Transcript of Ice & Fire Show + We're Baaaaaaack! - Fantasy Football Podcast for 8/3

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News and notes from around the league.

Don't you feel the energy, Mike? Don't you feel the energy right now?

I do, man. I'm nervous.

Yeah.

Do it.

Ricky Pearsall. There's the energy out of the building. Oh man. Oh, is that the electrical substation? Oh no.

It's getting everybody.

I just— yes. And no, Ricky Pearsall placed on season-ending IR. It's coming for you, Mike Evans.

Electro.

PCL reconstruction surgery for Ricky Pearsall.

Dude, big time bummer. Pearsall, if you want to buy in anything to the substation, Pearsall was not an injury guy in college. He goes to San Francisco. Immediately an injury guy.

And, uh, well, to be fair, yeah, at first he got shot.

Yes, that is fair.

That wasn't the substation, was it?

We will never know.

It's a bad neighborhood around, you know, listen, substations.

Every player in the NFL has a story. And unfortunately, the story of Ricky Pearsall is one of injury now. That's the story for him. Whether he comes back from it.

It's a bummer, man.

I mean, this is a tough one to come back from. Like, I know you see a lot of ACL injuries and a PCL reconstruction is, is worse. And so he's already lost the beginning of his career basically. Now he's got to— the team is going to move forward. They just have to.

Yes.

And then he's got to come back and somehow earn his way back on. I hope he can. I hope he does someday, but it's, it's an uphill battle from here.

One of the best ways to come back and be relevant at some point is when you have Mike Evans and Deebo Samuel on your roster who are older and may move on at some point. But Deebo Samuel was also added to the roster, 1-year deal.

Ricky will be— Ricky's turning 26 real soon. So he will be 27 and like Dynasty managers shed a tear. San Francisco has to do something.

Would you trade him away for a third?

Look how sad the Falcons.

Dynasty?

Look how sad the Falcons.

No, I would not.

He's so sad.

Oh, the Niners fan.

De'Jawn Stribling also held out of practice. That would be the 49ers up-and-coming wide receiver hamstring.

They should. Hold him out of the rest of all the practices. All players practice off. They can't get injured if they're not practicing.

I mean, they— this is not the only injury. I mean, they have like a handful already. Their rookie defensive end, uh, not to bypass it, Deebo Samuel signed to a 1-year deal. Everything the team is saying that this was going to be something that happened regardless of the Pierslaw situation. He said he— they're going to use him in kick returns, punt returns, all over the field. Deebo, if he's going to be successful again, this is a good place to try to do that where they know his strengths and weaknesses. They can use him in the offense and there's a need because everybody's hurt all the time.

Yeah, I think this is a good landing spot for him and it's good for the Niners. I don't know that it's very fantasy relevant. I expect at this point he's going to be used a lot, you know, close to the line of scrimmage, special teams, that type of stuff. TBD, but obviously I like Mike Evans. I'm very in on Mike Evans, but you're holding your breath.

I'm holding my breath like an electrical substation.

Yeah, I mean, that hamstring is like beef jerky at this point and You know, it's just one wrong cut and all of a sudden, you know, Deebo's more needed.

I think I initially have Deebo ranked right now at wide receiver 44, which is probably higher than Mike has him, probably higher than you have him, but that's not super relevant. Chris Olave, baby.

Oh, get that money.

We got that drop for Chris Olave. Money, money, money, money, money. This is the opposite of the Ricky Pearsall story. This is an injury-plagued, terrifying future situation that has turned into a 4-year, $132 million extension for Chris Olave. $90 million guaranteed. That's how the team feels about the injury risk.

Yeah, they are bullish on Olave. I've always loved— I mean, we've always loved Olave since he came out.

We just became scared.

Yeah, I mean, you look like you are one head injury away from the career being over, but they are invested. They believe in him. He was awesome last year. I had someone be like, well, when's he played a full season? Last year, week 18, he took off as all players should and all fantasy managers should. Yeah, I know it was, it was, he didn't take it off.

Well, he had a blood clot.

He sure did. He took it off for a blood clot.

Okay. Mike, I think, what are you doing?

I'm saying that he played without injury. He didn't get injured. His soft tissue issues, his concussion issues.

He had a blood clot.

Would you call that an injury? Yes.

For real? Yes. Not a football-related injury.

Just an injury.

I guess I wouldn't call that an injury. I see Al shaking his head no. He wouldn't call that an injury. That's just a medical condition.

Yeah.

Like, would you call diabetes an injury if you had to like, you had low blood sugar or something and you're like, I can't play? I don't know. Regardless. That's a fair point. Regardless. For a medical reason. He didn't take it off.

Okay.

That's a fair counterpoint.

Okay.

If someone's like, I can't go to work today because I'm having a severe issues with my diabetes.

Yeah.

Would you say, oh, you're taking the day off?

Yes. Um, okay.

Out with illness.

The point here for the fact that they are all in on Olave, they paid the money because he had such a successful season and really his career when he's been on the field has been awesome. Jordan Tyson also very healthy. We had all the hamstring issues coming in at the draft and even early camps. It was like, Is he going to be a— these two guys, I know you're in on Tyler Shook. Oh yeah. These two guys are starting to realize very much. They're a top. They are already, I believe today, a top 5 tandem.

Oh, come on.

No, for real.

Top 5 is crazy.

No, I don't think it goes crazy. So you got Ja'Marr and Tee Higgins.

So Cowboys and Bengals are done.

Cowboys, Lamb and Pickens. Lamb and Pickens are done. I think Puka and Davante Adams, they're above them. I think Amon-Ra and Jameson Williams. They're above them. That's where, okay, now you go, the 5th is where they could go. Jefferson and Addison.

Okay, sure.

Maybe you put them ahead.

You can't give Tyson that level of respect without a snap on the field.

Sure can.

I mean, you can. And I think it's deserved. I think he is an absolute maniacal stud. I don't, I don't even know if he's better than Olave.

It's August.

You got to bring up Jordan Tyson is there. I mean, then you're going. I mean, Waddle Sutton.

Look, Andy can have them outside the top 5 while we are here and then he's going to have to scramble to catch up, but it will be too late.

Yeah, I think that they are there. They are at that tier of in that 5th tier personally. Okay.

That's why we have the show. Tucker Kraft activated from the PUP list. Realistic will take part in joint practices.

So he's running very well when it's straight.

It's awesome that Tucker Kraft is in the practice consideration right now after the injury. Chris Brazell, season-ending IR. Yeah, that's a bummer. Kyle Manungai returned to practice after missing 3 practices. It was a soft tissue issue. Xavier Worthy avoided a serious shoulder injury. He had been carted off. And rookie wide receiver who was making waves, Cyrus Allen, he was carted off, but it's a shin bruise, And he had been making plays.

What a wild Twitter roller coaster that was. If you were on the football Twitters, Cyrus Allen was almost Offensive Player of the Year in 2026. He was pretty much the most important player in all of football projected for a day or two. Then it was carted off. His career is over and it was a shambles.

So TBD, man, the, the Chiefs. All every year, the Chiefs always have a guy where you're like, holy crap, this really late drafted player is about to come into the NFL and set it on fire.

I mean, I'll say this, that like Rashee Rice running downfield looked awful. His knee is not ready. I, and I know you said maybe he's warming up. That's not a warmup run. That was a full-on run.

That's what I'm sure.

Yeah, I'm positive.

It was, it was a full, I agree. It was a full run.

It was what he's at right now.

I will say this. We are still months away from the season and you would expect him coming off of this injury to not be at 100% right now, but he was clearly not at 100%.

And the reason that the Chiefs have somebody every offseason is because it's been a long time since Tyreek Hill existed. And we are trying to find somebody to believe in each and every offseason, whether it's Jaylen Royals for an offseason.

Skymore.

I mean, we know, we know that Mahomes could supply somebody with a lot of fantasy value.

And I think the odds of it being Cyrus Allen are not high. No, Cyrus Allen is just a great name to know for dynasty leagues. I assume by this point in time he's been picked up in all dynasty leagues, but there's some out there that maybe he's sitting on the waivers and you should scoop him up immediately.

And to the Rashee Rice point, it's just that he is recovering from an actual injury.

Absolutely.

There was a ton of offseason, you know, off the field issues and jail time and things of that nature. But you also want to know that this player is back at full strength. And going to be a focal point of the offense. I, he's, he's a really tough player because I don't think Rashee Rice, and we've said this before, I think you guys agree in a different offense in a different environment. He's not the fantasy player that he is in Kansas City.

100%.

They use them around the goal line on touch passes and end arounds and screens and short area targets. And he scores a lot of touchdowns and he's a go-to guy in this offense. There are question marks around his effectiveness because of injury, because of Kelsey's effectiveness, who I think draws interior coverage. If he's not as good, does, does Rice get as much work or have as much success? Probably because of Patrick Mahomes. But there's still, this is a limited player. This is not a player that's running, you know, 25-yard digs. And I mean, maybe that's in his repertoire, but we haven't seen it. He's been a closer to the line of scrimmage catch and run guy, which the funny running part is the part I'm worried about.

The funniest part of the Funniest thing I saw said about that was, well, he doesn't get passes that far down the field anyways. So what are you worried about?

With the run? Yeah.

No, I mean, you like that's, that's not his ADI over there.

It isn't. So unless we have any other news, unless the 49ers in the substation have attacked again, I'll let you know.

We'll break in.

We're going to go ahead and take a break and get into Ice and Fire. Are we ready for this?

Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo. Ice and Fire.

Well, this is always a very fun segment. It's one of my favorites. We've done this for live shows before. But we each have picked an Ice and Fire player to talk about for the upcoming season. I'm going to come clean right at the top of this segment.

Okay.

Today's going to be a hard day for me.

Okay.

Because I know the names that are coming up.

You don't necessarily love them.

I'm not in agreement with a couple of them and it's going to be really tough for me.

Well, that, that's great. I mean, we shouldn't always be in agreement, but It gives us a chance to sway you.

Yeah, no, you're who we're talking to. Let me put it this way. I am all ears. I would like to know where my brain is diverging from your brain and I'm excited to hear it. We're going to start off with, I mean, it's a perfect segue. We just, we just talked about this team. I want to talk about Travis Kelce. Travis Kelce is, you want to talk about screenshots.

The, uh, if you're talking about the Rasheed Rice route, the, uh, you're talking about dad bod. That's the Travis Kelce photo. It's not flattering. You know what it is?

I don't know.

That's the problem.

I don't know. I don't know anymore. Now I feel angles of everything and where the shirt may or jersey may have just bloused out.

Him and Deebo got, I hope they got the eyed.

Deebo's always been a thick boy forever. I mean, we had, we had thick boy Deebo in Washington and he still had never forget Fat Keenan Allen season.

Oh yeah, he dominated.

Well, let's just say this. It's a really tough thing in the AI world because you know what people are doing? It's funny if you're like, hey, let's make Victor Wiminyama 30 feet tall. I could tell that's AI.

Right.

But now they're doing this thing where it's like, make the legs a little bit longer. Just a little bit. So it looks just a little bit weird.

Give them £8.

Yeah, what are we doing? That should be what's banned in AI. I don't care about all the rest. Just don't let people do subtle changes to appearance.

Just learn how to do a joke.

Right. Yeah, we did do that with one of our employees though, huh?

Oh, we did.

We changed his hairline just a little bit.

We got to tell this story. This is great.

So that's the joke for that one.

Yeah.

So we know how to tell jokes.

We play a bunch of games in the office. People are champions of that game and take unreasonable amounts of pride in winning these stupid little games. He had won. Printed a poster of himself. I love large posters. We're talking 24 by 36 framed posters.

Someone should grab it and put it up.

Above his desk.

Nah, leave it up.

No, I don't mind it. And then he went on vacation. And he's a young man. He's the youngest man in this office.

He's a very handsome man.

Handsome, strong, virile, you know, whatever a young person is.

And doesn't have the best hairline.

The hairline though is going.

That's his issue.

We all have our issues.

That's his.

It's his Achilles heel. And quite a heel.

Yeah.

It was worse than mine.

We took the photo down. We scanned the photo. We moved his hairline back. We reprinted the photo and we hung it up above his desk.

To see how long until he would notice that his hairline is worse right above his head.

The problem, one of the problems was his name is Jake Pittner. And we changed his name to Jorg Diddler.

Yeah.

And that really let him know that the poster was wrong. And that's where we went off. Mike is just so ashamed that I shared that part. But the hairline, we subtly moved it and he noticed. So listen, Travis Kelce and the AI dad bod or not. I mean, look, you're going to get one when you're entering the near 40 age range. He's 36.8 years old. We're going to talk about Travis Kelce, but he is my eyes. Okay, that—

don't ruin my thing.

All right.

That sounds like you like ice. Travis Kelce. I know, Mike, you've talked more positively about him as kind of like maybe he's a great floor tight end.

Yes.

I am very— I'm very concerned on a number of levels. It's not surprising. I have him the lowest of the three of us by a lot. Mike's got him at 9. Jason at 11. I got him at 17. You know, I feel like part of the argument is the obvious stuff. Everything's going down in terms of the production, the snap percentage, the target share, the targets per outrun, the receptions, the red zone targets. I mean, it is gone down significantly. I think the red zone targets is one to bring up specifically where like 26 down to 11. That's a big difference. So then you're like, is he just less valuable? Do they use him less? Is he losing a step? Well, the Chiefs are like, when they targeted the tight end position and Travis Kelce, 20th in yards per attempt, 22nd in pass success rate, 32nd in percentage of inaccurate targets. He's not where he used to be. That's the point.

If you are 32nd in inaccurate target numbers, about to be 37, which I will forgive. Holy crap. How is he that old?

I will forgive it if he's not playing football. You can be 37. Yeah. You just can't do it on a field and have success. And 41% of his routes at this point now are the old guy routes, the short stuff. You don't get the big plays that you used to get from Kelce. His fantasy points per game are in decline. 15, 11, 9, 9.1. I agree that there's a world where Travis Kelce is fine as a floor play tight end. But do you want— I mean, Jason, you've talked so much about the tight end position. Yeah. If you're not going for a bunch of points, big top 5. I think it's a top 5, you know, Bowers, McBride, Loveland, Warren, Fannin.

Oh, you put Fannin in?

Okay. I put Fannin in.

That's fine.

You don't have to. 4.5, whatever.

You don't want to put last year's top 5 tight end Travis Kelce in there?

Well, I mean, it is a product of availability, not performance.

It is.

He has been out there. I just think it might be worth taking a shot at a high upside athletic tight end like Isaiah Likely in New York. Britton Strange in the offense that we're going to love in Jacksonville. I mean, they could be a Super Bowl contender. I just find it to be like there's a world where you draft Kelsey high enough to where you lock him in as your tight end and he performs bad enough for you to be really not able to make the moves you need to make.

That's where I think I disagree is where he's being drafted is not high. I mean, he's double-digit rounds. We've done mocks where he's undrafted. If, you know, if he's not one of the top 12 that you're, you know, When I draft, I'm either getting one of those top guys or I'm waiting till the very last pick. And there's been times where at that last pick, I'm basically waiting to see if I want Kelsey or Kincaid. And I do, I will say this, I usually go the other way. I'm trying to swing for the fences to have someone that is a higher upside. However, you know, Kelsey will be involved in the offense. We'll get, you know, if you're in a, especially a full PPR league, you should have a safe floor and it costs you nothing. The question is, could he score more around the goal line?

I was going to ask Mike, do you, you know, outside of the availability argument and the 9, you know, 8 or 9 points a game, is there a world in your mind that Travis Kelce, a year older, is making a jump up? That's kind of the decision.

Is it not a meaning like above those top 5?

Names I gave you.

No, no, no, no.

Or Tucker Kraft.

No.

Kyle Pitts.

Kyle Pitts, maybe.

Okay.

You know, for all the— what we're talking about here, last year Kyle Pitts, even with the greatest game that a fantasy tight end has ever given us, 9.8 points per game. And Travis Kelce was just over 9. Like, this is not a wide margin between the two where Kyle Pitts could absolutely be like he, he still has a ceiling that we don't know if it's there or if it's not. It won't be there for Kelce. The upside play for him is he's so late in the draft and the, the addition of Kenneth Walker makes this offense better. And you actually, when you get into the, you know, inside the 5, we used to get all those like the fun, the bowling ball throw to Travis Kelce because the defense actually had to worry about is the running back going to get the ball.

So yeah, Ken Walker makes it much better.

So that's where I'm not going to push back a ton and say like I love Travis Kelce or anything like that.

I'm really curious about what third downs look like for the Chiefs this year because to me the third down magic last year was Mahomes' legs. He would get out of situations and pick up a third down. If it's third and 6, 7 and he's running down the field spray him with water. I barely spray him with water.

I'll get you next time.

You know, is Kelce going to be able to be open for those third down conversions? You know, how do they do that without Mahomes' legs? So there you go. My eyes, not a surprising one, but also one I think to me, I'm aiming elsewhere. I'm going elsewhere. I'm going to not appropriate too much of the name and expect too much from him. Travis Kelce is—

I know I like the— if you're talking about, you know, the the younger guys of like Isaiah Likely, Okonkwo, guys that they're, they probably will not pan out, but they're at least at an age for football players that something good could happen that we're not really seeing yet.

All right. Who's up next? The suspense is building.

All right. I'll go next. I'm going to go from a player who is in the double-digit rounds to a player who is very, very, very high in Drafts, a player that we all love. And by we, I don't just mean the three of us. I mean the world. A player I loved coming out. I'm also, however, getting cold. Oh, ice. It's Devon Achan is my ice pick for 2026. And this is closer and closer to a green. Look, it's sad.

I feel like you both are there and I am unhappy.

So let me talk to you.

You think we're happy about these things?

You currently have him as your running back 4. I get it. He was awesome last year. He was so consistent. He had more than 11 fantasy points in every single game. There's only 4 running backs that have ever done that. Priest Holmes back in 2003, DeMarco Murray, Christian McCaffrey once, and last year's Devon Achan. So, and obviously the Dolphins were bad last year. So the argument is like, well, if the argument is that he's on a bad team and he's still on a bad team, however, he's on a much worse team.

I mean, that's—

so here's, here is my argument. When I say he's on a much worse team, I'm saying how many total points are the Miami Dolphins going to score? Because without Waddle and without Tua and with no wide receiver weapons, without Mike McDaniel, without— exactly, without Mike McDaniel. They are most likely going to score fewer points than last year. Now, if we look at the Vegas lines, they are projected for the 29th most total NFL points. That is really, really bad. If you look at the wins, they are projected for a grand total of 5.5 wins. No, no, no. Is it 4.5, Kyle? What is, what is the projection? 3.

2.

2.

4.5 wins. And so obviously we talk about we want players from at the running back position from good teams that win games. That doesn't mean they can't come from a bad team and be good. But where is he being drafted? Is he being drafted at a value or is he not? And right now he's being drafted at like the 1-2 turn. He is being drafted as a clear-cut RB1. Very high is costing you a lot in fantasy and very similar to how I had Ashanti Gentry as my bust pick last year. I look at the situation, I go, it's not going to return. You're going to make a mistake if you're taking them that high. It's going to work out poor for you. You have, first of all, over the last 2 years, he played with the quarterback that targeted the running back position more than any quarterback in the NFL. That is his superpower. A target is worth so much more than a carry for fantasy football. And those targets will certainly go down. Not only does he lose Tua, but he goes all the way to a quarterback that we don't know his tendencies because we haven't seen him much.

But Malik Willis has wheels and might scramble instead of checking it down here or there. That makes sense. That sucks. But, you know, can it work for a team that wins 4.5 games? To have a running back really give you value at that 1-2 turn in fantasy football. How rare his ADP is, is crazy. Listen to this. Since 2014, there's only 3 running backs who were drafted in the top 3 rounds with a win total of 5.5 or fewer. Isaiah Crowell back in 2017, David Johnson in 2019, and this year, Davon Achane. Being drafted not just in the top 3, but a borderline first round pick.

What's his ADP?

He's like 202 last I saw this morning.

So what running back is that? I think it was running back 8. 6 or 7?

Okay, 8. Here's a study and this I think you'll like hearing. You won't like hearing this, but Brandon Godula.

That's the opposite.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm saying you need to hear this.

Okay.

I'm saying open your ears.

Here's this thing that you'll like.

Here's this thing that—

You're not going to like it. It's like—

It's like having your vegetables. You don't like it, but you really need it. And you need to hear this. Among running backs drafted in the first 3 rounds since 2014, only 27 were on teams projected for fewer than 7 wins. And remember, Achan's at 4.5. 30% of that group outperformed their ADP in terms of fantasy points per game. There's just— He has to be outrageously perfect, have crazy high touchdown.

The 44% of those fell shy of their expectation by at least 2 points per game.

Yeah.

2 PPR points.

So there's a weird thing going on this year. I'm trying to be very open-minded to this argument. I hate it because I think Davante HN is in the Gibbs category of talent.

He's a great player.

And so we look at this and I'm looking at the ADP in the top, like All right. Bijan is— Bijan's 7.5 wins for Atlanta. That's sub-500. It's not that same level. But then like, you know, the Raiders, the Raiders are going to be at 5.5, 6.5, depending on the book you're looking at. Dolphins are at the bottom of that list. But it's interesting because all three of those names are your top— in your top 7, top 8.

Yeah.

And so push is going to come to shove. I know you love Asante.

Yes.

And so it's hard for me to swallow. Devon Achan going from the singular most consistent running back. So his ability, his special talent last year to me was overcoming how horrendous the Dolphins were. That was his gift. His gift was just somehow they're down by a million points. He still ends up with big performances. I hate doubting the talent of Devon Achan and that's what it feels like you're doing.

Yeah.

All your numbers make sense. But it's not what I'm doing. Your numbers make sense, but you're playing the odds, not the player.

I am playing the odds, not the player.

I think that's where we—

odds are that Devon Achan is a very bad bet. If you want to pick him at where he's going currently, and hopefully after this show, maybe he gets down into that, you know, middle of the third round. It's like, oof, that's a value. Well, you know, scoop him up. It just feels like he's going to have to be—

and I know you agree, Mike, and I hear what you're saying. It makes sense.

You have Mike McDaniel being gone. Is on it. That's the biggest red flag for me. And then Malik Willis, we know, you know, look, guys that scramble, you just, you get fewer checkdowns. It does happen.

It's just to play slightly devil's advocate argument, just to get your response to this. We also know that the absence of weapons lends itself to a heavier involvement. This is a guy that got paid huge amounts of money this offseason. The offense is Devon Achan. He came out yesterday and in training camp, he's focused on winning the rushing record for the season. I mean, that's the goal for him is to be the rushing leader. So for me, that's one where I drew the line on talent over situation.

That's the bet when you take him.

I feel like we've done with Bijan for a number of years.

When you take him at ADP, that is 100% the bet. It's like, what does it look like? What does this offense look like when Achan is everything? And I know he was like, yeah, he's a focal point of the offense. I admit that you have an argument, but it's like you still had Waddle last year who is an elite player. And then ADP-wise, it's like, okay, right here, what I'm seeing right now, you know, Barkley, he's right around where Achan is going. And then right after Achan is Hampton, Chase Brown. Kenneth Walker, Derrick Henry, all running backs that you will not be able to draft.

Yeah, I mean, I could see an argument for Walker over him, Hampton over him, Chase Brown over him. I don't see— I don't see Saquon or Henry over him.

Okay.

Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, he will get the ball a lot. My issue is I think it'll be more on the ground. Here's what we know. We know that every second and long, they will mistakenly hand the ball to Achan because Bobby Sloak is there.

I mean, third and long is going to absolutely rip. I feel like part of this argument is you are, you're building an idiocy by the Dolphins because only an idiot would not give the ball to this man.

No, I think they would give it to the man, but more in carries than in targets. And a target is worth so much more in fantasy football.

What is the average? 6.1 a carry or something like that, man.

He's a great player.

What is the average per target and half point on top of that? I'm saying fantasy points.

Who are they going to throw it to if it's not him?

I don't know.

Yeah, I mean, that's where it's hard. That's a long list of—

No, I told you it's going to be hard for me to swallow. I wanted to have the conversation and the numbers are compelling. The numbers of your odds are not great. I'm not sure the ADP is too expensive or not. That's the hard part. But you bring up some names where like, I'm getting really toasty about Ken Walker. You know, it's like, seems like he's going to be the Chiefs offense. We have all these discussions around Rice and Cyrus Allen and Kelce. It just feels like the Chiefs are going to be Ken Walker in the defense.

Achan is—

so that's a tough one.

He's— and then he's in this category of, I don't know if I want him at his ADP. Could be a lot of years, but if he's on my opponent's team, I'm going to be like, all right, what you got, Mike? All right. Well, speaking of Jalen Waddle, let's get right to it.

Fire.

Absolute fire. New Denver Broncos superstar, Jalen Waddle. Yes, I have a Jalen Waddle problem, but I think we finally have a solution, guys. We got him over to Bo Nix and Sean Payton and the Denver Broncos. He's going right now about the back of the fourth, wide receiver 23. So a fringe Wide receiver 2, and just remember what happened. So Jalen Waddle, he's still in prime age. You know, he will be turning 28. We're okay with that. These are still some prime years for the wide receiver position. The Broncos traded a first, a future third, and fourth to go get Jalen Waddle. They looked at what they had last year in terms of pass catchers and weapons. And Sean Payton and crew decided this is not enough. You know, Bo Nix, what is it? Bo Nix threw the ball more than anyone in the NFL last year. And it doesn't feel like it because you didn't get the production because you didn't have a true elite player. The superlatives coming from Sean Payton about Jalen Waddle are already just top tier saying he walks on water with his traits. Talk about the great speed.

Okay, Sean.

Hey, perhaps a little blasphemous, but it's going to be good for your fantasy football team. Great speed and stop. So like that start-stop stuff, it's really important. And that's how Waddle can win. Last year, you know, in totality, it didn't fully work for Jalen Waddle and crew, but on a per route basis, look, man, still elite. You know, we're talking a player who is a 2.42 yards per route run, a 26% targets per route run. This is a guy that gets the ball because he demands the ball because he gets open. Per Ryan Heath, over the last 4 years, Waddle was targeted on 29% of his routes and averaged 2.85 yards per route run when Tyreek Hill was not on the field. So this is a player that he can be a true number one. If the beginning of Jalen Waddle's career was he was banished to Siberia, aka the Miami Dolphins, only to give us a wide receiver 16 season as a rookie, then a wide receiver 7. And we thought, man, the wheels are absolutely up. But then they bring in Tyreek Hill and you, it's understandable that Tyreek Hill is going to come in and take over and be the true wide receiver one on the team.

Team, but now he gets to be the wide receiver one for the Denver Broncos. Davis Webb, the new play caller for the Broncos. We're going to, we will get low A-dots. We will get screens to Jalen Waddle. And I think he will absolutely succeed. Nix led the NFL in screen attempts over the last 2 years. If you're going to do them a bunch, you might as well go get yourself a player who can be elite and give you production with those things. I'm very in on Jaylen Waddle being barely priced as a wide receiver too. I think that he can, I mean, we always want sure known target volume. You know, when we're taking these players, Jay, we always like, man, I just want someone who's going to, I need 150 targets.

Yeah.

And it's like Jaylen Waddle can 100% do that for you. So, you know, I don't have, extreme numbers for him, but I think he can get over 1,100 yards, around 6 touchdowns. And I think there's even a ceiling that I do not have projected into my numbers. And my numbers still put him way ahead of the market.

There's 2 things that get me a little hot and bothered for Waddle, because when the trade happened, I was like pretty much out on Waddle. I'm like, okay, he's coming to a team with Courtland Sutton that spreads the ball around. They have a great defense. They don't need to get in shootouts. So I was pretty out on Waddle, just like, hey, it's good for the Broncos. The more time has gone on, two things have happened. One, and I've mentioned this before, I went back and I watched the tape on Bo Nix again, especially all of his deep shots. And it just was a screaming need. He didn't have a weapon to utilize how he wants to play ball. And then you combine that with the fact that, well, they saw that, they went out and got him. But recently you talk about what Sean Payton has said and, you know, cute little soundbites like he walks on water. But I saw an interview yesterday with Sean Payton where he was genuinely talking to these people about, you have no idea how much we're going to use Jalen Waddle. It was like, you can use him long, you can use him short.

I can move him in the slot. I can move him out wide. And he talked about fantasy football specifically. He said, It's easier to project—

use them in the rain.

It's easier to project a running back or a tight end because you can manufacture those touches. It's hard with a wide receiver because you don't know where the ball's going. And then he's like, but not with Waddle. Like, we are, we are going to be getting Waddle the ball a ton. And so that's, that's made me update my belief in the target share. I still don't think this is an offense that's going to, you know, be in the top 10 in total points. Not that they couldn't be, but because of their defense, I don't think they will actually end up there. However, I do think that the slice of pie Waddle gets from this offense is far larger than I thought early this offseason.

Yeah, I mean, Peyton always gives me a little bit. I mean, I like the pick. I like, I like Waddle. He's moved up in my rankings. I like the idea that this is a superstar that we finally have where All the other receivers sort of blend together, don't they? They kind of blend into this. You just have wide receivers. That's what you have with Mims and Pat Bryant and Sutton and, you know, Franklin. Hey, just, yeah, thank you. I know.

So they, that's the, the, you know, Jason likes Franklin. I like Pat Bryant, but it's like they have been searching.

They've been searching and not finding out because like Waddle, Waddle's best season was in 2022.

Yes.

And we are, we're a few years away from that. Like, I won't, I don't, will you be happy with 10.1 fantasy points per game in Denver? Probably not for Jaylen Waddle.

No, I don't think so.

And I was trying to look up where that would put him as a wide receiver. That's where he was last year. Obviously, it seems like he's more hurt than his numbers say.

Yeah.

Oh yeah.

That part is true.

It looks like he plays about 15, 16 games, but he only plays like half of, half of them. But no, I like the pick. I think he needs to come up in my rankings. I like all the comments from Peyton about high expectations. He said, I don't follow fantasy football, but shoot, I'd try to have him. I think he's going to do well. But I also think that Sean Peyton is kind of a very— he's one of the least predictable head coaches because he's willing to throw the ball to anybody anytime, hand the ball to anybody anytime. That would be the back of my head fear.

Remember back in the day though, when Michael Thomas was part of the Sean Payton system and they had that guy who could win on both areas of the field and that was just the hope is get him the ball every play.

All right.

We'll take a break. We'll come back with 3 more picks. All right. Ice and fire continues. I'm not going to leave you in suspense here. My Fire pick is Emeka Obuka.

Fire.

Yes.

Emeka.

Let me get you there. Emeka Ekpegbu. I'd be so sick if it was on the back of his jersey. We have spent a lot of time this offseason talking about Obuka, about the end of the season and the bad scars and taste in your mouth because he was so terrible at the end of the year. If you want to know part of that equation, it was The fact that 27% of his targets were inaccurate at the end of the year. That's the worst of any player in the National Football League. So do we hold Ibuka to be the only one to blame for that? I think if your targets are inaccurate, they're harder to catch. That's my analysis of the situation.

I'm not a professional.

Right.

But that sounds pretty good.

Did you ever catch any of my targets in flag football when they weren't near you?

No, no.

See, that's, that's where my market research is.

The uncatchable targets are very difficult to catch, right?

Nearly almost because of the un.

Yeah.

So he had 127 targets last year. Only 81 of those targets were catchable. So he was heavily targeted. We had such the, you know, so much excitement over the first half of the year. This is the second most fantasy points scored ever to start a career by a wide receiver. So everybody got on board. Everybody's excited for the Hall of Fame career commencing. And then we got a really, really bad end of the season. Reasons being he hurt his hamstring in week 6. That lingered. Mike Evans got knocked out. He got moved to the X position, which was tougher for him to execute on. I think that's what went into some of the uncatchable targets. And then we know that Baker Mayfield was absolutely damaged. You know, injury was the right word for Baker Mayfield. A couple of them. This offseason, you're going to see Emeka Ebuka, with the absence of Mike Evans, blossom into the do-everything wide receiver that this team needs. I think they have a top-tier quarterback in Baker Mayfield. His skill set, he's going to be the Z receiver. He's lining up off the line. He's being moved all over the place.

Zach Robinson is coming in, you know, last year, like I said, lined up at the X for the majority of the snaps. He is much more versatile. You're going to have Chris Godwin in the slot. You're going to have McMillon and Ted Hurst at the X spot. And then Ibuka is going to be your go-to player all over the field. And so I'm just so excited for the upside and potential for Ibuka to really solidify himself as a top 12 receiver all year long.

Yep, not impossible.

We've seen enough from him in those games to see what kind of a route runner He is, he understands everything about this offense. He knows how to track the ball. I'm just very, very excited for the future of Emeka Egbuka. And I think you do inherit in fantasy. One of the reasons I pivoted to him, I was thinking about going AJ Brown here. I like AJ Brown in New England, but I wanted to go with Egbuka because I think you have a little bit of a discount here. You have a discount and it's the, you know, I don't know what he is discount. And so I think you should draw your conclusions from half a year of being one of the most successful rookies in the history of the game. That's a tremendously difficult thing to do. You'll listen to this show the last 12 years. Most of the time we say, hey, watch out for the second half of the year for rookie wide receivers to get acclimated. This is what took place for a lot of players.

What we meant for Ibuka was, oh, watch out.

Right. In this situation, it's going to get you. Watch out for the second half of the year. You're going to start him a bunch of times that you wish you hadn't. But I don't think this guy stopped being a talented wide receiver. Everything from camp, healthy Baker. I'm really in on Ibuka. I think this is an opportunity being drafted as the wide receiver 19 where you, you have top 7 potential for Emeka Ibuka this year. So I want to jump back on that bandwagon, forgive the second half and expect big things from an offense. I actually like, I mean, the offensive line is going to be a little bit better. Bucky Irving is going to be back, play action. I think Ibuka could come out and be a dominator to start the year.

His— I'm trying to remember where he was being drafted last year. Like, I don't think we're that far off, you know, where you weren't sure. You know, he's a first round in the pedigree and all that. He was, I think, like a sixth round pick. And now you have at least some proof of concept of no, he's— he could be that player we thought he was. And he's still going in the fourth. I like the ADP.

It just seems like I don't think that ADP is going to change much.

I know it shouldn't.

And what was it? You know, the first half of the year last year, this was up over 15 fantasy points a game.

Yeah. And the changes that happened midseason with the injuries around him shifted him around. He's coming in this year. Being placed in the role that he is supposed to be playing, that they drafted him to play and that he was really special. I, we all love the talent. I think we all forgive the injuries and expect the offense to be much better. And you mentioned it, Andy, but I think it bears mentioning again, the offensive line for the Buccaneers are one of the fantasy storylines that really needs to be thought of more. Because this is a good NFL offensive line that had so many injuries last year that they were a bad— like, you only really look at the outliers. You know, middle of the pack is whatever. This is a top offensive line that was a bottom offensive line, very similar to what we've been talking about with the Chargers. And so that, that changes things for, for, for a fantasy offense.

All right, Mike, why don't you go next and Jason can round us out?

All right. You already got my fire pick. I think this is the one that has Andy a little bit flustered.

Ice.

My ice player for 2026 is Quinshon Judkins. Hmm.

I haven't— I haven't—

What are you trying to do over there, Jay?

I haven't—

You're just hitting a lot of buttons with getting no sound, huh?

Is he trying to cheer or is he trying to boo?

I don't know. He's just, oh, the people hate it. Well, that's all right. Like Jon Snow against the Horde, I will.

Jason is booing it too, or is he just—

He's booing me.

I am booing Mike. I think I am much more on your side here, Andy. Oh my gosh. Yeah.

I haven't cried in a bunch of years, but I feel like crying right now.

And it's, I assume a lot of your arguments are going to be the arguments I made about Achan, but the ADP is the difference.

So go ahead, Mike.

They will be. They are pretty similar.

Bad team. Bad quarterback.

But let's start with the actual player.

Oh no.

This is, this one's good. This one is.

You won't like these numbers.

Oh, fight, fight.

I'm really fine with you not liking him because he's on the Browns. I'm not going to be fine with what you say next.

These are just statistics. So you can get mad at that. So rush success rate. Where I'm going to start with that. And that's sometimes it can get a little bit lost where you're like, what is that exactly? So Rush Success Rate is based off of the down and distance. How many of the yards did the running back get? So whether a play gains at least 40% of the yards required on first down, 60% of the yards on second down. And then of course you need all the yards on third or fourth down. And this is why we say, you know, yards per carry, it's not everything. Things happen. You know, you get a bunch of carries inside.

Also historically not a valuable metric to look at for rookies.

Right. Sometimes you're inside the 5 and you get some carries and it's like, oh, my yards per carry was down a little bit there. But here's the thing. Rush success rate is like, this is based off of the flow of the game. So like, if you know, like I said, 40% of the yards are first down. If you look at rush success rate out of 55 running backs, you got it.

Is that the number?

Judkins ranked 55th.

You think this man cares about rush success? He's trying to survive in Cleveland. This is the open plains, Mike. This is survival.

It's bad to not be like to have truly a lack of success on your carries. You'll get a, you'll get a big one every once in a while and you'll score some touchdowns. But we're talking about overall efficiency. Like you're, you're absolutely just killing the offense. You can have players with a low yards per carry. Like so Emmanuel Wilson under 4, but a 58% rush success. Bashalt Tuton 3.7. That's real bad, but a 58% rush success. Even the much maligned Zach Charbonnet, where we're like, why do they keep putting in Charbs? 48%. And here's Quinshon Judkins at the very bottom at 41% of the time he's having a, what you would call a successful rush. As a receiver, 33%. Only Devin Singletary was worse among qualified rookie running backs over the last decade. Efficiency-wise, he was lacking as the rookie, and I just don't see it changing for them. The Cleveland Browns was shockingly to me. The Cleveland Browns are a 6.5-win total team, which is somehow better than the Miami Dolphins.

Significantly better.

They are 30th in average. The Cleveland Browns are 30th in average implied total as in, in terms of the, the total points that will be scored in their games. Cleveland is favored in only 2 games this year. And none after their Week 11 bye. And the offensive line in consensus offense offensive line rankings around everywhere, Cleveland is dead last in terms of what people are expecting from this offensive line.

There was a point in your adoration for Kenneth Walker in which there were a lot of these numbers for you, but you believed in the player. And I admit it's going to be tough sledding for, for that offense. I think the Browns are going to be a better team than people expect. Losing Miles Garrett.

That's in the defense. Like last year is the defense.

The defense is number 8 last year in fantasy points scored. They will not be. They will still be a very good defense. They intercepted a lot of passes. They caused a lot of forced fumbles. I know Miles Garrett dominates a lot. They didn't get nobody back for him. You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, you get Quinn coming in and I think that they're going to be a better team than people expect. I do.

Well, I—

that part Jason will disagree with.

I think they will be—

every year you get surprised by some teams that are supposed to be basement dwellers. I think they will be plenty bad.

And here's the difference between Achan and Judkins. ADP, of course, you know, risk being baked into cost. But Achan is an elite pass catcher.

It is nice to have.

Is Judkins an elite pass catcher?

No.

No, they've talked about him being 3-down. Look, this is a belief in the talent of the player.

The running back coach said he thinks he could be a 3-down running back coach.

Better than him not saying that.

I mean, sure.

This offense also has absolutely actual, like, if you look at what happened last year, there's no one to throw the ball to. Like adding Concepcion, adding Boston, having Fanon coming in here, they have some actual weapons. They actually have good players on this team.

They also added, he's not going to be alone. Spencer Fano tackle with the 9th pick overall. So that offensive line hopefully is better than it was last year, even if it's, yeah, this one just hurts my heart.

I totally get it.

I actually more on Andy's side solely because I think he is a good player. A lot of those, a lot of those statistics and the yards per carry and stuff. I think if you go back and you watch the film, he was impressive. And if this offensive line is a little better, if Shadur is better and he should be in year 2, I'm not going to be shocked.

Where's his ADP? Let's just have that conversation.

He is in the 5th round running back 22.

I mean, I'm just, I'm all up in that.

Yeah. At that point for a guy who can be a 3-down back, I knew it would be a tough day. If you look at last year, I knew that what was going on today. Last year, his rookie season, Quinshon Judkins, he got injured early in camp, didn't play week 1, got worked back in a little bit in week 2. From that point until the game where he got unfortunately injured, he was playing a workhorse role. He was on pace for 300 rushing attempts. And yes, it was inefficient, but over 1,000 rushing yards.

Mike, as a rookie, I mean, if he's being drafted at running back 22 and you have him as ice, you probably have him below his ADP.

I do.

So then we can bet like a top 24 running back. That should be easy enough.

I mean, you want— you're happy if you get a top 24 out of Quinshon Judkins, who's being drafted as running back 22? Well, let's go where my mark is right now, 28.

I'm confused now.

That seems even better for me.

Yeah, no, I did it backwards.

Yeah, you did.

All right, fine. Go top 24. I did it backwards. I should have—

this is where Jason would have taken that bet.

I saw it right away.

I was like, here's where my mind is at. Here's where my mind is at because— and hey, Ryan Heath gets another shout out.

I would have given you top 20.

Ryan Heath, another shout out to him because we love Todd Monken's offenses. Absolutely. They produce fantasy points for us. A different— in Todd Monken offenses though, a different player has led in rush attempts per game and targets per game.

Yeah, they have capable pass catchers that aren't Quinton Judkins like Dylan Sampson.

And one of the wild ones about this is, you know, Doug Martin, you know, all the unfortunate stuff with Doug Martin, but as a player.

RIP.

Yeah. In 2016, Doug Martin was averaging 16 rushing attempts per game and Charles Sims led the running back position at 4.6 targets per game. Doug Martin had a season of 70 targets. This wasn't like he couldn't do it. They just changed. And then you've had— so Martin and Sims, Peyton Barber and Jaquizz Rodgers, Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt, Gus Edwards and Justice Hill, and then of course Derrick Henry and Justice Hill. This is a team that's going to be losing a bunch of games and Dylan Samson—

You like Javonte more than him? I'm just thinking of other—

Yeah, I do.

Like there's a handful of guys that are probably in the not catching a ton of passes category. I was just curious where you might slot him.

So it's like if they are losing, Samson's probably going to be on the field and Samson is just— he was a better pass catcher than—

I think you're right.

Than he was last year. So that like there's just so many problems of how many touchdown opportunities losing games, those types of things. And then opportunity cost, the way I look at it right now, running backs going right behind Judkins, David Montgomery.

I'll take Judkins every day.

I'll probably, I'll take Judkins there. That's okay. But then it's Tuten, DeAndre Swift, and Jahdarian Price, all going after Quinshon Judkins.

You would take Price over Judkins?

I think, yeah.

I mean, that's, that's one I would easily go Judkins.

Nope. I'll take, I'll take Price. What about you, Jay?

I think I would go Judkins in, in most of those situations. I like the player. I like the talent. And it doesn't cost much.

Yeah, you get, you do get discounts when they play for the Browns.

Yeah. Well, let's talk. Let's heat it up in here and talk about someone that I think we all like. A dog. Absolute dog. Fire. Tyler Warren. Tyler Warren. Woof. Yeah. I mean, we, you know, some of these, some of these tight ends out there, they don't got that dog in them. But Tyler Warren is a yak master. A yards-after-catch machine. He breaks tackles. He's a first read in their offense. Coming into year 2, I believe he's the centerpiece of the Colts offense. You know, it's Jonathan Taylor as in the running game, but in the passing game, you know, right now the hotness is not Tyler Warren. It's Colston Loveland. It's the other year 2 tight end. However, statistically, like The better rookie season was Tyler Warren. I know Loveland got off to a slow start and had the playoffs that looked great, but Tyler Warren was awesome, especially when he had Daniel Jones. And now coming into early in the offseason, it seemed like, well, we're not sure if Daniel Jones will be ready for week 1, if he'll start the season on the pup. Daniel Jones is full go, 11 on 11 from day 1 of training camp.

And while he might not be as mobile and running for his own fantasy value, as a passer, Daniel Jones for this offense, like Tyler Warren should be even used more. There's all the arguments of, you know, Andy is very in love with Alec Pierce because you have a lot of missing targets from Michael Pittman. I like Josh Downs and a lot of dollars, but Tyler Warren is better than those guys. The argument over on the, the, you know, for the Bears is like, well, is it Luther Burden? Is it Is it Rome? And it's probably Mr. Loveland. But I think if I'm competing with targets, Loveland and Rome is greater sign than Josh Downs and Alec Pierce.

I mean, I agree with that.

Yeah.

So, so you have less competition and this is playing for a team in Shane Steichen who designs plays for players. Daniel Jones threw to his first read 77% of the time. Well, I'm saying that my point is, I know what you mean.

You're saying he's going to build stuff specific to Tyler Warren.

Yes.

It just sounded funny like the other guys are drawing up plays for fans.

I'm saying like specifically for a single player, like this play design is to go to only this guy, which you saw. I mean, by far the like highest first read targets was Daniel Jones last year. And if you look at those games with Daniel Jones, and the splits with Tyler Warren up until week 13 of his rookie season, he was the tight end 3 in fantasy football. He was, he was great. He was 10.7 a game at tight end as a rookie.

We were at the point where we were like, we're going to do it again. Like 3 straight years of the number 1. We had, we had Laporta, Bowers. We were like, Warren might be number 1, which I think he absolutely— that's the big question for people on your fire pick is, can Warren be number 1? I think on the year, because I think that that—

so I believe—

says something.

I believe Warren can be in the mix for number 1. The reason I maybe don't think he could be number one is not anything to do with Warren. It's, it's Brock Bowers. I think Brock Bowers is going nuclear this year and no one will be able to catch him and it'll be a difference maker of like Travis Kelce of old where he's 4 points ahead of next. But I think Tyler Warren could be number 2. I think Tyler Warren could go out and get 150 targets and there's very few tight ends in the league. You're talking about Bowers. You're talking about McBride. And I think Tyler Warren is in that realm of like the leader of the offense could be Tyler Warren. You know, he was one of only 4 rookie tight ends with 70 catches and 800 yards. That was Bowers, Laporta, and Jeremy Schocke back in the day. And the end of the season was so bad because he's playing with Philip Rivers, Grandpa Rivers, and the collapse of the Colts that were not hot and bothered the way that when the Bears go into the playoffs and all of a sudden you see the continued trajectory of Loveland.

Now everyone's like, oh, Loveland. So to me, Tyler Warren, who's being drafted last in this elite tier, he is the cheapest. You can grab a first round pick, a second round pick, a third round pick.

So he's your target in all those drafts because you just take the lowest best player.

I love grabbing him. I think he will be fire for fantasy this year.

I don't disagree.

What's going on back there? Are we doing good?

We're good.

I was just chuckling at Jason saying I love grabbing him the way he's at.

Oh, so this is where children.

Yes, I am a child. The people hate children.

See, every once in a while, I mean, I see when Jerry gets the giggles, it's almost always some something like that inappropriate joke.

I just wanted to make sure I was doing everything right over here. Clearly I was doing fine.

No more throwing to the doosers.

I'm sorry about that. Yeah, it hasn't worked out. All right. Top 10 quarterback rankings, favorite late round picks coming up on tomorrow's show. Wednesday, we got tight end rankings. Thursday, mock draft. A lot coming this week. Again, make sure you click subscribe. Follow the show. We're over on X at theFFballers, Instagram.com/FantasyFootballers.

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As Jason said, do it.

Do it.

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