Transcript of NFL With Greg Olsen, Goose The Band In Studio, CFB, Are The Ravens In Trouble + Pardon Your Takes

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Okay, let's go. Hey, football guy. Patino. Aw, Harry. Bart @ my tank. Yeah. Barn at my table. Yeah. Welcome to part of my take presented by DraftKings. Your season's heating up. Download the DraftKings sportsbook app. Use code TAKE. That's code TAKE to get $200 in bonus bets instantly when you place your first $5 bet. Plus over $200 off NFL Sunday Ticket from YouTube and YouTube TV in partnership with DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Wednesday, September 24th, and the Detroit Lions are going to be just fine because they went into Baltimore on Monday night and they look just as good as ever.

Yeah, they were awesome, and this was a great game. The football was good on Monday Night Football. We need to remember, as we're looking ahead, we always say, like, if you get a bad game, just, just wait a little bit. The NFL will have a way of figuring out.

We'll.

We'll be rewarded for our patience dealing with the shit. You know, if we can get to a good prime time game like this, we actually need to put this one in the spank bank for next weekend. Yeah, for next Monday night. Because we're going to need it to get through those two double headers that they have next weekend. But, yeah, it was a great game. The Ravens didn't play that bad. The Lions were dominant on defense in terms of sacking Lamar and getting to Lamar. I. You rarely see people like, be able to bring Lamar down one on one when he's trying to get out of the pocket. Yeah, the Lions were doing that consistently. The Lions offense is awesome. They're back where they used to be. Jared Goff. If you look at Jared Goff's stats since he became a Lion, you could make the argument that statistically, he's the best quarterback in the NFL. He's awesome by the stats, by the numbers, in terms of, like, yards, touchdowns, all that stuff. He's awesome. That was great to watch. The aggressiveness from Dan Campbell continues to be awesome.

So. So I wanted to talk about that because we're going to talk about the Ravens, but I want to give the Lions their flowers. I. I don't know if you had the same thought, but when it was fourth and two with two minutes left, I would have been. It's like everything is flipped now. I would have been stunned. Floor jaw on the, on the floor. If they didn't go for it. Yeah.

And it's.

They went to a commercial break. I was like, of course they're going to go for this.

Yeah, they're going to go for it. They're going to win the game. That's what Dan Campbell is going to do every time. If you don't know Dan Campbell by now, you'll never understand the man. And he is quietly a nerd. He does every. He's like the worst type of nerd for nerds because they're like, this guy is not allowed to use our data and be so smart because he's also a tough guy and an alpha male and the classic central casting football coach.

Yep.

He doesn't just go with his gut. He actually goes with the numbers. And the numbers have it every single time. Dan Campbell goes for it on a fourth down, it's not because he's in like it mode. I'm Dan Campbell. I've got a, a wad of chew in my, in my cheek the size of Texas and it's Dan Campbell. The thinking man's Dan Campbell.

Yes.

And it was I think a plus 2% win probability, which isn't a lot. That's pretty much one of those toss up situations. But it was still like leaning towards going for it, being the smart call. And with that offense and with Jared Goff and St. Brown, you go for that every time.

Well, and the genius of that play is the, the tiny details of what the Lions are. They have a bunch of wide receivers specifically amongst Aman Ross St. Brown, who is awesome in the run game in terms of blocking. And that play was set up to look like a run where the defensive holding, which they didn't even need because it ended up working, but the defensive holding is because Amon Ross St. Brown was doing what you'd think in a run play where he is blocking and then he slips out and gets free and like. So that all is built up in how they play football and how their wide receivers are willing to block without the rock. And the Lions are really good. And I agree with you. I was, I don't know if the Lions like did something different or practiced something different, but it felt like for the first time in a long time I was watching a defense be able to get to Lamar and also not even like this. He was sacked a bunch and Aiden Hutchinson was an absolute beast. He is fully back but the way they were able to trip him up a bunch where it's like, even when he was scrambling, they were able to.

They, like. I don't know if they specifically practice, like, just go for his feet the whole time, get his feet. Because it felt like they did that multiple times where we're used to Lamar getting free and they were able to take a dive at his feet and trip him up and sack him from behind. And I don't know what. I don't know what the Ravens were doing. I feel like I. I'm kind of sick of the Ravens.

So I think the Ravens are a good football team, but this is. This was a playoff type loss for the Ravens.

It's.

You could see this exact same game plan working its way out in January at some point. So it's like, I. The Ravens are a great team and they'll beat a lot of. A lot of teams this year. They'll have a great record. But do you trust the Ravens?

Yeah.

Do you trust. I don't, because I do not trust.

They keep doing the things that drive me insane with the Ravens. They are so good. Lamar is so good. Derrick Henry in short yarded situation on the goal line just doesn't work. I don't know why they keep doing it.

Is he not a good short yardage runner?

Yeah, you. Yeah, the take has been there for a long time on this show.

So he. He also just has a fumbling problem right now.

All right.

Fumbled three times on 43 touches in 20, 25. If you look through the course of his career, he's had like maybe one season where he had six fumbles, one where he had five. But most of them are like two fumbles a year, three fumbles a year.

Yeah, he's not. He's not a fumbler.

He's not a fumble guy.

I.

Actually, there are fumble guys from. Andre Stevenson is a fumble guy.

Remember, Tiki Barber was a fumble guy.

Fumble guy.

Then he had to. He learned how to hold it high and tight. I actually don't. As unfortunate as it was for Derek Henry to fumble again in a big moment, that one was just an incredible play by Aiden Hutchinson. I think 99% of the running backs fumble on.

That was a great play by Ed Oliver, too.

Yeah, right. So it's like, is it a fumble problem or are they just making incredible plays? Because that Aiden Hudson play was incredible. I mean, he came from behind and punched it out so perfectly that I think most guys do fumble in that situation. It just happens that the Ravens have played two primetime games and we've had two very notable Fumbles from Derrick Henry. He fumbled in the second game as well. But those, those stick with you. So I don't know if it's a Derek Henry fumble problem. I'm just more like, I don't know what the Ravens like they were. Lamar was getting sacked.

Well, the problem with, with Derek Henry's fumbles are he's going to, he's. He's so deep in the fumble zone now that now he's going to be thinking about not fumbling when he's running the ball. That's going to make him worse as a running back.

Yeah. Yeah. I just, I, there's something about the Ravens where it's like these big games. I just don't. Yeah. I don't trust them.

It was also their defense. So their defense was the Ravens might end up doing what they did last year and just figuring out their defense of the second half.

Right.

And then they'll be great. And we'll go into January being like, these Ravens are unstoppable. This is the year for Lamar. I still won't trust them at that point. But they do not give up long drives like they gave up on Monday Night Football.

Right.

They don't. It had been since 2001. That was the last time that the Ravens gave up a drive of 95 yards or more. And it was 24 years. And they did it twice on Monday night.

I, I, So when I say I'm done with the Ravens, I'm not actually done with the Ravens. I think they're very good. I do think that the loser of the Chiefs Ravens game might be a potential. Take a future on that team.

Yeah.

Just out of value. I'm just more like, the Ravens are so frustrating to watch sometimes because, like, they're so good, but they also just make these mistakes. And even like when they did the Derrick Henry pass play in the, in the red zone. Yeah. And it almost was picked off. It's like you have Lamar Jackson. Why was awesome.

Why were they running that play?

The next play he throws a seed to Mark Andrews. Yeah.

Lamar played really well last night. You can't put some of those sacks on him. That's. The Lions were making great plays on defense.

Yeah. So it was the Lions. Like, the Lions, I think, are top level. Like, hey, remember week one, how bad they looked? That. That feels like ages ago. Because it does. It doesn't. It feels like it's the same Lions that we've watched the last couple of years.

Did you catch this on the broadcast that their kicker, Bates, is a Former brick salesman.

Yeah.

Used to sell bricks.

Yeah.

He's mincy.

Yeah.

It's crazy. Like, what kind of work do you have to do selling a brick? Yeah, like, hey, do you need a brick? Okay, I'll put that brick in your face.

Here's a brick.

You need a Columbia connection.

Yeah. By the way, the Derek Henry fumble, the one thing you could say about his fumbles is the timing is not the best. So in his career, by quarter, he's had four first quarter fumbles, three second quarter fumbles, two third quarter fumbles, ten fourth quarter fumbles. Now, obviously, that's also probably where a lot of his carries come from. The other thing, that was crazy. Did you see. Did you hear Troy Aikman mentioned It just. You forget how the NFL has changed so much that Derrick Henry has played, I think, in the NFL for 10 years. I believe nine years, whatever it is, he's half. He just got halfway to Emmett Smith's carries.

That's crazy.

Emmett Smith played 13 years. Now, I know Derek Henry was committee running back by committee to start his career in the Titans, but it's more. It's not like an anti. Derek Henry said, it's more like, holy shit, they would make those guys work back in the day.

Yeah, that's. That's pretty crazy. But Derek Henry has also. I mean, after those first couple seasons, he's been the epitome of a workhorse back.

Yes, of course, of course. But it's. But even a workhorse back in today's NFL is less than what. In terms of carries total usage, than what it used to be in the 90s.

I also like Troy just reminding us about how good his Cowboys were.

They were good, actually.

Dropping that in there.

Yeah.

I think, I think we can say Derrick Henry has fumbles.

Yeah.

This is fumb. This is what Fumbis looks like when he. When he slumped on the bench after he fumbled too. That was a fell. That was a tough look.

Yeah, he looked like a toddler crashing out.

He looked. Yeah, he looked like. He was just. He was embarrassed. He's embarrassed with how he's playing Lamar. I think I love the Jerry curl on Lamar.

I do too.

I think that's a. That's a winning haircut right there. I think the. The Ravens, they'll make the playoffs. They'll probably win a first round playoff game.

I. They got to get the defense. They've allowed the most points so far this season. 97 points through three games. Yeah, it's a lot of points.

And the game where they Blew the Browns out. They actually didn't look that great.

Right. That was just, you know, the statistics of that game. I mean they, they did blow him out.

It was a blowout.

Doubt. But yeah, I don't know. Or is it panic? Is it panic button time for the loser of the Ravens Chiefs game?

Oh yeah.

Has to be.

Yep.

Do both those teams make the playoffs gun to your head right now?

I think so. Just because the afc, we had this discussion, but the AFC does feel like it kind of falls off a cliff after, like after the Bills Chargers. It feels like it falls off a cliff and then you have the, I.

Mean, which team, if they go one in three, has a better chance of making the playoffs? Like if the Chiefs go one in three, do they have a better chance of making the playoffs versus the Ravens?

I would say the Ravens just because of the division because obviously Joe Burrow is now out. They get to play the Browns again. They play the Steelers, who I think they're better than the Steelers even though the record doesn't show it. I would say probably the Ravens because the Chiefs, I mean the, the Chargers. I had this thought the other day or this morning. All the talk before this season is like can the Bills get over the hump? You know, can they, can they finally take out the Ravens or Chiefs? They were, they were the favorite to win the super bowl before the season. What if, what if neither of them are there and it's the can the Bills beat the Chargers?

Yeah, I, I, I would say if the Chiefs lose, I think they're still going to make the playoffs.

Chiefs.

I do because they're, they're getting Xavier Worthy back at some point. Their offense is limited without a receiver. I think they're getting Rasheed Rice back at some point. If he can minded six games.

Right?

Yeah.

But Auto drafted him in fantasy. It kills me every week.

Oh, no, no, Hank.

So here's the, that's the worst thing Rashid Rice has ever done for any.

One of those free Rice shirts.

Yeah. So here's the, here's the chief schedule because it does, it is hard. Like they're going to have to win some games late in the season because they have the Ravens this Sunday. Then they're at the Jaguars. Not an easy game. Nope. The Lions at home. Nope. The Raiders at home. Yep. The Commanders at home.

Nope.

At the Bills. At the Broncos. No, that's not easy.

Maybe. Yeah, once. But once they get Rice. Hank.

Once. Hank, what was that?

You don't think you can beat the Chiefs?

I don't want to say it out loud.

You believe.

I don't want to say it out loud.

I've got.

There's some Commanders fans that are very upset with me for not being more of a homer for the Commanders right now.

Yeah.

But that's just how I feel. Like I, I. To go into Kansas City on a Monday night and win.

You play scared.

It's gonna be really hard. I do play scared. I'm scared. I'm a scared little boy.

Not playing to win.

When it comes.

Yeah.

When it comes to my football watching and viewing experience, I am a scared, frightened little boy and a child at heart thinking that all the worst things are going to happen to me. It's going to take years until you get hurt. It's going to take years of. Well, no, Hank, I was pretending to be hurt. You thought I was actually hurt.

No. Gotcha. The Ravens are playing the Chiefs, then they're at home against the Texans, Rams, and Bears. So that feels like probably a two in one, right? Texans, Rams, Bears, all at home.

Bears.

Yeah. No, I mean, we're not going to beat the Ravens. And then at the Dolphins, at the Vikings, at the Browns. So I would say the Ravens, if they go one and three, have a better chance.

Yep.

Okay.

That's fair. I just do think that the Chiefs are going to get better. They're not going to be this. But although there was a. Did you see the clip of 80 reed and, and Kelsey on the sidelines?

Yeah.

Kelsey, this time it looked like Andy Reid kind of initiated it.

Yeah.

Like, if you were to take what happened in the super bowl and reverse it, Reed, like, got in his face and like, kind of belly titty bumped him a little bit. I think he hit him with his title.

Yeah.

Video Mahomes throwing an absolute duck. And then like the, you know, a clip from two years ago of him throwing an absolute bomb.

Mahomes doesn't look. I mean, it's, it's okay to say he gets all benefit of the doubt from what he's done in his career, but in terms of the last year and a half, like, because remember last year, it's not like the Chiefs were killing teams. They had, they had some very, very close games.

So got Molly walked in the Super Bowl.

Yeah. He, he doesn't look. It's not, it's not the same. It looked three, four years ago. That's a fair statement to say.

It's like ever since Riola started to take all his shit.

Yeah.

It was like a monster situation, stealing his powers.

And then in terms of news we have Russ. It feels like it's done. Dable said they're evaluating everything. And then the media tried to hold him to. It was like, so, like quarterback. He's like, we're evaluating everything.

That's what you got to do as a coach. That. That hasn't competed.

Really.

You got to say every. Every position is up for grabs. We're going to look at all the tape.

We're going to bring in the basketball team to try out.

No job is safe.

Yeah.

Including mine.

And then the other one. You guys. Commanders are going to play the Falcons. The Falcons are already shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic. We've talked about this many times before, but the sign that things are a problem is whenever you move a coordinator from the booth to the field or from the field to the booth, and they've done that after three weeks, Zach Robinson, their OC is going down to the field.

Yeah. They fired.

Was right.

They fired Ike Hilliard, their receiver, their receivers coach. And then they move Zach Robinson down onto the field, which is. It is a sure sign. They're going to start asking him to. He's on a pip right now.

Yeah.

Zach Robinson is clearly on a pip. They're going to start giving him assignments that are just impossible and really have nothing to do with his job. Just to keep him busy so that other people can actually do his job for him. Yeah, it's. It's not looking great. Hey, this is what you get when you get a pro football focus guy. You get a data guy.

Get a data guy and then he's. Yeah. So memes. Credit to you. You had that take on Sunday. Credit to me. Credit to you. Credit to Memes. Also, I saw a crazy stat about. I think it was the Vikings. I think the Vikings have played. I think the Vikings defense has been. I got to try to find it. But it was. It was some crazy. Like, the Vikings defense has played so much better than anyone else in the NFL. Yeah. Under Brian. Brian Flores. So credit to Brian Flores.

Yeah, they were.

Doesn't get enough credit. He was. He had Jake Browning in a torture chamber.

They were incredible.

Yeah. I'm going to try to find the stat. I don't have this.

Also credit Carson Wentz.

Yeah. Also credit to Carson Wentz. Big time. Big time. Credit to Carson Wentz.

He's a.

All right. Any other cleanup stuff from the NFL on Sunday? We got any cleanup stuff.

Trying to remember what we need to clean up.

Any cleanup stuff. I don't think there's a lot we have to Clean up. How are you feeling? Memes with. With the Jets. In terms of Aaron Glenn, that was one of the funniest, most perfect edits done. Is Aaron Glenn dancing to Earth, Wind and Fire? Did you see that?

I did, yeah.

It was so perfectly timed up, it was almost made for that.

Jenna Lane did that.

Yeah, that one hurts.

But it was a cool celebration. I love the celebration.

It's like split online. They're like, you know your team's about to blow it because your defense sucks. But what is he supposed to do? It was a fantastic play also for.

All the screenshot merchants out there. And I'm speaking specifically about Stephen Che, mostly, that did the. The zoom in on whether or not the Bucks center got his foot stepped on on that field goal. Get over it. You guys won. Yeah, you guys won. It was close enough. They protect the centers a lot.

You.

I don't worry about it.

I couldn't agree more. The lamest thing you could possibly do is. Is argue a call in a win.

Technically, somebody touched our center, and you're not allowed to do that. Yeah, it's a. It's a rule that is questionable at best. And because they violated on a technicality in a game that you won anyways. Get over it.

Get over it. Oh, they should make goalposts 100ft tall.

Yes.

There was that kick last night for the Ravens that looked like it wasn't good. Why not?

I think that one was actually in. It was, but there was another one earlier this year. Yeah, just make the goalposts a little bit taller. Or Titus always says, put a. Put a crossbar on top. See where you have to kick through.

That kicker had all time sour puss face after he didn't reach the landing zone. And that was on the sidelines. Like, he was looking like he was blaming something, like he was mad it was all him, but he had the.

Face of like, trying to blame someone else.

Yeah, just like that. That couldn't have been me.

Like something happened.

Like the wind blew up or something. Yeah, that was a great kick.

There is one more thing that Jerry Jones said yesterday that I think that we should. We should discuss. He said that the Cowboys will not have a video tribute for Micah Parsons on Sunday. Oh, he said it's not appropriate.

What does that mean?

Do you agree with Jerry?

No.

You think that they should. You think the Cowboys should do a tribute video for Micah Parsons?

I don't think so. I guess the way it ended.

We're still waiting for the Isaiah Thomas tribute video to come out.

No, they did one. They did one.

Oh, they got that.

Yeah.

But we gotta. We have to establish the criteria for getting it.

Isaiah Thomas definitely deserved one. Micah Parsons, I guess because the way it ended and it's so fresh. I guess not.

Yeah. Oh, here it is. By the way, I have it. This is from Mike sando in the 23 Flores era wins. The defense. The Vikings defense has been 20 times more productive than the offense from EPA standpoint. I don't understand what that means, but it seems significant.

Yeah, I mean, it's kind of an insult stat for the offense.

Yeah. But it also. How good their defense, but also their offense.

Like last year, I never once thought that the Vikings offense was ever even a problem.

Yeah. But it was.

I thought their defense was just that good.

Yeah. Oh, we did have Nick Bosa. He tore his acl. That, that sucks.

Yeah, that. That really sucks because Kyle Shanahan said after the game that they didn't think that it was torn.

Yeah.

And then they looked at it. Good news, though. I think this is maybe the best ACL tear of all time. Because I saw every. Everyone that works in NFL media was tweeting out. It was a perfectly clean tear.

Oh.

Of only the acl.

Oh.

The other ligaments were not affected.

So he's good.

So he's got. Yeah. They're calling it the greatest ACL tear of all time.

There are. The Niners just continue to be the most hurt team.

Yeah.

Every single year. It sucks. They just can't. I don't know what's going on. They just get hurt. All their best players. Maybe it's. Maybe the problem for the Niners is don't have so many good players. Because if you don't have that many good players and someone gets hurt, it's like, well, he wasn't good anyway. They have too many good players, so the odds are one of their good players is going to get hurt.

That's a good point.

Right. Like, if I was building a team, I'd be like, let's build the team out of like mid players. That way if there's someone injured, we're not like, damn, our season's over. Our best player, one of our best players got hurt.

What if you just started all your second stringers to begin the season, It's a good idea too, and let them get hurt. Then it's. You're in the best. The best possible next man up situation.

Yeah, right. Exactly. But yeah, that, that, that sucked that Nick Bosa did that. So I think it's his second time he's torn as ACL Week 2 of 2020 versus the Jets. That stinks. That stinks. Okay, should we talk some college football?

Yeah.

Before we do that, game time. Can we get. Can we get the whiteout game? Because I think Hank and. And Max are gonna.

Yeah, we are.

We are.

We are. The whiteout game.

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We are going to be there and you can too, for the low price of $399.

Oh, okay. Get into.

What's this place called? Matt the Knit Max.

Yep. Yeah, the screwed up everything there.

You called me Matt.

Matt.

And the.

What's the. What's the stadium called? Beaver Stadium.

Yeah, that would be correct.

The knit.

I don't know.

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It's his first time.

I forgot he went to the sec. The.

Yeah, he did a whole tour.

Yeah.

But it is the first time in the Beaver.

It is the first time the Beaver.

Yeah.

Getting that beaver nitty beef.

First big Big ten game. I guess we went to Wisconsin.

Yeah.

Ohio State.

I don't know.

I'm excited for the whiteout.

This is going to be rocking.

It's going to be rocking place. It's going to be literally on fire. I got.

I got a question for you guys. Are we counting this as a big game for James Franklin?

Yes.

100%.

Yes.

This is under the Big game. Hundred capital letter.

Big game.

Is it stealing? I have to wear white, right?

Yes. You got to get a nice. Like real nice. We'll go.

We'll go shopping. We'll Go shopping Friday when we get there.

Yeah, well, I'm just gonna wear. I don't know that I'm aware.

I guess I'll count.

I guess I'll rock.

I'll.

Yeah, I'll bet on Penn State.

Technically, I would agree it's a big game for James Franklin because if they lose, then Oregon will be a top five team.

No, they are a top.

There are a top.

I thought there were six.

Well, I mean, they're.

I thought there were four.

They already are. I mean, if they're ranked six, they're a top five team already. This is absolutely a big game for. For James Franklin.

Oregon has beaten the shit out of teams right now.

Everyone.

Yeah, like it's. It's a big game.

It's an absolutely big game.

It's two teams where we don't really know how good they both look like they're really, really good. But we don't know shit about.

They're five in the coaches.

Five in the coaches, six in the ap. Okay, so depends.

But they're a top five team in my. In my estimation. What are you going to say?

Hey, hasn't Penn State played no.

1? Yeah.

Yeah, correct.

Oregon's also played no. Oregon's played no. 1 as well because Oregon. But.

But they've played better teams than we've.

Then State's.

They've both beaten the shit out of no. 1's.

Yes. Yes. Okay. Winners of the weekend, Indiana and Texas Tech. Put everyone on notice. Those two teams, Indiana, what they did to Illinois was not, I wouldn't say shocking. It was just more, holy shit. Indiana might be better than they were last year. And Kurt Signetti, he's a. He's a maniac. He finds, you know, slights anywhere he can. I think he was. He's still upset about last year in the conversation around Indiana and he's like, I'm going to punish everyone.

That's exactly. Yeah. There's going to be one team that's focused on style points, and that's going to be Indiana. Yeah, they won 63 to 10. He was not happy at halftime either. No, they did the interview. They're like, what do you need to do? He's like, we have to score more points. We didn't do a good enough job of scoring points, but it was like a very even game in terms of how many points were. It was like the entire. All four quarters were just chock full of Indiana beating the dog out of Illinois. And yeah, Sign. He is a. He's a crazy person.

Crazy.

They Talk about him coming from like the, the Nick Saban coaching tree. And he has a lot of the exact same mannerisms and, and, and viewpoints and attitudes that Nick Saban has where he will yell at somebody if they're, if they're up 50 to 10 in the fourth quarter and you drop an interception, he will like grab you and yell at you and cuss you out. He's a complete psycho. He's a great college football coach. I'm wondering if he's going to get gobbled up by like a premier, premier name.

Indiana fans will be mad at you for that.

Well, guess what? I had, I had to deal with the conversation for two years. Yeah. And that's what happens. Like that's the reality of college football. That if there's going to be like a top level job that ever opens up soon and there might be some like at the very peak, Signetti is going to be one of the first three guys that you call.

Yeah. Although he does he, I mean he's got it rolling right now at Indiana. They look really, really good. Mendoza is awesome. He's I think the front runner for Heisman now they have Iowa this weekend and then Oregon in a couple weeks. The other. So Texas Tech was the other big winner for the weekend for me. They went into Utah and just demolished Utah, which doesn't happen very often. This is also Texas Tech. They are very open and brazen about the fact that they bought their roster with oil money. Yeah. I actually like the fact that they're like the, the three guys that I think bought the roster are just always like, they're at the press conferences, they're just walking around just like, yeah, we did this. Yeah, it's so sick.

Oil was the original crypto.

Yeah.

It's like if you can, if you can camp out on a spot and you can, you can make a shitload of money in just a few years. You're probably a die hard college football fan if you grow up in Texas.

Yeah.

So what are you going to do? You're going to reinvest that? If they had, if the Stanford nerds that were making money off crypto cared deeply about football, then Stanford be an elite team too. Texas Tech was very, very fun. And when you looked at this game on paper, just like the reputations of the teams, it's like Utah, they're the team that will just be more physical. It will hurt you, they will punish you. And then the reputation of Texas Tech is they're a candy ass team. They're going to Score.

Air raid. Yeah.

44 points and they're going to give up 52 points?

No, they're.

But that's not it.

Texas Tech's defensive line is nasty.

That's not it at all.

Seven is nasty. And then the Michigan, Nebraska game, I actually came away from that being like, one, Bryce Underwood's really fucking good. Two, Dylan Rayola is really good. Nebraska's defense is what. What stop them. Like, he. He played a good game. I don't understand how we have such a disconnect with everyone in the Dylan Rayola, Patrick Mahomes thing. Like, Matt Rule talked about it. Nebraska fans are talking about it. Like, why you guys keep bringing it up? We don't keep bringing it up. He keeps doing it. He's an awesome quarterback. Just let him be an awesome quarterback. Someone needs to get in his ear and be like, dude, just stop.

The funniest part to me was when he. He, like, throws an interception and he's. He's met hard that he does Patrick Mahomes. I just threw an intercept two hands to the head. It's crazy that I don't get it. Yeah. And then he's like, I'm just trying to be me, and sometimes people don't like me when I'm being me, Dude. Yes. It's weird. Yeah, it's very weird.

You're a really good quarterback. So just be a really good quarterback. That's the part that just is so confusing to me. And like, Matt Rule saying, oh, like, why are we keep talking about it? We. We keep talking about it because he keeps doing it. I. It's as cut and dry as possible. Is it not? Like, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when people are like, why do you keep bringing up. Why you keep clowning on them? I don't know, dude. It's. It's weird at this point.

Yeah, it is.

And when people will come back and say, oh, well, would you idolize. What? You don't think it's that weird? Why?

Because it's like, that's every. Every single person when they're growing up.

Wants to, like, he's not growing up anymore. He's playing in the Big Ten.

College.

He's college. What do you.

What do you say about. What do you say when people make missed free throws in college basketball?

They're just kids.

Okay. Boom.

Yeah. Do you know that I'm doing that as a joke? Because I want.

Nope.

I want to.

They're just kids.

They're so kids on them. And I use that.

They're amateurs.

Hank was proud of himself for that.

He was wrong because he doesn't understand. I'm doing it as a joke.

Just kids.

They're just kids. Never grow up. Yeah. So you have no problem with it? No, I don't.

Okay. Hank, if they're just kids and this is a natural, normal thing for kids to do, how come every other college quarterback hasn't started doing this with other NFL quarterbacks?

I'm sure every other quarterback looks at. They study the film. They don't, you know, maybe mimic everything, but he does.

Like, do they choose a school because it's got the same colors and then wear the same numbers?

Matt Rule, every quarterback is like, why.

Do you wear this number? Because my favorite player growing up, I.

Don'T think you've watched him play.

It's a very normal thing.

He does some. He'll do sidearm passes that are like, you shouldn't. Sidearm pass.

Yeah.

Patrick Mahomes is the. The best quarterback in the NFL.

Hank, he does the. He does the hand thing.

Yeah. Matt Rule started pressure on saying, let's not do the whole Mahomes thing. Let's talk about the football. I agree. Let's talk about the football. Tell him to stop acting like Patrick Mahomes. He's a good football player.

He needs to go to, like, a. Some sort of.

Is he a good football player because he acts like Patrick Mahomes?

No, he's a good football player because he can. He's good at throwing the football.

He needs to go get brainwashed. He needs to spend some time and just, like, sit down in a room with somebody, like a psychiatrist that just gives him some ketamine is like, hey, you are not Patrick Mahomes.

I just feel like, Hank, watch this. Watch this video. Yeah. I feel like it's such an easy solution if you just stop doing the. It's not even like, he can love Patrick Mahomes. He can idolize Patrick Mahomes. It's like the warmups and the fingers and the. How could you say, Hank, every. This is.

His tight end just got engaged.

Yeah. That's a stretch.

You think this is a stretch? You think this is selective clip editing?

All right, Hank's getting. He's shred. He's.

That's like walking out of the tunnel, doing a fan.

Let's go.

And like, jumping up is not like.

Everyone does that pull up the tunnel.

Walk him walking into games. Max is a picture right there.

He's doing the. Look at that. I wouldn't know the difference.

I Mean, look at the picture on the left, Hank, Come on.

Hank, come on. And again, it's so easy for it to stop. Just get a haircut and stop doing it. Yeah. And just be a good quarterback. Because you are. But, yeah, Bryce Underwood is the real deal.

Yeah, he's good. He's going to be just fine.

I'm pretty sure those Oakley glasses are like, legitimately Oakley, like Mahomes brand.

Of course they are.

And then I had the other.

Mahomes is even wearing those in his.

The other thing I wanted to talk about was. What are you going to say, Max? Never mind. Never mind. The. There's three programs that are in some deep, deep shit. One of them is my team. So I wanted to bring them all three up. We can discuss. I'll start with Wisconsin. We're in a lot of trouble. A lot of trouble. Like, dark, dark times. I'm. It's so dark that I basically am being, like, saying things to myself. Hey, what's so bad about just remembering the good old days? Yeah. Like, that's a bad place to be. Because I went back and I looked last night, I was like, so we had 17 straight years from the. From the year I was a freshman to 2019, where we won 9.7 games per year. We had 10 of the 17 years. We won over 10 games. We had a 12 one season, a 13 one season. That's pathetic when I'm doing that, but it is. I don't know the way out. And I think that Wisconsin is at a really weird crossroads where it's like, I know everyone wants to fire Fickle, but I think it's deeper than that.

And you have to like, the. Whoever's in charge. I don't even fucking know. Chancellors, presidents. Commit to being a football school.

Yeah.

Stop fucking around. I also need that guy, the guy who created Timu. Colin Huang, if you're listening from China, hit me up, bro. He's $50 billion. He went to. He got his master's from Wisconsin.

Does he care about football?

I don't know. But I'm going to try to get him to.

He should.

Because people keep blaming me for not spending money I don't have. I don't have the money that you need to. I don't have oil money. I don't have Larry Ellison money. I'm not even. Like, there's so worlds away.

Got that Harambe money?

Colin Huang. Yeah, I got the Harambe money.

So what Wisconsin did is they just. They kind of tried to become Texas Tech. They did the Dare rate offense, right?

Well, no, because we didn't spend millions and millions of dollars on a roster, Right?

But what I'm saying is like Wisconsin tried to stop being Wisconsin a little bit.

It's more the roster. Just like we don't have the talent. We and our quarterbacks keep getting hurt. It's just we're at a crossroads. It's. It's dark. And I know it's going to be dark for a while. I don't know if they're going to win another game this year. We need to figure it out. Got to have it come to Jesus. I don't know who to talk to. Someone give me someone to talk to. Give me a chancellor to talk to. I'm sure that that will go well if I just tell him, hey, you know what? We got a fucking spend more money and figure this out. We're not gonna win another game. Probably. It's bad. It's bad. Fuck you, Hank. I saw a face. It's bad. We have the hardest schedule in the country. You can't. Yeah, Maryland. I know that. What did I just say? We're no darkest of darks. We're in a crossroads. We're at a word. We're in a really bad situation.

If Fickle was. If he was out of a job, there would be lots of teams that would want to hire him, right? Do you think Luke Fickle is not a good head coach or just not a good fit?

No, I think he's. I don't. I don't know what it is. I don't think he forgot how to coach. I. Yeah, the hire was a great hire. At the time, everyone thought it was a home run hire, like every expert, everyone. It just hasn't gone well. So I don't know what the fix is, but it has to be fixed. Or we're just don't play football anymore.

Or you go back to being Wisconsin and you run the football.

You.

You just play the most boring brand of Wisconsin football by me and you win nine games a year.

Also, I would like to see an.

Alpha male coach who should be coaching but isn't coaching to fire the team up.

John Gruden. Okay. I also saw Barry Alvarez. He did, and I love Barry Alvarez, but he tried to do the you're spoiled thing that Dabo did. Yeah. No, it doesn't work. It's been five years that Wisconsin's not been good at football. There's. There's. There's kids who are seniors who have not seen a good football product on the Field. There's no spoiled. And why don't you fucking figure out how to get the. Instead of having all the students go in single file to the student section so it doesn't get full till the second quarter, figure that the fuck out and let them in. And also put the student section in a better spot for the basketball. Start being serious about sports. It's a joke. It's not spoiled. The program has fallen off. It is completely bottomed out. So to be like, oh, you guys are spoiled, that's just wrong. We're not. I think Wisconsin fans are some of the most patient fans. But five years, a long time to be just a shit product in football.

You're friends with Urban Meyer now, right?

I am. Ish. Although I don't know if he knows the difference between me and Brandon. Called Brandon Dan the whole time at dinner.

Would Urban Meyer be amenable to the Wisconsin job?

I don't think so. I think he's liking his job at Fox. Dabo. No. So let's talk about Dabo.

I would not hire Dabo.

He's in a crisis.

Dabo is. I think he's reached the point now where he is. He's outwardly hostile towards Clemson fans.

Well, him saying, maybe we just suck, yeah, that's a pretty good sign that things are not going well.

The crazy thing is people now point back to week one and they say that LSU went over Clemson. Not that impressive because now we know that Clemson just sucks ass. I think that was the one week where Clemson still had like a little bit of that juice because they've got all the good. They've got good players, they've got good recruits. He's got on paper, which should be a good team. Week one, they're going out there thinking, yeah, we're confident we have a chance. We're in this. Then they lose, then everything falls apart. Now it's like Clemson, they're not getting those guys. Those guys aren't going to be as motivated for the rest of the year.

As buying back in.

In week one. Now they're just a bad team and they're. They're a poorly coached team and Dabo doesn't know how to handle it. And he is. He is just in his feelings.

He was crying a little.

Dabo was crying a little bit. They did their little lap around the stadium beforehand. Like a dog before. It takes a. It was. It was a bad. It was a bad scene.

Yeah, it was a bad scene. It feels like it's over for Dabo just because of like the way he. I don't know. I mean, I don't think they should fire him. I also think Dabo probably is overestimating the level of job he would get. And I think he'd obviously get a good job, but I don't know. If you get a premier job if.

You'Re Florida, would you hire Dabo Sweeney? I don't think I would.

I don't think so. With the way like he. This is the.

If I was in constant, I would not hire.

No, because it's. And it goes to the last team, Oklahoma State. It's over for Mike Gundy as well. They lost to Tulsa for the first time since like 1950. It's a common theme of, of coaches or programs not getting with the times and not adjusting to the new era of college football and being left in the past. And so it's bad.

And listen, the times, you could make the argument the times suck. Yeah, it's hard. It's hard to build a college football program. To be a college football coach is probably the most annoying thing ever because you have to worry all the time about which guys that you don't have starting are going to leave in the portal. Which guys do you need to get to come to your school to replace guys that will leave. It sucks. But you have to, you have to badger all the alumni and be like, hey, I need some more money because we need this offensive lineman for nil. It's, it's a shitty time to be a college football coach. But guess what? There's a lot of college football coaches that don't mind doing that stuff and.

They get paid a lot of money.

And they figured it out and paid a shitload of money.

And also I'm not going to be that guy who like when my team goes, starts being bad, be like, well, it's because college football changed and it used to be better. No, no, Figure it out. Get with the times. Fix it. I don't know. Everyone else is figuring out how to fix it. Breaking moves. Mike Gundy fired. Whoa. Oh, wow. So throw this in. Right after we talked about Mike Gundy, he was fired.

Okay. He probably had a not very productive meeting with the athletic director, I would guess on Sunday or Monday. Piece of his mind.

So day after his I'm A Man, I'm 40 anniversary, Mike Gundy fired.

Does Mike Gundy get a new job?

I don't know. Maybe had an all time run.

Mike Gundy is going to be on the news. I feel like he's going to do news Hits.

Yeah, that could be. That could definitely be, like, just get.

He's going to get some takes off.

I'm sad to see him go because he is kind of a fun guy to have around, but, yeah, it felt like this was.

It was time.

It was due to happen with the way that season's been going in the last couple of years. So. Yeah. Mike Gundy fired 170 and 90 overall record. He had that one year. Was it two years ago where they almost went to the playoff? Yeah. It kind of saved him for a second.

He had some really fun teams through the years, too.

Yeah. Yeah. All right. We lose a legend in the college football game.

So this is how bad things are for Clemson and also for unc. For Belichick. By the way, Hank, did you see that video of Belichick and Jordan making out on the sidelines?

Yeah, it's fake.

Jumped into his arms. That was crazy. But here's how bad things have gotten for him. It's gonna be Dabo Swinney against Bill Belichick, coaching against each other. Before the season started, we were all like, oh, I can't wait to watch that. It's gonna be awesome. They moved it to noon. It's the noon game. And Ludacris committed to doing a pregame concert.

Oh, no.

@ UNC. So ludicrous. Now has to go on at 9:45 in the morning in Chapel Hill to perform. Oh, that's not. That's not ludicrous.

Hours.

Oh, bad times.

Yeah. That's gonna be a tough one. I feel like Dabo's gonna try to take out a lot of pain on Bill Belichick because Clemson is still significantly better than unc.

Yeah.

So that might be a.

Hurting, but, yeah, I feel like. I feel like dad was. He's checked out.

Yeah. And then. This weekend's going to be incredible. This weekend is going to be incredible. We have usc, Illinois at noon. We have Ohio State, Washington, which is a sneaky, great game. That's gonna be a tough game for Ohio State. Jed Fish, lsu, Ole Miss. We have Oregon, Penn State, Alabama, Georgia. This is the weekend. Yeah, the weekend.

Also, shout out your plan. Shout out to Oklahoma. They keep winning, but they still haven't forced the turnover.

And also, they did cheat.

They did cheat.

They did cheat.

They did cheat. The sec. They said, hey, hands up. We missed that one. Sorry, guys. They ran the trick play where they sent a guy to the sidelines like the old Johnny Menzel, Kyle Shanahan, and then sent him to the end zone after they Snapped the ball. I don't know why that's a. An illegal play. I guess it's hard to officiate. Yeah, the refs have a tough time keeping track of substitutions. I don't know. It was illegal. They screwed that one up.

Do you. Are you happy the SEC formally apologized if you're an Auburn fan or are you more pissed off?

More pissed.

Yeah. I was saying, like, it'd be the.

NBA last two minutes.

Yeah. If there's like an Auburn fan that printed that out and like put it on their refrigerator. See, the only thing apologized to me.

Yeah, the only thing it does for you is you get to. You get to make fun of Oklahoma fans when they bring up that they beat you. Yeah, like, yeah, but you guys cheated. The SEC admitted to it. Oh, also, we should credit Miami. Yeah, Miami's awesome. Yeah, Miami is awesome. That's another big story from this weekend. That was an ugly game against Florida.

That's all Florida does.

But Miami was their offense and defensive lines are really, really good. You had Michael Irvin on the sidelines. He's now dedicating all of his emotional energy into the Miami Hurricanes because smart. The Cowboys stink smart. And Mario Cristobal is an absolute psychopath. Yes, in the same way as Dan Campbell. Maybe not as smart as Dan, but like, he's a psychopath. Miami is a legitimately good team and we've seen them play like beat teams of their offense and Carson Beck and this time it was just like, we're going to play an ugly game. We got dragged down to Florida's level and they tried to beat us with experience, but we can win that type of game. We can win an ugly game that nobody wants to watch in bad conditions.

Yeah, it was so I feel like.

Miami, Miami is a team and if you look at their schedule, yeah, Miami is going to be in the national championship consideration. And I like what, what they said about what Crystal Ball said about the. You being back. He was like, I don't. That's. Back is a backwards looking statement. I'm trying to build something. I'm not entertaining being back. Ooh, we're here for the first time now.

Their back would be really good.

Their back is really, really good.

Yeah, the. Yeah, no, that was a game. It was a 137 game in the fourth quarter and Miami just like that's a sign of maybe Miami. Old Miami teams might have wilted or there might have been, you know, a play that. That screws them up or defensive. No, they just, they just went in pound town and just like took, took Florida on a ride for some bully ball drives. It was Pound town won that game. Yeah, they took him to pound town. But that was kind of a moment where it's like, is this Miami team for real? It's 13 7. They're better than Florida. But this game has got. Is got the weird vibes of a rivalry game. And then they took him to pound town.

I'm excited about Miami.

Florida State.

Yeah, that's going to be a great game.

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My hot seat is Brandle Chambly.

Oh, what do you do? Okay. Big geek.

Big golf geek hater.

He might be the number one geek in golf.

Yeah. Yeah. He is a big time hate.

And that's a stacked field.

Yeah, really stacked.

He was talking about.

And he's old.

Like he's an old fart.

Come on.

He is. Well, he was. He was talking about Bryson and he said he's a captain's nightmare to. To pick a partner because he's selfish.

He's an iceberg.

And he was talking about how, like, you know, he did a press conference. Instead of talking about the team and how much he likes playing for the team, he brought up his YouTube. So it's like he was, you know, saying he's. He was self. Self sucking himself, promoting and promoting his YouTube. And then this is where I. I really. I put him on the hot seat, because there's just no way. Brandle Shambley is. Is this locked in or. I don't think this is true, first of all. But he said, I have no doubt that bots are generating a lot of those views. He called them out for bots on his YouTube.

Bot farming.

Yeah.

Randall Chambly.

Randall Chambly is. Is somehow in the know enough to know about, you know, YouTube views.

And.

And that bots are the reason that Bryson's, which it is objectively, like, I. I love YouTube Golf. It's like Bryson's content is probably the most unique, and it's very interesting and entertaining. Like, of course people are watching it.

What about all the kids that come up to him and say, I love your content. Thank you for doing the YouTube content, Bryce.

Yeah, those are those bots. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Hank, I got a question. So we're gonna do a Ryder cup preview with Shane Bacon on Friday show, because Friday is when the R. And we'll talk about the Ryder cup. Set the scene, everything. I got a question for you. I saw a tweet from Glute Activator that I happen to agree with. The hype videos are way too early. They're dropping. They're dry. They're dropping hype videos on a Monday. I need a video on Thursday night.

No, I kind of agree with Ryder cup week.

I agree with glued activator.

Yeah.

But I. I might even go one step further. Golf is not a hype video sport.

It's a hard hype video.

It's not a hype video sport. And golf, you don't want to be.

Hyped, but it's too early to get rid of. Yeah, but, Hank, it's too early to get hype. It's not that. The hype videos.

Did you watch the video the Firefighter?

Yeah, and guess what? I'm gonna forget about it by Friday. Were you not fired up on Monday?

Yeah, I want to get hyped up after we beat Europe.

I want to get hyped up right before I want to get hyped up. Right before. By the way, what's your Ryder cup plan being at NIT Valley on Saturday? You're our number one golf expert.

Yeah, I'm going to watch on Saturday. I'm probably going to have to find a bar and watch college football in.

The Ryder Cup Sunday morning.

Sunday, I'll be. I'll be here.

You're going to be back in time.

I land at 8, and I'm just going to come straight to the office.

Okay.

Ireland and Ryder Cup.

Nice.

Hank. You're going to knit Valley.

Yep.

To the Big Beef.

Big beef.

You're a Duck, though, right?

At heart. You are a Duck.

You are Duck. You've got ties with Oregon. Close ties.

Some of.

Some of your closest people that you work with pretty much. Pretty much work at Oregon.

Are you gonna root for State Pen or.

Yeah, and this seems like it's the matchup where it's like, I know your allegiances to this guy.

We are going to the game.

If you turn against. If you. If you root for Penn State, you're gonna.

No, no, State. Pat.

If you root for State Pen, you're gonna lose a friend.

I disagree. I mean, I think.

I think, me, if I were going to this game, I'd root for Oregon. Duck. I'd come in as a Duck. I go, quack, quack, quack, quack. That's me.

Because we are.

We are.

Let's go, let's go, let's go.

We are.

We are. We are. Wow. Good question.

Are you going to bet?

Yeah.

On Penn State?

Wow. Yeah. See, you even say it the right.

Way now or maybe the over. I don't know.

Okay.

But, yeah, we are white out.

You're going to the game.

It's like you got to root for the home team.

Just root for the over. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

And then Scotty. Scotty did a press conference talking about Bryce. He said he's a tremendous competitor. He's a great partner as well. He's a great guy. He's a good friend. He's been great in our team room and brings a lot of energy, and people love him. Being an American means a lot to him, and I'm excited to kind of unleash him this week.

Are you worried at all about the players being paid? Has it ruined the love of the game? No. Okay, same. Yeah, Agreed.

I'm okay with that.

I see. I've just seen people complain about that. I'm like, I. I thought they did get paid. I don't fucking care. They should get.

I mean, everyone else is getting, like.

Also, they're probably getting paid.

Like the networks are getting paid. The US like all everyone else involved in the Ryder cup is getting paid.

What are the match about that two years ago, right?

Yeah.

And it's kind of horseshit that they didn't pay the guys.

What are they getting paid?

I don't know. But, I mean, Bryson's already said he's donating it. Scotty said he's like. It's like everyone's going to just take the money and give it to a better.

If I ever.

They're part of something that's generating a fuckload of money. They should get paid. And I'm. I'm sure 99 of the guys are.

All right.

We're finding out. $500,000 each. I'll say right now, if I ever. If they ever call me my country, to. To compete in the Rider Cup, I will absolute, absolutely donate every single cent of the pay to charity. Wow.

I'll pay them.

Yeah.

How about that? So Scotty is donating it, right?

Scotty and Bryson. I've seen.

Bryson's probably just reinvesting it into, like a server building.

No.

Oh, wait, hold on.

House all his bots.

Hold on. It's $500,000 each. 300,000 going to the chosen charity. So they're kind of getting. They don't really get credit for this charity.

Oh, they're being forced.

Me.

I would. I would then give the 200,000 as a personal stipend that would go to charity and probably a match. I'd probably do 400,000 to charity. 300,000 also to charity.

Yeah, I double it.

So set. So maybe put that on a quote card. If I were in the Ryder Cup, I would give $700,000 to charity.

That's big of you.

Thank you. Appreciate it.

You'll be good two years. You'll be good at golf by then.

Yep, I am. Oh, you're going to hate it. You're going to hate it when I just one day show up and beat you. Breaking news.

Breaking news.

Breaking news. Oh, we got him.

Jackson D. The dart attack is starting on Sunday versus the Chargers. This is to be expected. To be expected.

Okay.

Russell Wilson. That. That goal line sequence, that was.

Was tough. The throwaway on fourth down. Yeah, because we were recording when we did it. So when we do that, I have to go back and I have to watch the games again and just get a general appreciation for how ridiculous that goal line sequence was. It was worse than I thought.

I would love to know how many times someone's gotten intentional grounding from the two yard line.

Yeah. Yeah.

That was like, unfathomable.

Beyond bad.

He came close to getting intentional grounding on fourth down from the two yard line again.

Yeah. Yeah.

And then my cool throne is. Is SEC football this league?

Yep.

Landry Kiffin.

Yeah.

Lane Kiffin's daughter is apparently in a relationship with Whit Weeks, who's LSU's best linebacker. And they posted a picture that was just hard launching. It just said hard launch. And they're playing this week. Lsu Ole Miss.

Am I. Am I wrong in saying this is good for Ole Miss? Yeah. Like, I saw it and I immediately was like, first of all, it's a hard launch. I don't know.

I feel like you can spin it whichever way you want.

I disagree. I. I think you are wrong.

Yeah. Yeah. Hear me out. So it was a hard launch.

I think big cats are on.

Yes.

Okay. It was a hard launch for the couple. On the Internet, Lane Kiffin has known that they've been dating for a while now. 100. It's his daughter.

Right.

You don't think that he's had a little. Little. Maybe a few too many soda pops with Weeks and just been like, hey, let's get on the whiteboard real quick.

I don't think Lane drinks anymore.

Okay, well, whatever. They've just been hanging out. Hey, let's get on the whiteboard. Show me. Show me what you guys like to run. Which basically.

Do you think they're boys?

I think they're boys.

I. I disagree. I think that this is huge. For.

Who do you think it's a bigger distraction for?

Yeah. So I saw he was.

Lane Kiffin was making jokes about it right away. He knew this. He knew they were dating. Yeah. I don't think he cares what I.

Saw last night from Lane Kiffin, a man who, who logged on and was posting through it and told somebody take the over.

Yeah.

In the game.

Yeah.

Which is kind of weird for a coach to be doing that.

Well, it's because he knows their defense, because he's had conversations with Weeks.

I don't know.

I.

If you're looking at the mental edge, I feel like lsu, they can just be like, hey, she calls him daddy, too.

No, I. I think this is. I think Lane Kiffin's got some. Got some keys to the game now. I feel you can.

I feel like it's.

It's a.

It's a good spin zone. You can. If you work hard enough, you can spin it whichever way you want.

I mean, Lane Kevin joking about it almost immediately means that he's known about this relationship for a while.

It is.

I think everyone thinks, like, oh, shit, Lane Kiffin just got a bomb dropped on him. He's definitely known. They've been dating for a while.

It is a Romeo and Juliet situation.

Yeah, it's great. This league classic sec.

Well, what's crazy. So LSU is the underdog this weekend. Yeah, I feel like that's. That's better for the underdog. Whichever side was the underdog, I would say benefits from this news.

Okay, take the over. It was weeks of one thing. Weeks of one thing. The over. Yeah. He said, take the over, kid. Household must be in shambles. See, that's the thing is I don't. If. If he didn't know about it, I would understand being like, holy shit. What about. He definitely knew about it, but he.

Could have been like.

Because he played. He had fun with it right away. He posted a picture of her. I think he probably, like, she's still rooting for Ole Miss.

I think he probably did know about it, but she also took maybe the worst time possible to announce it.

Like.

Like, she did this strategically or was. It's not a coincidence that she said, okay, it's LSU week.

Yeah.

I'm going to right that in any world is a bigger distraction for dad.

You maybe. Lane Kiffin said, hey, let's wait to announce it on LSU week.

But how would that benefit him? That just gets him talking about it.

Making Joe stock. Thinking about game plans. He's already thinking about game plans. He's already talked to Weeks about what they're going to run on defense.

Oh, I think if your daughter does this during this week, it feels like it's. It's to jab you.

I agree.

I don't think so. I think he's having so much fun with it right away that. That reeks of coordinated attack.

It reeks of. I'm actually.

No, I don't have a choice. Like, I wish you didn't do it.

But I'm actually laughing. I'm not.

I'm not mad.

Yeah, please don't print that I got mad.

Yeah, no, yeah. Yeah. See it the other way. Okay.

Embrace debate. We'll find out. Hey, that's what makes college football so fun, right? We get to find out.

It's great. It's great when he starts running. When he starts running. Action right at Weeks face.

I do think that if you're an industrious young student in Baton Rouge, a shirt that said she calls him Daddy, too, with A picture of wit weeks would go hard. You could sell. You could make a couple $10,000 mid five figures on that.

Yeah. I would agree. I would agree. Make some. Make some T shirts. Get the T shirt. The game isn't Ole Miss, but make some T shirts. Get it going. Yeah.

You can still do T shirts.

Yeah, for sure. Okay. Your hot seat. Cool throwing. Pft.

My hot seat is me and Hank's relationship.

Oh.

Because not again. We got a great relationship.

Are you guys going to get out of this golf?

We're going to golf our way through it. We have. We. We have a video, Hank and I from the Ryder cup that we're gonna be putting out. Hank and I went head to head in the Ryder Cup.

Great match.

And is that coming out Thursday?

Thursday or Friday?

Thursday or Friday.

One of those two days.

A great match. It was. It was teacher again. Student. Hank's been doing a great job working me on my swing, get me ready for the Internet invitational. And I was dealing with an excruciating back problem at the time, but I said, put me in their coach. I want the opportunity to play against my. My real coach off the field. And I had fun playing with you. And we'll see who won.

Sounds like fun. Yeah.

I don't understand the hots.

What?

What?

Well, it's just us competing against each other at something that we care so deeply about. Like, emotions were high.

Yeah.

It was fun. I love. I love competing against you. I'm excited for. For our match. Even though PFT's secretly been taking lessons and won't admit it.

Oh, this is.

This.

Is that a fair accusation?

I don't want to tell Hank if it's a fair accusation or not, but it's not.

Okay.

I have not taken a single lesson, but I figured something out.

Oh, but Hank sounds like a lesson.

This is actually great. No, this is actually great.

As someone who watched him swing for. For two months, Hank is going around the office. I've seen him in the last two weeks, and it's like something has drastically changed.

You're drastically. Hank's going around the office telling everybody, pft got a lesson, and I didn't get a lesson. And he is so rattled by my new swing that it's awesome for me.

Also, what's right, he's allowed to get a lesson.

No, I know.

No, I know. No, it's more. He just won't admit it. Like, it's like I. I again, like, I spent so much time watching him, and if you watch, you know, the first couple Ryder cup matches. He struggled. Struggled mightily.

And no, I won the first Ryder.

Cup match or the second rider, whatever.

The alternate shop didn't play well and.

You had back issues and there was just, you know, I, I knew like I was your coach. I knew how far you were hitting your clubs and stuff. And then I've seen you in the last two weeks and it's like 20, 30, 40 yards difference.

I told you I figured something out.

Yeah, figure something out.

Which I feel like means lesson, but you won't.

I did ask for lessons and I had people that reached out to me about lessons and I did not take them up on it. I said, I'm. I'm a man. I don't listen. I'm not gonna let another man tell me how to swing a golf club.

True.

Kind of Sus are your cool throne. My cool throne is everyone. All of us. Oh, because we're still here.

Oh, yeah. The Rapture.

The Rapture. The Rapture was going to be. It didn't happen.

So maybe not yet. Day's not over, but it's.

I feel like Tuesday's over in some parts of the world already.

That's true.

So it didn't happen on Tuesday.

You're listening to this. Then we made it.

It was supposed to happen. We're supposed to get the Rapture today, which is when Jesus comes down to earth and then takes like a billion people up to heaven and Thanos. Yeah, well, then the rest of us have to stay down here and sort it out. Then we get a seven year grace, Thanos. Then we get seven years to figure it out amongst ourselves. It's like when you're parents send you to your room and they're like, hey, go and think about what you've done and I'm gonna come get you and you tell me what you did wrong, then you can come out. That's what Jesus is going to do during the Rapture. And then everyone on earth, we get like a do over and we get to then be like, hey, yeah, when you come back, I want to get raptured, so I'm going to get baptized and believe in you.

Who decided it was the Rapture today?

One guy on Tick Tock.

You got to kill yourself.

No, that's not how raptures.

Now if you call the end of the world and it doesn't end, you can't be here anymore, buddy. You're out. That's, that's. I mean, that's a cult thing. Like when they did the Heaven's Gate and they're like, yeah, it's coming down. Like, dude, if you try to call your shot, you got to be out.

At the end of the day. I do. Like, you got to take your hat off to the heavens gate cult. Yeah, but I'm just saying they're about that life.

Yeah, they swaggy as fuck. But I'm just saying, like, you can't call the end of the world and then have it not happen and then still be here. That's not fair.

In theory, yes, but everybody that's ever predicted the end of the world should be out, they'll just spin it. They'll just be like, should be out rule. We got to wait. God was testing me to see if I believe that there would be a rapture. But turns out I passed that test by telling everyone else. So now stand by because he's going to come back to me when it's really time.

Think about how electric it would be if that was a rule. Because, like, hey, if someone's going to call it, like, you're putting your life on the line. Yeah. You better really mean it. You can't just say it. Yeah. Otherwise people just fucking say it everywhere. Oh, yeah. Fucking 20, 2048, world's gonna end. Yep. No. All right. It doesn't happen. You got to be out. I think that's a hard and fast rule.

So we did not get raptured. We're still around.

Okay.

I did like the advice that people were giving on TikTok, though.

About what?

About the rapture. About how to handle being raptured. If it's your first time, they were saying, okay, so don't look down because it's going to be scary. As you're floating up, you want to keep your eyes in front of you. Maybe keep your eyes even pointed upwards. You want to take deep breaths through your nose, out through. They're getting really deep into the advice.

What are you gonna say? Counterpoint. The rapture could have happened. Yeah. Because it says because we're the. That would mean we're the. We're the.

What do you mean?

Like, the good people get sucked up into the sky and the bad people are left to rock. It's plot of this is the end.

But I feel like you.

But I'm fine with that.

Yeah.

Don't you go to hell in a bucket. Don't you say, enjoy the sucked up. We. What? That means we're. We're the bat. We wouldn't know. We've been in here for. We. We don't know anyone good Enough to get raptured.

Zach would have gotten raptured.

I don't know. He didn't text that girl back for a while.

I think Zach would go, we have.

Been here in here for a little bit now.

The Roger could have happened.

Yeah. What if we were the last ones around? Yeah.

I would love to see Zach meeting Jesus. Oh, thank you, sir. You're so nice.

Oh. Oh, hello, sir. Oh, sir. Would you like some ice cream, sir?

Sir. How are you doing?

All right. My hot seat is Auburn basketball. Bruce Pearl has named his son Stephen the head coach, five year contract. We like Bruce Pearl. We like Stephen. But Bruce Pearl did have a receipt pulled on him when Stephen A. Smith was speaking about nepotism in sports. And Bronny James. Bruce Pearl said, preach. Stephen A. This is. Listen, I'm, I'm fine with it. Just be like, yeah, this is. He's probably not qualified, but I wanted my son to have a job. So I'm going to, I'm going to retire right before the season when no one can transfer.

Yeah. It's a kind of a strange time to announce it. Some people were speculating that he's going to run for Senate.

Well, I don't think it's actually not a strange time. I think this is the new move because you basically lock in your roster. Like if he announced it right after the tournament last year. Yeah. He doesn't set up his son to have a successful transition now. He kind of has set him up.

That's true. But it also is like last minute thing.

Yeah.

For the fan base.

Yeah. But I think that's a team by, by design. Yeah.

But for the team, it's like, I don't know. I feel like that's an announcement that should be made way earlier in the off season. Want to set up his son instead of the day before you get started.

He wanted to set up a son. Yeah. I.

Some people say he might run for Senate, which would set up potentially a race between Bruce Pearl and former Tennessee football coach Derek Dooley. So two former Tennessee coaches that were there at the exact same time would be running for Senate in Alabama. Bruce I don't think is indicating that he's going to run yet.

Okay.

But he might. He might because Tuberville is on his way out and Bruce Pearl, at least he won.

I do like this good coach. I do love that in the south, like they're like, yeah, who should run our, our state? Yeah. A coach.

The reality is if you're running, if you're running for Senate in Alabama, you're just begging that Nick Saban doesn't throw his hat in the room.

Right? Because Tommy Tuberville. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You want to coach? You want to coach in charge. And then my cool throne, it was going to be some. Oh, I guess I'll just do this. What? Bill Nye got a Hollywood walk of fame and Jalen Brown was there. Oh, cool. Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill. What? It's kind of random. He just respects science.

He loves Bill Nye.

Oh, he does? Yeah. I didn't know that.

Yeah, yeah, he like tweeted like a long. Like when he was in college, like, I really want to meet Bill Nye, Bill.

That's very funny.

Bill Nye came to one Celtics games and like, it was like a big look at him.

He gave him. He gave a speech. That's really funny.

That's awesome. That's aura right there.

Yeah, that is. Or that's maximum.

That's a leader.

Yeah.

I respect Bill Nye just as a. As a human. He would be probably top five for me in terms of. If Bill Nye was canceled for being a scumbag. That would like, that would wreck my childhood. Yeah, it's him and Weird Al. Those are the two big ones.

Oh, wow. Yeah, they are boys. That's very funny. All right, Zach. Hot seat. Cool to run. My hot seat this week is Gervonta Davis. Did any of you guys see the presser with Javante and Jake Paul? Yes. Yes. Tank. Yeah. He is a three time world champion, but size different wise.

The only requirement they have on, like.

The weight for the fight is that you can't go over 195 pounds. He's like 7 inches shorter, 9 inches of reach. Yeah, I know. He's way better of a fighter. Is there a chance he just gets starched by someone this much bigger? It is going to be a great test of like, he's a significantly better boxer, but he is way shorter on.

Tomorrow'S part of my take. Yeah, that's what I see when I see that picture.

There it is. By the way, congrats. You signed Desmond Watson. Zach, That's. That's huge for Desmond. Great for us, but massive for Desmond and the touch push. I don't know. We. We historically do pretty well against a tush push. Yeah, get him in. Before Desmond, we had a 400 pound guy to our tush push package. Yeah. Vita Ve and Desmond, that's a lot of meat.

Is Lane playing big body?

He said he was gonna play. All right. Mike Evans out for three to Four weeks. That's a bummer. Disappointing, but I'm just glad it's not the whole season. Hope he gets well soon. Yeah. All right. Your cool throne. My cool throne this week is Call of Duty Enjoyers because the multiplayer for Black Ops 7's trailer did drop. Oh. And I think it's gonna be we're taking a little bit more of. Or they're taking a little bit more of a futuristic approach again, which we haven't seen since Infinite Warfare. A little bit of wall running. 30 maps at launch or 30 weapons at launch. 18 maps. I think it'll be good. Okay. All right. It's gonna be a lot of fun. I could be just overly optimistic because I don't want it to suck, but.

For right now, I think it'll be good.

Okay. Good. Hot seat. Cool throne. All right, let's get to our interviews. We got Greg Olson and then Goose the band. And then we'll finish up with Pardon your takes.

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Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest. It is our guy, Greg Olson. You can hear him on Sundays. Uh, Greg, thank you for joining us. Thank you for not dressing like an umpire. Should we talk about that? Because. Let's talk about it. Yeah. Dave was busting your balls on Monday morning on Wake Up Barstool. Uh, you did look like an umpire. I don't know if we would have said anything because we've already said something about your sport coat. We've already Gone down that path. Then everyone was like, oh, Greg Olson hates Dave. Do you hate Dave? Of.

I actually was just Texting with Dave 30 minutes ago. And no, I don't. I've known Dave for 20 years.

Right.

We go way back. You're allowed to bust your buddy's balls, but the key is you got to give it right back to him.

Right.

Like it can't be a one sided deal. Dave and I have known each other for a long time. We bust each other's balls a lot over the years. Of course I don't hate him.

Yeah, yeah, it was, it was very clear to me the Internet was going to run with it and it was like, yeah, that's okay.

We actually was.

Yeah, we've known Greg forever and to be honest, like, you were dressed like an umpire.

Yeah, I mean, I think it was. I mean, I don't, I don't need the, I don't need the Barstool edit guys making like, what are those, like those memes of me dressed like an umpire. I thought maybe my, my credibility with the Barstool brand maybe would. We don't need to make it like I'm like the, the butt of the joke.

Yeah, yeah.

But you know what?

That, that kind of was on you because you dressed like an umpire. So that was kind of on you also.

Some guy. Sometimes guys are just sick of each other's shit.

Yeah.

And so you got to just bust your.

You just gotta go back. And it's all in good fun. And it's all in good. It's all, it's all in love. And I actually was literally texting with Dave before I came on the show 30 minutes ago, joking about how the Internet is amazing and the Internet is crazy and everyone thinks we hate each other and I'm just gonna let it be out there and just let it fester.

Yeah.

Okay, well, are you gonna stop dressing like an umpire moving forward?

No, I'm not gonna really give much more thoughts into my outfits. The hat and the shirt were not supposed to go together. I was, I was out of town. I flew for my game. I was in. I had to fly to New York. I had to do a meeting in the morning. It was early. I got up before I had to, to do Dave's show, which I'm happy to do. Didn't feel like doing my hair. I had gotten dressed for the day and then that was the only hat that I had. So I was like, I'm not gonna. I can wear a hat on this show. Hence I'm wearing a hat today.

Yep.

It was the only hat I had, and I hadn't done my hair.

And.

It never dawned on me that I looked like an umpire.

But next week, you should have a chest protect.

Yeah. You should lean into it. Just go all the way.

I might go mask.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that'd be good.

Lean in.

Yeah. Okay, go ahead.

Yeah, I was like.

I was gonna wear my sport coat on here today.

Oh, yeah, that one that looks like you shot a couch and then.

Yeah.

Had it upholstered onto your chest.

Yeah.

Yeah, That's a good one.

You tried to shame me and say that your wife picked it out. Make me feel bad. Yeah, I know.

She did pick it out. And she. She's yet to try your coffee ever again.

Probably because she didn't want anybody at home being like, oh, my husband's hot. I'm gonna make a him wear the ugliest thing possible. Mine.

That's a good spin. My husband is so hot, I have to dress him down.

Yes. Yeah, that's exactly what.

That's why I dress like this.

Yeah.

I'm going. I'm moving with. I'm moving forward with that. I like that.

I like that one. All right, so week three is in the books. You have done three games. Obviously, so far, you've done the same. The 49ers, Seahawks, Giants, Dallas Rams, Eagles. Out of those six, team, who are you most impressed with? I assume it's going to be the Eagles, but let's talk about the games you've actually covered, because I feel like you get extra insight into those.

Yeah, I mean, as far as team that I think can make the longest run, the deepest run, I think, of the six that I've seen. Yeah, I think Philly and the Rams. I mean, I think Philly and the Rams. I know the Rams lost, but I thought for most of the game, they controlled it. They dominated the entire first half. The score. We said it over and over. They kept settling for field goals. They couldn't punch it in. And the game felt so much worse than the score was at halftime. Then they come out, they get the quick turnaround on the strip sack score, and you go, oh, my God, are we in for a boat race? And then all of a sudden, the Eagles decided to let Jalen Hurts play quarterback and start throwing the ball to AJ Brown and Devontae Smith and Dallas Goddard, and they started going up and down the field. I think that took some pressure off the Philly defense that they settled in. And I think the fast start by The Rams, especially defensively, was kind of wasted because they just couldn't score enough touchdowns. And you're going to continue to see teams do it.

And you know, we saw it last night with the Lions game. Like, everyone has to stop thinking kicking the ball is all. The days of we're going to play field position, the days of let's just take the points, those have to be over. You are going to lose. In the NFL nowadays, every time you kick the ball, a punt or a kick or a field goal, it's a bad play. Unless it is a 50 plus yard field goal on 4th and long, you should not kick field goals that much in a game or you're going to lose. And we see it time and time again.

Yeah, yeah, it's a good point.

It is a good point. And yeah, I, I think coaches are starting to catch up to that. And that's the way the NFL is going. And every time Dan Campbell does it, it's for a reason. And he's made his name as being an aggressive coach. I think the players like it too. I think it's just part of like the, the culture of that team that he's got where if you know that your coach believes in you and believes in your defense too, conversely, if you don't get it, I feel like that's just something that, that helps everybody in the locker room all get on the same page.

There's no doubt. And when it becomes ingrained in everything that you do, there's no question, there's no. Half the huddle is saying, why are we doing this? And half the huddle is excited. Like you're saying, it's, it's baked in. The other aspect of this that I think needs to get a lot more conversation is everyone right now is talking about analytics and these charts and go for it, and they don't. But the real, it really boils down to, for a lot of head coaches. So we'll take Dan Campbell. Dan Campbell can lose that playoff game a couple of years ago where they went over on fourth down and he can stand at the podium and he's confident enough and, and stands tall enough and says, you know what, it didn't work today. I'll take that as the coach. We lost the game because I was aggressive on fourth down and we didn't win. Not a lot of coaches like standing there saying, it falls on me.

Right?

Right. When you get a field goal blocked or you fail, you know, you don't you. We kick a lot of field goals. We got to get better. We have to execute better. The kicker has to be better. The long snapper has to be better. There's a lot of guys that have to be better. When you fail on fourth down, the only guy that gets asked is the head coach, why did you go for it on fourth down? Why did you pass up points? Why didn't you punt? Or whatever? The question is, it takes a certain type of guy to stand up there when it doesn't work out and say, you know what? That's on me. I'm good with it. And if I could do it all over again, I'm going to do it again. Like, that's what it takes. Everyone wants to do it, but not everyone wants to answer the questions if it fails.

Yeah.

And that's why I'm okay with it. When he does it in the playoffs and it doesn't work and they end up going home for the season. They did it all year long. I'm. I'm completely. I will never trash Dan Campbell for being too aggressive in a game, even if it's a playoff game that a field goal might have helped them win in that case, because that's not who he is. Hank is not here right now. I think he is boycotting this interview because he took Dave's side in the beef. But he and Big, what was his take? I think. I think Hank is just going to take his side in any. Any beef involving Dave. I think it's kind of how he operates. But Hank and me and Big Cat have had a little back and forth in the last couple weeks about. About Tom Brady being in the Raiders booth after calling the games. And we tried to force him to admit that it was weird that you have an NFL owner that's on the headset in the booth that's also doing this. You know, the. The advanced meetings that you're having, the prep meetings.

So you are in the business. I. I'm curious to know what kind of information gets shared as you're going into a game. Like, what. What type of prep do you put in? And how much info do you actually get from teams?

I'm gonna answer your question, but literally, as you were asking that question, I got a text from Big Cat, and I checked my phone, and it was a picture of an umpire.

Yeah. So Memes. Memes is sending us edits. So then I was like, oh, shit, here's an edit. I'm gonna send it to you. So, yeah, it's very funny. We put it up in the YouTube while you're watching this Good thing I got thick skin.

It's a good thing. Tell Hank. Hank to stop being so sensitive. Me and Dave, very, very good. And we're fine.

Okay. Right.

So to answer your question, it depends on who you talk to, right? Like, there are some coaches where we know going into the meeting, we only have to talk to them. They're going to be very forthright. They're going to be very honest. They're going to tell us exactly where the matchups are, exactly what the thought processes are. Here's how we're going to handle the game. Expect more pass, expect more heavy person. You know, whatever it is, they're going to tell us, and they know over years of doing this now that there's a level of trust that. That it's sacred and that it doesn't go any further. And then obviously it's not going to be shared with anyone outside of the call, and it just helps us do our job. Injuries and starting lineups and whatnot. There are some teams and some coaches who tell you nothing. And it's not personal. It's just. It's their style. It's their nature, and they don't offer up anything outside of very coach speak. It almost is more like a press conference, right? We're going to. We got to protect the ball. We've got to do a better job on third down.

We got to play hard. The other team is so good. This is a huge challenge. And then you hang up and you say, I could have gotten that from their press conference. So you get both ends of the spectrum, and then obviously some degrees of difference in between, but every team, it's up to them. So in regards to Tom, like, I've said this now a few times, like, I have no problems with it. However, a team wants to handle their production meetings with me. With him, the situation is entirely up to them. And whatever they see fit that they think protects their information, they have every right to. So if Tom, you know, if they don't want to tell Tom anything, great. If they feel comfortable and they don't think Tom's going to take it and go anywhere with it, which I assume he's not, then they'll tell them more than they can. So, like, it really isn't that big of a deal. There's one or two nuggets from every production meeting, on average, that really ever make the broadcast.

I guess being prepared, like if you were. If you were a TV announcer for the Mexican Football League while also serving as an owner of our Osos, our beloved Osos do you think that the other coaches would share things with you and be as open with you?

That's a great question. I feel like we should test it.

Yeah, we should test it. Would you call a game for the Mexican football league?

Can I do it in English?

Yeah, I think so.

No, I'm just be like, bueno, Puerto.

Bano quarterback and then just never come back.

Los osos estan bueno football.

I could just say that over and over and over.

Yeah. Yeah. Malo. Yeah.

Interception.

Malo. Yeah.

Oh, no.

Goal.

Yeah. Hit him with a goal.

You've ready had more Spanish than I know. So you guys, you maybe you should do it and I'll just be like the sidekick.

Okay. I like that. Yeah.

Sunday, Ravens, Chiefs. Whoever loses that game, should we be concerned? Yeah.

I mean, now, you know, now we're starting to get into, you know, the first couple of weeks of the season. I think everyone jumps to conclusions and everyone jumps to just try to, you know, either crown the team who they think is the best and then they let us down, or they try to, you know, all but, you know, toss a team to the side and they end up getting hot. I think we've done that to the Chiefs multiple years over the, you know, over time. And they always seem down the stretch to find their way and show up in the playoffs and win playoff games. No one gives them a chance to, and next thing you know, they're in the super bowl and win or lose the Super Bowl. So I feel like we've tried to do this to the Chiefs before and we all need to learn our lesson to like, give them the entire season to figure it out, because all they really have to do nowadays is make the playoffs. And do you really want to play them in the playoffs? Andy Reid and Mahomes in a one game winner take all?

Probably not. I still think Baltimore is a really good team. I've now seen them lose a couple games through the first three weeks that I said, how the hell did they lose those games? They played well offensively. The turnovers obviously have now happened twice. You know, they've lost now two games with Derek Henry having a big fumble down the stretch. I watched three quarters of last night's game. I still think they're really good. I think defensively they got some issues. I think defensively they got to tighten it up a little bit, but I think Lamar and that offense is still explosive. They didn't get a ton out of the run game last night with Derek Henry and then once he fumbled, I don't know if he even played again. I really try not to put indictments on teams after week four or five. Like when it's week 12, 14, and we really get into, you know, the holidays, then I think we'll really have a good picture of what teams are capable of, who can go far, who's kind of a flash in the pan. I think to make those decisions in even four games is just really hard.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fair. And the Ravens last year, they kind of changed their identity, especially on defense, and they pulled it together. So they're capable of.

They started terribly on defense last year and then became one of the best defenses in football, give or take, around the halfway point. So why are they having to do it again? There's a million reasons that this happens, and coaches have to reinvent themselves, but it's not something we haven't seen at either team. We've seen the Chiefs start slow offensively and their defense be really good and lose some close ones, but you're like, all right, they're actually better than. Maybe we give them credit. And then Baltimore, same way. Their offense, obviously has been scoring a lot of points. They just, you know, they have that one turnover. And then obviously defensively, they're not nearly as good right now as they were the back half of last year.

So. Question about the fumbles. Do you have. This is a fun Greg Olson trivia question. How many fumbles did you have in your career?

My. I'm gonna answer your question. I gotta add them up in my head. My. But I'll. I want to add my own answer to a question you didn't ask me.

Okay.

My most embarrassing, worst NFL game of my entire life, ironically, I was playing for the Bears. We were playing against the Carolina Panthers, which was odd because I ended up getting traded there. And my second year, so this was like 2008, we were in Carolina. I had two passes thrown to me, caught them both, fumbled them both, lost both fumbles, and we lost game. That was probably the low of my lows.

Okay.

So thank you. I got it out of the way early, So I had two. I would say in my 14 years, I had six.

You had. So here's the crazy part about your career. You had seven fumbles, but you are net only down one because you either. You recovered six. That's pretty crazy.

Well, I. Off the top of my head, there's.

A year where you didn't fumble. In 09, you didn't fumble, but you recovered two.

Oh, I recovered other people's Fumbles?

Yeah. Yeah. So you're only net down one.

Yeah. Oh, so I had a great career.

Yeah. That's incredible.

Yeah, it's like a plus minus. I thought you meant I recovered six of my own.

No, you recovered other people's fumbles.

Oh yeah. See when you recover other people's fumbles, it's like your fumbles never happen.

Yes. So you only have one fumble in your career. So but the question, 14 years a.

Minus one in the turnover battle.

It's pretty good. So my, my question though is like what do you do if you. I don't think Derek Henry has like fumble itis. But what happens after you have three games to start the season? Three fumbles. Like is it as simple as going old school and just walking around with the football all day?

Well, if you're someone other than Derek Henry, your playing time probably goes down pretty significant.

Yep.

I don't imagine I, if I was Derek Henry's coach, if I was Harbaugh, I would not alter his touches. He's Derek Henry. He's been doing this for a long time. He's one of the best backs we've ever seen. So like I'm not going to over correct and just like remove him from the game. I think you're, I think the defense would say sure, have your non fumble running back. We don't have to tackle Derek Henry. So I don't want to do the defense any favors by taking carries out of his hand. I think a lot of the times it becomes mental and what you don't want, especially for a guy like Derek Henry, is where he's. You see these guys and they're so worried about ball security and their two hands and they're cupping the wrist and they're running so tight that they're not nearly as effective as a runner where the fear of fumbling almost makes them unaffective. Right. Because their only hope is are you can tackle me, knock me down. I'm not going to try to stiff arm you. I'm not going to try to really be aggressive running through contact because at the end of the play the only thing I care about for the next couple weeks is that I don't fumble again.

You can't have that. You can't have that as your running back. It doesn't matter who you are. So I think it's business as usual. I think it's one of those things if you, you over focus on it, you can almost make it worse.

Right.

I don't think he needs to be out There with a thousand bungee cords on a ball and doing. I think he's got to do his normal ball security drills, his normal off running back individual drills. I don't think they need to talk about it a lot. I don't think you want to continue to draw attention. This is something that needs to be flushed from his head and like it's almost like the yips.

Yeah.

Like get it out of his head. And the more you talk and emphasize it, it almost gets worse.

Right.

We also were saying that not all fumbles are created equally like the. Aiden Hutchinson made an incredible play. Yeah. Where it's like, what do you, I think 99 of running backs fumble in that situation where you get a perfect punch on a ball.

I think that running scared though, and running, thinking about fumbling, that that would probably be appropriate for that Ed Oliver fumble.

Yeah.

Because that was, that was a different situation. You have a lead in that, in that circumstance and you, you're just trying to kill the clock. But yeah, you're, you're right. I agree with you. I feel like if, if you were to just constantly be worried about fumbling the ball, then you take away everything that made Derek Henry a great running back to begin with and then nobody's happy.

Yeah.

And then, and then whether you fumble or not, you're not nearly as impactful on the game and. And then you're not moving the needle. So it's a very fine like that kind of stuff. Like the mental side of failure in sports, whether it's the guy who can't get a hit and he's in a 10 game slump or the guy who can't buy a free throw or he can't make a layup and like we've all been there and it's hard to get through the mental side of it and it's not because of where his hand is on the ball. And you know everyone's going to give him a thousand pointers. The points got to be up, it's got to be against your chest, it can't be disconnected. Cup your wrist in traffic to like there's all these like coaching points which are all valid and it all has to be emphasized. But really at the end of the day, he's been doing this his entire life. You got to just be Derrick Henry, continue to run people over, run physical. And after a game or two where you get 20 carries and you don't put one on the ground, it gets out of your head and you move on.

Yeah, you brought up the yips. Is it possible for a receiver to have the yips? Because we saw Marvin Harrison Jr. And then we saw Brian Thomas Jr. All the juniors have the yips right now, it seems like, what is that? Like?

Yeah, I mean, there's times and again, I. I always feel for these guys because I always put myself in their shoes. Like, it's so easy, especially as a commentator or just right now shooting the shit with you guys. Like, it's so easy to be like, it's not that hard. Catch the ball, don't fumble. Like, I've been there and there was some games. Thankfully I didn't have a ton of issues with drops in my career. But I'll be honest, there were games were going into the game based on what happened in practice or just a million factors where you went into the game and you're like, I'm not seeing it great. Like, I'm just not tracking it great. And I'm not feeling it. I don't see it. And like, you're like, holy shit, I hope I don't have a bunch of drops. Like, it is a real mental battle. And then there's other games where you're feeling so comfortable you could throw the ball behind your head and you knew you were going to catch it. Like, that's real. And I think any player, especially if you've played for a long time, goes through those ups and downs of like that internal mental battle of your confidence and catching is the yips.

Fumbling is the yips. Quarterbacks who are gun shy because they've thrown a lot of interceptions, like, all of a sudden that ball is just a little bit later and they turn down windows and they don't want to push the ball and it turns into check down Charlie. They're taking sacks. Like, that's all mental. And it's real. Like, that is real. And I don't give a how good you are. There are periods of everybody's career that they go through that uncertainty and they're questioning themselves. And you better learn as a young player how to work yourself through it. I'll that my second year fumbling that game, that changed my entire career. Because I was like, I refuse to let this happen again. Like, that shit hurts. That is bad.

Yeah. What about. What about the team to start owing three. Like, where are they at mentally? What are you like, because that's. It kind of goes on the same thing. The yips a team wide where it's like, football's a really hard sport to play. And if you're owing three and you got to get back up on a Sunday. And you're looking around, you're like, even I saw the comments Michael Pittman made after the Colts beat the Titans. He said he could see the Titans didn't have that bounce, that juice pregame. What happens in the locker room when you have a slow start to a season and how do you correct it?

Well, that's where you really start testing your leadership, your locker room, what types of guys you got, what types of leaders you have in the, in the coaching staff. Like, everyone always has good culture when you're winning and there's great energy and every coach is great, and every relationship in the locker room and every coach player relationship, like, everything's fine and dandy, right? Winning cures everything. All of a sudden now you start getting tested by losing. Especially if you're 03 now, entering your fourth game of the season, you haven't gotten a win, and all of a sudden now you start pressing and everything becomes, instead of focusing on, hey, let's have a great Wednesday meeting. Let's really have a good first and second down install, let's have a great focused walkthrough, hey, guys, let's have a great weight room session, like, whatever Wednesday calls for. The good teams have the ability to be like, hey, let's just worry about the next. But all the teams that have lost are thinking is, we got to do something to get a win. How do we get a win? We got to do something to get a win.

And they're putting the cart so far before the horse where you're not going to get a win if you get a shitty Wednesday blitz, period. And you're not going to get a win if you guys don't have a good workout and you guys don't attack the rehab and you have guys who miss practice and the 500 things that go on between the end of a day a game and the following Week's game, there's 5 million boxes to check. And if you don't check them in the right sequence, you're not going to find a win because there's no luck. There's no, there's no easy wins in this league. So it's so cliche when these coaches and these players and they get up there and they talk about one week at a time and all the shit we all laugh about. But for the teams that stink and for the teams that are 03, it is even more critical that they only focus on, like, literally what they're doing in the given moment. Because if they're so consumed with, we need to win, the coach is going to get fired, they're going to bench the quarterback who's going to lose their job.

Once that creeps in and you got player only meetings and guys talking stupid shit in press conferences like, you're done.

Right.

Your season is over. You might as well pack your shit up and go home.

Yeah.

Having a players only meeting after the first week for the Dolphins, that, that to me feels a little bit early. Like, what are you going to accomplish in that?

Yeah, we used to have a saying and we used to joke about it, but like once, once you start having players only meetings, people should start packing their shit up.

Yeah.

Somebody's going to get fired.

Yeah. And I, I also like on the flip side, when you. I love the videos of the locker room after a win because it is so hard to win in the NFL. How. This is a very dumb question, but I sometimes fantasize about it. How sick was it Sunday night after you win a football game? Was it so sick? What would you eat for dinner?

Well, if it was an away game. All right, so that's a good question. So it really varied home games when we were young. Like, home games in Chicago. So my last year in Chicago, we were really good. That 2010 year we went to the NFC championship.

Yep.

Like, we were young, we had no kids, we were downtown. So after a home game, you know, especially, you know, we won a playoff game against Seattle. We want a Monday night. We won a, either a Monday or a Sunday night game against, against the Packers. Like after those big home games. Right. Like you're going out to dinner, you're at Joe Stone Crab. You walk into Joe's and like people are giving you a round of applause. Like the whole city, you know, just rallies around. So a lot of those really cool moments after wins in the locker room and then with your, you know, small group of buddies that you would go out with and your family and whatnot. You know, as we got into like having kids, like my highlight after a home win would be like, let's drive through McDonald's and just eat like a 20 chicken nugget and a hot fry and a Coke and just take a deep breath. So like, as at different stages of your life, there's different, like, pleasures. Like, you know, when you're young in Chicago, you want to go out to a bar, you want to go out to dinner.

When you're a married dad with three toddlers at home, picking up a McDonald's drive thru and going to Sit on the couch and watch the Sunday night game after you just had a touchdown and won. Like, it doesn't get any better than that.

Oh, that's the best.

That does sound great. What was the best time of day to get a win when you were young in Chicago? Was it, like, if you win the early game, then you've got the entire afternoon and evening in front of you, or was it winning, like, a Monday Night Football game?

Yeah. So I think when you're young, you wanted to win the earlier game because then you could go out, like, you could go to dinner, you can go to the bar, you can go hang out Sunday night downtown, knowing that you had meetings Monday morning. But it wasn't going to be anything crazy when Lovey was the coach when we want. He was my only coach. So I guess when I was in Chicago, if you won, it was mandatory victory Monday. So we didn't even have anything official on Monday. So if you did go in, you went in on your own, and it was. You know, it was, oh, I'd go.

In every Monday if I won, just to be like, that was awesome. Go.

You go in because. Yeah, you go in, but it's just not. It's not mandatory to meet with your coach. You don't have to do anything official.

Yeah.

Did you ever have a teammate that. We were speculating that when the Eagles won this last weekend, that Jalen Hurts was going to be like, hey, nobody here should treat this like a winner. We're going into work on my.

Gonna tell me that I had tissue on my beard?

Oh, I thought you noticed cocaine.

Yeah, I didn't notice it. No.

I. You should have told me. So I blew my nose before I came on here, and I just shaved.

Oh.

I thought it was light, but that's.

Actually good because then the. The it will be tissue gate and no longer. You look like an ump.

Yeah, well, I just. Thanks for telling me, guys.

I didn't notice. I honestly didn't notice. I get lost in your blue eyes.

What was the question?

It was about Jalen Hurts. So like him after that game, we were saying that he was probably telling his teammates, no one should treat this like a win. Let's all go to work on Monday. Even if coach was, like, going to give him off Monday. Did you ever have a teammate that was like, hey, I know. He said, we don't have to come into work victory Monday, but we're gonna do it? And then did everybody secretly hate that guy for making everybody go to work?

Yeah, it's like the super try hard guy.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, in the locker room after the coach gives a speech about like, hey, great. Wins. Wins or wins. Proud of you guys. You earned it. Doesn't always have to be perfect. We got a lot of work to do. And then he's like, hold on, coach. It's not about the coaches. We got to be better. The coaches are doing a great job. They're putting it, and everyone's looking around like, shut the fuck up.

Yeah, we won.

There's those guys. Those guys exist. I think certain guys on the team can get away with it because they obviously have the credibility. Like when they say, hey, we're going to come in and we're going to watch film on our off day. If it's Jalen hurts, you know, if it's. If it's the right guy, like, guys, go, you're right. Like, we probably need to come in and get our shit shit tightened up and do it better. I had no problems when those guys did it. Like, the guys that were just like, really good and every day they battled their ass off and they were super hard workers like those guys, you'd respect and move on. Everyone said when you knew it was the try hard guy and it was the guy that was just doing it because everyone was standing around, that's the guy. When everyone would roll their own eyes and be like, you just shut. You just go over there and relax. We'll take care of this.

Yeah.

Yeah. That was a guy that got, like, really carried away with hazing.

Yeah.

It's like, okay, yeah, we know this guy's role.

Yeah.

He was snapping towels in the high school locker room big time.

I had a question for you about the Bills, because we. We love the Bills, Love Josh Allen. They. They seem to be maybe the best team in the NFL right now. Should we be looking at their wide receiver situation as a weakness or should we be looking at as a strength the fact that they don't have, like, one guy that you count on to take over a game. They've got a few different guys that they spread it around to. Which side of the optimism, pessimism coin should be looking at?

I think it's a great question. So.

Great question.

It's a really good question.

Really.

I've actually asked that question to coaches. See, this is where you guys are so good because you bring it back to production.

That was a great question by you when you asked that question.

Yeah, yeah.

To the coaches.

Yeah, Great question.

But my only question was as good as. Because you asked the better question, the team. I asked Matt LaFleur this exact question. I said, so we had Devonte Adams when obviously in Green Bay. And when you have a guy like devonte Adams, you'd be crazy not to find every way humanly possible to get him the ball. And obviously he moves on. And they have all these young wide receivers. They're talented, they're young, they're unproven. But you don't have that, like, clear cut number one. So my. That was my exact question to him is I've. So I've asked that to the floor. I've asked it to Kevin o', Connell, like, how hard is it to get Justin Jefferson the ball? But then you look at the other side of the coin with, like, a Bills guy. I think every coach would say, yes, I want Justin Jefferson. Yes, I want Jamar Chase. Yes, I want devonte Adams and all these marquee guys. Everyone would want one of those guys. They're easier. It's easier said than done. But there is an element, especially for a quarterback, where you don't have to worry about feeding one mouth. You don't have to worry about that one guy not having a target till the third quarter.

And body language changes, and there's passive aggressives. And we've seen this play out on sidelines for as long as the NFL has been in existence. That's real. Like, coaches feel it, coordinators feel it, quarterbacks feel it. And they. And then you can start pressing. So. So I've always thought if you don't have, like, the marquee. Marquee. Marquee guy, like the dude dude. Having a bunch of really good, solid, reliable. Any guy at any moment could take the game over, make the big third down, make the big touchdown. I actually think is easier on everybody. I don't want three number five receivers. Like, that doesn't help me. But if I have, like two number twos and like a really good role player, number three, like, with Josh Allen as my quarterback is the obvious counterpoint. Like, if I have that, I'm feeling pretty good.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, in their offensive line is great.

So, like, take us in 2015, our best year that we had in 15 year, we went to the Super Bowl. We didn't really have a number one receiver. Right. Like, I was our leading receiver as a tight end. But, like, for Cam and for our offense, every game that we came in, like, there was a game where Ted again would go bananas. And then there were games, you know, we beat Seattle only because Jericho Kotri makes like a sick third and short grab to keep the drive in the two minute going. And Philly Brown would pop off in the NFC championship and have a 75 yard touchdown. And then I would have a big game. And then the running. Like you never really had to say, if we don't throw him the ball we're going to stink and he's going to lose his shit.

Like, right.

We never had any of that. Like, I think for a lot of quarterbacks it's easier to play that way depending on the personalities in the room.

Yeah.

And it seems like the Bill, they've got good wide receivers and their office. I'm not saying that they don't have good. They do, but they don't have like the, the Stefan Diggs that they used to have. I feel like he was that, that prime example of a guy that if you don't get him the ball, he might mentally check out a little bit.

Yeah.

And there's a lot of them. It's a very common personality. And I don't mean it as a negative. Like these guys, these top tier receivers, they are top tier receivers for a reason. Their mentality is, I'm the best dude on the field. You got to throw me the ball, get me involved. And that's all part of the deal. Like, we all understood that and we were happy that they were in our huddle.

Yeah.

Like that's the reality. So if you can have just a deep, good, solid, but still talented core, but you don't have the elite Justin Jefferson type guy, we've seen it time and time again. You can still be one of the best offenses in football and then you throw in the best player in football and Josh Allen is the one that has the ball in his hand on every play. Spitting around. It's. It's more than good enough to win with. And obviously the Bills have won a bazillion games.

Yeah. What's the one team we're not talking enough about three weeks into the season?

So who. I don't know. Tell me who you guys are talking a lot about.

Tell me who.

Like Chargers.

It feels like the Chargers. You could do good or bad. Chargers, obviously very good. Are we talking enough about the Broncos? Are they actually in trouble? Something like that? I don't know.

I mean, Chargers was the first one that popped in my mind. I just didn't know if. Spent a lot of time. I feel like now people talk more about the Chargers. Not because of their records, obviously they're good, but like Herbert's playing out of his mind. And Harbaugh.

Yeah.

Brings a lot more attention and a lot more credibility and just gets a lot more eyeballs and attention. So they were, they're like my first instinct when people say like all right, especially in the AFC where it's like Buffalo, Baltimore, you know, all the Kansas, the Chiefs, like all the usual suspects. But like this year does feel like the year that the Chargers enter like okay, are we now adding another top tier team to the AFC that it's no longer Buffalo, Kansas City and, and Baltimore. Buffalo and Kansas City is like the clear three headed monster of the afc. Again it's three weeks but I feel like this is the year that the Chargers now enter that conversation.

I agree with that. What about the Seahawks? You called the Seahawks game, Week 1. Are the Seahawks good that we're going to watch them on Thursday Night Football? I, I, I think their defense is really good. I don't know, I don't fully know their offense yet because even that game against the Saints, like they didn't even need Sam Donald was good but it wasn't like he was in game pressure situations. It was such an avalanche that they did on the Saints.

Yeah. And again I saw him in that week one against the 49ers. I'll tell you a team that I have a lot of respect for is the 49ers.

Yeah.

The fact that they're three. No. Now do I think, listen, McCaffrey being healthy, he's. McCaffrey, he's sick. You know, they think they're going to get Purdy back. They'll get IUK back at some point. But like how many of these injuries can they weather?

Yeah.

Right now they lose Bosa. They've already been out with Kittle and Purdy for the last couple of weeks. Hopefully Kittle's back here soon. So if they can continue to find ways to win, they'll get back these guys. With the exception of Bosa. I think the fact that they're three no is pretty remarkable.

Yeah. Yeah. Mac Jones doing a pretty good job.

It's pretty impressive that they've been able to keep that thing afloat. Going into the season they were banged up and then they lose in week one. They lose Kittle and then Purdy and Kittle don't play since and now obviously Bosa. So I think they're pretty impressive to ask about now. They, I saw them play Seattle and they ended up pulling that game out. There were times in that game where I was like, Seattle's for real. Like this defense is talented. They're good at all three levels. They might not have like a superstar. Superstar. Leonard Williams is probably a superstar on the defensive line, but they're just like really good at all three levels. The Seahawks offensively, that day, they were just okay. I think they've played better in the last two weeks since I saw them last. I like Sam. I think he's a good fit with. With Kubiak system that he's bringing in is kind of very similar to what he did in Minnesota with. With Kevin o'. Connell. Is anybody a better quarterback coach than Kevin o'?

Connell?

It's hard to. I mean, like, maybe. Yeah.

I mean, again, I'm not like McVeigh sick Shanahan. I mean, there's a million good coaches, but yeah, what he has done with veteran quarterbacks his last three in a row, he got Kirk Cousins paid a bazillion dollars off of an injury. Obviously what he did last year with Sam. And now granted it's a small sample size with. With Carson, but like, can he do.

It with Desmond Ritter? That's the big thing. They signed him. I think he's going to try to like go for the moonshot and be like, watch this, guys.

Now he's just showing off.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's like a foster home for dogs. For older dogs. Yeah. I will find this quarterback his forever home.

Yeah. He's getting guys paid. Greg, this has been awesome. I got one last question for you. It's a Roback question. R, H, O, B, a C K.com promo code. Take 20% off your first purchase. Q, zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code, take. What game are you on Sunday? Orioles, Yankees, White Sox nationals. What game are you. Are you doing Sunday?

I'm actually in Ireland.

Oh.

At 9:30 Eastern.

Whoa.

Cricket.

8:30 Central. Doing the Minnesota Vikings and the Pittsburgh Steelers from Dublin, Ireland.

Oh, boy. Body clock issues. Yeah.

What's your travel schedule? I know we make a big deal of that.

Are you.

Are you flying out earlier in the week or you're flying out late?

Flying out Thursday. I'm gonna try to get on local time, so I'm flying out Thursday. I fly from Charlotte. Gonna connect through Boston, through Boston and then go direct Boston. So I get in like Friday morning at 5am Dublin, like local Dublin time. I have no idea, like how time zones work.

Work.

I'm horrible at it. Are they. They might be like, sick. I hate to say this. Every time I say six or seven, my kids like, look at Me. Funny. I have no idea how many hours ahead it is, but I land 5am local time. I'm gonna try to power through the day, get on local time, and I'm excited. Now, have you guys ever been to Ireland?

I have.

It's incredible.

What do I got to do? What should I do?

Drink a Guinness.

Drink a lot of beer.

The Guinness is better in Ireland. Ruined.

Can I tell you guys something that is probably going to be bigger than sport coat gate, umpire gate, and all my other tissue gate.

Tissue gate. Yeah.

That's just. I don't know if that's a gate. That's just bad. Friends not telling me again.

You have incredible blue eyes. I don't know what you want me to do. I'm staring at them.

Okay, thank you. I'll take that.

Yeah.

And I'm. This is probably not going to go over. I've never drank a Guinness in my life.

Okay. Oh, you gotta have.

Gotta have it.

You gotta have it.

It's good. It's like a beer milk.

Telling me that I need to have one. One. Because it's so much better than American Guinness. And I keep just saying, like, I don't even know what American Guinness tastes like. So I got. I feel like I gotta have.

Yeah, go drink.

Here's my question. Should I have an American Guinness before I go?

Yes, you should. You should go to the store.

Or should I let my first ever Guinness be an original?

No, you should go into, like a. A shitty bar and then if they have Guinness, be like, I'll have one Guinness, please. That way you get a baseline for Guinness and then you go over to Ireland and then you can come back and be like, oh, it's so much better.

Yeah, do that.

You don't even know.

Do that.

Yeah, you'll have good advice.

You'll have a great time over there. You should actually wear, like. You should go full Irish, like, dress in the booth. Put on the scally cap.

Yep.

Maybe like a nice wool vest over a plaid undershirt.

Sick.

Yeah. Really played up.

You'd look good. By the way, we should mention when I.

When I get made fun of by.

Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're sitting here, which is pretty much.

The only reason to do it.

Yeah. Right. Let us. Let us have something to talk about. By the way, you're wearing the hat right now. You think it's your podcast. I went on it. It was so much fun. Everyone should go listen to it. Greg interviews different people, talking about being a dad, a mom, kids playing sports it was really fun. I enjoyed the hell out of it. And I had like. I got bonus points. People were like. My wife was like, oh, that was a good interview. I was like, thanks. Thank you for listening. Awesome.

I can't thank you enough for coming on, dude. Obviously your audience and your personality and everyone loves you and it was a huge. It was a huge boost for us. So. So as I texted you and as I've said to you a thousand times, I owe you and I appreciate you coming on, dude. It was a huge.

You could pay me back. You want to pay me back?

Yeah.

What do I got to do?

Scally cap Sunday morning? Yeah.

How seriously do you take.

Could I have a razor?

Be a peaky Blinder? Huh? Oh, just think about it.

Now you got my brain moving.

Yeah.

I feel like.

Just think about it.

Yeah. Like, do I get into character?

Okay. Do with an Irish accent.

What you could do is you could also wear a kill kilt and nobody would know.

It'd be. That's true.

It'd be underneath the.

Is it kill Scottish or Irish?

They do in Ireland too, though.

Yeah.

All the same thing you can do. You can do that in Ireland.

Yeah, got it.

They've got Regalia bagpipes.

Play some bagpipes.

Yeah, that's Irish. Or just do the. Do the job drunk. You can be drunk on the air in Ireland.

Yeah.

I think it's managed.

Can I have a Guinness?

Yes. Yeah.

Yeah, you should.

Yes. Yes.

Those are. That's a. You're allowed in overseas. The rules don't apply. Right?

Exactly. It's acceptable. Exactly. Also, congrats on the you being back.

I was waiting. Thank you.

You guys are really good.

Congrats to me as well.

Yeah.

Weird schedule though for them. They go by week. Florida State bye week.

Yeah, that's good. Rest the boys up.

Great for you.

I don't know, man. I always worry like when a team's rolling, having too much. Like I'm good with a bi week before Florida State. It just makes me nervous that they're going to have to go bye week and then get back rolling against Florida State. All right, fine. Well, but then they got to go like bi week again and then I think they play like five ACC games in a row to follow that second bye week.

So.

I mean, they're awesome. Mario, crystal ball. I've known since I was a kid. That's my guy. Love them. Text with them all the time. Like, super happy for him. I just hope that we just make it to the college football playoffs. I'm dying to go to a college football playoff game and I've been waiting for Miami to make it.

I think you will. I bet on the you to win the national championship. I, I, I think that they can. And, oh, I think so. I might be wrong, but I feel like if there's one coach that's going to be able to handle by week, game by week, it's probably Mario Cristobal.

Yeah.

He's not, he's not going to let them, like, take a break. He's going to be in their face. He's going to remind them him, he's the good guy to steward that.

Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Yeah, they're not gonna be resting on their laurels very long.

Yeah. All right, Greg, you're the best. We love having you on. We'll do it again later in the season. Good luck in Ireland and let us know how that Guinness goes.

Can't wait. I'll have a full report back. I'll talk to you guys when I get back.

All right.

Thanks, Greg.

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Okay. We now welcome on very, very, very, very special guests. It is the guys from Goose, the band. We got them all here. We got Rick Peter in studio. We got Trevor and Cotter in the booth. Oh, did you want to say something? You click it.

Have you guys just getting ready?

Yeah. Have you guys. Have you guys ever done a podcast, all four of you? Yeah. Yeah. You have?

I think so.

You don't do a lot of them, but for sure, yeah.

Because I was gonna say the flow. I don't think we've ever interviewed four people all at once.

Four guys at once.

Yeah. We've never done four guys one time. Hope you guys stretched. So what's up, guys? Good to see you. You're in Chicago. Chicago. You're on tour. How's the tour going? Let's start with the easy question. Good answer. Good answer. Like the Family Feud.

How much longer do you guys have on the road?

Two and a half weeks.

Oh, that's not bad.

Not bad, not bad.

Is there a. A show that has been, like, the standout show, like, music from a musical point of view? Has there been one that's like, we are just now starting to, like, get it together? This sounds awesome. We're at our peak right now.

Now, like, on this tour.

On this tour, Yeah.

I feel like there's been, like, one and a half shows in this tour so far.

Yeah.

Oh, pretty much.

Do you guys ever walk out of a show and, like, one of you is like, that was awesome. And then another guy's like, what are you talking about? Like, I. I didn't feel it the same way.

It's happened before. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Do you talk about. Because I. I read a story once that Trey, like, they made a rule at For Fish that they don't talk about the show right after the show.

They'll. Yeah.

And they just kind of, like, go in their own moment because they don't want to. If someone had a great show and someone didn't, they don't want to ruin that feeling. Do you guys have something similar? Or when you get off the stage, are you like, oh, we thought that was great, or this needs work? Do you analyze it right away?

There's no rules, you know, around it. I think if, like, the impetus is there to talk about it, then we do.

Yeah.

Or we'll just go and play Super Smash Brothers.

Yeah. Yeah, that works too.

Yeah.

How long does it take you guys to, like, come down from a show? I would imagine you don't sleep right away.

No, it takes a bit.

A couple Hours? Yeah, a couple hours.

Yeah.

What's the. What's the day to day like for you guys on a day where there's a show?

Well, it's pretty chill, you know, you kind of have. You wake up, they hopefully sleep in nicely, get some good sleep, and then just kind of have a few hours of the day. Just do what you want.

We don't have a cream team, I'll tell you that.

Yeah, I wish we had that intolerant. And I was. I apologize to you.

But then I. Coconut cream team.

Yeah, absolutely.

I was like. I. Peter was like, I can't have ice cream. And then I was like, I'm sorry about what I'm about to say, but I don't believe in anything you say with lactose intolerance.

Why don't you. Why don't you prove Big Cat wrong?

You gotta smell it to believe it. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

So when you say sleep in, like, how late are we talking about?

I don't know.

If you're lucky, you get to noon.

Yeah. Noon. Yeah.

Hook up at 12:30 today. There was a lot of, you know, I was up for a while earlier, but, you know.

Yeah. Yeah. So you guys have a new album, Chain your Dragon, that was released, what, like, three weeks ago? Awesome album. I guess my question is, how are you guys able to make really good albums as a jam band? Because it. That does. It's not like, you know, you can't do it, but, you know, the Grateful Dead, they're not known for their albums. Fish isn't known for their albums. You guys are able to make. Make really awesome albums and then also really awesome shows. What. What is that? How are you doing it? Well, kind of a loaded question, but, yeah, no, I. I mean that, like, I. Yeah. I can't tell you how many times I've. I haven't. I don't just put on, like, Working Man's Dead or something. Like, I put on a Grateful Dead show. And for you guys, I do both. Yeah.

I mean, not trying to compare, but, like, I. I think we just generally like making albums.

Yeah.

Going to the studio, so it's just fun. And, you know, we get to do that process. It's like a. Kind of a blessing, you know?

Yeah.

Because we have to play a lot of shows and then it's nice when you actually take the time to work on the songs and that's, you know, it's like the shows kind of just are always happening, but when we get that time to go to studio, it's really special.

Yeah. How long did this album take you guys to make?

We bang that one out pretty quick, actually. That was kind of part of the intention of it. This is, you know, compared to other projects we've done. It was. It was kind of like, all right, this stuff wants to be a band in the room, kind of just banging it out. So for all intents and purposes, knocked it out in, like, March of this year.

Oh, wow.

Yeah.

So it is interesting. When you guys. When you guys are songwriting and you think about writing something for the studio, do you also think about how that's going to translate into how you perform it live and the space that you're going to leave for yourselves to go on, like, the long improvisational runs inside of a song that might not have those in the studio.

It used to be more of an afterthought, you know, the recording things in that way was kind of like a opportunity to leave that mentality behind and explore different aspects and approaches to things that we can't do live. But oddly enough, now, maybe it's, you know, kind of where we are now. I'm not sure what it is, but I'm finding myself thinking about that a lot more when we go to track something. And just, like, it's just more present of thinking about how it's gonna happen live.

Yeah, that's cool. What about you guys in the booth? How do you guys.

What does booth think about that?

Yeah, yeah. Chime in. Booth.

The booth.

Yeah.

It's cool to, like, approach the record versions of songs in a way that's cool for the record and the live versions in a way that's cool for the live show.

Yeah, yeah.

Like, not. We don't have to be a jam band in the studio. We could just be a band and maybe do some things differently than we would live.

Yeah.

And then live, where we're ripping the fucking crunchy jams.

That might be the answer to it right there. Because it is like. Like I said, it's when you guys release an album. I mean, I've listened to Change youe Dragon, like, start to finish a few times. And I don't. I don't do that for other jam bands. It's no knock on them, but it just. It doesn't translate as well, studio to live show. Yeah.

And there's been times we've, like, you know, gone to record songs that we've been playing live forever, and we'll go into the studio and kind of revamp them and look at them in a different way.

Yeah.

That's always Cool to do.

Do you guys have any songs that when you recorded them, you kind of fell away from them and you're like, yeah, not my favorite. But then as you start to play them live, they almost just get a second life. And now you. You really enjoy performing the songs live that you don't necessarily look back on and say, that's a great studio track.

I don't think so. I feel like maybe there's some. Some fans that maybe feel that way, but I feel. Yeah, generally not exactly.

There's this trend of, like, sometimes we put out a new single or a new song or something, and I don't want to play it.

Okay.

Kind of like, you know. Yeah, like playing a new record. No, fuck that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know.

And then.

And then eventually you come around and. And it's like, all right, let's do that.

How. How does the set list come together every night? Do you guys. Are you guys setting up? Like, before you go out there, you're like, this is what we want to do tonight. We want to change it up this way. Because that is one of the best parts about a jam band. What you guys do is that every night's different, which probably is a little cumbersome. Just that where you're like, we played that last night. Can't play it tonight. But how do you guys, like, work, figure out what the show's going to be. Yeah.

Various aspects of the equation.

Like, how does it start? Do you. Rick, do you like, hey, we're gonna play this tonight.

Let's just kind of starts with the stats. I would say, you know, on some level, like, doing the.

Yeah.

Pull up some stats, the password of.

Like, what you've played. Yeah.

What we played, where, when? The last time we played it was stuff like that. Put together a list, and then we kind of go off of that list and, you know, create an order and kind of a, you know, hone blown from there.

What stats are you looking at? Like, if you see a song you haven't played in a while, then you're like, we get. We have to play this one tonight.

It's like, regional stuff. Like, you know, well, we played last.

Time in that city.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, that's interesting.

Give them a show that they truly haven't seen before.

Try to shake it up.

Yeah. And then do you, like, stack some shows or there's some nights where you're like, yeah, we're just gonna do this. And we're. And people are gonna go nuts for this. Like, you, like, no, you just know, like, hey, we're gonna play sometimes.

Yeah, we need. Yeah, we throw down.

Yeah, we're gonna fight. Like, tonight's gonna be the night. Night.

Yeah, for sure.

That's pretty cool.

But yeah, also, you know, you never know what night's going to be the night in reality because, like, you can. You can stack a set list and go out there and just. It's not happening. Right On. On like a. On the night when it's really the night. You know, like, you. You could. It could be the worst. It could be all. All your worst shit and.

Right.

It's going to. Still going to go hard.

Okay. So off that question. I've always wondered this, because what you guys do is very, very hard. And jam bands like going out every night, playing a different set list on a given tour. Let's say there's 20. 20 stops on a tour. How many of those 20 are you like, holy shit. That was like 10 out of 10. We were in the zone.

It ranges from tour, for sure. Yeah, it's. You know, I think there's. There's like some tours, you know, thinking about it in like the grander thing, you know, perspective is kind of interesting. You know, some tours you're just like deep, more in the pocket than others, you know?

Yeah, yeah. But can you guys feel when you hit the zone, like on stage, you're like, oh, this is. How quickly into a show are you? Like, yup, this is going to be one of those nights.

Yeah. Sometimes it's right out of the gate. Sometimes you're like, out of the gate. At least personally speaking, I can only speak for myself, but like, you're, you know, you get in there and it's like, oh, yeah, we're good. Hose is active here. And then, you know, by the end of first set or into the second set, it. It's gone. Like, you know, you lose it or sometimes it's the other way around. Starts off rough and you find it second set, whatever. You know, it's. There's no. It's. It's all of it.

It's got to be an incredible feeling when you do find it. I would imagine. And the. I mean, the crowd, like being. Going to a bunch of, you know, fish and. And dead concerts in my life, like, when you do feel like they are locked in, it's like there's nothing better. It's. I would imagine that, yeah, you have. That things are clicking.

It feels. Definitely feels good.

Yeah, for sure.

Just like it.

The crowd energy plays a big role too. Especially in the jam band scene.

Yeah. It's like.

Yeah.

Kind of an intangible thing, but sometimes I feel like the crowd's bringing the energy right off the bat. It kind of fires us up, and we're all in it together.

Yeah.

Have you guys ever compared peing? Like, does your peaking feel different from your peaking?

And the best is when we all peak at the same time.

Yeah.

Would you rather. But isn't that the ideal situation? It's like we. We all peaked during the second set that, you know, like, eight songs in. We all shared that moment together. Isn't that nice?

Yeah, yeah.

That's the goal.

Sure. Yeah.

It definitely varies a lot. I think everyone's perspective, you know, is so dependent on, like, how much ice cream you had that day.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait, so talking about the crowds when you guys started out, I would ha, like, imagine, you know, you're playing to smaller crowds. That has to be difficult. Was there a moment along the way where it, like, started clicking and the crowd started, like, knowing the songs or the crowd started being more reactive, and you're like, okay, this is actually gonna work.

This is definitely at the. The King's Rook in Erie, Pennsylvania.

That's where it all happened.

We just. Yeah, we played a lot of, like.

Really bad shows, but.

So was there a moment, though, where it, like, kind of flipped. Flipped where. When. Whatever year it was like.

Oh, yeah, there was, like, a moment in 2018 when it was. Yeah, we. We drove out. We had, like, a tour in early 2018, and we. It was out to Colorado and back, basically, and. And on the way to Colorado and on the way back from Colorado, we played in Covington, Kentucky, and we really, like, you know, this. It's kind of like the first taste of the fire. We got this kid, this one kid, like, saw. We were on the. On the schedule for this club, the Octave in Covington, Kentucky, and checked out our album and dug it and passed it around to his. He had this, like, group of friends. They called themselves Flavortown.

Okay.

And they were just rowdy. Like, you know, it's basically Cincinnati, Ohio. They're just, like, rowdy, you know, group of friends. They're great, great people.

Loved music.

Yep. And passed the record around so they, like, learned the songs. We went and played this show at this club and thought it was gonna be a shit show. Just, like, all of, you know, the gigs we did at that time, and, you know, this crew is only maybe 10, 15 of them, but they, like, knew some of the songs. They were singing along. They Were just throwing down, bringing a ton of energy, and we're like, oh my God, this is great. And then so we went back like two or three weeks later after the Colorado run and, you know, I guess word spread or something and that was kind of like the first, I don't know, couple hundred people there maybe.

Yeah, a lot more people came out and we. We went back like three months later and did a two night run that was just. Was totally packed.

That's awesome. Shout out, Kentucky.

Yeah. Kind of where the fire started.

First on board.

Were you guys in the van living the van life?

Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure.

Was that. What was the first vehicle that you guys took on tour? Do you remember it?

Like a 40, 350? Yeah, yeah.

Van life. I kind of miss van life. We used to have.

Oh, actually we were just talking about.

I have two vans.

We were like, hell yeah, we miss. We would love to do like van life life again.

Yeah.

A period of time, it's fun.

You. You bond a little bit. You go through the shared, like the, the bad experiences actually end up being some of the most fun experiences you have out on the road.

Come up with a lot of stupid ideas that are great.

Yeah.

Just the hours sitting together and like coming up with dumb.

Yeah. Shared experiences. Yeah. We've. I like, we're not, you know, accomplished music musicians like you guys, but the podcast, like, we used to travel, like just four of us in a shitty van and now we have like an RV and a whole staff that goes with us and it definitely changes it a little bit.

Definitely.

Yeah.

Trevor got a CV radio installed in.

The van at one point.

Oh, hell yes.

And we put out a one hour compilation of CV radio moments that we recorded on the road. Called it Nightshade.

Yeah.

Talking to Truckers and.

Yeah, for sure.

Did you learn the lingo?

What was your. What was your handle?

It was Nightshade.

Really requesting a lot of radio checks. It's like Night Shade requesting.

I think the antenna was kind of up, so we didn't really, you know.

We got a couple bites.

That was coming like kind of near Chicago, I think.

Yeah, yeah.

We know, we know you.

I love us whatever that guy was having.

Is there. Is there a. A venue or a city that you guys really want to play at that you haven't played yet?

Sphere. I told you guys.

I don't know, I just like playing outside in like a field, you know?

Yeah.

You know, and we were just at the Gorge in Washington and that was. That's definitely my new favorite venue.

Do you like outdoor concerts? Wasn't indoor.

I like arenas too. I mean, you know, it's good theater. It's all. They're all cool. They all have their different challenges and, and you know, aspects of why they're dope.

Yeah.

I mean, a hockey arena is pretty like a, like a, A, you know, kind of run down hockey arena.

Yeah. Yeah, that's. That is awesome. What do you guys. This might be a tough question, but jam band fans, there's a lot of gatekeeping. Have you guys. Do you guys consciously think about like there's a lot of, well, Gooses and Fish and Fish isn't dead and like, you know, oh, they want to be Fish and like, do you guys do. You did not even pay attention to that. I think it's the lamest thing ever. But it does happen.

I mean, where it's like the same as like sports fans.

Yeah.

They get really passionate about their team and they're like, the rest of these teams suck.

Right.

But it's like, you know, at the end of the day, they just love the sport.

So.

Yeah, some people are cool about it because they just love music. And some people are like, my team's the best and the other ones suck balls.

But it's like. But all the teams are really good. Like, that's the part. Like I always laughed when like, like a Fish fan would be like, oh, I wouldn't ever listen to the Dead. And it's like, what? Why? Like Trey loved the Dead. Yeah. You guys, I assume, loved Fish. So it's like all these things link to each other.

Yeah.

It's cool that it keeps going and there's like this line that you can chart. Yeah.

It's silly, but I feel like it's just. It shows how passionate the fans become. Especially because there's like stats like people have these special moments with jam bands where they're like, I got my song.

Yeah.

After going on this crazy journey in my van across the country. And so it's become such a personal thing. Like they, they wear the colors of their favorite band.

Yeah.

So it's just because they're more passionate than your average music fan, I think.

Yeah.

I think if you have people that are like that, it's. It is a sign that the genre as a whole is doing pretty well.

Yeah. Yeah.

If you get that fired up about it.

Yeah, for sure.

So what would be. If you're not a fan of that genre in general, what would be the gateway drug for people to get into? Goose? If there's somebody out there that's listening that hasn't listened to your music yet. Just like a.

A.

They're a fan of pop music. What would be that gateway drug for you guys?

That's a good question.

That's probably you guys.

I was. Because I. So I obviously knew about you guys for a long time, but it didn't. I always think with. With jam bands, it, like, you can't force. It either clicks or it doesn't. And, like, so dead clicked for me when I was 13 years old. Fish was a little bit later. And then you guys, like, I. I would listen to some stuff. I remember the first one I listened to was you guys doing the Way It Is with Bruce Hornsby. Awesome.

Hell, yeah.

Awesome version. And then, like, probably four or five months ago, it finally clicked with you guys, and it was. It was Arcadia with Arcadia Hunger site with Trey. And then it was Hot Tea, and that was like. And I was like, oh, I get it. I get it now. Like, I get how awesome these guys are. So I think that's kind of how it works with Jam Bits. Maybe I'm wrong, but it's like, you hear one song live, and you're just like, yup, now it all makes sense. And then it just. Just. You just dive into everything. I would.

I would guess it's. It's different for everyone. You know, it could be like a. You know, different songs for any. Any person. It's just. You never know when those moments hit you. They come to a show and someone walks out and be like, that sucked. You know, nothing spoke to me. I was like, all right. And then, you know, someone. The first half sucks, and then something happens. We play some song, and for whatever reason, that moment, they're just like, oh. And then. Then, you know, you get a bug and moment. Yeah. And then you get curious and dig deeper and are more open in that at that point, you know, do you.

Guys have that song for Fish or Dead? That. It was like, oh, that's it.

I feel like I. When I first started listening to Fish when I was, like, 14, I was like, this sucks.

Yeah.

And then I. My buddy brought me to a show, and I was like, holy. This experience. It was at Fenway, my first Fish show. And I had been there to see the socks a bunch as a kid, and going there and seeing that scene, I was like, this is a wild time. All these people are crazy, selling drugs and sandwiches and stuff.

Flawless. Yeah. Like, the.

I don't know, like, the adventure and the, like, freak scene of it all just really appealed to Me. And then I immediately started liking their songs more just because I had a blast at the show.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Do you guys have one that you like? It was like, oh, yeah, that. That clicks now.

It wasn't. It wasn't one thing. It was like, friends. Older brothers that were.

Yeah.

Talking about it. And it was like, okay, check that out. And I got a live one and spun that on repeat and kind of, you know, I feel like things that have been the most impactful, musically speaking, for me, are things that need to, like, decode over time.

Yeah.

Like that. It took a minute for that to seep in, but it wasn't like, I didn't dislike it out of the gate, but it was kind of like, whoa, this is a whole new world. There's a lot going on here. And it took a minute. And there are definitely moments when there were, like, these. These clicking moments of, like, understanding the scope of what was going on there in various ways. But it was also. DVDs. I got a bunch of DVDs at that time.

Bittersweet Motel, for sure.

And then the it festival.

I was there.

Admittedly, I just love that era. And I was a little. Getting close to the rails. But I love the way they were playing.

It is like, the jam bands are a little intimidating to get into a. It. The beginning. Just because it's so deep and there's so many shows and we in, like, it's almost like trying to figure out a way to get into, like, Inside Joke. And you're just like, how do I figure this all out?

A new language.

Yeah. Right.

You, like, need a guide.

Right.

A shaman that takes you along the way.

Right.

I mean, that's like, such a valid thing. The. I mean, talk about the dead that I think, like, going over a friend's house and pulling some bongs and then him being like this.

Yeah.

Playing it and be like, whoa. You know, and having those moments that. That's the stuff that speaks to you.

Yeah. The beauty of it. When I, like, whenever anyone asks me, like, what's your favorite Dead song? I'm like, dude, it literally, like, changes every month because I'll hear a song from a show from 40 years ago and be like, whoa. Okay. I didn't. Like. I didn't hear them ever do it this way. And now, like, I'll listen to that. And so that's the cool part where it's like, I don't even know what my favorite song is week to week, because it changes. Because it's like an ocean that you can just keep exploring. So.

Very much so.

Cool. Yeah.

When you guys. When you guys play a show, how quickly do you try to get that show mixed and put up so that people can listen to it at home?

Almost like 30 minutes after that?

Fast, ideally.

So you finish playing the show and then who mixes it afterwards?

Well, it's being mixed while we play.

Right.

So we've got, like, a live stream going on for pretty much every show we do. And that's going on nugs.net and it's like you can watch the video and then somebody's mixing the audio in real time. And then right after the show, it's just, like, cut up the audio and. And, like, upload it. Yeah, that's kind of the flow.

Yeah.

That's pretty cool. For your fans. I. When did you guys start doing that as opposed to, like, recording and then putting them up later?

It took some time.

In 2018, we were kind of more selective about it because no one knew who we were or gave a. About what we were doing. So we were kind of like, trying to just, you know, put out a bunch of stuff and build and build a catalog on the Internet and build, like, a presence and kind of our own little world there. But we were definitely more selective about it in the beginning, and then at a certain point, it just became everything.

Yeah.

Once we had, like, you know, consistent recordings, I think that was kind of like a big turning point for 2018. We were mostly just like, oh, do you guys have this type of mixboard we can record on? Okay, great. We will. Otherwise, too bad, you know.

When did we start rolling with our own own.

It's like 2019.

Right.

Beginning of the year, January. We, like. Yeah, we built. We built our own rack system where we were running our own monitors and. And be able to record, you know, everything at that point consistently. That was. That was a huge turning point for us.

Yeah.

Do you guys have a moment where it became a thing that you knew that you could be successful at, like, make a living at? This is my career. I'm going to be in this band and we're going to do well in.

You kind of like, when you're going for it, you have to be naive enough to, you know, think that it could work, that it can happen, you know, but in retrospect, you don't realize how naive you are going for it, you know, just being like, yeah, this is. Obviously, this is what. Is what we're doing, you know, yeah, we're gonna go for it. And then. And then you know, like the long. You know, you go. And we were. We were fortunate enough for it to work and to, you know, really so grateful for everything that, I mean, it's unreal, honestly. But yeah, just like, looking back is like, wow. We didn't. We had no idea.

Yeah.

We were getting ourselves into. Or like, what. How. How much work it really would take, you know, I think, you know, it was like early 20s. I was like, yeah, get a band together, play like a couple festival sets. We'll be good. Like, that's it. It's over. You know, it's like, no.

Many, many years of grinding.

Yeah.

So you, like, 15 years later, like.

All right.

People talk about a big break, but there's not. There's usually not a big break. There's usually like a slow, steady build.

Yeah.

That you're committed to and then doing it the hard way. That's how you make sure that you have a long career. If there is a band that has. Or artist that has a big break, it's like very easy for that person to fall off.

Yeah.

Because they don't have that groundwork that they've already built up to.

Yeah. And you got jam bands by nature. Like, you're not going to have a one hit wonder that played on, you know, the radio, so it's going to be a slower grind. Have you guys thought about, like, how far away you are from taking, like a five year hiatus and then coming back and being ever?

Probably pretty far.

Yeah. Okay, good, good. Because everyone's got to do it, right? Like, you guys got to break up for a few years and you come back and everyone's like, holy, they're better than ever. They found their love for it again. All right, so we're far away from that moment.

Yeah, definitely.

Okay, good, good.

Yeah, think so.

Okay. All right. Pretty sure it's gonna happen. One of you, whoever. Whoever wants to come on the podcast when that happens to tell your side of why you broke up.

Oh, God.

You want to be the first one behind the music.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then again, remember, you're going to come back better than ever.

Yeah. The comebacks.

Yeah. I mean, Fish is like that. They took a. A long time off where everyone's like, is this over forever? And yeah, now they're better than ever. Yeah.

Let's have the conversation.

What's your favorite? No, no, let's stop. No, they are awesome again. But, yeah, they're amazing.

I've seen them a ton.

Oh, yeah. God. Yeah.

Nothing will ever beat that Fenway show, though.

I mean, the Fenway show is one.

Of my first shows back for 3.0 in 09, so I've only seen the. The latest rendition of Fish. You know, I. I didn't see him in the 90s.

Do you think they were better in the 90s?

I love the 90s a little more, you know, visceral, crazy. They're more put together now.

Yeah.

Someone said they're, like, more like storytellers now, and they're less like. They don't have that, like, aggressive, youthful energy. Yeah, but it's all great.

What was it like when you guys had Trey play with you? Like, that was. I mean, that's. He's done it a couple times. Right. But the. The 20. Was it 2022 in New York?

Yeah, yeah. The tour and, I mean, Radio City especially.

Yeah.

Really special. And that just kind of came out of nowhere.

And, like, that had to have been. I mean, it's not like he's knighting you guys, but that does feel like a big moment for the band, I would assume. Like, wild. Definitely. Yeah.

Yeah. He's such, like, a kind, gracious, humble guy that when you hang out with him and you don't, it's easy to forget how surreal that is. And then there's moments you're like, wait, this is. How is this happening?

Yeah.

How did that come together?

I mean, I don't even know.

The Radio City thing, I think.

Yeah.

I honestly can't remember. Like, I feel like he reached out. Do you remember?

Yeah, I mean. Yeah, we talked about it. We talked about a time with management. Yeah. Trying to make something happen. We knew he was a fan and listening to music and watching the streams. Yeah.

It wasn't, like, planned months in advance.

It was kind of like, spur the moment. Yeah, he's gonna be. Yeah, yeah, do it. None of that was on a microphone, but it was a cool story. No, basically, the answer was that it was he. You guys knew he was a fan, and it was kind of spur the moment, like. Yeah, here we go.

He was local and.

Yeah.

Did you know he was going to stick around on that tour?

Oh, we eventually planned the tour.

Yeah. For.

For later that year.

He's just like, you mind if I just keep sitting in?

Yeah, yeah.

Oh, that night. Yeah, that night. It was. It was kind of like. Like, we had planned. Talked about two songs or something. Like, you wanted to stay.

Yeah. You wanted to just stay. Sure.

I was like, all right, great. Yeah, he's going to stay. Awesome. Oh, it was amazing.

That's incredible.

And then yeah, the tour was. I mean, I think his. They did a tour with Santana early, early in their career, and, you know, Santana kind of took them. Took him under his wing and took them under his wing, and that was a. That was a really special experience for him, I think. And he. I think he wanted to pay that forward, which was, you know, says a lot about who he is.

Yeah.

And, you know, also revisiting a lot of old, like, rundown hockey arenas, which was really sick.

Yeah, that'd be a lot of fun for him.

Yeah.

Was it a little intimidating, you know, like, we're playing with Trey?

Just a little.

Yeah.

They make you better known that, like, hey, Trey's here. I gotta, I gotta bring it.

Yeah.

I mean, it's. I don't know. I, I, it's like that, one of those things. I try not to, in the moment, try not to think about it too much, because then they'll just get deeper down the, like, you know, imposter syndrome of it all. Whatever. But it's. It's just, like, you just gotta. You just gotta go show up and, you know, do it.

Yeah. Did you ever catch yourself, like, asking Trey, like, was that good? Like, did you like that? Because I definitely would if I were shoes.

Did you.

Did you like that?

Was that song good for you, too?

Was that good, Papa, Please Tell Me? Yeah, that was good. That was good. He.

He imparted a lot of lot. He had a lot of cool things to. To impart on us throughout that tour, for sure.

What. So what live show would you tell people to listen to if they were trying to go? I'm sure you guys all have different answers, but let's give the audience a live show they can pull up, because that, that is also fun. Like, part of. Of, like, being a fan of a jam band is like, everyone has their favorite show. Everyone has their favorite moment. So what would you guys say your personal is so that you can tell people to go listen to it?

Of ours?

Yeah, I mean, I would tell people to go watch the video on YouTube of our show at MSG.

Okay.

That we just played.

Yeah, June. Okay. All right.

That checks out.

I agree with that.

I don't.

You guys can't all answer that. We got to give four different answers. I.

The one that always sticks out to me is Philly last year at the Man.

Okay.

I mean, that was my first tour with the band and that I had seen Fish at that venue. I think it was the first venue we played where I had seen Fish there, and I feel like like, first set, I was just a little nervous. Second set, we came out and we were ripping. I think we played two songs in the second set. And I like the long jams.

There's like three.

What's the longest song you guys ever played?

Played?

I think it's like.

It's like 40 something.

40 something minutes.

That's a. That's a really long song.

Yeah. All right.

So.

Yeah, that was 6 28, 2024. You can go find it. Yeah, that's. Yeah, yeah. 628 and then.

And 6 28, 20, 25.

Wow.

Oh, interesting. The garden.

Oh.

So something about that date.

Something about that date.

Grab your tickets.

Tickets for next year.

628.

628. When you guys. When you guys get off the road, how, like, how in touch with each other are you? Like, are you guys living close to each other? Do you take some time off? Because I. That's always an interesting part of the band. Like, you. You're together. So intense. Yeah. And then when you decompress, are you guys hanging out or you just like, we gotta. We need a break.

We're not super local. Peter's in Brooklyn. Trev and I are in Connecticut. Cotters in Burlington.

Okay.

So. But I mean, we're. We're together a lot. We're doing stuff a lot.

Yeah.

I think, you know, there's. There's not a lot of downtime.

Yeah. Yeah.

When it comes to. To a song that you guys start to cover, who. Who typically brings that to the table? Like, hey, I think we should do this song. Is it anybody?

I feel like it's usually Rick.

That's what can be anyone.

Yeah. Yeah.

But it could be anybody.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So has there been a song that's been suggested where it's like, hey, we should.

Should.

We should try to work on this one. And you guys are like, I have no idea what we're gonna do with that song. And it really came together and it's like one that you're very proud of. Now.

There's a lot of. I mean, usually when you do a cover, it's because you like it.

Yeah.

Right.

For. For one reason or another, there's like. There's different ways into things. I think we find there's different kind of categories or veins, you could say, of covers we do. But a lot of it's just kind of, you know, random. Like, we. We ended the show. We've done it before. The. What's up 4 non blondes. Yeah, we ended the show with it last night. With the Mount Joy guys. And, you know, the day prior, like I said, we'd done it before, but the day prior we were walking through the airport and it was on in the airport and was like, oh, yeah, that'd be a nice way to.

It might be the best sing along song ever too.

It's. Yeah, it's like stuff like that. You know, I was at like a. Like a club once and, you know, Kylie Minogue came on. It was like, la, la. I was like, like, oh, my God, this song is hot.

It sounds a little like. Heard it through the grapevine a little bit.

Yeah.

Can't get you out of my.

Yeah.

You know, so, yeah, you know, moments like the same kind of thing I was talking about before with the. With the, like, listen, you know, being shown dead songs with your buddy or whatever, it's. It's personal experience and having like your own emotional connection to certain things and then finding a way into it and a way that you can make it your own and. And put your own voice on it, you know?

Yeah.

When you're listening to new music, do you find yourself listening to bands that are similar to you or do you find yourself branching out and exploring something else?

I mean, it's different for all of us, I would assume. You know, I've listened to for a long time. I've been into just like modern, a lot more modern music. For when I was younger, I'd listen to a lot of older stuff, you know, old jazz. And obviously the Fish and Dead thing was huge and like a lot of old jazz and Otis Redding and Nina Simone and Wes Montgomery. Just a ton of different older things. And then at a certain point started listening to. It started with Fleet Foxes, but I just kind of realizing there's this really transportive modern songwriting production stuff going on that I got kind of taken with and I've just been super into that.

What about the guys in the booth?

You know, I kind of grew up listening to metal, which is kind of a different, you know, vein. And on all this. But yeah, try to listen to, like, all sorts of stuff, like metal, electronic music. I've been really digging this band, man. I trust. Currently they're super dope, but yeah, in terms of, like, stuff that's similar to us, for sure. And then, you know, stuff all over the map as well.

I was a big Zappa guy and still am.

Yeah.

And, you know, I think that kind of fueled my love for. For Fish too.

Yeah.

But checks out, you know, now I'm. I'm way more open, like as I've gotten over older, I've become less of a snob.

Yeah.

And more just trying to find good music. Less judgmental.

Usually goes the other way around.

Yeah. I don't know.

Like, I feel like I found these like, things where I feel like I earned being a fan.

Yeah. Like I had to like, like put.

The time in to like really understand what was going on because it's insane. And now I just like, I'm down with whatever. And I think it's dumb to judge music.

Agree.

Other than whether you think it's good or bad. And that's your opinion on it and whatever.

Yeah.

But like, there's a lot of great music in all kinds of genres. I mean, I'm like obsessed with Julian Lodge lately, who's like a modern jazz guy, which is pretty rare. You know, he's a young, like really expressive jazz player. And this dude, Blake Mills I've been all about lately. But yeah, pretty much whatever. I'm always looking for suggestions like that.

What about you, Peter?

I'm having a pretty good fall because, like a couple of my favorite bands are just doing albums right now. So parcels just put out an album, which is great. Love them. Tame Impala's got a new album coming out, so singles have been great. Heim put out a new album that was like this past summer. I love them. So. Yeah, like Mac DeMarco put out a new album. So like a lot of my favorite artists are kind of just like putting out music right now, which is great.

Do you guys feel like this genre of music is AI proof?

Good question.

No one's.

Who knows where that's, you know.

The scope of where that's headed is. I don't know if anyone's really very unknown.

It's crazy. I. I've been in the like for you playlist that Spotify puts out. They've been giving me some bands that I. I've confirmed are AI and 100, like built for my algorithm.

Whoa.

That's wild.

And I, I liked some of the songs and it's scary because it's like, oh, they know exactly how to hit those parts of your brain. But I do feel like with, you know, the longer, more jam oriented stuff.

Yeah.

The more complicated stuff, it's going to be harder for a robot to synthesize that. But maybe that's just for.

I mean, I bet robot. A robot can definitely lay down some.

Yeah.

But a robot.

An AI can never play a sick live show.

I hope you're daring.

Take that back.

This is not A challenge.

We're AI proof because we just get so many things wrong. Yeah. We'd never be able to get the amount of things wrong that we get wrong. Yeah. Yes.

We should make more mistakes.

Yeah. Right?

You gotta right your best. Your worst shows are actually. Yeah. It's proof that you're human.

Exactly.

So you should actually love the bad shows.

Yeah. For sure.

Be like, oh, thank God we up that one.

It's real, man.

Robots can't get us. All right, I got. This has been awesome, guys. I got one last question. Roback question. R b a k.com promo code. Take 20 off your first purchase. Q, zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code. Take tires. You were in it. Yeah. That was pretty cool.

Yeah.

What. How did that happen? Because we are. We're friends with Shane. We're also like Francis who works with us. Feidelberg who works with us. They were in it as well. It seems like the funnest. Like, Shane just gets all his friends.

To just be in it.

So how did that happen?

Like, it was. There was off mic with this. There's a friend of ours who is a big, big dead fan and got into us from. We were going down to doing the Mexico thing and became close with him and he works in the industry and kind of connected me with some people and. And kind of came in that way.

Yeah. More acting in the future, maybe.

Yeah, we'll see. Kind of want to make some records right now, but.

Yeah, that's fair.

But yeah, I'm down. I had such a blast. Those guys are. Those guys are amazing.

Yeah.

So funny.

Very funny. All right, well, thank you boys for coming by. This has been awesome. We.

Thanks for having us all.

Very pumped.

Thank you.

And I did invite you guys to. If you wanted to watch NFL Sunday with us, but I didn't really get any response from that. But you guys are.

Well, I was pretty deep in the ice cream at the time.

Yeah. You're welcome to come back here in.

Chicago for a few days.

You're welcome to come back.

Appreciate it.

We do the Gauntlet too, on Monday, if you wanted to. And more ice cream. Hell yeah, Peter. If you come back, I'll get you some of the. Whatever.

I don't even know.

What do you do? What do you. You just don't eat ice cream?

No, man. Some of the best ice cream is dairy free.

That's so not true. You might be the first.

Like, you don't even know, dude.

You might be the rock star that I Wouldn't want to trade lives with. No, thank you.

Oh, man, you're missing out. I'm telling you right now.

I. I'll say, though.

Actually, he has.

He used to make like, we lived together a few years ago and he used to make dessert salad. He had this massive bowl. I think we even gave him this bowl for his birthdays. Yeah, Giant bowl. And he fill it with like a pint of like, Ben and Jerry's non dairy and then just put a bunch of on top of it.

I know how to dessert.

Man.

You have it easy for a lactose intolerant guy. Like, imagine being lactose intolerant in the 70s.

Sure. Nothing.

I mean, even when I became lactose intolerant, there was like, there was arctic zero and that was it.

Yeah.

Tasted like all kinds of stuff.

Wait, you became lactose intolerant?

Yeah, when I was 18.

That proves that it's not real. Yeah. You don't just choose to not like ice cream anymore.

I think you decide you just don't like taking a. Yeah, that's what it is. Like, we all do it.

It doesn't feel good.

After you guys, like, do you think.

Like, when I eat five ice cream cones on a Sunday, yes, I have diarrhea. Does that make me lactose intolerant? Not at all. No. That makes me a fat who can't stop himself from eating ice cream.

Human.

Hell, yeah. All right, thanks, boys. Thanks, man.

Thanks for having us.

Thanks, folks.

Appreciate it.

Okay, before we get to pardon your take, I wanted to talk to you about my favorite treat out there. It's Reese's. With this perfect combination of chocolate and peanut butter. There's really nothing like a Reese's Peanut Butter cup. You can find Reese's Peanut butter cups basically anywhere. And look at this. What do I got here? Oh, man, the caramel big cup. So not only is it a dynamic duo with chocolate and peanut butter, it's a dynamic duo with. With chocolate, peanut butter and caramel. The Reese's caramel cup. The big cup. I absolutely love these. Reese's are my favorite little treat out there. I probably eat one of these two of these a day. And I got. And guess what? I'm living a very happy life because I love Reese's. So shop Reese's Peanut butter cups now at a store near you find wherever candy is sold. Okay, boys, let's wrap up the show. Great show. Pardon your take. Do you think. How many people do you think were listening and they were. They're going to correct us on the Russell Wilson Thing, and then they're going to get to the breaking moose.

Good amount?

Yeah, fair amount.

Listen, we're. You got to stay. You got to stay loose. You got to stay. We're always moving. We're always flexible. We're always. We're like water.

What do you think? What do you think Rusty's going to do now? Are they going to make him, like, third string, or are they going to make him backup?

I think they got to make him third string because you're basically saying he stinks. They said, back up. Okay.

Back up. So this is just Jameis Winston erasure.

Yeah. This is bullshit. And I said, you got to make up third string. Mostly because I'm biased and I want James.

Yeah, this is bullshit, though.

Still. All right, pardon your takes.

I'm going to hammer Scatterboat this weekend.

If your groomsman whispered to you on the altar at your wedding that the Mavs traded Luca, how would you react? Parentheses, hypothetically, if you were a Maps.

Fan.

That would be tough.

Yeah, I'd need a second to collect myself.

That's a. That's a bad groomsman. I think you got to save that for after the vows are said. You can't drop a bomb in his ear right before.

Yeah. Although if you wait until afterwards, then you kind of ruin the whole vibe of.

Yeah.

How excited he already is. If you're the groom, what you got to do is you have let the emotions flow, but then tell everybody it's because you're so emotional about getting married and that's why you're crying.

Max, are we gonna be groomsmen for you?

You guys aren't gonna.

Aren't gonna come to my wedding. I know. Yeah, we are.

You're not gonna come.

Wait, that would be sick if the. If we were just. The five of us were the groomsmen. Yeah. Brothers just don't get it.

When the preacher says, speak now or forever hold your peace, I'm gonna be like E.J. brown and Jalen Hurts. Okay?

I. I've been a groomsman in a bunch of weddings.

My.

My favorite thing to do right before you go out is just be like, dude, say the word. We'll get the out of here right now. Like, we. Like, I won't judge you. We'll get in a car. We'll get the out of here. We can just. We can just pretend none of this happened. Is anyone taking you up on it? No, but it does lighten the mood. Yeah. Yeah, it's good. Haha. No, I actually want to go through with this. It would. I don't know what I would do if someone took me up on it. I'd be like, wait. I was just kidding, man. Man, we got to do this. What are you talking about? We can't leave. So, yeah, you can call my bluff.

Max, I think you got to keep that. You got to keep that to yourself.

I'm. I'm offended that you don't think we're gonna. I mean, is it gonna be a football weekend? Nope. We'll be there.

You got to keep it to yourself. If Luca is, like, in the moment, make a groomsman.

It's travel, though.

I thought your wedding was gonna be in the office. Office. Yeah. Well, it's going to be. We'll. We'll have a conversation. Kind of like an all or nothing thing. We can't. Some of us can't skip. We could skip. You want to skip?

Depends where it is.

Okay.

It's a. I'm leaning towards.

I'm leaning towards the Caribbean. The Caribbean.

I'm in all now.

We have to go.

You would love to pick some Joel and bead news to Max at the altar, wouldn't you?

You? Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Hey, guys. What is the biggest what if in sports that would have changed the entire landscape of what we know today? For me, it's the bled cell injury. Without Brady, Pton dominates and becomes the goat. He becomes part owner of the Raiders and broadcast for Fox. He sits in the booth with the headset, and Hank thinks it's weird.

Wait, he would be Tom Brady.

Yeah. Peyton still would have been Peyton.

He's saying he would have been the goat.

Oh.

I thought. I thought you said that Drew Bledsoe would have done all the things that Tom Brady did.

No, he said, without Brady, Peyton dominates.

Dominates. So he was the beginning of the question.

What's the biggest what if in sports?

We can. We can go the injury route.

What if.

What if LeBron never took the Ray Allen 3.

Derrick Rose injury. Yeah.

RG3 injury.

Kendrick Perkins injury.

Belichick, Jets. Oh, yeah. That's a good one.

What if the Browns had kept Belichick and. And Saban?

Yeah.

Now, if the Browns had kept.

Oh, Browns.

Belichick. And they would have been Coached.

The Ravens.

Yeah, they would have been the Ravens.

At the same time.

Yeah. Good. What ifs. Carson Wentz never got hurt.

Well, speaking of carts and Wentz. Oh, good segue. My name is Michael, and here's my take. Carson Wentz is at the top of Mount Rushmore of edging as a Colts fan. He edged me for an entire season, and he's done it to multiple fan bases. Is Carson Wentz the geoat greatest edger of all time? Did you feel edged?

I never felt edged. I never felt edged. Not once. I never even came close to being edged.

You believed in him for a little bit.

I'm gonna.

I'm gonna have to do some digging.

You definitely got it.

I think there's enough evidence out. When. When Schefter teased. Schefter edged me with the Carson Wentz news, and he teased me with, oh, the commanders might sign Carson Wentz, and I was angry at him for that. So I was never. And then when we actually got him, then I flipped out because I didn't want him. And then, of course, like every sports fan, you have to. You have to lie to yourself and convince yourself of something, get worked up about it, because, hey, what if Carson Wentz makes me come and never even got close?

Never got close.

I faked it. I faked being edged by him.

He is. He is an edger, though. But I don't know. I don't know if he still has it. The edge, like, look, I guess you'd have to ask.

We'll see.

Yeah, he's a big shotgun guy, right? He shoots a lot of skeet. He might be an edger.

Yeah.

All right, last one. What's up, fellas? Big fan. To solve disputes about controversial calls, every ref in the major sports wears helmet slash hack hams. In the event of a close controversial call, the first replay of the show is full speed officials point of view. That way we can at least see what they saw to make a call or a non call.

Looks like the Axon body cams.

Yeah. I don't know if this changes anything, because don't we have better views?

Yeah, we have better views. And none of the ump cams really work. They're all jiggly. And when they show a baseball, when they show a POV review it. It makes me more confused about what happened in the first place. It actually does a good job of being ref propaganda.

Yeah, well, that's what the question is. Oh. Just to make refs feel better so you don't. Don't get mad at the refs. Oh, no, that. No, no. I want to get mad at the refs. There you go. You got to get mad at the ref.

Yeah.

What's the whole point of refs is to get mad. That right? Yeah.

And umpires like gray goals.

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Really good call.

That was a nice slide.

72. I'll take number one for America's number one lottery at app jackpocket. 72.

22.

25. 99.

Put 699 days for memes. This will be 700 for memes. Oh. 76.

25. Did you get it? Did you say 25? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got it. Zach again. He did it again. This guy can't be stopped me.

I'm sorry Zach. I talked over you when you're doing it cuz I, I, I wanted to highlight the fact that it's been now officially 700 days.

Oh no.

Has got it. And Zach, you got it twice.

Oh, let's get a memes lottery ball clock for the wall that counts up. Yeah. Yeah. Days since he's got days since he's never. He's never gotten it. Yeah. Memes.

Or we could do a countdown until.

Hank until he gets to hang.

Okay. That works to memes how you. I guess that would, that would double as a as a death clock for memes. Yeah. Kind of solves both. Or a death talk us because after Zach got the first one he would kill you. You were fine. This one's gotta hurt. No, he's really good at it. No, he's got A lot of her.

It's just really easy.

I mean, it's. Zach, how do you do it? I just usually go with the numbers that are on the. The graphic on the jackpocket machine. Oh.

There'S 25 right there.

The wrong one. I did that same thing today. I did one. Oh, man, Zach, you're so good at this.

Dude, Max, crazy. So you've got it twice.

Twice? Zach, no. Every ball has its day. No, but Zach got it twice and once. That's not true, Zach. That's not true. Yeah, that is just not true.

Zero for Memes.

Incredible job. Well, I did get it that one time. No, you didn't. I did. No, you. No, no. You've never gotten it. I did guess it right that one time.

I would give you my. My lottery ball win if I could.

I guessed it right. We still. You still need to acknowledge that I guessed it right.

No, I got it how I got the numbers. Yeah, it says right there, I said.

Two, and two popped up, so I guess it. I did not win it, but I did guess.

He says I have eight wins. And it says right here that Memes has zero wins.

I did not win it, but I guessed it right.

You never gotten it.

Damn, dude. Memes. That is tough.

What a legend.

Memes. I mean, how. How do you live with yourself? Memes.

What?

How do you live with yourself during his day? I. My day is. My day is fine. No, it's not.

Your day.

No, it's not. No, it's not. It's not fine. Zach, great job. Maybe. Can you. I'm going to tell you something I need you to do for me. Maybe pull Memes aside and give him some tips and tell them how to do this. Can you do that for me?

Yes, sir.

Okay. All right, Pug. Maybe get that for PMTV. Me put a PowerPoint together for memes on how to get the lottery ball correct. That'd be a great pmtv. I think everyone would enjoy watching that, right? I would. Yeah. All right, so there we go.

So get Zach.

Guess it two times on his own. Yeah. PFC got it once on his own. Here. In this one. In this room. You have.

I've gotten the lottery bowl twice.

You've. You needed another man to get the.

Lottery ball for you.

This is really sad. This is really sad. You're lashing out. You're lashing out. Is really sad.

Cuck.

Memes.

Sad Memes or Zach?

Yeah, please. PowerPoint. I actually like to attend as well. Just kind of breaking down how you get it. Right so often. I think it would be fun. Group project. Yeah. Perfect. Perfect. All right. Not a group project. Love you guys.

Sa.