Transcript of #2518 - Tim Dillon New

Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day. When I was 13 and I was smoking, my father said that to me. He goes, you know what's a good thing about you? You never smoked them down to the filter.

What a good kid.

What a great family. What a great family.

My sister smoked when we were in high school. I was always like, God, why are you smoking? It's so stupid. Yeah. And then I had to do a play once with Adam Ferrara and a couple other people. And I was supposed to play this something that a bunch of comics wrote, like a funny little sketch thing. And I was supposed to play this like tortured liberal arts student, and I was like smoking cigarettes. So they wanted me to smoke cigarettes while I was doing it. So I smoked like 15 fucking cigarettes while we were doing it, and I threw up. I had a fucking horrible headache. I was like, oh my God, I'm so high.

Wow.

My arms don't move right. If you've never smoked cigarettes at all and you just smoke 15 in a row during—

Were you like an athlete too?

Oh yeah.

Oh, so that totally fucked you up.

Oh, completely fucked me up. Oh yeah. Yeah.

No, the first time I had a cigarette, it's so terrible. Terrible, but I was like, this is great. My body responded. I don't know how, like what you had is the very normal experience.

It was just too much. One cigarette I actually liked. I was like, ooh, what a head rush. This is kind of cool. I go, now I got, I kind of get it. I get why you guys like this.

Interesting.

But I had, we were doing this thing and I had to always be smoking. So we had to rehearse. We were doing it all day and I wanted to try to like feel normal with a cigarette in my hand. So I kept smoking them and then I liked them. So I kept smoking 'em.

Yeah, it's a tough thing because the thing about, and I've been sober 15 years from alcohol and drugs, and I look at people that are really drunk, it doesn't look appealing, it doesn't look good. But when you see somebody with a cigarette, it always looks good.

It looks like, ah.

It always looks good. You never say to yourself like that person's gonna lose, now you'll get sick and die, but you never go, they're gonna lose control of their life. Right. So you look at somebody with a cigarette and you go, oh yeah, they're having one, they're cool, it's fine.

They're using it to help hang on.

Again, I never look cool with it. It's like you look at an actor doing it or someone at like the Cannes Film Festival. Sean Penn. Yeah, someone like that.

Yeah.

Timothée Chalamet has one. He's the size of one and he has one. And I go, that looks fine. Is it small? Probably in France or something. You know what I mean? They all do shit like that. So you'll see that and you go.

You should get a cigarette holder to go with your sunglasses.

Yeah. Like those Hunter Thompson cigarette holders.

Yeah. That's your next move. I just got a long stems with the cigarette at the end of it, like 1920s.

Yeah, like 1920s. And yeah, no, it's, it's, and it's the worst thing because the smell is terrible, right? And it destroys your clothes and it's very bad for your health, obviously. Yeah, but it is one of those things that it's just such a good product. What other product could they tell you it kills you and we're raising the price Every year.

How about in England where they smoke like crazy? You have actual cancer on the fucking cartons.

When you buy them, I was in London and you bought one, there was like a dead baby on one of them.

A photo of one.

They were like low birth weight.

Yeah.

I was like, this is terrible.

And no one cares. They smoke more over there than anywhere.

They smoke more over there. They don't eat the way we eat. Like they don't understand the way we eat.

Gluttony.

They don't get it. There is, there's something called Toby Carvery. Like where you can just, like, just ladle on Sunday roast and Yorkshire pudding and stuff. But for the most part, the portions are smaller and people are more behaved in that sense. But they drink more and they smoke.

Mm. This is it. European World Cup fans losing their minds over Taco Bell ranch and unlimited refills. Yeah.

Oh yeah. Because they get sick when they come here. They get sick because there's chemicals in our food.

Somebody was telling me they went to Buc-ee's and the, the, there was, uh, the soccer teams were at Buc-ee's for the first time and they just fucking couldn't believe it. Of course. Imagine that's your first, one of the first experiences you have in America. You walk into a Buc-ee's.

Yeah.

And you're from Czechoslovakia or some shit.

It's the, it's one of the most American places, as you've said, that exists. You have this gas station, but that's also like a weird theme park of food. And all kinds of other shit that you could need.

Yeah, this guy, dude, LMAO, this is a gas station.

Yeah.

Well, do you see how big they are?

Yeah.

The first 24 million views, that's hilarious.

No, it's completely alien to their culture to have a place like that where you could go buy, the Costcos are alien to them. The idea that you could buy mayonnaise in a bucket or jars and things that you would keep, like, you know, like it's all, they all think we're preppers. Because if you go to like a big grocery store chain, you're buying food for a long period of time. They don't do that there. They buy stuff for like the week.

They have small refrigerators.

Yeah, small refrigerators, couple of days.

They don't have refrigerators like we have, but also they don't have the same amount of preservatives in their food, which is why it's not poison.

Right. They also don't think, and they could be wrong about this, but they also don't think that like they're gonna lose access because of some race war, you know what I mean? Like, there is a little bit of planning that goes into some of these grocery runs that does seem slightly paranoid.

Oh yeah, well, the news media over here ramps you up. Oh yeah. And you, you know, you start thinking about stockpiling gold.

Oh yeah, yeah.

Listen, when I lived in LA when my kids were young, I had an apocalypse truck built, right? That Toyota Land Cruiser I got, I specifically, I go, I need a bug-out truck, like a truck where I could store a lot of shit in it and it could literally drive over a mountain. That's what I need. I need a car that's not just a road car, right? I need a car that occasionally shit might go sideways and you got to get the fuck out of here and you got to drive through the desert.

Wow. And you have— and I've left LA multiple times to make that drive, not in an apocalypse car, but because of fires, because riots, like sometimes I just got to get out of Dodge.

3 times I got evacuated, 3 fucking times when I lived there. Yeah, and it got as close to like burning my fence down.

It's part of the LA experience to get in a car car. David Spade called me once during the riots. He goes, your block is on fire. I thought he was kidding, but there was just overturned cop cars on fire and it was like riots. This was 2020. So I just got in my car and I went, okay, and I drove to the desert. That's part of the LA, yeah, experience is fleeing.

That's what Palm Beach is.

Yeah, yeah, the Palm Springs.

Palm Springs, right?

Yeah, you flee.

Yeah, you go. I mean, Palm Springs makes no sense. It's hot as fuck. There's no water.

Well, you know why it started?

With money.

It started because when Paramount Pictures was doing edits, if you were in a movie, you had to be within 200 miles of until the movie was finished editing. It was in your contract. Palm Springs is like exactly 200 miles from LA.

Oh, interesting.

That's why they started it. Hollywood, that, you know, they were like, we own you. You can't go anywhere until the film was edited. So if you wanna go on a vacation, you have to go there.

You know what's interesting is like Pasadena was where all the like producers lived.

Yeah.

There's beautiful houses in Pasadena, man.

Mid-century modern, beautiful, incredible places, like estates that just seem completely out of place. Totally beautiful.

And from another time.

From another time. Well, that's the thing in LA now, you get the vibe that you're— you're— Santino made a brilliant point. He's like, it's not Hollywood, it's Hollywood the sequel. Like, you're not living in the thing anymore, you're living in whatever the second version of the thing is, right?

The second of the thing is— second version is TikToker.

Yeah, whatever it is, it's it's not what it was, and every place seems a little bit like a museum or like it was cool 20 years ago or 15 years ago.

Somebody recently said this and it's perfect. They said LA is slowly becoming Detroit.

Interesting.

Yeah.

The only thing that might save it is the weather.

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They overtaxed and overregulated their biggest industry to other states and other countries.

Yeah.

And most people are making things all over the world and very few— I think at one time it was like 80 to 90%, now it's 25, 30% shot in LA. Wow. It's a big difference.

It's a giant difference. Well, that arrogance of like, this is the best place in the world, everyone's gonna come here no matter what. Right. That's the Gavin Newsom attitude whenever he defends California. Talks about how great the GDP is— we're the fifth largest economic blah-blah-blah. He starts rattling off all these wonderful statistics, and this is like instead of acknowledging that we've got fucking real problems: people are moving for the first time ever more than they're coming here; we're losing all these giant corporations that are leaving— Instead of that it's just this "we're the shit," no one's— I'm very big on California, I'm bullish on California, right? It's always gonna be amazing here.

Well, it's what every empire said until they fell.

Yeah.

Right?

Yeah.

Like there's, we are the thing.

But people don't wanna ever believe that things could fall. It's so weird. Well, we'll walk right through the Coliseum and go, well, this can never happen again.

Right. When we landed in LA, I looked to the right and that, that warehouse was on fire with 85 billion or 85 million tons of chemicals in a warehouse that was on fire. It was like a multi-day blaze. And you're landing and you're looking out the window and you're just seeing the warehouse on fire. And then there was a car fire on the 405. Like, I sold my house, have an apartment there now, but like, as I was going to my apartment, there was a car on fire. And I was— as I was landing, the warehouse was on fire. And you start thinking to yourself, somebody doesn't want us here. Like, somebody wants us out. Like, it almost feels like we're being evicted by nature.

By nature? Interesting. Maybe human nature.

By bad decisions, by everything.

Which is nature. Yeah. You know, human nature is nature. And the stupidity of humans is— it's no different than the stupidity of animals when they go extinct.

Do you think it comes back? Any shot? Any chance?

Something has to happen.

Right.

Something big has to happen. I mean, there has to be something that completely shifts the way LA looks at itself. You know, it has to look at itself as like a functioning business instead of a giant scam for nonprofits, right? Because the— a big part of LA's problem is there's a bunch of people that are in the empathy industry.

Yeah.

And they're in the, you know, we're working for this and we're working for that, and a giant chunk of their money is going to that kind of shit.

I did a great show at Ocean's in Atlantic City, which is a casino there, and the owner of that casino was talking to me, and I said, what would fix Atlantic City? Because Atlantic City has some similar problems to LA.— but vastly worse.

Yeah, way worse.

And he was telling me, he goes, we have just a high amount of people and a lot of social programs in one area. So you have a lot of people that are not, for whatever reason, productive, and they are living in one area, and everything that comes along with that, which is crime, which is, you know, vandalism, which is, you know, disorder to varying degrees. And he goes, you need to get rid of that in order to have a climate where businesses can thrive.

100%.

Which is what happened in New York in the '90s. People hate it, they don't want to admit it, but what happened in New York in the '90s was like, they did clean up a lot of the crime, and a lot of businesses then felt better about investing.

100%. But that's what Giuliani did.

It's what he did, yeah.

And he's demonized.

He's demonized. He's demonized. He hasn't— he's one of those guys where if he had just done that and died, his legacy would have been amazing. But he's hung around for a while, and he's kind of gone into some interesting tangents. So it's one of those scenarios where it's like, had he just cleaned up New York City and then left public life, it would have been like, that guy, right? But he hung around a little bit and, you know, got involved.

They always have to hang around.

They always hang around.

You're gonna do shows, you're always gonna do stand-up. That's right, I was gonna do shows.

But he did such a good thing, and then it was like, just Yeah, just exit.

Who's also, you know, he was easy to make fun of, like the time where he was sweating and his dye— well, that's what I mean, you know what I mean?

He's melting, he's doing a podcast conference in a parking lot.

Don't dye your hair. Yeah, you're 100 years old, it's okay to have gray hair. It's just these guys, there's so much silliness on both sides, you know. There's so— there's silliness on the left and silliness on the right. There's goofy people because the only kind of people that want that kind of position of power are a little goofy, right? You don't get the best and the brightest and the most enlightened that want to be the mayor of New York City. It's not the job.

You get a lot of people that want power and they want influence. And they, you know, I think a lot of that, the AI stuff, which is very interesting, is starting to— I think it might— I don't know how quickly it will do this, but I do think it's going to lessen some of the cultural divides. And I think it's going to potentially unite people because it's, I think it's going to be the next fight seems to be about surveillance, privacy, your own rights, what rights you'll have. Like, I feel like that will be, it might take precedent instead of like these cultural fights that people have been having for a while. It might be like, people might be demanding autonomy, you know, from artificial intelligence.

The problem is gonna be if you can't demand, if you don't have a voice anymore. And this is the potential nightmare scenario that we're seeing play out slowly in England. So in England, their freedom of speech has been suppressed to an alarming point where people are not freaking out nearly enough about it. The amount of arrests that people get over there for fucking retweets and likes. Retweets and likes.

That's so crazy to me that you could get arrested for liking a tweet.

Arrested?

Not even retweeting, 'cause we all know if you like, you're a piece of shit. You should retweet. We all know that. Retweet it. And if you're gonna go to jail, you might as well retweet it anyway. If you're gonna get locked up, just retweet it.

What if you actually get years for a retweet versus a like?

Sure, your honor, my client just liked this, they were confused, they hit a button.

So as soon as you have people that feel like the reality of the world they live in is not being represented and they're not allowed to complain about it online, because if they complain about it online, they get arrested. So right now it's for immigration primarily, this is the big one. But that could change, that could change.

Well, it does seem to be that they, they feel that there was a decision made by somebody that the public can only discuss issues in a very rigid way. They can only offer their, like, if not everyone who's talking about immigration is doing it in the most articulate way, but it's their right to do it. It's their country. They should be able to say, I'm worried about increased levels of immigration, you know, and they should be able to say that in an ineloquent way, right?

Right.

So what they're doing now is they're policing certain words, and I think certain ways of speaking, and they're calling a lot of things an incitement to violence. Now, some things clearly are an incitement to violence, but you know the internet, people speak in a colorful way. People talk using irony. Some people are trying to be funny. Some people are— so I think the way that they're doing it over there is they're basically looking at these statements and going, this person is inciting violence and threatening the public good by what they're saying.

Right. And then there's also people were getting arrested for saying that there were rape gangs.

And there were. And there were. There were.

And so this new report, who released this new report that said a quarter million people? It says UK scraps police probes of legal social media posts after review says response went too far. So this is, uh, April 1st, 2026. Uh, but I just saw a thing about a guy getting arrested like a few days ago.

And we have rape gangs here, but ours are more successful.

I think that's a 'Legal social media posts' is which weird. So legal social media posts, right? Their law is different than our law. They don't have freedom of speech over there. Right. Incitement to violence is a violation of their law, right? So when it says legal, it could just be they went too far for things like cartoons or something like that. That's not clearly not an incitement to violence. But would it find out, Jamie, what that report was about the rape gangs?

I was just there for 21 days. I was in London. I went to Paris for a couple of days, but I was in London primarily for 21 days. And you talk to different groups of people, and London's a global city, it's a cosmopolitan city, it's like New York. And, you know, I think one of the things that, you know, they're, they're used to diversity there, and so they're not full-on panicked about different types of people coming in. But there is undeniably a real problem, um, outside of London, also in London, but outside of London because a lot of the economy is stagnated. So you're bringing people in, it's not clear immediately what jobs they'll do, and a lot of their cultures vary greatly from the English culture in a, in a meaningful way. And that could be the rights of women, that could be the rights of gay people, that could be the opinions about freedom of speech, that could be freedom of religion, whatever it is, there is a cultural tension there. Between, you know, immigrants, migrants coming in and this, the very established society that's been around for a very long time.

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Yeah.

Is it about Dearborn? Is that where it is?

Dearborn, Michigan. Yeah.

So. Were a bunch of really progressive people, thought it's amazing. Bring everyone in, everyone's welcome. And so they got enough Muslim people in there where they could vote in a mayor. And then this guy says, "No more pride flags." No more pride flags. Yeah. And they're inching towards what they would like, which is Sharia law. If you ask most people who live in these Islamic countries. Now, again, if you're asking them, they're probably under duress, they're probably terrified of saying the wrong thing. So you've got to factor that in, but at least a percentage of them think Sharia law law would be a great idea.

I think there's certainly a— yeah, I mean, and this was covered up too, a lot of the grooming gang scandal there.

Yeah, so we're looking at it right now. It says— this is on, uh, National Review— the UK's horrific rape gangs. So this— but there was— is this the Rape Gang Inquiry Report? Right. So who put this report out? Uh, members of Parliament and Restore Britain Party leader Rupert Lowe. And so the investigators had limited power, such as inability to compel witnesses or require a sort of document production that could corroborate some of the most heinous victims. Viewed with those limitations in mind, the independent report is a damning collection of victim testimonies that vividly portray the sexual terrorism that occurred nationwide for decades. Oh, Jesus Christ.

Yeah, this is terrible. I mean, obviously, I mean, the—

I think they said it was 250,000 Girls.

And this was covered up because the media didn't want to inflame anger against, you know, population of migrants, right? Most of whom I'm sure were innocent of this, obviously.

Obviously.

But it is something that, you know, in a free society everyone has the right to know if there are rape gangs in their country and who's operating them.

But isn't that crazy that in the— under the guise of progressiveness, yeah, you've enabled rape gangs.

Well, 100%. It's crazy. But it's also incredibly— it's not shocking because the ends justify the means approach of politics seems to be what we're doing right now. Whereas basically, if the goal is to just eliminate, you know, whatever, whatever it's being called, like this patriarchal white male dominated society, And if you wanna get rid of that, and that's the end goal, a lot of people ignore what happens in the middle. Like a lot of people aren't super concerned about whose rights are being respected in that process because their end goal really is to kind of decrease the power of people they disagree with, you know? So I mean, it's like, You know, you know, it's hard to look at this and not see a design. And I don't, I don't quite know exactly where the design comes from, but it's, it's odd that this is all happenstance because everybody knows it's happening and people are afraid to talk about it. So I would imagine that at some point, you know, for example, like countries like Ireland right now that are having lots of issues over this, It's, you know, they're part of the EU, and the EU would set migration policy for Ireland.

So the EU is a supranational organization that would basically say, here's how many migrants you have to admit, here's your carbon emission standards, here's your, you know, monetary policy, whatever it is. And Ireland is kind of in that, in that sense, they feel like they're losing their sovereignty. They're losing their ability to chart the course of their own country to a supranational organization that's— that primarily seems concerned with the economics. Because if you bring in more migrants, you can artificially grow the economy, which is what they're doing. A lot of people in Europe are not having children, so a lot of these economies are run by people that are not really too concerned about the, the cultural landscape of bringing migrants in. They're looking more about How do we grow this economy? How do we get cheap, you know, help? And how do we get workers? And a lot of it is you're getting third world migrants. Some of it's genuine refugees for sure, but a lot of it's economic migration. People are coming for a better life. Hard to blame them. But do the people that live in those countries get to have a better life?

That's the question. If you lived in Ireland, do you get to have a better life Do, do your economic prospects get to grow? Do your children get to own property? Do they get to have health insurance and a job and things like that? And no one seems that concerned about that. Like these, these citizens who've lived forever in these countries, whose grandparents have fought and died in wars to secure the freedom of some of those countries, you know, Britain, UK, you know, things like that. Those citizens seem to not be as prioritized as people coming in from other countries. And that's one of the big problems that they're having there.

Well, it's really interesting to watch because if there is a plan— I mean, it's not interesting, it's kind of horrific, but it's interesting in that—

It can be both.

It can be both.

Sure.

If there is a plan, like, whose plan? Whose plan and who's benefiting from this? Like, why would you do this?

I think it's a small group of people that concern themselves primarily with economic matters, that don't care that nation-states have cultures and histories and customs, and that doesn't really— that doesn't bother them as much. And their basic, you know, response is to just deal with it. And to call everyone a racist who questions it, or to say everyone's, uh, jingoist or ethnocentric or anti-immigrant or whatever. They shut down those conversations. And I think it's because a lot of people believe more in a global world, and they don't believe in a world of nation-states that have their own ability to govern themselves. They want to take that power economically from those people, and then eventually they want to take it culturally and every other way. So they just want to go around the world and say, here's the way every country will look, here's the economic policy of every country. And if the people in those countries don't like it and they express, you know, that on social media, they're going to get kicked off. And if they organize in the streets, they're going to use, you know, military authority to fire water cannons at them or shut them down or use gas or whatever.

And if there's a genuine resistance movement to some of it, they're gonna infiltrate it and turn it into some psychotic thing, which they do all the time.

Right.

So it's hard to see it, not to sound like a paranoid nut job, but that's what I am and how I've made my living. But I think it is clearly someone's design. This isn't happenstance. None of this has to happen. We don't have to invade countries, sponsor coups, steal resources, and then like drench our, our communities in, in guilt and say, now we have to bring all those people here and you have to deal with it. None of that has to happen. That's, that's a strategy of, of a group of people that want to keep perpetuating this.

Do you think it also has a one of the factors might be that they want conflict. The more conflict people have in the streets, the less they're going to pay attention to what the government's doing.

Well, 100%. I also think the more chaos in the street, the more likely you're going to be willing to accept new laws, new laws, new technologies.

Yeah.

And you're going to just say, I want peace.

Yeah.

And I don't care how we get it. I don't care how we achieve it.

Yeah.

And I think that's very possible, but it does feel like it's on the road a little bit to where people want a uniform standard across. But as you've said earlier in this, it's very interesting because this uniform standard is supposed to include non-binary art students in Vermont and religious Muslims from North Africa.

Yeah, good luck.

But I mean, that's—

but it's amazing that the people that would be most opposed The people that, like, if you do bring those people in, the people they're gonna hate the most are the people that want them in the most. Yes. They're the ones who are most likely to say we shouldn't have some border that keeps some person from coming here and no person's illegal.

And the people that want them in the most, I think, are not even the people bringing them in. They're being used.

Right. They're being, their suicidal empathy, right?

Their empathy's being weaponized. It's being used. That's right. So people that are, manufacturing this reality are using those people. These are the same people who really don't care if people in the state over have healthcare, right? These are people that haven't spoken to their sister in 2 years, right? And they care a ton about people in the Ukraine or people that are coming over from Syria, whatever. But we fucked up Syria. We put that guy in who used to be in ISIS. We got rid of Gaddafi. There's slave markets in Libya, right? So we did that. We sent refugees all through Europe. We destabilized all of Europe. And, you know, you can't take us out of it. You can't take Western powers out of it. You can't take Israel out of it. You can't take the US and Britain, France, and a lot of other powers that have destabilized these countries and sent these people flooding through Western countries, European countries.

Yeah, fun.

It's gonna be a fun next 50 years.

It's kind of crazy when you see images of France. There was a video of France from 1998 from Paris. Yeah, versus today. They showed like 1998 and then they showed different—

it's a different thing. And you know, listen, some of that's inevitable. The world changes. Different groups of people, you know. But then you look in Ireland, this guy just got beheaded, uh, in the street, which I'm against and I think is wrong. And, um, he beheaded some guy, a migrant who had been brought in, had beheaded, or damn near beheaded, tried to. And there's a video of it. And, and it— and now Belfast, like, you know, it's probably quieted down now, but they were like tremendous riots. They were like burning things down because they're We never got a vote on this. We never got a vote on bringing the people in. Yeah, we never got a vote on that. No one ever asked us how much demographic change we wanted in our country and how quickly and what we were prepared to do. No one ever asked that.

People don't like to admit it, but an armed population, it's much more difficult to pull things off. Totally, 100%. And that's another part of the problem with the UK, with Ireland, all these places. It's very difficult to have a gun.

Diversity also relies on a very a productive economy. So New York City works to the degree it does because people can go out and get jobs, because the economic reality of the city is that it, it can support a lot of people coming in. There are a lot of jobs for those people. But when you have a stagnant economy like many parts of the UK, that's a lot harder. It's a harder sell. Harder to assimilate people into a landscape where the people there are not doing well. Like, the people that have lived there forever are not thriving. They don't feel great. Their prospects economically aren't great. And now you're bringing all these new people who also are struggling to find work. So that's part of the problem.

Do you think that this is being done with a, a strategy knowing that AI is about to completely disrupt society.

Yes, once— I believe— this is what I believe— I believe no one, for example, no one's trying to get anyone in this country to own a house. No, people pay lip service to the idea, but there's, there's a lot of people now, a lot of them are my age, who have never owned a home and never will. And no one's trying to— no one wants them They've forgotten what owning a home feels like. They've forgotten what it feels like to like have a yard where you can invite people over and drink a glass of wine and smoke a cigar and watch a game. And they live in a little apartment, they type, you know, they're on a MacBook, they're getting radicalized in any direction, they're upset, they're on dating apps or whatever, but they, they, they don't feel like they have a, uh, foundational core to their life. No one has really really even given them the idea that they're going to get that. So I think that's just one of the things where people are— they're basically saying like, no, you don't need a house and you're not getting a house, and forget what owning a house was.

Like, forget that, that doesn't matter. And I think part of this is because they know— same thing with healthcare— there's no real movement to give anyone healthcare in this country. And if it is, it gets shut down immediately. So on the positive side, you might go, well, they know that AI's coming and that AI's gonna do a lot of stuff with health and it's going to help extend lifespans. And, but also on the negative side, they go, AI's gonna disrupt the economy to a point where like, we're not gonna have people owning homes and cars and things like that. We're going to have a lot of, people without a steady income, or they don't really know what to do. We're gonna have a lot of wealth that's existed, a lot of capital, and we're gonna have tremendous inequality. We're gonna have a lot of joblessness. So for sure, I think that they're, they're preparing for that. I mean, there's no way you can look at the landscape because they're selling the country off for parts. And this is both parties and this is like they're selling it off for parts. So I mean, obviously there's something's coming, something's coming for sure.

And I, I don't know when it is. And I'm sure the AI thing's overblown to an extent. And I think so much of our GDP depends on it that a lot of these companies are, are lying. But Anthropic's a creepy, these are creepy companies. You know, I mean, they're just creepy.

Well, the amount of power—

yeah—

that tech companies have in general—

totally—

is unprecedented. There's never been corporations— I mean, unless you go back to like the East India Corporation that, you know, you go back in the day where they, they had like an enormous army, right?

You know, totally.

And they took over India and Pakistan. But if you look at what they're doing, it's very different than that because like, you know, other than the army part, what they have is robot armies. And then they have AI, which Elon just recently said is going to be like a million times smarter than the smartest human that's ever lived.

Right.

Like, this is the goal. The goal is to create literally a digital god. And it's going to be controlled by not us, not the collective human race. It's going to be controlled by a select few group of people. And that's weird. Like, and we're just trusting them.

Well, that's why you're not getting a vote on immigration levels. You're not gonna get a vote on, you know, like, I think the reality is that eventually they're gonna go, do you want safe streets? Do you want food? Do you want a little bit of money? You gotta do X, Y, and Z. You gotta believe X, Y, and Z. Yeah. And I mean, that seems to be coming.

And it seems like if you put people in a corner and you get 'em scared, they'll, this is what we learned during COVID But like they will back down. They'll go along with a lot of stupid shit.

They'll go to, they'll go, they'll try to find comfort and they will listen to people that they deem to be worthy. Yeah.

You know? They'll trust the government, which is wild. The left is the people that trust the government.

Well, you have all these studies that come out, you know, this is the thing that I like, I love London and the people there are great and they're fun people and everything like that. But they have a, you know, 'cause they get healthcare, they get a little more from their government than we do. There's more trust in their government than we have in our government. And there's positives to that and there's negatives. But they are a society of rules and customs and order. And it is a bit different. So I think they are more likely to go along with the grand plan of the government more so than the United States where we really do question more what's happening than people in Europe or the UK. Mm.

Overall. Yeah, but that makes sense, right? They have socialized healthcare. They have— isn't their education paid for completely? Isn't university?

Yeah, they have good stuff. They have a good life.

Yeah. There's benefits to that.

Totally.

There's like a balance to be achieved. I've always said that, like, in this country, it's foolish that we don't have— that we don't pay for higher education. Like, the more educated people, the better. Like, the less losers, the better.

Part of our country is, is You know, we manufacture a lot of geniuses. We also manufacture a lot of psychopaths. That's what our culture does.

A lot of sociopaths.

A lot of sociopaths.

A lot of people that don't give a fuck about anything but success.

A lot of people that don't care about anything.

And that's the thing that comes along with the gluttony too, right? It's celebrated. And they don't even realize that that outward gluttony, it just inspires all these eat the rich people.

The whole thing is out of balance. That's what I would describe America. If you had to describe it in 3 words, it's just out of balance. It's out of balance. Balance. It does it. And it's hard because we've got 350 million people. It's hard to bat, you know, and it's like, what are the people in Menlo Park have to do with the people in Baton Rouge have to do with the people in Canarsie? Like, yeah, I get it. It's a weird place. Yeah. So you have all these different climates, habitats, people have different interests. But I think AI might unite people because like the idea of this as such a powerful force, if people don't start getting cognizant of it eventually and start talking about regulating it or anything, I do think it is going to be a very strange time if people just ignore it forever.

It's gonna do something weird, I'll tell you that. It's not gonna be normal. Whatever is coming over the next 20 years, no one is predicting it.

I get the feeling when you see a lot of these tech guys start adopting Christianity—

How about Peter Thiel's whole antichrist thing.

Yeah, he does that whole thing.

What is he doing? He gave a fucking lecture on the Antichrist.

There's a bunch of lectures on the Antichrist. He's fascinated with it. And a lot of those guys are moving into this interesting area of, um, this is—

this is—

God wants this. Like JD Vance, who's not the worst person, obviously. And I think he's the sanest voice in that administration about the Iran War, for sure. I think he's by far one of the only people in there going, let's calm it down, which is why a lot of the big donors are, are, are slinging mud at him, you know. But again, it's just, he just released a book about faith and reconnecting with his faith. I'm sure it's a lovely book. Haven't read it. Fun beach read. JD Vance is reconnecting with his faith. Great, inspiring, amazing. We'll get to it. Haven't read it. We'll get to it. Top tier. But you know, it's also interesting because like some of his donors are huge tech guys and it's, it's, it's all of these worlds existing together where you have this world of people who are trying to build a god and the world of people who already believe in a god and trying to get all of those people in the same tent. That's interesting.

It is. You know, imagine if that's where God comes from, if this is a natural process for human beings and their curiosity and insatiable need for technological innovation.

What happens once we get God? Like, once we just— let's say we bring this God in, then what happens?

Nirvana.

Nirvana?

Yeah, we all merge, becomes perfect.

Interesting. So we all merge and that's perfect?

Fine, don't worry about about it. We're gonna merge with the machine.

Interesting. Because people do believe that.

At one point in time, cavemen had to be looking at the wheel going, man, I see where this is gonna go.

Right.

This is gonna fuck my whole gig up. Totally. My whole gig is making weapons out of stone and tying them to a stick with tendons.

Right.

And then chasing an animal and spearing them. And now these motherfuckers invented guns.

Right.

And these motherfuckers invented arrows. Yeah. And with every progression of technol— Bow and arrows technology changed everything. Horse riding, figuring out how to ride a horse. Well, that's like a new innovation, right? Ride a horse now. Now you can move a lot faster. You get a lot of things done. Some guy figured out a wheel. All right, drag the wheel, put a cart on it. Now we can carry stuff with us, right? More than the stuff that you could put on a horse, right? Get a couple horses, they pull a wagon. All right, great. Hey, this guy figured out a fucking engine. We don't need horses anymore, right? All right, let's make the whole ground everywhere hard so we could roll around with these machines with internal combustion engines. And then it just keeps going and keeps going and keeps going and keeps going. And then one day it's unrecognizable, just like it is now. If you showed Australopithecus Manhattan in 2026, they'd be like, they would freak out. They'd probably start screaming. They wouldn't know what to do. They'd be horrified.

But do you think like if we showed Peter Thiel 2050, he'd go, no, that's it. Like, that's what I want. Like whatever 20, like, Do you think the guys now have a real idea of what it's gonna be?

No.

Interesting.

I think there's a lot of guesswork. I don't think it's possible. I don't think it's possible to know what these things are going to do when they become sentient. I don't think it's possible. If Elon is correct, if Elon's correct and there's something that's a million times smarter than human beings and somehow or another is— why would we let people govern? Why would we let people build that stupid fucking rail station in California that's cost How much money? And it's produced what? How much, how much track was done? Why would they let people do that when you could have AI do that?

But if something's a billion times smarter than human beings, it's gonna go, we're not building a rail station for these fat fucks. You know, I mean, seriously, it's gonna go, why would we build a rail station for these people so they can get drunk and go fight each other? Well, how about we get rid of them?

Well, maybe it's we don't even need to do that because we can make you travel instantaneously from here to there. Create little mini wormholes all over the country. You don't need a car anymore. You just press a button and all of a sudden you're at Starbucks. You know, we'll do something very strange.

I just look at technology and I go, it's made the world better in many ways, but in a lot of ways it hasn't. And it did stop around 2014, 2015. A lot of the new things started that came in, made the world to me very impersonal, corporate, sterile, and cold. Yeah. And the experiences that you get now, like, you know, there was like, You know, I went with a friend of mine, we were in a McDonald's, and like you order on a touchscreen, there's nobody there, there's some 9-year-old kid going, "Hey, I ordered a McFlurry," some woman screaming at him, "Where's the receipt? What's the receipt?" He's like 9, he's like, "What?" There's a weirdness when you take people out of everything.

You take people out of everything, and then you don't also, they have no purpose.

Right.

Especially when you consider the high number of unemployed people and checked-out people, and then people that have whatever their job is has nothing to do with what they enjoy. So if they just do the job and then afterwards they're just watching television all day, that's a lot of people. But he's watching their phone. Yeah, playing video games. There's a lot of people that don't have any purpose, right? They don't have a feeling of purpose. They don't have a thing that they're connected to.

But some experiences are much worse now than they were.

Sure.

Before they were digitized. Like, I do think there was just pressing a button and getting something on Amazon is much easier. But there was something nice about going out in December during the Christmas season and like going to different places and seeing people and like the struggle of like getting the thing you want. There was something— I bet you were expending energy, you're walking around, you get a cup of coffee, you see people. If we destroy all of that, what happens to the human psyche? That's my question.

Well, if we had an anxiety meter, if we could see like anxiety, like levels of measurable anxiety over time, I guarantee you from like whatever the age of the internet kicked in. So it's like what, '94 or something like that? I think it probably slowly ramped up until social media came up and then it's probably significantly higher than it's ever been before without real threats.

Totally.

Like just regular anxiety from reading things on your phone and interacting with things online.

Well, people are very, attached to this idea that they have to weigh in on everything, that they have to have a fully formed opinion on everything. And the horrors of the world are on full display in front of them all the time. And they need to then not only view them, which is scarring in and of itself, but then they need to contextualize them in a way that makes sense. Which I think is also another level of stress. Am I a good person? Am I— do I have the right thoughts about this thing? Am I being, you know, so that to me is also another level of stress where like you would have never had to— there were people when I grew up that just were really good at one thing and they, they didn't need to have an opinion on something that was happening, you know, a world away because they didn't have the knowledge.

And they weren't forced into expressing that opinion.

They weren't forced into expressing that opinion.

Yeah.

And they were able to live in a very, in a much simpler way, in a much happier way with real genuine connections to people. And I think the fact that nobody feels like they're able to do that now, like the generation that's coming up, you know, the younger people, I, I, they seem better off like the Zoomers or whatever they are. They seem to be a little, they have a little, a dose of nihilism, but I think it's appropriate. They're a little, You know, they have a good sense of humor. They're skeptical. They're a little cynical. They've seen all of these institutions, you know, churn out a lot of garbage. And I think they're into, you know, some of the crypto stuff. They're into like, you know, they're self-starters. They're not institutionalists. Everyone I grew up with and the generation directly under me, they're all institutionalists. They believe very strongly that knowledge is given through an approved— whether you're at NYU or whether it's the State Department or whether it's a board or whether it's, or whether it's, uh, a nonprofit, the Commission to Study that proved the thing. A lot of these kids do not think for themselves.

They do, and they're not kids, they're in their 30s, by the way, and they're in their 30s or 40s. They don't think for themselves. They've been taught that thinking for themselves is bad, it's racist, or it can lead you down a road that you don't want to go on. It's, you know, whatever. It's misogynist, it's homophobic. Like, whatever questions you're asking, like, why do the Padres get— why do the Padres have to wear gay uniforms? Like, that doesn't make any sense to me. Like, as a gay person, I never said why I need the Padres to be gay. Why are the Padres gay?

How does the Padres uniform look like?

What— they're making them wear, like, gay things on the uniform.

Like Pride stuff?

It's like Pride stuff. I don't think it's like a dildo on your head, but I think it's like Pride stuff.

What happens when they play in Dearborn?

It's not gonna go well, but it's like, why is Citibank gay? Why is Chase gay? What is it? Why does this help anyone that a corporation is trans? Why is Chobani yogurt trans? What's the point of this? I don't understand. Does this get people healthcare? Does this make people happy? Does this satisfy—

it makes some people happy.

It makes some people happy that I worry about, because I just don't understand. And it makes more people angry. And that's why gay marriage has lost 11 points in support. More people are annoyed. They're like, we're all cool with however people want to live their lives. A lot of—

most people are.

But they're like, why is my bank gay? When did my bank come out as gay? And like, I'm okay with it, but could somebody have told me? Like, what are we doing? I don't— this doesn't make anybody's life better. It is the— it is just virtue signaling horseshit that ends up doing the exact opposite of what they want. They think it increases acceptance It decreases it because you're shoving a worldview down someone's throat. And at the end of the day, it's like if I went to a restaurant, for example, I have no problem with Scientology on record, by the way. I like it. I like cults. I like cults. Children have too many rights. Put them on that boat, whatever you do. Sea Org, make them work. Don't rape them, but make them swap the deck, whatever they do on that boat. And I don't have a problem with Scientology, and I don't like the people who leave Scientology and then rat on it after it got them all these movie parts. I think that's fucked up too. I think it's fucked up. I think they're rats. And I know you've had some of them on, sorry, but I think they're rats.

If you are— do something for 30 goddamn years and get rich and famous, shut your mouth. Have the dignity to go to your house and shut your mouth about it. Don't then try to Go on, uh, your new era is that you're gonna dime on everybody in this thing that made you rich? Anyway, but if I went— so that's just an aside, it's just an aside, it's truly— but that's the way I feel.

Shout out to Tom Cruise. Yeah, hangs in there.

Hangs in. Can you imagine how gross that would be in there? How disgusting would it be if Tom Cruise went out and he's like, you know, Scientology is really abused? Shut the fuck up, you're Top Gun. You're Top Gun. This worked whether you're gay or not. They covered it up. They covered it up. You said you did something wrong, they said, 'We'll audit you, we'll put you in the box, you're fine. Give us some money, live on this mansion, it's all fine.' But if I went to my bank and it was just all Scientology for the month of June, I would go, 'This is a lot.' Do you know what I mean? So to me, I think it's like this weird aesthetic politics that people have where they just, they need to pin ribbons on themselves and go, I'm a good person. I have no problem with the polyamorous orgy happening at Chase or whatever. Just shut up. This whole country right now is being torn apart by people who need to feel like they're good people. And they need to project their life onto other people.

Just to—

just live and let live. People disagree with you. That's— I have good friends I disagree with, like, on fundamental things, foundational things, and I don't care. I don't care because I think they're funny. I think their lives are funny. They're bad people. Many of my friends are not good people. I wouldn't even introduce them to other people I cared about. But they entertain me, and that used to be okay. Used to be able to go, I like that guy, he's entertaining. People go, he's crazy, he was in jail. You go, eh, you always minimize. You minimize that. You go, sure he was, maybe. I don't know what happened between him and her. Someone fell down the stairs. He's fun sometimes. And you should be able to do that. Not everyone's going to agree with you. Not everyone's going to agree with you. It's okay.

You gotta—

life is too short.

No, you want that. You don't want everybody to agree with you. No. You wanna live in a world of texture.

Yes.

Yeah, you wanna live in a world, you wanna have the Joey Diazes of the world.

Totally.

You wanna have some wild people out there. They're fun.

And the problem with the generation under me is they're all very like this, and they all went to the same liberal arts schools that have taught them like this orderly way of processing information, and they're all afraid to like, they like say things, they say them in a very Well, well, the rape gang, they're gangs that are raping. Well, that's bad, but there's a lot of, I don't know what's been proven, and there's a lot of racism. Like, they just always, they're so afraid of having an independent thought because they've been programmed their entire lives. They don't realize it. They've been programmed their entire lives to believe a certain set of things. And their self-worth depends on those things mattering.

Yeah.

The school you went to, the internship you got, the corporation whose dick you have to suck, sometimes literally, to stay in it. That is where they derive their self-worth from. So their entire world crumbles if you challenge any of their ideas.

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And if your life is— and it's sterile and it's corporate and it's boring. And, and that to me is my— one of my biggest problems with, with a lot of people that I speak to is that they seem genuinely afraid to, to use their mind for more than —what the allotted functions are.

You mean afraid to express themselves? Yeah.

They're afraid to even entertain thoughts in their own head.

They want to avoid the punishment. Yeah. It's scary punishment. Have you seen this new Armie Hammer movie that is out now? No, but— Some vigilante movie. He's great.

Fan of him. Big fan of him. Think he's great. Love everything he's doing. I like it. I like that you can't get canceled. People come right back.

Well, I don't know if he's necessarily coming back. I mean, this movie's gonna bring him back, I should say. I mean, what did he say? I mean, he said he wanted to eat girls.

He was texting them, "I wanted to eat a couple of people." You know, is that a problem?

But is it real? Is it just crazy talk?

Even if it was, is it consensual or not?

I mean, is it just saying wild things? Like, what is—

Listen, what is it? He's— he— his fantasy was that he wanted to be accountable. That was his, like, fantasy. That was his kink. Now, it was fake, but if it— if he was in a situation where it could have been real, yeah, he would have tried a heart. If Army Hammer had the money to arrange this, and some people in our country do, um, if you have the money to arrange it, he's trying to 1000%. And by the way, doesn't make me hate him. Doesn't make me hate him. As long as the person was dead already, I'm against it. I would never do it. But if you told me— this is how open I am to different people— if you told me Armie Hammer, there was a— somebody died and there was a heart, and Armie Hammer tried a little bit of the heart, I'd go, hey, fine, live and let live.

Do you know the story of General Buckeye? Bok naked? No. General Butt Naked is a guy in Liberia. So Liberia is a part of Africa. I don't wanna fuck this up, so let's be— let's check on this. I think what happened in Liberia is they released a bunch of slaves from the United States and sent them to Liberia, like after slavery was abolished. Right. And I think Liberia has had a series of civil wars, like really crazy brutal ones. And in one of them, there was this guy named General Butt Naked, and Vice covered this guy. They interviewed him, and essentially now he's a priest. He's a preacher, and he gave his love to Jesus Christ, and now he's saved. But back then— Well, good for him. He would talk about how he would go into war completely naked, and then they would kidnap children of the opposing army and cut their heart out and eat it for protection.

That's certainly an extreme way to do it.

But he did that. Yeah. But then he found Jesus, so it's okay.

Well, it is certainly better, and that's— would the Mayans kind of do that, or was that human sacrifice?

They did a lot of human sacrifice along with the Aztecs. What happened with Liberia? Is that an accurate depiction? I don't want to fuck this up. So Liberia was established in 1822 by the American Colonization Society as a refuge for formerly enslaved and freeborn Black Africans to relocate to Africa. Yeah, there it is. Over several decades, roughly, roughly 16,000 freed slaves known as Americo-Liberians migrated there. While envisioned as a sanctuary, the nation later faced its own internal scandals regarding forced labor and human exploitation. Yeah. Interesting. Uh-huh. See if you can find that general butt-naked guy though. This, this guy, this whole story is fucking crazy. Is this it? Okay, geez. Yeah, formed his own militia of several dozen fighting, several dozen fighters known as the Naked Base Commandos or Butt Naked Brigade, most of whom were children as young as 9, operating under the Monrovia area with his unit. How do you say his name? Blah-hee, blah, blah-hee. I'm not sure how to say his name. Became known as wearing only shoes and magic charms and eventually adopted the nom de guerre General Butt Naked. His fighters followed his patterns of dress, which, in line with his distorted emulation of animist tradition, believed he could— believed could make one immune to bullets.

To fund his wartime activities and secure a steady supply of drugs for his fighters, Balahi allegedly traded locally mined diamonds and gold to Mexican drug cartels in exchange for guns and cocaine. Let's fucking go. He conscripted many of his fighters and according to some accounts laced the food he fed them with cocaine along with showing them Jean-Claude Van Damme films and to explaining that to them that killing people was a game in an effort to uproot the fear of death. Uh, his fighters— he and his fighters perpetrated numerous atrocities, although the exact extent of the crimes they committed have been subject to dispute. Frequently discussed the alleged atrocities he perpetrated, which according to Balahi, including murders, cannibalism, and human sacrifice. He has repeatedly estimated that the Naked Base commandos were ultimately responsible for 20,000 deaths. A claim which has come under criticism.

Okay. Yeah. And he's alive now and he's religious.

He's a preacher now. Yeah.

Have him on and I bet he's a lovely person. That's the thing. You should have him on. By the way, I would— here he is. Open invitation. He's— open invitation. Look, he's got Jesus on his shirt. He's led a full life and there's something about someone who has led a full life. This man has led a full life. There he is. Looks like Beetlejuice, but naked.

Wow, crazy. It's a— imagine seeing a dude naked with his dong flopping, running at you with an AK-47 with kids' blood all over his face.

I mean, that's, that's— I mean, that's disturbing, but I imagine that there are very rich people in our country seeing that and paying good money to see it.

One of the things that we were talking about with before the show started. Yeah, we're out in the hallway, we were talking about how there's a giant chunk of the world that's fucked. Yeah. And what's coming into England, it's not like— it's not unusual for other parts of the world, you know. If you go to Karachi, that's what life is, chaos. Yeah, we just— chaos is making its way into these protected bubbles, and that's what's freaking people out.

We live in a very privileged— even, even the poorest in the the worst, which is obviously, you know, it's not to minimize their struggles, but if you go to any of those third world countries, you're very aware of how privileged you are to live in a Western country. And, you know, it also makes a lot of sense why the people in those third world countries would want to leave them and go to other places for opportunity. And I think Immigration's had a lot of positive impacts on America, and it's had a lot of positive impacts on Britain and other countries. And it's not, it's not the idea that immigration is all bad or all good. It's the idea that like, you have to do things a certain way because, you know, societies are fragile. This is what we're learning. We're learning that societies are more fragile. When I grew up, that wasn't a common thought, that our society was very fragile. We thought it was very strong. We actually thought nothing could break us. And then you look at a couple years of a pandemic and most of the downtowns of the American cities don't look the same.

Commerce has changed in a dramatic way. The Iran War proved that, you know, military— our military is obviously brave men and women, they're amazing, but like the changing nature of warfare has made military campaigns very difficult. It's hard to look at this Iran War as a victory. It's almost impossible. Unless you're completely dishonest. I don't think anyone is looking at it as a victory. So I think our vulnerability in, you know, to threats foreign and domestic, we are more aware of that now than we have ever been, how fragile societies are. So when you demographically change a society very quickly, which has never happened historically, it took wars, long periods of immigration. Now it's overnight. People have to adjust to a new cultural and, and sometimes economic reality. That's a very disruptive thing, and societies are very fragile, and you've got to be very careful about how you alter and change a society, because if you do it too quickly, there's a tremendous backlash, and you have to make sure that people want it changed, that people are on board with it. Not everyone, no one's on board with everything, but like, if you went to a lot of people in these countries that live in the bigger cities, they would probably be very pro-immigration.

And, and because immigration has a lot of clear benefits to them, they get food delivered all the time, they have access to a lot, a wide variety of goods and services that immigrants bring. A lot of them are awesome, a lot of eat food, you know. So obviously, but again, if you went out into the suburbs and you went out into areas where the economies have stagnated, areas where maybe you've had scandals like this grooming scandal and things like that, um, Sweden, whose crime rate has skyrocketed because you've brought in a lot of people from other places that are selling drugs, and not all of them obviously, but like if you look at that and those people have a much more negative view of it because they don't connect the benefits of it because they don't feel them in their life.

Right, they were living pretty sweet.

They were living good. They were living pretty sweet. They're riding their fucking bicycles and eating heroin.

Pretty safe out there.

Pretty safe and doing what they wanted to do. And then, you know, you have this influx of people. You now have real poverty. You now have a lot of people—

You also brought in people that came from a war-torn part of the world.

A war-torn country. Yeah. And not everyone's gonna be General Butt-naked. Who becomes a Christian pastor and is probably lovely now. You probably see him in H-E-B, you're like, "Sweetheart, ate a few people, children maybe, but now it's better." That guy, not everyone's gonna convert. Not everyone's gonna be, you know, you're gonna bring people in that are, people are products to an extent of their environment. Like we all are. So, the idea that like, like, you know, women have less rights in these countries. So the courtship rituals in these countries are different. The familial relations are different. That's just the way it is. So, and, and a lot of people there like that. So, you know, why would, why would those beliefs and systems change just because you happen to be living in Ireland? Right. Why would you think Irish women or British women would necessarily or inherently get more respect than your wives, daughters, sisters, whatever? And I'm not saying that it's all like throughout the entire Islamic world. I think there's a lot of diversity in the Muslim world, and there are lots of countries where there's arguments that women are safer than they are in America.

But there's a lot of countries where that's not the case, and women have far fewer rights, and, and it's pretty barbaric. And I don't know why those attitudes would change when they are just in a different physical location.

The spectacular bizarreness of it is that the really kind left-wing people who oppose toxic masculinity, right, oppose this sort of society that's— that we're talking about, this, this male-dominated society. Like, you're inviting in something that literally has that as its doctrine.

Well, they think it can be tamed. So here's the thing with those people: they love a challenge. This is the "I can fix him" version of it. And to an extent, cultural attitudes do change over time. People do assimilate to certain practices. That's not a completely ridiculous thing to think. But they really believe that once all these people come to these countries and see how great it is, to be a childless 40-year-old woman working in data entry at a large faceless corporation that's gay on Pride Month. The corporation goes gay. And when they see how happy she or he or they is living in a society where you don't own anything— you know what's interesting about family? I just spoke to a comedian who went on a world tour and he was in India and he was talking about how poor people in India don't live on the street, they live in slums, which it's better. It's better to live in slums than the street because a lot of poor people are with their families and they won't cast their family out. Um, family in America almost means like nothing. Like we've, we've kind of, we've— everything's such an individual pursuit that family means nothing.

And like that's reinforced. Like I, I am in an argument with my father. His wife has different political views on certain things. So we haven't spoken in a little bit. My cousin's getting married, and I told— I have a therapist now that I've had for 6 months who I don't know if it's good, or I don't know if you ever know if a therapist is good or not. And I told my therapist, you know, my dad and his wife are going to be there, and I haven't spoken to them, but I love my cousin and I want to support her marriage. I want to go. And my therapist goes, well, you don't have to go. So My therapist goes, if you feel like it's gonna make you happy, go. So therapy in our country has become a way to kind of enable like sick people to just become selfish psychopaths. And family in America means almost nothing, and it is reinforced how little family means because like doctors will tell you, yeah, fuck it, it's your father, who cares? So it's, it's basically a thing where like, I think when you go to these other countries and you realize how deeply rooted a lot of things are in family and culture and tradition, and then we come from a country where like almost very little is— I'm not saying people don't have great families here, but like, you know, America is about you, and it's not about— if you don't agree with your sister, fuck her.

If your mother disagrees with you, block her. That's our country. And in other countries, that's unheard of. Like, that's unheard of. Like, it doesn't happen. And, you know, the comedian was explaining to me, like, in India, there's, like, a lot less of a drug problem in certain areas. And he was wondering why. And he goes, well, people don't want to do drugs to, like, disgrace their family. Even poor people. Even poor people will be like, I don't want to be a drug addict because my family's going to think bad about that. Wow. Whereas here, there's people that'll shoot up in front of their parents. You know what I mean? Like, so it's just a different— it like, it's, it's culturally we've gotten to this point where people are having less children. Family means very little. So then what has replaced that? It's clearly the state and corporations and ideology and ideology. So they've replaced families and communities.

Well, the ideology is your community because you're online most of the time. Yes. A giant percentage of the interactions you have with people. Yes. Meditieren, Yoga, Joggen— nichts entspannt mich. Echt? Mich entspannt meine Steuer total. Steuer? Wie Finanzamt? Die Steuererklärung? Ja, ich habe ganz locker über €1000 zurückbekommen. Hast du geheime Connections? Nö, nur die WISO Steuer App. Wow, und das ist einfach?

Klar, die macht fast alles automatisch. Plötzlich fühle ich mich so entspannt. Hol dir dein Geld zurück, tiefenentspannt mit WISO Steuer. Yeah. So I think that like that world, we have a pretty secular world. What is that? That is so interesting. CBD. Interesting.

Yeah.

Interesting. I thought it was something that—

No, it's a CBD vape.

I thought it was somebody gave you something that's like, you're about to transcend or something. Oh no. I thought you were like, it's DMT.

Imagine.

I'm bored with you. I'm going somewhere else for a few minutes. What's the last time you've done DMT? It's been a while. Interesting. Should I do it? Should we all do it? Yeah, I'm gonna have a cigarette.

Are you thinking about it?

I'm thinking about maybe doing it.

A lot of people have asked me about it. It's— recently, that's pure molecule thing.

Years ago was an awesome documentary.

You know this Andrew Gallimore guy? Do you know what he's doing? So he's— what is his exact discipline? He's a psychologist. Um, he's doing these things in a country where it's legal, where you fly there and you do a 5-hour DMT experience, like intravenous. He's a chemical pharmacologist, neurobiologist, and a writer, one of the most world's leading experts on psychedelics. Very interesting guy. And, uh, he's creating this place. I forget what it's called. Do you remember the name of the place? A lot of people I know do ayahuasca. That's an orally active version of DMT. This thing seems a little crazier because they can kind of regulate the dose much better, and they can keep you there for a long period of time. Eleusis. Okay, so like, like the Eleusinian Mysteries from the, from ancient Greece. So this place, it's in Bakuya. Am I saying that right? In the Caribbean in March of 2026. And the aim is to study DMTX and DMT entities and attempt to communicate with these entities. So one of the things that he's saying— so he was just on someone's podcast, maybe Danny Jones. Uh, he was been on this podcast as well.

Uh, but one of the things that he was saying was that they keep going to the same place. That you can act like it's— you're right, they're actually trying to create a map of whatever this experience is. So instead of doing it like an ayahuasca ceremony or doing it like you're smoking DMT and, um, you know, some sort of a psychedelic ceremony with your friends and it's a 15-minute experience, instead of that, they're having repeated experiences in the same environments. Like, there's actually a place that you can go, and by regulating the dose Somehow or another, over a prolonged period of time, it allows you to maintain this state and keep entering deeper and deeper into whatever the fuck this is. But it seems to be mappable. Okay, it was the basement. That's what it was. So it is AJ from The Y-Files, which is an awesome YouTube show if you've never seen it before. And so he's talking about it doesn't take you to somewhere new. It unlocked what's always there. These guys are— they're trying to develop like maps of what this is. So they keep experiencing— they're charting out different entities that you experience, and there's a bunch of different ones that you experience.

And one of them I've seen multiple times is jesters. Interesting. And these bizarre-looking psychedelic jesters. Interesting. I wonder if they were the original jesters. I wonder if, like, the reason why jesters dress the way they do with these dangly things off their heads, because this is what you experience in the psychedelic state, and they're trying to recreate it. But what they have done when I've done it is mock me and make me realize that I'm taking myself seriously. Like, one time there was like, like fractal— there's millions of them, I don't know how many— and they were all giving me the finger like this. Wow. And I was like, uh, and it was a— and I said, I go, I take myself too seriously. They go, yes, and they're going like that. That's it. It was like there's little corrections of your psyche that take place during these experiences. Interesting. It's very weird. I'm scared to do it.

Well, I'm scared I'll go in and it'll be fractals of JD Vance yelling at me. It's old George Soros. Yeah, it's old JD Vance going, "You need to learn about AI." No, I don't know. I find it fascinating.

Well, it is. It's definitely fascinating. Chase Hughes was just on the podcast and he did it somewhere in the United States where they did some 5-hour DMT experience. And he was, you know, it's like changes you. Whatever you are now is a totally different version of who you were before you had that experience. Interesting. Which is like life overall, over, you know, day after day, month after month, week after week, year after year. You become a different thing. You're a different person than you used to be. Sure. But sometimes an experience like a psychedelic experience can make it abrupt, and then you instantaneously become a different person.

It's so fascinating because we are having all these conversations about aliens and entities and demons and whatever.

I think it's connected. Yeah, I think what these psychedelic things allow you to do is experiencing things. You're experiencing things that are already there, that have been there all the time. You just lack the ability to see them. You're, you're tuning into it pharmacologically, like there's— they're changing the chemistry of your brain, and it's not an alien chemical. That's the nutty part about it. DMT is produced by the human body. It's produced in the brain, it's produced in the liver, in the lungs.

When you die, it releases. When you die?

I don't know. It's very poorly understood. It's— there's not— I mean, there's been some work done on it. One of the big ones is Rick Strassman. He wrote a book called DMT: The Spirit Molecule, and he did this. It was really kind of brilliant. He had an FDA study that he got. This is all like government-approved study on psychedelics under the guise he wants to find out how bad they are for you. Interesting. So he told them, we want to study the dangers of these drugs, and that's why he got all the money. Yeah. And so then he writes his book like, this shit's amazing. Smart. —And by doing that and then studying, they studied the Cottonwood Research Foundation, they're studying where DMT is coming from. So like the thought was that it's coming from the pineal gland. So the pineal gland is like literally a third eye in the middle of your head. But now they think it's coming from the whole brain. They don't really— there's— the human body produces it. That's the most important part. So the human body produces this, the most potent of all psychedelic chemicals. That transports you into another world.

Like, how weird is it that the body produces a gateway to some other place? Now, whether it's perceived or a hallucination, the experience is the same. So you can get hung up all the time on the— oh, you're just seeing things that aren't there. These are visions. Okay, maybe. Maybe what you're doing is experiencing something that's real. Like, it might not be something that you could put on a scale. It might not be something that you can measure with a ruler, but it doesn't mean it's not real. And I think we are very arrogant in our assumptions that we have an understanding of all that exists. With all that we know about bacteria and molecules and cells and— Right. —mitochondria, and then subatomic particles, and like, what— there's— just the reality that we've observed is so fucking bizarre. The idea that we know what's real and what's not real, and you can say, "Oh, it's just a hallucination." This is the reality, is you go to Tim Hortons, you get yourself a donut, you go to work, right? Yeah. No, I think I have a feeling that what that experience is, is you being able to see something that exists around you.

Well, a lot of people are very hopeful. I wasn't one of them per se, but this idea that like we were on the edge of some disclosure, that the government was going to start telling us things about extraterrestrials. And like, remember that?

Well, the creepiest one that kept going around was that, um, they had brought together a bunch of pastors to talk to them about disclosure, because disclosure— disclosure is going to disrupt the fabric of society so greatly. And the, the question was, what were they going to tell them? And so what I have been hearing from people that supposedly know things about UFOs was that they were told that religion was created by aliens to keep people in line, and that humans are the product of accelerated evolution, and they needed some sort of an origin story that made sense with rules and morals and ethics and guidelines to follow and something to worship because without that people are lost. And so that these aliens have created that.

Well, please let Trump say that in a press conference. He's the president to say that.

Yeah, I gotta talk to him. Have dinner with him.

He's the president to get on there and go, guys, listen, just, we don't know what's going on. The Straits of Hormuz, they're open, they're closed, they're open, they're closed. Who gives a fuck anymore? Anyway, there is no God. You were all created by aliens, and you were told a bunch of lies about it. Good luck. Keep going to work. Market's up. Straits open. Market's up.

It's not even that there is no God. It's that the God story that you've been told is— it's formulated in a way for your tribal primate brain to accept and understand. Right. And that there's probably a true story to all of it. It. If you go back far enough and if you got the actual events that they were trying to lay out, there's probably— there's too much of stuff that's in the Bible that like, is that historically verifiable?

Totally. But do you think they didn't tell people that because they thought it would be too disruptive? Well, here's the thing.

There's a lot of stuff that, you know, when you talk about the Bible, right, you're talking about a series of stories. Sure. Especially when you get to the Old Testament. It's a series of stories, and some of these stories aren't in the Bible that were a part of the religious canon of the day. And one of them is the Book of Enoch. So Ana Paulina Luna told me about— she's like, you really have to read that. And I was like, okay, like she was so adamant about it. I'm like, okay, let me read it. So I listened to it on tape in the sauna, which is the perfect way to do it. I'm listening to an audiobook. It's 195 degrees. Okay. I'm sweating my balls off. I'm dying in there. And I'm listening to this this fucking crazy account, right, that is in the same Dead Sea Scrolls as they found the Book of Isaiah. Totally the same collection of these religious texts. And it's all about how the Watchers came down and mated with the daughters of man and chose them as wives and then created this race of beings called the Nephilim, which were giants that ruled the earth.

Like, this is in the Bible. It's— they talk about the Nephilim. In the Bible. In the Bible. They talk about Enoch, like he's referenced in the Bible. Right. But the Book of Enoch, the stories that are in the Book of Enoch are fucking bananas, like completely bananas. And the only reason why it's not in the Bible, a bunch of rabbis decided that it didn't align with the Torah, the Torah, the Talmud, I forget which one. But they decided like this, this, this contradicts some of these stories that are in other religious texts. So we're going to keep that one out. Interesting. Because it was a collection of these things that's all together. Who are these rabbis? Exactly. Right. Well, I mean, who are all these people that wrote these things down? You know, I have this bit where I read out of the Book of Ezekiel, and there's like hilarious parts of the Book of Ezekiel. And then there's also parts that sound like they're talking about a UFO, like these profound experiences. And then other things we're talking about a prostitute. It's very funny. Right. But this whole thing is a bunch of people's interpretations of stories written down, passed down generation to generation, written largely intact once it was an original piece.

So, like, they found the Book of Isaiah in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and it's identical to the Book of Isaiah that is 1,000 years newer. So, that was older than the Book of Isaiah that they had by 1,000 years, the oldest one they ever found, and it was verbatim. Right. So, they— once they got these stories down, they they wrote them over and over and over again. And like, priests would learn to do that, and monks would learn to do that with their religious texts. They would rewrite things over and over again as part of the practice.

And someone knows— some— in some subterranean part of the government, they know something, or many things, that they're not going to tell people because it would be disturbing.

Or this was the story about Jimmy Carter. Now, the story about Jimmy Carter was Jimmy Carter, I believe in 1969, He had some sort of a very strange UFO experience that was very real to him, very bizarre, saw something. Yeah. And part of his thing was once he gets into office, he wants to tell people. The story is that he was briefed. They explained to him something about the reality of the UFO experience, like what it really is. And he was crying, that he wept openly. So what could that mean? Like, what would that mean? Well, he was kind of a guy. He was— yeah, he was a bitch.

And this Habitat for Humanity, I never understood. I thought it was— I think he's a genuinely, genuinely good person.

Of course he was.

He built houses for people.

Yeah, he was— never enriched himself.

But he was also, if you read books about him, he was kind of an operator too. Uh-huh. He was kind of— he was into the peanut stuff, right? He was a peanut farmer or something. Yeah, you know, he was— nobody gets to be the— yeah, he was sweeter. Sweetest.

Sweetest. Like, one of the sweetest of all the presidents.

He was still the president. But so they— who is doing this explaining? It's just the Men in Black people from the depths of Raven Rock or Cheyenne Military or wherever the hell they are.

What they could be doing is covering up years of lying to Congress and misappropriation of funds for all these black ops programs and the way they can get out of jail is saying— because if they go and— yeah, if they go and tell the government, oh yeah, by the way, we lied to Congress for 50 years. There's no solid verifiable evidence that Jimmy Carter cried. Of course there's no solid— Jamie, stop being a narc. He's a narc. He's a— because the UFO sighting— the Carter cried over UFO story is based on second or third-hand anecdotes. Those are my favorite. And is not confirmed by Carter himself or primary official sources. Uh, I think it's true. Uh, I think it's true about his 1969 sighting. Carter described seeing a strange light but did not mention crying or being emotionally shattered by it. Yeah, but I don't think that's what they're saying. They're saying he was emotionally shattered by the disclosure right after the UFO briefing.

You've got to live with that knowledge. So he's just got to go around now.

And Richard Dolan, who is by far one of the best guys to read about about UFOs and UAPs. Very balanced guy and like very evidence-based guy. He includes a lot of crazy stories, but he never goes along with them. Yeah. But Richard Dolan's really good. He's got a bunch of books. So I don't know if it's true.

Is the Jake Barber guy real?

He's the guy that said that he actually had to move a UFO, right? With a helicopter? Yes. I haven't talked to him.

I was just watching it, but it's too long. These UFO guys, it's all 3 or 4 hours. Like it's not—

Well, Jesse Michaels does a lot of very depth ones with these guys. Yeah, long. But the good thing about that is if someone's like really full of shit, after a couple of hours you kind of say— you see tendencies that maybe they're— they exaggerate, right? Make things up, or they leave stuff out, or whatever it is. But something's going on, right? There's something that people keep seeing. There's enough radar information, there's enough video that doesn't make any sense.

We never found out what those drones were. Remember that? They're all around the bases in New Jersey and stuff like that.

Yeah, it was crazy. It was crazy. I mean, people were scared to fly.

People say it's a domestic, it was domestic, it was us. That's what I've heard. But then, you know, who knows? Could be China.

Could be China flexing and pulling their dick out and saying, "Check out what we have, motherfuckers." Who knows? Who knows? But there was a lot of things that those things were doing that we don't know that they can do. One of the things, like, they were flying for hours at a time. And so what's the fuel source? 'Cause it's not batteries. Downed US pilot reported seeing Iranian drones swarm in jellyfish formation. Whoa. Well, they're probably getting drones from, you know, totally China, China, Russia.

Of course, they're getting worse.

So the highest end of high-end government drones that we don't know about, who knows what those fucking things can do. Multiple drones interconnected and moving as one with smaller drones below the bigger drones like legs, one of the sources familiar with the pilot's witness account told CNN. Real alien shit. Another source told CNN the pilot described witnessing a minefield of drones in the air. Holy shit, when did this happen? 13 hours ago this was posted. So 13 hours ago this F-15 got down? When— I mean, he's talking and they're reporting it, so I don't know the actual event, bro. How nuts is that? They got taken out by alien drones in April. Whoa, so he ejected from the aircraft The Iranian drones hovering in the air, moving as one in a formation that resembled a jellyfish. Fuck, dude.

Yeah, I mean, so there is a chance that it is our— it's DARPA and it's all of these countries that are, you know, you have these black projects, they have these secret defense projects and they're saying it's extraterrestrial.

I think if I was running an undercover operation for as many years as these people probably have been doing, doing. And with Eric Weinstein thinks— he thinks it's like a separate branch of physics. He said he thinks there's a bunch of physicists. So where do they get— so this is the story of the— we went and did the crazy invasion to get these guys back. Oh, this is those guys? Yeah. Oh, this is how they got taken out. Oh wow, this opens up a lot more questions. Wow, wow, wow. Right, right. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Use the heartbeat thing. That was the Right, that's what they said. What was it? So the heartbeat thing was the thing that they said that they were able to locate this guy's heartbeat, his, his very unique heartbeat in the mountains where he was hiding. Wow. And everybody was like, well, that's bullshit. I don't know. I don't know. And it's based on some sort of quantum something or another. What is it called again? And then the fucking White House said that— did you see that today? What they said? What they posted something on their— that they're gonna announce about quantum computing.

Oh Christ. Do you think that's a—

God's about to get bored. They were making a joke about Q with it. That's sort of why I asked if you guys had seen that. What's the joke about Q? I'll find the post. Okay. I think they have drones that move like UFOs. I think for sure.

Where are they getting this technology? I don't know. Do you think it's possible extraterrestrials are giving us technology?

It is possible. So the recent White House will be Q posting today was just trolling and having fun.

Yeah.

And by Q we mean quantum. Stay tuned. Look how much they're trolling.

QAnon people are the most committed people I've ever encountered. Yeah, they're fun. I've never encountered people who are so committed to anything.

The UFO people are close. Sure.

I mean, the Q people are 10 years in going, trust the plan, it's coming. And you go, guys, it's unbelievable how, how dedicated they are to the plan, and that it's still morphing and going in different directions. And the data centers are actually prisons for people who did the vaccine. They're not data centers. They're still going. And that level of commitment is what America is about. It's about about that. It's about not giving up. Yeah, don't give up. Don't give up. You're too deep in to give up. I— my advice to anyone in that movement: stay in it, because you— there's no— there's nothing good on the outside. Reality is not good. Stay in that movement. Take it as far as you can.

What would the government possibly have to announce about quantum computing? No idea. What was the quantum heartbeat —what was that thing called? How did they locate that, that gentleman? I don't remember them never coming out and saying, because people were speculating that, like, how could you even do it? I think someone came on the podcast the next day and was like, that's not how quantum stuff works, right? But I don't know if they know that for sure. Sure. So they don't really know what the technology is. But what was the technology that the government described? Because they described it as very bizarre, and there was a name for it that involved something quantum., and they said that somehow or another they were able to detect this guy's heartbeat. Right. Unique heartbeat from, I think it was like, was it 70 or 700 miles away? April 7th, this was posted on the New York Post. Secret never before used CIA tool that helps find airmen downed in Iran. If your heart is beating, we will find you. Wow. So this is it. Long range quantum magnetometry to find the electromagnetic signal of a human heartbeat that pairs with the data pairs the data with artificial intelligence software to isolate the signature from background noise.

And so how— what is the range on this stuff? Because they were saying it's 40 miles. I think they found this guy is what the claim was. But didn't they say the range is up to like 70 miles, something along those lines? So I don't know. How long have they had this, right?

Is it even real?

Yeah, but this is the thing, it's like, is it real? Like, so this is a post that's in the New York Post, and I think it was from Did someone release this as a statement? Like, what did they do to say they did it? The confirmation— okay, so Saturday morning, either CIA director talking about— yeah, there you go. See, it's missing American 40 miles away. That was unclear. Okay, that's Trump saying that. Not— so these are two different or three different speeches all going in together. I guess maybe they spoke at the same press conference. So here's the other thing. If that technology doesn't exist, right, and they just made that up to cover for technology that does exist. So maybe there's technology that does exist. That's some sort of large-scale satellite imagery of the Earth that gets down to like a grain of sand, and they can find anybody anywhere. They can just find out where the plane is, scan the area, bam, there he is. There he is. Okay, we don't want to say we have this, right? What are we gonna say? Okay, let's say we have quantum heart rate magnetometry. The ghost heart.

Yeah, we can find ghosts.

We couldn't find Ghislaine Maxwell in New Hampshire.

When that came out, people were asking, yeah, why couldn't you use it to find her?

She was in New Hampshire. Yeah, where is, you know, whatever.

Well, it could be that that technology just recently got invented. That's right. That's also possible. Well, there's still missing people. Guthrie's missing still, right? We shouldn't have missing people then if that technology exists.

That's a weird thing, and my heart goes out to her, but that's the craziest thing I've ever heard. Yeah, that's a weird one.

And didn't they like— they looked at family members as suspects, right?

I think they looked at family members. Is she back? And I think she's back to work in the story.

I don't know.

And isn't she back to work?

I don't know. Did— what did you say? There's a break in the story? No, I, I think the story got updated recently. Yeah, there's something about a note, ransom note, claimed Nancy Guthrie died. After abduction. Well, well, that's a—

well, you're not going to get ransom then.

Second ransom, no claim she died. Yeah, this is— well, that's how—

that's a horrible ransom note.

So someone posted a note saying that she died, I want money. It's a ransom note that says she died. What about—

what if it's she died, just give us— I'm reading headlines. What if it's she— we're sorry she died, just give us what you want. It's not a— it's not a specific amount of money, it's just give what you feel is It's like church. Give what you can. We're sorry she passed away. Give what you can. We're not gonna say a specific amount of money.

So the note sent days after the disappearance— oh, so this is not new— oh, indicated she had died but contained no request for payment for the release of her body. 3 people familiar with the matter said, though the existence of the note was known, the specific contents had not been previously disclosed. So it's just the contents were disclosed that they knew that she was dead.

It seems like it's an inside thing. It seems like if someone's involved that knew them, I mean, I hate to think that, but it does feel like it.

What was the, was there a request for money? What was the first request? Originally? Yeah. I think it was a bunch of Bitcoin or something they wanted. What it, well, let's find out what it was.

It's a, it's a harmful thing, obviously. I'd like to know, but it does seem like this is an inside job. Well, someone certainly, Okay, the Rams family's involved. Maybe not. I don't know.

Hmm. So this is all bringing up stuff about— ask AI. Press AI mode. You can't do it? Okay, put it in there. Put it in perplexity. How much do you think they asked for? I bet $10 million. $10 million? For mom? $5 million? $5 million? Let's see.

$10 million is a lot.

Multimillion-dollar payments in cryptocurrency, mostly Bitcoin, with amounts ranging from about $4 to $6 million and set deadlines, sometimes with escalating or else consequences. Terrible.

This is insane. But think about it. Is that random? I guess it could be. It could be.

But there was There was some concern that it was a family member.

There was concern that it was something that a family member did this. Yeah. Who knows? It's sick.

Yeah. The Bitcoin thing's weird too. Like, you can transfer money in Bitcoin.

There was a group of people that wanted me to advertise on my podcast, and it was a, um, like a meme coin thing, and that was like a platform, whatever. And then I was like, but their like identities were shrouded in— people knew who they were, but they were also very secretive because they didn't want to get kidnapped. And they split their time between Dubai and London. And CAA, you know, came to me and they were like, hey, they want to give you a bunch of money. And I go, what are they? And CAA is like, well, you know, it's crypto. You know, they don't— you know, I mean, demons from hell. No offense, love my people. But they were— I was like, I gotta meet them. I gotta meet them and sit down and talk to them as human beings and like ask them what their company does and everything like that. And then immediately once I requested that, they said, okay, they'll all meet you in Dubai and talk to you about the company. I said, I can't, I need to know, like, I know, like, you know, whatever. They pulled the offer and wouldn't meet.

Interesting. Yeah, yeah. So there's, there's all these shit, because by the way, here's a great way to fuck someone, is to advertise on their show and then go, by the way, the money came from Russia. Yeah. And you didn't even know that.

Well, didn't that happen to a bunch of right-wing influencers? I'm sure it happened. Were they a part of some—

it's hard to know who knew what. But like, it's great, what a great way to just make people appear compromised. So when somebody, when you go, where's this money coming from? Maybe it's an intelligence agency. Maybe it's ours, maybe it's someone else. But you start going like, all right, I need to sit down with you, have dinner with you. It doesn't mean that I would necessarily be able to know who, like if these guys were legit or not, but the fact that they wouldn't even meet for a dinner tells me that something was up. Also, a friend of mine who's working at a company that's producing young shows, long-form shows for YouTube creators, told me that a lot of the money is coming from Democrat super PACs because they want a captive audience to be programmed politically. And not only Democrat super PACs, but like super PACs that are associated with certain issues and things like that. So what they're gonna start doing is like getting behind content and, you know, funding longer-form things on social media platforms and things like YouTube or whatever. And then those companies that are kind of in the background of this will then say, oh, we have an audience of 5 or 10 million people watching this.

We can put political ads on it and whatever else. Jeez. So I mean, this is kind of, I think the future is going to be We see many things like this.

And when you can do it through something like crypto, like if you can hide your identity, like who knows if it's even a real company. It could be a company designed entirely just for influence.

It's very questionable. You have the intelligence world, you have the crypto world, and you have the world of international crime syndicates. Like they all live in that world. I'm not saying people that are into crypto inherently suspect in any way. Obviously they're not, but there is a lot of fuckery going on with the intelligence stuff and the crypto.

It's like obvious. Clearly, clearly, whenever there's money, if the amount of money that you can make in crypto is fucking bananas and it doesn't make any sense, right? So whenever there's money in drugs, right, like this is Iran-Contra. Yeah, there's money in anything. They find a way to get a part of that money.

I think what concerns people people partially about this administration is some of the crypto stuff. I think people are concerned with some of the coins and some of the crypto.

Well, Melania coin's legit.

That one I love, but the rest I worry. No, but I think it's a fair concern.

It is, 'cause it's legal. It's legal, but it's like, should it be? Is it, should it be?

Should it be? It should be, for sure.

I mean, there's some freedom to you being able to make your own coin, and you back it with money, I guess. But it's also a way that you could launder money, and it's also a way you could pay people off for stuff.

And dupe people into spending their money, you know what I mean? Like, I think a lot of people— yeah, I mean, that poor girl, huh?

Poor girls, they got her. They got her.

They got her. They got her. I hope she did well on that.

I bet she didn't. Really? Probably not, certainly in terms of what she could be doing. Sad. Because as soon as they get mad at you for something like that, well, then they don't like you anymore.

She did the wrong thing, and it's sad. She didn't know.

Is she like 22 or something?

I also don't know if she was gonna be Meryl Streep, but it was—

Listen, the Cash Me Outside girl makes more money than anybody. It's true.

But I think it could have gone on longer than it— What a society we live in. I mean, that just hit me. That just like hit my brain that she makes more money than anybody, and it's true.

I was listening to your take on the White House UFC card being the end of MAGA. Yeah. And that the moment when that guy said Michelle Obama is a man.

Yeah. Well, it's just the greatest thing for if you're a deep, deep hardcore, and I don't even mean the like the America First principles, I just mean like you're along for the ride, you're here for the party. There's a lot of MAGA people that I'm friends with that are deep, that they're not political, they're along for the part, they like to party, right? They want fun. They're in Florida, it's 4 PM, they're drunk, you know what I mean? And they're, they're in for the fun and it's fun. They have like, they they have like boat shows and regattas where like a bunch of boats will go out with Trump flags. When they're watching that UFC event in their house in St. Augustine or Tampa or, or fucking West Palm, whatever it is, and that guy stands up because Michelle Obama is a man, it's the culmination of things that you— they're not going to beat that. It's hard to beat that. That— there were houses that cheered. Cheered when that happened. 100%.

How many do you think over the whole country?

It was audible in Florida. Florida, I know for sure, was audible for sure. People cheered, and it was like— listen, like outside bars. Yeah, it was a party. The fights were good. You, you know, it's like, to me, it's like there's this— there's this— every cultural thing has a moment where it just explodes. And it's over after that. You know, it's like Hunter Thompson has that famous quote about it where he was part of this thing and then it just, you know, we saw it happen with like celebrity culture. A lot of it, like that Imagine video during COVID was kind of the end of that. Like people are like, shut up. Yeah. Like it really, it was like they did that video and they didn't know it at the time, but people really started to turn on them. They were like, just shut up.

There was the other one, the BLM one. Totally.

All of them. Sorry to be white or whatever it was. Same shit. Same kind of thing. I think people just said, "Okay, enough of this." And I do think that every movement just gets to a point where you've done all you can do. You've done all you can do. And when you are standing in the octagon of a UFC fight on the White House lawn, and you're asked if you have anything to say, and you scream, "Michelle Obama's a man," that is the clock has struck midnight. That's that. I mean, I don't know what else you could do.

That guy, Josh Hokett. Yeah.— that's like, he's got a shtick, like he's got a character. Todd's fun! The Incredible Hulk. And so he's basically like a pro wrestling bad guy who also is a really good fighter. Right. So there's a real problem there.

What should have happened? This guy keeps winning. Yeah, and he says crazy stuff.

Well, they probably, in retrospect, if they wanted to avoid this, probably shouldn't have had him fight on the White House lawn. Sure. Because if he said that at the T-Mobile Arena or in Madison Square Garden— Outrageous, sure, but not that big a deal.

But it's the— yeah, but here's what should have happened afterwards. Michelle Obama should have made an Undertaker-like entrance. Let's go in.

All of a sudden the lights go out, and then the light goes on on the balcony. Michelle Obama comes on a cord, then she flies over.

If Michelle Obama had made an Undertaker Undertaker-like entrance and got in the stage and then body slammed— like, can you imagine? Unbelievable. That would have been amazing. The country just exists for ratings now anyway. It's all it exists for. It's just— that's all we're doing anymore. That would have been unbelievable. Here it is. This isn't the Undertaker, but this is what you guys are—

I think—

yes, yes, yes, yes! She's in the ceiling the entire time. Michelle Obama comes down. You see Trump, Trump starts doing his dance. He's doing his Trump dance. Michelle Obama comes down. She's got a cape, bro.

It would be the end. It would've been un-fucking-believable.

And she would've been president next. She would've been president next with no election. No election. Vance is gonna stand up to that. She should've descended from the rafters in a cape, fought that guy. You know, you know, choreographed.

Yeah, just body slam them. It's fun, fake.

And then she does an uppercut and then he's on a cord and he sails out. Unbelievable missed opportunity. Missed opportunity because why not? Why not have some fun? Yeah, why not?

Why not have a little fun there? They said, or some wrestling event there they could still pull it off.

They could do it. And if she's smart, she hears this and she's on her phone with her people. Don't sue them. They were going to sue them. They thought about suing them. It's like, what? Stop with the suing all the time in this country. Yeah, do something fun.

I agree.

Too much suing.

Well, there's— there is this moment where the UFC thing was going on where like the planes flew overhead where it's just like, I'm like, is this even real?

It was wild. It's such an amazing spectacle. It's hard to top. It was pretty amazing. That's what I mean.

Like, as a piece of entertainment.

Of course.

It was also the only UFC card in the history of the sport where every fight was a knockout. Yeah.

It's— this was the— this is senior prom. Everyone's gotta go to college next year. And wherever they go, this is it, this is the party.

This is life. Jack in the bag.

There's a moment after senior prom, or some party that you have senior, the summer of senior, and you're looking around at all your friends, you're all high and drunk, and you're looking around, and if you're smart, and most people, a lot of them have this thought, they go, this is never gonna be like this again. Right. This will never be like this again. We'll never be able to get together on the White House lawn and do motocross, and watch UFC and call Michelle Obama a man. It started when he walked down the escalator. We went through a lot of things. The guy almost got shot. Who knows who did it? No one knows. No one seems to care. Whatever. Fine. Moving on. But, you know, he's, he's, you know, he's gone through many iterations. He's been out. He's been in. It's the most, it's the most interesting story really in recent human history. And, and this is the party to throw. And it's wild, because we're not gonna win the Iran War. We're not gonna win the Iran War. It seems very clear that it's very difficult to imagine a scenario where we come out with a decisive victory.

So instead of that, we did this.

How is there no more open investigation into the assassination attempt? What happened there? 'Cause that's where Kent said that he was told to stop investigating.

Well, do you know, do you want it honestly done? Do you know who you put in charge of it if you want it Truly, and I'm being very serious, if you want an honest investigation, put Israel in charge. Joe, if you want, if you want it done right, have them do it. That's all I'm saying. Just have them do it. Just have them do it. I would trust—

You think they should look at the Charlie Kirk assassination as well? I would trust their conclusion.

Have them do it. That would be my thought.

Just, just a fun thought. There's a lot of people that think it was a hoax and that it was a setup.

And if it was, I've said on my show, just tell us how you did it because that's fun too. It's fun.

Pennsylvania men shot during Trump rally in Butler sue the United States. Two men who were wounded in the shooting, um, they're suing. James Copenhaver and David Dutch were shot shot during attempted assassination of Trump. Their attorneys filed federal lawsuits against the United States for their life-altering physical and emotional injuries, claiming those injuries were the direct result of negligence on the part of the United States Secret Service. Dutch was shot in the stomach while Copenhagen was shot twice.

Yeah, I mean, the suing ever end in this country?

But there's an argument that that was negative negligence.

Remember that woman Kim Cheadle who was in charge, and then they put her back in a bunker? Who? She was in charge of the Secret Service.

Kim Cheatham. That's right, that's right. She was like Dick Cheney's assistant.

The rope was too sloped or something. Yeah, she said the roof was too sloped to get the cops up there. But they shot the guy and he didn't even fall, he didn't roll off the roof. Like the whole thing's—

Well, the slope of the roof that they were on was steeper.

If it's a faked assassination attempt, I don't care. I want to know how it was done, and so does the rest of America. Produce a special. Where Barry Weiss interviews Donald Trump about how they faked the assassination attempt. Put it on CBS where she's doing— and she's taking over CNN now. So I think— and she's now isolated herself on the 6th floor of CBS where she can no longer see the staff and they cannot approach her. Is that true? That is correct. And she is guarded by guards. What? Yes.

Where'd you hear this?

This is in the news. She is— she's in a bunker like Dick Cheney in the PEOC during 9/11, except it's Barry Weiss at CNN. Surrounded by guards, and no one can— and it's like, it's, it's like a militarized zone. She's in a militarized zone.

Barry in the bunker and Alison at the gates.

Yeah, is this real? She's unbelievable. By the way, I like her more now, and she hates me, and that's sad. Why does she hate you? Well, you know, I've said things, but here's the thing, I like her more now than ever.

Did she start hating you after your hilarious impression?

I— she's turned on me. She turned on me a while ago. Turned on you how? She texted me and was like, "You're part of a world in which people are antisemitic." And I'm like, "Well, am I? What am I— what? What am I doing?" And she's like, "You're part of this thing." And I was like, "Well, that's like, what am I— why am I— what is this guilt by association?" I don't like this.

Part of a thing that's anti-Semitic.

Yeah, she's like, you're part of a cultural space of anti-Semitism. And I'm like, so is she connecting you to anti-Semites? She's connecting me to all these different people because if it— the thing that she hated and the thing that she crusaded against was this whole idea that like she's applying the same principles that she supposedly didn't like, which is like if you're willing to have a conversation with somebody, you endorse every one of their views. Or if you you question something like Israel, you hate Israel or you hate Jewish people, which is insane. Right. And that was, I thought she was the one who was like, we should have nuance on the trans issue. What happened to that? Right. What happened to being able to question gender ideology and all these things? Like, why aren't we, where's the nuance? Where's the, why aren't we holding space for nuance, Barr?

Mm. CBS News boss Barry Weiss poised to oversee CNN editorial operations. Yeah, this is what he just said, right? Right? Yeah, I saw that.

But she's living her best life, as people would say. This is what she was meant to do. And when someone steps into their truth, I support them. And she has stepped into her truth. She's exactly where she should be— in a bunker guarded by the military while she systematically destroys, uh, CBS. She's stepping into her truth. This is what she was— that she was put there to destroy it. She was obviously put there to destroy it. She wasn't put there to make it work. Work. She's put there to just destroy it, and she's doing it.

Do you think they understood the amount of pushback that they were going to get? I don't think they—

I think they said, listen, let's just put her in there and see what happens, because who cares? Like, the— but it's like, these legacy media institutions are dying. They're not turning around. No one's going back to watching the evening news. And they know that. These are billionaires. They're not idiots. The Ellisons are not dumb. They don't— they said, let's have a little fun while this thing goes.

It says she took the helm of the struggling organization last month with a mandate to shake it up following David Ellison-led Skydance takeover of CBS parent company Paramount in 2024. Paramount Skydance bought Weiss's online outlet, the Free Press, for a cool $150 million. As she became editor-in-chief of CBS News. Yeah, it's a lot of money for the free press.

Well, no, because if you look at the podcast ratings, it was— it was you, and then she was number 2. Wow. So that's why— no, she would get 7,000 YouTube views, and it seems high. It certainly seems like a lot, but you know, when you take into account her cultural impact—

It's interesting because when it came to her pushing against woke ideology that infected the New York Times, she seemed really reasonable. And there's this very famous clip of her talking to Bryan Stelter, where she talks about the world gone crazy. Remember that? The world gone mad?— Yes.— Where she very brilliantly lays out why, if this is what you're saying— When people are saying that silence is violence, And not actual violence is violence. The world's gone mad. And she lays these all out. It's so brilliant.

Well, there's got to be room for nuance. Like, October 7th was horrible. Hamas is not good. We all know this. However, you also cannot look at what's gone on the last few years and think that Israel has not, number one, perpetrated— you could call it— I call it a genocide. People can call it anything they want. Doesn't matter.. It's a campaign of mass murder where a lot of people have died, civilians have died, many children have died, people that are innocent have died, and they're starting to do something similar in southern Lebanon, and they're now talking about Turkey, going, by the way, Turkey also is a problem. Turkey's a NATO fucking country. So the idea that any criticism of Netanyahu or the Israeli government or Israel or our relationship with Israel or money makes you antisemitic is an insane thing. It's the exact thing that she fought against in race and gender. She fought against that Manichean good and evil, black and white. She fought against it and she was right. She was correct to say you should be able to have conversations about when is it appropriate for a child to be exposed to certain ideas.

And when should they be able to make a determination about how they want to live their life, and like, when is it appropriate for people to call, you know, to designate between a protest and a legit— and a riot, and the silence is violence, and all of that stuff. She had really pretty logical opinions on all that stuff, but when it came to that one issue, she seems very incapable of understanding any nuance or gray area or complexity regarding this particular issue.

No, she is all in for Israel.

And that's fine, that's her choice, and I get it. But it's so obvious when a Mark Levin goes, "The president's great 'cause we're going into Iran 'cause the president's great. He's the greatest leader of all time." And then he goes, "Well, this didn't work out like we thought. We're gonna make a deal and we're gonna try to And then Mark Levin goes, "This is a failure. This is a blunder. This is a strategic thing." And it's like, for who? Is it for us? It's not a failure for— It's clearly a failure for us, but it seems like the bigger failure would be for Israel that wants Iran neutered because they have aspirations regionally, globally, but certainly regionally. So who's it a failure for? And that's a fair question. And I think it's like, you've gotta be able to have that conversation without being tarred and feathered as someone who's like a conspiracy mongering antisemite, which is like very, there's a group of people that are, but a lot of people just want sanity. And this is not sane.

And just like you were talking about with the banks forcing that shit down people's throats, that it's gonna make them Yeah, yes, same thing.

Nobody understands blowback. Like the CIA term blowback, when you like go into a country, kill everyone, and they go, you like us, right? They go, no, not really, we killed your mother, but we're sorry, but you want the mall, we're gonna build them all. They go, no, we're gonna, we're gonna bomb you and try to kill you. This is blowback. There's blowback when you shut down conversations and, and, and I mean, in order to shut people up, you gotta pay 'em or kill 'em. That's the only way to do it. If you don't pay people a lot of money or kill them, they're gonna talk. And if you don't, if you limit that, they're going to get angrier and the blowback is going to be intense.

Well said. Yeah? Yeah, I mean, that's entirely accurate. CBS News, I'll go on.

That's the thing. I have no beef with her. I like her. I like that she's in a bunker. I will go on to that show. I'm there.

Things that I thought was hilarious, —some fake story was that they were gonna bring me on for 60 Minutes.

Everyone keeps saying that. I texted you about it. I'm like, are you doing 60 Minutes? I thought that was wild, but why not? I mean, what, you know, half the staff has left. One of that guy, that guy Bill Paley, just got out. Yeah, she got out. And then she's got that dokapul, whatever his name is, in the evening news crying like a psychopath.

Who's that?

He's the guy who does the CBS Evening News. News, and his first episode, he's in Miami and he's crying. Can you get that up? It's unbelievable. He's the anchor of the news. Why is he crying? He's crying because he starts talking about his family and how he grew up in Miami. It's unbelievable. This is the guy who was selected to run the CBS Evening News, to be the anchor of the CBS Evening News. And like, he does this thing where he's in Miami and they take him out of the chair because they want to start— she's shaking it up. Up. Barry's shaking it up. So instead of sitting at a desk and doing the thing, they bring him to Miami to like visit his childhood places, and he starts sobbing in a— I forget, it was like a restaurant or something. Jamie, you can find it.

Didn't have him crying for some reason.

It was just talking. He's crying in like a restaurant, or he start— he gets like choked up, and it's deeply uncomfortable, and it's really weird. And he starts talking about how he had a hard childhood. It's like unbelievable. This is the guy.

Embarrassing first day CBS Evening News, savaged by staff. It's state TV. Whoa. In conversation with one of his handlers during an ad break, Pete Hegseth said during his interview with Tony— how do you say his name? Doc— Docapole. Docapole. We did it at Barry's request and because CBS News did something right on this. I wish you had him crying.

I wish you had him in that restaurant.

So his Marco Rubio's moment is what he's talking about?

No, he's in Miami and in Doca Pool. Yeah, I mean, yeah, this is psychotic.

You have to watch it. So he just keeps crying? Maybe that's his thing. You know, like George Hamilton was tan all the time. He's crying.

He's talking about— Yeah, look at this. Look at that. This is the anchor of the CBS Evening News. So he's being interviewed. Yeah. Can we listen to this?

I'm trying to— I can't. Facebook's weird. Damn it. Doesn't let me control the player. Goes— there it goes. To show up. Can we get a second? Yeah, take it from the beginning so I know what he's crying about.

Well, it makes me emotional. It's so funny. I didn't mean— I didn't think it would catch— you know, This is your favorite place in the world. Why? Why South Florida and Miami? Ah, it makes me emotional. It's so funny. I didn't mean anything to catch you, you know, because you only have one childhood, right? So Let me get a second here.

No, you're okay.

I can relate. This is home. People will— to help people understand why I have such a reaction, uh, Florida is where I grew up.

Oh, watching something.

We didn't get a I haven't had a lot of sleep. No, it's okay. My grandmother's here, my father, my mother, my aunts and uncles, cousins. And it's where I would have spent all of my childhood, but we left because my father got in some trouble with business. This is like, we laugh about it now, but he was a drug dealer. But he was a drug dealer, he went to jail. It's kind of a haha thing that we say now, but the reason it's so emotional for me— is because I feel like I was robbed.

It's kind of a haha thing.

He's this head of the CBS Evening News. He's the anchor of the CBS Evening News. This is what drives everyone so crazy about the world, how fake everything is. That's the guy? That's the best guy for the job? This is— when I grew up, you would go see Whitney Houston and go, fuck, she's good. I can't sing like that. Who cares if she smokes crack? She deserves it. You watch this and it drives you insane. You go, this guy's crying, his father's a drug dealer. This is who's the best guy for the job? He's gonna have to report on that, like, like murder, war, famine, whatever, and he's crying in a a fucking— in some Cuban restaurant about his drug dealer father, so they had to leave Miami. No one believes anything's real anymore. This is a huge problem in our world. People— the people go, that's the guy? That's the anchor of the CBS Evening News? It's crazy.

Well, the other guy who was on, a bunch of people attacked him after he left, right? So he left, and apparently he made it very public.

Yes, Scott Pelley or —something. Big public outburst. Yeah, yeah.

So what was he pissed about? He was saying something about they were going against science, or some of it had to do, I believe, with climate change. Some of it had to do with a bunch of other things that he disagreed with, where the news organization— let's find out what his exact complaints were.

Yeah, let's find out. I don't know what they were, but, you know, Barry chairs the meetings there, and really She goes on and embarrasses herself and on the calls and stuff has no idea what she's talking about. And so here it is.

Following his criticism, uh, news editor Barry Wise, 60 Minutes executive producer Nick Bilton, uh, at a staff meeting, Peli was fired by CBS News. What did he say? Um, when CBS fired Peli, uh, Bilton wrote a cover letter which obtained by the New York Times. Bilton stated as follows. Your antipathy? Antipathy to the future of the show has come through loud and clear, and I have heard you. Therefore, write on behalf of CBS News Inc. to inform you that your employment with CBS is terminated for cause effective immediately. Next day, Weiss said, I'm only interested in working in a newsroom that is built on trust and mutual respect. Okay, so what did he say? "Pelly accused the new CBS leadership of instructing him to insert falsehoods into a political story and to include assertions that were not verified, instructions he says he ignored. The collapse of values at the top has become untenable. The leadership at 60 Minutes is no longer recognizable. The principles I hold dear are gone, and so I must leave as well." I wonder what exactly they meant, though, by the falsehoods in a political story and including assertions that were not verified.

Well, oh, here it is. It says, um, the story CBS intervened on was a report about the 2026 protests in Minnesota, and the falsehood CBS asked for was to describe protester Renee Goode as driving her car toward the officer who killed her, which Pelly said contradicts video evidence of the event. That's correct. It seemed to me that he was— the lady was trying to turn the car away from him. But it did brush up against the guy, which is enough for him to decide to kill her. Well, I know it, but it wasn't— it was not— she was trying to run him over.

No. And I think it—

but however, that guy had been dragged by a car very recently, so he's probably filled with PTSD. Almost fucking died. I think he got dragged like 300 yards, rather.

I think it's fair to ask at this point—

300 feet.

Yeah, but I think it's also fair to ask at this point, like, what is the media media? Like, what is the media? Like, all due respect to Barry Weiss, but like, so it was a heavily inflated price for her blog that she sold, and YouTube channel, whatever. It's clearly, there's clearly a political agenda to this. You have billionaires that own all of these companies, and we're asked to believe that like, she's the most qualified for the job, even though she's never ran a newsroom, she didn't like, work her way up the ranks, she's an op-ed head columnist and opinion writer and stuff like that. Great. She made a lot of sense. We said it before. And then she appoints, hires this guy who's crying in a restaurant in Miami about his dad. And it's like, who the hell's that guy? So I think it's fair to ask, like, do we have any trust left in these institutions? Do we have any trust left? And like, people that work there are leaving and saying, I'm being asked to insert things into this that isn't true.

Well, that alone, just that alone, like driving the car towards the officer, that's not— that's just not technically correct, right? It seems like she was steering it away. Why would they want to say something that's not correct when you could just see it in a video? Like, if you were running a newsroom, that would be the last thing you would want to do is contradict something that's obviously verifiable. So that would— for what reason would you sacrifice your credibility? Because that's essentially what it's doing. You're— yeah, it's such a short-term play.

Yes, but I'll tell you exactly why. Okay. Because their main demographic is 70-year-olds who are having strokes on their couch. They're not verifying this. They're not— they have a very old audience that is not online savvy. They're not looking at many angles. They have cataracts, and they're hearing this, and it allows them to dismiss it as, well, she did the wrong— you know, she drove of justifiable shooting. Yeah, I don't think there's—

But somebody's motivating them to do that for those people.

Well, for Schutz, yeah. But why? Yeah, well, because she's in the tank for Trump, because Trump promised, or maybe didn't promise, but like whatever, he's useful in the sense that he's gonna go in and topple the regime in Iran, he's gonna sue all these, or he's gonna bring Harvard College to heel for whatever the hell they did. And she believes that, and again, a lot of this is just connected to her view that Israel's interests are always 100% concurrent with America's, and Trump gets that and he understands that. So she's in the tank for Trump, which by the way, if Biden would've invaded Iran, she would've started protecting him. It doesn't seem like it's, she doesn't care that much about about a ton of issues. It seems to be that this is her big issue.

That's a disturbing thing to a lot of people. Like, how much influence do they really have on this country? That's what creeps people out because I think no one even really considered it before October 7th. It wasn't— I mean, I'm sure people considered it. Nick Fuentes considered it. It wasn't like it was an openly discussed thing amongst young people. Right. It wasn't until we started realizing, first of all, it was AIPAC. It was the weirdness of the New York City mayoral race. Yeah, of course. Very weird. Where they were all like, "We're gonna visit Israel." Like, what?

Well, it's also in direct opposition to the stated goal of the Trump administration, which is to repair the United States and to make it great and to elevate it and to focus on the United States to not go into Middle Eastern wars, which was a huge, very popular plank of his platform, and to not waste money and saddle ourselves with debt and mire ourselves in these unwinnable wars. And there was such a gaslighting campaign. The Secretary of State came out after the Iran War and goes, "Well, Israel's gonna attack them anyway, and our bases were gonna be vulnerable, so we had to join." And then he went, "No, I didn't mean that. I didn't really mean that. We're partners and we both think it's a great idea." And there was tremendous pressure on him to do this. And you know, it hasn't worked. And it's clearly not in the interest of the United States to be in a Middle Eastern war with Iran. Tons of Jewish people don't believe it is. Lots of, you know, people from all walks of life don't believe it, but there's an ideological group of people that donate a lot of money and that are incredibly powerful and they are really pushing this.

They're pushing troops and they're pushing nukes. Or non, you know, unconventional weapons, like crazy bombing campaigns. They're pushing troops on the ground. They don't care what it takes. Iran has to be either completely destroyed or it's just gotta be a chaos zone. But for the regional ambitions of Israel, they can't, it can't exist. So I mean, again, and not in a paranoid conspiratorial way, because I don't like the victim stuff either as a bunch of people in America being like, like, "I can't get ahead because Jewish people are successful." I think that's a stupid road to go down. That's a victim road. I hate that. I hate it. I hate it when gay people do it or anyone, any group of people. I hate when they drench themselves in victimhood. I think when you become a victim, you lose autonomy over your life. It's insane. But I do think there's a fair question to ask about what is, you know, What is the motive of, of certain massive big donors? Is the motive the strength and prosperity of America, or is it the strength and prosperity of Israel? That's a fair question. Yeah.

And like, what about the rest of the world? Like, how, how much are we putting ourselves at odds with the rest of the indescribably the worst PR ever.

And, you know, people cannot justify, you know, you've gotta be a very ideological person to justify, you know, Southern Lebanon, Gaza, Iran, perhaps Turkey. This is starting to feel like, this is like a friend you have who you make excuses for for a certain amount of time. And then your wife eventually goes, "They're not allowed here. You can't go out with them. They're a problem. They have a fucked-up home life. I know they're fun. I know you share values. I know that you enjoy each other. You've known each other for a long time. But here's the deal. They're not coming to the house, and they can't be around the kids." Because, you know, that's what it's coming down to.

It was even worse than that. The thing that drives me crazy is the negotiation. Negotiators. When they get negotiators, then they wind up whacking them.

They kill all the negotiators.

They killed them in the Iran deal. And then Trump tells them, stop killing the negotiators.

Stop bombing Lebanon. Is this Iran deal gonna work? Is it gonna work? You know? Stop bombing Lebanon. I think we're at odds now. We're in the last 2 years, we are now, it's, we're at odds with Israel for the first time, where Trump is really at odds with them, and he's had enough, and I think he is starting to understand that his legacy will be permanently tainted if he doesn't find a way to extricate us from this war. And I think on the other side, and that's— and Vance, again, for all the disagreements I might have with Vance about certain things, he is one of the only people in that administration who does push against the continuation of this war. Which is why a lot of those neoconservative donors try to destroy him because of that. I don't love his tech alliances. There's a lot of things I don't like about him, but there's a lot of things I think are good about him. I think there's, and it's not like I don't like about him per se. I worry about, you know, some of his relationships.

How many, how many of these relationships do you think are like necessary for survival?

I'm sure all of them are. And that doesn't mean, and they, but they still need to be criticized and looked at.

Oh yeah. 100%. Not justifying it at all, but I'm saying I have a feeling like no completely autonomous person is ever gonna make it through that maze. Never, never.

But I think the job is you turn the heat up enough where maybe if everyone's gonna do 10 horrible things, they do 2, right? So I think it's, it's certainly the job of anyone who looks at this stuff to look at it and go, yeah, what is going on? What is happening? Happening. But I will say, for all of the tech, you know, things that I find a little, you know, it's a little like, what? I do, I do think that to his credit, he's the only one in there, and you can tell, and it's not that I, I have some inside knowledge, they're only— he's being attacked the most by the people that want the war to continue. Yeah. And I think he knows his political ambitions will be completely destroyed by a continuation of this war. So I look at all these people not as human beings, even though they are human beings, but I look at them as like they're running the show, they're running the country, so they all have ambitions, and it's hard to know their hearts or heads or how they feel from one day to the next. It's very difficult.

So I think when you look at them, you look at them and you go, yeah, he's a— he's calculated and ambitious, but he also is the one being attacked by people that want the war to continue. Tucker Carlson, who again, I have agreements with Tucker, I have disagreements with Tucker, he— the attacks on him are insane. The attacks on Megyn Kelly are wild because of this issue. It's not a myriad of issues, it's this issue.

Yeah, undoubtedly. And it's weird. It's weird because it's so transparent. It's so transparent and the whole world is seeing it play out. And it's like the amount of gaslighting that you have to keep pumping. Yeah. It's not sustainable.

Well, to say that this was not in the interest, this was in America's interest. You have to jump around logically so much.

Well, this is also the problem with the justification of what happened in Gaza. When people people will try to say Israel, like Gad was saying, they're doing the best they can. Like, look at the drone footage. Fly over that. That's the best you can do. That's crazy. Like, it's better. Is that better than a nuke? Because I don't think it is. It's like, it's, it's inhumane. It looks like the damage of a nuke just spread out over 2 years instead of one blast. It's inhumane.

It's evil. It's children being killed. It's mothers being killed in front of their children. And by the way, October 7th was inhumane, But I shouldn't have to keep doing that.

Of course you shouldn't have to do that, but it's also October 7th. You know, the people that got killed, those are the ravers, right? Right. So those are the people that were anti-Netanyahu. Totally. Those are not the people that were—

They also killed, I think, probably a lot of like, they dragged people out of their houses.

Oh, they killed a ton of people that were completely—

It's a bad situation there.

Look, it's also like, why did it take so long to respond to that?

Well, this is another very interesting, very important question. Yeah. Because there's a lot of people that say it's a state the size of New Jersey and the security failures are, they're pretty wild and there hasn't been a real investigation into them. And Netanyahu's kind of prevented that. And they've kind of made it illegal to question that in Israel. Like people were like writing about that and going, what the hell's going on? But like, nope. It's illegal? Israel? Well, there was— they've made a law, and you can look this up, about things like this in Israel. Because during wartime, they haven't had an elec— they had an election? No. Since October 7th? No. Right, right. They haven't had an election because of the war, right, right. And Ukraine hasn't had an elec— nobody's had an elec. So if I'm living in a country and the leader of my country just wants to be in a war forever There is no democracy? Well, you know, Clinton said that.

Clinton said that about Netanyahu. He said he wants to maintain a war. I mean, he said it openly in an interview.

Right. And then a nice chubby intern showed up. Oh, I wish.

And a nice chubby intern showed up. I wish I could go back in time before the internet and all these busybodies was around. He was the first guy to go viral.

So, I mean, that's the thing. You don't have elections, you don't have people looking into things. And by the way, that's not the only thing that should be looked into. Look into, look into everything, right? Where are the 9/11 docs? What happened? Can we know? Why can't we know anything? What? Why can't we know anything? Yeah, you know, this is all of it. It's like, release all— we're all adults, release it, let's see what happened.

But I'm sure it's fine.

I'm sure no one did anything naughty.

I think this is all kind of breaking though, and I think that one of the breaking— one of the things that's happening with AI, it's like all these things that they are protecting us from. They're gonna— we're gonna find out that stuff. Well, here's the thing.

I mean, I met you in 2019. I— the first time I met you was 2018. Big Jay Oakerson was opening for you in Toronto. Oh wow. Yeah. Uh, but then I met you in 2019, and that's what, 6 years ago, 7 years ago? Mm-hmm. There were cracks of it breaking then, but almost invisible. People. Like, you couldn't see them. Now you have full-on, like, huge sinkholes opening into the reality that most people have accepted for their entire life. Yes. Big.

Yeah, big, big. And you see, like, this Tulsi Gabbard— this press release that she did, this— yeah, conference where she's talking about Fauci. Sure. Yeah, all There's— there's— we're getting information now. We're getting information that let us know that the entire system has been completely corrupted for a long fucking—

for a very long time. Very, very long. And it won't survive. It clearly can't survive the way we're in— is it $40 trillion worth of debt?

It's close, right? It was at $39. No one thinks that's getting paid back.

Yeah, who will? To?

Tell them to go fuck off.

Right. So we have a lot of it's China, but like no one thinks that's getting paid back. The dollar is the world's reserve currency, seems to have a limited amount of time. I don't know, but this is what's discussed. No, I mean, how does this system survive this level of information? People are not gonna—

Do you think that this whole race to AI, this like Manhattan Project style race that's going on right now like the future of whatever the United States is kind of depends on us getting there first, right?

I think part of it is that—

If we don't get there first, then it's probably a wrap. If you really thought about it, like if China's there first, if control of resources and everything shut off, whatever, how, what if it's weaponized?

My worry is that in the guise of fighting China, we're going to become China. You know, so I would take the government a lot more seriously if they weren't, you know, potentially having like, like saying Palantir should merge all these different government databases. So your health data and your criminal justice data and your tax data all merges. And who's doing that? Palantir. So you go, and then they go, well, China's got a credit score. Well, what the hell is that, right? What the hell is this?

What, right?

So when Vance comes out and he goes, I'm worried about a credit score, it's like, okay. Hey buddy, me too. What the hell's this? So it's a little bit of gaslighting in that sense too. They're like, if China gets all this stuff, you're all gonna, you know, we lose. And you go, okay. So it's almost like China will enslave you, let us do it first.

Everyone's gonna be on their best behavior.

That's right. Everyone's gonna be on their best behavior. We're gonna be watching them. You heard that quote. Yeah. Everyone's gonna be on their best behavior. This is what these, the World Economic Forum, people like that that they don't have an interest in you owning a house or farming land or starting a business, or they don't have any interest in that. There, it does not serve them at all. It did for a while, but their economic projection is that that's not going to be possible for you. So what they're going to do, they're building bunkers, they're hoarding all the wealth, and they're, you know, heavily invested in all this AI. And one of the reasons I think that we have to strike a deal with Iran as all this UAE money props up Hollywood, all these startups, it props up all the AI, a lot of it, a lot of that money is coming from Qatar and the UAE. And they're— and our bases are getting blown off the earth in those countries. Those countries are getting attacked because of this war. And they're a huge financier of American startups and some AI startups. So like, one thing that I wonder about all of this is just how much this just does seem now to be a high-level chess game about the future and what is and isn't possible.

But the only thing that makes me personally happy is that Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump just bought an island.

That gives— the Romanian people are really excited.

They're really excited.

I see how they were celebrating.

I believe they burned the prime minister's house, the president, or whoever. They just start lighting houses on fire. And that's coming, by the way. They just did it in Protest, that's coming. People starting to light things on fire is coming. That's coming. I'm not calling for it, I'm not saying it's good, but it's coming because voting's become fake, right? Um, no one cares to, you know, people on Threads, it's fake, it's fake, it's so obvious it's fake. Fake. Ax. It's all fake. So the only— and you know what, again, I'm not calling for it. It's bad. But fire is real. If you ask the people at Palisades or Malibu and whatever, RIP. I like the Palisades, that stupid mall. I liked it. But this is real. People are going to start realizing that this— all this technology has just been set up to give you this idea that you have some effect. And all the while, Jared and Ivanka just go buy an island. That's what's happening. But maybe it's fine.

Have you gotten any invites to any bunkers?

No, no, they're not— I think you'd feel differently if you did.

I don't know. I wonder— you've had invites to do interesting things.

I've had invites to Teal, and I've said no because I would— I think, you know, he'd probably sit me down and go, listen to me, you fat fuck, you're gonna shut your mouth. And I'd sit there and I'd go, no, I think it's— I think if they were gonna invite me, someone goes, this is the guy who dressed up as Kristi Noem's husband with fake tits, and they go, we can't have him here. But by the way, absolutely, if somebody said to me, a few people are gonna survive and it's just gonna be you and these people and everybody else is gonna die, die. It's tough. How fun would it be though? Is it fun? Is it fun if the whole world dies and I'm just sitting and having dinner with JD Vance and his wife? I mean, is that the fun? With Peter Thiel, me, and Usher, and just eating steak? Yeah, I mean, is that, is that what we want? I don't know.

Probably not. Probably not. What's the best-case scenario?

The best-case scenario is a new era of enlightened people and enlightened thinking and soulfulness and spirituality and a healthy attachment to technology and religion. And, you know, people's, people's, you know, a common kind of a sense of morality and togetherness and love for community that's not enforced by Governments, corporations, and armies? Mm. I'm not betting on that, but that would be good.

Well, there's a battle, right? Yeah, there is a battle. It's not like one side is clearly going to win. We're moving in a very weird direction of uncertainty, but humans today are way better at being people, way kinder and nicer, despite all our problems. Problems than we have ever been in the past. Yeah. Society is generally, at least in first world countries, safer than it's ever been in the past. Yeah. And it's also— there's more opportunity to do things now because of technology that's ever existed before. So it's not worse, but it's not moving in the best direction possible. Like if you had to choose between living today the way we're living now or living in 1976 in San Francisco. I'd be like, go fuck yourself. I don't want shitty breaks and live with these fucking people that don't know anything because no one has the internet. Fuck that. Yeah, you're better off living today. The communication—

you would go see Janis Joplin, right? And you'd be smoking weed and a burrito would be 50 cents. And then you would go into a park and fuck and then die. And it might not be as bad. As one thinks. And who knows? I didn't live during that time, so I'm sure there was a lot of pitfalls. You get stabbed, whatever. Like, New York was more culturally interesting when there was crime. I'm against there being crime because New York couldn't have existed— it can't be 1983 in New York now.

Times Square is a mall. Times Square right now is a TGI Fridays, but it used to be chaos.

But it can't be chaos forever. But And again, in that city, do you get the Ramones? Do you get all of that stuff? Probably not. No.

Probably not. No, you need some chaos for art, for sure. You need a little chaos. You don't get chaos from TGI Fridays. You don't get that kind of chaos.

But I do think that there's a time for certain things, and there's an inertia that moves certain things forward, meaning like, it would be crazy to think about New York in the '80s today. Like, no one's built for that life today. Right. No one's even built for that. Like, one of the reasons that wars don't work anymore is we're just not built for it. We're not built— we used to be built for war. People used to be built for war. They were built to like, just be like, yeah, somebody calls me and I just go die. You know, there's like a petition on the door and it's like, report here, we're going to war. People were built for— nobody's built for that now. People file complaints with DoorDash.

I file complaints. 1981 Rolling Stone magazine called West 42nd Street, located in the heart of Times Square, as the sleaziest block in America. Yeah. Now it's probably prime real estate. Yeah.

I mean, listen, there's, there's parts of it that are, you know, it's all prime real estate there, whether people like it or not. It's not necessarily, you know, bet it's better because it's safer, but it's worse because it's safer. Nothing's all one thing. Nothing's all one thing. There's still great art there. There's still great music and comedy and theater and all that stuff. Is it as good as it was? No, no. But again, it's just because the people that, that, that are, are doing it are amazing, and they're, and they're, and they're talented. But like, culture is so decentralized now and fractured, it's— nothing can stay cool. Everything that pop— you know, what's depressing me about New York is it's become like, it's become a place where people just go on Instagram and post used to, you know, when you used to go to dinner in New York City, you would eat French food or food that you could never make at home, you've never even seen, you didn't hear. They would treat you like shit. It was fun. Now you go to these places because Taylor Swift went there. You have like, they, they just do like a high-end version of like a Totino's pizza roll.

They put truffle oil on it. Here's a French dip. Here's a burger. People, their burger is just a basic bitch mall city now. That's really what it's become. That doesn't mean there's not a lot of psychopaths there making lots of money, and good for them. But it's becoming a suburban city. It's a city where people talk about chicken salad. It's a city where people go to Wegmans. It's just a different city. It's Pilates and toddlers. It's all great, it's fine. I don't want to see people getting shanked, but it's not what it was. It's just not what it was. It doesn't have that same magic. And nothing does. LA does— nothing really does. And, and it won't come back.

No, I don't think it's coming back. I don't know if that's good or that if I lived there. I mean, who knows what the fuck's going to happen now with Mom Donnie as mayor. I mean, that, that weirdness where— what is that guy's name? Ken Griffin, the guy, billionaire guy was in front of his apartment. Yeah, billionaire guy lives here, he's got so much money, we're going to take it. Well, they don't tax him.

Well, here's the thing, it's all fake, it's all fake. Mom Donnie's Trump. He's smart, he's sharp, he's good-looking and young. He just— this, this all crap. It's YouTube. It's like, look, billionaire Ken Griffin's in Palm Beach building a house worth $1 billion. You're not gonna do anything to Ken Griffin. You're a city employee. The mayor is fake. Like, it's like he'll raise taxes maybe if he can get it done, but he can't. It'll get dirtier, crime will go up, or it won't. It's kind of whatever. It's just not, you know, I think it's not, it's more just the corporations rule and guys like him, it's like Bernie Sanders. He's the version of the socialist you get. What does it even mean? He has a bunch of military-industrial complex jobs in Vermont, sweetheart of a man, but has not gotten one goddamn thing for 30 years. Worth billions, has 3 homes. Worth millions, has 3 homes. The Clintons sandbag him because they're working for God only knows who, the Goldman Sachs and the devil, and he goes and says Hillary's great, they're all great, it's all great, the system's fine, I lost. He gets sandbagged, like twice, and he doesn't burn it to the ground, he won't burn it to the ground.

Because that's the version of a socialist you get in America. And I'm not even like a socialist, but I'm saying like, that's clearly— this is— you throw the bone to placate someone.

It's also they're playing a game, and his game is to stay relevant, totally being a politician, keep being a senator from Vermont. You stay there forever, everybody loves you. Ben Jerry's.

Yeah, Vermont is a lily-white state, uh, of, of frozen people, of frozen people, and it's just a bunch of lesbians. And I think Alec Baldwin now, because he shot someone. Does he live there now? I think he does, but I don't know. And I like him, shout out to him, we've all moved on. But I think, you know, Sanders is doing what he has to do to please that demographic of people. What do you think happens in 2028? I think, I think the donors want Rubio, but Rubio is kind of a buffoon.

Why do they want Rubio?

Because he's not— Vance is more isolationist than Rubio Rubio. And I think Vance is more in league with the tech people, whereas Rubio, maybe the central banking cartels of intergenerational pools of capital that are more invested in the war industry and might be slightly more aligned with Israel, like Rubio. Like, there are different fiefdoms of the super rich. I think the tech guys are relatively new. Not that they don't get involved in war, of course they do, but it's not all hunky-dory. You know, if you had a banking empire for years and centuries and You're like, now all these new tech fucks are here, and you're like, what is this? And you're like, we make our money with war. And so do the tech people, by the way, but they have other ways to make money. So I do think Vance will get the nomination. I don't think Rubio— I used to think it would be Rubio, but I've watched Rubio recently more, and I don't think Rubio— he's just too buffoonish. I can't take him seriously.

I don't know why. Trump again suggests a Vance-Rubio 2028 presidential ticket, or perhaps Rubio-Vance.

So this— it'll probably be those two.

Interesting. But do you think that people are going to want to buy into another Republican Party?

No, no, it'll be a Democrat. I think it'll be a Democrat.

Who do you think wins? I don't know.

I think it's somebody that we don't know who it is yet. I think it's somebody that we don't know who it is. I think— I don't think it's Newsom. I don't think it's AOC. I think it's somebody that comes from a red state who's a Democrat governor, a purple state. We don't know who they are yet. They pop up, they're boring. I think we need boring. I think a boring person's gonna come in and just be like, "Hey, I'm the president." Reasonable. The show's over. Michelle Obama's a woman. And then a few, you'll hear some of the country go, "Oh." Because Trump's a drug and you gotta detox from that. And this whole last decade has been a drug and it's been the craziest decade that I've been, alive. I remember sitting with you on election night. I remember me, you, and Alex sitting down. I remember all these things where we're watching these crazy points. I remember the— I remember when, when Trump was shot. I remember, you know, tragically when Charlie Kirk was shot. I remember all of these things that have happened that are just so crazy and now seem so far away and like they're so far in the past.

Gavin Newsom, they like this guy John Ossoff. Who's that guy?

Uh, I just looked him up. I didn't know either. He's a youngest incumbent senator out of Georgia.

Yeah, he's having a moment.

You just nailed it. You could be him. Look at him. There you go. That looks like a president.

Just put him in.

Okay. Yeah, his neck is medium. It's not too thin. He's got a medium neck. He's got that face. Like, Tallarico's neck is a little too small.

Yeah, yeah, I've, I've— yeah, that's probably true.

A little bit more square jaw. Conservative Georgia radio host endorses Jon Ossoff for US Senate.

If they want to win, they just have to go, "Hey everybody, remember healthcare? Don't you want that?" Is he a Republican?

Democrat. He's a Democrat.

He's a Democrat, but he's gonna LARP as a Republican in the same way that Spencer Pratt's like, "I'm actually a Democrat." You know what I mean?

Worked as a national security staffer Yeah, he's a spook.

Put him in. Who cares? It's fake at this point. We all know it's fake. How much more evidence does anyone need?

Jesus Christ, Tim Dillon. Sorry. I'm glad you're out there.

I'm glad you have me in here.

Your podcast rules. Thank you, brother.

I really appreciate it.

It's such a great escape. Thank you. It's so beautiful because just the way you're able to just combine reality with humor humor is very rare. Well, thank you, dude. I appreciate it. It's very— it's a very unusual thing you're doing. It's very insightful political commentary and social commentary mixed in with hilarious takes on things that's very nihilist.

Well, I'll keep doing it until I'm put in a jail.

Thank you, brother. Thank you. Appreciate it. Appreciate you. Bye, everybody.