Transcript of Jodie Foster

I'm Jody Foster, and I feel ambivalent about being Konan's friend. I feel ambivalent.

A major blow to the Solar Flaxis.

You should be flattered, right? Because it's not just a yes or no.

No, I have questions. No, I am not flattered. Let's be very clear, I am not flattered.

I can tell that we are going to be friends.

I can tell that we are going to be friends.

Welcome to, Konan O'Brien Needs a friend, here with my crew, my chums, Sonam of Cessian.

Yeah, hi, Konan.

Konan O'Brien, who is doodling. That's why I've taken the reins.

It's just a mustache wondering where its master is.

But it says, Where's Gil? Yeah, that's That's my dad. It's my dad's mustache. Don't say it's just a random mess. Whatever.

My dad's mustache. That's just the name. It happened to come off my pen. Here we go. Well set. Hey there. Welcome to, Konan O'Brien Needs a friend. I'm coming in. I've been away for quite a while now. I've been on an epic series of journeys across the world. I'm back now. It's so nice to be back and see the friendly faces of Sonam Obsesion. Matt Gourley, how are you guys doing? It's been a while.

It's been over a month.

Yeah, it has been a long time. It's been five weeks since we taped a podcast. I missed you guys. I really did. Everywhere I went, people were talking to me about the pod Again, in different cities, I ran into people who were listening to it as I ran into them. That's cool. It's surreal for them. It's surreal for me, but I think it is upsetting to them because they're probably It's a lot. It's a lot to be walking through Central Park and you're listening to this podcast, and then this giant George Kennedy head comes at you, gets in your face and says, You want a selfie?

When you want a selfie, You don't even know that they're listening to you.

You're just seeing people on earbud and going up to them.

I asked a statue that was on horseback if it wanted a selfie. It's just funny because if 10 people in a row want a selfie, You get into a certain rhythm. Then this happened in London because I had some stuff I had to do there. Ten people in a row were like, Can I have a selfie? Can I have a selfie? Can I have a selfie? Then this one woman said, Hey, I know you. I said, Do you want a selfie? She said, No.

Not in your life.

There's nothing I'd want less. I'd rather die. I'd rather be dead. But anyway, it's very nice to be back, and in the New York groove, even though we're in Los Angeles. Yeah.

Do you have fun? You good? You get Did you get sick?

No, I did not get happy with yourself. Did you get sick?

Like the choices you made? End up where you thought you'd be?

No, I did not get sick. I'm quite content and just happy to be here. Yesterday, because I'm doing the Oscars in March, we shot a bunch of promos for the Oscars, and there's a bunch where you do them for different countries. So I did one Telemundo. I did it in Spanish. You do some to different countries. Then there was one country, I can't remember what country it is, Norway or where it was, but the name of the station was, So Tune in to the Oscars on March 15th and watch it live on... And then you give the name of the station. If it's on Telemundo, you give the different ones. But there was, I think it was some country, I cannot remember it, but I said, Turn into Bistak, and then it said on the copy, V-dial. So I said, Bistak, V-Dial, and There's a dialect coach off camera, and he went, No, no. It's B-stock. And he said, The V is just a V, just a quick V, dial. And I said, V. And he went, No, V. So I tried it, and I said, Bistoc, V, dial. And he said, No, it's V.

I said, V. And he said, No, it's V. And he was getting irritated. And he said, You don't say the V. You just go, V. You think it. You think it. I said, V. And he went, No, it's V. It was back and forth, me going, V, and him going, V. There's like a 600 people around, standing around tech people. I'm going, V. He goes, V. Then he was like, No, if I can hear it, it's wrong, basically. I went, So just be stuck, dial. He stuck dial, and he said, I heard nothing. That's not it. I said, You told me not to say anything. It turned into a full-on… It's a way of life, man. It's a way of life, man. You must live the… I should try and remember what it was because maybe it makes the story better.

But we'll never see that because that'll just air in whatever country this is.

Yeah, I think so. They may not see it there because the country will be so enraged that I did the incorrectly, that they'll have a revolution.

If you did it correctly, they wouldn't see it either, according to this guy's It was amazing.

It was just an incredible experience. I can't believe you're already doing promos. Yes, Eduardo, what do you got? You leaned in like you had something. Maybe that was just wishful thinking. I was just laughing. I've never seen you laugh at anything I said before. It took me by surprise. Your failure made me laugh.

That's my boy. Where's that $5 we passed around for the spider tip?

There you go. There it is. There it is. Wow. Is that what it's called, the spider tip? That's what we'll call it.

Yeah.

Love it. Good fellows. We're always thinking of you. Anyway, I've been very busy, but having a really good time. Good. I binged a lot of shows. What did you bing?

I binged Andor. That's right. Yeah. Andor is perfect.

And you went right into Rogue One, right?

Perfect. I went right into Rogue One, and I had a moment. That's the way to do it. I remember, I watched Rogue One.

Because you could go right into Star Wars.

I know. Then you could go into Star Wars 2, or as the kids call it now, Star Wars 9. Okay, that's- Oh, God. A new beginning. Even I know he's doing it.

But let's not.

This is sacred text, so let's not joke around. Well, come on. The first Star Wars is the one where their first movie they made. That's how I go. I agree.

I don't call it A New Hope either. I call it Star Wars 2.

It's called A New Hope? Yeah.

Can you believe that shit? Episode 4.

Yeah, but that was all later. It was? That was all came later.

Oh, okay. Well, I liked it. I'm not going to devote my life to it. I mean, I get it.

I'm not asking you to. I'm just saying stay open to it.

I'm going to tell you also, I didn't understand a lot of stuff that was going on. I mean, I just When you nod along, when you think you understand, I didn't understand. There was just so many other random characters.

I was like, I don't know what these people are. You don't want to. Once I started renaming everything, I knew it's the first Star Wars, and then it's the Empire Strikes Back, and then The third one, they all have different names now. The third one is now called Star Wars. Oh, come on. That's what they call it in Prague.

I thought it was Norway. I don't know. You can't even remember.

I don't remember, which I did 9,000 promos in different... Hello, Estonia. If you're going to watch the Oscars, make sure to tune in on March 15th on.

This is undoing all of that.

All right. I'm proud of both of you.

What did we do? What did we do? Because I binged, but I also binged a lot of other stuff.

You'd be proud. You'd be proud.

I powerwashed some of the skin off my thumb. No way. Why did you do that? I didn't mean to. I just was using a power washer and it hit my thumb.

You know what? I think you committed a murder and you were trying to get your skin. Yeah, he's getting away. Commit to the bit. So slow. That was so slow. You know what I loved about that? You got to check the video. Matt dashes out of his chair and then very slowly and methodically opens the door. The door's too heavy for her. Closing that took forever. You know what? It would be like if Booth shot Lincoln in Ford's theater, and then rather than leap off the balcony and escape, Booth shot Lincoln and then was like, Pardon me. Excuse me. Pardon me. Just working his way slowly. Pardon me. Pardon me.

Myle of irritants to tyrants.

Yeah.

All right, my guest today is an Academy Award-winning actress who was starting such movies as Taxi Driver and the Silence of the Lambs. Now you can see her in the new movie, A Private Life. I'm honored she's with us today. God. I do love her. Jody Foster. Welcome.

I have a fantasy friendship with you, which A, you're very tall, and B, I'm very small. I have a little image of us walking down the beach together, like hoining out dolphins and things. I've got a little sandwich in my backpack for you and stuff. We have a good little... What was that? It was a Corsion Fetty's Father. It was a show I was on in the '70s, and there was a son and his father, and they're walking down the beach. I have that side. But then there's the reality part, which is, yeah, I don't know. I don't know that it would be good. It might look good. It might look good.

Yeah, but you think the reality might be something darker?

Yeah, I don't know. Too much sand.

Too much sand. It's so funny because I have a very clear memory of the first time I met you, which is I was skiing, and there's this friend of mine who I ran into, and he said, Why don't you ski with me? And he said, I'm skiing with my friend Jody. Didn't say anything else. And I went, All right, whatevs. So I'm skiing and we're zipping along and we get down to where... And I noticed that he said, Oh, My friend Jody's down here by the lift. And I went, All right, let's go check in on Jody, whoever that is. And I can be snarky to her. And we get down there, and I remember you took off your goggles and said, Oh, hi, Jody. I was like, Oh.

That's my happy place, skiing. It's my happy place.

You like it because of the anonymity and also- No, I like the idea of a sport where if you stop being in the present moment, you might die.

You might hit a tree or something. There's something really relaxing about that. Yes. Honestly.

No, I understand what you're saying.

Because you can't think about taxes or you can't think about- That's why I play Russian roulette every night.

It keeps me in the moment. Hell of a record.

Amazing.

Incredible record. He never misses a night. Yeah. Sometimes I put three bullets in. Still, I'm fine. This got real dark, real fast. Russian roulette while skiing, even better. It's so funny because I've since gotten to know you much better, and even though there's a lot of ambivalence on your end. It's interesting to me because I don't think this is discussed as much with you because you've had such an iconic career in film, and it's had so many different levels. But I was a TV kid growing up in the '70s, and my brother Neil made sure that we watched all the Westerns, Bonanzas, and all in the house in the Prairie, Gunsmokes. We also watched Courtship of Eddie's Father. We watched all these shows, and you were a fixture on these shows. It's fascinating because we haven't really ever had a chance to talk about it, but that is a completely different era, a world where you're on the set of Bonanza. These are iconic shows from, as you know them from the '50s and '60s and '70s.

I've heard of them, too.

You've heard of them? They're iconic, but I don't know how good they were. I always say- I never said good. I was on every bad television show in the '70s.

I have a brother, Neil, who watches all these shows. He's got an encyclopedic knowledge of them. If I randomly called him and said, Oh, I saw Jody Foster today, he'd say, She was excellent in season 13 of Bonanza. Hauss's Lament. Yeah, Hauss's Lament. He would say with guest star, and then he had Bernie Copel as the science hit, all these great fixtures. I would say, Okay. He'll often say to me, Did you mention to Jody? I'm like, No.

But here you are.

I know. Now I'm doing it. You did it. I'm doing it. I mean, I thought I'd talk about some of her Oscar-winning roles and stuff. My brother doesn't care about film. He just was only like, So But that is- Yeah, there was something really comforting about that.

It doesn't feel the same way anymore when you lie in your bed with your covers on watching TV the way it did in the old days, when you laid in your bed and then you had the little black and white TV and you had to go to the knob and change the station every time you were dissatisfied. But yeah, all those shows. So Nanny and the Professor and Adam 12 and Perry Mason and the Rockford Files.

Now, have you ever spent any time looking back on those just to see? Because they're almost like home movies for you.

No. There's a couple that are on Instagram that occasionally my friends will say, Hey, look at this, because I don't have social media. It's cute because my mom didn't take pictures of me. I think taking pictures of your kids got expensive at that era. She took pictures of my brothers and sisters, but not of me. The only pictures that I have, really, are these video clips and clips from television shows. Yeah.

You're always wearing a 19th country bonnet.

That's right. Yeah.

And saying, Look out, haas.

I have lots of weird memories that are associated with that. I had to play this wild child who was all dirty, and I was living on my own and surviving in the forest. The Prop man had planted different edible things that you could pull out the roots and you could just eat them, and they would look like you were this savage person. I remember going through the weeds in a scene, I pulled out this thing and I ate a bite of it. It was fennel. I was like, Oh, this is delicious.

Who knew?

Who knew there was such a thing as fennel?

You know what I would have done? I'd have come back and said to the prop guy, Those blackberries are amazing. I didn't plant blackberries. That's who they're doing CPR on me. I would pick the wrong thing. I know I would. It was a fascinating era. I think one of the things that has always been clear to me is that your mom did an extraordinary job. I know it's nature and nurture. A lot of this was who you were. But especially in the early days of late night, in the '90s, when we were doing our show, we do a lot of sketches that would use a kid who would have lines. I remember the kids coming up to me, before the show. We did it at rehearsal, and then it's time for everyone to get in makeup, and the audience is loading in, the band's getting ready, the guests are coming here. These little kids would come up to me and they'd say, Mr. O'brien, you are truly a legendary luminary in the field of... I'd look up the hall and I'd see their parents looking out. It may break my heart, but they had clearly told their kids, You say this, you go up to him, and then he'll have you back.

It's very clear me that your mom did an extraordinary job.

Yeah, I really appreciate her now. I mean, I'm sure I was pretty mad at her in my 30s, like all of us, and then suddenly really started seeing the other side of the story. She really did. I think there was this vicarious thrill for her is that she wanted me to be all the things that she couldn't be, which is she wanted me to be respected. She didn't want me to be objectified. She wanted me to have a long career, not a short one. She didn't want me to play somebody's just sister, mother, daughter. She wanted me to be central character because she grew up in a pre-feminist time where she didn't have any of those opportunities. It worked out for me.

At the time, were you enjoying the experience? Did you like it? You must have loved being in front of the camera, or were you neutral about it, or even ambivalent?

Well, because I don't really remember ever starting, the things I loved was I loved being in a community that felt like a family. Honestly, mostly those were brothers and fathers because there really weren't any women around. I liked being the surrogate daughter to all these guys who taught me how lenses worked, and they taught me how to load the film into the camera, and they would give me marks, and they would say, You have to turn on this line. I love the family of making movies. The actual work of being an actor, I had no interest in. In fact, I just thought it was a dumb job. That got supported because my mother would say, Hey, your career is going to be over when you're 18. So what What are you going to do after that? She wasn't wrong. That's pretty much the way it usually works. Most child actors don't work after they're 18, and so they have to come up with what's their next act. She was preparing me for that. I thought, Well, yeah, because I can't do a job where I just look at a piece of paper, learn the lines, and then say them.

That just seems not very challenging. But when I was 12, I did Taxi Driver with Robert De Niro, and something happened. He took me under his wing and explained improvisation and went through the work with me. I had this eureka moment where I was like, Oh, it's my fault. I have not brought enough to the equation. This is actually the exploration of character is really an amazing thing to do for a living that I love, and I love making films, and maybe this is something that I'd want to do. But it wasn't until then, 12, 13.

Well, also, to be fair to you, there probably wasn't a lot of let's explore your character and work on improv on Nanny and the Professor. Not really. Not to put those shows down because It's high art, but that's probably how kids felt doing little sketches on our show. Konan, when are we going to explore my character? You're not, kid. Say your line and get the hell out of here.

But I like the idea of work, though. I liked going to work, and I liked being on time, and I liked the discipline of all of that, and I liked doing a bunch of takes and having somebody say, No, do this, no, do that, and following them. I still am I love discipline. I like doing the same thing over and over again until I get it right. I have that personality, and I've always had that.

Obviously, when you're doing Taxi Driver at that age, how old were you at the time? Twelve. Twelve. You can't be aware that this is going to become a touchstone film and a real pivot point for 1970s movies. It's going to be so important in so many ways. You can't know that at the time. I wouldn't think you can't.

No, but he was a great director. I had already done Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore with him, so I'd done that movie when I was about nine. He was this extraordinary up and coming director. He'd only directed three movies by the time, three or four movies, maybe by the time he'd done Taxi Driver.

What had he done? He had done...

He did a thing called Boxcar Bertha. He did Mean Street. It's an amazing film.

This is about Martin's Chris, as you were talking about.

Then he did Alice Doesn't Live For Newer Man anymore, and then he did Taxi Driver.

It was through Alice that he knew you and said, I think this kid would be great for this part.

Yes.

I didn't know this, but your sister was a stand-in for you during some of the more sexually suggestive scenes in Taxi Driver, which- They weren't very suggestive.

Strange. They weren't very But yes. They weren't really very suggestive. But yes, because the Board of Education started having issues with the idea of young kids doing more adult roles, they were concerned that somehow playing these characters, that we would be confused about ourselves and who we were. Some of it started with Berkshield's doing Pretty Baby. I think a lot of people had a lot of issues with that. When I was about to do tax driver, the Board of Education came down and said, Okay, we're not going to sign the work permit for this. We had to get a lawyer, and we had to prove that I was competent, I guess. Part of the deal that we made with them was, if there are any sexually suggestive scenes, we'll get somebody else to do it. My mom was like, Look, her sister can come to New York for the summer. She's over 18, and she's about the same size. That's what happened. Although, they weren't very suggestive. I think it was her taking down her shirt to below her shoulders, so that's nothing.

Which they do on Nickelodian now.

That's true. Now, they do that on Nickelodian. Then I think I was supposed to… Like, under his fly, that was about it.

But it also must have been nice to have your sister on set.

Yeah, it was nice. Or complicated. I don't know. No, it was really nice, actually. We were in that business. My brother had been an actor when he was young, and it felt like a family affair thing because everybody had their jobs that they had to do. My mom was a single mom. With four kids, raising four kids, if one of us went and did a TV show, then somebody had to make sure that everybody got off at the bus station and have dinner and all that stuff. Yeah.

As your mom said, well, your career is over at 18. I would say 99% of kid actors say, No, I'm going to keep this going. You decide, I'm going to go to college, an excellent college, and get a superior, really fantastic education. Thank you. That is maybe not a usual move at that time. Maybe it's become more common, but to say, No, I'm going to take four years out of my career and study.

Yeah, that was an unusual move, and I think we all assumed that my career would be over. My mom actually sold her house and moved into a tiny condo and was like, Okay, now we're ready because by the time you're 18 and you're going to go to college, we're going to spend every cent that we have sending you to college, and you'll probably never work again. I did end up doing five movies while I was in college. I worked during the summer, and then I took a semester off, a couple of semesters off. I did do five movies while I was there.

What was your major?

I majored in literature, the literature major, which is lots of theories of literature. The area of focus was African-American literature.

It's so fascinating because I can't make a case that my education had anything to do with my profession, but I wouldn't change it for anything in the world. I studied history and literature of America. I was a very serious student. I wrote a massive thesis and had to argue it in an oral exam and did all the things and then cut to 35 years of tomfoolery. But I was doing a tour somewhere, and I'm on stage, and it's going really well, and I'm also playing guitar, and there's a rock vibe to it, and there's comedy, but also there's some music. Then at one point, this big thing of paper came flopping up on the stage. I didn't know what it was. This is usually the point in the concert when someone throws panties or a bra. But what did you get? If one is a certain performer, not me. I was going to say. I didn't mean me. You get sheeps of paper. No. Men throw their underwear at me, but it's more of a derogatory thing, and they're still wearing it. But they were like, this big thing of paper goes clomp up on stage, and I'm like, I think I have the guitar on.

I lean over and I pick it up and it says, the literary progeny in the works of Flannery O'Connor and William Faulkner. It was my thesis. Someone had gone and found it and photocopied it and threw it up on stage, and I thought, This is what I get? Also, I remembered writing this and having it thrown to me on stage was not part of the dream. But it's so weird. But I also... I can't explain why, but I know that doing all of that thinking and reading has informed me whatever I was going to do. If I was making clay pots now for a living, it would be helping me somehow.

It's whatever you were doing between the ages of 17 and 22. Those years are really formative. Maybe if you were in, I don't know, you went to Rwanda and spent three or four years working in a small town, that would be an extraordinary formative experience. It's just about that formation. For me, obviously, us that have had these great experiences with education, so much of it, yes, is about you learn, but a lot of it is about the connections that you made with people that taught you how to be a good friend. You learned all those hard lessons of people being disappointed in you and then never talking to you again, for example. I don't know. I definitely would not be the person that I am, but I also really feel like I learn to read, not in the real sense of cat and dog, but to how to look deeply into material, to how to look deeply into people, into relationships, into literature, and say, what does this mean and what are the different layers of meaning that are there? I think that comes in handy every single day of my job.

You have had this extraordinary career that any actor would say, yes, if I could have the Jody Foster career, I'll take that right now. These multiple awards, two Oscars. But you have always shown a real interest in directing. I've heard you say that Jody Foster who's directing is more yourself maybe than the different characters you play when you're acting.

Is that fair? Well, yeah, we all have different compartments of things that we do. I was born, basically in my DNA, when I was born, I was born as a head first person. I perceive the world as the head first. I think before I feel. A lot of people are the opposite. A lot of people are stomach first people, instinct first people, or first people. I'm just not one of those. I was a head first person. I've always, in this job, especially a job that's very emotional and physical, I've always been juggling, where is the space? Where is the space for my head? How do these two things work together?

Because so much of directing, too, and I don't understand the job. I'm fascinated by people who can do it. It would terrify me, is planning, thinking, making lists. Someone told me once- Yes, it's admin.

A lot of admin.

But someone told me also a lot of directing is this or this. That's choosing. That's true. Do you want the deringer or do you want the pistol? Deringer.

Some of it is choosing, but a lot of it is how you juggle the difference between intention and freedom. I have lots of plans. As a director, I'm in my hotel room all by myself. I got lots of plans. Then I there and it's raining and the guy I hired to play the priest is drunk.

I'm sorry. The one time you hire me.

But it's that meditation of saying, Okay, now what? So what if? What if the priest was drunk? Or what if we no longer have a priest because I just fired him? You start having to have inspiration and making decisions in the moment where you collaborate with 175 people, whatever the energy is that's on the set. It's not just the actors. It's also all the people that are doing the various jobs bring their expertise, but also maybe even their past, their relationships with their parents. Every time a prop master decides that the character is going to have a shot glass, an Elvis shot glass, it's because they're bringing baggage from their past into it. They're saying like, What is true to this character? I know. I'm going to go for the Elvis shot glass. I love that. I love hearing other voices and then being the person that says, yes, no, yes, no, yes, no.

I think what I can relate to, what you're talking about a lot, both in the early television work and just throughout your career, and even as you talk about your college experience, I like being around a gang of people. I like having that community. I've always said, if someone says they enjoy my comedy, I say 99% of it you don't hear. It's messing around with people in my world and family and friends. I like all the jokes that happened as we're trying to build the thing that people see. That sounds to me like directing is this ultimate experience of a massive group. It's like Robin hood and his merry man, you just get all these people together and say, Let's work together on this thing. A lot of the joy doesn't necessarily show up on the screen. It's part of the process.

Yeah. Well, the big caveat is you are the last word. You can do all the horsing around. People can have all the opinions they want. But at the end of the day, you're the person who has to have the personality to say, I see the big picture. I'm not just in the moment enjoying the yuck-yucks. I see the big picture, and I want the train to leave at 8: 35, and I want it to arrive at 9: 40. You guys have given me all of these different choices along the way. To see the big picture means to be able to see the way through. So much of that is about asking that question, is it true or is it fake? Those are the only question I ask all day. Same thing as an actor, same thing honestly as a human being, as a parent. Is it true or is it fake? Is this how I feel honestly, or is this something that I'm trying to put on and to impress people? Or do I genuinely feel like the scene is funny, or do I think that the audience will think it's funny? So I'm going to do it for them.

I'm always just trying to choose the most instinctual and the most true thing because I don't trust anything else.

I've always thought, if I'm having fun in this moment and it's honest, most people watching it or listening to it will probably agree. That's not always true, but you just have that instinct, and you have to go with it. If you don't have that instinct, you're lost anyway. You should probably not be doing this.

But as you get older, too, the great thing that opens up as you get older is you spent a number of years thinking that your central story was the most interesting thing, because me is very interesting. Especially as a woman, there are things that you want to achieve. I wanted to make films where I was playing these central characters that were in charge of their own lives and that they weren't just adjuncts to the men, that they were fully-fleshed, complicated human beings. But then you reach a certain point where you get older and you're like, Wow, I'm just so bored with myself. I can't stand it. You really start- Haven't hit that yet. I think you You start realizing all the voices you left behind that you weren't listening to. They're all out there and you think, Oh, my God, I can't believe I wasn't listening. I wasn't paying any attention. Then the real joy comes when you start saying, Oh, now that I have wisdom and I'm older, how can I serve your story? You want to tell this story that nobody's ever heard before about a bunch of people that nobody's ever heard how this happened.

How can I use all of this old patriarchy that I have to serve that purpose to support you? That's so much more fun than else, and the pressure's off of you.

Yeah. Well, I look forward to having that moment because right now I am enamored with myself. I've been doing this a long time. I have to bring up many people consider it a perfect movie I know I do, but Silence of the Lambs is just perfect in so many ways. The storytelling, and I think really revolutionary because there are about nine things that I see in Silence of the Lambs that now regularly occur in television movies. Ringing the bell. You think it's to one house, the door opens. It's not that house. When I saw that movie for the first time in a theater, I was just completely spellbound. And obviously, your performance, a massive part of that. And what I'm thinking about is in that moment, this felt very revolutionary because Clarice is put in this very deep water. And there are also scenes where she's in a very male experience. There are all these men in the room examining the body, doing the postmortem, and you need to navigate that. I feel like that is a watershed performance. Oh, thanks. That's defining... But really defining women in a job that's always been depicted as a male job up until that point, obviously, the script has flipped since then, but I don't know if young people realize how at the time, we hadn't I don't remember seeing anything remotely like that.

It's huge. Yeah, that's true. It really tread over stuff that hadn't been thought about before. Mostly, it was just like the hero's journey was reserved for men. It was a new thing to have a woman participate in what was a tragic, has been a myth for centuries. But all of that was in the book because the book was magical. It just was one of those perfect texts. It doesn't happen very in your life. I would say, Silence of Lambs for me and potentially for me, True Detective, might have been the two greatest experiences that I've had working, where you get a piece of material that is, I don't want to say inspired by the gods, but there's something happening in this material where it's just talking about something so true and so mixed up with our own collective unconscious that it's undeniable. Then everybody that comes aboard does the best work of their life effortlessly. It really never happens. When it does happen, you really have to be jumping up for joy because when it happens, it's so easy and so much fun. It was such a fun movie to make. We had Aloha Fridays where everybody wore Hawaiian shirts on Fridays.

There was a lot of... Yeah, it was actually a lot of fun.

On Silence of the Loyal. That's great. Bring your kid to work day. What are we doing? We were throwing people into a pit who've been kidnapped. Shee, mommy. Yeah, that's a fingernail. Oh, wow. Yeah. I also think one of the most... I think it's one of the greatest depictions of what bravery really is, the climax of the movie when you are working your way through the pitch dark.

Last day of shooting.

Was it really? Okay.

It's It was such a bad last day of shooting. We were all so mad. All of us were so mad.

In some scenes, you can see you're wearing a Hawaiian shirt. It's got infrared glasses. You're like, Is that a Hawaiian shirt on Agent Starling? But you are working your way through. What meant a lot to me and still resonates with me about that scene is there are a lot of scenes where the hero, and often the male hero, is traditionally doing the brave thing, and I love Clint Eastwood, don't get me the wrong way, but they're doing the brave thing, and they're doing it in a kick-ass male way. You are terrified.

Shaking.

You are terrified, terrified and pushing forward. And the combination of two, it's completely believable. There's not one millisecond where I don't completely believe that that's what you're doing. You are pushing forward. Someone's life is at risk. This is what you're going to do. But you are terrified every second, and you're making yourself push forward. I think that is one of the best film, cinematic depictions of real bravery I've ever seen because it's often portrayed as, Fire, I'm going to get in there. Get out of my way. That doesn't read to me the same way.

Well, actually, there's a big laugh in the scene where she finally gets to the woman in the Pit, and she says, You're safe. The whole audience just laughs hysterically.

Then you say, I'll be right back?

Yeah, I'll be right back. She curses you out. She does.

Be right back? I don't think I'm ever going to see you again.

Because it's honest, because it was really truthful and there wasn't a bunch of posing about it. That's, I think, a good example of saying, what do you pick in that moment? What choices do you make? Who do you listen to? Well, you don't listen to a list of like, whoa, what did Clint Eastwood do in his movie? I think you You say to yourself, who would I be if this happened? You follow honesty and instinct. Hopefully, that's really the only God that you pray to.

Well, the people I'm always most impressed with are the people that keep challenging themselves, regardless of what they've achieved in the past. You have made this film a private life, which is in French. And your character is speaking fluent French the entire time in the movie I'm not going to take on that challenge, if you don't mind. I'd be there listening to... What's the... Who is it?

Ritz or something.

Duolingo? Duolingo. I'd be on headsets on Duolingo. I'm stunned by this challenge. You have said, I didn't realize that—this was a part of your career I did not know about that you have been really immersing yourself in French culture for a part of your life.

Yeah. I had a French education. At nine years old, my mom dropped me into a French immersion school. At the time, it was the '70s, and she had never traveled anywhere. She took one trip to France, like a bus tour, a touristy bus tour. She went there and she came back and said, Okay, that's it. We're leaving this country. You're going to be a French actor. I'm going to put you in this school. Then if we have to split, that's what's going to happen. She put me in the school. I cried for probably six or seven months because it was horrible. I didn't understand anything. I was doing math and science and history and geography in French. Then finally, I did.

In this film, you're speaking fluent French the entire time. Did it change your acting style that you're speaking in this foreign language? Oh, yeah.

I'm a totally different person in French. First of all, I have a really high voice in French. I don't know why. Really?

Can you give me an example?

Well, a lot of the ladies that I learned French from, they all spoke a little bit like this. I guess I imitated them when I was a kid. I have quite a confident way about me in English. In French, I'm just a total vulnerable person, very unsure of myself. I wouldn't A little bit screachy, but definitely a little bit higher voice. Yeah, I have a totally different personality. I have the personality of somebody who's eternally frustrated that they can't communicate themselves well enough.

I swear to God, if I do speak some Spanish and I like to break it out every now and then. Oh, nice. I was using it. I try and use it as much as I can in Los Angeles, where there's a lot of opportunities to do it. It doesn't always go very well, but I like to try.

Your voice gets a lot lower.

Mine gets a lot lower, and I sprout a little mustache, a little Telemundo mustache. But I know that there's a rhythm to these languages, and you start to behave a little differently. I would imagine I If I spoke French, I could see myself becoming more existential and maybe a little more dismissive. You should try it. I could just learn French. I know, but I might start smoking.

Yes, and drinking red wine.

That's what happened to me. Drinking Red Wine at 11: 00 in the morning and just being never saying yes. That sounds like a good idea. Just being, I don't know. I don't know. But I do think that different languages- That's true.

I'm playing an expatriate in the movie, so there's something about that. People that leave everything behind and they say, My whole identity, everything that I am, my past, my family, everything about me that I've always considered as me. I'm going to leave that behind. I'm going to break out and be a brand new person. In some way, very often, expatriates choose some fantasy version of what it would be like to be a French person. Suddenly, they're wearing a beret and their house is right on one of those lovely parks, and they start telling you they're on vacation and that they can't do things. But I thought that was interesting, an interesting thing to explore. Who wants to erase their past and become this new fantasy? And what happens when you do that? How do your relationships suffer? I think the irony is, and the film does have a lot of comedy to it, the irony is that this psychoanalyst, very Freudian psychoanalyst, which we make a lot of fun of her because of that, goes on this murder investigation thinking that her patient's been killed, potentially. Then very quickly realizes, Oh, no, she's just investigating herself.

She goes on through hypnosis and a number of things. It starts realizing that maybe she's not a great mom and that there's parts of her relationship with her ex that she still has questions about. It's more of a self-discovery movie than it is a murder mystery.

What's the longest time you've ever spent living in France or a foreign country? Because that's a little bit of a... It's a common dream, but I've always thought I would like to live in Paris for a year or London for a year or Dublin for a year and just immerse myself in being someone slightly different. You get to be a different person when you're in another country.

Well, you get to do that when you're on location as an actor, because when you're on location as an actor, you're usually there for three and a half months. If you're a director, you're there for at least six months. If you're doing a limited series like True Detective, I was there for seven months, but the director was there for a year and a half in Iceland, Reykjavik, Iceland. So Yeah, you get to become this brand new person that's obsessed with something. If you're making a show or making a movie, you're just obsessed 24/7 with this one thing. It's every bit of energy that you have is put into this one thing.

That's how I like to live. I do these travel shows, and I get to go someplace for usually about 10 days. But even given 10 days, I try to forget. It's really nice because sometimes you're in countries where they don't know who you are, they don't care, and you get to be someone else. I love to just... When you're in the van and you're going to the next location and you're driving through Manila or you're driving through Mumbai, looking in little side streets and wondering, Okay, what is that person's life like? Or what does it like to live in that apartment or that house right there? I find, I say this a lot, I think it's the best antidote to ignorance is to go to other places, talk to other people, see how they live. It's this great loofah because we all get desensitized, travel as much as you can. It doesn't have to be an expensive travel or an eight travel, but just go someplace and try to take in what it's like to not be you.

Yeah. It doesn't mean that you ever really come to this conclusion where you totally understand that culture. You never It will, right? You'll always be bringing baggage from your own background and your own culture. But that's part of it is growing and learning and evolving and changing. That's what I do when I'm not shooting is, well, first of all, I go home and I walk the dog every single day at the same time, and I eat the same thing for breakfast. I love my routine, and then I start getting a little itchy. Then that's the thing that I like to do. I like to travel.

The same thing every morning?

Yeah, I'm one of those.

Is it anything crazy or is it pretty simple?

No, it's really simple. What's your breakfast? I'm granola. I'm a granola person. I get you. I know. That has some bad references.

I like to party.

I know what you're saying. I get you.

Yeah. Let's talk. You're saying it like, I like cocaine, too.

I got a granola guy if you want to meet him.

You got any granola with you right now? It's crazy. My wife Liza makes granola. It's the greatest granola in the world. The smell just fills the house. I'm thinking, Oh, wow. That That should be a cologne. Where if that is a cologne?

Well, that might be your next sponsorship. Yeah. Cone and granola. There's a ring to it.

Cone and granola. Cone and granola? Right after we sell the pomade, the cone and pomade, we're going to do that because that's going to be a real money maker. Konanola.

What? Conenola.

Are you okay? I messed it up. I don't think so.

I was trying to combine granola with Conen. I don't think so.

I was trying to combine granola with Conen. Hey, there are no mistakes. Own it. What?

I should own it. There are no mistakes. Okay.

I was trying to combine Konan with granola, and It didn't go well, so I'm sorry. Konanola.

Never call out a mistake. Okay. All right. Konanola. Yeah. I said I killed it. I killed it. That's what show business is. Yeah, that's right. The biggest mistake all those years of doing a late night show that I ever saw was a guest would come out. It's going okay. Then the guests would inevitably, maybe three minutes in or four minutes, if they hadn't been to the rodeo before, they would say, I'm sorry, this is just terrible. The whole audience would say, I could see them, they would completely lose the audience because the audience would say, We've just been told this isn't good. I would think to myself, Don't ever tell them this isn't good.

But Konanola was bad.

Terrible. Yeah, it was bad. Absolutely terrible.

I'm glad it was the only You're the one thing you chimed in with.

I was saving it.

When you brought up granola, I was like, This is my moment.

This is my back pocket.

You've been honing that all night. If she brings up granola, I'm going to say, Croninola.

But now we wouldn't be here at this moment without it.

So you're a genius. Jody, you have, and it's such a part of your personality, especially when the times I've gotten to know you, but your sense of humor. You have a great sense of humor. And one of the things that I remember because I think sometimes when someone has success on a certain level in these important areas in film and you think, Oh, well, it's Jodie Foster. I remember the first time you came on the late night show, I was thinking, Oh, okay, I don't know how this is going to be. I've got to be ready because Jodie Foster is coming. She's very important. Then you said midway through the interview that you wanted to wear a Wisconsin cheese head.

Yes, that's my team.

On your head because you're- Yes, that is your team. I'm a big Pacris fan. Yeah, big Pacers fan. You brought a big block of cheese that fits on your head, and I think I wore one, too. I left the beer cozy at home. Yeah, but I remember thinking like, oh, and it's just, I mean, it is like, oh, my God, there's Laurence Olivier. Oh, he's got a fart cushion with him. It made me really happy.

Thank you. I'm a really light person, honestly. People say, Wow, you're so serious. I'm like, Why they ask me those serious questions? Of course, I'm going to respond seriously. But no, I'm a very light person. Strangely, I just love drama. I love doing dark drama, but there's not a moment of darkness. Really, what you see is that's it. There's nothing more.

All right. Well, it has been an absolute thrill talking to you. I've not seen a private life yet, but I'm thrilled to see it.

I watched the trailer It looks so good.

I'm so excited to see this. It harkens back to another time, a Woody Allen movie of the old days that you could have something that has many different genres. It's like a comedy, but it's a romantic thing, but it's also a thriller and a mystery.

Probably you also felt a little bit of freedom that if you're making a film like this, and it's in French, that there's this freedom almost to switch genres a little more and not be pigeonholed.

Yeah. Even like, Well, so what? I mean, I just want to do something hard. I like doing hard things. If it's no good, then too bad.

Say, Lovey. Yeah. I'll just go home and polish all my awards. You didn't like it, did you? Oh, Is that an Oscar? Well, it's my second one. Okay, well, don't you feel crushed? Not really. Well, Jody, I hope we've edged you a little bit out of ambivalence, but that's going to maybe take a while. Thank you so much. This was a real joy.

Yeah, me too. Really fun.

Okay, America has been holding its breath. I say America, the world. We are a global concern. Recently, I believe it was Netflix announced that they were coming out with a new star search. To promote it, they were talking about all the great stars that were discovered on Star Search. All these impressive names went flying around the screen, and my name was there. This puzzled us because I really have no connection to Star Search. I didn't start out on Star Search. As Sona pointed out, I have no real talent.

I just wasn't sure what your talent would be. I don't think you know either. You don't know either.

It's fine. You don't know either. Ventriloquist. But anyway, that's what I would have tried. Respect. One start. This was a puzzle, and we brought in our crack legal expert who works here at Team Coco, David Melmed. This is now part three because the The story keeps evolving. Now, David, welcome.

Thank you for having me here today.

Okay. Appreciate it. Yeah. All right. Okay. Well, all right.

God, he's good. Incredibly formal. Incredibly formal. Yeah.

You know what? I love your jazz station. It's cool jazz.

I've been working on that voice.

David, we brought you in to ask you some questions. You've been very helpful. All of us were first wondering why they might have been using my name, promoting Star Search, and inferring that I was someone who came up through Star Search when I did not. Yes. Sona was very angry on my behalf and said she wanted to cut a bitch. Cut a bitch. Cut a bitch. Yeah. I was not angry. I was interested in both being paid, but I I don't want it taken down, which you said was a very complicated legal maneuver. I wanted to insist because I love my name being out there. All this to say, things have evolved. What's the latest, David Melmed?

The latest is your name has been taken down. Okay. That's not what I wanted. I know. I apologize for that, but it has been.

Is this because you took some action?

I'd like to think that I was part of it, but I think it was a collaborative discussion.

They heard the podcast.

They did. We yield some power. You did yield.

So they heard the podcast.

They did.

You didn't make a call.

I did not.

Oh. I did not. You were saying, Well, I'd like to take some credit. You didn't do anything.

Well, I was on the podcast. You did nothing. I was on the podcast.

Like most lawyers, you did nothing, and then you're getting paid.

I sat here to discuss the possibilities.

His presence is everything.

Yeah, sure.

But no, I think it was the group discussion, I think, went out. Immediately, I wouldn't say immediately, I would say in the next 24 hours, the name was taken down.

That is fast.

Were you told why? Is there a reason?

I looked into it, and I don't want to say that this is exactly what happened, but I have a pretty good idea how it happened.

Well, this is why we brought you in, and the only reason we brought you in. Let's hear what you have to say.

I think it's a two part. The first, I think there was a human error. The second part, which I think is more interesting, is it was an AI hallucination.

Oh, that's fascinating. Yes. Tell us how this happened. You know what? As always, David Melmed walked in with a lot of notes, and it's a printout, and then it's just covered in highlights. It looked like you just took the MCAT. Highlights and squiggles and notes. Tell us what happened.

Is it the LSAT for lawyers?

I changed them over to a doctor, MCAT. Oh, okay. Yeah, he already took the LSAT, clearly. But I wanted to take the MCAT. Anyway, but- I didn't get it. Good call. Okay. Good worthwhile interruption. Man, are we the podcast that never has a hitch? Go ahead, David. Dr. David.

So Okay, let's get into the... I can't tell you exactly how the human error, but I would imagine that someone within the marketing team at Netflix was asked to research this, right? It's a reboot. It's a ton of celebrities. When you hear Star Search, have been on the show, right? Yeah.

Beyoncé, Adam Sandler.

Chapelle, Brittany. I mean, the list goes on and on.

It's an impressive list of huge stars. If you were to run a- Buddy Ebsen. Go ahead, continue.

Buddy Ebsen, yes. Brad Garrett was one. I think if you were to If you were to run a search in just a basic, I'm just going to use ChatGPT, for example, right? Everyone knows that, or Gemini. What is Konan's connection to the show? We've said none. But your connection to Star Search in terms of a search, and I did look up some past connection that you may have had with the show, at least in print. I just want to read you something that- If you could end this sentence, I'd be thrilled.

This is a lie. This plane has been circling the airport for a while. Am I building this up? I'm worried you're running low on fuel. I am. You know what? There's a fog coming in off the Pacific.

This is our third installment of this segment.

We have about eight minutes to get through this.

Oh, we will. Don't worry.

Don't you worry. As soon as he's done talking, we'll be more confused than ever.

So 1993, you took over late night. There was an article that was written that said, suggested O'Brien had probably had less quality experience than an average star search contest. Right. Okay.

Hey, first of all, that's the tenor of the environment I was working in. At the time, I was proud my dad got an article published. But yeah, I came out of nowhere and people were freaked out.

That was my hesitation to say that because I didn't know how you would take it.

That's okay. Listen, I can slam before I'll be slammed again. Okay.

Andy, your former sidekick, did a remote as a judge in 1994 on Star Search. So that would be a possible connection there. You've also had Ed McMahon on your show multiple times. So there's that connection. And then the Netflix is just current. You mentioned the Mark Twain Award. So if you were just to on a basic and celebrities, possibly including Conan O'Brien, the AI would generate your name on a list, right? So where that runs into issue is the verification. And it's become It's become a problem. It's become a problem within marketing, within companies like a Netflix.

You need someone to double-check ChatGPT, right? Yeah. You need someone to double-check because AI... Here's the thing. I am connected to many things because I've interviewed hundreds of thousands of people. That's insane. That's not true. But a lot. I've interviewed a lot of people, and there are all these different connections and the different bits I've done and the parodies. So, yes, ChatGPT TV is going to be throwing my name into lists of serial killers, recipes, various weather conditions. I'm going to be showing up in a lot of places I shouldn't show up.

Yes. I think what's interesting, too, if we narrow this just to comedy, AI can't differentiate between what's satire and what is true. I see. Ai is not... There's no fact-finding mission within AI. It just reads patterns.

I thought this was going to be more fun than you him explaining AI.

No, but I think- You thought him explaining AI was going to be fun?

I didn't know that it was going to go this deep. Oh, yeah. We're also at our time limit.

Also, you're not interjecting at all. You're just listening to him.

In my defense, I fell soundly asleep. I know. I'm so sorry. I didn't mean you should interrupt you. I got to the deepest level of sleep. Yes. I think the point- A level of sleep that is very restorative.

I read in an article about this that the Backstreet Boys were also included, and they were never on Star Search either. It's like a double mistake that no one's verifying.

What I want to know is, has Netflix answered for this? Yeah.

Have they issued an apology?

They have not.

Also, can I just be careful here? Yes. I'm okay. If people want to list me as one of the greats that came up through Star Search along with Beyoncé and Adam Sandler and Dave Chappelle. Fine, go for it. I was not assaulted. You were the one that was assaulted. I was upset. Now my name has been ripped from this promotion. It has.

I think I've figured it out while you guys were discussing.

Oh, wait. We brought in... I'm sorry. We brought in Melmed. Yes. We brought in Melmed, in his act, who brought in a ton of notes. Yes. Well, thanks to- Then Blithered and Blathered, and Then you quietly have the answer. Because thanks to Melmed's suggestion. Nice saving. I decided to Google, again, just Conan O'Brien and Star City. You did in a second what he's been spending. He's been in a library for six weeks.

But you also did That's the thing he said was erroneous in the first place. It's a blip. Could you put this on the screen?

I found this article from June. If you look at the date, June fifth, 2023, and it was by this website or this publication, and it lists 39 stars. And, Konan, you are, along with some of those others that we saw on that screenshot. You are listed here. I'm going to find. That's crazy. This has to be the source. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. This is an article from- From 2023. But it says it's in the Saturday Evening Post. That's a magazine that went out of business when we won World War II. The last person read the last Saturday Evening Post. My guess is that whoever at Netflix was in charge of putting this list together found this article and did not do any further research.

Are the Backstreet Boys listed in this? Sharon Stone?

Yes, they are.

Backstreet Boys are listed.

Oh, wait, it says crazy. I think Aguardo- Charles Manson? That's insane.

That is insane. I think what- Yes. Also, just to elaborate, I'm going to What do we say, piggyback on that? I think that is what AI would take an article like this in addition to what has already been existing, and it would spit out your name.

Ai is reading the Saturday Evening Post. It's a post.

No, I don't think it's reading. It's that someone has entered this data into the platform. I guess the point is the verification is the important part. I know you're falling asleep, Konan, but I will say- I'm not. I'm not.

But you know what? I got to give you- I just woke up because I have a dentist appointment. Okay, I'm sorry.

I think the important thing is damages. Netflix owes money for an explanation.

All of us an apology.

Yes, they do.

I don't see how you guys come into it. I don't see how you guys come into it.

We're part of your lore now.

No, no. Please, no damages for you.

We're part of it. You mentioned legacy, though. You mentioned legacy and the idea of there's a legal claim of false light, where it's highly offensive your professional legacy, where you came from, where you started, right?

Am I right? I knew you hate when I use this word, but I'm going to use it again. I'm using it a lot lately. They're getting some Riz off of my name, right?

Yes.

I don't think you used it right. Suddenly, they're like Ansel Elgort because they use my name. Yes. Is that A, a person, and B, did I use Riz correctly? It is a person.

I don't think you used it correctly because Netflix is a streaming service, so Why would the streaming... I guess maybe, I don't know.

They wanted to sex up.

I just want you to stop saying the word.

They wanted to sex up this.

You think you sexed it up?

Yeah, I gave them Riz. You think you did?

You made this rated G.

Yeah. Okay.

You brought it down for something, flyover state.

Listen, I think for the first time, this is what's valuable of this conversation, and I'm desperate to figure this out because I want it to be valuable. I think for the first time, someone finally has pointed out that AI might be problematic. Oh, yes.

That's what I was trying to articulate. I know I'm going to get comments. You don't know this. I'm speaking generally.

Are you reading the comments you get? Yes. Don't. You should stop reading them.

Never read your... I said, Comments may. Yes, I read every... Are you kidding me? Wait a minute. Melman, this is the... Oh, absolutely.

Melman, so when you're on our podcast, you read the comments?

If I don't read them, they are sent to me.

I bet people are loving you, though, right?

Well, if I don't read them, they're sent to me anyway. Usually, Oh, did you see this? Did you see this? Did Which is the negative ones?

Hey, can I have a question? Yes. Do you bill me for your time when you're reading your comments?

Of course I do a comment.

Because I got a bill from you the other day for $600,000. Yes. And it said comment reading.

And that was a discount. That was a friends and family.

So don't read the comments. You get objectified because of how he objectifies you?

I'm not going to tell you exactly what these comments are. Yes, look what you did.

I pointed out that he's a good-looking fellow.

You objectified him, and now the comments think it's okay to do that.

Now we live in an era where one guy can't say to a male employee, You're a good-looking guy, sexy. I want to do you. I'll do you like a ham sandwich? No.

What?

I just made it up. I'll do you like a ham sandwich? It's a joke I read in a 1945 version of edition of the Sun-Amy Post. Listen, we're going to wrap this up. But Melmed, thank you for the deepest sleep I've had in a while. Yes. Restorative sleep. Yes, absolutely. Really cells dividing. Cells that usually don't regenerate. Nerve cells regenerating in my body right now because you droned on. But I also thank you for your expertise for putting the time in. I want to thank you, Eduardo, for within seconds Second. Of this guy consulting shelves full of old English legal volumes. And the Saturday Post. You just checked out the internet and it said, I think it's this article. You went, Excuse me. Might be this one. You in the corner, you opened a book that's as large as an adult heavy man, and you blew onto it. Dustin Motz flew everywhere.

That's true. You know what he did, though? You verified. That's the genius. I mean, that's what they needed to do, right?

Trust but verify. Yeah, verify. Reagan.

This has been gotten to the bottom of, but I don't think satisfaction is here. Netflix, you owe an apology.

Yeah, fucking bitches.

Cut that bitch.

Yes. Cut that bitch. We're coming to your office. We're going to start cutting some bitches. Netflix, you've been warned, bitch.

Netflix. I just want to point out, I don't take part in this feud.

This guy wants to pleasure a bitch. I know.

I think you are a very comely bitch. I like the turn of your ankle. I like the way the sun glistens off your brow. I want no trouble from you. You, king of all streamers, you? And rightly so. Rightly so, Netflix.

I'm going to sell out. No, we want an apology.

We want some money. We'll send on my thought. We want some money. Love you, Netflix. Bye.

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