Transcript of Max Homa Talking US Open And Wyndham Clark's Big Win, George Kittle, World Cup And The USMNT Is The Best + Mt Rushmore Of Deli Meats

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I heard that the trade was imminent.

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Part of my take. Welcome to Part of My Take presented by DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Monday, June 22nd, and Wyndham Clark is about to open up some grape PFT because he is the US Open champion, second-time major winner, two-time US Open winner, and people are mad.

Bad night to be a grape on Long Island. Some mandatory grape coming from Wyndham, some statutory grape coming from Wyndham. After it was over, they asked him, he's like, oh yeah, I'm going to open up all the grape tonight. Yeah, it was, it was kind of crazy. He was I knew he was a villain. Yeah. Didn't know he was that much of a villain. But he had to— he had to battle against the course. He had to battle against the fans were like actively cheering for his shots to be bad, which, listen, I want to be really clear because I like it when that happens. Yeah, it's good that we have people like, you know, breaching some of the finer rules of decorum for golf, like being happy that somebody that you're rooting against hit a bad shot. I think that's fine. And people should be allowed to do it. At some point today, it felt like the crowd at Shinnecock just was— just, they fucking hated the guy.

And here's the thing, I like— hating sports is great. That's what, you know, it fuels all of us. If your guy can't win, you know, you want the guy you hate to lose. And especially in golf when there's, you know, 150 guys competing or whatever it may be. The thing I don't understand— and yes, we had Wyndham Clark on a couple of weeks ago. I liked him a lot. And this is— and I don't know if we were obviously Obviously we made fun of the open up some grape. He owned that. He's like, yeah, that's, you know, he had fun with us with that. I, I'm a casual golf fan in the fact I watch all the majors. I watch some of the other events, but I'm not like dialed in and being like, this is my guy and I'm looking at his, you know, swing speed and all this stuff. Is the majority of it just that Wyndham Clark beat up that locker?

Because that's part of it.

But that feels like the majority of it because the locker. And yes, I— well, I don't know. We never have asked what the locker said to him. Well, what did the locker do in that situation?

But I actually think the, the locker room is underreported because I saw the picture. The picture looks like two lockers were damaged. Yeah, he went on a locker damage spree.

But I, I'm more saying this because I want— I— if, if you hate Wyndham Clark because he beat up a locker, fine. I, I feel like there's got to be more, and maybe there is more.

There is.

And hopefully there is more because then I'll be like, you know what, Great. You hate this guy and you should hate him. Just own it that you hate him. Uh, but the locker thing, I, I, I feel like it, that we want guys to show emotion. Yes, he should not be beating up lockers, especially at the hallowed grounds of Oakmont, but respect the course. I think it was a locker room, like, you know, these athletes are all psychos. You don't get to the level of success that he's gotten to without being somewhat of a psycho. I kind of like when guys show their, their faults and maybe part of it is that he doesn't, didn't immediately say sorry. I get that too. But yeah, I have no problem with Wyndham Clark and I enjoyed watching him kind of play the heel and watching everyone like boo him. And there was that one, I think it was like somewhere around 8 or 9 where he, it was crazy. He was hitting putts and just no one was clapping. There was one audible, just one guy just went boo. Yeah, I love that. That was hilarious.

Like he just, it was great. The, uh, the get in the bunker. Yeah, those are good too. I, so big kid, I'm glad you asked about his missteps because like you, I wondered like Why, why do they hate him this much? Because it was the type of like animosity that I can only remember for like Patrick Reed.

And I also should say, if, if part of your reason for hating Wyndham Clark today was because he was running away with it, I agree with that. I do like to see— you want to see a competitive tournament. When the day started, he was up 6. You don't— you want— we want, especially with only 4 majors, you want to see Sunday have fireworks. And there kind of was like there was moments that were, were high intensity moments that he fell back to the pack.

So go ahead.

Okay.

So, yeah, it wasn't just damaging the locker. It was damaging two lockers. Okay. A serial locker damager. There was also— he took out a T-Mobile sign on a tee box a year ago. So he disrespected T-Mobile, a great sponsor of the PGA Tour in that tournament. Let's not forget about the T-Mobile sign. And then after the Masters Par 3 tournament, SVP asked him what it was like being out there with all the kids running around.

I saw that.

And his answer was, Yeah, you know, it was a great time. Also a great form of birth control to be out there. He made a joke. And guess what? I've said that exact same thing about going to the airport.

Like, Hank makes that joke all the time.

When you go to the airport and it's all families that are running around, that will make you want to have a kid never in your entire life. It's like, I'm pulling out from now on. So those are the big three. Those are the big three things that he's done.

Can I just say off of that, because I saw that one guy be like, happy guy, happy Father's Day. He made this joke.

Bad guy.

There's no worse discourse online than the both sides of this, than the people who are like, if you don't have kids, you're a scumbag. And the people are like, if you have kids, you're a loser. You have like, why would you do that to your free time? Everyone just makes their own, like, live and let live. Make your decisions. It's fine. So Wyndham Clark making that joke meant nothing. If you're offended by that, you're fucking losing.

You're a dork.

You're a dork. So there's time now.

I noticed you did kind of gloss over the T-Mobile sign incident.

Yeah. See, listen, I listen. Has T-Mobile ever been a sponsor of ours? Nope. So no, fuck them.

He didn't apologize.

Yeah. T-Mobile sign deserved it. Now, if that were a Verizon sign, I'd say put him in jail or worse, Reese's or Mountain Dew.

Execute him.

I think—

get the fuck out of here.

I think a majority of it was the lead.

I— yeah, I'm fine with it.

I was rooting— like, I liked him on the show. I like was— I was happy he won, but going into the day, I was like, I hope he falters early and it gets close. Nothing against Wyndham, but it's like, I think that was the biggest thing. I think if you're going to Shinnecock on Sunday for a major, you want it to be close. So you— I think, yeah, anyone besides like a fan favorite, even Scottie, I think if Scottie was up 8, people would not be like cheering for him. They'd be kind of hoping that, you know, things go south a little bit.

You also forgot one other thing.

What's that?

Which I somehow got in a rabbit hole. Because people didn't like LA Country Club and that US Open, and he won that US Open, they hated him from that too. Okay, that one is—

I actually— it's a deep cut. That, that's a great one. Yeah, I actually really like that one a lot because he just, he reminds you of a tournament that you hated. That's perfectly legit.

Um, yeah, we, we say embrace the hate.

Yeah, yeah. I would even say, like, what Hank was getting at, I think it had more to do with the fact that he had that big lead and then Scottie was the guy that was like, maybe he'll catch up to him. And I do think they would ruined for Scottie if he had a big lead because that seemed like it was— they could have seen like a moment of history. Yeah, Scottie's in the sky, he gets the career Grand Slam on his birthday, on Father's Day if he wins. I feel like that's, that's what people really want to see out of their Sunday, and Wyndham happened to be standing in between them and history.

Yeah, but I—

listen, also they just didn't like one. They don't, which is fine.

Yeah, but I think if he had a one-shot lead, it would not have been as— I don't know, maybe if he was in this because he was in the same group as Scottie. Yeah, but like, I think if he was had a one-shot lead and he was in the final group with like Brian Harmon. I know no one would— no one would be cheering that hard.

It was also weird vibes all weekend because we had on Saturday the people were mad because he got—

he got the weather luck too.

He got the weather luck, which we're going to talk to Max about a lot of this. But the weather luck people, I don't understand. He played with a bunch of people who had the same weather luck. And then I think he shot— I think, I think it was Friday or Saturday. I think he had the second best round on the day.

Yeah.

So it's like he got—

he—

yes, he got a little bit of weather luck, but then he held the lead. And Saturday was weird because the last train is at 6 p.m. They teed off at 3:45 p.m. Eastern, which was like crazy late, it felt like.

Yeah.

And the vibes when Wyndham Clark was walking up 18, there was like no one there. It looked like a practice round. It was just weird. And, you know, Shinnecock is a fun place for the U.S. Open to be, but that one was weird. And then the combination— I mean, I enjoyed Sunday just because I've never seen— I've never seen a gallery be like that, like just openly root against an American in the US Open the way they did. And not like I'm saying, it's not like they were just rooting for Scottie. They were rooting hard against Wyndham, which made it fun. And credit to Wyndham. Yeah, he's stronger than his, his mental health coach. And you see, his mental health coach had to leave the— she had to go inside.

Yeah.

How do you, how do you do that if you're a mental health coach?

Because if you're mental, you have to stand there and take it with it. That's as a mental health coach, you're nervous that you haven't done your job. And it's like when, if I'm driving my El Camino and I'm taking it up a big hill that I want to leave, I want to get the fuck out of there because this thing is broken down before.

I don't know. I think you got to sit out there and just take it and hear it all so that you can then when you have the conversation with him after, be like, yeah, I heard that guy boo. I heard that guy say, get in the bunker. She, she ran away from the fire. There's a burning building going on at Shinnecock and she went inside to, to, to get some like tuna salad and some peanuts.

I think she was just like, I don't know if I've done enough to prepare my client for this, this occasion. I don't, I don't want to be around in case of meltdown. It's funny that going into it, when we were talking last week with Shane Bacon and he was saying that he thinks that guys that are like the mentally most mentally tough, the ones that are calmest in the face of adversity, have the best shot at winning this tournament. I actually think it might have been the exact opposite, where a guy like Wyndham, who's used to dealing with frustration, like being outwardly angry— they were, they were born into that darkness. Yeah. The other golfers merely inherited it this week at Shinnecock when the course is fucking with you so bad. It makes everybody kind of play on that edge where they feel like they're going to throw a club. Wyndham's used to having that feeling. And he knows how to channel it better than everybody else. So he strangely was able to play more calmly than some of the other guys.

He—

so, I mean, he— and he was— he deserved this.

He—

the 16th hole, both Saturday and Sunday, the, the eagle shot on 16 on Saturday was incredible. And then getting out of the rough and birdieing 16 on Sunday, that was the— that was the championship hole for him. And yeah, I mean, I enjoyed watching it, but man, It was— they were ejecting fans, which I also am against that. You should let the fans be as long as they don't cross a line. If they say get in a bunker or they boo you, fans should get to be able to do that.

It's fine.

Yeah.

There was one guy that got kicked out.

Also, they can't afford—

might have been Billy Football. Yeah, I saw that one. I saw that guy. It might have been Billy, and I don't know what Billy said, if that was him. Yeah. But I stand for his right to freedom of speech.

It also— Shinnecock really couldn't afford to lose more fans. Like, they should not have been kicking people out because there was a moment like The grandstands were empty on Saturday. It was nuts. It had to be eerie to play in that.

This is a pretty good quote, I thought, from Windham after it was over. He said, it's pretty rare to have fans cheer for bad shots. That was tough, but some of it is self-deserved. I kind of brought it on myself. Yeah, he gets it. He's like, I guess I'll be the heel if they want me to be the heel. But I think what he's done by saying, I'll be the heel, I kind of deserve to be the heel, he's probably made a lot of people not want him to be the heel anymore.

Yeah, well, this actually weirdly was great PR for Windham because he stood in the face of everyone hating him. Both online and in person and then won the tournament. And if you were, if you were a hater of the LACC one, it's like you just won Shinnecock, right? And he didn't, he didn't ask for anyone to get ejected. He didn't freak out at anyone. So he, he had a great day PR-wise.

And now also his dad, his dad took a red-eye.

Yeah.

Yeah. And surprised him on the 18th green after. That was, you know, that's, that's what it's all about.

There was a lot on the line.

What did, uh, yeah, what What lead did his dad— like, if he— if Wyndham was up 1, would his dad have taken that? I mean, 6-stroke lead on Sunday.

Yeah, I don't know.

So his dad was waiting on Saturday too, though. He could have came on.

Yeah, like, dude, come Friday night, like, as a surprise.

Leaving him on the 18th green, and it's like, what would have he— what would have happened if he had bogeyed 18? Would his dad have been like, hey son, I just saw that, that was pretty disappointing, good luck in the playoff?

Everyone would have been rooting for— yeah, I mean, everyone was rooting for Sam Burns. They were just hopping around from golfer to golfer. Tom Kim had a moment where it was like, this is Tom Kim. It was very funny to watch.

That was a cool moment, though, when he saw his dad for the first time after he— like, he had all of his bros were at the tournament today.

Oh yeah.

I don't know how many bros Wyndham has, but it's got to set a record.

Well, we on the broadcast, we talked to everyone who ever has talked to Wyndham. Did you see that one segment where they had his swing coach on? That was weird. Yeah, I didn't need that. So bizarre.

Yeah.

It was like he was sitting in Colorado, just being like, yeah, we worked on his his swing and we got it better. It was like, okay, now back to the US Open. Scottie Scheffler is about to be putting.

Hank, can you describe to me why people are upset about the weather luck on Thursday?

I think because the, the USGA had forecasted it to be a lot worse, so they made the course easier because they thought that everyone playing on Thursday was going to have really bad weather. And then because of the delay, The people in the afternoon did not have bad weather and they got the easy conditions. So it was kind of like people thought it was unfair. But to like Big Cat's point, there was, you know, the people in Wyndham's group all played well on Thursday and they did not play well on Friday and Wyndham did. So it, you know, it was weather luck, but he made the most of it.

Why?

Yeah, why did they delay it?

The fog delay.

Oh, the fog delay.

The fog delay pushed the people in the afternoon back.

Yeah.

What was the— I mean, Wyndham was what? 6-under. Was there— there weren't a lot of guys who like ripped up the course.

Dustin Johnson was playing with him, but he also like kind of faltered at the end of the day Thursday, and then he like fell apart, right, at that— or he fell apart early morning Friday at the end of the first round, and then he fell apart in the second round too. Or could not fell apart, but like he at one point was right there with, with Wyndham Clark. They were tearing it up, and then they fell off. Matt Fitzpatrick was tearing it up Thursday afternoon, kind of fell off.

Yeah, it's a 4-round tournament. I mean, that was— Wyndham Clark didn't have— I mean, today was his worst round, right?

Yeah.

It's like, so yeah, on, on, uh, on Saturday, he was, he was, he had the third best score.

I also think people were mad because they were like, oh, it's Shinnecock, people are supposed to be under par. And like Max was saying, or I guess like Max will say, like the— by the end of the tournament, there was what, 3 people? So 3 guys, people were bitching on Thursday because they thought like, oh, they made the course easier, everyone's just gonna, you know, run away with it. But that's just not what happened.

I didn't— I didn't care for the fog delay on Thursday. I think you got to play through the fog.

You got to play.

We're doing load management for courses now, too.

Yeah, you got to play.

You got to play through a little fog. It's a cloud. You can— are golfers so soft that they can't play with clouds?

You got to be able to play with clouds. So he is now in pretty, pretty crazy company. So since 2000, multiple U.S. Open winners. Tiger Woods has 3. Bryson 2, Brooks 2, Retief Goosen 2, Wyndham Clark 2. I, I, I keep going back to the LA Country— that's so funny— the LA Country Club's like, yeah, well, he won that one and we hated that one. Everyone associated with that, so mad about that one. I, I don't know. I, I listen, I also will hand up, and I think the majority of our fans are probably— of the AWLs are probably in this camp of like, uh, like golf, love the majors, not tuned in all the time. There are some diehard golf fans. For the diehard golf fans, I understand your gripes. You look at the sport differently than we do.

I get it.

We look at football probably differently than you do. What he did to that Oakmont locker room is probably a bridge too far and you can never come back from it. I get it. And the team Oakmont, like, that's hollow ground. You can't— I would like to know if it was So it was two lockers, but was it one locker and a ricochet shot, or did he go after both lockers?

Well, what it looks like to me is one locker. It's one locker that's damaged and then a locker that appears to be fine, and then another damaged locker on the other side. So look, he might have skipped one. It's like the Grim Reaper meme, except he skips one.

Yeah.

Scroll down just a little bit, Max. It's that there.

Yeah, see it?

Okay, so what— why didn't he attack the one? Was that his locker?

You see, that's the thing though. Matt Jones, our good friend Matt Jones, said, why do people hate him? And then one of the first replies is because he did this, the historic locker at Oakmont. Again, if that's really what— if that's the genesis of your hate, yeah, a locker that probably got fixed for like a couple hundred bucks. And I think I saw a story too that Oakmont paid for it. Yeah, he paid for it. Oakmont, um, members didn't get it fixed right away because they liked showing it off. Yeah, being like, here's the Wyndham Clark lock.

Of course they do.

How, how are lockers carrying this much weight in golf.

If Tiger Woods was in the final today, people would be going crazy for him.

Well, I mean, what a story of redemption that would be.

Yeah.

If Tiger Woods—

yeah, he's never— he's never broken a locker as far as I know.

Yeah. Say what you want.

Sure. But that's not inside the locker room. I think that's— if Tiger Woods flipped a car inside the Oakmont locker room, then he'd have some problems.

I think that they'd just probably leave the Buick in there.

What if it—

what if it hit—

it just becomes a locker though?

No, they'd be like, this is the 19th hole now.

Are lockers, uh, at, at big-time golf courses the most protected things in the world?

It's a big deal.

This is the stupidest shit of all time, dude.

You don't know how—

I don't know. I don't understand. Locker—

you don't do that at Oakmont with the locker.

Who gives a fuck? Like, it's not even the course. I could understand if he like took a divot out of the green or something. It's the fucking locker room. Everyone who's upset— no one's been in this locker room is upset about it. People in there!

People—

old dudes are naked walking around powdering their balls and taking dumps like 20 feet from this locker, and it's basically the Sistine Chapel?

My problem is the locker doesn't even look that nice.

No, I thought you were terrible.

That sucks pretty cheapo fucking dump.

Whoa whoa whoa do we reverse image search on those lockers?! I want to know how much those He must have done dozens of dollars worth.

No, I'm— I'm actually heated about this locker.

I hate this locker.

This locker. I'm going all the way the other way.

Also, if anybody that works at Oakmont knows what they did with the locker panels after the US Open, I would—

we want them.

We would be very—

we will hang them as banners.

We will purchase them.

Hank, you, you, you are a member at a country club. You think this is This is a situation where, like, you just can't go after a lot.

Hank doesn't have a locker room.

Yeah, we do.

Yeah.

No, he's— there hasn't been a locker.

They've been renovating it for the last—

for the last 3 years.

2 years.

But you just can't be doing this in a locker.

No, I would definitely be on the, like, keep the locker so you can show it off. I would like— that would be awesome.

Yeah, I would.

That would be like every person that comes in there, you'd be like, oh, that's the Wyndham Clark locker. I like— I don't— I would never be upset about it.

I kind of want to— for March Madness, remember that one year we did the break room? I kind of want to recreate the Oakmont lockers and have them right outside the gambling cave. So if you have a bad beat, you can just fucking take a 9-iron to the lock.

What about the youngsters that are watching at home and they see us destroy a locker room and they're like, oh, maybe that's, that's a cool thing to do now.

I've 100% punched those lockers outside of that.

Yeah, I know.

We need 100%.

And that's why people hate you. You disrespected the locker room.

I disrespect no barstools and no lockers.

I think we got a movie on our hands. The Oakmont lockers get like reanimated.

They come back to life.

Yeah, it's like— it's like Beauty and the Beast. The lockers are talking.

Why'd you hit me?

Why'd you hit me? Why is that guy keep taking dumps? Mr. Clark, why did you have to— All right, this is the Oakmont locker room. Oh my God. The locker room time forgot. It's a fucking locker room.

So they just didn't update it. They didn't feel like putting money into renovating it. Unlike—

There's going to be some golf fans that are mad at us for this because they take the locker room as a very serious place.

It's the history. And guess what? That's just one more thing in history that happened in that locker room.

Oh, did the Phil— did the Phil Tracker comment about the Oakmont lockers? Because that'd be great.

I've not seen it.

Phil Tracker came out and said he'd defend Phil no matter what.

No matter what happened.

Is there—

what happens?

What are— What are the top-ranked Wyndham Clark trackers? Is there like one that everybody goes to?

Also, can you maybe search what are the top lockers? Because I kind of want Wyndham Clark to go after another locker. You don't really hear about the Augusta locker room. Is Oakmont just the number one locker room? How have we put a locker room this much on a pedestal?

You know what else I noticed this weekend? A lot more of the people at home taking videos of their TVs and being like, how is this not a penalty?

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Because there's some grass.

Yeah, he moves. Well, it was— it was dead grass.

But I see—

I love those people.

Yeah, I love those people because they pluck the grass. They're— they are— they're taking matters into their own hands. They hate Wyndham Clark so much, like, I'm going to get him busted. So I salute those people.

The wooden benches in Oakmont's locker room are as old as the club itself and pockmarked by decades of metal spikes.

Okay, but that's not what he took. He didn't— he didn't touch the benches.

The footprints of legends like Bobby Jones, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus, shit. Tiger Woods. Are tied directly to these changing areas.

Jack Nicklaus put it— this is where Jack Nicklaus's butthole was.

But Max brought up a good point. It's, it's, it's like I'm trying to think of an analogy for something like, like, like if you did something to the ivy at Wrigley or the Green Monster, like that's part of the actual field. Like if you went out to Oakmont and just tore up one of the greens, I would be like, that's fucking crazy. If you, if you broke a locker at Wrigley, who cares?

Yeah. Manny Ramirez used to wipe his butt with, with hand towels and then try to flush them down the toilet and start floods. It's just window being—

oh, look at this. Milwaukee Country Club. Now that's a locker that I'd like to fucking go ham in.

Just start. The fact that Golf Digest even has an article for the 25 most historic locker rooms in golf.

Like, I feel like, Hank, you We're kind of attacking your culture a little bit. Yeah. Stand up for the lockers, dude.

I mean, a cool locker room is like one— this one going to a nice course and like being in a cool locker room is a great experience, right?

But yeah, I agree. I agree. Being in a cool locker room is a cool experience. But like, would you, would you basically be like, I'm never— I hate that person for life if they, if they damage the locker room?

No. This locker room looks cool.

Seminole Golf Club looks all right. So Wyndham Clark, if you touch Seminole, this is a club. That's our one. That's our no, our no-fly zone. You cannot— if you ever damage that one, we're done with you.

Sacred cow.

This one looks good. This one looks cool. Looks like a place I would like to hang out at.

Yeah, that does. Drink a beer.

Yeah. Yeah, there's that one. There's that bar back there in the back.

Would you say stay in the parking lot?

We're not allowed in your PFT.

Oh, that was rude.

Oh, attacking your—

well, actually, Hank's—

well, Hank's—

the funniest is Hank, like, having to speak definitively on locker room culture when that's been the defining thing of his club for the last, like, 2 years, which is great.

Yeah, it's renovated something.

Yeah, I actually know maybe Wyndham Clark was just helping start. Maybe you should bring him in.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He'll be your demo guy.

That was the first thing I said when I walked in there. I was like, that clubhouse looks like it's awesome.

It is.

But apparently it was only soft opened.

Was it hard open? I don't know.

Inspections, dude.

I don't know.

I'm not the fucking—

I'm not the contractor.

I did get a chance to go into it like the first time we ever played there. And it's a nice locker room. That's why I miss it so much.

Yeah.

You shout out fun stat. Keith Mitchell. He's the only player in U.S.

Open history to shoot 70, 70, 70, 70 on all 4, including, including on Thursday going 41, 29, 41, 29. And then we also had Joaquin Niemann, who had a 2-stroke penalty for throwing his club.

This is bullshit. This is live. This is live. Anti-LIV.

Oh, was it?

Yeah.

So he actually ended up playing really well. He lit it up.

He could have won.

He—

I don't know if he could have won, but he was 7 over on one hole and he lost by 7. But it was only a 2-stroke penalty.

Yeah, he would have—

he would have finished—

but he would have finished in a tie for third. He finished seventh. He would have finished for a tie for third if he didn't get the 2-stroke penalty. But afterwards, there's no video.

This is— it's like the Dez Bryant tapes.

Oh, okay.

Like, where, where, where are these How does no one have a video of this? And also, people throw clubs. Yeah, like, if that was a tried and true rule, like throw a club, 2-shot penalty, sure, people throw clubs.

We've lost all of our golf purists.

And they, and they just decided like this was the one that we're gonna give him a 2-shot penalty.

Yeah, I heard that it was a reckless throw. You heard? And there were multiple people that were on the scene that confirmed, yes, this is the definition of a 2-stroke penalty.

Did he, did he roll a 20-sided dice to see if he could go reckless first? I did not.

I did not check up on whether or not D&D was used as a possible negotiating tactic.

Every time the word reckless is said, I'm just thinking of Tim Woods being like, would you like to go reckless?

Of course. And the answer is always yes.

By the way, July 3rd, our next Dungeon Dragons episode, very, very good.

So, Hank, are you saying just because there's no video evidence, so it didn't happen?

No, I just— it just, you know, you see people throw clubs like that's a common thing. You'll see the PGA Tour post the videos. I think Max came on. I think Max was on the show talking about like being anti-club throw, threw a club like a few weeks later. And like the PGA Tour will promote it and they'll be like, oh, you know, angry club throw, look at this club throw, no two-shot penalties. And so the fact that this was a two-shot penalty was so egregious, yet somehow, some way, in today's day and age, there's no video anywhere.

Makes you think.

And it's a live guy.

Really makes you think.

I mean, it could be dangerous. There could have been a locker nearby. Yeah, that the club hit.

What?

So also they wouldn't let— give him relief from fire ants. No respect. Oh yeah, that's right. Then he tried to invoke the Bryson rule.

And he was like, there's a dangerous animal near my ball. And they're like, Joaquin, please don't, don't make us.

That does sound like he was going— they were going after the left.

But I think his team, I think Gabby, Gabby Herzig is her name, that reported it. And like, I guess his team was like going after on the range, be like, this is bullshit. And she was like, are you denying it? And like, they weren't denying it. They were just like, that's bullshit for reporting it.

Well, he was asked afterwards after he finished the tournament on Sunday. Are you thinking if that one hole didn't happen, you get those 7 shots back, you'd have a chance to win? He said, if my grandmother had tires, she'd be a car.

I like that answer.

Yeah, great answer. Is that how it—

Yeah, that's my answer. Ball, she'd be my— Yeah, yeah, that one works too.

No, but he's right. Yeah.

If his grandmother had—

She'd be a car.

Yeah, she'd be a car.

That's how it works. Anything with tires.

Well, she'd be a motorcycle if she had 2 tires, right?

Or a unicycle. She'd be Red Panda.

I assumed the tires would be both her legs, so she'd be more of a motorcycle. So Neiman should be Actually, we should just have some more penalties.

That would just be roller skates in that case. Giant roller skates. So, Hank, did he— did he admit to throwing the club?

Yes.

And what are— what are LIV's rules against that? I don't know if this happened on the LIV Tour. They should market themselves like this is where the tour that allows you to throw clubs.

Yeah. I mean, they don't have anything left, so.

Right.

As well just do that.

Yeah, they might be already.

Yeah.

That league, we don't have video evidence of Live doesn't exist anymore. It's just a figment of our imagination.

A couple more events.

Oh, really? And then you can be tuned in on the app that you never bought.

I was too late. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I'll be tuned in.

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Awesome.

Just the whole vibes, the stadium. Everything rocked and we're the best. We're the best. We're the best in the world until someone tells me differently until we lose. We have— I think that was the first time ever we've won 2 games in a row in the World Cup.

That sounds like—

I think I saw that.

That could be right.

So we're the best ever.

That could possibly be right. I'm actually getting—

we might be the best. I'm getting to the point now, PFT, where people are doing like power rankings of what they've seen so far. And if we're not top 10, I get angry.

You're getting mad.

Yeah, I get fucking angry.

You should be mad because I did see one article, I think like it was in The Athletic, and they had us still at number 17.

No one's taking it seriously.

It's like, that's some bullshit. I think you have to start taking it seriously because what we saw on Friday, we played a really good game and we dominated without our best player. And that's hard to do, especially at the World Cup. We've seen like all the ties that you could ever hope for, some very lopsided, like in terms of skill contests that end up closer than they should be. And we just dominated. We just said, fuck you, we're going to play our style of soccer. And I thought that like the, the counter-pressing that we did was amazing. Again, we've got a really good coach. We have a kick-ass. I know.

And I like, I like his, his fits. He dominated. The Australian coach looked like he was catering a wedding. He was like in all black with a tie, dressed for his own funeral. But yeah, you're right. Like Pulisic being out. Most teams having to go to your backup. Like, look what happened in Portugal. They're playing a backup in Ronaldo and it's not going well. Right. Exactly. So when you, when you hope you're not playing 10 on 11, we were not in that case. Yeah, I thought, I thought Zach's playing his backup glasses tonight. Yep.

Yeah. He's sometimes your best game is your next game. He's got a next game coming up.

Yeah. And so this is, this is where it gets interesting because we just won our group. So fuck you, rest of the world. We're in charge, by the way.

The new rules suck. The new rules for, for how to win a group suck.

What do you mean?

The— they basically eliminated these third games meaning anything for half of the groups and it sucks. So it's now the head-to-head is now the tiebreaker, not total goals. It used to be total goals. So you would have like going into this third game, you'd have— I'm not complaining that we won our group. That's awesome. But going into this third game, you would still have to play. And like, Australia, if they went fucking nuts and they scored a shitload of goals and won their game, they could win the group. Now you have like Mexico's not going to have to play anyone. U.S. isn't going to have to play anyone. We can sit everyone who's got a yellow card. Like, I— there's only so many World Cup games and they've basically with this new head-to-head rule, they've eliminated probably, I don't know, 6 games that just will have no meaning whatsoever.

Yeah.

I don't know how many are going to be— are going to like fall into that category, but that does stink. I do.

I like the fact that they changed the rule about the yellow cards though.

So the yellow cards are going to reset after the group stage. So right, you get the second yellow card in the opening knockout game and you were sitting on a yellow, then you're not going to be suspended for the next game.

No, you can still be suspended. The yellow cards reset after the group stage.

That's what I said.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So you have to— you guys right now say if you were sitting on a yellow at the end of the group stage and you got one knockout stage, but we have to sit our guys with yellows because you don't want them to have be suspended for the next, right? Because then if they got that second yellow in the last game, that would impact. But yeah, they do reset at the end of the group stage, which I think is a really good rule. But yeah, I'm looking at who we might be playing and the stats about— we're going on probability. The first, the first two games should be winnable, very winnable for us. The bracket might be breaking out to be the most friendly that it possibly could, which scares me just a little bit that everything's kind of falling into line too perfectly. This looks like we'd be playing Bosnia.

This graphic is ridiculous because this graphic was posted before half of the groups even played their second game.

Yeah. So I love it. Right now it's Bosnia or Qatar would be the two teams that we're probably going to play in the first round. And then after that, it's like everything's very much up in the air. So we don't, we don't really know, but it could be. It's looking like it would be one of the more winnable paths to the Final Four. Which would be pretty incredible for us to do.

Yeah, it would. Hank, did you enjoy the game? I'm sorry that U.S. won.

No, it's a good game.

Happy.

I'm happy for the fans. Happy for you guys. You know, the country roads, like the—

I—

go on.

I don't—

yes, I like the support for our country.

Good.

People want to pretend to be big soccer people. Go for it.

You were so mad.

They can do whatever they want. No, I mean, just if I'm, if I was going to be a hater though.

Yeah.

We didn't even qualify for this tournament.

Yeah. Yeah. You don't have to.

We hosted.

Yeah. Yeah.

We hosted.

So we got a cookie cutter. We just got like a charity, a charity like entry. And then they gave us a charity group. So obviously we won our group because they was set up for us to win our group.

I've been telling you that FIFA is the most blatantly corrupt rig organization in the world for the last 4 years. Of course we got a sweet group. They take care of the host.

We didn't qualify. Like, we earned it. Maybe I could get— but it's like, oh, you're going to— it's cooking.

It's good.

I mean, we would have made the World Cup.

We won a T-ball game. It's a home run in T-ball.

It's an expanded field. Everybody made the World Cup this year. What? Except for Italy.

What, Hank? What were you more mad about? Were you mad? More mad that we won and everyone's pumped that we love our country except you and we had a great time on Friday? Or are you more mad that when you looked at the bracket and you couldn't find the Dominican, you're like, well, now I don't have a team.

Yeah, I mean, it would, it would be electric. Dominican was— I got, I got Cape Verde though. I'm a, I'm a, I'm a Cape Verdean for this, for this World Cup.

Hey, Hank tried to accuse us of gaslighting him into saying when, when I think we were both tweeting during the game being like, Hank's got to hate this right now. He's like, you guys are gaslighting into being anti-American.

I would enter World Cup.

I would maybe buy that argument if we don't have literally an example of 3 months ago you rooting against our country in an international competition.

No, I was just— I was rooting for the Dominican, and then we ended up playing them.

So, Hank, I know that, like, if we play Cape Verde, we have—

oh, it's over.

Yeah. I mean, you had a lot of respect the other day for Bosnian— what'd you call them?

Bosnian and Herzegovina, whatever.

Yeah. Trying to explain to Hank why there was a country that had the word 'and' in their name was tough to do.

Well, you just said Bosnia. You didn't give them the respect of saying their last name.

Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Like, my point was exactly proven by you when you just go, Right now it's matched up. We're going to play Bosnia. If that's the answer, why don't— what? Like, why do they have two names? You're not going to say them?

Why don't you say the other name?

That was a fair point by Hank.

Okay, we have to play— Hank got one point.

We have to play Bosnia and Herzegovina. We're the only team that might play two opponents.

Yeah. Go USA.

That's— no, you don't mean that.

You don't mean that at all.

I feel like, Hank, you should— it would do you a lot of good if you just enlist in the military for a little bit. Just get some patriotism worked in there.

The Country Roads was awesome. I watched that 20 times and I actually got like tears in my eyes.

That's the thing about soccer in America is like we've got a lot of people trying to figure out how we can adapt our culture into fitting in with European soccer and take on some of their traditions but Americanize them. We've got the best sports traditions in the world right here in the United States. Just do those.

Yeah.

And the hydro— in the hydration break, second half, I wouldn't mind hearing renegade.

No, it's the truth. It's a part of the reason why the Hanks of the world can't get into soccer is— and I'm going to defend you here, Hank.

When you see—

I just don't like the sport. Well, I know. But when you see on social media or, you know, before a game, a bunch of dorks in scarves trying to copy a European country's like chants, it's stupid. You know what we should do? We should do a fucking Penn State whiteout. Okay, that's what we should do. We should play neck. We have all these things that we are dominant in.

Yeah, we should.

You know, I'll even say this. This is fucking nuts. We should put the dorks and the Cameron crazies right on the sideline and have them just breathing down the neck of someone trying to do a throw-in.

Get all the—

get all our tradition off it.

Have— have the Ravens fans walk up with their camo pants. Yeah, like really dive into everything that— because we do have a lot of great fan base. LSU neck would be a perfect example. Put a marching band in the crowd, play it, turn all the lights off in the stadium before the game kicks off, and then blast Inner Sandman.

Yeah. Stop trying to make songs happen that we can't do because guess what? A bunch of drunk dudes in England are better at picking like a '70s rock song and then, and then, and then rhyming their favorite player with that song. They're just good at it. They just naturally have it. You know what we have? We have the fucking black hole. Get the Raiders gorilla behind the net. Boltman.

Bring that out. Also, their fans know their players' names. We don't have that going for us.

Oh, what? It's Hank being like fake fans.

I mean, what's over 70% of the people that are like USA, USA, let's go USA soccer? 3 players? 4 players?

Maybe?

You know 3 things. You know red, white, and blue.

Just root for them.

Root for fucking America.

That's all you need to know.

Yes. Those are the only 3 things you need.

That's what I'm saying. Like, the songs are never happening.

What stats are you— are you getting these from?

My eyes.

Where'd you see it? So 70% of U.S. soccer fans can't name 3 players?

Probably more.

I think you're also basing a lot of this on our office, which is— yes, one of the dumbest offices in the world.

Million percent.

Chaps proves that to be true almost daily when he gives us questions and people can't fucking name the state of— like, they can't, they can't recognize Missouri, let alone another country.

Million, million percent. Hank's basing this off of 3 guys that he's upset with.

I mean, is soccer bigger than you? Am I crazy?

It's the World Cup.

It's in our—

it's— we're playing the World Cup on the 250th anniversary of our country, on our soil, and we're the best.

And it is the most popular sport in the world.

That, that I believe.

The other games have been pretty cool.

Been some good ties.

Good ties. Brazil finally woke up. What was the— oh, oh, Netherlands just absolutely— is it— what's it— are we— is it Holland? Is it Netherlands? Which one is it?

They're the Dutch.

Okay.

I like him fast.

Yeah. Would you— oh, do you like— I like Haaland. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For Norway.

That's not—

that's not Netherlands.

You just said Holland.

Oh, Holland.

Country.

Holland.

The country.

Got it. Yeah. Norway's on first. Norway is what the guy from Australia said when he scored that own goal. Norway.

The— and then Jamal made his debut for Spain.

He's so good.

He's awesome. And you should get in on him. You won't. He also has been I mean, you want— you want the worst out of the— of like the century. There's a photo shoot that Messi, when he was like 20 years old, did a photo shoot with a baby, with a baby. And the baby was Jamal. Yeah, he was— he was baptized. The next GOAT was baptized by the current GOAT. Ronaldo never done that. Look at that. That's Jamal right there. Is that crazy?

It's a real picture.

Messi scored his first World Cup goal in 2006 while aged 18 years, 11 months, and wearing number 19. Jamal scored his first World Cup goal in 2026 while aged 18 years, 11 months, wearing number 19.

Destiny.

And that's what—

this is real. Yeah.

No, 100% real.

Crazy.

I thought—

why did this happen?

They were doing some sort of photo shoot.

They get weird photoshoots for babies and Messi.

Was it an ad?

Yeah, it was Messi and babies.

Is it an ad for Messi and babies? We need more.

I think there's a There's more pictures of—

there it is. There's the article right there. The Anointed One.

See, was he like good at soccer as a baby?

This is the— if— no, listen, it was already over. But like, if Ronaldo has nothing—

till Ronaldo is baptizing a baby that ends up being the next best world soccer star, how much do you think Jamal could charge to baptize a baby right now?

A lot. There we go. Cameo. Yeah, it was a— it was a calendar. It was a calendar under for charity.

Yep.

Okay.

That's all. And that baby ended up being one of the best players in the world.

You can't look past that.

He christened him. Yeah. Yeah. No, doing cameos for, for baptizing. That's, that's next up, I think. Pretty sick. Yeah, it's pretty cool. And we are sorry to say, Hank, we are the best in the world. Get used to it. Mm-hmm. We'll be around for a while.

So what would be a disappointing finish for—

at this point, we got to get to semis.

I'm saying I'm sticking what I said at the start of the tournament, which is we need to win. We need to make it to the quarterfinals.

Let's see how the bracket comes out because there will definitely be— if the bracket is set up how it's set up right now, we should be in the top 8. I don't know. Come on. Quarterfinals. That's 4. The semifinals, quarterfinals.

I guess why that would be confusing. Yeah.

Yeah.

Because you got quarter in there.

But no, you should get to the semis if it was what it's set up right now.

Who knows what it's going to look like after the next round of games. But it does. It looks like we should. We're going to be favored in our first game and we're probably going to be favored in our second game. And then the third is where it really shakes out into like we could end up running into a powerhouse like Spain who has been tied by— was that— that was Keith Vardy. So anything can happen. But what— so you're talking about the Netherlands. The Netherlands is awesome. I think it's been like 14 games since they've lost. Yeah. In regulation at the World Cup. Yeah. They just— they've, they've made a habit of flaming out pretty spectacularly in some big moments later on in the tournament. But they're a really, really good team and they have been for a while. So I might put a little— I want to wait till the bracket really like comes into its own. I get to see what the matchups might be, but I think I'm going to put down some money on—

I just like— I liked playing with them in 2010. That was a great video game, the South Africa one. And Arjen Robben, he was sick for the Netherlands.

Okay.

Any other World Cup thoughts, Max? You went to a watch party, right?

Sick.

I did.

It was awesome.

Great vibes.

Speaking of— City was bumping. Curaçao.

Curaçao's coach is named Dick Advocate. I just thought that was fun.

That is fun.

That's a fun thing of note.

Great tie from them.

Yeah, great tie.

Really good tie.

Speaking of parties, Memes is back. Memes, give it the— I know you were on your way to karaoke coming from the Subway sandwich shop on Friday.

Yep.

Well, tell us everything.

I went into the city at 5:30, didn't get back home on Long Island till 10:30 at night. Long day. Vibes were immaculate. The best way to describe the parade, it was kind of like World War Z, which is a zombie apocalypse movie. People were just climbing on everything. They were climbing on garage trucks. Yeah. Scaffolding, light poles, like everything you could imagine. It was being climbed on. And whatever they reported for the number, I think it was 2 million. Just double it.

Okay.

So 4 million.

Yeah.

Okay.

4 million people.

And what—

who—

how did you get—

you had—

you were like standing next to Mike Brown. You were standing right next to the, the, the speeches.

How did you do that?

We just— we knew a cop.

Oh, hell yeah.

It was a big know a cop day or know an AWL day. Like, after we were done with the parade, we went over to Stone Street and like, it was— it was mobbed. And then a group of AWLs were like, hey, we got a table. And then that was— that was probably the greatest part of the parade, uh, for me.

Told you, the after— after the parade drinking.

Yeah, people were just throwing toilet paper everywhere and it was just hanging off of a bunch of ribbons in the middle of the street.

That's awesome. What was the weather like?

Weather was good. Started raining a little bit, but it was still, still perfect.

How many guys call you champion?

Everyone. Everyone was just calling each other champion.

Champion or champ? Champion. Like looking you in the eyes and saying champion, champion.

You would, you would say champion, champion, and then shake hands.

Oh, that's pretty incredible.

So this is, this was a thing.

Never doubted it.

Did somebody say it wasn't a thing?

No, we reported on Friday that everyone was doing it. Yeah, it sounded real.

I was personally doing that. So whoever was reporting it, reporting that, I might have just said it to that person.

Who is the best? Who had the best speech?

Best speech? I'm going to be honest, then don't remember the speeches.

Good answer.

Great.

What about— do you see any toe sucking?

Didn't see any toes.

You see, you know that video I'm talking about? That guy was getting after the toes.

That and the twerking were—

oh, the twerking lady was awesome. She just worked right in her face, and she had the presence of mind to have the orange underwear. Like, she went to the parade being like, there's a good chance my pants come off and I got to be ready for this.

She knew.

Yeah.

Okay, great. And it— I, I'll say this, uh, we're gonna get to Mount Rushmore after the interviews, but we, we decided the teams on Friday, and Memes, Max, and I are a team. We were talking before, I don't know if I'm ready for the world that we live in now where Memes is just kind of smiling all the time, and Max and I just accused him of like being weird, and then we realized This is just who he is now. Yeah, it's fucking crazy.

He's a happy man.

Yeah, I'm just, I'm just a winner now as a former loser. Yeah. Yeah, it's just nice to win.

Do you look down on, on guys like me?

No, I root for you now.

That's awesome. That's so patronizing.

That's so much worse.

Yeah, thanks, man. That's so much worse.

Like, I was more cynical because, yeah, you know, all everyone—

this is, this is Billy and the Jets.

Yeah, no, no, no. But like, oh, I would—

this one makes sense.

But he actually won something.

But I really did it because they They started like 3-1.

Yeah, I would hate watch like teams like purposely root against, but now, now I'm rooting for. We got a goal, Egypt.

Yeah, love that.

1-1.

Give me all the ties.

I will say one other funny part from the parade. My buddy was wearing a Josh Hart Villanova jersey and we were walking down an alley and there were 3 other guys wearing Villanova jerseys and it just happened to be the other 3 guys.

Oh, did you take a picture?

Yeah, it was a very dudes rock moment. It was just Dante DiVincenzo. Brunson and McHale, and we had the fourth long lost.

And none of them were Brunson.

No, one guy was Brunson.

The one of them was—

we had Josh Hart. They had the other three.

That is—

oh yeah. Got it. Got it. I thought— okay, okay, okay.

I got you.

That's really sick. Now we have the draft and free agency coming. Did Trae Young sign, by the way?

No. Well, Monday is Monday when free agency is.

Giannis still up in the air. I've seen a lot of people being like, Giannis is about to sign, trying to call their shot. Shot and then missing the window.

Going to the Celtics, right?

Hey, I think it's Heat is the—

Heat seems like the favorites. Also, did you see AJ D'Abansa, um, Father's Day?

Father's Day.

Nice Father's Day post. Post a picture of his dad in front of the White House, and his dad was wearing, I believe, uh, the Georgetown Nikes in the second picture. Yeah, I saw that. And then the, the Darren Peterson news is kind of weird too, where he says he's not going to work out or meet with any team besides the Wizards. So he might just be doing an Eli and just like forcing his way. We might get both of them.

Hmm. You might get both Darren Peterson and AJ.

Maybe that's what— that's what it looks like. Darren Peterson won't play basketball for any team except the Washington Wizards.

Yeah. Didn't that happen last year for the guy the Jazz drafted?

Oh, Ace Bailey. Yeah.

The Jazz are like, we don't give a fuck. There's a coming to Utah.

There's been— there's been a couple of commonalities in the last couple of drafts. I don't know who it is in D.C. that keeps leaking word to the media that like everybody in the draft only wants to play for the Wizards. But that's like a pattern that we're starting to see.

Well, I mean, that would make sense for every agent to try to vie for their player to get the first—

be the first pick.

Right. Okay. Anything else before we do? Oh, the Kachucks are now together in Florida.

That's pretty crazy.

Yeah. I feel like we— and we'll have the hockey guys on at some point this summer. I feel like hockey's got like a sneaky situation going where everyone's just forcing their way to states without income tax. I know we've touched on it a little bit, but Biz has talked about it, but it feels like a really big problem now. Yeah, because it's not like, it's not like the NFL or NBA where they're, you know, guys are making millions upon millions. Like hockey guys, if you're making $2 million, like the difference on state income tax, like that's a That's massive. So I don't know.

Another—

the Kachuk brothers in Florida will be fun.

Yes, it was 3 first-round picks and a second. That's a lot. Yeah, right. Like in hockey, that's 3 first-rounders is kind of nuts. But this is a good move, I think, for the Panthers.

Yeah, I'm just happy they get to podcast together now in person.

Yeah, the quality of the show is going to go up big time.

As someone who roots for the podcast, around the world.

Yeah, actually, I don't like that. I don't like that part of it.

Why?

Well, I'm just saying, like, if we're going to be competitive and cutthroat, I guess iron sharpens iron.

Yeah. No, we can't— we don't run away from competition. We're not like Wyndham Clark's psychological coach who's, who's covering her ears when shit gets tough. We run towards the fire. We're ready for it. All right, let's do Who's Back of the Week. Who's Back of the Week is brought to you by our friends at Twisted Tea. Summer's here and Twisted Tea is coming in clutch to turn our day drinking up a notch. Their new Summer Party Pack has a brand new Twisted Lemonade made with real lemons and 5% alcohol. It's got that refreshing taste with a little kick, no carbonation, and goes down smooth. We love Twisted Lemonade. I'm going to be having some Twisted Lemonades over— we're on vacation. We'll still have shows next week, but the Barstool office is closed. I'm gonna be sitting at a pool and I'm gonna be having some Twisted Lemonades. So whether it's hitting the course for a round, pre-gaming a ballgame, or inviting the guys over for some backyard grilling, the new Twisted Tea Summer Party Pack is perfect to keep the good times rolling. Grab a refreshing Twisted Tea today. Hank?

Yeah, I had the Panthers, I guess, fights. The Big Three came back. They had to suspend one of their games.

I saw that.

Lance Stephenson, Dwight Howard, Jordan Crawford, Michael Beasley all got in like separate fights throughout the game. Enough players got ejected where they just couldn't continue the game.

That was crazy.

Kind of exciting. I mean, it's like it is. It is a reason to tune in.

Do you want a free one?

I—

Game of Thrones?

No.

Game of Thrones is back.

It is.

I'm excited.

Yeah.

Do another one.

Sure.

Kevin Durant.

You see that quote from Kevin Durant? Kevin Durant went on a podcast.

Did you—

did anyone see this? It's quite shocking.

No.

Kevin Durant. I don't know why he's decided to talk about joining the Warriors now. I guess it is 10 years. Yeah, it's the 10-year anniversary. But he essentially said on this interview, the fucking Cavs 10-year anniversary. No, I know, but July 1st is the 10-year anniversary.

Sure. Was on Million Dollars Worth of Game. Oh, was it? It's the old interview.

Oh, so why is it going viral?

They just clipped it.

Oh, so. But it is a 10-year anniversary. July 1st, 2016, I believe, is when Kevin Durant went to the Warriors.

Yeah, that would make sense.

He said, though, when he went to the Warriors, he— everyone was like, oh, you hooked up with your friends, you know. He's like, I wasn't tight with any of those guys. And he said that he wasn't thinking about the fact that the Warriors had been to back-to-back finals and just, uh, won— what was it, 73 games or whatever it was? Uh, he was saying that the Warriors as a franchise overall was, was, was seen as losers. So he thought he was kind of joining an underdog.

Okay, so that's the mental gymnastics he's gone through to— yeah. To defend the ring chasing.

Yeah. Okay. He said you've never been a— the words— never been a perennial winner. You know what I'm saying? In the NBA from the '50s on up. So I'm like, damn, this is an underdog franchise to me.

Yeah. Nobody expected them to do anything.

Yeah. Hell of a spin zone.

Yeah.

Hell of a spin zone. Okay. You good, Hank?

What do you got?

What are you looking for?

I feel like it was after that.

No, I know.

I'm just literally— the Warriors beat the Thunder in the Western Conference Final. And then Kevin Durant went. Yeah, it might have been July 4th, July 4th, 2016, because it was when I did the hot dog competition. I remember I was stuffed full of hot dogs and I saw the— my next chapter.

Yeah, that was graphic. Defending it by saying like the Warriors were not—

they're loser friends.

We're not a good team is wild, even for KD.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, they're a loser franchise.

All right. All right, Katie. Yeah, I hope he's happy.

He's not.

No.

Maybe one day. Come on the show. Come on the show.

We'll make it on the show.

We'll talk.

We'll talk through it.

Okay.

PFTs will make you really happy. Memes will root for you. You do wish nothing but success for Kevin Durant now, Memes.

If he comes on the show.

Yeah.

Max is putting up a tweet of Bryce Harper.

Well, you're talking about free ones getting us a cycle, so.

Hmm. Do you think that was a triple?

Sure was. I— continue, because this is just going to out you for not knowing ball.

I know I asked you a question if you thought it was a triple.

I would like you to continue with asking you if it was a triple.

It was.

They scored a triple.

It was. It was.

It's a triple.

Correct.

He was going for— he was going to third base before the throw.

I know. I just want to get— I want—

he would have been thrown out.

He would have been for sure thrown out.

Yeah.

Yeah, but it is a triple, and anyone who's complaining about it being a triple does not know ball.

Yeah, I just want to get you fired up about it, Max.

I was hoping that you were going to be on the opposite.

No, because I mean, it's clear as day that he was— he rounded second in maybe like the dumbest display of base running of all time.

I mean, they were up 13, and yeah, it worked out for him.

But yeah, it's a triple, Max.

By the way, congratulations on being a wildcard team.

Congratulations to you.

Thank you very much.

Congrats, guys. Happy for both of you.

Did you guys see the, the, the PCA stat? Can I just say it real quick? It's fucking crazy. The PCA, uh, in the— so this was from Friday. It was— there have been 5 million total 18-game spans by players in Major League Baseball modern era, and none of them did a player have as many hits, doubles, triples, homers, and steals as PCA did in those 18 games. 5 million. 1 in 5 million. And then, uh, Ryan Spader did follow up with that saying that if he had that 18-game span, like, yeah, for the entire season, he still would have had a lower OPS than Barry Bonds in 2004, which is absolutely insane.

Every Barry Bonds stat feels like it's made up.

Yes, it's Tony Gwynn and Tony Gwynn and Greg Maddux and Barry Bonds.

Yeah, just absolutely crazy. Yeah. Do we have news?

Oh, Egypt scored again. That was bad. Bad for the ties.

We do have news.

Mo Salah. It's not crazy.

What's the news?

Breaking news. Wow, Max, go ahead, tell us this big breaking news that you got us.

I did not. Well, you're pulling up doing the job. I'm just doing the thing.

Oh, read it, read it, Max. This is big breaking news.

Aaron Wiggins to the Atlanta Hawks for 2 second round picks.

Big instant reaction from the booth.

Thunder.

Fleece.

Thunder just is a fucking so good at getting picks.

This is a fleecing.

Grade the trade.

Oh, is that Atlanta's 20th, 30th, 32nd round pick?

Fucked.

Who knows how valuable that pick could be?

That could be Jalen Brunson.

Yeah, great point.

No, the next Jalen Brunson.

Jalen Brunson's already in the NBA.

No, I know, I'm saying the second round pick. Yeah, it could be the next Jalen.

Yeah, I'm just saying like, that's not— yeah, that's definitively not going to be Jalen.

Well, no, but you don't know that.

Maybe they could use that pick to get Jalen Brunson.

And there could be another guy named Jalen Brunson. Yeah, absolutely.

Or they— yeah, you don't know what the package would look like to get Jalen.

Were you talking about a different Jalen Brunson?

No, I'm saying that could be Jalen Brunson. It could end up being a Jalen. It could be a Jokic. Yeah, Jalen Brunson, second round picks.

There's so many Jaylens in the NBA.

Yeah.

All right, good breaking news.

Great job, Max.

We're having fun.

Way to go.

We're having fun out here. Yeah. Uh, my Who's Back of the Week is Serena Williams. She's playing in She's playing in Wimbledon. She's 44.

What memes? Oh, now you're a champion. You're too good for us to make grunts.

You guys know, you guys know I laugh at it.

Oh, Zach. Oh, combination disqualification.

Serena is— she's back. I'm staying very woke on this. I'm thinking this is just a viral advertisement for her weight loss drug that she has. One, she's— yeah, she's like the face of a weight loss drug.

Yeah.

Which one?

I forget. I don't want to give her free pub. Okay. But yeah, I feel like this is a marketing stunt, even though she is still— I think she's hitting like 120 miles an hour on her serve still. So she's probably good enough to beat like the scrubs that she'll play in the first round.

I'll be honest, tennis is a sport that I pay so little attention to, I have no idea who's retired or not. I thought she was still playing. Like, is Federer retired?

Oh, yes.

Yeah. Okay. Is Nadal— oh, oh, yes, he's retired. Yeah. And Serena and Venus are retired.

Oh, yeah. I saw Nadal's last match on clay.

Now Serena's back.

Okay. And then this gives Serena and Venus a double spot since she's getting the wild card now.

Yeah.

Got it.

Oh, so congrats to Serena. Yeah, I guess. My other who's back of the week is environmental testing and safety standards and standing up for what's right in this country. These corporations, they pollute our water, they poison our earth, they put dangerous chemicals in our, in our food and onto our football teams. And we're not going to stand for it anymore. We did some testing last week. Is the video out? Came out on Friday. It did. Came out Friday. We did some testing on the ground in Hammond, Indiana, that the bears are planning on moving to potentially. Zach and I— Zach did most of the testing. We have it all documented and we discovered that there is lead, right, Zach? A lot of lead in the groundwater.

Zach drank it, tested it.

It's going to be Maybe it might actually be a home field advantage for the Bears. Now that I'm thinking about it, like if you're not used to having lead on your playing field and you come into Chicago, that's going to be tough to deal with during the game. But yes, it's polluted. So go watch the video now. We actually did some, some weird science testing. I think it's, I think it's valid. I think that's a legit experiment we did, Zach.

Yeah. Our independent research, the lead test did test. It maxed out on the scale.

Yeah, as much lead as possible.

And we—

I think we said in the video, I don't know what made the final cut, but if the Bears would like us to be their lead investigators, we can be bought.

Yeah.

And we will retest and wink wink, it'll be fine.

We'll give you an updated test every week depending on who pays us more money.

And then we'll whistle blow right as the shovels go in the ground and be like, haha, we're just getting so much lead, you can't build there.

Also, Chicago might be Titletown, Big Cat.

Oh, yeah.

The Hounds, the Chicago rugby team, just won Major League Rugby.

I knew that.

Yeah, well, it just happened like right now.

Oh, so like right this second?

Like right now.

Go Hounds.

Fuck yes. Undefeated season. Never been done before.

How many? How many years is the league?

I think 4.

Okay.

4 years.

Yeah.

The only answer I wasn't going to take there was 1.

Yeah.

Yeah.

If you said 1, I would have been like, come on, it's the perfect year.

Yeah, I love that. All right. My Who's Back of the Week? My first one is, oh, look at that, Champions. They look good.

They got a dog that runs out and picks the tee up.

Yeah.

Great job putting the dog in the graphic.

Yep.

Love that.

Memes, you go to the parade with me?

Yeah, I'm a big parade guy.

We should actually offer our office for the parade if the Chicago Hounds want to do their—

Yeah, we will do a parade here in the office. My Who's Back of the Week, my first one is Jameson Williams because I don't know if you guys saw, he bought a home. And he bought a home in his finest Slam a Slut Records shorts. What a hilarious picture.

Maybe the most—

I love the most aggressive shorts I've ever seen.

I'll say. I went and looked at Slam a Slut gear. Yeah, they got some nice shorts. Like, they got— they got different colorways. Mm-hmm. So showing up to your house buying though in Slam a Slut. Yeah, look at— go, go. Let's see some of the t-shirts and stuff. No free ads, but look, Sixers shorts right there, Max.

That's some good—

Max, you need some Slam a Slut record.

I may have to get some.

I might buy those for you. You should actually wear that on your wedding day.

I don't think that my wife would like that very much, but I would love to wear them around the office.

Do you think that the Sixers— you think the Sixers approved of those? Can't. That logo—

and this is not—

no, this is just for sure the real logo.

Yeah, yeah.

Fully embroidered. Looks like good gear.

Yeah.

Oh, I like the ones that—

this—

these appear to be Timberwolves shorts. That's the one with number 69 on the side.

Yeah, I like the ones he was wearing. Really nice. It's a great movie.

Giving great promo to Slam a Slot, right?

The hoodies. The hoodies are incredible.

Yeah.

Also, bathtubs are back, Max.

Never left.

Well, did you see there's a guy trying to break through? Broke the 40-year-old world record by sitting in a bathtub full of baked beans for 4 days and 10 hours.

That doesn't sound as—

oh, so now— oh, so now you don't like bathtubs?

I just don't think— I just don't know if I got that in me.

Baked beans, 40 hours for 4 days, 4 days and 10 hours.

10 hours. So there's a guy that did it for 4 days and 9 hours somewhere around there. Probably the only thing he's got going for him in his entire life is records. Getting broken.

Yep. Also, who's back the week just getting roasted by my kids because my 3-year-old gave me a Father's Day gift and on it he, for my age, he wrote big exclamation point and then also just said my job is to play soccer.

I had it. I love that you sent that. You sent that to the group and I had a text written out saying really fucked up for him to put big as your age. The exclamation If it was just big, I think it would have been fine. I think it was big with the exclamation point.

I also made it seem like it. Yeah, it hurts.

It looked like the teacher did some editorializing with the exclamation. Well, and I asked him, did not have to put that exclamation point.

I asked him, I was like, hey, how old am I? And he confirmed, he said big.

Yeah.

And then I said, what color are my eyes? He said blue, which no, they're not. But he has blue eyes and his favorite color is blue. But it was not only the big, but then my favorite— or sorry, 3 things he loves about me is that I eat dinner. Brutal. Eat dinner. And my favorite food is breakfast and banana bread.

Is that true?

I do love banana bread.

Banana bread is good.

It's really good.

It's—

if there's banana bread sitting on the kitchen table, you're eating it every single—

I would say one, one. Tiramisu. Number 2, banana bread.

Yeah, but yeah, big. And I play soccer and he likes to play soccer. I think it's because our office has soccer balls.

That's—

you're good at soccer. I am. Memes said that.

Probably a pro.

Probably a pro.

I mean, according to my son, yes. Okay, Zach, sorry.

Okay. My Who's Back of the Week this week is going to be Dudes Online. A lot of times nowadays online, things are taken so serious, out of context, and not so much fun. But did you guys see the Pour Beer on My Crotch Challenge?

Yeah.

On Twitter this weekend?

Oh, I didn't. Taking over.

Yeah. Yeah, it was— it was a beautiful thing to see people just having a great time slamming beers and then pouring beers on their crotch. On their crotch.

Yeah.

Men, women. Did you get in on it? I did not, but I did— I observed from afar and it looked like a lot of fun.

Did you go out this weekend?

Yeah. When I watched the US game, it was a lot of fun.

Oh, hell yeah.

Yeah, I think Zach was probably pretty busy getting his application ready for Streaming Universe.

Oh, yeah, he's definitely got to be done with that. Max, maybe put a space in there, dude. Pour beer on my crotch.

Right, right, Zach. Zach, how's that going?

I got one last step on there.

Yeah. So, okay. Application's due in 2 hours.

Oh, okay. What's the last step?

It's the same step that he's always said he needs to do a video.

I've got most of the video mapped out. I just got 2 other parts I got to record.

But how have you not done the video? 2 hours?

Full transparency, I didn't know it was going to be today until I saw earlier today online.

Okay, got it.

Is it— do we know the time zones of when this—

you might have 1 hour.

Yeah, there's a good chance it's 1.

It's— so it's probably going to be, uh, there's a good chance 1 hour. Time zones throws a thing into some things, but yeah, we're good.

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Time zones throws a thing into some things.

I couldn't get my— the words out, so I went with thing and some things.

What's the issue?

No, yeah, time zones are fine.

Can watch. I'm looking at the poor beers on my crotch. The thing that Max couldn't find. Very funny. I like this a lot. It's pictures, not videos.

Yeah, a lot of photos.

I like that.

Old school. A lot of people who are able to catch the beer like mid-flow as well. Some pretty good action shots.

Okay. Poor beer on my crotch. I'm going to have to get in on this.

We got guys out at the bar.

I'm just pouring Twisted Tea on my crotch at family dinners and stuff. This is good. Guys walking around with piss pants. That guy's driving.

I like this one.

This guy, that's a problem. Cut that one. That one was behind the wheel.

This one guy just said, put a beer on your cock challenge, and then people are roasting him saying, pour it on your crotch, you coward. That's not the rule.

Yeah, he tried to make it something that it wasn't.

Yeah, they're trying to sexualize this.

Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah, this is good. I think I'm going to give it like one more week till it gets taken by, you know, some company takes it or we find something problematic with it. But enjoy this week. Pour beer on my crotch.

Yeah.

Okay. You had any other— who's back, Zach?

I did have the beans in the tennis as well. Fourth one.

I got the beans as well.

I did. He's— his name's Colin. He's 40 from the UK.

Okay.

Yeah.

He's just doing it for the love of the game.

It's— so he works at a food— it's for charity. It's a food pantry, I believe. So they're going to donate—

they donate beans.

Or no, they're going to donate money and then they're buying more food for the food pantry.

He did say that sleeping in it feels like you're sleeping in a fridge, which that doesn't feel fun. No, I don't. I like— listen, I like air conditioning. I don't know about sleeping in a fridge.

Did you see the photo?

Yeah.

You know, messy.

It's very messy outside, too.

Yeah.

He's just— this might actually be England's answer to air conditioning, sleeping in a bathtub of beans.

Yes.

Yeah, it certainly wouldn't be for beer because they drink hot beer.

Mm-hmm. All right. Good job, Zach. Let's get to our interviews. We got Max Homa talking more U.S. Open. Then we have our good friend George Kittle. And on the other side of that, we have the start of Mount Rushmore season.

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Okay, we now welcome on a very, very special guest. It is our good friend Max Homa. Happy Father's Day, Max. Let's start with that. Uh, did you golf today? Uh, on Father's Day, I feel like Father's Day golf is like New Year's, uh, Eve for the casual, for the casual drinker. It's like everyone's, everyone's like, I'm gonna golf today, even if I don't golf.

You know, that it hit me, uh, because I did not golf today and I've golfed every other day. We did a Father's Day, like, boys, uh, golf day on, like, was it Friday? Um, and I realized today felt more like, oh, this is an off day. But I realized this morning that most dads use this as an excuse to go play golf, right? I was using it as an excuse not to play golf. So, oh yeah, complete opposite, uh, obstacle. But happy, happy Father's Day to you guys. I was thinking about it before I came in. Zach has to have a child floating around somewhere. Like, that's just my assumption.

I don't know.

Zach, zero kids. He's sure on record and off record, zero children.

He's not a sex guy.

Yeah, intercourse isn't his thing.

On paper and off paper.

Yeah, on paper, off paper. So, so we watched— we just watched the US Open, uh, at Shinnecock, and the big story coming out of it is that, boy, do people not like Wyndham Clark. He played incredible, uh, down the stretch. The, the, the birdie on 16 was— that was his championship hole. But I wanted to start with— because it was a, like, a very bizarre— I, I don't remember watching a final round quite like this where the fans were actively booing an American for the US Open and like cheering when he had a bad shot and rooting for anyone. Like, it wasn't— at first I was like, oh, this is just because everyone loves Scottie, because we love Scottie. But then it was like, now it's Sam Burns, now it's, you know, Cam.

Yeah.

So what, like, from your perspective, would that have been tough to have everyone like actively cheering against you in that setting and like booing you and saying like, get in the bunker after a tee shot and shit?

I definitely like lean toward— I mean, just, I mean, I'm a people pleaser. It would suck. Like, that would just be hard.

I remember my mom—

I missed the first like 5 holes. My mom texts me and she's like, you won't believe this, but you know, they're cheering like, like against him. And I was like, uh, maybe they're not clapping, but whatever. I thought she was exaggerating. And then I got home and I was like, holy cow, like they are going at him. It felt like a Ryder Cup except the US person won, which is, uh, not a thing we do at the Ryder Cup.

Right.

It was very odd. Uh, the only thing I'll say is there is some joy, at least in the team events, when you play away, where it's like you fall in love with that silence and that groan when you make a putt. So maybe he— I mean, he obviously did a great job, but he must have turned that like in his favor in his head, like me against the world, because it was already probably really hard playing with Scottie. But that was weird. I mean, I know sometimes we'll have like, you know, people have their favorites. I would imagine everyone's gonna root for Scottie every week. But this, to your point, was truly like any time someone else made a putt.

Yes.

Like, fuck yeah, you're my new favorite. Like, you're going to win, right? I mean, no offense to Tom Kim, but like, you know, he's not an American dude, unfortunately, because, you know, like people like Hideki, like, he was my favorite person probably in the world of golf. And he doesn't even have a huge, like, following in America. It's just very rare. And like, especially with like just the Asian crew, they're all cool. But they just don't seem to get like a lot of backing from us. But when Tom started going, you could feel like the crowd be like, all right, if you're gonna do it, well, you know, we'll try to take you to the finish line. It was odd, but, um, I mean, we've, we've kind of needed in golf like a heel, I guess, in a way. And Wyndham doesn't deserve to be a heel. Uh, Dave, his caddy, is one of my closest buddies. But it was, as just a fan of golf, it was fun to have that, in my opinion, for a day. I feel bad that it's him because he's, you know, one of my guys. But I mean, it was kind of enjoyable just because I've never— I mean, that ball that rolled off the green on 6, like they were cheering.

Yeah, go, go, go. When it missed the green, they went nuts.

Yeah, it was crazy. And it was Tom Kim's birthday. I think that had something to do with it. Yeah, Scottie, it was his birthday. I heard several people singing happy birthday to both those guys. But yeah, it was, it was strange and it was a little uncomfortable because we're not used to hearing that at a golf tournament. It's like it seemed like it was almost piling on him at one point. But then after, he said he was talking to the press and he said, yeah, I kind of deserve some of that. Like, I kind of brought some of that on myself. So I feel, I feel like a moment like today where on 16 he could have melted down and when he hit that drive like a million yards to the left and then he was stuck in the shit and then got out of that and made like the most improbable birdie. Improbable birdie of the day, that feels like at that point the crowd kind of said, all right, he beat us, you know, like, yeah, good job. We'll now cheer for you because it looks like you're probably going to win this thing.

Would you know— do you know why? Besides like punching the lockers and like destroying advertising signage, like why?

Why? I was in that group that day, by the way. That was terrifying.

Yeah. Was it? It was. It was violent. He did destroy the fuck out of that, that tee box, right?

Yeah, so my guess on why, because Wyndham, you know, is, was one of the best golfers in college, uh, one of the best coming out of college, kind of hit a rough point if you want to talk about like prodigious people, but not like, you know, he's had a really great career obviously. And, um, you know, he's like a big, he's just like a dude, he's big into sports, uh, he doesn't do himself favors by saying we're gonna open Grape. I've listened to that podcast. Like, that doesn't help. But obviously we're, you know, joking. Like, he's like just a guy. He's like a guy's guy or whatever. I will say, just being a fan of sports, you notice in these interviews when someone doesn't full-blown own up to something and say, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, the fans just take it and go like the other way. My wife asked me today, like, what do you think he needs to do to like turn this narrative? And I was like, honestly, if after this, whether he wins or loses, if he gets up there and just kind of says, no, it's cool, like, I'm good with it.

And like he said, you know, I deserve it. I think it'll flip around. I do think that the fans were— it's fun or whatever. I, I'm— I mean, it's not, you know, it's not harmful, it's just weird for golf. But I think sometimes you see it go a complete other way, and then the next week the fans are gonna be like, this is a bit— like, that was a bit much. So I do think that he handled it perfectly. He never went back at anybody. He never, you know, from what I saw, never told somebody, you know, shut up or anything like that. And I think that's how you win it back. Um, but I mean, like you said, PFT, that was just weird. We don't get that in golf, like, ever. It's so freaking uncommon. Granted, we are technically in the state of New York, and it's a tough place to play, but, uh, that was, that was one of the weirdest, strangest days.

Yeah. And, and, but for the record, I, I think everyone knows where we sit. Like, I had no problem with it. I think that's— it's like, makes it— it was weird, but also fascinating to watch. Like, I saw some people bitching and moaning, being like, the fans are going too far. It's like, whatever, people are going to fan how they want to fan. And if he wins—

far is not saying that. Like, that's not too far. Too far is like, like saying like, you know, fuck you, or like, you're a pervert, or like something like that.

Yeah.

Or, you know, like say something in their back. I— here's the theory I was thinking about this. I think it's also his name and he can't change anything about his name. But if he was like Jason Clark, or, you know, Tom Clark. Yeah, it's a regular, just like generic name.

Yeah.

Do you think if the hotel chain was more like a Ritz-Carlton and less like a— yes, not a Ritz-Carlton, it might also do him some favors.

Clark, he's LaQuinta Clark, or, you know, Red Roof Inn Clark. I think he'd be okay.

All right, like the fact that his name is a timeshare— people hate timeshares. Like, even people that bought timeshares hate them.

Yeah, so I think it's the name, which you can't fix. I wonder what his middle name is. Let me, let me see if he—

because that would be— look at that middle name. Yeah, if it's something like Matthew, that would be all—

it's Robert. If he was Bob Clark—

Bobby Clark—

Robbie Clark.

Yeah, Bobby Clark.

I think people are treating him totally different.

Yeah, rebrand.

Maybe that's the rebrand. Yeah, it is.

It's like a hoity-toity golf name and everyone's like, what the hell is this? All right, so let's talk about the actual golf. Uh, Shinnecock, it went— it was like back and forth all week where it was like, oh, this day is going to look like hell, and You had a little stretch on Thursday, and, and actually, I want to start with that because there, there are some people who do not like Windham Clark, who like, he got so lucky on Thursday that the wind died down. My response to that would be, what happened to everyone else he was playing with too that was in that window? Um, do you think that Shinnecock, uh, did its, its job as, as being one of the toughest tests this weekend from what you saw on TV?

I, I did. I do think that they got, uh, this is set up. I, I'm not all in on the— I think we have, uh, like selective memory. Most US Opens, even when they're incredibly hard, the first day, like, the lowest scores are like low. Um, the fact that second place was 2-under meant that it was incredibly difficult. And to your point, I hate when people say that, like, you got the— you know, he got lucky. I mean, so did half of the field, and that's how golf works every week unless you play like, uh, one of those rare weeks where the wind doesn't blow at all. Everyone gets— somebody gets on the good side of it. It's like, can you take advantage? And, uh, it wasn't, you know, crazy. They got a bit hosed in the fact that when Thursday morning is going to be the hardest conditions, the event can't set it up crazy right off the bat. Because I always use Wingfoot as my example. I played the US Open at Wingfoot, and the scores for how hard that— that's the hardest golf course ever. And the first day, I don't remember, was winning 5 or 6 under, and everyone was complaining about it.

And I played in the morning on Thursday and then very, very late on Friday, and it was really soft Thursday, but by Friday afternoon, the golf course was purple. Like, it was as hard as it gets, and they had good weather, so they could progressively make it harder. What seemed to happen though was the mornings tended to be more windy than the afternoon. So you saw the leaders, or in this case, especially Wyndham, just playing in like, I guess, slightly less wind than everybody else. So it didn't get as hard. I will say, I lean— I would much rather be playing the US Open, but now being home as a fan the last couple years, I want them to do what you— I'm rooting for the course so hard. Like, I want I want just carnage. I want the balls to bounce, you know, to Narnia. So that kind of sucked not seeing that, but I get why. It just— I don't know, I think we've become spoiled with the US Open back in like the 2010s where it was like Mike Davis used to run the USGA would just fucking penalize people for being a professional golfer.

He was like, this is my chance, I couldn't make it myself, so fuck you guys, this is This is about to be the hardest week of your life. So I do, as someone who doesn't have to play, I really was sad. I was joking with the boys last year, I didn't get in the Open, and every morning I woke up at like 4-something to watch, and every morning it was as sunny as it was in Tahoe where I was playing my tournament. I was like, no, I want rain, I want the umbrellas to break. Like, I want to, I want to feel like I'm not jealous, um, that I'm, you know, that I'm not there. So that, that part sucked, but I do think that they kind of nailed the course. Uh, but again, as a fan, I would have loved to see be, you know, just carnage and all that. But I thought it played out really well. You could tell good shots got rewarded, bad shots got ejected. It was hard to pitch around the greens. Great golf shots around the greens went close. They, they— it was, it was good. It's just, um, you know, we can be greedy and want, you know, 7 over to win.

We wanted— yeah, we want something a little bit— we got like little taste of that too on Thursday.

Uh, I think it was that morning.

Yeah, Higgs hit that shot to like within 10 feet that then rolled 40 yards back into the middle of the fairway. And then Morikawa had a little adventure around the green today where he's just hitting shots that are rolling back to where he's at.

See, Harmon did it on one. Yeah, that was the first thing I saw. I was like, oh my God, this is gonna get spicy. I wish they would show the low view, like, camera more. Yeah, that Harry Higgs shot, I didn't even notice till today because where they showed it was like from the high cam, and it just looks like it spins. Obviously it rolls forever. When Wyndham was hitting his shot today for on 10, they lowered it. I'm like, I'm like, oh, now I see, like, that ball roll, it's up a mountain. Like, it was sick. So I wish they would show that more because it makes you also appreciate the good shots. Because, I mean, it's just like— I mean, I know you're, you're a Shinnecock, uh, yeah, you know, legend, uh, Big Cat. But, uh, as someone who hasn't been there, it was hard to picture why it was so hard until they got that camera low.

Yeah, I mean, I, I actually was confused at Brian Harmon because that's exactly where I would have just picked up and gone to the next hole. So he did— he, he was— had the wrong strategy there.

Yeah, write me down for a 6. I'll meet you on 2.

Yeah, and then what about on, on day— on, on the third day, on Saturday, Wyndham Clark's eagle? That shot he hit, can you put into perspective? I mean, I, I, I know golf a little bit, but to hit a wood like that and be able to land it to a spot where it's like, you know, 200-whatever-plus down, down the fairway, it looked insane. Was it as insane from someone who actually plays and hits shots like that? Was that an insane shot?

Yeah, there's, um, I hate when they say things like there's only like a handful of people who could hit that golf shot because I don't think that that's always necessarily true. But the way in which he did it— so Windham is one of the longest guys on tour, creates the most— so one of the most speed, like some of the most speed of anybody. And you need so much speed to hit a ball that high and curve it that much and hit it that far. So like just to be able to do that is like remarkable. And then to hit it online, it's like a whole other thing. And then to do it in the, in the moment when he, you know, I think it's so easy with a 4 or 5 shot lead or whatever he had at the time, 4 shots, to just get to the house and keep the 4. To, it's what Tiger was the best of all time at. But Tiger Woods would have just was able mentally to be like play against himself and he would turn a 4-shot lead into a 7-shot lead so fast because he's just not playing you.

He's playing himself. He, he just had that, and, and Wyndham did that. And then when you look back, you know, it's so easy to, to look at the tournament as, oh, it was the putt on 16 that won, but it's 72 holes. Like, him stretching that lead made today— it's hard to lose a 6-shot lead because of, like, uh, because it's, it's— or sorry, when you have a 6-shot lead, it's hard to lose just because you can make mistakes like he did today. But he built that so well, and I think that golf shot was just, you know, he kind of just like let his nuts hang and, and hit a shot that I just don't think a lot of guys have the speed for. And I— that was, you know, that's one of those you, you kind of keep down in your, in your, in your brain for a long time because the height that thing had was obscene. And those greens are like tabletop, so just to even hit the green was crazy, but he got it to land soft. I mean, that was something else.

Yeah, yeah. And then like the guys like Tom Kim and Burns coming from behind, it seemed like they were staying very much like in tune with what was going on on the leaderboard. I think one of the announcers even said, yeah, I was, I was telling Tom Kim exactly what happened on the last hole because he's trying to figure out where he stands. Is that something where you can almost be checking in too much on what the other guys are doing?

Yeah, I've been a big check-in guy because I would like to know. Um, I think I've talked to other players about this a lot. People have different opinions. I do think that it's usually the smartest to start on around the 10th hole on Sunday Um, because I don't know what you're supposed to do prior to that. Like, I'm, you know, of course we'd love to birdie the first 4 or 5 holes. You can't just like make that happen. But we, you know, with 9 holes ago, you want to know how, how aggressive, because like I think Tom was saying that because 17's pin is back left. It's not exactly an accessible location, but if you need a tweet to, you know, you know, get within, if you need to get to 3, basically it's like, okay, I'm gonna change my strategy and aim it at that flag. Which is, you know, on a Thursday you're not even looking at it. Every, you know, everybody but Sam basically did what you would do on a Thursday, which is just hit it short right and try to 2-putt. Um, I found it a bit interesting. I just think it's because they changed the green speeds a few times, but I thought that a lot of those golf balls on the, on the greens were just had no pace.

And I would have thought people would have got a bit more aggressive being whatever back. But looking at it as, you know, trying to, as a golfer brain was, I think they messed with the green speeds throughout the week with the wind and, you know, how they You had sent the text out that we sped them up or whatever, and I think it made people very cautious, and it's not a place that looked like that you could feel real comfy. But, uh, I get why they asked. I, I definitely think there's a fine line, but if you're the type of guy who wants to know, I would just want to get as much information as possible, uh, just so I know that I didn't look back like later in the— at night, you know, tonight as they're having dinner and being like, damn, I wish I would have known I needed a birdie. Or else I would have like, you know, maybe hit 8-iron at the pin on 17 instead of being like, you know, 30 feet will be fine, this is a hard hole. So I'm, I'm on that side of the aisle, but I'm sure there is a fine line of like obsessing over what everyone's doing and not.

But I think that everybody was probably doing, you know, the normal like kind of correct thing as far as strategy went.

How much— you, you mentioned green speeds. Can you explain it to us, how much the, the change in green speeds can affect you like day to day, and how drastic is it? Because we're playing— we play at courses the green speed is literally the same every day no matter what.

Like, maybe there's a little rain, slow.

And, and basically, for, for golfers like us, we just blame green speeds, uh, when we miss a putt, being like, oh, that's way faster than I thought. It's like, I don't even— yeah, I don't know what I'm looking at. So like, when you wake up, you have a report being like, here's what the green speeds are today, and you just— from that. And does it, does it mentally mess with you if it's like one day's slow, one day's— and then the next day's fast, or how adjust it?

Yeah, I, I would say I, we don't typically get a, I mean, I'm sure you could find it. I, I don't ever like look at a report as like how fast these greens are or whatever. But if, if the, you know, event texts us and is like, hey, we're gonna speed 'em up, or we gotta, a lot of times at the Open they'll text, be like, hey, we had to slow 'em down 'cause it's gonna blow 40 miles an hour or whatever. So you're like aware of it. And when you get to the practice green, you're grinding it. But the tricky part is, and the benefit we have, the reason I think the players always shoot so low on these like very difficult golf courses is if you rolled out to— PFT, you did it, you played in the Players Championship. Yeah, you roll out to the Players Championship, but you didn't get a practice round. You just roll out and you play the golf course, and it probably takes you a few holes to get used to like how firm the greens are, how slow or fast the greens are, um, even like how a ball like reacts out of the rough, out of the bunker, whatever.

When we're there, I mean, we get to spend Monday through Wednesday like over-preparing for the pace, and we hit 1,000 putts, and you just get so good. It's, it's, it's the Steph Curry thing of like, this rim's low. Like, it's because that felt good and it went— it didn't go in. It's, it's borderline that where there's certain putts I'll hit and right off the face— my old drill used to do is I keep my head down and I tell my caddy, you know, that went 3 feet past, or maybe a foot short, or that was good pace. And you look up and you see, and if you're like on it, that means you got good feel. And there's some putts I hit just on a regular tournament where I'll hit it, I'm like, all right, off the face, I know that was the correct speed. Hopefully it goes in or whatever. When they say that they're manipulating it, you just— one, it makes you a little gun-shy because you're just so— you, you— I guess we take for granted how lucky we have it at times that it's so fucking predictable. Whereas I go play my home course I grew up on, that's a— I mean, it's lovely, Vista Valencia, but it's a fucking dog track.

Like, it's not well, like, kept, and it's, you know, whatever. And you have balls that bounce up in the air on the green. You got some greens that are way faster than others. Like, there's just— it's not a— you know, we're spoiled. It's not it's not taken care of like a PGA Tour course. And it makes you just like kind of a little bit anxious when you have those, you know, even like a 20-footer. Uh, Scotty did it today on 9. They said every single person left that putt short from where he was, and that's crazy. 15 feet, like, we don't really mess up pace from that distance. But it's just, you could just tell because of that, that the, that, that we're like creatures of habit. We just get really used to what, you know, it, what its stroke feels like to go 15 feet. And I— that's where I thought that the guys today just— it's just felt like everybody was a bit shy for the most part. And I just think that there's a bit of that, um, it's difficult to kind of relieve yourself of that kind of unpredictability and angst.

Like, is this the one that's going to be the fast one? I don't want 6 feet coming back. And those are— that's bumpy Poa Annua greens. You don't want 3 feet ever. And I don't know, it's like Sam's putt on 17. Like, everyone did the same thing, uh, as far— I mean, Windham was the only guy I saw miss it left, uh, but he the only guy who seemed like he had pace to it. And, um, it's just, you can see the same guys miss the same putts the same way over and over and over again. And there's something to that, that like everyone's seeing and feeling the same. Must be like tension in that because it probably looked fast as shit and it just isn't. But you're, you're in your head being like, I don't want 3 feet, man. Like, I just don't. And it's so, that makes it tricky. Again, we're just, we get, we get a little, again, spoiled. And as far as when we prep, that's what just what the greens end up being for the week, and it clearly was a little bit different this week with the weather.

Are, are some guys getting too good at bunker shots? Because I feel like there, there was, uh, more than a few times this weekend where a ball would roll into the bunker off the green. It looked like a good shot, but whatever, you know, fucked up little undulation was there, it fed it into that bunker. And then it's like, oh well, they'd almost rather be in that bunker. That's a good place to be. I feel like bunkers aren't as much punishments as they used to be.

Uh, I agree that, I mean, they're like technically hazards and they're where we want to be at all times. Especially you go to a par 5, it's like you're just trying to get into a bunker because again, going back to predictable, every bunker is just like so well maintained now that it's like you just know what you're gonna do out of it. I, I— my complaint this week as a fan of carnage, I didn't think the fescue did anything. Bones is one of my like closest buddies. I go to his house for Thanksgiving. He's caddied for me once before, but we close, close. I love that man, so this is not a shot, but he two times today said how awful a lie was in the— hey, on 9 with Dub, and then again on 16 with Dub. And on 9, Windham almost made it. Yeah, 16, he hit it like 180 yards up the fairway. Yeah, I was like, you're teasing us. Like, I want— you're telling me this is gonna be hard, I'm excited for like the not top 10 play. Uh, not obviously for Windham, just for somebody. I just feel like everybody was just hitting it in there, and like, uh, 12, everyone's just whacking it up on the green.

So I miss that, but yeah, we need more, I don't know, penalty, I guess. The bunkers this week, I get that, you know, kept talking about the pebbles, but I'm with you, PFT. Every time somebody hit it in it, it just looked like it was like, yeah, of course, like that's easy. I don't know if they're trying to make it sound worse. Jack Nicklaus did it at his course for a while where his rakes had thicker, um, whatever they call it, teeth. And when you went in there, it would sit down. And again, as a player, it's annoying, but it's also like, man, you shouldn't be in the sand then, you know?

Like you can't stop.

But again, we're We're so used to sand's the best place we could possibly leave. You could spin it, you could hit it high. It's way better than long rough. But as I get older, and again, I mean, I can see in, you know, 10, 15 years when I quit and I just watch golf, you know, and text you guys about it, I'm gonna be the old guy being like, you know, it's a carryover, dude. Like, ye palm the basketball. Like, we gotta make this shit harder. We gotta start calling penalties.

Roll the ball back, make the teeth on the bunker rigs wider. I like that one. That's what we need to do.

Teeth.

Yeah, I love that.

Yeah, I got a golf etiquette question for you, Max. Um, when you're on the course, maybe it's an event, maybe it's just you and your buddies, is there any rule in terms of, uh, posting pictures when someone has bad nipple shot?

There wasn't until like a week, week and a half ago.

Okay, all right, so I— well, all right, so my grandfather now I should be penalized, but before that I shouldn't have been.

If you do it again. Okay.

That's fair.

But yeah, no, you're, you're good. I am it. I mean, you, I, I'm sure this already went around the internet, but the first thing I thought of was Andy Dwyer in The Office when he ran the marathon. And yeah, I mean, I don't think you could chafe in golf on the nips, but if you weren't, brother, I was, I, that would've been shocking.

Yeah. I mean, I, I know what you're saying. Now it's a rule. But also, golf is a sport where everyone— you sign your own scorecard, keep your own score. Like, you should be responsible for your own nipples.

No, no, you need to be self-aware. I mean, come on, we got to be self-aware. Um, but fuck, man, that was— that picture really ran through the group chats.

Yeah, yeah.

But also, congrats, I mean, you've won the fucking NBA championship.

Who cares?

There you go. Yeah, in the long term.

Um, yeah, uh, Max, did that change your opinion at all about titty fucking?

Those are pretty juicy.

Oh man. By the way, I, I need to, I need to, because I don't— you're not on Twitter anymore, right?

No, God no.

Um, there's a guy who's been tweeting at you and I believe me and PFT as well.

Oh, Konky, for like 2,000 days.

Yeah, he said, uh, 1,397 days. Are we—

should we, should we say like when we get 2,000 days.

Like, we— I think we got to make this happen.

Yeah, I, I will say I don't want to blow up his spot, but he hit a big mark at some point while I was still on there, and I DM'd him. I'm like, listen, man, like, I, I've got kids, like, I got a job, like, I can't just make this happen, but if this works out, I'll fly you and if you want a buddy out, and we could play some golf. And he said something back. He's really, like, seemed like a nice kid, but he's like, I, I just don't feel like this is far enough.

It's kind of become part of my day.

Because maybe when I hit X amount of followers or X amount of days, yeah, we'll do it. And I'm like, all right, cool. And then I've been off since, so I didn't know he was still doing it. Oh yeah, I do feel bad that now that's probably not going to happen. But I'm with you. I feel like we got to do something because that's crazy.

A long time.

1000. So this guy, Konky GBR, he's a Nebraska fan, has been tweeting at Max every single day for 1000.

I can't believe he's still doing this.

1397 days. Days saying— the tweet is just day 1,397 of tweeting Max Homer to play a round of golf with me. And he has done it every single day. And I think we were tagged in the original tweet because I see it almost every day. So shout out that guy. I think 2,000, and we'll come too. We'll all play.

2,000, we'll make it work.

Yeah, we'll come too. We'll, we'll get Konky. We'll pay for Konky to come to you, and we'll join him.

And that would be a blast. Come on out. That'd be so fun.

Yeah, 2 years from now.

2 years from now, maybe US Open weekend. Hopefully you'll be playing. Maybe the weekend after the US Open in, you know, 2028.

Let's make it, let's make it 1,776 days for America.

Okay.

Oh, I love that.

Yeah, so that's a little less than that. So that's like, that's about, it's a little more than a year that he's got to hit.

Okay.

Yeah, we can make that work.

He's gonna be sometime in the fall. Oh, that's football season.

If that somehow landed on Fourth of July. Could you imagine Jake Marsh's fucking head exploding with the whoa?

Oh, uh, Hank, do you have a question for Max about the tournament today?

Uh, you said you're best friends with Wyndham's caddie. I, I really enjoyed the, uh, after every single shot, the good process there.

Good process there. He's gonna get a lot of shit for that.

Yeah.

Are you gonna give him shit for that? Is that something like he's always done, or is like, that was that just like a thing this week? Because that, that I was wondering if it was ever not gonna happen, but after every single time, like, the mic picked it up, I was like, good process there, good process there, good process there.

It got— so yeah, before every shot, after every shot, you know, have a good process. I don't know, that must be something that Dub asked him for, or maybe the sports psych asked him for. Like, it has to be something like that.

Yeah.

Uh, but yeah, no, that would— that will get, uh, that'll be the next big thing. Next time we play golf, every time he hits a shot, I'm gonna sell it to him. Uh, I will say Dave is, uh, when I'm in California, he's got this sweet little Duffy boat and he'll pick me and my oldest son up all the time and we'll just roll around. If that thing is not a yacht this summer, the next time he picks me up, I'm going to be very annoyed.

Yes.

Yeah.

Can you, can you walk me through the step-off? Because Wyndham had a step-off. Oh, that's bad. The step-off was— it was, it was bad. He was in his own head. He stepped it off way late, and then he stepped right back up to it, missed the putt. Easy putt. Um, what's the process like? What's your process, Max, in terms of like when you reach the point where it's like, I gotta step this off?

I— every time you, you step off or somebody steps off, I always think, just from golfer brain, like, that was good. Because every time I don't, I am just like, why did I not back off? But I— the process in my head is is when I am playing like a team event, like a U.S., you know, Ryder Cup or Presidents Cup, I refuse to back off because it causes so much— you know, you heard the crowd, the crowd went nuts. Yeah, it was like he already missed it. So I will say, when he set up to it, who knows if this is why— this is truly just like me being a, uh, uh, you know, fan on my couch— but I thought he was aimed kind of fucked up, like from what I had seen. I don't know what he read it as, but I was glad for him that he backed off because I was like, I don't think that's a prayer to go in for.

Because we got to watch the putt, obviously, like 4 times.

Uh, so when he got back in, I was pretty excited, but I, I— that dealing with the groans is hard. I pride myself, or I'm proud of myself when I back off because it means that at some point I had a doubt. So I think typically when you'll get over a putt, and what I think would happen to him is he could probably got over the putt, and as he was over, he was probably telling himself, man, this feels like low or high. And he's like, no, it's probably— he's probably having like a full conversation in his head. And he finally— it's like, dude, start over. Like, we don't have to do this right now. So So again, I think it's always the right thing, but it— the way things were going with how the crowd was, that he was going to get, you know, some kind of grief or whatever you want to call it. I don't know, I mean, that's not grief, but he was going to hear it when he did it. But it's because you're having an inner monologue, and when you're playing your best golf and when you're most locked in on like a given shot, you just get over it.

You have an idea, you go through— like, going back to Dave and, you know, Hank's question— but like, your good process is, I get over it, I take a look, look down, you know, feel it, and go. There had to be something in his head where it's like, you know, ah, this feels high, gotta hit it soft. And it's like, that was not part of the quote-unquote good process. So it was good he backed off. Um, but that was, uh, you know, right when he— right when I saw it, you're like, oh God, he's gonna get fucking yelled at.

Yeah, yeah. I like that answer too. If you do it in a team event, then if your teammates are watching, they might think like, oh, what's going on with Max? Yeah, but if it's you doing it, you know that it sounds like every step-off is a good step-off.

I think so.

Well, that one wasn't because he missed.

True, that's a good point, but he could have missed either way. Yeah, the really rare step-off that you guys would never see, but it's probably did not happen on that hole on 17 US Open, but every once in a while it's a fart. Like, just every once in a while, I promise, because you don't want to swing, especially on a driver, you don't want to swing real hard and it like come out.

Yeah.

That's a once in a blue moon. But I, I, I, you know, you could kind of tell with the guy, especially with your play with your boys, because they'll step over, do the little leg shift. You're like, nah, he wasn't nervous.

He just had to fart, shake it out.

I've done that with a swing, like an unexpected fart as you're swinging. It throws everything off.

It's an impossible— yeah, it's impossible. The game's hard enough. We can't— we can't have to do both things.

Yeah.

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Zach.

Oh, what's going on, Max? How are we?

I am great now, Zach. How are you?

Doing well, man. Uh, from one confirmed not father to one confirmed father, I want to wish you Happy Father's Day.

Thank you.

Uh, I was curious, I thought there are quite a, quite a bit of AWS who do play golf, and with that, a few who probably get frustrated with their golf game. What's the most frustrating part about golf to you? Like, what's your one, one I kind of hate this about the sport, and how do you kind of work through that?

Oh, I mean, there's a thousand. Um, the most frustrating thing in golf— well, bogeying a par 5 makes you want to drive your head through the sharpest, firmest window possible.

Disagree. Because what's worse— no, that's a great— oh, 6. Okay, par 5. Well, sign me up.

All day. Net 6.

Net 6.

Handicap.

Bogeys are what I try to do now. I forgot. Sorry, PFT, bogey golf. I've been following your TikToks. Yeah, um, that tilts me. A 3-putt on a par 5 makes you just— you do so— I guess it's like any small miss, but you do so much good and then you can't shake it in from 4 feet and you're just like, I just went 394 yards to, you know, 12 feet in 2 shots and then it took me 3 shots from 12 feet to get it in the hole.

Uh, that's a lot. There's a million Things.

My, my caddy and I went to, uh, dinner in Canada last week, and there's this woman there at the bar. She's truly like the most like frustratingly positive. Like, I wish I could be her, but I can't. She's too— everything was the best and it's awesome. But you know, we like laugh about it, but she's like the sweetest person on planet Earth. I was like, you know what, John, I want to take her golfing and see if she still is this happy, because all it takes is one horrible shot. Uh, when it's funny is when I'm— wins week, 2-time US Open champion, he's probably on cloud nine. Next week at the Travelers, he'll hit a bad shot on Thursday and just be like, why am I doing this? Yeah, it's the worst game ever. So there's a, there's a, an endless list of answers to that, Zach. Um, but mostly to, to, to answer as easily as possible, it would be something like a, you know, a short miss or a 3-putt on a 5, something right after you do something great, like doing something bad, because it's just like, I just want to soak in some joy for like a moment?

Yeah, good question, Zach.

Great question, Zach.

It's incredibly reassuring that at your heights in golf, being a professional, you still have those same thoughts of like, this is the worst game ever sometimes. And that—

oh, ever.

Yeah, yeah, that's great.

Yeah, yeah.

Any— do you have a follow-up, Zach?

Uh, we can follow up. Yeah, uh, when it comes to, uh, rain golf, are you doing weather gear or are you just, you just ripping the polo?

How are you so ready for that? He's always got some Always, uh, yeah, I'm a rain gear. I hate the umbrella though, it's too, uh, cumbersome. So I'm a rain gear, uh, I'm from Southern California, man, I'm soft as it gets. But, uh, I would avoid the umbrella.

Uh, follow-up, follow-up, I did see a video probably about 11 years ago, you went to the Hollywood sign for the PGA. Was that your really your first time seeing the Hollywood sign, or was that more of like, uh, hey, we're at the Hollywood sign?

Uh, no, very first time. When you're from there, you have zero interest to go there, but they wanted to go there for the for the shots, I would imagine. I mean, I'm not, you know, I, I'm not a big— like, obviously I'm not from Chicago, but when I went to Chicago, I wanted to go see like the Chicago Tribune stuff, and like I didn't get to go, but like go up the big tower. Is it Sears Tower?

Whatever it is.

Wait, but I imagine if you live there, you probably aren't doing that. So that's kind of how the Hollywood—

I appreciate that.

I'm going to get in Zach's head real quick. You had seen the Hollywood sign though.

Oh, well, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seen it. I just never went up and like did the Runyon Canyon thing.

Yeah. And so when you have been to Chicago, you have seen the lake that's just like that huge body of water that's just right next to the city, right?

It's— yeah, yeah, because I was staying in a hotel, it was only like 3 turns from it, so of course we had to walk to it.

Yeah. So Zach, what Zach is talking about is he, he lived in Chicago for an entire year without putting his eyes on the lake.

For a second I thought we were on the same team.

That was debunked quick.

No, that would be like asking Max if has he ever seen the ocean living in Southern California.

But that's what Zach was getting to. He thought he, he thought he was gonna— we were gonna end this and he was gonna walk out being like, see, Max lived in— yeah, Hollywood for 30 years, he never saw the Hollywood sign. No, no, he had seen it. He should never been up there.

Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I definitely see. Yeah, now that I get it, Zach, I— yeah, I've seen it a thousand, like thousands of times.

It's And it's nowhere near the size of the lake.

Nowhere near.

I'd like to extend my follow-up, follow-up question.

You got greedy. We were there on the follow-up. It was a huge shot. Max, I got to tell you something. Canada, somebody really warmed my heart. They yelled Batgirl at me and it really just— Oh wow.

All right.

Nice.

Really good.

Very nice. Max, thank you so much for doing this. Let's not make this a tradition because we want you back in the majors.

We'll just play with Konky instead.

Yeah.

You know what?

You know what?

You're banned from appearing on part of my take. Okay.

The Monday after the US Open, unless you win the US Open. Fair enough.

Yeah, yeah. All right. Yeah, yeah. Then I'll definitely—

yeah, that's actually way better.

Yeah.

All right, Max, you're the best. You're the best, man. Thank you so much.

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Okay, we now welcome on a very, very special guest. He's one of our favorite guys in the whole world. He's the best tight end in the NFL. It is George Kittle from the San Francisco 49ers. TEU is starting. We're running this on the start date of TEU. So, uh, you guys have been like— I feel like every year just gets bigger and bigger. What's— what is the big thing this year with TEU? You had Taylor Swift last year.

Yeah.

Is it—

is it Mike Kadic and Dana Beers? Is that what the big reveal is this year?

No, Dana said he's gonna shotgun 10 beers on stage. Okay. In front of everybody. So that's our— that's our plug. That's how we sold it to all the guys, and that's how we sold it to all these lovely sponsors. For all you guys listening on your podcasts. Yeah, great. We got great sponsors everywhere.

Look at all the sponsors.

You're doing a great job with that. Yeah, whoever's in charge of that, well done.

Yeah, we love, we love Reese's. Reese's are fantastic. Oh wow, you guys are, you guys are on it. Good job, Greg. Way to produce. Way to produce.

We got the Reese's Lounge here. All right, wait, but how many, how many tight ends are coming this year? Because it is pretty insane what you and Greg and everyone has been been able to do in terms of, yeah, the growth of it.

This is actually the crazy thing is we have over 90 tight ends locked in, which is the most we've ever had. And what I wanna say is the craziest thing is we send out an invite usually mid-April when guys are going back to like OTAs because they're outta the offseason, they're at the football stadium, they're not as busy. And usually we get like 7 guys signed up by June, like literally April and May go by and we'll have 7 signups and I have to literally text 100 people.

People.

And then this year on the second day, we had over 30 guys signed up. And I don't know if that's because they're excited to go or it's because out of the 30 guys, all 30 of them were bringing their spouse, significant other, and that they're excited to potentially see Taylor Swift. I don't know what that was. That's my guess. But we're excited to have everybody. We have like, I think we have 92 guys signed up. It's going to be a great time. And you know, hey, the surprise one is we had Tony Gonzalez coming this year, which we're pretty excited about.

Out.

Hell yes. That's awesome. Yeah. Professor Emeritus or whatever you want to call him.

So you have, you got, he is pretty good.

That's a lot of tight ends that you have in one place. Does, do you guys do like name tags on the first day?

Ooh, we've done that in the past. We did that when we had 45 guys show up, but that's a lot of name tags. I think I'm just going to hand, I hopefully I have a Bud Light with everybody's name on it. We all shotgun one together with your name on it. That'd be a good way to do it, right?

That'd be good. Yeah. Just, that's a lot of dudes to remember. I do love that it's growing though. It's pretty remarkable what you guys have put together. Do you do, um, like at the end, are there, uh, like superlatives, like you give out awards to people?

Uh, last year was the first time we did an award, and it was for, um, Titan who took advantage of the entire Titan U. And that means you take advantage of both on the field, in the classroom, and at the bars. And, uh, Brady Russell won it, the, uh, Titan/Fullback from Seattle. He won it last year. Um, he took full advantage. We were very proud of him for his performances in the classroom and hand, uh, off the field.

That was the guy that he was a— he was a captain, wasn't he, in the Super Bowl?

I think so. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I mean, he was fantastic.

Dude with a mullet. I think they sent him out just to— just intimidate.

Yeah, yeah, he warms up with the shirt off.

It was great to see. Has anybody ever flunked out of TEU?

Oh, Travis tries, but he's just so good that it doesn't matter.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it does.

It just doesn't matter. He's just so talented.

How sick are of people asking you how the foot's doing? How, how sick are you of that?

It is what it is, you know. It's just, yeah, it's, it's whatever. I'm having a great time with it. Hey, you know, today I actually— so we're airing this on Monday. Today is a couple days ago. I got a run today, hit over 16 miles an hour. That was pretty sick.

Is that—

what is that fast? That's pretty— when you get on the treadmill and you turn it up to 16.

Okay, that's really fast.

No, I'm in, yeah, I'm in cleats on the field right now. So I'm 21 weeks out and I'm running over 16 miles an hour. So I'm having a great time. Single leg box jumps. We're cutting again. It's having— we're having some fun.

All right, so someday when I come back from all my injuries, maybe I'll run 16 miles an hour. So no, that's—

my days of 16 are way out of the picture at this point.

Yeah.

Are you having to like hold yourself back?

Um, a little bit. I'm a little bit ahead of the schedule, so I want— I'm trying to, you know, try new things, and my trainers were like, yeah, just simmer just a little bit. So it's basically what my surgeon told me is don't be a dumbass, and I'm trying my best to just not be a dumbass.

Yeah, yeah. Because I feel like you're— I mean, the way you're wired, you are one of the true football guys in the way that, like, you just love football, you love contact, you want to be— you want to be out there. So I would imagine it is like a little bit being like, hey, almost like a— when you, like, feed a Labrador and you have to give them the, the bowl with the spirals so they don't eat too past. That's what they have to do with you in your, in your, you know, rehab.

That's definitely me right now. Yeah. No, they are, they're, I am on a tight leash, but, um, I'm pulling as hard as I possibly can.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Hide his cleats when he's done. He's not, he can only work out once a day.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Um, how sick are you of being asked about the substation during your recovery?

Yeah.

That's actually been, it's been a minute.

What do you guys want to talk about? Well, so we have a substation here too, and we think that it's affecting us. Mm-hmm. Like, I'm, I'm fully bought in on the idea that that substation is the reason for like 6 of my, uh, calf pulls, my hamstring tear. I'm blaming it for everything.

Kidney stones.

Yeah, kidney stones, you name it. My grad— my, my, uh, early onset dementia. Yeah, everything. Like, I— everything is a substation's fault. So I know what you guys are going through, because if you, if you start to even think that it's a problem, then it could actually become a problem even if it's not.

You know, I think, um, when we were getting blasted with that question, I think, uh, Kyle Juszczyk actually answered it great, who's also coming to Titan U. We're making fullbacks again.

I love that.

Very cool. Yep. But he said, as professional athletes, you're looking for anything that'll make you 1% better, right? Ice tubs, red light, stem cells, whatever it is makes you 1% better. Well, like, what if something makes you 1% worse? So we, you know, that was our biggest question. And, you know, kudos to the Niners. The Niners, the NFL sent out a couple scientists, whoever is, has a doctorate in that, I guess, or a degree in whatever substation power plant stuff is. And they said it's at a safe, normal amount. That will not affect us. So hopefully that helps. But I will say, if no matter what happens, if anybody gets hurt, that's going to be the first thing that people talk about.

Yeah.

Yeah. And how divorced were these scientists that they sent out there? Because we talked to the guy that—

it wasn't that guy.

Okay. It wasn't that guy.

Yeah, that guy was something.

That might be the most divorced guy that we've ever interviewed.

Yeah.

In fact, I know—

those are great cats.

Yeah, we did 10 minutes about his divorce and In-N-Out Burgers. Yeah.

Is worse things to talk about, I guess.

Yeah. Uh, has it dawned on you that you're entering your 10th year in the NFL? That's pretty fucking awesome, dude.

It's pretty crazy just thinking back on it. My second year in the league, you guys almost big-timed me, and now we're in year 10 and I've only been on the show— I don't know what— how many times I've been on the show? 10 times probably.

We would probably have you on whenever you wanted to come on the show. Yeah, if we're being honest. But we're, we're too— we won't reach out to you during football season too much. You're a busy man.

We do feel bad during football season.

Don't. I'll come on your show whenever you guys want me. It could be Wednesday in the middle of meetings, I'll be there.

Okay, that was a mistake. But yeah, 10 years Dude, like, it's crazy when you— can you go back to George Kittle coming out of Iowa, getting drafted to the 49ers? In your head, obviously you have a lot of optimism and you have belief in yourself, but was there a part of you that was like, hey, look, if I can just make it a year, like, that would be pretty— because, you know, you weren't a first-round pick. Was there a part of you that was like, I'm just trying to make it day by day? And I— like, if someone told you 10 years at that moment, you'd be like, get the fuck out of here, Man, 100%, I'd be, get the fuck out of here.

Um, I mean, Larry, when I got drafted, I was just like, all right, what do I have to do to just make it through OTAs and not get cut? Then we got to training camp. I was like, hey, how do I make the team in training camp? If I can make it as a practice squad player, if I can make it as the 3rd overall guy. And they traded our guy my rookie season, and I was starting week 1. So like, I had no— I, I was not imagining that. I thought I was gonna have an easy coast, you know, just try to figure it out as I went. And absolutely not. No, I was thrown in the fire immediately, and I'm really glad I did because it was very beneficial to me and my career.

Yeah. If you were to go back and talk to, uh, talk to Lil Greg, maybe the day that he got drafted, would you give him any advice?

No, just do it. Yeah, do, do what you did. Um, the best thing I did as a rookie that, um, I learned at the University of Iowa was like, shut up and no one should know who you are based on how much you talk. Like no one should be like, oh, that's a funny guy. They should just say, oh yeah, that guy plays well. That guy plays hard. Like you don't want to be as a rookie, you don't want to be known as the funny guy. You don't want to be known as, oh, he drives a sick car. Like you want to be known only for ball. Yeah. And my, it's funny, like we have a running backs coach. His name's Bobby Turner. I think he's coached for 75 years in the NFL. He's the, he's the man. Hand. But he literally told me, he always tells me, he says the same, he says the same 10 stories all the time, which is great. But he was like, you know what? He was like, you know, back your rookie season, man. I never heard you say a word. And then, hey, your second year, now I just can't hear you shut up ever, man.

And I was like, yep, that's me.

Yeah.

So I took a year, learned as much as I could, and then kind of let my personality out once I kind of had it figured out. Yeah.

Yeah. That's really good advice to follow.

When you got drafted, did the 49ers say to you like, hey, we think you can be be like an incredible threat catching the ball, or was it something— because, you know, in Iowa, you guys, you guys just build tight ends, but it's not like they catch the ball a ton. You know, you had 48 catches in your, in your college career, the entire career. So was there a moment— did they tell you, hey, this is what we think you can become, or was there a moment where Kyle or, uh, you know, John Lynch or someone was like, oh Fuck, you can catch, like you're, you're this explosive and awesome catching the ball too. Like we know you're a beast blocking, but you can do it all.

You know, it, it really started my rookie OTAs. We had rookie minicamp and we had 2 practices. And I think out of like the 15 balls that were thrown my way, I caught 14 of them. And they were like choice routes where you get to dice somebody up. They're like fun routes. And I caught everything and we went right into OTAs and I would just have like super explosive days where like, you know, you know, like we'd have a keeper where I fall out the backside and have like a 60-yard touch touchdown. I, they had me running fades on like the 5th day because I was routing people up and I was just like, oh, this is fun. Like I'm just having a good time. And then week 1, I'm running choice routes on 3rd down. Never run a choice route my entire life.

Yeah.

That's crazy.

I, I was a big basic and corner guy at Iowa and now I'm running choice routes, win routes, whatever you can do. Like, hey, we need you to win on 3rd down. I'm just like, all right, sounds great. I'll try my best.

I got you. And then it worked.

Yeah.

I mean, it worked out. It was pretty clear. It did real fast that you were going to be, uh, you were gonna be like a different player than you were in college. Yeah, it's, it's been really, really fun to watch you as the years have gone on. I'm curious, like, you're bouncing back from an injury now, um, so your focus is on like getting that part of your game better, but are you adding any new wrinkles? Like, how are you growing as a player besides just making sure that the, the heel is okay?

Right now I'm basically restarting at square one. Like, I am basically reteaching myself how to run block, pass go get out of a stance. Like, I'm literally just starting to square one that I possibly can because what I know is I have the rest of June, I have all of July, and then I have 4 weeks in August to get into football shape. So like, I'm just like, right now I'm stage 1, just reteaching myself how to play football and be explosive again. And that's what we're getting to.

I, I feel like the, the 49ers are, are a real team to watch this year because last year pretty much everything that could have gone wrong did go wrong for you guys, and you still won a playoff game, which is crazy. It's a testament to like the culture that you have there and the guys you got in the locker room and your coaching staff and everybody, that in the season from hell you still accomplished what most teams dream of at the start of every year. Um, and I feel like bouncing back— especially, that must have sucked watching the Super Bowl and seeing what happened in your stadium. I feel like that might light a fire to an extent.

You know, I'm not really— this is what people are asking like, do you guys need to clear out your locker room and build a whole new locker room? I was like, well, you could look at it that way. Or the last team to play at our stadium won a Super Bowl. So that kind of seems like good juju in my opinion.

Good vibes.

Yeah. I didn't think about the locker room. I'm just saying like, just from like watching them on the field, it must be like that. I mean, you know, a little bit extra hard.

I mean, it is what it is. It's a Super Bowl at a stadium. It didn't really bother me. I know it bothered 49ers fans, but like at the end of the day is we get another shot at it next year and we get to play at Seattle. They get to come to us again. And we get to hit people in the face. So I'm just going to do my best, uh, win all those games.

I like to hit people in the face. Is Sam Darnold coming to TEU?

No, he's going to Italy.

Isn't that crazy that like— and I'm sure that if he was around he would go, but when we, when we went to Tight End U, uh, a few years ago, Sam was there. He was— it was kind of at a crossroads for his career. He was, he was there throwing passes to guys, helping out at TEU, and He's Super Bowl champ. It's nuts. Like, did you, did you, cause you're friends with him. Like, I know you guys are rivals, but you're friends with him. Did you, did you still believe somewhere in him like that was going to happen?

I mean, the one year I got to play with Sam, just watching him, I was like, goodness gracious, this guy's a good quarterback. Like his arm strength, his decision-making, like I knew he was a, he was a starting quarterback in the NFL. And then you put him in Seattle with elite receivers, a really good offense. Offense and one of the best defenses possible. I mean, what are they, a top 2 defense? Like, that's a, that's a pretty quarterback friendly. So basically all he had to do was be himself and they win and they kick the shit out of everybody. So I mean, like, I definitely believed in Sam, especially because we're ginger brothers.

Yeah. Yeah. Who, who, who's throwing passes this, this week in Nashville?

I finally convinced Brock Purdy to show up and he lives 10 minutes away from me. So that's a plus. Okay. We got Brock Purdy, we got Mac Jones. So he's gonna be a fun time.

Make sure you have a lot of bananas ready.

A lot of bananas for Mac. And then we got Nick Mullen, CJ Beathard, and Brandon Allen. So 3 of the boys.

Good.

4 of the boys and Brock Purdy.

That's a good group.

Who's also a boy.

Yeah.

It'll be a fun time. I invited Dak. He is unavailable. I invited Josh Allen's a maybe, you know, he is a new dad, but I told him that we're golfing at Troubadour the following week. It's part of the group. And he goes, oh, Oh, I could fly in for that. So you never know with Josh.

Yeah, yeah, that sounds like— yeah, it sounds like Josh. Take advantage of that trip. And then what about on the defensive side? Have you guys thought about bringing in like some linebackers to be like, you know, just boost some egos? Like, we're gonna run some dummy routes again.

No chance.

They want to do it?

No chance. No, no. You know, I'll say the only, the only new position this year, we have Juices coming in to coach fullbacks because so many teams now are playing, you know, 12 personnel, 2 tight ends, and they're using that tight— the second tight end is a fullback times. So he's going to come teach some of that stuff, which I'm excited about. We got my old tight ends coach, John Embry. He's coming in because he's taking the year off, so he can actually come hang out. He's been a coach who— he coached me, Tony Gonzalez. He's a pretty good coach. And then we had Tony G up there. It's— I mean, we have a, we have a pretty good group this year that I'm excited to learn from.

Yeah. What do you know about any of the rookie tight ends?

Oh, you got to give me some. I'm terrible at rookies besides the giant Oregon guy that went to the Jets.

Yeah, I was going to ask about Sadiq. Sadiq, if you, uh, had an opportunity to like hang out with him before?

I've not met him. He's a— I mean, he looks like a stud, so hopefully, um, hopefully they just make it easy on him. Because the hardest thing about being a rookie is just like trying to keep your head above water. And if your offense is friendly towards you and they take care of him, he'll develop very quickly. Uh, just don't, don't do too much and make his head swim.

Yeah, yeah, smart.

Um, so he's a freak, so like just give him— like put him in advantageous positions and let the dude ball out.

Yep. Is Colson Loveland going?

He is. He, he texted me a couple weeks ago. He was like, hey, I missed it, and I figured something out. I can make it work. So Colson will be there. I'm excited about it.

I love that.

Yeah. And if you did want to get just like some tackling dummy out there to work, like, you know, as a scout team, I'm sure that Will Compton doesn't have anything else going on.

Will and Taylor are actually— so we have an open stadium this year, which I'm excited about. Like, it's free tickets. You just have to go buy your ticket even though it's free.

Yeah.

And Will and Taylor are walking out around with microphones interviewing people in the stands the entire time that we're at Titan U. It'll be hilarious. Okay, but I was gonna say we could have Dana out there. He can try to cover some guys.

Yeah, Dana would actually be— yeah, 100%.

You're gonna have to sign a waiver. He's gonna sign a waiver though.

Uh, he— I don't think he knows how, right?

He doesn't know how to sue or spell. Yeah, like he wouldn't know how to sue, so you're good.

All right, sounds good. We have this on recording. He doesn't know how to sue. He won't sue. We're good.

You're right. Yeah, physically does not understand.

Just make you, Dana.

Yeah, make him take his shirt off. He'll be fine. Fine. You got this.

That'd be amazing. Hey, this is funny. I'll give you this one. I've been tagged in this for like the last year and a half. I don't know if you guys have seen this, but some guy is accusing me of bullying. Who was your guys' old like rookie from like 2020, 2021? He was like helping out with PMT football guy. Really young guy.

Philly football.

Philly football.

Yeah.

Philly football. And like me and Greg were on and we're like, hey, take your shirt off. And I'm getting accused of bullying for making someone take their shirt off. This one guy just keeps tweeting at me.

Well, that's very bizarre.

That's weird. It might— that might be Billy actually under a burner.

If I had to get—

oh, now I— if I remember, you guys were like having a who can bench more contest.

That's what it was.

So I think Billy might have been trying to bully you, and then you re-bullied Billy.

Yeah.

And you're like, let's see the pecs, Billy. So I would— I will agree that you did not start the bullying.

No. Well, he— I would just say, being like, that's just— that's a football culture thing. Like, you, you just say name, school, signing bonus, take your off. Yeah, it's easy going. It's just kind of a rookie initiation thing.

Let's see what we got. Are you guys doing like a rookie talent show or anything like that?

We, we do every single year. I will say this past year was by far the best rookie show that I've seen. Our rookies definitely put out this past year, and I'm— I like our rookie class a lot. We have a lot of like 24, 25-year-olds, which is insane, but I think they're mature enough to handle the rookie show.

Who, who has the best performance in the history of the rookie show?

We had a D tackle last year, CJ West. He, I think it was CJ West. He redid Nick Bosa getting pulled over by the cops.

I love that.

Like he, he went out with like a fake car door on and he hired a police officer to come in and they went through the entire video that Nick did. That was, that was pretty funny. I thoroughly enjoyed that. He had the whole room laughing. John Lynch loved it.

I got, I want to play a game called let's make some headlines. So I got 2 questions for you that maybe will get picked up or aggregated.

Interrogated.

Uh, you guys have to play in Australia this year.

We do.

How much do you hate playing in international games?

Well, my only international game is Mexico City, and that was one of my favorite games of my career, um, because it was 99.9% Niners fans and we were the road team. So I'll take that any day of the week. Um, going to Australia, um, I look at it one— I look at it two ways. If you're just like focusing on the football aspect of it, um, flying 15 hours to go somewhere else and be in a completely different time zone to play football doesn't really make a lot sense, you know, for the health of players. But the fun part of playing, like, once in a lifetime opportunity to play in Melbourne and play in front of a— what's like 110,000 people on a sick stadium in Australia, it's going to be pretty sick. So I'm kind of more on that, uh, you know, I'm looking at that way. I'm just gonna have a great time doing it. The fans are excited. It's going to be a good time.

Yeah.

Um, and I think we're going out like a week early too, so like we'll get adjusted.

Yeah.

But the player safety thing is real. Like, when you, when you get on—

definitely is—

soccer fields and, and fields that are not used to you guys. Like, that field in Brazil a couple years ago felt like it was the slipperiest field in the world.

Like, that was crazy to watch.

That shit is— that, that's where I get a little upset because it's like, you know, they preach player safety and it's like, you're just not doing the things— like, obviously I know how it works, but it's like— and now you see World Cup is playing on grass. Like, put grass everywhere.

Put me on a soapbox, man. I mean, if you can put grass in MetLife and then SoFi, I think you could do that year round if you really gave give a shit.

Yeah.

I mean, like, that's my opinion. Like the players, I think if you, if you polled every single player, I would say probably 90% would hit, they, they prefer grass field. And I'd say 10% would say they don't care, but 90% of guys, they prefer to play on grass. And so it's just like, well, you just show that you can do it. So then why don't we do it? Because that's what the players want to do.

Yeah.

It's a simple math of like the, the NFL is billions and billions of dollars, the most popular sport we have, the thing you'd want to protect more than anything is the health of your players. Because when good players are playing, the ratings are higher. When you lose quarterbacks and you have a Monday Night Football game with like a, a backup and a third string, like, it's just simple math. It's like, do the most you can do to help the players. So we're with you on this one.

Well, like, at the end of the day, like, the— what I learned as a rookie is like, your body is your business. And the most money you'll make in your entire lifetime, hopefully, is what you make on a football field. And so like, that's how we had to treat— we had to be like safe with our bodies and we want to take care of our bodies. And we're also the NFL's best investment because when, like you said, when like Patrick Mahomes is playing, Josh Allen is playing, Caleb Williams is playing, like that's great for ratings, that's great for football. And then when they're not playing, it's just kind of like, oh, what, who's on Thursday Night Football this week? Shit, that's what I have to watch on Thursday Night Football. So like, why not just spend a couple extra million dollars, which you— we, we know they all have have to just grasp all the fields. Yeah, it doesn't seem that difficult.

Yeah. Um, all right, my other headline is, uh, with, with TEU and knowing like your dad was a coach, uh, do you think you're going to be in coaching when you someday retire?

I cannot wait to make a hard-nosed football team in high school in Nashville, Tennessee.

I love it.

I, I cannot wait just to be up there and just instill grit, effort, and hard work into these kids. And we're just— hey, we're gonna— we're not gonna run the wing T, but we're gonna run 2 and 3 tight end sets.

Yeah.

And we're gonna run outside zone and gap scheme down these kids' throats. And I can't wait. Pause.

But it'll be good.

Yeah. Can you— can you tell if a guy loves football just by, like, at DU, right, you guys aren't putting on pads, but you— you get your hands on a guy, you know, you block it up a little. Maybe not this year with you with your Achilles, but in years past, can you tell, like, if a rookie, like, loves football and, like, loves contact by just getting your on them?

I try my best to not judge anybody until shoulder pads are on because like some guys look really bad without— like for example, Charlie Warner doesn't look— I mean like he looks great in shorts, I'll say that, but when he puts pads on, he in my opinion is one of the best run-blocking tight ends in the NFL. Like that guy moves mountains. He's fantastic. And so I try not to judge guys until then, but you can get a feel of guys based on like their attentiveness business, the questions they ask, and like how dialed they are in when we are doing drills, when we are doing classroom work. Because some guys like you, they go above and beyond. Like we had, there's been a couple like young guys in years past who like on the side, like we were in between meetings and like they come up to whether it's me, Travis, or Greg, and they ask us like multiple questions on what we just taught. I'm like, that makes a ton of sense. Thomas Fadone, he's a Giants guy. He played at Nebraska. He, every group that I was in, he followed me around.

He asked me 20 questions throughout the entire time. And I, I love that. Like, why would you not ask someone who's done it for 10 years advice?

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

It's fair. I got a stupid question for a headline grab, dumb headline opportunity here.

Yes.

How good do you think Wimby could be as a tight end in goal line packages?

Hmm.

If he was only running a fade.

Yeah.

Maybe.

I think maybe. I think I think part of me thinks he would get the hell jammed out of him at the line of scrimmage though.

Yeah, you're probably right. He is, he's skin and bones.

He's got no base.

Not a lot of base. And also if he tried to run like a crossing route across the middle, I think his, he's getting taken out pretty quickly. Yeah. Like if you're, if you're over 6'6", you're having a tough time on a football field. Why is that? Unless you're playing like, unless you're playing O-line, D-line. Well, like if you're a receiver or a tight end and you're over 6'6", 6, you're— that, that like your ankle to like hip, there's a huge target for safeties to just run through, right?

And you have the green light to run through them now as safeties. You can't go high, so everyone—

someone, someone say that is more dangerous. I think I would— I'd rather get hit up high than in my knees. That shit sucks.

Yeah, and there's not a lot that you can do about it if you're going across the middle. You can't like protect yourself as you're catching the ball, and when you plant— no, and that's the thing is like grass, some would say like is safer for those instances where the cleat plants a little bit, gives a little more forgiveness as you get hit. Maybe not as a tight end for Wimby, but maybe, um, maybe just as like a field goal blocker.

He'd be a great field goal rusher. I mean, if he put on like £40, he'd probably be a solid right tackle.

Yeah, that would be fun. He—

I don't know that he's got—

yeah, I don't know that he's got the, the killer mentality to be a—

I mean, if he just, if he just did like the Trent Williams ninja stuff where he just swats and swipes people's faces out of the way, yeah, I think he could be He could, he could handle it. Like LeBron would be a hell of a left tackle. Yeah, he'd be an— he'd be a really good left tackle.

I like that.

Yeah.

Um, all right, so TEU is going on, uh, this week as we're running it. Uh, yep. George, you're the absolute best. We love having you on. We got one last question for you. Rohback question. Rohback.com, promo code TAKE, 20% off your first purchase. Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts.

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Yeah, yeah, um, rowback.com, promo code TAKES. All right, uh, I don't know if you've met Zach. You might not have met Zach. Try not to bully Zach. Yeah, go ahead, Zach.

Is Zach a rookie?

Zach is, uh, he just finished his rookie year.

Oh, okay, so yeah, he's not a rookie. Yeah, what's up, man?

What's going on, man? Uh, thank you for your time today. It's good to see you. Nice to virtually meet you, not physically meet you, but I was curious. I did see you at, uh, WrestleMania here recently, and I was wondering, uh, if you were going to go with an alter ego, kind of a ring name, but it had to be a complete alter ego and couldn't involve your government name, what would you want to go by in the ring?

See, I've been asked that question a lot, and I don't, I don't want to answer it because if that day ever comes, I don't want to be stuck to the name. So I'm pretty, I'm pretty open to it. I would love to make like a random, like, indie league with a lucha mask Pentagon though. Yeah, some, some type of lucha name I think would be really fun. And I'll just follow Pentagon around. Penta Jr., I'll follow him everywhere and I'll just be his protégé.

You in a luchador mask, that's a scary sight.

I, I have over 10 lucha masks from Penta and they're all over my house. Like, we have them on little like mannequin heads and they're just throughout my house. I'm obsessed. He sends me like— he has custom Niners ones, you're the Joker one, he has a Venom 1. They're all over. My wife gets scared of them.

It's a sick way to decorate.

It did. See, thank you. That's how I explained it to her. He's a smart guy.

I like him. He is.

Yeah.

Is it Hank?

Hank, Hank, if you listen once in a while, you might learn a thing or two from him.

Oh, that's true. I love that. I love that.

Zach is past Hank in terms of star power.

Stay grounded.

That's, that's fair. Yeah. Like, one thing, I mean, I tell young guys and I tell older players is young guys, be a sponge. Like, learn from everybody. Body, whether it's good or bad, and you can filter it out yourself. And old guys, guys who've been there, learn a thing or two from the young guys. That's the way to do it. So like, just, hey, hey, keep your ears open, man.

Good producing, Hank.

Oh, that's a shame.

I was excited to hear Substation.

The Substation.

This is gonna be the Substation. Damn, when he comes back, it's gonna be Damn. Oh, all right, finish, finish what you're gonna say.

Sorry, we already stopped the interview.

Hank's talking shit.

Just because Boston and one of this year for the first time in your life, you can be a little humble.

Finish the sponge thing, that was good.

I feel like also the Celtics lost to the Sixers.

I also— where'd your locker room go, bro?

And Liv's shutting down.

Oh, that's all right, we'll figure it out anyways.

Hey, we'll, we'll edit it in post.

Yeah. Anyways, so sponges. I tell the young guys, be a sponge. You wanna absorb information from all the older guys, whether it's good or bad. Like you can see how somebody does it the right way and you can see how somebody does it the wrong way and you can filter it out. Hey, is this, is this how I wanna do it? And then for older guys, also be a sponge because sometimes young guys teach you a thing or two.

Mm-hmm.

Not all the time. Most, most of the time they're not the smartest, but some of them have figured it out. And it's like, I always, that's why when I'm in a hot tub next to the younger guys, if I'm in the field, I Like, I don't bring my phone to a lot of places because I'm just like, I just want to talk to you guys to see if I learn anything or to see if I actually like you. So just be a sponge all the time.

Yeah, me and Zach will hot tub, hot tub it up.

It seems more— Hank seems more like a brick is what he seems like today.

That's fair. Yeah, brick shit house.

Have you seen him play basketball?

Yes. Uh, George, you're the best. We love you and, uh, have fun at TU, man.

Um, thank you. I thought PFT was gonna ask me if he was gonna steal Brandon Aiyuk.

Okay, so the question I was gonna say, the question I was gonna I've been on 10 times.

You're scared to ask me a question? Like, come on.

I, I know that like it's a sensitive thing because like you, you like the guy.

I'm gonna let you go. I'm gonna let you guys talk while you do this.

You like the guy in the whole rehabbing away from the team. That can be tough on everybody, so I get that. Um, how, how good is he still? Like the last time you saw him play, like how, how excited should I be to probably have him on the Commanders?

Um, the last time I saw Yuke was call it week 6, 7, or 8. I don't really you know, but, um, I used to make it a habit of mine to go out early in the morning before meetings to watch him train because he'd always be out there early. And I watched him run over 22 miles an hour and stop on a dime. So he's still got it. Um, or at least, you know, that was a year— I mean, 8 months ago, so I don't really know. But, um, yeah, you guys have fun with that, I guess.

Yeah, thank you. I'm gonna have a lot of fun with that. Perfectly put.

Yeah, still got it. Have fun with that, I guess.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You, you have fun with all that comes with it.

Yeah. I mean, he seems like he's very active on social media, which, you know, that's a great way to connect with fans and brands and sponsors. Yeah. So it seems like this— once he gets to us, then he'll finally be happy and every bad thing is going to go away.

Yeah, you're right. I wouldn't be happy either after a team paid me $130 million.

I know that can be— well, the taxes in California, he's probably like, oh, oh, this sucks. I got so much taxes.

Yeah.

More money, more problems.

Right?

Yes. So yeah, we'll take him. He'll make less money and he'll be happier, and then he'll stop posting weird stuff on social media.

That honestly sounds like a game plan.

Okay.

Yeah.

Okay, good. Then we're all in agreement. It sounds like a win-win for everyone.

Yeah.

Oh, in your guys's opinion though, I'm not going to answer this because it's my team, obviously. When, when do you think the Niners move on?

I feel like they, um, have been hoping that the phone rings, and I don't think that the phone's been ringing.

Yeah, so they don't have to.

They don't have to if they don't want to. Oh, unless, unless they just get sick of answering questions about him.

Mhm.

But eventually someone—

do you really care?

Do you really care to answer questions?

And eventually someone might get desperate and then the price goes up.

So there's a big game of chicken then that we're playing.

That's kind of how I see it.

Yeah, I will try to ask as many annoying questions as I possibly can to John Lynch so he gets sick of answering my questions. I'm gonna— I'll be doing my part.

I'm doing my part.

He seems like a great player. That's my official comment, seems like a great player.

Yeah, yeah, he's, he's an alien for sure.

All right, George, you're the best. We love you. Uh, hopefully see you soon and have fun at TEU, man.

Yes.

Um, I love you both. Um, I love, I love 4 of the 5 guys in that building right now. Hank needs to learn a thing or two.

Yeah.

Um, stay hungry.

You know what Hank needs? He needs someone to like to hit him really hard. You remember like in Tropic Thunder and he goes, hey, hit that guy really hard in the face?

Yeah, yeah, he does.

Dana, where's Dana Beers? Dana Beers isn't in there. No, dang it.

Max, he needs a hit.

Yeah, Max, hit him in the face.

I can do that.

I can definitely do that, Max. I'll Venmo you $500 right now to hit Hank in the face really hard.

Really hit him in the studio.

Yeah.

Oh shit, he slapped him! All right, get him the Venmo, $500. That was great.

That was a decent hit. The fart was a good move because it pissed me off.

Yeah, he asked for it. Yeah, that was a decent—

that was for George, that wasn't for you.

That was a decent hit.

Bad guy. That was actually great. Big Cat's Send me his— send me his vendor.

All right, okay, well, all right, see you, George.

Love you. Later, George.

See you guys, have a good one.

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Okay, Mount Rushmore time. We ready? We're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna ease in with one that, uh, maybe won't get it so controversial, but it is, uh, deli meats. Mount Rushmore deli meats. Please send all Mount Rushmore ideas tweet him at Zach. He is keeping the full list this year, so tweet all of them at Zach or Instagram DMs any Mount Rushmores you want to see. Uh, I think we're also getting to the point in the history of the show that we might have to just do some repeats with a little bit of like— we can maybe do just like a— not a— not word-for-word repeats, but maybe with a twist.

Yeah, how many Mount Rushmores have we done? Absolutely. It's, it's got to be be a ton because it's 10 years of it.

So when you say— when you tweet us your Mount Rushmore ideas, we most of the time we've done them. But I think we're getting to the point where we could maybe start doing again, not like word for word repeats, but similar, similar ones because we have half this, you know, half the entire booth wasn't here 5 years ago.

OK, so to remind everyone of the teams, it's going to be— it's Big Cat and the Booth Boys. It's Hank and Zach, and then it's just me. Now, I'm curious to know about Hank and Zach and your guys' prep for this. What was your method? Because I saw everyone else was kind of like they were talking to each other, getting ready. You guys seem to be kind of separate for your prep. Is that— is that fair?

Well, they got ready last minute. We— me and Zach texted and then we met, got on the same page.

Okay.

And we have a plan and a strategy.

I also think it would be fun fun, PFT, if— and you don't have to do this— but if we had some point in, let's call it July, maybe the end of July, there is a trade window where you could pick up one of the people from the 3-man team, just to— and you don't have to.

Sounds like you already don't want them.

No, I'm saying just to add the element of, wow, like craziness. You could easily just say no, but you could hang it over our heads.

I love my team, okay? I love my team.

Sounds like you don't love your team, Big Cat.

I got—

I got—

shut the fuck up, Hank.

I got a fucking idiot.

Great locker room chemistry, trying to make it interesting that we like the, the just the idea. We've never done one versus two versus three.

Sometimes a trade deadline thing, you can— your idea can end up ruining the— no, it wasn't team chemistry.

It was not my idea. It was someone else's idea. Hank first, the world. That was definitely not my idea. Don't gaslight me. It was not. Whose idea was it?

That was me.

Thank you. Take it back.

You brought it up on the show.

No, he brought it up on the show.

No, he brought it up and then you brought it up as an official idea.

Well, no, no, I think Memes brought it up off the show. Yeah, off the show. Big Cat loved the possibility of it being Hank versus the world.

And you went, oh, like that. And I said, all right, forget it. And then we're like, all right, fine, we'll all have a chance. All right, forget it. Forget it.

Just trying to make— I'm just having fun. I like my team. I'm not right at this point. I want to see what my team's got.

Yeah.

And then we'll see what happens if we're going to be buyers or sellers.

I was trying to establish before so that halfway through the season where people like you change the rules, be like, hey, just throw it out, an arbitrary date. It's like he could just— he could pick up from you guys too.

I'm not saying no, and I'm also not saying no to trading away people that are on my team right now. So if like, you know, a Mount Rushmore trade deadline would be fun. Phone's always open.

Yeah.

Okay, make me an offer.

Uh, who's gonna go first?

It's like the solo guy.

All right, first, I already hate Hank.

Yeah.

Wait, what are you doing, Hank? We got to do the lotto machine here.

We'll do— I—

because the lotto machine— 1, 2, 3.

I have 1 through 3 here on a random number generator.

Okay.

So do you want to pick, PFT, a number between what, 1 through 3?

Yeah, I'll take 3.

Okay. Do you want to pick, Hank?

You pick.

No, let me do the number generator because Hank—

I have it right here. I'm just saying, Hank, I don't give a fuck.

Pick a number.

We haven't—

we haven't started my Rushmore season yet. We're already fighting.

Did you pick 3? Did you pick, uh, you pick 3? Zach, what do you want?

Let—

let's—

1, 2, 1 or 2?

Let me do it.

Let me— I gotta know.

I know, but someone else pick a number between Zach and Hank. Pick a number.

Pick a fucking number, somebody.

Jesus Christ. On this team, Hank. Hey.

Do you?

Thank you.

All right, we have one. Go ahead. Fine.

We all saw it.

We all saw it.

All right. What pick do we want?

Let's go.

Let's just go first.

Let's just go. Yeah, let's go third.

No, let's go first.

All right, fine.

We'll go rip it.

All right. Mount Rushmore, Jellybean.

Snake draft.

Snake draft.

So Big Cat goes first. Hank and Zach go second. I go third.

Yeah, correct.

1-1, and then we'll change it every, every, every episode.

Run the football.

All right.

Run the football.

Turkey.

Okay, good pick.

Yeah.

Did you have it, Hank?

We did have it.

You had turkey.

It's actually Türkiye.

Yeah. What it is, we will go with salami.

Is that your pick or Zach's pick?

My pick.

Oh, Zach.

Zach, it was my 1-1. It was Zach's 1-2.

Was your 1-1 Zach?

Turkey?

Yeah, I think turkey's a good pick.

It's a little dry, but—

Oh yeah, but it was your 1-1.

Okay, got it.

It's true though.

It is.

It's a— Turkey's run the football.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

If I— I've said before, I think if I could eat— if I had to only eat one thing for the rest of my life, it would probably be a turkey sandwich.

Okay.

PFT.

Solid choice. But you don't—

Yeah.

Turkey. Like salami. You can just eat salami.

Turkey. Turkey.

You can eat turkey.

I think you could do that with turkey too.

You can't. No one. No one just eats turkey.

Yeah.

What are you talking about?

Turkey. Turkey, cheese, whatever.

Okay. Okay. I'm going to run the football too. I'm going to go with ham. Okay.

That's a good run the football.

Taking ham.

Run the football.

First of all, then second My second pick would be probably my first pick if I'm just talking what I find to be delicious. Pastrami.

Good pick.

Love pastrami. Pastrami is such a quality deli sandwich choice. I love it.

Okay, Zach, we would like to take prosciutto.

Okay, great pick. Great pick, Zach. Good pick.

Memes.

Taking memes. Memes. Memes actually sent us a meme before this. The Vontae Mack no matter what meme, but it had this meat on it instead? Pepperoni. He kept on saying the prep was just— he kept on saying we have to get pepperoni. And we got pepperoni.

I like pepperoni on a sub.

Yeah.

It's not super versatile.

7. Yeah, it's not versatile, but it's over stuff.

You can put on anything. Max, I'm going to give you the ball on this one. This is where we get into the Italian meats.

You want me—

you think we take 5?

Yeah.

I mean, this is my—

this is my pick.

I think 7 is— I think 7 is the right one.

Right pick. Okay, then do it.

All right, this is another run the football pick. We're gonna go roast beef.

Mm-hmm.

Roast beef, kind of dry.

I don't like roast beef.

Okay, it's probably the dream from Hank. All right, it's probably the driest.

Well, you're probably bad.

I, I kind of see— okay, I know what's going on.

I actually like this. I want both of them.

No, I know.

No, I'm not talking about PFT. PFT is just doing a regular draft. I know what's going on over here. Hank now has the fan favorite on his side, so he feels immortal with Zach on his team. So he's getting a little—

he's getting a little—

you guys have a super team.

I said I don't like roast beef.

You turkey, you can't eat.

Zach said turkey was dry. I just— I don't like roast beef. I don't.

Okay, which—

how does that make me more—

how does that make me immortal?

How does that make me—

I think you're— I think you feel a little cocky with Zach on your side.

What does that even mean?

I said I don't like roast beef.

You mean you were—

because I said I don't want to be—

you're walking around with a little pep in your step.

Yeah, a little bit.

Your tail feathers up.

Exist.

Big time exist.

Did someone say prosciutto?

Yep.

Yep.

Did someone say mortadella?

Nope.

Nope. All right. We'll take that.

It's a great pick.

Good pick.

Thank you.

Not a bad pick. Not a bad pick. Not a bad pick. Kank. I'm going to go with chicken cutlet.

I'm not going to say yeah. No, I don't want to. I don't want to be invincible.

A deli meat. Was it deli meats?

You can't get a chicken cutlet at a deli.

No, deli meats was the Mount Rushmore.

That was—

I think that opens up a whole new draft. Everything. If that is allowed.

Okay.

All right.

I won't do it then.

But I understand And I'm willing to give you— I'm willing to give you that, give you that pick, but the rest of us can't switch to that sort of thing.

No, no, no, I'll pull it back, I'll pull it back.

It's deli meats. That's not a deli meat.

It's a meat that you can get at a deli, but that's not—

but there's so many we could go and, uh, yeah, all right, and we're just doing sandwiches.

Okay, this is— you go to the—

you go to the grocery store, you go over to the deli counter, you're getting this sliced meat, right?

Off slicer.

You're bringing the slicer out and like, this is your meat.

Okay, uh, then I'm, I'm going to go with gabagool.

Love it.

Okay, gabagool. Give me the gabagool. Okay, the best scene I think in the history of The Sopranos is when Tony announces to his kids with Carmelo that they're getting a divorce, and he's like packing up all the shit from the house, and he's somberly packing up the gabagool from the fridge into his bag, and that's all that he takes from his house when he leaves.

Yep.

Um, and then for the last one. How do you guys feel about tuna salad? Not a deli meat. All right, so I, I was asking how you felt.

That's more, that's more in line than, than chicken cutlet.

Okay, so for my last pick, I will do, uh, roasted chicken.

Okay.

Yeah, that, that place, you get that.

Yeah, you get lots of roasted chicken.

You can get that for sure.

Yep.

I love my team.

Our strategy was 2-2. So, Zach, I'll give this one to you.

We would like to take Buffalo chicken.

Great pick. Yep. On our list.

Great.

We had it on our list.

Great pick.

We had it on our list. 11 didn't get picked, right?

Nope.

OK, good one.

Yeah.

Soppressata.

Yeah.

Great, great Italian meat.

What—

what do we miss? Corned beef.

Corned beef.

Yeah, that was really the pastrami.

Similar.

Yeah. Um, what else did you have on the meatballs? Yeah, we had that.

That's why if you went there, I was going meatballs.

That's why you were almost willing to give me the two discussions we had back with the two discussions we had was, do we have to clarify what type of turkey? Because I thought we could just do a draft on turkeys because I like smoked turkey.

It's a little dry.

Yeah.

Uh, it's a little dry.

No one just eats it.

That's the thing.

No one just— he just eats turkey.

He's tuned out now, so it doesn't matter. And then the other was—

the other was memes.

James was saying that you could just— we could take anything that you could get at a deli. So we were thinking about taking steak and I was like, we can't do this. Like, you go to any type of deli and you're like, that meat right there. Yeah. Which would have been too much.

Yeah.

What else got left off?

Pork roll.

Yeah, I had some pork roll this weekend.

Anything?

So good.

Hey, what is—

what, what's wrong?

This is—

this— we went into this draft being like, how did— how How could this get contentious?

Yeah, being like, I know, because I said roast— I don't like roast beef.

No, but it was also the turkey.

Like, you can't eat turkey. Zach said the turkey thing.

No, no, but you said you can't eat turkey.

We got this, Hank.

You said you can eat salami, but you can't just eat turkey. That's a crazy thing to say.

There's literally a holiday.

My bad.

I thought— no, I forgot. I forgot that now it's most kumbaya. I will be kumbaya from here on out.

Great. Yeah.

No. Yeah. God forbid you try and guess.

Fight me.

God forbid you try and like— I thought that was the spirit of this competition.

Yeah, and I made a comment that I think that you might feel a little invincible with Zach on your side because I said roast beef is— I don't know, it's the turkey that you can't eat.

Turkey? No one eats turkey.

But are you saying I didn't like push back in other Mount Rushmores?

No.

So then why, like, why is me pushing back me being invincible?

You can't eat turkey is a cr— I don't even understand.

I think it's more— you just got to— you got to be more coherent in your arguments.

I don't understand what can't eat turkey means.

Turkey is a good deli meat, but it's got to be, you know, you have turkey sandwiches, you got turkey cheese bread, like eating a slice of turkey unless it's super fresh. Not the greatest. Max is going to say he does it all the time because he eats everything.

I get it.

But like, I wish you had said that. I would have been like, this is much— I kind of understand it a little bit.

It's much stronger.

I do understand it. Understand it a little bit more. Turkey is good. You're talking about like, like pepperoni? You eat pepperoni out of the bag?

Correct.

You don't?

Okay.

But now I'm invincible.

Come on, turkey. I didn't understand your argument. You said you don't eat turkey.

Okay, turkey, turkey pep is not good.

No, it's garbage. Yeah. Are we gonna get over this or no?

No. Kumbaya.

Good pick.

No, he's gone, he's gone. All right, so here's what's gonna happen. Hank is gonna go into the next Mount Rushmore, uh, going over the top. Kumbaya. Kumbaya out of frustration and sarcasm. And then I don't want to be in this, but then he's going to trigger himself into being actually pissed off by the end of it. So we're going to get another at least like 20 minutes of kumbaya.

Good point.

Good process. Yeah.

All right.

Good.

My restaurant, I thought, uh, jamón ibérico is really good, but it's not— I don't know if that I'd call it a deli meat.

Yeah, I think bologna feels good value around.

Yeah, bologna is a good one. Bologna's— bologna's— I'm okay with bologna not being on the Mount Rushmore.

Mortadella is just the better bologna though.

Yeah, yeah. Did we miss any of the Italian meats? I feel like there's so many. We've got pepperoni, we got salami, mortadella, capicola. Yeah, we got soppressata.

Yeah, I think our whole list got picked. Yeah, except for Corned Beef.

But this is good Mount Rushmore.

Zach, how do you think?

Are we good?

I think our team has a good list. We're not— I think our team has a good list.

I, I don't like that, the way the vibe that we're ending this show on.

What do you think about it?

I agree.

I'm sorry, there's a lot of outside noise. Our team's gonna throw blinders on and we're gonna run the ball here.

I'd like to apologize for saying Hank feels invincible with Zach. That That was, that was an out-of-pocket comment that was undeserved. Thank you. OK, I apologize. It was based on the turkey argument, but I apologize for saying that.

It's good, good process.

Good. Are we back?

Yeah. Never left. Love my Rushmore.

I'm just happy Memes got pepperoni.

Yeah.

Memes is during our, during our pepperoni, our pre-Rushmore draft.

Pepperoni. You just had nipples there.

I don't think— see, this is the new memes. He doesn't get upset. The old memes would have been like, I hope you die in a fire. The new memes, just like, hey, just a point of clarification, it was my nipples that were very weird and captivated the internet, not my entire breasts.

I do love pepperoni.

Pepperoni is great.

It's only Italian meat for me.

That's it.

That's it.

Oh, man.

You don't like gabagool?

No, just pepperoni.

Okay.

All right. I'm going to say right now, I— that was a heartfelt apology. I don't— I don't think that me and Hank are back.

I don't really understand why Hank is this upset.

I'm not upset. It's Mount Rushmore season.

I'm not. No, but I can tell mentally you're like, you're checked out already on Mount Rushmore season.

No, I like— no, no, no, no, no.

This is good. It took one show.

This is a fitting start. To Rushmore.

Hank is done with Rushmore season.

That's not true. He's a competitor. That's why he's fired up.

Maybe. Yeah, we're good. Very fired up.

I got Zach. I can't be stopped.

I got everyone's favorite.

Yeah.

Invincible. Well, we did go in. We had the conversation before. We're like, this is a pretty straightforward Mount Rushmore. I don't think there's anything like everyone else's picks. I don't really know. Yeah, they would just be our picks.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So it's like, I don't even know what I'd bet.

Our entire, our entire board got picked.

Yeah. The Buffalo Chicken was Buffalo Chicken.

Yeah.

As our late sleeper.

So good pick.

All right.

Numbers. 50-0.

Does that exist?

That's a number.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's a number.

It's like it's a nonexistent number. It's like it's a number that doesn't exist.

I wish I could go back in time. I wish I could go back in time.

Not even in the— it's the number that doesn't exist.

It is in the machine.

No, it is in the machine. It is in the machine.

We should go back 20 minutes ago, redo everything.

I hope this is zero.

22.

7.

29.

I go 65. 60.

99. Jaylen, Jaylen Brown, Jason Tatum. That's good cohesiveness, Hank.

I'm sorry for hitting you in in the head.

No, you're not. Oh yeah.

Oh, that was fun. That was more fucked up than what I did.

Yeah, well, that was a guest asked us to.

54.

Yeah, I guess did ask me to do that. Kittle did say he's like, I, I'm willing to fund a new segment of hitting Hank in the head. I was like, I don't think so. He did pay.

Yeah, he did pay.

Did you like it, Hank?

Shout out Kittle, he's a man. Thank you.

Thank you.

I like getting hit in the head.

The new segment.

No, 500.

Yeah, yeah, give him $500. Memes like, I'd do that for free. Yeah.

All right, not anymore.

Uh, you want to do one more? One more number?

Yeah, yeah, sure.

Run it back.

22, 60, 50, 29.

Same number, same number.

What number? 0. 93, 93, 93.

3.

Anyone?

Bueller?

Nope. Uh, happy birthday to Scotty Scheffler today. Happy birthday to Richard Jefferson. Happy birthday Dustin Johnson. Happy birthday Clyde the Glide. Happy birthday Pistol Pete. Happy birthday Kurt Warner. Happy birthday LaDainian Tomlinson. Matt Light. Zidane. Happy birthday Randy Jackson and Tom Kim.

Yes, what about the other guy they spent the whole day talking about his birthday?

I already, I already mentioned him in the show? I literally brought him up saying happy birthday to him. Counts! Counts! Any other—

uh, I have your back, Hank.

Anything else you got against today's birthday wishes, Hank?

Nope.

Okay. Love you guys.

Oh wait.

Uh-oh.

No, just quick birthday. Just want to say hi brother my dad.

That was all. Oh yeah.

Very cool.

Yeah. Even though you fired him. Him once, even though your dad fired you once, we could still wish him—

still wish us happy birthday.

That was Between the White Lines.

Is in— yeah, is in the game.

Oh, happy birthday to my nephew.

Okay, nice.

That was probably a more important one that I should have thought of earlier.

It was my friend Matt's birthday yesterday.

Happy birthday, Max's friend Matt.

Yep.

Shout out, Matt.

2 days ago.

Happy birthday to— happy birthday to summer. Yeah, summer started today, so set your clocks forward. Yep. Next weekend, next Saturday.

Love you guys.