Transcript of DeAndre Hopkins, Shedeur In The Pro Bowl, Belichick Snubbed For Hall of Fame, Zac’s Stream List + FAQ’s

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Hey, football guy, but D-No. A-w-n.

Yeah, Welcome to Part of My Take, presented by DraftKings.

The Crown is yours. Today is Wednesday, January 28th. And PFT, I have a question for you to start the show. Why, oh why, will no one take the Cleveland Browns job knowing that you have a Pro Bowl quarterback.

It seems like it's a tailor-made job for success. Shador made the Pro Bowl. What else? Hot young talent. I want to know how Shador found out that he made the Pro Bowl, because usually the coach calls you, and the Browns don't have a coach. I was hoping that maybe Jeff Ulbrich's son had to give him a call and let him know as punishment for what he did during the draft. This might be what kills the Pro Bowl. We've been begging for the Pro Bowl to die. It's been on life support, and it's been time to pull the plug for a while. Maybe the fact that Shador made it, that should be the end of the line, right?

Shador Sanders, yes. The Pro Bowl, I love this for the discourse. I love how mad people are getting because the Pro Bowl, if you've been paying any attention, has not meant anything for a really long time now. And this is the final nail in the coffin. Shador had 1,400 yards, seven touch downs, 10 interceptions, and an 18. 9 QBR. He makes it as an alternate Because Drake mays in the Super Bowl, Josh Allen's hurt. Who else is on the list? Lamar's hurt.

I went through the list.

Herbert's hurt.

Aaron Rodgers is old.

Trevor Lawrence didn't get asked.

Is that true? I don't know. That's not- He must have gotten asked. He must have turned it down because I went through the list in my head and it's like, Bo Nicks is hurt. Gino would probably be one that did not get asked.

Which, by the way, when we did our Losers on Monday, we forgot Gino Smith. Again, loser is a relative term because he plays professional of football, and he's a quarterback, and he's made a ton of money. But Gino Smith got traded from the Seahawks, and they immediately went to the Super Bowl, and the team he went to got the number one pick. That's as brutal as it gets. There's one common denominator between the Seahawks and Raiders for it to be potentially the best team and the worst team, and it's Gino Smith.

I would say maybe Pete Carroll. Yeah. He would be on that list, too. But again, Pete Carroll never coached for the Raiders, so we don't have to talk about that. But yeah, I went through the list of every AFC quarterback yesterday, and I feel like Gino is the one that did not get asked. Dylan Gabriel did not get asked. Katie Cooke probably did not get asked.

What's the guy from...

Tua? Do you think Tua turned it That's the real question.

Tua probably didn't get asked. Who was the guy? Ola Dunca?

Ola Dunca? Yeah. Remember him? He probably did not get asked either.

Flacko should have made it.

C. J. Stroud should have made it. C.

J. Stroud definitely should have made it.

Philip Rivers.

Philip Rivers should have made it.

Absolutely. I think all these guys might have turned it down.

Yeah, Daniel Jones, I think he's injured, so he obviously turned it down.

But yeah, it's- What do you think, Kam Ward? Kam Ward should have made it ahead of Shador.

Absolutely. It's so funny, though. It is very funny. Because it really is. If they were intentionally trying to kill the Pro Bowl, mission accomplished. I saw Sean Merriman, which I didn't really think about this effect, but it is the truth. He tweeted, I have a Pro Bowl helmet that I walk by almost every day. It's signed by some of the best players in the history of the NFL, legends, Hall of Famers, and real goats. The Pro Bowl used to be a badge of honor and respected. Things have changed. For guys who made the Pro Bowl, and when they get introduced as three, four, five-time Pro Bowler, this probably does hurt. For everyone else, it's just very, very funny.

Yeah, and let's not act like the Pro Bowl was a great game because it never really was. It used to be better than it was at the very end when it was just obviously guys not trying to tackle and get hurt, which I also understand if you're in that game. But you talk to anybody that played in the Pro Bowl in the '90s, 2000. For the most part, it's like, yeah, we were in Hawaii, we were drunk during that game, which is that might be a better version is just do a drunk football game.

Drunk case race before the football game.

I would enjoy watching that. Yeah, case race, flag football game. That sounds like a great time.

It is just great, though, because no matter what next year, when Shador, if Shador has a bad game, Pro Bowler.

Pro Bowler. Hey, that's a Pro Bowler right there. They'll never take that away from them.

Pro Bowler. If you can't love my Pro at my Pro Bowl game at Tyler Hunt. You don't deserve it at Shador Sanders. That's where we're at. The Browns thing, though, is weird because it looks like we're going to get the head nipples in chief, Jim Schwartz back as a head coach. No one else wants it. Everyone's just basically pulling out. I do have a theory that Kyle Long actually texted me about last night, and he's spot on. This Steelchase. Sheilhaus. We've got another Tyler Shuck situation. What do you mean? His name is impossible. I read it every time. I read it as Steelchase, then it's Sheilhaus. His name is confusing. It's hard. It should be Steelchase.

It's hard to read, but when you hear Sheilhaus, you just think like, Eric house.

Yeah, but it's hard to read.

It's a badass name. Very hard to read. I don't know what the Browns are going to do. It does feel like Jim Schwartz is a guy, mostly because if they don't hire him as the head coach, they'll lose him as the DC, which is a real problem because that's obviously the strength of the Browns.

I think that's actually what's making everyone pull out is Jimmy Haslem is like, If we hire you, Jim Schwartz is our DC, and every guy is like, I don't want to come, which I totally understand. I don't want to come into a job where you have appointed me a DC who's very good at defensive coordinating, but you're essentially saying, If things go wrong, he's going to be the head coach. You're like, Hey, come take the Cleveland Brown's job. Oh, just by the way, we have an interim head coach waiting for you to fuck up.

Right. It's like you've got a great house, a perfect house. A shield house. A shield house, and you need to replace the deck on it. Then if that person comes in, the deck isn't what you thought, then you're like, Well, this whole house is fucked up. I'll just hire the guy that built the rest of it. Right. Listen, I like Jim Schwartz as a DC. It did not work out as a head coach for him, but he was in a tough situation there. Detroit, right? He was the Lion's head coach. And not many people have ever succeeded at doing that. So maybe you grade that on a curve a little bit. But the most important thing with Jim Schwartz is that his name is Jim Shorts, which I don't think we talk about enough. We have a man named Jim Shorts that's coaching professional football. We should be mentioning that almost every single day. I don't know who's going to coach the Browns. I don't know who's going to want to coach the Browns. I don't know what Haslem has in store for the quarterback situation because that feels like it's a major question mark.

You're going to be saddled with one of two guys, either Pro Bowler Shador Sanders or Pro Bowler Deshaun Watson.

Or Pro Bowl alternate Dylan Gabriel. Yes. You have to imagine he's an alternate.

Almost like an embarrassment of riches there.

What if Shadr lights it up in the Pro Bowl?

He probably will. Yeah, he probably will. Because he'll probably run the play that we call for him. Yeah.

Do you know what's the Taylor Swift song? It's Me, I'm the problem, it's me?

Yeah. Is that it? Yeah, I'm the problem, it's me. Yeah. I'm the problem. It's me.

That was my moment when the Jim Schwartz news was bubbling up on Monday night, and I was like, Oh, shit. We're going to get his nipples back. I went to find a picture of Jim Schwartz's nipples, and all the Google results were just me talking about Jim Schwartz's nipples.

Which is not fair because he does. Objectively, the man got rock-hard nipples.

Dude, he's got fucking diamond cutters. Okay? That's just a fact. But yeah, I've maybe made that bigger in my head. It's just the first result was just me asking Chris Long, Hey, what's up with Jim Schwartz's nipples?

Is this another moment?

He's just like, What are you talking about?

Is this another moment where you see a hot guy at the tailgate? Yeah. Then you keep talking about that, and you see Jim Schwartz's nipples one time, and you're like, Yeah, that's the guy with the big nipples.

Yeah, there it is. Me asking you, How are Jim Schwartz's nipples doing? That's what I asked Chris Long.

They do pop.

They do. They pop. Listen, Cleveland Browns fans, I know you're not feeling really awesome right now. Nipples. You just know that you got nipples in charge. Now, the other one that's weird, because the Browns, their quarterback situation is a mess. Their ownership, if you're an up and coming head coach, you're like, Hey, what's the ownership situation going to be like? All these things come into question. The Philadelphia Eagles can't find an offensive coordinator, and that seems like a pretty good job. What is it? Is it not wanting to play in Philadelphia? Is it not wanting to work for nick Siriani? Is it not wanting to have Dylan Hertz as your quarterback. What is it, Max?

I'm not in the meetings, all right? No one in this room is in the meetings, so no one knows what's going on and why we can't find a guy, all right? Maybe. I'm not going to sit over here and speculate on something that I don't know.

Maybe it's a little turnaround. Maybe in the past, the Eagles have made the Super Bowl, and people have immediately hired your coordinators out from under. Maybe you're waiting for the Super Bowl to be over so you can hire somebody from the Patriots or the Seahawks.

No, what happens is when we don't make the Super Bowl, we hire someone good, and then they just automatically get a head coaching job.

But it feels like we've broken that chain.

You don't know that.

I don't know that.

Someone's going to be the offensive coordinator, and we're not going to know until after next year if they're going to be a head coach.

We're right at that stage in the life cycle where you're about to hire the guy that's going to get hired away from you next year.

We're looking at this guy from the packers. He's a guy.

Yeah, go What's his name?

He used to be a quarterback. I just pulled this up.

Okay, that's good.

Keep going.

Played football. He played football. He's a quarterback's coach of the packers. Okay. This guy.

Okay.

You're telling me this guy is Sean Manion?

Sean Manion, Oregon State.

Yup.

You're telling me that guy doesn't look like a good candidate for the Eagles OC?

That's Kate's brother.

Yeah. Yeah.

Look at that. Come on now. That's a good candidate.

Sure. Yeah, sure. You didn't even know who he was.

That guy looks like he would file police reports if his house got egged. He would cry.

That's a football guy right there.

He looks like a cop.

Yeah. It would be funny in the interview, just throwing egg at him. How do you deal with this?

Or have someone come in and be like, Sir. Yeah, hey, sir.

It's a report. Your child was just booed on the way to kindergarten class. Do you have anything to say about this?

This guy looks like he could be an eagle.

Yeah, that That could be the guy.

How close do you think we are to maybe just promoting from within, like a Kevin Patulo?

There's the quarterback's coach, the Bowling Green guy. That's an option.

You know any of these guys?

Name, you know. I stated weeks ago that I don't care. You opted out. That I've opted out on this search.

You opted out.

You did. As soon as Dable and McDaniel were gone, it was like, I don't know anything. I don't know shit about shit. So let those guys figure it out and just hope that the offense is better next year.

If you look at the quarterback's coaches for the Patriots, you've got Ashton Grant, 29 years old. You've got Andrew Janoco, Janaco. Andrew Gnocco from the Seahawks. That sounds like a Philly name to me.

Can I throw out a name that maybe has misplayed his hand a little bit? Matt Nagui?

He's in conversation.

Yeah, Because he seems like that didn't really work out for him, where he essentially, Andy Reid was like, Yeah, we want him before the season. I think he's like, Hey, you're going to be a head coach or a play caller somewhere, so don't worry, you're going to move on. Oh, Eric Biennemi, we want you back. Then the comments about Eric Biennemi being like, Hey, he's going to give it to the guy straight. He's going to be a hard coach. That doesn't feel great for Matt Nagui.

Yeah, Matt Nagui, I don't know if he's built for Philly.

Maybe. Howie.

I've opted out. I'm going to trust Howie. I'm just going to trust Howie and Laurie and Sirianni to find the guy.

Matt Nagui does have a history of helping the Eagles win first-round playoff games.

He is from Pennsylvania because he played quarterback at Delaware, so maybe he's ready for it. Maybe Matt Naguih is the guy.

I don't know. What does Delaware have to do with anything?

I don't know. I just know that he played. I know he played at Delaware, and then I looked up and he's, Yeah, he's from Pennsylvania.

Most people who go to Delaware are from Pennsylvania.

But that's Dylan, just because he played football at Delaware.

No, but he's from Pennsylvania.

He dealt with Philly's man.

It was a backwards way. I remembered in my head that he went to college in Delaware, and then I looked up and I was like, Oh, yeah, he's from Pennsylvania.

Joe Flacko. Yeah. Delaware is a satellite school for Philadelphia.

My dad went to Delaware.

My uncle played football at Delaware.

There we go. See? Yeah.

That's all I got.

That was good.

That was really good. That was good analysis.

All right, so Matt Nagui, maybe.

How How is he going to find his guy?

Cleanup from Sunday. I had a couple of things. One, I had a thought. This is when you know your football just takes over your brain. I just woke up in the middle of the night and I was like, Do you think that Jared Stidham maybe regrets that he had to play in that game?

Oh, I thought that going into the game, that this is a bad moment for him because he's maybe the highest paid backup quarterback in the NFL. Then you have to go out there, you have to prove it. It's the accidentally got him poured at my job thing. Yeah, that sucks for him. It's not a great scenario. If he had gone out there and won this game, I would say Jared Cytum at that point should fake an injury so he wouldn't have to play in the Super Bowl.

He'd been a legend for life.

You'll always be known as the guy that got the Broncos to the Super Bowl in a backup duty. Yeah. I agree with that. I think he's probably like, Fuck, that sucked.

I've leaned towards that I don't think I have a problem with Sean Payton going for that fourth and 1 now that I'm thinking back, because everyone's playing the game of after the game. I know some people in the moment were like, take the points. But you were-We were saying in the cave, take the points. Yeah, I know. But I've been thinking about it more. It's like you never were going to get back to the red zone. They never got back to the red zone. The play call, Like PFT said on Sunday show, was bad. Yeah, that's the problem. If you can't get one yard, you don't deserve to win a football game.

Also, it's big time hindsight, looking back what you did on the couch.

They wanted a knockout punch.

What you did on that couch was, I thought, bullshit. You were like, did they not know the weather was going to come in, then the second half would be ugly. Nobody knows that that's going to happen. It's about if you get that first down right there, you increase your chances of winning the game almost exponentially. If you go up 14 to nothing, I thought that was the right call. It was a bad play call. That's the issue. Yeah, touch push. Yeah. Also in the moment, you didn't necessarily know that Jared Sydm was going to suck for the rest of the game. No. He hit that nice bomb downfield. That was cool. You could have guessed. He ran pretty good, effectively, I guess you could say. You did not expect the output to be what it ended up being in the second half. Yeah.

The weather police are also out in full force, even more so than we thought on Sunday night, being like, That was just the worst. I can't reiterate enough, though. The game was not good offensively before the weather showed up. I do think that the idea that, and we actually asked if we could get Kurt Warner on for Friday's show because we want to maybe talk to him about it and preview the Super Bowl. Personally, I like that football varies in terms of there's a dome team It's a track meet. Then a game like the AFC Championship game quickly becomes just a survival of the fittest. I know punts aren't sexy, but just thinking back to the Patriots punt to the 33-yard line being like, Holy shit, did that just swing the game? There's something about like, Hey, we just have to find a way. We have a new set of problems. We have to find a way that the conditions aren't perfect. I don't really want to take that out of football.

Imagine if they had kicked the field goal and that game was tied and a team had to score to win. Yeah. It would have been electric. I would have had a heart attack, but it would have been an unbelievable... How is a team scoring? Yeah.

Coaching is a big part of that. I like the stress that it puts on coaches to figure out a way to win in unusual conditions. That's part of the game. I don't want them to take that personality away from the game. But it also reminds you of when you're a kid and you're playing snow football and everyone's had that experience, and that's fun. I like watching that. Kurt Warner, I'm sure, is going to come on and be like, Yeah, every game should be played at Sofye Stadium.

It feels like he's gaining popularity. His take is gaining popularity because of how bad that game looked in the second half. But again, I think we're going to be in a day. It's going to happen no matter what, so it's pointless to complain about. But there will be a day in 10, 15 years where 90% of the league is in a dome, and I think that will suck. I think that will suck because we'll miss it. We'll miss having the weather elements impact a game, especially in the playoffs, where you have to be built in different ways. You can't just build the team one way and be like, No matter what, we're going to play this way.

Yeah. Also, a very important part of this is it gives losers an excuse to be like, That's weather lock. Weather lock. That's why these teams keep winning. We need every straw available to grasp on.

Yeah. The other story I had was from the NFC Championship game, the Cooper Cup elevator story, which was quite something. Michael Silver reported after the game that apparently when the Rams and Seahaw played in, was it week 15 or '16? Early in the year, that Thursday night game, Cooper Cup had a costly fumble in the first half. As both staffs were going down the elevator to the locker room for halftime, a A Rams assistant essentially said it to everyone, but was pretending to talk to only his guys, being like, Which Seattle player was responsible for that fumble? Someone was like, Oh, it's Cooper Cup. Then they at the idea because they're like, Yeah, he stinks. That's why we got rid of him. Then the Seahawks and Rams coordinators and staff had to be broken up. They almost fought in the elevator. That's awesome.

I like that.

It's fucking awesome.

Good for the league. I'm sad that it took this long for that story to come out. I know.

Apparently, they used it at halftime as a rallying cry, Cooper Cup. Then it comes out, Michael Silver talks a little bit more about Cooper Cup not wanting to retire. The Rams basically trying to get him to retire, maybe possibly badmouthing him in free agency. This is a redemptive arc for Cooper Cup in this Super Bowl.

He had that breakdown catch. He had that big third down against the Rams. That was a great revenge game for him.

He had the bet that Zack made on him to score another breakdown when the Seahaw had the ball with a minute and fifty left, up four.

Got to take a shot.

It was a panic pick, but you got to take a shoot.

That's the funniest fix ever.

Got to take a shot.

The events that would have had to take place would have been an all-timer.

Stafford has not He's excited on whether or not he's coming back next year. He's going to take some time. He's got to. I think he should.

I also forgot the Rams have two first-round picks.

Yeah, Falcons. Yeah.

The Rams feel like they're in a situation where they're basically at everything that is just on Matthew Stafford. If Matthew Stafford decides not to come back, it's going to be a blow-up situation. If he does come back, it's like, Hey, we're this close. Yeah. Did you guys see the stat, too? Which was funny because there's been a lot of talk about the Shana Hand coaching tree and all these guys. Obviously, there was the storyline of Ben Johnson and LaFleur, and then Ben Johnson had to play Sean McVay. The bottom three teams in Special Teams EPA in the last five years are the 49ers, the Rams, and the packers. The Shana Hand Coaching tree just doesn't give a fuck about special teams, and it bites them in the ass.

Interesting. Yeah. No, I didn't put that together. But yeah, those are three teams that we've talked about on the show- Correct. Consistently. Right.

Not having good- And they just don't... I don't know if they don't care about it, but they clearly put an emphasis not on, Hey, special team is very important. We need to make sure that we have all this tightened up, and it lost them the game on Sunday.

I think all three of those coaches have had moments where there are special teams, they know that it's a weakness, and the only thing they do to fix it is they put a star position player back there to return kicks.

Right, Kyron Williams.

Kyron Williams did that. They've done that in San Francisco a ton over the years.

Here's the exact stat. Since 2020, playoffs included, the EPA, I don't understand these numbers, Special Teams EPA, the Niners are minus 86. 83, their 30th. Packers are minus 165, so Almost twice as worse, and the Rams are minus 169.

It means they make a lot of mistakes.

It means they're also really good at everything else to cover up for those mistakes.

It's not a third of the game, but when you make a mistake on special teams, it ends up being a disproportionately costly mistake, as opposed to making a a quarterback. Maybe you throw a pick 25 yards down the field.

Because there's only... I mean, how many special teams plays are there in a game? There's not nearly as many compared to offensive and defensive snaps. So when you have one mistake out of, we'll call it 15, it's pretty apparent.

We saw them in the national title game, too. College football.

Yep. Special teams matter. We're here to tell you, special teams matter. Mike McDonald. There's going to be a lot of stories about Mike McDonald. I saw this stat, too. He is the first head coach to go to a Super Bowl who never took a snap of college football.

So it's the new era of nerd.

Yeah. Mike McDonald blew out his knee playing high school football and immediately started coaching, which I love that. He was that obsessed with football. The Wayne Kiffin. Yeah, he was that obsessed with football.

But I think it tracks. Did you read the story about Mike McDonald and the way that he spent his week leading up to the Rams game?

Not hanging out with his kid. Yeah.

He said he gets He gets about 30 minutes to an hour of personal time with his son Jack in a week, and the two barely get to see each other. How old is his son? There was a very funny graphic that said it was just Mike McDonald, and it said, Only sees his son for 30 minutes a week. Yeah.

I don't know.

Dad?

Yeah, that's not a lot of time. I would be bummed if I only saw my kids for 30 minutes a week.

What if you only play golf for 30 minutes a week, Hank?

Horrible.

I did see a follow It's nothing. It doesn't even count. I saw a follow-up to it from... I can't remember. It was Mitchell Schwartz, I think, followed up to it. He was like, People aren't understanding the NFL week. What he's talking about is Monday through Thursday is essentially the full install working endlessly. So yes, he doesn't see him then, but he was like, I guarantee you he sees him on Friday, Saturday, before the game on Sunday. So not as bad as the quote looked. He also said that the kids, most likely the head coach's kids, are at the facility, too, during the week hanging out.

He's not talking about like... He doesn't spend hours helping them with homework. But he does have them helping around the facility. That kid's probably getting him coffee, probably helping out. Probably doing These are going to be memories. These are going to be memories that the kid's going to have for the rest of his life.

Yeah, that one was tough, though. I did see. I think he probably regrets that quote because it felt... But Mike McDonald, incredible coach.

His son, Hank, to answer your question, one year old. Oh, so the kid's not going to remember.

It doesn't count. Kids are not going to remember anything. Kids become kids at two-ish, when they start walking, talking. Yeah, he's good.

Yeah, that's more of a problem I would expect for mom.

If the Seahawks win the Super Bowl, he's going to be a headphones on the field kid. That doesn't count. Yeah.

One of those. Memes, can you explain this tweet that you had?

What do you have?

About Adam Gase.

By the way, Mike McDonald, just to put a bow on it, his season this year, the Shanehan. Oh, no, this was actually last year. He just kills the Shanehan coaching tree. Every time he plays, he just brutalizes him.

He's an ax. Memes had a tweet, Mike McDonald sees his son for 30 minutes a week. They go on a Super Bowl run. Adam Gase skips Thanksgiving dinner with his family. The Jets lose 22 to 6, failed to score a countdown. Yeah.

To a winless bangles team. Yeah, that's right. He did skip his Thanksgiving. But if you're Adam Gase's family, aren't you happy? Maybe. That Adam Gase isn't around?

Maybe.

For Thanksgiving? That seems like a situation. You'd be like, Yeah, that's fine.

Yeah. What's he up to? Maybe next OC for the Eagles?

I don't know. He ran out of gas after everyone was like, Oh, so the whole just being OC for Peyton Manning was a good career move. Yeah.

Imagine Imagine if Jim Sorge had gotten into a game. That was probably his biggest fear, right? Was Peyton Manning gets hurt before the AFC Championship game? Yeah. Jim Sorge would have been like, Actually, I retire. Badger legend. I'd like to retire on the spot.

Okay, should we do... We have Hot Seat Cool thrown coming up, but I think it's time for the list. Unless you guys have anything else. Hank, how are you feeling now that it's Tuesday? You feel confident? Are you breaking down game tape? You were correct about the substitutions. I apologize. It's okay. Greg Olson and Coach Gruden. Did you say never wrong?

What?

You're never wrong? Okay. I was trying to apologize and be gracious, and then you just immediately spit my face.

I would also like to be gracious. Thank you. I've been thinking about this and my friend PFT over there, and I'm worried about him. I would like to give you a chance to take... I feel like you might have got pressure, too, into the double or nothing.

Pft was one who actually initially said it.

I would like to give you a chance. I know you probably thought about it. Hank, to clear this up. That was a heated gaming moment.

No. Hank, to clear this up, right after the game was over, we talked about it. I said to Max, I'm about to do something really stupid right now. Max, can you confirm? Confirm, confirm. I said, Hank, you want to do Double or Nothing. Then Big Cat was the one that brought it up on the podcast, but I had made the offer already.

The only reason I brought it up was I heard the offer, and I heard you be a chicken. Also, I donated the $5,000 to Pete Frady's fund. If you don't do Double or Nothing-Has did I?

Did PFT donate a thousand?

No, because I knew that we were going to have a conversation about this. You said we'll have a conversation.

If you don't do, you'll have to then double my donation.

I'm not scared of double or nothing. I am more confident than ever. I'm just giving PFT an opportunity. It's gracious.

Where's your confidence coming from? I want you guys to negotiate, but where's the confidence? Is it just Sam Darnal?

No, no, no. There's a few factors. One, I think the defense is underrated. I think that the Seahawks have not played a lot of great offense. They haven't played a lot. Besides the NFC West, their schedule is not that crazy either.

I mean, the Rams were the best offense.

I know, but I'm saying take out the NFC West and look at their schedule. There's not any crazy, crazy-We're doing schedule talk. It goes the other way. I was like, Let's look at the Seahaw schedule. I'm like, This isn't that impressive either.

You did that with the Broncos, too.

The number one thing, though, that it comes back to that I've been thinking about, because I think Sam Darnold is a lot better. I'm not going to put the Jets stink on him, the seeing goes, even though that is going to get brought up a lot. Mike Vrabel and Josh McDaniels have been here before. They know what it takes and what they have to do in the two weeks leading up to the Super Bowl. They know every single facet of Super Bowl preparation. They are going to have the Patriots more prepared than the Seahawks will. That is what it ultimately comes down to. I think I saw the Gruden and Greg Olson clip where they're talking about finding the little edges and how Vrabel is that good at that. I I think the coaching experience in these games is going to be a huge factor. That's where my confidence is coming from.

I agree with that. I'm looking at their schedule. They played, obviously, the Niners.

They played- But he said take out the good team.

Nfc West.

The four good teams they played, forget about it.

Okay, so we get the Steelers.

Okay. Well, no, they played four games. They played the Niners twice and the Rams twice. Take out that. Okay.

Take out the good team. We got the Steelers, good team. Bucks, good You guys played the Steelers, right?

Yeah. Did you beat them? No.

The Jaguars, good team. Texans. Hank.

Everyone's saying that the CJ trial was horrible.

I'm looking at a website right now that has the Seahawks as the fourth hardest schedule in the end of the year.

No, but Max, in defense of that, they didn't take out the four games they had against the two best teams.

Fair, fair, fair, fair, fair, I'm not bad. Sure. The Colts? That was Max Brosmer. Not bad. If we're being-I'm just trying to skate over.

Yeah, Falcons.

Falcons, not bad. The Colts, not bad. The Panthers, not bad.

But again, I didn't look at their schedule.

This one says 15. This one says 15.

I think they had a perfectly normal schedule.

But to answer your question, that is where my confidence is coming from. I think St. Arnold's good. I think that's a relatively even matchup in terms of the quarterback. I think Drake May is better. He's just a little bit younger. St. Arnold has more experienced. Not in these big games. It's both their first Super I think the coaching is the key.

You don't think Mike McDonald is a good coach?

Did you not listen to anything I did?

I heard some of your things, but Mike- Has Mike McDonald been...

Has Mike McDonald won three Super Bowl? Has he been the offensive coordinator for like 100? No, this is his first Super Bowl. He's going through his first Super Bowl. Mike Vrabel and Josh McDaniels, this is just a walk in the park. They've been here before. They know what they have to do. Mike McDonald has not.

I agree, Hank.

I think the coaching edge-It's always got you.

You always do it got you. No, it's not. I'm I was just asking about Mike McDonald.

I just said that I'm happy that our coaches have more experience. And your takeaway from that is, you don't think Mike McDonald is a good coach? That's all I said. You just didn't listen to anything I said.

Hank, here's why I take your point, and I agree with it, that the Patriots definitely have the edge in coaching based on experience.

Why you don't think Mike McDonald is a good coach?

Wait, hold on, Hank. You can't do this. You can't do that where I-Let me finish my point. You did your fucking schedule thing, and then you said take out the Rams in the Niners.

I just said take out the Rams. I don't even think the Niners were that good.

Their offense is pretty damn good.

They scored three points against them. Right.

What are you talking about? The Seahawks defense is good.

They're not against the Rams.

Okay, so, Hank, the only part that weakens this point that you're trying to make is last week, you did the exact same thing against Sean Payton and against Vance Joseph when you didn't know who the coaches were. I feel like that's your go-to that you keep going back.

No, but Super Bowl week is different. We got the coaching edge. Super Bowl week is different. There's more time in between. There's jitters.

Mike Greenwell is not coaching a He's been to three. I understand, but he's not coached in Super Bowl.

Probably probably been no more. But he knows.

He knows it.

He knows the week.

Yeah, no, I agree with that.

He understands the schedule.

That part for sure.

And what it takes, whatever. No, I agree with that part. I can't make a point about everything I say. You guys are like, You're wrong, you're wrong.

No, I'm not saying you're wrong. You're right. You're right.

I'm saying- No shit he hasn't coached in Super Bowl.

Yeah, I was just pointing that out because that is part of it. Coaching in Super Bowl is different than He's playing in a Super Bowl.

I agree that the Patriots have the coaching advantage. I agree.

Breaking Moose.

Joe braided is going to be the coach. Joe braided has agreed to terms. He's the Bill's head coach.

Okay.

I like it.

That's good.

I like it. I love Joe braided. Joe braided, friend of the program. Good hire. Joe braided has been a guy that we've rooted for since LSU. So this obviously speaks highly of his relationship with Josh because it felt like Josh Allen was the one that was making this choice for head coach. Yes.

Hank, back to what you're saying. You're right. I shouldn't have said, you don't think Mike McDaniel is a good coach. My point was, I think Mike McDaniel... I don't think the coaching difference is that vast. I don't think Mike Vrabel is just so much better. He's a very, very good coach. I think Mike McDonald is a very, very good head coach, too.

I agree. I think it's just getting the players ready, though. I think coaching Xs and O's, they're probably the same. But I think it's, again, Vrabel, all the players talk about how tight the locker room is, the culture that he's built, and all that. It's like, I think Vrabel is going to get all the players in the right mindset.

Sounds like you weren't listening to the story about Cooper Cup and everyone rallying around the elevator fight. That seems like they're pretty tight. That was a joke. I was trying to lighten the mood because I feel like it's going in a bad direction.

No, I'm just defense. It is what it is. Well, no. It's against the world. It's not the defense. I can't make a point without it. You ask me a question, I answer it. Well, actually, everything you said is wrong.

No, but you bring up arguments as a cherry pick. Then when I say, But what about this? You're like, Well, no.

My argument was that Vrabel and McDaniels have blend the Super Bowl. You're like, Mike McDonald. You don't think Mike McDonald is a good coach?

I took that part back. But the schedule thing where you take out the Rams and the Niners, those are pretty big data points.

I was just saying that was my observation.

Okay.

How about this? I'm not a data. I'm not like, if you take out... I wasn't using statistics and data. I was just using my eyeballs.

How about this, Hank?

I looked at their schedule and was like, Yeah, take these teams out. That's who cares.

Let's negotiate. What if I put a $40,000 bet on the Patriots money line in the Super Bowl? When it hits, you get $80,000 Then I keep the rest.

I guess that would be the same.

No.

Okay.

Why would I do that?

Because you just said we're doing double or nothing right now.

Yeah, I know. But you would win. How much would you win?

Well, you'd have the- You would just not lose anything. No, but you'd have the added luxury of if the Patriots If I had won the Super Bowl, it's like I'd be out $40,000 no matter what.

Wait, no. If the Patriots won the Super Bowl, you would have been out.

Or if the Patriots lose the Super Bowl, in this case, I would be out $40,000. Whereas if we did double or nothing on the Super Bowl, I would pay no money.

If the Patriots win the Super Bowl, you would make $38,000.

Right. But if they lost the Super Bowl, right now- You would have just lost $40,000, not $80,000. Yeah. Right now, as we stand, it's double or nothing. Meaning if the Patriots lose the Super Bowl, I don't pay a single cent. Correct. But if we do this bet and the Patriots lose the Super Bowl, at least, Hank, in your eyes, I would be losing $40,000.

Actually, yeah, let's do that. Let's shake on that. Okay.

Oh, all right.

It's been shook on.

All right.

Why are you smiling? What did you figure out? I actually know. I actually agree. I know what you're going to say, and I agree with how you're playing this.

Now get the clips of PFT is going to have no choice but to be rooting hard for the Patriots. That'll be fun to look back after the fact. The fact that he's actually putting up 40 grand is like, I won't feel as bad taking the money.

The 80,000 would have been a tricky thing to take from him.

This is like PFT. He's like, PFT, he's not losing 80,000. It would be...

No, he's going to lose. He now is going to lose either 40,000 or win 38,000.

Yeah.

Or I guess he would win 38,000.

I got to be honest with Big Cat. I would gladly pay $40,000 for a Patriot Super Bowl loss. That's how I'm looking at it.

Yeah, no, it's smart for you.

That's a great deal. That's just good investing.

I'll be at the game, but I can't wait to see how you You end up having to root for this.

You do lose the rub it in factor.

No.

Yeah, you do.

We'll see about that.

Well, the initial rub it in factor of like, now you owe me $80,000.

Taking $80,000 cash from PFT is going to be like, I disagree with that. Okay. Because now it's not like, it's not like hypothetical. I feel bad taking it.

No, you owe it to me and you better pay right away. Tuesday, settle up day.

Yeah. I mean, Hank knew that I would have such a It's a hard time taking even $9,000 from him that he just never did it.

Yeah, that's true. Which I understand. The misremembering, I didn't make $5,000 worth of Sarlays. The debt was $4,000, and then we bet it on golf. It's not like I never paid anything. It's just wrong.

What happened after golf, though?

Then it was the middle of the season, and you said, You said, Let's wait till Super Bowl.

Did I say that? Yeah.

You're like, I'm going to have to owe you $50,000.

Oh, okay. I don't remember saying that, but I trust you. I trust you. I trust you. Hank's never wrong.

This is reminding me of memes yesterday when he said it's going to be a hostile work environment for the next two weeks. Then we asked him who's making it hostile. He just said me.

Yeah, memes.

It is. This is hostile. It's contentious. We're not even in San Francisco yet. Memes, turn on your mic. I haven't said a word. Yeah, I know, but you probably like the hostility. I love it. Do you want to hop in on the hostility? What were you saying to Hank to make it hostile yesterday? Nothing. You were just giving him a blanket statement of, Hey, buddy, listen, it's going to get hostile. Yeah. Are you nervous at all about that, Hank? No. Memes is not someone you want to have hostile towards you.

Means has never not been hostile towards me.

That's true, actually. But what if he gets extra hostile?

I'm not worried about it. I won't hear him. I won't hear it.

Here's what we're doing.

Means is extra hostile. Hustle. I know Memes talks trash on me behind my back 24/7. There's not extra hours. You can't add on to 24/7. It doesn't really change anything.

That is true. When this side of the desk-I walk in all the time and you guys are just sitting around our corner just talking about me. When this side of the desk goes at you, we're not talking shit when we leave the studio. That side of the booth is staying silent, and then when we walk out, they're like, Fuck Hank.

Or their mics are off. Mimes is mumbling under his breath. That's true.

We're saying it's your face.

You might- I say plenty of shit to Hank's face.

Mimes, can you do me a favor? Can we do... Yeah, you do. Can we do full immunity, okay? Full immunity. You have full immunity. This is like international waters. You cannot be charged for any crimes or anything you're going to say. I would appreciate if you just took all your thoughts for the next 10 days and wrote them down, and then on the Friday before the Super Bowl, we could just do a memes log. Done. Okay, love that. Just every meme thought you think of, and we'll just dump them all out on the Friday before Super Bowl. I love it. I did think about when you guys went to the car show yesterday, just breaking his lefty clubs.

That's perfect for the memes log.

I didn't do it. Yeah, write that down on the memes log. Any thought, and you cannot be held accountable for any of it. Okay, let's do... That was It's a simple question of how you feel, Hank, that we got all the way here. Okay, late breaking news. I have already left the office, but we thought we had to talk about it because Bill Polian has kept Bill Belichick out of the Hall of Fame as a first ballot Hall of Famer in one of the biggest hater moves of all time.

We don't know who has made the Hall of Fame yet and who hasn't, but the news was that Belichick did not receive the necessary votes. This is a disaster for all Patriots You might think, Bill Pauling, you think you've won the battle? You lost the war, buddy, because this is exactly how the next two weeks play out. New England Patriots fans have a just deserved cause to feel like it's us against the world. Nobody likes us. And guess what? You can't argue with them about this point. No one believes in the Patriots, Hank. You got your wish. It feels like the Patriots are going to win the Super Bowl off this news. But it's a travesty. It's mockery. Travis Shay mockery.

Yeah. Well, go ahead, Hank. What are your thoughts?

Me and PFT were doing some research earlier. I need to know because it wasn't... Obviously, it wasn't Bill Pollian was the one lobbying for this. But There was other voters. Who are these voters?

How are they NFL voters? There's 50 voters in the room. You need 40 out of 50 to become a first ballot Hall of Famer. I said right away, this needs to be televised because whoever Guys got to stand behind their votes and actually stand up there in front of the camera and say, This is why I'm not voting. Yeah, PFT, there's an angle for the Super Bowl, but I think it's... Obviously, the bigger angle is if there's not a... Whatever you feel about Bill Belichick, if there's not the definition of a Hall of First Ballet Hall of Famer, quintessential Hall of Famer, it's Bill Belichick. The guy has six Super Bowl as a head coach, another two for the Giants. It What it does is Bill Paulian has basically made a joke of the Hall of Fame. Because the Hall of Fame looks really stupid being like, Yeah, Bill Belichick is not a first Ballet Hall of Famer. It's like that one guy who voted against Derek Jeter. It was the dumbest thing ever when that happened. You just basically make a mockery of your entire institution. You hate him, but you now made it all look stupid for what?

It also makes the Robert Kraft even more blatant. It's like Robert Kraft, Jerry Jones in the Hall of Fame, and Robert Kraft has way more success in a way for a recent time than Jerry Jones. And so Bill Belichick not getting in, too, is like, It's clearly just the NFL against the Patriots. Why?

What is the day of the induction ceremony this year? Patriots fans would not- August. I could not blame them for doing a January sixth at Canton the day before the induction ceremony. I actually don't put it past Patriots. Probably led by people in this very office, maybe our return to the NFL's good graces might be short-lived because I would say early August, There's going to be a ruckus, and it's well deserved. Hank, you could accuse me of hating the Patriots or wishing. I don't hate the Patriots. I think you've had enough success, which is why I root against you in many cases this season. But it's ridiculous that Bill Belichick is not a first ballot Hall of Famer, and it's ridiculous that Bill Polian did this seemingly out of spite that he tried to rally his voices just because he's mad that he was the GM for the Bills and the Colts, and they kicked the shit out him for years, and he's tried to hold him down for a a long time. We do need to see what the votes are in that room.

Who are these sheep? Like, Bill Polian, yeah, he's a salty whatever. But who are the people that heard what he said and said, You know what? You're right.

Yeah. You're right, hey, because it's more than just him, but he Obviously, he's the ring leader. It's crazy, too, because it's the most short-sighted move, I think, in the history of spite moves, because Bill Paulian has united all the sports media behind Bill Belichick. This is like his glow up is now now back where everyone's like, This makes no sense. And Bill Polian, you look like the saltiest. If you had to do one spin zone for Bill Pollian, Hater of the Year and waiting this long, that is a hat tip move. But other than that, Bill Pollian now looks like a joke, and his legacy is a joke.

Now, if you found out that Jordan was behind this and she told Bill Polian to do this against Bill, knowing that there would be backlash against Bill Polian and pro- Bill Belichick, I would say PR move of the century for her.

Easily. No Instagram stories from Jordan yet.

Oh, set alerts. Her next Instagram story is going to be a fucking banger.

I agree, though, Hank. We need to get these names. I don't know why it's the league that televises everything. We have made the NFL draft an entire traveling circus. The Combine, we watch guys run around in tight shorts. They have a night to release the schedule individual in late May. Give us a Hall of Fame vote on television and let us see it. Tell me that wouldn't do great ratings, and it also would be interesting to see everyone state their case because all I understand from the Hall of Fame voting is 50 dudes who sit in a room in a hotel lobby and they argue back and forth, and every single person has their own bias, and they lay their bias out there, and they all just go back and forth, and then we get it spit out in a Schefter tweet saying, These guys got in, these guys didn't.

Yeah. The issue is it's the Pro Football Hall of Fame, not the NFL Hall of Fame. The writers and everybody would have to agree to that, not like the NFL could. Although I'm sure the NFL could say, Hey, we need to televise this, and probably strong arm them into doing that. They did reach Peter King for comment because he retired from the committee. Peter King walked away from the committee. So he's saying, It's not on me because I'm not voting anymore. Peter, you could have stuck around. If you had stuck around, maybe you put a stop to this. He said, Holy F-Dash-Dash. I'm not sure what word he used. Could have been holy fart, could have been the other bad F word, or it could have been fuck. I'm very, very surprised. A lot of things happen in that room that are unexpected. And of course, this is a big surprise to me. It's ridiculous. If Robert Kraft gets in and Belichick doesn't- I have some breaking moves. Okay, breaking moves.

Shadr Sanders was a pro-baller before Bill Belichick became a Hall of Famer.

Yep. Cash your tickets. Hungary Dog.

Breaking moves.

Vet. I'm going to go with. This is how he pronounced his name, writes for SI, said, I just spoke on the When I was on the phone with Bill Polian, asked whether he was an influence on Bill Belichick being snubbed by the Hall of Fame, his quote, That's totally and categorically untrue. I voted for him.

The plot thicken.

So either Bill Polian is the biggest coward in the world, or there's a deep state plot to undermine Bill Polian.

Bill Pollian. Bill Pollian. Read that statement again.

I just spoke on the phone with Bill Pollian and asked whether he was an influence on Bill Belichick being snubbed by the Hall of Fame. His quote, That's totally and categorically untrue. I voted for him.

So that was really smart by Bill Pollian. He lobbied against Bill Belichick and then voted for him. He was like, Hey, it wasn't me.

Or I thought of another possibility. Could this have been led by somebody from Robert Kraft's camp for Kraft to get in, and then he pens it on Bill Polian?

Yeah. I don't know. The plot does thicken. We got to get the names. We got to get the names.

I want people in that room.

This is one of those things, dude.

You need people in the room. Speak up. Need people in the room.

Need people in the room. Hey, anyone who's in the room who wants to anonymously hit up part of my take, Zack, what's your email? Say it again one more time.

That was a mistake.

That was a mistake. We get it by so many people. Zack, we will hit up Zack. If you were in the room, Zack will read all the people who hit him up and we're in the room on Friday's show.

Pmtbatcherparty@gmail. Com.

Okay. Pmtbatcherparty@gmail. Com. Then we'll use that email. We'll bleep out Zack's email.

Okay, smart. But we need to know the real story.

We Zack will go through all the emails, and he will find the people in that room. It's crazy. Also, big picture, it's one of those situations that everyone's going to get really mad about for 12 hours, and then we're going to forget about it, and then he's going to be in the Hall of Fame next year.

Well, yeah, but this is an actual piece of damage that you can do to Bill Belichick because he is such- Correct. He's not a first ballot. He's such a football guy, and he cares deeply about things like the Football Hall of Fame, that this is a way that you can hurt him by not making him a first ballot Hall of Famer. So whoever did it, I guess, good job in figuring out a way to hurt your nemesis.

But be very careful because it does feel like we're all now rooting for Bill Belichick. As you should. That's what I'm saying.

As you should, as football guys.

The Internet has decided the guy who everyone hated forever is now, they're like, Hey, he's the victim here, which he is. I mean, it's crazy. The Hall of Fame should stand as... It's our same It's a argument that we make every single year about the baseball Hall of Fame, and Barry Bond should be in. It's a joke to have a Hall of Fame and not have the best baseball player. It's a joke to have a Hall of Fame and not have the best coach of all time in. This is a joke. The Hall of Fame is a complete joke now. So Bill Paulian or maybe not Bill Paulian, you fucked it up. We got to find out who's in that room. Hank, you got to get some digging.

I'm on it.

You are?

Yes. Yeah. Okay.

What was the hesitation?

I'm on it.

Hank, what are the odds that the braided 4 ride together again, the Belichick four?

Hi. I'd say- Can I throw out a hypothetical to you, Hank?

Yes.

Saturday, let's say 12: 30, you're at Hole 8 at Spy Glass, and you get a text, and someone says, Hey, I'm a trusted source. I have all the information. Call me right now. It's going to take about 45 minutes to break it all down, but you can report it first on part of my take. Yeah.

We'll catch up on Hole 11.

There we go. It's a business trip for Hank.

That's fucking huge, Hank. Yeah.

It'll be good for the video.

But wait, Hank, but this would be- That we're filming. But we're going to be working. So you'd say that you'd stop working on Saturday. I would- And you take a personal phone call.

Bill Belichick and the Patriots, Tom braided, whatever you want to call it, it goes above work. That's my family when people are like, Family comes first.

Above your golf family, all the holes. Yes.

This is my- So you would throw your kids to the side? I don't have kids. These aren't like- No, you're golf holes. Oh, yeah.

You're the new Mike McDonald.

I would kick the kids away.

Yeah. I only see my 13th hole for 30 minutes a week.

Yeah. All right. So What's the email again, Max? Pmtbacheler?

I think it's PMTbachelerparty. Com. Listen, no one said it was easy being journalist.

You got to... Part of being a journalist is the people who want to anonymously tip us, they have to figure it out.

Or you can just DM the part of my take accounts.

Yeah. Give us the inside scoop. Tell us who, and Zack will give us his findings on Friday's show.

And we will keep you anonymous if you wish to remain.

And if you wish to not remain anonymous, we will shout out your Twitter and Instagram handle. Yep.

I found it. What? Yeah, no, I was right. Pmtbacheleparty@gmail. Com. Nice. What, Hank? Nailed it.

Hank, what? It's going to be a lot. It's going to be a lot.

Well, we want to know.

We're going to get a lot of tips.

We're willing to go through all the fake sources and fake tips if it means that we get the good one. This is important journalism. I think we can do it.

Hank, you don't seem like you're bought in.

Can I give you some advice, Hank?

You guys do your thing, I'll do my thing.

Okay, what thing are you doing?

Having our fans, whoever's going through that is going through hell.

What thing are you doing?

What, PMTbacheleparty@gmail. Com? Yeah. That's hell. Zack's a loafer.

That is hell. That's your workhorse, dude. That's hell.

Look at Zack. Zack, are you ready for this?

Journalists have got a journal.

Yes. Listen, I'm going to ask, respectfully, don't email the fake scoops. No matter what, if you have a fake scoop, do not email Zack. He's I'm going to get very confused if you do. So please, only 100% authentic scoops coming through that pipeline.

Let me just throw in one more thing. Authentic scoops and titties. That's it. We will not accept anything else. If you want to send Zack some titties, you can do that. But authentic scoops as well.

Completely fine. Yeah. Hank, you got to put a deadline. You got to put a deadline. They need to make this right by this day.

I think they will.

I think they're going to have to reverse this. Or else, give them a deadline.

By Monday. It's got to be done before Media Day.

Or else.

Yeah.

Or else. Okay. All right, let's get back to we're going to do an ad, and then we'll get to Zack's list. Let's do Zack's list, though. Before we do that, DraftKings.

Can we do Zack's List? One quick thing.

Yeah, one quick question. How are you feeling, Hank? Just fucking car crash. Everything falling apart.

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Okay, so what we're going to do here, Zack, just to refresh everyone, Zack lost the Picks Competition, the year-long best bets Picks Competition. He has to do a stream for the AWLs on our YouTube for 36 hours. We're going to probably do it sometime. I would guess if we had to just pick a week, it's probably going to be two weeks after the Super Bowl, like the third week in February, somewhere in there. We'll figure out exactly. He's going to do a 36-hour stream, max Max has to join him for 18 hours. He has created a list that I've told him no bad ideas. We will not be judging bad ideas. Max actually did say, he said, yes, bad ideas. I will be judging bad ideas.

No, I'm going to be supportive. Okay.

To be To be fair, I think that Max is being treated very poorly because he finished in second place, and we never make the second-place person do a punishment, and for some reason, we're just singling Max out.

That's not true. It's just funny that last year, we decided not to do that.

Okay, sorry.

I'm just saying it's funny that last year we-Max is right.

Last year, we had five people.

Max is right.

Everyone keeps saying that someone doesn't finish in second place with five people.

But it's like five people. What? It's an odd number.

No one finishes in second?

Do you understand why it's an odd number?

I finished 10 games above 500 in this Picks competition. Max is right. It's fair. Thank you, Max. After we abolished the second place thing last year, we're bringing it back because Abolished.

You wanted to be the NBA where half the league makes the playoff? Abolished.

We abolished it. You want me to use a different word? It was accurate. It was an accurate word.

We abolished it.

Abolished is a great word.

But I'm going to be supportive.

I'm supportive.

I'm happy. All right, so Zack's idea. We tease it on Sunday. The first idea was run a 10K inside the booth, which how many times back and forth did we say it was?

I think it's about 12,000 times back and forth. I love that idea. I might have done the math wrong on that. But it's thousands of times back and forth.

It's a bad idea. No, it's not.

It's an early idea.

We're one for one.

The streams are so many weeks away. This list is so early. There's going to be some fun ideas, some terrible ideas, and we move from here.

You guys can also... It can be you do 5K, max is 5k. Yeah, right.

I'll chip in a k. Yeah, same. I'll do 1k.

A lot of ks thrown around.

Yeah, I'll do a k. It is a little bit... We got 3ks over here.

The square footage of this is Coffee with content, Kim.

What do you got?

The square footage of the booth is a little smaller than... I was writing this list outside of the studio. In my head, the booth seemed a little bit bigger. When you stand in here and think about it, it is tiny. Yeah.

Okay, well, there's no bad ideas. I also want to-I watched that guy do a 10K on a dishwasher the other day.

Wait, what? It's like a guy on Instagram. That's his whole thing is running 10Ks.

10k anywhere?

He ran a 10K in a toilet.

How?

Just circling it.

Running around it?

Yeah. How big is this guy?

That's not on a toilet. He's running around.

No, no, no, no. On the seat. He's standing on the seat. I think he did a post ranking the worst ones he had to do, and he was like, Toilet was the worst because it kept slipping in.

That's incredible. Okay, so, Zack, I also think that everyone here who's not Max or Zack, we should all to maybe do one of these ideas because we will help out with the stream. We'll be involved.

Who knows? Maybe we pivot different ideas and add ideas later. Yeah. Okay. The first one I have on here is a spooky booth. Max and Zack play it with a Ouija board.

In the booth.

Spooky booth. I like that.

Do you know that we're not doing this stream in the booth?

No, he doesn't.

We are making you a streaming setup inside of the studio. But spooky booth.

That one felt like...

But we're two for two on booth things where the stream is not being held.

Spooky Studio does not hit like Spooky Booth.

That's just a coincidence.

I just wanted to be like, we're making you a setup for your streams going forward, and this is going to be the first one of that, and that is not in this booth.

I love Spooky Booth.

We are back to back on Bootside Booth. I'm just letting you know. Okay.

It was a booth coincidence. That's on me. We're going to do what? It's a simple booth coincidence. I was also thinking, made me and Max try to be chained together, which is a game to have on steam. That could be fun.

You just chain each other together?

In the game, you're chained together and you try to climb this big… You go from hell to heaven. You climb just a bunch of structures.

It's a great idea. That's a great idea.

I think that could be fun.

How does the booth come into that one?

That one was besides booth.

Okay.

Can we chain you guys together in real life?

Yes, we will be chained together until we finish chain. Yes.

Okay.

That's entertaining to the viewers. That's good.

It's called the Co-op Game from Hell. So it's really hard?

It's pretty difficult.

Okay. It's funny. That's a good idea.

We talked about the 10K. We'll skip that. I got a week one time capsule. Me and Max make a couple of pics for next week one NFL season. We bury them in the ground. Then week one next year, we dig them up. I love it. But there's two lists, so we don't know which list goes in the ground.

How do you do that on the stream?

Wait, what do you mean there's two lists? You don't know which one goes in the ground?

We make two lists of pics, and they get shuffled, so we don't know which list is in the capsule.

Are these futures for next year or is this week one plays? Because we will not know the schedule.

This is an early development.

Got it.

Just a brain dump. Okay, yeah. It's good. No, I like it. You got to...

What if you just pick all your games for next year against the spread? You just say a team. Just whatever.

Because I guess you roll.

Whatever their spread is. You make spreads? No, No, you can just be like the bears week two. Yeah. And then whenever their closing line is, that's what you get.

I like that.

Or like on Thursday when we tape the show, that's the line that we use. Yeah.

Well, no, but this is... No, it's like you We look at it at the end of the year, and it's like whatever their closing line is. See how you did. Okay.

This next one is Itch Golf. It would be the opposite of Scratch Golf. Max and Zack competing 18 holes on the PlayStation. I think that could be fun.

Where's the itch come in?

It's the opposite of scratch golf because we're bad golfers.

You guys should do-It's scratch and itch, though.

I think there should be an itch. There should be an itch in golf.

I think it's going to be itching powder in your pants. You itching while you're golfing.

That wasn't on here.

What about Zack? We golf on the big screen.

We golf big screen could play as well. We got PlayStation big screen. We got the alternate reality golf with the golf cave. We got a couple of different golf options. Just a rough idea.

We're not going to do it like the last time where you guys are locked in a room. You guys can use any space. We're going to make it good for the viewer.

We got to figure out something to make you itchy, though.

Yeah, I think the itch part.

We should just play real golf then. They're in the simulator. Zack and I are the worst golfers in this.

But you got to be itchy.

You guys should play golf as a scramble till you get a par.

They'd get a par.

Depending on how itchy.

I think we're-But that would be-I think the problem is-No, Birdy, I think, that would be the-I think Zack and Max, though, are losing the whole, We got to figure out the itchy part.

The itchy part is scratch golfers are good golfers. We're a bad golfer.

You got to be itchy.

Yeah, we got to do something-Maybe every time we don't get, we have to put a little bit of itchy powder.

What about shirts off?

Nope. I'm going to stop you right there. I'm going to stop you right there.

I just follow me for 100 second. No, no, no, no. But it just shirts off. You guys There's golf on the simulator. We get a giant feather. While one of you is hitting, the other one is tickling the other one on the small of the back with the feather. That's tickle golf. Itch golf. Oh, that's tickle golf.

What about this?

I forgot the rules to tickle golf.

You guys get a haircut like an hour before, and you don't take your shirt off, you don't take a shower. You'll be itchy by the time you're eating.

Yeah, no, that does suck. Yeah.

Okay. Maybe we wear a lot of Velcro.

Yeah.

Sure.

I got another one on here. It's who's going to carry the balloons? That's running back the balloon game, but we wear a weighted vest to make it a little bit difficult.

Oh, love that. So keepy-uppy, but you have weighted vests on.

But we're weighted vest. After a while, I feel like I could get-Definitely.

That's good.

I thought for a second-Would it be vests or would it be the wrist weight?

I think you could do both, though, because moving around in a weighted vest gets tiring. We just weight you guys up.

I thought they were talking about wearing weighted vests and having a bunch of helium balloons and then just trying to stay on the ground.

Yeah.

Like an up.

How long do you think you could keep- I don't think a hot air balloon would keep me. If we did a balloon in this studio and one of you was blindfolded, the other one had to tell him when to hit, how long do you think you keep it in there?

I actually like that. That could be fun. That could be fun.

I can add that one. That would be a good time.

Okay.

This next one is Sleep tight, take one. Max and Zack writing, Eagle's Bedtime Story. Yes.

Could be huge. Yes. Done.

I like that Sleep tight, Saquon. Sleep tight, Saquon is a great name.

I need it. I need it.

Next one, Scott, play charades. Yeah.

Okay.

Also, Zack has-I'm in for that. I'm going to hop it on Sleep tight, Saquon. Zack has to write it out without using spell check. Yes.

Max, you're an artist, right? You draw?

Nope.

You should illustrate it.

I could do that. I could do that. Can I have one change on the charades? Booth? Definitely. Okay, all right. That feels like a perfect booth activity. Booth charades where one of you is in the booth and the other one's out here, so you can't hear them.

So it transcends booth because that makes a sense.

Yes, you can't cheat.

This studio might be set up for charades.

Yeah, this might be a perfect charade. We might have built a charade's arena without knowing it.

I've got a Goop, Goop, Goop on here, which is me and Max playing our creators. Oh, okay.

Nice. That's good for middle of the night. You can slot that in.

I People are going to want to see that. Yeah.

So that's 10 hours? Goop, Goop, Goop.

This one's bad. We can toss it. It's called a hot brush. It's like wine and paint, but we drink hot sauce.

It's a bad idea. What's the wine and paint part?

A lot of girls A lot of ladies do wine and paint, so they paint murals and drink wine. We would be painting murals and. It's a terrible idea.

I like that. No, I like that idea.

It's terrible idea. It's a terrible idea. It's terrible idea. It's terrible idea.

Hot ones with art. With painting.

And just hot sauce.

And just drinking hot sauce.

And no question. Our shit.

Maybe we get Sean Evans to stop by.

Can I go off of that? What about wine and paint? You guys paint, but the whole time, you just wine about shit? You're like, Oh, this fucking stream stinks.

I could do that.

That would be funny.

We abolish second place. This is bullshit.

They're going to get rid of the touch push. They're going to make me take off my shirt for each call.

No, they're going to keep the touch push now because the eagles are bad at it now. Now, they're going to keep it.

But wine and paint would be good. Were just wine the whole time.

That could be fun. You get some stuff off your chest. It's good to vent. This next one is karaoke.

Yes, sold. You don't need to go any further.

Can I guess on what it is? Yeah. Singing and making eggs?

No.

Oh, singing and yoke.

Yeah, I like that. I like making eggs, though. That could be a lot of fun. That's better than this. This pales in comparison. Okay, so what is this? This is just me and Max karaoke, but as we're trying to sing karaoke, we have to finish a You'll Play Yogurt.

Oh, okay. Bad idea. No, I love that. Are you eating yogurt while you're karaoke? What about you, Yo-Yo? One of you yo-yos, one of you eats the yogurt.

Yo-squared?

What about- You got to get through an entire song keeping the Yo-Yo alive.

While the other person feeds them Yo-Play. Triple Yo? Yeah, Triple Yo.

These are so much better than 10k that you started with.

No, 10K is great. We're doing the 10K. Okay, keep going.

Max and Zack, checkers rematch. That's personal.

I didn't know there was a first game.

There was, and Max smoked me, and I want to get back.

We also didn't You guys did three rows of checkers. That's not checkers.

There's supposed to be three rows of checkers. We only did two rows of checkers.

People also said Zack through the game.

It was early on in Zack, and I think he was beating me, and then all of a sudden, I think he lost on purpose because he was scared.

He didn't want to big dog you. Correct.

Is it possible to actually play chess against checkers? I don't think so. One guy gets checkers pieces, one guy gets chess pieces. I don't think so. Okay. No, because the bishops are on different colors, so that wouldn't work. Yeah, that's it.

What if you play- And also everything.

What if you play the goal of the game?

All parts of it.

But it would be funny to watch you guys figure that out.

But it's the bishop. What if you play chess using the checkers pieces, and then everyone in the chat will be like, It's checkers, and then you guys can be like, It's chest, not checkers.

You have to just announce what you're… You move it and you're like, That was my horse.

I like that.

Every piece would just be your queen.

Yeah. Okay, we'll figure that one out.

This next one is part of my empty pasta. Max is like, Get appetizers.

Love it. That was just a lunch break. Yeah, we just did.

That's a good one.

We should get the slicing going. Yeah, we could do that. We should get the slicing going for it. That's a great one.

This next one is a memoman. We see who can cover themselves in post-it notes quicker.

That's great. Okay.

A yoga with an instructor. Yeah. Maybe get a little loose.

Do you know an instructor?

There's going to be tons. Some guys know. Yeah, we got instructors.

Okay. Do you have one you could maybe text?

Yeah, guys know instructors. Yeah, all sorts of guys know instructors.

What was the last text?

I don't know.

I'd have to check.

It's been a while.

Are you smarter than a fifth grader? But we go until we graduate high school. Okay. I've got hiring a drill instructor for boot camp, but it's memes.

Oh, like that.

Max and Zack competing cup stacking.

Okay.

Puff Man, so you can complete a Pacman maze quicker, but it's cheese puffs.

Wait. Talk me through that one real quick.

You duct tape a small maze on the ground.

Then you eat it yourself?

You try to Pac-Man it.

Oh, I love that.

That one's tough, but it could be fun.

You guys are Pac-Man? Yeah. Okay, love that.

This next one is Sassy Lego. We're going to try to build a Lego set with acrylic nails on.

That's got to be done.

Sassy Lego. Sassy Lego has to be done. Sassy Lego is good. Sassy Lego, I like a lot.

That's a winner. I might sign up for Sassy Lego with the boys. Oh, fuck.

Maybe a break in the world record for most T-shirts worn at once.

Okay. That's got to be crazy.

We would need some big T-shirts.

It's also like, I bet you that record is like 800 or something.

It has to be from a very small person.

Final boss is just grab That's one of the Colton shirts. Yeah.

We do know a guy with the biggest shirt. We do.

He has the biggest shirts.

We've got... What's it? My bad, skipped. This one is called Silent Socks. While blindfolded, you have to put on a sock filled with something, and guess what it is?

That's a great idea.

I like that one. That is so good.

I can tell whether or not these ideas are good or not just by the names, by the way. Yeah. Zack's got some banger names. Hank?

I I don't have the name for it, and I also don't know how that would work visually on the stream, but I've always had a competition idea of trying to plug in something in the darkness.

I like that. Also, this Silent It's like you're in a dark room and whoever prefs it.

How would that look visually?

Yeah, I did preface it with that.

You could just blindfold. We could just be blindfold. True.

Yeah, true.

Glow stakes.

I also... Do you guys ever watch the videos of it's like Chinese guys in a room together and they have the rubber ducks tape to their feet, and one of them is blindfolded and has a belt, and if you move, they whip each other. We should play a round of that. Okay. That, I think we should all do because it is very funny. Everyone's just silently, like, crouching, and then if you move a little bit, the duck goes, and then he just turns around and tries to whip you. Okay.

I like the socks idea, though. That's a winner.

Yeah, for sure.

I've only got two more on here. Last couple is that one of them is just given the pimp mats a real attempt, just trying to really become more lined, zen, relaxed. Okay, the mats. Then the last one is brisket boys, which would just be everybody enjoying brisket sandwiches.

Love that. Okay. Brisket boys might be the conclusion of the whole stream. Yeah.

Well, the antipost. Yeah, that goes.

No, but the last hour being brisket boys. We all joined and we just do brisket boys.

So hopefully we can build from there, but a couple People could play.

Is that your big brisket fan?

Yeah, I would say so.

Max, what if you smoke some meats? You have a lot of time. You could start the brisket when the stream starts. So the end of the stream is Bisket Boys.

I could try and do that. That could be fun.

That would be really fun.

Bread? I could bring in Chef Diesel. The bread boys could make some bread and some briskets, brisket sandwiches.

That would be good.

Sounds like a great stream. I'm excited. I'm glad that Max agreed to do second place.

Yeah, I'm excited. I think the people like it.

It'll be good. It's going to be great. Like I said, I'm already signed up for... I gave you a K, so I'm in for a K, and I'm definitely in for sassy Legos.

Awesome.

It's going to be so hard. It's going to be so hard. Legos, when was the last time you guys legoed?

They're sneaky hard. They are. Fully equipped.

I do it with my son sometimes. He asked me for help, and I'm just like, I don't think I got it.

I'm excited What? Puff Man. What's Puff Man again? Pac-man. Oh, yeah. We call it something Puff Daddy, maybe.

And also Itch a Golf with you guys having your shirts off.

We're going to workshop that one.

We'll workshop it. A huge, gigantic automatic feather, oversize the feather as you swing.

This is great that you did this, Zack, because now for all the people that need to know of the tech and everything, we're just going to send him what you said.

Figure this out.

Yeah, figure It's figuring this out. How can we do all of this?

Discypher this. Okay, let's do Hot Seat Cool Throne. Then we have DeAndre Hopkins on the show, and we'll finish off with the FAQ's Hot Seat Cool Throne. It's brought to you by Pizza Hut. Big games this weekend, and here's the move. The Big New Yorker, it's Pizza The Huts. Biggest pizza for the biggest games, The Big New Yorker is massive, and it's just 10 bucks. Order the Big New Yorker ahead of the game, 10 bucks for a limited time. Don't forget to pizza before the Hut at pizzahut. Com or in the app. Listen, we all know, weekends, Pizza Hut, Big New Yorker, big games, pizzahut. Com. Go order it right now, pizzahut. Com or in the app. Hank, what's your hut seat cool throw?

My hut? Hut.

Hut. Hut.

It was Alex Honold. I think it's more just pocket watchers. Okay. Because people are mad, are upset, surprised that Alex Honold only got paid 500K for doing his climb. But there was- Why? Because I don't know. I think they see Jake Paul gets like 100 million. It was a big event. Everyone was talking about it. He probably could have gotten more. But in an article, he said, I think it's just Alex Honold. This is just how he is. He said, I would have done it for free. If the building let me, I would have done it for free.

He doesn't seem like a guy who's got a ton of expenses.

No. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. It was a huge event. It was probably one of the most talked about things of the weekend besides the in the playoffs, probably had hundreds of millions of viewers, but that's just how he is. Again, he said, It's tough to negotiate when you're like, they probably went to the table and was like, Can I do this? They're like, Yeah, we can get you the clearance. He's like, Okay.

What would it take for you toHe's like, Oh, I'm getting paid? What would it take for you to attempt this?

Also, other hot seat would be there. There's a couple of videos I saw because I was watching videos that got on my algorithm. There's videos of now people in Taiwan starting to try to do it on that tower.

Bad idea.

Very bad idea.

But no one can make it one story.

I guess the only argument that you can make against Alex Honold would be other people that do free solo. He's set the market right now for all their attempts.

I have a-But I don't think people shouldn't be free soloing.

Agreed.

No, agreed. I have a question, though. If he slipped and died, would they have kept it live?

No, they had a 10-second delay.

Okay, so then I'm out on this whole thing. It's like the Willenda I know that's very fucked up of me, but I also I can't watch something without knowing there's actually a fear or a world where someone could die. Counterpoint. Yeah.

That would have been nuts. If you're watching live and it just cuts out, it's like, Oh, my God, something just happened. Then there would be videos that came out.

There would be videos, you're right.

You would still get that like, Holy shit, something just happened.

You're right. It should have been 500,000 if you make it, and then 3 million if you die. Ghost your family.

Then you could just slip.

But he obviously wasn't trying to die. It would have been very funny if he had started it and gone up 10 feet and then intentionally slipped off and been like, Oops. And fell to the ground be like, Okay, let's try this again.

I don't know. It's the same thing as the Willenda's. I got out on the Willenda's stream because I was like, They're not going to show if he falls. I know that's fucked up, but isn't that the whole idea?

That was the tightrope walking?

Yeah, grand game. Isn't the whole idea of watching it is like, he could fall and you could see this?

Yeah, it makes me uncomfortable just talking about this thing.

I'm not rooting for the fall, but the idea of it is for the viewer.

I still think you would get that effect, though. You would. Then you would have the choice of whether you wanted to watch it or not because you know that it would be everywhere on x. Com, the Everything app, because it is all happening on x.

It's all happening. Especially like snuff films. They don't want to watch.

I just recently, I don't know what happened. Head videos. I just got back into the Ukrainian drone strikes on personal drone strikes on Russians. Not good. That just got back in my feed. I saw five of them last night.

Not good. What head videos we talked about, Hank?

Good head videos. Oh, yeah. But I was watching It was like an all-22 video, and then it auto-played a head video, and then I scrolled up and up, and it was four and a half.

Yeah, Fisoli's video got in the porn algorithm.

Yes, I was just about to say that. I was watching the Fisoli video and out loud at my desk, and Zack was right next to me, just immediately Immediately after just middle of deep penetration. It was like, That makes sense. Twitter thinks this is born.

Fisoli has always said that if he was a hot chick, he would do OnlyFans.

On the record. He's always been on the record.

If everything about him was different, he would make a lot of money on OnlyFans. Okay.

Cool tone? My cool tone is PFT.

Oh, why is that?

You're taller than Diego Pavia by one eighth of an inch.

Let's go. Love that. How tall is he?

He's 5'9, seven eighths.

Hell, yeah.

He was listed as 6 feet on the Vanderbilt Media Guide.

He was, yeah.

I should do that for the combine official height listings. People would...

I like that idea.

It was some people would be very upset.

Very upset.

What do you mean official height? Oh, for the Barcaw combine? Yeah. Listen, I'd like to get ahead of the story. I'm also 5'9 like Diego Pavia.

And seven eighths? How many eighths?

I have not measured my 8.

You got to I thought you were perfectly average height.

Yeah, that is average globally.

I thought 5'10 was average.

No, globally, 5'9. It might even be 5'8. That's the average height-What if you take out Asia? Worldwide. You never take out Asia.

What if you take out the NFC West? Yeah, right.

We're doing the Hank. Yeah, we never do that. We take all the shortest countries out.

When we say globally, we mean globally, right? So 5'9, yeah. A lot of great people in history have been 5'9. A lot of bad people, too. A lot are actually- More bad. The worst people ever, I have been 5'9.

Diego Fávia. Yeah, but Hitler was 6 feet in his media guide.

Media guide, yeah. That's what Goebbels put out. Propaganda.

Max just googled Hitler height, 5'9.

Yeah. Look up... What was Mussolini? Mussolini's height. Yeah. 5'9. What was Mussolini's height? What was he? Wait, he was a thick boy. Yeah, he was. Bad BMI for Mussolini. Mussolini, only 5'7. Stalin.

Stalin was 5'5.

Even shorter. Short boy. What about Genghis Khan?

Genghis Khan.

Shockingly, there's no definitive historical record.

Really?

Oh, okay.

Most estimates are between 5'6 and 5'8.

Haas, though. Absolute Haas.

Big time Haas.

He was a Haas.

Okay. What about Kevin Petulo?

Kevin Patulo. What's your hot seat, PFT?

Oh, he's a big boy. 6'2. My hot seat is our good friend Sam Schwartzstein. Yeah. He's back on the hot seat. It feels like every six months there's a personal attack made against Sam Schwartzstein by the President of the United States, and he had the most personal one against Sam yesterday. He posted on Truth Social, I can't watch the new NFL kickoff. Like many others, I just turned my head. Who has the right to make such a change? Directly aimed at Sam Schwartzstein. So disparaging to the game. The original was big time. Big time. Strong, glamorous, and exciting. He's right. Donald Trump is right. The former kickoff was big time. It was a big time play.

I liked the new kickoff, but yes, it was a big time.

It was a big time play. I started to think about other things that are big time in sports. Slam dunks. Slam dunks are big time. Big time. Heavyweight bouts are big time. Big time. Penalty shots in any sport, that's big time. Big time. The final round of the US Open, that's big time. That's very big time. Any other big times, Hank?

Master Sunday, big Big time.

Yeah.

Or his moving day, big time.

I'd say bombing one down the fairway is big time. Like the first T. It's a big time. The first tee at the Masters is big time. Big time.

Pro Bowl?

Big time. Big time. Big time. It used to be big time. That's so big time. Who has the right to change the Pro Bowl? Yeah.

Brian Dable hired his offensive coordinator for the Titans. So there we go. Okay. The dominoes are falling.

They are.

I guess he's opened up. The contingency of not getting the Raiders.

What is this new thing guys are doing? They keep doing this.

Yeah.

I think Clint Kubiak is going to be the Raiders coach, right?

After the Super Bowl?

Could be. It seems like that's probably what they're waiting for.

Have the Cardinals interviewed anyone? I feel like that's one I haven't heard. Yeah, I don't know.

To be honest, I forgot about the Cardinals. Yeah.

Michael floor interviewed. Okay. So they've I interviewed someone. Michael Lafleur. Okay. There has been an interview. Good for the Cardinal. All right.

Max, you interviewed Brian Dable, right?

Sure did. Didn't want to come.

Why not?

I'm not in the room.

My cool thrown was going to be Diego Pavia. I guess my other cool thrown was 80 for braided because they're going to have to make another Edy for Drake. Are we going to get another movie, Hank?

I don't know. They should.

It depends on if four women make that track. Yeah, they should. But yeah, Diego Pavia was my cool thrown. It's a big difference between being 5'9 and being 6'0. Trust me, it's a massive difference. Massive.

What about 5'9 to 5'10?

Not that big of a difference. Even I'd say 5'8 and 5'10, pretty much the same height. Yeah.

Okay, my hot seat is I don't even... Victoria's Secret. I don't know who sells lingerie because Sydney Sweeney is getting into the bra game and it's over. It's a wrap. Probably the most no doubt, it's similar to when we started selling cheesecakes. Like, Duh, why wouldn't you do that? Sydney Sweeney selling bras in. For all sizes? All sizes.

Love that. Love that very much for it.

I might buy one.

Is that creepy? This is an amazing advertisement.

I might buy one for myself.

Can we show more of these?

The Sydney Sweeney bra is going to crush.

Guarante. I think she's going to tap into... Dudes are going to buy these bras just because-I just said I'm buying one for myself. Because Sydney Sweeney. Yeah.

No, I want to buy one. I want to look at it. I know that's fucked up and perverted, but I don't care. Call me a fucked up pervert. Damn.

Nipples. If she personally tried on every bra.

Jim Schwartz would get one.

How much would they go for?

I don't know. I don't want to answer that one.

I I do not want to answer. Was that a bonk? Yeah.

It's a fact. Yeah. Okay, so Sydney Sweeney bras. She's going to do well. Congrats to Sydney Sweeney becoming a billionaire. Yeah. My cool drone is Betty the Bull, all A big time respect move. Benny the Bull has announced he's going to retire his number, number one, now that Derrick Rose's number one has been retired in the rafters. That's class. That's so class.

That's big time.

That's a big time move. Yeah.

Credit to Benny the Bull. Did Derrick Rose have to negotiate to get number one from Benny the Bull when he became a Chicago Bull?

I get more of it at the same time, but he's saying, Hey, you know what?

My time has passed. Because that is a all-class move for Benny the Bull. If Derrick Rose came in, took his number, then retired, and then Benny says, You know what? You earned it. You get to keep it for forever. So what's Benny going to wear?

I don't know. Mikey Betts are- 23? He said, 99, 77 or 42 would look great. 42 is so far, though. Got to keep it open for a future superstar in 2046.

Okay.

The Ryan's door is definitely going to do a Benny the Bull retirement night.

I think 50 would be good on a bull, right?

Fifty would be good.

Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. Zack, your hot seat, cool thrown. Up my hot seat. Max is just looking at Sydney Sweeni pictures now, and it's just like, Dude, stop. It's hard to podcast.

Whoever brought this up.

I did, but that's because it's in the news.

Yeah, now my job is to bring the news to you You guys.

Zack, do you remember my hypothetical I threw out to you last week? What was the hypothetical? About if Sydney Sweeney ever came in the office to do an interview on PMT?

Oh, yeah. Trying to help support.

If Sydney Sweeney came into this office and did PMT and she was like, Hey, I forgot to wear a bra today. Do you guys have a pair of hands that could just support me during this interview? And Zack had to do that. Would he do it? And he got very uncomfortable.

It'd be a gentleman. Anything It's not for the team. He would do it. Maxine, you go back to the dress that she wore? Ironically, maybe the most iconic picture of Cindy Sweeney is not involving a bra whatsoever. No, the other dress. The dress from, yeah. You know the dress? The best dress ever worn by anybody.

The best dress. Of all time.

Yeah, let's see.

That dress I don't think has bras. I'm going to say- Although I don't understand. Sometimes women wear bras and you're like, I'm not wearing a bra, but I am wearing a bra. I don't get it. I don't get any of this shit.

I'm going to say it. I don't think she should get into the bra business.

No, because when you put on the bras- The bra's for thee, but not for me. No, it was just one dress.

She wears bras. But I don't think that we should encourage. Just go back to the dress again.

We don't eat a cheesecake every meal.

That is true. Yeah. It's a good dress.

It's a good dress. All right, Zack, go ahead.

My Hot Seat is where he's going to be a former Olympic snowboarder, Ryan Wedding.

Love this story.

Yeah, see what's going on there.

I love this story. I love this guy.

Yeah, he's a Nazi. He's the new El Chapo.

Yeah, at the end, modern day El Chapo, yeah. They're saying roughly estimated 60 tons of cocaine trafficked a year.

For a Olympic ski boarder?

A Canadian former Olympic snowboarder.

In the early 2000s. That's awesome. Switch to trafficking drugs for the cartel. Pablo S.

That's awesome. Pablo S. Snowbar.

There's conflicting reports that he turned himself in at the Mexican Embassy.

He did turn himself in.

Then I saw a statement where the lawyer is saying that he didn't surrender and that he was apprehended. I'm not sure which one it is. There's people going back and forth on that.

I'm on his side.

Well, he was a badass snowboarder. Then he's like, You know what? More badass. I'll be a drug runner.

He also, yeah, murdered a bunch of people.

Oh, not cool. That's totally not-Cartel, dude. That's actually not chill for a snowboarder. That's just a cartel.

No, he needs to chill out a little bit.

Snowboarders shouldn't be doing that. That's not chill.

Disavow murder. If you're in the cartel, that's just the cost of doing business. That is true. It is the cost of doing business.

Okay.

Then my cool seat this week was going to be-Get Sydney Sweeney off the screen.

It's distracting.

You brought it up.

But you kept it. Thank you.

We also brought a Totally. You haven't shown that video on repeat over and over.

Yeah. Okay, go ahead.

My cool through this week was going to be ice cream enjoyers. I don't know if you guys have seen. Yes. Ice Creams might save the planet. Yes. The healthy fats in ice cream can protect you against so many things. .

Ice cream is actually the healthiest thing you can eat. That's what they said.

Lipid lowering, fat burning, cancer reducing. What are our thoughts on those things? Love it.

With ice cream.

I hate lipids.

I fucking hate lipids.

Get them gone.

I'm going to eat some ice cream.

Does it matter what ice cream? Soft serve, traditional?

As long as you got those healthy fats in their PFT. Your method of consumption, man, you got to get those healthy fats.

Where are we seeing this?

Some report.

I was seeing it on the Everything app, but it also has... There's some journals. If you check out the thread intensively, there's accredited colleges being like, Hey, look at this study. This study goes crazy. We're talking about colleges that aren't easy to get into. Yeah. Maybe some Ivy Leagues talking cream.

Shout out Dalton. This guy's name.

50% reduction in diabetes. I believe it.

One serving a day. I believe it.

Okay, good job, Zack. Let's get to our interview with Andre Hopkins.

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Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest. It is DeAndre DeAndre Hopkins from the NFL. Five-time Pro Bowler, three-time First Team All-Pro, two-time Second Team All-Pro, one of the best receivers in the last decade in the NFL. Deandre, thank you for joining us. Let's start with an easy question first. Are you retired yet?

I am not retiring.

I love that.

I average 15 yards of catch last year, man. You are retired off that shit.

I agree. Do we know where you're Are you going to go back to Baltimore? I know, obviously, free agencies is still a couple of months away, but have you had any thoughts?

I've had some thoughts, of course. A lot of thoughts. A lot of thoughts. But I love Lamar. I love Derrick. Loves Zee flowers. So who knows, man? But they have a new head coach, which will bring on a new offense coordinator. And let's see.

Yeah. I mean, the hands are still there. I don't think those are ever going to go away. Do the hands feel as good as they've ever been?

Oh, man, I think even better, man.

Oh, even better?

Get better with age?

Yeah.

It depends, man. I learned a couple of little tricks to the trade as I got older, man, how to keep these things up to par.

Yeah, you're a lot of fun to watch. I always root for you when you're playing because you do still have that ability where you can catch anything that's nearby, which it's great to see. I'm always curious to know, you're in this past season. What's Lamar like as a person? Is he a main reason that attracted you to Baltimore? And if so, what's that relationship been like as it's grown?

Oh, yeah. Lamar, I think, is the sole reason I went to Baltimore. I don't think I could have, after playing with Pat, went many places. I think that was the first option. Lamar is dope, man. Lamar is cool. He's the player in the locker room that talks to everyone. He's the quarterback that goes around talks to the rookies, talks to the equipment staff, talks to everyone in the building Lamar talks to and loves them, and he loves them. Lamar, man, he's a guy that if you know him, you know he loves to talk and he loves a joke. He's just like a down-the-earth cool dude about his religion, about football. That's it.

Yeah. Obviously, the ending of the season wasn't great with the Week 18 game. Curious, how long does it take to mentally flush that out, or is it still fresh in your head?

Honestly, man, that shit is still fresh in my head. It really is. Just to know that we could have been in the playoffs and the team that we had. I feel like everyone knew that if we got in the playoffs, then this is a team to watch out for. And we felt that as well, how we started off and how we ramped up towards the end of the year. So it still sucks just knowing that we built that momentum starting off one and five to to be in the playoffs and be that close. So, yeah, man, it's tough. Yeah.

Speaking of the playoffs, too, your former coach, Mike Vrabel, I know you're only there for a year with him, but he's in the Super Bowl. What is it about Coach Rable? Because the turnaround is insane. They lost so many games last year. Now they're in the Super Bowl. What does he do that's different than other coaches that has the Patriots back in the Super Bowl?

Right. I mean, I would say what he does different than other coaches is he's... I mean, some coaches, I'm not going to say he's different than every other coach, but what separates him is just how relatable he is to players. He played ball, and not a lot of coaches I can say we're actually out there in the field playing ball, but Brable knows football. He'll get down in the dirt with you. He'll block you. He'll try to run around on you at practice. He'll put his hands on you. And so So you know I run a lot of coaches that will actually get down in the dirt and put on the paths and meet you right there on the field. But I was in Houston with Brable also. That's right. Brable was in Houston, and then later, my head coach. So Brable and I have a long history and a long relationship. He's like a father figure to me off the field, man. Yeah.

Did you notice at all that his strength is... Is his strength still the same from when you were in Houston with him to Tennessee? Because we know him fairly well, and every time we see him, he'll give you a slap on the back or a chic, and just break your hand. You're like, Dude, just chill out a little bit.

Yeah, no. I think Brable's strength is still there. He works out all the time, man. He thinks he's a player a little bit. If you ask him, he probably think he can go out there and still catch a shutdown. But no, man, Brable works out still. That's my guy.

Are you saying Andy Reid never did that? He never tried to light you up in practice?

I mean, with With his eyes. Just piercing through you when you don't do something right.

I got a question about the Ravens. You signed with the Ravens March 13th, 2025, and you You have to learn about the rivalry with Pittsburgh. You have to become a part of that lure, part of that history. How long did it take you to actually hate the Pittsburgh Stealers?

It didn't take me long, especially once we started off one and five. I was like, I hope Pittsburgh loses every game.

Yeah, that makes sense.

No, but especially towards the end of the year, where we needed Pittsburgh to lose a couple of games for us to have that advantage and win a division. But obviously, that wasn't the case. I would say I've always been a fan of Mike and A-Rod. So for me, it was hard for me to be like, Man, just fuck Pittsburgh because I love the players and some of the coaches over there. But towards the end of the year, when we needed Pittsburgh to lose some games, I was definitely like, Man, let's go Dolphins. Come on.

It's bullshit that they brought the priest out to bless that side of the end zone where you guys ended up missing the kick, isn't it? That's not fair.

Oh, man. I hope that get investigated. That guy never needs to come to a Pittsburgh game again, man. I don't understand that. But Lupa obviously missed the kick, man. But there were a lot of things that went into that, man. He's a rookie, man. You got to take it easy on the guy.

Yeah, he'll be okay. Speaking of coaches, your coach in college, Dabo Sweeni. Now, you helped build Clemson because obviously, they go on to win national championships. It's now... Actually, let's start here. How are you feeling about Clemson watching that offense the last couple of years? Because I feel like it's not been great.

Man, I'll be honest. I grew up in Clemson, so I can say this, but it's been horrible. It's been terrible. I'm happy that they got back to the basics, bringing Chad Morris back in, the guy who evolved Clemson offense to where we were averaging 30, 35 points. They brought Chad Morris back this year, if you guys didn't know that. I'm happy that we got back to the basics and that offense, but it's been terrible, man. It's horrible.

Yeah. What about... So Dabo, when he's recruiting you and he's bringing you on and you're three years with him, what is he different as a coach? Because we all see the outside, and Dabo, he can be a little corny, but he obviously gets guys to play hard for him. So what was that whole process like with him?

Dabo demands the best out of you. Obviously, as you see, the corny jokes, as some of you all say, the funny country stuff that Dabo says and does. But Dabo legit pushes everyone to be the best. And he's a coach that will... He's a religious man, But on Saturdays, all that goes out the window. Dabo will curse you out like the old Alabama football coaches, and you know that this is who he is. He's that guy. He will hit you with every curse word he can, but he loves you.

Do you think it's a little weird that he runs down the hill first before the team?

I like that. I think he does that to make sure he still has it.

Okay. Because Because every now and then we're like, Hey, dude, just wait for the team. When you were on the team, did anyone ever fall down the hill?

Oh, man, a guy actually broke his leg. I think after I left there, someone else did something also. But yeah, a guy basically just fucked up his whole knee, man. Messed up his whole knee, man.

Did he have to get carded off the hill? What happened?

I think they... Yeah, he definitely got carded off the hill. They They carried him off the hill. But yeah, he was in bad shape. I think he was a walk-on, man. That's brutal. Yeah. I mean, if it feels like in the NFL, he might would have got a settlement.

You can't be getting carded off the field as a walk-on, though. You got to find a way to just get off the field.

Yeah, it was bad. I'm pretty sure his girl was probably over there like, damn.

That's stuff. You almost have to take reps of that in practice before you do it live.

That's basically, if he's not playing, going down the hill is everything. That's your whole Saturday. You just got to get down the hill without blowing out your knee.

Come on, man. That's the reason he came to Clemson, man. Unfortunately, it got cut short.

I got a couple of questions about your career and time spent with the Houston Texans. First of all, I do a podcast with Aaron Foster, and whenever I ask him who the best player that he's ever played with was, he always says it was Andre Johnson, that he's the best that he's ever seen do it. So you come to the league and Andre is right there on the team. What was that like getting to play with him and watching him work close up?

Oh, man, shit was crazy. Seeing Andre as big as he was, I was like, damn, how's somebody this big, this fast? That was my first take. I come from college where everybody's, we're in the 200, we're trying to hit 200 pounds. But then I get to the NFL and I see a 220 pound receiver running a 4'5, 4'4 at that age. I'm like, damn, am I meant for this? Just because physically, Andre is a specimen. But seeing him work, the dude never took off practice. He never missed reps unless he was actually hurt. He was competitive. So it was dope. But Andre was my biggest critic. I would go out there and have a catch on the sideline. I would have one foot in, one foot out. And obviously that's not good. Coming from college as a rookie, I'm like, Shit, I'm thinking I'm doing something. Andre's like, Man, what the fuck are you doing, man? That's not good enough. You got to have two feet in. He was like, If you want to play in this league, you got to learn And he would make me breath that after practice. He would make me go out and do stuff.

And I'm like, damn, like shit, man. I thought I had a receiver coach. I'm like, damn, I got two. But it was dope, man. It was funny. He made me a better player.

Yeah. And then second question about time with the Texans. You had a lot of great highlights there. Just a walking highlight reel. Maybe your best catch that you ever made ended up not counting. We always talk about the greatest plays that you forget because they didn't count. I think it might be you. I think you might have the best catch in NFL history that did not count. It was against the Dolphins. Can you walk us through that play? Because I love going back and watching it. Yeah, man.

I would walk you through that play, and I would tell you later that that Ralph, I apologize because he knew that wasn't a pass interference.

Good. Nice.

Which is messed up because that was a crazy catch. And from that angle, I could see how he thought. But when you do things sometimes so spectacular on the field, the ref just really doesn't comprehend it. Like, this is a spectacular catch. This person didn't do anything to alter the other person. And it was one of those where Deshawn and I knew that he was coming to me. It was no matter what, I was like, Deshawn, throw this ball however, and he threw it and gave me a chance. So I knew it was going to be in a certain position. And the defender was... He beat me towards the route, and I knew it was a back shoulder. So I caught it with my left. And as I was falling, brung it through my legs. Yeah. And somehow I got called for a pass interference.

Yeah. I'm watching it right now. It's bullshit. That wasn't pass interference.

Did you have a moment where you thought... Before you saw the flag, you're like, Yeah, I just did That shit. That's the best catch that's ever happened.

Yeah, I did. I did. Obviously, I was like, What? I'm like, Man, this is shit. To myself, I was like, How the fuck did I catch it? But when you're in that moment and you're playing, you're just take taking it in. But once I saw the flag, I definitely almost wanted to pick that flag up and throw it back at the ref.

It sounds like the ref basically saying, You're too good for me to be able to officiate this properly. That's really what it sounds like. You made such an incredible play. The ref was like, There's no way this can't be a penalty. I have to throw something.

Yeah, basically. I think as the game evolved, maybe they'll start challenging referee Who knows?

Yeah. I mean, on one hand, it's good that he apologized that he said, Hey, I'm sorry, I blew that call. On the second, that almost makes it worse where it's like, Okay, yeah, I already know you screwed up.

Yeah, I knew it. I think their sideline knew it, too, because their whole sideline was like, Oh, shit. Usually, the sideline, if they think it's a P-I, they're like, Push off, push off. But they were just like, damn.

Yeah. But now it lives forever being the best catch that never counted. It never counted. I think it should be. That's even better, almost, in a weird way, now that we're removed from it, we're like, Hey, that's the number one catch that never counted. So playing in the Texans, Cardinals, Titans, Chiefs, Ravens. Can you name all the quarterbacks that threw you a countdown? I think there's 15. A lot of Texans.

All right. Is that like, top for the most? I'm not sure.

I don't know if it's tied for the most, but it's a lot. I was looking at the list, it's a lot. It's also some very funny names.

Matt Shobb, Case Kenan, Deshaun Watson, Kyla Murray, Lamar Jackson, Pat, Brock Osweiler.

Five.

Matt Shobb. Did I say Matt?

Yeah, you said Matt Shob.

Okay. Did I say Case Kingdom? Did you put Case on the order?

I think you said Case. You're going to struggle with some of these.

Will Levis.

Yeah. I don't know if you said Deshawn Watson, so that's your number one. Okay, Deshawn.

Will Levis, Deshawn Watson.

You're missing some legends.

Brian Hoyer. Yeah.

In our eyes, legends. I should clarify.

All right. Man, my guy from Pittsburgh, freak. Come on, I'm blanking.

You got this.

Where are we? Are we seven?

We're at nine-ish. I know the names that you're missing. It's all Texans right now. Actually, one Titan you're missing, but the rest are Texans.

Ryan, obviously.

Yeah, Ryan Taniel. This is my favorite list of just guys that... It's basically the ultimate remembering dudes. I'll give you a couple. Ready? You forgot T. J. Yates? Yates of Hell? T. J. Yates of Hell.

Oh, man, come on.

You caught seven from him. Ryan Mallet, RIP. Tom Savage is who I think you were looking for. Tom.

Tom.

Tom Savage. And then the last one is, you caught a touch down pass from Brandon Whedon.

Seriously?

Yeah.

Wow.

You know what? I think the Brandon Whedon story, if I'm not mistaken, it might have been against the Titans. But I think Brandon Whedon threw me the ball back to back. If I'm not mistaken, it was against the Titans, and it was a goal ball in the red zone. I caught the first, and then the ref called a penalty. Brandon goes, I'm throwing it to you again. Just don't push off. And it's a touch out. When you got backup quarterbacks, sometimes it's the best because they're just like, Look, fuck the play. Just get open. I'm going to lead them.

You were probably a backup cornerback's best friend for that reason. Yeah, He's going to watch right now. You're exactly right. It was against the Titans. He threw you a 60-yard goal ball to get down to the 15-yard line. And then he's just like, I'm spamming it. I'm throwing it again. Be ready.

Just back to back in. And the offensive The offensive coordinator at the time was George Gotsy, who just went to Georgia Tech as the offensive coordinator. I was with him in Baltimore. George Gotsy would tell the quarterbacks, If Hop is one-on-one or if there's two people on them, throw him the ball.

I feel like they probably were like, Also, if there's three people, maybe throw him the ball as well.

Yeah, exactly.

You had a couple. I think there was one in Arizona where it was three on one, and you just jumped up in the air and grabbed and just looked at all three of them. You were like, Why are you guys even trying?

Yeah, it was against the Bills. I've had some great catches against the Bills last year. My first touch down catch last year was against it. My first catch was against the Bills last year.

That's got to be a good feeling Speaking of the Super Bowl, obviously, didn't go your way last year, but what was it in Super Bowl week? Did it feel very different? Starting the game, being in that moment, how could you describe it versus just a week 15 game?

Yeah, it's a big difference. Obviously, you go outside and you see the whole street is paraded with all NFL stuff. But I would say those guys been there before two years, let's shoot, or two years back to back, they won. So I would say the whole staff, the whole organization knew what to do. Obviously, there's a couple of guys on the team who were new to it first time, like myself. But I would say it felt like a regular week just the streets, just going outside. Everything is Super Bowl, this Super Bowl, that. I thought it was interesting how half the hotel is fans and half the hotel is us. So I'm thinking, All right, we're going to go somewhere separate, be far out, then come in. But we were right in the middle of it in New Orleans, which I thought was cool, too, because the fans could see us walking throughout the hotel and places like that. But, yeah, man, it was cool. You got Pat Mahomes, obviously, who is the leader of the team and made sure everybody was ready to go. But we faced a feely team who was hungry, man, and you saw the results.

Yeah. And I love the story about wearing the coat for your dad. Can you tell that for the Super Bowl you're wearing? Was it a mink coat?

Yeah, it was a mink coat that my dad had in the '90s. He passed away in 1992, so it was 1993. But it was just a jacket that was passed down from him to me. I was like, Man, if I ever get a chance to play a Super Bowl or a special moment, I want to wear this jacket just to give honor to my dad. But Yeah, even though we lost, I still think it was cool that I got a chance to play in the Super Bowl.

Yeah, that and giving every countdown ball to your mom, it's really cool. I hope that she has the Brandon Whedon one in a special place.

Man, she might. I don't know if she has it out. It might be in storage somewhere, but she has it.

We got to get the Brandon Whedon ball in a real nice spot.

Yeah, seriously, man. Seriously. Someone has that ball shit.

When you were playing for the Texas, you guys were a good team, and the playoffs come around every year. Did you even check the schedule? Or you're like, We know we're playing Saturday afternoon?

Yeah, I never checked the schedule. I knew we was playing Saturday. It was definitely one of those where it was tough, man, for us to get that first round by. You got to think. Back then, it was the Patriots, man. You're not getting that number one seed, man, unless you're going through the Patriots back then. Alex was putting us out the playoffs, too.

Yeah, good run. It would have been nice to get Saturday night or Sunday at some point on Sunday, but instead, it was always like, Yeah, the Texans or the bangles. Those two teams are always going to be playing Saturday afternoon soon?

Or the Colts. Or the Colts. Yeah, or the Colts. You're right. The Chargers was almost there sometime. They might get in once every couple of years as well.

Yeah.

This might be a dumb question, but you've played in a lot of different NFL stadiums. From a receiver standpoint, are there some stadiums where it's harder to track the ball?

For sure. Especially the new stadiums where they think that the concert lights are the best. Man, it's actually a disadvantage. More so the newer stadiums where they come in and they want to add the lights for the prom games and the concerts and all stuff.

I know this is a little weird question because you're still playing, but is there a receiver that you watch right now and you're like, Man, that guy is just different and people don't give him enough respect?

Oh, yeah. I would definitely say, man, there are a couple, but one of my favorites that I love watching who doesn't get credit, I would say Scary Terry.

Yeah.

Oh, okay. Yeah, he's awesome. Yeah. He's awesome. He's just a contest and catch machine.

Yeah, Scary Terry, man. Scary Terry, ever get on the team? Obviously, what the Redskins did a couple of years ago was amazing. But Scary Terry is going to be a good one.

Would you like to play with him at some point in your career?

I like Washington, but I like Washington as a city. Good food, good restaurants. Yeah. But I I'm not sure about... I grew up a Redskins fan, so I think that might be enough for me.

So that's a maybe? I'm hearing a maybe from you? No, I think. Is that a maybe? What if I said, please? What if I said, please, we would love to have you in DC?

Oh, man, you guys got enough for Sears. You got Debo, you got Scary Terry. You all good, man. You all don't need this old guy over there.

Debo might not be back next year. I think he's a free agent. Does that I feel like I'm begging you right now. This is sad. Don't make them bad. This is sad. Don't make them bad. We don't want you. We don't want you. Good luck.

Listen, I think I'm below on the free agent priority list. I think, what about Isaiah Likely over there or a top free agent signing?

I like how you don't want to go to DC so much. You're trying to give other guys to me. You don't want a guy like me, a future Hall of Famer. Can I interest you in an Isaiah Likely instead?

Yeah, man. Come on, man. I'm just saying, man.

Hey, I got a non-football question. What happens at the Met Gala? You've been there, you've attended. What the hell happens? You guys just go and do nothing inside?

Yeah, man. We go in there, we sacrifice the goat.

No, I'm just kidding.

No, honestly, it's just people hanging out, eating food, and then there's a concert. I mean, it's simple as that. You have the hang out where people can There's the food. You got the hors d'œuvres, you got the caviar, all the fancy stuff. And then there's a concert. Basically, that's the Met Gala, man. There's nothing too crazy to it.

It's a lot of pressure, though, trying to figure out what you're going to wear to that, right?

Yeah, I know, man. I think it's more pressure just trying to eat the caviar. It was cool, though, man. But it was fun. A lot of pressure. I I would say more so on the designers because that walk up to Intuit, that's basically the Met Gala. Yeah, it's not inside.

It's a good point, though. Once you get in there, everyone's wearing the most fancy clothes. They have to design that food to make it hard to spill.

Right. That's what I'm saying, man. You're like, I can't mess this suit up, man. I messed these clothes up, so let me stay away. But no, it was cool, man. Cool experience. Jerry Lorenzo is one of my friends. He's the designer who I went with, and he chose me to go, which I thought was cool. But fear of God, essentials is his clothing line.

Yeah. Can we talk a little bit about the Super Bowl and how you see this matchup playing out? Because I feel like most people are looking at it and saying, Seahawks have been maybe the best team in the NFL all year if you look at a big picture. The Patriots, Mike Vrabel, really well-coached team. Drake Mays had a great year. They got some good weapons at wide receiver, too. How do you see this playing out?

Man, I think it's going to be a good one. I think right now everyone has the Seahawks to win, if I'm not mistaken. But Vrabel is one of the best coaches in that situation of football. And what Drake Mays is doing right now, not turning the ball over is how you win the Super Bowl and just going out, letting your defense control the game. Right now, I think the Patriots is playing some of the best defense in football as far as the back-end, the front-line, and then you got the Seahawks who is explosive. Those guys are taking shots. They got a running back. They have a couple of receivers. But for me, I think the key moments who win the Super Bowl is it's going to be the guys that you don't talk about, that you don't think about, the Cooper Cups, the McHollins. I think those guys right there can really determine this game because, of course, you got your J-Xes, and you got Stefan, who all lives are going to be on But you've seen this past game, the trick play to Mc. Stuff like that, I think, is going to be those plays that separate who win because both are well-coached teams.

I don't see it just being a blow away game, but who knows? But Vrabel, I think, is one of the, if not the best situational coaches in football. The Seahawks, obviously, is a great offense and a great defense, so it's going to be a good one.

What When you guys played the Patriots this year, did you match up at all against Christian Gonzales? Because he feels like that defense for the Patriots, a lot of it goes because of how good he is and how he can take away a team's top weapon.

Yeah. No, Christian is good. I went against him a couple of times, but it was more so towards the end of a half. So he really wasn't playing, pressed up. I think it was an out route. But I would definitely say watching film on him from this past year, Christian definitely does a good job of taking away key guys, but he does it in a way that he doesn't get a lot of holding calls. He doesn't get a lot of penalties. I think that's what really separates him from a lot of defenders. He doesn't panic when the ball is in the air. You see a lot of other guys who can make the play on the ball, but they're still turned around. They'll just panic a little bit. But Chris does a good job of being composed.

Who's the one cornerback that always gave you the hardest time? Where you obviously have had an incredible, incredible career, one of the top wide receivers, like I said at the top. But is there one guy that was like, Man, something about him, he was always a matchup issue for me?

Oh, yeah. Jalen Ramsey. Jalen Ramsey and myself, I would say we've had some of the best battles I've had. He went to Jacksonville when he got drafted, so played him twice a year for a couple of years. Man, I think it was the first his rookie year, it was a slant to win a game at Jacksonville, Jalen's rookie year. And after that game, I remember his offseason, him talking about it somewhere in the interview, that that play right there basically changed his game and made him realize that in order for him to be one of the best defenders, that he has to stop me, who was the reason that Jacksonville brought in a DB because Houston at the time was one division and was one of the best receivers. His technique and everything, I would say, changed after that one play. I would say we made each other better because after that, I saw his game change and it made me step my game up and do things different also because I knew that Jalen was the guy that I needed to win against or beat to continue to, I would say, stay at the top of the division and be one of the best receivers in the game at the So Jalen and I, definitely, we groomed and I would say changed each other's game.

But he was one of the first defenders that could go out there and run with you and jump with you, tackle you. He's 6'2, The guy basically could be a receiver if he wanted to. But that game at Jacksonville, his rookie year, it was a slant that I won. It was big third down to win the game. And he knew the ball was coming to me. And he talked about that in an interview somewhere. I'm not sure which quarterback I had at the time, but that game right there, I would say, changed the way that Jalen went about guarding all the receivers. One of them. Yeah.

You played basketball in college, right?

I did. I played all of two seconds, but I played basketball.

Yeah. Ten minutes in seven games, never got a point. But you've got some teammates that said that you could have been a starter on that team if basketball was your primary focus?

Well, to my credit, I would say we had a senior point guard, and I knew I wasn't going to play. I knew I was coming in to learn the offense. I didn't have an offseason with the basketball team. I went straight from football to basketball. So it took me half the season to learn the offense, to learn everything. And so, yeah, the next year, I was going to be the starting point guard, to my credit. But yeah, Dabo was like, No, man, this isn't it. This isn't for you to come on over here. And I had the realization that there's not many 6-2 point guards in the NBA. There's more 6'2 wide receiver. So I just had a realization that, yeah.

How awesome was it in high school, just dominating everyone and everything?

Well, I wanted to play soccer, so I would say I was a little disunized. No, basketball and football, it was cool, man. I didn't win a state championship in football. I won one in basketball, though, which is a bittersweet thing because I love football. But I did want to play soccer, and I wanted to play goalie, and the high school coach told me not to come out because they had a goalie who's been there three years. So I was trying to go for the trifecta, man.

I feel like you would have been a really good goalie. Yeah.

Yeah, me too, man. I was like, Come on. How hard can it be? Even though I can't say I was the best at juggling a soccer ball.

That's fine. Yeah, you're too much of that goal, and you don't even have to catch the goal. You just have to deflect it if you're going to go. Yeah, right.

I could have rolled it every time. I didn't have to kick it. Just, Hey, just come over here.

Come here, this boy. Would you say that you played basketball like a football player or that you played football like a basketball player?

I played football like a basketball player, I would say.

Okay.

I had more. I had finesse. I was a point guard. Even though, I would say, my highlight of my college 10-minute career was being a sixth man off the bench to guard Ian Shumper at Georgia Tech. I shut them down because they wanted me to play basketball like a football player and go in there and basically foul them and give them a little elbow here and there. I did my job. We won the game. Locked them up.

Hey, do you know what a catch is?

So Sometimes. Sometimes I don't. Yeah.

We've had it. We had the Cooper Cup yesterday. We had obviously the Khalil Shaq here in the Bills Broncos game. When you're watching this game, can you tell, Oh, that's a catch. That's not a catch, because it feels like no one really knows, play to play, what actually a catch is.

Yeah, I think the one that should really be reviewed and the NFL should look at is the Isaiah likely situation. Yeah. And the reason I say that is because those guys got a hard job out there in New York, obviously. Us as a player and watching the game, we can say, Oh, this is a catch, and it isn't. But I think certain ones, there should be It should be solid, more solid than it is. I say, Isiah likely catch. Well, the one that wasn't a catch, they said, because he was in the end zone. He had possession beyond the point of the end zone, and he got one, two feet But they said he needed a third step. So the reason I say that is if a guy crosses the end zone with the ball, that's a shutdown. So why not having possession of one, two in the end zone being a countdown? So I think that one right there is one that New York should really think about the end zone, not the end zone, and really making it simple. But I think this year, really, it woke up the rule changes and the people that go about all that stuff of what is a catch and what isn't a catch, because some people's jobs are on the line, and some teams' playoff hopes are on the line with these catches and not catches.

And I thought that it was corrected back when Dez Bryant caught the ball and also Calvin Johnson. So it's been going on for years. Obviously, you got the Internet now, you got TikTok, you got Twitter, where it's easier for people to see than back then when Calvin Johnson and Dez Bryant, we just talked about it or we had to find it ourselves. But now it's in your face. And so I think the NFL should change it for sure to whatever they change it to, just let it be that, where it's not black and white.

When they make a rule change like that, do you sit down? Do you open up the rule book and you're like, Okay, so here's what I need to do to make a catch?

No. You talk about it going into the season. We have meetings every season about the new rules. Every team has to do it. This is This is the new rule. This is that. They changed this. And so they'll give us a little seminar just to make you think about it. But you don't go into the game or practice like, All right, this is this new rule. Unless it's a special teams rule. I think special teams guys and coaches have to go over that more often than a receiver practicing certain things.

Yeah.

Deandre, this has been awesome, man. We really appreciate you coming on. I'm going to ask you one last question. Roback question, robackquestion, rhoback. Com, promo code take, 20% off your first purchase. Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, roback. Com, promo code take. I don't think you get enough credit for having one of the coolest nicknames as well, Nuke. You got it as a baby? That is a very cool nickname.

Oh, man. Come on.

It is. Was that something when you were growing up that you were not ashamed of or like, Hey, that's not my name? Because I do think it's one of the coolest nicknames you could have.

Yeah, man. I used to tell everyone, They call me Nuke because I'm the bomb. I'm the shit. No, but for a while, Well, shit, I didn't know my name was DeAndre because everyone would call me Nuke where I'm from. So some people where I'm from doesn't know my real name is DeAndre. Some people just know me as Nuke. So obviously, my mom said that I had a little problem as an infant. I wouldn't suck the Pacifier. I would chew it up with my gums and my two teeth that I had. And she said it became a problem to where it was the only brand Pacifier that I would use. But Well, unlike my other sibling, she said I would just chew it up. And she knew then that I was meant to take football hits.

Yeah.

That's lost.

Going through mouthpieces.

Nuke is a great nickname. That's a fucking cool ass nickname.

Hey, man, it's not bad. We're just going to stick with somebody and ask, I got it because I'm the bomb. Yeah, I like that.

You're going to go nuclear on people.

Yeah. Yeah, come on. Yeah, basically.

Yeah. All right. Well, DeAndre, thanks so much, man. Really great to have you on. We'll definitely have on again because this was fun.

Yeah, man. I appreciate it. Looking forward to it, fellows. All right.

Thanks, man.

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Okay, Hank, FAQs.

Yes, FAQs. Memes sent these to me and just added in the middle finger emoji for no reason.

Okay, nice. The meme slog is going.

How big the booth?

How big the booth?

It looks like it's pretty small and cramped. That being said, how bad does it smell?

Well, Oldie is here this week.

Yeah, we got to get him on on Thursday.

Max just had a flashback to the Oldie booth.

Oh, man.

The Oldie booth was something.

How bad? Oldie is the best. I walked- What we're- Yeah, I was walking out of the office yesterday, and Oldie was talking about The strip clubs in Canada, you just suck on the jug. He was like, You just suck on the jugs forever. I was like, What?

All right, so two-part question. One, how big the booth? Question two, I know it smells crazy in there.

Booth small.

Booth small.

Right now, it doesn't smell. There are times where it does smell bad, but right now, it's not so bad. Although there's no ventilation. Yeah, we're just in it. So sometimes-What happened to the clocks?

We just stopped.

That's a good Big question.

I'm not turning 14.

Cluster, I get a full reset today.

My birthday is in three days.

Cluster in Shambles, there was a vacuum incident, but we're back today.

What was the vacuum incident?

Somebody was vacuuming and there's… Outlets got pulled, Well, he's got pulled, but we'll be back better than ever.

The Super Bowl is right. You're one for…

Jandle's birthday is in three days.

You're one for eight.

Wait, does Jandl have the same birthday as me? I don't know.

That's just what the clock says. Let's see.

Where's Jandl? No, I think his birthday is I think it's...

Jandl's birthday.

Maybe it is January. I'm seeing September ninth. Way off. Way the fuck off. That might be my birthday. It says PFT's birthday is in 224 days. His birthday is Saturday.

Your birthday was a victim in the vacuum, but you'll be back strong. Okay.

If you plug a toilet at a get-together and no plunger is available, are we using our hand to unplug or asking the host for a plunger?

Plug?

I think it depends on the size of the get-together.

I have used my hand. No, hold on. Whoa. That was judgy.

Yeah, the judgment was a I've used my hand in a trash bag.

You put your hand in a trash bag.

Okay. You go outside, find a stick.

The trash bag works. If you're in a... I mean, I guess in a home, it might be tough, but you just whatever the trash is next to... Everyone's got one, a little trash next to the sink. You just get the trash bag out of there, dump it, hand in, unplug.

You got to preflush, though.

Yeah. No, if you're on a road game, you got to be flushing constantly.

Flush halfway through.

You got to just be... I'm flushing as I'm shitting.

Yeah, you got to almost let the toilet pull some of the poop out of your butt as it's going down.

Yeah, you got to be on top of that. You get to There's a certain age where it's 100% your fault because you know the rules. The rules are flush after just flush 10 times.

Every log gets its own flush.

Hey, fellows, with the talk about Sam Darnal looking for Hank at Josh Allen's MVP party, I was curious, what are some of the best events and perks you've attended, received, thanks to success of the show? Thanks.

Well, I wouldn't say that Josh Allen's thing was necessarily a perk. It was along the lines of something else. But yeah, I mean, those parties are fun.

They're fun.

We don't really do that many of them, though. Yeah.

How can I say this without sounding… We're just getting old. I think it was more fun eight years ago, Super Bowl week was a little more fun.

Yeah.

If you're in your early 30s, that's a really fun time to go out at the Super Bowl. Hell, yeah. But it's more fun just to see people we don't see. The funnest Super events we do is going out to a dive bar with like, Rosillo and Stanford Steve and Chris Long. That's by far my favorite part of the Super Bowl. I haven't gone to one of the big parties in forever.

I would say, though, At the Vegas Super Bowl, doing a bunch of mushrooms and then going out to the wild parties with Chris Long and Steve that night. That was because just seeing Mark Davis on mushrooms was an experience that was. He wasn't. He was not. I was very much on mushrooms. He might have been. I think he was Stone Cold Silver. Shetaki from P. F. Shanks? He seemed like he was just living large and in charge. But yeah, those are fun moments, but it's usually based around who you're with. Yeah.

All right, last one. Would you rather your team not make the Super Bowl or make the Super Bowl and get absolutely embarrassed for the whole world to see?

Good question. I'd rather not make the Super Bowl.

Yeah, it depends on the embarrassment. I think that embarrassed... Some of It was the third and fourth Bills ones in the '90s when it was just a blowout, blowout.

People don't talk about how the Chiefs got embarrassed last year. That gets forgotten.

You're right. … Forgot. You're right. Yeah. You did.

Good point, Hank.

I'm thinking of the Raiders against the Bucks or the Niners and Chargers.

Yeah, that was an ugly one. That one was ugly. Steve Young pieced up the Chargers.

That line was 14. That was It was ugly, but it was supposed to be ugly.

Yeah, if you make this...

I guess at least you have-Have there been other embarrassing ones recently?

Recently, we've been on some pretty good Super Bowl in terms of... Actually, Bucks Chiefs was It's a lot of embarrassing. Chiefs didn't score a countdown.

Chiefs are a joke.

Chiefs didn't score a countdown.

Yeah, I would say you do get the two weeks where you get to enjoy your team leading up to the Super Bowl. That's a fun period of time where you're just embracing the idea that you get to go to this party, reading all the national media stories about your team.

Also, I think the embarrassment can go two ways. If you get embarrassed... I would choose not go to the Super Bowl if you get embarrassed from the jump. Like the Bronco Seahawks. That was embarrassing for the Broncos, literally from the beginning of the game. They got a safety, right? Yep. Yeah. If you get embarrassed, A, you're down 10 at halftime, and then you end up losing by like 24. I think that you can be like, Hey, we were in it for a little bit. But yeah, if you get embarrassed right from the beginning, we're going to say- Memes a thousand % put this in so that we could revisit this if the Patriots get embarrassed. What would you say, Hank?

I'd rather make the Super Bowl.

If But what about really embarrassed?

I mean, this year, it's like, Yeah, it's our first year coach for the 23-year-old quarterback. We'll be back.

I wasn't talking about you specifically. I'm just saying if you got really embarrassed.

Why would I get embarrassed if it wasn't me specifically? What?

It could be anyone. It's a hypothetical for anyone.

But you said ask me specifically. What about you, Hank?

Yeah, you're a value part of this podcast.

It's hypothetical. It's hypothetical. I'd rather make the Super Bowl.

Okay.

I mean, Dan Moreno never got back.

True. That is true. He also lost.

Yeah.

We don't want that. We want to win. Correct.

So wouldn't that be awful if you never got back and you lost?

That's part of this hypothetical. Hypothetically, yeah, that would suck.

Hypothetically. Yeah.

Okay. Good show, boys. So, Hank, you think you'll get back, and PFT, you don't think they'll get back?

What?

You should do another five-year bet. You should do another five-year bet.

I'll do another one with same mogs, yeah. Let's finish this bet. Let's finish this bet first.

Okay. Numbers.

Seven.

Fourteen. Hundred.

Sixty.

Sixty-nine.

Eight. Sixty-six. I'll go 98.

Twenty-one.

New lottery ball machine coming after Super Bowl. Very excited about that. Can't wait to break it in. Oh, wait. No, 6: 06. I thought it was 99 for our sweet pug.

Happy birthday to Michael Greer. He initially entered his name into the database as Michael Greer for today's birthday and JJ McCarthy for today's birthday. It's not JJ McCarthy, It's my birthday's birthday, but it is Michael Greer's birthday. Happy birthday. Love you guys. Happy birthday, Greer.

Happy birthday, Greer.

Good job. Wait, wait. Jack had 66.

Jack, you got it?

Why did you speak up?

Why did you say anything? I can't see.

I can't see what it is.

Jack, you've gotten it before, right? Yeah, this is my second time. Oh, okay. Nice. Good job, Jack. Thank you. Colton, have you gotten it?

How can you gotten it? How can't you see?

Kiss my ass, dude.

I like Kiss his ass. Kiss my ass, dude. Good job, Jack. Way to go. Do you need glasses?

Although-i need new contacts. You're standing up.

I'll say this. Of all the ones to get it, this might be getting it right before I don't ever get the new machine is just a waste.

I've already said that.

Yeah, this doesn't even work. Once Memes got it, it was like, time for new machine. In the cuck chair, bitch. Yeah. Actually, you lost, I think, here because I was trying not to get it. I should try that next time. Mission accomplished. Good job. Impressive. Love you guys.

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