Transcript of #2520 - Tommy Lee New

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Hey dude, good to see you, man.

Yeah, good to see you too.

What's cracking? You got a diamond in your tooth, is that what's going on? Yeah, nice. Yeah, nice.

That's fun.

My friend Cam just got a gold tooth. And I was giving them a hard time, but then I was like, damn, I think I want one.

Yeah, you gotta get one, dude.

I'm thinking of getting a gold tooth. I have a cap on one of my— I had a root canal, I've got a cap on one of them. I think I'm gonna swap it out for a gold tooth.

Do it, do it.

Fuck yeah.

Yeah, fuck yeah. I got one back here somewhere. It's just that little, like, I don't know, that little pirate thing starts to happen.

I know, it's just a little outcasty.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So what's cracking, brother? How you doing?

I'm good, man. I'm stoked to be here to see you.

Stoked to have you here.

Yeah, man. Shit, I wish I was staying longer now, but we'll make the best of it.

How long you staying? How long you in town for?

I'm leaving after—

Right after this?

After you, yeah.

Where you headed?

Back home, LA. My son is getting married.

Oh, congratulations.

Thanks, thanks. Which is such a trip, dude. You know, like, he's 29 and he's getting married, and I'm just— I've been kind of tripping out on that. Like, dude, where the fuck did that time, eh, go, right? And like, I'm so fucking happy for him that he's been seeing this girl for 7 years. I'm so proud that he did exactly the opposite of his dad. You know what I mean?

Like, right, right.

He knows. And they're in love. They've been basically— they've been married, you know, so they're just making it official now. And I'm just so happy for him. Like, I'm— I tell him all the time, like, so happy for you, dude. Like, you, you know, you, you use some patience and some love and like mix it all around and put some time in there. And you know, shit's like, your survival rate is going to be way better, way better. And that makes me really happy.

And your happiness rate. I think if you're a kid and your dad is Tommy Lee and you've had such a fucking crazy, chaotic life, he's probably like, slow down, give me a fucking yard and a picket fence. And whoa, totally, totally.

That's why, like, you know, in, you know, in the drift of everything, Yeah, really surprised. And I'm really happy he just like pumped the brakes.

That's awesome.

Like, make sure that what he's doing is the real shit.

Yeah. I mean, especially in LA with a rock star dad, it's like there's so many bad influences. There's so many ways you could go where you could just ruin your fucking life. It's so easy to ruin your life if you're in the wrong circles, dude. So easy, right? Because everybody else is doing it too. You're like, hey, I guess we're doing meth.

Yeah, I know. Fuck.

Fucking just— I mean, I know people that are good people that have fallen down that rabbit hole, and they're not bad people. They're not even stupid, man. They just made a bad decision for whatever reason, and then next thing you know, they're all strung out. And it's like LA is the hub of that. Yeah, there's so much of that going on in LA.

Yeah, and if you are— have any sort of that sort of shit magnet attached to you. Yeah. Like, you know, the shady friends and the weird circles you just connect to. Yeah, of course. And all of a sudden you're just fucking, oh.

I mean, I don't live in the rock and roll world, but I think that's probably the most attractive to like crazy people, like that world. That is the world where if you're a fucking kook, like you gravitate towards that world, you know? It's probably so hard to find like sane, balanced people. That are, you know, that have their shit together. It's like, it's almost impossible. So like, you're just comparing yourself to the other chaotic people you're around. And you're the fucking drummer in Mötley Crüe. I mean, how are you supposed to be normal? What the fuck are you talking about? What kind of life is that? That's such a bizarre life. It's the craziest life of all time. You're fucking slamming the drums on stage in front of literally a sea of human beings singing along to your music. Nobody can understand that.

I know, man. Yeah, they've— and yeah, they've seen it all. They've seen it all. Like, I put them to work out on tour, you know, just so, you know, we could hang out and spend time. They're like, you know, get them a radio. All of a sudden, they're part— one of my sons is part of the lighting crew helping those guys. My other son is like, all he's worried— all he wants to know about is like Dad, I want to be in charge of all the after-show passes. I'll go out while you're playing and I'm going to hit all the chicks. And like, my son is out there just, just stack of passes. Come on back afterwards. Come on back. You know, and then watching him like have just, just running it, right? It just like brings a tear to my eye, man.

Oh, that's cool. That's very cool. When you look back, like, how much of a dream does it feel? I mean, it's got to feel very bizarre that you, you know, every young guy who plays music wants to be in a gigantic band. They all want to be rock stars. And when it actually happens for you and you're looking back on it, like, how fucking surreal does it all feel?

It's— dude, I pinch myself still daily. Literally, and I'm, I'm just fucking, I don't know, man. I'm just lucky to be here. I'm lucky I get to do this. I always say to people, like, there's a, there's a couple of things that are involved with that whole thing. There's some luck, some talent, timing of things, and when those things kind of all line up, and it happens for you and it just happens at fucking supersonic speeds where like a lot of it's a fucking blur, like a ton of it's a blur where you have to have somebody else like remind you, you're like, oh shit, that's right. I totally forgot we did that. You know, like about Crazy Times.

Yeah.

Yeah. It's a trip, dude. I spend a lot of time like Hangin' on, right? Fuck, here we go.

Did you get a chance, like, when you were coming up to talk to any other rock stars? Did anybody give you advice on how to handle things? Like what? It's how weird it's going to be?

No, I'm trying to think of any sort of a mentor kind of dude on like how to survive the shit.

Like, no, pull Keith Richards aside and say, hey man, how about a few tips? Yeah, I should do this. He's still here, bro. I saw them at COTA at the Circuit of the Americas. A couple years back. They were fucking incredible, man. Incredible.

Insane.

They're like— what is— how old is Keith, dude? Are they like 80?

He's gotta be.

Mick is like 80, bro. Mick is moving around and dancing and singing.

Insane.

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Dude, and let me tell you a fun quick little story here. Mötley Crüe gets to open up for the Rolling Stones. This was on Halloween. I forget what fucking year. At some stadium, and I think it was Toronto. We got to open for them, and we were so fucking pumped. We're like, dude, are you kidding me? We get to fucking do this? Anyway, we play, we play our show. Back in the dressing room after we're done, the Stones' tour manager comes into the dressing room and goes, Tommy! I was like, yeah? He goes, He goes, Mick and Ronnie Keefe would like to see you. And I was like, rad. I fucking head over there and dude, this is 20 minutes before they're to go on. I go into their, their world and they got— they bring a bartender around with them. So there's a guy set up just slinging fucking drinks. Uh, Mick isn't hammered, but fucking Keith and Ronnie, dude, they were fucking walking on their lips.

I'm talking shitty, like, hey, fucking right, just falling over with their guitars 20 minutes before they go on stage.

I'm like, how are these guys gonna fuck? There's no way they're playing. I'm sorry, there's no way. No fucking way. And all of a sudden, we took a couple of photos and it was like, let's go to the stage. And I'm like, oh, I got to see this. I'm walking with them, right? They get up there, fucking lights go out. Boom. They fucking— I think they started with Start Me Up. Start me up. And it was like a switch flipped. All of a sudden, those guys were fucking money, like 100% fucking rocking out. I was like, how did they just go? They've been doing it for so long that they just— they're masters of the controls. They're like, yeah, okay, I guess we can get this amount of fucked up and then we can go. Like, it's okay.

I think some guys—

that was a crazy level.

Like, I wish I saw that.

You could barely talk and then they went up there and fucking ripped it.

I wish I saw that. Some guys just want to be fucked up to just feel the experience, just to just ride it like a pile bull, you know, just wherever you land. That's where some guys like to do it. I mean, and rock— I don't have to tell you, rock and roll music is the heart of that. That's where it really goes down, where a lot of guys like to get fucked up before they play. Yeah, you know, you want to see something fucking inspirational? I'm going to show you something crazy.

Always.

This is, uh, have you seen, Jamie, have you seen, uh, Rick Springfield lately?

I did just see him and I was like, whoa.

I'm going to send you a video and it's going to blow you away. This is literally bananas. This is Rick Springfield. Is he not fucking like 76 years old? Okay. 76, 76, 76. And he's singing Jesse's Girl like he just wrote it.

And he's fucking—

Yeah. Play it. Start it. Put the headphones on, bro. Put the headphones on and back this up from the beginning.

Oh.

Whoa, well, I just sent it to you on Instagram.

He's ripped.

I just can't get the— click on the other link then, the one that I sent you on Instagram, because you can't— first of all, he looks fucking incredible, like he's working out every day or something. I mean, I don't even understand it. He looks like a 30-year-old guy. Yeah, and he's singing the song like he just wrote it.

Bro, '76.

Yeah, dude, that's crazy.

Fuck. Amazing, man.

Amazing.

That's fucking inspirational.

Inspirational, bro. 76 years old, and the passion and enthusiasm is what kills me. This is not a guy who's like just going out there and going through the motions. He's singing that song like he just wrote it.

Yeah, totally.

Fuck yeah, Rick Springfield.

Yeah, good job, bro. Fuck yeah.

That's amazing. Yeah, I've been sending that to everybody. I'm like, fuck yeah.

That is— I saw that. I saw that clip and I was like, whoa.

A lot of people in their 76 are basically waiting to die. This dude's on stage with no shirt on, fucking crushing life.

Dude, I love it. I love it. That's gonna be me still 10 years from now. Fuck yeah.

Oh yeah.

Rocking shit.

Well, I remember in the '80s there were no old rock stars. Like, no one was out there touring that was an old rock star.

You're right. You're right.

And then the Stones released a new album. I think it was like '88 or '89. And everybody's like, wow, they're gonna tour again? It was almost like, aren't they done with this? Like, they're older now.

Yeah.

And then it started being a thing where a bunch of older guys would like go out on tour that hadn't been on tour in a while. And now it's not— and people like, why are we retiring? Like, why? Why would I stop doing the most amazing thing that a human being ever gets to do?

Yeah, that you love to do.

Yeah.

No, let me stop doing that.

It was like a thing with hip-hop artists too. They would get to an older age and people just didn't appreciate them anymore. It's like, it was like a young guys' game, but now a lot of those older guys are going on tour too, and people realize like, oh, these guys are fucking dope. Like, I saw Run-DMC went on— or excuse me, Public Enemy went on with, I think it was, I think it was Bruce Springsteen. I think Bruce Springsteen had them go up in one of his concerts. I'm like, fuck yeah, look at these dudes, they're killing it, they're still getting after it.

That's the best, man. You gotta love that. And I think that research— I don't know if you call it a resurgence or just that, that style of like, there's certain things that were, that were really great that have stood the test of time. And I, and I really think that the way shit is now, man, there is too fucking much. Like, there's too much music. Like Spotify releases like 300 fucking thousand songs a day.

Really?

Who the fuck is listening to all this music, dude? I'm in the business, and if I can't keep up, how can a fan of music keep up? So I just— I think that the, the excess of— it's just static, and it's really blown a hole through for you know, original stuff, you know, really good stuff, because a lot of the stuff is all kind of sounding the same now. But I just, I think that it's been a cool progression that's sort of fueled that. I don't know if I'm making sense. I'm kind of—

No, you're making sense.

You know what I'm trying to say? Yeah. There's so much static now that Um, the, the, the sort of the—

something has to be undeniable to break through.

The authentic stuff still fucking holds water. Yeah, big time.

And, you know, well, there's always like one song that all of a sudden resonates and just goes super viral because people listen to it, go, holy shit. Yeah, there's always going to be something that's exceptional. But I do agree, it's impossible. There's a lot of great music that I don't know anything about, and then someone turns me on to it and I'm like, how the fuck did I not know this guy?

Yeah, yeah. And had your friend not turned you on to that, you would never fucking know.

Well, there's no real radio anymore.

No, right?

So how do you find out? When I was a kid, when I was in high school, like, if a new Mötley Crüe song came out, it was on the fucking radio.

Yeah, right.

You knew, all right, the new album's out, let's go get the new album.

Yeah.

And that was with every major band. It was like, then you got MTV. MTV came along, oh, the music video's out, the album's out. But now it's like anyone can just put stuff up, you know, which is great.

Yeah, which is cool.

But it's also, it's, look, it's all overall positive because you have more artists and more people that are doing what they want to do.

Yeah.

More people that are making music, which is awesome. But like, it's the same thing with movies. Can you imagine if you had to watch every movie ever made? You'd have to be a million years old. You probably never finish it.

Exactly.

It's not enough hours in the day.

Yeah, it's the same, it's the same musically. What's happening musically, that's happening with everything entertainment-wise.

Yeah, yeah.

Films, television shows, there's an abundance of like, it's just too much. How do, how do people, I mean, people got these, you know, you know, you know, TV packages where they've got subscriptions, 4,000 different places, and you still can't find anything to watch. You're like, what the fuck is happening here, everybody? We gotta like Peel it back a little bit, make it a little easier here.

Well, there's so many options. It's almost like dating apps, right? Like, if someone— if some chick is chewing her food with her mouth open, like, swipe. Yeah, who's next? Yeah, like, people get— they don't get a chance to know anybody. And I think that's also the same thing with movies and TV shows. Yeah, because if you're watching Netflix, if you get bored for 3 seconds, you're like, fuck this movie, what else is on? Bip bip bip, you know? Okay, try this one. And you watch that for 10 minutes, not— fuck this. I would like to see their numbers of like how long people actually watch a a show or a movie on Netflix before they shut it off, I bet it's way different than in the past. I bet in the old days most people watched the movie to the end.

Sure.

I bet now it's like 20%.

Oh dude.

If that.

I'll bet, yeah. I'm just gonna say a little bit more.

If that, yeah. Everybody, it's short attention span life right now. It's very, very bad for ya.

Yeah, yeah.

Sometimes you gotta just take something in.

And that affects the people who create the stuff because you realize I'm dealing with a bunch of fucking 6-year-olds here. And if my shit isn't banging within the first— whether it's a movie or a song or whatever it is, whatever your art is, if it's not fucking ripping your face off and grabbing your attention within 3 or 4 seconds, you're next. Next.

Right. Exactly.

Next. And that's just the world we're in. So then that affects people who make the stuff. Because they really got to put the best shit up front quick or else you're going to lose everybody 100%. And that sucks.

Yeah, but they don't have to give in to that.

Nobody's got time for suspense or, you know, ah, fuck that.

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Yeah, right. Yeah, you're right.

Like, you know, it's like the most bizarre song ever.

Yeah, kind of drum solo-y, kind of.

Yeah. And then classically, Freebird. When Lynyrd Skynyrd released Freebird, they're like, no, no, this song takes way too long to get going. It's so long. It's like a 7-minute song. You got it. This is never gonna fly. Meanwhile, it's one of the greatest anthems in the history of the world, and perhaps the greatest guitar solo in the history of the fucking human race.

Right, right.

You know?

Yeah.

Freebird, when that dude gets going, you see it live and everybody's fucking— the whole fucking place is going off. Going bananas. It's one of the greatest guitar solos in the history of the fucking human race. And their record company was like, it's too long.

Yeah.

People don't have any attention span for this, guys.

God, even back then people were fucking hating.

Well, it's always the people that are the money people.

Yeah.

Because all they give a fuck about is money. And you're in the creative side of it. And the money people are just pimping out the creative side of it. And they're just trying to get you to suck as many dicks as they can because they want to buy a Rolls-Royce. So like, come on, suck that dick. Let's go.

Let's go.

And they don't give a fuck about you or your reputation because then they got fucking Nickelback over here and this guy over there. And there's always a new band they can push and pimp. Yeah, and so they just want to make the maximum amount of money possible, so they always have shitty advice because their advice is based on making money.

Yeah, yeah, and for that reason, when we were on Elektra Records, they were never allowed in the studio. No one from the label was ever allowed.

That's awesome.

We allowed them once and he came in and started making like making changes or suggesting edits and stuff. We're like, out!

Out.

Yeah, you'll get it when it's done here.

Oh God, so gross.

Yeah, dude. And here's some guy making those kind of calls who has no— not a musician, has no idea about what key the fucking song's in. All he knows is it's too long. Yeah, and we gotta get to it quicker.

Well, it's these people that have ego for no real reason. They're just kind of— they're just involved with other great creative people, and that's what they sell. That's their business, is to sell stuff that's awesome. And somehow or another, they think it makes them awesome.

Yeah, it's very weird.

Like, you know, Zach Bryan, he's got a great song called— I think it's Damn Cold Vampires or Cold Damn Vampires. It's a great fucking song about—

fucking tongue twister.

It's a great fucking song. It's about the music industry, and it's about these vampires. That are just sucking blood out of these artists. And there was a great song, a great line in the song, trying to make an empire of the things that you create. They're making an empire from other people's work. That's what they're doing. But they somehow or another think that they're responsible and that they have an insight. And they're, I'm good at my job, Tommy Lee. Let me tell you something, kid, I know music. And that drum solo, 14 seconds too long. I'm gonna tell you why. I'm gonna show you these statistics. Yes, we've got a guy, we got statistics, we got the best guy, the best statistics guy. He knows when people are— and when they get to this fucking part of the drum solo, they tune out, Tommy. We gotta stop them from tuning out.

Totally.

Because I want to get a Koenigsegg. I want to get one of them fucking $2 million cars. These cunts, they're just— they exist in every, every walk of life where one person is like, you know, the creative type that's not business-oriented and you need a business person. Yes. So the business people come in because they're good. Someone's got to sell it. You're not going to fucking sell it.

Yeah.

What are you going to do? You're going to make your own record company? You're going to hire your own executives and do your own promotion? Get the fuck out of here. Yeah, you can't.

Yeah.

So they come along and they get involved and they fuck it all up.

Yeah.

And how many guys have listened to them and ruined their careers because they listened to them?

Oh man.

You know the Billy Squire story? So Billy Squire— remind me, because I think Billy Squire was the shit when I was in high school. He had that song Lonely as the Night.

Oh my God, I love Billy Squire, dude.

The Stroke, he was fantastic. And he did one music video where it was like very effeminate. It was like really weird.

Oh, was it when it was— he's in his pajamas or something?

It was really weird, and everybody was like Nope.

Yeah, what is he doing?

Yeah, it was really weird. And to this day, I don't know if that was his idea or somebody else's idea. They just took a wild chance. Yeah, I don't know.

No one knows.

Pray to God it was his idea, because at least like he's creative, made a creative decision, didn't work out, whatever.

Yeah, fine.

But if someone tanked his career because they wanted him to act feminine in, in a song It was like very— the reaction was crazy because this guy was like a sex symbol. Yeah, he was like, you know, shirt down to his, you know, open up down to his pants. Yeah, he was a bad motherfucker on stage, singing his ass off.

Yeah, he's a star.

One music video tanked him.

I think it was My Kind of Lover. I think that was the song where—

see if you can find what the video was. This is it. Documentary someone made on Facebook. I found about it, about this whole thing.

Yeah, so like, this is it.

Yeah, so it was very weird.

Like, what song is it? Can you hear? I will.

Yeah. So it was somebody else's idea. Is that— that guy with the face? That guy with the face looks like the guy— looks like the guy that would tell you, give you fuck. Yeah, he's crawling around on his knees and his hands at his knees. Yeah, it was weird. It was very weird.

Fuck, what song was this?

You know, like, if he was like, like, look at this, look at him skipping around, and it was a very odd— that guy, that seems like the type of guy that would give you the bad advice.

Something Me Tonight is the name of the song.

I wanna—

fuck, I don't know.

I'll look up—

not familiar with that title.

Yeah, I don't know either, but I know— yeah, I guess that was it.

Remember that?

And everybody's like, nope. Yeah, that's a wrap. And that guy should have had like fucking 50 giant albums. That guy was amazing.

Yeah.

Such an incredible singer, man.

So rad.

Rock Me Tonight, 1984. Oh. I have to cut that out. Yeah, we'll cut that part out, but you can see him dancing around. Like, look at this.

Yeah.

Don't do that, buddy.

Yeah.

What is this?

He's like— Yeah, what?

Don't do that.

Yeah, we need you on the ground swarming around. Hopefully.

Hopefully it was his idea. Yeah, and he was just, you know— Oh my God, if this was somebody else's idea, like, I want you to be looser. I want you to be looser. I want you to be more free. I want you to be like, I wanna feel it. I wanna feel your vulnerable side. I want you on your hands and knees. I want you crawling. This is what I want you to do. I want you like this. Like you barely can crawl. Like you're having a hard time crawling. That's what girls like. Girls like a guy who struggles to crawl.

Yes, dude.

Oh my God, what did you do to him?

I know, I hope it was his idea.

Despite its major success, the song is sometimes associated with the end of his career as a singles musician due to the music video, which is described as one of the worst ever in a 2011 book, I Want My MTV: The Uncensored Story of the Music Video Revolution. Oh, shows Squire dancing around in a bed with pastel-colored satin sheets and wearing a pink tank top. Squire's concert ticket sales immediately declined, and he later fired his managers. He has accused Ortega of deceiving him and altering his original concept, which Ortega denies, while Squire remains steadfast that the video was solely responsible for the initial decline of his popularity. Other commentators are less certain. Well, I'm pretty certain. I remember it. I remember it. I remember kids in high school going, what the fuck, bro? Yeah, the fuck is Billy Squire doing, bro? That's just gay, bro, because Billy Squire was the man.

I mean, yeah.

He could have been another John Mellencamp. He could have been— he could have gone on forever for sure. Like, what the fuck, dude? '84, one song, one music video.

Insane. That is really crazy if you think about it.

Yeah, it's nuts. It's nuts. Well, that's the craziest thing about— we think about like the success of Mötley Crüe and bands like from your era, the fact that you guys endured for so long. Like, still to this day, bro, if I'm working out in the gym and Kickstart my Kickstart My Heart comes on, I swear to God I get stronger. Like, you get pumped, man. That's— that— that song's a drug.

Yeah, that one, man, I can't tell you how fun, how, how, um, rewarding that is to like sit back and like, I don't know, the Super Bowl's on and the fucking kickoff.

Oh dude, we got to cut it out, but I want to hear it. Throw Kickstart My Heart on.

We'll cut it—

we have to cut it out for you YouTube, otherwise we'll get docked with the fucking money people come involved. Meanwhile, we're just promoting music, goddamn it, with Tommy Lee, you motherfuckers.

Yeah, right.

But this is fucking here, this fucking song. Oh, is this live? Don't give me a live one, give me the actual one, bro. That was one of the most American songs that's ever been made, ever, ever. That song is fuel. Yeah, you know, that, that song is fucking fuel. If you were running in a race and you're thinking about quitting and that song comes on your headphones, you're like, let's fucking go, right? Fuckin' go! You know, like songs like that, they really do give you energy. They really are like a drug.

Yeah, they're definitely— they're injected.

Yeah, like changes your state, you know.

I love that one. Isn't that fucking wild, the power that music has? Like the right kind of song, you know, everybody's different, but there's nothing better than like They fucking— like, I get goosebumps, bro, if something comes along that just— and it gets inside you. Yeah, it's fucking infectious. And all of a sudden you're like, dude, it's taking over my whole body. I'm fucking tingling. Yeah, hair standing up. And you're like, what is that? Yeah, what the fuck is that? Like, I want to fucking bottle that up and try to recreate whatever that is.

Yeah, it's just an encapsulation of emotion with sound frequencies that just changes your physical state. It does something to you that's like— it's one of the most amazing creations that human beings have ever done. One of the, one of the most amazing accomplishments that human beings have ever done is to just make incredible music, because it's one of the things that it affects us in a way that like, they're like nothing else. And you can hear them over and over and over and over again. Like, a great joke is awesome the first time, but after you hear it the second time, it loses a little of its power. The third time, it gets a little boring. A great song, I could listen to that. Sometimes when I'm working out, I just put something on repeat. I'm like, I just want to hear this song, one song, over and over and over.

Wear the fucker out.

Wear that fucker out. I don't care. It's so good. I don't give a fuck. I just want to feel it. Let's fucking go. And every time it comes back on, fuck yeah, and we're back. You know, it's like it changes the frequency of your actual soul. Yes, your body gets moved by it. You feel different. You—

I want to ask you a question because you're into all this fucking crazy shit. I saw somewhere recently, and this just goes along with that feeling, euphoric feeling you get when the right notes or frequencies hit you. I saw that through sound certain frequencies. Like, some dude in China, some doctor in China, or is it Japan, is this close to healing fucking cancer through sound, through frequency. Really?

Have you seen any of this? I haven't seen it, but I wouldn't be surprised.

I wouldn't either, because, you know, it just fascinates me because because there is those frequencies out there that you know about them, 432, 432 Hz, you've heard about that stuff?

Explain to people so that—

Well, it's just, there's some weird, what do you call it, conspiracy theories about originally our music like Bach, Beethoven back in those days was tuned to 432 Hz. And this is the conspiracy bullshit part about it. At some point, and people say Hitler changed the tuning, the pitch of music, and now everything was raised to 440 instead of, you know, 432. Instead of 432, now it's at 440. It's, it's up and it's in— the frequency is more aggressive. And it was said that it was done to give the soldiers more fucking, you know, angst. And you crank this music.

Well, they were also given a meth.

Excuse me?

They were also given the meth.

Between meth and Kickstart My Heart.

Fucking so much of the Nazis. Heart would have been a real problem, dude. No, no, Kickstart My Heart in German.

Yeah. Oh my Lord.

Yeah, that would have been a real problem.

Yeah, I'm just curious because I know that you're into that kind of stuff, um, if the— any sound, uh, therapy or healing through, through frequencies, uh, if you've heard any of that.

Well, I know people do sound baths. Yes, where, you know, they'll do these meditation experiments where they lie on their back and they have someone like that's making sounds and and there's something to it. But just think about like what we're saying with Kickstart My Heart. Like when you hear a great song, it changes the way you feel. It changes your feeling. It gives you more energy. It really does. So obviously sound has a profound effect on the human body. And it's not just like you— there's a lot of aspects to a great song, right? It's the sound. It's also the messaging that's in the lyrics. It's like there's a lot of— there's a lot going on. The voice of the singer. You know, the visuals of everybody fucking rocking out on stage.

Sure.

That also contributes to it, but the actual sound itself is affecting your body in a very profound way. And I wouldn't be surprised that there's ways that sound could provide like therapeutic benefits to like people that are injured, that are healing sickness. I'm sure. I mean, if you were lying in a hospital bed and you felt like shit because you just had surgery, but you're listening to some dope music, wouldn't that be better than just listening to people people moan in the next room like, "Ugh! Fuck, get me out of here." Yeah, you're inputting something nice. Should be a part of your recovery.

Yeah, for sure.

Getting positive vibes in, getting like things that give you good feeling and good energy.

I do that all the time, man. I'll sit at home. You know, when you're in the mood to not really listen to music but hear music, where it's just playing in the background, and I'll I'll just put— there's these YouTube videos of these beautiful Japanese gardens in Kyoto or whatever, and there's like high-def shots of these just beautiful, you know, bonsai trees, koi ponds, big Niwaki bonsai, like, and it's just so chill and without music, and I just, I just put it on. It's kind of on a lot. Actually. And I find myself— that's where I go to, like, just like, I don't know.

Yeah, it puts you in a different state.

It puts me in a different space, you know? Yeah, I dig it, man.

You got really into bonsai.

Yeah, dude.

How did that start?

All the— all the times that we've gone to Japan, I— every single— every time I went there, I always went to the Japanese gardens of the temples, and I would just— I'd walk around and just be like like my jaw on the floor. Like, I've never seen anything this fucking peaceful and beautiful and just like, I don't know, it just came over this feeling every time I went. It came over me and I just, I started studying it. This is like 8 years ago. I was like, I need this in my life somehow. I don't know what this is, but let me go down, you know, down the tube here and figure out what that is and how I can get this, some of this into my life. And I found some fucking videos on doing bonsai work on trees, and I started, and I haven't stopped. And it's been hands down the coolest fucking thing I've ever gotten into, man. Like, I'll be out there for hours every day. Like, I'll start my day just being with nature and being with the trees that I'm working on. And I got like a workshop, dude.

It's like a— there's a like in-progress works on the bench. There's other ones I'm bending. There's ones that I'm, you know, treating for pests, you know. There's— it's a whole world. And wiring everything, training it to where you want to go, pruning. It's just— it lets me escape everything for a couple of hours. I just— I I don't know, man. I just check out.

How many years you been doing this now?

I've been probably 8 years now. I've been doing it 8 years.

And so is a bonsai tree a regular tree that would grow big if you didn't fuck with it?

Yes, yes.

Okay, and then you can get it to this incredible, beautiful, artistic shape. Yeah, small.

Yes, it's what you're—

you're basically—

you keep kind of Dwarfing it. And everybody gets this confused, and they just think bonsai is like, that's the tree. Bonsai means tree in pot. That's what that means. Okay, it doesn't mean the actual bonsai tree. It means tree in pot.

And how long is the study of bonsai? How long has the practice been around?

Do it. Ah, fuck, I have no idea. And you, and you find that other parts of the world, now that you get into it, I mean, there's in Taiwan and China, there are some fucking insane bonsai. And I think it actually originated in China, and the Japanese took it and altered it in ways and did it their sort of their version. But I think it originated in China, if I'm not mistaken.

Yeah, 6th century China. And then they brought— yeah, fuck, dude.

Wow, fucking Wiki Lee over here.

So don't you have a tree that's 300 years old?

Yes, I do. Over 300. I have, I have, I have two of them that are over 300 years old.

So someone was working on them over 300 years ago.

Well, either that or was collected maybe 100 years ago, and then over that time it's just constantly been, you know, cut back and cut back, like what you'll do.

But it's a part of a tree that's 300 years ago.

Yeah, it's, it's still— it's the same tree, right? But it's just, it's never been— it's, it's always getting its roots cut.

Is that it? Is that your tree, the 300-year-old tree?

No, no, no, that's just a, that's just a, a small juniper that I have.

It's beautiful.

The 300-year-old one is a is a redwood. It's a fucking trunk on it like this, and it's smashed into a pot about this big.

That seems rude.

It's about that big.

It's redwood, it seems rude. If you go to like Northern California and you go to the redwood forest, yeah, they're fucking spectacular. Yeah, those things are wild.

Insane.

That redwood forest is so incredible. There's the one that you drive through. Yeah, you know Yes, they cut a hole in it in like the 1920s or whatever. It's really fucked. I can't believe they did that, but the tree's still alive and you drive through the tree. It's so crazy.

Yeah, that one I showed not too long ago in an exhibition.

Oh, so you go to bonsai shows?

Yeah, I just started entering some of my trees that I've been working on. I've done 2 so far. I just now, like, just this year entered a couple trees.

That's awesome.

The rest of these other 7 years or 8 years of practicing is just learning, you know.

What a cool hobby.

Yeah, it's fucking rad, dude. It really is.

It's also like the complete opposite of being a rock star.

Totally.

Like, what a great balancing tool, you know.

I know, man. It's interesting because a lot of, a lot of I've had, you know, my peers, musical buddies, like, they're all of them super interested. They're like, dude, what's up with the bonsai? Like, they're curious. They want to know.

Yeah.

Because maybe they've seen me, you know, maybe change a little bit over the years, or they've seen how much joy it fucking brings me. And they're like, I think I want some of that. I'm not sure.

Well, there's something about like a Zen garden that you associate with like bonsai and peacefulness and clarity.

Yes.

You know, just peace of mind.

Yes.

Just clean mind, like your mind is pure. You're like, you're really in the moment rather than just being a fucking mess ordering Uber Eats.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, dude. It's like there's something that's very spiritually attractive to people about those practices.

Yes, and that's it too. It really has a lot to do with sort of the culture of all of it. Like, when you start going down that hole about design and all that stuff, you start to— you start to realize that everything that at least the Japanese do is with such fucking purpose. Like, you'll notice, you know, and I didn't notice this stuff until later, I was like, oh, I get it now. There's serious rules about how they build a Zen garden, you'll never find a straight path ever. I don't care how far you look, you'll never find a straight path going through a Zen garden. They specifically and strategically curve the path to slow you down. When you get to— when you get— when soon as you walk into a garden, the number one objective is to to get you to slow the fuck down. And there's no straight path and everything, you don't, nothing becomes revealed to you until you come around that corner. So you're always, even if you're going across a lake or a pond, there's never a straight, very rarely a straight bridge. It's either arced or the bridge zigzags across, there's never a straight line.

And what that's— how that's— what that's meant to do is get you to stop at each corner and look out and just take, take it in and fucking be present.

Mm-hmm.

And that's, to me, it's like, that's the deeper meaning of all this for me. It's really got me to slow the fuck down because everything is just kind of Right, all the time. So, you know, that— it's just— I get— I don't know how to explain it. Something— it's hard to explain that state, but that's what I— that's what I get from it. And every day, it's the best way to start— start your day, man. It can only get fucking amazing after that because you're— you kind of set yourself up for having a fucking super rad day. Like, I do know what I mean. Like, yeah, yeah, like, I'm good, let's go, right?

Well, it makes sense. I mean, there's something about those Zen gardens that's so attractive to people. Yeah, it's obvious there's something going on with that design, with that flow of nature and the way it's artistically pieced together. It's very exciting to people.

And you see it, man. I don't know if you've noticed, I'm— you had to notice. You see it in a lot of the, like, newer architecture A lot of fucking designs and homes are being built with that sort of very minimal Japanese flavor that is just meant to have your home be a peaceful place and not like a fucking museum, right? This or that, right?

It's really, yeah, yeah, it's more, it's more peaceful, like, in the actual design itself versus like like some house with big giant-ass fucking windows overlooking the big city and fucking rocks everywhere and like, oh yeah, slow down.

Yeah, yeah. And I've had that. I've done that before with the house on the top of the hill with the views. And I mean, the view is just kind of a view. It doesn't really do anything. It's very different than having a, you know, a beautiful winding sanctuary to cruise through You know, I think nature is very therapeutic, and if you can put nature in an artistic form like a Zen garden, it's very therapeutic.

Oh, that's a way better view. The view of nature is a way— always a way. But look, you— whenever I go to New York City and I'm staying in a hotel and I'm in the middle, and you'll see all the buildings like, wow, this is crazy, in the center of it, this is fucking dope. But I don't want to live there, right? Right. I like to visit. I don't think it's good good for me at least. I don't think it's good for my headspace to live there. I like to see trees. Yeah, I like to see nature. I like to see green. I like to see things that are alive. That makes me feel better.

Yeah, you know, it's funny, dude. I tell people, I think, I think I was a fucking tree like in a past life because I'm, I'm, I'm like, maybe you were a tree too. I'm like you, like, I don't know if you're like this gnarly about it, but Every time I go into a city, the first thing I look at is the trees. Like, whether it's a big city, wherever, I'll find the tree because that's the first thing I'm looking for. I don't look at the buildings. I don't look, you know, up and/or down. I'm always like looking for the tree. Yeah, it's just— I don't know, man.

Well, human beings are very connected to plants, or they're very connected to nature, period. It's one of the most brilliant things that the designers of New York City did is make Central Park. Ah, have that giant park. It's an enormous park in the center of the city. I was staying at a hotel last year and it was like on the edge of the park and like from the window you look out, you see the whole park like straight. This is fucking incredible that they did that because it's so big and it's, it's just trees. It's just trees and paths and little lakes and everything and go wander around. Like, hey, get the fuck out of these buildings for a while. And it's like, for a person living in New York City, having that right there in the center is gigantic. I don't know what percentage of people take advantage of it, but they should all. It would make them all better. Yeah, feel better.

It's a little center retreat, man.

Oh, an amazing one. Yeah, it's fucking huge. Like, how many acres is Central Park? Let's find that out. Let's guess. I'm gonna guess 1,000 acres. If I had to guess, maybe 2,000 acres. How big is it? Yeah, 843 acres. So it's this amazing huge park in the center of the biggest city in the world, and you see all these giant crazy fucking buildings and then none of them in the center. It's beautiful.

Fucking props to that. Yeah, those people or whoever that didn't sell that space.

How many fucking vampires are trying to take over that and put a big shitty-ass building in the middle of it? We don't need 800 acres. 500 acres is plenty. Plenty, plenty, plenty. We'll just make those 500 acres even better and no one's gonna complain.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hats off to whoever—

listen, whatever we're gonna do, whoever like held that down, good for them, man. They've lost a few parks. That's one of our shows that we do with, uh, Ari Shaffir, Shane Gillis, and Mark Norman is Protect Our Parks. Oh, but it's— we're not really protecting parks, we're just getting drunk and talking shit. It's called Protect Our Parks because Ari, on one of the early episodes, was ranting and raving about they're gonna fucking take down this park and turn it into apartment buildings, and they wound up doing it. They killed the park. Oh man, vampires, they just want to suck out all the trees and just make money, these dirty bitches.

Oh man, pretty soon they Everybody's going to have no place to go, man.

Yeah. Well, I think Central Park is safe, and that's the greatest park in the world. Yeah, it really is the greatest park in any city in the world.

It's so crazy you mentioned that because on the way here I was flicking through Instagram and I saw— sorry that this happened— some dude got killed. One of the horses took, you know, the horse and buggy thing. Just fucking launched. And you see the dude— the horse flips the cart.

Oh no.

And the dude gets flung out and then he dies. He died on the way to the hospital.

Why did the horse freak out? Do we know what happened?

I don't— it didn't show it. It just showed like somebody else has had footage of it, like just the horse freaking out.

Oh shit.

And then peeling out and you'd see the thing flip over and you're like, oh man, dude.

You know, I love horses and I'm not a fan of horses walking around the I think it's fucked. Yeah, I get that people think it's romantic to ride on the back of a buggy with a horse. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not right. No, horse is supposed to be in the fucking fields and the mountains. The horse supposed to be running around and clicking around on the asphalt. Fuck all that. Yeah, they're not like— it's just a gross touristy thing. I mean, it's cool to see them every now and then. Yeah, I know cops like to use them when they're breaking up riots and shit, which is kind of crazy. But the reality is a horse is not supposed to be there, just like a cow's not supposed to be there. If you had cows walking down the street, you'd be like, why the fuck is this cow here? This was likely an accident because the driver— yeah, the driver, I guess they call him— wasn't in the right spot, like left his seat. What? Yeah, he left his seat. They're never supposed to leave their seat. It says to take maybe a photo of the passengers in the carriage, and when the family was climbing back in, horse got spooked.

Oh no, yes, it happened very fast.

But yeah, the driver's not in it, the driver's not in it, dude. It just peels out.

Oh fuck, man.

And you see it just go and just made up— make kind of a hard right, and the buggy just—

oh fuck—

flips over.

And I don't fuck with horses, man. Yeah, dude, I don't ride them. I have— I've ridden a horse before. I don't like it.

Shit, dude. I've— same here, I've done it. I got my ass thrown off one.

Yeah.

And I was like, I'm good, I'm cool.

It's just not good. It's just— I mean, look, if you're a cowboy and you're riding horses and everything, that's kind of a different thing.

Sure.

You know, if you're doing it every day, that's a different thing. But for me, it's like, I don't need to ride them. I get it.

For entertainment purposes.

It's like I went to Thailand and we rode elephants. We had to ride elephants. And the elephants don't mind because you establish a relationship with them first. You feed them sugarcane and, you know, you pet them and you hang out with them, and then they decide whether or not you're cool. And if you give them like peaceful, gentle, friendly energy, they're like, sure, come on up.

Good.

They lift their leg up and you step on top of them and you climb on their back and they gently take you through the jungle. But I'm like, I didn't need to do that. I could have just hung out with them. That would have been plenty cool. I'm happy just feeding them. I don't need to ride them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like King I'm King Champ on the big-ass fucking elephant, look at me! You know, it's very weird. Yeah, it's weird, but you know, people like it and they're beautiful animals.

Oh my God, they're beautiful.

I don't need to ride animals. I get it, people like to do it. I don't have a problem with people doing it, but it's not me.

Yeah, I'd rather look at them. I'm with you.

Yeah, but horses and people have like a crazy relationship. You know, people that have horses, like, they, they're bonded to that animal like no other animal.

Oh yeah, I know a few that are just like horse whisperer kind of shit, like where you're like, whoa, this is, this is some next-level love.

Yeah, they do a lot of— there's, there's a therapy with that too. They do equine therapy for a lot of people.

I did that one time at a rehab. They took us to have like a couple of days with just with horses, and it was cool, man. I get it.

Yeah, well, again, it's like just like the trees in the forest. It's like something peaceful about horses. Yeah, you know, yeah, mostly, most of the time, they're— especially if they're broken, they're pretty chill. They just want to hang out. Yeah, yeah, you come up and pet them and they like it, and it's like, oh yeah, puts you in check.

Their big-ass teeth freak me out. When you're feeding them, you're like, you don't want to get your fingers in there, dude.

People have been bitten by them too.

Chompers.

If someone's a dick, you get a horse annoyed and they bite you, like, bro.

Oh dude, yeah, that's got a fucking—

can you imagine all that jaw power, dude? The size of their fucking head. Yeah, just clamping down on your hand. Fuck you, I want a carrot, bitch. Give me the fucking carrot.

That's so rad you can smoke in here.

Yes, you can. Yeah, I smoke cigars.

Of course.

I'll fire up with you.

All right.

How long you been smoking?

God, forever.

You ever try to quit?

I have, and I quit for— ah, this is a few years ago. I quit for like, fuck, I almost made it a year, and then I was like, gotta get a feel.

Like, after a few months you're out of the woods.

Yeah, it— I don't know, it just didn't— it didn't last. It just didn't fucking last, man.

What brought you back?

Um, you know what, probably because I was drinking at the time, like they kind of go hand in hand. If you're having a cocktail or a beer or whatever, you're having a smoke, chances are, right? And I don't know, man, I was just— you're sitting there and you're having a drink and you're like, where's the cigarette? It's just— I don't know, there's like rock and roll, they just go together for some reason. So I failed.

Well, why did you quit originally?

What was the thought behind I think I was just trying to quit fucking everything, you know. He's just like, that's it, fuck everything, I'm just gonna take a break and fucking hit the reset button on everything. I think I was going through that phase because I hadn't ever tried that. Tried everything else but nothing. And yeah, I don't know, man.

It's the last vice of a lot of people in recovery.

Yeah, and then you got guys like Keith Richards who's just ripping cigarettes still, and I'm like, he's fine. And like, I've gotten my fucking lungs and done the whole like Prenuvo body scan to see all your shit, and They're like, you're good. I'm like, are you sure? Wait, let me see the, like, you know, the paperwork. This is just a different lease or a different guy, like, because that's fucking impossible. They're like, you're good. I was like, all right, so that there's really no reason to quit.

Well, there's a— it's actually a very small percentage of people Well, first of all, it's a very small percentage of people that get lung cancer, uh, the general population.

Oh.

And then when you add in cigarette smokers, it's a small percentage of cigarette smokers that get lung cancer.

Oh.

But more cigarette smokers get lung cancer than regular people. And so that's why when you look at the percentage of people that get lung cancer that smoke cigarettes, that's why it looks so high. So if you like, let's, let's find the numbers. Put it into Perplexity, please. Let's, uh, what percentage of cigarette smokers get lung cancer? And I think it's less than 5%. I think it's a very small number. And then you got to think, people that are smoking cigarettes, how many of them are smoking 2, 3 packs a day?

Oh yeah, that's crazy. I don't—

and how many of them are smoking just a few cigarettes a day? I bet a lot. I bet a lot of people that are a little hesitant, they only smoke like a half a pack pack or a little bit less. Yeah, like, so what does it say, Jamie? It's still calculating. Oh, sorry.

And isn't there something about like nicotine? Like when COVID happened, they were like, if you're a smoker, you're good. And I never got fucking COVID.

Yes.

And I was like, yay, nicotine!

Well, there's something about smoking cigarettes that's supposed to be like really good to prevent COVID, and it's really confusing.

It's so crazy.

Yeah, uh, 10 to 20% of people who smoke at some point in their lives will develop lung cancer, with many studies landing about 15%. I thought it was a lot less than that. Large study estimates that 15 out of 100 current smokers will get lung cancer over the— but that's estimated from a study. Another analysis found roughly 1 in 7 current smokers develop lung cancer. People who never smoke have a 1 to 2% chance or lifetime risk of lung cancer. Wow. Yeah, people who never smoke. Overall, only a minority of smokers get lung cancer, but smoking still causes about 80 to 90% of the lung cancer deaths. Oh, this is something we talked about yesterday, Jamie, that we forgot to look up. There's some sort of a study that's connecting people that live in Europe that have high polyphenol diets, like, so they have like, they use a lot of olive oil.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

And olive oil seems to protect, and it's a very controversial statement because people think, oh my god, you're promoting cigarettes. I don't think they're promoting cigarettes. It's just that they're just looking at data that these people that have high olive oil content in their diets seem to not have any problems with cigarettes, or not have nearly as many problems.

Oh wow.

Yeah, which makes sense because olive oil is so good for you. You got to think it's got to balance out a lot of the free radicals and bullshit that you're getting from life. Yes, makes sense that it would apply to smoking as well.

You totally Yeah, that's— yeah, I heard that.

So smoke 'em if you got 'em.

Fuckin' A, dude.

Get some extra virgin olive oil. Let's fuckin' go.

Dip 'em.

Dip 'em like sherm. Have you ever tried sherm?

A long time ago. Did you? Whoa. Yeah, fuckin' high school days, man.

People in Europe who eat high polyphenol diets but still— but smoke still face the full, very high health risks of smoking. Diet cannot cancel out cigarette damage. It can only modestly improve overall risk markers. But there was an article that I had read that they were connecting it. They were talking about Europeans. Yeah, here it is. Especially Mediterranean-rich plant diets consume substantial polyphenols from fruits, vegetables, and whole grains, tea, olive oil, and wine. Polyphenol intake is linked to more— to better cardiovascular risk profiles and lower long-term heart disease risk and overall mortality. In observational studies. Because that's the other thing about cigarettes, it's not just cancer, it's also heart disease. And so polyphenols have antioxidants and anti-inflammatory effects, but current evidence does not show they can neutralize the cardiovascular cancer or lung damage risk from smoking. What it means for smokers— yeah, haters. You have to have some vices. Most of the people I know that are in Alcoholics Anonymous, they fucking drink coffee every day and they smoke cigarettes.

Yeah, big percentage of them ripping cigarettes.

Yeah, yeah, cuz it gets you a little high. Yeah, but it's like a very manageable high. Yeah, like the cigarette high is like, oh, I'm alright.

Yeah, it's just like a little lightheaded.

Yeah, but also like good for cognitive function, you know. Oh, like, you know, Pink Floyd, when they wrote The Wall, they were high as fuck on cigarettes. Those guys smoke cigarettes all day long.

Long. What?

Yeah, yeah, those dudes smoked a ton of cigarettes.

Get out of here. Yeah, is that coffee, dude?

Get in there, dog.

Fuck yeah, thank you, bro.

My pleasure. Yeah, yeah, Tony Hitchcliff told me that, and he's a giant cigarette fan. Stephen King said that too. When he stopped smoking cigarettes, it affected his writing.

Oh, whoa.

Yeah, he said his synapses just didn't fire as fast anymore.

Whoa.

It's like, that was one of the things that I really know notice when I quit smoking.

That's wild.

Yeah.

Huh.

Doesn't that make sense though?

It does. I remember quitting for a short time there. I remember everything tasting better. Oh shit.

Yeah.

Like everything you just tasted better.

Yeah.

You know, of course, it's pounding a cigarette immediately following every single meal or drink.

It's got to numb the inside of your mouth in some way or dull your senses.

Something. You're caking it with smoke. Yeah.

Of course. Clog up the old taste receptors.

Yeah, dude.

But a lot of creative people swear by cigarettes, man.

Mm-hmm.

I think there's, there's some benefit to it.

Yeah, hopefully.

Now I think there is. I think there's some cognitive benefit. There's just way too many like super creative people and a lot of intelligent people, a lot of professors use tobacco. David Gilmour says he never smokes cigarettes. David Gilmour. But didn't Roger Waters— this is— this thing goes on to say that some of the band did smoke cigarettes, but it's more about their marijuana and hashish smoking. So Tony Hinchcliffe spread misinformation and here I am repeating it. He might have— he could have been told though. Yeah, I'm sure he was told. Well, Roger— yeah, we all did hang out with Roger that one night. That was pretty dope. We got to see Roger Waters live and we came on the podcast, we hung out, and then we went to see his concert. Concert. It was insane.

Oh, I bet it was fucking rad.

He is another legend, was still like full power on stage. Incredible.

That's the best.

The show was amazing. And it's like he has these enormous screens behind him, so the show is like, it's the music, but it's also these incredible visuals that you're watching while the music is playing.

Yeah.

You know, and his is so politically loaded, so it's, you know, you see all this crazy shit like while he's singing these songs. Like when they're playing The Wall, It's like, fuck.

Yeah, I remember seeing one of those tours. I think maybe it was, I don't know what, but the wall slowly building over the whole— yeah, it's fucking crazy.

And when we went to see him, Ari was high as fuck on acid and he's crying in the middle of the show. He's crying like a bitch. It was fucking phenomenal.

Oh my God, dude, I don't know if I could handle that.

Yeah, I don't know either.

Jesus.

Like, get the fuck out of here with the acid. We're just gonna go see the concert. I'm not doing that.

Yeah, dude, fuck, around all those people. I know, I'd probably— I don't know if that'd be a good one.

Probably not a good one, but Ari's an experienced passenger, you know what I mean? He can ride some waves.

Good boy.

He could ride some waves without throwing up. Do you ever look back and just say, God, it's a a wonder I'm still alive.

Dude, I told you earlier, I pinch myself on a daily basis. I really do. Just like, I shouldn't technically be here, right? Maybe you shouldn't. I don't know, who knows. We all got our, our thing. But I'm— and I'm really lucky to be here, and I think it's because I want to be here. Like, I'm You know what I mean? Like, I want to be here. Like, I want to fucking see— I'm kind of pissed because I feel like we're not even close to where we should be. I mean, the year 2000, I mean, where's my fucking spaceship? Right, you know, like, where is that? There was supposed to be Full Jetsons, bro. They're extremely late, or it's never gonna happen.

I think there's a real problem with people flying.

They lied.

The people— the problem with people flying around is you got to catch them, whereas if they're on the street, just close off the street and then you catch them, right?

Yeah.

If people are flying around, like, way too much freedom, bang, they just go off. Like, no, no, no, no, you can't have that for everybody. Yeah, I have people corralled in nice like very clean lines. We can block these lines off, very obvious paths, use lights to start, fly over them in helicopters, put a spotlight down on them, see, follow them around. That's what people like. They don't like this idea of the jets and like, that's not—

fuck, I want that, dude. I want my own little—

well, they do have flying cars now.

I saw some of those. There's a couple, there's like like a one company called JetOne. It's like this little— looks like a little— it's like a one-man drone for helicopters. I'm like, yeah, me and my manager were always like, should we go fucking get a couple of these?

You don't want to die that way. Yeah, let those things get worked out for a few years.

Yeah, it's probably— it needs a little bit more time for it to be soup.

But yeah, man, because I mean, think about like how glitchy early cell phones were, you know what I mean?

Dude, right?

Let that shit get ironed out.

Yeah.

Let the eggheads work on that for a little bit, polish it up nice, fix all the bugs. Yeah, it's like, I don't know what happens when those things crash. Like, you get a warning when they're about to die? Like, do you— do they run out of batteries? Does it run out of gas? Is it allowed to run out of gas? Can you just be an asshole and just fly until you run out of gas and die?

Yeah, or solar charging takeoff.

I think I could make it home. Like, how many guys have done that in their cars? I think I could make it home.

Boom.

When I was in high school, my friend picked me up in his buddy's 1970 Chevelle. Fucking amazing Chevelle. So dope. And I remember he ran out of gas and we coasted perfectly right to the gas station.

No way.

Yeah, it was like we shut the car, we got out like, that was amazing. Just because, you know, we're 16. It ran out of gas at the pump. I was like, this is perfect.

No pushing, no nothing. Just—

but if you're in one of them little drones and that shit goes, goes on E, yeah, yeah, it's fucking parts.

Yeah, yeah, not good.

Did you see that documentary that they did about that kid that stole a plane? He stole a plane, was like working at an airport, and he stole a plane and hijacked it and then flew it and crashed it and died. Yes, but he's like having conversations with them. Yeah, he's talking, I'm going like, I don't know what I'm doing, man.

You know, this one's for the— I don't know. Yeah, he's just— and they were just like, fuck it, run it, dude.

Well, they were trying to get him to land it, but they were trying to get him to land it. But the reality was, like, he's no way he's gonna figure out how to land that thing. He's a dead man. The moment he got off the ground, he's a dead man.

Yeah.

And he just stole the plane. And there's a whole documentary about it. It's apparently very interesting.

Oh, wow. I don't— I have not seen the documentary, but I've seen clips of them trying to talk him, talk him down, and he just seemed like he wasn't— that wasn't an option. He just seemed like he was ready to wrap it up. He was taking this— this was this— yeah, that, that one flight.

Yeah, ready to wrap it up. Yeah, your insurance covers this. Yeah, I think flying cars will probably be a thing one day. For 70 minutes, the world watched in disbelief as a stolen Horizon airplane soared over Puget Sound down for crashing on a remote island. Now a new Hulu documentary reveals the man behind the controls and the quiet struggle that led him there.

Oh, I gotta watch this. What's it called?

What's it called?

It's what?

Sky King.

It's called Sky King.

Poor dude.

Oh damn. Well, at least they gave him a rad title.

Yeah, well, the unfortunate thing is that might encourage other people to do it as well. Oh yeah, people are very stupid.

People are stupid. I, I just released a song called Stupid World a couple weeks ago, and that's exactly what that's about. It's literally, we have gotten to a place where everything to me, like, we are at just epic stupid proportions where you're just like, not a day goes by where I'm like, that's fucking ridiculous, that's stupid. Like, how stupid— like, how stupid can we get? Anyway, I wrote this track, it's called Stupid World.

Well, you live in LA, which is one of the stupidest fucking places on earth.

Dude, I know, it's fucking insane. I'm like, and I'm doing the same thing too. Like, why do I live here? I mean, I love— I love it there, but in the same—

amazing—

there's always in the back of my head is why.

Look, it's the most— one of the most beautiful places on earth. The weather's perfect. Yes, most of the people are very friendly. Most of the people are cool, you know. It's like, it's only a percentage of the people that are— that suck. It's a large percentage, but it's only a percentage. The most— the majority of the people are cool. The problem is it's like slowly becoming a new Detroit. It's like slowly the film business is like dried up. Yeah, like completely dried up. Television completely dried up. Late-night TV, it's dried up, man. And then that was fueling a giant giant part of like what made LA special.

I know.

And it's just dried up, man. Nobody has to be there anymore, and they make it intolerable. They make you seem like you have to be there, so they just punish you with taxes, and they punish you with regulations, they punish you with— they make it everything very difficult to conduct business, very difficult to be safe, very difficult to just feel fucking normal.

Yeah.

And they get surprised when people leave. Like, what do you want? Yeah, what do you think you're doing to that place? You guys can see the statistics. Stop fucking gaslighting the world, right? Fuck this place sideways and you want to keep doing it.

And the weirdest thing is, you know, like, you know, you hear and you see, oh man, fuck, a bunch of people are leaving LA. And part of me is like, fuck yes, get the fuck out of here, there's too many people here, so go. Oh, but then I realized nothing's really changed, and I don't really notice that people have left. The traffic's still the same, a bunch of shit's exactly the same, and you tell me this many people left? I don't see it. Well, and I wonder if that's not, not maybe a, I don't know, a hyped statistic.

Yeah, it's not a scientific analysis. No, like, the numbers are real, people have left LA, but it doesn't matter. You could lose 5 million people and LA's still too big. The traffic's bananas, dude.

It's fucking— it's retarded.

Yeah, it's bananas. Yeah, if you want to go to Orange County at 4 o'clock or shoot yourself, like, it's a real— that's a real decision. Drive to Orange County at 4 o'clock in the afternoon, you're like, what the fuck am I doing with my life? This is crazy.

Yeah, and don't even think about hitting the 405.

No, at all. Like, no, no, you're gonna have to go some sideways. Waze. Yeah, you're gonna have to go some— you're gonna have to use Waze.

Yeah, yeah.

And even then you're fucked. Even then it's an hour and a half. If you live in like Irvine and you commute to LA, good God bless you, dude. God bless you. Yeah, how do you do it?

I don't know.

People do it every day. They just want to live in a place like Irvine, real safe, real nice.

Yeah, just nice.

I gotta work in LA, fuck it, I'll just drive in every day.

Just all fucking mad and just—

I would get up at 5 in the morning and just go to the gym gym. That's what I would do. I'd get up 5 in the morning, drive to LA, I'd get a membership in LA at the gym. That way I'm driving with no traffic, at least one way. At least getting there, I have no traffic.

Yeah.

And then you deal with the home commute, but doing it to both to and from— yeah, fuck you, fuck you. I'm not doing that.

It's too gnarly.

I'd rather get up at 5 in the morning. I, I would— I can't imagine even doing it once a day, but there's a lot of people that do 3 hours a day minimum in their and they really live 20 minutes away. If they didn't have traffic, they would be there in 25 minutes.

Man, that's pretty crazy when you realize all we have here on this planet is time, and you realize that kind of time you're wasting, wasting, and you're never gonna get back. And you're like, if I do this consecutively, consecutively, every single day, I wonder what— add that time up over, you know, whatever, however many years, and I'll bet you people would freak the fuck out.

Yeah, you lost years.

I just lost years of my life in the fucking car.

Yeah, but the good thing is, one thing that you can do in the car is listen to books on tape. Yeah, and books on tape are amazing. And, you know, podcasts too, for some people. Yeah, but for me, it's a lot of it is books on tape. Tape, because like you'll get lost in a book and it doesn't even really bother you that much. And the one of the crazy— if you have a Tesla, my Tesla does auto driving. So if I want to, if I'm leaving here and there's some crazy traffic for some reason, I just go, doot doot, I just turn it on and it goes. I don't have to hit the blinkers, I don't have to change lanes, I don't have to stop at red lights, it does It does everything.

De-stressed.

And all I have to do is just keep my fingers on the wheel, just like this.

Oh, to make it look like you're—

no, you're supposed to like stay in contact with the wheel and just keep your eyes on the road, but you don't have to think at all. You know, you can't do that. You're not supposed to do that. It probably would still work. I don't even know what happens if you just go— I think it shuts down after a second, probably starts to recognize that you're doing that and shuts down. But the reality is like that as a stress decoupler coupler. There's nothing like it.

Oh man, the best.

You just put your fingers on the wheel and just chill. And now all you're doing is sitting for an hour and a half instead of like constantly hitting the brake, constantly hitting the gas, constantly hitting the brakes. Now you're just chilling and you can get just like, listen to your book on Banzai.

Yeah, no, that is, that is nice, man. I don't know about you, but like if I start like, you know, you start reading a book, just, you know, your eyes focusing and reading reading, they get tired. So you get more in listening to it, an auditory version of it, rather than— for me at least— sort of, sort of eye-stressing on reading and doing all that. Yeah, I get tired and then fucking lose interest.

Yeah, that's, that's— there's definitely something to that. Well, reading always makes me want to go to sleep. Yes, especially reading at night, it helps me fall asleep. Yeah, but there's, uh, there's also something about reading in your in your head because you create the voices and you create everything. Like, you use your imagination when you're just reading that doesn't exist with books on tape.

Yes.

But with audiobooks, I don't have the time. So for me, it's a time thing.

Yeah.

Like, if I have a guest coming on and the guest is like an astrophysicist that has some very bizarre theory about something, like, I need to absorb the information and I have a limited amount of time. So I listen to audiobooks in the gym. Gym. I listen to audiobooks in the sauna, and I listen to it in the car on the way to work. And so that altogether is a couple hours in a day. So I can do that and get a lot of information in where I wouldn't— I don't have the couple hours to sit down and just read. I just don't. I wish I did. I don't.

Yeah.

So I can still get all that data and that information, but I have to be very diligent about actually listening. Yeah, that's the thing, because especially at the gym, you can get a little just distracted, and you're like, what the fuck did he just say? And you have to back it up. And oh yeah, that happens. I generally, I just shut it off. I'm like, this workout's too intense, I can't really pay attention.

Yeah, you can. Yeah, what do they say? Do what you're doing when you're doing it.

Yeah, yeah.

People, people, people think they're multitasking, right? That doesn't fucking exist. You really Yeah, whatever.

You're sort of multitasking, but you're robbing from Peter to pay Paul.

Thank you very much.

Yeah, you're taking away some of your attention on what you're doing to pay attention to this other thing, and it's definitely making you less good at either one of those things. And if one of them is very simple and it's like it doesn't matter, okay, you could be distracted, right?

Right.

If it's two important things, you're robbing each important thing. You're robbing attention from these things.

Yeah, there it is. Yeah, it is.

Well, I've always found that like my best workouts are in silence. It's like, you know, it's so hard to work out. Like, you really need to only be thinking about what you're doing.

Yeah.

And if you add in a bunch of stuff— except music. Music is always fuel for workouts. That's different.

Sure.

Books— it's like music, you can listen and then stop listening. You could do it, be in the middle of set. It doesn't distract you with lyrics. It just keeps keeps— just gives you some energy in the air. Yeah, music is the ultimate companion for working out.

Yeah, no doubt, no doubt.

So much so that David Goggins doesn't use it because he says it's cheating.

What?

He goes, it's cheating, you know, because he's just a complete total psycho.

Is that that like, uh, is that that like, uh, ultramarathon guy?

Yeah.

Okay, I thought it was the Live Forever guy, the—

oh no, no, that's Bryan Johnson. That's the guy who like has his son's blood injected into him.

Yeah, that dude. I'm sorry, I'm confusing this.

David Goggins is a totally different guy. He's the Navy SEAL who, uh, runs— he— I think— how many ultramarathons did he run in a month? Something insane. He runs 100-mile races and he's— he's like an insane fitness freak.

Oh wow.

And when he works out, he has these workouts where like famously he'll take like professional fighters and they work out with them and they can't can't keep up and they're just throwing up and I just can't, can't believe how much this guy works. And he's doing it easy where he's just talking to them the entire time and they can't keep up. He finished 8 100-mile marathons in 8 consecutive weekends. So he ran 800 miles in 8 weekends. He's a nut. And he does like— he'll, he'll be like at home and just decide, uh, I'm gonna do a 60-mile I'm gonna go ruck right now, and just like throws on a backpack, gets outside, and starts rucking, and they'll just do 60 miles. And so go out there for hours and hours, just decides this is what I'm gonna do, and I'm not stopping until I'm done. And he does it all the time. Whoa, he's in insane shape, and he's 50. Wow, he's in insane— he also has no knees. His knees are completely destroyed, all from pounding on bone on bone. He's had a ton of operations, doesn't care, keeps going. Bone on bone on bone.

Like, what? It's just a maniac. It's a complete and total maniac. But he doesn't use music because he says it's cheating.

Wow, that's amazing.

But that just shows you I like to cheat. I like to use that music. I like to cheat. I need to cheat to get that energy extra. I mean, I can do it myself, maybe, but why would I? When I go— I mean, give me that fucking— give me that fucking music. Yeah, if it's cheating, I'm gonna cheat at that.

Yeah, that's, that's, that's not cheating.

I don't think of it as—

that's called inspiration.

Yes, it's an awesome supplement. That's what I call it.

There you go.

But for him, it's all about mental strength, and so he considers it cheating to use that mental strength. Like, your mental strength should be right from your brain. He goes, you can't always count on that music. The music's not always gonna be there. Yeah, like, okay, I guess so.

He kind of has a— I get it. Like, yeah, do what you're doing.

For what he does, he kind of has a point.

Yeah, I could see that. He's focusing. Yeah, no distractions.

Yeah, he says he's gaining knowledge. He says, I'm gaining knowledge, I'm acquiring knowledge.

I believe him.

I believe him because he's thinking he's going into the dark realms of his mind, you know. Intense suffering, running 100-mile races 8 weekends in a row.

He's doing some serious other work, right, while he's running.

That's the real, like, deep introspective work. You want to find out who you really are? Run 8 100-mile races in 8 weeks.

Imagine those conversations you're having with yourself. What the fuck am I doing? No, dude, you got this, you got this. No, dude, you're an idiot. No, bro, fuck it.

Yes, I think he probably used to have those conversations. Now it's just— now it's just battling demons. It's all just demons, just crushing down negative thoughts, crushing down weakness, you know. I know, fuck, it's a lot of different kinds of people in this world, Tommy.

Yeah, there are, dude. It's pretty crazy.

I bet you've met every variety of them.

Just about. Oh my God, that's funny. Wow.

I know there's some crazy people in this world.

Yeah, there is.

But we need all of them, you know. We need our Tommy Lees, we need our David Lee Ross, we need our, you know, we need our David Goggins. We need all those people. That's what makes the world beautiful, is that there are so many different people. You can meet someone like, fuck, I never met a guy like him. That's nuts.

Yeah, that is what it is. Wonderful. Isn't it wonderful?

I mean, you must have met every fucking human being that's ever lived, practically.

Dude, I feel like it, just about.

I mean, you've been famous since what year? Like, what year did Mötley Crüe really break out?

It's like '80.

'80, that's nuts. Yeah, boy, that world was a different place, bro. The world was a different place.

No internet, no, no cell phones.

No, who was president in 1980?

1980?

Was that even Reagan yet?

Almost.

When did Reagan become president?

Yeah, fuck.

Reagan was president when I was in high school.

Who the fuck?

That was in the '80s. What year, Jamie? Started in '81. '81. So 1980, Reagan wasn't even president yet.

Fuck. Who was president?

How do we— Jimmy Carter, right?

Yeah, that sounds right.

Wasn't it Jimmy Carter before Reagan? Yeah, yeah, so it's Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan.

Whoa, dude.

Wow, isn't that nuts? 1980. What was that scene like, bro?

That was— I'd still to this day, um, um, Mötley did, uh, we did this movie called The Dirt and it It's based on our autobiography from, you know, certain years, from this year to this year. And it kind of like, it shows how it fucking was. And one of the coolest things ever is when, you know, I'll see emails from fans or questions from fans and they're like, dude. Was it— and these are from like, you know, 18-year-old kids. They're like, was it really like that when you guys were rocking shit like that? I was like, 100%. They're like, fuck. And they're bummed. They're like, we will never ever get to experience that. Fuck. It's like, it was just full on till the wheels fall off. No, you could get away with fucking murder. Literally, there was no phones and no— this was at a time where anything, anything goes. Pretty much. Pretty much.

How old were you in 1980?

In 1980, I was 18.

Jesus Christ.

7, 18, 17. 18.

So you're blowing up at 18 years old. How the fuck did you manage?

I know, dude.

Look at that picture. That's crazy. That looks like a picture from like 1940, right? It's like it's another world.

I know.

Even the font from Mötley Crüe. Yeah, looks ancient.

Totally.

Wow.

God, dude, what is that?

Does that even seem real when you look at that Sure.

Look at our fucking little cheesy cloth backdrop.

That's dope.

See the wrinkles in the fabric? That's the whiskey. Yeah, whiskey.

Too Fast for Love, fucking great song.

And that fucking drum riser, that, that right there with the lights in it. Yeah, my dad fucking— and my dad, myself, and my drum tech, we built that riser, dude. Dude, like it had fucking switches. My dad was a mechanic, and so my dad built— he, you know, he was like, you need a drum riser? All right, let's go. I mean, dude, he would— my dad would build us pyro. Fucking— he like drilled out these or cut these big blocks of wood ran electrical prongs up through the wood, and then you take a little small wire and you connect the tube, put a pipe over it, fill it with gunpowder. And we'd be out in my backyard, dude, and the neighbors would be all of a sudden just like, fire! There's these fucking mushroom clouds in my backyard, and the neighbors are like, what the fuck is going on? And my dad would like he just, he loved it. He's like making bombs, lighting rigs, drum risers. And then he would drive me, he would drive me to the gigs in his van with all my shit. Like I had the best dad fucking ever.

That's awesome.

Yeah. And here, here's a mechanic. Okay.

Look at this fucking setup, bro. This is nuts.

Oh dude. Right.

The hamster wheel.

Yeah.

That is crazy.

Yeah. That's nuts, bro.

You were doing drums like halfway upside down.

Did the thing— it was gyroscoped. It went around, you know, right to left, back to front.

What is it like trying to play the drums from that position though? That's got to be very weird, dude.

It is insane. Like, I had to— like, I had to change so many dynamics. Like, think about it, instead of gravity— instead of gravity pulling your hand down, right, right. Right now you've got to push. Oh yeah, you're upside down, so it becomes 3 times harder physically. And, um, and also you had to make adjustments. So, um, I don't know how much you know about drums, but on your pedals, they're foot pedals for your bass drums, right? Well, and those are chain-driven pedal footboards, so when you go upside down they fall. So I had to put springs— I had to put springs underneath the pedals to keep them taut so they would stay up, you know what I'm saying?

Oh yeah.

So I had— and with cymbals, they, they, they're meant to hang a certain way. They're not meant to hang upside down. So I had to make all these crazy adjustments technically to pull it off. But we figured it out with the hi-hat too, because a hi-hat would, you know, the two cymbals that Well, they would just— if you're upside down, they just, they just go open. They all right. So I had to do another spring as well to keep that closed so I could manually drive it. It's all this crazy shit.

Why did you decide to do that? Like, what was it, just something rad?

You know what, that all started, and it's kind of been my thing throughout history, and every year I do something fucking different and crazier, of course. Course, everybody's like, what are you gonna do next year? What are you gonna do next year? Um, that's sort of like, that's where it all started. And it really started when I went to go see— it was fucking Pat Travers. Um, do you remember Pat Travers' band?

No.

Boom Boom, Out Go the Lights. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, anyway, they were cool, and I went to go see them, and Tommy Aldrich was the drummer. And this is before Mötley. I'm just like, whoa, dude, I'm like a fucking kid standing on the chair. Fuck yeah, right? And it's drum solo time, and he's a badass, and he's just— he's fucking ripping, dude. All you see is sticks flying and hair fucking going. He's shredding, and I'm looking around, and I'm watching people go get a beer, people going to pee, going to get a t-shirt, going out to the lobby to fucking smoke a joint. What? I don't know, whatever. Everybody's kind of leaving, and I'm like, where the fuck is everybody going? That guy is murdering the fucking drums right now, and y'all are like— he failed to capture their attention. And from that moment on, I went, I need to figure out, A, how to give the audience a better view of what you're actually doing there because people can't see.

It's not like a guitar, right? Right.

You can, you can see, oh, there's the— that's the roller coaster. That's the, that's the, that's the Crucifly, dude.

That's so dope.

That's the, like, the latest one. That thing went from the front all the way to the back of the fucking arena or stadium.

That's crazy, dude.

And look at— and then it, it starts, it starts twirling as it's going down.

Oh my God, you're upside down. That's That is so sick.

Look at that, dude.

That is so sick.

The audience must go, "Duh-nanas." Yeah, at one point the roller coaster comes down and it's literally almost over. They could almost touch you.

Wow.

Look at that shit, dude. I think that is the most—

How do you not get a crazy head rush when you're upside down banging on the drums?

Dude, it is so gnarly. I'm wrecked. It's 9 minutes total.

Must do a lot for your core too, right? Hold yourself, dude.

I'm on the oxygen bottle. When I finish, I go all the way out and then I do it all backwards.

Whoa.

Go back and do it backwards. And by the time I get done, I'm sitting there with the oxygen going while Mick does a guitar solo. I just need a couple seconds because I am fucking done.

I can imagine, man. It's incredible cardio.

It's insane.

It's like shadowboxing for minutes at a time, hardcore, super fast. Yeah, I've always admired the—

or on the punching bag fitness. Yeah, just constantly. And you know what that's like, man. After a fucking minute of that, you're like, I know.

The physical fitness involved in playing drums must be really crazy. Like, if you didn't play drums for like a few years and then picked it up again and started again, it'd probably take forever to get that endurance back.

Forever, dude.

Because it's so like— when you're going off, dude, you You're so fast. You're going so fast, dude. It's like everything's fucking moving. You're pounding your feet and everything. Like, fuck, man.

I know.

It's one of the most athletic things in all of music.

It really is, man. And I had this— I was like, okay, how come I've weighed the same weight since fucking high school till today?

Right.

And I'm like, that's fucking weird. And I eat kind of whatever the fuck I want to eat. Like, I don't— there's no— I don't like diet or have some strict, you know, regimented food program. I was like, I'm gonna fucking— I gotta see. I got one of those— this was years ago— it was like a pedometer you clip onto your shoe, like joggers would use it to see how— there's like the old version, you just clipped it on on your shoe and it tells you how many miles you did, like a little tachometer— not a tachometer, yeah, I know, pedometer. Yeah, so I'm like, I get one, I clip it on, I'm like, I wonder what— how many fucking miles I'm doing after a 2-hour show. I don't know, fuck, who knows. I know I'm sweaty as fuck and I'm— I'm after the show, all I hear is ringing in my ears and I'm fucking wrecked. I'm wrecked. I'm done. And I fucking took it off after the show, and I looked down and it said 13.3 miles. And I was like, so that's why I don't fucking— that's why I'm just skinny fuck. And like, I just, I sweat it out.

Travis Barker, same deal.

Same deal.

Yeah, I mean, he works out a lot as well, but it's like same deal. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's like incredible amounts of cardio. The amount of— I wonder how many calories you burn in a 2-hour show. It's got to be off the charts.

Yeah, that I haven't measured.

Just because it's not just jogging, it's not like you're running 13 miles. Obviously you're sitting still, but the pounding of the arms.

Yes.

Yeah, and the breathing, you know, you got a fucking—

yeah, it's like, yeah, everything's going, man. You're firing on all cylinders.

For sure the most athletic thing in all of music. Music for sure. Nothing even close, right?

Yeah, no.

I mean, playing guitars, you're moving your hands and everything, but it's not, not nearly—

drums are like a— it's more like a sport.

It really is.

It really is.

It really is. Like, you don't see a really out of shape drummer.

No.

You know, it's almost like you can't be to keep up.

No, I know. And yet everybody's— you're kind of like, you're the fucking heartbeat, man. You, you're, you're really really everybody's kind of, you know, people say you're, you're all, you're only as good, your band's only as good as your drummer. And that's really fucking, it's really true. And I'm not just saying that because I'm a fucking drummer, but drummer has a lot of responsibility, man. Everybody, all the people that you see out there that are fucking moving, I'm, I'm responsible for, for a lot of that. I'm not saying it for all of it, right? You sort of set the You know, and, and you're making people physically move. Yeah, like, and that, that's, that takes, that takes a lot of work, you know. So the amount of energy you're putting out, you're getting back, and you're seeing it, and you're like, fuck, I'm driving here. Yeah. And that's a, that's a cool place to be, but it is a responsibility, and it is physical, and it's training, but, but it's fucking rad. I live for it.

Did you take lessons to learn how to drum, or did you learn on your own? Own?

Um, I, I didn't really take lessons. I, I learned on my own until— I mean, like, kind of early in, in high school I played in the marching band, but that wasn't really like drums. That was like more like, like drum corps stuff, like rudiments and like, you know, drum corps shit. It not really the whole kit till later. Um, I got the school, my high school to let me, or sorry, my grade school to let me borrow the drum, the jazz drum set at the school and I'd bring it home and then I started just like listening to my favorite shit and I would just play along. And so I never really took any physical lessons. I just, it was just in me, man. I was just like, I'm really good at hearing something and going, oh, okay, I got Got it.

Did you have to learn how to hold the sticks? Do you hold the sticks in a conventional way that, like, like you're taught, or did you just figure it out on your own?

Um, just— I just figured it out on my own. Just probably just moved on from the, the forks and the spoons.

It's interesting how many great musicians learned on their own. Yeah, like Hendrix. Hendrix taught himself to play guitar. That's why he played it upside down, left-handed.

He just made it work.

Yeah, yeah, just figured out how to do it on his own. My own. It's really interesting how, like, with, you know, when you just get an instrument and listen to other people use it and learn how they're doing it and just kind of fuck around with it and figure it out, and then doing it your own way. Yeah, of course.

And then, whoa, then you got your own thing, which is— that's wonderful, man.

Well, if you think about early rock and roll versus the way drums are played, like, like you play, or like Travis plays, like some elite drummer plays, Drums are so much— it's like, it's so much more powerful now than ever before.

I know, man. God. And then that thing happens. I don't know if you've ever been around like a drum circle. The more drummers there are, like, all of a sudden it just becomes this thing. It grows into this tribal, like, dude, everybody's just being moved by rhythm. Yeah. And fuck, it's so powerful. It's like, you know, I don't know, that, that kind of— it's, it's a more aggressive power than the kind of power where you can make somebody fucking cry playing the piano, right? Playing the right chords, right? I watched them cry, right?

Yeah.

But yeah, that's fun, man. There's nothing better than, than rhythm, man. I live for that shit.

No, I can tell.

I was getting trouble all the time, man, in school because I'd always be be like, always, always, dude, can you stop tapping on the tables? Yep, sorry. Sit back in the back of class and be like, making like water drip noises. Everyone's looking around for a leak. Class clown.

Well, there's something about drums that it's like a part of like tribal culture, like from the beginning of human time. Time, like people pounding on drums. I mean, yeah, they pounded it on ships to keep pace with the rowing. You know, there was a guy that was the drummer on a ship. Yeah, you know, to keep— make sure everybody keeps pace. It's kind of wild.

Isn't that cool?

You know, they knew even back then there's something about the sound of drums that's important.

The heartbeat.

Do you ever fuck around with bongos?

Oh sure, yeah, those— a lot of hand instruments, bongos, congas. I just, the last couple years, been playing a hand drum. People call them a hang drum, hand drum, you know them? Have you seen them? They're like— they look like a fucking flying saucer.

Oh yeah, I have.

Yeah, they're really melodic, really beautiful, zen-y sounding instrument. That's cool. 'cause it's percussive and melodic, so you can come up with these really bitchin'— depending on how the instrument's tuned and stuff. But that's been a lot of fun. That, that's cool, like sort of a different kind of rhythm, but it's, it's a soothing one. It's a total opposite of the aggressive shit, right?

Yeah, right. Well, I mean, it must be fun since you've been playing drums for so long, just experiment with different things.

Mm, I love that, man. There's— I'm always searching for a new sound, you know, a new percussive sound that moves you, makes you fucking— I don't know, that gets inside you, right? Like, I'm always on the hunt, dude. I'm such a tweaker. Like, you know, find something that sonically sounds like a drum. It could be a drum, it's not and I'll make it, I'll turn it into something that sounds like a drum. And all of a sudden, you know, that, you know, I don't know, hitting on these elk horns or something sounds like a woodblock but pitched way, way down. It sounds more, sounds like a note going, mm. I don't know, like, I'm just, I love, I love percussion and rhythm, so I'm always fucking around trying to find find something that moves us, you know? That's my job.

Yeah, that's cool. I'm here to move you, man. It's a cool fucking job.

Yeah, I like it, man. It doesn't suck. No, it doesn't suck.

No. When you're working on a new song, when you're creating a new song, what is your process? Do you have a beat in your head? Do you sit down and just start fucking around until something comes to you? Like, how do you do it?

You know what, it's always different. I wish I I could say I had like a thing. I really don't, man. Like, you know, it'll be something that happened to me or something I'm experiencing will spark a word or a chant all of a sudden, you know. Then that'll— I'll pick up a fucking guitar and be like, oh, this is killer. Or sometimes they come with a beat. I'm like, oh, this is a fucking killer beat. This would be great. And then I'll start with a beat and then start, then add guitars. It's never really— there's not really like a format. I just kind of go with what, whatever sort of inspiring me at the time that feel like I need to write about. Yeah, there's not really like a way. I know a lot of people have a methodical way, like, well, I start with the lyric first, always the lyric first, nothing else is important. Okay, dude, why don't we get— why don't we get people to move first before you try to seduce them with these fucking crazy words. Actually, no one's gonna even— like a true drummer, no one's gonna even get to these fucking words if you can't get them to stay listening, right?

Or to move it. They're like, oh, this is nice, right? There's nothing like— isn't that the key moment when you're like, ooh, this is cool, before you've even heard of a lyric or a melody? That's, that's kind of my My object, like my priority is like, is it moving me?

Yeah.

Okay, let's go.

It seems like having a bunch of different methods to get there is probably better anyway.

Yes.

Because there's all sorts of different paths to get to the prize.

Right.

And having a bunch of different methods of creativity is probably better.

It's going to give you—

frees you up more.

Different results, right? Instead of being that, okay, well, it's going to start to sound the same if you keep using the same method. Yeah.

When you write, do you write down on paper or do you just—

Yeah, yeah, yeah, paper. Yeah.

Do you ever write on computer? Do you ever like just write in your own head? You ever just like—

I use a computer a lot too, a lot for— excuse me— for demos. That's a really quick way to, you know, where I can, I can present a song to the band where, you know, fuck, I play guitar, sing, drums, bass, So I'll bring in demos that—

Totally created by you.

Yeah, just sounds— they sound finished, you know, it's like, okay, and then, you know, and we'll go from there. So yeah, I always try to like, you know, not finish everything entirely because, you know, when you're in a band with 3 other guys who also create, kind of leave it open for that, but But yeah, I'd use the computer a lot to sort of compose the ideas and get them recorded, sort of produce them.

It's really beautiful that, you know, Mötley Crüe hit in 1980. Here we are 46 years later and you still love it.

I know.

That's so awesome.

Isn't that kind of crazy?

That's what everybody wants in this life.

Yeah.

Something that they're passionate about, that remains a passion. It stays, and if anything, grows as a passion. Still exciting, still enticing, still captivates you.

Yeah.

1980. I know. The world was a different place.

God.

I mean, think about where we were in the universe in 1980 and how the entire solar system is spiraling through the galaxy, which is spiraling through space. Like, we've moved how many fucking million miles since 1980.

I know, that's what— that's hard to think about.

You know, have you ever seen what the— the— you know, we always want to think about the Sun being in the center of our solar system and the planets spinning around it.

Yeah.

But have you ever seen what the whole solar system looks like, like moving through space?

Mm-hmm.

The whole thing's moving through space. It's not stationary.

Oh yeah.

It's not like we're sat there and we're just spinning around.

Yeah, and everybody else is just sitting there.

No, the fucking whole thing is hurling through space. So in 1980, we were in a totally different spot in the universe.

That's crazy. That is—

the world was different, people were different, information was different, our version of reality was different. Everything, everything was different.

Fuck.

And you rode it out from Answering machines to pagers to fucking Sidekicks to iPhones to the internet, everything.

Like, remember the Motorola brick phone?

Oh yeah, yeah, dude, you're a pimp if you had one of those. Okay, look at it. This is what it looks like. This is— see what most people think our solar system looks like, but this is what it actually is doing. Oh, it's how our solar system actually moves. So look, the Sun's hurling through space and all the planets are spinning around it as it hurls through space. Oh, isn't that crazy?

Where's Earth there?

Earth is the third planet from the Sun. Oh, the blue one right there. So just think about that.

How many rips?

Yeah, how many rips we done— have we done since 1980? We're in a different place in the fucking universe than we were in 1980. Whoa, how far—

how—

let's ask this: how far has the solar system moved through the universe since 1980? Let's ask Perplexity that.

Oh my God, that—

this is one of the best uses of AI, stupid information like this.

Yes. Yeah, it is, it is.

I'm gonna guess 100 million miles. Just a wild guess. I have no idea. I might be off by 100 million. Yeah, it's giving me light years. Well, let me see what it looks like. Roughly 2 to 3— I think a light year is a trillion miles.

Whoa, dude.

2 to 3 light years through space. Okay, how many miles is a light year? Put that in. I didn't say miles, right? But how many miles is a light year? I think it's a trillion miles.

Fuck, we're going in.

Oh, a light year is 5.88 trillion miles, dude. Okay, okay, think about that. Think about how many trillions of miles Earth has traveled through the universe since Mötley Crüe bust out onto the scene. Dude, think of that.

And a trillion is a thousand billion.

Yes, a thousand billion. How many thousand billion miles has the Earth moved through? So it was like 2 to 3— it was 2 to 3 light-years. Okay, and each light-year is how many trillion 5.88. How about that? So you're dealing with roughly 15+ trillion miles.

Dude, we're old. Old as fuck.

1980, I was in junior high school.

I don't know about old, but fuck, we've traveled.

We have fucking traveled. Yeah, fucking traveled. Yeah, but that's, that's a freaky thing to think about. About how far— how we're in a different place in the universe.

Why, thank you for that bit of information. That's nice to— to— I don't know, just—

just to think about, dude.

You know how many miles I fucking traveled, bro?

Yeah, 15+ trillion, really, just since Mötley Crüe bust out onto the scene. What was it like being that famous at 18? That had to be nuts.

It's fucking bizarre, dude. Dude, like, I don't even know how to explain it. Just imagine having the fucking— I don't know, the keys to a fucking— pretty much anything you wanted to do, try.

What was the first crazy thing you bought when you first started making cheddar?

First thing I bought was my fucking dream car. It was a fucking '82 Corvette, T-top.

Nice.

T-tops popped out.

What color?

It was a champagne color.

Oh, nice.

Yeah, it's kind of silvery gold, kind of a— yeah, fucking rad, dude. Like, all my whole—

I don't know, when you're in '82, the Corvette was one of the only American cars worth buying because in '82 they were still dope looking. They pull up a 1982 Corvette bet.

Yeah, they're still like—

Mustangs looked like hot dog shit in '82. They look fucking terrible. They look terrible. Camaros look like shit. Everything looked like shit. They were all like plastic garbage. That's still dope. Yeah, like, that's still dope today.

That's the color I had, dude.

Look at that.

That's the one.

Look at that. Make that bigger. Look at that. That is a fucking dope car today. Yeah, it's one of the only American cars from 1982 that looks dope today. Like, pull up a 1982 Mustang.

Mm-hmm.

1982 Mustang's gonna make you want to vomit. I know a lot of people that are like fans of the Fox Body.

Oh no, look at that! What is that?

It looks like a bitch, bro.

That looks like a gremlin.

It looks like straight horseshit. That's whatever the fucking Russians did to us. Or really the Nixon administration by fucking blocking drugs. Look at how ugly that is. That is fucking disgusting.

That is so— dude.

Look how fucking disgusting that is. Now I want you to do this. Pull up a 1969 Boss 429 Mustang.

Uh-huh.

Put up the pinnacle. The pinnacle of muscle cars. Look at that motherfucker.

Yeah, right?

Look at that fucking— look at the difference between 1969 and that fucking dogshit 1982 extended. Oh, motherfucker, look at that thing. America, that's a real car. But they, they blocked the drugs. They kept those car makers from having drugs, and they all make garbage except Corvette. Yeah, Corvette still stuck with that style. Style, because Corvettes were fiberglass, so they weren't as limited in terms of like the shapes. You know, they had those cool swervy lines to them, and they kept those until, oddly enough, the '90s. They started getting shitty in the '90s. Yeah, look at you, dog.

Yeah, there it is, dude.

Look at you, dog. Wow, that's crazy.

That's nuts, dude.

I wonder who's got that car.

I don't know.

Somebody has Tommy Lee's 1982 Corvette.

Somebody. They have to, you know, that thing's still running.

Yeah, probably, hopefully. Yeah, well, they— a lot of those, they take them and make resto-mods out of them now. They put like a modern engine and modern brakes and everything so they handle better, and modern suspension.

Yeah, I immediately, immediately fucking— me and my buddy just took that car and fucking put a fucking blower and injection on it. It's fucking insane, dude. In the glove box, this is before like now we have, you know, a bunch of super rad tuned exhaust, you know, you know, straight pipe shit, loud as fuck. This is before that. And we, we made a couple of cutouts in the glove box, like if the cops were to come, you just open the glove box and take these two— they're like choke levers— mm-hmm— and you pull them, pull them out, and the flaps would disconnect them and just go straight from the header out and bypass the mufflers. So just be like, ah, and if the cops were coming, you just push these two choke levers in and back to the mufflers, all quiet.

Yeah, they have switches for that now. Yeah, no, it's like custom-made cars, they have exhaust switches that do that, but they don't do it to that extent where it just goes straight pipes.

Yeah, yeah, that was fun.

That must have sounded fucking amazing, dude.

So rad.

Yeah, I mean, there's nothing like rock and roll and muscle cars. Like, those are two things that are like completely connected forever.

Yeah, another fucking rad car that I never got but I always wanted to was like the fucking Shelby Cobra. Oh yeah, the big fucking pipes blowing right, just loud as fuck. It's like 4-inch exhaust. Like, yep, dude, that shit's throaty and and just tiny little car, little fiberglass car, go-kart with a 427 in it.

Crazy power, no weight at all. It weighs nothing.

Yeah, it just does burnouts the whole time. Too much.

I have a buddy of mine who has one of those. It's nuts, like, but it freaks me out. It's like, there's no protection here if you get in an accident. Like, this is like nothing to this car. Yeah, you know, you have no roof, you don't even have a roll bar. It's like just got this little tiny windshield field, you're behind the wheel of an engine, just a giant engine with 4 wheels.

Yeah, you're done. Yeah, one bad move.

Pretty dope.

Yeah, super rad.

Yeah, like one of those, like, look at that fucking dude.

I'm sorry, but that's the fucking sickest shit.

Radical looking.

And it's— oh, look at the flared wheel.

The thing is too, they make a lot of recreations now. Yes, the old ones are worth like millions of dollars.

Dude, I know.

Yeah. Yeah, but you can get a recreation and experience the exact same thing. Sure, there's a ton of recreations now and they're fucking great and they look the same. It's like, yeah, it's not worth as much money, but who fucking cares? Just go drive it, it's awesome.

Yeah, if you just look at that thing, geez, bro, look at that thing.

Carbon fiber. Oh my goodness, look at that fucking thing. It's all carbon fiber.

Oh fuck, let's go.

That must weigh £14.

Let's go get a couple Dude, who's making that?

Click on that link. Who's making that fucking thing? Yeah, probably is. Well, I know, uh, yeah, Classic Recreations, that same company that does those dope, uh, '67 GT500s. They're making a Classic Recreations 1,000 horsepower. Oh dude, dude, it weighs £2,300. That's nuts. A thousand but the, the body, the carbon fiber body is only £88.

Unbelievable.

So it's 2,000 power, £2,000 of suspension, frame, and wheels and engine, and that's it. Look at that. That's sick. That's so sick.

That's just straight trouble right there.

That's gonna get in trouble. Yeah, or not, or just enjoy yourself.

Just fun.

Yeah, but it's America. Fuck yeah!

Fuck, I love those cars.

What else did you buy?

That was in horse—

I know, preposterous. Yeah, what else did you buy that's nuts?

When they first came out, me and my bass player bought like almost fucking at the same time. The Ferrari had come out with the Testarossa.

Oh, the Miami Vice car.

Totally, dude. Yeah. I had a car broker find me a black on black one. Oh man, just like, fuck, okay, this is insane. The listeners will probably appreciate this. You buy a fucking car for $200,000 at the time, $250,000 for the Testarossa, get it shipped from— it came in from Florida to LA. I'm pulling the plastic off the seats, this brand fucking new back it down the fucking car carrier, and I'm in. The dude's kind of showing me, you know, what's up. And I fucking— I look in this, you know, to the right of the steering wheel, there's like a—

like a—

looks like a cover. So I grab it and you open it up at that where the stereo would be. I open it up and I go, where's the stereo? The guy goes, oh, Enzo believed that the music that you should be listening to is the sound of the engine. And I'm like, well, that's fucking rad and everything, Enzo, but, but bro, I just spent a quarter of a million dollars and I want to fucking crank shit loud as fuck here and breaking the speed limit. Like, come on, gone. Who does that? And I— so I had to go— I got a stereo at the time. There was no, uh, subwoofers. There was a bazooka tube was available. You could drop— there's no room too, so you could, you could get a bazooka tube behind the seats, right? And some fucking, you know, for a subwoofer and some other speakers in the doors.

And decent door speakers. Yeah, they're decent back then.

Yeah, and Alpine receiver, but right, and I got it to bump, but I just found it fucking just shocking that like that, that much money for a car and you still don't get a stereo.

It's pretty ridiculous. Yeah, but they did sound incredible, and I totally get it. Like, there's a sound that those things make, this is just like, it's heavenly. It's totally different than the American sound of the muscle car sound. The muscle car sound's my all-time favorite, but there's something melodic about those Ferrari engines. There's like a sound just like it. Oh, there's a sound that it has. It's like, it's, it's so spectacular. It's just engineering and it's wine and pasta and a fucking windy road and just totally, you know, buongiorno. Fuck yeah, fuck yeah, man. Oh, those things are— there's something special. And again, it's a— what is that? It's a piece of passion. It's artwork. It's artwork that's, you know, made into an engineering form.

Yeah, that we get to play with. Yeah, basically a race car.

Yeah, you know, like a friend of mine, we were talking about like Ferrari. You think Ferraris are worth it? I go, listen, man, rich people aren't stupid. They're not stupid. Stupid. If Ferraris weren't worth it, they wouldn't keep buying them. Have you ever driven one?

Yeah.

No, trust me, they're fucking worth it. Yeah, like, yeah, it's a ridiculous amount of money. It's not worth it really for a normal person, but if you have like an insane amount of money and you could experience that— the thing Ferrari fucked up on big time is they took away the manual transmission. They fucked that up. Yeah, they fucked that up. Porsche is the only one who kept it. They're the only ones smart enough to realize like there's a part of the experience That you gotta fucking—

wah! Wah!

That gated shifter where you're clacking them in there in a Ferrari. Yeah, yeah, bring it back. Cut the shit. Yeah, guys are silly.

Dude, did you see the fucking electric car they just released? Which one? The Ferrari.

Oh, it's dogshit, dude. They fucked that up hardcore. That looks like a joke. It looks like— that looks like something that someone made paid for just to get engagement online, like it's fake, but it's real.

I know, I couldn't— I was like, it looks as—

this can't be those 1982 Mustangs.

Yes, it looks like a picture of the Ferrari electric car. Oh yeah, look at Ferrari, look at it, dude.

It looks so boring.

What?

It's so nothing. Look at it, even inside, like this looks like cheap dog shit.

Yeah.

Yeah, I don't understand it.

I don't get it either. I thought it was like a joke.

I know, you know, like, you know, like, look at this, it's got suicide doors, which is kind of dope.

That's kind of cool.

But you know what, it's really dope on a '65 Continental, not on this fucking thing. Look at ugly, you ugly fucking monstrosity.

That's funny you mentioned that car. That's another one of my favorites.

Oh yeah, fucking— I know a guy who's got one for sale that's a resto mod, and I'm fucking really thinking about it. It's a '65 black convertible with the suicide doors, and it's just mint. It's mint, and it's got a new engine in it, like a modern engine, and it's got fucking perfect suspension, and it looks so radical. Uh, there's something about that car, especially in a convertible, the '65.

The convertible is my— that's my jam right there.

Good luck parking anywhere. Yeah, you might as well be parking yacht.

It's a fucking boat.

It's so big. It's so big. It's so big, but it's so sick. It's just, I can't understand how Ferrari can make— now I want you to pull up a Ferrari 458 Italia. So I think the 458 is their masterpiece. I think it's the best-looking Ferrari that they ever made.

Yep.

There's a lot of them that look great. There's a lot of them that are amazing. But for me, there's something about when they came up with the 458 It just— they nailed it. You look at that, they're, oh my god, look at that fucking thing. That is a work of art. Yeah, it's so beautiful. And it— it's— a lot of people think it's the greatest Ferrari ever. When you drive— and also doesn't have a manual transmission, which sucks a fat dick. But other than that, go back to that last picture that you had of that— that one. Look at that one. Make that bigger. Look at that color. Oh, it's a shitty picture, but god It's fucking beautiful. Amazing.

Those are beautiful.

Now think of the company that made that, also made that— good— that black one right there where your cursor just was. Click on that one. Oh, baby, look how sick that is.

Yep.

And how do you go from that to that electric piece of shit you guys just released?

I don't know. You—

fuck you for doing that. How dare you?

I, I bought an FA 8, the Tributo. Oh, which is very, very similar to— yeah, that— and that fucking car is badass.

No, they make incredible cars. They make incredible— and somehow or another less douchey than a Lamborghini. I don't know how they did it.

Yeah, you know what I mean?

It's like something about a Ferrari that you have one, it's sophisticated, you know?

Yeah.

Whereas if you have a Lamborghini, like, look at this douchebag. Yeah, fucking Lamborghini These are awesome. Yeah, they're awesome.

But why is that? Why are they like attached to— I guess because it's kind of like, I don't know, I don't know, maybe rappers or something started— I don't know, they started leasing them too.

And it doesn't make any sense. It's like there's something about them that's more ostentatious, is more obnoxious.

The Doors. Yeah, maybe just like, just too showy.

I know I have a buddy of mine who loves Ferrari. He's a rich guy and he loves Ferrari. I can't drive a Lamborghini. I'm like, why not? He's like, it's just— I don't want— I feel like a douchebag. I'm like, okay, I know what you're saying. There's a, there's a real thing there, but I don't know why. Yeah, because Lamborghinis are fucking amazing.

Yeah, they fucking too have an amazing sound. Oh, different from Ferrari. It's a little higher, whinier, but sick. But they bark.

I mean, Yeah, like what is the latest Lamborghini? They have some crazy new one that they just released last year.

That's—

it's insane. It's as wide as a fucking trailer. It's huge.

Um, XJ.

I don't know the name of it. I've never had a Lamborghini.

Yeah, me either.

I drove one once on a track. It was a little loose. Um, which one's that?

Temerino? Temerario.

Temerario. That looks amazing.

Whoa, dude. Yeah, that's pretty—

ew, that one. There we go. Huracán. That's another sick one.

Oh, the Huracán.

Yeah, that's a little smaller and lighter, I think. Yeah, dude, it's also amazing you give an 18-year-old kid that kind of power in a car and you're still alive.

I, I know. I know. Oh dude, fuck. Yeah, those kind of cars will definitely check you, keep you in check too, because it's not until, you know, over 100 miles an hour, getting closer to 200 miles an hour, to where you're in that car and you're like, it hits you, you go, if I make one one fucking tiny little error here, it's over.

It's over.

It's over. Yeah, the motor's in the fucking back. Yeah, and if this thing runs into off the road or whatever, it's just gonna accordion right into me, and you're, you're, you're done.

It's kind of amazing you just buy one, you know. I thought about that now, like they have the new Corvette ZR1, it has 1,000 horsepower. Yeah, from the factory. So you could just go into a Corvette dealership, if you got the cash, slap down some money, and you have a 1,000-horsepower car that goes 0 to 60 in 2 seconds. And you just go out there and like, bye, just good luck, be safe. Yeah, like, what are you doing? How are you allowed to have that? Like, that— you should have to have a pilot's license to drive one of those things.

Totally. Or just, you you know, racetrack only, whatever.

Right, but imagine you're an 18-year-old rock star. Here you go, dude, you've got one. And back then, the Corvettes like yours, especially when you put a blower on it, those fucking things had no traction control. They had zero anti-lock brakes. There's no nannies. There was nothing to protect you. No, it was just madness. This is pure madness. Did you ever take it to a track or anything?

No, never did.

Have you ever driven around a track? You've done that? Yes, that's fun.

Yeah, that is fun. Yeah, that is fun. I went to— I spent some time at the Skip Barber School.

Oh really?

Yeah, yeah. Of course, the Libra in me has to fucking learn about everything, about the apex and study, right? Like, there's, there's a lot of physical and, you know, technical things about driving. Oh yeah. If you don't understand about going into a turn, it fucking 100 miles an hour, you're going to fucking die, you know.

So I was like, we're definitely going to spin out. Yeah, learning, learning how to do it is— was really interesting to me. It was really interesting to realize like the lines that you take. Yeah, like you don't just go in the middle of the track all the way. No, you're hugging the outside edge, then the inside edge, and cutting the lines to make a quicker time, and knowing when to brake and knowing when you accelerate and It's so interesting.

It's a lot, man.

Very technical.

Yeah.

A lot more technical than anybody would ever think. You think you're just kind of steering the car like, no, no, no, no, there's a lot of decisions to be made.

Tons.

There's a lot going on. Especially on a really windy turn like this. That's what COTA looks like. That's the track at Circuit of the Americas. And that one is like, there's so much turns and there's a long straightaway you could really fucking get after it.

Right?

Yeah.

And it's not even about the acceleration. A lot of times it's about the braking.

Yeah. I mean, braking and turning, dude. But it's like, that's one of the things that I say like is really worth it about having money, is like experiencing a great car. Because it's like an amusement park ride.

Yes.

Even when you're not even going fast, just driving normal speeds around, it's like if you're shifting your own gears and you hear that engine— yeah, yeah, it's an amusement park ride, you know. It's not, it's not just— you're not just driving a car, you're, you're absolutely experiencing something that, you know, the other people aren't. You're driving that stupid Ferrari piece of shit electric car, you're not experiencing that.

No, you know, no, no, you're just grooving on the emblem.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, they got you. Yeah, that could have been a Hyundai easily.

Dude, I couldn't believe it. I was like, they did not do this.

Well, I hope they rebound. Yeah, I hope they like smack somebody who made that and go, hey bro, they will.

I think one of the designers years was one of the guys who was involved in designing the iPhone, and it fucking looks like it. No, that's what's got— that's why it's got all the— yes. No, that—

and so that guy's awesome. How did he do that?

That started to make sense. I was like, okay.

I would ask him before I even talked to him about him, like, what kind of cars do you have? Do you have a car? What do you drive? And if he's like, I drive an Escort, like, fuck you.

Okay, get the fuck out of here. Yeah.

I have a Prius. Go eat shit. Eat all the shit that's ever been shit. Fuck you.

Out of the design room.

You can't, you can't design a fucking Ferrari just because you made an iPhone. You're gonna make it look sleek and plain. Yeah, no, it's got to look like art, you motherfucker. Someone's paying a quarter million dollars for this thing, and now a lot more.

I think the electric cars, I want to say, 3— $430,000.

I bet they're gonna sell 2, right? 2 retards. Yeah, 2 fucking super rich retards are gonna buy that fucking thing.

Nobody gonna spend $400,000 on this electric thing.

Yeah, meanwhile, the other cars they make are fucking—

yeah, I know. What the fuck, you guys?

I know. What is the latest one? What is the— what is their main one now? The sleek looking one, like the advanced version. Of the 458, like the one they have now. Like, what is it called? Uh, SF— oh, is it called SF90? SF90. Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah, SF90. That thing's insane.

That's gorgeous. Yeah, dude, that's a gorgeous car. My favorite.

How do they go from an SF90— they're selling that at the same time as they're selling the Sanka junk. SF90 is one of the most best looking cars ever.

Yeah, it's incredible.

We'll pull up a picture of one of those, Jamie. I'm on their website.

And if you— dude, have you seen the body stuff? I love the LaFerrari, the body style and the LaFerrari.

Yeah, that's it. That's the one.

Oh dude, that's got some LaFerrari in the ass end.

Oh, so this is like all the cars they've ever made. I'm on their website. Yeah. Oh no, I understand. This is all the cars that they make and all the cars they— like, that's gorgeous, man. That is gorgeous.

Hit the LaFerrari. Ferrari?

Yeah, dude, look at that thing. Jesus. What is the F80? Click on the F80. Oh my God, gorgeous, gorgeous. When it says all models, they don't have the— what is it?

What I was looking for, I was trying to find what—

I went to the website to find their newest car. I know, but I think like some of them, it's not the newest car. Like, might have been like last year, a year ago. Well, they would be sharing it somewhere on here, I would imagine. No, it's real, Jamie. We just Googled for— okay, I'm just saying, just Google, um, pull up an image of Ferrari 2024 Ferrari, uh, SF90, and you'll see it.

There it is.

That's it.

Oh, the wind.

That's, uh, that's one that's like prime for racing, but you go to images, please. There you go. That's it. So how does the company make that? Like, look how gorgeous that is. That's incredible. That's so beautiful.

I know.

How does the company make that? And then that Johnny Ivey piece of shit fucking thing.

There was like 3, 3 dudes. One dude, like, I guess designed the iPhone, and there's a couple— there's two other designers involved.

They probably work for Lamborghini. They're probably, they're probably spies. They probably, you know, they infiltrated and decided to like ruin it from the inside. Probably the same guy that made Billy Squire's music video.

Dude, that guy's got to be stopped. Fuck that guy.

He's like, listen to what I did for Billy Squire. I can do this to Ferrari. Yeah, I can tank them.

I took Ferrari down.

Yeah, with one one whack-ass fucking electric car.

As I sold them a phone design.

Yeah, just— but you know, that's what happens. Yeah, you let people— you know, you don't have enough people that are smart, that are artistic around, that are gonna look at that and go, hey, hey, hey, no.

Yeah, no. Yeah, what's with all the yes-men? There had to be somebody that went, what are we doing?

I don't know how the fuck signed off on that. Ever got greedy. Lit by someone at Ferrari. How do you not look at all the other cars that you've made and then look at that one and goes, "A perfect, a perfectione." No, no, nobody was doing that. I don't get it. No, but you know, companies make blunders. Yeah, you know, every now and then a band puts out a shitty record.

You know what, it happen, it happens, it happens. I get it.

I mean, Ferrari's still Ferrari, they'll bounce back.

But you know, guys, they can always go, "Hey, we're not in the electric car business, okay? We fucked up.

Well, that's what they probably should, because most of the other car companies that do make electric cars, people really don't want them. You know, like the Porsches, the Taycans, like, yeah, those Audis, like the Audi ones that are just like a couple of years old there, you can get it for like half price. Yeah, nobody wants them. I know, nobody wants electric cars, especially used electric cars.

Yeah, that's weird. It is.

But if you think about it, like, electronics we think of as disposable, right? You think nobody— you don't want to buy someone's phone from 10 years 10 years ago.

No, no, right?

So you don't want to buy a Tesla from 10 years ago either.

No, right?

Meanwhile, they're great. There's nothing wrong with them. Yeah, a 10-year-old Tesla, it's a fucking awesome car. Yeah, but you don't want it. Yeah, people think of electronics as something you throw out and get new. Yes, engines, that's a different story. Yeah, you know, like a 2005 Porsche, still very valuable. People love those things.

Oh yeah, those things have gone through the roof lately. Like, but the Porsches, like, I just know so many guys that are just like buying them up, collecting them.

Well, I think also as things become more electric and more numb, people like, they really love the sound of engines and the feel that you get from those cars, the actual experience of it. Yeah, you know. Yeah, it's like as things get more and more digital, I think with AI and music and everything, people are going to want want to see live performances more, you know.

And no doubt, yeah, I think they, they want that experience, the experience of like raw, live, something that makes you feel alive, something all about the experience, man, all about it.

Are you— you guys are touring again?

Yeah, coming up, um, mid-July we're out.

How fucking pumped are you for that?

A couple months. So pumped. Because I've actually— we've been home. We just— we did this big stadium tour with Def Leppard, went all around the world. That tour was fuck 2 and a half years long. Wow. Like, dude, that's insane. So, and I started to realize, I'm like, fuck, I can't remember the last time I've been home home, like, with a break. Like, we intentionally were like, let's just fucking take a year or more than a year off. And it wasn't until 2016 was the last time we had, like, taken a break. So, for me, it's just been fucking wonderful. I actually enjoyed the whole last summer at home. And, you know, going now, going into summer now, we're getting ready to go back out. But just having that time at home was really fucking cool. So I'm super pumped. The grass is always greener, dude, right? We know when you're out there fucking ripping it, you're like, this is fucking rad. And then after a while, you're like, I'd shoot my own mom in the back to sleep in my fucking bed. Bed, you know. Yeah, you know. And then, but then when you're at home too long, you're like, dude, I got to get out of here, right?

You know, I got to go fucking go do the shit. So it's, I don't know, that's a weird balance, you know.

You're, you're, you're happy until it's too much, and then, you know, what's just achieving the balance. But it's awesome that you still love it so much after all these years.

Oh man, really? Yes, dude, let me just tell— there's nothing better than— imagine, right? Let's trade places for a second. You're back there, you're playing drums, and you've been doing this for a while, long enough to see this is the fucking best in the world. You see your fans, all of a sudden your fans have had children. Now their children are on the shoulders of their, of their fucking parents who were your fans. Now they're bringing their kids to the show, and their fucking kids are on their dad's shoulder going, 'Shout, shout!' with the fucking devil horns up. And you're like, you're sitting there going like, 'Dude, that kid, what is he, fucking 10?' And he's just fucking, you know, and I just—

air drumming.

Yeah, just to see that you've sort of, you know, you've— I don't know, just you've done a full circle to where now it's the whole nother generation that's just now seeing this for the first time, and they're fucking, and you're sitting back there playing going like, that's pretty fucking incredible.

It's pretty fucking incredible.

That doesn't get old, man, to watch that happen. Is probably why the— become the reason why I love it so much. That really like puts a fucking nail in it, you know what I mean? Fuck, that's, that's like— then that can only be achieved through time.

Yeah, right.

So that's, that's nothing I've ever experienced until, until recently, in the last few years. I've— you look out and you see a whole bunch of kids, man, and they're all just checking it out for the first time, maybe.

Movie.

Wow, for sure, some of them, right? And you're like, dude, fuck, this is wild. Wild.

That's awesome, man.

Yeah, that's beautiful.

You've had an amazing life. It's been an amazing ride, and I'm so happy that you're enjoying it so much.

Thanks, bud. Thank you.

Thank you for being here, man. It was really cool, dude. Really enjoyed it.

Thank you for having me, man.

My pleasure.

It's my pleasure. I've been wanting to come by and see you and come hang out and Talk shit.

I'm glad we did it. Yeah, I'm glad we did it. All right, thank you. All right, everybody, I love you too, brother.