Transcript of Coach Tom Coughlin, Davante Adams To The Jets, Jerry Jones Is Mad At Everyone, College Football, Playoff Baseball + Listener FAQ’s

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It's great. This is actually a masterclass in pr by Woody Johnson and his son, Brick Johnson, and the entire New York jets organization because they didn't even let the media have a single news cycle where we're talking about what happened on Monday night. And also, thank you for. For just wiping that memory of that game out of my brain.

Oh, my God.

And we can talk about the reps a little bit.

So many calls, so many flags.

This is. This is perfect pr for the jets. You lose them on a football game, and then next day, you completely change everybody's mind. And now jets fans are happy.

Yeah. No memes.

Did you even have time to really get upset about this loss?

No.

I think a half hour into waking up, the news broke.

Okay.

Every team should be so lucky.

Yeah.

And base should be so lucky. You just, when you have an embarrassing loss, you wake up the next morning and you're like, oh, new toy.

It's literally the fix it button. You're two and four. You look like shit on Monday night football. Well, you looked okay at times, but you also had a Hail Mary.

Defense, look like shit.

Defense look like shit. You fired your coach.

Can't make a kick.

Can't make a kick. You didn't even get the new coach bump. But Devontae Adams. And we did. We did say it. He his post two weeks ago. Edgar Allen Poe famously lived in New York City. The end of his life, at the.

End of the career, that was.

That was. That was exactly what happened. So Devontae Adams. Fix everything. Memes.

Fix everything. Can't stop the run. Devontae Adams can't make a field goal. Devontae Adams.

Yup.

Million penalties.

Devante Adams, but Gar Wilson now getting squeezed out. Devontae Adams.

No, not squeezed out.

Well, then. Well, he's. The last two. Two games, Garrett Wilson's been targeted a lot, but he's going to lose targets.

But then you put Devontae Adams in the spots where he wasn't getting the ball.

Hmm.

But what happens to Alan Lazar? Because he's got to get his targets, too.

He'll still get some. He'll get like, the scrappy throws.

The scrappy throws.

You want more weapons?

You want more weapons.

We need more weapons.

I don't think you heard memes, big cat, when he said he's getting squeezed in.

He's getting squeezed in.

The. Squeezed in. Yeah.

He's further in jamming. Let me ask you a question.

When he's got more opportunities to be open.

Let me ask you a question, memes. How. How much? What do you think Garrett Wilson and Aaron Rodgers relationship, where it's at? If, hypothetically, Aaron Rodgers next year, at the end of this year, said, this jets organization is a dumpster fire. I want to trade. I want to go to the Vikings. Do you think he brings Garrett Wilson with him? Because that's really the sign of whether Aaron Rodgers loves you or nothing.

I think he would.

I don't.

I don't think the Vikings could afford Gav Wilson, but, yeah.

Well, this. This is perfect because I have been hoping for the last two years that the way this would all shake out for Aaron Rodgers is he goes to the jets and then he goes to the Vikings to end screw. He does the Brett Favre, like the guy he started his career out hating the most. It's like you become your parents at some point in life when you get older.

Yeah.

And then Aaron Rodgers just goes on to commit welfare fraud.

I got a question. I got another question for you, memes. This is me reading a tweet, and I'd like you to comment on it. Aaron Rodgers wanted Devontae Adams and got him. Aaron Rogers had no opinion on whether Robert Salah should be fired. And then it's a meme of doctor evil saying, right?

Oh, it's doctor evil. Classic. Was that Nathaniel Hackett that did that?

No. Well, he probably liked it.

Yeah.

The Florio tweet that?

That was Florio's tweet? Yeah. Makes a pretty good point. Makes a pretty good point.

I. I think Aaron Rodgers just works there. I don't think Aaron Rodgers has any say. He was as surprised as you or me when we found out that coach Salah was fired.

You think he actually. He probably had to ask, like, whoever the big dom is in the jets organization, he probably had to ask him for Woody Johnson's number this morning to be like, hey, can we please have Devontae Adams? Because they'd never. They'd never had that kind of relationship before.

What you think Woody Johnson was like, actually, Aaron, that's a great idea.

Yeah.

Thanks for bringing that up. I'm that long. It does feel like you forgot your wife's anniversary, and then you show up the next day and you bought her a car.

It's.

Yeah, that's kind of what's going on with the jets.

Remember Kobe after the Colorado? And then his wife had the biggest ring ever at the press conference? That's what Devontae Adams is for you.

Mm hmm.

Hey, hey, hey, hey. Please, Hank, I have a quote.

Another quote.

Oh, I like this. I like reading quotes.

I'm not a big jets fan, in case you don't. Don't know that. I thought coach Salah really did a good job with this team. That's kind of what it's been here, there with the jets. They've barely won over 30% in the last ten years. The owner being the owner. Ready. Fire. Aim.

So, Hank, before memes chimes in, that guy sounds like he. There's no way that person knows anything about football.

Sounds like his last loss was against the jets.

Or the jets.

Oh, does that person know anything about football?

Yeah, it was Bill Belichick.

Oh, shit.

Bill Belichick wouldn't know anything about coaching for the Jetse.

Twice.

He did it twice.

Memes.

I fucking hate Bill Belichick, but Bill Belichick does not like the Johnson family at all.

No shit. Yeah.

You think? Do you think.

Was it the part of the quote that he said? You. What do you say about him?

Ready. Fire. Aim.

The owner being the owner. Ready. Fire. Aim.

The owner being the owner is great.

They've barely won over 30% in the last ten years.

The owner being the owner. Anytime you have to double a name, it's like Manny being Manny. The owner being the owner. Nuff said.

Belichick on the manicast is the greatest tv of all time.

I hate it.

You just get so mad when they.

Have anybody else on. I change a channel, but when it's Belichick, that's good stuff. Belichick, it feels like he's been waiting all these years to get all these takes off, and he finally has a platform where he feels comfortable just, like, unloading on people.

He was getting so mad every time they didn't keep contain on Josh Allen last night. Yeah, you gotta fucking keep him in there.

And just having Eli's presence there is enough to piss him off.

Yeah.

So he gets in that mood where he's like, oh, I need to turn on somebody else because I have to look at Eli.

Yeah. So, memes, you got Devontae Adams to fix everything. Can we talk about the game, though? Because you guys are not good.

Yeah, one. Which aspect? I thought the offense looked fine.

I thought the offense looked okay.

Yeah, it wasn't. It was better than what it was. And then you rely on your defense. And then the defense just looked like.

Absolute shit from the first drive points, though. From a hail mary, which you can't, I guess, with Aaron Rodgers, you probably can rely on that because he's just, I tweeted at the moment, like, the fact that when he goes back, first of all, the bills rushing to was so idiotic, but when he goes back for Hail Mary, in my head, I'm like, this is a 50 50 shot.

Yeah. I expect it to happen.

Yeah.

What if the jets just ran an all hair Hail Mary offense? Like, if they got past the 40 yard line?

Yeah.

Why not just throw the ball four times in a row into the end zone?

Teams wouldn't be ready for it. Although I would imagine the pass rush would probably be a problem. I actually wouldn't rush to every time.

The first time they did that, they'd probably get a touchdown in their first four attempts because they'd be like, surely they won't run the Hail Mary again.

Yeah.

And then just keep doing it. It was an. Yeah, I expected the pass to be caught. He's got the perfect trajectory on his Hail Mary's.

I don't get it out. I don't think Rogers was bad, per se. The last play, obviously, everyone's debating that was vintage Rogers kind of hero mode where he did have Bries Hall. I don't know if Bries hall would have gotten the first down, but it was third down, so you had another down to work with.

It did look like he had a, like a mile to run breeze hall, like, yeah, open space. But everybody was running back because they saw Aaron rock, right?

Correct. And that, that is, that's how his lat, his last play with the packers, remember, was the exact same play where he threw it deep and I think he had Lazard underneath and it was just, it was hero ball. He goes into hero ball every now and then, but I didn't think, I didn't walk away from that game saying, oh, Aaron Rodgers is totally washed or anything. I thought the refs ruined that game to such an insane level that, like, I was starting to not like football for a minute there. When they did the, when they flagged during the commercial break.

Yeah.

Our guy, Deon Dawkins got flagged in the middle of the commercial break. I was like, this is, they're just doing everything.

And then somebody on the jets got flagged for an inappropriate discussion with the referee.

Yeah.

And then there were several plays. I think there were multiple plays in the fourth quarter where there were flags on both teams, and it was just. Every single play had happened. And it dawned on me. I think the NFL has too many rules.

Yeah.

I think we need less rules in the NFL. It has to be a one in, one out policy. Whenever the competition committee gets together, they figure out a new rule. Yeah, you can add that rule, but you got to take one out.

So hip drop tackle got added and offsides gets taken away.

Exactly. Or you can take out, like, hands, the face. Who cares about hands to the face?

I don't care about. Nobody cares about hands to face count unless the helmet comes.

Get rid of the rule that says that you can't advance a punt. Yeah, you should be able to advance a punt if it's. If it's muffed.

What I.

There was an unnecessary roughness on a pass block where the guy just. There was no hands in the face.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He just got pancakes. I've never seen it before.

It was crazy.

Yeah, it was insane. That's, like, what you're taught to do as an offensive lineman.

It was. That it. The. Both roughing the passer calls were egregious. Rogers even said it. He was like, yeah, that was. That was a terrible call on. On. When revving the passer on Josh. And it was a terrible call when they called it for me, too. So, like, I appreciate Rogers just saying that he ripped the refs afterwards. He's going to get big time. Fine. But guess what? Devontae Adams.

And that's the Aaron Rodgers rule, too, that he got.

Yeah.

The body weight landing on him at that point. What do you do if you're the defender? You've got him wrapped up. You're trying to strip the ball out.

You got to lose some.

You have to defy the laws of physics in midair.

You got to. You got to, like, put a shot of ozempic in you as you're bringing him down.

It's insane. That. That was nuts. The. The tuck rule. That wasn't. You called Aaron Rodgers. I think on the field they said it was a fumble, and then expedited review jumped in and instantly. Expedited review said, no, that's an incomplete pass. Then McDermott tried to challenge the expedited review, and you can't really challenge the expedited review.

But I did like the expedited reviews to actually have been working. It was a couple times, the. The Garrett Wilson touchdown, where the ref was just staring at it, and it was so obviously a touchdown, and they just immediately, like, yeah, that was a touchdown.

I actually think that they did the, they expedited. The expedited review too fast.

Yeah.

On the, on the tuck rule play. Because I don't think that they realize exactly what happened, and I think that probably should have been a fumble.

The good news is it was so bad. It was just bad everywhere. So we can't even, I don't know if you can walk away being like, one team got especially screwed because everything was just bad.

I thought the refs were going to give us one.

Yeah.

And then Braille announced scores and then holding. We're not getting shit.

You should be allowed to hit the long snapper. That's another rule we can get rid of. Get rid of that one. No fair catches.

I like no fair catches.

No illegal touching. Except for the Browns.

They need illegal touch. Their quarterbacks have to. By the way, there's another team that played in this game, the Bills, and they are back. Josh Allen was awesome. Josh Allen has been awesome. Do you know that Josh Allen is not throwing an interception this year?

That concerns me. That's a bad thing.

I'm just saying we got to be. For all the, all the talk about all his turnovers, I also have a Josh Allen staff for you. The glazing is crazy, bro. But Josh Allen has the most passing and rushing touchdowns since the start of the 2022 season, and it's not really close. He has 99. Jalen hurts his second with 81, Patrick Holmes with 78. He was, I mean, now he adds Amari Cooper, who gets out of jail.

Yeah. So it's like the, the Bills hit the Cooper button.

Yeah, but they didn't even need to. They're four and two with what feels like a, I don't want to say commanding, but it does feel like a commanding lead in the AFC east because of who's in that division and how they've been playing and. Yeah, I. The Bills, that was a good win for the Bills, where it's like you're coming off some questions to two tough games and they went into a tough environment on it. I would, going up against the team that just fired a coach is like, that's unfair advantage for the other team.

Yeah, that's what I thought. The Jets, I did nothing. Factor in the fact that their defense would look a little bit worse and more disorganized because they elevated their defense coordinator to head coach. I didn't factor that part in.

And they need Hassan Reddick, who now is being shopped around. They have a tight window is what the report came out that the jets gave him a tight window to call around and see if anyone else wants this.

Might be a buyer beware situation. Big cat. I'm not sure if Hasan Reddick is necessarily the best team player, but at.

Least they'll figure out a price before which the jets should have done.

Yeah. So whoever, whoever trades for him probably talked to the agent, get the contract set up. Yeah. So I think he got fired by his agent. It's very rare that that happens. Johnny Manziel got fired because they got.

I guess the, the report was that they had a one year deal basically set that was going to be pretty good for son Reddick. And he was like, no. And his agency was like, well, we can't. We can't do this anymore. You don't want this.

Yeah. So I. I don't know if any teams are going to give up, really anything of substance to get Hassan Reddick right now.

Yeah. I don't know.

The only team I could think would be the Eagles.

That was crazy. What was the third round pick you gave up for Devontae Adams?

Additional a third round that could become second. Pretty. The same deal for Hasan Reddick. And if Hasan Reddick goes to an NFC team in a trade, it's second to Philadelphia automatically.

Oh, so you're not. You're probably not going to trade Hassan for. To an NFC team then?

Probably not, yeah.

Wait, well, how is that? Oh, the Eagles had that.

Eagles have that allowed to trade them to the NFC.

That was smart move by the Birds job by Howie. Howie Max, out of curiosity, what did the Eagles give up for Jahan Dotson, who is not Devontae Adams or Amari Cooper?

They gave up a third.

Okay. Yeah.

Either way, I was impressed by the Bills. Josh is. Is awesome. I mean, he's just. He's awesome. He's. He's a he. Now adding Amari Cooper, who I actually think Amari Cooper would be good because he. It's not that Amari Cooper was bad this year. He just had Deshaun Watson, and you could just see that he wanted to be anywhere but where he was.

How good is this day for Mari Cooper? You feel like Shawshank redemption. You feel like you climbed through. Was it like 1500 yards of shit?

It's incredible.

And now you're out the other side. Good for him. Also good for the Browns. Just making Deshaun Watson's life that much more torture.

The torture, the torture keeps going. It gets even worse. Trade every single weapon they have and make him go out there and play.

Don't let Nick Chubb play this year. I like Nick Chubb. Save Nick Chubb.

Yeah. Mario Cooper last year. Yeah, he had. He had 12, 12, 50 in yards. That's pretty damn good.

And he's what, 29?

He's 30 down.

30.

He's 30. Yeah, he's. He's younger than we always think, but, yeah, that's the bills. The bills look good.

And I also like the. The Taylor, the corner rap who had the guardian helmet on, who was out for a concussion. Still just going like, headfirst, balls to the wall, trying to kill people.

Yeah, respect that. Yeah, the Guardian cap. I. I'm still not used to seeing the Guardian cat.

I think it kind of looks cool.

I feel like watching that. They were saying, and I felt like he, because he's out with a concussion and they basically said, you can come back. You have to wear the Guardian cap. He's like, sure.

Yeah.

The NFL loves selling merch so much. I wonder if they'll have a fat head. But it's a guardian cap.

They need to sell caps for our hats.

We should. We should get a Guardian cap. Fathead on this wall.

I don't know, just. It's growing on me. It's kind of just like. I don't know why. It's a logo in a different fabric. Yeah, that's cool.

Shockingly, Damar Hamlin doesn't wear the Guardian cap.

No.

Tomorrow. Hamlin was out there snatching people's souls.

Yeah.

Just laying the lumber.

Yeah.

Pretty wild stuff.

Easy out there, but yeah. So. So to sum it up, Jets Devante Adams fixes everything in bills. They quieted any concerns that they would. That things were kind of falling apart with their last two performances. And I feel like they're in a good spot.

Did you get any, like, any vibes from Ulbricht in terms of what we can expect from him?

Nope.

I didn't either.

I just got a vibe that Nathaniel Hackett was sitting up in the booth being like, God damn it. That first drive was the first drive. The jets went right down the field. It was the first 2nd drive, second drive. And just him, like, it's kind of mean that he's still there.

I think he called the Hail Mary. I think that was a Hackett special.

You goes to Hackett? Yeah. It's all of.

All of Aaron Rodgers Hail Mary completions have been under the tutelage of Nathaniel Hackett.

Not all of them. No, I don't think so.

No.

He's probably on the Jaguars for one of them. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, he was. He was only. Nathaniel Hackett was only the Green Bay quarterbacks coach. I want to say for like two years, three years, the Hail Mary with 2019 to 2021.

I don't think you could have a beard that long as a head coach.

Oh, I was just about, I just said this to memes. Have we talked about how phenomenal his beard is?

The beard is that coordinator.

The beard is perfectly manicured.

It is a perfect beard.

It looks almost fake, how good the beard is.

And it's crazy because he's not.

Aaron Rodgers probably appreciates that.

He's not that old, don't we?

Don't shame having a little bit of gray in your beard around?

No, I'm just saying it's only 47.

It is. It's crazy, though, the lineup that he does on it. He must shave. He must shave that line twice a day. I think that's. You can't shave that in the morning and then have it pop at, like, 11:00 p.m. like he was having it pop.

You don't like the beard?

No, I like the beard. I just think as a. It looks good if he's a defensive coordinator, regular, like assistant coach.

But what about McVeigh? What about lafleur?

They don't have long like Santa Claus.

They got, that beard demands respect.

I disagree.

I'm just saying, as, in terms of, if you're looking at a head head coach, like, if you're mocking up a head coach, when are you drawing the.

Lines on the beard are perfect.

The lines are crazy. I respect the beard. As a man who's face bald, I could only dream of having a beard like that. However, I think it's too manicured for especially a defensive head coach. Like, he spends a lot of time working on the beard. I would like it to be a little scraggly, a little more unkempt. I mean, look at those lines of. Yeah, he uses a protractor to shave his beard.

He's got a good beard. Mmm. But, yeah, I'm not that I'm a look at it more. Hank.

I still don't know anything about the guy. Yeah, he's just not giving us anything.

I'm not gonna rule out your take.

The beard just doesn't give head coach yeah. Vibes. I was my take.

Maybe go goatee. Goatee. Goatee should come back. Goatees are cool. All right.

It's weird how all these trades happened during the NFL owners meetings.

Mmm. That is interesting. Speaking. The NFL owners meetings. Jerry Jones is at the part of the season where he's threatening radio host jobs.

Yeah, I saw that.

So he went on his bad birthday. Yeah. He did his hit on the local radio that he does every week, and he basically was like, I'll find someone else to ask these questions if you keep asking these questions.

Yeah. So they asked him about making personnel moves. Fair question. Because Jerry's the GM.

I would say that's a very fair question.

And he said, this is not your job. Should I do my Jerry Jones.

It is his job.

It's not your job. Your job isn't to let me go over to reasons.

George Bush.

I did something, and I'm sorry that I did it. That's not your job. I'll get somebody else to ask these questions. I'm not kidding.

Yes. George Bush.

You got to figure out what the team's doing, right or wrong. If you are or any five or ten, like you need to come to this NFL meet. I'm going today with 32 teams here. You're geniuses.

And that was Jerry Jones.

Jerry Jones.

That was Jerry Jones. George bush for coming on the show.

Also a little mike Greenberg in there.

But, yeah, jerry Jones is losing it. Yeah.

Bad birthday for jerry. Bad birthday for Gino, too. It was just. Maybe it's the opposite of having the baby bump. If you have a birthday that feels like it might be bad news.

Trevor Lawrence won his only game this year on his birthday.

Okay. Counterpoint.

Yeah. Yeah. So it's hit or miss.

Cherry's upset. Mike McCarthy says he's. He relishes the opportunity to correct this team. He was just thinking about hot dogs.

He was like, 2 hours late to his, uh, to his. To his press conference. Everyone thought he might have gotten fired or got lost. Yeah, he got. Yeah. He was probably doing his hot dogs, eating his hot dogs. Okay. Should we talk a little baseball real quick before we do college football?

Yeah.

The Mets. Even the series memes. Congrats. That was a big day for you. They. The bats woke up right away.

It was the greatest three innings, and then it was the most stressful baseball game after that.

Yeah. How do you feel about Diaz coming in to pitch four outs?

So based on everything that's been going on in the playoffs, it looks like a bad strategy because they get the one out, and then they get, like, 20 minutes of rest, and then they come back cold.

Yeah.

So I don't love it because it kind of happened to stanick. Stan came in, got the out, came in, then got runners on second and first. So I don't love it.

Okay.

I felt like. Yeah. A lot of Mets fans were panicking in that situation. But again, you had the first three innings. Great first three innings.

Great first three innings. Mania shoved me and Max were talking about Ohtani.

Okay.

He shouldn't be leading off.

Why?

Because he was, like, over 19 with runners not on.

Yeah, he was like.

He was like, ten strikeouts, 19 with over 19.

No, I know, but then they showed the stat where he was like, 16 for 18 with runners in scoring position or something.

Yeah. So if you swap Mookie bets with show, hey, it's probably the great.

I'm gonna need. I'm gonna need Shohey to do something this series, not only because I said it on Sunday night, but also pft told me that we're gonna bet Shohey to hit two home runs every game, and I've been doing that.

Well, he almost had a game one.

And a single, and I need three hits from.

Yeah, he almost did game one. He hit the. Hit the wall. Hank thought it was a home run, and then he hit the warning track. We're on there. We're on. That's a call. It's a bad matchup with the pitcher last night. Mania, I love his delivery. It's crazy. Like, the angle that he throws from. He basically does a pickoff move and then throws the ball to home plate every time he throws a pitch. And it's just got to be impossible for a lefty to hit that.

Yeah.

I don't understand why every pitcher doesn't do that. Shamania sucked. And then he just did that one thing to switch it up, and now no one can hit him.

Yeah, turn it around.

He.

Johnson, if you're bad, just do that.

Do that.

Then you'll be good, and it will work.

Like, it's a, it's a completely different angle. He reinvented math.

It's crazy.

All.

Everyone, like, everyone in the Phillies had great numbers against Maniah. Everyone on the Dodgers had great numbers against mania. But it doesn't matter because he's just a different pitcher this, this year than he's ever been.

Yeah.

Yeah, it is smart. I don't know why more people don't do it. I guess not everyone can do it, right?

I feel like you can just pitch. Just do the thing that he does before the game. Just go from one bullpen mound and pitch to the other catcher.

Yeah, he kind of has, like a Chris sale delivery.

Yeah, he just, he just.

Is that what he does in the bullpen?

In the bullpen, there's the two mounds. The catcher lines up to the right mound or to the right?

No. Yeah, I get.

He throws from the left mound.

I get that. I just didn't know that he did that.

No. Yeah.

That's how he warms up before every game.

That's very smart. Do it.

The Mets are doing something very smart.

Yeah. And then the other series, the Yankees beat the Guardians. John Carlos on fire. Do you see that picture? John Carlos wearing a tank top at the press conference? He's just. He's the most Jack guy ever.

He basically hit the moon with that home run.

Yeah. I think Soto's home run was a unicorn.

I believe love a unicorn.

Yeah. It was only out in Yankee Stadium, but there was wind. So he did hit it harder than like, it wasn't like a real cheapy home run, but. Yeah, it feels like the Yankees. I guess we'll choose your own adventure. Garrett Cole tonight, the whatever he is. 300 million dollar man, 400 million dollar mandy. Is he going to earn his pinstripes tonight?

He's got to go out there and be a true ace big cat.

Was that it last night? Yeah, it was a unicorn home run only out in Yankee Stadium. Yeah. Those are all love that.

They make everyone mad again.

He did hit it harder than there was wind, so. He did hit it harder than like.

A little blue, but 110 miles.

Yeah. Unicorns make people.

So there's reverse unicorns, too.

Yeah, I love those.

Those. It's only. It's not out.

This flyout would have been a home run in every park except coors field.

Oh, this is.

This is from June, but that's pretty cool.

Yeah, but it sucks when you bet on a guy to hit a home run and then he hits one of those. Yeah, the reverse unicorn.

Yeah. The reverse unicorn sucks. But I. So, Garrett Cole, what do we think? What do we think?

This feels like a sweep.

I don't think it's a sweep.

300 million dollar man, $324 million.

Because I feel like there's too much at stake for Cleveland. This is the only thing Cleveland's got going right now.

Yeah, their bullpen is really good, too. If they can just get a lead.

I think. I think it's gonna be Yanks in six.

It's be five one Yankees tonight.

I think it's be a gentleman's sweep. I think the Guardians get one at home. You know what I like. Yeah. Pft.

Six yanks in six.

They'll get two.

And Hank, are you rooting for a subway series?

Yeah, at this point, for content, just for the vibes. Yeah. I mean, we always said, like, we always joked about being in New York and them never even being in the championship. So it'd be funny if there was a subway series.

I mean, it would be incredible content for our company and just like I've said it, but, like, I just don't.

Want the Yankees to fucking win.

But the, the. It would be so much pain for either side like that. I don't even think about, like, who wins and gets to talk shit. I just think about the devastation for the loser in that situation. I would be all time.

I would much rather see Yankees fans devastated at this point, for sure.

Wrong.

Yeah.

How long after World Series, when do you think it would take for Frank the tank to go nuclear on the team and say how they'll never win another game again?

The parade. If they did the parade route wrong.

Yeah.

Like, the incompetent competence.

Yeah.

Yeah. How could they only do it here? No. Yeah. I would be rooting for the Mets in that World Series.

Anyone but the Yankees.

Yeah. In obese.

I think the Dodgers have a better.

Chance, but Yankee Max will be. Will be in full strike.

Max.

Pinstripe Max.

When asked for Pinstripe Dan to come back, I mean, John Carlos getting me close because he's just. He keeps hitting bombs. Wow.

Pinstripe Max and New York.

Oh, yeah. You should. Okay. Should we talk some college football?

Let's talk.

That was an awesome college football Saturday. I have a belief now that college football is better than it has ever been. And I know there was a lot of hand wringing going on with all the changes happening, but we're now in a spot and there's going to be more change. I get it. Expansion, all that stuff with the nil, we talked about it last week, but the nil and the portal flattening it out. So there's. It doesn't feel like this year, maybe Texas, but it doesn't feel outside of Texas. There's those, like, two or three super teams that no one has a chance against. The conference expansion has been awesome because you had games that were very meaningful and, like, big time games that you never would have had. Oregon, Ohio State was awesome. And then you also had on Saturday, like, the classics. You had LSU and Ole Miss, which was a great game. You had Tennessee Florida, which was a great game. And the fact that the expanded college football playoff, everyone's like, all the regular season won't matter. I think it actually matters, like, in a weird way, more in the fact that we have true elimination games coming up where you're gonna get a chance to, like, you have games that now have stakes that wouldn't have had stakes beforehand, like LSU and Texas A and M play I think next weekend.

That's an elimination game.

Yeah, there's gonna be a ton of them.

That's an elimination.

There's gonna be ton of them.

Now, Tennessee, Tennessee and Alabama could end up being an elimination. Like if Tennessee takes a second loss, then Tennessee's rest of the season, they have to win Alabama. Same thing with them, Georgia. If Georgia loses Texas this weekend, they play Ole Miss November 9. That will be an elimination game because Ole Miss has two losses.

I like the fact that there's a little bit of wiggle room, too. Yeah, you have a, if you have a bad loss to a Vanderbilt, guess what? You can let that slide for Vanderbilt.

By the way. It's not about.

They're not, they're not.

Yeah.

They turned out not be there.

Five. Yeah.

Because their quarterback is legit. Legit. But I like the fact that there's a little bit of room for makeup if you're one of these top teams. Like if you, in years past, if you lose a game in October, guess what, chances are pretty good. If you have one loss, you might, especially in your conference. If it's Georgia that's better than you, or if it's Alabama that's better than you, chances are pretty good you're not going to get to have a meaningful postseason game. And now I, I mean, I'm very excited for the playoff. The playoff is electric because it does.

Feel like there's a lot of teams that are, again, outside of Texas. And we'll find out how, just how, if Texas is that much better than everyone this weekend against Georgia. But it does feel like there's five or six teams that are kind of all in that same spot that could beat anyone. Could beat anyone on any Saturday. Whereas in the past it's been like, all right, well, it's Alabama, Georgia and maybe Clemson when they were rolling, or Ohio State when they were rolling.

That, that Ohio State Oregon game was so good.

It was the perfect college football game. It was the, the weather, the, the sun setting, the vibes, the big plays back and forth.

Puddles.

Puddles. And I didn't walk away from that game. So there's two ways to think about. Obviously, Ohio State fans are going to say, same old Ryan day. He comes up short in these big time games. He's two and seven now against top five opponents. He has had some close calls. Obviously, that playoff game where they, they missed the kick against Georgia, there was a one against Clemson as well. They've had some close calls. They. They find a way to come up short in these big moments, though, that has to nag Ryan day and Ohio State fans. But I went away from that game being like, Ohio State is still one of the best teams in the country. They lost by one point in a really tough environment. I can't wait to watch these two teams play again.

I think that throughout the years of Pac twelve, for those people that don't stay up after dark to watch the Pac twelve games, you lose track of what a hard place to play Eugene is. It's a very, very tough stadium. He had the twelve men on the field in the moment. I don't know about you, big cap, but I saw that and I was like, that's. That's the buddy Ryan Polish goal line defense. Intentionally put twelve guys out there, but kind of stupid. And then people said, no, it's not. That was a mistake by the defense. Then landing kind of confirmed that they did on purpose. And now the NCAA is looking into punishing Oregon for doing that, which would be crazy. There already is a punishment for it. It's called having too many men on the field.

Five yards.

And that's what's in the rulebook. If you want to. I feel like if you. If you want to punish them more, you have to change the rule before the next season starts and don't, like, punish them for breaking a rule intentionally.

No, it was your rule. So Dan Lennon coached, great game. He's got insane talent in Oregon. He's an awesome coach. Like, he's one of those coaches, if you watch, like, this guy was born to coach college football at a high, high level. I weirdly think that twelve men, which was intentional because they took a time out right before to assume in the big moment that he doesn't have control of, like, who's on the field. But weirdly, unlike Buddy Ryan, where the whole point of the polish defense with Buddy Ryan is, it's a goal line situation. So every time you get a penalty, you're. You're never going to get into the goal or into the touchdown end zone with a penalty. So you just go like an inch. An inch? An inch. If will Howard had. If Will Howard had looked up and done quick mental math and spiked that ball, it would have backfired.

Yeah.

Cause that would have been the play.

Or if he had slid like two yards earlier.

No, no, but I'm saying, like, on that play. Cause if he. If he sees it as twelve men and he just spikes it. They call the penalty because that whole point was Oregon got four or 5 seconds, burned off the clock and only had to give up five yards. There was a world where will Howard, if he had been aware of it, it could have backfired him.

I feel like that's a lot to ask of a quarterback in real time because you're probably looking at coverages trying to figure out where you're going with the ball.

I don't know.

And to also be able to count 123456 and get up to twelve and be certain of, because imagine if you were wrong. Imagine if there were.

But there was twelve. That's more them all playing and it was a dead ball situation is off a timeout. So it wasn't like he was rushing to the line.

The co that's on like the coach to call that out on the quarterback.

That might Ryan day was, he was yelling it.

It might be a lot to ask if you're the quarterback looking at that in real time to know for a factor twelve.

So Ryan Day should have yelled.

He should yell louder. Yeah, maybe the beard got in the way.

Yeah, he came, he came up just a little bit, a little short there. That's just Ohio State. That's like that. That's the Ryan day Ohio State. He preaches all the time like leave no doubt. That's his big mantra. Leave no doubt in the big games. And they keep having these moments and I just think, I don't know if it's because, yeah, will howard like he's trying to make a play, but is that something where Ryan Day should have explained it to him? Like, hey, look, this is exactly how much time you have. You have to make sure.

I think that's on will howard during the play to get down well, time left like just two, three yards earlier, leave 2 seconds on the clock.

But it goes back to member last year when Ohio State beat Notre Dame and that big game and Ryan Day went after Lou Holtz and stuff. There was another moment in that game that was like Ryan day just feels like he, he's doing the things that some of these coaches, high level, high level coaches in urban Meyer, Jim Harbaugh, Bill Belichick, these guys. Nick Saban would never make this mistake. The that game, Ohio State scored a touchdown with 1 second left to go up two and he kick the extra point. That was so stupid. He never should have kicked the extra point. They should kneel it. Because the only way that Notre Dame has a chance to tie this game or is to block the extra point and run it back for you. Like, those are the little details that Ryan Dejes misses and. Yeah, it's just. But I, again, I think Ohio State still going to. Will Howard played well. Dylan Gabriel. I wish Dylan great gabriel. I said it in the moment. He's one of those guys. I want, I want him to just have a job for life in college football.

Like Cam rising.

Yeah, he should Cam rising say that eight years is too much.

Well, he's eligible, though.

Yeah, but he said eight years.

We can change his mind.

He also just gets injured every single time he plays. So I can't, I don't, I like Cam rising. I can't have Cam rising in my life anymore.

Eight years. I think we can change his mind. Cam, college football is better with you in it.

He came back from an injury that we was, that was cloudy and everyone didn't really know what happened and then got rolled up on in the first, like five minutes of the game against Arizona State. Arizona State, by the way. And so here's my last point about the bigger college football you have now. All these teams that in last year's iteration or, you know, before with the 14 playoff would never, you would never say they're still in it. But like an Arizona state, they got one loss, they're still in it. SMU, Texas Tech, like some of these teams that like, they don't play in the big, in the Big Ten or the SEC, if they catch a loss, they're never going to get in Wazoo, who's an independent. They run the table. They have a chance. Like Clemson, obviously. They, they probably will win the ACC.

Do we forget about Clemson?

No, I have not. They've been killing people.

I think as a, as a collective society, we have forgotten about Clem.

I have not, because I've been betting on them and they've been winning every single week. Yeah.

Clemson just, they, they tricked us.

Well, they just aren't as good as Georgia.

Yeah.

And, but it's just, it feels like there are so many games every single weekend that are high level games and there are more teams that are now in the mix and have a chance. I just, I love it. I think college football is in a great place. And I know that there was a lot of people who were worried in the direction was going to. I love it.

I don't know anybody, though, that was worried about the playoff. Like, I was just guaranteed good times.

Our guy, Tom Fernelli.

Yeah, Tom.

For, there was a lot of people.

He'S the former college football expert, Maple's.

Co host, Ari, who I like and is very smart guy. He doesn't like it. Like, there's a lot of people who didn't like the playoff because they. The big argument was the regular season. The reason why college football is so fun is the regular season matters more than every other sport. The regular season is still awesome.

I think sometimes college football, like the die hard, die hard, pure college football fans, are resistant to any change that makes it even comparable to the NFL.

But there was a lot of push I did here.

We're not the NFL. We don't need a playoff. Yeah, playoffs are good. Guess what? College basketball has the best playoff.

Yeah.

In the world. Maybe you could take a page from their. Their book and be like, yeah, we'll include a couple more teams just for Mac. You're gonna get so many more viewers, too, in December and January. It's gonna be awesome. And Texas, to me, Texas will learn a lot about them this weekend, and I feel like they're inevitable. I feel like this is Texas and then everybody else.

Yeah, this will be. This will be the big weekend. Georgia will be a big test for.

Them because the red river s out.

Is.

Is the one game where no matter which team is good and which team might be having somewhat of a down year, it's usually a lot closer than that. Oklahoma couldn't do shit.

Oklahoma's in a bad, bad spot. They got no offense line. They got no quarterback, no wide receivers.

Maybe no coach.

Maybe no coach. Penn State, too. We should mention James Franklin with. I wouldn't say it was like a statement win because USC is not like a top ten team right now, but still, the way that game was going, it felt like another fall on your face. James Franklin moment. Down 20 to six and a half, Tyler Warren with one of the craziest days. He had 17 catches, like 242 yards. He wears number 44, which is awesome. He played running back, quarterback, wide receiver, tight end and center. Took snaps at all of those positions.

Sean Payton's definitely going to draft him.

It was awesome. That was an awesome, awesome game. It was. And then, so it turned. It flipped from, uh oh, here goes James Franklin again to uh oh, stink and riley.

Yeah. Lincoln Riley.

Fence.

Hot seat.

Colin Coward.

Big time, big time hot seat for you.

I'll pull up the Colin Coward.

The Colin Coward video is one of.

The weirdest, juiciest video of all time. Did you see this video?

I did, yeah.

Oh, my God. I think he's playing a character to be a douche, but he nailed the character. All right.

I'm playing it.

Some of you guys are gonna. Oh, Lincoln Riley, an apology. I don't know if these big ten.

Teams can handle coming out west, the.

Sunshine, the distractions of LA. Probably not. Look at the halftime score.

On it.

Kosmouse.

Other in a commercial.

Whatever.

I don't hold grudges.

Apologies accepted.

Look at the halftime score.

He sounds like Joel McHale playing Craig Kilborn.

Yeah, look at the halftime score. I don't hold grudges. Yeah, I mean, he's playing a character there, but it worked because it pissed me off seeing that, and then it was just an all time old takes exposed Lincoln Riley.

I feel like. I feel like this might be time to ask some tough questions if you're a trophy.

Yeah, yeah, they. I mean, they're. They've been in all the games. It's not like they're getting embarrassed, but, yeah, they've. Their. Their defense, which is better, has failed them late.

The good thing if you're Lincoln Riley, though, is you can always. It's kind of like coach Cal in the NBA for Lincoln Riley. He can get the best quarterback recruits in the country by saying, like, here's who I've coached. They're all in the NFL. So every year, even if he has a down year, he's already reloading with a five star. And then you're afraid to fire Lincoln Riley because you might lose that quarterback.

Yeah, that's facts. Good job for life. We also had Mike Gundy in his bye week. Got headbutted by a bull.

I saw that.

Yeah, a cow, which was awesome.

He's got a bloodshot eye.

Yeah, Mike, tough year.

He's had bloodshot eyes thousands of times.

Thousands of times behind the wheel. We should give an update, Tyler. Our Travis hunter did get hurt, but I've.

It's fine.

Reached out sources. I texted Deon. I said, is he okay?

Said, yeah, okay. All right. Best football player in the country.

He didn't say whether he was your start or anything, but he just said. I just said, is he okay?

Probably should know. I think they just said that he's gonna play.

Okay, great.

Good.

All right. I. Now that I'm playing it back in my head, I probably should have asked a more direct question than, is he okay?

No, that's all I need.

Is he okay? Just like. Yeah, he's okay. He's going to be fine.

That's all I need to say.

Travis Hunter just.

No, I said, is Travis Hunter okay?

Yes, he's fine. Also, Billy Napier is a coward, an absolute coward.

Yeah.

For the way that Tennessee Florida game ended.

Yeah.

You have your backup quarterback in.

Yeah.

I think you had your backup running back in. Right?

Yeah.

Your big underdogs against, you might say, you know, top three, biggest rival. But it's always a rivalry game. Every year means a lot. But you have a much worse team to begin with, and I don't know about that.

Tennessee is not.

I think. I think Tennessee is definitely better than Florida.

They are, but they're not what we thought they were.

Oh, no. Tennessee is not, like, a top three team in the country. But my point is, if you're Florida, you're playing with all those factors against you, against a much better team than you agreed in their house.

Agreed.

And then you get to the end of regulation, and you have an opportunity to go for two and have one play from two yards out to win the game. You typically want to take that. What he did, what Billy Napier did, I think he sent, like, a fake. A fake extra point team out onto the field. Right. Like, he set up in a weird swinging gate type formation.

Yep.

And then they called a timeout, and Billy Napier's like, ah, you got me. Okay, I'll just kick it then.

I guess you're getting fired anyway.

Dude, dude, just win the game. Just try to win the game. That. That would be such a good way for people to at least have one good memory of you from your last season, is if you beat Tennessee, who had national championship aspirations at the start of the season. If you beat them in their house, good for you. People might not. You might be able to open up a car dealerships ville one day.

Yeah. Yeah. No, he's getting fired anyway. This is so stupid. It's so stupid. Ashton Genti, also. Yeah. He keeps playing really well. There's nothing I could.

He's so good. I'm done pretending to, but his games are super late.

What? What beams? Did you bet him?

No, I said to Max, I was like, he didn't play that well. Then he's like, he had over 200 yards.

Yeah. The only thing he did, he did.

It at, like, two in the morning. That's the only thing we can say. We're basically at the point where he's so good, all we can do is just root for time zones.

Well, I'm rooting for time zones, and I'm also rooting for him to take into account his future earnings.

Yeah.

And hopefully. Hopefully just maximize his NFL potential.

Boys, he's playing for a playoff spot.

I know.

Also, memes mentioned army, Navy, both ranked.

Yes. Yep. Which is awesome. And they both played Notre Dame. So those will be elimination games. I would love for Army Navy to get into the college football playoffs.

Yeah, I think if, if one of those two teams finishes the season undefeated, I think they will be in it.

Yeah. Yeah. Because. Yeah, they. Yeah. And we.

For big twelve, chaos. And for Navy to get a buy.

What if. What if. Would that be? Yeah. Would that be the, the craziest sports story maybe ever? If, let's say army won the first expanded playoffs.

Yeah.

If they won four games in a row against all the big dogs, that would probably go down as the craziest sports story ever.

I think the coolest thing ever it would be if they were both undefeated going into army Navy game. The winner goes the.

No, they're not allowed to count that.

Well, it already announced the playoff before that.

That sucks.

Yeah.

Cuz that would be the coolest thing ever.

You know, they should change that. What if the loser of that game is the team that gets in to and then the winner of that game is undefeated and then they have to sit at home. The troops deserve better.

I. Yeah, I don't know.

It would also rock if they should change that. What if army got a home game at West Point? That would be awesome, wouldn't it?

That would be awesome.

It'd be good for America.

Oh, maybe it's not. Wins Army Navy.

I think it's right after they make the announcement.

Army Navy 2024. Yeah, it's so. No, it's the week before I. The Sunday, December 8 is when they announce it and then Army Navy plays the next week. Sucks. But maybe they'll both get in.

Yeah, I want one of them to.

Get in so bad.

That would be.

Again. It would be that. It would be one of the craziest sports stories of all time. If they ran the table and they just triple option. Imagine, imagine army going and triple optioning Ohio State to death with, with linemen that weigh like, you know, 100 pounds less than their linemen.

Yeah, army would get all the calls too.

They would have to. Yeah, we'd have to also, Max, did you see that one video there's going semi viral? USC does a thing where if you donate a certain amount of money, you get to run out with the team and a Penn State fan did it and was just running in full Penn State gear. So how do they not think that through?

That's how.

That's how much money that cost.

It was like 1500 bucks. Not that much.

I love that.

It's crazy. Like so, so stupid and it also, I watched the whole video. Like, that's an awesome thing to get to do to run out. You run out. Right. I think they ran out either right after the team or right before it. Still, the, the chem trails of the, the flyover and everything and everyone going crazy. That's a once in a lifetime thing.

Where's this guy? Was he wearing like full ads?

Look at him.

Oh, yeah, he's just full bend.

Stinky is running out and it's just all other USC, a couple of USC like boosters and stuff running with him, but he's just screaming, we are, as he runs out of the tunnel.

I love that.

Yeah, they got to think that one through. Got to think that one through next time. And we have a huge slate on Saturday. Again, this is what I'm saying. Like, I know that a lot of these games would happen anyway, but. Well, no, Texas Georgia would not have happened.

Would definitely not.

Right. So Purdue Oregon wouldn't happen this weekend.

Yeah.

Everyone's ready for West Purdue Oregon Friday night. That's purdue Oregon, purdue Oregon, west Lafayette. Wow. That sounds like you don't have it on your calendar.

No, that's the one. That's the one. Cuz, we're talking about that on Sunday.

Spoiler, mate.

The spoiler makers, they play one fucked up game every year.

I don't know if that. That might have been the Illinois game.

Friday under the lights in West Lafayette.

They were down like three scores a halftime and it went to overtime and lost by three. That might have been a stadium of.

60,000 dudes screaming at you.

Yeah. We're also going to find out what Indiana is made of because they've been a great story. But they played absolutely no one and they played Nebraska this week, coach Siggs. Yeah, but this is like the first.

I told Will Compton before the season started, I said, when do you guys play Indiana? Because he was counting his wins and losses. I said, that's going to be a big game. He laughed at me. Will Compton laughed at me.

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Is Joel Embiid's passion slash love for the fans.

What do you mean?

He did an interview and he said that if I had to guess, I would probably never play back to backs the rest of my career.

Oh, but that's okay. They got Paul George.

Yeah, they got Paul George.

Yes. He okay?

He hyper extended his knee last night.

Oh, no. Playoff pcl.

You guys are preseason p. He's fine. We would.

We do back to back podcast.

He's fine.

Yeah.

And I know we actually don't.

Yeah, we do. Labor Day every year. We go back to back.

You're probably on vacation.

We don't do load management here.

I would do this show every day for free.

Remember when we started this show and people were like, every day? That would have been a mistake.

Yeah. Also, we used to record it, like, 07:00 in the morning.

Yeah.

Just once.

Mistake.

Mistake. Yeah.

I mean, it's the people. People pay a lot of money to. I do games.

They're.

They're big fans of his, and he's basically telling the fuck off.

I feel bad for fans of Philly. Would prefer him to be healthy in the playoffs.

Yeah, but that's not a guarantee. Yeah, and when he does, I'll take.

I'll take my chances. Anything to increase chances of him being healthy.

So why does he just not play till the playoffs?

Well, no one's will know. What. No.

He's got a 39 year old. Tim Duncan. Played 16 back to backs in the 15.

Max, answer me this. You just said you would do anything to increase his chances to be healthy for the playoffs. He should just not play till the playoffs.

But then he wouldn't be in game shape.

Okay, but he will. He'd be healthy.

But what is game. What is game shape for Joel Embiid, though? He usually gets injured.

Sounds like you wouldn't do anything to increase his health for the playoffs.

No, because he had. Because we wouldn't get to the playoffs.

So how many gate. Well, yeah, you would. The playoffs last year.

Not without Joel Embiid.

But you were, like, a lot.

Yeah, but he.

They were, like, the best. P is playoff P. Okay?

Playoff P is fine. He said that he's fine. And the knee.

The knee went and pretty far backwards.

Well, the.

The tests say that he's fine.

What tests?

They.

He got tests on his knee.

Okay, wait.

I'm. It been pretty far, Max.

I. Well, he's fine.

Are you sure he's fine?

He said he's fine.

The test.

The test said he's fine.

Test said he's fine.

And it's fucking it. Season hasn't even started yet. Who cares if he missed three games in October?

Is. Is Joe MB practicing and playing right now?

He doesn't need to be playing, so.

But what about game shape?

He'll. That's throughout the year. It's October.

But he has. He's not even practicing.

Don't care.

Sounds like. Like he might not be ready for game shape, and that's how you can get injured.

I do feel bad for LeBron James, though, who tweeted this out during the preseason, said, can someone please explain to me while we're getting on a plane and heading to Milwaukee for one preseason game. And then all the replies to him were, because it's your job. Because you get paid millions of dollars to do this.

Yeah. And you're literally. You. You made it a family vacation.

Yeah. Also, Bronny should get his own skin in call of duty.

Yeah.

Come on, activision.

Let's do it. It was your cool draw.

Oh, my.

That was you. You overreacted, Max. Just from Hank just doing a hot seat.

That's not true, boys. Just got to get ready for the playing tournament. You know, we're focused on that. Or not. The playing. The in season tournament.

Got it circled, got a circle.

My cool throne.

I don't think Paul George's knees gonna be fine. I don't think it's usually the Sixers when they say that when their players knees is fine, it ends up nothing being fine.

Agreed. My cool throne are space nerds slash rockets.

Yeah.

Mm hmm.

They caught a rocket.

The mechazilla has caught the super heavy booster.

Love it.

Mm hmm.

I was curious. Pft, because you're a plane guy, does that carry over to rockets?

Does being a plane guy carried rocket? No. I don't know shit about rockets.

But you're like, yeah, when you're obsessed with planes. I don't know if you like, when.

You see, I've a normal, healthy interest in planes. I.

The video was cool, but people in it apparently was like, you know, a historic thing that happened where they basically got a rocket to land, and the.

Nerds freaking out was so funny.

Yeah, I wish, I wish. I wish I could, you know, see that video and feel the passion that they felt, because there was a lot of passion and excitement over this rocket. It looked to me like, basically they just took a rocket taking off and just reversed it, which is so. I don't know what.

That's a fake video.

No, but I just don't know. I I was trying to see the hype.

Mm hmm. I think, what the.

And I didn't think we're. If you're. If you're a nerd, space nerd, or a rocket freak.

Like, I think guys like you and I might be desensitized to it, Hank, because we've seen Sci-Fi videos our entire life, right. We've seen movies about outer space. We've seen video games of rockets taking off and shit. And so seeing that happen in real life, when I've seen it a million times on an Xbox, is, like, less exciting than it should be, because he did fire a rocket up into the stratosphere or whatever, and then came down and got caught. So that means that now you can reuse rocket boosters, which is good.

Yeah, I. I saw this video, and I was like, I'm very dumb, obviously. I was like, why didn't they just do that the whole time?

Yeah.

Catch the rocket.

Well, that's what Elon said when we were throwing away all our boosters. He's like, why don't we just bring it back?

Yeah, just catch him. It's not. It's not hard. Catch them.

What's the thing called? The mechazilla.

The mechazilla was what caught it. It caught the super heavy booster.

Okay.

I think it's a good thing.

Yeah.

I mean, people, the space nerds are excited about it, so whatever keeps Elon.

Busy making cool shit like this and away from making just humanoid robots that one day will take all of her jobs.

That's bezos.

I'm fine. No, no, do you see the Tesla thing?

Oh, the cab.

Well, the cab. And then he also.

The cab was kind of cool.

No, the cab was okay. Then they had the robots that were, like, walking around. Oh, yeah, the robot bartender. Yeah, miss fuck that robot bartender. By the way, if I go into a bar and there's a robot bartender, I'm doing one of two things. I'm either walking out or I'm putting a magnet on it. I'm gonna start carrying around magnets.

Just up.

Although I do think it would be a good idea if barstool sports got one of the robot butlers. Yeah, I think that would be a good use of our money.

I would like that. Good job, Hank.

Thanks.

You didn't steal mine, which I thought you would.

Great job, Hank. Thanks. My hot seat is also having to do with preseason basketball. My beloved wizards, who are losing every game by an average of 30 points, which is crazy, but I'm excited because, first of all, I feel bad for Corey Kispert. I like Corey Kispert. We should trade Corey Kispertz and then just run a NBA jam style two man team of Kuzma and Jordan pool out there every game.

Yep.

And then just lose every game because I've already decided that Cooper flags gonna be mine.

What happens about the lottery, though?

Cooper flag. Cooper flag.

Lottery.

Cooper flag happens in the lottery.

I don't want you get hurt.

Cooper flag.

The lottery.

It's Cooper. I'm. I'm all in. I'm on Cooper flag watch right now in DC.

But the lottery balls could not go your way.

No, that's not gonna happen.

Literally never gotten the lottery ball.

That's not gonna happen.

You're used to football, tankathon.

Yeah.

But it's still math.

You flat, but you're singled on one guy right now.

What's the percentage chance that you get if you have the worst record?

I think it's like 20%.

Yeah, 20%.

Changed it recently to avoid teams, like fully tanking. So it's not as high. Yeah, 14. Was it 14? Yeah, 14% and they flattened it. So it's like the top three worst teams. So they basically try to avoid this. Now, again, I don't want to bring up anything bad, but you've literally never gotten the lottery.

This lot, it. Answer me this. Is this the lottery machine that they use for the NBA draft?

It's basically the same thing.

I got the other one. All I'm saying is I've never, I've never been as confident, I've never been as confident in my life of anything as the fact that the Wizards are going to get Cooper flag.

Okay.

I'm going to be so happy.

Wizards, Nets, pistons, and I believe from a quick glance, bulls are the four lowest projected wind totals. And I feel like.

I don't think you saw the news ball. Lonzo's back, baby.

No, I work but once you want. I mean, if, you know.

Yeah.

You'd rather be in the bottom four.

Yeah. I don't think their bulls are going to be good.

The Nets also.

And if it's those four, it's going to be the Pistons or the. I mean, the Nets are the Bulls.

Yeah.

I was the net.

The NBA is going to rig the NBA.

Rig it for the Bulls. They would bring it for the Bulls.

The Nets, they have. The Nets beat us by 30 points last night. I think preseason, maybe 35.

But again, if it's the three, they flattened it.

It doesn't matter. I just, I had a feeling. I got this feeling last night that Cooper flag is going to be wizard and it's going to happen. I've never been more confident anything. Would you.

Oh, I was wrong.

It's.

It's Netsley Blazers, wizards, pistons.

I was a bull zone. Bulls are gonna be mystical, halfway decent ish, bad.

Nets, blazers, they're gonna be like, it's. If it's you, if it's you. Blazers in.

Pistons, you got a chance. Yeah. Pistons always just get the fifth pick. What you're gonna say, max, do you.

Still want to have the worst record? I feel like you do. Because I feel like you still think that that will help you?

Yeah, it does help.

I think when you first thought it, you thought it was just straight as an worst record is the. You get it.

You didn't think I knew what the NBA lottery was?

I don't know.

Just said, it does help you. It doesn't know.

It does help you to have a worst record.

No, the worst.

I know it's not the worst is not. I know it's not the top team.

You.

You just need to be the one of the worst three.

One of the worst story. I completely understand. And each team has, was it 14%?

Yeah.

Yeah. I completely understand the concept. I'm just telling you that I know that we're gonna get Cooper Flydeh vibes.

Okay, good.

I respect vibes on vibes.

What if Cooper flags not the first pick?

It doesn't. Then that we're gonna get him anyway will be.

What if he stinks? That means that would be funny.

We'll pick second, and we'll get. We'll get Cooper flag.

What if the flag could not play this whole year?

What if the Wizards were somehow good but Cooper flag sucked?

There's that.

And then you got Cooper flag with, like, the 17th pick.

Of all the unlikely things happen in the world for both of them to the same time. That's what that means.

Funny, because then you would kiss you. Because you. You. You're gonna get credit if you get Cooper flag, but you get a lot more credit if you got Cooper flag with the 17 pick.

With the 17th pick, then be scouting on my pick.

Well, that would also be just an insane vibes call.

Yeah.

He'd also probably have one leg, if that was the case.

17Th pick for the wit. That means that we settle down over there.

I know. You know, you got a dream team.

No, I mean, there's a chance that. That he's not the first pick overall next year. Crazier things have happened, which is a guy, bub.

The Pistons have gotten the fifth pick. How many years? Row three. And they've been the worst team, I think two out of three.

I'm. I'm willing to tell you right now, I will stand on this hill, and I will plant my representative banner to say that we're getting flagged.

He's gonna have Jerry tweet about it.

Why? Oh, yeah.

What I love.

This is very smart of you, because if you don't get Cooper flag, there's literally no downside. Yeah.

Disappointment.

You've risked nothing.

No, but this is. This is great. If I get it right, smart play.

And I'm gonna say, I. I'm gonna get no flag.

You're not gonna get Cooper. That's impossible. And.

Well, sure.

Well, the Celtics are out of the Cooper flag running. I'll say that, too.

Yeah. You know, one less team off the big board.

One less team to worry about.

We'll take. We'll take our names out to. Sixers are outd.

What if Charles bead.

Nick's out.

Knicks are out.

Listen, that we've just. Now that 14% has just become, like, 14.12%.

It's huge.

I love this shit.

Huge.

Yeah. I mean, listen, nothing would bring me back faster as a wizards fan than Cooper flag.

Okay. What's your cool throne?

My cool throne is being you, big cat, respecting the troops.

Oh, yeah.

So when we had Paul Skienes on, we did that interview on September 4.

Yeah.

After his start, I said I'd match his hundred dollar per strikeout donation to the Gary sinise foundation.

I said, I double.

Did you say that you double think so? I said, I think. I said I would not match your double. I think I said, I'm just matching. So I owe $2,800 Gary Sinise's, but I just paid it.

How much?

2800.

On that?

Yeah. So, big cat, you owe 5600.

All right.

It's a good foundation I'm donating right now for the troops. Yeah, we respect the troops on this show. We want them in the playoff.

Shout out, Paul Skeens.

Yeah, we're gonna do it.

Those gas he does was.

That was, like, a lyric?

Yeah, it sounded like. It was literally.

You sounded like you were who ynw?

Henry be a good name for you.

All right. My hot seat, which I think I thought Hank would take. But I guess maybe we're so close to basketball season that he's just. He's taking his eye off the. The ball. The golf ball. The hot seat is a Ryder cup. People are very upset about the prices for the upcoming Ryder cup next summer at Beth Page. They have. They released one of their packages, which I believe includes food and no alcohol. But it's $750 for a day. For a day. And now, normally I would say, listen, golf fans probably have expendable money because they're going on golf trips and all that stuff, but this is such a fuck you and a mistake to trying to get a home field advantage. If you price out your rowdy New Yorkers who want to go to the Ryder cup and scream heinous shit at all the Europeans, you've completely ruined this.

Agreed.

So figure it out. Ryder cup the common man needs to be at Beth Page going absolutely bonkers in Rory's face.

We should. We should put together some sort of a, like, adopt a golf fan drive.

Where we have the most obnoxious ones.

Yeah, the most obnoxious. Like the guy that was wearing the Lamar Jackson jersey that walked through the streets of Baltimore guy, but just gets. Get the most rowdy fans ever. And then put them up at Stu Finer's house and have Stu smoke them out and drop them off at.

We don't smoke them out.

Well, with Stu's shit, I don't.

I think we need him. I think we needed to have him drink everclear.

Okay, well, we can do that.

Get him fucking crazy and do that, too.

But put them up at Stu finders house.

Yeah.

And have Stu get them nice and warmed up.

Yeah, we just do it.

Do a bus service back and forth.

The Ryder cup. You. You have to have a home field advantage. You have to have drunk people going nuts, especially in America. I know Europe, they may be a little bit nicer. Not us. This is bullshit. Figure it out.

I want the Europeans complaining, actively complaining.

I want Rory crying.

Yeah.

I want to see tears.

I want them saying, I'm all. I'm all for friendly competition up to a certain point.

Hank, were you not going to speak up for the common golf fan?

No.

I mean, it is bullshit. I didn't have it on my list. But I. It's also, the players aren't getting paid. Where's all that money going?

Yeah, that's a good question.

Good point. But, yeah, fix this Ryder cup, you fucking losers. We need people. We just need, like, the. Like, the. Just think of, like, the tailgated MetLife stadium. I want those people on the 18th green just going nuts. Yeah.

Jets fans. Fireman Sde.

Yeah. All right. My cool throne is our guy, Jim Harbaugh, because he said, after he did a press conference on Monday, and he said, it will, it'll take my heart stopping for me to not be out there.

Mm hmm.

So I also would like to welcome you guys, if you would like to join me. I think it's always fun when we hop on something together.

Pause.

Yeah. I've decided to put a future on the Chargers to win the super.

The soupy.

Yeah.

You're thinking soup.

I was looking last night at prices. They're 45 to one. I don't think they're gonna win the Super Bowl. I do think we'd get in a spot where they get to the playoffs, and we could potentially hitch question 45 to one is pretty crazy question, is.

There a world where we get to the playoffs and we're gonna spot the hedge where you would actually hedge?

No, but that's my sell to you guys cuz you guys could hedge.

I know that's a no for you.

Yeah, but you guys could.

Right now I'm pretty heavily tied up in 45 to one.

Cowboys are 35 to one.

Don't do it.

No, I'm looking like they think the Cowboys, Bears, Steelers have better odds than the Chargers.

The Bears do. They're foreign to the whole.

You just threw the Bears in there.

Yeah, he's a jerk. Those are the three.

It's, it goes Cowboys, Bears, Steelers. That's. I'm just reading the DraftKings.

The. I'm not saying the Chargers are gonna win the Super bowl. What I'm saying is I think the Chargers will make the playoffs.

Tell me their schedule.

Do you guys want to join me in this right now? Would they be in the playoffs standings conference right now? They would be the six seed. Right now it'd be six seed. So here's, let me lay it out for you guys. I think we can all agree that the Chiefs, the Texans, the Ravens and the Bills are going to most likely be in the playoffs. So that means there's three playoff spots for the following teams. The Steelers, the Chargers, the Colts, the Broncos, the Dolphins, the Jets and the Bengals. I think they're better than the Dolphins. I think they're better than the Colts. I think they're probably. I know they lost the Steelers, but Herbert was hurt. They're better than the Broncos. I think they're a six or seven.

See Piket. Do you remember two seasons ago when I put that, that future in on the Chargers?

I knew you're gonna bring this up.

Do you remember that?

Harbaugh changes everything.

I expected that, but I just wanted.

To remind you I knew you. I agree with you.

I think it was like, does 30 or 33 ish to one?

Yep. Matter?

And then everything that I said would happen. They made the playoffs.

Nope, Jim, they got off.

How big was it?

That was the charge.

And I stopped saying the word chargers.

And that was the charge.

They were the c words.

Yeah, that was the Chargers. This is Jim Harbaugh's.

It's Jim Harris.

Jim Harbaugh's football team.

I. That it does make a little bit of a difference.

It makes an enormous difference.

But the last time I smashed that button, he's. I was unhappy.

Okay, here, I'll give you the schedule real quick. I looked at all last night.

Okay. This is all I need, by the way. It's just a schedule.

At the Cardinals.

Yep.

Saints at home.

Yep.

At the Browns, Titans, Bengals. That's their next five games.

I'm in.

I'm in.

Yeah. That's all I need. I just needed to hear that.

Yeah, I did the schedule last night. I think they're gonna get, I think they're gonna get to ten wins and then we'll figure it out when we get there. 45 to one's crazy. And I also think that it's gonna go. I think you might even be able to cash out in four weeks time. Cuz I think they could probably win their next four games and if they're sitting there, it's. What does that face?

I'm not cashing out in four weeks.

Okay. I'm just, I'm giving you guys options. And also pft, I didn't finish. So they do have a little tough stretch where they have to play. Ravens, Falcons, Chiefs, bucks, but then they finish the season at home with the Broncos, at Patriots, at Raiders.

Okay.

So last three weeks of the season, they should, I think they're going to make the playoffs again. I don't think they're going to win the Super bowl, but you could hedge and 45 to one and it's Jim harbor and he literally just had a heart attack on the sideline and he won the game.

He had. Yeah. Is what do you have the arrhythmia to know and arrhythmias.

Shane. Shane's gonna be very upset when he finds out about this.

I'm gonna need, I'm gonna need some of his merch.

And it's a fun team because it's not a team like I was looking, I was like, the Ravens again, I think the Ravens probably win the Super bowl, but again, like, to go through that, you can't do the Chiefs niners. I, you know, the price is too low. I was just trying to find one of those teams that's just way in the back.

Whoever wins the. The Bears commanders match up. They're going to skyrocket, too. Probably on the odds on at least some of the playoff odds form which got flexed, by the way. Yeah, so we're the afternoon, we're 315 415 Eastern Bears commanders. There's something we should keep our eye out on that, too, because there's a tie in every four years with the commanders last home game or the election. Yeah. Before the election. Yeah. So it's the commanders last game before the election. If they win, if Washington wins, then I think it's the incumbent party wins the White House. If they lose, then whoever the rival party is, they win the White House.

So if you, this year person, you're.

Rooting for the Bears, you're rooting for the Bears. All Trump people are rooting for the Bears this weekend or in two weeks, and then all the, all the, the Democrats are rooting for the commander.

So it's home game.

I. Let's see. It might just be last game because.

The Giants, they play the Giants before the election.

Oh, they do?

Yeah.

So it might not be that. It might just be the Giant. When's the election?

The 6th, I think. Fourth? Six.

Let me see. I'm gonna have to listen to today's episode. We don't figure that out.

Fifth. The fifth.

Okay. Anyway, maybe it's not that game.

Yeah. But. Yeah, they did flex it. I did. I was so scared. They're gonna flex it tonight. I did not want a night game. I'm not. I was having this discussion with Eddie and Chief and White Sox Dave. Like, I don't. I need Caleb Williams to be good for a couple years before I start actively rooting for night games. Yeah.

I don't want people to look.

I don't. I hate having all eyes on the bears and just everyone looking and being like, ha, ha, ha. Don't need that.

And also, if it was a night game, whoever won that game, real, really, whoever lost that game, there would be so many people just being like, your quarterback sucks. No matter what. They're gonna do that, and they're both.

Good no matter what.

Also, I am glad that they caught that Ravens fan. Oh, yeah, he's fucking that guy's big piece of shit.

Yeah.

Hope he goes to prison.

Okay, let's get to our interview with Tom Coughlin. Great interview. Pft. You got a quick ad before we get there?

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Okay. We now welcome on a very, very, very special guest. He is two time Super bowl champion head coach Tom Coughlin, future Pro Football hall of Fame member. I will get to that because you should be in the hall of fame. Coach, thank you so much for joining us. We have to start with the fact that, true to form, you joined the zoom ten minutes early, so we appreciate that. We should have expected it. So can we start with Coughlin time? Because it's. It's. It's obviously something that. The lore of Coughlin time goes everywhere. What exactly are the rules to Coughlin time? And thank you for following them.

The rules are you're five minutes early and if not, you're going to get fined. That's all there is to it. Straight hands. Famous deal. I was two minutes early and three minutes late. That was his quote. Yeah, yeah. That's all it is. You know, really, the significance of that whole situation is I want people who are so interested in what they're doing and who they are and being the best that they can be that they don't. They don't. They are. They're there early. They're there to show their enthusiasm and their desire to succeed. That's where that all came from.

Yeah.

And is it true that the clocks in the facility would actually be set? I heard they were 15 minutes early.

No, no, they were all five minutes early. Everything was five minutes ahead of time.

So would you go around looking at the clocks and holding up your watch and be like, that's not. That clock's not fast enough, we need to adjust?

I didn't have to do that. They were. They were right on because I had people assigned to that.

Yeah. So you were basically, you. You were living in the future constantly.

Yeah, maybe I was trying to be ahead of it, that's for sure.

Yeah. So you've had a back to back weekends where you've had incredible honors. I want to. I want you to tell me which one was, was more important to you. You were put into the, the pride of the jaguars, which is like the jaguars ring of Honor. And then the next week, you got a bobblehead night for the giants and Bengals. Which one, which one was more impactful to you personally?

Well, you, you can't make those kinds of differentiations. They're both, um. And to be in the pride of the jaguars, I started the franchise. And so, as I explained to everyone that would listen, it was like my baby, Wayne Weaver, had extended to me the opportunity to start a franchise. And the more and more that I thought about it during the time we were speaking, the more I was interested in the historical significance of that. And I think the real deal breaker is when Mister Weaver said to me, now we want to fashion ourselves after the Dallas Cowboys. At that time, it was Jimmy Johnson. So you would like personnel as well, right? I said, yeah, I would like very much to have personnel. So that's the way that started. But the significance with the New York Giants of the hundred years, if you can imagine that, 100 years of New York giant football. And on the occasion of a celebration recognizing the 2000, 720, eleven world championship teams, they were giving out bobblehead dolls, which happened to be my fixture. I don't know how you recognize it with this mug, but anyway, it was.

It was. I knew it was coming and we had some fun with it. We had some people do supposedly funny things. The funniest of which was stray hand, in which he reviewed the time that I find him for bent, you know, two minutes early, three minutes late. But it was all in good humor, and I was obviously humbled by both experiences.

Do you have your bobblehead? Did you take one home?

No, I didn't get one.

What?

They wouldn't give me one.

We got to get you a bobblehead? Yeah, that would fit real nicely up there next to the two Lombardi's. That might be the most impressive thing on your mantle.

Yeah, I need that for my grandkids.

Yeah.

So going back to you starting the Jaguars from scratch, that's fascinating to me because it's like it truly is a blank slate moment where you. You build something out of nothing and you're put in charge of starting an NFL franchise from the ground up. How do you even know where to begin to start with that? How did you figure out what was important as your first thing, what would be the second thing, and how you build that out from absolutely nothing? Nothing.

Well, the interesting concept there is, when I was 23, years old, I was a head coach of the division three team that was going from club football to varsity football. And I did everything. I bought the equipment, I scheduled the games, I scheduled the transportation. I set up the preseason schedule, I set up the fraternity house that we were going to live in, et cetera, et cetera. So I had done, on a much smaller scale, that type of thing before. But remember, I was hired in February of 1994. Our first season was not till 95. So what I did was I simply set up a calendar, prioritizing the different departments that we would hire and the significance of each one of them according to the calendar. So, for example, I brought five coaches with me from Boston College, but the personnel department was the number one thing that I had to establish right away because that gave us a chance to work a year ahead of time on the evaluation of talent throughout the league, throughout the college game. So my coaches and my scouts would go out every weekend, and we would go to a college game on Saturday, me included in a pro game on Sunday, so that we got a really good feel for that.

And then as time went on, I was able to visit, you know, franchises to visit teams. And in so doing, I gathered information about, you know, Art Modell drove up to next to me in his golf cart and said to me, tom, you got your team picked. So I was there watching everything, but Mister Modell had a pretty good idea why I was there.

Yeah.

Yeah. So it was you and the Panthers at the same time. Was there any rivalry there? You just want to stay one step ahead or were you guys checking in with each other?

Well, we didn't check in with each other, but we were definitely rivals and that they built theirs. Bill Polyan was there right away, but the head coach wasn't hired until Dom wasn't hired until a year later. I was hired, and I had personnel right away in 94.

Yeah, the. So the Jaguars run was incredible. You go to two AFC championship games and. And you have had in your career. You know, obviously, everyone thinks of the 2007 Super bowl being 17 point underdogs and beating the Patriots. But the divisional game in 96 against the Broncos. Cause that was the Broncos team that then went and won two Super Bowls right after. So that was a Super bowl team. You go into mile high with the Jaguars, second year as a franchise, and you beat the Broncos as twelve point underdogs. What, what is it about those spots where you are such a big underdog and everyone's saying there's got, you got no chance? What do you tell the team beforehand, what, what are you thinking? And is there a part of you that's like, we might be in trouble today, or is it just, hey, we got to just do our thing and we might have a shot at this?

Well, what it is, for me, it's the competitiveness part of it, you know, go ahead and tell me I can't do something. That's what I always taught my team. You know, go ahead, tell me I can't do anything. And if you remember, okay, you go to 96 as an example. I mean, nobody gave us credit for anything.

Yeah.

If you remember what Woody Page said about us, he called us the Jaguads. You remember that?

Yes.

And that was, of course, plastered all over our building. But the way we looked at it was, and if you remember, we had to beat the Falcons to get in. We beat the Falcons on the week 17 where Morton Anderson missed a chip shot field goal. Actually, when he slipped, you could see him slip and missed. And we got in and then we decided, hey, and I could see the players growing and thinking, you know what? Maybe we are pretty good. Maybe we are. And so we got in and we talked about winning and went to Buffalo, played against a great personnel package, if you will, with Jim Kelly and the Buffalo Bills, and we were able to win there and on. We went to Denver with John Elway and Mike Shanahan. And, you know, if we don't beat them there, they're going to win three in a row, as you guys know.

Right.

But in that game, there are so many things. And you saw Jimmy Smith and you saw Mark Brunell Scramble and run and do all those kinds of things. And I remember, you know, we took the lead late in the game with significance. And I said to Dick Geron, our defensive coordinator, because Elway was going to score in a two minute drill. I mean, that was the thing. They did incredibly well over all the years. And I said, dick, they had no timeouts left. I said, they can score, but make sure they score under two minutes. And sure enough, that's how it happened. And so we recovered the onside kick, and the game was over. We just knelt down. But it was a one of the real important things to remember about that game, not only the fact that we won against a very, very good football team and an outstanding coach, is that when we returned from Denver, the pilot, I could tell he wasn't really going to the airport. He was heading around. And what he did is he flew over the stadium, he banked the plane. We looked down, there's 35,000 people in the stadium at 02:00 in the morning waiting for us to come back.

That's incredible things.

You remember.

Yeah, that's amazing. Didn't they throw a parade for the Jaguars, too, before the franchise even kicked off?

I think they did. They had a parade. And if you remember, when we, when we signed our first ten, they were right off the street. The Sunday morning newspaper, you thought that these were the saviors of the world and there were some good football players in there, but they were guys that were, were street free agents and we signed them early.

Yeah, you were talking about the best way to get you to do something is by telling you that you can't do it using, like, the bulletin board material. I heard a story about Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys. I think it was 2008. He might have given you a little bit of bulletin board material before that playoff game. He might have promised his players some tickets to the next round of the playoffs. And you found out about it.

That might have happened. Yeah, that might have happened. But I think the thing you need to remember first is that the 2007 season is a remarkable season. If you'll just drift back to that. At the end of zero six, the media wanted me out of town. They wanted to fire me. Everybody said, get rid of Coughlin, get him out of here, blah, blah, blah, blah. I did a lot of things much differently, but one of the things that I did do is I hired Steve Spagnolo, and Steve was with the Philadelphia staff. Andy Reid was, was congenial enough to allow me to interview Steve. And I knew we had a connection. We had both worked for Jack McNell. Steve worked for Jack over in NFL Europe. I worked for Jack in Boston College. I coached Doug Fluti. So there was a connection there. So we hired Steve, and Steve was our brand new defensive coordinator. And I really felt good about the direction that our team was going in preseason. You know, we had a leadership council. Strahan was going to retire and came back, but we promptly went out and gave up 80 points in the first two games, and we're owed two.

So when we go to Washington in week three, if we don't beat Washington, they're probably going to fire me then. But that was the way the whole thing started. It ended up, remember week 17 when we played the undefeated New England Patriots, who were going for a 160 season, and it was one heck of a football game. We played our starters, they played their starters. Of course, everybody said, you can't win. You can't win. We lost 38 35. We had the lead in the fourth quarter, but it was a great football game. And I went in and the next morning when I came into work, there was a light on my voicemail and I listened to it. It was John Madden. And John Madden was telling me how, you know, he was so proud of what we had done. He said, the NFL is not about, the NFL is about competition. It's about winning. It's about playing. It's about playing your best. You don't rest players. You don't do that. This is the greatest thing that's happened to the NFL in the last ten years and I hope they realize it over on Park Avenue, you know, that kind of a thing.

So Fox had the Super bowl that year and they had every game going in. Not one of the Fox experts ever picked us to win any game, starting in Tampa, of course, then going to Dallas. Obviously that was the second round. But when we got there, what you just mentioned, it was true. In other words, Jerry had put two tickets on each player's stool in the locker room for the NFC championship game, which would have been at home there in Dallas had Dallas won. We found out about that and of course, I just subtly mentioned it to my team and that gave him a little extra incentive, if you will. But it was, again, a heck of a football game. And if you remember, we scored just before the half. Kevin boss, you know, Eli to Kevin boss, gets it out to midfield and eventually Imani Toomer, who had a great game, started the game off with a, like a 50 yard touchdown with a catch of nothing more than a curl route, spun out of a tackle, went on and scored. But when we tied at 1010 at halftime, that really was a little bit of a dagger and we came back out and eventually won the game.

But Dallas had beaten us twice during the regular season.

Yeah. Defeat a team three times.

Did you get those tickets from the Cowboys players? You're not going to use those?

Yeah, they were, yeah, they didn't mail them to us.

So, so I, and I want to talk about more of that run, but you mentioned something there that, that I find fascinating. Obviously, it was talked about a lot, but the, oh, six season, they want you fired. You have to take a little bit off. Your fastball is basically what it was described as. Maybe, maybe don't be as difficult on the players. What, what did that look like day to day? And was that hard for you because you're, you know, you're old school football guy, football coach, where you're working the players hard, your conditioning drills, are or legendary. What was that like, though, for you to have to change it and be a little softer with the players?

Well, let me just say this to you. Every day you're alive, you better be learning. You better be learning, you better be adjusting, because things change, the world change. So I recognized some of the things that I'm talking about. Number one, basically, for me with the players, was communication. I remember real early in my giant career, I'd walk into a team meeting, I'd give them exactly what I thought, as straightforward as I possibly could, for example, how we're going to win, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then I'd go stand while the players walked by. And half the time, they weren't even on the same page with me even then. So for me, it was communication. So what we did with the players was I started a leadership council, and I had players from each position, okay, who met with me on a weekly or maybe once every two weeks, and I gave them the information they needed as players to go back into their meeting rooms and be able to educate the other players in the room as to what was coming. For example, you know how guys are about holidays and they get itchy, and if you don't get that information to people right away, then that's another hurdle you have to jump over.

And a communication thing, that might be a distraction. So, for example, I would give them the Thanksgiving schedule a week or two early, and they could cover that. So. And I would say, fellas, I don't want to hear about it after that, okay, let's. Let's get back to work and focus on what we're doing. But that was the case. Another thing I did is I spoke to the me, to the guys from the media, the print media, who were there every day, those hard working guys. And I listened to them. We took the gloves off and I said, you tell me what you don't like about me, and I'll tell you what I don't like about you. And we really came through it in such a way that I recognize I'm a blue collar guy, and I recognize that these people were as well. And I recognize I could help them a little bit without giving something important away. I did a better job with that, communicated better with the players. I communicated better with the media. You know, I laughed when it was funny, and I still made them realize, when the real stupid questions came that I wasn't real crazy about that.

But, you know, but that's how this whole thing started. And if you remember, Michael was out, didn't come into camp until right at the end of training camp. But to show you the significance of Michael Strahan, he walked in the door one day, the next day we vote for captains. He's a unanimous captain. I mean, he had leadership skills beyond which the greatest natural leader had ever been around. But that's how we started. We started zero two. And the point I made with you about the playoffs was that the Fox team of experts didn't pick us to win one game, okay? Not one. They picked Tampa as unanimously. They picked Dallas and they picked Green Bay unanimously. And of course, they. There was no way. We, we were just, we were just the other team in the Super bowl.

Yeah, yeah. It's. I mean, back against the wall. What, how, how much to that shift from 2006 to 2007? Did it help maybe that Tiki barber retired? Because you guys obviously butted heads a lot of, I don't even know if you guys speak to this day, but that, that feels like that probably helped the locker room a little bit as well. Right?

Well, that was Tiki's. Tiki's decision. And, you know, he let it be known that he was going to retire. And throughout the course of the season, he continued to let it be known. But Tiki was a heck of a football player now. But, but he retired after the zero six season.

Yeah.

We should talk about that Green Bay game because I think we've got a bunch of questions about that. Maybe the most gritty coaching performance that I've ever seen. Your face turned a shade of red. That doesn't exist in nature. During that game, you were just, you were just head butting the wind and it must have been very, very cold down there. How did you ever, did you feel cold during that game? Because we were worried about your health on tv.

First half was, was cold. The second half I didn't, I didn't feel anything. I went out pregame. Okay? I went out pregame without gloves, with a baseball cap on, you know, and I got out there for about five minutes and I thought, how the hell am I going to get back in that locker room? You know, it was, it was very cool -23 -27 windshield, whatever, whatever you fancy, you choose to pick. But we came out offensive lineman, no sleeves, you know, Eli toplexico threw the ball like it was 75 degrees. It was amazing. But one of the, one of the real good stories was in the first half, I called Lawrence Tines over next to me and we didn't look at each other. We just looked at the field and I said, lawrence, can you make a 46 yard field goal? He turned around and walked away from.

Me.

In the fourth quarter, you guys remember we actually missed two field goals. He missed one legitimate. There was a bad snap on another one. So, you know, that was one of those deals. Well, the game goes to overtime. We have the coin toss. They get the ball first. Brett Favre throws an interception on the first play. Corey Webster's got great hands. He makes the interception. He runs the ball back a little bit. Not much. We don't gain a yard. It didn't seem like we gained anything. It comes to fourth down. I don't say a word. I look at Lawrence Tinese, Orange Tines, throws his cape off, runs out on the field. I yell, field goal. Field goal. The field goal team goes out. The coach is in my ear. My, my headset are saying, no, coach, don't do that. If he misses, look at the field position. They'll have. It could have been a 55 yarder. He hit it so well. Now you remember this, and you've been in the backyard, as we all have. That ball was as hard as a rock.

Yeah.

Okay. That ball was as hard as a rock, and he hit it that well to put us, you know, in the, in the Super bowl.

So after the game, did. Did you seek medical attention? I would have been like, somebody help coach out. Like, let's get some people that were.

Interested if, you know, was it, you know, to what degree was my. Was my face that red? Was I frost bitten? And all that business?

It looked like it was melting. How long did it take to thaw?

Well, I probably. Probably till we got on the plane. I mean, we were, we were, we were. We were in there with chicken noodle soup and all that stuff right afterwards. But, of course, we had the Fox group in our locker room celebrating the. The team that was going to go to the Super bowl.

Yeah.

Winning that game warmed me up very much.

Yeah. Yeah. And then going into that Super bowl, obviously, the 180 Patriots, there were comments. Probably the only time Tom Brady's ever slipped up in the media with that famous, you know, clip where he kind of laughed at the idea that they were going to be held to 17 points. What, what, when you see that clip and your team sees that clip, like, what was the confidence level going into that game, knowing you guys have played them close in the last week of the season?

Well, we practiced very well. That's where it starts for me, always. Our preparation was good when we, you know, when we flew out to Glendale to prepare for that game, we had actually an isolated hotel that was out in the middle of nowhere. And the guys went in maybe the first night, got to the restaurants, etcetera. After that, pretty much they stayed around the hotel because it was a pretty good ride. So our focus as a team was really good. And I really thought that we've done a very good job of practicing and preparing. Now, that's with the exception of David Tyrese. Friday. You remember that one? We had integrated David Tyree, who was a wide receiver, a Pro bowl special teamer. We had now made him a short yardage and goal line receiver because he was strong, he could block. He blocked and he was tough. So we knew that when David Tyree trotted out on the field, Bill Belichick was going to it's run. It's run. And we took advantage of that. But on the Friday before Prac, before the Super bowl, when everything is supposed to be perfect, David Tyree dropped everything.

The ball hit him in his helmet. He dropped the ball in his hands. I mean, he literally couldn't, couldn't catch anything. And to tell you the type of guy Eli is, practice is over. The coaches are a little concerned. We're not going to say anything at that point in time. I'm not to upset anybody. But Eli goes over to David Tyree, puts his arm around him, and he says, david, we know. Forget about practice today. We know that when we need you, you'll be there. And that was an interesting sidebar. Yeah, but we practiced very well. We were prepared and I felt well mentally. Our guys were in a really good place. Even the Saturday before Sunday Super bowl, the guys were kind of with their families around the pool, spending time together, you know, enjoying themselves, not too far from the thoughts about the game as well. Our meetings that night went very, very well. So I felt really good that we would play a good football game. Now, I don't know the outcome. And obviously, the 17th game of the year, the 38 35, was nowhere near what this game was going to be like, because this game became a defensive battle, a battle of field position, a battle of taking advantage of one another.

And we had a turnover early. You remember that ball was a little behind Steve Smith and tipped it up in the air and they intercepted it. We were on our way in at that point in time, but it was a back and forth, back and forth. And then, of course, they drove the ball at the end and Brady put them ahead with about, what, 237 to go. And that's when that drive started where the David Tyree catch, the great catch. And people want to make light of that. That was a great catch, because physically, if you remember the position he was in the, you know, with Rodney Harrison, a big, strong safety behind him, and Tyree is up high in the air to catch it. One arm gets stripped away, pins the ball against the helmet with the other arm, goes down with Rodney across the back of his knees, doesn't let go of the ball, secures the ball, which was truly a great play by Eli getting away number one. Then when you throw the ball down the middle of field, if it's overthrown, you know it's going the other way. David Tyree makes the catch, but we're not in the end zone yet.

We need a touchdown, we need to drive the ball in. Steve Smith on third and eleven, just getting enough for the first down, then the all out blitz. Eli sees it. He tells blacks to go, I'm coming to you. If it's single coverage now, blacksico, who's got the bad knee? I didn't know he was going to play. Right up until the time when I had to turn the inactive list in, I didn't know Plexville was going to play. And Ronnie Barnes takes them out, works them out, comes in, he says just a couple words, he's going to play. Boom, we're on the field. And that fact he is out there causes them to play the game that they had designed based on his effectiveness, obviously, in the Green Bay game. So that helped us just have a plexigla on the field. And then he made a, you know, it was actually a sluggo move on an all out blitz. It was an all out blitz. Patriots were coming with everybody balls in the air. You know, from my vantage point, I'm saying, was this ball ever coming down? Can this ball get down quick enough for us?

They can't recover. And sure enough, it did. And we still had to just 35 seconds. Brady had the ball. The game is not over, fellas.

Yeah, yeah.

And he almost found Moss downfield on that, on that d ball.

The other little story from, from the David Tyree catch, our, he's passed away, but Jared Lorenzen, who's our friend, he. There, it came out afterwards that he. There was a drill you guys used to do where he would violently try to strip Eli. And basically, I remember seeing a video where it was almost like exactly the same of what Eli did in that play, that those are just the little things that you as a coach are like, we have to practice these moments, even if they'll never come up.

That's right. Ball security is number one. You know, next to points, four points against, it's turnovers. Those are the two things. But, you know, just getting, being in position to secure the football and you see it today. You, you see the number of people that are going for the punch out, knock the ball out today. It's a big theme in the league right now, but, yeah, anything we can do. The high end tight principle for our runners and receivers once they catch the ball and the quarterback being in a position where those both two hands remain on the ball until you're ready to release the ball, all of those things, the little, little details, you know, over and over, the mundane over and over and over. You never know when it's going to be the factor in a game. And obviously in a game that close against that great, that was a great football team, guys. They were the greatest offensive machine in the history of football. So every little thing that you could do to help secure the opportunity to win, you had to do so right.

Around that time, actually, that entire season, one of the ongoing storylines was the spygate thing with New England. It was like every week there was a new development about it. Right. So going into the Super bowl, did you take any different precautions with your practices? Were you, like, looking at every camera that was around checking the sky for drones? Were you like, were you different? Was it a different sense of, like, preparation in terms of keeping on that?

You remember we practiced at the cardinal facility. Okay. The Patriots were somewhere else. And, and, you know, there's, there's built in privacy in a pro operation, so. I wasn't worried about that. I thought we were secure.

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So talking about today's NFL, obviously you can list like the top quarterbacks, but is there a quarterback you watch that you're like, man, I wish I could have coached him. Or a guy that you see that maybe is up and coming that you're like, that's, that's someone special.

Well, there's, you know, obviously if you're, if you're watching football, you're, you're always thinking about, you know, gee, this person, that person, whatever. The thing today in a lot of circles is the running quarterback. Okay? But, but the thing that I see and has always been the principle for me is, and you remember, we're just thinking about the London game here a little bit ago, and Eli had a running touchdown in that first game in London, you remember in zero seven. We were the first team to play over there against the Dolphins. But if you watch how Mahomes runs, he doesn't run until he has to run. He doesn't want to run. He wants to run, to throw the ball, to have more time to throw the ball. Those are the things. Because you remember for us, Eli started 210 straight games. I mean, as a coach, if you can tell me that I'm going to have my starter, okay, for 210 straight games where he can prepare, where we know the quality of the preparation and the work that he will put in and that he will bring the experience factor one week to another, one week to another.

That's what pro football is really all about. You worry strategy to the extent that if a guy, you're going to take hits in the pocket, big time hits in the pocket, the quarterback's protected today better than ever. I get it. I was a part of that. I wanted everything. I wanted the quarterback protected, okay? And he is protected. But when you run, you're a runner, okay? And no holes barred, you know, all bets are off. And, but to have your guy line up every, every week for 210 in a row, I mean, that's an incredible advantage for your team.

Was there something about, I mean, you know, Eli had an incredible career. He, the, the crazy thing about Eli is during the regular season he probably, you probably couldn't say he was ever playing at like, you know, a top three quarterback level. But then your two Super bowl runs, he just was out of his mind. Good. Was there something that you could see in him where it's like playoff time and you're like, this guy, I just, I just know that he's going to be nails when we need him.

You look at his eyes. Yeah, his eyes. He is the greatest. People argue with me. I get it. But he's the greatest big play, big game. Excuse me, big game quarterback that I've ever seen. I mean, the way he approached things and the fact that he really, really accepted the challenge he wanted. The challenge. He wanted that he knew what his comparison was against Tom Brady, for example, you know, and quite frankly, rightfully so. I mean, they stacked up a bunch of Super Bowls. But in those games, under those circumstances, you know, call it his pedigree, call it what you want, but this guy, you talk about making plays when he had to make him look at the Manningham catching 46, Super Bowl 46. And I used to, while I'm looking at it in my own mind, I don't realize Eli's, Eli's back there maneuvering to get the ball off in that situation, you know, and he made that throw. So you talk about big play, big game people. Wow. I mean, I'm taking him because I've seen him do it under any circumstance you can imagine.

Would you, would you ever have to try to trick him, though, like in a week, eight game, be like, hey, this is a big game. Eli, we're going to need. We're going to need big game.

Eli here, he, you know, he, well, you look at the, that year, the game 17 against the Patriots, you know, that was the game. When you know how the media is 50 50, you're going to arrest your players, coach.

Yeah.

You're going to arrest your. No, no, we're playing to win. And my team bought that completely.

Yeah.

What was the look in Eli's eyes? How could you tell it was different?

There was no question about his focus and what was going on. No matter when he took the field, you, you could see it.

Yeah.

And always know if you knew the player, you could see it.

Tied in with. Eli is going to be your son in law, chris snee, who you drafted. Was that the same draft as eli? I think it was, yeah.

They were one two. They were roommates.

He was your second round pick. Did you have to lean on the scouts a little bit to be like, hey, I think. I think this is the guy we got to take. And they were like, sure, coach, he's your son in law. I understand we have to draft.

They did it the other way around. The whole organization felt we had Chris knee in the first round, the middle of the first round. That's how high we had him ranked. And when he slipped like that, there was no question in the room about who the best possible player was. And we took him in the top of the second round, and it proved out. I mean, you talk about toughness, you talk about serious guys that want to, you know, they want to win, they'll work, they'll pay the price in order to win, and they'll do things the right way. And the camaraderie that developed in that offensive line, you know, with Richie and Sean and Kareem and David deal at left tackle, those guys were, you know, they loved each other, they played for each other. They backed each other up when things were going. And the guy who did it, by virtue of his actions, not necessarily his mouth, was Chris knee.

I love the idea of the scouts and the other guys in the draft room having to convince you to draft your son in law. Yeah, that would be very funny. So I heard a funny story about him. I heard that sometimes during maybe a week where you weren't so happy with the coaches with the offensive line that they would ask Chris to bring your grandkids into the facility because they knew that it would soften you up and you wouldn't be so angry. Did you know that you were being manipulated?

No, I did not know that, but I know that during preseason, they would be there a lot of times where I'd get to, you know, throw the ball with them and roll around in the grass after practice.

Yeah, I want to go back real quick. In the beginning of your coaching career, you were on that parcels staff that won a Super bowl for the Giants. Belichick. Belichick's on there as well. Well was there. When you're there in that moment, this is before Belichick becomes Belichick. Did you know that? Like, he, you know, he was special, and there was like, the way he coached his defense was he was going to have this career going forward. Like, can you feel it in that room?

He was a great football coach. There was no doubt about that. I don't care how old he was. He was very thorough. And as a defensive coach, you know, he coached the secondary all right. And I had the receivers, and we worked together a lot, and we were always bugging parcels for more time or, you know, red zone, tight red zone, one on one. And all the things you need to do to be ready when you come out of camp. For the season. But Bill did a. I mean, he did a great job. I mean, his defensive plans are epic. I mean. I mean, the game against the 49 ers, you know, there's as talented a team as you'll ever play against. And what we were able to do, we win by field goal, but neither one knew. Although when Bill, I think, thought about that Cleveland job right there at the end of the season, much like I was thinking about the BC job, and so him getting the opportunity was not a surprise at all. And it didn't matter how old he was.

Yeah. Yeah.

So I read a story that, going back to your college days, your RA was Jim Boeheim, Syracuse head coach. Yeah.

Bayheim was an Ra on our floor, Sadler hall. In those days, we had the top 44 were in Sandler hall, and Bayheim was my Ra.

His Ra. So did you ever get in trouble?

No.

You were a good, good student. Never had to worry about him in high school.

Yeah. How was that? How did that game go?

He was. Well, they drilled us. He was a senior with a really good basketball team, and we started three sophomores coming out of my high school. Now, the interesting thing is that they were double a school. Lions was aaa school, and they. I don't believe they won the sectional. We were, you know, we were all sections in New York state. It was section five. They would get beat. And we won the section five class a three years in a row.

Yeah, he's. I mean, it's just funny. Just I. Jim Boeheim's one of those guys. I could never imagine being young. Yeah.

But I could always imagine him being an RA.

I'm not sure. I'm not sure that, you know, he's legendary about a shooting ability, especially, you know, in high school. But he, you know, he prided himself as a defensive coach, and he was a great one, you know, that two three zone, which probably was it. Everything and everything, you know, depending on what you did.

Yeah. I got a weird question, and this might be because it means more to me than probably anyone else in the world. Do you remember when you were on the head coach of the Jaguars? Do you remember the kid that got his head stuck in the statue?

No.

Okay. All right.

It wasn't you, was it?

No, no, no. We actually interviewed him, like, a couple months ago. Again, I do remember.

I remember the buzz about it.

Yeah.

I don't remember. I didn't see it.

Okay. All right. But you remember maybe hearing about it being like, hey, a kid got his head stuck in the statue.

So wait, but you were in charge of everything from the ground up with the Jaguars. So that statue you signed off on.

Yeah. You got that kid stuck in the statue.

You built a death trap.

I got the trapdoo stuck, yeah. I was hoping it was a good luck charm.

Yeah. No, it wasn't. I don't think it has been.

No, not necessarily.

Yeah.

So I also read that you went on a USO tour with Jeff Fisher. Was that after, was that after the music City miracle?

Well, that was an zero eight. That was in 0809, right in there.

Yeah.

I was General Raymond Odierno, you know, the, the commander in chief of the Iraqi National Force was a good friend of mine, a giant fan. So I was originally going to go with General O over to Iraq anyway, but we became a USO trip. So it was Bill Cower, it was John Harbaugh, John Gruden, Jeff Fisher and me. And it was a great, great experience for all of us because, you know, the word was, you know, the troops, the morale. The troops were great. They had great morale. And on the 4 July, now President Joe Biden, who was vice president at the time, came over. That's why all five of us were in one room. We were in one of those palaces and we were in a big room, like bunk beds, except there was one double bed. I said, I'm taking that one. They all laughed, but I got it. Fisher had to sleep over by the door because he snored so loud nobody could stand him in the. But we had a, we had a really, really great experience. We listened to Biden and President Biden and General O as they, as they made citizens of 257 soldiers that were in our uniform but weren't even.

How about that one? Weren't citizens yet. So that was the 4 july. We went to mosul that had just been bombed the day before. And I'll never forget, they met us on the tarmac. The tarmac was 112 degrees that day. We land and we get out. They said to me, why don't you go with coach o? Excuse me, with general odierno. So I get in the car with the general and that the place has just been bombed. And I'm thinking to myself, is this a good idea? If they're going after somebody, they're going after the big guy. I'm in the car with them. Maybe not my best call.

Yeah.

Yeah. That's just such a funny, funny visual to me is the group of you guys, you, gruden, fisher, the whole squad, and you were hanging out in saddam hussein's palace, right?

Oh, yeah. That's where we stayed.

Stay in the same room.

We're seven of them. We stayed in one of them.

Yeah. The. I mean, you. The amount of football you've seen and stories you have, it's incredible. I got. I got one last question for you. It's a row back question. It's been so much fun. Coach. Coach Rho back.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Qzips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code take. I mentioned it at the start. You should be in the hall of Fame. I don't know. Is that something that you've, you know, obviously have in the back of your head? But are you. Are you like, hey, what's going on here? Because we talked about the Jaguars starting a franchise, two Super Bowls with the Giants going even through, like, some of these playoff runs where you guys were underdogs. Maybe one of the best underdog coaches ever. Is that something that you, you know, you think about or is it.

Don't forget those two. Those two f. AFC championship.

Yeah.

Appearances are in the first five years.

Yeah. Also the, the. Jeff. We mentioned Jeff Fisher, but that was. That was tough that year that you guys went 14. Yeah, 14 two. And the only losses were the Titans.

Yeah. Yeah. We were 15 and two when they beat us in the AFC championship game.

Yeah. He had your number. Does he remind you of that? He had your number that year?

No, he didn't remind me, but I'm aware of it.

Yeah.

He doesn't have to remind me because, to be honest with you, that's one of the most disappointing things that I have in my briefcase, is that one. We were up. We were up 1410 at the half. We fumbled a punt right before the half, and they kicked. I think they kicked a field goal. They may have scored, but anyway, we came back out in the second half and they had their way.

You should be in the hall of fame. Big cat's right. Let's get people talking about that.

And you also, your foundation, which does incredible work. Can you tell everyone about what you. Because you've always been giving back. So the Coughlin foundation, which we should at least mention. What are you doing today with it?

I appreciate it if you mention it. We just had our. Our major fundraiser in New York at Medlife Stadium, our 20th, what we call champions for children's event. The foundation is 29 years old. I started it in 1996 when I was in Jacksonville, when I was at Boston College. My very first year at Boston College. My starting strong safety was a young man by the name of J. McGillis. Tough kid. Came from Brockton, Mass. You know, great family, mom, dad, siblings, the whole deal. We come back from Syracuse. I think it was our 9th or 10th game. And the trainer came to me and said, you know, Jay's. I don't think Jay can play this week. I said, why not? He said, well, he's not feeling well, and his throat is all swollen, and we can't. And I said, well, can we get him better? And it wasn't a sore throat, and it wasn't the mumps. It wasn't. It was leukemia. And it was a ravaging form of leukemia. July 3 of 1992, we lost Jay McGillis. And it was a crusher for our whole team. But the experience that they went through and as close as I became to the family and watched what the family went through, one of my linebackers, Mike Panos, came to me and said, coach, we got to do something for the McGillis family.

They're at the bedside of a sick child, and they're nothing. They're not able to pay any bills. They can't do anything. So I said, okay, sit down, Mike. Let's talk about it. We came up with a plan where the players went into the community and got pledges for maximum lifts. So in those days in college football, in the spring, we do a max bench squat, power clean, the whole deal. So they went out into the community and they got pledges. We raised $50,000. We gave the McGillis family a check for $50,000 at halftime of the spring game. Well, the idea was implanted in my mind, Judy's and mine, that if we ever had a chance to give back, we would give back in the name of the image and likeness of Jay McGillis. And so in 1996, we started the J Fund foundation, which has as its objective helping families who have a child with cancer. And we've done it for 29 years. We have helped over 5800 families, and we've to the tune of over $28 million. And we continue because the fight is ongoing. The battle does not get accomplished. It's an everyday battle and struggle for these families because when they hear those words that your child has cancer, the whole world changes for them.

If there are two. If there are two family, two people in the family are both breadwinners. One has to stop, okay? Because someone has to be at the bedside of the sick child. So. But this is what we do. My daughter, Kelly Coughlin Joyce, is the CEO of the J Fund, she's done a great job. We have a great team. We have a great team of devoted people to this cause. And one of the things we've just started to do, which has really made a huge difference, is we take ten families to win Dixie or stop and shop and we turn them loose in the grocery store and then we pay for that. And we had ten families the other day who had $20,000 in grocery bills and we. We do this. We. We have. The J Fund is in New York, New Jersey and in Jacksonville.

That's awesome. That's great. That's great. So awesome that you're giving back like that. Well, coach, this has been a great time. We really appreciate your time and, yeah, we're going to be on Coughlin time now. You got us.

Thank you, guys.

Yeah.

Showing up early.

Get that time at five minutes ahead of time and tell people why not early?

You're late.

Yeah, maybe even at some time. You might want to take the sunglasses off.

You never know.

I doubt that. Now you're going to too far. Coach, I'm in your dog house.

I love it.

Thank you so much, Coach. We appreciate it.

Thank you.

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Okay, let's wrap up. We got faqs. Henry. Hey.

Slimming cat, low key genius, pft, hanky panky and Maxie. Just wanted to say thanks. Love everything y'all do and truly makes my weeks better listening to y'all question, what's the biggest miss y'all have had like a chance to interview someone that you had to say no to and haven't got the chance again yet. What are the chances of getting jaded on the pod soon? Since we got kids a few months.

Ago, he has been on the Adam on.

He was on during his Heisman campaign.

Yeah, had him on.

Had him on.

No, I.

Right now, Blake of the year lottery ball.

Yeah. Blakey. But that was fun. It was bad, but it was fun. Biggest miss. Hmm. I would say doing a television show.

Yeah. No, but in terms of yes. I don't know. We had.

This was. This is pre Covid, I think, when Mantis was. Worked for us and he. This is before he blew up. But he was like, jack Harlow's come in the office. Do you guys want to interview him? We said no. And then like, I think within three months he was like the biggest rapper on the planet. That was a miss. I think about that one sometimes.

Yeah, Billy was Brown.

Yep.

No, Zach Brian.

Oh, yeah.

Billy was like close with Zach Bryan before he blew up. Up.

That was a.

To Billy's credit, he kept being like, hey, we got to get this guy on the show. He's going to blow up. And we'd be like, okay.

And I love his music.

Yeah. And we'd be like, all right, Billy. And then we'd forget. And then two weeks later, hey, do you guys really should have him on? Do you want me to tell him that you guys want him on? We, like, yeah, one day and then next thing you know, he's.

I wish I had listened to his music back then, cuz I would said yes. Zach, Brian, please come on the show.

We'll make it up to you.

Yeah, we will make it up to you. But, yeah, I don't know if, like, we've gotten almost everyone that we've. Yeah, not a ton of misses. What was the other part of that question? Was there another?

Get Jaden on. Oh, yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't need Jaden on right now. I'm.

We've had him on.

I'm in the mood.

Get him on.

I'm in the mode of just don't touch anything.

Yeah, we will definitely get.

You know, the last thing Jaden needs is for my dumb ass to just have him on the show and tell him how awesome is.

Hey, PMT boys. Pft. Specifically, what happened to PFT? Trying to take the bar. He bragged he could pass and talked about studying and never mentioned it again.

I can. I can pass the bar. I'll do.

It's gonna do it when Hank dunks.

No, that's more of a. It's more of an off season thing. I'm in football mode right now, so I say I'm gonna do a lot of stuff at the start of every football offseason. I usually accomplish like 25% of that, I think. I actually. We had dinner with, with Dan Morgane a few months ago, and I was telling him, I think I could pass the bar. You guys aren't that smart. He was like, you. You might be able to. So I think I'm. I think I'm gonna become a lawyer. Just, like, casually.

Mm hmm.

And then I'm gonna sue everyone.

Are you dunk?

Yeah.

It's kidding. It's working that the weather's turning.

I'm training every day. I'm not. It's not something I've, like, you know, forgot about.

Okay.

I'm going. I'm not drinking till thanksgiving.

Wow.

Really? Overdraft overdrive.

Did you drink last weekend? Yeah. Okay, what about. Just went into overdrive?

Yeah.

You're three days into overdrive.

Yeah.

What about Halloween?

Oh, come on. You got it. No, guy.

You're not a Halloween guy. Everyone's a Halloween.

Go ahead, memes. Question. Memes.

So what, will this dunkin be live stream? Or is it like a. Just a solo video itself, not be live streamed?

I want to do it. Friday, December 21.

Speaking of big videos, we don't have.

To worry about it over Christmas.

We are. We are going. We're working on getting Max pitching for dingers only, and we might have upped it in terms of, no offense, u. I see. But up the competition might have line. The keyword might. We're still very the way we're going to do it. And if we do uic again, that they're gonna kick the shit out of.

Max and the dart stream will be before Thanksgiving sometime the next three weeks.

Okay.

So you'll be sober for it for sure. Oh, the entire stream? You're not gonna have a single drink.

No.

For that entire two weeks?

No. What? What are you gonna say, Max?

I had nothing to say.

Are you ready to pitch?

I mean, I'm gonna get shelled.

No, you're fucking beast.

Believe in yourself.

You're beast.

I mean, if I don't have. I don't think it's actually gonna work out, but if it does work out, I'm gonna, like, I'm gonna get fucking smoked. I'm gonna be out there for a year.

Yeah, I'm actually. I'm very worried about my knees.

Want to trade?

I'm worried about catching.

Oh, no.

Oh, okay, Hank, next one we can.

Add with this one. Hey, Slim cat. Pft. Pf tall. Cocky Hank. Two sodas. Ass crack. Max, my question is, after doing the show for all these years, does it ever actually feel like a job, or does it just still feel like shooting the shit with your buddies and talking a ball.

I would say that between the lines, whenever we step into the studio, mics are on. It doesn't feel like a job. It's never felt like a job.

I'd say the only time. Yeah, the only time it feels like a job is if it's, like, a truly dead period of time. But we do mount Rushmore season, so it kind of reinvigorates us in the summer. That's. Oh, Shane just walked in fist pumping. Because we bet that's not a good thing. Change, you know? Do you know my. Do you know my futures? Like, what. What has happened? You're gonna lose to my homes in the playoffs. That's what's gonna happen.

I missed what you say.

Why were you fist bumping the.

The Chargers?

But.

Yeah, I know, but that's bad. I lose all my show. What. What if you cash out? I'm not gonna cash.

I'm gonna cash out. I'll say this right now, and you can shame me. You'll probably future. You will be like, how can you cash out? No, I will.

No.

No cashing out.

I'm not. I'm not gonna shame anyone because I. That was part of my pitch.

I a hundred percent intend to cash out and then probably put that cash out on another team to win the super.

Can I tell you what you really should do, then? Put it in twice, have a cash out option. I.

Their charters are. Will not when the Super bowl. And I will be cashing out this right now.

I really want the charge to win the super now. I'm really not cash. They're gonna fucking run the table.

Yeah, for sure.

But, yeah, it's like, the beauty of this job is not only that we all love each other and work well together. And I was thinking about the other day and my taking showers. Like, we're getting very close to ten years.

Mm hmm.

Like, I was shocked. We're coming up on nine hanks at.

Those videos over of us going to the Jaguars Bears game. And I thought I heard him say eight years ago.

Yeah.

There's no way that's eight years.

Today's the anniversary of Miguel Montero's grand slam. We were all there in the bleachers.

Eight years, which is crazy.

Yeah.

No, it did. It doesn't. For me, the only time it feels like work is if we're doing something where we're at work for, like, 14 hours in a day, and then it's like, okay, it'd be nice to go home at some point, but as far as doing the podcast, it's I don't think for a second it's felt like work to me.

Well, I think it's your. Your point is it's not in the studio. No. It's just when we're doing, like, logistics and, like, there's work stuff that comes up, but it's never in the studio.

And the beauty of this show and what. What we. We love to talk about sports is that, like, sports are ever changing. So that's why it works that we always have new material like that. I've said it before. I love. I love, love football. It's my favorite sport. But around February, when it's, like, the end of the season, like, I could talk about something else for a little bit. Yeah. And then I could take a break.

In the real dead zones. That's when sometimes we get the weirdest, which is usually pretty good.

Mount Rushmore season. Should we rip a random.

It's occurred to me that without football, especially if we're talking, like, early July, mid July, the summer, we go temporarily insane. Yeah, we really do. And we just. We just create ways to entertain ourselves when in the back of our head, our real personalities are like, just give me more football.

Yeah, random Mount Rushmore real quick. People like this Mount Rushmore of teams that can win the Super bowl this year. Yeah. No. Who goes first? I went first last time.

So, Hank.

So, Hank Chiefs.

That's a really good pick, Hank. That was a really good pick.

Ravens.

Lions.

Oh, fuck. You guys are really good picks. Damn it. I don't think the Vikings people. Ah, Niners people.

Bully into and taken. Oh, Hank made a face. The walls.

Niners in this one. No, I can't do it. Texans.

The Buffalo Bills.

It's great value.

Great value.

Yep.

Yeah. Cooper.

I'll go Vikings.

Okay. There's a big value out there that I passed on that I actually think should have been a first round packers. Yeah.

Mmm.

It's a good Mount Rushmore.

Fuck it. Bangles.

Oh, I love it.

Eagles.

Somebody you want to know? You want to laugh?

Do you want to talk about the odds? Because the Eagles are currently 16 to one, and the commanders are 30 to one, so.

Okay, cool.

So that was a good laugh.

Good. I'm glad you enjoyed looking at odds.

We were talking about value.

You certainly.

We were talking about.

You had a lot. We were talking confidence in your eagles, Max.

Yeah.

No, but, I mean, you're not in a position to be laughing yet.

I'm laughing. You haven't been laughing. For the record. I'm laughing.

This is a good mount. Rob.

I'm laughing, Matt.

This is a good mount.

Rush, 30 to one.

Take it.

Take it. Take 30 to one.

I'm not gonna take it because.

Yeah, take 31.

I don't agree with you. I'm laughing. It's so funny to me.

He's laughing.

Okay.

Clip this.

Who are you saying?

Just world.

Clip this.

Clip it.

Okay.

World.

Yeah, actually, yeah. Please clip it. Please clip it. And then we'll update this. We'll update this argument at the end.

Of December when neither teams make it out of the first round.

Probably. Max is probably a 100, 100% correct. We're both going to lose in the first round of playoffs. We'll be like, remember when we yelled at each other?

I like this better.

Yeah. Okay. We took the Niners. They've been off the board.

Oh, yeah.

Anybody take the Vikings?

Yeah.

Things. You gotta take the commanders.

Can you put this in whisper font commanders?

Okay. I will not. All right, jets. There you go. Memes. Jets and Chargers. One of you said charges like, dude, no chance.

I'm taking the NFC version of the Chargers. The Atlanta Falcons.

And I'll take the bucks.

I mean, that was pug.

I mean, I was. I'm going. I'm just looking at the odds. The Bucks have the next best odds.

Give me. I think. I think Russ is going to turn some things around. Give me the Steelers.

It's a good.

Got a good defense. Super bowl winning experience.

Good value.

Super winning experience at head coach.

Wait, what do you mean, Super bowl winning experience? Who on the team? Team?

Russell Wilson.

The Bears would have been better value there, but.

Bears would have been better.

Do they have Super bowl winning experience? I'm quarterback and coach.

You guys don't understand the word value where I'm literally, we're going off of odds.

He's going off odds. You, wait, did you not take the Cowboys?

No.

Oh, Hank, a new coach.

Tiffany is gonna be upset about this.

She's trying to get rich. She's trying to get the GM fired.

What? Jerry.

Yeah.

Oh, all right. That was good. Mount Rushmore. Just feel we got. We got to stay in. In Mount Rushmore shape every now.

Also, Max, the commanders made the playoffs. Like, was that 2020?

Yeah, they did.

Heineck, he covered. He covered against Tom Brady, would beat you guys in week 17.

Ers also made the playoffs.

Cool.

That's kind of crazy. We both made the playoffs, and we both were like, there's zero precision chance anything happens.

Yeah.

Whatsoever.

You all. There was also, like, when I picked the Eagles, there were not a bunch of good teams left.

Jets, Chargers.

Yeah, it wasn't a crazy time to pick the Eagles.

Devontae Adams, bro, it is.

It's crazy when you take into account what you've been saying about the Eagles for the last, like.

But it's but at that point, we're. When you go to the third round.

Yeah.

You're not picking teams that you actually think I have a good chance of making.

It's also a possibility that sometimes people on the show say things to intentionally stir max off.

Yeah, that's also true and that I.

Am bad at reading.

All right, numbers. 359. Five means you want to switch with me. Eleven.

No, I'll take a step.

Are you sure? I'm giving you a chance.

99.

Poll reasoning.

You can have three right now.

21.

That means I'm torture champion. 37. 37.

You never close.

Love you guys.

It.