Transcript of Draymond Green, SB Talk With Scott Zolak, NBA Trades + Guys On Hank

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So we do talk about hypotheticals of him being traded. We also have our very good friend Scott Zolak on talk Super Bowl. He's one of a kind. He's a one on one guy. Scott.

He's got a relic of the past.

He's got the best is 100% dialed in. And also the Draymond Green interview. You're right. I. I think it might be top 10.

Ooh, top 10.

Maybe top 10PMT history.

So we're gonna talk some Super Bowl. We had Roger Goodell's big press conference. We have Hot seat, Cool throne, and then we have the first ever guys on Hank questions for Hank. Oh, he forgot about it.

Yeah.

Oh, that makes it so much better.

Hank, why are you upset? They might be good. They might be all just good things.

You know what?

Yeah.

Wait, positive.

Who's picking the options that we're gonna read?

That'd be.

Oh, Connor.

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Hey, football guy. Patina, AWS.

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Yeah, Barn and Mike.

Welcome to part of my take, presented by DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Wednesday, February 4th, and Hank, week continues because we had Roger Goodell's press conference, and we have nine international games in the 2026 NFL season. Look what you done, you piece of.

There's some new.

That wasn't a question. I was. I was talking to pfd.

I'll take it from here.

That was.

You're saying you got PFC a piece of. No, I was calling you a piece of shit. But it. Not a question.

Yeah, not a question.

I did not end it with a question.

There's a period at the end of that sentence. Period is a punctuation mark for when you're done talking. The games are London. We got three games in London. It returns to Madrid, Spain, which, by the way, I. I got to see the stadium when I was over in Madrid. Incredible stadium. Yep, awesome stadium. Keep football out of there.

That's a soccer stadium.

Melbourne, Australia.

Melbourne. Melbourne. Melbourne.

Insane that it's. The teams are going to have to go to Australia.

That's going to be, I'm going to guess, a 16 hour plane ride.

I think it's 21 hours.

If you're.

If it's an east coast team, they'll.

Probably do West Coast, I would imagine.

Who knows?

They're just shoving these down our throat.

We got the return to Mexico City. If you think the altitude's an issue in Denver. Mexico City is super high. We got Munich, Germany. Sweet. And then two new locations. Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, and Paris, France. Gay Paris. The Adal is going to gay Paris.

The Saints.

The Saints are going.

Yeah.

Hank, is France a Super bowl country now? We're going to get the super bowl in France now.

There's a lot of better countries on that list.

Where would you. If there was to be an international super bowl, where would you put it?

The Madrid one. There was. It was all. It was high praise up your ass.

Is the correct answer. That's where you put it.

It's just too much. It used to be fun. Because it was like two or three times and it was, oh, this is an experience. You know what it reminds me of? Did you guys know that on Sunday, two days ago, there was a stadium series game?

Yeah, yeah, that's in Florida.

They just throw these things out there. It's like, hey, this one thing, stadium series, exactly the same it used to be, oh, there was one of them on January 1st, and it was cool and it was an experience. Now they're just fucking throwing stadium series at us left and right. Don't even know when they're happening. This is the same thing. You just don't need this many games. And the worst part about it is this is clearly going to keep going up and up and up. It's not going to go backwards. It's going to go more until every single team. There'll be 16 international games, and every single team will have to play in an international game. And then Henry Lockwood will. His watch will end and he'll be happy that he's ruined the sport of football in America.

So it looks like the Rams are going to be one of the teams that goes over to Australia.

Okay.

Rams might be one of the designated teams for that. I'm curious to know what time of day it's going to be played.

Who knows?

Time zones.

We do have our time zone.

Time zones. When you go to Australia is going to be absolutely insane. The game, it's probably gonna be played on a Monday.

Give it a shot.

Like, Monday morning.

Give it a shot.

Google it and give it a shot. By the way, Zach is sick, so that's why he's not in this chair and probably why he slept the other day.

Yeah, he wasn't going to tell us.

He did not tell anyone for about 24 hours. So there's a very high chance all of us get sick.

We went to. He had never had In N Out. We went to In N Out for his first time, and he ordered just like a double. Double. Yeah, I'm good. And I looked at him. I'm like, zach, like, I've heard your orders a hundred times. You get like 5x that. He's like, no, no, I'm good. I'm good. That should have been the number one sign.

He's keeping sickness from us. And, yeah, I. I don't feel. Maybe this is just, you know, in my own head, but I didn't wake up feeling great this morning.

Me neither.

And so the whole podcast might be. I guess if we all get sick on Thursday, it will just be Zach doing a Solo show. Because he'll be better by then.

Yeah. He'll be happy. He'll be spry.

This is gonna be. Melbourne's gonna be, too.

Melbourne.

Yeah.

Okay, go ahead.

Give it to us right now. It's 3:30am tomorrow.

Crikey.

Okay, but right now, what time is it?

It's 8.30am in New York.

It's.

11.30Am in New York.

And it's what time in Melbourne? 3.30am so how are they going to play this game?

So they're. They might play a Monday night game. Fight. Max, find out for me what time?

7Pm no, that would be a Sunday night game here.

No, but Monday night in Melbourne.

Yeah, It's Sunday night here.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

So they're going to take Sunday Night Football.

No, it might be a Monday afternoon game. Look up what time, Max. Look up what time? 5pm and Melbourne is. This is on the East Coast.

This is what you've done to us, Roger Goodell. You've made us try to learn things, and that's not what the NFL is about.

But he's. Did you see what he said about the players?

No. Diana Rossini, who we all think is an incredible reporter, said that. Yeah, all of us do. She's our queen. Goodell said she. He spoke to many players and discovered how much they enjoy playing international games because they feel like ambassadors.

That's awesome.

This has got to be. He talked to like one punter and a long snapper.

This is that. To me, I think that was. That was probably Travis ATN that said that.

It's.

It's. There's no way this happened.

Brian Thomas Jr. Said that.

No way.

Like playing in London, because I feel like an ambassador. This is.

This is crazy. Max, grow the game.

I think I found it. I think I figured out how we're going to do this.

Hope you're listening. NFL. We've got this figured out.

Ready? 12pm Noon. Melbourne is 8pm New York.

So it's Sunday Night Football. It'll have to be a Sunday Night Football.

That's awesome.

That I'm fine with. Yeah, that's a regular slot. So now we're down to eight games.

We're down to eight games. The. The France one. I don't get it. France is not a football country.

No, it's the opposite of football country.

It's going to be terrible. We're going back to Spain. We're hitting the. The Brazil thing again. We're doing that. We got to stop football. It belongs In. In these walls, in this country.

We have to stop.

This is our thing. Although Melbourne would probably be a great time.

I have another problem with Melbourne.

I might be with on team Hank when it comes to Australia.

If we do.

Should we go.

It could they also.

What they're probably going to do is.

Like a Friday night.

It's going to be.

Yeah, it's going to be like a Friday night.

He's right. It's going to be a Friday night.

Yeah.

So you take. What time would the game be played?

So it'll still be Saturday at noon for a Friday night game.

Yeah.

But what's going to be bullshit because.

Of the travel too. That's going to be the second game of the season.

Yeah.

100%.

And then they're. No, but you'd think you'd give those.

Teams by coming back.

No, they don't necessarily do. Especially if they play a day before. Two days before Sunday.

I think if it's a 16 to 20 hour plane ride, I think you would have to give those teams a bye week.

I. I feel like this might be the second game of the season.

I'm kind of feeling second game of the season. I also think it's going to be bullshit that it's going to be like an APM start. It's just going to be completely bright. The entire.

It's going.

I'm going to be very confused watching that game.

You are the reason this is happening.

You are the reason this is happening.

You.

This beautiful game is growing. We have lots of international fans. We know that.

I did see. I did see some Irish dudes at the diner this morning. NFL, Ireland.

Yeah. Australia is one of our.

One of our biggest international listeners.

Yeah.

We have no problem with the Australian game because we realized that it's going to be a night game. So we're cool with that.

We're kind of Aussies.

We're cool with.

Yeah, we're cool with Aussies. We'll share the. Australia is basically like South United States. Yeah, I'm okay with that. But yeah, the travel logistics sucks. We're trying to grow the game. We're trying to build revenues overseas. At the expense.

I'm not.

No.

At the expense of the American fan.

They.

I don't care about international too.

They listen to podcasts. They want takes.

You're not even gonna watch these games.

The Australia one, I will.

Yeah. And then the other ones.

If the Patriots are playing in it.

I'll watch.

I'll turn it. I'll turn it on when I wake up.

So the other news that came out.

So that's one last question.

Oh, yeah.

When is. Aren't they announcing the super bowl venues?

I don't know. Well, we already know the next two.

But I think they're doing the other one soon.

Yeah, Max was actually. That's got.

It's got to be coming. It's gonna drive people nuts.

No, no, no, it's not coming this year.

They're gonna do 16. It's coming the Max. We were, we were talking about super. Future super bowl sites and Max was doing the math in his head and he's like, all right, so la. Next year I'm going to have to go to the Birds game, then Atlanta. We probably will lose in the playoffs. We'll lose in the first round every other year.

Yeah.

So cocky. Roger. He held his press conference. They're trying to rework the Rooney rule. I don't really understand. I do think that the Rooney rule is. It feels like people just use it a check mark now.

Yeah. That's kind of what it's been. This year was like they. Everybody pointed at like 0 for 10 on black head coaches getting hired for all the vacancies. Robert Salah is Lebanese. He got hired that's. He was a former head coach. It's never worked as intended. Basically the Steelers were like, we knocked it out of the park with Tomlin, so therefore everybody else should have to bring in somebody.

Yeah.

And it's. It's the owners that are making the call. So it really hasn't worked to its intention. They'll try to figure out something new to do with it. But yeah, so far. I'm gonna try this joke again. Wait. The Rooney rule hasn't worked, but now we've got two sets of brothers as head coaches in the NFL.

Nice, Nice.

Put in the laugh track for that one.

Nice.

That was way better.

Michael Flor's. His hair is something. He's the hair that. Yeah. That we were talking about. Jeff Halfley.

He's like Michael Floor's hair. Yeah, he's. He's Jeff Halfley with like another quarter inch on there. Swaggy.

But yeah. So Goodell did his press conference. He just basically lied to everyone. He was like, yeah, the officiating is great. Everyone wants more international games. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Hank just lapped it all up.

The officiating comment was. Was comedy.

I have a take on actual, actual comedy. The actual quote was, I'm amazed at how good our officials are that he said. And he said it.

He watches the games Being like, yes.

Such a straight face from Goodell. I will say that I, I think it's probably very, very hard to be an NFL ref. Yeah, there's a lot of things that you don't think so, Max.

No, I was saying I couldn't do it.

Yeah, it's. It's got to be super hard. And do you think that the guys that we currently have reffing NFL games are the best in the world at roughing NFL football?

Well, no, because they don't get paid year round to do it.

Yeah, but out of all the people in the world, nobody gets paid year round to do it. I think they're probably the best. Right.

How much do they get paid a year?

Who do you think better?

Probably like a like a 19 year old Asian boy who's really good at like Call of Duty who's got like fast twitch eye muscles.

Yeah.

Like those gamer guys are awesome.

A guy sitting in a chair somewhere would be better at it. Yeah, I don't know.

I don't know.

I do think that here's my problem with refs. They've gotten too focused on physical fitness recently. We used to have one jack ref that was Ed hockey. All these other guys are like I want to have big arms too.

Yeah.

They need to be in the lab, not in the gym.

Isn't it? Isn't. So tell me this. So we, we lost our, our gamer here to sickness. But isn't it like the, the guys who play competitive gaming, they're really, really good until like they're 22 years old, then they up. That's how it. Like they're all, all the guys who are incredible gamers are just their eyesight is the best it possibly could be their ability to track things. It feels like we should have a bunch of teenage refs or.

Yeah. Put body cams on them.

That works too.

Accountability.

Yeah, but so that, that was that. And then we had the super bowl media night which has just lost all of its aura and luster. It looked ridiculous. It was a fire fest. I don't know why they stopped doing it in the stadium. I guess because San Francisco obviously the stadium's outdoors. The whole setup for San Francisco makes no sense because Santa Clara is so far away. It's stupid.

Well, I was at the last one that they did here and it was at that convention center. That's where Dave asked Belichick if he could kill anybody for him.

Nope, that was the year before Belichick wasn't in that Super Bowl.

Oh, that's right. That was in Arizona. That must have been Arizona. Yeah. I don't think Medianite was ever really great.

I think you have a story from that media night.

Oh, the one in San Francisco? Yeah. I asked Cam Newton, if he was so strong and athletic and loved America, why didn't he go overseas and fight isis?

That's good question.

And he had absolutely no answer to that. And then I. I grilled Ron Rivera for about 10 minutes on why he doesn't just go for two every single time. And he goes, well, here's the thing is, like, sometimes you don't get it if you go for two. I was like, sometimes you don't get. If you kick the extra point and. And 50% of 2 is greater than 94% of 1. And then he just didn't understand that math at all. But no, media day, I don't think was ever really that great.

It's just to have like some type of. I actually think that they screwed it up making it Monday night. Like it was weirdly 10 years ago or whatever it was when it was during the day and you just like you're sitting at work and you're like, oh, yeah, they're doing this. Like, there's some stories that pop up now at night. I don't know. And it just. Yeah, setup looked horrible. It looked terrible. Terrible. Absolutely terrible.

I don't know was it looked worse than it was 10 years ago. That's the part I don't understand. It's like they were here. Yeah. Been here. The setup and the clips from it just looked bizarre.

I like Dave Damaschek asking Variable if it was a must win game.

That's actually a good question.

That was a great question.

Must winner, can't lose.

Rabel said they're all must wins. Did you hear what Tom Brady said?

No.

So Tom Brady, they asked him who he's. Who he's rooting for. Yeah, Tom Brady, our goat. Right, Hank?

Yep.

He said, I'm rooting for a good game. He said, I don't have a dog in the fight.

Well, he does.

He doesn't.

The Raiders.

Yeah, the Raiders. Not in the fight. He is an owner, but they're not in the fight.

Makes sense that he's not like outwardly saying I'm rooting for one team or the other.

Well, if he's rooting for the Raiders, isn't he also then rooting for the Seahawks because they're offense coordinator is the new head coach of the Raiders?

Yeah, I would say maybe, but that, like, I saw that or did I see the quote?

Or.

I can't remember. I just know he's. He's an owner now. Right. So, yeah, he's got to basically pretend that he's neutral on all of it.

Yeah.

So he's. But I was shocked that he wasn't rooting for our Patriots.

Shut up.

What? This is Tom that said that you're mad at me.

I'm sick of PfP parading around San Francisco seeing Patriots, and they're like, I got this big bet on the Patriots.

Go Pats.

Go back.

Did you hear about my bet on the Patriots?

As a Patriots fan, I'm used to this hate.

Hank has a bet that I placed.

I'm used to the.

Is Hank's money.

It's Hanks, but it could be some of my money, too.

But you go Pats, go raiding around town. I've heard you 10 different times be like, oh, Patriots got this big bet in the Patriots. And I just.

I'm also rooting for my bet to lose, Hank.

So you need to start saying.

Stop saying so.

Stop acting like you're a Patriots fan when you talk to, like, you're fake. As you have been going up to.

Patriots fans saying that, like, we're in lockstead.

Correct.

Correct.

It's fraud.

And I'm rooting. I'm publicly rooting for my bet to lose.

But you're not. You're not saying that when you're telling people about this bet. That's the problem.

Well, because the game hasn't started yet, so I have to bet on the Patriots once.

Kickoff found a way to play both sides, but also no sides.

No.

I'm tanks money, and you bet it, and you don't want it to hit.

Yeah. I'm really actually rooting against the Patriots, but for the time being, I can say that I have a big bet on the Patriots. Hank, it's free country.

But you really don't.

I also.

I do have a big bet on the Patriots.

Well, Hank has a big bet on the Patriots.

Yeah.

You also keep saying that you're gonna get some of the money, too. You either lose 40,000 or you lose 2,000.

Yeah, so you keep saying.

Like, I'm gonna get some of this money, too.

Yeah. I would much rather lose $40,000 than $2,000.

Yes.

That's what I'm doing for America.

Oh, no, no. He'll get more than that.

Why?

Plus 195.

So.

He put 40 in. He's getting 30. He'll have 38 in his account if.

If it yeah.

After giving it the.

Hank. Yeah.

Got it.

I was just. Man.

Yeah.

Yeah.

My goat, Tom Brady.

I.

It broke my heart when he was like, I don't have a dog in this fight. Come on, Tom. Lock in.

What? Pft. I got a follow up question for you.

Would you.

What are your thoughts on Bob Kraft not making it to the hall of Fame?

I mean, what does guy have to do to get in? Jerk someone off. It's crazy. It's crazy that Bob Kraft isn't getting in the hall of Fame. Maybe the greatest owner in the history of any sport.

Do you think, though, there's a small part of him that's maybe a little happy it didn't happen this year because it would have been very awkward.

I think that's probably true.

Yeah.

But it does also feel like this is setting up so, so good for the Patriots. Like, this is. This is classic.

Oh, yeah.

Us against the world. They hate us. Because they ain't usually. It's. It's back to the old days, you know, when we were the whipping boy, the NFL, and all we did was go out there and win championships. Right. Everybody's face. Yeah.

It's bullshit. I mean, it's clearly. There's never been more clear that the Patriots. And I don't understand why the NFL hates the Patriots the way they do. All they've done is brought.

And then all you do is carry water for the NFL.

False.

Yeah, you do with the international games.

I carry water for the sport of football because I love it so much.

As a Patriots fan. It's just. It's all the winning that we did that pissed him off. Also probably all the cheating scandals that we had. But mostly the winning is mostly the winning.

Have you.

Has it, like, registered that you bet $40,000 on the Super Bowl?

Oh, yeah. Oh, it's registered. Trust me. I know. Like Hank says, I'm telling every Patriots fan that I see, go, Pats, go. Dave didn't buy it.

$40,000 Dave would.

Yeah. I've been keeping eyes on you. I've been watching your takes from afar. We'll have words. All right, Dave, let's add. I would love to converse with a fellow Patriots fan. I was also looking through the. The quarterbacks that we have right now. I was thinking about this last night before we went to bed. The quarterbacks that will then become like the next Sam Darnolds.

Okay.

We have out there. I. I had a couple that I added to the list. Maybe I went too far.

By the way, just as a total aside I completely forgot. Tommy DeVito is in the Super Bowl.

Yeah.

He was at media day.

I was like, holy Tommy DeVito.

Five for five on third and six.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right. Go ahead.

It's a fact. He's the best in the NFL. The other two that I. What?

What?

What?

What?

Hank, you want this? You want this?

We gotta go. We got to be united.

You want to step outside your whole stupid. No. Because it's so stupid. Whatever. You started the step by being, like, minimum 10 passes, so you can't then be like, Tommy beat about five passes.

But even if Tommy DeVito started this.

Yeah.

Goes inside for all five of those next ones. He's still better than Drake.

Twice as good on this.

Hey, there's also, like, an argument that you just. They're not first downs. They could just be, like, check downs. This isn't.

I don't care. I also don't care enough to look into it, and it's not a real stat, and it's pointless.

Aren't wrong. Because it's in your head right now. Because it's so far in your head right now, I. Hank, you're. You're right. It is. It's a. It's a pointless stat.

Oh, the super bowl comes down to third and six with PFT's. Big bet would be awesome.

Awesome.

Well, no, you don't want that, because third and six, statistically, I do. Away. No, it.

It went our way last.

He didn't pass.

I don't give a. We got a first down and ended the game.

If it's the fourth, third, and six of the day and he's been 0 for 3 on him statistically.

Yeah, but if it's the fourth, third and six, and he's gotten, like, three of them, he's completed. You don't want it.

I want it.

Okay.

Go ahead.

PFD your next Sam Darnold.

It's gonna be great. Okay. The next Sam Darnold. I added Anthony Richardson to the list.

I'm in.

You're in?

Yeah. Sewing.

I don't know.

See, Hank lockstep.

He needs to.

Where.

Where does he go?

He would have to go to, like, Minnesota or.

Or la, maybe.

It might be, like, a floor thing. Maybe. Maybe goes to Arizona. Maybe Arizona could fix him.

Okay.

And then the other one that I had was Mitch.

I don't know. Yeah.

Fuck.

Yeah.

So I. I'm a big Mitch guy, but he. If he was going to be the Sam Darnold, I think it would already happen, because, remember, he. He did have a Chance.

Yeah, but Sam went to the Panthers, then the Niners, then he got good on the Vikings.

Right. Mitch went to the Bills, the Steelers.

Yeah, you're right. Mitch. Okay, Mitch.

He kind of already had the.

I will be replacing Mitch Trubisky on this list with Kyle Trask.

Okay. What about Justin Fields?

Pro bowler?

Pro bowler. Well, no, he turned down the Pro bowl.

But he was. Memes is touting him as a pro.

Bowler now, but memes. He turned it down. But he was asked.

He's a pro Bowler. He was asked. He's a pro bowler.

He was asked. Yeah, Justin Fields. He. He could be on the list too, but yeah, Anthony. I don't know. I should be done with Anthony Richardson, but I'm not.

I feel like the answer is Malik Willis.

Yeah, he's number one.

He's number one. He might already be. Yeah, he might. He might have been good enough this year and last year that you key doesn't even qualify. You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Because like I actually think. I actually think he's good.

But, but you could have said the same thing when like darn was on the Niners.

Yeah, but although Milliequillis was he. He wasn't a first round pick, was he?

I think he was.

No, I don't think so.

No, I don't think he was.

Yeah, that was like it's got to be a first round pick, don't you think? He was a third round pick.

Yeah. Can he pick it when he pick it? Maybe. Can he pick it? Well, he's. Yeah, he's going back and forth. Max says no. Oh yeah. Malik Willis was number one.

Trey Lance. No.

And then I also thought to myself, yeah, what if desean's good again and then Anthony Rich. I don't know. Maybe. Probably not. Probably not. Anthony Richardson will love us. But yeah, think about it.

Well, Levis.

Levis. Yeah.

Not a first round pick, but still.

Chance he was a first year starter.

Pete Priscoe thinks will love us is best quarterback in the NFL. He said that on the record.

Also, Sam Darnold's grandfather being named Dick Hammer needs more. Always great Dick Hammer and he was the Marlboro man.

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Stop me if you heard this before, but James Harden wants to be traded. That's the big news going right now. So the NBA trade deadline, we're recording this early in the morning. If there is a trade of substantial. What did we say? What was the. What was the.

I said five time All Star.

Five time All Star. We are going to do an emergency insert and it will happen right here. Okay. We are breaking moves. We recorded most of the show at 8am and we said we will place trades in this part of the show. If it happens and we do have some trades max, we're gonna go to our ESP or sorry, our NBA Insider desk maxilente. He's got all the trade details.

Which one of my. Which one would you like me?

All of them.

Give me all the trades.

All right, we're going to go in chronological order here.

Newsmax.

Most recent?

Nope.

Okay.

Least recent.

Okay.

And we're going to start with the biggest one of the day.

I'd agree with this.

It is going to be the Memphis Grizzlies are trading star Forward Jaren Jackson Jr. John Conchar, Jock Landell and Vince William Jr. To the Utah Jazz for Walter Clayton Jr. Kyle Anderson, Taylor Hendricks, George Niang and three future first round picks.

Wow. Whoa.

A lot of picks.

A lot of picks. And Yang the minivan.

So the Grizzlies are just blowing everything Up. Which they should. That's really what all that is.

So what happens with Ja now?

Jaw. It's his team.

Finally. They're gonna build around Ja Mount Zion.

We are gonna have Priscilla on next week to do an NBA preview. This is our reaction to trades that, you know, we don't know.

You know what this tells me?

People love this trade for the Jazz. I'm seeing on Twitter.

Oh.

Oh, okay.

This tells me John needs to step up.

Yeah.

Big time. Well, I mean, Jaren Jackson's like an elite, elite defender, so. Yeah. Good trade, Jazz and also good trade, Grizzlies.

Win.

Win.

Okay.

Yeah.

Okay.

Just in two hours ago from jobs Chicago, Minnesota and Detroit have agreed to a multi term deal. A multi team deal.

Fuck.

A multi team deal that sends Jaden Ivey and Mike Conley Jr. To the Bulls, Kevin Herder and Dario Sharich to the Pistons. And Detroit also receives a 2026 first round predicted protected swap from Minnesota.

Okay, you want my instant reactions in chronological order of the thoughts that went through my head? Okay. Number one, cool. Because Titus is good friends with Mike Conley, so he'll probably come to the office. Number two, Kevin Herder, his agent, played pickup basketball with us on Friday and he was like, I'm finally settling into Chicago. This is awesome. Not awesome anymore for you, dude, but good. Hooper, cool guy. Number three. This feels like the Timberwolves are moving money around to maybe go for Giannis. Number four. This is a patented AK Bulls move where he. And I can't. I can't be a hypocrite here because I also subscribe to this theory. He sees a guy like Jade Nivey, who was the fifth pick overall a few years ago. He got hurt last year. Remember that terrible injury? He hasn't been really the same. Missed a ton of time. Hasn't been the same this year. He's like. But he was the fifth pick, so he's got to be good. I agree with that. Even though this probably doesn't do anything for the Bulls.

He was really good player in college.

Yeah.

Excellent player.

But if you're. If you're. If you're a lottery pick, you're a lottery pick forever in my mind. So I understand his reasoning. I don't know if my reasoning should also be the general manager of the Bulls reasoning, but that's. That's for a different day.

Bring back Darko.

Yeah, it's Kevin White. Kevin White. Kevin White still's got it. But yeah, no, the Bulls did a lot of lateral moves. Build the whole team out of guards. I think they have one big man right now.

Well, they have one more trade.

Yeah, that.

Yeah.

Breaking. The Chicago Bulls are trading center Nikola Vucevich and a second round pick to the Boston Celtics for Anthony Simmons and a second round pick.

My insight on this is, Hank, you might have been there. We're playing golf. Remember that like two years ago in Chicago.

Oh, yeah.

This is shit you won't get anywhere else.

Hank and I was. Hank and I were playing golf with Johnny Fish.

Yep.

And the name of that course is Medina Medina. And Vucevich was there the day that he signed a contract. I think with the Bulls. I feel bad for him. He's probably not going to be able to play Madonna anymore.

Ah, yeah.

This is. I like this trade. I was happy with this trade.

Well, Vuch.

It also means Jason Tatum's coming back.

They were trying to trade Vuch for a while. It was, it was a bad trade at the first time. Then they gave him money. He's a flawed player. He's not. He's not a bad player. He's just a flawed player because he's not great defensively.

I think he's an upgrade for center for us.

Okay.

And it gets us under the apron.

And it does feel like a solid that AK is doing for Vuch where he's like, hey, I'm gonna trade you to a good team and keep going with the. Let's get a bunch of guards. And also I think Jaden Ivy. And is Anthony Simmons a restricted free agent after this year? Yeah, so. So is Jaden Ivey. So he's basically doing kind of like the Josh Giddy, let's get him for a certain amount of time and then we'll have to figure it out. I don't know. The Bulls stink. So Hank, you.

You think that this is a clear sign that Tatum's coming back?

Yeah.

This year.

Yeah. Because if he, if Tatum comes back, those are minutes like Simmons has been playing. But if Tatum comes back, those minutes are gone.

Also a sign that probably I.O. and Kobe White are going to be moved and they might. When you're listening to this, they might have already been traded. I think I'm actually happy that the Bulls aren't. I wish they would get a first round pick here.

There.

They.

They're.

They're basically allergic to trading for first round picks. But this doesn't. It's thankfully not like a stupid, oh, we're all in for making the play in situation. It's more lateral moves. Take a, take a shot at a guy Like Jaden Ivy. Maybe he returns to form and hope it works out. That's what AK Loves to do. He loves to get guys that are still young and maybe haven't played well or been injured, and it's like, hey, maybe they're still good. Like I said, the lottery pick.

The Bulls are. Are right now. Are they on make the plan?

They are. I. They swap back in 9th and 10. They're right where they should be.

Always.

They're always in the 910 range. I think there's actually. I think coming up in the schedule, we play the Heat like I think we did. We play the Heat last night. I think we play the Heat maybe tonight. We play the Heat like two times in. In three days. And it's basically the play into the playing.

I love that.

Yeah. Marketing as such. Yeah, exactly.

T shirt.

These two teams don't like each other. They'll be playing in the play in soon. Yeah. So that's it. We have anything else? Shams say anything Seams.

Yeah, I mean, he's saying right now the warriors have involved Draymond Green actively. Active talks going on right now between the warriors and the Bucks.

Oh, so when you listen to the Draymond Green interview, it's going to be we did. We played. We played the. We played the Heat two nights ago and then like three nights ago. So that was the plan. Oh, we played him three times in. In a week. That was the plan. To the plan. And we. The Bulls lost 2 to 1. So we lost the plan to the plan.

The way that Steve Kerr's talking about this makes it seem like Draymond's gone. He said, I think what's really tricky for Draymond is this is the only place he's ever known he's going to have a statue outside the building someday. Oh, he's never been through this, and it's definitely been on his mind.

I don't think statue talk.

You don't do statue talking unless it's serious.

So the good news is we are about to listen to the Draymond interview, which, again, was incredible. We will go through all the. The emotions. So we actually will be breaking the news if he gets traded. I hope he doesn't get traded till Thursday so people can see the breaking news of him reacting to all the trades.

Yeah.

Potentially we did gets traded like the.

Exact second we released this.

Yeah.

Because then people would have to run for instant reaction.

I hope he doesn't get traded.

I hope he doesn't get either. I don't think he wants to get.

There's gonna be a statue of him outside one day.

Yeah. Either.

But we get into it, we get into all.

I hope it's of him. K. Steve Adams in the dick. That'd be an awesome statue. That's just the dick and then Draymond.

Yeah.

Yeah, that'd be great.

Okay. That was NBA trade deadline from some guys that love ball.

Hoop, hoop, love.

The hoop ball is life. Oh, look at that.

Hold it, hold it, hold it.

Oh, got it.

Max. Beautiful.

All right, let's kick it back to ourselves. The real story is Giannis and then James Harden, weirdly so. So atypical for him, has quit on.

A team I. I won't believe until he gets fat.

He just.

Did you see the Ty Lou? He. They went to. They went and played the Suns, and James Harden just stayed in Arizona and Ty Lou was asked and he was just like, I don't really know. He just stayed in there. He went to Arizona State. Arizona basketball game, and I think he just missed two games and he just quit yet again.

The NBA is so weird. It's so weird when it comes to that. Like, the players can just do whatever they want.

Yeah. James Harden is. I'll say this about James Harden. He is maybe first ballot hall of Fame. I got to take care of me first guy, wouldn't you say?

Yeah, he's right.

He's always like, hey, what can I do for James Harden?

James Harden has actually done life pretty good. He really good. Yeah, I would say. How much money do you think James Harden has made?

Probably like 450 million.

Yeah. And I'd say, like, 25 of that is sponsorships, is when he's just, like, not working.

Do you remember when James Harden just called Daryl Moria liar in front of a bunch of Chinese, like, elementary school kids?

Yeah. Got him.

That was weird.

411 million. Wow.

Good for him.

Yeah.

But he's got no home because he always wants to go. Maybe he's just. Maybe he just has, like, some type of anxiety where he can't. He's got, like, restless. He can't stay in one place for too long. That's all it is.

I mean, if he's in Cleveland, he's. That's going to be a problem.

Yeah.

Like la.

I can't wait. Because James Harden will go to Cleveland. If he goes to Cleveland, he'll go to Cleveland, he'll be decent. They'll get in the playoffs. He'll have like a game one or two where he goes off and everyone be like, Bam. That's why you trade for James Harden. And then he'll joke.

I hope he's in the playoffs.

He's not my problem anyway.

Would you have him back?

Max, you want it back?

Depends what we gave up.

I'm not giving.

We have their. We have their. The Clippers 20, 28 unprotected, which is.

Is gold. That's juice. Yeah.

So I would not give. I would not give that back for James.

Do not give a pick for James Harden.

No, I would not give 20. The Clippers 20, 28 unprotected. There. That team is going this way.

Down, down this way. Okay, what else is going on in the sports with Matt Nagy got hired by the Giants. Yep. Good for him.

I guess I did see. I think this was through media night. There was a little nugget about Stefan Diggs. Hank, did you see this?

Say it. I'll tell you.

Okay, so we're back.

So, Vrabel, that was our quick intermission where we talked to James Harden for two minutes. Now back to regular scheduled programming. Football of PFT versus Hank. It's football season.

I actually, this is a good story.

Same side.

So Diggs is. Diggs is usually late on Friday mornings to the team meetings. And they asked Variable about it, and he said, yeah, every Friday, little buddy's got to go take a poop. So he misses every.

That's like you before the show.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He's like a half hour late to every single Friday meeting because he's pooping. I thought that was cool. Yeah.

Yeah. You can relate to that.

Yeah.

I also did the other nugget I saw from media day was. Was just like, how bad Cam Newton has. Has ruined his relationship with Drake May and like the Patriots.

Well, and me, Cam Newton is like, I feel like everything I see from him, it's never really good stuff. And he hasn't done anything wrong. So it's a very funny watch where you're like, he hasn't done anything that he's like, a bad guy. He's not a bad guy. But he's just been so wrong on his takes, and his takes have been so out of touch that everyone is soured on him.

And he's talked so much, and it's like, Drake May is from Carolina. Like, grew up. Cam Newton's his favorite player. He used to talk about that all the time. And then it's like he got asked immediate days. Like, you could see the wheels in motion where he's like, oh, yeah, my favorite player growing up. Like, Aaron Rodgers, like, he just completely. He's never gonna acknowledge came. And rightfully so. Like Cam Newton's talks so much trash. Even though you would think, you know, he would embrace him more.

Right. How did Drake's shoulder look?

Great.

You.

You watched.

I watched some clips. And looks great.

Dr. Hank.

Zolak. Zolak.

Put.

Put it to bed. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna spoil the interview, but you can tell the body language. You said he saw him before and he's good to go.

Okay.

Did he not.

Yeah, he did. I was just asking if you saw any other clips. If you're watching it like a hawk.

Do you think Zolak has any bias?

Good question. I think it's all like. There's also like nose.

Got it.

He's there.

QB's. No QBs.

What if Zolak had said he's worried about Drake May's shoulder? Would you then be worried?

Then I'd have to probably turn on Dr. Hank.

You guys are trying to make it a story of something that's not a story.

Dr. Hank. I want. I don't. I don't give a. About Drake. Me shoulder. I just want to turn on Dr. Hank. I just want Hank to do little reading. I don't know what that means.

Yeah, I don't know what that means if he did.

Listen, Tom Brady was listed on the injury report for what, Hank, like six years in a row with a bad shoulder.

Yep.

This is fine. Everyone's dinged up this time of year. Not a problem.

Correct. Yeah.

Lockstep.

He's got. I don't know if you heard, but he's got a big bet on the Patriots.

Let's go. Go.

You should get the ticket printed on a shirt.

Defend. Defend the wall. King of the North.

Yeah.

Did you know that Drake May has faced every defender on the AFC Pro bowl roster this year? He played against every single one of those guys.

Wow.

They're still trying to talk about the schedule.

That's a great stat.

Yeah. Thank you.

Is it. Is the Pro bowl roster. How many of those guys are backup Pro Bowlers?

No, this is. It's a good. Good list of names.

Really good.

Pro Bowls, Pro Pro's, Pro Bowl. And listen, you guys can say what you want about Drake, man, his shoulder being hurt and the schedule that we had, that was so easy this year. And how every single quarterback we played in the playoffs sucked ass. But it doesn't change the fact that Drake May doesn't play against quarterbacks. He plays against defenses.

Yeah, whatever you want. To say, no, you flip flop.

You disagree.

Flip flop and lie on your takes.

Like, oh, steady, steady, steady, steady. That's before I had a bet on our Patriots.

That's before we understood that he had a tail.

Yeah, good point. Hey, I'm trying to give. I'm giving Hank good stats, and he just. I just know what to do with.

PFT to be gone.

He doesn't know what to do Friday.

And I'm just. My Patriots friends. And, and were you guys.

Were.

You guys were so such good friends.

Ask Dave for a ticket.

I already did. I asked him if I could get a ticket to the game. He said, I've been keeping an eye on you.

What you're actually.

No, I, I, I will ask him today. I'll ask him on the.

Yeah, you're gonna, you're gonna regret, like, when PFT and everyone else leaves, you're gonna regret not having someone walk around talking about the bet.

No.

Yeah, you're gonna miss that. There's gonna be a moment on Saturday where you're like, you hear an echo and you're like, oh, my God, was that someone saying Something about a 40 grand bet?

Yeah.

And. And it won't be. Yeah, you won't be here.

I'm gonna miss this friendship that we've had this week. We had.

The start of the week was great.

I'm, I'm very excited to, to start betting. Some props on the Super Bowl. I think, by the way, what we should.

I love mine, by the way. I put them in on Sunday before I left, so here's looking at them all week. They're great.

Here's what I think we should do. I should. We do five prop bets each or seven prop bets each. Maybe five each on Friday. And I think what we should do is the difference that you have wins and losses is like a mandatory hour. You have to do a Zach. So if you go three and two, you don't have to do any. If you go two and three, you have to do one hour mandatory. You like that?

Only have five.

I'm already. I already.

Yeah, you're already.

So we'll have to add ours. And Zach also. Zach also. Yes, he does. What is he up to? What is he, 36? The worst you could do is add five. If you go over five, you add five hours.

Okay.

Like, the chance of him going over five.

Okay.

So.

So everyone will do it. And that's like, we're all going to be tracked hours.

Yes.

If Zach goes 5.

0.

He now has to do 31 hours.

So what's the minimum for the, for the odds on the props?

I think it has to be like, somewhere in the, you know, minus 130 to. Oh, okay, 130. Yeah. No, it doesn't have to be.

I got bombs.

Oh, you can do bombs. But then you might have to do mandatory hours.

That's fine. I mean, I, I, my bets are in.

Oh, okay.

Hank, I got a question for you.

So we'll do that Friday. I think that would be good for Friday's show. And it's, it's not like a substantial swing and we're all going to be part of the stream anyway. But I'm saying, like, if I go 05, I have to mandatory be five hours a row. You know what I mean?

Five hours is nothing.

No, I agree.

The difference between 0 and 5 is so much.

But what if you go 5 and 0 now you only have to do 13 hours.

Should have picked better games.

Should have picked. Oh, no, that was actually, that's. I, I started to parrot it, and then I remembered that you and I, Max, were incredible at P games that. Yeah, yeah.

You should have done a little bit better or a little bit worse. Max. Yeah, Hank, I got a question for you about our Patriots.

Yeah, we're just, he's exhausted.

We just keep going back. We start talking about something else.

Ma.

Loser. Eagles aren't playing in the Super Bowl. Our, Our winner. Patriots are. We're going to talk about the Patriots this week. That's okay.

I was, you're the one who brought the Eagles.

Okay, so Robert Kraft not getting in the hall of Fame, Bill Bellich not getting in the hall of Fame for a spell.

It.

Is there any chance at all, any chance remotely, because the voters have shown true vengeance against New England. Is there any chance at all that Tom Brady is not a first ballot hall of Famer because of this group, this cabal of voters that is keeping the Patriots out?

Yes, a hundred percent.

I think he's the only one who, who it's not.

I, I watched the, the 30 for 30 on the Four Falls Buffaloes on TV last night. I watched before bed. Bill Pulling is the biggest loser of all time. Of all time. He was talking about those teams like they won. He was like the greatest teams of all time. We were so they lost every Super Bowl. He's the biggest hater and biggest loser of all time. So, yes, I do think there's a change. I was watching, just getting mad, being like, this guy has done nothing. I don't think he's won Nothing.

Pft. I don't think there's a chance they.

Went to the Colts and barely won.

Because of what just happened with Belichick.

Because of the backlash.

If they do it again, it's basically like fold up. The fold up.

Yeah.

Pro Football Hall.

If Brady was in this class, then.

I could have been.

I could see, like, all three of them. They don't get in first ballot. But because of what happened this year, when it's time for Brady, he should. I mean, obviously Tom Brady should be a first ballot hall of Famer. Now I'm just looking at it sideways like I don't know what these guys are capable of.

Yeah, you got suspended for Deflategate. They won the game by a hundred.

Right.

I have a question. Is there a little part of you that hopes that he's not first ballot? Because you Patriots fan. Love this, though.

Wrong.

Yes, you do.

You love.

You love being disrespected.

No.

Yes.

Wrong.

Yes.

Wrong.

Wrong.

If there's respect, if there's two things, I want to be disrespectful. If there's two things I know about.

You, I'd rather be respected.

Being disrespected and hearing about PFT's $40,000 bet.

I want respect and I want my money.

When my bet hits, you'll get your money.

Okay, I think that was good. We'll probably. When we get Hot seat Cool Throne, we'll get back into this somehow.

Yeah.

No.

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My hut seat Cool throne is. Or my hut seat is Kawhi Leonard Wendy's. Oh, back again. He Quietlander's having one of the best seasons of his career. Played the amount of games you needed to play to be an all star and has been snubbed as an all star. Reserve Brian Windhorse thinks it's back to the. The scandal from earlier in the year.

The tree scandal.

Yeah. How like this Is this is payback.

Ah, okay.

Trees never forget.

Yeah.

Okay, well, that. The whole thing, that story kind of just went away.

Are the voters trees?

I think it's the NBA.

Oh, what. What do you mean the NBA?

Like they.

Who votes? Who votes for the All Star game?

This is a tough question.

We gotta get Dr. Hank. We gotta get to the bottom of this.

Dr. Hank would not know this.

Dr. Hank would know what's going on with Quiet Leonard at all times.

Is it the players?

I don't think it's the players. I think it's the coaches. Okay, but the NBA could have just told the coaches.

No, no, no, no, no, no. NBA All Stars starters are chosen by a weighted vote from fans. 50% current players, 25% reserves. I'm getting to it. And media 25. While reserves are selected by a vote of NBA head coaches, with both groups choosing players without regard to position in the current format. So.

Yeah.

Yeah. So yeah. They just could be jealous.

The coaches are mad.

Maybe they think it's the NBA has not told the coaches like they told the coaches and they just pulled his name out of the. The results.

And the NBA does such weird stuff with like at the end of the season voting the like all pro stuff and how you like it. It changes millions of dollars for these guys.

Huge.

Huge.

Makes no sense. But yeah, good theory. So that's what Wendy's theory or your theory?

Wendy's theory.

I love that.

I'm.

I'm. I mean, Wendy knows.

I also. I read that. Then I read about the James Harden thing, and I was wondering if they're, you know, if the Clippers players team is. Is getting screwed by the NBA and it's time to get out.

Ah, the walls are closing. Time to bounce.

Now. I like that theory where it's like you can't play for the Clippers because they're just gonna. They're never gonna forget about the trees.

I. I think James Harden is more likely jealous that he didn't get a tree deal. Yeah.

It also could be true.

Think one of my chopped liver over here. Like I. I love getting paid to not work. And you didn't think to kick something like that in over to me?

Lot lot to think about.

Yep. Mm.

Good job, Hank.

Thank you. My cool throne I had that had international NFL and NFL referees, I guess. I guess PGA tour. You can put them on the cool throne live. Seems to be just spontaneously combusting.

That's weird. So it's a.

Players are. Players are mad about the 72 holes.

It's a league. So hold on, let me just follow this. So you're a die hard live fan. It's a league that like tried to expand too fast internationally and you just loved it. Loved it, loved it. Now you're jumping ship.

I'm not jumping ship.

Oh, because you said. I've heard you mumbling around like live is cooked. Live is cooked. Live is cooked.

I'm not jumping. I listen. I'll be on a ship and it's burning. I'm not getting off it. Okay. I can acknowledge that it's the ship.

So name the four Aces.

I don't know who. I don't know who they replaced Patrick.

I don't know that they have.

So you. So you don't. You. You aren't a live thing.

I am a live fan.

What do you mean you can't name the four Aces?

I don't know if they've announced a replacement for Patrick Reed.

So.

Okay. Have you watched any live golf?

It's the. It's the opening week this week.

Are you going to be watching.

It's like in Radaya and it's at night. I don't know. I'll be watching live.

Oh.

It's weird time zones because it's international.

Yeah. Grow the game.

Oh, it is Miguel Tabuena.

So they did. So you are a live fan. You aren't a live fan.

Who are the four Aces now? I'll give you Miguel Toa.

That's Dustin Johnson. Thomas D. And it's another.

So you couldn't even get three of the aces.

You got another one.

I do know the other one. I don't know the other one. Also.

Thomas.

Is it Peters.

Thomas Peters.

Thomas Peters.

I know. I know live golf better than you. Brooks Kepco was like, we didn't sign up for 72. This is so did. No.

So did BR. So did active live players are saying.

That I'd be pissed too.

Paul Casey.

They got. They signed up to get way more. To get paid way more money to play way less golf.

Yep.

And now they're getting screwed.

Yeah. So yeah. I it again. I'm not. I'm on the ship till it. Till it sinks. But it. We're taking water.

Yeah. Big time. Big time taking water. Okay. Pft. Your hot seat. Cool drone.

My hot sea is earthquakes.

Yeah.

Because we. We got a taste of California earthquakes on. Was that Sunday morning.

Didn't feel it.

We woke up. So I farted and I woke up. But it also might have been an earthquake. I'm not sure. I woke up to some vibration in my bed. And then I went right back to sleep. Then I woke up later and was like, oh, that was. That might not have been a fart. That might have been an earthquake.

It was not close to us, the epicenter.

Yeah.

So I really. I would like to feel a little bit of an earthquake. Just a tiny bit.

We talked about it.

Yeah.

Right when we got here.

This PFT had a crazy, crazy take.

Oh, probably not as crazy as I. I screwed up yesterday. And I said, I want to.

I want to.

8.2. And then we looked up 8 point twos, and it was catastrophic.

That's pretty much my take.

We were like 200,000 people, minimum, died in 8.2.

That's. That's pretty much my take. We were standing on the banks of the bay. We were looking out over the Golden Gate bridge, which is beautiful, by the way. And I said it'd be kind of cool, like, if. If there's going to be the big one while we're out here. If it's going to happen anyways. It'd be kind of cool if it happened right now. So we could see the bridge, like, swaying back and forth. And then Hank was like, you're insane, man. That's crazy.

No.

Yeah.

We're on a cliff that could just slide into the ocean.

You'd survive.

There's no sharks in there, Hank.

I don't think I understand earthquakes.

Okay, let's.

Let's unpack tectonic plates.

I know that you can't put food on.

They move against each other. They're going up like this like that, and they. And they rumble.

So a cliff could just slide into the o?

Well, no. So the ground underneath, like, underneath hits each other and it shakes, and that makes everything above it move.

I'm gonna have to do some independent research.

I would love to see your findings on this. Yeah, I take back 8.2. Definitely don't want to. 8.2.

Yeah.

I think I would like. I would like another 4.1 or whatever. It was Monday, just maybe a little bit closer so I can feel it a little bit.

A five? What about a five?

I actually. My real. My real wish, because we got in. In the car from the airport memes in the car, and I was saying I wanted to feel a little earthquake, and Brandon started freaking out, and I was like, wouldn't it be funny if we had, like, a 3.5 earthquake and there was just one death? It was Brandon from anxiety. So the actual earthquake didn't kill him.

Heart attack.

Yeah. Would be funny. You'd laugh.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, we would. We'd be sad, but we would also laugh.

But, Hank, if it's gonna. My whole point was, if it's gonna happen, why not have it happen when we're able to watch it from the coolest possible standpoint, if it wasn't a.

Cliff overlooking the ocean.

Yeah, what a way to go.

But.

What a way to go.

Yeah. But also, pfc, you don't want this right before your big bet.

I know.

What if they had to delay the Super Bowl?

I know. So my cool throne is the Patriots, because guess what? After this game, the Patriots will have played in 20 of all Super Bowls.

Wow.

How about that?

It's awesome, man.

Hank is. Hank has opted out. He is unsubscribed from this email.

We'll be back on Thursday. Don't worry. My other cool throne is shields. Oh, I got shields on the cool throne. The commanders have soft launched a new logo.

Oh.

Which has everybody in D.C. very excited because there's a shield and now there's spears on it. So it's not just that stupid W that we have anymore. We got. We got a shield now. This is something that.

That's pretty cool.

This is something that a loser franchise would really care about. Well, winter franchises are playing in the super bowl, but the shield is. It makes the W better.

We have a few new logos kind of hovering around the Falcons. And then I think the Titans, too.

Yeah, yeah, Titans.

Get rid of the fire, though.

I don't know.

There's a guy who's like, bad move. I. I apologize because I don't know his actual Twitter account. Sorry about this, but I'm shouting you out. There's a guy who's been on this for, like, months, and he's basically been picking up clues, being like, I think. I think the Titans are going to change everything. There's like a whole. There's a whole thing that happens before. I think the Rams are also changing their logo because they put all of the jerseys on sale in the NFL shop right before they change it. And the Titans have done that and the new stadium. And he's like, there's some renderings with some new stuff. I think it might just be the sword, which would be cool.

So, yeah, this is what. What many are speculating.

Pretty cool logo.

The new commander's logo.

It's pretty cool, that shield.

Hank, what do you think?

That's pretty damn cool.

It looks like the shield. Little evil.

Yeah. Good, good. You like the Spears?

Kind of looks Like, I actually like.

It looks like a Star wars like, vibe.

That's cool. Yeah.

Yeah.

Cool.

That's cool.

That's cool.

So this is. Yeah, this is very exciting times.

All right, my hut seat is. I have two. One. Is that that rat punk Satani Phil. He said six more weeks of winter. I hate that hedgehog or whatever he is.

Do you have the Phil stat for our Patriots?

I don't have that.

Five out of the six times we won a Super Bowl, Phil has seen his shadow, so.

Oh.

Oh, awesome. Let's go.

Let's go.

Where's. Me and Hank are still back.

Oh, for people who aren't watching. Did you see the fist bump? And Hank had a full cup of hot coffee. Coffee. And spilled it all over.

He just knocked it all over.

How am I to blame for that? You just fist bumped me with a cup of coffee.

This is so cold.

That's my.

Yeah, that. I said that. I think that we should put. Anytime Phil does this to us, we should put him in a crock pot and just get a new fill.

Yeah, I. I directly in a crock pot. Is there. Is there a sad about how frequently he s. He sees the shadow?

I don't know. It feels like he does it every year.

Yeah.

Loser.

So wait, Hank, what's the set? Every time he sees his shadow, The Patriots win.

Five out of six times.

Five out of six times.

5 out of 6 times. They've won. They've. He's seen a shadow. They've won. Correct. And when was the last one that. What was the one? We've really gotten deep in these stats. He's looking for it. He's looking for it. Filibuster.

Last time was 2017, so he didn't in 2019. So the most recent.

Okay, got it. Okay.

What about 2002-2004-2005-2015, 2017.

What happened in 2018 against the Birds?

I don't know.

What happened when you lost the Super Bowl?

That's what I'm saying.

Oh, okay.

Let's see.

It seems like a. When you come with your stats. Come with them a little bit better.

No, this is what you always do. Like, I gave a stat, and you just literally dive in.

We don't. We ask questions.

Research, and done a bibliography on your stat. Like what?

Well, I mean, when PFC comes to stats, it comes. He comes to stats.

It's.

I worry about wins.

Okay. But not a real stat.

Okay, here we go.

Data.

It's.

It's a stupid ground.

You got it.

2018. More winter, he saw a shadow. And then, Then the Patriots lost.

What happened?

2018, they. They lost to the Eagles. Nick Foles.

Thank you.

Pfd.

All right, so we're adding context. This is what good stats do.

Yeah, yeah.

They.

They inspire us to do more research and add more.

My other hot seat is I. I went to the diner this morning. What. What do you guys order when you're by yourself at a diner? Because I feel like I, I might be a little too. I might. I might be a little too aggressive with my order. What do you order if you sit down at a diner by yourself?

We're talking breakfast.

Breakfast.

I'll go like, a tradition, traditional, like two eggs, hash browns, side of bacon, or sausage. And then sometimes I'll do, like, a pancake.

Okay.

Or pancakes. Eggs.

Oh, so I'm not that far off.

Yesterday I did pancakes, oatmeal, bacon, bacon.

Today I did.

And pft. Came over, was like, this is all for you.

I. Today I did.

Yeah.

I did a yogurt parfait.

Well, you had the pancake sitting in front of the other chair at the table, so I didn't know if somebody else was with you.

I did a yogurt parfait, two eggs, bacon, potatoes, waffle.

Yeah, It's a pretty good order.

You do.

Well, you do the, the table cakes.

I do.

Yourself, Right?

Yes. But then I also added the yogurt parfait, which was probably aggress. I realized as it came out. It all came out at the same time.

You need the yogurt parfait as an appetizer.

You need it to, like, cool you down. It was my body temperature. Well, I kind of mix it in.

Okay.

Because I get overheated as I go.

Okay.

And then I like to cool it down. It's like a nuclear reactor. You got to keep the rods.

Yeah.

Nice and cool. And then my cool throne is Lindsey Vaughn, who. I didn't even know she was still skiing. Yeah, she is. I, I, I assumed because she was skiing, she probably crashed, which she did. She tore her acl, but she's still going to compete.

Beast. Beast.

Yeah, I saw she tore acl. I thought that was it.

Yeah, I was gonna say that's a crazy cool throne. If she just tore her acl. How, How. How could one possibly compete?

John Elway played his entire career with the torn acl.

Phil Rivers.

I feel like skiing is.

I, I, Is it bad that, like, I didn't know Lindsay Vaughn was back until she crashed? Like, I also didn't know the first time I knew that she was back was Lindsay Vaughn crashes. It's like. Oh, that makes sense.

Yeah.

But I feel like she crashes a lot.

It's. She. She's torn both ACLs before, so this is the second time she's tearing one of them. I hope she wins. That'd be awesome. If she won with. That'd be very acl.

My prediction. Crash.

Another crash.

Yeah, I think she's gonna probably crash. Okay, Max, because Zach's not here, but we can feel him because we're all sick.

Yeah, no, we're not gonna get sick. We're just. If. I don't say if.

We know.

If we just say that we're not sick, we're not going to get sick. My hot seat is Caitlyn Clark.

Oh, why?

Because she was on some halftime show with Reggie Miller and Reggie Miller.

What? Halftime show up, Please do your research.

Got you there.

I don't know who's NBC?

What was it maybe a basketball halftime?

It was.

Was it afton. I don't even know if it was halftime.

It wasn't pre game.

Okay, well, they were talking about who they were talking about. They asked Reggie Miller, what game does Caitlin Clark remind him of? And he said, Peyton Pritchard. And she was not happy.

No, she was not happy. She's not happy.

That's disrespectful.

This is Pain Bridge is a great player.

I think Steph Curry.

Steph Curry. I think she was hoping for Steph Curry.

Yeah.

I also like that Hank has raised the bar of this podcast where you better come correct. Yeah, well, your stories, facts, everything. Well, it was demand excellence.

No, you demand excellence from just me, and now I'm demanding it from everyone else. Okay, so it's credit to you.

Well, I mean, I don't have to demand excellence from PFT because he's excellent.

Hank, I got a question for you. Do you think that, like, could that be a compliment? Because Payne Pritchard is known for hitting those long shots at the end of quarters.

Pain Bridge is awesome. Awesome player.

Yeah, he is a little.

It's good. It's good motivation for.

For pp.

I'm happy.

I saw.

People are gonna. People are disrespecting him.

This is motivation for Caitlin Clark.

No, he's been catching ricochets left and right, being like, how like, Peyton Pritchard's a bum. How dare you compare him to him. And so that's gonna. That's gonna fuel him.

Well, I think the. The fairness is that Caitlin Clark is the best player in the wnba. Or if not the best top five.

She's changing the game.

I don't know if Peyton Pritchard's a top five NBA player.

Yeah, the.

I saw a tweet today that said there's a non zero chance that we've. They're just never going to play WNBA again. Man, I thought that was interesting.

Yeah.

What's going on?

There's gonna be a lockout.

Oh, yeah.

Well, that 3v3 thing that I didn't even know existed, but nice they you didn't.

Explain more.

If you, if you know a lot about it, explain more.

Go ahead.

Two foreign players started three on three league in the off season so that the players don't have to travel to Europe and they can still play and get paid. And they've been selling out arenas. It's doing really well.

Wow.

That was pretty good.

Got you.

Pretty good.

We're in a dangerous territory. We might have to put our gun guns down because I don't. I'm scared of Hank.

Hank.

Hank.

Demanding excellence from us. I don't know if we can reach that bar. You Cool Tone.

Cool throne will be Baboni.

Oh, bad Bonnie.

The Grammys happened on Sunday. Didn't really know that that was happening until we got into the.

Nope.

Editing room.

I boycotted because there's no podcasting category. And I also forgot that the Grammys were on.

Yeah.

Yep. Did you?

Yeah, there was a.

There was.

I think it was on the Athletic. They, like, asked a bunch of players in the, in the super bowl if they like Bad Bunny. Everyone's like, I don't think that we should have this guy doing the Super Bowl. It's like, okay, why? And who cares? I, I, I don't care about the super bowl halftime show. No, I'm just going to say it right now.

Not at all.

My super bowl halftime show is Ben Mintz.

Yeah. My super bowl halftime show is also like taking a poop.

Yeah.

Seeing what live bets I can make. Yes.

Going to the spread.

Right. Eating food. Like, is it okay to just say. I'm gonna say it. The super bowl halftime show is, is, is for chicks.

It's great when you're there.

Yeah.

The Lady Gaga performance in Houston is one of the best live performances I've ever seen. And I became a huge Lady Gaga fan.

Okay.

So then I take it back. And I'm not saying this for chicks.

Women in the stadium.

Women also love football, but, like, for.

The bunny has some bangers for the.

Majority of, like, people. I don't, I don't Think the average NFL fan is like, man, I hope this super bowl halftime show is awesome.

No, I don't give a.

The Katy Perry one in Arizona was pretty cool. She came out on that tiger.

Yeah.

It's just gonna be a bunch of people complaining about it anyway. We already know how this is gonna go.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Janet. The Janet Jackson may have been my first boob that I saw.

First boo.

First boob ever.

Wow.

Could have been.

That's good.

New segment.

Rihanna was sick.

What?

It's gonna happen. Okay, let's get to. So like I said at the start of the show, Draymond Green, we interviewed him on Monday. We got. He hung out with us for like an hour and a half, hour and 15 minutes. And we were planning on saving it for after the super bowl, but it was such a good interview. We're like, we have to run this right now. So there are some times when, during the interview, I think we said, we're going to run this in a week. Let's pretend you got traded.

We.

We. We're running it right away because it was that good. And then we have Scott Zolak on the other side of Draymond Green. And then we're going to do guys on Hank. Before we do that. Pft. Do you have a challenge for Max?

Yeah. So we did the Lefty or the Pepsi Challenge with. With memes earlier. I want to see if Max has good taste or bad taste, because I. I'm not as confident in Max as I was in memes. So, Max, we've got two drinks up there. It's the. The Pepsi paradox. It's the idea when labels and bias disappear, that an astute cola drinker such as yourself will prefer the taste of Pepsi. And it's a phenomenon, I think we've seen this time and time again, that people with good taste prefer Pepsi zero sugar. So I'm. This is more a referendum on Max, whether or not he has good taste or bad taste.

I'm really excited for this. Not because I get to drink two sodas, but I'm excited to.

Oh, that's what. I didn't even realize you do.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You got Pepsi zero sugar. And people think normally it tastes better than Coke zero sugar, so.

All right, I'm gonna.

I'm gonna.

I'm gonna go for it.

All right.

First one.

Yep.

Nice sip.

You can have more if you want.

Yeah, it's good.

It's delicious.

That's.

That's. That's cup A, cup B.

Your B cup, man.

Okay.

It's Also pretty good.

Oh, Max is hitting us.

Just proving that Max likes soda.

Okay, Science. Science works. Which one do you like more? Pick it.

All right, I've made my decision.

Yeah. And reveal as you.

I'm nervous. I'm nervous.

Come on, you got this.

I'm nervous.

I'm going to go with cup B as the one I like Lee less.

What? What?

Why wouldn't you do the one you like more first? Do I do more or less the one you like more?

Like cup A better is what you're.

Saying I like better?

Reveal. Cup A. Cup A is. Oh, Coke.

Zero sugar.

Max is back.

Idiots.

Terrible taste. Taste.

Bad taste.

You have questionable taste. Max.

Don't be like Max.

We knew that Max had questionable taste.

Don't be like Max.

You blew it.

You deserve taste. You deserve Pepsi. Zero sugar. Let your taste decide. Go try today. Taste, superiority. Pepsi. Zero sugar. And now here's Draymond Green.

Okay. We now welcome on a very, very, very, very, very special guest. It is four time NBA champion Draymond Green, also podcaster, the Draymond Green Show. I actually wanted to talk about that first. Sir, do you think it's a little unfair that you, like, you have four NBA titles, you're an all time player on an all time team, and then you're also podcasting and kind of taking food out of our mouths?

You guys got the best podcast in the world.

I appreciate that. I was fishing for a compliment. It worked.

Absolutely. So, you know, I just get the little crumbs at the bottom.

But we can't go out and play basketball, so.

But I can't go out and do what you do.

Oh, you have a pretty good podcast.

And I, Yeah, I do want to pay. Pay respect to you as a podcaster. I feel like you take it seriously.

Yeah.

And you're very good at it. Sometimes it's a little bit unfair what you do where you have a game and. And you do something in the game. You get into a fight, get teed up, and I think sometimes you do it just so that you can get the numbers up on the next podcast when you explain why you did that, which is a genius move.

Yeah.

Well, you know, and having the platform, sometimes you got to do something to give the platform something to spark it up a little bit.

Yeah.

So. But I take a beating for that, though.

Yeah, you do. But as a podcaster, I respect it though.

I appreciate it. You know, the podcast world is definitely respected, but in every other world. Yeah. Crushed.

Is it? Have you noticed any difference? Like what now? That you're, you're doing it routinely, like in the locker room. Everyone's like, oh, is he going to talk about this on the podcast? Or, you know, because that happens in our, like, office where anything that gets said can be said on air.

No, I think I have a little bit more discernment than people realize.

Yeah.

I know what to say and what not to say from the locker room. You know, I try to, I always try to hold that line. Yeah, I don't try. I always do hold that line. Yeah, I know how important it is to be on a team. I know the makeups of a team. You know, I've been on a team my whole life, so I always hold that line in regards. You know, the reality is people are dumb as shit because they're dumb as shit. If you say anything, they don't know anything. So if you say anything, they're like, oh my God, this guy's giving all the secrets to the locker, when in fact you're just fucking dumb. So, you know, that's kind of how it goes.

It's true. Have you ever been, like, had a clip taken out of context and when they read just the words that you said without the stuff around it and all that, like, it gets misinterpreted all the time. Yeah.

Which also shows you how dumb people are.

Yeah.

Because you just took this, this little excerpt of that was all of 15 seconds of a 5 minute segment and you ran with it.

Yeah.

You don't know anything around it. And so I, I find that often. But they say you want to hide something, put it in a book, and you want to hide something from these people, you put it on the show and then you type it up and release it and they won't see any of it. So I get that often.

But it's got to feel good, though, being able to control your own message where like, you know, in, in days past, it's like, all right, well, you got to wait for the post game. Or maybe a writer comes up to you. Now you can just say everything that you feel.

You know, when I started the podcast, I had no idea that that's what it would do for me.

Yeah.

And in saying that, that is one of the things I appreciate most about it. It's like, you don't have to go here, you don't have to go there. If you want to know what I think is right here, you know, and also to have that outlet, like, there's been times where, you know, I've needed to just get on there and like let it all out. It's hard to do that in a five minute interview, a three minute interview, you know. And so I've, I've, that's what I found as I got into the podcast space. It was almost like a, A, an indirect consequence that. Not quite, Quite a consequence.

Yeah.

And I appreciate it, but I had no idea that that's what it would do for me. Yeah.

Because I mean, media narratives, I mean we're, we, we run with any narrative. There's a million that have been written about you. I actually had a question about that, which. So I think both these are probably not true. But if you had to pick one that was more close to the truth. Truth is it you begged KD to come to the warriors or you ran KD out of town.

The one that is closer to the truth is, let's see.

Because it is funny how that works. You were responsible for both.

Exactly.

You got, you, you begged him to join and then you, you made him leave.

And begging him to join, no one said thank you. Running him out of town. Everybody said you.

Yes. Yeah, exactly.

Kind of double edged sword, man. But I would say the one that is probably closest to the truth is I ran him out of town. Oh, okay. Cause I'm not begging anyone for that. Yeah, yeah. I've worked too hard in my life to beg anyone for anything. Quite honestly though, if we didn't win the year before, he was going to leave then. So I don't quite know if I ran him up. Yeah, right. But I. What? I'll take that one.

Okay, that's fair. That's fair.

Yeah.

I, I do have one thing that you said on the show that I, I will take exception to. Maybe you can tell me if I took it out of context. I don't think that I did. After Deli cooked your ass in the finals, you said deli stinks. He won two games in the NBA Finals with Deli. You were talking about LeBron. I got a lot of. This is actually my favorite quote of all time. I got a lot of respect for Deli. He stinks. I respect him completely. Stinks. Do you respect him? It doesn't sound like you respect him.

I have so much respect for Matthew Dellvedova to come from Australia, go to a small college in St. Mary's have zero athleticism.

You're getting close to the non respect party.

He has zero athleticism. And yet the man was like guarding the hell out of Steph Curry.

Yeah.

You know, like that is sure will determination, like grit A knowledge of the game that people don't give them credit for. Like, you can't be that unathletic but that effective if you don't have an extremely high basketball iq. And so I have a ton of respect for Deli. Cause he's so, so hard nosed. But like, both things can be true. Like, I can have a ton of respect for him and he stink. And that's. And that's just what it is. Like, you know, respect and smelling good doesn't quite go together. He stinks.

Yeah. So.

But I respect him.

It's like you're saying that, that you respect the fact that he's so unathletic that he was able to overcome that and become a good basketball player.

Yes. And like, what, What, Deli play eight, nine years in the NBA?

Yeah.

Like, come on, man. That's. That's incredible. That is to be respected. But make no mistake about it, he still stinks.

Okay, all right, I'm getting closer to understanding what you're saying there, so I'll back off a little bit. I think I have more respect for deli than you do.

No, no, not at all.

Is it. We're gonna get a respect off.

Yeah.

I respect deli so much.

No, I got a ton of respect for deli, man. A ton of respect.

Can you do a deli impression?

Yeah, mate.

Yeah, it's pretty good. You do respect Deli. I believe you.

I believe you.

You said something there. Basketball iq. Do you think that I, I would argue that you have prob. If not the highest, top five basketball IQ right now in the NBA? Do you think, like you. I've heard you say that the game is actually slowed down for you on, especially the defensive end, where, you know things are going to happen before they happen. Do you think that's fair to say that you have one of the highest?

Yeah, for sure. I think, you know, that's, you know, and speaking of Deli, I'm not that athletic myself, but that's what's gotten me by, you know, is just knowing more, knowing the game, being able to see things before they happen. But I definitely 1000% have a top five basketball IQ in the NBA for sure.

Who else is on there?

LeBron's IQ is off the charts. Joker has a very high basketball iq. Let's go. So I'll say myself, Brian Joker. No particular order. Just throwing out the five. Myself, Braun Joker.

Steph's got to be in there.

I mean, Chris Paul is still technically in the NBA.

He is.

Chris Paul is smart.

As hell. Right. So I gotta go with Chris. And then the problem with Steph is it's not that he doesn't have a basketball iq, it's that he almost gets dropped down because his shot can get him out of any problem.

Right.

You know, so when you shoot the ball as well as he does, you don't always have to think.

Rely on it.

Yeah.

You can shoot your way out of it, you know, and it's a different thing. So that's the problem with Steph for me.

Yeah.

It's like he shoot the ball so well that you could just shoot your way out of the problem. You don't necessarily have to always think about the problem, but extremely high basketball IQ for sure. The fifth one I'll have to go with.

Campaign.

No way, Luca. Yeah.

Okay.

Lucas. Lucas. Smart as hell. And James Harden. James Harden does not get credit for his basketball iq, but you cannot run an entire offense like James Harden does. Getting everybody to the correct spots with. No matter who's on the floor with you.

Yeah.

And still be able to do that. I think James Harden IQ is very underrated.

I had a question about Steph.

When you.

You've been playing with him for so long, does he have a different look when you know it's going to be one of those nights where it's like, oh, this he's going to make everything 1000%. That has to be the best feeling ever.

Absolutely. I. I'll take it a step further for you. I can see in his run, like, how he takes off running of where he's at, you know, and when he's in that mold, man, it is one of the best feelings ever. Because you know what it does to a team like there. As incredible as Steph is, I think the thing that stands out to me most about him is like, any guy in the NBA can get it going. When he gets it going. What it does to a defense is different than anything we've ever seen. And I think that's one of the most impressive things about it. But I could see it, like, right away. Yeah.

The gravitational pull where it's like every. The whole defense is basically focus on just him and then everyone else is open.

Absolutely. And you know, sometimes even for him, like, the defense is so keyed on him that it's even just hard for him to get the pass out. Right. You got four or five guys over the top now, but there will never be a player guarded like that again. Like, the way he's guarded. The NBA has never seen it. And will Never see it again. That's why. When everybody's complaining about, yo, like, why are they grabbing him like that? You know? Like, why are they. Like, why are the referees not calling these fouls? I think it's unfair, too. But again, if there was a guy to come about, say, 10 years from now, and he moved like, Steph without the ball, and was that dangerous, I think the NBA would actually do better at calling those fouls. Yeah, but this is the first time they've ever seen that. It's not as easy to referee as people think it is.

And he never stops moving. That's the craziest part about Steph, is when you watch him and you're just like, how is he. He literally just stops moving.

He doesn't. It's incredible. But his level of conditioning, like, to do that, like, sometimes, like, he's. Sometimes he's even just moving without a purpose. Like, but. But that's just who he is. Like, he's just going to continue moving, but then, boom. And a quick beat. He just take off, you know? But it's. It is. I always tell, like, your defensive possession starts with Steph when he. When he gets off the ball.

Like.

Like, now the possession starts. Right. And people haven't figured it out yet.

Seventeen years later, what is it about when he starts to run? What can you see when it's like, it's gonna be one of those nights?

Well, I can't give that secret away just yet because then people will be able to read it, and I don't know that they need to, but there's a certain run he has when he's in, and, like, there's a certain run he has when his mind, like, I'm not really here tonight. I'm here in the physical.

He's locked in, but I'm not really.

Truly locked in in this tonight. There's a certain way he run when he locked in. It looks a little different.

Yeah. Yeah.

Back to the basketball IQ thing. Is there an art to setting a perfect screen?

Yeah, 1,000%.

Is that something that you've honed over the years?

Absolutely. And playing for time, Izzo, you know, we spoke about Coach Izzo. You cannot play for Tom Izzo if you don't screen. And what. What you work on every day is how to screen, like screening, positioning, foot positioning, and you gotta put your body on someone, or Coach Izzo gonna call you soft. And every other word in the book that you don't wanna hear. Screen positioning, we work on every day. And how to guard ball Screens we work on every single day at Michigan State. And so I've always known how to screen, and I've gotten better and better as my career has gone on, but that was required for me at Michigan State. But I think a couple things you need to understand. One, most importantly, who it is that you're screening for, because who it is that you're screening for changes the type of screen you need, right? For Steph, I need to screen a little higher because the defense is going to be so glued to his body that in order for me to get the screen off, I have to screen a little higher. For most guys, you need to screen a little more on the lower side to give them the possibility to turn the corner.

Right. But for Steph, they're up so high. In order for me to give him the chance to turn the corner, my screen has to be a little higher. It can be on the low side, but also on the flip side of that, no one's going under a Steph Curry pick and roll. So I can set the screen as high as I want to, because guess what you're going to do? You're going to chase over, because if you go under, you're dead anyway. And so it's all about understanding who it is that you're screening for and then what it is that you're trying to get out of this screen. Right. Am I trying to get this guy basket out of the screen? Am I trying to get the first domino to fall to create this out of the screen? But I think there's a few different things that you need to understand going into the screen.

Yeah. Is there an art on the roll after the screen, like how to keep that screen going for an extra half second as you're rolling away 1,000%, depending.

On based on how your guy is guarding you and how this guy's guarding Steph is going to determine my role? Do I need to open up and roll to create this space? Do I need to quick slip off the roll and get out of it to create the pocket fast? Because they're trapping. You know, it's different. Different things based on how they're guarding that will determine how I'm getting out of my screen?

It's. It's almost beautiful to watch when you're rolling out of a screen and you do take that step, and it's like you add in an extra screen as you're cutting to wherever you need to be, and it really does open up.

The offense level a thousand percent. You know, you add a little Bit to. To the screen.

It's not a moving screen. You're rolling.

No, I'm getting out.

Yeah, yeah. I'm trying to leave.

Yeah, absolutely. You gotta, you know, you gotta learn a few tricks of the trade, you know, gray area. Yeah, the.

You mentioned Izzo. One of my favorite things that happens pretty much every single year is Tom Izzo loses his shit, yells at a player, maybe grabs a player. Everyone freaks out and is like, the coach can't do that. And then pretty much every single guy that played for him comes out and is like, no, that's totally fine. I love it. Because it's just like, everyone has his back. They're like, he. The. Like, this is a coach who will coach you hard, but he loves you and that. And that's the best type of coach, 1000%.

Because if you're just watching from the outside in, you're like, oh, my God, I can't believe he just spoke to him like that. However, you haven't seen the hundred hours of meetings and work that this man has done on that relationship. So if you're just looking at it, you're judging this based off how he should speak to you because you don't know him. Right. And he don't know you.

Right.

You're not judging based off how he should speak to that guy. He's coaching because of the relationship that they have. And so when we all come to his defense, it's because we know the amount of time that he spent building that relationship up so he can do that very thing. You know, he's just not out the gate like, yo.

Ah.

Like, no, he's out the gate like, yo, come to my office. Let's go to lunch. Let's sit here and watch film. Let's do this. How you doing? What's going on back home? How's your mom? How's your dad? How's your brother? Heard your little sister struggling with this thing. That's all the stuff out the gate, right? By the time you see him go completely ape on someone, he's done so much work that he has the right to. To do that.

Yeah.

But guess what? And what makes him special and what we all appreciate about him is he has a rule. Hey, if I speak to you guys like that, I can't just sit on this high horse in this pedestal, and you can't say anything back to me. Say any. Say something back. Tell me how you feel. The worst thing you can do to him is go silent. Yeah, because he gets so mad at that. Because he don't know what you're thinking. Right. So he say something back. But then he always tell us, but if you come in the kitchen, bring the goods, because I got hundreds of hours of film where you doing it like this. And I'm gonna take you right to that film and show you why I'm yelling. Right. And so it's a give or take. It's a relationship that goes both ways. And, you know, we all appreciate him, man.

Yeah.

Like, the love that we have for Tom is a. So we always.

You can feel it. And it is. It is very funny to watch because it's a lot of people who don't know him, like, make casting judgment, and then the people that know him the best being like, no, that's totally fine. That's how he coaches, and that's why he's been so successful so many years, 1,000%.

And why we all have the success we have after we leave him.

Yeah.

Whether that's in basketball, whether that's in business, whatever it is when you've been coached up like that, when you've been given the game that he gives us, like, the trajectory of your life changes after you meet Thomas.

Yeah, I got a question about that, too. Getting drafted by the warriors and, like, playing with Steph, it, obviously, and Steve Kerr, who I want to talk about as well, like, the way they were able to unlock your skill set. Do you think about, like, if you had gotten drafted somewhere else, if your, like, career had just would have been just totally different?

I think draft positioning, draft place, I think that's one of the most important things for anyone in this league. You know, I always speak about when young guys fail. No one ever says it's the organization fault. It's always that guy's fault. He did this. He was this way. Ah, it's never your organization fault. I hate that. Because then on the flip side, it's always the organization.

Right.

And do I think it would have looked different for me?

Of course.

Like, I've had the opportunity to play with two greatest shooters to ever touch a basketball. And I am an incredible screener. I'm an incredible passer. And so I'm going to benefit from that because it enhances my skill set. It allows me to really dive into what I do. Great. However, there's always this narrative of, like, yo, your career would have been so different had you not got drafted to the Warriors. But people tend to forget I've been here for so long that I actually came here when the warriors were shit.

Yeah, you were drafted to a bad warriors team.

I wasn't drafted to, like, you know, people look today and they're like, oh, man, like, if he wasn't drafted to the warriors, he'd be shit. But no one said when I got drafted to the warriors that that was going to be the key to my success. I made that success.

And also, I mean, like, even if you're talking about before KD came, like, you playing at the five, like, that's. That's not something that a guy usually your size can. Can do that. And the warriors did it. And then you basically made. Not. I'm saying you made it all go. But I always, like, watch the.

The.

You know, your first championship is like, Draymond is the chess piece that teams don't have here that he can. He allows them to do stuff because you can guard so many positions that made it so it was like such an exciting new basketball.

No. Yeah, I appreciate that. I think that was, you know, at the end of the day, we all benefited off each other's skill set. Me, me, me. Being able to guard bigger than my size, you know, allowed us to play faster.

Right?

You know, once we. Once. That allowed us to play faster, it helped everyone, you know, it helped our entire group. Because now everything's fast. The shooting, the cutting, things are happening at warp speed. Well, if you put a seven foot center there that moves a bit slower, it's not happening at that same speed. You're not getting the same advantages, you know. And so I think all of our skill sets, you know, really helped each other. And that is the importance of having a great general manager to put together a great team to where your skill sets benefit each other. If we go get five guys with the same skill set, I'm gonna show you a very shitty team because that's never gonna work, you know, so. But in saying that, you never get me to say or not you in general, but just saying in general, you never get me to say that this place did not play a role in my success. You know, I've been here for 14 years. The continuity that we've had, the skill sets that we've been able to bring together, of course it played a role in my success.

But I really laugh when people like, yo, he's so lucky he went to the Warriors. Like, no, man, these people won 23 games a year before I got here. Yeah, I was not lucky. The warriors were the laughing stock of the NBA when I arrived at the Warriors. But what a compliment that people think that, like, how great I must have done for people to say that because they don't even have a recollection of me passing out tickets, downtown Oakland for free and getting on the BART as a team activity, giving out free tickets as a rookie. They don't even have a recollection of that. How much success you must have had for them to not even have a record.

You're selling tickets. Yeah, I mean, yeah. It's fair to say that if you have elite shooters, it shows how valuable a person with your skill set can be. It maximizes that value. And it's like, yeah, this guy is a key part of any sort of championship culture because you had that talent also around you. It's really. You're right. It's like the perfect mix of skill sets at the perfect time created the perfect basketball team, which is something that nobody else can say. It's like, that's an amazing accomplishment. And when you got to the warriors, when they, when they decided, when Steve Kerr was like, like, I've got this idea for the death lineup to go small on him, what was that installation process of that offense like? Did everyone buy in immediately? Were they like, yeah, this can work, or was like, this is kind of crazy. I'm not sure if it's going to pan out, but we'll give it a shot.

You know what's interesting? And then just going back, like taking a trip back in time. It wasn't a thing. It was just like, yo, like any other rotation in the game. Right. Like, I don't know if people realize, everyone always get into this, like, why are coaches subbing like that? Why? Coaches have substitution patterns. They have these substitutions written down, written down on a sheet of paper before the game even starts. Right. And they're just going off that sheet. Yes. Every now and then a coach is going to say, all right, we're not doing that one though. We're going to plug. But for the most part, they've gone through analytics, they've done all of these things. Well, we know this type. This lineup that they play at this time matches up awful against this type of lineup. So this is the lineup we're doing. Like these, these things are really drawn out long beforehand, you know. And so when we started the def lineup, though, getting a little old, it wasn't quite as drawn out, you know. And so that was just kind of like, oh, we're going with this lineup. Right. We want to get our five best players on the floor.

Myself, Steph, Clay, Harrison and Andre. Sometimes Harrison can be Sean Livingston, but We want to get our best players on the court. Okay, that's the lineup we're going with when we need to close games and get our best. And it kind of just morphed into what it became. Yeah, it wasn't like this idea of like, oh, man, we're gonna go with this small lineup and it's gonna hurt. Teams like this. You kind of just fell into it, you know, like. And then once you see, oh, we can guard. Because that's the real test.

Any lineup playing center.

Right. Like, once you see, like, oh, well, this lineup, give people hell because they can't keep up with it, but we can actually guard them on the other end. Then it kind of morphed into like, oh, it's this def lineup. And it was given a name and all of these things. But initially it wasn't like some big deal. It kind of just like, all right, this is the lineup we're going to now. And we just fell into it and it was so dangerous. It kept growing and growing and then there became different iterations of it.

And I. I got a dumb question. It's whatever. I just wondering the feeling of it. Of it, you know, the death lineup in those warriors teams. How awesome was it when you guys. Because I feel like when I think about those warriors teams, I think about just watching a game and having it be you guys maybe down five or even a tie game, and then three minutes later, you're up 15. How sick was that? We were just like this. This is just the best thing ever.

Yeah, you. It was.

Because it really would. It would be like that. You'd blink and you'd be like, what the fuck just happened?

1,000%. It was, it was. It was a. Misleading for us. And what I mean by misleading for us was sometimes it would allow you to cheat where you wouldn't.

You'd be like, we'll just come back from anything.

No, like, oh, they're up 10. Yeah, we'll cover that in two minutes, no problem. Yes, you would, though. And so in turn, it'll kind of lead you down this path sometimes that. You know, the old cliche I play every possession and every game. Like, it'll kind of lead you down this path that we all know is not the right path we should be headed. Yeah, right. But in doing so, you also know, like, yo, we can turn it on and flip this thing in two minutes if. And so there was always this feeling that felt great of, we're never out of the game, or, yo, we about to just blow these Dudes out, like, they didn't let us stay. We're up to. We're down 2 for too long. We about to blow these dudes out. And so it was always great having that feeling of just knowing you're never out of a game and you can take over a game at any moment. Yeah, it would be. You'd be more shocked at the time. For us, you'd be more shocked when it didn't happen, right? You're like, oh, shit. Like, we just tried to turn it on.

It didn't work. It was. Very seldom. It didn't work, but when it didn't, you like, man, what went wrong there? How did it. You go back and watch the film. Like, ah, all right. They hit shot here. We couldn't get this ball right. But it was. It was more surprising when it didn't.

And off that. You guys also, like the patented. When I also think about the warriors teams, it's the third quarter, and so what. What would happen at halftime where. Because it would just be every third quarter, there was that stretch where no matter what, third quarter would happen, it would be a tie game, and then they'd be. You guys would be up 20.

So I think for us, number one is. Again, we've always been guarded differently than any team has ever been guarded in the history of the NBA. So, number one, you're gonna have to see what it is that they're doing. You know, we're like, all right, they're doing this. This. How we gonna pick this apart and pick it apart, and you're gone. But I'm gonna tell you, this part of it that no one seems to understand or talk about ever. And that's. You know, how it's. A team sometimes can become snake bitter. Like, they get this kind of mentality of, like, all of a sudden, something go wrong a few times, and then they get to that point in the game, and you can see them start to go, oh, shit. Like, here I go again. Is it gonna go wrong? We were the opposite, right? And so for us mentally and for other teams mentally, you have a few great third quarters, and people see this, they start to believe it, we start to believe it, you know, and so then it's kind of this perfect storm of like, all right, well, we now believe in this third quarter thing, right?

And now we know you believe in it.

Yeah. Cause the other coach is probably telling them, hey, watch out.

Third quarter.

They're gonna jump on us.

And all of a sudden, Steph come out and hit two threes. Clay Come out and hit two threes. Don't let me hit one. And you can see on their face, like, here it go.

Yeah.

And so it was a mental thing as well. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't just like, what we were doing so much physically. It was a mental edge that we had as well, of. We start doing these third quarters, everybody start talking about it, we start to believe it, Other teams start to believe it. It's like game six, Clay, right? Like the phenomenon that is game six, Clay. Clay had a couple good game sixes. Everybody started talking about this. He literally. I can see. I kid you not. He started to believe that it was a real thing.

It was just game six.

And he would walk around like, all right, dream. It's game six. There we go. Game six. You know what time it. Like, he started to believe, like, this. This phenomena. And guess what? Game six, clay, now it's a real thing. And so it's kind of along those same lines, right? Like, it came mental for us, it became mental for other teams, and we leaned into it, and it worked out for us.

Yeah, I would say so.

Yeah.

If you. If you hit 1 3, what are the chances that you take a second three? Amazing. Immediately after.

If I get a good. I'm not someone that's gonna hit one and just cast the next one I usually don't get. But if I hit one, that next one is highly likely. I'm shooting it again.

Yeah. If you have, like, a sliver of daylight.

Yeah.

Well, just because you don't know, you might be hot.

No, for sure.

Might be in the zone.

But, you know, for me, getting hot, not really a thing. Because if I'm in a zone and I see you open, my first instinct is to just pass it to you. It's not even a thought of, like, man, I just hit my last two. It's just my natural instinct. So if I catch it and someone's right there wide open, naturally I'mma just catch and swing it. Because that's what I've done my whole life. That's what I've been taught. You know, you see the open man, you get the open man, the ball. Right? And so I've never truly been able to, like, scoring is a mentality, Right. I've never truly been able to dive into that side of. I'm hot. I got it going. I'm taking a shot. Like, no, if I see somebody open, I'm a swing it. That's just kind of who I am. Naturally.

It's a Great teammate. Yeah, great teammate.

I like to think I'm a great teammate.

And I feel like there's a lot of fan bases around the league that hate you, but if you were on their team, they would love you. You'd be their favorite player there, right?

1,000%. In my day, I've probably had quite a bit of success against their team, so I'd hate me, too, if I were them.

Is this a. Is this a weird week for you? So we're recording this on February 2nd today, right? Groundhog's Day. So it is the trade deadline week this week, is it? Is this an especially strange trade deadline for you? Because there have been all the rumors, and you're like, you know, at any given time, your life might change in an unpredictable way, you know?

I'll be 100% honest with you. It did not get weird for me until today. Oh, it got really weird for me today. I started my massage and my massage therapist the first 30 minutes this morning. My massage was talking about me getting traded. How dare them want to trade you. I can't believe that I heard this. I read that it was this thing, and I was just sitting there playing dominoes on my phone, like, oh, yeah? Yeah.

Huh?

And she was going in about it for a good 30 minutes. I kid you not. I thought nothing of it. I got to practice today. Think nothing of it. Go through the entire practice. And earlier in the practice, Coach was like, sup, Dre, how you doing? You good? I'm like, yeah, I'm good, Coach. Go on to practice after practice. Dre, come here. Call me over. Dre, how you doing? You all right? You sure?

You good?

I'm like, yeah, I'm great, Coach. He like, oh. Because all this trade rumor stuff, I know it can be. And I'm like, oh, that's when it got real for me.

Yeah.

And so, in complete honesty. And Tran, he was like, well, how's Hazel handling? Hazel's my wife. How's Hazel handling this? She good? And I was like, honestly, Coach, I haven't said a word to her about it. So she's not nervous. She's fine. That's when I started getting a little weird. After practice today, so before today. No. In saying that, honestly, what's to be is going to be, what's going to happen is going to happen, and what isn't, it isn't, you know, I've dyed my beard black. Black. And worrying about that is going to send it back gray.

Yeah. So was that a move to be like, hey, I'M actually younger than you think. Don't trade me.

No, I did it. I'll tell you what. It was so close friend of mine got married this summer. Taylor Rooks. And when she got married they had these black and white portraits at the wedding and beautiful black and white portrait. And my wife and I was taking, we took our portrait and we got the portrait back and like my wife looked for gorgeous. She looked amazing. And I looked like her 49 year old uncle. It was black and white and, and I mean the, the silver was like popping it. It like I saw her on the picture but the second thing I saw was the silver over her shoulder.

Yeah.

And I was like. It was that day that I said, oh hell no. The gray gotta go.

I know I did. I tried to dye my hair. Like, like it just takes so much work.

It is consistent. I shout out the brownie blends. He, he keep it together for me because it, it, it requires, I know a lot of consistent work over and over. Yeah. So I get yes, you, you are right. But no, it wasn't so. It wasn't so they think I was younger. So my wife think I'm a little younger.

Yeah.

Okay, so you might, so you might get trade. You might not. It would be weird if we ran this after you got trade. Do you want to say, you know, knowing that we're going to run it next week. Do you want to say like anything to the Golden State warriors fans?

Oh man, you just got traded. Yeah. I think for me personally this is breaking news. Like it's been, it, it has been an incredible 13 and a half years. I have no reason to sit and worry or think about being traded because if I would have done that for the last 13 and a half years, the amount of worrying I would have done isn't good for anyone. Even grayer, you know, 1,000%. It worried me more than trying to get the NBA Finals was worrying me and causing all the grades, you know. And so this is home for me. No trades changing that. What I've done here is what I've done, what I've been able to accomplish with these fans, with this team, with this organization. None of that's changing, you know. And so I am forever grateful. This is my second home or my third home. East Lansdon's probably my second home. But this is home for me and nothing's changed in that I don't get caught up into it. There's no hard feelings. No one owes me anything. I am grateful for my time here. If it ends. Look what we've done. Like, how amazing is it that we were able to accomplish what we've accomplished, that we were able to change the path of history, change the way the game of basketball is played, all of that in 12, 13 short years.

That's not that long of a time. So I'm forever grateful for my time here. The fans have been amazing, the organization has been amazing, and if this is where it ends, all good things come to an end at some point. If this is where it does, it's been a hell of a fucking ride.

Okay. Now give a message to Bucs fans because you've just been traded there.

A message to Bucks fans. I don't.

You said you missed winter.

No. I'll tell you what. Flying to the snow. Yeah. It's much better than living in the snow. Yeah.

Yes.

I would imagine it's much better. So. Yeah, I don't have much of a. I have. I haven't experienced anything with them. I don't have much of a message for them.

And even if you. If you do end up leaving, you might come back. Yeah, we're not shutting the door on that, either.

I don't shut the door on any.

Yeah, now do that. You left. You played for Milwaukee for a few months now. You just resigned with the warriors over the summer.

Yeah.

Say bye. Say goodbye to Milwaukee first.

Yeah. Yeah. All your memories in Milwaukee. Please talk on that.

It's been an incredible three months.

This is your fourth home.

It's been incredible three months. I hope they enjoyed the time we share.

That's beautiful.

Well, next time.

Well said. Hey, are you. We were mentioning threes. Remember when you used to take a lot of threes?

I used to shoot a lot. You used to shoot?

There was games. I was looking at some of your game logs, and it was like, you know, 11 threes. Yeah, that. What happened.

What happened? You know, a few things happened. One, we got Kevin Durant.

Yep. Well, you begged for him.

So, you know.

Yeah.

Begging. Someone had to give up shots, and you can't go beg for someone and then not. Not be willing to sacrifice. Yep. That's fair. But two, so 20, 18, maybe 17, whatever year it was that we swept to calves, I think it was 18. If we went into game five, I couldn't play. My hip was so jacked up, I couldn't walk. After, like, for days after, I had to literally sit on the couch like this. Just sit. My hip was so messed up. And in turn, it changed my movement pattern, so it changed how I drop into my Shot. It changed everything. Also around that same time, we were playing. I'll never forget it. We were playing against the Detroit Pistons, and JaVale McGee was guarding a pick and roll, and he got beat. And so I came over secondary to help at the rim, and I come and I go off one foot to block the shot on the glass. And when I blocked the shot on the glass, Javale McGee ran into the backside of me, and it, like, pimped my arm to the glass, and my body kept going. I've dealt with that shoulder injury ever since.

And so we can. I mean, you can tell I've dealt with that every.

We see how you shoot.

And so now fast forward. And I then lost confidence. Yeah. Right. So dealing with the shoulder injury, dealing with the hip injury, I then lost confidence in the shot. So I catch the ball, and I'm like, ah, no, I'm supposed to shoot, but I don't feel comfortable shooting with the shoulder because this time I may shoot and it may come all the way out and be perfect how I want it, or I may go up, and it may get stuck right here, and I just have to push it. Right. And so in turn, in dealing with that, then I lost confidence in it.

Yeah.

And once you lose confidence in this league, it's usually a death sentence. I was able to, fortunately, able to do other things at a high enough level to make it a little less important. Yep. But so then now you fast forward, and now then all of a sudden, people no longer see you as a shooter. So then you're trying to get over that hurdle. Right. Because you're trying to get over the hurdle of, like, I want him to believe in me shooting. I want him. So all. Regardless of all the I put in, if they don't believe in it, you're then trying to get over that hurdle. And it was just kind of a ongoing process until getting to this year. And I finally, like, yeah, I'll. I'll go 06. I don't care. You know, like. But it took me a while to get back there just mentally. Like, I'm talking years of just trying to get past, like, the shoulder thing and, like, worrying about that and actually being comfortable enough to just, like. Like, no, I'm gonna just shoot it. It is what it is. That's what I'm supposed to do. That's what the game telling me to do.

I'm gonna shoot it.

So what you just did is kind of up because you just stole, like, One of my favorite things to do is make fun of Your shot, and you just stole that from us because you have, like, all these real reasons that are, like, real injuries and the mental part of the game. So I'm not happy that you did that.

I apologize. I'm sorry.

Do you. Do you still make them all in practice? Because that's the craziest thing I always say. Like, we've. We. We're lucky enough that we've met a bunch of guys in the NBA. We actually have, you know, at our office, a full court. We've had guys come trained for the draft and stuff. And I always say to people, like, if you watch a guy in an open gym, you realize the difference because they might be a 35% shooter in games. They will make 90 out of 100 threes standing in an open gym.

Yeah. Probably 99% of the people that think, I can't shoot, I'll take their life. Safe savings. Yeah, right. No problem.

Right.

Annihilate, too. Like, not like, oh, man, he hit one shot. It was. No, like, to you, I'm Steph Curry.

Right, Right, right, right. So you do. So you are making him impress.

I'll tell you this.

Yeah.

I am a damn good shooter. Like, damn good. But again, and getting over the mental hurdle, I like, it's like a golfer getting the yips.

Yeah.

It's like getting back over that mental hurdle was such a big deal. Like, it was so hard. I'm talking about, like, to the point where still, even today, I have to make sure and do work to know that, like, no, I'm still over that hurdle and, like, not to fall back into that. Like, it's an ongoing thing. Yeah. You know, and. And then you add in. I'm always gonna see if Steph is open first, and if he's even a little open and I'm all the way open, it's him. I'm gonna throw the ball to him, you know, so always having to see that. I think sometimes for me also, like, that would throw off my rhythm in the shot. You know, you catch the ball, and you rising up, that's a rhythm shot. You catch it, you look all right. It's a totally different shot, you know, and so it was a perfect storm in saying that, that I think one of the things that I'm most proud of is I came into the NBA, I scored the ball. Yeah. And to become who I've become. Not doing that is one, to me, one of the biggest accomplishments, because I.

I became ultimately who I wanted to become in a completely different way than I thought. I'd become now. Right?

Yeah.

And so to me, it's one of the things that I'm most proud of.

So that's good, because I was looking up mean tweets about you, and someone's tweeted, do you think Draymond makes any threes in practice? So now we have an answer to that. Well, it was me. I actually tweeted that.

Oh, I would love.

We should.

We should. I'll give you some odds, too. Yeah. We'll do an open gym. Oh, no, you'll kill me. I know. I'll give you some odds. And. And we'll. And we'll make it fun. Okay.

If. If I was locked in a gym with you and I had. If I scored two points against you, if I made one basket on you, I get your whole life savings.

Great.

And. But I'm not allowed to eat or drink. Drink. I can't, like, have any water. Am I dying in that gym before I get your life savings?

Yeah.

I couldn't get a single basket off.

No chance.

Not one.

Because it's for my life savings.

Yeah.

So the. The level of defense I'm going to play. Yeah.

Put me in hell.

But if you don't score, then I get y'.

All.

Podcast platform.

Oh, the RSS feed. We're doing an RSS feed.

Okay. Okay.

How about that?

Two on one.

Because I gotta have a way to get your life savings.

Yeah, true.

Two on one's fine.

Two on one.

Oh, two on one.

We work.

We'd smoke you.

No.

Oh, my God.

I'll do. All due respect, I'm like.

You know how good I am at shooting. I'm the guy who said that you don't make any shots in practice.

So let's do this. Let's do this.

Two.

Two.

This would be so embarrassing.

I'm more deli than deli is. You think deli stinks? I really stink.

I. Two on one.

Okay.

Man bar bad. This is bad versus artist.

Bad idea.

Two on one.

How much time do we get yet?

This.

This ends with us just, like, in tears, just screaming about how big our podcast is, and you don't realize that for sure.

And, like, I get the audience.

Yeah.

And they're not. They're not allowed to unsubscribe. No. Because they like you guys more than me. They're stuck with me. But you have to.

You have to have Hank on the show. So it's you and Hank and our producer. And you would do the podcast.

Perfect.

Okay, we keep. Then. We keep to. We keep the platform.

Yeah.

I got a serious question for you. Do you ever think about how you ruined basketball?

It's a good question.

Thank you. And not you. Not you specifically. The Golden State Warriors, Steph Curry.

Everyone shooting.

Everyone shoots threes now. That's the game. And you guys were great. You guys broke the sport of basketball. And now every kid that's in high school is like, I'm Steph Curry, too.

You ruined it.

You know what?

Would you like to apologize to the sport? No.

Okay, well, Conor McGregor said, I'd like to take this time to apologize to absolutely no one. Yeah.

By the way, we did the McGregor Mayweather.

Yes.

The two of us were as drunk as you could possibly be. And I think I walked up to you and was like, hey, come on, our podcast. Come on our podcast. It was you and Paul George and I. I'm surprised you remember that. Well, I was looking up old tweets, and I have a picture of me drunk trying to get you on our podcast, so. But that's neither here nor there. Look here. This is you. That's the picture I took. We just ran up to you.

You know, that's when. That's when. See? What a time. That's when you used to go to fight suited and booted. Yep. It was a whole thing.

Wow.

What a time, man. Yeah, well, we.

We showed up, like, to the fight, and when we were walking in, the person who was selling beer outside was like, last call. And we already were drunk, and we're like, oh, fuck, it's last call. It wasn't even. It's Vegas. There's no last call. So we just started pounding drinks. We don't remember anything from the fight. We were so up.

Well, it was a fun fight.

It was very fun. Yeah. But back to you ruining basketball. Sorry.

Yes. You were about to apologize.

Yeah. Yeah. I. I don't. You know what's crazy about that? Is number one, the only person that gets credit for ruining basketball is Steph. No one else gets credit for it, only Steph.

However, you would like some credit for that, too?

No, none. Because it's ruined. Give it all to Steph. But I remember the very first person to say that was Mark Jackson. He said it on air. He said, steph Curry has ruined the game of basketball. Basketball. And everyone was pissed off.

Yeah.

Because no one understood what the hell he was talking about. And he had just left. Right. And everyone was sensitive about anything Mark says about us. Coach Jackson to me, Mark to everyone else. Everyone was sensitive about anything he said. And I remember when he said, and. And everybody was just like, how dare him? He's mad. He's got fired. This, that, and other. And it wasn't long after that where we were like, oh, know exactly what he meant. It definitely ruined the game of basketball for everyone. I don't apologize, though, for us, because everything must evolve, and we were the next evolution to the game of basketball. Quite honestly, people don't realize it, but the game is changing now, and it's changing away from what it was that we did to become so successful. It's always changing. We were just that time period. When you win, we always say, it's a copycat league. When you win, everybody copy up. We need to do that for multiple years. Buddy Hill was the sixth pick in the draft because everybody was looking for the next step, Right? You watch the NBA draft, everybody. Oh, man. Who's the next Draymond G.

Green? When you're having success, everyone wants to copy it. And so we were having such a high level of success, everyone started copying. Now people are going away from that. You know, people are looking at okc. What can we do here to mimic that? It's just a copycat league, and it was just our chance to do it. But I will say, I think we probably. We probably changed the game more drastically than anyone had ever done in this.

Okay, can you apologize for something else you ruined?

Yeah.

You ruined, like, the humor of hitting guys in the nuts. Because every time you hit someone in the nut, everyone's like, well, it's. We gotta have to have a serious discussion about Draymond and stuff. Sometimes it's just funny.

I. I agree. So. It's so. It's so messed up, man.

You hit a lot of guys in the nuts. Is there a favorite pair of nuts you've hit?

Oh, man. You know what? Sometimes I'll be so oblivious that I don't even realize I hit him.

Yeah. I mean, the picture of the Stephen Adams one where he's just standing perfectly upright, that's one of the funniest pictures of all time.

He's like this. Yeah.

Yeah.

Hey.

What?

I will say, the one with Stephen Adams. I was really trying to flop and, like, sell the call.

Yeah.

But, man, what an unfortunate spot to be in for him.

Standing nice, nice and proper, like, looking at you like a gentleman has.

I. I do have a. I have a theory about some of your technicals. Is there ever a time when you're like, I don't really feel like playing tonight, so I'm just going to get a technical and get kicked out right away.

I've done that one time in my career.

It wasn't the Rudy Gobert, right?

No. He tried to get clay, man.

Yeah.

That was a. I was ready for.

Are you surprised he didn't tap?

Well, he did. He.

He did tap.

Oh, he did.

Oh, he fully tapped. Okay.

Like.

So wait, so what's the one time. Because I. I do like that, where you're just like, I don't feel like playing tonight.

It was. I think. I. I can't recall. I want to say we were playing the Sacramento Kings, I think it was, but it was the game before. Allstar break. Okay. And I was like, yo, I'm ready to get the out of here. And I said something to the referee, and I was walking away, and I was like, this my chance. Tech out of here. Gone. That's the one time. Any other time. Some of them be so garbage, man. Like, we have a thing now on our assistant coaches. He go around the locker room, people, like, I was watching him all day. He really wanted to play. Yeah. But they got him out of here on some guard, like, so, you know, I mean, I'd be lying to you if I said I've never done that, but. No, most of the time, man, I like playing. The fun part is the game, playing basketball. All the other shit we have to do is like. Like the miserable part. When you actually get to play in the game, that's the easiest part of the job. Yeah.

When you got Rudy like that, you had to do that.

You.

You had to be a teammate.

I had to.

He was crossing the line.

He was crossing the line.

You have to let him know. Remind him, dad, he's still here.

We may have had a little history before.

Yeah. You know, I think players should be allowed to fight. Like, in hockey.

Why not?

Oh, you want to hear about, like.

I. I seriously believe that a lot of the. Like, oh, is this bad for the league? Like, if there's violence happening on the court? We don't talk about that in hockey. If two players are like, okay, let's go at it. Give them 30 seconds.

You'd have a lot less guys talking. Yeah. Yeah, a lot less.

I think it'd be great.

So. It'd be amazing.

Here's a rule that I've. I've actually pitched it to Adam Silver, and I would actually. You'd be perfect for this rule. I think there should be. Every single player in the NBA should get to fight one fan a year.

Year.

And you get to call them out. But once you Use it, you lose it. So how quickly would you use it?

Fast.

Because then. But then the rest of the year, everyone can talk to you. Being like, he remember, remember. Remember Game two against the Warriors?

He beat the.

Out of someone.

Then I'm just stuck in the same spot I'm in now. And I didn't whoop someone. At least that time. I did get to whoop somebody. This. Now I'm just stuck here and you. Okay. And I can't whoop.

But that would solve the whole. Like, fans getting criticized. Crazy. You just call them out and you go to center court and you fight.

They will stop.

Says it on your ticket stub. Like, a player can call you out if you get unruly. It would be awesome.

A lot of people will stop. Yeah. There would also watch for the ears.

Yeah. I was gonna say, guys, so you.

Don'T call out the wrong guy, man. Watch for the ear.

That's a great tip.

You gotta make sure you don't call out the wrong. Did y' all see this guy a couple weeks ago? Maybe it was a UFC fighter. He was at a game, and the guy was trying to call him out, and he just smiled and, like, walked off. Oh, no. Y. It was at a football game, I think it was.

Yeah.

If you smile and like, yeah, that's a problem.

He lucky that guy has self control, man.

Yeah.

Cause, boy, you. You better call out the right person.

Yeah.

Do you think fans have gotten crazier over the years? Like, have they started to cross the line more, or is it just more players are starting to call them out?

I think they've gotten crazier over the years because you saw, like, I think the leagues. I say leagues, not just this league, the leagues overall. I think the leagues went so far left to where it's like a player say something back, you find and it's announced to where people then start making it a point to try to get you fined.

Right.

And I think the leagues have done a great job of like, yo, we're not just going to keep finding our guys because you're saying what you want to say to them, and they. They turn back human and say something back, you know? And I think the leagues have done a much better job of that. Because what you realize is not much comes of the back and forth. Boom, boom, Right? There's more attention on the thing. Once you do the fine, then it's like, oh, this moment happened. This was said. And then fans, overall, they're like, oh, man, I got this guy to lose $25,000. I got this guy to lose $35,000. I'm going to say this to this guy next. He's going to lose, you know, and it was almost like they kind of had this rite of passage, if you will, to just start talking and we lose money. And I think the leagues have done a better job of that, but I think that's what created the fans got much crazier.

Yeah. Yeah. What's your favorite champion?

My favorite championship. It's hard to top the first one because it's your first. Like, it's the first time you experience that. So it would be one and four.

Oh, so you really don't like kd.

No, I love kd.

I set you up for that. I knew I had listened to an interview where you said, one in four.

I love kd. But, you know, the first is the first. Yeah.

And the fourth, I think the argument is the fourth kind of came. Not came out of nowhere, but it was a little shocking.

It didn't come out of nowhere, but it did. Like, again, me and Steph, after every playoff series, we'd be walking to an interview together, and we'd be laughing and looking at each other like, man, how. We just didn't know that. That initially that it was a championship team. It wasn't your typical championship roster that we had experienced. You know, like, there was a certain experience that we had. We hadn't experienced that, and it was just like, man, but we knew what it looked like, we knew what it felt like. And so right away, at the beginning of the playoffs, we, like, man, we got something here, but it was crazy because no one expected it, you know? And so then also a part of me, like, the competitive nature in me. I don't think I ran Kevin Durant off.

No, I don't think so either, but.

But everyone's going to say that. And I'm fine with people saying what they want to say, but the reality is in people saying that, because people does. Then there. Then the competitor in me is like, okay, well, if you say I ran them off and I made a mistake, well, then, here. Here you go.

Yeah, now I want to win another one.

Now I did it again. Now what? Right. So I still got to hear about that, because I just went and did it again, and history was set. If you win one championship, like, you're lucky. Yeah, this is the fourth, but let's just count this one.

Yeah.

Is it enough, you know, like, since I ran this guy off? Yeah, here you go. You know, and so that's that's why that one is, like, you know, my. Like, up there with my favorite as well.

And we are. Kevin Durant's actually a white whale to come on this show. And he. I mean, I actually think he's gotten to the underrated part where, like. Like, because he. He claps back at people on Twitter, so people try to kind of, like, the fan thing, where people know they can get a rise out of him. But he is such an unbelievable player. When you were playing with him, when. When he was added to the team, like, it had to feel like you guys were invincible because, I mean, we talked about Steph. Kevin Durant's also unguardable. Like, it's. You can't guard him, and he makes everything well.

Steph's definitely unguardable. KD's kind of the original. Yeah. You know, he was a cheat code for us. Like, that's the reality. Like, once we got him. And then, like, once we got him, we knew. Like, obviously, we already knew we had a great team. And then you add Kevin Durant, and it's like, yo, this is nuts, right? But there's a. There's a adjustment period, you know, like, you add a big force like that. It's not like. Like, that's not a plug and play, you know, like, you have to account for Kevin Durant being on the floor with you on your team. And so once we added him, there was kind of this period of, like, figuring it out, and what it really was that needed to be figured out was him and Steph. It wasn't anyone else. It was those two. And the only thing that they needed to figure out was when it is that you're going to and when it is that I'm going. Which is ultimately how most people do it. What they figured out was that wasn't needed. If you going, you going. If I'm going, I'm going. If we both going, we going.

But this offense is predicated on ball movement anyway. So the ball is never just going to one person and sticking there anyway. Like, that's not the brand of basketball we play, so. And while trying to figure that out, it wasn't as easy. Like, we were so talented to where we were still winning games at a high clip, but it wasn't. We weren't invincible yet, you know? And then we lost to the Cavs that Christmas Day. And Kevin told Steph after that game, he said, hey, man, you do you and worry about you. I'm gonna get mine. I'm fine. Stop looking for me to Try to call a play for me. Thinking you need to find.

I'm good.

I'm going to get mine no matter what. Be Steph. And that was then. Yeah. And from that point on till Kevin left, we rolled. Yeah. You know, and. And so we knew, like, once we got him, like there was. Because people try to forget, but. But the most unguardable action in the NBA at that time was me and Steph. Pick and roll. Teams did not know what to do with it. They spent summers trying to figure out and all these different schemes trying to figure out what are we doing to stop these guys in the pick and roll. Then you got Clay on the backside. So once I get it now, I'm backside actually with clay, forget about it. Well, so in figuring that out, well, now guess what? We just gonna throw the ball together and you can double. And so then what teams start doing, they start bringing the double off me. So then we start hitting me. DHO with Steph, he wide open for three because your man went to double down there. Dho, Clay wide open for three because your man way down there. We're gonna use that against you, you know, and so that's what made it so unguardable, is because we still played our same action.

And Kevin is good enough and smart enough to fit right in that action. But then anytime they stopped it. Hey, man. There you go. Yep. Go get a bucket. And it's automatic. It was like, what are you going to do?

Yeah.

Like, you got Kevin Durant in most cases, by the way, playing one on one with your second best defender. Right, Right. Because you putting your best defender now on Steph, you got Kevin Durant playing one on one against your second best defender. Like, there was some teams that would start. They start putting four men on. On KD5. Like. Like, what are y' all doing? But you're. But they're trying to figure this figure, man, he about to get y' all 45.

Yeah.

And we just throw him the ball.

Yeah.

Was there a game where it was the perfect game? Like, it could be in that iteration of the warriors, could be in another year that you had. But was there one game that stands out to you where it's like, we have reached the perfect stage of basketball evolution. Everything worked that game. Unstoppable, unguardable.

Not very long after the game that changed.

Yeah.

If you remember back then, NBA scheduling was very predictable. Usually there was a rematch on Christmas day of the NBA final. And on and on Martin Luther King Day. Martin Luther King Day Monday, there was a Rematch of that game. So there was a rematch. Martin Luther King Day versus the cast. I think we beat them by like 50 something point, 40 something points. We beat the dog out of them and.

But because Deli was gone, couldn't do that when he was on too.

Yeah, the Draymond stopper.

That's what they said.

They caught Deli, the step stopper. He was out of the league shortly after, you know, but like, that game and on Martin Luther King Day, it. We were like, oh, yeah, like there's nobody that can beat us now. Like, we got it figured out that we know how this works. It's over, man. We annihilated the Cavs that. That day. And it was that day that the whole league knew, like, oh, they, they. They figured it out.

Now, on notice, do you have a. A favorite stat line that you've ever had in a game?

We have some for you.

A couple of them. The obvious one is Memphis, you know, where I had to triple double without the points. That was the obvious one because I felt so in a rhythm. Like, defensively, you know how, like, people get in the zone. I felt like I could just put my hand out and it lead to a steal. Like, you know, I felt like I could do no wrong in that game defensively. Like just a crazy rhythm that. I don't know if I felt that many times that day, but that day I did.

That's really interesting to think about, being in the zone on defense.

I don't.

I don't ever hear that from somebody, but if you're getting 10, 10 steals in a game. Yeah, you do. You must feel like you're in the zone.

Like, I, like. I feel like I'm literally, like. It was like my hand was a magnet. Like, one time I was helping up top. I'll never forget it. What's the. Macaulay drove middle, Marc Gasol. I just reached my hand and got to steal. I was like, oh, shit. I had no idea. I was just trying to make him pick the dribble up. That game. Another famous game is the game in OKC when Steph hit the shot. It's also the same night that me and Steve had our thing in the locker room that Lisa Salters then went and reported when she was standing with her ear to our locker, locker room door. I had two points and maybe 15 rebounds and 14 assists or something like that. And I completely dominated the entire game. I was 1 for 3 from the field. Two points, like 15, 16 rebounds, 15, 16 assists. And that game took a few steals A couple blocks that game. To me also, like, I knew while the game was going, I'm like, I'm dominating this entire game. I haven't scored a point. You know, like, that one, to me, really, that was one of my favorite ones as well.

What actually happened to that locker room?

What actually happened was. Steve. I shot two shots in the first half. They were both top of the key threes. And Steve had just come back not long ago, if you remember that year Luke Walden coached us. Steve was out sick, and Luke was running plays for me. Man, I was coming off pin down, shooting threes, everything. I was averaging almost 17 points a game or something like that. And when you're going through the season, everything happens fast. It's a game tomorrow, it's a game the next day, and you're lucky if you have a day off and it's a game the next day. Like, everything's happening at warp speed. And so we're going through the season. And once Steve came back, I felt like I wasn't getting the same opportunities that I was before he came back. And so I had already started just getting more and more upset each game, like, more and more upset. And you. And then. And we get to this particular game, and I shot two shots, and they showed the two shots. He showed the two shots I shot on film at the time. I had nine rebounds, eight assists at halftime.

The two shots I missed, two steals, two blocks. The two shots I missed. You're gonna show both of them on film. Draymond, I think we can get a better look at this. I'm like, all right, so now I'm a very logical thinker, and everything has to make sense to me. And so I'm like, all right, so you wanted me to take one shot this half. All right, cool. He wanted me to take one shot. All right, that's bullshit, but all right, cool. And then the clips go on, and the second shot pops up. And so now I'm in my head, like, so you wanted me to take zero shots to half? Cause I only took two. And so when he said that, I'm like, all right, man, I get it. I won't shoot. And then he went nuts, like, draymond, what the fuck? He came around the table cussing me out, and I went back at him a little bit, and he was screaming at me. I was screaming at him. And then I got back to my phone after the game, was like, whoa. Had no idea what we were talking about in the locker room was going to be broadcast to the World.

Right. But here we are. It's crazy. Yeah, crazy.

It's funny because you mentioned earlier, like, Izzo likes it when you yell back at him a little bit. I think I saw a clip from last week. There was some player. He was yelling at him in the huddle, and then the player, like, cussed back at him, and Izzo gave him this little smile. Like, this is good. This is good. I like that. That Is Steve Kerr like that. Does he like a little confrontation, or is he more like Buddhas?

And Steve is not like that. Like. Like, is want confrontation. Like, that is looking for. Is looking for you to loves it. That's. That's.

I think that's a clip. When he said that my mom could score on you.

Absolutely.

His mom's 99.

The absolute worst thing you can do for Tom, like I told y', all, is, is to stay silent. Like, if you stay silent with Coach Uzzo, it does not go over well with him. Like. Cause he's just going to keep going back at you. Like, he'll look away, start talking about something, and then just turn back and start yelling at you again, like. Cause he can't get over the fact that. Did he hear me? Did he not hear me? I don't know. He didn't say anything. So he keep going back. He's looking for you to say something. Coach Curl, on the other hand, not as confrontational.

Yeah.

But in saying that, he and I for a very long time. Not anymore. I just matured and learned to shut the hell up. But he and I, for a very long time, like, that was our relationship. That was our dynamic. Like, he go at me, I go at him. We come in a huddle, and I could be not doing much wrong, and our team is like. Like, stinking it up. And he come in a huddle and just go ape on me. Draymond, you. What the are you doing? And then I'll go back. Like, man, I. And then before you know it, our team is flying up and down the court.

Uses you. He knows you're the lightning rod.

He would use me to get out of. So for a while, our. Our dynamic was that go back and forth as our team started to change. I knew I had to change that because that team responded to it well. You know, like, that team. That's what made that team go was like, oh, they get into. Let's go. You know, like, that was a thing that we could use. Every team don't respond to that well. So once the pieces started to change for us, then we had to alter that because all of a sudden you got guys coming in that haven't been here and they see me and him going crazy at each other. Other A, they may think that they should do that, right? B, they could just get thrown off. Like, man, it's crazy over these two dudes yelling at each other and they just don't know and understand the dynamic. So as our team roster started to change, that dynamic had to change. Not more so for him. And I though it more so had to change for everyone else around.

What is it about Steve Kirby? Because I feel like NBA is the one league where a coach doesn't get a ton of credit. Because everyone's like, you know, whether it be Phil Jackson or Steve Kerr, they'll be like, oh, well, he had a super team, you know, he had the D, he had the best players. What does it matter? He just rolled the ball out. So what is it about him that's like, no, you guys don't understand, like what he's able to do for this team?

Yeah, I think a lot of people always say that. It's like, yo, man, like he had this roster that he couldn't lose with. But like, we've seen better rosters, you.

Know.

But yeah, that anytime someone's trying to make someone less meaningful than they are, then they use the very things that they use against other people. So for instance, I suck, right? Like, I'm not that good. I can't shoot all the things that people say. But I was one of the most important players on that roster that you said he couldn't lose one with, right? That he couldn't do nothing to fuck up. But I suck, right? You know, like those two things don't, don't align, don't really add up, you know, and so there's this narrative of Steve that like he had this roster that he couldn't mess up with, but he's the one that brought the offensive style that changed the way the game is played. Because we were together two years prior and we did well. We made the playoffs a couple times. They hadn't made the playoffs much here at all. I think two times in 23 years. Then we made the playoffs, my first two years under coach Jackson, but our offense wasn't the offense we ran. And so we were a good team, up and coming team, but we weren't arguably the greatest team ever, you know, we weren't the offense that changed.

And so he then came in and brought a system that created that. No one speaks about that. Yeah, you Know, it's always like, oh, man. Like, Steph's the greatest shooter ever. So they were able to do this. But how did Steph end up in that offense? Who did that, right? Did that just come out of thin air, right? You know, like. And so what Steve brought was a. I'll never forget his first practice hypox. He like, yo, pass it. Steph caught the ball. Pass the ball. I'm like, man, Clay caught it. Pass the ball. I'm like, what is wrong with this dude? He's out of his mind telling Clay and Steph to pass the ball. And you catch the ball. He's yelling, swing it.

You.

Like, I didn't even have time to think, like. And so he brought this system.

And.

Ultimately, we thrived in it. And I'll never forget, we're sitting there early in training camp, and we like, man, you keep telling us to pass. How is Stephen Clay gonna get shots? And he said, the ball will always find who it's supposed to find if you just move it. And so then our style of play was born. He brought that. Steve Kerr has won nine championships. Five as a player, four as a coach. Make no mistake about it. That's not a coincidence. That's not coincidental. One of the most underrated things about winning a championship and one of the most underrated things about the aftermath of a championship is the know how in 2022, we won because we just knew how. We knew how to do it. You know, that is one of the most underrated things. Like, what makes this OKC team dangerous is because they now know how. I didn't worry about them much last year. I wanted to meet them last year because I knew we knew how and they did it. But they know how now. Once you do it, you know how to do it. And so Steve. What Steve brought brought was the know how.

Like, he knew you could walk around. We could all walk around like, man, we want to win a championship. He actually knew how to do it. And so when we went through our first run, he was the common force, like, the veteran leader that you would have. Except we had no veteran leader that had done it. So it was him, and he calmed us. We're down two to one against Memphis. It was him like, yo, we good. Everything straight. Like, don't worry about this. We gonna make this adjustment. And they done, huh?

Yeah.

You're like, what? We made this one adjustment. They was done.

Yeah.

And so ultimately, right then and there, he created and gained this belief in us from us that. That then allow him to just go and flourish and be who he is and give his. Because it's like, oh, we knew we got a guy. He know the answers. Like, this guy knows the answers to the test.

Yeah.

And so there's that. And what Steve brings. He always knows the right answer when it comes to adjustments, which playoffs are all about. He always know the right adjustment to make. I have never one time seen him. Him not know the adjustment to make.

That's crazy.

And it's incredible.

Del Deli, there was no answer for.

He even made an adjustment to show how bad deli stunk. For real. I mean, he even made that adjustment.

No, but it's. It's a good point because it is the NBA. One of the things I love about the NBA is like, you. You don't just become champion. You kind of have to go through the wars. And like, you know, like even last year, whenever it was like the Rockets, the Rockets, the Rockets. And it's like they haven't been through it. Like you. You have to lose before you win 1,000%. Yeah.

It just doesn't. It's not just like, oh, we got the team and here go. No, that's just. It just don't quite work that way. But we had took our couple losses, you know, and he came in and I'll tell you, man, when Steve came in, we were not like, we weren't talking about championships. Yeah, like I remember, like, that just wasn't a thing. We weren't just talk. But sure enough, with what he brought 30 games in, we were because we realized how dominant we were and we had this belief and we knew we had a guy that knew it. Right. And so then it was like, okay, he start, but he didn't walk through the door talking about winning a championship.

Right.

And I now understand why he did. And I didn't then, but now I do because it's so cliche when I hear some of these guys talking about winning championships, they just get in the media and be like, oh, yeah, I want to win a championship. I'm going to do this and win a. I just be sitting there shaking my head. So I'm like, you don't have a clue. You don't know how to do it. I don't even know why you sitting here talking about it. You don't know how. Right. Like, that is one of the most important things in doing it is the know how the reason LeBron James made it to all those finals in a row, not because his teams was that great. He knew how Right, right. Like, the reason we went to five in a row once we did it, we then knew how, you know, like, it is so vitally important. The spurs, they kept getting back, and you think they're done, and they do it. They knew how to do it. It is the most underrated thing when coming to winning a championship. And quite honestly, it's so underrated because most people haven't won.

Yeah. So they don't know that you need that thing, but you have to have that. Yeah.

So how do you stop OKC from repeating? Because we've, like, penciled them in for the next three champions. They have every draft pick ever in every draft moving forward. We've just said, okay, this is about the start of their dynasty right now. How would you stop okc?

I think. I think. I think you have to ultimately decide what it is that's gonna beat you. Is it Shay that's gonna beat you, or is everyone else gonna beat you?

And.

If you don't pick one, they all gonna kick your ass. But if you pick one, I think that's the way to survival. So if I say I'm throwing all my guys at Shay, he ain't doing it. Everybody else got to do it.

Lou Dort, Caruso.

And if they beat you that way, it is what it is.

Live with it.

Yeah, but you have to pick one.

Yeah.

And. And I feel like, for them, no one ever picks one. Like, it's like, Shay's doing what he's doing. Everyone else is doing what they're. You have to pick one. And if you don't, they're too good of a team when you just allow them to run their patterns and do what they do. And, like, they're too comfortable with that now. So if you. You have to make them do something else. And the something else is, one of y' all are going to beat me. Shay, you gonna beat me. But it's gonna be just you or the other guys. Y' all gonna beat us, and it ain't gonna be Shay. But I don't. Teams aren't doing, like, why does Shea never get trapped? Why does Shay hardly ever get double team? Like, why?

That's a good question.

Caruso, he'll kill you.

Then kill me.

Yeah.

And beat me four times. There's this story that's been out of Derrick White saying what I said in the NBA Finals.

What'd you say?

What'd he say that you said?

He said that I said in my interview after game one, like, derrick White not gonna beat us from three Derrick White then got in the gym and he came back next year. He could beat you from three. But I knew right then and there in that series he's not beating us from three.

Right.

If it's going to take that Marcus Smart, Derrick White and Al Horford to combine for 17 threes in a game to beat us, I don't think they're doing that four times. Right. Like. And so to your point of Caruso, then the thing has to be okay, if he beat us one game, you can't just fold and change everything tomorrow. Yeah. Because your bet is, is he going to do that four times?

He will.

And that's ultimately what it boils down to. In most cases, this is just not. This isn't a Caruso thing. This is just in general. In most cases, the answer is no. Because the guy who can beat you four times is the star.

Yeah.

Because there's. That's what they do, right? The guy who's like, oh, man, he's just had a good game. Very rarely are they the ones beating you four times. It don't really happen like that.

Yeah, yeah, it's a good point with those other guys. There's been a lot of different people that have come in and out of this warriors run that you've had. If you were to make a Mount Rushmore, like the top four role players that have contributed to this extended period of success, who would you put up there?

I'm a role player, right?

Well, no, no, no, I'm. I'm. You're the core.

Oh, okay.

You're the core.

You, Clay, Steph, KD are the core.

Yeah, yeah.

Andre.

Yep.

Sean Livingston, Jared, Jack.

Okay, interesting.

And I would say our centers, a mix of Bogut, Zaza, Javale, McGee. Our centers were extremely important for us because they gave us a. The versatility to be able to switch out of the small lineup. And when you go to the small lineup, it's more dangerous because you can't prepare for it the whole game. You gotta prepare for this other style of play too. Too other style of players dangerous as well. Having the lob threat, Zaza wasn't quite the lob threat, but Bogan and JaVale McGee lob threats, you know, and that I always tell people when you have a. A great lob threat, a great lob threat is no different. It does no different for your spacing than a. Than a great three point shooter. Because a great live threat, you can't leave their body. You leave their body. It's up in the air and it's a 95% completion rate. You know, a great three point shooter, Klay Thompson, if you go help on that roll, you ain't getting back to him on the shot. It's the same thing for a great lob threat. If you leave that guy body while I'm coming downhill, I'm putting that ball in the air, there's 0% chance you can recover.

Yeah, right. Like, and so I would say our centers, because they were great live threats. And then like, like I said, Zaza wasn't a great live threat, but he set a tone. Like Zaza, when Zaza was on our team, David west too would be in this, this group as well. Like, they just always set a tone for us when those guys were on our team. I wasn't the guy that just had to set the tone, you know, I wasn't the guy that, you know, if somebody need to be put on their ass, I have to do it. At that time, I didn't, I wasn't the guy that always had to do that, you know, because we had centers who were tough as hell, that they would do that, you know. And so I would say a mixture of the group of centers would, would be the forefront of my rush.

That's fair. I used to, I, I love watching Javale McGee. He's liable to do anything on the court at any given time.

He's one of the best live threats I've ever played with. Like, by far. Like, even if you threw Javale McGee alive and he couldn't dunk it, a lot of live threats will just let it fly out of box bounds. He will still grab it and come down with it. And, and that's so important. Like he, he's one of the best live threats I've ever played with. Yeah, by far.

All right, Draymond, I got one last question. This has been so much fun. We really appreciate you giving us the time. Rollback question. Rho B A C K.com promo code take 20 off your first purchase. Q Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code take so we started the whole show interview, talking about podcast. Everyone go subscribe. Draymond Green show, Great show. We'd love to have you back on anytime, especially talk playoffs. I do have to say though, thank you because you were actually an important part of this show and we've been doing it for 10 years now. But one of our first segments we used to do was PR101 where we would try to help out athletes that maybe get In a weird bind. And I remember vividly, I think it was the summer of 2016, seen it being like, oh, this hit. And it was because you may have gotten hacked on Snapchat. Remember that? And we said that the move. Because you said you got hacked, and then you said you didn't get hacked. And our take was, if you say you get hacked, you need to just go full hack. Start, like, tweeting like swastikas and, like, crazy and crypto scams and just be like, look, I'm actually hacked.

You should have done that.

You know, the problem with it is I was so drunk, I don't know if my mind could have gone there at that time, man. We were in Houston, and it was Olympic time. That's when we were on that tour. We played a game in la. We played a game in San Francisco. We played a game in Chicago. We were playing a game in Houston. Then we were headed to Rio from Houston. It's a closer flight from anywhere else in America, Miami or Houston. And, man, I had been drinking all night. I was going to bed for, like, 45 minutes. It happens. I realize it happens. And I'm going into this meeting, we have a team meeting, and I deleted it. But I'm in this whole.

You know, it's not deleted.

I'm in this meeting, fucking sweating bullets, man. Like, I don't know what's about to happen coming out of this meeting, but God damn it. And, you know, it just did not feel good. Lying and saying I was hacked.

Yeah, because it was clear you weren't hacked.

It's not me, man.

But if you had done rpr, you would have been hacked.

I should have. I could have just covered up with.

A bunch of random. That's like, oh, Draymond's hacked.

You're right.

PS5 giveaway.

Yeah, right. You're 1,000.

So hacked.

Hacked. But I. You know, hacked is the first thing everyone says.

It's the natural response, because most hackers do hack into phones, and they're like, I'm going to tweet out a picture of Draymond's dick.

I know, man. It was brutal. That was a brutal time. I'll give you a funny story about that time in my life. Tumultuous time in my life. Suspended from Game 5 of the NBA Finals. Lose the NBA Finals, get arrested for slapping the shit out of someone in East Lansing, Michigan. And then that happened. That was all. That was two and a half weeks.

Yeah.

And I remember after the fourth one, Bob Myers called me and Said, okay, okay. You done now? Are you done? He said, I've been letting you live. I came and sat and watched the game with you while you suspended from game five of the finals. Just tell me, are you done? Yeah, I said, bob, that's it. I'm done.

I hit for the cycle. I'm out. Yeah.

I'm about to head to the Olympics. Yep. Win me a gold medal and shut up. But I'm done. Nothing else for me right now. I'm done. But that was a funny time, man. It was treacherous. Like, boom, boom, boom. When it rains, it pours. Deaths comes in threes. Mine came in fours. It was brutal, man. Brutal time. Yeah.

You should just. Now, you know, if you ever get hacked again, just keep going with it.

I keep, like, five different pictures of other men's penises on my phone, so in case I ever send out mine, I just. I just put the other ones up there. And they don't know which one's mine.

Yeah, yeah, I think they gonna know which one.

The problem is. The problem is now, though, you can't. I. I do the fake hacked thing. Like, if one of my teams loses, I'll just. I'll tweet out, like, giving away a PS5, but now Twitter will actually, like, lock your account. I got my account locked last time.

Really?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The. I think it was last March Madness when the badgers lost in the tournament. I did, like, giving away a PS5, and they kicked me out of my account for 24 hours.

Twitter did.

Yeah.

And it was all. I. I knew I was doing it. I was tweeting, like, you know, please sign up, you know, free. I'm giving away three PS5s to prove that. Like, to. To show that I'm hacked so that people will stop being mean to me online. And then they're like, you must be hacked, and they kick me out.

So you know what? You must be the Draymond Green of Twitter, because I've gotten some texts that I've seen guys get text. I've gotten texts for a lot less, and it seemed like I've seen people tweet way worse things. Yeah.

Yeah.

They got strict on it and not get kicked off. You got kicked off for, like, 24 hours?

Yeah.

That's brutal. Yeah.

It's just because they thought he was hacked. Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay. But not because they're sick of you. No, mine's just the opposite. Yeah.

Yeah.

This has been awesome, though. Thank you so much for giving us the time. And like I said, we'd Love to have you back on anytime. And congrats on everything. Congrats on getting traded to Milwaukee. You're gonna love it there.

Welcome back.

Yeah. You know, some cheese curts.

Cheese does not sit well with my stomach.

Oh, you're gonna get ready to learn cheese, buddy.

You like beer? You like drinking beer?

Beer? I'm not a big beer drinker.

Okay, so no beer, no cheese. That's about all they got.

That's about all. So it's going to be tough.

Yeah.

I can get a boat and go across to Michigan. There you go. That'd be a good idea, no?

Yeah, that'd be a great idea.

We'll see. Oh, I tell you what. I've never. I've never been more worried about getting traded than I am.

It's gonna be interesting when we post this. Oh, well, Draymon, thanks much, so, so much, man. Really appreciate it.

I appreciate y' all having me. Incredible work y' all do. Big fan of y' all show. Thank you. I've been. Been keeping up for years.

Oh, our favorite stat line of yours. I can't remember what game it was, but you had, like, five points, five assists, five rebounds, a technical and a flagrant. That's the perfect dream.

I think we called that the. The Draymond hat trick.

Yeah. It's like you really made sure everyone knew you were in that game.

That's like when Jimmy V Says, like, if you can laugh, laugh, cry, hug, all in a day. That was a great day.

Yes.

You had the perfect basketball.

It's the perfect day, y'. All. Barstool, right?

Yeah.

I hate Dave. Hate Dave Portman. Okay.

All right, cool. Go on.

Oh, I think he made a shirt that said Draymond is a.

That's why I hate him.

Yeah, that's fair. That's a fair rivalry.

And then, you know what I found out? He was a Michigan guy. Yup.

He calls you little bro a lot. A lot.

What a clown. Little bro.

I love that.

You know what's crazy? He. As much as I hate him, I actually appreciate how he goes about his.

Yeah, well, you guys are. I mean, you guys both speak your mind.

I. I love how he goes, but I hate that guy. I love how he goes about his. I even watch. I even watch his one bite piece of review. I love how he goes about his man.

Yeah.

But then.

Yeah.

Yeah, I guess that's how people feel about me, huh? Yeah.

Yeah.

That's probably why I hate this guy.

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Okay. We now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest. It's been way too long. It is Scott Zolak. He does everything. He does Patriots games on the radio. He does a radio show every single day.

It's number one rated midday show in the country.

Number one in. In the country.

Yeah.

We're simulcast and all that. I mean, we don't have your outreach, obviously, with podcasts. Podcast. My producer, Tom. What were we, 137th last week? Podcast. What were you two?

We were one.

You're in the top 140, though. That's where you want to be.

Yeah. So it's Scott Zolak here and he's. He's here because we're back, man. Patriots are back in the Super Bowl. So let's start with that. Did you ex. There's no way you expected the super bowl this year going into the season. Let me take you back to August. What did you think this season was going to be?

We thought that they would be somewhat of a. Okay, so over and under on a team. I think it was what, seven?

Seven.

Like, yeah, big gamblers. I said there'll be somewhere around eight or nine because we were in games a year ago, lost. We only won four, but we didn't know how to win. They weren't well coached.

And that's.

No, no slap at Gerard. But when we got Mike and you saw the type of staff he's putting together. Like, Doug Marone's a former head coach in the league. He's a line coach. He's got three assistants with them. Josh has an assistant. Josh has been here forever in New England, he's going his ninth Super Bowl. So like, you know, if you knew. We knew Drake was good.

Good.

We didn't know Drake was this good.

Yeah, yeah.

And then at what point in the season were you like, oh, this is now? Because, you know, there's been a lot of talk about the schedule, but they kept on answering. I think the Bills game on that.

Sunday night football game that got it started. Yeah, like that, that Sunday night Buffalo got it started because he outdoed Josh Allen. Okay, okay. The jump starters. Because then we had a stretch of games, winnable games that we just start stacking them. I think it was what, 10, 10, 11 in a row. And we got to Tampa and they said, well, if they win in Tampa, you know, Tampa was coming off the buy, then they really got a shot here. So we beat Tampa and we get going again. Then we're up 21 points on Buffalo at home. We're thinking this is it. Then Buffalo comes back. Beats us now how they responded after that was Baltimore and we beat Baltimore that Sunday night down there. I knew we had a shot at this thing.

Yeah. Kind of shocking to think they're contender then.

Yeah.

Like to start the season, you lose to the Raiders. That's wild. Right back on. So.

And the Steelers.

Yeah. And well, the Raiders, like, especially considering how the, the. How the season turned out in Las Vegas sucked, man. So what, what do you know behind the scenes, like what happened after that game that kind of flipped the switch.

So Mike said, I always ask Mike this and he goes, it's second half Miami game. So Miami was week two. We never went in Miami because weird things happened down there. Even when Tom, you know, Tom would bleep the bed down there.

Can we say whatever the.

Yeah, this is great.

How you get number one.

You gotta see.

We gotta do this at that damn. Whatever regulation things we have on stupid ass radio.

Yeah, yeah. How many? Bleep button.

Oh my God. How many what? Probably about once a week. I'll drop it after it's the full.

I, I'll.

I'll the foot. I catch myself. And then they're like, nah, he let it get out.

Yeah, let it, let it fly here.

So you the bed down in Miami and then what?

Yeah, so like second half Miami, Roger has that big catch and we come back and Mike said, you know what, I got something here. And then it was the ability of the guys to believe in him and trust him him. And I think that's the biggest thing is, you know, I remember just covering it with Bill and Tom for 20 years we were a machine. You know, we're number one seed every year. It wasn't like where are we going to play? How are we going to play? Where are you going to play a team like which team you're going to get second round right to the divisional round and it's automatic super bowl. Like I'm calling my sixth Super Bowl.

Wow.

So I mean like you lose track of it. Not to. Not to make fun of the Bears or anything, but you look at the beginning of your season and you know, you bench Caleb, what a year ago.

Though he didn't get benched.

Yeah.

Soft benching.

Yeah, soft benching.

No, he didn't get benched at all.

What kind of.

No, he didn't.

What are we talking about?

He brought the country. Everybody was talking about.

He played the whole se. What are you talking about?

He get benched off play that well.

Time he didn't play well. He didn't have a coach mentally, but he did not.

We never bet.

Strike May let the record show he never. But Drake May didn't start the season.

But I. Okay, so I have a. I have a lot of respect.

Drake May was bench last year.

Williams.

I had a lot of respect for Caleb as this year went on because I mean the comebacks and to sort of play within a system and you know, he's such a system coach. You know, obviously coming from Detroit and you at times like you got to let these guys go out and make plays. We go through that with Drake because Josh is a real systematic. You got to do what we say, eight yard curls at eight yard curl. We're going to do rub routes, all this stuff. But the second Drake gets off containment, he's making plays nobody can can make.

And he makes plays with his feet. I mean you saw it in the. Was it the Chargers game where he had that Chargers play at the end of the first half? Yep.

And why AMC title game if he doesn't Denver.

Yeah.

He doesn't run that sneak in him. I this thing up.

Yeah.

Max is just killing it right now.

Is this high tech equipment?

It's pretty high.

You guys used to have the headsets on and stuff. I remember when we did this.

What I know it's been a long time.

First Super Bowl I did with you guys. We were outside, I think on the street and we had the goldfish out there.

Yeah, that's right.

Winners that way.

Yeah.

2019.

You guys had the credential Central.

Yeah.

You were in the. You were in the back of The. The van that we had.

Correct.

Yeah.

That's what I'm talking about with the goldfish.

Yeah, yeah. The Houston super bowl party. We were saying before. Oh, my God, one of the best nights ever.

So my wife comes out me at every super bowl and, you know, over the years, and, like, she doesn't even like the game. She likes to go to the party. So we would always do. I had a guy, Jordan Burchette, who I worked with at cstv.

He.

He was one of the content guys at Max Maxim. So we always had the end at the Maxim party. Maxim party was, like, the best party. Playboy party got overstacked with dudes. Like, you know, you had. Seriously, you get the naked servers with, you know, they have paint on their body. Yeah, but there's, like, one of those. Compared to, like, 500 guys, too many dudes. And then after about eight Playboy parties, he said, this is enough. But I thought, like, the best Maxim party was at the Fairmont, the undefeated year.

We were there.

That was a good one. And I've been to all of them. Been all those. And the barstool party in Houston, it really was. Is that Ja Rule?

Ja Rule and Ashan Special? Yeah.

Oh, that's dmx. It is, right?

That's a pretty good impression.

John Rul. Like, Dave's like, he's late. What should I do? Dave's up there, and he's like, you know, taking the things. And the best. Best moment of the night, Dave stabs me on the shoulder and he goes, tony Romos called me. He's, like, two blocks away in line. What should I do? I go, let him stay there. I said, this is great. It was the. Literally the great, greatest.

Yeah.

Ability to get liquor. And we had that private area in the back. And I don't know if you guys remember, the private area was elevated.

Yep.

There was a curtain there, but there was. It dropped off the wall. And I think it was Blake Bortles and Jared Goff.

Yeah.

One of them ended up falling off the thing.

We had them. We had them. We tell the story, but they all came back to the house after. And I remember the next morning, Jared called me and was like, hey, where's Blake? And I was like, what do you mean? How the. Would I know where?

They almost burned down the house that we were in.

They were. We. The.

The pizza rolls out late night.

That's right, dad.

Talk about sponsorship to everywhere.

That's all you guys ate that way.

They were trying to figure out how to use the oven. And the two of them couldn't figure out how to use the oven. And so it ended up just smoking out the whole kitchen. We had to step in and be like, no, you got to. You got to turn this temperature down. It was like 500 degrees almost.

My 16 year old kid. That's what he eats. Those little hugs.

And Blake portals watched Dave get head.

Shut up.

Yeah.

So is that the one video Dave had on?

No, no, no, not the video. That's federal crime zone. Well, you just said you can't find that online anymore. You just says federal crime. I'm talking about the fact that we had a house. I sat there.

I remember watching one day. That's not Dave.

No, his God, it's Dave off to the side. And Blake was in like the backyard and. And Dave forgot to put the blinds down.

Yeah, I think they did that intentionally.

Like I don't know that that story's ever been told.

Sort of street cred. Who's going to believe it, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

What a video that was with Dave up, man.

Federal crime. We'll lock you up right now. No, you. It's a federal crime to watch that.

I didn't watch it.

You. You just said you somebody did.

Told me about it.

You've been looking for it narrated to you.

Why was that a federal crime?

No, that was just the joke. D anyone who spreads it, it's a federal.

You never know. They had the Brady thing. I remember that back in the day. Now that was different.

It is so funny that like you look back, you're like, that's just a blip on the radar. Like, oh yeah, our boss had like multiple sex tapes. Yeah, like, oh yeah, whatever.

In fact, you called.

But yeah, that party was incredible. And then we. The minnesot sucked. And then we just stopped doing it.

Then you said, you know what? We're going to sell it to corporate. I remember Minnesota. The Minnesota one was terrible. You got there like it's all. Again, it's all turned into a playboy party.

It was also like 5 degrees outside the line was outdoors that that city sucked. It was tough.

Yeah. Yeah.

I got a question about the game because we have. We have Hank who's a resident doctor this week.

Yeah.

So it's Dr. Hank and he's reporting that Drake may shoulder is fine. That's totally fine.

I saw him before the rally. I think he's good to go.

Did you.

Did you.

I don't ask him about it. Like he had to read between a lot lines with stuff. You just know I played with guys Obviously bled zone guys that had shoulder stuff. You could tell when they're hurt. Winter stuff. And I'm.

What.

What I will do watching this game is I will watch it more intently. Like. So I'll watch once the pass is gone, then I look to where's the route? What's the coverage? Trying. Trying to help the people on the radio with that because we sort of got to paint the picture.

Yeah.

But I'll be staring at him to see how he gets up after every hit.

Yeah.

If it's like. If a guy moves over to the side. I went back and watched the old Dever stuff. There were like. Like everybody says it happened on the one Randre throw overthrow where they missed a blitz pickup. There's about 10 shots in that game where it could have happened. And I don't see him get up.

Weird.

Yeah.

In any of them. At any point. Man. We're. We're. We're 17 regular games into it. You got the bye week. Three playoff games. You're playing 20 plus games. Like everyone's. Everybody's sore.

Yeah.

And I think Vrabel's handled it the right way to sort of just leave it out there for everyone.

So give me. Let's do best case, worst case scenario. Best case, obviously the Patriots win. But how do they win?

How.

What does that game look like?

It's.

It's him becoming the mvp.

It's Drake, man.

It's got to be. What? The way we won games at the first half. Because I think we're two different teams now. First half of the year, Drake was carrying people. And, you know, you look at our receivers. Booty Pop, Douglas Diggs, who I love. Former Maryland guy. Fear the Turtle. We got good tight ends. You know, Hunter Henry's a good tight end. Our backs are good. Ray and Henderson. But we're not superstars. The best thing about us, when you come to the line of scrimmage for your defensive quarter coordinator. Who's our one. We don't have one.

Right.

Like drink will throw it to anybody. Right where Stafford's got, you know, devonte, Adams, Puka, all these guys. That guy's got, like true ones around him. And I love the whole MVP talk thing because it was like, well, Drake will be back. You never know if he'll be back. I played with Marino, 23. Danny went to a Super bowl. Never got back.

Yeah.

So you're never sure that you'll ever have the ability. Brady even said that. Oh. But. Well, he's buddies of Stafford, so all those guys are Going to vote for, for him.

Yeah, but. All right, so then the way you.

Win this game is he's got to play, you know, two touchdowns, 250. Like, I don't think he threw for 300 until week 14 or 15. And this year, never had a 300 yard game.

I didn't, I actually didn't know that until he did it. And then Hank was like, crazy. Yeah, that's the first time.

But he hits, he hits on 73 of his throws.

Right.

Except on third and six. You know about that?

No, I don't know that.

Oh, you got to say that for the. If you're painting the picture with the radio.

Yeah. Let me give you a little nugget. You like nuggets?

Yes.

Okay, so Drake may obviously look these.

Up or do they handle?

No, no, this is real. We, we, we dive deep into the numbers on the show. So obviously great quarterback, MVP type. Season completion percentage off the charts. Except on third and six. On third and six, he is the worst in the league since he's gotten into the league. He's connecting on like 25%.

You're factored in last year's too.

Yeah, between over the last two years.

That's fair.

He's 25% percent completion percentage. On third and six.

Have you looked up third and seven?

Third and seven, he's really good again. Yeah, third and five. He's really good. Third and six is kryptonite. You remember that scramble play that he had to seal the game against Denver? That was on the third and six. He wisely chose not to throw it. And he took off with his feet because he knows the completion percentage really bad. The sack fumble that he's processing, like.

Mike, I got, I got 36 is.

Is his one weakness. So if he can limit the mistakes on third and six, I think you have a great shot.

I think third and six and under, it's such a tweener to down.

Yeah.

They got in his head like, we don't want you taking off. We don't want you taking off. It's almost like you wait. You wait.

Look.

I just think open him up on third and short, like third shirt. Give him his legs. Like when he recognizes man and he's gone, he's got this weird. Remember Eric Dickerson would be upright. Drake's like so upright. We call him Bambi. I call him Bambi because it looks like he's going to get croaked. And he just glides right by people. It's unbelievable.

All right, so then, then how does this game go south. How, what does it look like? Like if the Seahawks. Because Seahawks are really, really good.

They're really good. But Sam Darnold I think is Sam Darnold.

Oh, is that good or bad though?

So for our defense that is on the rise right now playing their best football, you're not playing a scrambling guy. You're not playing a guy that breaks containment for defense and guys like Chazon and Jennings on the edge and Milt Williams in the middle of Barmore to understand that he's going to be five and a half yards directly behind center or seven and a half. He's never going to be outside the tackle ball box. He's a drop back quarterback. Yeah, it's, it's what you want as a defense to play and ultimately the biggest game ever and you got to attack him. I think they're going to go after him early in this game. I think that's, that's how you win this game. For the Patriots perspective, Drake plays great. Yeah, we're able to get to Darnold early because he will give you one or two. I've seen it before with the Jets.

Are you scared a little bit about the Seahawks defense because the Patriots offense does not look great in the playoffs but they played really good defenses because.

Everybody keeps saying they're legion. Legion of boom. 2.0 to me. Me man, when I did Super Bowl 49, that was my, my most favorite call. Favorite game. We were down what, 10, 14 the second half. We never ran the ball. It was Brady and Vereen and Edelman and Gronk and that defense. I knew every guy inside and out, every name. I know Weatherspoon, you know Jenny, you know a couple of these other guys that they have veteran guys that have been around Lawrence. Other like the other nine guys. I still going to study him.

Yeah. You're calling the game game.

They're dangerous. While the play by play guys got to know more, I'm basically. Yeah, you're right.

When do you start? When do you actually start? Like are you gonna crunch it Wednesday?

Well also on game day we get to the stadium six hours prior to kick.

So then you can just learn everyone's name.

I'll be able to tell you everything inside out. Yeah, I.

Photo.

Photographic memory they said. Photographic and pornographic memory. Really?

So that, that Patriot super, the Patriots Seahawks super, talking about what was your call on the very last play of the game? How did you react? Because I don't think I've seen that.

Oh, there was a Malcolm Butler one. Yeah, you can replay it too. I was cackling like thinking, I go, it's got to be the worst call in super bowl history. You got a running back who wears number 24 and you drop back pass, you deserve to lose the Super Bowl. That's, that's how it went off. So obviously that call goes everywhere. It's almost like the unicorn show ponies. Where the beef. Yeah, where's the beef call. So we're getting back on Tuesday to do the parade and we're all inside and we're at the TV studio and the team's over there and Bellic comes in and we have to tape our last roundup thing. And he goes, hey, come here, I want to show you something. He goes, I heard your call. It's the worst call in super bowl history to the drop back pass here. And he pulls up a third down play from earlier in the game where Patriots couldn't stop it. So they went regular base personnel now and beast mode on it. Like third one, he went off left side and I think he gained seven yards on third and short. So there was one time other in the game where they went goal line on a third one and they pinned him back.

It was, it was a tackle for a loss. I think it was high tired. I actually got the tackle for a loss and it was a two yard loss on third and one. So he said, I remembered that. So we went. That was a Malcolm go play. So it went only two DBs and it was, it was goal line and, and, and he was looking across and they went regular personnel. And this is when Ernie Adams knew that they drew up when they went stacked to that one side with short motion. They're running that pick rub play on the outside. Malcolm didn't play it while in practice, but he knew Browner. You could see Browner telling him, here's the thing, when they were out there prior to the snap, jam your foot and go on this. And that's what he did. He just drove on it. I don't even think he read it. Yeah, I think he jumped it before the rout even. Even started. Yeah, Bill just said, just so before you know it, like we, our defense made them throw it. There was probably a check with, with me where you get up there and you look and oh crap, they're going to shut this down.

Let's throw it. Because it was man to man outside.

Right?

Right.

So.

So be careful. But that's Bill being Bill. Like that's little things that you, you don't appreciate being around one of the greatest minds ever.

Well, do you think you should be in the hall of Fame?

Jesus Christ. It's. It's an embarrassment. So how would you like to go to hall of Fame this year and have that asterisk. I know the year Bill Belichick was not automatic.

It kind of sucks for the people that did get in because it's a celebration of their careers. They're.

They've all.

All been amazing athletes, amazing football minds, and they're deserving of getting in the hall of Fame. But this whole ceremony is just going to be like, where's Bill?

You just said it. This is based on your career and your accolades of what you've done. This isn't a personality contest. Bill's a tough guy to be around. You know, hey, it was great with me. But like, I've seen him be a curmudgeon of people and I understand why that would rub people the wrong way. So say even take two of the Super Bowls Wave. Oh, it's the flake gate spy game. It's all joke. I love that. Like the Spygate stuff happened. We all thought that was a joke at the time because nothing was applied to the games. You couldn't do that within a play in 11 seconds to say, oh, we picked your signal up. You actually know what the play call is and we're going to get ahead of it defensively. It doesn't make any sense. So like the next year they throttled teams. That's. That was the undefeated.

Yeah.

With Randy and then Spy gate or deflate Gate. You know, Tom had the regular ball and that's. You got the best of Tom Brady after. After Deflategate.

Yeah.

With the. With a non deflated football. Take two Super Bowls away from Bill. He's still in there with four as a head coach and two with the Giants. He's got eight total and he's still. That's still a resume to get in first ballot. Guys like him, Brady Manning, shoot Marino, you just stand up. You don't even have to make case say the name automatically in.

Yeah.

First ballot.

It is pretty crazy. Now being around Mike Vrabel is. Can you see some of the things that Belichick was good at that he's also good at some of it.

Mike Vo reminds me of parcels.

He's okay.

Tell us more of the motive innovator of knowing how to work with 53 different backgrounds of life when you come together at one time. Knowing how to push every guy's butt. Some guys you need to have their balls broken. And you can get after their ass. And some guys you gotta lay off because, hey, they're brought up in an easier environment. They kind of got a turtle. His energy is insane. I remember coming in in mornings with Parcels, and he'd be out there having one of those old styrofoam coffee cups. His bike. Bike shorts pulled up to his nipples because that's the way they always used to wear the old coaches with the spot belt. She was, hey, honey, how was last night? And this in the mid-90s? I go, wow. What do you mean? Well, how was Daisy Buchanan? You were there with so and so and so. I said, how the hell do you notice there was no Internet? You know, there was no. No cell phones when I played the 90s. So we got. You get away with literally anything. We dropped off, jumped off a stage at the Everclear concert. Some girl broke her neck.

But that was with Pete Carroll. If we did that with Parcels, our asses would have been glass. Like, we would have been. Bledsoe would have been safe, but he probably would have got after our ass.

Yeah.

He knows I'm the one who pushes the button.

Buttons.

Yeah. So he. He was tracking you.

Yeah, tracking us. But, like, Rabel's like that. He is aware of everything because he's actually like, the trade deadline. I didn't say, like, anything about the team not doing a move, but he's like, I get tagged. Because you're on a certain.

Oh, yeah, you had. You got caught by AI, right?

Oh, that was another thing with Drake.

Yeah. What was that?

Oh, so you want to do the AI story?

Yeah, let's do both.

We'll do AI, because he came out.

Rabel came after you twice.

Let's do the variable thing first.

Okay.

All right.

Yeah. Because you never, like. Because he's like, yeah, sometimes reporters, you know that. Because, like, sometimes they don't get things right.

You're.

You're.

You're.

You're a testament to that.

No, we get everything.

Oh, great.

Yeah.

And then we were doing radio the next week after the trade deadline, he goes, hey, before we do this, this is what you do. You go on air and you all over this, or we say this and that. But I'm like, mike, I didn't say anything. Like, my defense was I would give up a one or two or three or anything because this roster is so depleted. Tal, like, you lead those picks and everybody was like, give up two ones to go get. Like, who's the receiver from Philly? What's out? A.J. brown. A.J. brown. Yeah. Sorry. Just metal black. But Mike's like, they're not gonna trade for AJ right now. But I'm like, yeah. So why would everybody. Why would you guys give up two first round picks? So I sort of get lumped in with the station because we're. Other guys are critical on the station.

Yeah.

But. But it, like, the fact even knows that stuff. He's had antennas up, so he's kind of control of everything. So to the AI Store story, you got Dupay. I played against Mark May. His dad. His dad was in Carolina. I was in Maryland. His dad was a quarterback at Carolina. I was a quarterback, obviously, at Maryland. So we were off by, like, two years. But so I was talking to his dad a lot after his rookie year, and you know when they would come up and I'd see him at games. So he kind of knew it. I knew the background when Aunt and Michael. His wife. Current wife. Current wife.

His first wife.

Stupid. Yeah. You know, his wife got the biggest bacon. Stuff's awesome. David at great cookies. So the whole story was they've been together forever. Since middle school, since elementary. And it's one of your ultimate love stories. So I'm sitting there and I'm on. So. Oh. So I get kicked off Twitter. I've been banned from Twitter for this super bowl because it's in that freaking erector set out in the Six Flags parking lot. I said, I can't believe this got another super bowl because this is, like, so spread out. Look where we're at. We're downtown. Tapestry of this. Instead of being up in Santa Clara where the game. The gates an hour away. Yeah, you got to go here. You got to go there. Traffic's a nightmare. And I'm like, I can't believe this city's getting another Super Bowl. And I put it on Twitter, but I said the word super bowl, and I said, At 49ers, another I. And someone fought. 49ers alerted the league. Lee got touched. Twitter suspended me. And since Elon Musk bought it, I can't. I can't get my Twitter handle back. So I've been on Twitter for a year because of where the hell this.

This Super Bowl.

Okay.

Yeah.

I like how you. You tagged the 49ers in that tweet. Like, fix this. Well, yes.

Well, hey, you know, where I'm from, obviously people know who I am, but, like, we don't want to come back here. Go around the stadium. Look at all. They have banners up all around it because it's. It's all like girders underneath. Looks like Penn State.

Yeah.

It's not a great stadium. It really isn't one of your premier.

Back to the AI.

So. So my ability to not digest any news from Twitter, not have it at. I go to Facebook. I'm on Facebook, so I love Facebook. What are you laughing at? What are you doing on Facebook? So I'm reading this story. Drake made his wife at their wedding, decided to donate back to the. The homeless shelter back home in North Carolina. The kids schools and this and that. And I guess they mess her name up the wrong way. And there were things that just didn't line up. But I read it. I just thought, who would try and dupe somebody on this? Like, that's a great story. Right? That's a great human story. We live in a day and age now where everybody sucks socks.

No.

Oh, we're out to get this person. That person.

I follow.

I follow one of those accounts on. On Facebook. It's like, like Patriots fans Indonesia. And they had a story on there that they were going to name their son Foxborough. Their first. Their first son.

You should double check.

And you've been to Foxborough.

You should look into that.

Yeah.

Wait, so you get duped by that?

So I believe it. I didn't contact our show or our producers. He's saying over there be needle and we're on air. And I'm like, oh, by the way, did you guys see that cool story? Drake's donating all stuff and somehow it took off at tmz. Got it. This one. Got it. You guys had it, I think. And then, you know what was weird is I wasn't getting calls on it from like national people normally when I. I didn't go on it to break break news on it.

Yeah.

I wasn't reporting it.

Yeah.

I said it casually on our show. And I guess Mr. Kraft gave him a really, really good gift for. For, for the wedding. I guess he heard about, like, tell me this is a trip true. And I guess Drake had called in or something like, did you donate everything? It's not the case. I. I saw. I saw Drake in preseason. I'm like, hey. So I guess. No, I get it. Like, people get full.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It sucks.

I bet nothing buy it, you know? Yeah, sucks.

Yeah, I agree. I agree.

Wait, how much trouble you get in right now with AI?

A lot.

A lot. It's probably good that you don't have your Twitter account.

Yeah, I got in trouble for. For Kelsey tweet one time when Texans were kicking her ass in playoff a game, and I just start hammering Kelsey, and I was drunk at some bar, and you just start saying things you don't want to say. Yeah, but I had no problem putting in print ever.

Yeah, it happens.

It happens.

Wait, you were talking about Drew Bledso a second ago. I want you to tell the Drew Bledsoe story where you, like, thought that you were the man at that time.

Oh, yeah. So he never got hurt. I backed him up for eight years. Guy never get hurt. Now all of a sudden, he claps his lung for Brady when Brady's there for, what, one year? Luck born on third base. Yeah. So blood would have all these hits. He'd split, you know, he'd split his skin here. We'd see bone and that. We'd have fun on the sidelines. I remember Ted Johnson ripping his bicep, and it would curl up, and I got to, like, pull it up and down. Oh, it's great. Like, that's the stuff you appreciate. War Woods. So Drew broke his finger, hit it off a helmet, and it was the tip of his finger in his throwing hand. It just shattered. So they put pins in it. And I hear, yes, I hear this news. I'm like, oh, man, that sucks. I'm like, yes. Yeah, we had, like, three games left to go at. And so they. They. They ended up putting me into that. I. I start playing, and I played, like, one game, and then next thing I know, no, no, no, no. I didn't play immediately after that. So the Friday after he broke it, we're at practice, and I see the doctors talking.

They're like, well, let me ask you this. If we dub the figure up and we put a splint on the back of it, do you want to think. You want to try and see if you could throw the ball? I'm like, fuck, no, he doesn't want to do that. But I remember. Remember you talk about toughness. He's one of the toughest guys. I better. Everybody says Grogan. Grogan was obviously a tough guy, but Drew had to be held down like this with three of the doctors because they had to shoot up each individual joint in the finger.

Oh.

So they. And I had the third. Third degree high ankle sprayed. The way they shoot it up is they get the needle into the joint, but they move the needle until it hits the nerve, and that's when they release the medicine. So they had to wait for him to, like, clutch like that. I hear him screaming, and in there, they shoot it up. It's dumb. And there's a. There's a metal piece of wire sticking out the tip of his finger. So he starts throwing and I'm like, jesus Christ, he's got more rotation on his football than normal. And he said, yeah, because it's the, the wire digging into the football. That's the last thing, that's the last thing to leave the football when he throws it. I'm like, jesus Christ. It's like a freaking bullet.

Steroid.

Steroids, you know, like this guy. Can't stop him.

So.

So about two games it holds up, but then one of the games, the thing ends up falling apart and I end up starting the last couple games of the year.

So you, you mentioned Dan Marino. You backed him up for a year?

One year, Yep. He's from Pittsburgh.

I feel like Dan Marino doesn't get enough credit because, you know, obviously didn't win a Super Bowl. But like, sometimes I'll just be scrolling Twitter. Sorry not to rub it in, but I still have my account. And there'll be like a Dan Marino highlight and I'll be like, holy.

Oh my God. I said it to these guys. Rules all the time.

Like when he does like a nine step drop.

Yeah, it was like. I remember the one year Bledsoe and him was our opening day down in Miami was a monsoon. One guy threw five touchdown through five touchdowns. Four to Irving Friar. We threw three to Coats and it was just up and down like 500 yards. Offense was unbelievable. Yeah, Danny threw the ball better than anybody I've ever seen. That release. And it's just. It was crazy. But we went to parties in his house. Me, him, Damon Hewer, Ronde Gadson, Zach Thomas, Jason Taylor and that. We go in and Danny would have this Matt massive table outside. He put all these stone crabs over him. Joe's would set them up all the time from down in Miami. But he had this guest house in the back. This weirdo would look out the top of it, he goes, yeah, that's Jim Jensen up there. Can't kick him out. He's been living there for like two years. It's like David, you guys, right? Like Black Mike, like hanging out. Or Hank, Hank just hanging out. Dave's house. I remember those days when he first got Nantucket. All the videos of Hank there, so. Or gas. Gas is like legendary.

Yeah, but like Marino had this house out on a boat in the middle of Weston, out in western Lauderdale. And he had a guest house out there, but you had to go over this bridge to get there. It was Pretty freaking cool. That is to be hanging out with Dan Marino. I know he had this big wine cellar, but his favorite wine. We all grew up in Pittsburgh. We all had an uncle and he had Uncle Chucky who made wine in his bathtub. And you know, he crushed it with feet and grapes in that and it just got you fucked up. We drank the wine. He said, try this. He's at all these thirty. Thirty thousand dollar bottles and like, yeah. We were getting hired. Chocolate Chucky's wine.

That's awesome.

So the. I wanted to ask a question about Pittsburgh because it was. We were laughing about it last week. Mike McCarthy gets hired. Yeah. Everyone freaks out.

He's crying.

Then he does. Then he does the interview or the press.

Nobody realizes he's from Pittsburgh.

And everyone's like, oh, we love this.

This is great.

He's the way he will. Howard. Yeah. Howard.

Yeah.

All of them.

So everyone's in on him.

I grew up. I grew up in Allah right down a river. So you go, there's a. There's three river. There's three rivers. The Allegheny and the Monongahela form the Ohio right at the point. I grew up down my grandfather's. Worked in a steel mill. Stood in line with them getting government cheese when I was a kid. I remember that. But your only way out was to play ball. Man. So my dad coached Montana in high school. I'm from Montana's high school. I was 7 years old at the time getting a kicking tee when Joe kicked off. I still have his old. His chin strap from his final high school game.

Didn't you have a football he gave.

You that you rubbed for good luck? When I was a marriage Maryland. He gave me a football. Since he in the NFL one day. Joe Montana. So I used to take this ball before I first start rubbing. 16 times. I did it from all my starts at Maryland. And then FedEx like hey, we got to do something here. We got to get this football. So FedEx did this big thing went. Got the ball. Before my first NFL start. We were.09. Rubbed it 16 times. I was. And I was AFC player of the week. That was great.

Wow.

Yeah.

Shooting guards.

I didn't know what I was doing.

It is crazy. The. The talent that's come out of that area.

So just from our school. Stan be unusual for baseball people. He was from our hotel. My dad was from that school. But he. He was best friends with K. Griffey Senior.

Okay.

This is all in a town of 13, 000 people. You know.

Yeah.

And. But it Was like that. Every town around that dick at Dorset Reavis Namath.

What is.

What is it about that area that makes you good at sports?

Iron City Beer man. You know, it's. You live it. It's life. Sports is life. You're born in every. Like, all my friends, you all have footballs in your cribs when you're playing. Born like, that was a thing to do. Steeler. I had season tickets to Steeler games with my dad. Like, I remember four Super Bowls in with Terry Bradshaw. We would go to Three River Stadium. That's back when football was football and Pittsburgh. Football's life.

Yeah.

That's what it is. It is like the Penguins, they got to tolerate them right now, but there's no hoop team. Baseball team was great in 78 with Willie Starel and Dave Parker and Marina. Like, there were so many good guys back then. But.

But, like, we joke about how the. The Penguins in the. And the Pirates, they have the same colors as the Steelers just so that Pittsburgh people can also.

Right.

Yeah.

They're like, oh, it's just the. It's just the hockey. It's the. It's the Steelers on ice.

Correct.

Yeah.

I think the woods do it, too, because, like, hey, I think we're the Steelers or something.

Yeah. I mean, the. The black and The Black and yellow.

Black and yellow, black and yellow.

It's pretty sick. All right, so I got one last question for you. So this has been the best. You're. You're. I mean, you're.

Zo.

This is.

I'm not nuts.

Hank might have a question for you, too, but no. You're gonna get him in the party, right? That's not the question.

Yeah, we'll get him in.

Okay, sure.

If we gotta do. We had a dance off.

Me and the.

Dave had a ham off.

Yeah, it was good.

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It's the first time I'm asked score prediction. Oh, I'm taking the path because the reason I'm taking New England is I. I've done these games for 14 years now and no other season was there a game where they let go of the rope and they got blown out. Like Brady would lose 45 to 3 in one game to where they're asking a head coach after the Kansas City game week four. Would you reevaluate the quarterback position? Belichick, that was the odd to Cincinnati game after that like those teams would lose bad at least one or two games a year. This team like we. We lost to the Steelers should have won but turned it over five times. Should have beat the Raiders a week one, you know, should it be Buffalo we're up 21. Should have swept them. They're that good. They're that sound and I think they're going to get after Sam Darnold. I'm going 27, 20, 27, 23.

Are you got a first touchdown score or.

Madre Stevenson.

Okay. How'd he work his way house. He was in the doghouse earlier this year.

My cat is back after the Miami game because the next week after that he fumbled or no.

Was it.

Was it opening weeky fumble was the fumbles. And they said well you're gonna. Are you gonna bench him? He goes no, we're gonna need it. Why would I bench him? He's one of our best backs. One of our best guys on our team.

Yeah.

So Mike, having those guys backs when they screwed up in post game and the next week or the press really couldn't ride him. That gave her madre confidence. And when Henderson got nicked up at the end of the year here and he's fantastic as a rookie.

Yeah.

Radre, I think he's our second half mvp. Runs it, catches it. It's unbelievable. So I think he's. He's gonna run it in from about the six.

Why don't they give trivia on the ball more?

Don't really need to.

Yeah but he's got that like explosive, you know.

Gonna get outside. They gotta get him outside. Yeah, he's not the same between the tackles, Monte. Between the tackles is better.

All right, let's get. Let's get Hank here. Hank's got a question.

We got Hank.

F. I don't.

I really didn't have a question.

Confident.

Hank, you've got a question.

Favorite, favorite super bowl afterparty in the last out of the last three. I Do remember that? Lil Wayne. I just remember when you said that we were in the crowd in Atlanta with Lil Wayne blasting music and you were going crazy.

Oh, we went nuts. Yeah. But I think. I think the 49, when they beat Seattle. Here we go. Rehash of the Seattle one. That was my favorite one to call. That was the. Probably the best post game party because they were on a long horse pass and they had this big ranch out the middle of nowhere out past Arizona State. There were four huge ballrooms. I think it was Pitbull, Rick Ross.

Yep.

Was it Janet Jackson? And who's the guy that takes his shirt off?

Oh, okay.

Flow Rider. But the Gronkowski brothers were all with Flow Rider. That. That was like. You went ballroom to ballroom. Everybody was. We went nuts. That was awesome.

Great question, Hank. Thank you.

Yeah.

Yeah. It's 40, 28 to 3 coming back. That's where you and I. I lived it.

Yeah.

Yeah. You guys did it up then.

Yeah, we did it up.

Yeah.

Well, it's great having me on, guys. I appreciate it.

Great having you.

So you. I can't believe you've taken off so well. You guys are doing great.

We love our favorite guests.

Yeah, it's good. I'm a sucker for getting sponsored too, so. Yeah, well, you could do everything by sponsorship, man.

It's like, yeah, we got you your row back.

You know, you're damn good. I'm getting that. I'm get some twisted teeth too.

Yeah, you're walking out of here with a lot of stuff.

Thank you.

I appreciate it.

And we got a Chevy waiting for you downstairs.

That's what I drive.

Yeah, we go.

So GMC Chevy, go. Let's go.

All right, thanks so much.

Love you guys. Thanks, man.

Okay, let's wrap up the show. We've got guys on Hank. By the way, thank you to all the awls for purchasing pre ordering the book on Amazon. You can still do that part of my book. We got. We were number one in the movers and Shakers.

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Please buy it. It helps us. We're to going. Going to hopefully become New York Times bestsellers and then we'll get a tattoo.

Yep.

But yeah, thank you so much. It's going to be an awesome book. And also Greg Olson's on the back cover because he. He was like, where. How is. How am I not on this? And I was like, you are.

I think he's the only person that's publicly complained.

Well, he would have a fair complaint if he was not on the book. I agree 100% and I was very nervous that we would left someone out, but we didn't. He's on it, so we love him.

It's very cool though, to. To know that the awls want to read our stupid words.

Yeah.

In addition to listening to them. So thank you guys. It really does mean a lot.

He also added a. We added a page last night at dinner. Rico Bosco is going to include his very best blob set. So if you're an aspiring coach, this will also teach you basketball. Hank. Guys on Hank.

I feel like I shouldn't be reading these.

Do you want me to read. Read them. I'll read them.

I can send the memes.

Memes. Send it to me.

I think PFT should read them.

Everything you sent me.

I like. I think send them.

Send them to pfd.

I'll read them.

Everything.

Oh, he sent you the. The big black.

Nice.

I feel like most of these are going to be pro Hank ones.

Agreed.

Like, because if you're a Patriots fan, you're probably sick of me, so it's probably going to be very mean for me. Let's see. Okay, guys, on Hank and also a giant. That means just sent me. Just had a baby recently. I know choices like parenting aren't as important as golf, but what can I do to make sure my kid turns out to be a winner? Like Hank.

Golf more.

No, I didn't start golfing until I was. I was already a well established winner.

I wouldn't say you're a winner, of course.

Golf not. Not even close.

Right. So you should golf more at a young age if you want to be a winner of golf.

No, I think you. You want to play a lot of sports. I think in today's day and age with. With the modern day parenting and. And coaching, people are too focused on one sport. You gotta let your kid play everything.

The ratio of your time spent golfing and how good you are is way off.

I would disagree with that.

I would not Disagree. You played 67 rounds last year and you still aren't that good.

You didn't play six.

Define. He did define that.

Said that. He said he's going for 80 this year.

Year.

That's a lot of rounds.

That's a lot of rounds.

Hold on.

Nate. Do you think it's important to let your kids play every single sport but also right and left handed?

Good question.

Thank you.

What do you.

What are you.

Max is getting into his calculator.

Hold on.

He's going to take off his shoes if he has to count to 20.

Here we go. What is he.

What is he doing?

That's every five days, but it's actually less like, because of the winter.

Winter. It's probably. It's probably every third day he goes.

Guys can't have hobbies anymore.

It's crazy.

Yeah.

It's almost like we had two days off a week almost. And I golf every third day, though. Oh, I it up.

Oh, he it up.

How many rounds of play times did you do with your kid last year? It's probably a lot more.

It probably is. I'm going for way more than 80.

Hank, will you do a Soggy Sorrows if the Patriots lose?

Oh, good question. I think he has to.

Will PFT join you in Soggy Sorrows since he'd lose $40,000. I'm down. I'll do it.

Same.

Okay.

Okay, Perfect.

That means we're bringing it back for everyone.

Who was the last one?

Probably me.

I've never done one.

I did double doink.

I did. The last one I remember doing was in the office. Last most recent New York office. And I did the honk. That's where honk was born.

Okay. So, yeah, you probably did do the last one. All right, so soggy sours is officially on the table.

Hank seems like a dude who has never.

Wait, wouldn't you have to do it either way? Pft.

This question says, will pft join you in Asagi sorrow, since he'd lose 40,000.

But you would lose either way, so you should probably do it either way.

I. I don't think that's fair. Like, I can't be playing both sides of this. You. You know what? I'll do it either way. I'll do it either way. That's fair. I put myself in this situation.

Yes. Unless it's a tie.

Yeah, if it's a tie.

Yeah.

Wow.

Tie in the Super Bowl.

Never been done.

Would be incredible.

Yeah.

Hank seems like a dude who has never watched a single sporting event until the 2002 Super Bowl.

Yeah, I was eight years old.

Cold.

Yeah, Fair. Fair.

Nailed this one.

Fair retort.

Yeah. Hey, heartless Hank. That's mean. Oh, would you rather Drake May the bed this week and lose to Sam Darnold but the Celts 3 peat or Drake may kicks off the new Pat's dynasty with the super bowl win. But coach Missoula gets sent to the shadow realm, and the Celtics become a poverty franchise.

Oh, who's no One's sending Missoula to the shadow realm. So that's. That's an impossible question.

It's a tough hypothetical for you.

Okay, so the Celts just. They. They never win another playoff series.

That's a tough question.

That was a lot of dead air.

Can a guy not.

No.

I mean, the answer. I think the answer. Again, this is. Whatever. This is gotcha journalism. I knew this was coming with this second.

This is a fair to choose the.

Celtics not to go to the shadow realm.

Okay.

Patriots will be back. But. Yeah, it's. It's a tough question, but I would. I would.

I'd rather.

I mean, Celtics 3 ping would be awesome. And the Patriots will be backtrack me at 23.

Good point. This one's just mean. I don't know why. Memes included this one. Is it just me or does everyone else hate Hank? The 51 weeks of the year, too? That's mean. That's mean memes for you. Including that 51 weeks besides super bowl week. Oh, I love Hank.

I love Hank, too.

I love Hank.

I love. I love me as well.

Okay.

You don't love us.

Well, that wasn't the question.

But we. We're saying we love you.

I love me too.

Do you love any of us?

I. I don't hate me. 51 weeks of the year. It's probably like 10.

Hank is a good guy.

Lifelong.

What are your thoughts?

Do you love Hank? He's okay. Sometimes. Okay. That's actually as cool.

That was very nice.

You can't get.

You can't get closer to the lifelong lifelong Seahawks fan. Here I was wondering how much of the after super bowl party Hank has already planned out. Like how many different plans he will cancel after Drake May gets rocked for nine sacks and three turnovers. Go Hawks.

I haven't really made any plans for after Super Bowl.

I've just thought about mentally, though.

Yeah, mentally. Only plans I made is. Is getting to a hotel room to record the podcast.

That's a company man right there. Yes.

And then this last one is more of a visual question.

Question. Yeah, we saw that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Good job, memes.

That was it.

That wasn't that bad.

That was easy.

That was it.

That was good.

That wasn't that bad.

No.

A lot of them were named the four aces, and we already did that.

I already forgot. What was that?

Rocks?

Raul Mendoza.

I forgot to.

What are the other three?

Thomas Dietri, Thomas Peters, Dawson Johnson. There you go.

All right. Good show, boys. Let's do numbers. What do you guys got 60.

745.

I'm gonna go with 23.

Show it to me.

14.

14 in the back, Colton.

11.

11. Jonah. 37. 8. Shane. Let's go, Shane.

Let's go, Chargers.

Let's go, Chargers.

What's up, Shane?

Shane, you want to give a victory speech? They say how the week's gone. Great week. We had tiramisu last night. We did have tiramisu. And you are you. I didn't know this about you, but you're just a tiramisu guy.

Yeah, I love tiramisu.

That's just your number one one. It's definitely. It's like, it's hard.

I have like a, like, top three.

Of like tiramisu ice cream and cheesecake.

But if.

If I'd probably choose tiramisu over this might be me watching too much Mr. Beast before I go to bed. But we should do a challenge where it's like three of the greatest slices of tiramisu and one of them has an onion in it.

I mean.

I mean. Yeah.

Okay. All right, great. You're in. You're in for the challenge.

Shane wants to do a tiramisu crawl where he has five tiramisu's. Back to. Back to back.

That Roc.

Yeah.

That's a lot of tiramisu, though.

That's a lot of.

Way too much.

Have you guys ever had orange tiramisu?

No.

It's pretty good.

Hey, that was orange tiramisu, Shane.

Freak. No, Shane freaked out when I brought up orange tiramisu to him the other day.

Did you freak out a little bit?

Well, I'm just.

What.

What is the. What's the word? I'm just like a originalist.

Yeah, your originalist. That is the word.

What did you think of the tiramisu last night, Shane?

It was. It was an okay tiramisu. They didn't use. They didn't use lady fingers. They use, like a sponge cake and it soaked up too much coffee. It's too coffee.

Okay, okay.

I'm not enough balance.

Got it.

Love it.

Thank you, Shane.

Thanks, Shane.

Congrats on getting the number. Okay. Great show, boys. That was a really good Friday. All of our props, we're that much closer to the big game.

Love you guys, guys.

Love you guys too. Do you think that was a good show, Hank?

Great show.

I always think it's a great show when you're on it.

Same.

Love you guys. And also, happy birthday to. To some people out there, Stephen J. Well, no, that's Groundhog Day.

No, his birthday is today.

Happy birthday.

Did you not. Did you think his birthday was yesterday?

Yeah. Happy birthday, birthday guy. Happy birthday to Oscar De La Hoya, Lawrence, Taylor. Taylor and Natalie and Br.

Great guys.

And camron.

I like cameron.

Yeah, cameron. Love that dipset. Love you guys.

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