Transcript of #2519 - Scott Eastwood

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Scotty, good to see you, brother. What's happening?

You know, back in the seat, back in the hot seat.

You're looking good, dude. Look at you, you handsome bastard. What's this box?

This is, uh, the best supplements on the planet, sourced from Japan, America, and Switzerland. North Performance, Dr. Massie, do you know him? He's a Stanford doc. He started the company. I'm involved. I'm getting heavily involved in the ownership of it, and I'm excited about it. It's a one— you take it a day, like one satchel. It's got all the shit you need.

Oh, so it's like a prepack?

It's a prepack.

Ooh, I like prepacks.

Yeah, one and done.

I don't like to think.

Exactly.

Give me prepack. Yeah, yeah, I like that. I take Pures now. I take Pure Encapsulations. They have those little men's Ultra Packs or whatever it's called. Yep, I take those every day with a bunch of other shit. Yeah, I'll try your stuff though. Okay, check it out. So what's so special about these vitamins?

You know, it's just, it's more for the person who's like wants to excel in training.

So it's got all the amino acids, your creatines, all of them in one supplement.

It's big.

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By the way, this is not an ad. I mean, I guess it is for Scott, but it's like, well, I know you're involved in your AG. I know, but I just want people to know that like, yeah, but I talk about cool shit regardless of whether or not it's an ad. And if something's going to be an ad, I have to approve it.

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The best knives. Okay, all right, supplements. So, uh, how long have you been involved in the, the whole supplement thing? Like, no, you've always taken them? Oh, it's all in powder?

Yep.

Whoa, bro, try dry scooping that, you're gonna choke to death. That's a little— that's a lot of powder.

It's a lot of powder.

That I believe. Okay, now at least I'm more convinced. 'Cause there's a lot of volume here. Obviously there's a lot of stuff. Like if you took every vitamin that I take every day and you busted them up and put them into a powder form, it would be like this.

Exactly. So it's 70+ vitamins in there. And that's the biggest thing, right? Like efficacy and quantity. You need the right amount.

Do you just mix this with water? Is that how you do it?

Yep.

Mix it with a big water and then you just don't have to think about it. 'Cause I was doing so many a day, as you probably are.

Yeah.

It's like, oh dude. Yeah, ran out of that one.

Oh, I gotta order that.

So you're involved in this company. Did you guys ever send the stuff out for third-party testing? Do you ever do that?

It's totally third-party tested. So my very wealthy buddy started it. He did it essentially for himself. He was like, I want the best of the best. He's like 55, but he's an adventure athlete, and he's like, I want the best of the best. I don't care what it costs. And he's like, yeah, he's like, I think I can make a business out of this.

So that's Good for you, dude. Yeah. Okay, so for people at home, what's the name of the company again?

North Performance.

North Performance. And is there a website they can go to?

Yep. It's— we're just launching it. It's gonna be on subscription-based. Come to your house every month.

Oh, nice.

Don't think about it.

Oh, I like not thinking.

Yep.

You got me. Got me hooked already, son. All the things. Volume. So I'm believing in it.

Yep.

You know, when I know— if you're a very reputable and ethical guy, you know, if you're involved in something, it's gonna be legit anyway, so That's cool to know. How long have you been taking supplements? Have you been a vitamin guy forever?

Yeah, you know, I cycle in and out like anything.

Do you?

I, I, my non-negotiables typically are fish oil, vitamin D. I take, you know, MNN or NAD, and then glutathione. My dad was always a massive glutathione guy.

There's a lot of real health benefits to glute glutathione. I think especially liposomal glutathione, which is I think more available, bioabsorbable. Yeah, yeah, that's awesome, dude. Good for you. I think every— and don't listen to your doctor. If you have a doctor like I had, my doctor said all you need is a balanced diet. Most of those vitamins you're just gonna pee out. And I looked at him like, dude, you look like shit. I didn't say it, but you thought it. Trying to be nice. Who's had a potbelly? I'm like, this is crazy. You have zero muscle. Yeah, and you're telling me about balanced diets?

Like, this is bananas, dude.

And now that I've looked back on it, he was probably how old I am now, you know, and he looked like shit. There's a lot of doctors that don't understand that if you want to optimize your health, it's not about what the 100% of the, you know, USDA or whatever it is, the requirements. Like, there's real science on what the right doses are and you can find it. It's just complicated. You got to go online and you got to go, what's the optimum dose of vitamin D? Are there dangers of going above vitamin D? Are there benefits? Of having a high level of vitamin D. Sure. Like, if you really want to do it right, you should work with a wellness clinic and have someone go over your blood work. Fortunately, we have Ways to Well in town, so I do it with them.

Yep.

They go over your blood work. They'll actually make you a vitamin that's designed specifically for what your body needs. They'll encapsulate it all in pill form, tell you how many to take a day, and they'll send you like a bag of vitamins. It's amazing.

Yeah, I've been actually— I've been actually thinking about doing that test, because there's certain doctors that'll tell you your sort of— your blood type will dictate what you should be eating.

Mm-hmm.

And I've never really got that done, or no. And I know certain people just are like, this is a game changer.

Wonder how much of that is voodoo.

It might be, you know, voodoo.

It kind of makes sense though if your ancestors came from a specific part of the world, you know what I mean? Yeah, like We know that's the case with alcohol. Like people whose ancestors came from a society— Yeah. Well, societies that didn't normally drink alcohol, particularly Native Americans had a really hard time with it because they just weren't built to metabolize alcohol. They didn't have it as a part of their world. And I guess if you're in a part of the world where your ancestors ate mostly meat, I bet your diet should probably be mostly meat. I bet it fits right in there. And if you come from a place where they ate a lot of specific kinds of grains, like I would, I would wonder like, How much of that stuff is real? Like blood type versus what food you should eat, because everybody should— what everybody needs— proteins, amino acids, vitamins, you know, and all that stuff you get from fruits and vegetables and meat and food and fish and eggs.

I mean, if you're, if you're looking at the Blue Zone, right? Yeah, they essentially have a variety of a Mediterranean diet. It's a kind of a variety of everything. They don't just eat eat red meat, but they eat a lot of fish, but they do eat red meat and they do drink wine. And they sort of have this diet that is kind of a bunch of everything. And, you know, there's a bunch of other factors as well, you know, purpose, physical activity, physical activity, community.

I think a big one with all these Blue Zone people is they're just eating real food. That's the real problem. What people need to truly get into their head is the majority of the American diet, as delicious as it tastes, is like Garbage. It's bad for you. Yeah, it's actually bad for you. It's not good for you. Real food is good for you. If you go and you have a grilled chicken and some avocado and a nice salad and a glass of sparkling water, that's actually really good for you. Versus if you go and have a fucking Jack in the Box double cheeseburger with bacon and whatever sauce and eat the fries, like, that's poison.

Poison.

It's delicious poison.

Now I will say, I just got back from Europe. My body there feels so much better, and I eat pretty healthy, okay? I eat healthy here, and I eat pretty healthy there.

Yeah, everybody has the same story.

So what's going on?

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But it's not just— it's not just that. It's like the way the dairy is processed, right? So, you know, and I actually went to a cheese factory in Italy a couple times ago in Europe, and I asked, I said, why can my stomach tolerate this and not in America? And they're like, well, first off, we— the process of making this cheese is like 4 to 6 hours in the morning every day, and it gets the lactose out, whereas we just slap it in and and send it out, you know, and it's like, that's not—

it's also raw cheese, you know. I had a— this— I bought a house from this guy who was from France, really cool guy, who was a doctor, very interesting dude. I got to know him, got— became friends with him, and he would smuggle cheese back from France because it was literally illegal to have that cheese. This is California, 2003.

Oh really?

Illegal. To bring that cheese into America, 'cause it was raw. It hadn't been, all the biology in it hadn't been killed. So like when we're drinking raw milk, what you're getting is all the enzymes, you're getting it, and people could say, "Oh, are you a baby cow? You should be," like it's really good nutrition. Raw milk is good nutrition. There's calcium and protein and fats, milk fat, it's good for you, it tastes good when you drink. If you're drinking a glass of homogenized pasteurized milk, your body's like, I was like, what is this? Like, this is milk that can just sit on the shelf for months? That's crazy. If you get raw milk, I get it on a Saturday, by Wednesday or Thursday it gets a little sketch.

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It starts stinking. That's the cat. So this dude, listen to what this guy says. So he's talking to this guy. This guy's talking about how he's eating bread over in Europe. In America, can't eat it.

That's because in America, what we call bread can't even be considered food in parts of Europe. See, here in America, it's not so much the gluten as what we've done to the grain. About 200 years ago, we started stripping the bran and germ, or the fiber and nutrients, to make flour shelf-stable, also nutritionally dead. Because the nutrients were gone, we enriched it with folic acid, which a large majority of the population can't even metabolize. Therefore, many people experience fatigue, anxiety, hyperactivity, and inflammation. But then the bread wasn't white enough, so they bleached it with chlorine gas. The bread didn't rise enough, so they added a carcinogen called potassium bromate, which is banned in several countries like Europe, the UK, and even China. Then we wanted to ramp up production, so we started using glyphosate glyphosate to dry out the wheat before harvest, causing endocrine disruption and damaging your gut. So now you're bloated, brain fogged, tired, and blame gluten. But gluten is just the scapegoat. The real issue is ultra-processed, chemically altered, bleached, bromated, fake vitamin-filled wheat soaked in glyphosate. This isn't bread. This is—

uh, shout out to this guy. His name is Denny Dure, uh, Denny D-E-N-N-Y underscore D-U-R-E on Instagram.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the fuck, yeah.

So what I get from that, and I have seen this actually.

Damn it.

It's just essentially pure greed to keep bread shelf stable for longer.

Well, it's their business model, right? So their business is set up on shelf stable stuff that, and the problem is it was greenlit, right? So the problem is whatever year they started doing that, they built their entire business on doing it that way. So this was the argument when RFK Jr. came in and said, you have to stop using these dyes for children's cereals. And they were saying, they were saying, this is gonna ruin our business. And he was like, you already make the same kind that we're asking you to make for Canada, because Canada doesn't allow them to use the dyes. The same cereal they make in the United States, and it looks not as good because it doesn't have the juicy, delicious, bright, vibrant dyes that give you fucking cancer. But the reality is, it's just their business model. They're set up to do it a certain way, and to change would be very expensive. So what do they do? They fuckin' hire lobbyists. They hire lobbyists, they get their guys into the FDA, they get their guys into this organization, that organization, and they make sure that they're protected. And then we keep eating dogshit, and we keep getting poisoned.

And you go to Italy, and you have a spaghetti, and you feel great. You don't feel like you got shot with a tranquilizer dart. You know, it's kind of amazing.

And there's a dart in your neck, man.

We've talked about it so many times. You go over there and you're like, why am I living the way I live? Yeah, these people are just hanging out, having a good time, having a cigarette, laughing.

That shouldn't even be a thing we're arguing about. I don't even understand. It's just like that gets lumped into that. It's like, no, that's for the betterment of society.

Yeah, what?

Like, why is that a thing?

Yeah, we live in a weird world, man. A world that doesn't completely make sense. And then on top of it, it gets connected to political ideologies. So it used to be that the people on the left were really concerned about healthy food. Like when I was a kid, we used to go to the health food store. My parents were hippies and they would buy like whole wheat bread and, you know, like they would try to buy like organic food, like the— and that was the thing on the left. Avoid chemicals, avoid processed foods. And because this— it's all these movements are connected with Trump and RFK Jr., there's so many people that are rejecting something that's beneficial to everybody because somehow or another they have this connected to some right-wing anti-science position. Like, God, you guys are getting brainwashed. We should all be eating organic food. That should be the only food. We've— we're not doing that, okay? And it's one of the reasons why we're some of the sickest, fattest fucking people on earth while also being the most wealthy country.

Yeah, groupthink is like a crazy thing. It's a— it's, it's, it's kind of— it's really sad because people aren't really actually thinking critically about each subject. They're just jumping on to something they're— they've been told or is in their echo chamber or whatever, you know what I mean? I like to think no matter what issue it is, I'm like, okay, well, let's evaluate that. Let's kind of look at both sides. Maybe there's like— and maybe there's some in-between.

That's—

both things can be true.

Yes, for sure. And that's a problem. If you— if there's something that's accurate that the other side is saying and you're rejecting that because it doesn't align with your political ideology, that's bad for for everybody. Like, I think the groupthink that we have to all really align with is the groupthink of being open-minded, being like true, actually open-minded and willing to accept different ideas and also recognize that you are not your ideas. Your ideas are just thoughts. Do not connect yourself with them. You are you. And if you really want to have a stable you, you want to be proud of what you are, you should be completely detached to ideas. You should know which ones are accurate and which ones aren't based on information, based on the reality of whatever, whatever we're talking about, whatever subject matter is. But the reality is like you can't be married to your ideas because they'll fuck you. They'll fuck you over every time. It's like it's not going to work. You have to be flexible and you have to be willing to say, even though I hate this guy, he's right about that. It's very important.

Like it's okay to be wrong.

Yeah. Even though I think this guy's a piece of shit.

I was wrong about that.

When he said he lies about a lot of things, but that thing that he's saying, is actually true.

Well, here's an even— to go even a little more, maybe an unpopular or something people don't talk about— is they divide, in my opinion, to control. If you don't have division, that's when the pitchforks come out. If you don't have the illusion of choice and a team that's when you're like, well, fuck that. They're taking our money. They're paying all these taxes. We're doing this thing, and we actually don't have a choice, right? Maybe that's the reason it's, you know, there's these teams, red and blue, and it's actually just one higher group that are actually making decisions. The big money.

Yeah, well, for sure they benefit from people being at each other's throats. They benefit from culture war stuff. They benefit from people arguing over whatever it is, Pride Month or whatever it is, Black Lives Matter.

They rile people up and then people are thinking about this and this instead of, hey, like, this is actually going on. Yeah, talking about that.

Yeah, I mean, look, every time there's— I mean, when Clinton got caught with Monica Lewinsky, they started bombing like right afterwards.

That's the real power.

That's what they do.

It's a good move. It's a good move to distract people. Yeah, because otherwise that shit's gonna stay in the news cycle until something big happens. So you got to make something big happen. Yeah, it's a— we're We're involved in a game and we don't think it's a game. We think that what we're doing is trying to make the world a better place and vote for people that have similar values. That's not the game they're playing. The game they're playing is let's pretend that we care. Let's pretend that we want to fix the homeless problem. Let's pretend we want you to have healthcare. Let's pretend. But meanwhile, they're— a good percentage of them are demons. They're, they're just sociopaths, completely devoid of any feelings of what the consequences of their action are gonna have on people's livelihoods, losing their homes, losing their businesses. They don't give a fuck. They care about their own career, and they want to keep on trucking until they become the king of the country. And that's what they're trying to do. And that's a giant pile of these fucking demons. There's a lot of them out there that think like that.

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No, I was— we were actually talking about it. My buddy gave me a lift here, uh, today on his plane, and he's a very wealthy, successful guy, but he was getting riled up about some trans thing and an issue. And I, and I was like, why do you think you get riled up about it? I was like, do you think that maybe that's just a cause for division and that like, what, you know, like if you get upset about a sound out of someone's mouth, when you think about it, it's kind of like from a 30,000-foot level, it's like you're getting riled up about an idea about a sound that's coming out of someone's mouth, right? You're letting that affect you, right?

And it's not affecting your real life, but you're choosing to focus on that. And it is an issue, but is it an issue that's of paramount importance in your life when you're on your own private jet flying somewhere?

I know I was, I was, I couldn't think about, like, I was thinking about, I was like, You're this billionaire and you're upset about that. And I go, you're wasting your time thinking about that instead of a million other things we could talk about or think about. Yeah, it was interesting.

Well, it's, I mean, it's always been a tool as much as we like to say, no, these are real issues that we face. We really have a real cultural issue that we have to— I get it. That's true. But however, you have to recognize that that tool has always been used by dictators, by divide and conquer. Art of War.

Yeah. I mean, it's the— from the beginning.

Yeah. And it's important. And it's one of the beautiful things about our country. Is that we have two parties, so it's so easy to do because it's just good guys and bad guys. There's no good guys, bad guys, in between, reasonable guys that are pragmatic, we know how to kill folks. I like them. Let's go to the discipline side. But no, it's like you, you can only be on the right or on the left. And if you're on the right, you get lumped into these crazy people that, you know, have these big Jesus rallies and they talk in tongues, and you get lumped in with white nationalists. You get what, right? Lumped in with Christian nationalists that think that the Ten Commandments should be in every school and no one should be able to practice any other religion. This is a Christian country. There's people that really believe pushing that, that you get lumped in with them too when you're just like, hey, I think the Second Amendment's important. You know, like, oh, you must be a far right-wing conspiracy theorist. Like, oh, come on. Like, you can't always count on the cops. You know, you should be able to protect yourself because bad people have guns.

It's that simple. It doesn't mean you're going to use them all the time. Like, this is crazy.

You could kill people with a a variety of different methods.

You know, you don't need to lump everything into right and left, but people do. They do because they're being told to. You know, if you're on the left, you have to accept, you know, trans women are women. You have to— there's a whole bunch of— like, they're kind of moving away from that now in a big way. They're moving away from the competitive thing, like with trans women competing in school athletics, because it's like, after a certain amount of fucking championships, you know, you just gotta go, hey, come on, guys, that's a guy.

That's a guy.

Be kind, be sweet. Those people have always existed, but also you're letting them into the women's room and now you could have perverts who just say they're trans and they can go in the women's room too. Like, you didn't think about this.

Yeah.

The fact that they never factored in the one segment of society that has always been the most hated and the most, like, looked out, like, make sure that they don't come near you. Psychopathic perverts. Like, psychopathic perverts that prey on men, guys that want to go in women's bathrooms, guys that want to, like, grab women after bars. Those guys have always been terrifying.

Yeah.

And we just gave them a Willy Wonka golden ticket. Just wear a dress. Like, imagine you're a fucking old-school pervert and you're 80 years old. You're like, fuck, I missed the boat. Yeah, you've been in and out of jail for doing all kinds of creepy shit, pretending you're a woman.

I think we should just be able to hunt, hunt them. Like, for real, I would lose zero sleep.

Real perverts? Yeah.

Like, the thing is, like, child molesters?

Yes.

Like, no problem, just let's go hunt them?

Well, they're broken, and I don't know how you could ever think you're going to fix them. And then there's this weird trend where in some academic circles they're trying to label them as minor-attracted persons, which is just this thing of just empathy falling into chaos. Like, you have so much empathy that you're willing to ignore, you know, all kinds of crazy— like what's going on in the UK with the rape gangs. They're willing to ignore it because they don't want to be seen deemed as being racist. They don't want to be deemed as being Islamophobic.

Like, okay, yeah, that, that breakdown of culture, and because of, you know, some very extreme groups, is pretty scary.

It's scary.

It's super scary.

It's scary because it can happen anywhere in the world. It can happen in America too. And if you think it can't, you're nuts. And the beautiful thing about America is you're supposed to be able to practice any religion you want. You're supposed to be able to be a Buddhist. You're supposed to be able to be a Baptist. No one should care, and we should all be able to get along. It should be a true melting pot. But there's other organizations that have different plans, and their plans are to take over cities. Their plans are to take over cities and change the laws. And we were talking about with Tim Dillon what happened with Dearborn, Michigan. All these, like, liberal people are like, "Yeah, we love Muslims. Everyone's amazing." So they got a Muslim mayor, and the first thing he did is like, "No more pride flags." Shit's illegal. Because what he would like is Sharia law. Like, if you ask the majority of practicing Muslims, like worldwide, how many of them would like Sharia law? And it's, it's a— it's not a small amount, you know. That's their religion. That's what they— but the problem with that is like, you can't push that on other people.

If you want to have your mosque and you want to pray 5 times a day, wonderful. You should be able to do that 100%. Everybody should appreciate the fact there's all sorts of different ways of worshiping God. Great. I don't know who's right, but as soon as a culture starts taking over and putting in values that, first of all, degrade women— yeah, grossly deteriorate women's rights. Grossly.

That's bad. That's when it falls apart.

And that's their culture, and you have to understand that that's— they've accepted when they're wearing those traditional head garbs and body coverings, that's their culture. And they want women to dress like that. And, you know, we have to stop that from spreading. Like, you should be able to do it if you want to, but the idea that you can take over a town or take over a city, that's a flaw in our system. Because every city should have the same sort of national rights. Every city should have the rights that we have where you can wear whatever you want to wear practice whatever religion you want to practice, and you shouldn't be persecuted one way or the other. Yeah, but when you get a country like England, it just lets them in, mass migration, and then you're ignoring the chaos that comes with it. That's not good. And that makes you wonder, like, are they wanting the society deteriorate to the point where they can say, hey, we're gonna make new laws to protect you? Because You need to protect. So you have mass surveillance everywhere, more police on the streets, more people getting arrested.

And in England, you know, they're also getting arrested for social media posts.

I've been hearing about that.

It's more than China, more than Russia, more than Russia and China combined.

Yeah, it seems, it seems as if, you know, the grab for power is, is just, you know, done in plain sight now.

Yeah, and I hate to say this, but they don't have the Second Amendment. It's part of the problem. Part of the problem is you're not armed. So like when shit goes sideways, you don't have a lot of options, you know. And what are you gonna do, all get together with shovels? What are you gonna do? Grandpa's got a bird gun. Let's go get grandpa's bird gun. Fuck, what are we doing?

Get grandpa's bird gun.

That's no way to keep the police out of your town. Yeah, it's, uh, it's not good. I think hopefully there's enough sensible people where we're gonna come out on the other end of this, but it's gonna be real hard with this right, right versus left bullshit.

No, well, but you know, you know, not to like toot your own horn here, but voices like yours are really important because you examine a lot of different people and you've pulled in like almost— I was thinking about the other day, like an encyclopedia of different type of people and different types of subject matter where you can type it in a ChatGPT now and say, can you tell me about this thing that, you know, and then they'll, oh, would you want to hear a 2-hour podcast that Joe did about it with the expert of such and such? And that's pretty cool because then it expands people's mind. It's much easier than having to, you know, go and read about something. You're like, oh, that's an interesting point.

Well, if it gets people stimulated, that's great. But the reality is we should be teaching people to think correctly from the time they're young. And I think we're spending way too much time giving them information and not teaching them how to think correctly.

Yeah.

And not also like, you know, giving them something that excites them and giving them something that they, they can understand why it's important to be interested in something like why it can benefit you, how it can stimulate you. Try new things out. Like, oh, this is exciting. I feel better. I feel good. Like, people like tasks. They like that. We should be taught that from the time we're young. Instead, we're, we're just basically groomed to becoming workers.

You know, it's interesting is I— so I turned 40 in March, and I decided I was gonna take the year off. So essentially 39 to 40, right? Because I've been working head down for 20 years, hadn't looked up, living out of a suitcase. Movie to movie to movie to movie, you know, blah blah blah blah blah. And I thought it would make me— it would give me better perspective, it would maybe whatever, you know, where's the— where am I going in the next 10 years, kind of my thinking. And I actually got more depressed. I was like, wait, what the fuck is going on? I feel more depressed. And it kind of just goes back to just stay busy, get up and do shit.

Well, the thing is, you're busy, but you're busy doing what you love, and that is a gift. That's a real gift. Yeah, we're both very fortunate in that regard. And anybody who's listening to this that actually does what they love, whatever it is— beekeeping, carpentry— you doing what you love, you're so lucky.

Create, go out and create. Yeah, don't take. Yeah, be a creator in anything. Like, if you're a plumber, whatever, you know, fix someone's pipes. Yeah, have a purpose. And create. Don't take. Oh, there's takers and there's creators, you know. It's like, I was actually listening to a podcast, like, guy said that, and I was like, yep, that's it. If you create, you're exponentially happier, I think, because you're, you're giving society.

It's a benefit to the people that are interacting with you with whatever you're doing. Yeah, and that's good for you for sure. And I think unfortunately, I look, I don't want the responsibility being the guy who gives everybody curious things to think about.

I just— you're not the only person.

No, but you are.

You are.

I really think that this kind of thinking, the kind of thinking that lets you explore things and gets you interested in things, should be in schools instead of just forcing fucking history down their throats and math down their throats. Give people the tools to be excited about things. Show them cool shit. So, so them cool shit where they realize, like, oh, learning about things is actually really interesting. You know, it just has to be something you're interested in, and then they'll realize like, oh, I can get good at stuff. I can pursue something instead of just being a cog in the wheel like most people feel. Most people feel like, fuck, the economy sucks, I just got to get a job. And then, then you just get home and you just want to play video games or do something to stimulate yourself because you hate jobs. And then next thing you know, you're 35 and you don't know what the fuck you're doing and you're stuck. Work, you know, and that's a lot of people, a lot of people listening to this right now. And it's because they were never instructed how to think about things.

They were never instructed to try to find something that you're actually interested in. Go do the thing, get the job, encourage that curiosity. Yeah, whatever it is, man, being a fucking car mechanic, whatever, whatever thing you're interested in, there's got to be a thing. You just got to find that.

You can get good at anything. Yeah, and that will produce money. It's like The— I also— part of the problem is culturally, I think we, we place too much value in like becoming rich and, oh, you got to do this. And it's like, no, no, hold on, don't miss the point. Get good at something that you love, and then that will produce— if you get good enough at anything, you'll make money at it for sure.

But the problem is like with kids, it's everything today, they want it fast. Really fast. They want Ozempic, right? They don't want to go on a diet. They want to get, you know, whatever it is, fill in the blank with whatever thing that they want to get really fast with— scams, crypto, anything where they're gonna get rich quick, you know, whatever they're gonna do to get rich quick. Because it's like this, this TikTok mind culture where people just want that easy, quick fix in a pill instead of doing the work. When you think about a job or going down a career path like acting, for instance, like what you did. First of all, you did it, you would think, oh great, Clint Eastwood's his dad, he'll help him. No, fuck you.

It made it worse for me.

It did.

People were like, nah.

You had to prove that you were a really good actor for like a long time before people go, oh yeah, Scott's actually really good. Because it's always gonna be, you're Clint Eastwood's kid.

Oh yeah.

You know, and then he didn't fucking help you. Of you, but like, your grind was— I know you, your grind was years and years and years and years and years and years of just fucking hustling and putting in the work. Most people see that and they go, wait, how long is it gonna take?

What, 14 years?

20 years? What? Like, when we talk to comics, that's a big, big thing that comes up in comedy clubs. Like, most comedians say a comic isn't even really comic till 10 years.

10,000-hour rule, right?

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There's something to that. There's something to reps for sure, but I think intention is as important as what the hours are, you know, just the amount of time.

Yeah, I think you're just mailing it in in the gym. Yeah, it's not the same as, yeah, I'm gonna build this or get really good at that.

Yeah, 100%, especially skills-related things. Yeah, like jiu-jitsu is a perfect example of that. Jiu-jitsu, 100%, you get better the more you do it, but 1,000% if you drill correctly and you have have like mastery of the fundamentals of the techniques, like you really truly understand like leverage points, where you're supposed to be, when it's secured, when it's not, when, when there's an escape, when there's no escape. If you don't understand that, you're just rolling around and just like resisting hard with people, and you'll get somewhere, but you won't get nearly as far as you get with focused, really systematic breaking down of techniques. So it's like the 10,000-hour thing is there's something to it. The more you do it, the better you'll get. But really, it's the intention that you put into each and everything you do that is as, if not more important than the time. Like, it's about— it's about— it's about enthusiasm. It's about enthusiasm and your willingness to, like, look at it as objectively as possible, you know? Especially if you're— like, with jiu-jitsu, the thing, it's like your ego's involved because you don't want to get tapped out and you don't want to get humiliated.

And so you don't want to try things, so you keep a tight game and you never grow. And it's— your ego actually holds you back by that. And that— but telling people that it's gonna take that long— if you knew how long it would take to get to black belt, you're like, oh God, it's too much work.

Well, also, I think the thing you realize, you know, as your ego gets stripped from you doing jiu-jitsu, is that you realize, like, doesn't matter what level I'm at, there's always gonna be a thousand more guys above that level that will still choke me out. Oh, you're gonna— you realize how much— how, like, you're like, no, I kind of am a pussy. You're like, I'm not, you know, I'm not as tough as I— you know, you know now. You really know.

I really know because I work for the UFC. Yeah, it's like I'm— they're always around, like, every weekend. Dozens of guys are gonna kill me.

Yeah.

And then there's people that can kill them, which is crazy. It's like there's levels to levels, you know? When a guy like Ilya Topuria knocks out Max Holloway, like, whoa. And then Justin Gaethje beats up Ilya Topuria, like, whoa. It's like, there's so many guys out there. You have to be humble, and it's good for you. It's good for you to not be delusional. Yeah, but my point was, for young people, they have to get interested in the path. It can't be just the results. And the path is really where you grow and you, you become something special in life. You have to be on that path for a long-ass time and try to keep getting better at it with every, every day, every, every effort you put into it. Do it, whatever the fuck you're doing, do it to try to get better at that thing, and eventually success will come. You're gonna have to manage that success. You're gonna chase it. You're gonna have to figure things out, but the most important thing should always be the path.

Mm-hmm.

That's true.

Yeah, I think that's it in everything and anything you do. If you're making music, if you're writing books, it can't be, I'm gonna sell a million copies. It's got to be I need to fucking make this the greatest literature that's ever been read.

But I think— I also think we need to push because of this whole, like, quick money and thing. The morals and codes people have are not taught enough to young people, you know. Do the right thing. When you say you're gonna do something, be there. When you make a promise do it, complete it. Don't just, you know, people just are so sue happy, and this culture of, of, you know, whatever, fuck them, we can just do whatever we want. It's like, that's fucking terrible behavior to put out to young people, you know. Yeah, you gotta have a code and a value system. That's what my dad— I mean, he was so, you know, you make a promise, that's all you have in this life is your word. So it's like, you got to do something.

You got to like— Dad should have been president. Why didn't he run for president?

He would—

because he did—

because he did politics.

He would have fucking won. I know, he's the mayor of Carmel.

Yeah, and then he said never fucking again. Yeah, people like—

it would have been a fun president though.

I don't know if I would have liked it though. Then it would have been like everyone— no, you— everyone would have come after me for no reason, bro.

You'd have been Don Jr.

Way to put it in the box.

Roped up into some crypto scheme. Everybody would hate you.

Making billions.

Yeah, geez Louise. Yeah, yeah, politics are dirty. I wouldn't have done it either if I was him. But you know, like when Ronald Reagan ran, a lot of people were like, finally, finally a guy who like is good at acting. I mean, that's kind of what the president is. It's a role.

Oh yeah.

Part of it is a role. Like you're playing a leader, and the way you behave, it's like you have to— it's very formal. The way you communicate, it's very formal. Yeah, you know, and actors are gonna be better at that, you know, like Josh Brolin. That guy could be the president, 100%. That dude could kill it as the president. He looks like a president. Didn't he play a president in the George Bush movie? Yes, that's right, he played Bush. Yeah, he could be president, you know. I know they tried to get The Rock to run.

Yeah, I think he was thinking about it.

Yeah, not much. He told me, right? Fuck this.

Yeah, or maybe he was just hyping it up. He was kind of— he was toying with you. He was like, yeah, I'm gonna do it.

He's very smart with social media. Yeah, he's a wizard at that stuff. But I think he's too smart to run for president. Yeah, you know, crazy. Like, get that giant-ass pro wrestler, get that guy. He should be our president. At least we know that our president could fuck up all the other presidents. That would be nice.

No, that's what I'd like to see. I'd like to see some sort of version it's like, okay, great, you got to be smart enough, but you also have to maybe do some sort of like fight or some sort of physical like competition, because you can't just be— you know, you got to be athletic.

You got to be—

yeah, you know, that would be cool. It's a great show anyways.

We should really make them do about 7 grams of mushrooms. Anybody who wants to be president, be good. You do 7 grams of mushrooms, we film it, we do it in a dark room with infrared cameras, or, you know, night vision cameras.

Freak out.

Yeah, yeah, we want to know how well you handle God.

But also expand your mind a little bit. Don't be so rigid in your ways, right?

Yeah, well, also I think a lot of those people would benefit from a psychedelic experience because it would just make them realize that, like, there's a lot more to the world than you can see right in front of your face. And you don't think that until you have it, and then you have it and you'll never think any differently again. You're always going to be like, okay, there's a part of this that's not real.

Oh no, I do. I trust me, I did the— I did 5-MeO, and it was— I mean, that was some life-changing stuff.

Well, you feel like you're dead when you take that stuff, right? That's the first thing you think, like, oh my god, I killed myself. Yeah, like I'm not around anymore.

Yeah, and, and, and I think what was the most powerful thing was when you come back, it's— it felt like seeing the world for the very first time again.

Mm-hmm.

Like the first time you saw grass, the first time you saw the sun, the first time you felt the wind. Yeah, I mean, I cried, I bawled for 45 minutes in my buddy's girlfriend's arms after I did it.

Whoa.

And I was like, I'm just so—

I got uncomfortable after about 5 seconds. I'm like, hey Scott, go cry on the couch. Why are you hugging my girlfriend, bro? You handsome bastard, get off of her.

But it was powerful.

Well, your ego is completely shattered after that stuff, and you probably weren't even thinking of who you're hugging. You just want to hug a human.

Yeah.

And it's the, the feeling of it is so like you're a part of everything in the universe, and there is no, there's no like particular destination. It doesn't exist. You're a part of everything all at once. It's a very strange feeling, and no one ever has ever done it and go, I didn't think it was that big a deal. Like everybody who does is like, wow.

Yeah.

Like, I've known— I know a few prominent right-wing people that have done it. They completely changed their life. A couple of them don't even talk about it, so I don't want to mention any names. Yeah, but then they want to talk to me about it. I'm like, yeah, so I'm a different person now. Whoever I used to be, I'm not that guy anymore. Like, that's— that's because once you know, once you know that you really are a part of the whole universe and it's like all the molecules and Everything everywhere is connected. There is no space. There's no space between anything. Everything is filled with something. Yeah, it's all a soup. It's a giant soup of energy and vibration.

And it kind of made— kind of actually made me sad for the people who will never try it and are so dealing with so much pain or dealing with such a rigid thinking or whatever it is that it could help them them. And I was like, oh man, that, that is sad.

The rigid thinking is a big one. It's interesting that it's becoming much more accepted to talk about, you know. I see like grown adults who are very successful, who run businesses, and they talk about psychedelics. And when I was young, when people talked about magic mushrooms or anything like that, it was always like you were a fool, you were a crazy person who wanted to like trip and see things that weren't there. It was never like you were trying to expand and your consciousness, and you were trying to just enrich your experience in life and, and have a better perspective, and ego death, and all those things that people are trying to do and be more connected to God. But now it's commonly discussed. It comes up all the time. So the public's perception on this has really radically shifted in my lifetime, and I think it's because of the internet. I think it's really— it really started started to change where I heard, I heard people talking about it in the early 2000s. And it was, um, even before social media, because there was a bunch of articles that were written and a bunch of people were talking about positive psychedelic experiences, and people were talking about how it helped them quit heroin, and people were talking about all these different things that were connected to mushrooms in particular.

But then all the Terence McKenna stuff that he was talking about, uh, DMT and LSD and a bunch of different psychedelics that have helped him. And So all this stuff started getting out there, and then YouTube. And with YouTube and with podcasts, then people really started hearing about it from people like Michael Pollan. And you're like, whoa, Michael Pollan is a very respected journalist. Like, what is he talking about? He's running— wrote a book about psychedelics called Change Your Mind. Like, what? And so it's now where rational, intelligent, educated people are free to talk about it, and they often do. And so that just alone gives me hope, because I feel like that's a big change in how people view something.

Well, was it— and I don't exactly know the history, but I've heard— was there alcohol lobbyists that were trying to kind of suppress, you know, weed use? This—

I mean, the alcohol lobby has.

Did they also go to psychedelics as well?

They haven't yet. No. Well, I'm sure there they are leaning in the direction of it not being legalized. But the problem with alcohol and marijuana is that places that do have legal marijuana, you see a diminished alcohol intake.

Sure.

The diminished alcohol intake's measurable. It's like they cost them money.

Yep.

It's real. You also have the darker thing, which is prison lobbies.

Explain.

Yeah, they lobby prison guards unions. They lobby— there's a bunch of people that lobby to make marijuana law laws, keep them on the books so they could keep locking people up.

Sure, cuz that's a massive business, right?

Yeah, their business is keeping people in cages, which is really fucking crazy.

Yeah, that's pretty—

it's really crazy that someone is— who's in the business of locking people up can actually lobby to make sure more people get locked up. And I mean, get locked up for something that—

no violent crime.

Yeah, and especially marijuana. Like, most Americans don't think that you that it should be illegal. It's a, it's a large number. It's like more than 70%, I think. Like, what was the— what's— what amount of Americans think that marijuana should be legal? Let's see if there's a poll. Put that into Perplexity, see what the universe says. I would say it's about 67% of Americans think marijuana should be legalized.

Legalized?

Yeah.

What do you think about all drugs being legal?

It's a tough argument because for sure you're gonna lose some people. If you make all drugs legal— look, if they made drugs legal right now, I'm not gonna go buy heroin. I'm not buying fentanyl. All right, I'm not, I'm not into meth. I'm not interested. If I could go to the pharmacy and pick up meth, I'm not gonna pick it up. But some people will. 70%— 70% of Americans say marijuana should be legal in general, according to recent Gallup poll. If you include people who support either medical or recreational legalization, it's 88 to 89%. US adults say marijuana should be legal in at least some form, with only about 11% wanting it to be completely illegal. And those people need to try it.

So look, I'm actually— pot never agreed well with me. And I think I have— I always get a little scared and paranoid sometimes where it— I was like, maybe I have like a propensity to like some sort of schizophrenia or something. I was like, oh, I don't—

this is wasn't—

I was like, I don't like this. This made me kind of go psychoschematic.

And so did it just make you scared, or did it like distort reality for you in a way that was—

No, I don't— I don't know if it distorted reality. It just got my brain, you know, it got my brain so freaked out about things that were out of my control. That's the part I like. Now I can see why, because like, you know, mushrooms they make you face some things that you're going on in your life. Yeah, and I think that's healthy. I don't know, pot just never agreed with me.

I think what I like about it is when it wears off. I like, I like that fear. I like, like Joey Diaz says, go meet the devil. I think there's some, some benefit to freaking out because then it calms down and you have more perspective. Perspective. But I think what's going on is you really can't think about all the threats of the world and all the problems in the world and all the things that can go wrong in your life. You can't think about those on a regular basis. You got to kind of put your blinders on and keep on trucking.

Sure.

And then marijuana is like, what's that in the corner of the room that you're scared of?

And you're like, oh, but I will say, as you know, important, like before the, the frontal cortex is like fully developed because it some danger for young men specifically.

Yes, right. Yes.

And schizophrenia and like, you know, some stuff that can come if you're not— I think that's with anything, right?

Yeah. I don't know how much alcohol causes schizophrenia, but it's really bad for brain development, especially young people that smoke regularly. It's not good for you. It's just not good for you. And I know that's hard for people to hear because they want to get high. Just trust me, if you're getting high all the time when you're 14 years old, it's gonna fuck your head up. Yeah, it's not good for you. It's just not good for your brain development. It's one of the most important things about you as a human being is your ability to think well. It's very important.

100%. And it's your operating system. Don't screw it up before it has a time to like—

just for hehees and hahas because you're bored in math class, you want to get high all the time. You know, I mean, people have done it and got away with it and they're okay, but a lot of people have not. And you don't want to sabotage your whole life just because everybody you know is getting high. It's just not worth it. And that also goes with alcohol.

Hall.

There's young people that are like 14, 15 years old that are getting drunk 4 or 5 times a week. Like, don't do it, man. I'm telling you, it is fucking bad for the development of your brain. Whatever you're— look, maybe you have a very high potential, maybe your brain— maybe you're always going to be smart and you're going to be fine. But I guarantee you, where— if you're getting drunk all the time and getting high all the time, wherever you would be is not where you are. You might be still a very high intellect, still very smart you would have been smarter, your brain would have functioned better, you'd have probably had a better perspective. It's not good for you. Yeah, and you know, we glamorize it for kids, like the kids at parties drinking, having a good time. It's fucking bad for you. Don't do it. Yeah, we can't— you also can't tell them don't drink, because if you tell them don't drink, they just want to drink more. You just gotta kind of inform them.

Well, Europe tends to have like a better culture, it seems as a whole, I'm sure they have their problems too, but it seems like, yeah, you know, they ease into it, right? Have a little, like less is more.

Yes.

Like with anything, actually, less is more. Yeah.

It's not forbidden. So you can have a glass of wine with your family when you're 11, 12 years old. You know, it's not that big a deal.

That Protestant culture we have is very rigid. Don't do this or you're going to die.

It creates drug addicts and hoes. People just want to not listen to their parents. They just want to do something that's fucking dead. Like, whatever you're doing, I'm doing the opposite because you are fucking annoying and you've been the bane of my existence. As soon as I get out of this house, I'm smoking crack.

Fuck you, Dad. Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

So to get back to your question, the problem with legalization is you're gonna have a bunch of people that do drugs that wouldn't do drugs normally because it's legal.

What about— they're gonna try it. But when you're of age, like, I don't know, call it 25.

Yeah, but even then, you're gonna have a bunch of people that don't like their life and just decide to go to the corner store and pick up some heroin however, what you're not going to do is empower the drug cartels and organized crime, and that's what we're doing now. So, in one way or another, people are going to get drugs. So, how are they gonna get drugs during Prohibition? Well, they're gonna get drugs from criminals. That's what they've always done. That's what they did during the alcohol prohibition. It's what people do. And when you've got a multi-billion-dollar industry, maybe trillion-dollar industry, right next door to us, us, which is Mexico, and they're just bringing it through, bringing it through. Like, what do we do? Are we empowering them, or would you rather have it legal and have a substantial portion of those profits— block out everything that comes in illegally, have a substantial amount of those profits put to rehabilitation and treatment?

So yeah, I was also thinking from a, like, a quality perspective too, right? Like, you're like, hey, that's cool, we get it, people are going to do this, but we're gonna monitor it and make sure it is what it says it is.

Yeah, look, alcohol is legal. There's a lot of people that don't drink. They don't like it. They don't like the way it makes them feel. They don't like the way it makes them act. They say stupid things. They feel like shit in the morning. They don't drink. That will be the same with cocaine. That would be the same with heroin. However, there's some people that are alcoholics, and alcohol is legal and it's everywhere, and these people will hit bars and get fucked up every night, and their life is gonna be a mess. They're gonna die of liver poisoning. Poisoning. Yeah, that's normal too. It's very unfortunate, but you can't nerf the world.

Yeah, and you gotta like trust a little bit that—

yeah, it would be really hard to sell to America that cocaine, heroin, and meth are now all legal. It would be really hard to sell to them. Yeah, but I think ultimately, I mean, it probably— MDMA— yeah, all those other things, those are less troublesome awesome. You know, not a lot of people are dying from MDMA, but people definitely abuse it and they definitely get addicted to it. They're doing it all the time. Apparently that whole thing about making holes in your brain is bullshit.

Oh really?

Yeah, that was a campaign.

Oh, I think it was probably just some internet horseshit. That's— let's find out what it does. MDMA does— does MDMA cause holes in your brain? Put that in there, see what Perplexity has to say. Well, I think they proved it. That's not the case.

A therapy, right? I mean, that was the, the impetus of the whole thing.

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No, MDMA does not literally punch holes in the brain that would show up as empty gaps on a scan, but high or repeated doses can get damaged serotonin neurons and alter brain signaling, especially with heavy use. So the holes— where the holes idea come from? Anti-drug companies popularized dramatic brain scan images that were described as showing holes, but these were actually areas of reduced activity or reduced binding of certain markers, not physical gaps in brain tissue. Issue. Still, that sounds bad. Reduced activity, reduced binding of certain markers— that sounds terrible.

I chalk up all this— it's like moderation to everything. Yeah, less of everything. It's like, I disagree with some people that I really trust, you know. You know, what's his name, Dr.

Paul Saladino, the Carnivore Doctor.

Yeah, I really like most of what he says, but and he's like, don't drink. And it's like, it's like, well, maybe it is, but also it's maybe pretty nice to have a glass of wine. It's nice to laugh with friends. Yeah. And it's nice, like, that's important too in life. And I think balance— we can— you tip the scale one way if you're totally extreme, and then you're just like the social life, and you're, you know, you can't, you know, go out and like, you know, really enjoy yourself for a second.

Yeah, it's important. Moderation.

Moderation.

And you're absolutely right about social life being— loneliness kills people quicker than anything else.

100%.

Yeah, people that are lonely, they have a— they die younger than people who smoke cigarettes.

Isn't that crazy?

Well, it's bad for you.

Yeah, it's—

being lonely is actually bad for you. Feeling bad is bad for you. I mean, it seems like it should be, right? It's bad, feels bad, probably bad for you. Feeling good is good for you. So a little tipsy with your friends, you're laughing, bah, I love you, I love you too, bro. It's great.

It's great.

It's great for people. Yeah, you're gonna feel like shit. Take your electrolytes. Take your electrolytes, drink a lot of water, get in the fucking sauna. Yeah, yeah, don't do it every day. Don't do it. Yeah, get an IV. Yeah, Dave Chappelle taught me that trick when I was touring with Dave. All he would do is like after shows, they would just get IVs. He would get vitamin IVs in the morning. They did it all the time. Big bags of glutathione to deal with the alcohol.

Yep, yep.

You'd go into like— Dave would have a room, you go into the room, it'd be like 8 of us there all hooked up to IV bags talking shit. It was fun.

That sounds good.

But he's smart. Like, that's how you counteract the fact that, look, he takes a lot— there's a lot of benefit, particularly for his job, right? Like, Dave's job is being silly and pointing out ridiculous aspects of our society. What better way to do that than to be talking shit shit with your friends with a couple drinks in you.

Imagine all the things you would have missed. Yeah, that wouldn't have been in your comedy, that wouldn't have been in your life. Yeah, hadn't you— you've just— I gotta go home now. Yeah, it's 8 o'clock, I gotta go home. You're like, what?

No, that's boring. Exactly.

You become a boring person too.

But there's also balance. Sometimes you have to realize like, uh, I've done this dance before, I gotta get up at 6. Yeah, see you guys.

Yep.

There's good to that too. It's like you have this— you have to have discipline, but you also have to have the ability to cut loose. And it's hard. It's hard to balance those things out, you know, like you're saying about vitamins. Like, I'm get off the boat, I'm on the boat, you know. Yeah, like that. It's like there's some things that should be non-negotiable, and for me there's two. There's nutrition and exercise. Those are non-negotiables. All the other things I'll fuck around with in terms of like—

they're all bonus, right? Yeah, bonus rounds. You have to get cardio, you have to hit weights, you gotta stretch, you gotta get good sleep.

Yeah, I have to do the workout stuff just for my brain.

Brain.

The, like, above the body stuff. It's great to keep the body healthy, and I'm very aware of that, and I think about that as well. But for me, it's my brain. When I have a nice, good, hard workout day, I'm so easygoing. I'm so free.

Do you have ADHD?

Oh yeah, for sure.

Okay, same.

I think everybody does. Anybody who's any good at anything has it.

Every ADHD guy thinks everyone has ADHD.

I think it's, I think it's a superpower.

No, I do too. I always tell people, and, and you're probably just like No, not read well. Yeah, okay, cuz that goes hand in hand quite often. Yeah, and, and are you dyslexic? I'm dyslexic.

And now, so explain to me what you see when you like see text.

I jump. Oh, I jump. So, you know, you need to go left to right.

Uh-huh.

My brain starts and then jumps and then it goes.

Is it regardless of the subject matter? Like if you think, if you're reading about something really interesting, does it do the same thing?

Thing?

Yeah. And now it just takes intense focus for me to read. And once I get in a good rhythm, I can get going. I can train my brain to read better.

Mm-hmm.

But when I'm not focused or there's other things going on, I jump, and then my brain has a really tough time. So I get tired very easily, and then it's like, oh, and I get, you know, I get a little frustrated, tired, and then I fall fall asleep.

Hmm.

Like that.

I do fall asleep if I try to read at night, but, um, I don't have a hard time reading, so I don't have the dyslexic thing. But I've had friends that have it. I don't understand. I'm like, so you see it, right? And you're going through it, but what is going on with your brain where it's making you jump back and forth?

I don't know. I think it's just losing focus. I don't, I don't know.

And regardless of the— like, it could be the most important thing you've ever read, you know? Like, what if you just like won the lottery. You got a piece of paper in the mail.

Oh, I'm reading that.

You just won $5 billion and you're like, wait a minute, do I owe $5 billion? What does that say? I can't read this.

Read this for me.

Yeah, no, I don't.

Yeah, it's just, I don't know if it's about, it's about the text messages are cool.

Yeah, I mean, all it's all, it just is harder. And now, you know, like when I grew up, they didn't give any sort of special treatment to that. Now it's almost mandatory in schools, right? If you're dyslexic, they give you more time for test-taking, they give you more time for reading, they have, you know, uh, teachers that will help with the dyslexia. There's tools you can use now.

Yeah.

So I got kind of boned.

Check something here. This is something weird, could be related. Uh, I've been seeing this a lot online and I'm very curious about this. Uh, people are saying there's a link between ADHD symptoms, I guess we'll call it, and histamine levels in your body. And I brought this up on the screen. It's not on shown for everybody, but there's something that pops up about it. There is some studies to it. And what I've been seeing is this link— people are taking Zyrtec and Pepcid AC together, which creates some sort of histamine receptor blocking.

Interesting.

This is where I'm like, I don't—

it blocks histamine receptors located in the blood vessels, airway, and skin, and reducing allergic responses, sinus congestion. So they're saying that it's, it's a reaction to histamines?

That's like, that's the mixture of Zyrtec, because Zyrtec's more like allergies, everyone's into that.

Pepcid AC is like acid, and you know, I wonder if there's different things that they're talking about when they're saying ADHD. Like, I could see people being easily distracted but when I say ADHD, the people that I know that have it, usually there's one or two things in their life that they can really fucking focus on, you know, whether it's playing golf or whatever it is, a thing that you do where you could just focus on that. Yeah, but other stuff you're just scatterbrained and you can't— and they'll say, oh, you have ADHD. Yeah, you know, or, you know, you're thinking a million things at once, you can't focus. That's what they always call ADHD. But everyone I know that has that that. It's always whether or not they're interested in the thing.

Sure.

As soon as they find the thing they're interested in, they can lock in for fucking 12 hours and forget to eat.

Well, you know how some— some people, when pressure— sorry to cut you off— when, like, you squeeze people, they either excel or they fold, right? When you squeeze, typically I excel. So I don't know where that comes from, but when you put the pressure on— I mean, that's why maybe, you know, I can do the job I do it's like there's 200 people looking at you, right?

Ready?

Emotional scene. You gotta bring yourself to tears, or it's emotional. It's like you squeeze. Some people are good at it.

Yeah, well, it's also you had to be good at it because you didn't have a backup plan, you know? That's also part of it. It's like, you know, your dad wasn't gonna help you out. You really were out there. Like, if you want to make it in anything, you have to be able to perform. Like, no matter what it is— if you're a lawyer, when you're in court, you have to perform. You have to, you have to be able to like, keep your shit together and execute. That's your job, relies on that. And if you're a focused person, you recognize that and you work hard to make sure that you focus and that you can execute when, when it's important. It's like people that avoid things that make them uncomfortable, they never develop that skill. And that's very unfortunate because it's one of the most important skills you could ever have with anything, is being able to focus and being able to perform under pressure. It's very important. Yeah, and we're missing that in life, you know. We don't have these life-or-death moments like that our ancestors had all the time, where some fucking villagers are sneaking up over the hill and you spot them and you run back to the fucking camp and you grab the bows and arrows and you go to war.

Like, we don't have that, so we don't have like, like a constant checking of whether or not your pressure system is functional.

Yeah, I mean, to bring it to this movie that I've got coming out tomorrow It's a World War II movie. Lucky Strike, I'll say the name, plug it. That generation of men had that, right? Because they— I mean, yeah, World War II. I talked to my dad about it, what it was like. He was only like 12 years old when World War II was going on, but he says he remembers listening to the radio and everyone in the family listening, like you could hear pins and needles because it was— we didn't know what was gonna happen. I mean, people were scared for their life, even back home in America. They didn't know what was gonna happen. And that, I think, is why that generation of men and women are just from a different breed. Yeah, you know, and you know, you've said it before on your podcast, it's like the hard, hard men, you know, create easier times. Easier times create. It's like the cycle that we're in. It's, mm-hmm, it's, yeah, I don't know, it's, I know, I think we need a little bit of that. We need a little hard, harder men.

100%. Well, we need to stop using this term toxic masculinity. No, there's criminal behavior. Like, yeah, toxic masculinity is a guy who beats people up and robs people and rapes. Yeah, that's toxic, man. That's criminal behavior. Yeah, okay, masculine behavior is not— it's protective productive. Masculine behavior is a guy who gets things done, provides for his family, takes care of people. You can call him at 2 o'clock in the morning because you need a favor, you're stuck on the side of the road. Like, yep, all that shit is important. Strong people are good. It's good to have strong people. Like, in this idea that somehow or another strength is bad for society, it's like really crazy. It's like, no, it's the strength needs to be channeled correctly. And that's why I think we have to encourage more people to exercise and And I would say for men, you should at least try martial arts.

100%.

It's so good for your brain. It's so good for your confidence. It's so good for your humility. And you're also— your understanding of like your vulnerability. So many people are fucking delusional. I've seen so many drunk people that don't know how to fight start fights, and you're like, do you want to die? Are you trying to die? Because you're gonna run into some fucking guy who knows how to fight and he's gonna hit you in the face and you're gonna bounce your head off the fucking concrete, you're gonna die. Yeah, so stop, stop doing this. But that delusional comes from not being around violence all the time.

Tested.

Yeah, not sharpened. Yeah, yeah, having experience, knowing what it actually is. And it's dangerous, and you should, you should do some dangerous things in your life. It's probably good for you. It's good to experience a little bit of fear. It's good to be nervous. It's like, you got to grow. And we are— we're in a society where people just want relaxation, they want comfort, they want entertainment, and they just want to be sedentary. And that is fucking terrible for our mental health. Coincidentally, we're in a mental health crisis where a giant percentage of people who act that way, who are sedentary and overweight and not taking care of themselves, are mentally ill.

You said something that was interesting, the being scared being really scared and pushing through that thing, whatever it is. Yeah, for me, when I, you know, it was— it's been martial arts, but it's also been surfing.

Oh yeah.

And, you know, being scared for your life on big days and going through that and getting to the other side, you've never been calmer. You've never been more zen with nature and clear in your mind about— and happy because you've accomplished something. You pushed your boundaries. You kept pushing them and pushing them, pushing them.

How old were you when you started surfing?

I was young, 8, 10.

Oh wow.

Yeah, I mean, you know, where it was like— and, and, you know, at first it's, you know, these waves scare you, and then it's, you know, the, you know, bigger than the room scare you. And, and you go through these, and it kind of could be all— you feel like life and death experience if you, you know, if you push, if you're pushing yourself.

Have you ever had a shark situation?

I've seen sharks, but never in a way that's, that's been like, oh my god, I'm a—

bro, if I saw a shark, that would be, oh my god, I'm on a Styrofoam fucking—

yeah, you know, popsicles. There's a difference between, between, you know, seeing a shark further away or seeing a shark on a boat or seeing a shark you know isn't gonna hurt you.

What are you talking about? You have a conversation with the shark, bro? We're cool, right?

No, but look, you spent, you spent as much time in the water, you spend as much time in the water as, you know, surfers have done it their whole life, you, you, you kind of understand what, what sharks are gonna hurt you.

What's going on here, Jamie?

Great white stalking paddleboarders last week.

Oh great. Oh good lord, do they even know what's happening?

Does not appear that way.

Oh my god, how do they not see that fin?

Not looking behind them.

Oh my god, they didn't even see it. That's— you sure this is an AI? Oh, it's ABC News.

Wow.

But I don't— I don't actually don't think there's any more sharks. I think there's just more cameras, you know, there's just more people with drones and cameras seeing them.

Well, there has been heightened shark activity in some places where people are, for sure. I think particularly in Northern California.

I think in Australia too.

Yeah, well, Australia has a lot of them, and they seem to be angry over there too. Like, their sharks are angry. Everything's angry. Fucking, their crocodiles are angry. They fuck people up. I was reading about this guy who was the first guy to die in an alligator attack in Texas since 1830-something. And the story is— I don't know if this is true. Jamie, pull this up, see if it's true. The guy's name supposedly— rest in peace, Tommy— Tommy Woodward. He was drinking with some friends in a marina in Orange, Texas, when he decided to swim in Adams Bayou. People warned him about a massive alligator that had been seen in the water. His friend pointed out near the dock, and his response was, "Fuck that gator." That was the last thing he said, and then they killed— the gator killed him. He was the first guy killed from an alligator in Texas since 1836.

Yeah, you don't swim in the bayou if there's a—

but that is one of the most Texas fucking things that anybody's ever said. Fuck that gator right before he died.

He's probably drunk, not respecting nature, drunk as fuck.

He jumped in a water— fuck that gator is a wild thing to say before the gator eats you. And that's, you know, humility. You got to have a little humility, Tommy.

Mm-hmm.

Tommy, don't say fuck that alligator. Here it is. Man mocks alligator, jumps in water, and is killed.

Oh, this is recent.

No, no, no, 2015. So what is the story? What does it say? Does it say he said fuck that gator in this article?

Fuck that gator.

So there's a sign that's posted. It says no swimming, alligators.

And, uh, and he went—

oh yeah, it said he removed his shirt, removed his billfold. Someone shouted a warning, and he said blank that gator, blank the alligators. Fuck, man. They said fuck. Why didn't they just write F— jumped in the water and almost immediately yelled for help?

That could have been what the guy actually quoted, even though he, you know, he wasn't quoting him. Maybe he doesn't feel like saying the F word, right? Right, right, right.

Yeah, immediately yelling for help is crazy.

Oh, no bueno.

Yeah.

I was in Florida a couple years back. We went alligator hunting and they are everywhere. Like, it's kind of disconcerting. We were in the Everglades, like in there, there's a ranch where you can go hunt alligators. It is, uh, they're everywhere. It's not hard to find them. They're fucking all over the place. Like, it's how many of them are there that you don't see is the real question. It's a weird feeling because I thought like it would be like hunting elk. Like, you got to go find them. Like, we'd be glassing for them. Where's the elk? Walk, go over the next ridge. Do you hear anything? Somebody make a call. Yeah, do you hear that out there? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. There's, there's one. Oh, there's one. Oh, there's one. Oh, here's one. Or here's a dead one. Here's one another alligator killed. They're fucking— look at this.

No thanks, dinosaurs.

Where is this? This is a guy's tent.

Yeah.

Oh God, bro, run!

Yeah, get that video off. What is—

oh, I've seen this. Isn't this in like Brazil?

I think so.

Yeah, I think this is in Brazil. I think this guy The eyes. Oh, fuck, all that. Look at all the eyes.

Oh, I didn't even see that.

Yeah, that was what I was trying to get.

Oh my God, that's terrifying.

So they must all come out of the water at night and this dude put his tent there.

Plus the 5 on the shore.

Oh my God, dude, that is insane. That's insane. And you know they're all hungry. There's that many of them. How many deer can they eat, you know? They're not small at all, dude. They all could eat you. Fuck all that. But the weird feeling about Florida being there was the just the sheer numbers of them, and then knowing how many pythons there are. And you— I didn't see any pythons, but I go, how many do you guys see pythons? Bro, like occasionally you'll be just driving, you'll see something making its way across the road and it's 15 feet long.

No, no, gross.

Thick like a fucking football player's thigh.

I don't mess with that. So I don't— I'm— I would way rather be in the water with sharks because at least you can, you can, you know, you can open your eyes.

You can see.

You can climb a tree if you're out in the woods.

Yeah, but in the bayou, I don't know, man. It's swamp.

It's— yeah, don't go in the water water there. Yeah, but outside of the water, I would way rather be on ground.

I mean, if you're like—

if you have, you know, distance and you have a gun, you have a lot of things. When you're in the water with a shark, you're fucked, man. You can barely move.

Well, you can actually— if you—

if you—

they're really deterrent by if you touch their nose. So if they're coming at you and you poke them, hit their nose, they're usually gonna turn.

For real?

Yeah.

Have you done this?

No, I'm not.

So when they come after you, don't flip your legs and scream and flop. No, keep them in front of you. Bop them. Yeah, pop them on the nose.

Pop them.

I've heard that before. I've heard punch them. I'm like, what are you talking about? Yeah, here it says, bop the nose. How punching a shark in the face saved this Hawaiian surfer.

I mean, it's not good either way. You don't want to be in the water with an angry shark.

Well, in Florida, they don't have as many shark problems, but they do have bull sharks. And I was watching this video, there's these guys that go fishing, I guess it's the Keys, and they go off of this giant bridge and it's like real far to the water. So they have to have this like gaff system where they drop a line down and they gaff the fish enough to pull it up. They're catching these tunas and they never get them to the, to the, to the bridge. They're just getting destroyed by sharks. There's sharks all over the place down there.

Yeah, bull sharks are real dangerous because they, they'll keep attacking, whereas a lot of sharks bite out of, you know, misconfusion, right?

They're—

they sort of think you're a seal or something.

Yeah.

No, and then they bite and they're like, ah, okay. Bull sharks, they'll just keep coming.

They're like little chihuahuas, like pit bulls.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, fuck those things. They catch them a lot now. What is going on with this guy?

Bull sharks eating a tuna. Oh really? I thought this was the video, but there's actually no views on that, so maybe not.

Uh, well, this guy's actually in the water. The guys that I've seen— is this in the Keys as well?

It said big shark circling. I thought it was going to be a little more exciting than this.

Oh man, imagine you're pulling a fish in, you see a shark, you're like, you just take it, take the fish.

Jesus Christ.

Christ. But a lot of guys, they pulled them in, they're cut in half, you know.

Oh yeah.

So you can— they bull shark fish down there now. You can catch bull sharks every day. They're trying to reduce the population because apparently it's a very high population. Mm-hmm. You know, bull sharks are the reason why Jaws was made. Do you know the original story behind Jaws?

No, I didn't know that.

The inspiration was actually bull shark attacks in freshwater on a river in New Jersey. So bull sharks are one of the weird sharks that can live in freshwater and saltwater.

Right?

Is this the, the thing?

Yeah, 1916.

Yeah, so this is the, uh, they caught that bull shark and, uh, they killed I think 2 people, right? Series of shark attacks, 4 people were killed and 1 critically injured. Incidents occurred during a deadly summer heat wave and polio epidemic in the United States that drove thousands of people to seaside resorts in the Jersey Shore. So They think it's a bull shark. It says there's been a debate, but it's in freshwater.

It's not gonna be a 40th anniversary Jaws screening in that bay, and people sat in the water to watch.

Also natural selection.

But they've, they've found bull sharks as far north as Illinois.

Oh yeah, up the river system.

Yeah, they make their way up the river.

That's scary.

That's crazy. It's the most aggressive shark, and they found them in freshwater. I think that dude that used to have that show River Monsters—

you remember that guy?

Oh yeah, I remember the show.

Yeah, the guy who just caught fish all the time, like the craziest redneck. No, he wasn't a redneck. It was actually like an educated guy with a foreign accent.

Where was he from?

River Monsters. Yeah, I mean, I remember the show. I just don't— I don't know if I ever watched it. I just remember seeing it.

What's it? Many from like the, the River Monsters guy, the guy with the gray hair.

Oh, he was a fisherman.

Jeremy Wade's his name.

That's his name. Yeah. Where's he from? He's not from America, right?

British.

There you go.

Yeah.

British biologist. I think he did an episode on the bull sharks. I think there was one of those where they were trying to catch them in fresh water. They realized like these things, they go way up the rivers.

Yeah.

Way. And they can live in fresh water unlike all the regular sharks. Yeah, I think, yeah, maybe some of them can, but I think most of them have to be in saltwater, like great whites, stuff like that.

But they do—

I mean, they've tagged great whites and they'll go around the world. I mean, you think they would have— they thought, you know, historically that they stayed in certain temperature of waters and certain migrating patterns, but they've found them all over.

Yeah, my daughter got really into megalodons at one point in time, so we really started like researching megalodon.

She got a bunch of dogs.

No, not really.

You know what I mean, for the—

oh no, they're trying to find this online. But you, you start watching documentaries on megalodons, and you know, and then there's the people that think the megalodons might still be out there. And you're like, okay, probably not. But either way, like, the fact that that thing actually exists— yeah, well, shark the size of a whale, they're fucking everything up.

Yep.

Like, you, you wouldn't be surfing if there was megalodons, would you? I probably still would.

I mean, I mean, I don't know. I mean, it's not a bad way to die, I guess. Swallow you whole.

You have to get— you'll suffocate and get digested.

Yeah, out there doing something you love.

Yeah, that's a good story, I guess, for other people.

I mean, it'd be pretty quick, you know. What's worse? What's worse? You live this crazy long life and you're in bed for the last 5 to 7 years of your life and you're hurting and you're like dealing with cancer or this, that, or just bam, hit by a shark. I don't know, I think kind of, yeah, I could see it, I guess.

But still, the instinct to stay alive is so strong. Yeah, when I'm 100 years old and in my bed, I'm like, maybe they're gonna have a new drug that's gonna bring me back to life. Yeah, they probably will be able to do that too. It's gonna get real weird. If they really can take old people— like, I was watching this video where they were talking about human skin cells, and at least in a lab, they've been able to take human skin cells and take like 60-year-old skin cells and make them 20 again. Yeah, that's gonna be really weird.

Well, I just don't— here, here's the thing. I'm all about living the best version of your life, being as healthy as you can, and Maybe not for like that, whatever you get, like being optimal. But isn't kind of the most beautiful thing about life is that it is finite? Yeah, that it's like people's like, I'm gonna live forever.

It's like they're gonna—

it's like, I don't know if I want to live forever.

Yeah, no, there's something to that, man.

Have you seen this trailer for this movie called White Whale Fall? Actually, Josh Brolin happens to be in it. Mentioned him earlier.

What happens?

This guy gets eaten by a whale.

No way.

It's in the trailer, so it's not a spoiler, and it's about him surviving.

Is it real?

She's—

I don't believe so. Falling through that thing's mouth.

The guy's just stuck in the whale's mouth?

Oh, the whale eats him while he's scuba diving.

Oh Jesus.

And then the rest of the movie is about getting out.

Getting out, I guess. Well, how long does he stay inside the whale's body?

Real complex plot.

85 to 95 minutes, I bet.

He's 85 to 95 minutes inside with his scuba tank inside the whale's body. This is bananas, dude. Just joking. Oh my God, it just keeps swallowing it.

Yeah, I mean, that's what the movie's about.

Oh, goddamn it.

Is that real? Is that a new—

this is the real movie.

Movie comes out.

Oh my God, I saw the trailer recently and I was just—

just made me think of it talking about getting—

it might be awesome or the dumbest movie that's ever been made. I can't decide.

Yeah, I don't know how—

what do you do if you have a knife? Do you try to carve your way out of the whale?

Yeah, you have to have a knife. Yeah, you would.

But how much time would it take you to carve your way out of a a whale forever. You're gonna run out of air. If you have the scuba tank and you have a knife, do you really think you can get through a whale? And how much that blubber—

oh, it's gonna take the gut of fish, but it's not a fish.

It's a fucking bus.

It's huge. You're very motivated.

That's true, that's true. But you got to get through rib cages.

I don't know if that's, um, a thick enough plot to have a whole movie.

Scott, this is the big one.

We're green lighting it.

This is it.

This is our Jaws. Oh God, the business sometimes just, oh, it's so bad.

How long would it take you to carve your way out of a whale?

80-foot sperm whale and he's got less than an hour of oxygen. Oh.

So that's, you gotta time this.

I don't think that's enough time. I don't think that's enough time.

You don't gotta crawl through 80 feet.

I think if you kept cutting it up, it might throw up. If you kept cutting the inside of his tongue, just kept slashing it, all that, he might just throw you up. Yeah, he might recognize there's something wrong. Like you would. Like if something was— if you put something in your mouth and started biting your tongue, you'd be like, ah, ah, you try to get rid of it. I would imagine the whale would do that too. I just start fucking up his tongue.

There you go.

Also, to keep you from getting digested, just stab him and just pull yourself forward.

And I'm glad you have an exit plan. You've got a plan.

You're not gonna cut your way out. I just think there's too much bone. I don't think you're gonna make it through that bone unless you go through— I don't even know where you would go. Like the neck, I could figure out how to get through on an elk. I'll go that way. I would go where the holes are. There's holes back here where the, you know, the guts are, and there's holes up here, you know, like where you'd shoot them if you're shooting a frontal.

They're not gonna cast you in this movie. They're like, though, he's getting out too quick.

I don't think I'm getting out quick. I think I'm dying of no air. I don't think I'm gonna make it.

Let's look at the anatomy of a sperm whale here.

You're gonna be— okay, where am I here? See, I want to get out through the neck. See right there? That's where I want to get out. But all that stuff— if you go to the bottom— yeah, but you're not— it's gonna take too long for you to get through all those.

Now you go right to the sphincter and just like, you know, open the little butthole.

Yeah, just convince him to digest quickly. No, there's too much travel. Traveling, okay? You're gonna want to— you're gonna want to go through where you came in.

You don't want to go through the intestines.

No. And also, you're dealing with acids. They're gonna burn. And I think you want to cut through the front. So I think as he's swallowing you, you got to dig in and you gotta make your way through the bottom of his jaw. You got to start cutting, and maybe you'll get out. But what—

he's greenlit this movie. We need to find out.

Yeah, some crazy person. Maybe it's really good. Josh Brolin's in it. It's probably kills.

It actually is probably a pretty popular— well, like, New York Times bestselling novel. Oh my god, sounds like a pretty good story. They made a movie out of it.

There was a whale they spotted fairly recently that had a harpoon in it from the 1800s.

Oh wow. Yeah, that's alive.

Yeah, it was alive. Yeah, and it had this harpoon embedded in in it. See if we can find that story.

That's wild.

Might be some Instagram horseshit.

Oh, okay.

2007, but yeah, fairly recently. I remember internet, they, they found this whale and they recognized that the harpoon was from the 1800s. Yeah, 2007, Native Alaskan whalers near Barrow, Alaska made a remarkable discovery. A 50-foot bowhead whale found with a metal fragment of a late 19th century bomb lance. An explosive harpoon embedded in its neck. The artifact traced to New Bedford, Massachusetts— the explosive harpoon was patented in 1879 and manufactured in the late 1880s. So the whale's age— by survival, surviving the initial attack, whale lived for over a century with the metal tip lodged safely in its neck, a thick blubber. The extraordinary survival story helped biologists prove that bowhead whales Whales can live for 100 to over 200 years.

Did the whale get shot near Massachusetts, or did they travel to Alaska with that device?

That's a good question. Well, they were probably whaling in Massachusetts a lot, so they probably, like, made good tech, like East Coast manufacturing, and then they probably shipped it off to Alaska. There's not as many people up there.

There.

So they probably didn't have as much manufacturing. But imagine they— in the 1870s, they would ship things by train. They would ship things by train and boats into the— yeah, I mean, they always had that. They always had trade, you know. You could always ship things. Not easy, but if you wanted to get guns, like say if there was a, you know, if the army was in California in the 1800s, they had to get guns, and they would get the guns shipped them. Yeah, they do. They carry the guns with them as they made their way across the country, or they can get them shipped to them.

Yeah, I went to— I shot a movie in Iceland. Oh God, 20— feels like 20 years. I think it was 20 years ago. What was it, the movie? Yeah, it was called Flags of Our Fathers, and it was also World War II. And, you know, the whaling sort of trade was— it's not— wasn't looked at in the same way, I think, America Americans like look at whaling, they're like, right, God, how dare you?

They look at it, it's normal.

Yeah, it's, uh, it was really interesting.

They had to stay alive. Yeah, yeah.

And it's like, where, where do you draw the line? It's everyone's got this like, oh, you can't kill this, but I can have my—

listen, dude, to live in Iceland, whaling is on the menu. Yeah, because you need to stay alive. Like, especially way back in the day. Oh yeah, there was not a lot of resources in Iceland.

Mm-hmm.

You know, they have a fermented shark dish in Iceland that it's very popular that Bourdain told me was the single most fucking disgusting thing he's ever eaten.

Really?

And it's a delicacy, like they all love it. See if you can find this fermented shark thing that they eat.

I will. Uh, that whale was— interesting question, kind of like what I asked. It's a— it was even older. There's like another problem is that that device would have been used up by 1890, it says, because they were very popular popular. I don't know how specifically it would have gotten in that whale.

Interesting. It says, what you don't know is if some Yankee whaler had a harpoon made in 1830, traded it to an Inuit, and then the Inuit or his offspring used it 40 years later. But because the bomb lance was patented and stocks were used up quickly, Boxstos and his colleagues identified a narrow window which they believe the whale was shot somewhere between 1885 and 1895. Biologists in Alaska will now try to verify the estimate by examining the lens of the whale's eyes. Whoa. Whales generally become cloudy— their eyes become cloudy as they age. Found only in Arctic waters, the bowhead was in danger of being hunted to extinction at the turn of the century but bounced back after demand for whale-borne— whale bone corsets plummeted. Holy Holy shit, dude. That was it? Whalebone corsets were killing all the— imagine the whales, they're like, why are they killing us? Are they eating us? Like, no, these chicks, they just want to suck their waist in tight. Guys think that's hot.

Like, what? No, no, they can't be serious, right?

That's what they made them out of?

Oh wow.

So it had like spines from the whale bones.

What?

So that's what it looked like? Like a corset? They turned into like a, almost like a like strap?

Whalebone.

That's whalebone?

Strange.

What?

Imagine having to figure that out. Why wouldn't they just use wood?

Steel boning for synthetic whalebone.

They probably ate the whales and then they were like, oh, look, this excess bone we can use.

Yeah, I guess they probably just had the bone and realized it was kind of flexible.

No, this is— whale bones weren't even made from bone at all.

I went to, I went to my buddy's cattle processing processing plant in California, and they use everything. I mean everything. They use the part of the heart, I believe. Oh, it's an organ. I can't remember. They use it in medical operations. They pull it out and then they send it on ice. They use it for some patching of the heart thing. I mean, down to everything— hooves, everything.

Wow.

And it's, it's actually like fascinating to see. You're like, oh, this is super efficient. This uses for a lot of different applications— for hide, for all kinds of stuff.

Which makes sense because it's all valuable. Why would you not use it all? And it makes people feel better if you know that the whale is being completely harvested, like every— completely everything is used. Yeah, that's awesome. Awesome. Yeah, I mean, if you have a connection, that's really the best way to get food. If you have a connection with a really good ranch and they're real ethical and it's all grass-fed meat and animals are raised on a pasture like they're supposed to be.

Even the way they slaughtered him at this place was super— it was really gentle.

They—

and that was their whole thing. It's like, we're taking a soul, but this is part of life, right? Life eats life. And the way they did it It was really painless, and it was just boom boom, and then it was super—

was it No Country for Old Men style?

Oh, the air bullet? Yeah, yeah, it goes right to the—

apparently that just shuts the lights off.

Shuts the lights off quick, and then they bleed them out.

How badass was that motherfucker in that movie?

Javier?

Oh my God, Javier was so good in that. It might be one of the single best performances I've ever seen in a movie. Yeah, because you believed him. Yeah, you believed him when he's making that dude flip that quarter. Oof, you know, he's—

I mean, he gives you the chills. Oh yeah, that hair, that weird haircut.

Weird haircut. Oh, and it— but it's just the commitment to being a psycho. Like, that dude's got some darkness in his eyes.

Mm-hmm.

That much. Yeah, look at that weird haircut. Crazy haircut.

God, he just—

Javier is a bad motherfucker, dude. His— there's something about his bad guys that are like this Cape Fear role that he's in now.

Mm-hmm.

I haven't seen it yet.

I haven't seen it either, but the fucking trailer made me uncomfortable just seeing him in the trailer. Yeah, he's a good creep. He plays a real good psycho. Yeah, you know, there's some dudes where you're like, I believe it, and some guys you're like, come on, man, you're a nice guy.

Also, the original Cape Fear, I mean, Robert De Niro in the original Cape Fear, man, you've played bad guys Do you have a problem playing bad guys?

Is it hard for you to get into it? Like, what is more challenging for you, like, to play a bad guy or to play, like, the World War II thing? You got to play someone from a different era, which I would imagine has its own challenges. But is it hard for you? Because you're so nice. Do you have a hard time when you play bad guys?

Well, I got to do it for Guy Ritchie, which was like, you know, the ultimate, right?

Yeah, he rules.

Yeah, in Wrath of Man. And it was actually kind of liberating, kind of fun. You could sort of do things you're not supposed to, you know. You could like act out on your impulses a little bit, you know. You think of something fucked up in your head, you're like, why would I— why did I think that? I'm not gonna punch that person in the face. Why did I think that? You kind of like, you know, to like a lesser extent, you obviously aren't doing everything, but you, you could kind of like revel in your own like messed up thinking. Mm-hmm. But I don't, I don't love doing it, to be honest. I think, I think I want to do it very selectively. Like, I mean, for Guy Ritchie, I'll do anything, right? He's— I think he's one of the best, best, best ever.

Look at you.

Yeah.

And so, you know, I was— I had to kill a kid there, and I was— I had to just do the dirty work and get it done.

Even look evil there, like something, something's different. Yeah, look at your face.

Face.

Doesn't even look like you. Okay, you look evil. You look like legitimately evil.

Yeah, yeah, it was loose. I was tying up loose ends there.

Is it, um, when you're doing that, when you're playing an evil guy, are you thinking evil?

A little. I'm— look, I mean, at the end of the day, it's a job. I treat it as a job. I'm not one of these crazy psychos that like, like, let things become distorted in your mind.

When you pretend you're Abraham Lincoln for 6 months, I mean, yeah, I mean, I believe him.

Daniel Day-Lewis, like, I believe him. I don't know, maybe, you know, maybe I, you know, if you want to be the best, I think it comes with a price. And that price— sanity.

Yeah, a little bit of sanity.

Uh-huh.

You got to give it up.

My dad was never like that. He was like, it's a job. Like, go to work, do the best you can, put in the reps, make sure you're, you know, your shit, and you come prepared and you have some something interesting. But I can leave it at the door, man.

Yeah.

You know, you see people, like, their minds get twisted And, you know, we deal with artists, right? Artists are— they can be special sometimes.

Yeah.

And they take themselves very seriously. Yeah. But there's also a certain amount of— you have to be thinking about how that character would think, right? If you're really going to pull it off and you really did pull it off. So you had to be having some evil thoughts. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. You have some—

like, you have some— I would love to talk to you.

I was like, it was a greedy role. Yeah, and I was like, I kind of let the greed take over, which is a little— which is a little scary.

So do you have to think like a greedy guy before the— like, like when you're getting ready for a scene, like how do you get your head in that space?

Yeah, a lot of— a lot of manifesting sort of those thoughts and emotions, like, what the fuck do I want to take? Whatever the fuck I want right now. Yes, you sort of, you know, you you play that, but then you got to let it go.

Like, day—

end of the day, man, you got to let it go, right? You got to be like, all right, cool, that was— that was that thing.

And then it's got to be slippery, right?

I think it can be if you don't have— if you value this career too preciously and you don't realize, hey, we're telling stories, it's fun. I'm so grateful I've gotten to do it, but it doesn't define me. It might have made me, but it's not gonna break me, right? I have other interests and other things, and I know there's other important shit out there that I could do in this life. I think you have to have that level of thinking, because if you think this is everything— and I mean, it's too extreme. It's like extreme— we were talking about before, it can get too It's not healthy.

Mm-hmm. Well, a lot of people have problems after roles are done. Like, apparently Jim Carrey really struggled after he played Andy Kaufman, cuz—

yeah, yeah.

I'd like to talk to him about that because it seems like he got, from all accounts, the people that work with him on the film, he got so into that character that he was like being Andy Kaufman all the time.

Yeah, we heard a lot of accounts. Like, it was, it was like, they were like, dude, you you gotta chill. You gotta chill. I mean, I've worked with some that are— that have taken it to the level.

Yeah, they said Jared Leto did that when he was playing the Joker. The people like, hey man, stop, stop sending me dead birds, rats, dead rats.

Shia LaBeouf. Yeah, LaBeouf, LaBeouf. I don't know, I always get corrected.

Sorry, Shia.

Shia.

But yeah, there's a lot of those guys, they go into that rabbit hole and they can't crawl out.

It's just, I think, just having— also, it's like frontal cortex being defined, right? Like, you get famous too early when you did— you know, I worked as a valet, I worked as a barback, I friggin' did all these shitty jobs that, you know, you kind of like, oh no, I understand like how the real world operates. You get famous too early, you get stunted in your growth.

Mm-hmm.

And I truly believe that.

I think so too. And I think it's a real crime when they do it to little kids.

It's 100%.

They never make it out normal. No, I never met one.

Leo, Leo, Leo made it out.

Yeah.

Yeah, he was a child actor.

That's right.

He had good people around him. He had, you know, he's disciplined and he— yeah, he's got a good, like, sense of the world.

That's good. Yeah, but he always has like 20-year-old girlfriends.

Is it everything?

Chillin' on a yacht with 20-year-olds. I don't understand, like, what do they even talk about? But at the end of the day, maybe less talking. Very few. Well, he did really, he really was famous on, you're pretty young though.

Yeah, really young.

He might be the only one. But I mean, I guess Jodie Foster, she seems pretty put together. She doesn't seem like she's lost her fucking marbles. But then you see the Britney Spears of the world and these other people and you go, oh man, I don't think that was really good for them, you know.

Yeah, there's—

I think also Corey Feldman, you see these people that were like huge movie stars, they're young, and as they're getting older, it's like, I don't think they're doing good. Yeah, their head's all fucked up.

Yeah, well, you place too much value on that too, and then it goes away. Yeah, where's your identity?

I had Macaulay Culkin in here, and he was very interesting, very nice guy, like very smart guy, interesting guy, but he struggled. Struggles, you know, it's like he realizes he was sort of robbed of a normal childhood. Yeah, became famous as a little kid, man. Home Alone, he was little.

Yeah, my dad— I mean, kudos to my dad because he, he did a really good job of protecting us from that and, and very private. We didn't live in LA, didn't live, you know, we lived in Carmel. We were— it was a very, you know, as normal as it could be. But in the sense that he was like, no, that's, you know, you just, you need to be a normal child and learn how the world works.

Carmel's beautiful, man. It is a nice place to grow up.

Yeah, they say, they say newlywed and nearly dead, right?

That's what it is, because it's like people get married there and then they fucking go there to die. Yeah, it's so true.

Yeah, it's a little slow for But it's beautiful. I do appreciate it.

But they have annoying homeowners associations.

Oh yeah, come on. You were at the thing and you didn't do what you were supposed to do.

This is off-white. This is not white. Your fence is the wrong color.

Yeah.

Fucking get a life.

Well, old people love to control their neighborhood. They get horrible on those homeowners associations. Old people who are really into controlling the neighborhood, like, oh, I'm like so bored with that story.

I'm like, God, you can you just be different? Can you just surprise me with something else, you know?

Yeah, and old people like to live around other old people too. Makes them feel comfortable. They don't want to be around parties, you know? So that's why Carmel like calls out to them. If you keep the real estate price high, great. Now you got old people living around old rich people.

Yeah.

Yeah, the most fun. They're the most fun.

They're the most fun.

Yeah, they're the most entitled. Yeah, most— they think they could tell you the most what to do because they used to telling everybody what to do. Hey, but still, Carmel, fucking beautiful, beautiful part of the country. Yeah, that coast. Oh my god. And also sharks out there, a lot of great whites. They're all over the place up there. Yeah, yeah. But it's— California, man, is one of the most beautiful places on earth. It has so much variation. There's something— you got deserts, you got the beach, you got mountains, you get everything all in this one beautiful state.

Yeah, everyone was— I mean, even in the, like, development of our country, I was like, everyone was going out west because it was so prestigious. It was like, ah, the Gold Rush and getting out west.

And then California, really LA, it was the movie industry. That's really what made it.

It's kind of sad now because it's— they've completely driven it out. I mean, they're—

good job, guys. Yeah, barely have TV shows. Barely, barely.

It's brutal.

It's brutal.

What, do you still live there?

No.

You live out here now?

Yeah, I'm— I kind of— I tell people I live on the road because that's essentially where I am. You know, I was— I was Atlanta, I was here, I was there. I was in Italy making a movie.

Well, that's the thing about film, right? Like, they're never—

it's—

how many films get filmed in Los Angeles these days? It's not even beneficial to live there.

I've never— I don't think I've ever worked on— maybe I've worked on one film, but it was about for a week, and it was— we shot the rest of it somewhere else.

Yeah, they make it so hard for people now. It's so stupid.

Yeah, it's rough. It's rough. It's, it's sad because film is, you know, inherently like Hollywood is inherently something that we've produced out of California, out of America. And it's like to see that just get completely blown up. I know, industry.

Oh, do you have friends still live back there?

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, tons of California friends. And, you know, it— I look, I was never— I don't have a lot of industry friends. I do have some, but actors like sometimes aren't my people. They're just not, right? I just, I don't know, like the— I don't want to intellectualize about it. I don't want to talk about acting, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, it's like, that's like cool, it's something I do, but it doesn't define me, you know.

Some of them are just— they're so self-important.

Yeah.

And it's, you know, you're— it's not even— almost not their fault, almost, because they're getting their asses kissed all the time. They're on sets and people are trying to get them bagels and coffee, and everyone's always catering to them. So they start feeling like they deserve that from the world. Yeah, it just gets real weird.

It gets weird. There's a lot of deep insecurity in that industry, right? It's masked by, masked by like false security, right? Like, it's like, I'm the man, I'm tougher, I'm this thing. You build this ego up and you're like, yeah, ah dude, like, we're just doing the job here. Can you get to set and shut the fuck up?

It's just the attention that you get, you know. You get so much attention from the world that you start thinking you're important. And you know, it's natural, natural for human beings, but especially even more natural for people that pretend to be someone else for a living.

No, and like, some of the accountability, man, in the industry is unbelievable. I, you know, I just worked with somebody that I think was just— without saying any names, but, you know, just maybe, you know, people just get like too famous for too long, they think the world owes them something, and then when it comes to like doing the right thing, you're like, dude, you get just— it's black and white. White. Do the right thing. Don't be a piece of shit. You, you can't do that. That's unacceptable behavior. And they're like, fuck that, I can do it. And you're just like, what, dude?

What are you talking about exactly? You could, you could say a name and then we'll edit it out. I want to do that.

Well, yeah, I just, you know, we started working on a film with, with a director and, and they decided, you know, after we had spent a bunch of money, that they just didn't feel like they wanted to work with this other person and didn't want to do the job, do the thing. And so I was like, okay, well, you need to pay that money back now to that person who invested in you. And I don't do that. It's like, well, yeah, you do. Yeah, you do. That's the right thing to do.

So they decided they didn't want to work with another person.

Yeah, I didn't want to work with like another person after we like started pre-production on the film.

So they're trying to get the person kicked off the movie, or were they leaving?

Left.

And they they're— it was their, their directorial, their story, their thing. It was just like, bro, you took money from somebody.

That's also a good way to get sued. That seems like, yeah, person can get sued pretty easy for that.

Yeah, but it's just, it's like, it's just the bigger, the bigger thing is just I've seen some behavior in this business that is shocking, that would not go in other industries, but for some reason, because they're stars Right, yes.

Yeah, like, what? It's also the thing— there's a thing that some people want to be a star so they can behave like that. They want to be a star so they can order people around or just do whatever the fuck they want to do and just be unpredictable and wild. Like, they actually enjoy that aspect of being famous.

Yeah, I— to be honest, I never— I really didn't. Like, people, people think they want to be famous. You don't want to be famous. You don't want to be famous.

Famous.

Rich.

Yeah, rich is better.

Rich is better. But to be fit, like, that goal is so twisted. It's not like— I love telling stories, and when we're doing a creative endeavor and you move people, whether you'll make them laugh, make them cry, whatever, but the whole other side of that is like just really ugly. And it's— and I think I was lucky in some ways because I got to see it growing up and got to see see like how it's bullshit, right?

When your dad's one of the most famous movie stars of all time, yeah, and he's just your dad, yeah, you go, oh, this is bullshit.

It's bullshit.

Yeah, complete bullshit. Also, your dad is not like a guy who gives in to that stuff either. Yeah, he's not a guy who worships that kind of fame, or he's not interested in that at all.

Not at all. He's just a put your boots on, go to work man. It happens to be in a crazy creative endeavor, which is really cool, and gets to use that, you know, use that muscle.

But did you hesitate at all about getting into acting because your dad was so famous at it?

Sure. I think I was always like— I think I was always like, hey, I love telling stories, I love watching movies, I love this. I don't know if exactly I wanted to ever be like just an actor. It wasn't like, oh, that's my—

but you love my thing.

I love the storytelling of it. And I was like a conduit in. I'm doing other, other things in film now, producing, and I do want to direct. It'd be nice to like show up with my own clothes to work. Wear this, wear here. But also, film's a director's medium. It's not really an actor's medium. You need actors, it's part of the deal, but the making of a film goes way beyond the filming of a film. You know, there's a filmmaking made in script and development. There's a film made while you're shooting it, and there's a film made in editing.

Have you ever directed anything before?

I've, you know, done in a creative capacity where I've been a producer. I've had hand in directing, but not like, hey, that's my helm, that's my name on the, on the thing, and I'm super proud of it. I, I just haven't found the right material material to go on, to go out and kind of schlep around.

Do you write?

No, no. And I, I, it's a backbone of the industry, right?

Yeah, if you could write your own thing.

Yeah, I don't know how I'd like— when, like, the discipline to do it for, like, for what you do is, um, it's, it's tough, you know? Like, you have to—

thought to paper, it's That doesn't interest you?

It does in a sense. I just don't like sitting. You know what I mean? I am really good at collaborating and talking about material and saying, what about this?

What if he said this?

What if he did this?

What about this?

Can we go this way?

So I think maybe you can have a writing partner. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe you have a writing partner, someone who you jive with that's creative, and you guys could get together and you could come up with your own ideas. Yeah, that way you have like material that is exciting for you and you could direct that. Because I would imagine if you're even working with guys like Guy Ritchie and all these directors you work with, you've got a chance to see the discipline in the highest level. You get to see those guys do it, you know, you get to see how they piece it together. Must be fascinating.

It is. And everyone has a different, a different way of going about it. Like Guy Ritchie, here's the thing about Guy 'Hey Richie, you learn the script, then you show up,' and he's just like, throws it out the window and goes, 'You say this, you do that, you do this.' And then you're like, 'Okay.' And so if you're not— it doesn't work for everybody. Some people can't handle that heat. I love it. I'm like, 'This is awesome. Let's do— let's— what is it?

Okay, let's go.' So meaning he wants you to improvise? He wants you to talk like a real person?

It's not necessarily that it's, it's improvising. It's more he's seeing the movie. He's wearing multiple hats, so he's seeing the movie, what he's already shot, and then he's like, I actually don't want that scene. I want him to say this and this. He kind of like is molding the movie in real time, in real time. And then what he'll do is he'll go back to his trailer. They have like a blacked-out trailer, and they'll watch the movie, and he'll— they'll radio in and say, hey, say it like this, or do it like this, or do, you know, do it one more time. So he's kind of like watching the movie as as an audience member. It's really interesting.

Is he the only one you know that does it that way?

Yes, 100%. And then you have guys like my dad who would never do that. They would— they wouldn't even— they're just— they're like right there just going, okay.

Have you heard Matt Damon's story?

I'm— which one?

Matt Damon was working with your dad, and he did a take, and, and he liked it, but he wanted to do it again. Because we do it again, Clint's like, no, we got We got it. Yeah, he's like, but I've been fucking working forever on this thing. I want one more go at it. He's like, we got it.

Yeah, and he probably said something like, well, if you want to waste everyone's time, sure. And then Matt's like, no, no, no, no, no, we're good, we're good, we're good, we're good.

Oh, so funny. Yeah, it's so funny. Yeah, um, whatever Guy Ritchie's process is it works.

It works.

His fucking shows, his movies are some of my all-time favorites, right from the beginning, right from Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels and Snatched. Holy shit, his movies are so good. And he really did such a fantastic job of almost like, uh, he's like the benchmark for that genre of like British crime genre. Yes, that's him.

That's him.

That's the— you think of British crime drama. Oh, Guy Ritchie. Guy Ritchie movie. Like, there's this dude, his name is Lee Murray. Lee Murray, he was a UFC fighter. He was famous in London, in England, for being like a street fighter and this crazy guy who was fighting in MMA at a really high level, like won in the UFC, and then was a part of the biggest armed robbery in the history of the UK.

No way.

Oh yeah, this guy was a full-on psycho. He was a gangster. Oh, full gangster. He was such a gangster that he got stabbed in the heart in a street fight, and they made a video of him hitting mitts 6 weeks later. 6 weeks later, he's back in the gym.

Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop.

It's—

he was a crazy person. I got to see him fight in real life. He actually knocked out a friend of mine.

So he got arrested for this crime?

Oh yeah. Oh, he's still in jail. He's still in jail. He'll be in jail for probably the rest of his life. They stole an enormous amount of money, and they did it like in a very high-tech, like, like, like the movie Heat, like that crazy. Yeah, like they had full masks on, armored fucking body armor, the whole deal. Yeah. And how much did they steal?

$53 million. Oh wow, $92 million.

The biggest— I think it's the biggest armed robbery in Britain's history.

And do they hurt people doing it?

They didn't hug him. They didn't help him. I don't know if he killed— no, I mean, I'm just wondering, like, if the largest peacetime cash robbery in world history.

Wow.

So it's worth $92 million, £53 million back then. So that was in 2006. So this is after he had been in the UFC. So I, you know, I called his fight in the UFC. I was doing commentary back then. They left over £150 million behind, £150 million, because they ran out of room in their transport vehicles.

Holy shit. How did they get caught?

Only about £21 million of the stolen cash has ever been recovered. So somebody made away with more than £30 million. So he flew to Morocco. Murray and several associates fled to Morocco because he held dual British-Moroccan citizenship, and Morocco did not have an extradition treaty with the UK. He evaded British authorities. Moroccan police arrested Murray in June of 2006 in a shopping mall and Rabat following an international manhunt. Instead of being extradited, he was tried in Morocco. After initially being sentenced to 10 years, Moroccan appeals court extended his sentence to 25 years in prison for his role in forming a criminal gang, kidnapping, and armed robbery. So like, when this guy got arrested, when everyone hears the story, everybody was saying that guy's got to be a Guy Ritchie movie. Yeah, like, that's, that's how much Guy Ritchie has like locked down that genre. And I think there was some talk— is there talk about Guy Ritchie doing a movie on the Lee Murray heist?

Something came out in Chasing Lightning.

He came out early?

No, no, no, he didn't make that, but something came out.

It's like a miniseries about it.

Oh, about the heist. But has Guy Ritchie been connected to a movie about it? Because I know a bunch of people were talking about it, saying like, yeah, has to be a Guy Ritchie movie. Like, if you're gonna really capture who this guy was— yeah, he was a real nut, like a real, like, world-class fighter.

Who would play him? Like, give me the— cuz I don't know what he looks like.

Jason Statham could probably nail it.

Okay, yeah, there it is.

He's perfect.

Cast already.

Yeah, I mean, he doesn't have the hair for it, but because Lee Murray had a full head of hair, but it doesn't matter.

It's been a rumor for a long time, but he instead did a true crime docu-series called Diamond Heist instead. This is like a similar story, but it's not the same story at all.

Oh, okay. The story itself is so bananas. It's just the fact that this guy was this world-class MMA fighter. Yeah, who was also a robber, like a high-level— yeah, bank robber.

I mean, you don't steal like $90 million without—

do they have footage of that robbery? Is there video footage of it? I feel like there's security footage of it, and they look nuts. Nuts. I mean, it looks like a movie. Like, you know, they had—

it might be—

fucking masks on, everything, the whole deal. It's just that when you think about that kind of a guy and that kind of a story, I mean, that is right up Guy Ritchie's alley. He's like— that show Mobland, God, that show's so good.

It's good.

It's good.

So good.

It's good.

It's so good. It's so like— it's like a movie that's like 7 hours long or however many episodes are.

It's great.

It really is great.

Who is your— who is— do you have a favorite guy that you've worked with?

He's got to be— I mean, he's— yeah, if him— I got to, you know, I got to work with Oliver Stone.

Oh, that's awesome.

Which is like, you know, like sitting with the devil.

Iconic man.

George Tillman Jr. is a great director.

I don't know if you remember that movie Men of Honor.

Yeah.

Yes, remember with Cuba Gooding Jr.? Oh sure, he's a great director.

There's a lot of—

there's—

I've gotten to, you know, work with some really cool— David Ayer's really interesting. That guy's a tough—

he—

I don't know if you know his story, but he was— he's had a really dark past, but he was essentially— he lived on a submarine for like 2 years, like underwater.

Whoa.

Yeah, he's—

I'm like, you got some screws loose if you lived on a submarine submarine for 2 years.

Underwater for 2 years will fuck you up for 200 years.

I know, I'm just thinking about getting out, how claustrophobic you could get. Like, I gotta get out of this thing, get me out!

You're squashing that part of your brain way too long. Yeah, I could do that for an hour.

Oh, I don't even know if I want— I don't even know if I want to get in a submarine after I watched the, um, the tin can they just exploded.

Oh, those people?

Oh yeah, I was like, oh, that's That's not wise.

When you watch the recreations of what must have happened to them, they were just liquefied instantaneously by the pressure of the ocean. That'd be a good way to go. Maybe better than a shark.

Quick.

It's like that.

Yeah, but then people are talking about you like you're an idiot. Like, you got in that stupid tin can?

You're a billionaire idiot. Even worse.

I can't go down like that.

Think about all these fucking people that would love to have a— just a piece of your money so they could go have a margarita on the beach somewhere.

Be great.

I'm gonna go to the bottom of the ocean and tell everybody I looked through a tiny window. Fuck you. Well, I had, you know, a conversation with Cameron, and Cameron went— James Cameron went to the bottom of the fucking ocean by himself.

No, no, that's not— there's so much wrong with that.

Even the bottom of the Mariana Trench, right? Like, I think he's the— he holds the world record for like single-pilot a submarine vehicle, the deepest depths? Like, no.

And I also, I feel the same way about space, you know. I'm like, I'm a big Musk fan, but I don't have any desire, bro, to go to Mars or go to space.

How about that, bro?

Have fun, you do that.

Yeah, okay.

I'm all good here on this planet.

It must be awesome to be just— I would like to be in Earth's orbit once just to look down.

I bet it's nice. Like the full Earth.

That'd be cool.

They say you have that experience, like all these different astronauts have talked about it. It's the overview effect that you, when you're above Earth looking down on it, it just, you like, oh my God, we're so fragile. It's all just us together. We have to stop. We stop all this. Like, you have this realization of what we really are and what we're really doing and how stupid tribal conflicts are.

And like, well, I mean, yeah, we're World War. Yeah, this, this, uh, yeah, we just keep repeating the same cycle. It's sad, actually. It's, it's, it's sad because eventually it'll probably happen again, a world war. I mean, that's the— like, if you look at the math, it's kind of happening right now. It's like, what's going on, man? Are we gonna keep doing this? I guess that's what we're doing.

It's very disturbing when you're playing a character actor in a period piece like that. What do you have to do in terms of like make sure you're behaving like they behaved and talking like they talked? Like, did you have to watch film of those old people?

And you talk to a lot of people. In this case, this movie, you know, was about— geez, the guys are, you know, most all passed away at this point. But I luckily got, got to meet a lot of veterans because I've done 20 years of doing a few war movies. So I've gotten to meet these folks and talk to them and hear their stories, see like sometimes the pain in their eyes when they tell these stories. And you realize, you realize the gravity of what they're carrying and what they did for the world. There's so many heroes in World War to, you know, so many people that did so many things that affect like our way of life. I mean, in effect, a lot of the world's way of life. I mean, all of France and most of Europe isn't speaking German because of what happened. And so you carry like that weight with you. It's— it can be— if it's a real— if it's, you know, you know the person, you can watch tape on them, then you get it, you get that like luxury. But if you don't then, you know, it's just— I think it's about carrying that weight and just trying to be as true as you can.

That it comes with a cost doing, doing these movies, because not only you go and make them, but then you go and promote them, and you meet these people. I met one of the oldest living veterans the other night at, at the Washington Archives in DC, 107 years old.

Whoa.

Colonel Stern.

And got to hold his hand, you know, and really quite clear, still-headed. Like, I mean, like, shockingly, when he spoke to me, I was like, oh my gosh. But you could feel that generation, that you could feel that what he had been through. He was, he was actually at the Battle of the Bulge.

Whoa.

And you're like, oh. And then to have him tell us, like, we got it right, and that's what it like, you know, but like brought me to tears.

I was like, I was like kind of like, I was shook.

So moments like that, it comes, you know, it's like, wow, this is, this is a great responsibility to tell this story.

Now I can imagine having a conversation with a 170-year-old guy who's been through war, and the war was what, how many years ago?

1942.

What is that?

How many years ago was that?

So he would probably have been 20. Yes. So right, he would been like? '84.

Yeah, '84 years ago.

Yeah.

And it's still the most probably impactful thing that ever happened in his life. Imagine that. Imagine you're 107 years old and your life is kind of defined by something that happened 84 years ago.

Yeah. Yeah, it's, uh, it's, it's, it's wild what they went through. I mean, wild. And imagine, I mean, if they're like Hey, pack up, Joe. Scott, like, we're, we're going to wherever it is. Like, I don't know, wherever we're going right now, and we're gonna have to kill people.

And imagine the information you're getting. What are you getting, like newspaper articles and a radio broadcast? Yeah. What do you read? A battalion commander during World War II, Stern. His name was Senator Radcliffe What is his name? Herbert Irving Stern, that's his name. So it says, a battalion commander during World War II, Stern was awarded the Silver Star medal during the Battle of the Bulge for his actions. In April 1945, while driving through Germany, Stern and his men discovered a concentration camp with 3,000 Jewish women. They liberated the camp, providing immediate relief to the prisoners, and destroyed the facility.

Isn't that amazing? Like, we have to celebrate these people, you know.

Like, can you imagine you're overseas, you're, you're, you're a kid, it's 1945, and you, you liberated a camp of 3,000 Jewish women that are being imprisoned.

Yeah, it gives me chills just thinking about it.

Holy shit, man.

Yeah, 35 years old, 34 years old.

You imagine we could see what that guy's seen?

I mean, I don't know if we want to. I mean, that would change your whole— change your whole world, like, look on the world, man.

I mean, but you have to think that way, right?

When you're—

when you're playing these guys, you have to almost put yourself in their head. How hard is that? Like, what is that like?

It just—

it comes with— like I said, it comes with a cost. You, you go through an emotional journey. You, you pay a price. You have to lend your own emotion and own grief and whatever that is in your life, and you have to kind of relive some of that. And it's, it's part of, you know, going through what it would have been like to see some of these atrocities, to see what it's like to lose your best friend right beside you, to lose people that are, you know, to see a concentration camp full of women that are, you know, probably skin and bones. And like, it's just, you know, makes you just so— it makes me so grateful for what we have and where we're at.

It's also the human's capacity for evil. When you're faced with it like that, it's, it's so disturbing that people are capable of doing things like that, and that they still are, that they're still— I mean, to this day, right, right now, somewhere in the world, there's human beings committing atrocities and killing people.

I know, it's, it's brutal.

Brutal.

It's brutal to think how savage we can become. Like, it's— and it's crazy because, like, you think about it, it's like we're not far off. You take water away for 72 hours and we're dead.

Yeah.

So how quickly do we turn savage fighting each other if we don't have basic needs?

Oh yeah, the civilization is a very thin veneer. Yeah, it's very thin. In, and it's very vulnerable. And I think most people are delusional and they're very well fed, very well fed and rested, and they don't have any idea how precarious this thing that we exist in is. I think when you're— I would imagine when you're doing a World War II film or something like that, like, you're forced to realize, you're forced to encounter that reality of the human condition that sometimes I mean, throughout history, that's kind of the defining moments of our past. When you think about the history of the world, really you're talking about the history of war. You're talking about the history of war and conquests, invasions and conquests. It's like the most of what we talk about when we talk about history. You know, we talk about the various wars and what happened, what was the result and who was the king and who did this.

What was it over? Greed? Yeah. This war was— is really, I think, I think why it's so fascinating, why World War II is still so fascinating, is because there is no ambiguity between right and wrong in that war, really.

Right.

What they were doing in Nazi Germany was terrifying, you know. They were exterminating innocent people, and we came together as a world, you know, coalition and fought that evil. And that is very different than a war like Vietnam where we're like, why are we here? Or, you know, you're questioning what— what is this, just a politically motivated thing? No, this was like— this was to save people. Yeah, that is— that's very different.

Yeah, we think of that as our last great war. That is the— the World War II, in most people's eyes, is the last just war.

War.

Yeah, you know, we think it's like that's the one that needed to be done because it wasn't just evil people, it was evil people on meth, which is really crazy when you— when we— I didn't know that until like a decade or two ago. Yeah, that they were all on meth. And then we had Norman Ohl. He wrote— how do I say his last name?

Ohl.

Ohl. He wrote this book Blitzed, and it's all about the Blitzkrieg when they went through Luxembourg, the Netherlands, and Poland in like 3 days. Days. Yeah, and it was all meth. They just gave them meth.

Yeah, that was in the beginning of the war.

Yeah, yeah, they had like 35 million doses of meth.

Nuts, man. That is nuts.

And they gave the guys at the front of the lines the most meth. The guys in the tanks, like, you guys get the most meth. They wanted them just messed up, cracked up, just driving for 3 days killing everybody they see. And then when they ran into the people in France, they were all drinking wine, so like they're all chilling and how— like, they got just got fucked up, man. Yeah, it's just— it's not that long ago. That's what's really scary.

It is. It's super scary. Also, what's— what was crazy about this movie, and, and, you know, I just— I learned something new every time I do a war movie. I didn't realize there were German Americans living in America, like, live— had a life here. And when the war kicked off there was a lot of them that went back to Germany and fought for Germany. Whoa, you imagine that? How many? Like, like thousands. Whoa, I went back and like, you know, and then they were spies and they were— they— a lot of them spoke English, a lot of had the American culture, you know, they understood and they became like spies. And it was like, can you imagine doing that?

Fuck.

Fuck.

Yeah, imagine giving up on America to go back to fight for Germany. What? Like, hey, hey, hey, settle down.

Hold on, hold the phone.

Don't you know this spot is better? You should be fighting for this, you fucking dumbass. Yeah, yeah, the people that are willing to do that, that's a That's a different kind of brainwashing.

Yeah, I mean, you know, makes me think about some of the brainwashing we have nowadays, like, and you kind of think like, oh, like, you know, there's a lot of conspiracy theory stuff, and I'm not— I'm not a lot, but I do see— and we were talking about it today— it's like, how strong is the government to like brainwash, you know, the MKUltra stuff, like the stuff where it's like you get like a patsy or get someone to do something that you want them to do— kill somebody, whatever. Yeah, that's like really terrifying. Yeah, I think you're your own thoughts and emotions.

But also, if you find someone who's vulnerable, you can coax them slowly but surely into becoming a different person. You give them a purpose, you give them a direction. Yeah, you can— I mean, they've done it before. It's not— they didn't stop doing it in the 1960s. That guy who tried to shoot Trump, he was probably a product of that. Yeah, if I had to guess, by some organization. I'm not saying it's the American intelligence agencies, but someone talked that young kid into getting on that roof and trying to shoot Trump. Someone, you know, someone gave him direction. Someone who just did— his background is too squeaky clean after it's over over. They professionally scrubbed his apartment. His apartment was professionally scrubbed. There was no silverware in his apartment when they went to examine it. All of his hard drives are gone. All of his computers were gone. He had more than one cell phone, which is very odd for a 20-year-old kid, and had no social media profile. The whole thing was fucked.

Can you explain to me the, the theories going on with like the Charlie Kirk of it all? Because I know there's— I've heard a lot of like stuff and a a lot of smart people that I like respect, like, there's something going on with that that we don't know the full—

well, there's something going on with the guy being able to climb on top of that roof with a gun, dismantle it, put it back together again, and then dismantle it again and put it back together again. Like, the whole thing makes no sense. They think they have footage of him in a backpack, so— but a backpack doesn't carry a gun. And so the excuse was, oh, he dismantled the gun, then reconnected it. Well, that doesn't fly. So the problem with that is anybody who knows anything about guns knows that you take a scope off a gun, you take the barrel off the gun, you take the stock off the gun, you take— you got to put it all back together again. You might not be on anymore, so you're gonna have to— you're gonna have to sight that gun in, right? And if you can sight that gun in, you're gonna want to have targets to practice on. You're not just gonna take a 140-yard shot or whatever it was where he shot Charlie Kirk, not knowing if your sight is on. Because you— I, I was hunting once and I fell with my rifle, and we went back to the range to test it, and it was off on a— so when you're shooting on a block, so you're not moving at all, all you're doing is pulling the trigger.

So it's just to make sure that the gun is on. It was off by 6 inches at 100 yards just by moving from a fall, you know. And so you have to check that, and then you have to sight the gun back in. You take a— you just take the scope off and then you put it back on and screw it back together again. There's no guarantee that that thing's gonna be accurate. And this kid's not like a marksman. He's just not like he's got a ton of experience shooting people and shooting at a distance. The whole thing is— it's gross. The whole thing sounds gross. The text messages between him and his boyfriend or whatever it is where, you know, he's saying how he did it or he's gonna do it, they seem like AI made them. It seems crazy. And then there's also the fact that there was footage of him in a yogurt shop. Is that verified, the footage that was in a yogurt shop that was like 20 minutes later? The guy, the guy's just chilling at some fucking frozen yogurt store. That seems weird.

What about this stuff with like the, the people that were like right around the shooting and stuff? And like, is there like some weird—

well, there's a lot of people that think that's on the that someone— some of them were signaling for the shot to happen at a certain time. That's a lot of bullshit. Seems like speculation to me because, you know, people move around all the time. People are in the crowd. If I was standing there and I went like this, and at that moment someone got shot—

okay, now we're making a mountain out of them.

Yeah, right. Or if you look at your watch at a certain point, that— and that person gets shot, like, a lot of movements going on. You could attribute that movement to someone signaling. To me, what's weird is the actual wound itself. So a .30-06— exit wound versus an— well, it does— it's not a big enough hole. .30-06 is a big rifle round, and to shoot a guy in the neck with a .30-06, you would expect— first of all, you'd expect an exit wound, and there's no exit wound. It just goes in, and it looks like a smaller hole. It doesn't look like the kind of hole hole that I would expect from a large rifle round. I would expect it to just blow a giant chunk of his neck right off. That's a— that's a round that you would shoot an elk with. It's a big round. And then there's video footage of him from the back, and it doesn't look like there's an exit. There's no exit. So it just goes in his neck and stops.

The details about him being at Dairy Queen are very weird. It seems like he was at a Dairy Queen, but they don't know which one. And the one they thought he was at closed down weirdly a couple of weeks afterwards.

Okay, but he was— there is footage of him at a Dairy Queen.

Yeah, just which one it was and when it was.

Okay, either way, after you shoot Charlie Kirk, do you really go to a fucking Dairy Queen like this?

Before, they're saying too.

Oh, good. I mean, yeah, right before you go to— he's trying to get in and out. You know, them Blizzards got a lot of caffeine in it. Um, I think it's also weird that we haven't heard him talk. He hasn't taken the stand. Um, there's discrepancies between whether or not his family turned him in or whether or not he said he confessed to his family. You know, I don't know what they're saying now.

He hasn't even— there is an update as of June 12th in a hearing, and this article says there hasn't been a plea entered yet.

That's crazy. Prosecutors intend to seek the death penalty if Robinson is convicted. He has not yet entered a plea. How is that— happened in September How has he not yet entered a plea?

Is that like—

this is good. They're going over details about—

keep you in limbo.

The prosecution going on public talking about the bullet fragment found, and defense is saying they shouldn't have done that. There's a whole back and forth about that. Hmm.

I don't know. I don't pretend to know, but it just feels like there's a lot of stuff. I'm sure, like you said, there's some bullshit where people are gonna go, ah, you see, look, and you're like, okay, Come on, Tucker Carlson was just talking about it and he thinks that Israel killed him.

He thinks Israel killed Charlie Kirk. And then a lot of people saying that's ridiculous. And then how many people are getting paid by Israel to run cover and how many people are just saying that Israel did it without real evidence? I don't know. But he was critical of Israel apparently in text messages and saying that he was going to get out of the Israel supporting business.

Mm-hmm.

I don't know what that means. You know, I don't— okay, because apparently there was also a long letter that he wrote to Netanyahu. He's expressing his support for Israel. And so is that real? I don't know.

It's so hard these days to just—

and just like, nothing is 100% real. Yeah, if it's a major news story involving anything significant, at least some of it's bullshit. And yeah, so we're all just sitting here wondering, did this kid really shoot Charlie Kirk because because of his position on trans people? Is that really what we're supposed to believe? He was in love with a trans man— or a trans woman, rather— and so he shot Charlie Kirk because of that?

Really?

Do you think, like, younger people though have, like, a bigger distrust in the media? I feel like now— I feel like that's— it's changing. So it's maybe for the best.

Yeah, for sure. But I mean, this isn't even the media. This is the government, you know. This is the official position. Like, they paved over the crime scene, like, within days afterwards.

That's weird.

Yeah, but there's a lot of weird shit, man. The Thomas Crooks thing— they cremated him within days after he was killed. You know, where's the toxicology examination? Where's the— where's the results? I want to know what kind of psych medication this fucking kid was on. Like, what was he doing? Like, what was happening? Why did he shoot at the president? Why did he kill people in the crowd? Like, what the fuck is going on? And, you know, we don't ever get total You know, this Tyler Robbins thing is a weird one, man. It's weird. Just the gun itself alone. I've heard varying depictions. Getting on that fucking roof with a gun, going through the stairwell with a gun. He doesn't have the gun, so did he get the gun up there already? So they're saying it's in the backpack. No, it's not. Doesn't fit in the backpack. Well, maybe there's a stock, maybe the barrel's in his legs. He taped it to his pants. Fuck off. Fuck off. You can't put a gun back together again and make it that accurate. Accurate. I don't believe that. And then he took it apart and then jumped off the roof with it and then put it back together again in the woods.

Is that what they're saying? I don't know if that's exactly— that's some version of it, but any version of it where this guy under a high-stress, high-adrenaline situation is taking apart a gun and putting it back together again— fuck off. Fuck off. Like, I don't believe that.

Yeah, especially someone untrained.

Yeah. Out of. And he jumped off the roof afterwards and escaped.

Like, okay. The thing with— which one is this? This is the first shooting, the professionally scrubbed apartment. Mm-hmm. That's a weird detail that doesn't seem to have accuracy.

It says right here, July 24th, 2024, House Homeland Security Committee hearing. Rep. Eli Crane said he had received information that Crook's house was scrubbed, cleaned, and even silverware removed moved before investigative units arrived. Crane entered the article making the allegation into record and from there professionally scrubbed and no silverware talking points spread through blogs, forums, ex-posts, and podcasts. What officials have said: when Crane asked Pennsylvania State Commissioner, uh, Colonel Christopher Paris whether the home had been extremely clean or missing silverware, Paris implied that he had not been given any such details in his briefing.

But see, this is why I like—

says he lived with his parents.

This is what I like though. You're fact-checking yourself. And I think this is super important because people start— no matter what we're talking about, people start regurgitating their own narrative.

Mm-hmm.

And it's like, no, no, hold on. I could be wrong. And let's fact-check. Maybe, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm not wrong.

So he was living with his primary residence. It says was his parents' single-family home. Did he have his own apartment? He had a separate apartment.

Said he didn't.

It said he didn't, but it says primary residence. Well, I mean, that's what you call it, but it says not in his own separate apartment. Does that mean he didn't have a separate apartment?

That's the question. Did he have his own apartment or whatever? What about the apartment?

Oh, I see, I see. So I gave you that response, right? Uh, the house and surrounding streets were searched and cordoned off by federal agents and bomb squads after the assassination attempt, and investigators reported finding bomb-making materials there. Oh boy. So in case it didn't work out with the gun, he had a bomb. Did he think he was gonna make it off the roof? I wonder what he thought. Thought he'd shoot the president, just jump away, no one's gonna notice. Like, they got snipers all over the place. They took that guy out the moment he shot him. I wonder if someone talked him into doing it and convinced him that they had a way to get him out of there.

Yes, that's the scary thing, right?

Yeah, the mind control like, like you said, you know, especially if they're giving him drugs. That's my point about the toxicology examination. So a lot of people were very concerned they cremated him right away, because if you got a hold of the toxicology examination and you found out that there were some drugs in there that they give people to influence them, like maybe the— maybe LSD in his system, maybe had something else, and some other psychiatric medications in your system that you would say, well, why was he given this? This, you know? Is this something that we've done when we're working on mind control experiments? Have we given people these things?

Yeah.

Are we still doing that? There was also metadata that connected a phone from, uh, DC to his house, from like Virginia, outside the FBI area, where the FBI offices are, back and forth to this guy's house multiple times. Metadata from a phone. I can't say whose phone, who knows. Probably nothing.

Or don't they know?

I mean, he's also in a BlackRock commercial.

If you want to find out whose phone that is, they got— like, people can find out.

I would imagine, right? Yeah, it's all weird. Yeah, it's not— I mean, look, there's probably a lot of people before the election that wanted Trump dead. Fill in the blank who you think it might be, but most likely somebody got a kid to try to do it, and he didn't pull it off, but he came close.

Scary, man.

And then there's the real dummies who think it's staged, which is so crazy. Oh, that—

I've heard that. I was hearing that.

They let him nick his ear with a bullet.

What?

Do you know how dumb that sounds? You have no idea about shooting things at distance. There's no way.

Like, it's performative. So we can— like, what?

There's not a fucking chance in hell that you can nick someone's ear with a bullet at that distance and be that accurate. You can easily blow half their fucking head get off, you know.

And, and like, what, so like they're gonna take that risk to run that performative?

And what happens if they kill the people behind them?

Yeah, because someone got shot, right?

One guy died. At least one person died. Another guy got shot really badly. And two other people I think are suing now. They're suing the government for negligence because of that shooting. Yeah, because they're permanently injured because they got shot. Wow. Yeah. And the whole— the fucking— the whole thing where the lady who's the head of the Secret Service was saying that they couldn't put anybody on that roof because the slope was too steep. Like, what? And that didn't even make sense because this— the slope of the building where the snipers were on was steeper. Made no sense. So it's almost like it was set up so that that kid could get up on that roof and take a shot.

I mean, look, it seems like the powers that be are pulling some strings. That's all I'm saying. Always, you know what I mean? They're pulling strings. If you're not playing by their rules, you're not kissing the ring. Kind of Hollywood's the same way, you know what I mean? Hollywood is like, there's a lot of that bullshit. There's a lot of that bullshit, a lot of that like kiss the ring and things. You're like, nah, I ain't gonna do that, you know? You know, it's like, nah, yeah, you let— you know, it's like, like you said, how bad you want to be Batman? How bad you want to be Batman? If it cost me my soul, maybe. Yeah, maybe I'm Good.

Well, good for you, dude. Good for you. You've achieved a nice balance in your life and work relationship, and I think that's very important, you know. And like I always tell people, like, he's like the normalist guy, you know, like the normalist guy that's a movie star, like, that I know. Like, every time I'm like, I've introduced you to people, they're like, who is he? That's Scott Eastwood. Like, what? That's Clint Eastwood's son? It's like, like, he should— he's so normal.

There's a lot of normal people though. There's some great ones.

Oh yeah, you know, there's some great ones, but they're few and far between. Dude, Matt Damon and Ben Affleck are fucking super normal. Yeah, they're like regular guys when you talk to them. They managed to keep their— as hard as it is, yeah, keep whoever it is that's them, they, they're still that. Yeah, so kudos to them. Kudos to you. And thanks for these vitamins. Yeah, I'm gonna take them. I'll tell you what's up.

Tell me what's up.

They suck. I'm gonna tell you that. I'm sure they're great. Uh, North Performance, that's what it's called.

There we go, baby.

And your movie, one more time?

Lucky Strike, out tomorrow.

Out tomorrow.

Beautiful.

It's perfect timing, 250 years, celebrate the— yes, our veterans.

Yes, yes. Um, good luck with that.

Thank you.

Congratulations on everything. All right, bye everybody.