Transcript of E549 Koe Wetzel

I have some new tour dates to let you know about. I'll be in East Lansing. I'll be in Toledo, Ohio, Rama, Ontario in the Canada, Pittsburgh, PA, Eugene, Oregon, Kennewick, Washington, Seattle, Washington, Victoria, BC in the Canada, College Station, Texas, Belton, Texas, San Antonio, Durant, Amarillo, Oxford, Mississippi, haddy, haddy, haddy, Fayetteville, Arkansas, Tuscaloosa, Alabama, rural lad, and Tallahassee, Florida, Rosemont, Illinois, Winnipeg, and Calgary in the Canada. Get all your tickets at theovaughn.com/tour. Thank you so much for your support, and thank you to the fella in Montana that give me this jacket.

Got some Indian artifacts on the back, And just wanna say thank you. I really like this jacket. We've also got some new merch, some new gang gang tees, in pepper and ivory. And we've got a new gang gang hat that giggity. Check those out and more at theobonstore.com.

Happy holidays to everyone. Today's guest has never been afraid to speak his mind. He has been a a staple in country music and in Texas lore for many years. He's having a great year right now with his new album 9 Lives. It's country.

It's rock. It's grunge. It's him. He's got a new Christmas EP, Wetzel's Wonderland chapter 2 out now. And I'm just grateful to spend time today and to catch up with him.

Today's guest is mister Coe Wetzel. I shouldn't be allowed to fucking be alive. You ever feel like that? You ever feel like that really, dude? I mean, I should not be allowed to be alive, dude.

I just Come

1 of those days?

Yeah. You ever just burned so many bridges down, you can't even take a step. You burn it's not even bridges. You burn down just regular flooring.

Yeah. Sealing, everything, carpet. Yeah. Regular.

I mean, I'll just turn a rag. Just everything's a chimney when I come right someday when I'm like that.

You want those beers by that or honey or anything? Oh. We

can have whatever you want.

Yeah. I'll, if you don't mind a couple of those, bro.

Yeah. I'm just damn it's just, you know yeah. Everything's fine. It just went at you know, if I get in a, you know

You think it's it's kinda like with the holidays and shit coming up too? Or

It doesn't help.

Yeah. No. For sure.

And there's a lot of little things to do and suddenly a lot of just feeling like a blow of responsibilities and then

Everything kinda adds up.

Yeah. And then if I yeah. And I start turning I'll just turn into just, you know, I get too focused on what I need to get done. Mhmm. Sometimes I just gotta hit a a meeting or something or fucking drink a damn 8 ball, dude.

Man. For

I'll if dude, I'm glad they didn't come down with 8 ball though, beverage or whatever.

They did this Celsius.

Oh my god. That could be true.

I'd have been on them bitches, man. Co wet. So, man, congrats on the new album, dude.

I appreciate it. Wow. She kinda popped off,

Yeah. Well, you've been working so hard.

For sure.

People don't think people think about that.

Yeah. Everybody, still was the overnight success shit, and, I don't know. They don't see the the 10 years, 10 plus years, you know. We've been grinding out for a while, so it's good.

And all the place you've played every place they would allow someone to play, really.

For for real, though, man. Like, we would I mean, you'll play I've seen yeah. Yeah. Trailers, on the back of, like, semis, behind chicken wire. Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, I've seen places where, like, tomorrow, this place is getting fumigated. Right? Where they'll already be setting up the tent around it with the bugs spraying it. There was And it's like,

but tonight, go west, baby.

It was with big lights. Right? Yeah. We had dude, there's this 1 run that we had. It was it was probably the 3rd year, it's about 2013, 14, and it was like we were playing VFW's and, like, firehouses and stuff.

Well, there's, like, 3 3 places that we played, and within 2 months, I don't know if it was tax reasons reasons or what, but all of them fucking burned down. So it was like a thing, like, Colette's coming to town, get your extinguishers ready, man. He's about to burn his fist out literally.

Dude, it was almost like that white snake memorial tour on it.

Yeah. That's how it was, man. And it was it was kind of joke around East Texas, but it was legit. It was always a VFW or a little cash grab or something. It's kind of a sketchy place, you know, and then you get in there and and it's like, did you hear that place burned down last night?

I was like, what?

They're like, what do you we just left. Yeah.

Like, I think we still have some drums in there.

Bro, you can smell the kerosene as you're pulling off down the road.

Yes. They're just in the bags pulling wires and shit. I was electrical fired.

Oh, bro. Oh, yeah. Not like a good scam, dude.

I'm telling you. Not like a good Get you out of a pen. So you're talking about, yeah, getting your day back to brighter man. Get a little get a little government money, man.

Oh, we had a dude who had bought a bunch of, he made a bunch of 4th July t shirts. Right? Okay. And they didn't get in until they basically got in, like, on the night before. They supposed to come in, like, 2 weeks early, and it was a business plan this guy had.

And, he so on 4th July, he's like, I got I have basically 8 or 9 hours to pedal these bitches.

You know? So he got

he was out there on a with a bike with a little wagon. He was pulling like a supposed to have a child in it or something, but it was just full of these 4th July shirts. And he was out there just just slanging in bitches and he only got rid of about maybe 17 of us. So he had about maybe 420 shirts left or whatever.

What do you do with them?

He said he here's what he did. He said he set

them on fire. Right? But

he did it he did it near a fireworks display, and he said that some of the fireworks had landed in him.

I hey, man. That's, got respect to hustle. That was great. That's awesome.

It's a great idea, man.

He he's got a lot I bet he has a lot of lot of great ideas. I mean, maybe if he is he still around?

We should hit him

up, bro.

He's an idea, man. I would say that.

Yeah. Absolutely.

He's an idea, man. Yeah, man. You're playing some different venues now. So that's kind that's kinda changed, Has it?

Yeah. I mean, we've been doing, like, arenas for, like, the last 2 or 3 years, but it's just kind of a to a bigger scale, I guess. I mean, the definitely got newer fans. With this record, we kind of tapped into the the mainstream kind of side of it, I guess. You know, we've always been, independent.

And, I mean, I guess, you know, coming out of Texas and you get toward Texas year round, you know, and and make a damn good living. And it's pretty much we've what we've been doing, but, you know, over the last probably 5 years, you know, we've got out of Texas and got to play these these crazy arenas and stuff. Crazy. Look at that. Yeah, man.

It's it's been a while. I mean, we've been blessed. Fans have just come out of the woodworks, man. And it's cool to to have people, you know, fuck with fuck with music, man. Fuck with what you what you tell them, man.

And, I don't know. It's been wild. It's it's kind of we've been so busy. I've had time, like, step back and actually look at it, you know, and and kinda see where we're at, but it's it's wild, man.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, I think there's a lot of that energy out of Texas where it's just like that, you know, we'll figure it out. And Texas really supports their own a lot.

Yeah.

For sure.

You know? It's the same with guys like Parker over the years and, I mean, Texas has their own thing. They always have. Yeah. You know, they support their own.

Yeah. Very, very proud people, man. And, you know, it's just such a a cult following, you know, and and we've been blessed to have those cult fan base that that fan base for so long. You know? And,

is there, like, co beef between, like, people, you know, like, new fans and old fans, do you feel like?

Maybe maybe a little bit. But, I mean, like I said, they're so passionate, and they're so they're so, like, co fans that, you know, I think they've they've, respond I was kinda curious as to how they're gonna take this new music that we put out. I mean, they they came on with it. I think they dug it just, you know, because we haven't really veered off from the shit we've been doing our whole, you know, whole career. So Yeah.

Do you feel weird? Do you feel like is there a part

of you that feels like because I get, like, if I have to do something that feels kinda mainstream y to me sometimes, it it makes me fucking angry.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't man, I'm not really. Just because because like I said earlier, you know, I'm still doing the same shit. It's just more, I guess, on a bigger scale, kind of more, I don't know, kind of expected.

You know what I mean? Like, to to do all these interviews and, you know, just kind of get your story out there. So, I mean, it used to be, you know, get fucked up, go play music, and that was it. You know, write music, throw down, party with everybody, and now it's kinda alright. Let's take a step back and calm everything down a little bit.

You know?

Yeah. Oh, yeah, dude. Yeah. Your TikToks, you guys would be just fucked up out there eating dandelions

and shit

or just they're just adopting animals. I mean, you guys are doing a lot for the for nature and everything out there.

Everything, man.

Do you have to slow it down a little bit? Have you had to a little?

This tour, we definitely did. Head up so last year's tour was the El Paso tour, and it was balls to the wall. Like, it was it was insane, bro. Like, it was too much, honestly. I'm surprised somebody died.

We didn't and but we had a couple of folks go to jail. But other than that, I mean, it was just chaos the whole time. And then this year with the damn new normal tour, they kind of, like, caged me a little bit. Like, so after every show, it was direct to the bus and then cop escort out. Like, they wouldn't let me go out and party and stuff, which was great.

I mean, the tour was great and stuff, but I felt like they were trying to settle me down a little bit. Because, I mean, like I said, it's just kind of on a a bigger scale than than anybody kinda expected it to be.

Yeah. You got more responsibility

the next

day. You gotta actually be there.

And, you know, I felt a whole lot better this tour, and the shows were were better in my opinion. And, but yeah. I mean, I guess it's gotta grow up sometime, man.

It sucks,

It sucks, man. It sucks getting old.

It sucks having to grow up.

Grow up. Yeah.

And it's not even getting old. Oh, you can stay young and just be a old dude and, like, damn, that old dude is, a shouldn't be. It's like

a FOMO though. Like the fear, like, you know, like, whenever it's just like, you you reminisce on all the good times. Like, damn, man. It'd be fun to do tonight. You know?

We should do this tonight.

Oh, yeah. It's nothing. Oh, dude. Going to bed early and lay in there and just feeling like just even God knows you're a little bitch. Yeah.

That's the saddest part, dude. Getting in a bed early.

You're like, oh, I'm gonna do it. And then you kinda get ready and be like, oh, you start start to feel a little bit bad. You're like, oh, you know what? And you wake up next morning. I have to feel like whenever you wake up next morning, you're like, no.

Good on you.

Yeah. Fuck you, man. Oh, yeah. That's a

Yeah. That's like as you see, you got a little little oomph in your chest, like, hey, man.

Yeah. A natural oomph and not just where your heart just burned out from running over time. Dude, I remember when I first met you, I was like because I was like, I don't know if I just, like, gotten, like, re sober or something at the time. Re sober is a good name.

Re sober. Yeah. That's pretty cool.

I never heard that word. I never said that word before.

Re sober. Re sober.

But I never got and I I remember I let you know. I was like, okay. I gotta be careful around that guy because remember that time. That guy Was that,

whiskey jam. Right? Was it whiskey jam? Remember. And winner or losers?

It might have been with Todd, with Todd with, Todd Graves. Yeah. That could've been the Super Bowl memories at that,

Oh, god. Yeah.

In that suite or something?

I was sober for 3 weeks going up there, and then, bro, we're sitting in the suite with Todd, and, like, me and Dre have been sober or whatever. And we're, like, if we can make it through Super Bowl weekend, dude, we're, you know, we're we're killing it. And I'm sitting there, and Cersei from Lord of the fucking ring or not Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones walks in. I'm like, was that Cersei? And they're like, yeah.

That that's 1 of the Jonas Brothers too. I was like, holy shit. You know? And so

Yeah. You gotta play that game.

You drank

every time you see a Jonas Brother.

I was like, yeah. I was like, vodka soda, please? Like and, dude, we got I mean, it was like 11 in the morning. And, you know, you got all these actors and musicians and Yeah.

They had a lot.

Walks in from LSU.

He's like, hey. What's what's going on, coach? You doing alright? You doing alright, bro?

I'm like, yeah. I'm good, man. Like, what do you think about your board? Oh, he got he got a soda. He's got a soda.

Yeah. That's when Burrow was playing the Super Bowl. I

was like, this this dude is fucking awesome, you know. And This dude

has been eating 8 balls, dude,

outside of life. He just and just rolling around, man. Just having a great time. And so, man, we hammered them all day. We get to the game, and, I mean, it's just like that red carpet.

People were showing up, coming in. Like, dude, I can't handle this shit. This is too much.

You know? Yeah. Everybody's in there. Petey Pablo, I think, was in there.

Dude, Jack Harlow, French Montana. Like, I mean, it was just 1 after the other. And, you you know, me being from small east Texas, I was like, what the fuck?

Oh, yeah.

That was wild.

That was crazy.

There was a lot of fancy folks in there

too, dude.

I wanted to fucking rob some of those fucking queers or whatever. And I don't you can't say queers, but said over to me, didn't say it. Man. But, yeah, dude. Oh, I and I just yeah.

I was like because I was just trying to I was just getting back on the grill or whatever, and I was like, I gotta

fucking Well, I think I think, 1 of the times I met you, it was at Whiskey jam, I think. And we were sitting there each other and we like, yeah. We're fans fan of each other, whatever. And I remember you were like, well, there's a step right above me to what Muscadine bloodline was playing. He was like, you try you're trying to go up?

And I was like I was like, yeah. Now let's go. And I was like, you'll go to the bathroom right here. You were like, wait. What?

I was like and I had I had a little in my pocket. I was like Oh, yeah. Trying to go he was like you were like, no. The step to watch. I was like, shit.

And I didn't know you were sober.

I remember that. Yeah. I was kinda perched up in the back. Like, you know,

you're trying to get up.

Yeah. Hell, yeah. Let's go right now. You're like, no. Damn, brother.

Well, look. I appreciate the a I do appreciate the support. Yeah.

Hey, man. I was

my bad. That was that was on me. Oh, no.

Dude, I want somebody to fucking wanna get me fucked up, dude. I want somebody to just hold me down and just fucking just damn funnel just yay into my brain. I mean, I see what I'm saying. But those are, you know, that's Christmas wishing, you know.

I know.

Let me talk about your new album. So the new album's 9 lives.

Yeah.

Right. Mhmm. And if you when have you burned a couple of your lives? Like, was there a night or 2 over the time? Because I'm trying to think we had let me think of a good night that happened to me 1 time.

Oh, dude. A guy overdosed or whatever 1 time, and people are doing CPR on him. I'm like, he doesn't need fucking CPR.

Was anybody could they even do CPR?

I mean, they were just trying to

shine you like

his chest was already doing its own CPR. I'm like, that dude is just geeked out of his go word, bro.

You hit him with that fucking man.

That's Narcan y'all Johnson. You need

body hit him with the EpiPen.

Yes. We know our hand. Yes. Somebody hit him with an EpiPen like hit a bee sting or something like this dude got stung by 8 ball.

This dude got stung. He's got

a reaction for sure. This dude

got stung by a warm gram, and they're trying to put down Pepto Bismol in

them. People are fucking unbelievable.

I mean, people start freaking out like that. It she gets hairy and and especially if you tore up like that, you don't know what the fuck's gonna happen. So it's kinda like Oh, shit.

What do you do?

Well, everybody's I think I'm gonna have 1 myself. Y'all start doing that shit to me.

Oh, dude. I see somebody do a Narcan. I'll hit 1. Yeah. Across the right

1, please. Yeah. Did you,

do you always feel like you had to party so much? Where does that come from, you think? Is that just did you grow up partying?

Yeah. Not real. I mean, I never felt like I I had to. It was just, man, I like to have a good time. My whole family likes to have a good time, man.

So it's just kinda whenever I got so my parents were pretty strict on me growing up, you know, because they knew the only way I was gonna get out of Pittsburgh was to, you know, on a scholarship or whatever.

And that's Pittsburgh, Texas.

Pittsburgh, Texas. Yeah. And so, like, they were really strict on me. And so once I got to college, dude, it was like balls of law. Like, no parents, you know, get to college and just hammer down, man.

And it just I don't know. I guess it kinda just snowballed, and, I don't know. I can drink with the best best thumb, and, I don't know. It's a it's a great time, man. And I've slowed down a whole lot, you know, this past couple years, but I still, I still like to get out there and and act up a little

bit. Yeah.

Yeah. Wow. I can't believe that you slowed down. It's great, though. I was all I was envious of people that could party, man, because I couldn't do it.

I get a little too rattled, and I just start fucking chewing on the fucking walls and shit. You know, I just start fucking farming copper out of my own house, dude. You know, I get

this Yeah.

I couldn't handle it, dude. I call the cops on myself a bunch of times. I'm fucked up.

That's that's that's part of your note. I mean, that's that's hardcore shit. Exactly. I guess. Hey.

That's some partying. I I don't think I've ever called the cops for myself before. That that's wild.

Oh, yeah, dude. I'll call them bitches.

Oh, dude. I'll call the cops

for anything, dude. I see. Yeah. I remember I was at a UFC fight 1 night, and the guys were beating each other so bad, and I fucking called the cops right there from T Mobile arena. It was, Dustin Poirier and Max Holloway were beating shit.

I said, you gotta

y'all gotta get down here and quit. Yeah.

I said, y'all gotta mail on mail domestic down here.

Oh my god.

That's what I said. I said, these guys are fighting over jewelry down here. Because I think winter got the bell.

Oh, really?

So I guess you got a mail on mail domestic down here, but you guys you guys need to send someone.

Figure this

shit out quick.

But, Dana,

what are

you doing? Yeah. Why the title

9 lives, man? Oh, man. It was kinda so the record was kinda like, us kinda doing a new music that we're we're not known for. You know, usually, it's the the party music, the crazy rock stuff. So this is just kind of the past the other lives that I could've lived had I not been a musician, you know, or or travel down this road.

So, it's kind of just like a reflection on that, and, I don't know, man. Just kind of 1 of those 1 of those things.

Yeah. And I read that you wrote it pretty quick, like, when it finally hit you.

Most of the songs came really quick, man. Like, Gabe Simon, he always says it was, like, my first therapy session. My bad. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Cool, dude. But he, like, he, like, dug into my life, like, into my soul. It was, like, bringing out shit that I'd normally never tell, like, a a stranger. You know?

And he just dug into it, man, and and it helped write the songs really fast, honestly. So no. Yeah. I don't know, man. The songs came out great.

You know, it was 1 of the more vulnerable songs that you made for sure. Yeah. For sure. No. I mean, it was just, like, it was more raw and real than I feel like I'd ever been playing music.

So so, yeah, it was kind of like a kinda turning a new page on, you know, not leaving the party behind, but just kind of me kinda growing up type shit.

Damn. Fuck, dude. Alright.

Sucks, dude.

All the good ones grow up.

I know. You're gonna see me you're gonna see me in the, the jail log tomorrow. Okay. I go to the red door or something tonight.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man.

Yeah, dude. A lot of the all the good 1 to grow up, man. Yeah. They've had that term. Yeah.

Because there's there's like, I mean, I love Jesse Murphy. I've been a Jesse Murphy fan since. Love you. Before I should admit as an adult male. You know what

I'm saying? It was, like,

very strange to tell people that you were a fan.

Well, she's got the soul of, like,

a God. 50 year old,

I feel like. Or 60 year old. 80. It's insane. I remember whenever I first heard her, I was like, wait.

How old is and this she was probably 8, 17, 18. And I was like, wait. What? And she's such a baller, man. Like, she walks in the room, and it's just like her presence is so huge.

And she's just and she's just this little bitty thing, dude. You know? But amazing amazing artist.

She's a fucking grenade. Dude. She's insane. And she's got that look in her eyes like she's just seen it all

a 1000000 times. That's what I'm saying. She's like reincarnated, bro. She's like, yeah. She got it.

She got it going on.

Yeah. She might be a refurb or whatever they call it. You know? Yeah. Yeah.

God. Oh, god. Y'all are beautiful. And I mean and I mean both of you too. I do wanna say it like that.

No. She's so talented, man. That song gets stuck in my head too, man. That Ira gets stuck in my head. Yeah.

I'll just be doing nothing or doing something that'll come out

of me. Where where we at? I was getting I'm getting the IV. I'm hungover as shit.

Oh, yeah. So you got

Yeah. And I'm just, like, I'm just kinda watching the football game, and I hear you coming down singing high road. I was, like, Jesus Christ. Oh, man. Gotta get some And it was like, what were we what were we doing?

What was the stuff? The NAD. NAD. Oh, yeah. You do remember we were talking about it.

You were, like, doing however many milligrams.

Oh, yeah.

And I was doing, like, 75 or a 100, and I'm over there about to die. As you're you coming down singing high road, and I'm like, god. Shut up, please.

Oh, man. It's just wow when you get 1 that gets stuck in your head.

Yeah. For sure. You wake up singing it, and you can't get yeah. It's just a holiday, dude. Yeah.

Yeah, man.

It's it's just it's wild, man. What have I been watching? I was watching that JonBenet Ramsey. You see that stuff?

I haven't seen it. Is it on Netflix? Yeah. I saw. I haven't watched it yet.

It's a dude. It's like reefer rehab, berdashing, whatever happened in the law in the past, you know?

Yeah. Is it kinda like who did it? Are they still on that?

Yeah. The dad, though, will now be interviewed. The like, the dad is in it.

Okay. I don't know shit. Yeah.

And the dad I think that the dad is just a thought a belief of mine. I believe that the dad had had some kinda inappropriate attraction to the child, maybe. I don't know if I can legally say that or not. This is my belief. And the mother had been envious of that.

The mother, unalived, you'd say unalive now.

Oh, really?

Unalive to the child.

Unalive. You can't you can't say the

other stuff. Yeah. They'll take us down.

Really?

The mother unalive, the child, and then they together figured out

a way to

the story. Right? And neither 1 of them could wrap the other 1 out because they both had some

Talk connect or connection to it.

Some connection. I think he'd been appropriate. The mother got envious, put the daughter it was in all these pageants, all this weird stuff. The mother did it on purpose of her accident, and then they both had to help each other cover it up.

Did she was she ever she never served Ty or anything, did she? What's Yeah. The the mom?

She never served Ty. No. She ended up passing away cancer, I believe.

Oh, no shit.

But,

I don't think I'm thinking of the same. There's another 1.

Gonna be Casey Anthony.

Casey Anthony lives here. Really?

Yeah. What? Where does Casey Anthony live? You gotta get her out to a show, dude.

I don't know about that 1, bro. Jesus. But she she did did she serve Tom?

I don't know. Let me see. Casey, where's can't Casey Anthony now? It's a great question.

No. Wait. She's she's in Nashville on Broadway every night? Just

jeez. Leave them Broadway girls alone. That's what she's saying, which is a

little morose part

of saying.

Where where does it say she live? You see anything on it? Move to Murfreesboro, Tennessee.

Where the fuck is that?

I mean, it sounds like it's close.

Yes. It's gotta be close.

Wow. Man. I don't did they have any good big criminals in y'all's town? Any big any big crime going up over here in Pittsburgh, Texas? Was there some They

said the Texas chainsaw massacre came through town, but, you know, who knows?

Yeah. That could've just been a Yeah.

I mean, he could've been going through

That could've been a guy just repairing 2 stroke motors too.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm saying it could've been.

He's still living in Pittsburgh. Honestly honestly, he probably is. I think I know who it is too. No. They said Bonnie and Clyde came through, and 1 of the sheriffs there I mean, Pittsburgh was I mean, it's still it's only like 4,000 people.

But if they said they called them ahead of time or let them know somehow via Pigeon or some shit, and they were like, hey, get the fuck out. We're coming through. If you wanna if you wanna live, just get out of

our way. And Bonnie and Clyde were coming?

Yeah. And they they rolled through and then nobody gave them shit. Just like because they hid out and, are they from Dallas, I think? Or somewhere Where's Bonnie

and Clyde from? Let's get a look at them.

Pretty sure. Oak Cliff, South Oak Cliff. Hey. Bonnie was the looker,

I think.

Yeah. She was a smoke.

Let's see. Let's get a look at them. Get a look at them. Let's see images there. Bonnie and Clyde.

Oh, did you watch that 1 with, Emile Hirsch?

Uh-uh. Is it good?

Oh, dude. Yeah. It's like a 3 part series.

Oh, I gotta watch that.

Oh, bro. It's so good.

Oh, yeah. Bonnie Back in the

day, dude. You bet.

Bro, if she looks good even in that picture,

because this I think Cloudwell Cloudwell, he was a little bitty dude too. Oh my god.

Oh, there they are.

Imagine taking those pictures back in the day, dude. Like, hey, I'm gonna hold this to you. You know, there with the photo, like, the picture.

Yeah. And it and it and a smoke comes out of it. It must have felt like Satan was doing it.

It, like, goes off and, like, pull the trigger. Yeah. They fucked them up. And Look

at that.

That was in that was in, ambiance. Parish, I think.

On Louisiana Highway, and they still have that car. Yeah. Where was that at? That I think

it was in Bienville Parish.

Oh, yeah. It sounds about right. Yeah. It is a parish over there. It's been 90 years since a posse, a lawman, caught up with the outlaw couple Bonnie and Clyde.

They were ambushed and killed on a North Louisiana road, but their story is still very much alive in Gibbsland, Louisiana is where it occurred at. Bonnie and Clyde. What kind of pieces of history of money and Claude? What was their biggest heist? What was Bonnie and Claude's biggest heist?

I wonder.

Where where are you from, Louisiana?

I'm from Covington, Louisiana. We didn't have anything. Covington. Lee Harvey Oswald went to our middle school. It was our big thing.

Damn. That's pretty big. The gang robbed the First National Bank in Stuart, Iowa in 1934. They did some kidnapping. Kidnapping?

I didn't know that.

But it says kidnapping of a man and woman.

Oh, that's not kidnapping.

Yeah. That's just Just napping. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Just making friends, dude.

And some car theft. Damn. They weren't even as bad as some of the, these Travis Scott fans. I feel like.

Yeah. You need to, you need to watch that. It's like a 3 parts. Series. It's got if you like Mel Hersh, I love Mel Hersh.

Oh, yeah. He's And, it's it's it's great, man. But they kinda went through their whole apparently, it was pretty spot on from everything. But,

Yeah. That'd be I wonder if I could do a good crime.

How do do you like, like, the, like, the history, like, the gangsters and stuff like Dillinger and all that shit? Yeah. That's, that's up my alley, man. Baby face pretty well fluid and all.

Oh, yeah. Remember, well, these have that what was that movie that had all those guys in it?

Public Enemy. Yeah. Yeah. That was good. A lot of good actors.

Dude, yeah. I wonder if I could be a good criminal or not. What kind of crime I would do? I wouldn't do kidnapping because I don't want some dumb fucking kid around all

the time. That's very annoying as fuck.

Yeah. You're like and yet to what? Then you're like and also you're gonna get caught. You're gonna have to go to McDonald's all the time or whatever.

That's better. Yeah. We don't yeah. No kids.

So yeah. I would do something with adults probably or what's a good crime? Train Robin would be sick.

I think about that all the time. Like back in the gap, like cowboy days.

Just pulling up on that thing.

Throwing up a dynamite in there and throwed it up.

And there's some rich guy just eating in the window or whatever.

What the fuck's going on? Okay.

Pop 1 off into him. Just shoot right through his Salisbury steak or something. Next thing you know, you're in there. But then you get in there, you have to look for the money. That's gotta

be the worst.

Somebody tell

us what the fuck it is. Yeah. Like a gunslinger back in the day,

man. I'd be so sick. I know. It'd be so wild. I was just reading about a lot of, hookers and stuff that were on the, like, whenever they had Gold Rush Yeah.

And

stuff like that. Like like, there are a lot of hookers started up some big, maddening and stuff out there when there's Gold Rush. Yeah.

That's tough.

And it was pretty wild, and they would, you know, they get other women to work for them and stuff like that. It's just kinda fascinating to learn about. Yeah. But, yeah, I wonder if I could do a good you oh, you know, it'd be a good crime, I think? Get a hot air balloon drop in that way.

Nobody sees that shit coming.

No. Absolutely. Like, first of all, what the fuck is happening?

Yeah. Yeah. Like,

I don't know what drones and shit. Probably, you can get away with that. I mean, maybe back in the gap. Yeah.

Yeah. But, yeah, drones. Yeah. Wonder if we'll be able to travel by drone. They have that stuff now where you can kind of

I saw 1 the other day. It's, like, somebody sits in it and it's got the the blades though. Don't look too safe, though.

It's like

Like, how many beers do I need before I get in this thing?

Especially if your buddy gets a hold of that remote for 30 seconds, dude. He's taking you right into some power lines, dude.

He's done some fucked up shit to me. Let me see if, bro. Like, you would have done the same for me, buddy.

Yeah. And if you're especially if you're wearing, like, a Volz jersey or something, he just takes you around. He takes you in, Athens, Georgia.

That's what I'm talking like. Yes. See, that shit don't look safe.

Oh, hell no. That's look like something Kid Rock would buy.

Kid Rock has 1 right now. We hear

it just rolls up. That thing runs on probably diesel or something kerosene. Oh, just runs on some of Kid Rock's bad music too. Kid Rock, dude. Every time you play ball with a ball, it fucking takes off.

Ball's I'm joking.

I'm joking, Bob.

I'm joking, dude.

Oh, Bob, man.

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Yeah. We we don't I don't like to do it, man. We haven't Yeah. We haven't done it, a whole lot. I think we didn't have to cancel any on this tour.

It was a festival. Oh, yeah. Festival, I got 64. And then whenever y'all the hurricane came through, we had to cancel. So we had to reschedule.

But, last year during the El Paso tour, man, like I said, it was crazy. I would just get, you know, the whiskey and everything. I give up whiskey, by the way, this year. I stopped drinking whiskey, switched to tequila. But, you know, last year at the El Paso, dude, I was just I get to a point where I couldn't talk, you know, and I would just be giving it everything just to say a sentence or whatever, and we had to cancel a couple and that that sucks.

So after that, dude, I was like, no more. You know? So

Just shut that whiskey down.

Dude, as much as I love it, it's just, man, it's rough on me, man. And, like, you know, I can drink tequila and not feel half as bad as Yeah.

I do a whiskey. But Well, your legs don't work as good in your neck.

Hey, dude. Yeah. You get that that 15 gallon head, bro. Somebody starts swinging back and forth. And, like, I'll be like a cat.

Like, I hit the ground and bounce it up really quick and think that nobody noticed, but I'm so big. It just shakes shit off the wall

and be like, what the fuck is up with this guy? Like, Chris Farley just laying it on

a table.

That's, bro. That's 9 lives, man. Wild, dude. Oh, they kicked you out. I remember that 1 actually, dude.

I remember that. Oh, yeah. When they kicked me out. Yeah.

That's fun, bro. Yeah. Your whole journey so you guys do such a good job of sharing your journey, honestly, like, on, social media, dude. I feel like you guys are just really earnest about everything that happens in y'all's world.

Yeah.

You know, a lot of people don't really operate that way.

You

know, you guys are just really, I think clear to your fans and stuff. Do you feel like and that I think that alone kinda keeps you away from being, like, a mainstream thing, you know, because you don't have a PR guy telling you this or telling you that.

Yeah. For sure. And it's like and and what the fans do, it's not like if I were to do something, it's kinda like they're not gonna be shocked by it. You know, they were like, oh, you know, fuck her for doing that. You know, it's I mean, it's kind of been our thing from the get go.

Just kind of be ourselves. You know? Like, we're not gonna change for anybody. We're not gonna act like somebody that we're not. You know?

So, I think that's kind of been it. And, you know, people have kind of embraced us for for doing that, and that's kinda, like, you know, puts us apart from from other people, you know, I I think. Oh, yeah. So, yeah. I don't know.

I mean, some of it maybe wouldn't would rather it not be out there, but, you know, it's it's it's just life, man.

He has the realness

though. For sure.

And it makes it it really makes it you. It's like, that is him. Yeah. It's like, that is his world, and it's really the world that most people can relate to. Who can relate to some type of perfect polished fucking Yeah.

That's some real good.

Some excitement a little bit, you know. It's gotta be a little bit of excitement, a little bit of spice.

Somebody's gotta go missing. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Somebody's gotta go to jail. Yeah. We gotta figure out where

this dude is. Yeah. You guys have always kind of been in, like, in kind of put in this outlaw country type of place. You know? Yeah.

Do you feel like there's still a lot of outlaws in the business? Do you feel like it's it's growing? Do you feel like it's changing? What do you think? Who are the outlaws?

Who were your outlaws at first?

Man. Yeah. I think there's some outlaws out there for sure. Maybe not maybe not that are as, you know, like, maybe as big, I would say. But there's there's definitely some dogs out there.

Man, I don't know. Kinda hard to I don't know. Who you just has a dog out there, man? Paul Cawthon Paul Cawthon is about as close to do you know who Paul Cawthon is?

I've heard of it. I've heard of him.

He's about as close to, outlaws as a git, man. He he doesn't give he doesn't give a fuck. Dude, he's, my dog. Yeah. He's a he's a beast, man.

His music's great. Man, he lives what he writes, man. He's he's, he's definitely an outlaw right now, man.

Dang. Yeah. I'd like to get to meet that man.

Dude, you you've gotta you gotta have him on, man. He is he is his own person, and, dude, he's a he's a legend. He's 1 on 1. Absolutely, man. East Texas legend for sure.

I think there's a lot of guys that still I mean, in a weird way, there's a there are a lot of people kinda do it their own way now because they make their own road. Yeah. Like, with social media, especially in this film your own content or behind the scenes or whatever, you you make your own shit now. It's not like you need to have some big producer help you do it.

Yeah. Like I've said before, like, I don't think the word outlaw is what it used to be. You know? Like, I think it's it's kind of doing what you're talking about, just going out and doing everything your own way, you know, paving your own road and just kinda being a trailblazer pretty much. You know, I think that's I ain't going to be considered as being an outlaw, because it's not it's not the eighties anymore.

You know? We can't get a we can't get away with a whole lot of shit these days, man.

Everybody's a narc.

Dude, man.

Do you remember when they had fucking narcs and shit, dude? Dude, first of all, the shittiest job you could get in high school was being a fucking narc.

Dude, that's where

Bro, they gave you a little card. It was like, congratulations.

Thank you. You're a narc.

Yeah. Yeah. And it said it on the car.

And I was like, that's the 1 thing you can't put on the car, dude. And then that dude would yeah. Like, he would try to arrest people at a party or something. People would get beat the shit. Fuck away from me.

School's out, bitch.

And then it would take

the cops, like, 3 weeks to have a meeting with the kid or whatever. And it just the whole system.

Oh, man. That's why yeah. I wish, I could go back. You think about, like, the Motley Crue days, like, eighties, bro. Did you did you lift the eighties?

I was alive in them, but, yeah, I was small.

Yeah. Yeah. You were younger.

But, yeah, I mean, you talk to guys, like, like, I remember my first concert I went to was Marilyn Manson. Right? And this dude took us in. Yeah. Or he was like a, I guess he was like a pedophile or whatever.

We didn't know he was. Right? So he was just a guy we knew who was also a pedophile, but we didn't know that part. But, anyway, he took us over. He's like, I can get y'all tickets to Marilyn Manson.

We just started listening to him, dude. And I think we're probably about 14. And this dude, dropped us off there. And we're the only people underage that were in there, like, they I think it was a it was probably an 18 show and, like, Manson, like, cut open Twiggy Ramirez or, like, 1 of his, 1 of the other band members with a bottle. Somebody cut 1 of the band members cut themselves open or cut another 1 open with a bottle on stage.

He was, like, bleeding everywhere. The ambulance had to come. It was

I bet y'all were, like,

holy shit. It was awesome. Dude, we're in the bathroom peeing, and somebody goes, what are these kids doing in here?

Oh my god.

And then somebody else from another stall goes, don't worry. Somebody will Oh my god. That's what somebody said, dude.

Well, the first red flag should have been this dude just getting y'all Maryland tickets. We're like, oh my god.

Richard Slangenstein.

Did he did he go in with y'all?

No. No. No. No. He went to gamble.

Pull him up Richard Langenstein. Pull him up and he was just a real

known pedophile.

Oh, yeah. He was he won he hadn't won awards or whatever, but he was

he was in the trenches

or whatever.

Is that him?

No. Maybe there's more than 1 of him.

That guy weren't there with the the father right there.

We can't show the wrong 1. That guy.

That's Yeah. That looks

like Oh, that's a yeah. That's a liberal.

Oh, man. That is, dude.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Running up the opals.

That guy's a bookie. Hold on. That 1 guy's a bookie. Go back. Yeah.

That guy's just a bookie. Up 1? No. Right? Right there.

Yeah. That guy's just taking wagers on the jets, dude. That's Yeah. We have to take some of this out because we just accuse a lot of guys being pedophiles. But, no, old slangenstein.

He wasn't bad. He was he was what he was.

You know? Langenstein.

That's what they called him. But, yeah, that was my first show. What was yours, man?

First show?

Do you really remember?

Yeah. I mean, so my mom played. She do, like, old Opry houses and stuff like that. So

She was a singer?

Yeah. She was she was she sang and just play with, like, a bunch of old drunk, honky tonk dudes. Right? I'll be that little shithead kid, like, running up and down the halls, throwing popcorn at people. And, yeah.

So, I mean, I was I was around, music growing up, but I think my first actual concert was, Stoney LaRue. You ever heard of Stoney LaRue?

Bring him up.

He's, he's A man

or woman?

Dude. He, he's like a he's Red Deer King, man, Oklahoma cat. There he is. Wow. And, need to get into into his music management.

He's phenomenal. And it was at the Waco Fairgrounds. My cousins were going to Baylor. Mhmm. I think I was, like, 6th or 7th grade maybe.

And, these college girls come up to me like, hey. What's going on? You know? And my cousin, her friend steps in. She's like, hey, babe.

Here's your beer. And, like, just trying to to deter them or whatever. And I take this beer and I hammer it, and they're like, alright. Whatever. She's like, what the fuck are you doing?

We're supposed to drink that beer. I'm like, so we get back to the hotel that night when mom beats my ass. It's all good. Oh, yeah. But, Stella, I'll never forget it.

Yeah. Texas moon.

You're on. Stoney LaRue. Yeah. And is he still alive?

Mhmm. Oh, good. Yeah. He's got some he's got some bangers.

That warms my heart, dude. I just saw struggle Jennings play. We're playing in the same town.

Oh, really? Pretty cool. I haven't I haven't met show yet.

Him and yet because he was having a jelly roll and yellow wolf. That whole gang member that was really that white sort of, yeah, that's American, that sort of fucking missing person.

I like wolf, man.

Oh, yeah. They all of that. Yellow wolf. Jelly. Oh.

I used to listen to pop the truck before football games, man. And just like Oh, there's I don't know if there

is a better anthem, dude.

Dude, it's so good. Yeah.

Dude, they even had they had jelly roll out there, yellow wolf. We even saw jelly wolf was out there. We're like, who the fuck is that? It's just some

just some dude in ICP.

It's just it was jelly Wolf. Yeah.

It was just it was

a St. Bernard with a couple of face tattoos on him.

Oh, driving a cyber truck.

Well, we saw a struggle, man. It was awesome to go see him. He puts on a great show. Where was it? I think I feel like it was in Montana somewhere.

Well, we got to go meet him backstage after and and, with his crew. He's got a great group. See who's performing with him real quick. Who who who's out there on the road with, listen.

I mean, that's another ally right there. I mean

With struggle Jennings. Yeah. He's been out there doing it, man. He's been out there doing it. Yeah.

Yeah. And, you know, there's something also there's something nice about when you have a, when you're not as mainstream Yeah. That there's a real relationship between you and your fans.

Yeah. For sure.

Caitlin Curtis and Brianna Harness or Brianna Harness.

I don't

know if that's the newest tour or not. Is that Tom McDonald? Oh, yeah. Might be. I think it's

He's a he's a is that he's a rapper? They had

a song together, I think.

Yeah. He's cold.

Oh, Tommy Vex, dude? Tommy Vex? Wow, bro. That's crazy. I know him.

I know him.

That's just crazy. Well, some of you

just it's amazing who you see on Google of who you know.

Wrong music.

Yeah. He's a rock dog right there. Oh, yeah. For sure. Yeah.

There's something nice about when something is, still grassroots

Yeah. For sure.

That you feel this weird thing. It's like it's like your thing.

Yeah. And I feel like it gives the fans, like, a a a more of a connection, you know, like

Oh, yeah.

That he's 1 of us, you know, like, type shit.

You go see him and then, like, man, he's 1 of us. He's the same.

Guy with 1 of us. We accept you 1 of us.

What is that?

The Wolf of Wall Street when they're sitting there. You never see that? I see. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And what he's in a wheelchair? What what happened? I don't know.

Yeah.

Think this whenever we're talking about the little people strapping them to the board Oh, yeah. And sliding them down at the the times, dude. When was that would have been early nineties, late eighties?

Yeah. Oh, dude. If I was if I was back then, I would have definitely been doing I'm not gonna say it out loud. I'll spell it real quick in case there's any kids listening to the cars anywhere. M u r d e r s.

And that's what I would have been doing. But now they catch you. You can't even do no good crime anymore. That's the thing. We're taking a lot of fun out of it.

You can't be a train robber. You can't the horse will ratchet out now. It's like

it's like and it's only for like a little bit, like, 5 years at a time, 10 years at a time until it blows up. And it's like, oh, man. You missed that.

You know? Like, what do

you mean? I mean, just like like train robbing or, like, robbing shit or whatever or, you know, partying really fucking hard in the eighties and then just slowing down and

People part I just I wonder who partied the hard we had Tommy Lee on 1 time. He's a fucking greatest dude.

Oh, I'm a big Motley Crue guy. So

Bro, they were so good.

Girls. Girls.

Girls. Girls. Girls. Girls.

Girls. Girls. Girls. Girls. Girls.

Girls. Girls. Girls. Girls. Girls.

Girls. Girls. Girls. Girls.

God, dude. I can't even imagine. And he was good looking.

Yeah. That was the deal. Like, they they had they had everything, bro.

That you being famous and then also being good looking. Like, what a lucky dog.

I get what I'm saying. I think Tommy was he was really young too. Right? Whenever all that was going on. Yeah.

Imagine having all that all that going on at 21. 20, bro. I wouldn't be alive. I would not. There's no way.

I wouldn't be alive. Like, Columbia people from Columbia or whatever the ambassador, they're always sending me these come down to Columbia. We'd love to have you down here, I guess. Y'all don't want me to. I'm like, dude, they're like, we'll give you 5 free tickets to Columbia.

Like, dude, I will fucking

If they do, holler at me, I go wish.

I will die

down there, bro.

I fucking go into all over

my house. They said it's actually really nice to go to.

I'm sure it is. But I think it's yeah. I just think they wanna do ransoms or whatever. That's the thing. So they try to get you down there.

Fuck that.

And they wanna do ransoms. I'm so not. I would not make it down there. Oh, dude. If I even grew up in Columbia, I would get an 8 ball for, like, my 7th birthday.

I would fuck it.

And I would it would be lights out, bro.

We're mainline on this

shit. Oh.

Just for birthday.

What's the town in Texas? We got some shows coming up in Texas. We're going to Benton.

Benton, Texas? Yeah.

We're going to Texas a and m over there and,

nice. Where where at in, College Station?

Not sure. There's a new casino in Benton.

Oh, shit.

Yep. Is it? Oh, Belton. Sorry.

Belton. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Belton. They keep changing the name of it.

Belton's out there by Waco. Yeah. We're going over to Belton. Waco is where so when Parker's on, they told you this to worry about that strip club or whatever we went to.

Mhmm.

And, yeah, that's right outside of Waco.

Is it a good spot?

No. It's the shittiest strip club in

the world. Is that the best 1 you've ever been to, you think?

Strip club? Yeah. Absolutely not. No. But, it needed it needed to be redecorated, I guess.

And so I just I I gave it to them, dude. But

Who the fuck is even decorating a strip club?

There were just mirrors everywhere, and I was like, man, fuck what are these mirrors for? Dude, I found I found the pictures, but yet he was talking about, like, us kicking holes in the drywall and shit. And so somebody had found them and sent them to me, and I was like, oh, fuck, man. And it's just, it's kinda like passed out next to them, chalk like, drywall everywhere. Wow.

What we had some good times.

I've been to some I'm trying to think of 1. 0, in Shreveport, Louisiana, that is strip club, and they had a woman in there that's built like a damn Oh. Scintaar or whatever.

Is that the 1,

or minotaur? Pull up scintaar or minotaur. 1 of them is on, test 200, I think. I don't remember which 1 it is, but 1 of them which 1 is that? That's Centaur.

Yeah.

Centaur.

This lady was Centaur ed up. She was definitely

What is it's probably Larry Flint's and it feels in Shreveport.

Larry Flint's is pretty good. This was not that good. This was, this was

yeah. This, yeah, this lady look like a damn off duty pony. She does. Yeah. Like like a Monday night.

Oh, bro. And she was on the tallest heels ever. She was trying to make herself look taller. I think she was hurt them heels, bro. Them bitches were I mean, they if you took they had the little sticker on them with, like, this on the top of a ladder, do not step right here.

That was all them bitches, dude.

Oh, man.

She was in them. God. There's some nerve wracking for

up there. You spend a lot of time. Yeah. Louisiana. Over the

years, I have. Used to go to comedy clubs there. You know what's kind of sad is you go to clubs and over the years, they close down.

Yeah. Yeah.

Well, I see what music

I mean, kind of the same. I mean, there's, like, businesses really don't last a whole lot long. Like, a long time over there for some reason. I don't know why. I mean, it's kinda everywhere in Louisiana, East Texas, like, you know, unless they're established or a big chain, they just they don't last for some reason.

I don't know what it is.

That's a good point, man. Yeah. I always wanted to go to Longview. I never got there.

See, that's every time we went to, like, the mall and somewhere in Ice Tea or whatever, we'd have to go to Longview to go. So

Yeah.

I grew up how how far did you grow up from Shreveport?

Like, 4 hours.

Yeah. Okay. So you're, like, middle of them? Yeah.

I'm a little I'm, like, some north of New Orleans about 1 hour.

Okay.

So our town

You're gonna

know. You're gonna be 4,000 about same time as same size as your town. Yeah. Kind of a perfect size for

a town. I love it.

Dude, there was nothing better, dude, because you were just there was, like, 2 there was enough there was just enough people to make things interesting.

Yeah. Like, you you knew everybody, but the select few, you didn't know. You kinda made up your own stories. It's kinda, like, kinda mysterious. Like, I wonder what they do.

Why don't they come to church? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. We had a dude that had a they bought him a bike, and he was he might have been mentally disabled or something, but he might not have been. Right? Mhmm. We don't know him.

And but his bike had a baby seat on the back of it. So there was this story that, like, he had a kid that had, like, gone missing or whatever, and he would always ride and run. It was like a sad man whose wife had left him after the baby had been, missing or whatever. And that's what people thought for years. It was, like, people would, like, pray for him when he drove by or whatever and, or give him milk money, all kind of shit, leave pies in his yard and stuff.

And then years later, we found out he's just a mentally handicapped guy and somebody gotten him a, a used bike that had a baby seat on it off the side.

He just didn't know how to take it off. Yeah.

And we're like,

oh, I'm telling

him, brother, we fucking gave that dude a lot of dessert. We gave

him a

lot of the

The prayers are used, though. You know, the prayers are really good, man.

But it was so sad. He would always be, like, in the distance, like, looking at us, like, we got off the school bus. I think he's funny. Yeah.

I think he just wanted

I think he just wanted buddies, you know?

Oh, man, dude. That's good.

But it's so crazy just because of that story we didn't know. We thought he was

this sad guy.

Come up with all these different, you know, scenarios and stories and shit, and then it's kinda like it just becomes like a big fable. Like, it's like Yeah. Oh, man.

But you have a town that's just big enough to support that kind of where there's, like, just enough room for rumors to happen.

Like, oh, what I understand. You can't get over, like, the gossip, all of the drama, all of the stuff like that.

And I remember when I was a kid, you would hear, like, an older kid's name. Like, he was, like, 2 years older, 3 or 4 years older, and you're, like, oh, that's the toughest guy in the whole world. Don't mess with him. Yeah. He's so cool.

That was crazy, dude. That was fun being young.

It was. And she was on

the best. Yeah. You said your parents were kinda strict growing up. No. And were they to your siblings as well or just you?

No. Just me. Honestly, man. I

I think you were just a pet.

I honestly, I was kind of a little shithead growing up, man. But, I mean,

I was like, you know, it was kinda strict.

I mean, but but like, I mean, I was I was always well mannered. You know, I mean,

are you 1 of the most likable guys? You were 1 of the you were by far 1 of the guys anywhere. I have never heard anyone say anything uncomplimentary Good. About coatson. Good.

Except your parents, I guess.

Yeah. Except for Gary Dale just whooping the shit out of me. But no. Like, I mean, I guess it's like a little kid. I I was kind of a turd because, I mean, I was I was the only kid till I was 8 years old.

So, you know, I didn't know a little bit. You know? And then Presley came up and then my younger sister, Zoe. But,

why'd they wait 8 years? Do you think any word on that?

I don't know, man. I I I have no idea.

That's rare, kinda.

After well, yeah, whatever happened, I was like, fuck, bro. Like, this yeah. Yeah. Because, yeah, they had to get yeah. For sure.

But, yeah. I don't know. They were super strict on me. And then my middle sister I mean, not really. And then Zoe Kay, they just let her run ragged, bro.

Is she alright?

Oh, she's a sweetheart. She's she's an angel, man. She's a

Married or not?

Not married. Super smart. Yeah. She's almost done with college.

Oh god. I gotta get

my gonna be 1 of the first Wetzel's to, graduate college. So shout out z

k. Let's get a picture of her up, Zoey?

Yeah. Zoey k. Yeah.

Zoey k Wetzel. Yeah. Yeah, dude. Yeah. She's graduate.

Yeah, man. She's, I think she's got, like, a couple semesters left. Oh, hell yeah.

Zoe Kaye right there. Where's she graduating from?

So she went to she went to Texas Tech. She got her, associates in Texas Tech at Texas Tech and then Oh, yeah. Red Raider country. That's Kliff Kingsbury

country over there. And then And Mahomes country, isn't it?

Mahomes. You bet. Yeah. And so, now she's just finished on finishing up nursing school. So Oh,

she's gonna be a nurse. No way.

She wants to be a nurse practitioner. And so I was like, no, it's like, fuck it. You know, do the whole thing. You know, might as well. But

he'll be a be a fucking yeah. Be the Carmelo Anthony and nurses. You know what I'm saying? Be like a

go to a doctor who gives

a shit. Yeah. Be the best 1.

Yeah. I'm trying to get some scripts. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Yeah. I'm talking about. Hell, yeah. Too much of this.

Yeah. I was sick. I'm sick of buying this shit. It's been stepped off. Shady ass motherfucker.

Oh, for sure, dude. I want that governmental stuff, baby. Buy shit by McDonald's. Yeah. My sister's a nurse.

I just asked her. She's like, what do you want for Christmas? I said I want some Tor doll shots. So if my back gets bad on

the road, I can just use them. Even if I'm not hurt and wherever I'm gonna have you, I'm like, give us when I tore it out. Put it in.

Oh, yeah.

Give me all the all the goods.

That's how I'll do it. Yeah. I gotta get a wife, man, next year. That's 1 of my goals. Yeah.

2020 wife. That's what I'm calling it.

Oh, Life 2025.

I'm in.

Nice.

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What are you doing here, buddy? You need to get you a you need to fill out an application somewhere above.

They so I mean Or

were they how were how did they, how have they supported your music over the years? What's that been like?

Yeah. I mean, they've they've always been super supportive. But, obviously, you know, them being parents, they're like I remember whenever I was in, I got kicked out of school at Tarleton State.

Oh, yeah.

And so, you know and and they like to they like to come in and and check on me, like, once a year or whatever. And Who do you parents? Yeah. My parents. And so I'm living basically in a garage on a couch in a garage at 1 of my buddy's house, and they, like, they, like, come in, and it's like and I'm I'm I was sick for some reason.

I had, like, the flu or something, but I don't have no money to go get no meds and stuff. So they come up, take care of me, and they're like, oh, we're coming up. And they walk in this garage, and there's, like, the cats run around and shit. I'm just kinda, like, laid up on the couch. We're like, we ain't doing this shit.

Like, what is wrong with you, bro? I was like, well, I'm sick. I know. They're like, well, this is not gonna happen anymore. But I I was too I was too proud to be, like, to ask them for money and shit, you know, because I just I didn't wanna go that route.

And so And you

were out of school at that point? I

was out of school when Did

they know you were out of school or no?

Yeah. They knew. And and this was kinda like

And had

you graduated or you were just taking a break?

No. No. They kicked me out. They said get the fuck out of here. Force break.

Yeah. And so, this is, like, 2 or or probably 3 years, probably 2,014 ish. And we're, you know, we're traveling. We're making we're not making great money, but we're making enough for me to pay rent on a couch in the garage. And so they were like, you know, my dad, he's worked construction.

He's like, you know, come back. You make pretty good money. Couple years, you know, you can be a superintendent. You'll run a crew like, man. Like, you know, that sounds great.

But, you know, and I've got buddies that are out in the oil field, you know, making damn good money. And it's just it was kind of a shitty shitty time in my life. But I think that kind of that stuff right there is kinda what helped build me to what I am today. You know? It made me, you know, hard shell.

You know? And it kinda makes me appreciate everything that I've got going on now a little bit more, you know, having to go through those times. But, yeah, my parents, they were like, this is this is not cool. So you need to figure it out. Like, if you're gonna do it, you know, do it.

So, man, they've been super supportive the entire time, so it's been great. Love it.

Do you have any songs that are, like, about your mother or dad or anything like that?

No. Surprisingly, I don't. I've I've got shit ton of songs, so I'll probably write 1 now. They're gonna be watching. They're like, no.

We don't have a fucking song about it.

You know what?

Yeah. You just never know because sometimes it's interesting where people find how they find it's kinda hard to write a song that like, you know, like, you see a lot of songs that kinda love ballads.

You know?

For sure. But it's hard to write 1 that, Morgan has that 1. What's it like? Oh, it's a banger. I wrote oh, yeah.

I thought you should know. Yeah. That's a banger. And I think there's a lot of people out there that want to have that. Have a song like that.

I think it also touched on a nerve. It's like there's not really that son to mother song out there.

I mean Son to father.

Say There's some of those more probably.

It's that's a hard song to write though, you know. Like, I feel like those songs are hard to write. Like and

Oh, for sure.

Yeah. The more songs that play back here. I mean, I've I've mentioned my parents in songs before, but I just haven't wrote a song about them, you know.

Yeah. Maybe it'll happen. Look, it's things happen as they

happen. Absolutely.

But it's just yeah. I never really thought that it's kinda tough to create. That's a tough 1 to kinda make. Yeah. I think that's why that 1 hit me so hard.

I think a Morgan's just was because it did, yeah, you just don't

Oh, yeah. It brings home for, I mean, pretty much everybody. You know?

You guys toured together, some?

Yeah. We did, AT and T with them, this year. Bro, that was wild.

How cool was that?

Dude, that's what I told him. I was like, man, I I appreciate you having me out. To any of the shows would've been great, but to play Cowboys stadium, you know, Cowboys is my team, you know, Rep Dallas. And so just dude, bro. I got out there and, like, that's kinda what I was like, I couldn't even, like, comprehend what was going on the whole time.

I'm just, like, staring around and looking trying to take it all in, bro. It was like, what is going on, man? It was it was insane. It was something I never forget. You know, I can't thank Morgan enough for having us.

Yeah.

So just to be able to do that, dude, that's so crazy to have that moment to go walk out there. Oh, man.

It was just like you just, like, kept, like, I never even been on the field before. Right? Like, I just kept looking at, like, people all the way up. You're like, oh, what?

Because, like, you know, I've been kicked out of the stadium

a few times.

So this was we had to get a couple signatures to get me in over there.

Dude, I'm in the back. They're like, what the fuck? Who let him back in here?

Yeah, bro. That's so great.

Oh, man.

Yeah. Have as years toward now, I'm I'm guessing it's probably expanded. I know that you had an audience that was outside of Texas for sure. I know you have a have had a strong grassroots audience for a long time and and even bigger than grassroots. I don't mean to use those terms to sound like it isn't.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. I'm not trying to like Yeah.

No. No.

Okay. But now he's found that you've you're torn places that are outside of places you didn't think you would go before. Because that's when things are like, wow. This is kinda crazy.

Yeah. For sure. And, I mean, we've been doing it for for a while, you know, outside of Texas. I think we got outside of Texas probably 17, 18. But, I mean, even now, whenever we go to to new places that are sold out, it's kinda like, man, this is crazy.

You know, you kinda step back and, like, shit. This is it's pretty wild. But, it's I mean, we just got done with Europe. We're over there. The UK.

No way. Yeah. That was all the shows are sold out there.

You'll go to Manchester, London?

Manchester, London, Glasgow. Yeah. All of Glasgow. Leeds, I think Leeds.

Oh, yeah. Then we

did, Amsterdam, then we did Germany. Bro, that was wild. Wow.

Have you ever been to Europe before?

We did we did acoustic an acoustic run over there back in, like, 2018. So but we haven't been back since. And so a lot of the fans were, like, were were fans of the older music. You know? Like, they they dug on the new stuff, but, like, they were singing everywhere to all the old shit.

I saw it. I was like, fuck yeah. It was a Wow. It was a great time, man.

That's so sick.

We got to get back in, like, the smaller rooms too. So

And you're going to Australia soon too.

Yeah. We'll be there in March, I think. Right. March. So

It's so great.

I've never been to Australia. I'm ready.

It's so great, dude. We rented bikes 1 day on the beach. Right? Or you could just rent, like, these beach cruiser bikes, you know, or just like these motorized bikes. You know?

And we rented some, and they, you can take them out on the beach. And, literally, it there's the most beautiful beach and nobody's out there, and you just just rip in these bitches, dude.

I just heard it's kinda like Texas, honestly. Like like, Australia and Texas have, like, this thing together. So I don't know. It's the biggest fall. Yeah.

So Really? Nice. Hell, yeah. That's awesome. Yeah.

Shout out Australia, man.

Bro, there's nothing like Australia. The fuck there and the people and the women are

Oh.

And everybody's good over there. They're great. They're great, and everybody's good over there. And when I was over there, we went and saw 1 night, we saw, Matchbox 20 and Goo Goo Dolls at a show. We popped over there and checked that out for a little bit.

We went to a Fred again show over there. DJ. He's a DJ. That was pretty hype.

Were you were you doing shows over there? Yeah. Nice. What what are we're all g 12?

We went to everywhere except for Perth. We have to go back and go to Perth. I might go to Sydney and Perth if if if we're able to.

Yeah.

Dude, you have to be on my friend Sean and Marley. You have are you gonna be in Sydney?

Queensland. Queensland. What

is Queensland? Is that the beach?

We're try we're we're we're hoping to get a couple more shows over there. So if we are, we need to get on that. Yeah. For sure.

You need to go on my buddy Sean and Marley's show, dude.

Let me do.

Bring it up. Bring it up. Bring it up Sean and Marley too.

Was it like a is it like a podcast or

no. They do, Sean and Marley. S e a there they are right there. Sean and Marley.

Oh, shit. Yes. Fuck. Yeah, dude.

My dog, dude. Gotta go. And make a Texas dish with them.

They're great. Yes. Hell, yeah. There's some chicken fried steak with them, bro.

Hell, yeah. Yeah, dude. They are legends. Get down on

the bottom line. I didn't know they were I didn't know they were in Australia.

They were on hot wings. No way. Bring it up.

Hi, Damian. Buddy. Welcome to the hot wings program.

What? Jeez.

Cheers.

You and Marley look a little bit like I look like Sean.

We should do our own show like this.

I look like Sean. Theo and Coco. That guy's getting oh. I called the fire department. Dude.

Wow.

Have you been have you been on Hot Ones?

Yeah. I was on there years ago.

How's that?

It's fun, but I didn't think it was that hot, to be honest with

you. Yeah.

I mean, what we're used to that shit, though.

Yeah, dude. 1 of them I'll say this. 1 of them, it's more like, it's not really a sauce. It's more like something you clean the bathroom with. You know

what I'm saying? Like, hey. Y'all are fucking cheap right here. This is right. Yeah.

Well, I saw I saw, like, they saw for, like, Tapatio and and shit like that. I was like, what? We put that on eggs in the morning. You know?

Yes. Some of it was easy, and then some of it, you're like, oh, they're using this to take rust off of the, tire well.

You know

what I'm saying? Like, this shit is fucking max level, dude. What's, like, the hot

like, what is what's an area of Texas that you think has the best food? You've been all over there.

Either Austin San Antonio's got some really good food, man. Santo Mexican food, San Antonio for sure. Austin just has everything, bro. Like, barbecue, Mexican food, obviously. Fort Worth, man.

Fort Worth is lights out. El Paso has got really good food.

Yeah. What's up with El Paso? It always gets a weird rap. I feel like it's kind of this mystery.

It's, I think they wanna keep it a mystery, man, because there's so much shit going on. Because right there next to Juarez. Juarez is a no no. Like, I don't

You play Juarez?

We haven't. But, I mean, it's like they they tell you not to to go over there or whatever. But I had a buddy. He went over there, like, a month ago or month 2 months ago. And he was like, yeah.

We just walked across and went and ate and had a couple beers. They came back over. I was like, what? Like but, yeah, man. El Paso we we were caught out there in Tornillo, just south of El Paso.

And

Tornillo, it's called?

Tornillo. Yeah. And this is a great time with food out there. Phenomenal. It's really good.

Best best Mexican food you'll probably ever eat.

Outside of El Paso?

Outside El Paso, in El Paso.

In El Paso.

Yeah. If you're if you're there, hit me up. I'll I'll see you some some real Yeah.

What, what do you think about now with with music kinda moving forward? What do you kinda look at? Like, I mean, you guys are touring off of 9 Lives now.

Mhmm.

And

then, like, do you start to think about what do you kinda think about? I know you have a Christmas album that's coming out.

Yeah. We have it coming out here in a couple days, I guess.

Couple of days, I think, December

6th. And then, January, man, just came back from the studio. Starting to write. We'll start writing tomorrow for that, actually. Stay here.

And then, January, man, just get back in the studio trying to do the same thing, I guess. Yeah. Just that. We got a lot of festivals this year coming up, and then, I don't know, couple surprises. Yeah?

Yeah. We're excited about it, man. It's it's, this year was was wild, man. For us, it was it was insane. It was and this year went by so fucking quick.

Oh, wow. Like, dog. How is that? What is that about?

I don't know. Maybe that's another part of getting older, but I just feel like it was New Year's Eve, and now we're back at Christmas again. You know?

It was so fast, dude. I think people are living fast too because of COVID or whatever. I think people are, like, trying to live

as much as they can. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe that's it. I don't know.

But it was I just looked up. I was like because the tour went by. Tour went by. I mean, we were on the road for 3 months, and it went by super quick. You know?

And I was looking forward to Europe, and Europe went by quick. And I was like, holy shit. And so I don't know, man. Just getting back out there, putting out some more music, trying to, you know, keep the fans happy.

It all happens so fast.

It does, man.

It's kinda weird how even, like, you could be dreaming or hoping about something and it's like the most important thing in the world.

And then it comes.

It comes and it's gone.

It comes and it's like, oh, man. Now we're all gonna look forward to it. You know?

It's we it's just kinda yeah. Like, I'll I'll I'm always pinning, like, my not necessarily my happiness, but, like, I'll be pinning, like, a lot of my excitement on 1 day or 1 moment.

And do that a lot.

And there's such a build up of it, but then once it's gone, it's just Yeah. Like, it never even happened.

Like, damn. That was it. Yeah. Yeah. I feel I have the same shit, man.

I'll, I get so fixated on some shit, you know. And then once it's there, try to, you know, relish it for as long as you can and but it goes by so quick.

They gotta get you on game day down there, man.

I know it, man.

That'd be a fun 1.

And did you do that with is that with Pat? Yeah.

I got to do it like a year ago. It was crazy. Dude, they called

literally the

night before, like, 10 o'clock. Like, you wanna come on tomorrow? And I

was like, god. I wouldn't put

me on. Dude, we were talking about that at lunch. Like, Pat is just, like, completely Oh,

that guy's unreal. He's insane. He's the most that guy's unreal, dude. There's nobody like Pat McAfee. Yeah.

He's like the, male Caitlin Clark of his job. Yeah.

Yeah, man. He is Yeah. Yeah. They should

have you down there next year on that red on that, either that Red

River Wilder. Yeah.

Or the, the Texas versus, a and l.

And l. Did you watch that the other night? It was great. That game, man. I think that was the I think it's the first time, what, like, 11 or 12 years that they played.

And everybody was People were stoked. Texas was on cloud 10, man. We're fired up.

People were stoked, man. What a great place to be from.

Yeah. For sure.

Because Texas, I feel like it's safe. There's, like, people start to divide off into their own states. That's gonna be, say, a lot of people don't wanna go live in.

For sure. Well, hell, like, everybody's starting to move down. You know, you got all these people from California. And, I mean, it's kinda like Nashville. You know, everybody's moving to Nashville as well.

But, Are you coming are you coming to Texas?

I'm coming to look at a place there in Austin.

Nice, man. Fuck you.

I need to get just I wanna be closer to, like, a yeah. I just I would like to have to be able to be in both places.

Yeah. Absolutely.

Because I I found myself I I I've had an apartment in Los Angeles for a while for this whole year. I've probably been there.

Are you still gonna place back in LA?

For 3 weeks, I've been there. Whole year.

It's, yeah. I think being able to bounce back and forth from here and there would be

dope. Yeah.

And you've been awesome. Right, man? It's it's got everything, man. Like, it's it's it's badass.

It's fun. You can still get mugged a

little. I

like that. Still yeah. Still gotta hold on to your wallet.

Oh, yeah. There ain't no crime or the food ain't that good. You gotta

have food.

You gotta have crime to have food.

It's too wide for me. Yeah, dude.

Yeah. Yeah. If you don't have some good crime. Yeah. We're gonna do what did you Tam had asked me about doing the inch the 12 days of Christmas for that thing.

What were we supposed to do? Oh, yeah.

No, man. Just read it? No. Yeah. I was I was gonna have you read it, but I was I should have thought about it, like, to We could

do it now. Would it even be able to record or no? No.

We're good. I don't

know if I had a good 1 with studio or something. I was just kinda overwhelmed.

No. I I hit him up, and I was like, man, this is kinda last notice. Like

If you do 1 next year, I'll be happy to do it. Yeah.

For sure. We'll, we'll get together also. No.

Because I wanted to find a way to make it funny, but I was just, like, fucking burnt out.

That's what I I told her. I was like, man. Was, like, what's kinda like the overall deal? I was, like, just telling to be himself, you know. I just wanted you to read.

We got a you know, Ben Burgess? Ben Burgess?

Oh, yeah. We got somebody.

We got Ben to do it. Yeah. And Ben, you know, Ben Bring him

up bring him a dish

of him.

Ben is, he's his own person, bro. And he he went in there and did his did his, like, Texas draw and

so on.

Dude, he's a very famous songwriter, isn't he?

He's a bad cat, man.

He's like the greatest 1, isn't he? Yeah. I love O'Bertz. Wow. I met him years ago, with Charles Kelly, I think, at some event that they had with Josh Kelly years ago.

Yeah. He's a bad dude, man. Yeah. He's the guy.

Well, he, he got in there, and he read it like he was reading it to his grandchildren or some shit, dude. Sounds good. He did? Yeah. That's cool.

Well, if

you guys need somebody next year, man,

I was

gonna say, otherwise, like, we could just record it right here. I just didn't, think know what to do.

Yeah. I know. All good.

Yeah. What do you do? Yeah. With the Christmas album, so what is it? It's just like I heard some of the ones from last year.

I saw, like, you guys had a cool animation that was online. Yeah. I like you in the back of a Santa sleigh

and stuff. It's just like just some, like, reimagined songs. Like, we just just basically, like, covering them up and just making them ours. So

And, like, chestnuts roasting on, like, a Yeah.

Just on a bottle

of fireball or something?

Fucking barbecue pit or some shit. Oh, yeah. We, I don't know. It kinda gives us something to do at the end of the year. So we're not usually not in the studio.

So just kinda gives us reason to and it's, you know, it's something that people can go back to every single Christmas. So I don't know.

Do you when you start thinking about, like, what are things you feel like are missing from your own life, do you feel? Is that a weird question?

I don't know. I'll be getting a lot of those today. Very intimate questions. I don't know, man.

I mean, you just hit such a neat place in your career.

Yeah. For sure. I don't think it's anything career wise. I don't know. It's just always go go go and, I don't know.

You know, I think not having the maybe the alone time or whatever it is, you know, just to kinda reset. I was with Bobby and them earlier, and we were talking about it. And that was kinda 1 of the things I, you know, was just I like I like being a lot. Like, I'm a loner, you know, and because I'm always surrounded around people and stuff. But I like to have the time to myself just to kinda relax and reset and do all that shit.

So, I don't know. I don't know what it's missing. Life's good, man. Life's good too. Yeah.

And and that's a good point too. Sometimes it doesn't have to be. You know, sometimes I'll I'll, like, I feel like I always need to have an answer for that question. I didn't realize that till just now.

Yeah. Yeah.

For sure. And then I'm kinda setting myself up for failure in a little bit of a way because I'm always thinking that there's something missing.

Yeah. Yeah. That can be that can be a problem. But, I mean, but sometimes when when life is as good as you think it is, maybe it's not, you know. So I don't know.

Do you I I it must be inspiring to see your career evolve, continue to evolve. Right? And grow. Your fan base continue to grow because then you start thinking, well, what can I do? You know, like, not you don't think that before, but you're like, okay.

How can I challenge myself now? How can I what else could I maybe do?

I've got I've got here, you know, where else could I go? Or what else could I do? Yeah.

It's kind of interesting, you know, because you don't know what this looks like until you're till you're standing there. You know?

Well, I'll find myself, like, getting into things that, you know, just that I probably would never have got into and be like, well, maybe that would be a cool cool to, like, say acting or something, you know, something like that. I think that would be really cool to get into. And bar

owner should be getting a new bar right now.

Yeah. We've been doing the the bar deal and

Riot,

Rot Room. Yeah. Yeah. You need to come down to Fort Worth, man.

Yeah, dude. Whenever we're torn through there, I think if we don't go through Dallas, we'll have to make it happen.

Yeah. Sure. We'll,

And what kind of joint is it in there? They got billiards or what is it?

It's, it's kinda like a honky tonk during the day, with food. And then by 9 o'clock, it turns to a club, man. It's like a Texas club, I guess. Like, a cowboy club.

Oh, yeah. I don't know

how to explain it. We got bottle bottle there you go. Yeah. It's, it's alright. It's a good time.

Gang, dude. That's your place?

Yeah, bro.

Congratulations, man. We,

we're we just opened up a second location or about 2 in Houston. Hopefully, getting it up, by February.

See, that's what I'm missing on the party. You can open up something like that. Like, I'd have to open a place where people kinda cry about how they feel every now and then.

And I was nervous. That's what I said whenever I open it up. I was like, I just want a place so I can go fucking party and not have to worry about going to gym. I like to,

you know, like like, nobody can kick me out of the motherfucker. Yeah. Yeah.

Is that for you? Yeah.

You don't text

yourself? Sometimes I need to kick myself out of there, bro. You just see me dragging myself out, bro.

Fucking riot room. That's so cool, dude. Just to have your own bar. Everybody dreams of that, you know. Man.

People dream of that in their lives, you know.

It's it's it's been a lot of fun, man.

You guys are opening up a new 1?

Yeah. Down in Houston. It'll open I'm hoping for February, but it's almost finished up. It's been going good, man. It's, you know, I never thought I never can like, thought that I'd have a a bar or whatever, but, got in with the right people and just kinda I don't know.

It's been it's been cool. Yeah.

Especially in Texas, especially in your space.

You know? Yeah. We didn't, we had talked about putting in 1 here in Nashville, and I was like, I'm not stepping on the white toes. You know, it's not it's not my domain. I'm I'm a stick to what I know down here in Texas.

Yeah. You know? Yeah. You gotta be careful. I think about that sometimes too, like, about getting involved in certain stuff.

You don't wanna act like it's your place just because you're there.

Yeah. For sure.

You know? If you're not from there, I

feel like For sure.

That's how I feel sometimes.

I've seen a is Jelly Roll? Is he putting in 1? Is he Oh, yeah. That's what

I did here. Jelly Roll putting in a bar?

Let's look pull it up.

Jelly Lainey got hers. Morgan. Oh, yeah. I haven't been to Morgan's yet.

I've been to Morgan's either. 1 of my We were at,

good night,

Nashville. Story building. God.

I feel like they're they're not just, like, built they're just, like, seeing how many how many stories they can go up. Yeah. Shout out, Jelly, man. That's awesome.

Mark, Marquis' son will be yellow and black, including a skull wearing a crown of Nashville skyline. Oh, that's kinda cool, man. Oh, yeah. That's like his, emblem.

Yeah. Shout out jelly. That's awesome, man.

It is cool, dude. What a guy.

Dude, your impression of jelly, whatever he is is you and and I want a

cool Have you ever if you've ever been if you've ever fallen asleep in a fucking UPS van, if you were raised to the back of an Oscar Mayer wheeling,

if you ever gotten head lice from from bad head, if you've ever popped a pimple on the back of a long haul trucker, if you've ever given head in the front seat of a Peterbilt, if you've ever had your legs fall asleep on the shitter of a Love's gas station toilet, you could win an Emmy.

Motherfuckers. Like, what

is happening? Dude, by the way, Jelly Jelly gives the best hugs in the world, bro. Every time he sees you, like, he just, like, picks you up.

It's like

jelly, man. This is, man. Yeah. If you're having a shitty day, get a hug from Jelly Roll, bro. Turns that motherfucker right around.

He they should have a hug center. They should have that should be a machine.

That's all he'd tell him. Hey. Instead of all the other good that you're doing around the world, you need a hug station. Right?

You have a hug station?

Give out free hugs, bro. Oh, man. If you've ever been home,

it's $1 hugs, dude. Jelly's $1 hug or you pay $2 and get a little bit more of a hug.

You know

what I'm saying? And it's heated. The second hug is heated, dude. Damn, brother.

Oh, man.

Yeah. There's something about jelly. He just is there's something about him. He's just like a conduit, you know, for Yeah. I feel like for love, really.

The guy just

is like his whole aura, his whole presence, everything about him. It's just man. It, it'll turn a bad day around for sure.

It really will. He really is grateful, man. Yeah. He's grateful. He's fun to watch.

The story's been cool, man. Is is he's got a really cool story.

Oh. Yeah. It's great, dude. And, yeah, you guys are gonna be touring for how long? Most of next year or what?

Yeah. We're doing a bunch of, like, festivals and stuff. And then, hopefully, getting a tour in towards the end of the year, maybe. Planning on a new record. So if we get that out, get a new tour going, all the goods.

And any new songwriters you wanna work with or anything like that? Or what's that look like? I know you 1 night I called you and Ernest working together sometime.

Me and Ernest were out in I think we're out in El Paso when are you

Y'all were fucking he said he saw an alien or something.

Could have been could have

been high. Could have been high. Yeah.

Well, yeah. We there's no telling work.

I don't

feel like a peyote and everything else out there, bro. But, yeah, man. I mean, we, I've I've started co riding with a lot of people, man. And this last record was the first time that I've done it. So, yeah, man.

I think it's kinda just kinda opened up brand new ideas and stuff, man. Just trying to, you know, do do what's best for us.

Has it been hard for you to evolve? Like, is that a tough thing to to to change to do as an artist to, like, think, okay. I'm gonna cowrite or I'm not? Or is that do you, like, have certain, like, kind of rules for yourself and then those change? Or do you not have any rules for yourself?

It was at first to start with the cowrites because I've wrote you know, my first 4 records were completely just me. And then, so to get into cowriting was kind of a hard ordeal. And then now I've I've accepted a lot more. I feel like it's, it's easier on me, especially with the headspace I'm I'm in and so much is going on. And it helps to have other people's ideas, you know, outside, outside looking in.

So, yeah, man. It's it's been a lot of fun. Like I said, with Gabe Simon and all those all those badass all these badass artists around here, man.

Dude, I met him with Dermot Kennedy. I think bring a picture of him up. I think they were writing together.

Probably.

Gabe Simon.

He works with, Noah Noah Khan and, couple other. Okay. I don't think it's him. Alright. That's Gabe.

No. No. That's him. Sorry, sir. That is Gabe.

That is not the guy that I met, but I would like to meet him sometime. Yeah. Small world. I look forward to meeting Gabe. He's a great dude.

No. This okay. Now I feel like an idiot, but that's okay. It was a different Gabe that I believe played with Dermott Kennedy over there. We went to the Bluebird over there Mhmm.

And watched him play. Yeah. Well, I just think that's interesting because, yeah, it's, like, I always wanna do things on my own. Right? Yeah.

For sure. I was, like, oh, I'll do it on my own. But then things kinda change. You're, like, well, I can't do it on my own.

For sure.

And so then I'm, like, now I have to evolve a little bit.

Yeah. For sure. I think I grow up. And I've always been, like, I hate to ask people for help on anything. Like, this is how I'm wired.

But sometimes, you know, I mean, it, you kinda gotta push your pride aside and say, hell, well, it. So

Yeah. Yeah. And then that's the times when you really kinda things you get better, you know?

Honestly. Yeah.

Yeah. Usually, when I end up including other people, and then I'm not doing anything alone, I think. That's the thing that's that's a bummer. So now as I think about, like, it's not like I think sometimes I would like to get married, you know, or something. I said that, but I think it's because otherwise, you do stuff, and you don't have anybody to tell about it.

Yeah. You're like, oh,

I just this was fun, but it was by myself. And you're like, well, shit, dude. And then your wife 1 day your wife or whatever is gonna be like, shut

up. I wasn't there.

Stop telling me about this

shit. Yeah. I wasn't there, dude. I think that's good, man. I think we've had a nice chat.

Hell, yeah. That was awesome.

Co congratulations, dude. Appreciate it. Yeah. We look forward to just hearing more music and just watching your journey, man. Yeah.

It's fucking tough to grow up, dude. Don't do all don't don't do it all overnight, dude.

Yeah. Not all overnight. Yeah. We'll, we'll just keep easing into it. Okay.

Amen. New Christmas Christmas album out now and his album 9 lives. Thanks again. Go have a good 1, man. Appreciate it.

Yeah. Merry Christmas.