Transcript of JUST&T Married: Monday, July 6th, 2026

Good morning, girlies. It's the toast.

It's Jackson, Claude, and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show, the fast 5 things you need to know.

We'll start your day off swirly. It's the toast.

I sound amazing.

Welcome back to the toast and happy Monday after July 4th, after Taylor Swift's wedding, after a major double recoupling of Love Island USA. Hey, we are back with the two hosts, probably the only two people not invited to Taylor Swift's wedding. It's Jax and Claude. Hey Jax, how you doing?

I'm doing good. I don't feel any sort of way about it. She actually was not very like inclusive of influencers. She doesn't have a lot of influencer friends.

I thought the same thing.

No Jake Shane.

I saw Becca Tilley was invited. I actually only saw that this morning. Yes, she sort of represented.

She did represent the influencer contingent.

Yes, I didn't see a lot of podcasters even though a lot of, you know, athletes do do Doo Doo podcast.

Jason and Travis.

Oh, of course, of course. But, um, no, I did feel like a big fat loser this weekend that you weren't there.

Yeah, did you really?

I, I felt like a big fat loser.

Oh, I— so I don't know if you're joking.

No, no, I felt— I felt like a big— emphasis on the fat— loser.

Oh, I just felt like it had nothing to do with me.

No, I was very much like having FOMO.

Were you? We don't even know what went on.

I know, so many people are like, of course I'm so excited that everyone's so excited that we're back. Yes, we moved out to the Hamptons.

We'll recap you guys all of that.

But like, last you saw us, and of course we're going to deep dive so hardcore.

We're in a new studio.

We're going to deep dive so hardcore into like the 3 pieces of information that we were given. But like, there's nothing besides the guest list and of course like what everyone was wearing. And there are a lot of like major shocks and, you know, major snubs.

But like, what else besides the guest list? The, the car that was raffled off.

Yeah, for charity.

The tent. Yeah, no, and the little like musings we've gotten from people, like the GMA hosts like did their best to feed us, spoke a little bit.

The president of AMC Theaters like wrote a sonnet about it and then deleted it. Yeah, so of course our first story will be Taylor and Taylor. So much happened this weekend. We're all caught up on— literally, we're all caught up on Love Island.

Unfortunately, we're all caught up on Love Island.

I just want to say like I'm, I'm ready for it to be done.

Like, I just want to say, and someone like play this for me next summer. 11 months. Okay, I am not necessarily watching Love Island again, like automatically watching. They have not earned the right. I'm not gonna watch when it drops. If the season is picking up steam a week or two in, I will watch, but like, this has been hot garbage.

I agree. After last season, I do feel like they earned my automatic watching. This season has not made me want to. I think they really need to do an internal audit about how they can improve. There's so much that needs to be done. I think that The show is weirdly based on the UK version of the show, but they've taken all the good elements out of it and like made it gross.

No, and also like, I don't like watching with the Love Island fan base, with the voting public. They're awful. Yes, they're wrong with all their takes. They reward the wrong people for the wrong things, and I don't want to be a part of that cohort, that voting block, because then America votes and it's worse. No, and it's worse.

That's true. And I feel that it's an important time to remind everyone, like, we didn't vote for Amaya and Bryan.

We didn't vote. And now this season, Anaya is Amaya, a boy who's gonna go right to the top for no fucking reason.

Thankfully, I do believe Brittany and Trice are— Brittany and Trice are pretty much gonna win, guaranteed to win, so that like we can't have another Amaya, Papaya, Anaya, and Carl thing. But like, one thing about us, like, we are not on the Anaya and Carl train. We're gonna do— actually, we've made Love Island a story because there was two recouplings.

Fifth and final, going into TV recap, we'll talk about Love Island because A lot of you like have your brain cells left and aren't watching, and we won't subject you to it.

So before we dive into all the important things that happen, let's talk about us.

How are we?

I'm having flu-like symptoms, but I'm okay.

Yeah, I was sick this weekend. She passed it on to me, which is so great. Honestly, the last 2 weeks have been insane for me, like the amount that I had to do. And like, getting to the Hamptons was like the final destination, getting to the top of the mountain. And to expect that I would go through it and not get sick is actually like crazy, that everything would just be fine. I mean, I lost my voice. All right, then I had this cough, and then I got like the sniffles and sick. I don't even know what it is. I thought maybe allergies, but honestly it's just been a lot, like getting here.

But we made it.

But now that I'm here, like, this was always the finish line, and now it's swirly summer.

It's swirly summer. We've decided not to build our feather, like, build our own studio. And now all we have to do is like slay.

Yeah, slay all day, which is a lot of work trying to be an influencer for a day.

We are in a Pargi studio. We are, you know, we decided to outsource this year instead of building it in our house.

We're actually vlogging today, uh, just a day in the life of our first day, like first day at Yeah.

Um, first day jitters.

So like we're sharing a little bit about like the toxic workplace that was festering when we build an at-home studio on these family vacations.

Try being an influencer for a day. Try it.

You couldn't even— an influencer, honestly.

I know.

We work so hard. We really do.

Um, and I'm just so excited. Like Taylor Swift is married. We're in the Hamptons. Swirly Summer's off to a great start. We had an amazing July 4th. This was definitely, I feel for me, my best July 4th ever. But I think like for a lot of people, like 250th, everyone was getting my Drizzlelicious was a 250th birthday. American 250th.

50.

And don't you feel like it's the Barbie movie of 2026? My Drizzlicious, my Minky Couture blankets, like everything was doing like a custom version. I loved it.

I love it.

I hope they keep that flavor. It's my favorite Drizzlicious flavor.

And I just hope they keep this like energy.

Well, tonight I do think the energy, like the very patriotic energy, is going to continue because now I feel like I've been trying to keep up with the World Cup and it keeps passing me by. Like, how does one—

I don't know. You can't really like have a family, watch Love Island, Follow Taylor and Travis's wedding and watch the World Cup.

But I've been trying to like get involved, but it's like the games keep happening like while I'm asleep.

Keep coming and they don't stop coming.

But tonight I like— now I feel excited cuz like I know it's happening tonight at 8:00. For anyone who wants to get involved, America is playing against those nasty Germans.

We have to watch Love Island.

And can I tell you something about Love Island? It's ruining my life. Um, I missed Friday's episode cuz yeah, I went to a party on Friday, which I'll tell you guys about. I missed Friday's episode, and this is probably the first, maybe second time this season that I haven't watched that night. Missing one episode is debilitating. First of all, I got the whole thing spoiled. I know exactly who left, and I just had this like thing hanging over me for like the next 2 days. I'm like, I gotta catch up on Love Island because I don't wanna get too far behind. You cannot get left behind because like once you miss one episode, you might as well stop watching. It's over.

It's over.

I watched two episodes last night. It was exhausting.

Yeah.

But yeah, I went to a party on Friday and I saw Jesse Solomon, and I said to him, like, it was actually The first time—

and for those who didn't hear through that, is she saw Jesse Solomon.

And I went to a party.

Swallowed that.

Oh, did I?

A little bit.

Well, I went to a party, I saw Jesse Solomon, I also saw Carl Anthony Towns and Jordan Woods, which was just like exciting for Ben and I. I also saw Bethenny Frankel, and I want to say something about Bethenny. I saw her from a distance, so like, and I was really hot, so like I was not walking all the way over there to say hi, but like she is who she is, you know? Like I literally saw her, she was dance— like literally sashaying her way over to the dance floor in like her classic Bethenny moves, like the shoulder. And it was like, it was refreshing to see someone like— that's what she would do on TikTok, and that's exactly what she was doing at the party. Are down 1,000%. But on my way out, I saw Jesse Solomon, and of course he went over and gave his best friend Ben like a huge hug. And he was so funny. He was like, I can't believe you're here. Like, I guess like people don't know, like I used to be a major party girl. And like, yeah, I was at a party. Like, stop making a big deal, you guys.

I was at a party and we were talking. I was just like waiting for the right moment to address like the Lexi Woods-sized elephant in the room. And we were making, you know, TikToks. We're having such a good time. I was telling him Wildfire Love, his new song, is so good. And then I was like, he was like, we need to like, you know, go to dinner. Like, I love Ben. Like, I just like, and I was like, yes, yes, yes. And like, you just need to apologize to Lexi Wood. And you know what? I feel as though he knew I was, he was like waiting for me to say it. And he was receptive and he was like, really? Like, why do you think that? And I just laid it out for him that like, you sort of forced her into a relationship and then like ganged up on her with all the other girls in the house. And like, we're bullying her. I'm like, you were bullying your girl.

Gaslighting her into like, oh, we're just sister friends.

And he really wanted me to believe that like, it wasn't like that. But I'm like, I saw what I saw. Yeah. Um, he's like, We, we did sort of procrastinate, like, we'll talk about this more in depth at a different time, maybe on the podcast.

Yeah, a live debate. Bring back live debates.

Yes. Does Jesse Solomon owe Lexi Woods an apology? Colon. A great debate. So we didn't really get anywhere, but I said my piece and I felt better, like a little bit of the guilt.

Is he out here filming?

You know, of course he couldn't say.

Really? Was he with anyone from the house?

They haven't started yet. Okay, so I know they usually start July 4th, but I believe they start this coming week, maybe because Sierra is out of town, like, for Aftersun. And I think Aftersun is over.

You don't think there's one more?

There might be one more.

I don't know, but I think it's over because apparently there's 7 more episodes of Love Island. I'm counting. I can't wait for next—

counting.

I'm counting the days.

Yeah, I can't wait for it to be over. So, um, I think that they start this week, which means Sierra, like, won't be that late. Um, and they have a new house because I don't know if you saw Alex Earls in the Hamptons for the summer, and she is staying at the old house.

You're lying.

Yeah, so everyone was like— because you know that orange and white checkered rug that Kyle DJs on? Yeah, they're making all their TikToks there, and everyone's like, are you at the summer house? It's just a house that like some family owns that they rent out to Bravo every summer. I do believe they are in the process of selling or have already sold it, and someone's just renting it out like for cash. And that's where Alex and her friend Stassi, baby, like they're all there.

That's insane that that's where they're staying.

It's insane. There's so many houses in the Hamptons, like why it got to be that one? Yeah, so they're staying at a different house.

Um, I wanted to tell you the tea that I received.

Oh, So before the show, you guys, Jackie goes, oh, I have tea. I was like, okay, what is it? She's like, I'll tell you on the show.

So I got it a week ago, so it might be like— no, now might have been tea when I found out. Okay, that it is believed that Sally, Alex's best friend, is dating—

I don't know this.

You don't know this? Halle Bachelder's brother.

Okay, who cares?

Apparently Halle Bachelder's brother is like an influencer.

I don't think so. Um, okay, like worst tea ever. I literally don't care.

And I was like, I don't care. I didn't care, but I thought maybe by passing it on to you, like to someone who maybe would care, that someone would muster up a fuck. Happy for my girl. Like, yeah, sure, but she seems the type to be happy. Like, so I knew that she was dating Fibula Sally a while ago, and then I heard everyone's dating Fibula.

Who was that?

Um, that singer. Everyone's dating Fibula, and Fibula is going on Summer House.

About cocaine. He's like a DJ with Disco lines. I heard she was dating him.

Yeah, maybe she's just, you know, seeing people.

It was also Michael Rubin's white party. I believe Sally was there with Alex.

Oh yeah, we'll talk about the party.

So much to talk about. But back to us.

Sally was at the party?

I don't know, like Alex was there like with her crew. Oh, I don't know if Sally was like in town yet.

Interesting.

Before we dive into talking about everyone, like anything else we want to say about us? I went to a party. I have flu-like symptoms.

Yeah, I had those symptoms this weekend. Um, we moved out here flying with the three, and Bruno was a wild ride.

Oh yeah, Bruno's here.

Bruno's here, you guys. It's big boy summer for Bruno because he is—

there's so many babies in the house.

There's so many babies learning to start solids, baby-led weaning going on, so much food dropping on the floor. Bruno's eating for three.

He looks huge.

He looks huge.

His belly's like close to hitting the ground.

But I just want to say, like, it's not his fault. Bruno should be £500, like, the way he moves through this life, you know? And I feel like I've kept him as small as possible for as long as possible, but at a certain point— are you just letting go? No, I'm We're not letting go. We are like caging him during mealtime now.

But also, I don't mind that Bruno like carves everything up, but it's like less shit we have to clean.

I know. And then it's like, okay, who's gonna clean up this floor?

Not me.

Who's gonna clean, sweep the floor?

I know, but I do fear the implications on his health.

I know, but you know that Bruno, he's got like an iron—

He's like a cat.

Constitution.

Nine lives.

So yeah, he's having a great summer.

We all are.

And I know I have to protect him, but at a certain point, like I have to let him be him. I agree, and enjoy his life, but it's definitely tough with the multiples in the high chair.

The BL dubs.

The BL dubs. Yeah, he's really like— he's scoring 3 meals a day. Like, it's wild.

What else can we tell you guys? I just feel like let's dive in.

Let's dive into the wedding, to Love Island, to the stories, without the—

to the white party.

Yeah, yeah. Without further ado, here are the Fast Five stories that you need to know.

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Letting them refreeze and eating them like in a sort of new and fun shape.

Mm-hmm.

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Okay, our first story. Taylor and Travis Kelce got married this weekend at Madison Square Garden.

Yeah, the rumors were true, she got married at Madison Square Garden, which now in hindsight, of course, like, it's such good call. Yeah, because it's actually crazy how big this wedding was. Obviously it's cultural impact, like from both the sports, music, dance, everything. The fact that like relatively nothing has been leaked is crazy, and I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that it was Madison Square Garden. Like, I know it's like not romantic and it's weird, but I'm sure they made it insane. I heard there was a castle, like there was a secret garden. It was a great call.

Yeah, lots of privacy.

Even like the arrivals, like there were a couple of times the wind blew the curtain open and we saw someone get out the car. But like, for the most part, nothing leaked. Like, it's actually impressive. I can't remember a time where something has been kept— like, literally Kylie's pregnancy, like, that was the biggest secret ever kept.

Yeah, but even by the end, people start to know. I mean, I imagine that this week, like, things will trickle out. When will the embargo lift? Like, she has to share. She has to. I know the world is so invested in this, and like, why not share?

Well, so I think for so long, like, she had this very toxic relationship, like, between the public and her private life, and she felt like so strong that like nothing should be shared. And I think a lot of that was that meshuggeneh, fabisseneh punam Joe Alwyn. Now that she's married to like someone normal and like happy, I think that they do want to share, and I think there will be a role. Yeah, I don't think there'll be like a Vogue exclusive, you know, she always owns her—

no, but she'll be a Taylor Swift, like some videos, everything will be like, you know, with her stamp on it. Yeah, and I think she'll show— not like— and I think she'll skip over the press and go straight to the public, like to her fans. People love her, people love her relationship. She's had so much like love and support totally throughout their courtship. Like, I don't know why she wouldn't share some of that. And it's not like it was like small and intimate. It's like, this is— we're being private, like Carolyn and John. Okay, like, it's 1,000 people. Why not a million? Why not a billion?

True. No, I do think we will get on her terms, on her platform. She will not be doing anything with like a media publication, cuz one, there's not a media publication that's big enough to—

unless it's like Disney Plus, which I could see there being.

Um, now we'll talk about the guest list. We don't really know what went on inside. A couple of things are being said. They said that she walked down the aisle to an instrumental version of Love Story. They gave out like a lot of stuff.

I heard Cartier watches.

I I heard at the rehearsal dinner the night before, which was also at Madison Square Garden, they gave out like these boxes and inside there were these like custom handkerchiefs. I saw one is being sold on eBay, which is like crazy. Um, as far as like breaches of like trust, that's really the only thing I've seen. Anything else is like paparazzi hounding like random family members who don't know not to talk to the press. I saw this woman like—

everyone's scared.

No, but I saw this woman who was like so sweet and she didn't breach any trust, but she was like who is just so beautiful. They know who to go for. They're not asking Gigi. They're asking random Aunt Carol from—

No, but everybody is like speaking on it. They're not saying I can't say. Everybody's really saying the same thing. It was so beautiful. It was so big, but it felt so intimate. The love was so lovely. They had 20-minute vows to each other at the rehearsal dinner the night before, also at Madison Square Garden.

Lena Dunham made a speech.

Lena Dunham made a speech. She made a joke about football.

I heard it was quite divisive.

Well received. She says football is like reenacting gay porn. Um, I think people laughed. That was what was reported, that there was laughter.

That's my queen right there.

Um, Travis and Taylor sang a rock song together.

There was like karaoke at the afterparty of the—

no, I heard that at the rehearsal dinner.

Rehearsal, you're right.

They sang a song together. The performers of the wedding were Paul McCartney and Stevie Nicks, as reported, right? As reported, right?

I don't think we knew Stevie Nicks as reported that day when—

no, no, we knew Stevie Nicks. No, we didn't.

Yeah, I think Ben and I talked about it when you were out.

Oh, okay. Yeah, then—

yeah, because Ben and I were saying if we had all the money in the world and, you know, I died and Ben got remarried like an heiress.

And who would you have perform?

Yeah, so we were talking about it. Yeah, right. Um, other things that I've heard, just like rumblings, is that like because there were so many people and a lot of them were famous, some of them were not, there were like staggered arrivals. Like the less famous people were told to come at like 3 o'clock.

It's like the Met Gala.

It's really like the Met Gala.

Yeah, I, I hadn't seen that, but that makes sense. Oh, also it was like a major heat wave. It was 100 degrees.

Correct.

The mayor was asking everyone to set their thermostats at 78 degrees. Meanwhile, Madison Square Garden is the Arctic. That's a little funny, not to be like one those people, but like, that's a little weird.

Well, so I believe they did a lot to offset any potential feedback, negative feedback, you know, because they did use a lot of city resources. They shut down a lot of streets, a huge police presence.

It's just a little awkward. Yeah, it's a little Hunger Games.

Like, it's only a little Hunger Games because we got a commie mayor, right?

Right. And he's telling everyone 78 degrees, and you know it wasn't 78 degrees in Madison Square Garden. They're, they're gonna break the grid.

Yeah, but I do think they, you know, they did their $26 million donation to various charities throughout New York City. You know, cancer research, hunger, poverty. They did it in Cleveland too. They were trying to offset, you know, the billionaire, um, eat the rich sort of narrative, which I think is a great move. Oh, 100%. You can't be mad at someone who donates to Memorial.

Okay, for— I'll have a lot of $100 million weddings if that also means we get $26 million to charitable causes.

Correct. And I think that like a lot of people were mad that like police resources were being used, but like, I don't know, shit happens at Madison Square Garden all the time. Like, that's the police's job.

Yeah, I wasn't so mad about that. I wasn't— I mean, I'm not mad about anything. I'm just saying, like, the optics are just, like, a little inconvenient that it was a heat wave.

She, uh, you know, made big donations to, like, a lot of NYPD-adjacent organizations, like, that help, you know, uh, fallen families. So she covered all her bases. She really did.

Yeah, nothing's gonna bring her down.

Let's talk about TNT, which is, like, kind of the byline that everyone was given. Like, I feel like people were allowed to post, like, their outfits and stuff, like, a day later, because everybody posted at the same time. And it was like, it's a love story. Everyone had the same caption. It was like TNT. Literally nobody wrote Taylor Lavis. Everyone wrote TNT. And then the big billboards after the ceremony, which—

what in the word art was that?

What in the AT&T sponsorship? I thought it was a commercial.

I thought AT&T owns that billboard and that they made—

no, TNT was like their thing. I understand the new hashtag. And I just want to say, like, I don't think it's good.

Like, what was the font? What was the color?

Yeah, it was very, um, word art. It was shocking. It was shocking. And it was pink, so I really thought it like T-Mobile.

They could have had like a beautiful like script font, something that looks like a wedding invitation.

And I thought that actually was like a little Hunger Games, like letting the public know that we've been married. I loved it, but I could see how like a true like commie would hate it. Um, but I loved it.

I just, I, I like the— it's fun that they're like letting everyone know even though they're not giving us anything. But like, what was that image?

No, and I think the slogan itself was bad too, like just to add married, just TNT married. Yeah, I didn't like TNT like being the thing.

I'm fine with TNT, just to T—

like I didn't like just TNT didn't he marry? Oh, Adam Sandler, um, officiated. Officiated. People are having a field day. Like, I'm on like the truly mentally ill side of Twitter, um, so people are like, she had a Zionist. Like, yeah, she did. Um, I kind of love that.

Yeah, she did.

Yeah, she did. That's my girl right there. Um, I think that she probably, uh, like, when you think of who could have officiated, I never would have guessed Adam Sandler, but it's a perfect choice.

No, I can't even say it's a perfect choice Like, never would have guessed it. It's honestly a strange choice.

There must— oh, I disagree.

There must be more to their threes relationship.

No, I think that individually they both have really good relationships with him. Like, he and Taylor have been like longtime friends. Like, the girls— I think, um, his daughters when they were young like loved Taylor, and she's always like, you know, invited them to shows.

I think that's insane. I, I, I think it's so great. I like it so much. I have like—

it's like how Kris Jenner does weddings, mostly gay.

But I think that that's like crazy. But I also think it's a little crazy when people have like their friends officiate weddings in general, not like just singling out Taylor and Travis. Like, I don't think they have a spiritual leader like in their life? I think they should look for one. Wow. I think they should. I think that's like an important thing. Oh, I think it's perfect to have like some sort of just like a, like, non-personality figure in your life that's like— I don't know, but I'm not saying it's them and Adam Sandler is my issue. I think in general, like, even when Carl married Kyle and Amanda, I'm like, right, that's not like sweet.

No, people do it. I actually— I don't—

it's not my favorite.

When we were talking about the wedding for like months, never once did I think who's gonna officiate. I don't know why, like, she's gonna— yeah, I don't know, like, I never— when you talk about colors, it'll be like— I never thought it was gonna be— and you know, when I found out it was Adam Sandler, I actually thought it was perfect. Like, I think that they both have individual, like, friendships and relationships with him. I think they've actually all gotten even more close since that, like, Taylor and Travis got together, and I think it's perfect. And he is this sort of, like— I know everyone's like hates him because he's Jewish, but like, he is this sort of, like, beloved, non-controversial figure.

Yeah, I like it. I, I don't— I dislike the concept, but as far as like choosing someone within the concept, and he's a good choice.

You have to be careful because Taylor has done like so many things with people who she doesn't talk to anymore. And when we'll talk about the guest list, we'll talk about, you know, the people who are missing. But I think that like, I can't see a world in which you ever really like have beef with Adam Sandler. So it's sort of a safe choice in the sense that like, it's not going to be like we look back on these pictures 10 years from now and it's like, oh, it's great, but Adam Sandler, we're not friends with him anymore. I think he's very unoffensive.

No, it should have been like Jay Shetty.

He married Ben and JLo. He doesn't have a great track record in terms of like divorces.

Like a serious individual. Yeah, that's just what I'm looking for. But I'm not to make it about like me and my preferences, I'm just saying like that's the vibe I like.

Let's talk about the guest list.

Let's— I mean, so it was everyone in Hollywood except for Blake Lively. Blake Lively, Kelly Teller, the Kardashians, just Beaver.

Yeah, like the Kardashian circle, which includes the Biebers.

We knew the other front.

Yeah, it's literally—

it's true.

Like, there's two major parties, like Republican and Democrats, in Hollywood. It's the Taylor adjacent and the Kardashian adjacent. The whole Scooter Braun. But that's what's crazy is that Karlie Kloss is like very much a part of that party, like connections-wise. Like, she is more connected to the Kardashians. When I saw her leaving her house in a gown, I actually choked. Then it was rumored that like she got dressed up and left so she— people would think that she was at the wedding, but she actually wasn't. Her makeup artist then, you know, started posting like TNT, TNT to like let everyone know she was in fact there. When I tell you I was shook.

I think that's so nice that she was there. I think weddings, even if you've like fallen out of touch with people and the, the prevailing narrative is that like Taylor felt like Carly was like telling stuff about her and her business to Scooter. Yeah.

Uh, the only real proof is like Ashley, Alvignon, who's Taylor's like best friend, this like stylist girlie who's like always with Taylor— when the breakup between Karlie Kloss was like, people were suspicious of stuff, she was liking tweets that implied that Karlie was sharing stuff about Taylor's personal and professional life with Scooter Braun.

Okay, so that's like new news to me. And if that's the case, then like of course cut out.

When the words of sister come back in whispers that prove she was not—

there's a lot about like, for me be like Taylor and Carly, it's gay lore.

No, it's really not.

Okay, so you don't believe gay lore? I don't believe gay lore.

Yes, I don't believe gay lore.

I don't believe gay lore.

No, I don't.

Okay, um, because if it's gay lore, then I think it's really nice that she was invited because it's like this person that like you love. And I do think for your wedding, it's like, okay, even if we're not as close as we once were, like, come and celebrate me, like all your friends. Yeah, unless you have betrayed me.

Correct.

Like, yeah, even though we're not close, we've fallen off a little it. She was in the stands for Reputation though, for—

I know, that's where it's like their relationship has never really revitalized since that whole era where they were best friends on the COVID of Vogue.

Then they went silent, and then how insane. I didn't even realize the degree of their friendship like until— and it's actually so odd. Yeah, it's so odd. And it's the same with Blake Lively. Blake Lively was there every minute at every game while she was with Travis. Like, it's such a core part of her relationship. The fact that she wasn't invited— um, Blake obviously murdered someone. I know, something so She—

because Carly was there.

Something so big happened because how the godmother of your children, you're not invited to the wedding?

I was holding out hope. Like, I know everyone— and I was wrong, cuz I really thought that like maybe the Baldoni thing made it a little weird and there was like a bump in the—

I do my drag and I should— but I do think that it was forgivable stuff. She likes her friends canceled. Good thing she likes her friends canceled.

That made people think that like her and Taylor were still strong, her and Blake. And like, all of this was just press. And I really did think like I was getting blown up in the press and maybe they were taking just some time apart. But not being at the wedding like is final. Because even people like Karlie Kloss, who maybe she's had iffy whatever bumps in the road, I couldn't believe that she wasn't there.

Even people like a random person off the street was invited.

Yeah, so I do also want to talk about like the randomness of a lot of it. I'm sorry, like you can't tell me her and Jessica Alba are friends. You cannot tell me her and JLo are friends. You cannot tell me her and Millie Bobby Brown are friends. You cannot tell me that her and Jessica Chastain, her friends. There are people who went to the Eras Tour, like in the VIP tents, who were at the wedding. Like, the VIP tent was like very loose, you know? It's like you were a celebrity of a certain level, like you got invited to the tent.

Yeah.

And it just feels like—

Ada Bobbi and Jake Erland, who are these people?

Well, so a lot of— let me say, a lot of sports—

he doesn't look like an athlete.

Let me see.

Okay, so I know we can pin all the athletes. Oh no, like, who is that?

No, I don't know. I can't believe Becca was there.

Bobbi was there and Blake Lively wasn't invited. The godmother of the children, in the song Zenetti. No, it's insane.

I'm sorry, I've heard these two— Mariah and Morris are not friends.

At this rate, they need to arrest Blake Lively because she's obviously killed someone.

It's true. It was like, it was such a loose guest list for her best, best, best—

She's at every suite, every box, Taylor, when she was with Travis. So it's not just like, oh, you're my friend from back then in my 20s when I was single and you're not getting an invite. You were a core part part of the courtship.

Also, I don't want to complain because like these are my two queens, but like why the hell was Miranda Lambert there? Like, I love that little country cohort, Little Big Town, which I understand, like they have—

like, forgive them, you can—

yeah, I'm over that. Kelsey Ballerini, Mary Marcy— I thought both of them like were not friends. No, Kelsey in an interview like somewhat recently was asked because she like hosted SNL with Travis, she's like, you know, Taylor and I were really close for a really long time. It was like kind of a shady interview and I was like, oh, never. She would— but I'm saying she said that.

Well, then she said it was a slip. She wouldn't—

Brad Paisley, like a big country cohort, and they all went together in a Sprinter van. Like, that was really cute. I love that. Yeah, I'm scrolling through this article. Oh, Brad Pitt, like question mark. Yeah, but was Ines de Arimonde there? I don't think she was.

He left with Beck.

Yeah, he's in a car with like a bunch of randos. Bradley Cooper, of course. Oh, Camila Cabello. That wasn't like a nice confirmation that they're still friends because they were thick as thieves.

They were. But that's like, you know, my friend from my 20s that we're not so close with, but like, I love her and this is the— come celebrate our love.

Who am I about to say is the perfect example of like the looseness? The Chainsmokers.

Oh no, Travis loves them. Travis, you have to remember that Travis got to invite people too.

I forgot he was there. The chicks, the chicks, you know. Yeah, yeah, um, I don't know these people. Oh, a lot of her dancers, bandmates, people who have worked with and for her, of course. Chris Stapleton, I didn't know he was there. Okay, Cindy Crawford and Kyra Cindy Crawford.

I know, Cindy Crawford.

Conan, maybe that's a Travis one.

I can't know, but she goes on a show, like that's a work invite.

Dakota Johnson, I don't know if I knew that her and Taylor were friends, question mark. Um, it's not confirmed whether Beyoncé and Jay-Z were there, but like they landed in New York that day or the day before.

Jay-Z was at the white party, right, which was 2 days before.

Of course Ed Sheeran was there. Elizabeth Banks. Banks, question mark.

It's The Hunger Games, so of course she had to be there.

Of course, of course. Ellie Goulding, but she didn't perform. Emma Stone, we know. Eric Stonestreet, which I thought was really random, but he's like a core part of Kansas City culture, so I actually think that's more of a Travis thing. Ethan Hawke, question mark. Okay, wait, sorry, Fergie.

That's your favorite one because that is truly like the essence of the randomness. Yeah. Dita Von Teese, but no Blake Lively.

But no Blake Lively.

And Kelly Teller.

Oh, but you're—

but Oh, she's out on her ear.

Oh, Kelly Teller. Yeah, that was glaring.

It's so crazy that she was her date for the Golden Globes and doesn't get an invite to the 1,000-person wedding, which was one year later.

Like, literally, you do— what did you do? Lots of, you know, WAGs. We know George Kittle and Claire, of course, the Juszczyks, um, Matthew Stafford, Matthew Stafford, um, lots of NFL peeps.

Andy Reid, of course, Gronk and Camille, Patrick and Brittany, Mike Vrabel and his wife.

Vrabel went not with Diana, with his wife Erin Andrews. And then all hosts of GMA. And then the next morning they went on and talked about how, you know, it was such an intimate— but like, why all the hosts of GMA got to be there?

Why George?

George, you know what time I got a manicure next to George? I don't know. Oh, Gracie Abrams. Oh, Gracie Hunt.

She owns the Chiefs.

Her family does. I don't know if like— I think it's her dad.

Not to be like toxic.

Gracie McGraw, Tim's daughter.

Okay, but no Blake.

I don't recognize a lot of these people, so I am skipping.

None for Blake Lively.

Heidi Gardner. Of SNL fame.

Yeah, also like Marcello. A lot of SNLs were there.

Ice Spice, as expected. Hugh Grant, random. Jack Antonoff without Margaret Qualley.

Yeah, Zoe Kravitz without— people are saying there's beef between Margaret and Taylor.

That's weird.

Yeah, but she can't lose Jack, so yeah, she'll make it work.

Jan Rovnik of Dancing with the Stars.

Harry Styles had a show, that's why he wasn't there.

Jason Sudeikis. I guess it's good Harry Styles wasn't there there.

Jason Sudeikis, like, fine, weird, affable celebrity. JLo.

I just want to say, happy for her. JLo's my new queen ever since I saw Office Romance: The Best Movie Ever. And I love this. I need a collab. Collab when, as the kids say. Oh, Jenny Han. She's the author to All the Boys I Loved Before.

Taylor worked with her on the music for the show.

I mean, she wrote the books. Taylor worked with Amazon. She's— and it's like, not Taylor, like, Tree.

She's a coworker. Yeah, that's a coworker.

A big group of the dancers from the Aerostore. We know them from the documentary. Jessica Alba, Jessica Chastain, Um, Jamie Oliver. Who's that? That's like a chef, right?

I think so.

She's a foodie. Oh, Joey King, which we know that they're friends.

Oh, the Lautners weren't there, but people are speculating it's because she's pregnant and maybe not traveling.

She's not there yet. She announced like 2 months ago. You never know. You never know. They were definitely right.

They would have been there. Yes, they would definitely.

Oh, Joseph Kahn, you know, he used to do all her music videos before she did them herself, and she's like, he's always on Twitter like defending her about random stuff. Oh, Julian Edelman was Athlete. Oh, Gronk and Camille. There's— this list is so long.

There's not like one shit off from this wedding. Like, if Sabrina Carpenter didn't find a goddamn boyfriend—

there was like no pictures of Sabrina. She was there.

Yeah, but there was no pictures. There was a picture of her like in a car, like with a veil. But I'm sorry, like, Breener.

And I just want to say, Karlie Kloss looked insane. Like, that's what you dressed to your ex's wedding? And she also wore gold, which like —people do speculate that the gaylores—I'm not speaking as one of them—when they decode lyrics, a lot of it is like golden. Oh, really?

Yeah.

I, I'm not—because Taylor uses a lot of colors. When she's talking about blue, she's talking about Joe Alwyn because he was like always depressed. But also Harry Styles in the blue dress on the boat. No, no, I'm talking about like, that's very literal blue. When she's talking about like, you know, in Peace, she says, you know, your blue days or whatever. Like, when she's using colors, like, he's blue.

Gold is speculative to be Carly, but Gold is also Joe for the Good Times. Daylight. Oh, Kalen Sanders, who's the dancer's brother who plays on the Chiefs.

Yeah, Little Big Town. Oh, King Princess and Suki Waterhouse without Robert Pattinson.

And Suki had to see Bradley.

Suki had to see Bradley.

Ugh, I'm sick for her. And she didn't have Rob with her because he's doing press for The Odyssey. Important, important work.

Laura Dern, Lena Dunham, Liam Hemsworth, and Gabriella Brooks, his fiancée who used to date Maddie Healy.

Even though I'm team Miley, but fine.

I'm team Miley too. Maren Morris. Oh, Mariska Hargitay. Well, of course they're best friends, but I didn't see any pictures of her. And the cat. Yeah, but I didn't see any pictures of her until this People magazine article, which is doing a fabulous job.

People magazine wrote up every single person who was there, whether you know them or not.

Erin Andrews, of course. So many athletes. Oh, Machine Gun. That's interesting. Yeah. Michael Strahan, Millie Bobby Brown, Miranda Lambert, my queen.

So random.

Oh, Pat McAfee, Niecy Nash, Nikki Glaser. Happy for her after all her trying. And she— I feel like she officially redeemed herself during the Eras Tour during that like awkward, you know, um, Miss Americana. Miss Americana. Oh, Pat Monahan, the lead singer of Train. That's really cute. Patrick and Brittany Mahomes. Pete Wentz, a Fall Out Boy fave. Peyton Manning. Oh yeah, all the greats when it comes to sports. Phoebe Dynevor, so random. Yeah, with Cameron Fuller. Yes. Reese Witherspoon, of course.

That's really crazy. She did Crawdads, right?

Taylor did the song. Rob Riggle, he's like sports.

He's like Adam Sandler.

Yeah. Ronan Farrow. Well, let's find the connection.

Uh, it's there. He's artsy, like he's, you know, they definitely have a, you know, artsy—

Sacha Baron Cohen.

Oh, happy for him.

Me too. Selena Gomez and Betty Blanco. Seth Meyers. Simone Biles. Somber, of course. Stephen Colbert. Steven Spielberg and his whole family. The Hunts. Tate McRae, question mark. She's very much like on the Bieber Kardashian side of Hollywood, so it's really, um, interesting that she was there.

Yeah, it is. I feel like she goes to like random stuff. She sort of acts like an influencer.

She sort of acts like talent for hire.

She sort of acts like not as like premium as she is.

Tom Brady, Tom Hanks, Paul McCartney, a Tom Hanks from Toy Story, Tommy Hilfiger. This is so crazy. Uzo Aduba. Oh, they're like OG friends. Um, oh, Vanessa and Natalia Bryant. That's really cute. Wayne Gretzky and Zoe Kravitz. I finally got to the bottom of the guest list.

That's insane. And no Blake Lively. None for Blake.

Funny is that, um, Taylor, when she went on Graham Norton or one of those shows, she literally told us— she was like, it's going to be a free-for-all, you're all invited.

Yeah, because she said her logic was like, I don't want to have a stressful wedding. I think a lot of the stress comes from like editing a guest list. And so everyone that I want to invite is invited. And everyone is like echoing the same sentiments, like it was so insanely beautiful, they're so in love, and that it was so intimate, and you really felt like so close to everything even though it was so big and there were so many people there.

I need more like Yeah, thanks for what we got. That's great. Um, I need more. I need pictures. Somebody took one picture. Daily Mail has it.

Can't believe they're married. Yeah, I know.

It's like Taylor Swift, like the eternal romantic, is married. Like, it's over. Yeah. And Ella the Josie, she has a million boyfriends. Well, now she hasn't. She has a husband. Yeah, it's really crazy. It's a huge win. And not to be like so toxic, but like hopefully she got pregnant on her wedding night, cuz like the way I need an— like a nursery rhyme album, like something. Just lullabies, like thing.

Yeah, I understand. I agree. Well, that's just TNT. I see any pictures of Andrea? Well, she was in there probably. And like, did Taylor sleep in there?

No, you know, her car— like, the thing is, is like she got a new car. I don't know if you know about her car.

I saw the car leave her garage.

She has a new car. It's like, of course she has like these big Suburbans or whatever, but she got a new one because Travis is so tall with like the ceiling lifted. So whenever she leaves, like, people know it's her. Yeah, they were probably in in the— they're probably not in that car, honestly. It's like too much of a hazard that everybody knows your car. Maybe it's like a decoy and they're just in like a Suburban.

Yeah, but they would have— like, they had their rehearsal dinner at MSG also. Yeah, it would have been convenient to just sleep there.

No, but her car was spotted like coming and leaving, coming and leaving, allegedly.

But you're saying that they shouldn't have been in there? They shouldn't. It's like too dangerous. So maybe they're still at the Garden. Maybe they live there now.

No, but like all the staff— like, they're really— there was one photo leaked, and I think when you entered there was like this um, pink tunnel like made of drapery with all these like gilded photos, uh, gilded frames with photos of them. And people are obviously dissecting like every single one because there seems to be a picture of Taylor Travis and a white dog. And that white dog was once spotted on Taylor's like tarmac. People are like, whose dog is this? People think maybe they have a dog, which would be crazy from the cat lady, but she could have both.

Of course, normalize having both. 100%. Yeah, I think everybody is so scared to post, of course, to say anything. So that's why we don't—

I need to know who's selling the handkerchief on eBay. Like, that's crazy.

It could be a fake one. It could be like— I saw pictures of it, so if I'm a seamstress, why not sew one?

It says, 'So it's going to be forever.' Now, I've seen like a lot of rhetoric online, and I told you I'm on like the truly mentally ill side of TikTok, so people are like kind of freaking and like really commentating negatively on the fact that like so much of her music is like self-referenced, is woven into the fabric. Like, she walked down the aisle to her song, the handkerchief has her lyric, but like that lyric is Travis's lyric, you know? That's his favorite song. Yeah. What do you think of like her referencing herself?

I mean, she does it the best, so what? She should use a number 2 lyric because it's not hers. And it's also like, those are— if she had written poems and like she was never a big singer or anything, but she wanted to, like, that this is her feeling, so it's like, this is how she's always felt. I actually think it's so beautiful, and anybody should use it, it's her.

And now, like, her singing Love Story at TEA, you know, like—

and it's like, I think if Travis married anyone, like, he would love for his bride to walk down the aisle to Blake's orchestral Love Story. Yeah, so it's like, no, he shouldn't because it's hers.

Yeah. And then it's like, well, then she has to choose another artist. This and the politics of it all.

No, but it's like, why not the best? If anybody should be using it, it's her. Yeah, she wrote those songs for herself. I have no problem with it. She wrote them for her.

It's her story. Yeah, yeah.

Okay, well, that's just TNT until further notice and until we get more information.

I need more information. Like, not to be ungrateful, like, I'm so happy for you. Take your time.

No, I'm ungrateful. I'm happy to be ungrateful because we didn't get anything.

Yeah, where do you think they're honeymooning? I heard the Bahamas. Dramas.

Oh, they do like that, right? Yeah. I mean, their whole life is a honeymoon. I don't really think— they've been on a honeymoon for 3 years.

I don't know if they need to like jet off.

I don't think it's like that, but I think they will.

Taylor, so you have to remember, like, this is our corny choogie queen. Like, she's going to Sandals Resort. Like, she is.

Our next story, the other party of the weekend, Michael Rubin's white party, took place a couple days before July 4th so that guests didn't have to choose between his party and Taylor Swift's wedding, which, you know, there's not really a choice to be done there.

Actually, there would have been people at his party, but it was just He did, um, there wasn't that much crossover, by the way. He did say— he did confirm that, like, I think he did an interview or something with people.

He said he didn't want people to have to choose between his and the, and the, and the wedding.

And like, just admit that, like, you didn't want to lose people because no one was going to choose to choose your party. Um, I have such a hot take. I feel like there was like a couple of years where like the white party was like, like the level of Taylor's wedding, like the anticipation, who was there.

There was 2 years, they had two good years.

I feel like seriously it was actually a bad look to be there. Not to be like a jealous wench because like I was sitting at home with my flu-like symptoms, but but I don't know, it looked like really loser-y. It did not look cool.

And I don't know why, 'cause it was the same as always. You know, the same people.

I know, it's always like a lot of athletes.

And it was the same, you know, caliber of party in terms of production and performances.

Yeah, I wasn't inspired. Celebrity.

It's just been done now. Like, show me something new. Yeah, and I also don't know who Michael Rubin is.

I feel like in the first few years it was like, who's this guy? Like, why is everyone at his house? There was a lot of mystery, a lot of intrigue. Now it's just like a bunch of people hanging out. I don't know.

Like the groupings of people were so shocking, you know, last time we saw it. But like, now we've seen it, we've seen all this, so like give us something new.

Yeah, like the most— for me, the most interesting attendant was like Alex Earle. Apparently she was with Tom Brady again.

Yeah, yeah. No, I've seen these pictures before.

It could be any year. Yeah, so I didn't see a bunch of news except that like Tom Brady and Ice Spice seemed to be making out, but then they clarified that they were sharing a Alicia Keys performed.

Oh, Jake Paul and Yuta Leerdom were there, which is exciting for us. That is like the one new thing I feel like I saw.

Oh, I feel like he was there every year. Like, this— seriously, I'm so unmoved by this. But maybe it's like my, my bar has been raised with Taylor's wedding. Like, there was just nothing besides Taylor's wedding that was going to get me.

But even before Taylor's wedding, like, we saw these pictures. I feel like I saw them last year and the year before. I'm— there's nothing new here.

Yeah, it just I don't know, I'm— I don't really like care, you know? Yeah, I agree. Um, I didn't see a lot of like news being made.

No, me neither, or any shit-offs. No, Kim wasn't there. Usually she— none of the Kardashians were. Yeah, so if Kylie and Timothée were there, like maybe I could muster up a fuck, but no. Where were Kylie and Timothée this weekend? Where do you think they spent the Fourth?

I think— feel like they were in Palm Springs. Like Khloé had her color run, but I didn't see Kylie there.

I wonder where she was. She's gone dark a little bit.

Yeah, it was a lot of public during the Knicks.

Yeah, no, it was a lot. Maybe they're just like relaxing. She loves Turks and Caicos.

Maybe we'll get like a Knicks baby from them, you know? It's like an exciting time. I love that.

Our next story, switching gears— actually, I'll do this next. It's a twofer. Some new couple news, some rumored couple news, because sources are are saying Lindsay Hubbard was spotted with Matt James as a source claims that they got flirty at a PR event.

Yeah, I saw this and I definitely— it piqued my interest.

I don't like it. I like it.

Okay, I think that—

why? Uh, because I like it, right?

I like this for Lindsay in terms of like, I like her getting back out there. I like her dating celebrities. I think it's always good to like, you know, as as a— she's a, she's a female celebrity. Like, this is what you do. And I like that she's like dating out of her show. Like, yeah, I don't know, I get like a spooky vibe from Matt James. I feel like he's not a good boyfriend.

Really? Yeah.

I mean, of course we have to talk about the Rachel Kirkconnell of it all. Like, that was really weird what he did. Now I think like her going on Call Her Daddy and like, you know, telling everyone what color his underwear was, like, that was more of a knock on her in my book. And I don't think she said anything like that crazy about him other than the fact that like he was like kind of like nuts about going to restaurants and taking pictures. Yeah.

Um, and that like she always chose the restaurant and it was so much anxiety for her. Like, I feel like it was comfortable too.

No, and I think that like a lot of what she said about him was like more of a reflection on herself. Yes. Than him.

So like, I don't think that she had security issues. She had him real crazy because he was always like, pick whatever, I'm fine with whatever. But she felt a lot of pressure to like deliver for him.

Yeah, that was crazy.

Um, but it all like, it's so much deeper than that. I don't know, I just can't talk about it at a surface level.

Yeah, no, well, you want to do a Patreon deep dive?

I would love to, except like I feel like when that episode came out, like I really should shared all my thoughts. You were very honest. So if you want to know like what I thought about it, go back.

Episode is actually iconically titled Rachel Kirkale.

Rachel Kirkale. And my thoughts have not changed. Same, same. It's like she had a very hard time in the relationship, and I think it's a lot of other people's fault, including Matt.

Yes, and her as well.

Yeah, but like I just felt like the world just like totally just fucking stomped on her. On him? On her.

What do you mean? When she got canceled.

Oh, I forgot about that. And that energy just never left their relationship. Yeah. And she never felt like on equal. She never felt like she was good enough. She was always punishing herself. Yeah. And she always just wanted to prove hers. And like, she could have never come back from that.

Yeah, the relationship was cursed.

And he threw her under the bus. Absolutely. She was like totally out there on her own.

So also to say, like, he doesn't give amazing boyfriend vibes, but all of those—

no, but like, it's so hard to judge him as a boyfriend in that situation when they were doomed to fail. All right. And I actually think like everything that he's done since for Chael He's been relatively quiet. Um, he's like, loves Shabbat.

He does.

He does a lot of Shabbat dinners, like, you know, wholesome family, family. Like, I actually—

she also has a daughter, so like, this isn't just dating like regular.

And so she is— I'm trying to see how old. He is 34, so he's not—

oh, she's more like 38 or 39, but he's not a little boy. No, no, no, no, no. So you're dating a woman— first of all, Lindsay Hubbard is a whole lot of woman. Let alone a woman with a daughter. Yeah, it's not just like your regular old dating. I do think this was probably like a fling or just a photo, because there's just literally a photo of them at a bar.

But people said that they were flirting, they were with a group, and definitely flirty.

People from Summer House love hanging out in groups.

Yeah, I, I hope that there's some truth to it, that they're at least exploring.

Yeah, I don't know, I need Lindsay to level up a little bit. Yeah, I don't know, maybe like a single dad, you know?

I think like she's— ah, but that's so complicated too.

So blended. Or maybe a widow.

I think that she is like— should be the star.

Yeah, you know what I mean? Well, I don't think Matt James is down for that. Like, I think he is a star himself, I guess.

But it's also hard for her to go for like a normal guy because like they don't maybe want all of that, like, you know, TV. Like, that's what Turner was. Yes, right. And that turned, turned him off. Yeah. And then the second part of the relationship news is that Karamo Brown from Queer Eye— my God, and Jussie— this should have been our first story— and Jussie Smollett are dating.

I have two things to say. One, match made in heaven. Like, they just give the same sort of con man energy, and I, I actually love it.

But don't you think opposites attract? Can there be two con men in a relationship? It is also important to be competitive with one another. There's a fine line of like—

I'm obsessed with this. And I just want to say, like, Karamo has done so much press recently in his book talking about like the toxicity of the queer guys. He made like a lot of accusations, like thinly veiled, you know, like— and I just think any goodwill he once had like is completely undone by this. Like, I will never believe another thing he says. He's actually dating, like choosing to date, a legitimate crazy person, a known pathological liar. Like, this is insane. I'm obsessed. I wish them nothing but the best. Like, genuinely nothing but the best.

Nothing but the worst.

A long, long life. And you want to know why? Like, it's almost better that they get together and like not involve other people, neutralize each other.

What that was about, other innocent parties.

It's, it's really beautiful to see. I've been watching so much Love Island. I keep saying like genuinely, they're all genuine. Anai is always like, I fuck with you genuinely. Like, I hate the word genuinely. Nobody uses it genuinely anymore.

And I've been saying a lot of words sincere.

I hate the word sincere. Um, so anyways, they were spotted paparazzi, and people are like, oh, they're dating. And then I think he was on a podcast or some sort of like interview where he was asked about it. He was very upfront. Yes, I've met my person.

This is the love of my life. 100% sure that he's the one. I could get emotional.

I've met my equal. I could get emotional too.

Like, it's powerful when you meet someone who you feel 100% safe with, you feel 100% secure with, you can just trust with your heart. Because you know they are just a great human being and they get everything. It's special. It's pretty amazing. We're not taking it slow. We are deep in love, but that's the reason why we are not public yet, because we don't want comments. We are protecting the love we have because I do believe this is going to be my husband. I believe this is going to be my forever person. I feel it every single day. So Juicy, um, they don't argue, has recently like returned.

I don't know if you saw, he had this sort sort of like trailblazing performance at Pride Denver or something.

He's on Special Forces. Oh right, right, right.

The performance was insane. Like, I highly—

oh yeah, he's a singer and he danced.

I highly recommend taking a look. It's, it's one of the most amazing performances I've ever seen.

It's historic. Claudia, just know you can trust him with your heart.

That's what everyone says about Jesse, right? Like, the most trustworthy guy. Yeah, that's kind of like the leading thing people say about credibility.

100%.

100. I'm obsessed with this. Like, I actually couldn't have dreamed up a better story to discuss here on The Toast. Yeah, love. I love love. You love love. I do.

Well, there's a lid for every pot. 1,000%. Even crazy people deserve love. Even crazy pots. Crazy lying pots. Even funky unique pots. Funky unique, that's kind. Yeah. Now, are you ready for our next story?

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I just know like the Hilary Duff Manny Moore group chat is— Chef Gabriella was popping off because the thing is, is that like, here's the thing, this sounds like a great show.

Oh, 100%, except for the fact that the article is like unworthy of a show like this. And I'm sure the show will be different from the article and the show will be good on its own, but like, and while I'll agree with the show, I don't agree with the article.

I know, and it's just just like she was acting like a victim when like all was said and done I got the sense that like that was not the case. And so now she's— and I just know like Mandy Moore and Hilary Duff are just so over this and she's just dragging it out even more.

But also the premise of the show doesn't sound like the article because this was about like, oh, they're all wealthy and they're all famous and actually she's more famous than some of the other no-names in the group. She just like felt left out and like a loser because I think she is a loser.

Or like it was that Rachel McConnell Sometimes you feel things and it's not what the person is doing. It's just a reflection on your, like, of how you feel and your insecurities.

Click's gonna click. We're not trying to hurt you. It just hurts you. Like, we all connected and you did not connect with us. And we, you can't help who you connect with.

And we're, no, and we're grown now.

We're certainly not gonna force it to protect your feelings when we also have kids that are running around. Right. I'm just gonna talk to who I naturally wanna talk to and it's not you and it's not to hurt you.

I'm just doing me. It just hurts you.

I'm just doing me.

So while this show sounds amazing and I can't wait to watch it, like the fact that that like she's now cashing in on this thing. I guess like I'm happy for her because she like turned out to be such a loser in that situation. Like she wrote the article and it turned on her so badly, like, and she was getting such hate that like, sure, sell it, whatever. But I don't really have high hopes for a show that's starring Ashley Tisdale, I just want to say.

Also, did you see a couple weeks ago she was talking about being Sharpay on High School Musical and how like they really did not want her for the part? Disney like tried to not have her audition for the part. They said, you know, she's on Suite Life and we're doing this movie, and— but everybody who's on the Disney shows gets to audition for the movies, and the more marry her, and she really had to like fight for the audition, and then like she eventually got it.

No, what about it?

Are you just sharing that, or— well, that's like what the story was, but you think that's what happened with the TV show?

Like she'd only sell it if she could?

No, I have like a really hot take.

Oh my God, let's fucking hear it.

Like, let's go. I think like Sharpay could have been played by someone else. Like, oh, I don't disagree. I don't think she was like integral to the success of Sharpay.

I complet— she did it really well.

She did a good job, but like I could see why they weren't like, oh, you have to be Sharpay.

1,000%. That's not a hot take. Like, she was lucky to get the job and she did a good job.

High School Musical is like a Hairspray where it's perfectly cast. Everyone is like central to their character, and I just think like someone else could have done it just as good, that the movie would have been as successful. Now, I don't feel that way about Troy Bolton.

Do people think that it's perfectly cast? It doesn't come to mind.

People think High School Musical is perfect. They don't think about it, right? No, she was good.

She saw the opportunity and she took it, but it was like a fun, easy role. Anyone could have done it.

Yeah, and it's like a great character, 1,000%. She didn't make the character greater— the clothes— and she didn't make the character any greater than it was written. I don't disagree. Okay, I'm glad you agree. I like that. Our fifth and final story is Love Island.

Wait, what was the actual story there? Oh, Ashton Kutcher.

It's going to be a good show. It sounds like an amazing show, our favorite kind of show.

I just feel like somebody could have just like written a show inspired by the article, not having to like adapt it formally and pay her to be in it. I agree.

Or just like write the show separately from—

it also happened really quickly that like, I don't know, it gives really like not genuine from Ashley Tisdale.

Also, I feel bad that I've just like trashed her in every way today. I think I called her a loser. I said anybody could have done the job that she did. Um, I think she's like really a sensitive person, and like, I just don't—

that didn't come through in the article.

I just don't want any of this to hurt her because—

yeah, we didn't mean to hurt you. It just hurts you.

Like, I felt like I was like really hard on her, and like, are you having regrets? No, it's how I feel.

Yeah, I know, it's just how I feel. Empath's gonna empath, you know. Empath slash podcaster, it's a hard walk.

I hope she doesn't listen to this. I hope nobody sends it to her.

Yeah, I hope today's episode flops, even though we know it's not going to. No, I just hope—

I don't think she's a toaster. I just hope nobody sends it to her. Okay. Okay. And I hope that, like, if you were gonna send it to her, you made it this far and that you're not.

Guys, don't send this episode to Ashley Tisdale.

Like, she's sensitive. Yeah. But I'm gonna watch your show, and you shared the producer credit.

Yep. Cha-ching! Cha-ching!

Laugh all the way to the bank, Ashley Tisdale. You're gonna do really well with this, even, you know. And everyone's talking about you. Okay, how great is that? How great is that?

I love when that happens.

And I think she's a brand, and from what I've seen, she's like a Frenchie.

Frenchie, yeah, like a hair. And I—

something from what I've seen of that, like, it looks like a, a good complete brand. That's great.

So she has a lot going on.

Founder, a CEO, female founder. Yeah. Um, she should go on Confessions of a Female Founder.

She's like season 2 coming. Let's dive into Love Island. We have 2 episodes to recap. Friday night was recoupling, and then weirdly they sent home another couple on Sunday night. Things are starting to progress, because total we've now lost 6 people. They're obviously like thinning out for the finals because the finals is 4 people. 7 people. 3— oh, plus Jen, who could forget? So let's talk about the recoupling on Friday night. Not very surprising. What I was—

we didn't talk about movie night. We didn't?

Oh, me and Ben did.

No, movie night happened on our way here. Did it? Because I remember everyone was like, how are you guys not going to talk about movies?

I mean, it was amazing, but this— the thing with this season in particular is is that like I never get a feeling of gratification because yes, I was waiting for movie night. Nothing really has changed. Melanie is gonna get back with Sincere. So like yeah, it was nice for everyone to see that there's an actual crazy sociopath in the villa, and the only person who seems impacted by it is Corbin. Like, so it was gratifying, yes, but when everything shakes out, like these people are not smart. And I'm sorry to be like a woman hater, but like the women in this villa are weak. They are terrible at giving advice to one another. And I'm sorry, like Anaya is the leader of the pack in giving bad like, and everyone just like doesn't make good decisions for themselves. And that's why this whole week was so frustrating, because I feel like it was actually a window into Corbin and Parmita being the only people with like good heads on their shoulders. When Parmita was like, I'm voting for you, Melanie, to help you. Yeah, your best friend and I— I'm team Sincere. Like, Parmita's like randomly the only one who actually sees what's going on.

Calling it a toxic relationship, that's exactly what it is. When Sincere said this isn't a toxic— there's been toxic moments, but it's not toxic. And then Ian made fun of him. Like, that was really important to me. I feel like Ian's one of the few people that, like, I can trust here. Not only are the girls so infuriating, but America is so infuriating because America loves the— and, like, they're gonna keep voting them through even though they're actually, like, not that fantastic, fabulous, and their relationships stink. But, like, they're gonna keep voting those 4 girls through because they like the 4 girls. And that's why I'm so— I wouldn't mind watching a bunch of people be dumb, fine. But if we could put them in their place every week with the votes— with the vote, yeah.

No, it's a blind leading the blind.

And the fact that— and that's why Corbin and Parmida—

I'm sorry, I randomly like started stanning them just in time for them to go home. It was actually nice to see two people like stand on fucking business. Like, yeah, I'm voting for you, Sincere, because I realize you're a crazy person. Yeah. And then Parmida said, I'm voting for you, Melanie, because I'm actually worried about you. Like, girls, girl, girls supporting girls, girls, girl. Oh, there's somebody who actually is doing something good for Melanie while everyone else— when fucking Anaya was like, you know, I'm Team Sincere. What?

And how does the people who watch this show not want Melanie and Sincere to break up? He's a horrible, terrible person.

There's no way they got votes.

There's no fucking way they got votes.

They got more votes than Kaden and Zach.

And so, no, no, so like, if you want Melanie and Sincere to break up, which we should all want because they're a terrible, toxic couple and he's a terrible, terrible guy, then how is Anaya your fave when she's saying, I'm Team Sincere? And her having these like one-on-one chats with Sincere, like coaching him through, like she's a bad friend. Movie night was insane. The fact that everybody like screamed at Casey when they saw what he did, and you know, all those like nasty comments and disrespectful—

he needed to be aired out for that.

But the fact that no one even said anything after— there was nothing to say after Sincere's clips. Like Melanie didn't even yell at him. The girls— where's Anaya with all that mad energy? Where's Trinity? No, because they were stunned into silence. That's how terrible— but now this thing was.

But now nothing's going to change. Like, the shock is worn off. It's over.

But when people are like, how did Casey get voted as ineligible? How did Sincere— if you are mad at Casey for what Casey did, which you're— I'm not, but you're fine to be, that's fine. How are you not 100 times madder at Sincere?

I just want to say, like, and this is the thing people have been disagreeing with me, like when me and Ben recap, they were like hating our takes.

Like, oh, and everybody has Love Island takes our back. No, you guys, you guys need help.

I don't hate Casey. Like, he definitely is not faultless, and he says a lot of really fucked up things, and he could have probably handled the Anaya thing better. But like, Anaya's not blameless. I don't think Casey's that bad of a guy. And I'm sorry, after last night's episode, I ship him and TT so hard. Sorry, they are cute. Um, I think that he just actually never really liked Anaya that much, and there's no good way to, to say that.

There isn't.

And she did really like him, so that's just a bad situation to be in. He's obviously immature sure he's not emotionally intelligent, but like you see how different he is in a relationship with a girl that he likes. Of course. Like there is just not enough hate for Sincere. No, the villa, there's no Twitter, there's not, there's not. And it's very frustrating to watch Melanie, like I'm sorry, her like sleeping with her ass out. Like I, I lost it. I'm like, oh, we are dumb, we are dumb. It's very hard to watch people be so dumb. Yeah, it just is. And so I'm getting frustrated especially because I feel like we actually made a little bit of progress in two episodes ago on Friday night during the ceremony. I thought everyone was just gonna vote for Amora and Gal and then, uh, Jayden and Caleb. And like, while they did, a lot of other conversations were had about Kenzie and Dylan, which should be had, and Melanie and Sincere. So I was actually pleasantly surprised with the results of that, even though they ended up— and yeah, the stragglers had to go, but it's like every time someone new comes in here, they stand no chance.

Yeah, the whole OG villager toxicity thing is so annoying. And it makes the show so boring to watch because nothing ever really happens because the original Islanders just always vote for each other and they always save each other. And it's like, yeah, America can do this, but at the end of the day—

And they're not that much more interesting than the bombshells. No. Not that much more beautiful than the bombshells. So I don't know why like no one else gets to stay and we get still stuck with these same 8 people over again.

The only people— We've had one group of bombshells and now they have all left.

The only originals that have left are Beia and Sean.

Before any bombshells ever came. So like somebody had to go from the originals. Originals. Yeah, there were no bombshells. The season's pretty much over this week, right? So we've had one group of bombshells.

Oh, I think Kada, Kate and Gabe, but so early. One group of bombshells and then—

oh, is Gabe a bombshell?

Yeah, with Kada. Corbin was a bombshell, but he's gone.

Caleb's gone. Soul gone. Jen gone. I'm sorry, I like Jen.

I like Jen. She was— and you could tell the whole—

she was kind of interesting.

Like, she was—

she had a good personality, and I think she got like no airtime because it was like truly nobody there for her. Yeah, I hate that girl. I was so happy to see him go. Oh my God, so happy to see him go. But I want to also talk about karaoke night because that was the first challenge we've had in a really long time, and it was the first challenge that wasn't pornographic. It was so wholesome. I was cracking up. I like— I felt more during that one challenge than I have felt during all challenges combined. And I know they're only doing it now because everyone's pretty much coupled up, so we can't be like fucking—

but now make it interesting. Next, yes, porno. Yeah, now I want a porno. I want to see who's gonna want to twerk on whose man, who's holding out a candle for who, who's taking the opportunity, because who— now it's interesting now that we've got some skin in the game. It's true.

But like, let's make them more moments like this karaoke challenge. It was so funny, and, and the couples did bond.

And even though it was definitely a cheat that Kenzie and Dylan got to stay, but I was glad that there was that sort of shake-up. I do think it speaks to a bit of a compatibility. If you can put together a routine, if you can, if you can execute. And so I think that they did deserve a real reward. Agreed. For doing a good job. And their thing was so cute. Kenzie finally got to perform with her splits. She has a lovely voice. Dylan was right there with her, and they are cute together, and they are— they deserve to not go home. Agreed. But Parmida and Corbin did not deserve to go home last night. But who—

but, but actually, who should have gone home?

Like, Kate and Zach? No, uh, Melanie and Sincere, or Anaya and Carl? Because I am ready to talk. Let's talk about Anaya and Carl. And the fact that Carl came back from Casa makes me sick every day. He never deserved—

why does everyone have to like deal with the consequences of their actions except for Anaya? She does not deserve it. She did not choose him. She did not deserve him. Oh my God, I know. And I just want to also say like everyone's obsessed with Carl. Like I'm not.

Like I'm not because they're obsessed with Anaya and I'm not obsessed with Anaya. No, and Anaya is the new Amaya. They think she's been wrong and so anything she says, they're gonna vote for anyone she's with. They're gonna vote for her even though he's like a random guy. They're not even compatible. They're a bad couple. It's so unfair that he got to come back. I agree. And that she never should have— not even for her— and single.

She made a bad decision.

No, she made it, and she should have— like, she risked her time on the island. She saw everything. Them bringing back Jalen. Oh yeah, but they put her with Nick. They did save Alandra. But you know what, I think she deserved it. She didn't have a live feed into what Taylor was doing in Casa, right? She had no idea that he was disrespecting her. Exactly. She got a postcard also. Anaya got a postcard of him sitting at the pool kissing TT in the middle of the day. That's what you do with someone that you're really into. Alandria never got any of that. Only got sent home and saved by Nick because they had to couple up in Casa, and whoever wasn't chosen by a guy from Casa who they didn't even know yet, and they didn't choose Alandria. So like, she didn't deserve to go home in that moment. Anaya risked her time on the island for Casey, and she should have had to deal with the consequences. It makes it so unfair.

It's so unfair. I totally agree. And I just don't like them as a couple either, so like, I'm not even excited. Crazy.

Like, she obviously didn't like him enough to choose him. Oh, I wanted them to bring back Ronnie for him to be butthurt.

Not Ronnie, Corey.

But apparently Corey has like weird intentions since he's got off the show. Like, he wasn't good on After Sun, and people like— people think he's like full of shit.

I know, but I really wanted something thrown in the—

by the way, I would never forget give you if you eliminated me for like—

of course. So like, how does he sleep at night?

Like, how— like, where's his dignity?

Oh, Brittany had sex. It's insane that there's no hideaway. What is going on in this show? No dates, no dates, one date, one hideaway, one group. No bombshells.

Yeah, it's insane. Yeah, such a bad season. So mad. And like, not in a way that like, oh, you're getting me talking about the show, I'm passionate. Like, I actually have— feel so much hatred towards the producers. I'm ready for the season to past towards the people who watch, because every time America gets a chance to vote, they fuck it up. The fact that Parmedia and Corbin and, and Kaita and Zach were the bottom— Kaita and Zach are compatible. I know, like, people don't like— they have their issues, but, but I also feel like they are a very happy couple. I think that every worst moment of Zach's we have seen on the show, they don't do anything to, like, make him look better. But everybody— all the guys in the villa love him. Him and Kaita are together all day. They lay around all day talking, laughing, having fun. Into each other. She definitely like doesn't punish him enough for the things that he does wrong, but I don't think anything that he's done that she should have ended the relationship over. Like, he went to casa and he explored a little too enthusiastically, but—

and he didn't share that Alana sent— got— took her cell phone.

Yeah, I'm holding— I don't know why, but I do feel like he was asked if he was going to bring her back, and he did. I feel like he chose before she went home.

Yeah, no, I, I agree, but the withholding information makes you look like a liar. Yeah, so I feel like they did this big Casa Amor shakeup to like save the season, and I had hope. And now that all— it's all said and done, we've had 2 recouplings since Casa Amor, like, I feel like it was all for nothing. And I do feel like I hate this season, like, and I hate all the people there. There's not one person I like.

Yeah, I mean, Kenzie's just a mess.

I know, the girls, like, both Kenzie and Melanie— that was a good conversation between the two of them, but like individually, I feel like she always looks like she's going to throw up. Melanie's like lost so much weight, like she's always looked like she's on the verge of tears. Like, this is seriously a abuse.

Yeah, no, she's seriously a shell of herself. I think that after the challenge, like, she had a happy moment with Sincere, which she hasn't had in 3 weeks since literally the time that they opened the doors for each other. And that's really— it's been downhill ever since. Um, and the fact that her friends are like gassing her up, Kada, to stay with him—

the blind leading the blind.

They're so dumb. And then it just makes me so mad that like America will vote for these girls no matter what, no matter how bad of friends they are bad examples they set for women. Like, it's insane.

I was thinking this last night, like, kind of— I know this is a big statement to say, but I feel as though the women cast on this season of Love Island, like, are bad for women.

And I think it all starts with Anaya.

I actually think it all starts— let me think— it kind of starts with Melanie. Like, you have— they're all such big fucking talkers. Like, are you gonna treat me like this? Meanwhile, nobody's getting— they're all getting walked over, like, so— like doormats. They just talk. Kada too. Sorry, they all talk such a big talk. The villa's gonna shake. Like, meanwhile, not one of them has made one good decision. Now, one of them has stood up for themselves. There is not one ounce of self-respect to be had in this entire— I would say no.

Trinity is an example to women. And all— but the thing is, Trinity laid into Casey, right? Like, laid into him at the movie night and didn't have one word to say to Sincere.

So then I'm like, but I think they were at that point like all following Melanie's lead. I think that she thought it was more powerful to not say anything than like to lace into it. Would have him like, all right, I got laced into you, now we can move on. But the fact like nobody even said anything— I didn't even have such a problem with that, um, but it was the way that energy was left at movie night and they all really—

I understand why Melanie had nothing to say. She's heartbroken, like she's embarrassed, like there's literally— there's nothing that Sincere can respond to make it better, so why say anything? But that her friends didn't ride for her—

literally said, Sincere, you are an actual crazy person. Like, we are living in a villa with a sociopath. Every one. We should vote you out.

I'm afraid watching everyone like put together, Corbin, that the person that they are living— that, that's scary to live with a crazy— sleep next to— yeah, liar, liar. So that is a knock in Trinity's. Other than that, you know, she— her— she moves well in her relationship. She's a good friend. She's funny. She wears good outfits.

Like, she's a winner. She's all-around villa islander.

But like, why would America vote that Anaya and Carl are compatible? They had a couple good conversations about volleyball, and then she said— and then she sent him home.

She sent him home.

They had a couple good conversations about volleyball, and then she sent him home. Why are they more compatible than Parmita and Corbin? People just get on a bandwagon.

That's exactly what happened last season.

That's why I hate this show as well.

No, it's such groupthink, honestly. Here we are, like, we need to— and next year you guys will be like, oh, you were right about Anaya and Carl. But like, we got hate last year for like not dying over Amaya and Brian.

We need to to lose the right to vote, 100%, because it messes with the show even further.

Yeah, but like, the producers like that, and it makes like people watch, and you get emotionally invested because like your vote means something, like American Idol back in the day.

Not if Melanie— if, if you voted that, because the way the vote went was who's the most compatible couple. It wasn't like rank them, and it wasn't who's the least compatible couple, because we would have had a different response.

They do that intentionally, by the way.

Of course. But that means that a lot of people voted that Melanie and Sincere are the most compatible couple on island, more than Trinity and Bryce even. That you think— you need your head checked, 1,000%.

Also, it looks like tonight and like the following episodes, K begins to crash out because I think that her and Zach, while they've had their bumps, they are kind of like the Ace and Shelly. They're like the police of the— they police the group and they think that they're like the most well-liked and they've kind of been together the longest more than anyone. They're the only ones who've been to the Hideaway, so they consider themselves the number one guys in this group. I think they thought that they were winning, so for them to let go from that to being dead last with Corbin and Parmita, it's going to freak them out.

Yeah, and she's spiraling and crashing out thinking she doesn't know stuff about Zach. And the thing, she does know everything now. Um, yeah, there's not like a big bombshell, but she probably thinks like, oh my gosh, there's so much more that I don't know, and that's like scaring her.

Yeah, that's like really like mindfuckery. It is.

At least Zach seems to put together that probably America thinks I'm not good enough for you, which is what America thinks. Yes. And he like like, yeah. And that—

yeah, she kind of had her whole experience like sidelined by him. Yeah, she never explored— I don't know if there's really anyone in there like this.

Everybody likes her. No, I'm—

who's worthy of her, I'm saying.

Like, Bryce was interested. Bryce is a good guy. Caleb was into her. He— when he had like one day to explore— Shayla, Caleb, he's too good for this show. A thousand percent.

Get him off that island stat.

But even someone was sitting around talking about how everybody like at the island is so good-looking. I don't— two guys— that's the case. No, but two guys were sitting on couches. Corbin for sure. I don't know, it was like— I think it was like two Casa boys, like Carl and Dylan. Yes. And then they also started saying how the guys were so—

yeah, and then it got like a little—

yeah, but do it that way, you know. And they said everyone here is so good-looking, like Kaida. They just said like, you know, Kaida's so good-looking, so anybody would want to—

of course.

But she has her eyes set from the moment. Yeah, and they, they like each other. The thing is, to have to sit around and talk all day in the hot sun, you have to like actually like the person. I think they are a compatible cute couple. I just think he needs to grow up.

Yeah, he's manipulative, and he gets like really involved in like the boys. Like, when the boys all get together, it's like truly scary.

Yeah, it depends which guys, because some of them are cute. And like, they really liked Caleb. That was cute to see that they were like sad to miss him. Yeah, of Corbin cried. Corbin.

No, by the end of the episode, after his performance, which I thought was cute, and after, um, him and Parmita like stood on fucking business during that vote, I really started to like them.

Yeah, just in time for them to leave. They are serious. They closed off. Like, they definitely had like a weird relationship, but who am I to judge? There's a pot for every lid. Fucking hate that sincere—

like, I can't stress it enough. Poor Melanie. But like, at some point, like, girl, you gotta stand up for yourself. Yeah, I can't have more respect for you than you have for yourself. People care about people who care about themselves.

It's infuriating. It is the tushy.

I was like, oh, we're done, we're done.

And the fact that like he doesn't go and sleep in soul ties preemptively and give her the bed— letting her— he's such a piece of shit. Such a piece of shit. It's really insane. Like, that's not how I want to spend every night. I know, sincere. And oh, I said this and I'd be like, any brand who after the show like works with Sincere, like, you're garbage. Garbage. Who would want that as your ambassador? Honestly, like, I'm not a boycotting— I don't need to like getting like a panty— go through the streets with like picket— but just know personally, like, I judge you if that's who you're branding. Like, he showed up on this show and was a piece of garbage, and that's who you want to represent your brand? Like, what are you doing? Totally.

That is our show. I felt as though it was a great one, and I feel like we got so much off our plate. It's just the start of early summer. We're gonna be here all week, you guys.

All week. All summer. All summer.

Except the last like 2 weeks of August, we're gonna take a little break.

Oh yeah, you're right, don't forget about that. And then summer drags a little bit.

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