Transcript of CFB With Ross Dellenger, NBA Trainer Chris Brickley In Studio, Celtics Banner Night, A Bounty For Dunking On Bronny, MNF & Fake Onside Rules + Guys On Chicks

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Congrats, Hank. You did it again. It's been a while since Hank's had a W. It's good to see your boy back up.

It's been almost three months since he's been able to congratulate himself for something. Hank is all dressed in his Celtic green. He's going to Banner Night tonight. That's why we're recording early.

He's dressed in his Celtic black right now. He's got the green sneakers. You look very slimming. I would say Hank is just the man in black, though. He's looking like Johnny Cash. Yeah.

Hank, we're recording this early so that you can go to Banner Night.

Fired up. Thank you guys for doing that. You're welcome. I was looking for that. I was looking for that. I appreciate it.

Hank's not drinking tonight at Banner Night.

He said he's not drinking at Banner Night.

Because he's back on that health tip.

I got a 6:00 AM flight back. The grind doesn't sleep. We got to be here tomorrow at 9:00.

You're going to drink at least five beers.

No, no, no.

It was great because Hank, he's trying to struggle with the idea that he's told us for the 100th time that he's going to stop drinking for an extended period of time and the fact that it's Banner Night. He said to us, I'm just trying to soak it all in. He's doing that. I want to be sober for this.

Well, if you want to phrase it- I don't want to be sober.

I just want to be a man of my word. I'm trying to have that champion mindset of if you say you're going to do something, do it. I think having a 6:00 AM flight helps. I also don't think I don't need to drink to enjoy the beautiful ceremony. I'm probably going to cry.

Counterpoint, why don't you just not go to sleep?

That's not going to work. That's never worked in the history of my life. Although one time, we went to Vegas last year for the Super Bowl, I did it.

If you want to put it in Miles But I had to play Blackjack for five hours. Miles Garrett would say that for the most part, over Hank's career here at Part of My Take, he's been pretty sober.

Yeah, for the most part. The all-nighter at the end of a bachelor party or traveling, I'll just not sleep is 0 for 100 lifetime in terms of good ideas. It sounds great in your head and you're like, Well, what's the point of sleeping for three hours when I could just rage for the rest of the night? And then you get to the airport and it's disastrous.

I think there is a chance, though, that Hank, he tries to stay sober because there's a chance he has to meet Coach Missoula, and he doesn't want to let him down. He doesn't want to disappoint him. Because have you seen the interviews that Missoula has been doing recently? He's locked in. He basically did the Kyle Shana hand like, We could all die tomorrow, so who really cares?

He's a football guy. He's a football guy coaching basketball.

Zero, no pressure. We're all going to be dead soon. It really doesn't matter. Yeah. Love that. You're either going to win or you're not. It's incredible. That's how that made me feel good about dunking. No pressure.

It sounds like he's threatening to kill his team. Yeah. He's like, We might be dead, so no pressure. We just have to go out there and execute, or I will.

Are you going to see Coach Missoula tonight?

I'll see him. I don't know if he's going to see me. Will he see you? I think he might.

Where are your seats?

Second row behind the Knicks bench.

Okay. Are you going to be razzing him?

No, I'll be like...

You got to do some razzing. You got to maybe Mikael Bridges be like, Hey, nice hitch in your shop, bro.

I might do a little hollering.

You should do a little bing bong on him. Do a bing bong.

Max, don't shake your head at me. Don't shake your fucking head at me. Jim Calhoun. Mikael Bridges has a hitch in his shot. It's fucking weird as shit.

Have you seen it? I have not seen Mikael Bridges.

Search it. It's very bizarre. Something happened to his shot, and he's got this... It's like a pause. It's actually great we're bringing this up.

It's such a bullshit he plays for the next because I hate the next, but I want to defend him.

Yeah, because Chris Brickley is on this show. If we had known he had a hitch in his shot, we would have asked him how to fix it. So Banner Night, congratulations. Watch this video and me. It's weird. Something mentally has happened.

Also, congrats to the Mavs. I have a banner out of their own. They raised a banner for the Western Conference Championship.

Okay. Also, congrats to us because we're going to bully the Mavs. And in 5-10 years, they'll probably send us that banner. That'll be great. Oh, yeah. It's weird. His shot is weird.

It's very strange.

Yeah.

Well, it's more I think Western conference. I think the conference is one thing. It was the finalist. Oh, yeah. It was the cult making it to the AFC Championship, but not winning.

Yeah, winning a Western conference.

If you win a- If you win a conference championship, you deserve some acknowledgement.

Yeah, this is the argument we had a couple of years or a year ago when Max said, You don't raise banners for that, and we found all the banners that they actually raised for that.

Yeah, but this shot is very strange. It's like he takes the ball over to the opposite side of his body and then just throws it across his body.

It's very strange. But Banner Night, and then we also... So we are recording this early. We think that Bronnie played tonight. So choose your own adventure. What a cool moment.

Yeah, good for LeBron. That's got to be awesome as a dad. Now, what do you think his stat line is going to be? I think two minutes, one turnover, 0 for 2, and a traveling violation.

Oh, a traveling violation. A double dribble would rock. That would be cool. If he just put both hands on the ball like a four-year-old, trying to dribble.

The coolest part is that Ken Griffy Jr. And Jr. Are going to be at the game.

That is cool. That's wild.

That is wild.

Extremely wild. That's out of breaking the wild meter right now.

That picture will be the most wild picture in history of wild.

They randomly picked that game, right?

No, I think there was a conversation that if they play together, they'll go. I know.

But is it bad that I'm rooting? I think we've stayed consistent with Bronnie. It's Very cool for LeBron as a dad, but it's also really weird because he's probably not an NBA player right now. He may become one, but right now, if his name wasn't Bronnie James Jr, he would not be in the NBA and be considered to get minutes tonight. Is it bad that I'm rooting for him to get in, have the picture up, and then have him just get yammed on?

That'd be funny. Lebron would make that video disappear forever from the internet.

What if Anthony Edwards dunks on both James at the same time? Dude, that would be awesome.

You think there's a bounty out there on dunking on Bronnie?

If there's one guy who would do it, it's Anthony Edwards.

I bet you there might be a bounty out there. I'm going to put a bounty out there. If you can dunk on Bronnie, then I will... Part of my cheese steak. No, you get an open spot on part of my take, and you can join the show as a guest to discuss the dunk, and I will send you a part of my cheese steak with all the fixes.

We'll come to your house and hang out. Yep. Yeah, that's actually a fair deal.

Bounty enacted.

What's the worst? It's going to be the most random player, then we're going to have to go to their house.

But I would still do an interview with that guy. Yeah, I would. Whoever. The question is just like, what was it like dunking on Bronnie in front of his dad?

I want to dunk on both.

I think Hank could.

Here it is. If you dunk on both them at the same time, we'll go on vacation with you. Yeah.

A place of your choosing.

Whoever this person may be, could be anyone, literally anyone who could do it. In a game, in an NBA game, dunking on both James. Okay, so that's our NBA. Do we want to do NBA just a quick? Who's going to win the title?

Nuggets.

Celtics.

Sixers. How do you not think of this? What? It's a good troll. I mean, I had to.

I will pick the Sixers.

Oh, copycat? Yeah. Were you about to say, How do you think the Celtics are going to win it again?

It's hard to repeat.

Yeah.

We're just making predictions. We can't...

You're on defense mode. Yeah.

If that is the time thing that went to your...

Yeah. Yeah.

Defending the title. Missoula would not... Missoula would want no one to pick the Celtics. Yeah. You actually... You're rat poison. Missoula is probably mad at you right now when he's listening to this. He doesn't want you picking the Celtics. You got to earn it again.

Yeah, but you expect I have a championship. You got to think you're going to be the champion so that you can become the champion. No, no.

Missoula's mentality is you haven't done shit yet. Turn the page.

Turn the goddamn page.

Yeah, but you got to carry yourself like a champion. Be what you want to be. Memes.

I'm going to say Nicks. Nicks' Sons final.

Okay, Sun. Suns. Suns.

Okay. Suns are back. They fixed everything.

That's a dangerous one. Yeah, we'll do a full NBA preview, what? February?

Yeah, probably. I'd say after the Super Bowl. Yeah.

I get I'll be excited to watch NBA basketball for tonight, and then I'll be like, All right, I'll see you after Christmas.

What we'll do is we'll interview Ryan Rusillo down at the Super Bowl in New Orleans. We'll be hammered, and then that will be our NBA preview.

That'll be our NBA preview. Okay, we should talk some Monday Night Football. We had a double header.

What?

Bullshit double header.

Bullshit double header because they did this. The second game on ESPN Plus. Hand up. I thought the Chargers would beat the Cardinals when I got everyone to take them 45 to 1.

Yeah, that's the first thing I thought about. Hand up. When actually the game got into being the game, and it was very, very clear that the Chargers are a super flawed football team. They are very flawed. They don't have anybody in the middle. No guys in the middle, offense or defense. And then they've got no wide receivers.

No wide receivers. I feel very bad for Justin Herbert. He was actually very good. He just has no one Harbaugh has built the entire team out of tight ends and running backs, and it's hard to be explosive. Also, I mean, the chargers low-key dominated that game. They had two... The fumble on the goal line was egregious. That was bad. That was egregious.

I stand by my take that that's a good rule. I like the fumble through the end zone, fumble, recovered in the end zone for a touchback.

Yeah. Then they had the big guy fumble. You got to go down after he got a pick, and then he just started bumbling down the field.

Got the ball punched out.

Got the ball punched out. Then the call at the end was bullshit, I thought, where they called unnecessary roughness.

I think it was the right call. It sucked. I don't know. No, don't get me wrong. The call sucked. I was not happy to see it. I think most people that are football fans see that play, and they're like, That play should not determine the outcome of the game. That sucks that the referees are involved at that point. But if you look at what the rule is, it's like a million % the right call.

This is It's going to sound dumb, and it's not the health in mind, but I feel like you should just... The guy should have to get knocked out for their be unnecessary roughness.

I know what you're saying. By the vibe, it didn't look that bad. It didn't look...

I know there was two angles. The first angle looked like absolutely nothing. The second angle, I saw the helmet-helmet, but that, to me, was just a play where it's like, you can't really do anything else. You're trying to break it up, and I don't know.

It's the case of the NFL having too many rules. So the defensive back was coming in as Marvin Harrison Jr. Was landing. And as he's landing, his head comes down into the path of where the defensive back is trying to hit him. He hits him with his helmet, makes contact with the face mask area. So it was definitely by the rule, the way the rule is written, it was the right call, but it still sucked. Yeah. And I thought I was feeling good about the charges, too, especially after Harbaugh's quotes from last week when he was talking about how he went in for his EKG and he had the whole heart testing thing. And they asked him about it, and he said, Yeah, the doctor was telling me, You've got the heart of an athlete. You've got incredible stamina. Actually, the doctor said, My heart got stronger from having that incredibly fast heartbeat. Twisted blue steel, he said. Harbaugh was feeling good about the fact. He views his heart rate going up to 250 beats per minute as just doing a really, really, really intense cardio workout.

2-0 in heart attack games. But I think that was a stupid thought to bet on the chargers to win the Super Bowl. I'm not going to give up I did have this one as a win. Also, it's very hard. Justin Herbert going for 350 yards and no offensive touch downs. That's really hard to do.

He has a dicker show.

That's really, really hard to do. To pass the ball for 350 yards, no turnovers, and have no touch downs? Mm-hmm.

Think about that. It's very, very... If you think about how long their drives were, they just stalled out around the red zone area.

They need to get a wide receiver. Calvin Ridley. Come on down.

I will say this, though. In that matchup, that was the perfect uniform matchup to be on ESPN Plus. Yes. If you have to pick one game to have on that channel and to only be on streaming, that's exactly what you would go for. It looked weird and futuristic. I was okay with it. Yeah.

And then in the other game, the Bucks season is officially over. So the Bucks had a night from hell. They lost to the Ravens. They were up. They were about to be up. Was it 17:07? I think it was 17:07. Baker throws that interception. Mike Evans gets hurt. Chris Goblin gets hurt with a minute left.

I know that- Down 10.

What? Down 10.

Down 10. People were like, Well, yeah, you got to play them. I don't know. The season is long. You have a short week. You're going up against Atlanta. I air on the side of just sit your guys and play to fight another day. We also had a weird Did you guys see this? It was a very weird disinformation campaign that was going on that the entire Internet somehow thought that you can only kick two onside kicks in the fourth quarter.

Yeah, we had a Google AI problem is what it was. Artificial intelligence fucked us over last night because at the end of the game, I think there were, what, 51 seconds left on that last drive? It was like a minute and 10. Minute, 10 seconds, and Godwin gets hurt. Then the immediate reaction is, why are the starters still in? I understand why Todd Bull still had his starters in. You're down 10, technically. It'd be weird if Baker just kneeled that out, right?

I think you just throw in the backups and you're like, We got short week for a big division game to a team we're fighting against. They're playing the Falcon on Sunday. They were fighting against it already beat us.

But the thing is, if Todd Bulls had knealed out, which is the same as putting your starters in or putting your backups in, right? If you just take a knee, everybody would be like, Todd Bulls quit on this game when you're down by 10 points. Technically, it's one of those weird gray areas. It's like 99.999% chance they weren't going to win. They would have to go down the entire field, get a countdown or a field goal, recover another onsides kick, and go down, get another countdown or a field goal with no timeouts. Agreed.

I think you can go either way on it, here's where you definitely have to say it's crazy. Baker stayed in until there was five seconds left still running the ball. Yeah. That was fucking nuts.

The very last play of the game. That's crazy. I was like, Baker better not get hurt on the scramble. That'd be insane. Actually, if you're going to point your finger at Todd Bowles, I think you would point your finger at the fact that he went for two when he was down 17. Correct. Yes. So if he had gone for one, he'd kick an extra point. He'd be down 16. He's down 16, and then that's two possessions. But you go for two and you make it Who cares? You go for... If you don't make it, then you are now in a three possession game. So it makes zero sense that Todd Bulls did that. That's the first domino that led to all this happening. So that's what you should point your finger on. But what happened was everybody was like, Well, Todd is an idiot for keeping his starters in because you're not allowed to do more than, what, two on-side kicks for a game? Because when you searched on Google for what the on-side kick rule was, that's what came up in the AI summary about it. Then you look at the actual rule book, and it absolutely says you can do as many onside kick as you want, but it has to be all in the fourth quarter, and you have to be behind.

You have to be trailing. So the patient X, patient Zero, what is that? Patient Zero, right? Yeah. Someone wrote an article after the Ravens Cowboys game that said you can only onside kick twice, and then it just became part of... Because remember, the Cowboys came all the way back in total garbage time?

If that's patient X, then I think the Wuhan laboratory for this was actually thought about as a proposal for the rule change. It was. Somebody wrote an article about that like, Hey, this might be a rule change that comes. And Google, when they scrape the internet, they find those two stories, and then that's why you get that screenshot. Now, there is a chance we can't rule out the fact that Todd Bulls might be getting his information about the NFL rules by googling and then looking at the first AI screenshot that comes up. Todd Bulls might have thought about that and forgot it.

Yes. It was just very funny because, thankfully, I was very tired, so I was in, half out. I was watching the other game, and I had both of them up, but I was just half paying attention to the end of the Bucks game because I definitely would have gotten got by the two on-side kick because there's nothing better than learning a new rule and then pretending like you knew that all along.

Yeah. I saw that rule, and my first thought was like, I had... Number one, I had no idea that was a rule. Same. Number two, why the fuck is that a rule? It makes Absolutely no sense. But the NFL, you could see them having that.

I was so close to tweeting, being like, All you idiots saying that Todd Bull should have kept his starters in. Learn the rules. I didn't. Because there is this satisfaction to be like, I know the rule, you don't.

Yeah, I know. Well, in that instance, you would have known the rule before Todd Bulls knew the rule because you read it online during the game. It was such a stupid rule that I gave pause because I was like, There's no way this is a real rule.

That's an insane rule.

I ended up reading the entire kickoff section of the rulebook That's it. I know all the weird shit about kickoff.

It was very weird. As for the box, I think they should fire Todd Bowles.

Okay. Well, Todd Bowles, you're talking about Mayo being a candidate for the Jim Coldwell. Is he alive or is he dead? Todd Bowles has been that for years. He's been dead on the sidelines for a long time. He is a blitz guy, right? Big-time blitz guy. I think he was relying a lot on the old Lamar rulebook, which was if you blitz Lamar, you can have success against him. Yes. That might have been a bad piece of information that got tied too closely to Lamar and not closely enough to Greg Roman. Yeah. Greg Roman sucked against the blitz. Yeah. I don't think Lamar sucked against the Blitz. No. Todd Munkin does not suck against the Blitz. No.

So I agree. Lamar has been incredible. I want to talk about the Ravens, but here's my thought for firing Todd Bowles. Their defense is bad. Chris Godwin is now out for the year. Mike Evans might be out for an extended period of time. Liam Cohn, their offensive coordinator, is seemingly a very good offensive coordinator because their offense has been lights out. If you want to keep him, you should make him that coach right now.

That's actually not a bad point.

Because Todd Bulls is what he is. He is what he is. There's nothing new that Todd Bulls is going to do where he's going to be like, Man, now we have a huge coaching advantage. Yeah.

He does have a chance to earn his coaching job back, though, if the Bucs surprise everybody and dealing with all the injuries that they are, they end up making some noise in that division.

Yeah, their defense is bad, though, right now. I know they've been banged up, but it's a tricky thing to do. But if If you don't think you're going to lose the locker room, you could make that switch this season and then be like, Liam Cohen, you now have the job going forward.

Maybe after the season's over.

Maybe, but I wouldn't let Liam Cohen out the door and keep Todd Bowles after the season is over.

Yeah, it all depends. If you think that Liam Cohen could be a good head coach at some point, then that's probably a move you should think about. Yeah.

The Ravens are an absolute juggernaut. I think they're actually getting closer to the territory of they could actually maybe beat the Chiefs.

Yeah, they've got it all. They've got all. Mark Andrew is catching touch downs every week now, and Derrick Henry is as fast as he's ever been, which is crazy because he said that he was slow as fuck this season. Then I think he had his fifth fastest run.

It was perfect timing, too, on the broadcast where they're like, Where's Eric Henry tonight? Then he ripped off a 70-yard run.

How pumped do you think Troy Akeman is for game day to be in Bloomington?

Oh, so pumped.

He should be the guest picker, right?

He should absolutely be the guest picker. Make that happen. Those are his Hoosiers. But yeah, the Ravens, Lamar is playing yet again at an MVP He's on MVP level. He might win MVP again.

I got him 18 to 1. There you go.

That's sick. I mean, he's just been awesome. The Ravens have been awesome, and it feels like as long as they stay healthy, which is always something you have to say for the Ravens, They are one of the best teams in the NFL, probably in the list of... It's probably Chiefs, Lion's, Ravens right now in terms of that upper echelon.

Yeah. No, the Ravens are awesome. Lamar is throwing the ball better than he ever has. Yeah, dot talk. Dot talk. There was dot talk going on. He's He's got a nice little touch on his ball. Yeah.

Lamar just has to win a Super Bowl, and then it's just solidified. He's a surefire Hall of Famer.

Yeah, I think he probably already is.

Yeah, because he's... Well, no, I think he has to win a Super Bowl.

To get to the Hall of Fame? I think so. I think he's going to win a Super Bowl. I don't know.

I don't think he's going to win a Super Bowl.

Got to win a Super Bowl. I don't know. The record of most touch downs without an interception on Monday Night Football is pretty big.

And he's also 23 and 1. 23 three and one, only lost to Daniel Jones.

He's in the NFC Hall of Fame.

Yeah, easily. He dominates the NFC. Okay, anything else? We did have Ed Reid on the Manning cast. That was weird.

Yeah, talking about concussions. I don't think Ed Reid was necessarily wrong when he was talking about boxers and strengthening their necks. Basically, what he said was, I don't know if the Guardian Cap is making a difference. Then he broke down how boxers strengthen up their neck muscles because you get the snap and the nerve hits in your neck. Then Payton and Eli were just staring at the TV like, Please, for the love of God, something happened. They were like, Oh, there's a breakdown.

Was he saying like, That's why boxers, the headgear is like fake protection?

Yeah, he was saying. That's true. He was saying that the Guardian Cap is fake protection.

The boxing thing is true where you think you have protection, so you're more likely to keep your hands down and take more hits to the head. But I don't know if that same thing applies to the Guardian Cap.

I don't have any research whatsoever on the Guardian Cap. We do have a fat head of the Guardian Cap that's up in the producers' booth right now, which is awesome. But the Guardian Cap, to me, seems like it was put in place to reduce the number of sub-concussive hits that you're taking during practice. So the small hits that don't actually give you concussion, they're trying to dull some of those. And then the argument could be made from a legal standpoint, if you're the NFLPA, why are you letting players protect themselves in practice but not in games? So then the NFL had to be like, Yeah, you can wear these ugly caps during games if you want, thereby putting it back on the players to accept or say, No, we're not going to wear this. So Tua, he said that he's not going to wear it when he comes back because he said, We all take risks. When we drive to work every day, we take a risk. I don't know if you're talking about Tyreek Hill or not in that situation. Or Athens, Georgia. Yeah, possibly. But it felt to me like Tua was just saying, They look stupid, so I'm not going to wear one.

Yeah, I don't. Even if it helps a 1%, even if it makes your wife feel like It's safer. I think you wear it.

It makes me feel safer when I watch Tua if he was wearing a Guardian Cap.

It's like when I wear a shirt to bed because if I ever had to get into a fight or a knife fight with an intruder, having a shirt on would help me. Not really, but it makes me feel that way.

Yeah.

By the way, I looked it up. Lamar is a 69.13 on the Hall of Fame monitor on pro football reference. If he keeps playing, he'll probably make it in. If he gets to the Super Bowl, he'd jump up big time.

I love that they have stats It's- Yeah, the average- They're quantified, and at the end of the day, they're relying on a bunch of fat old sports writers in a room talking to each other.

The average Hall of Fame monitor is 108 points, and Matt Ryan is 106, and Rothsberger is 100, and Philip Rivers is 98. I don't know if all three of them... I think Philip Rivers should get in, but I don't know.

To me, based on vibes, he's a Hall of Famer. Yeah.

But you do agree Lamar Jackson, even going to a Super Bowl would make it almost a slam dunk.

Yeah.

He probably would get it anyway because he'll probably keep winning MVPs.

I'm not saying if Lamar retired right now, he's in the Hall of Famer. But I'm saying the way that he's played-Oh, he's been incredible. If this keeps up anywhere close to what he's been, then yeah, he's the Hall of Famer.

If he wins another MVP, then he's even not going to a Super Bowl. He's going to be the Hall of Famer. So, yeah, two are not wearing that. What else? Oh, Hank, did you want to talk it all about Belichick basically?

Yeah, that was on my Hot Sea Cool Throne. Okay, we'll save it.

We'll save it. No, we'll save it. We'll save it. We'll save it for Hot Sea Cool Throne. We also had Jamie William's suspension. So two games.

That's a pretty light suspension, isn't it?

Yeah. What did he do?

P-e-s is what Schefter said, Performance Enhancing Substance.

I wonder what it was.

To me, that doesn't feel like it's... Isn't it usually four games if it's a drug, if you're on steroids?

Yeah. It was like a shake or something.

A shake?

Okay. It was Galaxy Gas.

What is that?

It's just whip that they just slapped a tag on. It's New Age Whippets, and they sell it, and they just said, Hey, it's Galaxy Gas. Now all the kids are like, Oh, this is awesome. It's like, Yeah, we used to just do it with whip cream.

Is that the Kanye thing?

I think it's worse than Whippets.Is it?Yeah.Look.

At what the packaging looks like. It looks like candy.Yeah.

That's right.We shouldn't bash it too much because it could end up being a sponsor.

Also, we've never tried it.

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I'm not ruling it out. I'm not ruling it out. Is it legal?

No. No, it is legal because it is technically meant for making whipped cream, but they just package it like this.

It makes it obvious that they're actually trying to sell it as Whippet.

Oh, man. Maybe it was on the Galaxy Gas. I don't know.

I thought it was very controversial because it's very appealing to children.

It's very bad for your brain. It is horrible. Yeah.

He might have been on Viagra. Yeah, could be. Ocho Cinco used to say he would take Viagra sometimes, and he knew a lot of NFL players that did it.

Yeah, maybe that's what it is. But either way, Jamieson Williams, I do think that he should appeal it and wait because they play on Thanksgiving, so just wait and do it the week before Thanksgiving, and then you only miss five days.

He said he's going to try to get back to the team and contribute ASAP as possible. As possible? No, what do you say? Asap soon as possible, which is great. It's great. That's It's a very fast return. It's a very fast return.

But yeah, appeal that and wait till... Then you only miss five days. Wouldn't that make the most sense? Yeah. I don't know who they play on Thanksgiving, though, so we'd have to check the schedule.

That's just bears.

Oh, that's weird. I didn't know that.

It does fit. That's the least amount of time.

I'm looking out for James and Williams.

If he's trying to get back ASAP as soon as possible, then that would be really five days ASAP as soon as possible.

He takes his suspension Sunday morning at 11:50 59. His suspension is over on Thursday at three o'clock.

Yeah. And you get to have Thanksgiving with your family. Right.

Just think about it. Okay. Should we talk a little college football? We have a lot more college football with Ross Dalinger. I wanted to start So Texas got their Welcome to the SEC moment, and it was tough for Texas. I saw a couple of funny things. One, Georgia's defensive line was incredible. They just bullied him all night. Even had Sark doing the panic, let's hit the arch button, which didn't do anything.

That was a weird arch button to hit. It was really weird. He was in for two drives, I think, and then they sent Ewers back out there once it was clear that Ewers was not the problem. But it felt to me like if you put Arch in, you got to stick with Arch. You've made a decision. That's got to be weird for yours going back in.

That picture of the two of them sitting on the sideline, both having the Manning face.

I don't think either one of them was happy with it. No. Because you had Arch going in, getting his ass kicked and struggling against a really good defense. He's like, Fuck, this sucks. Then you have yours on the sideline being like, Fuck, this sucks. I just lost my job. So you managed to alienate both of your quarterbacks at once.

Yeah, it felt like a panic move. I don't think Texas is completely out of it, but that definitely was a big boy test that they failed.

Yeah. I have a take about the bottle incident, about the fans throwing stuff. We talked to Ross about this a little bit later. I liked it. Duh. I liked it a lot because I root for chaos. I love watching weird chaotic shit on my television on Saturday when I watch college football. I want to see weird stuff happen and having the entire student section throw bottles. They didn't hit anybody. They weren't throwing at players. Nobody was in danger.

I'm sure someone got hit.

Maybe.

But it was- There's a bunch of people on the sidelines.

I don't think that they were targeting players with it. They were pissed off throwing bottles.

What about all the cheerleaders, media?

Yeah, maybe Bivo got hit with something. Good thing Uga didn't go.

I put my life on at least One person getting hit with a water bottle.

Good thing Uga didn't make the trip. They said he's bad on airplanes, so they didn't bring him. If Uga makes a road trip, I want the opposing fans to bring tennis balls to the game and then throw them down on the field next to Uga and watch them go nuts. But I liked it because it was fucking crazy and it was stupid. And the refs getting together, I don't know if they were bullied into changing their call. I don't know if one of them snuck a quick look up at the video board and saw, Hey, we really fucked this up. I don't know what happened, but the fact of the matter was there was a five-minute delay. The refs changed their mind about it, gave Texas the ball. And as a neutral party that doesn't root for either team, I did put money on Texas to win the Championship at the start of the year, but I'm not a Texas fan. I have no skin in that game. As a neutral party watching it, I was like, This is cool. College football is better when weird shit like this happens. Chaos. Then I saw all the talking heads later being like, This was an ugly scene.

This is bad for the sports. It's a black eye on Texas. It's a black eye on the SEC. No, when Tennessee They did it and they threw mustard bottles on the field, I was like, That's cool.

Yeah, you don't want to see it every game, but there is something about college football that it's the closest that we can get to European soccer culture.

Yeah. It's not like this is Brazil where you've got fans running on the field trying to murder the ref or stabbing each other. Don't get me wrong, you shouldn't do it. You shouldn't throw stuff on the field, but I liked it.

Matthew McConaher had to release it. It's not a notes app because it's not actually on the notes app, but it essentially is. He said, Longhorn Nation, and specifically our DKR student section, MOC McConahe, coming at you here. First off, you were electric Saturday night, but let's get real about the bottle bombing the field What is it? All right. But let's get real about the bottle bombing the field glitch we had. Not cool. Bogey move. Yeah, that call was BS, but we're better than that. Longhorn Nation knows how to show up, show out like no other, and still keep our class. Oh, he dropped the class on him.

Class? He can't do the class.

So going forward, let's clean that BS up and leave that behind us for good. We have to shake hands on that.

I don't like that from Kanye. I don't like that. I'm going to say more than anybody should know, he gets older. College kids stay the same age. They're always going to fuck around. This is what college kids do.

I like bogey move, though.

And bogey move is a good move. That's a good phrase.

I saw a very funny clip of a Texas fan who someone was was peering over him, and he was texting, and he was texting a friend during the game, and he happened to be seated in the Georgia's fan section. And his text is, I'm in the middle of the Georgia fans. Man, the barking is overwhelming. It's like, Welcome to the SEC, bro.

Yeah, you're getting barked at, man. Mississippi State comes to town. That's going to be a weird scene, too, with the Cowbells invading Austin. It was a big-time, Welcome to the SEC moment for Texas. Now, I think part of the punishment is Texas has to try to find the fans that through that shit and then get them kicked out of games and banned from the stadium forever. Boom. That's bad. Don't do that. How many feds were in the crowd inciting that riot? That's what I want to know. It's a good question. You know what- That one kid, you remember the kid with a big ass hair that was in the front row? That's a fed.

That was a fed. You know what they could do is just have the refs now fuck up calls.

Yeah. Think about that. It was a very bad call.

In terms of this season, which has been great, we have... So So we get the Army-Navy game in the conference championship. We talked to Ross about all the iterations of Army-Navy. They are now both obviously ranked, just rolling everyone. We have the first big test for Navy this week playing against Notre Dame. But some of the other stories, the UNLV-Boisy game on Friday night is going to be incredible. I'm very excited for that. And BYU, with their quarterback, BYJU, has been one of the best stories in college football this year, and they are now still undefeated, barely get by Oklahoma State, and seven and no. And it's just, I don't know. This season has been so much fun. Iowa State's really good in the Big 12, and we still have just massive, massive games coming up. Lsu and Texas A&M is Basically an elimination game.

They're both undefeated in the SEC, right?

They're both undefeated in the SEC. They both took non-conference losses week one. I don't know. I have enjoyed thoroughly this college football season, and I know that there have been people who said the regular season doesn't matter as much. I have not watched a single big-time game, whether that be Georgia, Texas, Georgia, Alabama, Oregon, Ohio State, any of these games, and thought to myself while watching it, Well, this is lame because we're going to see them play again.

The only shitty thing that could happen, and there should be a rule against this, is you should not be allowed in the 12-team playoff if you have three losses.

That might happen, though. Yeah.

But I think what they should- What happens if there's- What they should do if you have three losses and say, Alabama loses another game, then I feel like you need to take an undefeated team that's maybe in a group of five conference and put them in instead of a power four team with three losses. There's three strikes.

Yeah. I think it's obviously going to happen.

Because it would suck if a team with three losses gets in the playoffs and then they win the national championship. That would be bad.

It depends on the three losses, though. I don't know. If they win a national championship playing a road game and then three other playoff games, they're deserving it.

But I think it would give a lot of credence to people that are saying that the payoff diminishes the regular season. You couldn't argue with that person where you say, yes, you're 100% correct, it does diminish it.

Yeah, it diminishes a little bit, but I still would want to get the best national champion. If that team goes and rolls four games, it would be hard to argue against them.

If it's in 12, I think if it's three strikes, you're out. I don't want to see in that.

Yeah, there could definitely be a three-loss SEC team that gets into the playoff. Indiana also. It's an incredible story. They're seven and no. They absolutely steamrolled Nebraska. I was there at Bloomington on Saturday. It was so much fun. And they, Indiana, as long as their only loss is Ohio State, they should be in.

Yeah, they should be.

If they lose another one, they're probably going to be in a lot of trouble because of their strength of schedule. But run the table other than Ohio State, and you're probably in.

I like what Signetti is doing, too. And if you don't know much about Kurt Signetti, he's from-Google him. Yeah, Google him. Look him up. All he does is win. He's from the nick Saban coaching tree. So he coached at Alabama right when they were turning things around. He was down there with nick Saban. He operates, moves, looks sometimes a lot like nick Saban. He's always pissed off. He was screaming at his players in the fourth quarter because they were only up by 40 points. So he is a very intense football coach. He gets results. He's doing it. His team is like the group of five All-stars right now. A bunch of transfers that were awesome at smaller schools. And he just brought them in. He's like, Okay, we're going to make Indiana football good because I know that you guys have proven that you can play. Curtis Rourke, Maction legend. Maction legend, Ohio, right? Bobcat? Yeah. And I think he's got- He hurt his thumb. He's got like 12 guys from JMU. His thumb, he's probably not going to be playing next week, right?

He's not playing this week against Washington at home, but their backup is actually not bad. Fuck. Wait, I got it somewhere. Oh, he's Trace Jackson-Davis's brother. Kind of fun wrinkle. Isn't that wild? Trace Jackson-Davis, I. U legend in basketball. He's probably not going to play this week. I would think they need him back for Michigan State because that's not the easiest game. That's not a rollover game. Michigan State, their quarterback has looked pretty good.

And that's the one that you have to win.

You have to win that game. Yeah, because there are other games. I mean, their schedule has been soft, but guess what? Don't apologize. If you are a- They're blowing people out. Yeah. If you're an Indiana Hoosier fan, don't let anyone make you feel bad for kicking the shit out of bad teams.

Do you think there's anybody at Alabama that's like, We should have hired Sig?

Oh, that's a good question.

I think there are. I think they're losing their patience with De Boer.

Yeah, they might be. Yeah, Michigan State is playing Michigan this week. And Michigan State, they have three losses, but two of them were to Ohio State and Oregon, which everyone would probably lose to those teams. Okay. Anything else with college football? I'm excited for that Friday night game. Boise, UNLV, They could play again, though, too. So we might get a double for that. But Army Navy, I want Navy to... I want one of them to finish the season undefeated. It would be great. It would be so much fun. So much fun. Okay, Let's do Hot Seed Cool Throne, Hank. Yeah.

You ready?

I'm ready.

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My hot seat is Drod Mayo.

Oh, what? Yes.

He came out, he called the Patriot soft, so they were playing soft. And then Bill Belichick on his appearance with McAfee when asked about it. Said, It's a lot of the same players from last year. I'm hurt for those guys because to call them soft, they are not soft. They were the best team in the league last year against the run. I feel bad for the defensive players on that one. This is bad. There's got to be a lot of dissension in the locker room, and it's tough.

Pelatech's got to be loving this.

There's some videos now the Patriots, like Twitter accounts and diehard, whatever, Stan accounts are finding videos from the preseason when they said it's going to be a looser locker room. There's players riding bikes around the locker room. There was mini-hoops set up, and it's just a bad-Mini-hoops? It's a bad look.

You guys got turned into a basketball team. Wow. It's a bad look.

And Belichick is also- Belichick is loving it.

He's loving it.

He went on Tom Brady's podcast. It said the exact same thing.

I just saw that clip. Is it the same clip? I was going to play it.

He literally was like, We were number one against the run last year.

Yeah, they were 4-13.

I know. He's such a great stat. But he's right. If you had to pick what is the statistic to point to just to prove that you're not soft, it's running the football and stopping the run.

That's got to be an extra level of hell for Patriots fans, too, to hear Tom braided and Belichick talking about their current team.

I was shocked that he went on Tom Brady's podcast. I guess it's fully...

They've never said there was beef.

I mean, Hank, there was beef.

There was a million % beef in Tom Brady's last couple of seasons.

I think they probably realized, Hey, this is all craft.

No. I think they had a very good marriage that got to an where it was like, We've been doing this for 20 years together. The little things bother you from the other person, and that's the breakup.

So I don't think it was- But maybe it's like, Now that we're not together- Yeah, no.

You realize we're good. Right. I don't think it was- And their kids, they got six Super Bowl kids.

They're like, Oh, yeah, our kids are great.

Yeah, I don't think it was ever one thing that one person did the other that was like, I cannot believe you did this. It was just years and years of little things that annoyed them, that they had to break up, and now they're fine together. Yeah. There was beef.

Beef is an over... Like, beef, I don't think is the correct term for it.

No, it was definitely beef.

There was 100% beef.

I think the beef might have been more one-sided. Tom braided, definitely at the end, was like, I'm sick of getting cussed out by Belichick every day and him treating me like I'm a rookie. Belichick was like, This is just what I've been doing my entire life. Yeah.

Right. And the trainer stuff. But I don't think it was Belichick and braided. I guess there was a little bit of beef.

There was some beef. Come on. It's okay to say there was some beef.

There's no beef anymore.

There's beef still between Kraft and Belichick, for sure.

But they took a shot together.

That's true. I mean, this has to feel like the greatest feeling to watch the guy, the team, the guy who took your job, the team that fired you, and then them falling off a cliff and just being like, Look, number one against the run. But it is funny, they were 4-13.

There was reports or an article that was written where everyone in the organization last year knew that Mayo next up because he was missing meetings with the team because he was meeting with Kraft. That's definitely... Belichick is loving this.

Did Belichick go on Tom Brady's show Live from the Corn Maze? Did you see that report? No. I think it was the New York Post and the The headline was like, Bill Belichick Visits Corn Maze with his 24-year-old Girlfriend That Was Built in his honor.Oh.

He's crushing Instagram.

They made a Bill Belichick-themed Corn Maze that he took his girlfriend to on a date, which rocks.

Hell, yes. Yeah, he's loving life. I I don't think he wants to coach. I don't think he wants that record.

For sure. But he's enjoying the off time.

He was also enjoying just talking about Ed Reid last night.

Yeah. Ed Reid is his favorite player ever.

That man loves Ed Reid. Ed Reid is his favorite player. I'd love to coach you one day, Ed.

Okay.

Then my cool throne, Jalen Brown, Joe Mizzula. Or I guess my other hot seat was Unnamed Sources. Jalen Brown, because you remember Steven A. Last year had a report about unnamed sources saying people don't like Jalen Brown. He's basically said all this stuff that was lies, and he said it was an unnamed source. That's why Jalen Brown at the parade wore the state your source shirt. He went on Steven A. 'S podcast and Basically, he just was like, I think it's bullshit. The unnamed source thing is bullshit. It's cowardish. And Steven A. Was the unnamed source. But Jalen Brown just basically went on his podcast and said how much of a coward move it is for the unnamed source to do that to Steven A. 'S face.

You would never put things out on this podcast with an unnamed source. That's the difference between you and Stephen A. No.

No, he has. I never would. The walls have.

The walls. Yeah. The walls have. The walls has a name.

But he is not.

Yeah. I can't control the walls. You're right.

These walls talk.

I would never report that and say it was an unnamed source. Correct. I did not report that. Ryan Whitney reported it, and the walls reported it.

Yeah, the walls told Ryan Whitney.

Yeah. Thank God, because nothing's happened, and it looks like he's coming back. Yeah.

Everyone blamed Ryan Whitney. When he probably doesn't even remember that this even happened.

Is he coming back?

He might- He's gearing up, which they also said he was gearing up before they reported he had double Achilles tendonitis or whatever.

So who knows? The walls might be right. But if they're not, I will not feel bad about it because I didn't say anything.

And they have a name.

If Christian McAfree comes back in the Niners, don't lose another game, he should win MVP because they're so broken. Basically, it's memes hitting the Fire the Coach button, Hassan Redik button, Devante Adams. Christian McHavri has to be all the buttons.

Did you see what happened, Debo? So Debo is in the hospital right now. He has pneumonia. So he's got fluid in his lungs. That's why he didn't play last week. He tried to play, and they're like, he's getting an unspecified illness. Everybody was like, oh, Debo soft, Debo soft. He had fucking pneumonia, and he's currently hospitalized. It's crazy. So I hope he's okay. But yeah, the 49ers are missing every single weapon.

It's bad. Memes, by the way, are good My friend Tom Freneli had a very funny tweet. You want me to tell it to you? You can maybe call him Tom Florio. Yeah, let me hear it. He said, The Jets are just a Randall Cobb trade away from being good. That's pretty good, huh?

Tom hates the Jets.

Are you thinking about- Isn't he a free agent? I think he's retired. But yeah, it was a joke about how basically the Jets every single week are like, This will fix everything. It's a bad tweet. They could just sign Randall Cobb. Me Memes just keep going around the office saying 12:05. 12:05? That they're going to win every other game. Yeah, but now that the chargers lost 11:06.

What? 11:06 gets you in? Yeah, 11:06.

Wait, I don't know if your mic is on, Max.

Is it? Memes is already doing the playoff machine where he's like, The Chargers having another loss means that we can go 11 and 6 and make the playoffs. Yeah.

He just keeps walking. So it's 11 and 6 or is it 12 and 5? Now it's 11 and 6. What do you say to this, Max?

I mean, I just want you to get shot and put out of your misery. It's every week. He just comes in and he's like, They're going to win every game. And then it's just absolute devastation. He truly thinks that the Jets will win every game the rest of the year.

I love looking at the booth now. You guys are just... We need to put up maybe... I wouldn't mind maybe the Pink Floyd ass poster because you guys really are like a 13-year-old's bedroom. Yeah, let's get that picture. Maybe the two girls kissing.

Ninja Turnts Pizza.

Boondocks Saints. No, we're 13. We're starting to feel some things. Yeah, we should just slowly start taking down the sports stuff and putting up Chicks. The Booth has hit puberty.

The Balushi College picture? Yeah.

Well, that'll be a little bit later.

Yeah. Bob Marley at some point. Bob Marley? No, that's never in a college storm. Never. Never. Remember? Remember the Mount Rushmore? Oh, right.

We had one where it I think about... Do you ever have a moment where you just think about your 21-year-old self or 18-year-old self and just like, Man, I was a douchebag. But we had one in our apartment that was... It was just a chic spread eagle crawling out of the ocean and her just her ass.

Yeah, that's good stuff.

She was hot.

That's good stuff. You had the Pink Floyd picture. It put the whole room together. My roommate had the Pink Floyd album cover ass picture, and he didn't ever listen to Pink Floyd. Yeah. He couldn't name a single song. He's just like, It's Asses. It's Asses.

That plays. What were you saying, Hank? That was it?

Yeah. Jalen Brown is maybe the smartest person alive. Oh, wow. He's very intelligent, very well-spoken. It's a great interview.

Do you have a cool throw?

My cool throw was Missoula, but we talked about that. And just me dunking because of the quote Missoula had. When he was asked about repeating, he said, Zero. There's no pressure. We're all going to be dead soon, and it really doesn't matter. So that made me feel a lot better. Just about everything.

Maybe when Missoula comes to Chicago to play the Bulls, he chokes you out, and we get one of those stories. You ever hear those? Everyone knows it's usually not real, but Like, oh, a friend of a friend. They were drowning for a minute, and then they came to and they spoke fluent Spanish, like shit like that. Maybe that will happen to you. He chokes you out. You lose consciousness, then you can dunk.

I'm down. More of your blood is going your leg muscles at that point.

Who is the guy? Max, we met a guy at Tahoe. Remember that guy who had a cane? He was like, I got in a car accident. And afterwards, I was in a coma for like 30 days and I came out speaking Spanish. Do you remember that guy? I do. Yeah.

Those stories are always crazy. I read one about a guy that had a stroke, and then he could play the piano perfectly. Yeah. And he never played an instrument before.

That, I think, is what we have to do. He's got to choke you out and hope that you can just dunk after.

But isn't him saying we could all be dead tomorrow? Doesn't But it doesn't make it more likely that you're going to be able to dunk. It makes it easier for you to accept not dunking. Yeah. There's zero pressure. So either way, mentally, you're in a better spot.

Yeah, there's zero pressure. Okay.

What about the money aspect, though?

Zero pressure.

Money's not real?

No.

Money's not real. Nothing's real.

If you die tomorrow, who cares if you have money or don't have money?

That's pretty fucking deep.

Do you think that when we die, people will still listen to the show like old episodes? Yeah.

You think the age, you can go back? I hope so. Maybe they'll get better when an artist dies and their paintings are worth so much more.

I think about that every now and then. When I die, hopefully many, many years from now, my kids will be able to just pull me up all the time.

At that point-It's a weird feeling. We'll be able to use AI and get Daddy's take on what just happened in the bears game. Yeah.

I don't know. It's a weird thought. Hot seat, cool throw on PFT.

My hot seat is NHL merch because the NHL has just announced a partnership with Fanatics and Lululemon combined to sell NHL stuff. I was thinking when I saw this, this would be a real shame if they had the same issue that the MLB pants had with Fanatics, if Lululemon had that. It would be a real shame, and we should not hope for that. I agree. Then My Cool Throne is number one, bots on Twitter.

What, you don't want it?

It'd be a real shame. It would be a shame. It'd be a real shame if Lululemon had the Major League Baseball pants issue. Nobody wants to see that, right?

No.

Be gross. Asses. For the love of God, please no.

Get it, Hank? I do. Yeah. I thought, yeah. My pants are the most comfortable. Some of the most comfortable sweat pants out there.

Besides Roback.

Yeah. Roback is number one.

My Cool Throne is bots on Twitter because they're fucking everywhere. It's crazy.

Fucking everywhere. Yeah. They're fucking everywhere.

You have like multiple- Yeah, they're everywhere, fucking. You have so many different types of bot accounts, and they all are reply guys, and they all come up within the first half second of any major account that tweets something. You got the Porn bots, the OnlyFans bots. Then you have the gambling bots. Then you've got the bots that have a Pakistani flag as one of their emojis, and they all reply immediately, and they're getting better.

Yeah, the bots that just repeat your tweet back to you.

Yeah, they paraphrase, but they're getting better. It's crazy how fast they're able to do it now.

Do you guys block them? I just block them. I don't have the time. I don't think it helps. I don't think it helps at all. But if I see there's three tweets from the same Some account underneath, I just block it. But I don't think it helps at all.

But it's way worse than it's ever been, right? There's a theory. It's called the dead internet theory. Have you heard about that? No. It's a theory that starting in 2016 or so, most of the internet became populated by bots. Scripts. Got it. Half of everything that you see is not written by a person. It's written by a software program. I don't think it's that much, but on Twitter, excuse me, x. Com, the everything app, it's all happening on X. It feels like it's at a level that I've never seen before. I don't block them because I want to know what the bots are up to.

Yeah, I block them. I don't think it does anything.

I want to keep an eye on them. Yeah, because there's one button that they press and boom, million new bots. Yeah.

All right. My hot seat is Jersey Jerry, our friend Jersey Jerry. This came from Nicki G, listener. He tweeted this at me. He thinks he found Jerry's Reddit account. So the little Wednesday reading real quick, if I can. This is from 1400 Totem Poll. They wrote, I'm not gay, but I want to live in a log cabin with Russell Wilson. We won't ever have sex, but there will be a simmering erotic undercurrent as I stand in the kitchen window watching him tighten his ass as he chops wood, shirtless, sweat pouring off his body. I'll run upstairs and masturbate the entire time, forcing myself to think of women while my thoughts drift back to Russell. I won't be able to climax, and eventually I'll go back downstairs angry. Sometimes we will look across the table and catch each other's eyes, and in that second, anything is possible. But we both deny ourselves and go back to what we were doing. One day, one of us will die, and the other will bury him outside the log cabin. Then he'll go inside, pen a brief missive to his parted friend, and commit suicide, never able to deal with life without his one true platonic love.

This is that episode of The Last of Us. It's crazy. With nick Offerman. If you've ever seen that, this is The Last of Us. This is what they're doing right now. That might be Jersey Jerry. Yeah.

So thanks to Nikki G for pointing this out to me. It's Jersey Jerry. I'm not going to tweet about it until the show comes out, but it is... That was when I saw it yesterday and I bookmarked it and I was like, I'll bring this up. And then we have to be like, Jerry, what's going on, dude?

Yeah, I mean, It does. The only thing is the writing style doesn't necessarily match it.

It's actually put together nicely.

I don't think that Jersey Jerry knows the word erotic.

I don't think he knows how to write.

Yeah. It's all speech to text with Jersey Jerry.

Fun fact about Jersey Jerry, he doesn't have a computer.

How?

He doesn't have a computer.

I feel like that might be a trend, though. I was like-We're all given computers. No, he doesn't have one though. I'm saying there's probably more younger people that don't have computers.

He's not young.

I know.

And he also just doesn't because he came up-He is. Yeah, he is a little bit. He's like 28? Yeah, 29. I said something to him like, Have you ever blogged? He's like, I don't have a computer. So maybe he just did it on his phone. My cool throw, and I have two. One is the Las Vegas Raiders because they fixed their quarterback room, Aiden O'Neill's hurt, and Desmond Ritter is now a Las Vegas Rader.

Okay, good. So that will solve everything. What was their plan going into the season. That's still mystifying. Prey. It's like Garner Minchou, maybe.

Yeah, prey. Then my other cool thrown is Minnesota Sports because they recreated the old Randy Moss KG picture with Anthony Edwards and Justin Jefferson. I know Minnesota sports are sad state, don't win things. But they might have the coolest collection of athletes in the last 20 years compared to anyone else. Yeah.

And also did Anthony Edwards say that he wanted to play in the NFL after a couple more seasons in the NBA? Sure. Yeah.

Yeah. Think about it, though. They had KG, they had Randy Moss, they have Anthony Edwards, they have Justin Jefferson, they had Joe Mauer.

Yeah. Very cool.

The coolest athlete.

He's awesome. He's rad.

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Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. He covers college football for Yahoo. It is Ross You can also hear him on the College Football Enquire. Great podcast with Dan Wessel and Pat Forty. Ross, first of all, thank you for joining us. You're going to help us navigate this crazy college football season. I want to start, though. You were in Austin on Saturday night for Texas, Georgia. Have you, in all your years of covering college football, seen a scene like that where water bottles throwing on the field weirdly maybe helped a call get overturned for the Texas Longhorns, even though they fell short and got absolutely killed by Georgia?

Never, never. In 20-ish years or so of covering college football, and honestly, high school football and pro football, I've never seen that. I've never seen a call announced to a crowd, and then the ball be marked, and then there be some pause in play, and then the call is It's reversed. Usually, you see the officials confer before an announcement and before marking the ball, and then to overturn a call. You don't see it announced, marked, and then overturned. So That was the first for me in a while. Then it just added, or ever. Then it just added a lot of drama with the stuff being thrown in the field and the fact that there was a five-minute pause, probably in the game, to clean up the water and beer bottles and everything else that was thrown out there. And during that pause, basically, the officials, that's when they conferred. So the suggestion is if bottles aren't thrown in the field and they don't have that pause, they don't confer. Georgia snaps the ball and keeps possession instead of Texas getting possession. It was wild. And you can imagine, I was on the field after the game in the Georgia.

Administrators were down there, the Georgia President and the Georgia athletic director. And let me tell you, they were not to happy. Greg Sankey was down in the field, too, and the Georgia President had a conversation with him. I can imagine what was said, but they weren't happy.

Yeah, it was a crazy moment. Maybe Greg Abbott changes his mind about student protests. It feels like that benefited him this time. When it happened, my understanding of the process was that the officials got together and the official that threw the flag said, Hey, my bad. I've had a couple of minutes to think about it, and I think I told you that the wrong guy committed the penalty. It was actually on the offense why it threw the flag. Then that was the explanation for why it was overturned. Is that what they're going with?

That's right. Yeah, the SEC released a statement basically saying the official who called the foul acknowledged that he erred in his judgment, and he meant to call, and Kirby Spark told us this afterward, too. He meant to call offensive pass interference, basically on the Georgia player, not defensive. And if you watch the replay of the play, you can see that just the way the guys were positioned, like the players, the offensive player was actually more in a role, like trailing the play. You would normally see a DB trail the play. So I do wonder if the official actually did get confused there and called the wrong player, called the wrong foul, and then thought about it while the trash was being thrown in the field. And then conferred and changed the call. Either way, it's probably not... Kirby Smart said this after the game. Probably not great precedent to say that you can announce a call, mark it, and then, Oh, by the way, I just had a few minutes to think about it while trash was being thrown on the field.

If you cry enough, they'll change their mind. Yeah, I like that. Yeah. So the official, you're saying that he saw it as a defensive back was actually the wide receiver and then called it that way. To me, I think everybody that watched it. And ultimately, you know what? It's one of those situations where maybe ball don't lie because they got the call right. They ended up making the correct call on the play, and then Georgia just ended up beating the shit out of Texas from that point on. So it's like this could be a lot worse if it had been a call that actually just straight up impacted the result of the game. But yeah, it basically just says... And I know that Texas is trying to track down what students threw shit onto the field, right? I don't know if they're going to use surveillance cameras or whatever. It's just a whole mess, and it was done probably in a bad way. But at the end of the day, I think it ended up working out as good as it could for the sport.

Yeah. Well, think about this, guys. If they had stuck to the original call, right, Then there would always be that thing hanging over the outcome and the result of the game. Certainly, it would have been a pretty big… There's that point. The other point is, what if Texas used that play to score a countdown, which they did, and springboard them into a win? There's a lot of different ways this could have been… This could have had a lot more magnitude, I think. But instead, it went how you thought it might go.

Yeah, it was a footnote. So I wanted to talk about from that game, you were there. What was the vibe when you're talking to Texas people? Because not to do knee-jerk reactions, but this was Texas in their first big boy SEC game, and they got absolutely manhandled. That was an insane performance by George's defensive line, and it felt like, Oh, we asked for this. We wanted to go to the SEC. This isn't us pushing around Baylor and Texas Tech anymore. Like, these are big boys. Did you catch that vibe, or was it like, Hey, we're close. We just had an off night?

There was a little bit of that vibe. For me, guys, I actually go back 14 years ago. At the time, I was a beat covering the University of Missouri. In their first year in the SEC, 2012, they hosted Georgia in their first ever SEC game. And going into that week, a Missouri player calling out the old-school type of SEC and how they played back then, certainly, said that Georgia played old man football. I don't know if you guys remember that. Then after the game, Georgia absolutely whipped them in the same way that Georgia beat Texas, controlling the line of scrimage, dominating on defense, harassing the quarterback. After that Missouri game in 2012, a Georgia player said, No, we don't play old man football. We're playing grown man football. That's what this felt like, actually. It's like, Texas, welcome to the SEC. We play grown man football. It was amazing, Georgia's defensive front, and what they did against a Texas offensive line that really was supposed to be one of the best it is and the most experienced in the country. It was just they harassed them, harassed the quarterback all game. I think they had seven sacs.

I think they had three sac fumbles. It was a dominating performance by Georgia. And then afterward, Kirby Smart talked a lot, as coaches do, about all the doubt going into the game that Georgia could handle and stay with Texas. And he talked about the doubters and see, I showed you. This was a, I showed you game. This was a, Welcome to the SEC game. This is how we play.

' Yeah. Texas's main fault was just not wearing Alabama's uniforms because that's the only team that could beat Georgia. That's it.

Yeah. They just beat everyone else. They should never play Alabama again. They can somehow get away with never playing Alabama again, Georgia. They'll be fine.

They'd never lose a game. So speaking of Alabama, your bread and butter starting out was SEC. What do you think the vibe is like in Alabama right now, knowing that it's not that they have lost to Vanderbilt and Tennessee, which are bad. Saban would never lose to Vanderbilt. But it's also you could see Alabama, and they don't have the toughness, discipline that a nick Saban team has always had, and that's got to be driving people insane, I would imagine.

Is Tuscaloosa still standing? Or have they burn it down yet? I can't imagine what it's like there right now. In the building, outside of the building, I just Sunday, church on Sunday in Tuscaloosa or anywhere in Alabama, I'm sure this was a talking point, the tide losing two of their first seven, which hadn't happened since Saban's first year, 2007. And you're right, you nailed one of the issues. They are undisciplined. And we've seen through 17 years, we saw pretty disciplined teams from nick Saban. They are just undisciplined. We saw 15 penalties, I think Alabama had. I think they are in the bottom 10 in the FBS in total penalty yardage in games. And these are silly penalties. They're like post-snap and pre-snap penalties. Penalties, frustration, emotional type penalties. And it's the little things. These teams are separated by so small. Their talent is so close, especially with Alabama and Tennessee, and the Georgia's, and the Texas. It's It's these little things, and sometimes a penalty or a group of penalties can be the difference in a game. It's been shocking to see how they played in... This is a storyline, certainly from here on out, is nick Saban, their former coach, and maybe the best of all time, is square in the middle of college football still every morning on Saturday.

His former team, at least, is losing as bad as they have since he had originally taken over. I'm fascinated to see how nick Saban, nationally on ESPN, is going to approach this.

Yeah. Well, I mean, you said it's the first time it's happened since nick Saban's first year as well. Now, obviously, DeBore took over a much, much, much better program than Saban inherited at the time. But there's going to be growing pains. I actually think the SEC right now where it stands, we're in for a very fun couple of weeks here because there's a little bit of chaos. We don't know what's going to happen. And with the 12-team playoff, it feels like there's any number of five different combinations of ways that this could shake out. So from where we're sitting today, it's October 21st. Where is this going to play out? Who's going to win the SEC? And then what other SEC teams do you think are going to be in the 12-team playoff?

Yeah. We could be locked at four or five teams at the top, all tied with one, two losses. You look and there could easily be three or four teams that finish 10 and 2 in the league. And how do you separate these teams? Some of them didn't play each other because the conference has gotten so big. In all the conferences, that's one of the issues with this consolidation of conferences and the consolidation of big brands and the growth of conferences is that you got rid of the divisions. So everybody's lumped in together, and there's 16 or 18 teams in these conferences, and some of them don't play each other. So you got all these tie-breakers, including down to the fifth, sixth, seventh tie-breaker, down to flipping a coin to see who goes to the Championship game. We could really be in, not just in the SEC, but in for some seriously weird ties and tie breakers. But to get back to your question, I think we all probably saw the best team in the SEC on Saturday night, and it's Georgia. It's a healthy Georgia. As long as they can avoid Alabama. It's a healthy Georgia.

They were missing a lot of defensive players against Alabama. They were missing a lot of defensive players. And in a lot of these games against Kentucky, they got pretty much everybody back against Texas, and it showed, and that's what they are. So to me, Georgia is probably the best team in the league. From there, I think there's a grouping of a lot of teams all jumbled together. Obviously, A&M right now is at the top of the league, undefeated in the conference. And so is LSU. They each have a non-conference loss. And so they're right there. To me, it's after Georgia, it's Tennessee, It's A&M, and it's probably LSU. And then you have Texas as well. So I think there's a big four or five grouping right there. And out of that group, somebody has got to get to the Championship game to potentially face Georgia. And I don't really know who that is. If you look at the schedules, A&M and LSU play each other this weekend. So that's going to tell us some things. Texas and Texas A&M finish the year playing each other. Tennessee still has to play Georgia, I believe. So at the end of this thing, if you look at it, we might see Texas and Georgia playing again.

Yeah. All right. So in terms of big picture, we have a stance on this podcast. We love the 12-team playoff. Are you a fan of the 12-team playoff? We were just saying before you hopped on, UNLV, Boise State is a game on Friday night that has major, major implications that wouldn't in years past with the four-team playoff. What do you think, though, in terms of for the sport and for any naysayers who are like, We don't like the 12-team playoff?

Well, I always go back to the percentages of teams in a certain sport that can advance to their postseason. So you look at the NCA basketball tournament and a lot of other NCA sports, volleyball, softball. And around 10 to 20 % of a sports participants can get in into the postseason. And college football for so many years was three %, which is incredibly low, just too low. Look at pro sports. They have over 20 %, some of their... You can probably go too high. But 3% is certainly too low. So right now, they're at 9 or 10% with the 12-team playoff, which I think some would probably say is too low, which is why we're probably almost certainly bound eventually for a 16-team playoff. Everything sets up for this thing to keep expanding. 14 teams, 16 teams, it's going to keep expanding. But I love it. I love the 12 team. I actually like the format a lot, too. I know that's been a big debate right now, and there's a couple of real powerful conferences that want to see the format changed in the Big Ten and SEC. They want to see a change there.

They want to see multiple automatic qualifiers. But I love the format as it is now, where basically each Powerful conference, their champion gets an AQ, And then, as you mentioned, the best group of five team gets an AQ. And basically serves in a way as that 16-seed in the NBA basketball tournament, playing the one-seat thing. They'll almost always be a 12-seed. Although you never know. We could have this year, guys, what if we have a Big 12 team lose two or three games and win the Big 12 Championship and finish in the rankings behind a Boise or a UNLV? Well, Boise or UNLV is going to end up getting the four seed because the top four seeds only go to conference champions, and they get a buy. Actually, you could have that happen. It would be pretty unusual, but you could. But I love it. I love the format. I love how they They have seven at larges that are still for those programs that didn't win their conference. But I really like the format as is. I wish that they would let the format play out before changing it. But everybody's in a rush these days, and there's not a lot of patience.

Wait, so when we met at the Combine last year, you explained to me what they were proposing for a format change. So what would be the '16 team playoff? And also, how does it tie in? You do some great reporting. This Big Ten SEC, they're doing the meeting of the families in Nashville and stuff and just trying to box everyone. What's happening in all of that, if you can explain it?

Yeah, there's a lot going on. I'll start with the playoff format, and it ties in to the Big Ten SEC meetings. Big Ten SEC, ADs, athletic directors, met about two weeks ago in Nashville. It was a joint meeting, historic, unprecedented type of meeting between 34 athletic directors gathered in a room, and they talked about three things. One of them was the future of the college football playoff format. Another one was a future scheduling partnership between the two programs, like a regular season scheduling type of agreement. And the number three was, of course, this house settlement, this antitrust house settlement that will usher in revenue sharing, athlete revenue sharing coming next year. Those are the three big topics. So they do tie into the playoff format. So this past spring, when all the 10 FBS commissioners got together in Notre Dame's athletic director, those 11 people sit on a board that controls the college football playoff. When they all got together to start talking about a new CFP, there was an agreement that was made that basically the SEC and Big Ten have most of the control. They basically ceded control to the SEC and Big Ten on revenue distribution, who gets the money, in the future format of a playoff starting in 2026 and beyond, because for the next two years, we'll have the current format, the 12 team, 5AQ, 7 at large.

But they ceded control of a lot of this to the SEC and Big Ten. And you probably ask, why in the heck? With the Big 12, the ACC and the group of five conferences ced control to the SEC and Big Ten. It's because the SEC and Big Ten said, We want the power or we're leaving, and we're leaving you behind. And that's what happened. And I've got administrators that have been on the record about that. I had a story back in April diving deep into what happened, the ultimatum that the SEC and Big Ten gave them. So nobody wanted to see that. They see the control. So the bottom line is the SEC and Big Ten, in conjunction with their TV partner, ESPN, have control of the future format of the playoff. And they'll start talking probably in the spring, maybe January, about what the playoff will look like starting in 2026 and beyond. Now, there are some guarantees, guys, that they made. So there's a guarantee that each Power Four conference champion will get in, and a group of five champions will get in. And there's a guarantee for Notre Dame because they're an independent.

If they finish inside a certain ranking, a top 12, a top 14, then they get in at large birth. So keeping in mind those guarantees, everything else is on the table, where the games are played, how many playoff teams there are, and what they really want, and what they've pushed, especially in the Big Ten guys, is that they want multiple automatic qualifiers per conference. So the Big Ten would like four automatic qualifiers in the playoff. The proposal is the SEC would have four as well. The ACC and Big 12 might have two each. Those are just talked about, nothing agreed to. But that's what the talk is. They're trying to eliminate the selection committee and the subjectivity around that. So that is the talking point right now. Nothing agreed to, but that's what the Big Ten specifically wants.

It's interesting because looking forward in four years in the future of college football, you have no idea how many of these conferences are going to exist as we know them right now, right? Because realignment is still happening. So what is the big picture? What is the end goal that the power conferences are fighting towards Where do they see college football being in five years?

Yeah. I mean, some of them don't know where college football will be in five months, right? It changes so regular. Every day, it's changing. I think something everybody needs to understand is that the house settlement, which not to get in the weeds there, just know that the house settlement will allow schools to pay millions of dollars directly to athletes. And to stay competitive, you're going to have to pay millions of dollars to athletes. And there are schools that aren't going to be able to do that. So there's going to be more and more separation, right? Specifically between probably the top 30 or 40 schools and everybody else, and certainly the top 70 and the power four in the G5. The gaps will continue to grow. And in 2031, when pretty much every conference, a lot of the conferences, TV deals come open, which the TV deals, of course, lock schools in place. But when they come open, Everybody's a free agent. So in 2031, when a lot of that happens, you're going to have more conference movement and more realignment. And there's a suggestion that the gaps will grow so big because of all the revenue sharing coming and all the schools that can't keep up, that there will be a small segment, not 130, maybe not even 70, maybe 40 or 50 that separate off and do their own thing.

You guys have seen probably a A lot of my reporting and others about this Super League type of things that are being shared with administrators, that a lot of them have private equity back behind them, and they basically would separate a smaller group of programs into a Premier League in Europe, and it would be more of a professionalized model. That's the way a lot of folks see this going. Now, whether that's just the SEC and Big Ten splitting off and doing it or the SEC and Big Ten splitting off and taking some other programs, or the Power Four, there's going to be some more formal separation on the way.

What about relegation? Have they talked about that? Because that would rock.

Yeah, it would. The proposal, there's a group, I had a story about this a couple of weeks ago, right before the SEC and Big Ten meeting, it's called Project Rudy. It's a type of Super League proposal. They don't call it a Super League. Most would. It takes the four Power Leagues in all those 70 schools. It keeps everybody in their conference. But they only play one another. So they play conference schedules, and then all their non-conference are against one another, not against G5, not against FCS schools. And then they have a redone playoff, and then they consolidate everybody into a TV, one TV package, which would bring in more money, and they have relegation. So they had tiers. They have four tiers, and you're put in these tiers based on how you performed the previous year. They do have a relegation where you can move up and move down. A lot of folks like the idea. It has a lot of support, but it has more support from people not in the Big Ten in DC.

Because if you're not at the top- Because they are in an advantage position. If you feel like you could possibly lose out on being in the Big Ten, why would you ever sign off on that deal?

Yeah. Exactly. I hope it just gets to a point, and this is my hope, that probably will never happen, is that we just end up back at square one where you have the Big Ten now. There's a Big Ten West division in the NFL, and it's Oregon, USA, Washington, UCLA. So you bring back the regional divisions. Then you play it almost like an NFL schedule where it's like you play everyone in your little division, winner of your division goes to the playoff and play it out that way. That's probably never going to happen, but it feels like it would be funny if we, like streaming, how streaming took place of cable, and now we're back at the spot where we're just buying streaming bundles and we're buying cable again. We're just going to get back to regional conferences through divisions.

Yeah, I think that we could see Certainly for basketball and the Olympic sports, they're already talking about that. How can we regionalize competition? Because it makes no sense for a volleyball team to fly across the country or a softball team to fly across the country. Folks are starting starting to realize that there's already talk at the NCA level of trying to more regionalize Olympic sports. But maybe you're right. Maybe it happens even in football at some point in these conferences, break down and separate into a geographic type of regions. I think a lot of that, again, will probably get settled in the early to mid-2030s, where you have all the TV deals come open, and schools are free agents. But this revenue share is going to everything. And it is going to, for once and for all, probably lead to some formal break away and separation between the programs that make a lot of the money, right? Like I think the stats are the top. There's 18 programs that drive 60% of the college football viewership, 18. Of those, I think there's six programs that drive 60% of that 60%, right? Those programs are, and along with a few others, are going to separate just based alone on the fact that they can pay now.

They can pay players directly and legally. And so we're going to have to get to a separation. And once that really happens, then you probably will have what you're talking about, where everybody starts having a little more sense on geography and travel. Yeah.

All right. So back to this season, because it's It's been a great college football season. We've screwed this up a few times. Explain to us how we can get both Army and Navy into the college football playoff.

Into the playoff? That would be hard. That would be difficult. It's amazing, though, that this is happening this season, where Army and Navy are both at the same time, undefeated for the first time since World War II, I think. It's amazing that that's happening right now in the first year of the expanded playoff in about six months after the CFP made a crucial decision concerning, specifically, Army and Navy. So back in April, the CFP got together. We all know Army and Navy play the week after the conference Championship Games, the week after the CFP selections are made. So back in April, CFP had a big meeting, try to decide on what to do. What if Army and Navy are somehow in their wildest dreams, they finish undefeated, and they still haven't played each and we have to make selections. Well, they got together in April and they decided we're going to basically not count the Army-Navy game. So we're going to make our selections right after the conference Championship Games. We're going to make the selection of who the best G5 team is and give them the AQ. And if it's Army or Navy, we give it to Army or Navy, and they'll just play the next week.

And that game really won't count because the decision is already made. If that all happens, in the first year. That's crazy. It'll be incredibly fascinating. It'll be fascinating. Now, Army and Navy can meet in the conference championship game. They can meet in the American athletic. They don't play, obviously, in the regular season. They play in the second week of December. But they can meet in the conference championship game. If they both finish undefeated, they will meet in the conference championship game. So the CFP will pick the winner if they are ranked ahead, right, of Boise, UNLV, some of the other G5, those are the main two. Boise and UNLV are probably in the G5 race. I'm guessing Boise and UNLV will be the teams that will threaten the winner if they are unde, Army and Navy, at that American Athletic Conference Championship to get the G5. But yeah, it would be wild, guys, that Army and Navy could play in the American Conference Championship game. A day later, the CFP will pick the winner, potentially, to get the G5 AQ in the payoff. And then six days later, they play again in the official Army-Navy game, actually here in DC.

Yeah, that will be crazy.

Yeah, so there's a chance that Navy could win the Conference Championship. They get into the payoff, and then Army beats Navy at the Army-Navy game.

Bingo. Yeah. Wouldn't that be That would be amazing.

If you're rooting for ultimate chaos, you need it to be like, Navy beats Army in a controversial ending in the conference Championship game, then gets in, and then Army wipes the floor with Navy in the Army-Navy.

Yeah, that's right.

That's right. Absolutely. Because we saw that it's not really a loophole, but the way the rules are written, there is a possibility for a group of five school to get one of the top four seeds if it shakes out like the Big 12 doesn't have a great champion. We want to see Army hosting a game in the playoff at West Point. How cool would that be?

Yeah, that would be amazing if that does happen. West Point would be probably snowing, 20 degrees or something. It would be pretty awesome. In fact, I don't know about you guys, but the on-campus, first-round college football playoff games, I don't know that I've ever been more excited for anything related to college football than those games. I'm super pumped. They play the third week of December, December 20th and 21st, those games are. And there's a Friday night game on campus. And then there's three on that Saturday. I'm actually going to try to get to the one on Friday night and then the one on Saturday night, trying to cover back to back because I'm super pumped at on campus, college football playoff games where college football should be played on campus in stadiums.

It's going to be awesome. Let's talk about the Big Ten real quick. Indiana, undefeated. The haters will say they haven't played anybody. Are the haters right?

Well, if you look at it, Indiana's best win probably is at home against two loss, Nebraska. Now, Nebraska could in the season 10 and 2 or 9 and 3, they could. But I think that there is an argument to be made that Indiana basically hasn't played a top 35, 40 team in the country. Now, that will change pretty soon. In a few weeks, they'll get Ohio State. But if you look at their schedule, guys, they might not play a team that finish is ranked in the top 25 except for Ohio State. So that would be trouble for them if they drop any other game. As far as getting in at large bid into the CFP, that would be trouble for Indiana. If they are 10 and 2, and they have a strength of schedule, I don't remember what their strength of schedule is right now, but it's not really high. And so they really need to go 11 and 1, probably, to get a CFP at large. So there is an argument to be made that they haven't played a very tough schedule. I was just looking at their schedule strength. I found it finally.

This is from Jeff Sagerin's rankings. They're 114th in their strength of schedule. So that's an issue. It is. But they're beating the crap out of these teams. They're scoring a crap load of points, and they're beating them really badly. So you got to think of that as well.

Yeah. In Bloomington, we were there. We did our show from Bloomington on Saturday, and they all went into the game. So they're pumped about Indiana. Indiana has a great tailgate history. Sometimes they wouldn't go into the game. They're fired up, and it's a fun, fun story. All right. Other big picture things for this season. So I've heard you guys talk about this on your podcast, but the flattening out of college football with the NIL transfer portal. It's great. It's great because it feels like anyone could beat anyone at this point. It's not just watching a sport where there are two or three teams that can conceivably win and no one else. Do you think this is going to continue the flattening out, and this is going to be a college football going forward where there's more parity, and it's a better sport when there's more parody?

For sure, yeah. It's way more excitement when it's more parody, when you have underdogs able to pull some things and win sometimes. I do think that while NIL and the transfer portal has grown the gaps between the Power Four and the Group of Five, because it definitely has, the data is there, it has. But I think it's made tighter the top 30 or 40 programs in the country because the talent from a transfer portal perspective is getting spread out. In NIL is now paying players is legal. So now you don't have just It's a small, maybe group paying players. Everybody's paying players. So it does flatten out the talent. And I think in the top 30 or 40, you're seeing that. You're seeing more parity up there. And I think you'll continue to see that. Now, when we get into revenue share, in a lot of ways, it's probably going to continue to more flatten thing out and drive parity. Because now everybody will have a budget of expected to be annually in a low 20 millions of what they can distribute to their athletes every year, these schools. And you're going to see probably, I'm going to guess 40, 45 power conference teams of the 70, about 45, go all the way and be able to distribute the full amount to their athletes.

And so it'll even more so you would think even things. Now, that said, there still is outside NIO money that will be generated, especially in the big programs when you have big brands and big names like Ohio State and Jeremiah Smith at a receiver. He's going to generate outside NIL income. It's not going to probably come from the school. It's going to come from actual real brands. So you're going to still have some of that. But the revenue share in the portal, all of this has, guys, it's brought the schools like Alabama Alabama and Texas A&M closer. You guys remember a couple of years ago, the public spat between nick Saban and Jimbo Fisher. Well, if you want to know why, that's why. It's brought the two closer because Texas A&M can now pay and is now paying, and the transfer portal allows immediate eligibility. So players that set the bench at Alabama now want to play, so they're going somewhere to play. So it has brought those closer together. What it has done, though, is further separate the Alabama's in the Louisiana Techs. Those two are more separated. But the Alibamas in Texas A&Ms, the Alabama's in Ole Misses are closer.

If you're a five-star quarterback, junior year high school, and let's say it's the year 2032, and you're number one recruit in the entire country. What school is going to be able to pay you the most money directly? Then what is your expected actual income going to be just from the college?

Okay, so this is 2032?

Yeah, let's say using today as dollars, though, because you just said the $20 million figure. What is a five-star quarterback going to be worth at a premier institution?

There will be incremental automatic increases in how much schools can share with athletes every year, annually, up until this settlement is complete, which is 2035. So by the time 2032 rolls around, if schools are allowed to pay 22 million next year to all their athletes every year, by the time 2032 gets here, it's estimated that it'll be around 30 million. So let's say each school has a budget of 30 million to spend on all their athletes, and probably 20 million, maybe 22 million of that will be football. You got a budget of around $22 million just for football in the year that you're talking about. If you're a big quarterback and you're highly rated and quarterback is the most sought-after position, I'm guessing you're going to sign a deal with the school that's going to annually pay you close to 5 to 10% of that 22 million of your roster. You're looking at 2 to 3 million dollars, I would imagine. That's what I would think is going to happen. I mean, you have some of that today, not as much. You'll have more of it when schools are going to be able to pay players directly.

Now, you asked what school can pay you more. Well, they all They'll have the same budget, but you've got the bigger brand schools that, especially located in the bigger markets, they're going to be able to generate outside NIL that don't count against that cap. The money doesn't count against the budget. It's outside money. The Ohio States, the Texas, all of the programs that are in big markets and that are big brands are going to have the advantage.

Yeah.

Okay, real quick, I want to do hot seat rankings. So 1-10, I'm If I were to say a coach, you tell me how hot their seat is, 10 being the hottest. Billy Napier would be a 10. He's basically fired, although good win against Kentucky. But 10 for Billy Napier, going off that. Sam Pitman.

Seven.

Seven. Okay, what about Lincoln-Reilly?

Well, the problem with Lincoln-Reilly is his buyout is Jimbo Fisher type money. It's like 70 to 80 million. If you factor in buyout, it's pretty low. I would think it's less than five. But if the buyout wasn't there, obviously, he'd be right there with Billy Napier. But the buyout has to lower the number. Yeah.

Brent Venables.

They just gave him a new contract over the summer. It was all- Which is crazy.typical college football. It's typical. I think the excuse or the reasoning was going into the SEC, we had to get his salary comparable to all the other SEC coaches' salaries. So they added a couple of years to the contract. They gave him big raise. I'm guessing a five because of that. It's only year three. I'm guessing more like a four or five.

Okay, I love that. They're like, We need him to coach better, so we're going to pay him a better coach. And then hopefully, he'll live up to that money that he's getting.

What about Mike Norvell?

Well, another huge buyout after a year of going undefeated in the regular season and winning a championship. Pretty low. Three.

Okay. What about James Franklin after he loses the Badgers on Saturday night? That's going to be big, That's a big game, man.

That's a big game before a big game, too. I plan on covering the Penn State hosting Ohio State game in two weeks, but the Nittany Lions will have to get through Wisconsin. They are playing really well.

Yeah.

So what would that be? I do not think James Franklin's on the hot seat. Okay.

All right. I'm just saying, hey, let's just throw it out there. I'm just throwing out names.

That's going to be a fun game for just running the damn ball. Yeah, just so much running the damn ball.

It is. You're missing one other name down in Baylor. Dave Durand is probably up there with Billy named Billy.

All right, last one, Calin DeBore.

Oh, well, again, the buy, I think he signed a contract where whatever 90% is guaranteed. So you're talking about like an $80 to $90 million buy-out. I don't think that's happening, and I don't think that's happening after year one. You know what would happen in places like Alabama, in Ohio State, considering Ryan Day and the streak against Michigan. These coaches aren't going to get fired. They're going to turn the middle finger at the schools and say, I'm tired of dealing with this. Tired of dealing with this fan base. I win all these games, right? And you're still up my, you know what? And they just go to the NFL, go to another job. We've seen it happen before. We've seen it happen before. Lincoln Raleigh to USA, Brian Kelly to LSU. More so that they get fired, they leave on their own because of the situation.

Yeah. Oh, Hugh Fries feels like that's not going well. No, it's not. By the way, it's not Hugh Fries' fault. If you listen to Hugh Fries, none of this is his fault.

Hugh needed to, I think we all realize now, probably, and I'm sure Hugh does, he really needed to get a quarterback out of the portal. I think at the start of the year, guys, this season, 60% of Power Conference teams started a transfer quarterback. It's just the way it is. And if you don't get the market, if you got an average or below average quarterback, you got to hit the market and get a quarterback. And you got to be able to pay for a quarterback. Some of these quarterbacks are 600,000, 800,000, 1.2 million. They're a lot. But they're being Miami, Texas A&M, Notre Dame. These programs that you see at the top of college football have transfer quarterbacks that they're paying a lot of money to. Where would Miami be without Kim work? Right. I mean, not 7-0.

No, definitely not. Their defense is so bad.

Yeah, it's been fantastic. They're never out of any game. All right, specifically about the Florida opening. That, to me, seems like that could be a really interesting one. Obviously, Billy Napier is still the coach there, but presuming that he's not the coach there at the end of the season. Who do you see? Who are the Gators going to be circling?

Well, I think certainly there's a lot of buzz around Lane Kiffin always at Ole Miss. You hear Lane's name a lot. You hear Eli Drinkwitz's name quite a bit at Missouri, too. It's those coaches that are at maybe a mid-tier to lower-tier power conference program that have done really well and that have familiarity, probably with the SEC. I would guess that those are two toward the top of the list, if I'm guessing. Yeah.

Then on the Heisman front, we think that Travis Hunter is the best college football player in America.

It has nothing to do with the fact that we have 40 to 1 tickets.

Nothing to do with that.

We're completely unbiased. Do Don't you have a Heisman vote?

I do.

You agree then that Travis Hunter is the best. If we're talking about just the best football player, right?

Absolutely, yeah.

Good point. Good point, Ross.

We didn't even bring it up. Nobody's done what he's done on both sides of the ball that we've seen in 30 years. It's remarkable. Now, I tell you what, Ashton Genti, the boys of the Running Back, is going to have a little bit of something to say. He's just tearing up at an incredible level. You know who else is going to have something to say? The guy we just talked about at Miami. Cam Morda.

Is Ashton Genti? That's the guy who plays it like 1:00 in the morning, right?

Yeah. They use a kickover at 11:00 PM.

Listen, the voters are long asleep.

He's the guy that couldn't beat Oregon.

Yeah, he couldn't beat Oregon.

Yeah, I remember that guy.

People are so mad at us. He came off the close. People are so mad at us because we bring up Travis Hunter on every podcast, but we've been very, very clear that it is... We did this last year. Jaden Daniels, we basically bet on him halfway through the season, and then we just pumped him up for the entire season. I don't think we have that type of influence, but every little bit helps.

You're rigging it. You guys are rigging the system.

At the very least, I think it would be cool to see one of those two first players. Seeing it not go to a quarterback, I think, is always going to be good.

Travis Hunter deserves it.

Yeah. He's a Heisman trophy candidate at two different positions. Yeah.

All you have to do is win one Heisman. We'll settle for one Heisman.

I say all the time that Colorado has the three best players in the country. They have one of the best quarterbacks in the country. They have one of the best cornerbacks in the country, and they have one of the best receivers in the country. One player responsible for two of those.

Yeah, he's two of the three best players in the entire nation. That's a good point to put it.

All right, last question, Ross. This has been so much fun. We really appreciate it. Everyone do check out Ross's writing on Yahoo. He's going to Navy tomorrow to do a story on them, so that's going to be great. I'm excited to read that. Rowback question, rohoback. Com, promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, rowback. Com, promo code take. My last question, I was going to do the lame thing of saying, Oh, who's going to be in the national title game and who's going to win? But let me do something a little less lame. Our good friend, coworker, Brandon Walker. You're a Mississippi State guy, right?

I am a Mississippi State grad.

What does Mississippi State think of Brandon Walker?

I have no idea. How am I supposed know that? I don't know. I don't know. I wish I could tell you. I don't think I've had a whole lot of conversations with folks at Mississippi State about Brandon Walker, but I'm sure they love the publicity, the Cowbell. The Cowbell loves a little national publicity for sure.

Okay, so next time you're back in Starkville, maybe just do a little straw poll and let us know. A recon? Yeah.

Okay.

I'll do a little recon. I want his Q rating. I want his Q rating. I think it's pretty high because Mississippi State is not a flashy school, and he reps them very, very hard, and He's a good friend of ours, but I would like to know his Q rating.

Okay. I'll see if I can get that done for you.

What do you personally think of Brandon Walker?

Well, I don't know Brandon that well. I think I've only met him a couple of times. I'll tell you this, he's entertaining.

Yeah, he's got hot takes. He does college football right in the fact that there's... College football is essentially, especially online, is just a hornet's nest, and he just walks over every Saturday and he just kicks the hornet nest, and he's just like, Look what I didn't.

That's right.

Well, then a day later. He runs away.

Yeah, he gets upset like a day later. He's like, Why is everybody being so mean to me on the worldwide web?

Oh, man. All right, well, Ross, thank you so much, man. We really appreciate it. We'll definitely have you back on. This is fun.

Yeah, you all. Good being on.

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Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. He is a basketball trainer to some of the best players in the NBA. It is Chris Brickely. Chris, thank you for coming in, first of all. Second, I think the first question that everyone's going to wonder is, dude, your basketball trainer and your last name is Brickely. Yes. It's got to be a problem, right? Yes. Let's just get that out of the way right now.

No, for sure. I see it on social media all the time. Unfortunately, I couldn't control my last name, but no, that's definitely a joke on social.

Yeah, I mean, it's like... Have you thought about changing your name to Swishley or something?

That's actually a good idea. No, I haven't, but maybe I should.

You could just Cashley.

Cashley would be good. That's good, too. But you know, Brickley is a rough last name for sure.

It's very funny.

Who's got the sweetest, most pure shot that you've ever seen?

Man, I would have to go with probably Clay Thompson. Really? It's a pretty good shot. Kevin Durant has a very good shot. Just all different. When Melo was in his prime, I feel like he was a really good shooter. Yeah, I've worked with a bunch of guys. I've been blessed. Yeah.

So your backstory is you played for Rick Pitino at Louisville, friend of ours, former foe, now friend. Legend. So he came in here. Yeah, legend. So at what point did you realize that... I assume when you're playing basketball growing up, you're going to Louisville, you're like, I could go pro. For sure. What point was that like, Okay, maybe I'm not pro. Let's think about the next thing. Yes.

That That was definitely the goal. I get there, I'm going to walk on. So you're not playing many minutes. I saw Coach Bettino's lifestyle. He would drive a Lexus. He had a Rolex. He lived a great life. I'm like, damn, my God, I want to do that. So the My goal was to be a coach at first. I was at Ole Miss for a year. I was the youngest division one assistant coach at Fairly Dickinson. Then I was with the Knicks. I was with the Knicks for four seasons. Melo took me under his wings. I want you to be my trainer. That was when I was an intern. It was crazy for the franchise player to pick an intern to be his trainer. It all happened because first game of the year, Melo misses the game winner. Everyone's like, Don't talk to him. No one talks to him after situations like this. Everyone left the locker room, and I just went up to him, and I just told him how I felt. Went to the office the next day, and he's like, I want him to be my trainer.

Wait, what did you say to him?

No, I was like, Don't worry about it. It was a good shot. Yeah. I was like-You weren't like, you got to tuck your elbow in a little bit more or something? No, definitely not. I was like, It was a good miss. It was a good shot. If it happened again, you would shoot the same shot. He liked that. Kenny Atkinson, who, I don't know, he's been a head coach with a few teams. That was his assigned guy. And then, yeah, I became his trainer. And for four years, I traveled the world with him year-round, and I met all these guys. And so when I left the Knicks, that set me up to start a business.

How do you know when to make a correction in the shot? Everybody has off-nights, right? For sure. So you can't micromanage that and be like, he misses, I don't know, 10 shots one night. No, you're right. Hey, just so you know, you're doing this with your wrist. You have to wait, right? You have to wait until there's a body of evidence where it's like, we need to fix this. So when is that?

I think if a player just in their workouts just aren't making shots, if you look at their fail percentage and they're shooting like 20 %, then you have to make a change. But you don't want guys overthinking it. Most NBA guys, they don't need to make too many changes, but there's some guys that need to make changes. Alonso Ball is a guy that made a giant change in his shot a few years ago. So we'll see how that goes this year.

How do you know when it's mental as opposed to physical?

That's a great question. That's a great question. So mental. It's actually, you'd be surprised. Some of the biggest superstars that have ever played have given me text midseason. I lost it. I don't got it anymore. I'm like, Bro, you're bugging. You're so and so. You haven't lost it. It's just up here. Yeah, it's definitely a big mental game.

Yeah. Melo takes you under his wing, and then you start training him. When did you open your gym? I have a question about your gym that I hope This is not offensive, but I do have a question about your gym. But when did you open it?

When I first started training with Melo, 10th anniversary with Jordan, they built him his own Jordan gym. It's called Terminal 23. I don't know if you remember that. I ran that. It was successful. And then I moved to Lifetime. I ran that. The Wall Street Journal came out with an article saying, One summer of my workouts, it raised the Lifetime Membership Inquiry, 40% across the country.Wow.So then we got reached out to by a company, a real estate company, and they said, We want you to design a gym. You can live in the building. And yeah, that's your gym. And so that's where I live.

That's a dream. So is that gym only for NBA players or can other guys, are random guys playing?

If you live in the building, you can use it. But I have first dibs on when I want to use it.

That's incredible. Are people in the building, could they come down and just watch?

They do. When LeBron is working out, there will That's incredible. Guys on the treadmill running for two hours. Yeah, the best. The question about the gym, and again, I hope this isn't offensive, but I have a theory that the rims are a little bit bigger at your gym because everyone makes everything. No one misses, right?

This started with Hoodie Melo. When he was in the offseason, it was just like Melo literally doesn't miss. Now, you could probably tell me, and this is a real question, this is just how these guys are wired, that if they're not being defended, they're just never going to miss.

For sure. You're an average NBA player. They're not missing much. But obviously, I'm not going to put their misses. I'm not going to put a string of misses. Every now and then, if you watch them in the videos, I'll do a string out. They might make 17 out of 20, so they might miss some shots. But no, the joke is that no one's I've never missed in the gym.

Yeah, it feels like the best gym ever. When you got a guy, can you explain to people? Because this was my argument when we had the whole NFL-MBA player debate. I was like, Listen, I understand that NFL players are incredible athletes. I'm not that they can't do great things. I just don't think people understand that an NBA player, when they're in an open gym, they will just not miss. The worst guy on the bet, a big guy at the end of the bench can still shoot 50, 60% from three with no one in his face.

Yes, for sure. I mean, guys that people just don't... Ben Simmons will go in the gym and he'll make eight out of 10 threes with no one on them. It is what it is. An NBA player, you are very, very good. People don't understand that now it changes when defense is on you and stuff like that.

We have to talk about Ben Simmons as well because he's your guy.

Obviously, people-I'm glad we brought that up because I was going to say something about Ben Simmons. Now I know he's your guy. I will change my question.

Well, it was just this is, I don't know, the fourth or fifth year where we're going into the season being like, Ben Simmons looked the best he's ever looked. Is that actually real that he looks the best he ever looked? Because we've been told that a lot.

I just started working with him. I worked with Jimmy for a few years. I was my guy. He moved over to Jimmy's agent. Jimmy's agent was like, You should try working with Ben. We just started working together last year. We worked during his injury. He came back from his injury. He had a triple double his first game. Last play of the game, pinned his shot, broke his hand, was out for the season. I think the work has been working. He just has to stay healthy.

If Ben Simmons has an incredible rejuvenation year, it will be huge for you.

Yeah, it will be.

Are you watching these games? Obviously, you're not rooting for a team. You're rooting for a guy. Are you watching these games being like, I'm living and dying with every Ben Simmons play?

For sure. I actually hate watching the games, the guys I work with closely, because it's like, especially if I'm at a game, I've built a platform where some of the fans know I work with. So I'll be there in the games. And if a guy I'm working with doesn't play good, I have a guy behind me like, Yo, like, Brickly, what the fuck? Sorry, I don't know if you just swear. You can swear, yeah. Fuck, shit. Fuck. Literally. So especially in Nicks games. But Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah.

So you're going to be rooting for Ben. You're going to be watching him closely this year. Some of the things I've heard about Ben, that might be a mental thing that you're working with, too. I don't know exactly what you're talking with him about, but is there a way that you simulate pressure for your guys when they're shooting?

Yeah. I think with Ben, he was an All-Star three years in a row, All-MBA three years in a row without having a great shot. I think he can impact the game so many ways. Whether through passing, through playing D, through pushing in transition, that some guys, you just don't need to be a shooter. You could still be... So Ben Simmons just needs to be healthy, period. If he's healthy, he's going to have a great season. It's that simple.

I'm still a believer in Ben Ben Simmons as crazy as it sounds. He's young.

He's still young. He is full of energy. His body, he was injured. Right now, he's at 100%.

Yeah. I've said for the last couple of years that Ben Simmons would be one of the best players in the NBA if there was no basket. If it was like a core, he's got everything else. And if you can get his shot going.

Do you remember his All-Star years, his rookie? Yeah. He was fun to watch. Magic Johnson vibe.

Yeah, I was buying all the stock because he's a game changer. He He can guard anyone, and very few people can guard him.

I remember a few years ago, probably like 20 years ago, actually, I think it was Rick Berry that was talking about Shaq in his foul shot and said he could get Shaq to shoot 80% from the line if he would do the granny shot, if he would go underhand. But players don't want to do that. I think it's just a branding issue. You got to rename it. I was calling it the Pimp Grip for a while just because it sounds cooler. Is there something about the granny shot that gives it a little bit better touch if you're not a great shooter?

A player from Louisville, I think, did that last year, two years ago. With that, that's interesting. I've never recommended that.

What do you think the reaction would be if you recommended it?

Probably wouldn't. I might get some backlash. I already get some with Brickley being my last name. But no, I'll think about that.

The other one, I don't know if you've seen, but I think it's in South Korea. They're all shooting it off the backboard.Yes.

I see.On free throws. I've seen that.It's crazy.No, it is. The free is definitely mental. That's something you could find a great shooter. And even in workouts, when we're in the gym, they'll start missing free throws. I'm like, You just made 85 out of 100 threes, and why are you shooting 6 out of 10 from the free throw? It's just a mental thing.

Yeah. So how many free throws have you made in a row, personally?

Me, personally? It's funny. I won the New Hampshire. I grew up in New Hampshire. This free throw shooting contest, when I was little, I made, I don't know, 50 something in a row. Got a trophy. It was cool at the time. Yeah.

Back to Louisville, and you're on Louisville with Patino as a coach. We've heard about his legendary workouts. What's the hardest one that he would make? Because that's what I always loved about Patino teams. They'd always feel like they never ran out of gas. Yes. Their stamina was better than everyone else. For sure. What was that like, the practices? I was miserable.

To be honest, my years at Louisville, I was miserable. I woke up every morning pissed because I wasn't playing, but I was still having to do these ridiculous He has these ridiculously hard workouts. So in practice, he has this thing, if you turn the ball over, you go on the treadmill, or if you mess up, you go on the treadmill. So we were number one in the country. So I'm in the second unit. So I'm playing against the number one press in the country. So I'm going to turn the ball over. Turn the ball over. He says, go to the treadmill. So then I got to a point where I was like, I'm sick. You're turning the ball over too much, Chris. When you turn the ball over, you're going to run outside and you're going to hold the sign up, a Papa John sign, in, say, hiring. I'm looking for a job. And he tried to do that to humiliate me so I wouldn't turn the ball over. So, yeah, that was some very interesting Coach Patino moments. But it took me, I had to be removed three or four years to be like, Wow, he actually taught me a lot.

Yeah. Did you stop turning the ball over after you had to do the hiring?

No, we were the number one team in the country. I was going to turn it over regardless, for sure.

When he put on that white suit, did you know that he meant business? I did.

That was a serious Rick. I did. That was a dope night. That was white. All the fans were wearing white. I think it was against Marquette. I want to say maybe Jimmy Butler was on that Marquette team. That was a dope night.

Yeah. We're on the precipice of the season, and you're training. I know you do in-season training, but a lot of this stuff happens in the summer. The one thing I always love about the NBA is the best guys. It feels like they find one thing that they get way better at in the summer. Can you tell us one or two guys that you've trained that you're like, Watch out for this part of his game? Yeah.

Paulo Bancaro for the Magic. He's coming off of his first All-Star season. His shot, I feel like he's going to be a very good shooter this year. I think that'll change everything for him. I think that'll make him one of the best players in the league for sure. That's one. Number two, Let's think of a player that's changed. I don't know. I can't believe it's this mind boggling to me that LeBron James is 39, still dunking and still still playing like he's 29. I think he's going to have a great season. He's coming off being MVP in the Olympics. That whole him and Bronnie thing, I'm excited about that.

Did you train him at all this summer? Yeah. Is he still trying to add things to his game?

Yeah, his shot continues to get better. If you look at the last three or four years, his three is getting better. I think that's something that you need to do as you get older. You need to develop a shot.

Yeah. How much of that is your direction versus does a player come in in the offseason and say, Hey, this is what I want, or do you say, Hey, I've watched your game. I think this is what we can add?

How it is, is they come in, they'll say, What do you think I need to work on? Then they'll tell me what they think they need to work on. Depending on if it's a star player, I'm not going to be like, No, I don't think so. But you have some delusional players that come in that might be the eighth man and might want to be like, I want to work on ISO moves. But it's like, Well, you never in an ISO situation. Why are we doing that? It just depends on the player.

It's interesting because there's some players that have unorthodox shooting styles, but they're effective.

Thierry Halliburton.

Halliburton is one. If you want to go back like Sean Marion, another guy that Sure. Nobody learns how to shoot like Sean Marion, right? For sure. But if it goes in, then it works. But if you're working with a guy that might have an unorthodox shooting style, and he might be in a little bit of a slump, how do you go about fixing that? Because your mechanics that you normally teach might not apply to this guy.

For sure. Again, it's just a mental game. And with the shot. So I'm with the Knicks, and Phil Jackson gets the job. And he's literally brings in the head coach, fires him, brings in the assistant coach, fires him. He's firing the whole staff. So I called my dad. I'm like, just so you know, I'm about to get fired right now. I'm going to the interview with Phil, and Phil is like, I have one question. You're a shooting coach, right? And I'm like, yeah. And he's like, Tell me, what do you need to be a good shooter? Is there one form? Do you need to hop into it? Do you need to step into it? And my answer was, no, there's not one way to shoot as long as you have good rotation and you have a good follow-through. He liked that answer, and I was actually the only guy that he kept. Oh, wow. The whole shooting thing, just being open-minded to it, I think that's a big thing.

It feels like, too, with shooting, everyone could shoot a different way. Being able to repeat the motion, too, is big.

How do you feel about your shots? Bad.

When we first opened this office, it was getting better because we had the shotgun, so I was getting a couple of hundred threes up a day. But with football and everything, I haven't shot in a long time.

Are you someone that needs to see the ball go in for a few workouts and then you'll shoot good the next day.

You can maybe explain this to me. I don't know. I've played pickup for a long time. I always find if I don't play basketball for a while, my very first pickup game is incredible, and then it just goes off.

That's definitely a thing. That's a mental thing. The fact that you're saying that... Yeah, 100%.

If I don't pick up a basketball for a couple of months and I go play pickup, I make everything. Then if I play the next day, I miss everything.

And so mentally, you telling yourself that is probably the reason why that happens. I'm mentally weak, yeah. But no, but also that also shows that you can shoot and that some guys... It's amazing. I'll say the guy's name. So D'Angelo Russell, one summer, and he was with the Nets. We worked closely. We did three on-court workouts the whole offseason. That was it. And he was all-star that year because his mental was so strong as confidence. So every player is different. There's no one right way to shoot. There's no one right way to work. It's interesting.

How big of a freak is a guy like Wemby? Because it feels like big guys, they grow up shooting now. Back in the day, none of these guys had an outside shot. But Wemby, in particular, Given how unique his body frame is, for him to be that good at shooting, he feels like just an absolute freak.

Wemby is the future of the league. I think he'll be MVP multiple times. He worked with Jamal Crawford closely this summer. That was his trainer. Jamal was telling me, he's like, We've mastered the Melo footwork. We've mastered the Dirk footwork. We've mastered the... He goes to sleep every night at 8:30. He's like a machine. If he stays healthy, I think he'll be one of the greatest players that we've ever seen.

When did that happen? When big guys all got together and they said, You know what? We're going to shoot, too.

Honestly, I think around 2014, '15. I don't know if you remember Ennis Kanner? Yeah. He was a great big man. Then all of a sudden, there was no space for him in the league, along with some other things. But it became like, if you can't shoot, there's no spot for you in the league. It was interesting.

How long did it take you to perfect teaching the Eurostep?

The Eurostep.

Because it's obviously somewhat new. It's been around for a while now. For sure. You've seen it.

It became such a big part of the game.

Yeah, in the last 10 years, it's just everyone has to have one and has to be a leader.

I think working with James, I worked with James closely for a few summers. James Harden. Yeah, James Harden. He was in That was one of his things, the Euro step, the side step, the step back. A lot of players, I learned stuff through, and I definitely learned how to teach that through James.

What about guys trying to get an edge every offseason, trying to trying to figure out how the referees are calling the game, trying to figure out how to draw more fouls. Do they practice that?

The whole manipulate in the refs thing. So you know how they change the rules. So that hurt James Harden. That hurt Trey Young. They were getting to the free throw in 20 times a game by throwing their body into the player. Then they change that rule. You can't do that anymore. So I think the rules have changed, so it's tougher for players to manipulate the game.

Yeah, which is probably better for the game. For sure. Yeah. How much do these guys train with you in the season?

It'll be long home stretches. It'll be times when they lose their confidence. They might hit me up like, Yo, Chris, come to Chicago. I have no confidence right now.

You got to use this gym now. Yes. Because next time you come, you got to come back and we got to do a video. I know we're in transition right now. For driving Barstool.

But we wanted to do a full video. We need to do a content piece where I work you guys out.

Yes, we're all the way in. We got to do it this season at some point.

Let's do it. Now, I'll give you guys a bunch of NBA drills and we'll see what we get.

Yeah, that'll be bad. Just imagine, hypothetically, a 5'8 and a half guy. Let's say he's 39 years old. His three-point shot looks like he's never seen a basketball before. Okay. How good do you think you could make that hypothetical person if he had two months to just work on a shot?

I think I could do it. I have a cool story. Jay Cole came up to me three years ago, and he said, Chris, this might sound crazy, but I want to be a pro basketball player.

It does sound crazy.

I'll give you three months, and I'll trust in you. Every single day He would put his kids to sleep, drive his bike to the gym at 9:00 PM. For the first month, we only shot with one hand in the paint for a month straight, which that's a different type. His mentality is different to do that. Month two, we put two hands on the ball and we only shot mid-range. Month three, we started shooting threes. He actually signed a contract to play in the NBA Africa League, played professionally in Canada, and he actually got a knock-down jump shot. So if you give me three months, I got you.

I didn't say me. I said this is a hypothetical.

I might need to do this. It's not me. It's three months and get my shot wet.

For sure. How many hours would this person have to put in per day?

An hour and a half a night, about five days a week.

You could do that? I think this person could probably do that.

Yeah, this person could do that.

Whoever he or she is. Yeah.

Can you make anyone taller?

Maybe we could find some snowman.

Yeah, exactly. Would that do it? Well, our guy here, Hank, He's trying to dunk.

How tall is he?

Hank, were you 6 feet? 6 feet. So we made a bet with him. He's got to dunk by the end of the year. We made this bet four months ago. He's been training really hard. How old is he? You're 31? 31. He's been training really hard. He is 6 inches away from dunking right now.

I got something for you. Okay. Literally, this sounds so elementary. Get a jump, bro. In six days a week, do 1,000 jump ropes, set to 250. I bet that if you do that, if you can do that for whatever, a few months, that you'll be able to dunk.

All right. So if he dunks because of this, you're going to have to pay for some of this because we have to pay him, I think, 10 grand each if he don't.

We're playing it.

It's coming out of your pocket now. Forget about that. I shouldn't have asked for the advice.

But he's been training for what? Four months, five months?

But what's your training consist of? Have you been lifting with your legs, jumping?

Yeah, Yeah, a lot of legs, pliometrics. I've got an actual guy that's got a program that's built specifically for jumping.

Do you guys remember growing up those jump, those shoes? Yeah, PFT has them.

The shoes with them.

But then they're tearing people as a kid.

That's why I had to hang those up. I imagine that there is a lot of junk science in the basketball shooting industry, right? For sure. People that just don't know what they're talking about, trying to do an easy fix. For sure. What's the craziest thing that you've seen?

The craziest thing that I've seen? I don't know. I've seen some trainers come up with this, some weirds. I don't know. That has been some weird stuff. Some trainers have very weird.

What about hypnosis?

What's that?

Like hypnotizing somebody. You know what?

That actually could work with some guy that's mentally... Remember the whole Markel Fultz thing? Someone like that? When he was in his... The whole mental... Maybe I'll add that to me.

You You're playing LeBron's son, Bronnie, and Melo's son. Which of the two is like their game is most like their father's?

Kian. Kian Anthony. I think he might go to Syracuse, too. He's a top 30 player in the country. He's like 6, 6, 6, 7 now. I've seen him from a little kid. Now, he's one of the top players in the country. He's going to be really good.

Who in the NBA has had the most improved shot that you've worked with?

Who's like one I guess a cool story is CJ McCollum. I started working with CJ, and he wasn't playing much for Portland. We worked a whole summer, and he became NBA's most improved player. That was a cool instant. You could see it. Kawhi Leonard, we worked this summer. He wanted to learn Melo's footwork. After that, he got Finals MVP and broke out. That's some cool stories where we put the work in and it Joden. Yeah.

How good of a shooter is Lethal shooter? Great shooter. Every video, he just makes you.

Yeah, no, he's a great shooter. I'm definitely a fan of his content. Yeah.

Do you guys have a text chain with all the NBA trainers?

No, I don't. A lot of NBA trainers are haters to other trainers and stuff. I'm not that guy. Unless you're doing some bullshit, I support you. Yeah. And I support Lethal shooter for sure.

Are there any Turf wars between coaches and you?

For sure. It used to be a lot just because I use social media, I'll post the workouts. Maybe eight years ago, no one was doing that. I definitely got backlash, and some of the agents didn't like me, some of them. But now I've grown a brand that shows that it's worked, so I don't really get much of that anymore. I have good relationships.

Yeah, so your brand has gotten so crazy that you were in the last year's... Was it last year's NBA 2K?

Yeah, in my gym.

Yeah, in your gym. Do you know that people were mad at you about it? I found a comment online. It said, Fuck Chris Brickley. All my homies hate Chris Brickley. This motherfucker man. I wish I could punch his ass in the game. Why is he a better defender than Prime Kuaai? Never doing the Brickley weekly thing again, bro. Ais are fucking crackheads in this game.

Yes, I've actually seen that. That's actually hilarious. That's been the video game world for sure. I piss a lot of people off. Sometimes you can't get into my gym.

In the video game world?

Yeah. I'll be in the airport and the airport security guy will be like, Man, give me a little attitude. It's interesting, that whole video game thing. That changed my life. I didn't realize how many people play Toucan. It's crazy.

You ever walk around just doing the shooting motion? Just going down the sidewalk.

No. In the house, I'll be like, fake dribblin.

Yeah, you got to cross someone up every now and then. Got you.

Are you really good at beer pong?

I'm actually not that good. That's mental.

That I can fix that in a couple of days.

So you can teach me that and I'll teach you.

I can fix that in 10 minutes. Just get a little bit drunk. Yeah. Okay.

Have three or four beers. Yeah, that's the way to do it.

Let's do it. When I come train you guys, we'll also play a game of beer pong.

Yeah, I want you to train us and get all of our shots just wet.

We can do that.

We need that. All right, well, this has been awesome, man. We really appreciate you coming by. I have one last question. It's a rowback question. Roho, B-A-C-K. Com. Promo code, take 20% off your first purchase. Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, Shorts, rowback. Com. Promocode take. Who's the one player that you'd love to train that you haven't been able to? It could be actually someone retired, too. But who's the one guy? Steph. Steph, okay.

Yeah. About three years ago, Steph hit me, and it was the At the very end of the summer, I was done my runs. He was like, Yo, Chris, can you put together a run for me? There wasn't enough NBA guys in the city at the time. I couldn't do it, so that didn't work out. But since then, I want to see how good he is.

Do you have guys that are not NBA guys, but that you have on your phone that you can be like, Hey, I need you to come play because Kawhi is in town?

Yeah. I like overseas guys, the guys that used to play. I do. I have a few of those guys, but you never want too many of those guys to run a little crazy. But if I need two guys- To fill in guys?

Yeah. Are you ever like, one guy gets hurt and there's a guy on the treadmill at your building and you're like, Hey, can you get in there?

Actually, literally, that just happened. That's It was a run that went super viral. It was like Jalen Brunson versus Emmanuel quickly. Aaron Gordon, a bunch of NBA guys were playing. We only had 10 guys. Someone got hurt. We went and found a random guy working out, and we're like, Yo, can you just play in this run for a little bit? And he played in the run.

Was he terrible?

No, I told him he couldn't shoot.

Okay, that makes sense. I mean, that's a dream. Being able to like, Yeah, I played pickup with Jalen Brunson and Emmanuel quickly.For.

Sure.that's awesome. That guy's I'm going to pull one, though. If he's open, it's like they're disrespecting him. For sure.

I think he might have shot a shot or a layup.

You should have the Papa John sign ready to go. When that situation comes up, be like, Hey, if you shoot a shot, you're going to go outside.Coach B-style.Yeah.

Coach B-style, forCoach Vee style.

I love it. Well, thank you so much, man.Thank you. Really appreciate it. It was awesome to have you on. Yeah, we got to set it up.I'll be back. Give us a whole workout.100%..

I'm just going to say I'm rooting for Ben Simmons this year. Yeah, I want to see what you can do.

I like to hear that.Yeah..

I mean, it would be a great comeback story. Because the internet is brutal. It's a bad place. The internet's a terrible, terrible place. Tears everyone down, but the internet loves a comeback story, too. They do. So everyone will just all of a sudden be like, I was always a Ben Simmons fan. I'll just say I became a Ben Simmons fan. I'll be nice about it.

Yeah, I'll just lie and say I've always-That's what they do.

I never went against them. That's what they do. Well, thanks so much, man. I appreciate it.

Thank you.

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Okay, let's wrap up. Guys on Chicks. By the way, we got a big interview coming Friday. People are going to really like our interview on Friday.

Yeah, it's going to be rad. It was a very fun dude to talk to. Also, during that interview with Chris Brickley, if I was sounding flustered, that's the day that my El Camino broke down in traffic, and I was 20 minutes late. That was, yeah. And I sprinted in and then just sat down my chair. I was like, Okay, interview. Yeah.

They showed up and I was like, Yeah, PFT is on his way, but his El Camino broke down. I'm like, What?

Yeah.

But really cool guy. And we're going to have him come back. So the court was inoperable at the moment when he came. He's going to come back and we're going to do a training video with him. Yeah. He's going to get us wet.

Guys on What athlete do you... I don't know if there's guys on Chicks, really, but what athlete do you guys think you have spent the most hours of your lifetime watching? For instance, for Max, it might be Jason Kelsi because of watching every Eagles's game in his long tenure. But then you also have to factor in how many hours we've spent watching braided and LeBron in their insane longevity and always playing in the big games.

I think it might be braided.

Or yeah, like Manning or braided.

Or LeBron.

Actually, LeBron is probably the answer.

Because of the time, more games.

Yeah, 20 Every postseason. Yeah, it's LeBron.

David Ortiz is probably up there for me.

I think it's got to be a baseball player that has been around for a long time because there's so many more baseball games than there are, I guess, basketball, but you're not watching every LeBron game. I'm not watching every baseball game either. If it's a player on a team that I'm not invested in, I'm not sitting and watching Mike Traff games.

Think about how much LeBron you've probably watched. I mean, you've watched every playoff game he's ever been in.

True.

And he's been in a million playoff games. I think it might be LeBron, most watched athlete. Tiger Woods, sneaky up there, though. Ours?

No, but he doesn't play enough. I think I think LeBron is... Lebron, braided is probably up there, too.

Yeah, it's probably that. Mahomes, if he plays for a long time just because you can now watch every game no matter what. But there's so many less football. Mine's probably less football.

Yeah, mine Probably, you're right. Ortiz was 2004 to 2000.

But LeBron has just been around for so goddamn long. It's crazy. How many playoff games has LeBron played in? Let's see.

I'm going to guess, what, '98?

287 playoff games. It's LeBron.

Yeah.

That's an insane amount of playoff games.

Is that four seasons worth of playoff games?

You've been watching every single one. There might be a couple that you missed, but for the most part, you watched every LeBron play off. Yeah.

I came home from a trip and there are bite marks on my good cheese, like two giant bite marks. I asked and he said he didn't want the dishes. Is this normal behavior?

Is this a guys on dogs? It sounds like a mouse.

No, I think she's saying she left the house, went on a trip, came back, and then her boyfriend or husband ate the cheese but didn't cut it with a knife. Yeah. What do you expect?

I would actually expect cutting with a knife because I just do the paper towel move where I just make a plate with a paper towel.

Yeah, but sometimes you just open up the fridge and there's cheese in there, and then you're just like, I'll take a just quick nibble.

Did you think he ate the cheese and then put a cracker in his mouth?

I'll do that sometimes. Made a combined.

Yeah, make him a sandwich in your mouth.

Made his own Ritz bits? Yeah.

This much is just got to take a bite.

Yeah, sometimes if it's good cheese, you got to do it.

I don't understand how you leave a bite mark. Because Did he sink his teeth in?

That is savage behavior.

You have to- You should be able to get a clean to make it look like you cut it.

Because I do the rip. If we have banana bread, I rip it, and then I'll come back and cover my track.

I think the The hardest move is to go in and just break the triangle corner off the cheese with your fingers, your finger and your thumb, and then you just pop that in.

Yeah, the bite marks doesn't make a lot of sense. That's a savage. I was working in the hospital on Sunday and decided I wanted to make soup for dinner. I instacarted everything I needed to be delivered. I come home later to find out my husband is mad at me for dumping all those groceries on me to carry upstairs and put away without asking me first. His reasoning is that it's football Sunday, and he also wanted the flexibility to take a nap without having to get up for groceries sitting outside. My husband is ridiculous, right? We're currently trying for our first baby. Won't he have to temper his Sunday expectations a little when we have our baby? Thanks, guys.

I love this guy because his wife is possibly pregnant. Wait, wait, wait.

There's a follow-up. Oh, man, they're fighting. I love this. Hey, fellows, this is the husband from the grocery store.

My wife told you.

To be clear, it was three heavy bags of 20 items plus a case of water bottles, just saying, Love the show and my marriage.

Okay. All right. I love this guy because number one, his wife, she might be pregnant. Number Number two, she's working at a hospital, saving people's lives during the day. Number three, ordered ingredients from a grocery store so she can come home and make him soup. He just wants to sit on the couch and watch football. He's like, I have to take these groceries up the stairs. She ruined my Sunday. Yeah.

I'm going to side with the wife here, and let me just explain it in a football analogy because this guy is a football guy. You got to take the easy check down every now and then. There's certain things that if you had just done five minutes of putting the groceries away, you're a hero. You took the easy pass. Just get a completion and don't have them come home and be like, What the hell is this?

I would say you're like Harrison Bucker, not in the way of him talking about women, but in the way of You're mad at Patrick Mahomes for not getting the ball on the hashmark that you like it for a Super Bowl winning kick. Yeah.

The easy completions are all around us. You just got to keep picking them up. Take out the trash before you ask to. Clean the dishes. If there's a couple of dishes in there, just clean them up. Easy completions make you an elite quarterback.

That's actually one of my favorite moves. If you're ever at a significant other's house, and maybe it's your first or second time being around the family, go in the kitchen, take the trash bag out, take it out to the trash can without being asked. Everyone's like, Wow, you married a hero. Yeah.

It's the long time, like Thanksgiving morning. I always talk about, I always preach to everyone because you know you're going to want to watch football and sit on the couch and get drunk and eat. Thanksgiving morning, find one thing that is like, I'll go get ice, or I'll go do this. Oh, we got to pick up the pies. Just do the one thing that everyone be like, Oh, he went and did that. Checkmark and announced it, too. Make sure everyone knows that you did that thing.

Hank's winding up for a breaking news right now. Oh, Breaking Moves.

Yeah, we can end on this unfortunate Breaking Moves banner night for the Celtics. Meanwhile, Joel Embiid and Paul George are out for the opener versus Bucks on Wednesday.

Load It's in the management.

I like it. Embiid is progressing well and ramping up, scrimming this week. He will not play this week. George will be reevaluated later in the week. He's fine.

This sounds fine. It's October basketball.

Do you have anything- Who gives a fuck about October basketball?

I'm excited for tonight.

Yeah, you're a loser.

It's literally banner.

Yeah, that doesn't work. Figuratively.

Do you have anything to say, Max, about- That's literally. Jared McCain bothering everyone with his That was funny.

Yeah.

Did you guys see that? Kyle Rauwer was like, Dude, turn that off. The fuck are you doing?

But I like that. I mean, that's just like vet, rookie, just jab, back and forth. Let the new guy do his little TikToks, and the old guy is going to be mad about it. Yeah, it's fun stuff. Fun stuff.

I love that.

No, that was fun. That was fun stuff. But we're not concerned about Embiid and Paul George being out. No, it's fucking October. Okay. Who gives a shit? Is it a good omen or a bad omen? Would you rather them play?

I don't care.

Yes, I would rather them play.

All right. So then it matters a little.

It matters maybe 1%. I don't know what the percentage is of, but it's 1%.

1% of something. It's usually 100. Of my brain. Yeah. Would you prefer them to play?

Yeah. I guess I won't watch that game now on Wednesday. Damn.

You sound like not.

Actually, yes, I will.

Yeah, you will. Max, he'll go off.

Max, he'll go for 50.

Yaboo.

Yaboo. Jared McCain.

Jared McCain.

You got to watch it because then it's like watching a Hard Knocks preseason game.

You're going to get to watch the vlog later of behind the scenes.

And Andre Drummond, great backup center now.

Not as good as B-Ball Paul.

I love B-Ball Paul.

Don't say anything about B-B-Ball Paul. All right, good show, boys. Hank, have fun.

Yeah, you're a loser fest tonight. Enjoy it.

The one word you can't use for Banner Night is calling Hank a loser.

But Hank, I mean, he is a loser. No, I mean, objectively speaking, Hank is the biggest winner on this show. But not in the literal sense. Yes.

In the other sense.

What's the other sense? I don't know. What are you trying to say? That Hank's the worst. I agree. Say that. You should have said that.

Say that.

Probably I'm the worst because I win.

Yeah, partially.

That's why you think I'm the worst. If I was a loser, you'd feel bad for that. Numbers. Hank's a good guy. Numbers. Like you. That's what they say about you. Like, Oh, Max, love him.

Great guy.

Three. Eighteen.

Five. Great sports fan, even better human being. Seventeen. Memes.

I gave you a pause there.

Yeah. You could have said three. What Hank said about max is funny.

99 perg. 21.

What is your number, PFT? Five.

For memes. Memes and PFT have never gotten this. 24. 24.

Love you guys.

Thank you so much.