Transcript of E551 Timothée Chalamet

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You've seen him in Dune, Willy Wonka, A Beautiful Boy. And now his new movie, A Complete Unknown, where he plays Bob Dylan in theaters Christmas Day. You can check it out. I had a great time getting to know him. He's an enthralling dang human.

Today's guest is Timothy Chalamet.

We were just in Nashville.

Let's start there. We good, Zach?

Yeah. Cold beans.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I saw you were just in Nashville. Yeah.

Had you been there before?

Yeah. Once. Kind of exploring. I was doing a movie called Bones and All trying to do research.

Oh, yeah. My producer's favorite.

No way. You haven't seen this yet?

Yep. That guy. Zach is his name. No way. Loves it.

Yeah. He really loves it.

No way. So I'd I'd wandered there, and, this time got a better sense of it. It's a great city, Yeah.

It's a good place. It's like a little city. It's like a little city. Kind of like a fancy little city. It's almost like the JonBenet of cities,

kind of

like day you know, look at this outfit, kinda, you know, but dangerous at this hey. But has, like, kind of like an element of, like, mystery, kind of. That's a kind of a weird example. No.

But you're not are you from there?

No. I'm from Louisiana, but Okay. But Nashville here's what it is. It's safe. It's nice.

People are friendly. You can't cheat on your wife there. So it's not

because the city is too small? Too small. Okay.

You couldn't take your wife or spouse or significant other. You couldn't even yeah. Like and you couldn't take them to dinner or something and not see somebody that would know

Yeah. Yeah.

1 of you or them. So it's

There's, like, 14 people?

Yeah. It's well, there's just there's enough people, but there's a it's a this house is a little gossipy. Uh-huh.

Okay.

So there's a lot of, like, it's not a really an adultery city. It's not a city that's adultery is not like a trademark of the city probably.

Is it how is it different from New Orleans?

New Orleans is a little bit more dangerous, I think, you know, and better probably better food to be honest. Okay. I think you have to have crime to have good food. That's kind of how I feel.

That's that's I've never heard the MO. Really? Yeah. That's interesting. Oh.

You ever had, you ever had that, that Yakam in New Orleans? That Yakam? Is it it's not a drug, is it? No. No.

Okay. Because I've had

that. Yacom?

I haven't had I haven't had the edible version. No. Oh, this thing? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Exactly. Oh, this Vietnamese food?

I don't think so. I was watching top 5, like, top 5 New Orleans street foods.

Hey, yacom, homey. Yeah.

Yeah. Wow. That's a deep cut right there.

It is a very deep cut. I thought it came in a small baggy. Yeah. I haven't had this, bro. I have not had this.

But, you know, New Orleans has 1 of the largest, Vietnamese populations.

Really in the country? I did not know. I've never been in NOLA.

I think so. You haven't?

Never. Oh, man. A lot of stuff shoots there. For some reason, I just haven't haven't been there before. Yeah.

It's mythical. You know, Nashville reminded me of Austin a little bit. You know, 6th Street?

Yeah. Yeah.

That promenade a little bit?

Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Sort of. Yeah.

But Yeah. Yeah. That Broadway, that area, that area is really interesting down there. What else about Nashville that I really like? You go to

the soccer games ever? Nashville SC?

I haven't been to that. I go to watch Lipscomb College. They play soccer there. What? At Lipscomb College.

No way.

It's a college, and, they have soccer, and so I'll go watch some of their games.

What's their student body population? It's a

good question. Pull it up. Lipscomb College.

Let's see.

It's 1 of those colleges that right next to it has the high school also and then the children's school or whatever.

So it's like you can go there from k to senior year of college?

Yeah. You could go from from, like, k to 40. 48100 students. Okay. But their their soccer team was ranked, has been ranked in the top 25 the past few years.

So you love, like, you're a die hard, you know, season ticket holder. You're there all the time.

No. Sometimes I'll text my neighbor who's a coach. You're like, hey. You mind if I pop by?

Pop by and you're and they're cool.

And he'll be on the field. He'd be like, yeah. Sure. Pull up.

You're like, do you get, like, the McConaughey UT pass? You can go wherever you want.

It's there's not a lot of bleachers, so it's

pretty You're basically on the

field all the time. Yeah.

I was amazed. I was at that that UT Georgia game. McConaughey gets full that. He gets full license.

Yeah.

He could do whatever he wants. Because I already had a field pass. I thought I was pretty Right. You know, high level in some way. He's, like, with the coach.

He's Oh, yeah. You call him plays. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

He's coaching. He's taping a guy up.

He's taping a guy up. He's taping a guy up.

He's like, you're gonna be alright.

He's living the experience, you know? Got a buddy who's on the Nashville soccer team. His name's Alex Mule.

Oh, really? Let's pull him up.

Let me let's give him some

shine because I I need to go watch him. You think if I hit him up, you would invite him over?

Absolutely. And the the games are often sold out. You know, I grew up with this guy. Alex Mule. Yeah.

But he was always, m m u y l. That's the bane of his life, man.

Oh, yeah. People like Keith called Mule. Yeah.

This is amazing, man. I wish this is, like, this is what AI is gonna be in 20 years. Just say it and it pops up. Oh, as we're talking, the computer follows. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Have you ever thought about that? Have you tried, do you use the Briar? The Vision?

Oculus, that kind of thing?

No. No. They're the or Oculus too, I guess, with the AirPod Vision.

Like, blue blockers or something? The Vision Pro. Vision Pro? What is it? The Apple Helmet.

But tell me about Mule. I just wanna Yeah.

Yeah. My bad.

So you played ball with him growing up?

I played ball with him growing up, and he was just gifted, you know. Mhmm. It's tough, you know. You could play, like, it's like that last dance Chicago Bulls documentary. Some of those guys will be partying all night and then they'll then they'll drop like, Dennis Rodman will drop 40, you know.

It's like, I could work my ass off. And if you don't have the gift of physical talent, of athleticism, you're cooked.

Yeah. You're done, dude. Yes. Some people got that damn you got a damn foot Mozart out there. I don't have that.

Yeah. Alex Mule was a foot Mozart. Really? Yes. Oh, yes.

Yeah. Yeah.

Absolutely. I gotta go check him out, man. I I haven't been to see a game. It's unfortunate. I did get to go see, Vanderbilt, which is the college that's that's the SCC college that's actually in Nashville.

That's what I visited. Yeah. I was at Vanderbilt.

Oh, yeah. I saw a video of you out there.

You know, I never had that American college experience. You know, I went to Columbia for a second. I went to NYU. So I'm jealous of that. But Vanderbilt respected Vanderbilt.

It didn't feel like UT or it didn't feel like I had a huge campus or a huge No.

It's a smaller it's a smaller energy. Yeah. But we went to 1 game this year. They played Alabama and and they beat at they upset Alabama.

So that was huge. It was crazy. They're using their football programs on that. Yeah. Right?

It's not. Yeah. And they know that. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So, yeah, we're not selling a secret.

No. No. You gotta keep keeping their place.

But that was the game they won. And, look, they didn't even it was, like, all these lawyers and attorneys, like, tearing down the goal post.

No way.

They even had they had a, there we are. After the game, we actually we,

is it a big law program?

Carl Lee is their coach, and he's an awesome guy. I mean, he's a class act.

He just gets smoked.

Oh, we got to yeah.

There you are. Dude, what are you doing on the field, dude? Bro, should I You almost you almost ran that person over. Hey, bro. That's amazing.

Put on a helmet girl. That was a girl that should not have been.

Yeah. Yeah. You almost you almost ran her over.

Yeah. She shouldn't be playing wide out at you know, it's just different. But, no, it's, what's it like there? It's, oh, after the game. So they had, like, engineers, like, how should we take this down?

And then there's just drunk kids,

like, just rip it down. Yeah.

And then they carried it down Broadway, which is, like, the street you were talking about, the goalpost, because they've never

had it happen. Those kids have never broken along in their life. Yeah.

They even tried to valet park the goalpost at, like, a restaurant.

Yeah. Is it a fancy like, an expensive fancy

type school? I mean, I don't think it's a lot of it's a lot of kids that have never played probably dice in an alley, I would say that. So I would say it's, you know, probably pretty decent. You know?

Man, that's pretty crazy.

But it's a it is a really cool it's a cool program, man.

I feel like I could see 3 stadiums from my hotel. I feel like I could see the Vanderbilt 1, the Tennessee Titans 1, and Nissan Stadium. Shout out Nissan. Yeah. Is Nissan a big Tennessee car manufacturer?

That's a good question. I don't think so. It sounds, Nissan. It's Japan. Japanese.

It's Japanese.

Interesting. Dude, thanks for coming in, Timothy. I appreciate it, man.

And thank you. You know, I, not with the shameless plug, but I got this movie A Complete Unknown coming out on Christmas day. Yeah. Did you actually see it? Yeah.

Fantastic, man. So I'm excited that that we can actually talk about it, and I was, very much in the time period of the movie the whole time and trying to stay without being a dick, you know, within the bounds of the character. But somebody in the hair makeup trailer at the end of the day, they would play this podcast, you know, which is how I discovered it. And, particularly the, the episodes of the Garbageman and sort of like the real life episodes, the lunch lady, the coroner.

Wayne. Yeah. Wayne, the garbage man. He's doing good.

Those were those were, like, awesome episodes, you know.

Thank you.

Sort of like world views that I wouldn't get otherwise, you know. Yeah. And, And you're from New York. Right? And I'm from New York, so garbage men he he totally recontextualized that for me.

Oh, he did a great job. Because they used to have, they used to have

They used to hate hate them,

you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Because you think they're taking their time. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And I realize how tough that job is. I mean, he was like throwing throwing dogs in the back of it.

I mean, that story is do you remember that? There's a lot

of yeah. A lot of a lot of, yeah, missing Yeah. Formerly living things started to disappear here.

In the back of a

back of a

Well, they

used to have incinerators in the buildings. That's what was crazy.

Right. Right.

So that that people would put their trash, it would hit the incinerator, and then they would just have I mean, this is like 6 or 7 years ago, I think, but they would just have, soot in barrels, you know, or in, cans on the side of street. And then they started getting bags, but he said, yeah, there's been times where a lot of things are showing up. But thank you, man, for checking it out. Yeah. Alright.

For just hearing it on accident.

No. Hearing no accident. Loving it. And, and I'm so happy you saw this movie. And this is like, you know, I hope this isn't, like, a shameless self plug, but No.

It's not at all this. No. Man, that we're happy that you're here and

and I appreciate it. Yeah. I appreciate it.

And you get to do a biopic or biopic, how

do you say? Still don't know, man. Biopic sounds like a medical procedure. Yeah. You know, that sounds like someone Yeah.

You know, is inspecting your lungs to see if you played the the role the right way. I like biopic. Biopic sounds fancier.

Yeah. Biopic does sound fancier. I think that true. Yeah. Biopic.

Was it like so let me think about a question like that. Just so people know, this is about a 4 or 5 year period in Bob Dylan's life.

This is a period. 4 or 5 year period in the early Bob Dylan's life. And I'm sure a lot of people listen to your program are already fans of Bob Dylan's, but I'm sure a lot aren't because of my generation, you know.

Yeah. People some people don't know.

Some don't know. And he's really 1 of the most fantastic American artists of all time and has influenced our culture in so many deep ways. And he's just you know, I grew up on on Kid Cudi and hip hop, and that was really my, you know, my my my passion. And then somewhere in my twenties, because this movie I was working on, I became obsessed with this this man, Bob Dylan, who's absolutely I could just speak about him endlessly. And, you know, I would love if people saw this movie and even if they got a passing interest, discover the world of Bob Dylan.

I feel like we get to be a bridge or a gateway to this to this guy. And, I hope this isn't 1 of your episodes where you got, like, someone, you know, like, 1 of the most people skip because it's like a a person playing. So you know what I'm saying? Like a like a I don't wanna use that word, celebrity, but, like, you know, because my favorite episodes of yours are

Oh, like a fancy like a fancier person? Hypothetically fancier?

No. I don't mean like that, but just, like, I like like I said, I like the ones that Yeah.

We don't have like a lot of celebrities on really.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I never really used that word, but,

No. That's okay. Yeah. No. No.

I don't think so. Look, man. I I think

I feel like this part of the job is that though. Because when I when I'm working, I'm really very much in it. You know what I mean? And then here anyway.

Yeah. Actors get kind of a weird rap though because then they also have to be celebrities.

In some way. Yeah. In some way. And, that's Well well well, if you wanna if you want to get your movie out, you there's there's only a limit of how pretentious in some way, you know, private, whatever. You know?

I want I want this, especially this movie. I believe in this movie, and I believe in this man. He's a tremendous artist. So I wanna I want to, you know, get it out there.

Yeah. Yeah. No. I don't think that's man, I think that, like, you did the movie of with the young man with drug addiction with Steve Carellson

Oh, yeah. Beautiful boy. Yeah.

Which was awesome. Yeah. Yeah. I know you struggle.

I've known you for that. Yeah. I know you struggle with that a little bit. Yeah.

Yeah, man. Yeah. And there's so many people have, and it's like, so I don't think there's any doubt in people's mind about your ability to be a bridge between whether it be a store you know, a story or a person to a new generation or to new listeners or or people kind of imbibing.

And I appreciate you bringing a beautiful boy, and I feel like you're doing the exact same thing. Not to just blow smoke up each other's ass, but I feel like when you

Oh, we're a couple of naughty Native Americans right here.

Come on. Come on. Yeah. But We're a

couple of Yeah.

Oh, yeah. If you're not if you're listening to this and not watching this, then we're fully the bottom half of our body.

We're out here, boofing, It's getting spicy

out here. I don't know what that means.

I don't even

know what that means.

Take that out.

But, no. No. No. But, but, because I know you speak on it too and you probably empower people, you know, that, otherwise would be, doing some naughty stuff.

Yeah. People wanna hear us. People wanna see it. People wanna see, like, a little bit of a journey that they can relate to or hear about it.

Yeah. Exactly.

What so about the character, like, so Bob Dylan has, like, such a famous because, yes, a lot of younger generation might not know about him, you know? Yeah. And, a a lot of, he has such, like, a hint.

That's a good Bob Dylan, man. Was it? Yeah. That was good.

How did you do when you first decided? Because if she had practice it in your room or something. Like, tell me about the first time.

That was super gradual. Can't do it with people that are fans. Because people that are fans of Bob Dylan will go, they'll all tell you got it wrong. That's the trouble with playing someone so famous and beloved. Everyone's got an opinion about him.

Yeah.

So you gotta put the blinders on and just kinda do it around people that, you know look, man, I'm usually not that prick actor who's, like, obliging his friends or whatever to listen to the the characters working on it, but this is the 1 time I did that.

Oh, I think you have to do that. Yeah. I do. Yeah. Because you yeah.

You don't wanna get out there and do a bad job of it.

Exactly, man. This this would have been blasphemous. I would have gotten killed.

I mean, it I could still get killed. Yeah.

But now it seems like, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, a little bit of Might a little bit of love. You know what I'm saying? You might be a little bit of that.

Hey, snipers down. Lay down, snipers. But yeah. But was there a moment where you tried that? Where you actually tried it?

Yes. Very gradually. I I, I had to there's a great dialect coach named Tim Monnick. You know, you can work with people that are experts in this field and they'll tell you Oh, really? You had to go about it.

He this man, Tim Monich, invented dialect coaching. He came up with it. Tim Monich. Let's bring

him up with it. M

o n I c h. He's worked with Leonardo DiCaprio. He's worked with everyone, you know.

So he's a famous, dialect coach.

I've never looked him up before. Yeah. Tim Monnick.

There he is right there. Okay. Is that the man?

Yeah. There there I am with him. I got in trouble anyway.

Oh, you did? What happened

to you? Got in trouble because the strike had just hit, and I was just hanging out with him. And and, I didn't really get in trouble. People, people thought I was people thought I was a scab, and I was working with him. Oh, yeah.

But, he's a Crossing lisp lines or whatever? You're right, dude. You're right. You're right.

That's that's

the only union where you'd be crossing the picket line by working on your tongue.

Yeah. That's crazy.

No. I'm super. That's a real thing, dude. Oh, yeah. It's a real thing.

Really? Scab. Stop working on the accent.

How dare you learn Spanish?

Yeah. Exactly. Wow. Man, next time I'll call you. Because actually when you put it like that, it's like, what are you supposed to do?

You know? Like and I wasn't working with him. I was hanging out. You know? We went to a shitty, super shitty, it's bleak, man.

Like, the way Bob Dylan when he came up, there was, like, all these cafes in downtown New York and the music. And now I went I was trying to find the folk scene in modern day Manhattan. It was brutal.

Oh, I think in Manhattan probably maybe, like, in the somewhere in the village probably. Right?

Yeah. But it was brutal. I mean, I went to I went to Cafe Waugh where Bob Dylan came up and, it's just like Aerosmith covers now. So some people go, oh, you're like, oh, man. Yeah.

This is not how it was. Why you're crying?

It's just a and it's like a small air passale in the back kind of like Exactly. Yeah. That's kind of a bummer. Did you have to meet Bob to get into this? I never

got the chance to meet him.

Not yet at all?

No. Oh, he's super reclusive. Yeah. He's elusive.

He's that reclusive? Oh, yeah. Reclusive?

Yeah. We I don't know if I'll ever see the movie. Yeah. He's, he did this, ex post. I've been taught to say.

It's not tweet anymore, I guess. Fucking ex post. But, they did it, like, 3 days ago, you know? And, that was more than the he

he he, There's a movie about me opening soon called A Complete Unknown. Timothy Chalamet is starring in the lead role. Timmy is a brilliant Timmy is a brilliant actor. I kinda respect it, though. Nice.

Honoring your youth.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Timmy is my 12 year old

expression, dude. Timmy is a brilliant actor. I'm sure he's gonna be a completely believable as me or younger me or some other me. The film's taken from Elijah Wald's Dylan Goes Electric, a book that came out in 2015. It's a fantastic retelling of events from the early sixties that led up to the fiasco at Newport after you've seen the movie, read the book.

Oh, it's nice.

Super sweet. And then So

do you even talk to him on the phone or anything yet?

No. Nothing. I got never got the chance to talk him. Yeah. I like the point of the Timmy.

I tried, you know, when I was 1920, I was, you know, I was evolving into Timothy.

You said you said you said some letters.

Shut exactly. Shut some no. Add some letters. Add some letters from Timmy to Timothy.

Yeah. I thought you were going Tim. Sorry.

Tim would be

You want Timothy?

I yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Tim like I said. From Timmy to Timothy?

Yeah. Forties, fifties, couple ex wives.

Then you go Tim.

Then you go Tim, you know, you know, I'm like, you know, like, lawn mowing my lawn all day. Yeah.

Hey, Tim. Exactly.

Missed a spot. Missed a spot. Yeah. You know?

You're like, that was a bird's nest there calm down, you know.

Sort of a disgruntled expression on my face watching my kids' sports games

Yeah.

Yeah. Because they're not playing to the level

that I would swim meet to.

Not a swim meet.

Swim meet is the worst because you can't even talk to the person next to you because it echoes so much in the room.

I'm nervous when you swim meet in my life.

Even if you whisper a little, the people hear it. Yes.

It travels.

Oh, you cannot gossip. How

many swim meets? You go to Lipscomb College swim meets?

I've been I mean, I don't go to the I've been at yeah. I've been at South. Yeah. Be careful, dude. Yeah.

I do. You're right. And it is. And I definitely watch from my car with binoculars, so it's not too greasy. So it's normal.

It's totally normal. You've been so the fact you've been doing it since your early twenties means that, you know Oh, yeah.

It's cool. What kind of grandfather it is?

Your grandfather Like, that guy's not a pedophile. He's, he's

he's an artist.

He's an artist and and this show happened, you know, the show sprouted in this period if you're doing that. So how can you fault the process? The proof in the pudding.

Yeah. The guy how do you expect him not to rehearse his own life? But yeah. Yeah. You can't that's the thing.

You just can't gossip at a swim meet, man.

Yeah. What are

we talking about?

I don't know. I've never been to a swim meet. You know, that's a very non you know, like, there's 4 pools in New York City.

Oh, yeah.

You know what I mean?

That's Yeah.

We don't have swim meets, but we have

What do you guys have?

Like dice in the hallways like you were saying before. No. I'm kidding. But, you know, I was gonna say the other day, like, my high school, they wouldn't let us out for lunch. Would they let you out for lunch or no?

Oh, yeah.

You can do whatever you wanted at lunch. Yeah. They didn't let us out. I feel like my skin tone from when I went into high school By the time I got out, I looked sickly. I haven't recovered.

Oh, it got very you got kind of, like, you know, very,

Anemic.

Yep. Anemic. I'm sure. What else is it called? Kind of boo radley esque.

Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. You know?

Yeah. Because they should give you at least an hour in the sun. They give it to inmates. Yeah. And just because I'm learning social studies, I don't get it.

I don't get it. Exactly. And then I'll be in the basement doing just acting all day.

Just because I'm learning fucking Voltaire. I don't get 40

minutes in the sun. I don't get 40 minutes in the sun.

Nothing. Raisin got in the sun. Oh, hey. I don't Hey.

That's a good play now. Right there, man. Denzel Washington. I will

accept that. I will accept that. Thank you so much.

I heard you're a big, play guy. Really? No. Oh, thanks. I was like, god.

I don't want that going around.

Yeah. Yeah. Hey, man. That would listen. That's the subversive.

No 1 no 1 would expect it.

That's odd. That's very low key, dude. Is there

a theater in Nashville? Yeah. There's Gotta be.

There is a theater program. That's a good question. I grew up in Louisiana. We didn't we had some theater. We just did, like

Did you ever do theater

growing up? Yeah. I did. I did. Well, it was just called drama club or whatever.

And it was a lot of people who was it was a lot of people I think that were wanted to be actors and then a lot of people that just were kind of like The outsiders. The outsiders. Yeah.

I went to the high school as the opposite. The drama kids were the

Oh, the cool kids.

Yeah. And the and the basketball kids were like No. There's, like, 4 of them.

Bro, that's gotta be interesting because a lot of people don't get that opportunity.

No. It skewed my perception in the real world because then I got to Columbia, and I was, like, oh, shit. The value system is totally different. Yeah. You know?

But, actually, in a serious way, it kinda motivated me to go pursue my acting even harder. But did you ever think about acting?

Or You're, like, what's the exchange rate on this Hamlet scene?

No. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly.

Yeah. I did just some stuff at school, but I would always mess it up like we did, like, Sherlock Holmes or something. And I was, like, Watson or whatever, his buddy or whatever. It's like his Who

is Sherlock?

His man crush, whatever. And our our guy was very, like, progressive. So we try to make it there'd be, like, this small, like, lovers scene or or just, like, some ambiance between Sherlock and Watts anymore.

You didn't go for it?

I don't know if I went for it or not. I was, like, 13.

Go out there, man. You gotta be bold. You You gotta be bold. You would've earned the respect of all your classmates. Or, actually, I don't know where you're from.

Maybe. He knows. He knows. He knows. He could've

gone either way. But, but, yeah, there was this definitely kind of romantic where they're looking for the clues and they're kind of finding each other. That's what the guy said. And I was like, this seems like insane. But But you didn't

do it.

I I tried my best. But then I remember I get the first night I got out there on stage, I took on this Latino accent

for

some reason.

That's a strong choice, man. It's almost like Nobody knew

it was coming. Perfect. And I was like, what's up, Holmes? You know? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then, so, yeah, that was just and that's when I realized, like, it was tough for me to be in some ensemble things. I just wanted to be by myself, you know, like that kind of thing.

You found this I mean, this sort of format. Right?

Yes. We're standing up

in Would you do a movie, if it came came your way?

If I've got to make it. Yeah. Myself, I think.

Alright. You went you don't wanna be sliding into something.

I don't think so. I just am super protective about myself for some reason, which may seem kinda weird. I don't know.

For some reason for some reason, you had me on. I think that was bad choice. Yeah. Yeah.

No. A good choice, dude. Yeah. Who so in New York when you were a kid, like, who's your best friend?

Best friend growing up? Nobody can always pursuing acting, dude.

Oh, you really?

I was born I was bred at Warner Brothers Studios in a in a little embryo fluid.

It was just like that?

Yeah. No, man. You know, probably Brett Goldstein, you know.

A guy kid in your building or something? No.

He was a kid on the upper west side, and my older sister was friends with with his older sister, Brenna. And, just I think they still live there. Greg and Bess, those are his parents.

Mhmm.

And Brett, you know, that was my whole friend group. Then they all my whole friend group went to this school called Computer School, and then I went to school called Booker T Washington, so I lost my I lost my friend group there. But, and Do you

have a roommate now?

No. You don't? Thank god, man. That's, like, more than that. Sorry.

No. I mean, but fucking that's more than anything. That's what Jeselnick says on on Netflix. He says, you really made it when you don't have a roommate anymore.

Oh, yeah.

That's true. In life, you know? Yeah.

Yeah. Well, yeah, I think in well, especially in New York because it's so expensive. In other places, some people get a roommate because they just get maybe lonesome or whatever.

Do you do you have a roommate?

I don't have a roommate, you know. I would like to get 1 or I'd like to get a wife maybe this year. We're we're, how

do you go 2020

why that's what I'm calling into.

Why. How do you go

about that? I think getting out there and meeting people.

Do you have friends that you trust, that you would trust, like, set

you up? Some, but sometimes you're shocked at who they'll set you up with.

Really? Like, you're insulted?

I mean, you're just, like, well, we must think that you you think differently. I mean, about you.

How so? Give me an example.

Just like

No names, but how

Just somebody put me all with, like, a, you know, just a, a woman head, like, you know, anyway I say this, I'll lose here.

Okay. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright.

Alright. No offense.

Just people that there was

no How do you do this format? Like, you're never nervous that people are gonna watch that you're that you're talking about?

Yeah. But I just make sure that I just try and, don't say anything that would be really mean about somebody. So right there, it could've got weird.

Right. And you send you'll send scary people after people, you know.

Oh, well, I mean, well, thank

you guys. In suits outside people's house, make sure they don't.

There's a podcast fear out there that things, you know, get handled or whatever. I don't wanna use that term. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

You know,

it's terrifying.

It's not a there's no lawyer involved. I'll say that. You're just winging it. The Lord is our lawyer. That's that's some of these people's motto.

Right. Right. Right. Right. So it it

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You almost become you almost take a piece of the person's existence in a strange way. Does that make any sense

to you? Yeah, man. Yes and no. You know, because I I've become such a fan of his that, it's not like I feel like I'm a blemish on a legacy, but I No. Not at all.

That's all what I mean. No. No. I know. Think when they Yeah.

Some people are gonna think you are Bob. They're gonna that when they think of him in the future, your face will come

into the saying that even if I have, like, you know, a healthy amount of self respect, it's never gonna come close to who he is. So I like the idea that I could be a a bridge, but, like, I had a buddy that said, the Johnny Cash movie, Joaquin Phoenix, who is the same director, walked in the line. He said, you know, I actually like Joaquin's versions of Johnny Cash's songs better than Johnny Cash's songs. I never wanted that. Sincerely, I don't want that to happen here because and I wanted to protect against it because Bob's got this raw voice.

Yeah. He's got this, like, iron voice. And, I don't want I never wanted these songs to be sorta, like, more gentle than his songs. You know? And I had to fight against that because the the recordings we made, a lot of them were super it's hard, man.

He was playing on a beat up guitar with shitty recorders. He had a bronchitis in his early twenties. His His voice is all fucked up. And, and I didn't want it to be, like, watered down, you know, because he very purposefully was he liked Jack Kerouac and Moriarty. He you know, a lot of the books I read, he didn't have great hygiene, you know, stuff like that.

So I didn't want the movie to be watered down all of a sudden.

But you wanted to honor him as much as you could.

Yeah. Exactly.

But also without being him as much like you Yeah.

Not through this Hollywood version, basically.

Right.

Just because his biopics is a fine line, man. It's a and I've never done anything like this. I usually play a role.

Actually Yeah. Wonka, you did. Kinda.

Yeah. Wonka, I did. Yeah. And and But that's maybe not real. No.

But it's yeah. Yeah. Thank god.

Well, don't tell the children.

Thank god. Thank god. No. But, like, also, you know, probably have to get psychiatric help. But, but, no.

But and there's a certain pressure with that Wonka too. People are, like, very protective of characters they love, you know. They don't want and it's sort of like a cynicism about Hollywood, you know, about, like, why are they keep revisiting. The Wonka thing I felt was justified because it's a new story. We weren't doing Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

We were doing sort of an origin. And, by by the way, I don't know if you've seen Wonka.

Have you? Yeah. Which 1 have I seen? You have seen all of them.

You watched it while you're in the car spying on the on the on the list.

I,

you had it playing on the audio.

But, a few first of all, if you've never seen the Walking movie, you just listen to the audio. That's a little bit.

That's already weird too.

That's kind of a yeah. Yeah. It's interesting.

They had Stevie Wonder at the movie last night.

Oh, really? Yeah. Interesting bridge right there.

No. But the same thing, man.

I was like That is right. I just yeah.

Yeah. Surround. Disrespect, but I

was just like No. The godfather of surround sound, basically.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That's what I heard. The premiere was, pretty interesting. So last night was your premiere.

It was premiere in LA, man. It was great. You know?

Oh, dude. Thanks for coming the day after premiere. Yeah. I was probably I apologize, man.

Were you guys

up late?

We were up late and I basically I shot this movie Marty Supreme all the fall. These crazy directors, you know, or crazy director Josh Saf. Do you ever see Uncut Gems?

Oh, yes. So good.

Bad directors. So it's kind of bad energy, that chaotic thing. So it wasn't like a low energy shoot. This was, like, 16 hour days for 3 months, then I went right into this. So I haven't been, like, drinking at all.

Never not that I ever really had a problem with it, but just, you know, because these days and I actually find my mind is so much sharper. I'm amazed I haven't gotten sick through this whole, like, last couple months. But last night, I did have a couple of drinks. I'm kinda fried today, man. Yeah.

I'm sorry. My voice is a little No.

You got a did you have to get up and make a speech? What's it like at something like that?

I oh, man. Great question. It's like

Oh, here we are right now.

Oh, man. I don't do I don't do the, I call it instant nostalgia, you know?

Oh, seeing these pictures like this? Yeah.

Yeah. I mean It's

kinda bizarre, isn't it?

Yeah. It's kinda bizarre, man. This is good because this is I'll say this. It's a great cast and a great, a great, directors. We all have fun.

Edward Norton, man. Edward Norton should come on this podcast, man. He's a legend. Absolute legend.

Oh, yeah. He's a super legend. He was in the, he was in You

ever see Rounders?

Yeah.

Do you play do you play Texas Hold'em?

Yeah. I play it sometimes. He's good. And the both of the actresses were great. The lady's in it.

Oh, and his wife was in it. What's her name? Errico. Errico. Errico.

Yeah. Yeah. They got a, beautiful group of ladies in there and men too.

Yeah. Look at Boyd Holbrook, man, with the blue suit on. Oh. That's a handsome man.

Is he real handsome?

Yeah. He's, he's a stud.

Well, dude, you're kind of a handsome dude. Like, a lot of people

You are, man. Look at the I've people I've seen so many people

Calm you down, brother.

I've seen so many people ape your haircut. Really? Yeah.

Oh, these are yeah. There's a lot of freaking thieves out there. How long have you had it? This haircut I've had for probably it's a little dicey today. I've had it for probably well, I had it as a child.

Oh, no way. So this goes back.

Oh, yeah.

And then I try to, like, blend in, like, whenever I moved to Hollywood and stuff and it didn't work for me. And so then I try to blend out.

Oh, so you started in LA before Nashville?

Yeah. Yeah. I lived out here for 12 years. I was doing stand up comedy. This is where I started doing stand up comedy.

Oh, yeah. Where? The comedy store and stuff like that? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Comedy store. It was awesome, man. I really enjoyed it.

And a whole, like, sort of generation of comedians came out that of there then, Yeah.

And that was, like, yeah. All types they had, like, Chris D'Elia, Tom Segura.

Is that a bigger, bigger comedy base here than New York, you think?

That's a good question. You know what's so funny? They're totally different from each other and some people in 1 don't even know the people in the other. Because the audience is different, you think? Just just it's just a total different group of people.

Like, you go there and it's almost like it feels like you have to start all over. It's a it's just a total different, Like, you I'll go into a club there and it feels like A whole different thing. I'm walking into a club for the first time. In New

York, you don't think you get the love you get out here?

I think you you'll get the though, you'll get a lot of stuff, but you just feel that way. It's not your territory, you know? Right. Right. Right.

Right. And you wanna give respect to the guys that that's their grounds that they walk on every day. Interesting. Interesting. Because that's where they live.

Like, if somebody came out and was, like, being real flashy, but they're not in your in in in your kind of club here, it would be the same way, I think. Interesting.

So there's

a lot of code of conduct.

Would you ever do Saturday Night Live?

I don't know, man. You know, it's so funny. I went and saw it recently and

It's crazy. Right? It's a crazy setup. It is crazy. You did it?

Yeah. I've done it twice.

Oh, you have. Super dialed

in. Right?

I should've known that. Oh, yeah, dude.

Oh, yeah.

I went with Chris Farley's brother. It was the first time that he'd been back to go to SNL since his brother was on there, since he went with him. So it's pretty What was that like for him? He was he dude, he told so many great stories. I wish they'd put him out on stage.

I was like, have him go out there.

Right.

Tell his stories. It was just classic, man. But I went to watch Bill Burr. I'm a big Bill Burr fan, so I went to watch him.

Did you see the last Sandler special on Netflix?

McGee performed that night too.

Sake. That

was dope. Wow. Yeah. And then,

he he he there we

are right there with Chris Farley's brother

right there. Yeah. That was me. Dude, you look like you're 23, man. Dude, it's true.

I look like

a long haircut or no

h g h. No. No. No.

I gotta get some h g h. Do you work out? Yeah. I do work out, dude. Yeah.

I do. God. Yeah. I went today. I mean, that's what I mean.

But yeah. We once. Yeah.

Works out once.

What else do I wanna know about this film? So you didn't hear anything from Bob. What about, like, his wife or his kid or something?

No. His kids, you know, almost towards the start, the, Monica who plays Joan Baez in the movie, she was in touch with Joan the whole time. And I thought about reaching out to his kids. But the thing is, when somebody gets revered like Bob at some point, he's becomes this legend, you know, People can sanitize the past. You know?

Mean by that when you say that? Just so we know.

They could present the best version of someone, you know, and and not present their flaws. You know? Even a lot of the documentaries about Bob, they just paint him as a genius. There's 1 documentary called Don't Look Back, this t a d a Pennybaker 1. We actually see him raw.

It just captures his behavior. And it was sort of right before he got too famous where he turned his back, you know, on letting himself be filmed. Mhmm. And so that was, like, the biggest help for me because and I thought about talking to his kids or his grandkids, but, actually, I was at the University of Minnesota, like, 3 days ago. We're doing a doing a sort of a screening for the students there.

And then someone said, this is Milo Dillon. This is his grandnephew. And he looked like kinda looked like Bob, and he's he said, can we get a picture? And then he put his finger on it. He said, you faze?

And then I said, well, like the The

Faze Clan?

Like, the video game, he said, no. Never mind.

So the new dealt so even

all the Dillons are unique. Yeah. I don't know what that means.

You Faze? I

don't know. With a finger like that.

I don't know. I mean, I know Faze Banks. I don't know a lot of the Faze guys. I know that 1 of them gave CPR to sketch 1 night or something he wasn't doing good. Woah.

But, anyway, shouldn't have said that out loud.

Who's sketch? I don't know sketchy.

What's up, brother? That guy? Did you see him? No. Oh, my gosh.

Wow. It's crazy how different worlds are so Yeah. Different, dude. Sketch him. No.

Oh my god.

No. Oh 0, yes. I have. I have. I have.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Brother? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

He's he's been on this. Oh,

yeah. He's been

on this. Yeah.

Yeah. He's a great Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. He is so creative. He has 1 of the most creative minds I've been around. Yep. Just like to he has his own pentameter of making jokes and stuff.

It's pretty fast.

Is he a stand up?

Nope. He's not a stand up. I think there's this new thing that goes on now whereas if somebody's, it's interesting what's gonna happen with stand up. Because stand up was this been this thing that people always go practice and then they go do. But now a lot of people build so much traction from social media.

Yeah.

They would

pop up like that. Right. So then how do you but then how do you take that and perform it? Is there a performance element?

Different thing. Yeah. Yeah. Because some people on their podcast are grand and the stand up is different. Right?

Yeah. It's different.

Do you feel like stand ups in a golden era? I feel like it's like boxing. I feel like now I feel like Netflix kinda made it, you know, sexy again in some way.

Yeah. I think, well, the news got, like, very, all the same, I feel like. And it got very I what a lot of people believe maybe, commandeered by advertising in a way. Right. Right.

Right. Right. Some of that happens, it's capitalism. So I think podcasting was just this, like

Became this open format. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Where it was, like, okay.

Also, you know that you're really resonating in some way. Yeah. Right? Because it's not dollars that or it's not like

Well, especially in the beginning for the first, like, 4 or 5 years, you're not really making any money. So it's, like, you're just doing your best. You're just keeping it. And then at a certain point, like, people will say, well, if you're not gonna let me say what I want, then get your advertising off of my network. That's

a that's a risk, man.

Yeah. I mean,

it's a risk dollars wise. Right?

Oh, it's a risk dollars wise. Yeah. I mean, Dana White was on here 1 time and 1 of our episodes got pulled down because of, we had, Bobby Kennedy on this, a political friend, a a buddy of mine, but, who also end up going into politics. But they didn't wanna be associated with it or whatever. And, anyway, Dana was on and he said, what what who called and said they and we were, like, it was this, Kellogg's?

It was biking company or something. No.

It was like Interesting.

Proton or whatever it's called. Peloton. Peloton. Peloton. Interesting.

And then next thing you know, people all across the country were throwing pelletons into the Boston River. Yeah.

Well, they give you heart attacks too. Do they really? Oh, well, that's

not gonna help them.

No. No. Based on that Sex and the City,

Oh, yeah.

You know, mister Biggs. That's how he died. I see that. You see that he died on the Peloton in the episode. That's how he dies in the episode, and then their their stock crashed because people thought it was killing it's like and they obviously had to sign off on that.

I guess. I wouldn't have a good idea.

That's a real thing. Right, mister Biggs? I think. Can

we see that?

Pulling it up.

Anyway Oh, there he

is. Oh, yeah. That's what happens when you

He married Samantha. I don't know about this show. Yeah. What else is I gonna think about? Oh, when you think about so I I just wanna make sure that we get a lot about this film and what I thought that was.

Yeah. What did

you like, Ben? You don't have to, you you don't have to you don't have to, like the movie, but were you did you know anything about Bob Dylan before or no?

Nope. I, well, yeah, I know some of his music. You know, I know

his Your parents or your mom listen to it?

Oh, yeah. My mom listened to it. My this kid I grew up with, he would play it in his room every night. He had the harmonic and everything. It was a big Bob Dylan painting.

My my, my friend, Ty, who I used to live with, who, yeah. I mean, Bob Dylan was the first mumble rapper. I mean Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. No. Man, absolutely. Yeah.

Whining with a backbeat.

Everybody's like, you know, thinking that it was some of these other guys, like Uzi Vert or maybe Kodak Black.

But that He

was just a mumbler. I mean, at certain point, can we just say that? He's great.

Yeah. He was a mumbler. I mean, at some point he enunciated better. Yeah. But, definitely early on.

Yes.

It's got a little rocky. I feel like it's got rocky reach.

Which is cool, man.

He might be going through some stuff too. Who knows? Sometimes it's so hard to know, you know, what people are doing.

He definitely keeps it behind,

he does. Screen.

We don't know what's going on.

Yeah. I

probably said more in this interview than he said his whole life. It's mythical.

I probably do. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

That'd be great if we had a word, like, it's like a word counter for you and Kodak. Yeah. You're like just miles ahead

of Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Literally.

Dude, you could sneeze and be, like, 7 words ahead of him. I feel like

You said it. You said it.

What about some other well, I just wanna think of anything else about the film that was was it hard to learn the music? Did you would did you have any issues with that? Or how did you guys

Not really. I mean, I have 5 years to work on it, So I took guitar lessons with a great Wait.

You had 5 years to work on this? Wait. Because you auditioned for it Yeah. Over a long period

of time. 1,000 well, 2018 was supposed to do it summer of 2020, then the pandemic hit, then, I just kept working on it. I kept working on it. I was supposed to do it summer of 2023, then the strike hit, which is when I was coached still getting in trouble for doing my my, you know, getting rid of my lip. I'm just kidding.

And Oh, when you're meeting with that guy? Yeah. Yeah. In the dark alleys to freaking yeah.

To work on the accent. Yeah.

To work on your, keeping your tongue down when you say certain vowels. Bro. It's

like Down with the palate. Yeah. It does. Hey, man. You know.

Do you work, you know

I well, years ago, I went to a

You know, I actually talk like this. Uh-huh. Yeah. Your your voice is actually super high. When I walked in here today, Theo's voice was super high.

Oh, okay. Yeah.

He was Yeah. I'm a Disney character. Hi, dude.

And he kept doing this weird thing. We'd rock back and forth. Oh, boy. So he welcomed me and he insisted that I jump on his back and get brought in here. And he put me on the couch, then he then he assumed the character we all know that is Theo Von.

But

I actually wanted him to jump on my front, dude. When people do front side piggybacks, that's kinda like I've

never heard of that in my life.

And that's when I quit hey, that's when I quit playing tennis in junior high school. I'll tell you.

But listen, you gotta be strong enough

to do that. That's a good point.

I could probably I could probably do it to you. You can do it. I'm getting you out your comfort zone, man. You cannot do a

front side piggyback later.

When we finish when we finish this, you know, I'm I'm jumping on the front.

And anybody that can draw a picture of Timothy and me involved in front side piggybacking, let me know. I'll buy it from you and we'll donate a $1,000 to a charity of your choice.

And, you know, can I f you you, f you this? Like a little John Cena thing? Oh, no. Just for promo. Just for promo.

Yes. Let's see what we can do.

I'll do it on this. Okay. Alright. Look at this. And you land on that.

Oh, man. Just lay somebody on this. Just lay no. I'm gonna be like that now and I'll suplex you on that. Right

through there? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'll let yeah.

I think we should get that.

Yeah.

It's that time of year, man.

It's the holidays. Come on. It's the holidays. You know, this is what this is the holidays in America in 2024.

Ringing. Yeah. Are you

a big holidays guy?

You know what? I think I it does remind me a little bit to slow down kind of, you know, which is nice because life gets going pretty fast a lot of times.

Do you think you're more elfish or Santa?

Oh, it's a good question. Oh, I wish I could be a little more Santa.

Do you think you're right? So I'm

more of sometimes a little more missus Claus. Like, I'll start bitching about a lot of shit. You know? Nothing.

Yeah. About nothing.

I'll just get a light shade. But I just gotta slow down. It's just been, like, a a long year.

Yeah. You've been busy. Yeah. What you could do for you're gonna go away or anything? Yeah.

I'm gonna go to Louisiana and see some family, then I might try to take a vacation for a few days. We'll see. Little Baton Rouge? Yeah. My family lives right down there.

So what about you?

I'm gonna be here because I've been all over the place. I'm going to New York tonight, then I go to London, and then, do all this promo for the movie. Oh, you said you

have to promo for this movie for how long does promo take?

Well, it's coming out on Christmas, so I'm going every day. You know? But I love the movie. That's why that's why, you know, that's why shit, man. I'm trying to go as hard as possible.

And, and, you know, and then fucking, come back here and be with my family, be my new little niece. Oh, you

got a new niece? Yeah.

Go ahead. First 1? First 1. Let's go, dude. That's a crazy What's her name?

Can you bring a picture of her?

Or we can't

show a picture

of her? I don't even think I think my sister's kept her offline. You know, my sister lives in a, a, sort of like, she's with a group of people in, like, a forest type thing in France.

No way. You're where? Near Ansi?

Yeah. Near, near Nancy. Yep. And yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. In a in a forest. No no internet. I'm just fuck with you. I'm sorry, bro.

I'm sorry. No. No.

She's Let's check-in on your sister. You know, let's email her a meal.

Let's give her a French French coupon French coupon. No. But she's, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. No Groupons in France, man. No Groupons in France. There is?

No Groupons in a high property tax.

They have high property tax over there? Absolutely. It's beautiful property.

Beautiful property. And they don't want people just coming in, you know, not, you know

Just milling around for $40 a month property tax.

I'm in that age now where I'll chat GBT, like, what are the most attractive low property tax places Yeah. In America or around the world? Oh, yeah.

1 of them was my neighborhood growing up too. I remember our property tax was $8 1 year. My mom paid in cash. She'd write out of her purse. I was like, where do we live at?

Wait.

Who she give it to? The guy that came by. Was it a legit guy, you think?

He looked pretty legit. He had his all of his buttons on his head.

He had a hoodie that said government. Yeah. He had a couple of them. Yeah. She just gave $8.

Oh, man. Same thing, man. I grew up in, like, a Mitchell Lama. You know about Mitchell Lama? Mitchell Lama?

Oh, yeah. The the restaurant stars or whatever?

No. No. No. No. No.

The Mitchell Lama is, like, there's, like, 2 to my understanding, there's 2 versions of, like, good arts housing. You got section 8. That means you're paying, like, under $800. Mitchell Lama, Yep. Oh, that damn Mitchell Lama, brother.

Absolutely. Oh. That's me, baby. Moderate.

Mitchell Lama program provides affordable rental and cooperative housing to moderate and middle income families. You're just talking about Alphabet City, basically.

Yeah, dude. Wow. So what how do you know your you know New York, man?

I like New York. I like I mean, yeah. It's definitely fascinating. You ever lived there? No.

I I I I've just stayed there for, like, maybe 3 months at the most. I would live there. If my if I get a wife and she lives there, I'll stay. I'll go live there.

What's the ideal you know, what does she look like both inside and out?

Well, she looks like probably looks like a nice lady, I think. Let me think about the rest of it. Probably, maybe played volleyball, maybe didn't. Maybe likes to be a mom, maybe. I don't know, dude.

She's looking for to Likes

to laugh. Has a good sense of humor. Okay. Because people that laugh get jokes usually. You can't Yeah.

You know, unless you're just something's wrong with you and there's something you just laugh every now and then. Right. Right.

So Like, so could could you do somersaults?

Oh, I hope she can, but I might try to be some kind of pervert or whatever, you know, but I wouldn't mind seeing 1 every now and then, especially if it's holidays or whatever. She wants to, you know, pop off a damn bee handspring or something before everybody cuts into some lackeys or whatever. I'm down for it. So, yeah. I think I'm open to a lot of different things I think.

Yeah. Yeah. You know?

Yeah. Like handstands and shit. I mean, okay. I don't know

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Mhmm. But I'm also just being more open to it. Mhmm. You know, it's like you gotta be open to that to get a wife, to be like, oh, I'm a get a you know, I'm gonna have a wife and be with the wife. Yeah.

You gotta be open to it, brother. Yeah.

You gotta set the you gotta set your life up.

Yeah. And and how are you gonna get divorced if you don't get married? You know what I'm saying?

Absolutely. And those are 2 crucial chapters of life. That's it. Is is is your is your home, you know, wifeable? Not Is there, like, shit everywhere when you walk out?

No. No. My home is working. I was getting my tree up right now.

Nice. You got a tree? Mhmm.

I got a box of gifts. There's a lady that I don't even know who has sent me a box of Christmas ornaments for the past 4 years. Sweet. It comes every year. I put them up on the tray.

A little mic and a camera in there.

There's the yeah. Yeah. She's just Bro, that's such a good idea.

Yeah. She's just watching you watch

Every Christmas, it's called. It's a murder movie.

It's a murder. Yeah.

Or it's just some movie about it's about somebody who used to love somebody and they're watching their family now. And they send them this random box and people put it on their tree they don't know.

Yeah.

And has a camera in it.

Yeah. The camera in it.

Yeah. Write it, baby. I'm not gonna believe we did. That's it.

What do you watch on Christmas? I watch What would what would the camera see you doing? Well, I'm

we're supposed to do Christmas caroling this year with a couple of fellows from the gym, actually. And so we're supposed to practice on Friday, and we just hired a cool brother over there in Nashville to help us learn some of the lyrics.

You say brothers too. And then I love how you say that, man.

Oh, yeah. We're excited about it. There's all brothers going, so you gotta respect the culture, man.

You know what I'm saying? Oh, man.

Or, but yeah. And then what are we gonna go? I watched Family Man. Have you ever seen that 1?

No. I've never seen Family Man.

With Nicholas Cage. It's a great movie.

1 of the greats.

Have you ever met him?

No, man. But, Matchstick Men is 1 of my favorite movies ever. Yeah. You know You know? Nicolas Cage, man.

What a wife.

But, yeah, I'd like to get a wife, maybe. What about, there's kind of a love triangle in the movie.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's,

So the the women's Joan Baez?

Joan Baez and, Sylvie Russo.

Is Sylvie Russo, was she an artist? I couldn't tell.

Yeah. She she's her real name, Sue's Ritola in real life, but the real Bob Dylan was still very protective over her. She was never really famous. So he that was 1 of his big script notes. He said change that name and, you know, just I think he felt protective over her legacy in some way.

And so he had some notes about

the script? Yeah. Exactly. The love triangle is is sort of 1 of the big you know, like, we do these q and a's for the movie now. People will say, was Bob was his behavior towards the the people that he was in a relationship with in his life?

You know, was it it's definitely complicated, but my answer is always he was he was focused on his art, first and foremost. Also, this movie is about people in their early twenties. You can only have life figured out, especially in relationship then.

She just

that stuff is a mess at that age. So he's kind of between the these these 2 women in the movie, and Joan Baez is a a musician and artist, ambitious the way Bob would have been, and Sylvie's really the more grounded character. I think what Elle Fanning does in the movie is incredible. You kinda see the movie through her eyes because she's not she's not 1 of these famous musicians. She's really just a real person and, is, you know, deeply affected.

Yes.

She was very affected by Dylan and her character was.

Yeah.

That was interesting to see. Yeah. And the things that Well,

she was she's the only person in the movie that doesn't have transactional relationship with him. Right. Really loves him for who he is. And, you know, that that was our theory. You know, I never talked about Dylan, but I feel like that's why I think he's still fond of that relationship in private about it because if maybe the rest of his life could be confusing I'm not I don't wanna speak for him, but confusing about, like, who's being genuine with me and who's not.

She was always the clear day 1.

Clear candidate. Yeah. Wow. That's interesting.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I found, like, when I was watching it yeah. You're kind of rooting. It's weird because who you're rooting for changes almost from scene to scene in the movie.

Yeah. You know?

No one's, like, great, besides Elle Fanning, everyone comes off a little Real. Yeah.

Yeah. Hopefully. Yeah. Like, you know, flawed like in a human way.

Flawed in a human way in a little especially in your early twenties, man, you're trying to figure out your life.

Oh, dude. They won't even yeah.

Were you a saint in your early twenties? Dude. No. I was

I mean, I was a Saints fan. I'm a New Orleans Saints fan, but I was not,

I was that you're at the game. Like, bucket.

I mean, I had on maybe a you know, I might have had on a Drew Brees jersey.

Drew Brees jersey on your 16th Miller Lite. Dude. Yeah. Yeah. That's for sure.

That was

but no. Yeah. It's like yeah. How do you even get start to get things figured out? But that's 1 thing that I liked about it.

I like seeing the different and I like that there was, like, okay. What's this relationship like over here gonna happen? What's this relationship like over here gonna happen?

Yeah.

And then just seeing, like, I did get a better idea of, like, oh, okay. Bob Dylan was just kind of, like, affected dude that he kind of was maybe better than he thought he was or or he was actually so great and they tried to manipulate him. It was just all so confusing. You know? Like Yeah.

And I think it was confusing to him and it was like Exactly. It was a it was all it was just a lot going on, and he seemed like a unique person and probably like a secretly sensitive guy. And so for all those things to happen, you know, so quick to him and then from him to try to figure it out and navigate what was real. I don't know.

Man, exactly. And that's something I can relate to. Not not in the relationships necessarily in my life, but, you know, you feel like your career gets going. I don't know how you feel about that, and you wanna protect your energy and and but you you still wanna have close, you know, friendships and relationships. And Yeah.

But at first, it's very it's a hard thing to navigate. Particularly, if you wanna keep writing, you keep on it like Bob Dylan. You know? And like you said, he was genuinely great at he had a gift from God at that point in his career. He said it in a Ed Bradley interview in 2004.

He's like, I feel like God was writing through me.

And he

says in the interview, I can't do it anymore. He almost says it like like, no.

He misses it? Like, he misses it. Yeah.

Yeah. It's a beautiful moment in this Ed Bradley interview. He just, he says, I can't do it anymore. I don't know how those words were coming to me. And Wow.

Yeah. And I feel like musicians even more than actors. I feel like an actor, like, into your thirties and forties and fifties. As your face ages, you can keep doing great work. Right.

The gravitas of your life lives on your face. You know what I mean?

Right. So the more you learn in life, the more abilities you can have. Yeah.

The more trauma you go through, whatever. And I feel like as a musician, you could still do it still do great shape. It's really like a young man's game. Yeah. You know?

Yeah. Because you have to

do all that touring and stuff as well. It beats you up. For you, the movie kinda tours for you.

Exactly. You know, I love you know, it's funny. We do these q and a's or so I get the backstage experience. My holy shit. I'm coming out, man.

Like, fuck, they're gonna say my name out loud. I'm all excited, and I come out. And then as opposed to a rock star, I'd fucking sit in a chair.

Oh, yeah. And I

answer my question. Watch this. And I sit down, and I try to give poised answers. And just

make sure your posture is okay

the whole time. Dude, it's humiliating.

Posture rocking in the house tonight. That shit is so hard to deal with, dude.

Because I'll be backstage, and it's you hear the crowd, like, Timothy Shaw. Yeah. And then I fucking take my seat. Yeah. Yeah.

And then I'm poised. Yeah. You're like, let's go. You sit down. And I sit down, dude.

It's humiliating.

It's like Yeah. It's very anti, I don't know what the word is, but somebody else probably knows it. But, yeah, I don't know it. But, yeah, dude. I you know what, though?

I think it was I do think that it was interesting if you frame it up like this is what it is. It's a it's a it's a it's a few years in a man's life that was a very interesting man who's probably written so many songs that some young people don't even know that he wrote.

Yeah. Exactly.

I was listening and I was like, no way he wrote that and, like, just some relationships that he had with other artists that you may not even know about.

And sort of the first guy for me in American pop culture that said, I'm gonna do whatever the fuck I want. That's a good point. Yeah. And that was, like, sort of blasphemous. Like, every artist through the last 30, 40, 50 years that, a lot of whom you can't shout out because they they basically they basically burned so many bridges.

But, Bob Dylan was the first. He just wouldn't take no for an answer. He just was fired up about his art and But it's a perception.

No. I don't think it sounds like anything.

Yeah. But it sound corny because he really didn't give a fuck and it's, that to me was really refreshing to work on. You know, now we live in a time where it's not only not only is it hard to be rebellious about your art, but it's as much about the Colosseum's reaction. You know, you think about a clip you like online or or, something you like or don't like, the first thing you do is you go to the comments. It's as much about how people are reacting, you know what I'm saying, as it is about the the actual thing.

Right. So in some ways, it's harder now. It's kinda harder now.

Because not only you have to manage what you present, but you have to manage also how what I don't know what Or

you get it. No. No. But the yeah. I was just trying to say and also to avoid that, that's kinda what I'm doing these days, man.

I'm just you just kinda, like, you have to bury your head so far. Even, like, the pictures from the premiere, I'm just, like, you know, I just try to put the shutters on because it's not healthy, man. You know? Oh, looking at all your stuff and looking at it? Yeah.

You know? No. It's weird. No.

It's fucking weird. And then, you know You're not supposed to do it. No. We're supposed to be, you know, like, gathering nuts and berries. No.

That's not like I'm Yeah.

Well, no. They had that first guy, Narcissus, or whatever looked in the river and saw himself.

You know? Yeah. Exactly.

And then he's like, hey. Where are the ladies at or whatever? And you're like, woah, dude.

What are you talking about, dude? You're not even that good looking.

Yeah. Killer rabbit, dude. We yeah. Yeah.

We our our tribe needs to eat.

Make a salad, bro. Yeah.

We got yeah. Yeah. We got people to feed. We have 17 people, and our our elders fucking suffering.

Like, you'd over here, like, trying to start Clairol or whatever.

Yeah. Exactly. Fucking working on your, you know, Yeah. It's like just

a bunch of Dior moisturizer. I'm talking about lip filler to everybody.

Like, what are

you even talking about?

Dude, it's 300 BC. What does that even mean? Stop working on your Raya profile. Fucking help us with the fire we need to put out in the forest, you narcissistic prick.

Yeah, dude. What are you talking about?

I have no fucking clue. No clue.

What about other because you can only do so many biopics too.

Yeah.

Yeah. That's kind of weird. So you kind of you burned a biopic. I burned a biopic. Is it biopic?

We don't know.

I don't know. I burned a biopic and I gotta go back in 3 months and they gotta check if it's still there. And, no, you're right. I can only do so many especially, like, music ones. I'll be honest.

What are some other ones you think? I have a couple Listen, man.

I oh, ideas? No. You go first. Okay. Like, that I could do or you could do?

I don't know. If I keep talking to people, like, why do you sit with him and just talk the whole time? So No. No. We gotta

get you to say something, bro. No. I mean, well, I'm trying to think of ones you could do. You could do

I wonder what I could do maybe.

You could do a Brad Pitt biopic. You know what I'm saying?

Throw it over there right there.

Come on. Put a little sprinkle on it. Put a little sprinkle on it.

No. Maybe if, like, maybe a Brad Pitt, like, was stranded somewhere, like, you know, that maybe, like, a hitchhiker something. No. But you could, you could do would you ever do Mabu, you think? Lamabu?

Oh my god, dude. That is fucking funny. That's an alternate time. I'm him in an alternate timeline. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because you know I used to I used to Well, you

know, there's 2 ways you could've gone. That's what we like to say a lot

of times. Yeah. That's me in alternate timeline. I love

him, bro. I don't know

enough about him. I know he's from New York, though.

You're right. You know, it's a great point. I don't fucking know if I like him. Dude, give me a dirtball. But I like, I like some of his energy, dude.

Some of his shit is pretty bad. It's pretty bad.

Just That's a good point. That's that's how I do feel about him. Yeah. It's like, oh, I feel like it's I feel like he's kinda unique. He he kinda reminds me of, like, Eminem, like, when Eminem kind of, like he

reminds me, like, how unique Eminem was just unique in his time period.

That's a good point. It could be some crypto failure. Yeah. He launched Mabu coin.

Oh, you're gonna be so pissed. Man.

Bro, sorry Yeah. And I'm we're just joking around.

And he started that, conference con con, conservation fund

Did he really?

For the for that, thing I'm sorry.

Oh, you're good, bro. Dude, you should be a politician, dude. You're good.

He's acting.

But what are that or maybe Abraham Lincoln's son or whatever?

I could be Abraham me or you? You. What about if you

Abraham Lincoln's son? Who is Abraham Lincoln's son? Dave Lincoln. Ridiculous idea.

It was Dave Lincoln. Was it? Dave Lincoln. No.

Is it really? Or Ricky Lincoln? Bring who is his son? Tad Lincoln. Oh my god.

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Go to his information. Let's see him. Wow. That's dude, you could be Tad Lincoln, the 4th son of Abraham Lincoln.

Who was his, born with a cleft lip and palate? I'll work with Tim Monnick. We were talking about earlier. I'll work with Tim Monnick on it, you know, and hopefully, there's no strength.

Imagine his father gave some of the greatest speeches, and here he is. And he has this kind of, like, a little bit of a, like, a disfigurement or some impairment. Right. Right. He's, like, how do I overcome this?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

To say something as important that my father said.

Did did he ever? Did he ever? We could change it. We could just give him the speech.

They were considered notorious hellions, him and his brother Willie. He was sick

a lot. He got, typhoid. A lot of people were getting sick back then.

Yeah. Oh, easily. You caught a Frisbee that was dirty and you were down for 2 months.

He went he went

to see Aladdin and the Wonderful Lamp. Oh, wow. In April 14, 18 65, Ted went to Grover's Theater to play Aladdin and the Wonderful Lamp while his parents attended the performance of Tom Taylor's play, Our American Cousin at Ford Theater. That night, his father was assassinated. Wow.

So he was That'll

be, that could be my big scene.

Yeah. Paz dad. And you finally run up to him as he's

Yeah.

And you say something super important.

Who's playing Abraham Lincoln? Who's playing Lincoln? I don't know.

We gotta get somebody good.

Paz dad. I can hardly believe that I should never see him. This is this is some heavy shit. After the assassination, Mary Robert and Tad live together in Chicago. We died at 18, dude.

I can't come on. Holy shit. Tuberculosis.

This is a waste of shit. Attack. It's a waste of pneumonia. Right here.

Yeah. And congestive heart failure.

You could do it, man. Yeah. I think you could do it.

You know, age me down a little bit.

Or Jim Carrey. I think I could see you playing a Jim Carrey 1 day too. I was thinking about that.

He's brilliant, dude. I mean

He's so brilliant.

Yeah. He, have you seen his, have you seen his, he went to some fashion event, like, 2018, 2019. You see his red carpet interview. It's the it's the biggest not give a fuck interview of all time. Yeah.

If we have enough time, we should add 20 minutes to this anyway if we can. This is this is the greatest.

He looks so dropped into being himself. Yeah.

Yes. What? I've covered a lot of fashion weeks. This is the first time I've run-in to Jim Carrey.

Wait. Controlling the room.

Wondering the

streets you need to date to the party? What's up?

No. No. No. I'm I'm I'm doing just fine. I just, you know, there's no meaning to any of this.

So I, I wanted to find the most meaningless thing that I could come to and join. And, and, and here I am. They're celebrating gotta admit it's completely meaningless.

Well, they say they're celebrating icons inside the building the United States.

Boy, that is just the absolute lowest aiming, you know, possibility that we could come up with. It's like icons. What do you do you believe in icons? I don't believe that you exist, but there is a a wonderful fragrance in the air.

You don't believe certain icons

in the world?

She doesn't exist. He's still trying to flirt. That's the best part.

Fire others? Yeah. Artistry? You're 1 of them.

On the good foot.

He's like, you're invisible, but let's smash.

Oh, no.

Yeah. No. I, I I don't believe in icons.

That's good, man.

I don't believe in personality.

Yeah. That would be an interesting guy to play because that's really cool. That's a cool scene to play if you could do that. Yeah.

And what is his crazy life?

Yeah. What his life was like? Yeah.

I mean, he was the biggest biggest Bigger

than anything. Bigger than

anything. Right? In the 2000?

Oh, okay.

Yeah. And he

had a show called In Living Color before that. That was, like, Jamie Foxx was on it. Yeah.

He was, like, the only white guy

on it. Yep. Right? It was him. Yeah.

And they had a,

a And now he's and now he's an artist.

Yeah. And now he's an artist. But it's just interesting to get all the art out of your system, you know, because some artists

I think that's kinda what he I think that's what he feels like. I saw an interview with him today, Sonic the Hedgehog. They said, why'd you do this? He said, for the money. But what a life.

Because when Bruce Almighty was coming on me, really, he was, like, the biggest,

Oh, yeah. Wow. What about do you feel like you have to be, like because you're kind of, like, the the the the it guy like, the it younger guy in Hollywood. For sure. For sure.

You know? Does that I know. I know. But does that feel like I don't know. And I know it's like, do you how do you and a lot of that is a lot of times curtailed by, like, the industry.

Like, you're

Yeah.

Of course. You have a you have, like, I thought you'd come with, like, in a tank or something. Like, you drove over here by yourself.

Yeah.

Yeah. So definitely, kind of, I guess, maybe against what I was thinking, which doesn't mean anything. But do you worry about how do you still be yourself and find yourself at a time when you could be so maneuvered by, so many bigger

Listen, man. Not to bring you back to the movie, but that's where Bob Dylan so influential. No. This is perfect. No.

Because Bob always followed his path. And what's what's interesting about the movie industry instead of like, as opposed to the music industry. The music industry, you write your own music, you know. And it's direct to the consumer in some sense. Like, you do whatever the fuck you want.

And if people are vibing with it, you'll know and whatever. In the movie industry, you do kinda have to there you you you gotta be reliable. You know? A musician, you show up whenever you want. They could be rock stars, show up 4 hours late.

If you're 3 hours late to a movie, they gotta call insurance. You cost $1,000,000 now. You'll never work again. So there's a part of the job that's obedient in a sense. But the best art and the best shit we see is stuff that, you know, is

People showed up for.

People showed up, but but also where they they broke rules in a sense. You know? I was just talking to Oh, yeah. Yeah. And and and so it's a fine line, and I I look at it like this.

This is my inner Tom Cruise where I want movies to be seen. And I don't wanna I don't wanna live an unobedient life, but I also want, at a time where maybe Hollywood or movie makers got a perception of, like, sometimes being out of touch or something or definitely, like, awards type movies, I want, especially a movie about Bob Dylan, I want in all the movies I work on, that's why I did Dune. That's why I did Wonka. And I'm proud that those movies I know I'm not supposed to pat myself on the back, but I'm those movies were big. You know?

Like, in the movie industry or the movie business, brick and mortar theaters, they don't they don't do the business they once did. Some of that's inevitable because of streaming, but I wanna put my best foot forward. You gotta you gotta give back to the industry that I gave to you. That's really my MO. And that's why I'm that's why I'm here.

That, you know, you know, otherwise that's why you can't be the reclusive figure that Bob Dylan or Daniel Day Lewis or these guys were. Because the the the it's not about the bottom line, but the the attention isn't guaranteed the way it used to be. You know what I mean? I hope this doesn't sound like too inside baseball. No.

Dude, I want inside baseball. I just you know, you're, like, a real thinker, you know. So it's not like you're gonna give some answer that isn't Yeah. Traveling through your thoughts and you explaining stuff.

Yeah. So

that's perfect. There's no wrong way to answer it. It's a weird thing. It's like yeah. And then Also, I had

a full ass real life before my career took off, like, in the East Village in New York. So, not that my life isn't real now, but, like, obviously, on these press stores and stuff, the days are micromanaged in some way. But, man, you here's the thing. That's another thing I say. Like, as a musician or as a pop star, whatever, your music can be about your erosion of humanity.

Like, it could be about, hey. I'm driving this car and, this is the crazy lifestyle of but if you're an actor, if you if you lose your sense of humanity, if you lose your stink, for lack of a better word, people will see that on screen. You do see it on screen.

But you seem too fancy. You seem out of touch.

But people are gonna know. That's why the Safdie movie I just did, man. He put me he put me through the ringer.

Really?

Oh, yeah. I felt like I felt

like he was testing me early on. What does that mean? So when somebody's like, so a director can kind of put you through some fucking shit?

Yeah. Look, Josh knew me since I was 21. Josh Safdie? Safdie. Okay.

Because I was 21.

But fuck, Jim, that's that movie. Right? Yeah. That's 1 of the best movies.

There you go, man. And good and good time. You know, good timing with Robert Pattinson. He directed too.

I haven't seen that. I'm seeing Robert Pattinson for after for later.

Yeah. Yeah. For sure. For sure. But, you know, like, early on, we had stuff that could have been stunt guys on this movie, on on Marty Supreme.

And I saw him wanting me to do it. And part of me is like, this feels like a test. You know? And I wanted to show him. And then I now I feel like I've emerged from the other side with no broken bones or whatever.

Thank god. But and and and Josh I'm I'm supposed to be talking about the Bob Dylan movie, but Josh is

Okay. It's all you acting.

Yeah. Josh is the real deal, man. Like and seriously, like, Josh Safdie. He's like the modern day Scorsese.

I wanna meet that guy.

Oh, dude. You would love him. That's him? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. I would like to meet him. Yeah. And he could play Abraham Lincoln.

He could play Abraham Lincoln.

Can you play Ted Lincoln?

I could play Chad Lincoln. Tell him right now. His brother's an actor, Benny. You ever see, you saw the Nathan Fielder Show with Emma Stone on Showtime? No?

Yeah. Yeah.

That's his brother.

I've seen Nathan Fielder Show. Yeah. Wow. That's cool.

Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

That must have been awesome, man. Because he's a that guy that that uncut Jim is so good. I look forward to seeing that.

Yeah. This is a crazy crazy fucking So directors can

do that. So sometimes it's like that. It's gonna be a journey. It's gonna be a journey. Yeah.

And What

was the biggest journey through the, through the, unknown? I just wanna get the name of it right.

A complete unknown Christmas day.

Through, what was oh, yeah. Leave it like that.

What was

the biggest journey through a complete unknown on Christmas day?

Yeah. It's kinda you know the biggest Christmas day. It's just Christmas. It's only on Christmas you can see.

It comes out on Christmas day.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Biggest journey was the music and the voice. And also, I've never had my phone off the entire movie.

I had 3

months off the whole movie.

Yeah. I had 3 months to play this guy. And the rest of my life I never get to play him again. So I just want I was I was locked in. Also, you're never supposed to say you're competitive but I want you know, there's been a lot of music biopics.

Yeah. And I wanted to do a great fucking job, man. I love Bob Dylan. I love this artist. None of this is for granted.

This little misconception about actors too in acting, you can have a cushy job on a TV show. If you don't give a fuck about your work, it could be a great lifestyle. Right? You're making, like, high 6 figures, maybe low 7 figures, and you're just showing up. You know what?

If you give a fuck about what you're doing, these are these are long ass days.

Wow.

You know what I mean? These are 14 hour days, 6 days a week sometimes, you know, 3 months. Look, I know I know people got it way harder, but I wanna feel that grit. You know? Or I I I wanna feel it.

You know? I hope people don't laugh at it. I fucking really I I feel like I'm the hardest working man. Anyway, maybe I shouldn't say that. But, but No.

You respect

what you do. Yeah.

Because you got to. What else is the point? I talk about this with friends a lot. Like, this is too weird a lifestyle to be Nonchalant about. Yeah.

Why do this? Yeah. If you're not gonna go as hard as possible. Yeah. Imagine On Marty Supreme, I'm wearing contacts because he wanted my eyes to be little.

Mhmm. So he gives me real glasses that fuck my eyes up, and I'm wearing contacts underneath to offset what the glasses are doing. And my vision was my vision was basically fucked up until a day ago. Every time I took these glasses off, my my vision was skewed. Wow.

You know?

You're like the Forrest Gump of sight or whatever.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Sort of.

Dude, Forrest Gump is, we had the Forrest Gump ping pong coaches. Same. Lovely couple in LA, Diego and Wei. Been married 40 years. Wei is a Chinese ping pong champion.

Nuh-uh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. From the eighties.

She pretty cool?

She's like we would train Yeah. Wei. Wei Li. There she is. There she is.

Marty Supreme.

That's my ping pong coach. Know, we train for 3 hours, and then she said, let's play for real. And she's, like, she's probably, like, £97. Oh. She's, like, 5 foot 1, and she's just, like, yeah.

Unbelievable. You're not getting a point across. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. That's beautiful.

A little

bit of that. Do you, yeah. Did you have to so your phone was off for that long, so you just locked in. And what would you do? Just go to do you sleep on set?

Or what do you do? What's that like?

I sleep on set. You know, method acting, that gets like a bad rap. People think it's just like a person being a prick and obliging everyone around them to subscribe to a reality that's not real. The the thing I came up with, I call it man. Oh, dude.

That's just everybody's stepdad as well.

You know? Exactly. Exactly. It really is. Meth addict.

You gotta eat a bear. Yeah. Exactly. And you yeah. And, yeah.

Damn it. Give me that goddamn Miller Lite. But, but, dude, I call it I call it method energy because, you know, you you know, you'd shit on me too if I'm coming off like a dick. But, you know, I just tried to no cell phones. Nothing that reminds you of the present.

And Wow. Try to treat it like Bob Dylan as much as possible, especially you're playing somebody that iconic. That was tough too. He didn't feel like an icon when he was himself. He was just living his fucking life.

So if you talk to too many people that, you gotta avoid earworms.

Oh, that's somebody putting something in your head that's that says it's in there.

Yeah. That's why Edward Norton I love him. He's great. Pizzeria movie. But he's, like, Edward Norton is a little bit his character in the movie Birdman, if you ever saw that.

He's, like, a very confident, opinionated actor. So I would kinda have to, you know and then he caught me watching Rounders 1 day.

Oh, yeah.

And then he then then it was over. Then he knew he had me.

That's, like, yeah, for watching another movie that some movie that some guys He called me in there, make me

feel like, oh, you like Rounders? And I was like, alright. Now now we're gonna talk.

Oh, hold me for a second. Yeah. Yeah. That's a lot.

Yeah. I'm still jumping on you at the end of this. Oh.

Get ready. As long as it's on the front, brother.

Yeah. Get ready. Get ready. Calm down, man. Get ready.

Get ready. Just get a little to Hollywood for you. I'm getting you at your comfort zone.

I've I've been out of

my comfort zone since I was born. Yeah. Alright. Fair. Fair.

Fair.

I yeah. I never subscribed to it. I never or I never got the keys, whatever. You know the code they give you in high school to your locker?

Yeah. You never got that.

I remember going up to my comfort zone and being like, I don't think

this is What's the most comfortable you've ever felt in your life?

Oh, that's a great question. The most comfortable The

most in your body, no drugs, no alcohol.

Probably after, like, a sauna and ice bath type type Oh,

you do ice baths?

Yeah. Yeah. I'll get in there, dude. I'll oh, yeah. I'll freaking just I'll lay in a polar bear's ass, brother.

I like it I like it like that.

Oh, yeah.

I like it just brisk like that. You know? I love that. Would you go to the Arctic? Oh, yeah.

We go up there. Mister Beast just went up there. He went to Antarctica. Woah. I don't know what he but he said there was nothing up there.

There's not even, like you came, like, hey. Let's go somewhere and, like, no. You can't.

I don't get how that stuff works, man. Where does he get where does he get the money? He's just He's just huge,

I guess he just has a lot of just expendable income to be that guy, you know.

That's the other thing, like, where I wanna be humble about putting movies out there. People's attention are elsewhere is elsewhere now. It's great. Yeah. And you gotta convince someone to see a complete unknown on Christmas day and take the $15 or 20, whatever the fuck it is now.

And instead of watching, you know, mister Beast in the Arctic Well,

mister Beast has a show actually that comes out right before that. It's like a week before, but but, he was just we're just talking here today, and it's interesting. Yeah.

Yeah.

And it's an interesting show. Totally different, though. But 1 thing that's great about your movie is that, first of all, you just get you also just in addition to whatever's going on with the movie, you get to hear, like, great music. Yeah. It's great music.

Great great music. It's great music. You get to remember, like, Woody Guthrie. Yeah. Who played Woody Guthrie in it?

Scoot McNary. He's amazing. Yeah. He's amazing. I took

a picture of him.

Scoop McNary. McNary.

Yeah. Look at him before something happens to him.

Yeah. And he and he doesn't have a line in the movie. He doesn't have a line because he's because he's so sick because he's so sick.

That was pretty awesome. Yeah. We had Bernie Sanders on, and he was saying that, he said Pete Seeger was 1 of his, favorite music.

Scoot McNary could play Bernie Sanders in a biopic.

Oh, he

could. Right? Yeah. Totally could. Dude, you

could play Ronald Reagan's son, Ricky Reagan or whatever.

Is that a real guy? Uh-huh. Is that a real guy?

Probably, dude.

Bernie Bernie hasn't aged.

Nah. Bernie still looks the same. He's the best dude. He's the

same the last yeah. He's like a real folk hero.

It's a great point.

Yeah. Bernie is is He

is a folk hero. Yeah. He's folk music. Yeah. And you also forget about, like, what yeah.

I mean, that's another thing about the movie. You see the challenge of Bob Dylan, like, take on, like, music and culture. There's this whole other cultural thing that's kind of happening in the background, like, on the television and the news during the movie.

It was a crazy time. It was like the it was the It's

a cool piece of life. It's a

cool piece of life. The sixties were a cool time.

When you get out of it all and it's done

I was beat on this 1. Were you? Yeah. I was

What does that really look like a break? Do you go to, like, a beach? Or just

No. Another thing another misconception about movies, like, as opposed to the academic year, it kinda winds down. You're never winding down in a movie. You're doing 14 hour days and you go off a cliff, then it's done. You know?

In other words, you don't you don't you don't relax towards the

towards the end.

Like, it you know, we were doing a very important scene and it was done forever. You know? And, yeah. I guess I relaxed a little bit. I went on vacation, but I was be I've been work I was working on this for 5 years.

This was, like, this was, like, this was as important to me as you going to the parking lot and spying on the on the on the swim team of of Lipscomb College.

Nothing to see here.

Exactly. No. No. I'm just recruiting, guys. Just recruiting production assistants.

But, but,

do you, so it was what do you think you would have done it more justice 5 years early?

Absolutely not. Also, because I had the experience in my life where I would do interviews and, you know, it's a scary time to come up with the Internet and stuff. You know, you wanna get it right. And Bob Dylan, his early press conferences, he was confrontational. He was basically a dick.

And I thought there was something really inspiring about that. Not not that I ever wanted to be like that, but I just thought it's so different than how people are now. Yeah. Were you were you, Right.

You're just automatically cordial. You just assumed, like Well,

you gotta be, man. We a a, I am I'm not a

great cordial guy.

Yeah. But, b, God forbid, you know, you don't wanna be a fool. Anyway, so but he's these early press conferences, I would you know, if if, if you're tremendously bored and not watching mister b stuff, watch the the the early Bob Dylan San Francisco press conferences. You know, and I just thought so anyway, 5 years working on it, I got a better sense on the other side of it. Oh, this is why he would've carried himself like that.

You know, he had some wherewithal I didn't have in his early twenties where somebody said, how do you do it? He goes, basically, I didn't wanna tell anyone. You know, me, maybe because, whatever the acting bone. Somebody said, how do you do it? And you you you're so desperate for that pound on your back, and you go, this

is how I did it. You know?

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I just wanna yeah. Because and you get more experience that you can put into something, like, you were saying earlier about acting, like, you can keep doing it for a long time, you know. Exactly. Yo.

Can we hear any Bob? Is that a weird thing to ask you, dude? Is that lame? Like like, live right now? Okay.

I'll try it.

Go for it. Alright.

It's it's standing in hold on. Let me try 1 more time. Hey, who is there? Hold on. Yeah.

I gotta give Get

into it, man. Get into it.

Hey, who's at the door? That's not it too. That's horrible.

That was pretty good. You got the nasality down. You got the nasality.

Make up a word. You're verbiage things. And that's what Bob Dylan did.

Yeah. Exactly. You just made shit up. That was good, man.

He verified things, didn't he?

I don't think I'm trying to think who your music biopic would be still. It might

have to be, what about Chet Baker? I would do Chet Baker. Chet Baker or, Chet Hanks even.

Yeah. Do you do that Chet Hanks biopic too? That would be unbelievable. That's a that's a glitch in the system.

Yeah. It's all it's all everything is.

Yeah. Everything's a glitch, dude. Jon Bon Jovi, it

could be anybody. Chet has a new country album that's gonna come out this year too, I think, or not.

Dude, you gotta play Chet. Also, it'd be a great excuse to get shredded.

That would be I would just do it for the head.

Just do it for that. They'll set you up with the best trainers. You got the HGH.

I could do it, man. I'm trying to think of this if there's anything else that we wanna ask or anything else that you wanted to say, Timothy?

Man. No. Just thanks for having me on. I'm trying to think.

I think we kinda covered a lot of I

think we covered it all, man.

Yeah. I gotta water my plants, dude. I just got home. Well, you should

have a place in LA?

Yeah. Still apartment.

Oh, you do? Is it here?

Over in Westwood.

In Westwood. Alright. I love Westwood.

And so, yeah, I get my plants.

Did you Reece?

And I forget yeah. I go over there sometimes. I go walk over there and sometimes I would go for that and I would just end up getting a bunch of vapes and just sitting over my car. But, I, yeah. I would get I just sometimes I forget to wash my plant.

What what I forget to water my plants, you know? And then I get home and it's been, like, a month or something.

Your place is ready to be wifeified, man.

I know. And I always water them. I'll be like,

your mother your mother left us.

I'll yell shit like that.

I mean, like, your mother left.

To who? To the plants. I'll just make I like blame it on their, like, imaginary mother or whatever.

I'll, like, we would have been fine. But they're She left. I'm just pouring water. The punishment is the water?

The water is there. I'm I've given them the water, but it would have they'd have been watered every day if their mother

Oh, their mother had left. Had left. See, it's you're bringing out the resentment on the plant. She left us.

Anyway, this is

Who's the mother, Poison Ivy?

It just it it's just a fictional woman for me.

Fictional woman. Yeah. I feel like the next time we talk, if you have me back on, I feel like you're gonna be a year and a half into a beautiful marriage and a recent father, and, and you will have you will have, you'll have a Subaru. Oh,

but I'll take you know what? If the family comes with that and that's what it takes, I'll do it. Alright. You know? I'll do that.

And, and I appreciate it. Timothy Chalamet, thanks for all the need, Akimin. Thanks for that. Thanks for the movie about the drug about, the young man struggling with drugs. Thanks for the movie about Bob Dylan, and just thanks for sharing, like, what it takes, the commitment that it does take.

Because I do feel that from you. I appreciate it. Feel that it the commitment that it really takes if you really want to take this opportunity and the most of it in your life, you know.

Exactly. Like, you're doing. I I see you doing, you know. You you know, so, you just gotta go hard. Amen, brother.

Christmas

day, the movie comes out. You can go watch it in the theaters with your family over the holidays. Perfect. Perfect for me. Theaters.

Yeah.

It'll be in theaters on Christmas day. A complete unknown. Super proud of this, man. You should be, man.

Congratulations, bro.

Thanks for letting me talk about it, bro. Yep. Yep. That was fun, man.

Yeah. Thank you, man.

I'm back. Holy shit. That wasn't as grand as a star. Yeah. Oh my god.

That's fun as hell.

I'm just falling on the breeze, and I feel I'm falling like these leaves are must be. Cornerstone.