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We had some really good conversations. I am beyond thankful that I got to meet you when I did. I think I met you at Dave Osprey's this year, but thankfully, through some PR people that introduced me to you, and I am so damn glad I met you. The conversations that we've had and the friendship I've developed with this man is amazing and awesome. But we're not going to get into that today. We're going to spotlight him and what he because he is absolutely brilliant on many levels. Now, he's known for his expertise and his work on the liver, which many of you, if you want to hear his name and see everything, you're going to know. But what I've learned from him is that he's very, very, very well-educated on so many different aspects of health. We're going to get into a lot of different things today. But like I said, he's recognized globally for his work in liver health and regeneration. He is the founder of the Lever Clinic and Deliverance, which is now one of my new favorite supplements since he finally gave me some to try. But we're going to get into everything.
He's going to talk about his understanding and optimizing of liver function, how it helps you live longer. I'm going to grill him today on different aspects of the liver, but so many other things. Welcome, my friend, Siggy Kloubian.
Pleasure to be here. Very nice to see you again.
You too, man. I am so happy that you're here and that we live in the same area and that we get to hang out here a little bit and talk. Thanks for making time to come and see me today, brother. I appreciate it.
Yeah, of course. Happy to be here.
I'm going to quiz you today on every aspect of the liver, like I said. I want to talk to you a little bit, though, about the liver first in general. Why did you specifically pick that to be your area of expertise? Then we're going to get into the key functions and facts about the liver, especially things that people might not be aware of.
I didn't pick the liver so much as I did get picked me or life put me in that direction. My family in Switzerland were winemakers. We come from a family of basically farmers. We grow graves and viticulture with that. Then you make wine and very much associated around food and that as well and living up in the mountains, Switzerland. I was one of the best universities in the world for studying viticulture is in California, University of California, Davis. I had been sent there to learn the wine business and very much... It's interesting because I didn't realize this until recently, but taking care of vineyards is very much like taking care of patients, which you do now is they can live to be 60, 70 years old. They get sick, they have to be taken care of, and they need nutrition, and They need love and there's stress. You have to really care for them to be a great vintner. That's the growing of the vines. My best friend had passed away from a drug interaction, and so I took a step back and really went through an epiphanal experience and studied a lot of spirituality and what I wanted to do.
I said, Well, why don't I use my knowledge of chemistry and of biotech, making wine biotechnology, into creating supplements and phytomedicines to maybe prevent that and getting more into preventing that overdoses, but also that morphed into dealing with addiction. Addiction is very very complex because, and to be candid, I developed supplements and regimes to remove the physical side for the addiction. But addiction is actually much more complex. The easiest part to deal is the physical addiction. It's the psychological and the spiritual and the emotional side of it. I was doing that, and I very much specialized in Western medicine, traditional supplements using vitamins and minerals and enzymes, and very much coming from a mindset of reactive medicine, which is really Western medicine. It's changing, but it was based off, wait till you have a problem and then fix it. My mentor that helped me start my first company, I was about 20 years old, he really got me going into the supplement world and he just backed me. Didn't take anything for himself, just really saw something in me and wanted to help. He had actually eventually died of liver cancer, and my godfather died of xerosis.
I've now lost essentially three of the closest male people in my family, except for my father, due to liver deaths, basically. One was cancer, one was xerosis, and one was drug interaction. That really pushed me into that direction. Then now I've been pushed into, Okay, let me really actually study the liver. I didn't know that much about the liver. I mean, I'm a detoxification expert, but he didn't really appreciate the liver for what it is, and I was looking at it singularly and not looking at the holistic aspect or the 30,000-foot macro aspect of how the liver is so intertwined with everything. In about 2003 through now, I've just hyper-focused on the liver. The more and more I got into liver health, then liver medicine, and then Eastern medicine, and then realizing that they put the liver on a very important position as the general of the body and how key it is to everything else. I started working with traditional Eastern medicine, where I combined my Western medical knowledge with Eastern medicine and Ayurvedic and Chinese medicine. That morphed and took me more into the liver space, and more and more I got into it, the more and more complex it was and the more exciting it was, and the more that God pushed me into this need to be able to help people and to let them know about the liver and make the liver famous, because most people don't know where it is or what it does, or they just think it's for detox.
We're about 25 years behind in major research than other organs. So not only has science not paid as much attention to the liver as they should, but people don't as well. They don't really think about the liver until it's too late. By the time it's too late, you've got much bigger problem. That pushed me into developing phytomedicines, combining Eastern medicine and Western medical technology to create the medicines. And then that pushed me into diagnostics, and then we had to realize that there's a huge problem. When I started this, it was 18% of the US had fatty liver disease. It's now 40%, and it's projected to be 50 by 2030. So it's accelerating. The liver disease is up 400%, and it's getting away from us. Everything else we're pushing down. It's fascinating. Right now, I love what I do. We do education, we do lectures, we have clinics, we do scanning, we have solutions. We referrals, I mean, crazy stuff. Even now, and to get to the knowledge that I had to do was, hepatologists didn't have it. They're very close-minded in one aspect of the liver. But I had to work with the The formula took 18 years, but I had to work with an endocrinologist and gastrointestinal specialists, brain doctors, neuroscientists, herbalists, Chinese medicine doctors, hepatologist, functional medicine.
I'm an amalgamation of all these different doctors and experts that are on my team and that I've collaborated with and worked with to create the solutions that we now have. I never had any intention of going into liver health. Life took me there, and God took there to do that. So very happy. We help people every day, and most importantly, now we're obsessed with preventing people from getting... So it's incredibly rewarding. And every day I learn something about the liver. Even last Last night after having this awesome chat with one of the top neurosurgeons in the valley, one of the best in the country, we were talking about Alzheimer's, and he's very much of his wife's a nutritionist. And even though he's a surgeon, he's very much obsessed with the metabolic causes of it. Then we started talking, and then I went deep dove into some research, and the link between... Because we got an Alzheimer's discussion. The link between liver disease and Alzheimer's is huge. It's there. It's proven. I didn't know that. I knew all There's a lot of things about the liver, but I know the brain liver axis was so dynamic and so incredible, and they're so interconnected and bi-directional.
But I had no idea the Alzheimer's link until today.
Michael Jordan didn't stop shooting jump shots, right? He said, The best because he practice all the time. There's probably things you could learn every single day.
Oh, yeah.
That's the key to it. I love hearing that. Let me ask you this, on the important scale, every organ is important because they wouldn't be there if they weren't important. But most people tend to focus, and I think rightfully so, on the heart and the brain. But just how vital and important is the liver to our just overall consumption of who we are.
The liver has thousands of functions, 500 of which are vital. So your skin, your hair, the brain acts as energy source. I mean, your furnace for your energy is also your liver. It's like another function it does. If you and I get up and go play basketball or walk around, the energy that we're using is the liver burning it. But the liver is also controlling and mastermining and organizing all of your nutrients and all of your vitamins and all the protein that we do. It's definitely a master organ. The reason it's called the general is because it controls all the other troops and it controls all these other organs. It's signaling to each of them, communicating with them, and it's cleaning the blood, and it's a gland, so it's creating hormones, which is both functions, and women's hormones, longevity. I mean, it is key. It's so complex that we cannot replicate it with technology. We can do it. We can do a heart, we can do kidneys, we can do lungs. But the liver, its regenerative ability is so incredible, and the amount of stem cells and how it's constantly, constantly growing. Technology can't even come close to replicating it.
That's because you have to have... It's also like a computer because it's also making decisions, and it's intuitively intelligent. It's talking to the brain all the time, and the brain and the liver, not only are they intrinsically linked, but they speak to each other via hormones and through the vagus nerve and through signaling and transmission. It's chatting all the time with all the other organs. You can absolutely smash it and mess it up and abuse it and take 90% of it could be damaged and it'll come back. No organ in the human body fully regenerates.
It's like Wolverine.
It's like Wolverine. It fully regenerates, comes back. Even skin, though it regenerates, it's scarred. You can tell it never the same. Lever just comes back. It's constantly, constantly, constantly regenerating.
Well, and things have to be made to pass through the liver. A lot of supplements, a lot of steroids, a lot of things like that. They're made to pass through the liver. Why is that? Because the liver is in control and it's making sure what goes through is good or bad. Is that what it is?
Or explain it. Everything. We eat something, goes into the stomach, stomach breaks it down. You're It liquefies it, small intestine starts pulling stuff out, and then it goes into your blood. Then your blood is running into the liver, and the liver is then organizing it. So okay, vitamin A, we'll put it here. Vitamin D, we'll put it here. This is a toxin, we'll get rid of it. This is an unknown threat. We'll create an enzyme to break it down. This is a different enzyme, we'll create a different enzyme to break that down. Or it could be you've got a psoriology, and then it's also the red blood cells, and it's helping with your kidneys to clean the blood. So as it breaks things down and metabolizes things. The byproducts of those have effects, negative or positive, but it has to deconstruct, organize, manage, and then distribute as needed throughout the body what that is. If you want it, most drugs are metabolized by the liver, most things are. But especially the liver has to go through that and break it down. If the liver sees it as too much of a threat, it'll just get rid of it or break it down.
But it'll pull out the good bits as well.
When things are altered, just get through and bypass the liver, is that trying to trick it, basically?
Yeah, you're trying to trick it or mask it. It's like a thing with detoxification is, and I spent a large part of my career creating detoxification products, and we would try to trick the liver or invigorate the liver or try to tell the liver to go into detox. Detox is like a three-part process, and it's rather complex. That was what I could call a Yin or an active approach to it. You I used to practice that. Now I don't. We actually do what's more of a Yang or passive, which is the liver is going to make better decisions on detoxification than we ever could. Now it's like, we looked at it from the completely different paradigm, which is, how do we give the liver everything it needs and the support it needs to do detoxification as it sees fit and to then give the liver more oxygen and more fluid and make sure it's softer and Squishier and boost to help the kidneys and help to... We're doing everything we do now is to help the liver do its thing. Yeah, that's how... A lot of drugs do that. A lot of how the Western drug system works now, partially it's because of pharmaceutical industry, but also is they want to know what one mechanism of action and the one mechanism of action.
That's why for our products or formulas, there's multiple ones. It's not that simple to do it. Some drugs, while they're tricking or triggering or saying to do one thing, they're not spending enough time looking at what other effects is this causing downstream, how is it affecting that? That's what side effects are. Kind of like with the M&RA gene therapy is that you lose control of it, and it's growing around and it's tricking the body to do something, and there's no off switch. That's where you get blood clots and all these things, too. The further you get away from nature and from the natural body, the more problems you can run into because you're- Because it's what God intended. It's not what God intended. You're playing with things. To a degree, obviously, certain medicines are incredible, like certain antibiotics and certain real vaccines, like smallpox and stuff, have been game-changing. Drugs do have a place, but overuse of them and causes liver damage and cause other problems and weird side effects. People are getting arthritis from this or that, too. One of my heroes is Benjamin Franklin, and he always You never learn anything with your mouth open.
So listen. It's true.
Yeah, that's a good point.
You got to listen to the body. That's how we formulate now. We try to prevent it in medicine and root causes listening.
Let me ask you this. This seems to me that a lot of things have a side effect that says it can cause liver problems. There's a lot of drugs, a lot of things that it seems to be very transient to causing liver problems. Is there something Is there something that is specifically done within these drugs or within a lot of these things that consistently points to causing potential liver damage?
Well, because a lot of the drugs are chemicals, and those chemicals can cause damage, they can cause stiffness, they can affect other organs. That's why liver disease is up 400%. The reason it's up 400% in 50 years, and it's accelerating, is because of the mass introduction of processed foods, synthetic foods, fake chemicals in the food, preservatives, and pharmaceuticals. Still, to this day, the number one cause of liver failure and liver damage is, I don't know, paracetamol is what we call it in England, or acetaminophen is the term for it, and it actually dissolves liver tissue. At small doses, it can help with a headache, but too much of it, or using it too often, or mixing it with alcohol, or mixing with another chemical, can cause severe liver damage. It actually dissolves the liver tissue. Because you want to avoid... Because scarring, whilst the liver does repair, it's very difficult to get rid of fibrosis. You get these channels or these veins look like roots, really. That's that scar tissue. When those connect is when you start to get serosis. Then you've trapped all this lovely healthy tissue, and it can't regenerate because it's been deprived of oxygen and energy and blood, and it then dies, and you get these spots.
But that's what it's driving. I mean, also herbicides, pesticides, insecticides, all those things. You can't introduce 100,000, 150,000 synthetic manmade materials into the human biome, into the body. In 100 years, we haven't evolved to even do it. It took us thousands of years just to evolve to eat grains or to eat to do a sugar. That's where a lot of cultures that didn't have sugar, like Native Americans, Aborigines, Polynesians, they'd never had sugar, so they'd never developed. The liver hadn't evolved to break it down, so they get diabetes really quick. Okay. That's why? Because they haven't evolved that. Just like European evolved against measles and a lot of diseases, but when they came to North America, The Indigenous population hadn't. So evolution, the body's catching up. It's trying to, but too much too quick.
People that aren't seeing video right now. I had a big scowl when you brought up Tylenol. It does because some of the most brilliant people that I know, you being one of them now have consistently brought up that no one should ever touch or go near Tylenol. That's one of those things that people get so angry about and upset. It's like, Dude, we don't have a problem. This isn't a bash on Tylenol. It's a simple fact. I would like it if you could go into a little bit more detail about that just to get a nice... Because you're one of those people that just gives it like it is. You don't pick sides. That's what I love about you. That's why I want to get you a little bit more insight from you on it, because I just want simple truths. I don't give a shit what side anybody's on. I just want to know the fact of the fact of the fact. Could you break down exactly in good detail, which I'm sure you have, just what it is about Tylenol in general that people need to be at least aware of, the damages that it can do and why?
Yeah. Let me start with the headaches. The first thing with a headache is your body talking to you, and there's a reason usually behind it. It could be inflammation, it could be toxicity. Most of the time, it's dehydration. I always tell people, first thing is drink water. A lot of time it's your brain. I mean, your brain is 70 plus % water. If you're dehydrated, your brain will start giving you a headache and says, Listen, we're getting some more water. That's one. If you do need something, I always say ibuprofen, it's tough in the kidney, but you bounce back from it. That's what I'll take an Advil. I try not to, but if I need something, pain sucks, so I'll take that. Tylenol, specifically, the chemical compounds that are in it, like acetaminophen, it actually dissolves liver tissue. What's happening is when you're taking it and then you're metabolizing it, the chemicals that are actually causing, so it's causing damage, and then the liver is trying to repair, and then it's causing damage. Then if you take too much of it, the damage overwhelms the ability to repair. Then you can magnify that when you drink alcohol.
It's like you think, okay, let's just say, dig out, but let's say a sword causes two points of damage. Or so Tylenol causes two points of damage. Alcohol causes three points of damage. If you take both, oh, so it's five points. No, it's 20. Wow. Because it quantifies.
Okay.
You like, it's now multiplying, and then that's causing even more damage, and then that's affecting things. Then it's getting inflamed, and it's causing inflammation, and It's also confounding basically the liver's ability to do its job. Then other toxins are affecting it as well. Then if your liver is out of whack, it's ability to get rid of other toxins, so that can also cause more. You start to get into this vicious cycle of damage. I was with the really interesting lady. She used to be charged of poison control for the Western US. She was based in Denver, the Rockies. We were talking about liver health, something. She was saying that the biggest overdoses they get on Christmas are actually teenagers that have overdosed on Tylenol. Because a lot of times, that's probably the easiest access to a drug, and they'll take too much. What happens there is they get severe liver damage, liver failure, and There's a lot of times you might have to do a liver transplant because you've destroyed so much of the liver that now it's like, Okay, we're going to have to put you on the transplant list. Because it's dissolving liver tissue, it's the simplest way for people to just imagine it.
The chemicals in it dissolves liver tissue. It's like a way to explain it would be like it's like acid eating this couch, right? If you put something on it, eat it away. That's what it's doing to the liver. It's interesting about Tylenol, we work a lot Maha and Bobby Kennedy and some really cool initiatives. They had come out and discussed that there might be a link with Alzheimer's and Tylenol. The Amish community has very low or almost unheard of Alzheimer's, and they don't take it with Tylenol. There's some interesting canaries in the coal mine that you can look at. I remember thinking, this is a worry that we have to have with AI, and especially with ChatGPTs and stuff like that. Ai is incredibly useful for diagnostics and all kinds of things, but it's also very manipulative as well. If it's an open AI, it can be very much done. A lot of people now were... It used to be the oracle was what it used to, obviously God or to yourself, which we should do. People start going to search engines and they get the answer. Then that, because of how much that's controlled now by advertising and money and stuff like that, that's manipulated by money as well.
And now people went to AI and they think, well, ChatGPT said that, or the AI said this. So that's like this new false, like Oracle. And an example was, I remember because when you do a search now, it'll pop up AI, and it was Tylenol, it could liver damage. So we always talk about Tylenol and paracetamol if you're in England. And there was Results would come up. We watched this actually real-time. So that news broke about the link between Tylenol and Alzheimer's. The drug companies were like, Shit, we need to put a stop on this. In the morning, if you would have done a search, it would have really discussed about all the damage and stuff that Tylenol does. By that evening, ChatGPT was telling you, Oh, no, then there's no link to Alzheimer's, there's no link to this, that, blah, blah, blah. That's very simple because at the end of the day, AI just takes what you give it, and then it regurgitates it out the other side being this, too. All you need to do, and all they did, is they just pump tens and tens of millions of dollars into data, and you flood ChatGPTYeah, let's do it.
With that, so it's now spitting out the answer. It's very easy to manipulate it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. If you got big money.
Yeah.
I remember seeing it, I was like, Wow. You obviously can't trust this anymore because we just watched it from the morning to the evening. The entire narrative on Tylenol was changed as a reaction to what Bobby Kennedy had brought up about the Tylenol link as well. It's funny because if you search it now, it's way less nefarious than it was when it was real open source. Now it's being manipulated, the data. But it's still, you ask anybody, ask any hepatologist or any doctor, and you deep dive on it, it's still number one cause of liver damage, more than alcohol, more than anything. There's so many other alternatives if you've got pain. It's not a good thing to do. Another one is Xanax, actually. Xanax takes about seven years to get out of your liver. Really? From a pharmacological perspective, any good pharmacist will tell you it's a very dirty drug. So If you really need a chill pill, there's Valium and there's lirazbapam, there's other things you can take. But Xanax, specifically, that chemical that sits in the liver. You'll have overdoses to where, I think this is what happened to Heath Ledger is he used to abuse Xanax.
He had stopped taking Xanax. A couple of years later, he had taken another... He was sober for a long time, and he took another drug. But that drug mixed with the Xanax that was still in his liver, and that's where it killed him. You see that a lot, actually. Some of those drugs that sit there, because most drugs get out of your system in 72 hours. Because they're bad. Your body gets rid of them. But some of them, they burrow in and they sit there. That's why Xanax is super dirty. I always say, once again, for whatever reason, if you're prescribed, you need a chill pill, and you're forced to do that, at least take something cleaner. If you really need a headache, take an Advil or an Ibuprofen, drink some water. I did not know that about the Xanax. Wow. Yeah. That's a really dirty... Pharmacognitically, it's very dirty as well.
I've always had those on hand for panic attacks, and I've used one a year for the past, I don't know, few years, but I'd try to never touch them.
Yeah, but it's values in and out. Wow. Yeah. Same effect, really. Yeah.
Yeah. Whoa. Okay, that's another fun-to do.
Now, to pass you judgment on whether to take it or not to take it. But if you need to take a pill to chill out, the anxiety sucks, too, right? Yeah. If I had a massive anxiety, I'd take a volume. You If that's going to cause you distress or cause you more damage than the Valium will.
I used to get the panic attacks. Most of it, I think, was from too much smoking pot, but I stopped smoking pot and they stopped. But that's a different story.
Certain pots will do that, like sativas and stuff, too, because of the neurological effect. That's why if you've got certain psychosis, it can be actually very bad because it can exasperate or accelerate those psychosis issues or anxiety issues. That's why the form is like an edible Because it's more of a body high. That's where for cancer patients, it's better because it's just you're not getting the mental effect. I used to get actually probably certain, especially the marijuana that's around today because it's so hybridded. It's a different level than when I was a kid. You spoke to a joint, you chilled out, listened to regular music and giggled, right?
The brick weed is just very simple. I mean, now there's so much shit going on. You don't even know what you're actually even smoking.
Oh, my God. Then you got the chemicals because it's in the vapes and stuff.
Oh, yeah.
Kind of like the old school, just to look at joints. I did. I started smoking it back when I was 11, and I stopped.
I gave it up for lent. I have to ask my wife. I think it's been over two years. I was going on 30-some years, and I just... I gave it up for lent because I was lent, you're supposed to be giving up something that draws you away from God. I thought, Man, maybe this is. I noticed that I was starting to struggle with the panic attacks once I switched to vaping from actually smoking floured. That's when it started, and I've always been under the impression of, Oh, I think clear. I'm more enthralled into what I'm doing. I'm convincing myself because I like to smoke fun. But once I stopped, honestly, I have felt so much more clear and the far less frinquencies, some anxiety and panic. But I think part of that was due to the vaping, to be honest with you, that was supposed to be so much cleaner. I think it was making things worse. But I want to touch on some of the relations of diet with liver in general. So one, are there any foods or types of diets that you recommend are good for the liver? And two, are there foods that could be potentially doing harm there?
We know the process stuff and the seed oils and things are obviously not good for multitudes of But are there others that we may not be aware of that could be causing harm?
I've been seeing this in thousands of people we scanned was actually diet sodas. Oh, I believe it. Everybody's running around drinking diet soda thinking they're doing a good thing because they were programmed. It's almost like a virtue signaling, I drink diet soda. But there's chemicals. We started seeing, why are these teenagers having fatty liver disease? They're like, Diet soda, diet soda, Red Bull. Okay. Then the parents don't, but they're older and they drink alcohol eat meat, but it's a diet soda. Basically, the liver, as it says intelligent, it understands sugar, it understands fat, it understands alcohol. But it doesn't understand all these chemicals, and those chemicals are overwhelming the liver, and the liver is now seeing that as a bigger threat. I was always saying, you have a higher chance of getting diabetes and a higher chance of fatty liver disease if you drink diet soda. Everybody thought it was crazy. It's like, Yeah, but you're not taking as much sugar in. How does that make sense? How are you going to be You're prediabetic if you're not really drinking any sugar? You always get a little bit of sugar. But what's happening is these chemicals are overwhelming the liver's ability, and the liver is prioritizing this threat versus the sugar and stuff it understands, so it lets that go through.
So yes, the gross intake of sugar is so much less, but the sugar that is going in is being stored, and you're short-circuiting your liver's ability to break these down. And then this big study came out. I think it was Harvard. Dr. Gerresheimer sent it to me, and I got a copy my phone. You have a 38% higher chance of type 2 diabetes as a diet soda drinker than a regular soda. The science has now caught up with these things that we were suspecting. That's something I think that people don't realize, and a lot of people I mean, even in this country, even Peter Attia was saying when he went to Stanford Medical School, days he spent on nutrition, zero. Doctors don't know that much about nutrition and how good food is. The public knows even less. The public's thinking you're busy with their lives and they're like, Okay, light. This should be healthy for me, or diet this, or fat-free. It's chemical. Anything that has chemicals in it or that has those, as I say, chemical shitstorm is what you need to think of if you see diet light or fat-free. That is that a lot of people don't understand that.
You'd be much better off eating butter and some beef and a glass of wine to drink a diet soda and eating a light meal, literally from a liver damage perspective. Totally. But things that are really good for the liver. So deep greens, beets are really good for the liver. Water is very good. Coffee is very good for the liver.
Wheat.
Yeah, coffee is fantastic for the liver. I remember I had a good chat with Dave Asprey, and obviously, he's changed the whole coffee game. We were talking about coffee, and I went and did some deep research on it. You have about 40 to 60% less chance of liver cancer if you're heavy coffee drinker. Sweet. We just have to be careful what you put in the coffee. That's where you can run a foul because it's like what type of milk. It's interesting because I used to put a lot of honey or sugar in my coffee years ago. Obviously, stop doing sugar because then I would... Okay, white sugar is evil. So raw sugar is better alternative. Then it's like, Okay, honey, which is good for you. Yeah, the honey. But it's interesting how your brain gets programmed to like sweet. You have to come off It's almost like having a sweet addiction. And your taste bud has changed because if you've been drinking sweet coffee the whole time, and then you go and have a regular coffee, like, Eel. All right? You got to... You're like, This tastes like shit.
Try protein powder in there, man. I do protein powder and a little bit of it's SCT oil. I don't do MCT. So SCT oil, that's what I put in mine, and it is just like, oh, my gosh, it's glorious.
It's the next level. It's the next level. And the boys taught me about that. Yes. Where I got it from.
That's where I got it from. I have it three times a day. It is like one of my key- You put butter in it, too, or just the- No, just the SCT, and I put some... I go in and, I hate to say formula. I pick my own protein powder, so I design my own blend because I'm a big animal protein, and I do the beef protein isolate with a little bit of collagen, and it's a chocolate brownie, natural-flabored. Man, that is all I put in there together. Really? Oh, my gosh, brother.
It is like- You got to give me that recipe I'll give it to you for sure. I learned that about SET oils. I knew about them, but really learned about them. The voice on that as well. But the coffee is very good. Water is obviously killer. Then it's More importantly is we can't run around being terrified of toxins because they're all around us and we're getting them always. Is reducing the toxin. So washing your vegetables, getting the pesticides off, rinsing your fruit, doing things like that, clean water. That's some of the ways that we can start to reduce the toxicity because your body can get by and make do in certain areas. Fasting is very, obviously good for the liver, but your liver is actually really good.
I was going to go there.
Lever is fantastic.
I was going to bring that up next about what is it that eating liver is? Why is that so good for us? And what effect does it have on the actual liver?
Well, it's so high in things like iron and minerals, vitamins, and it's so densely packed with those. That's why in nature, a lot of animals, the first organ they'll eat is the liver. If they're well fed, they'll just eat the liver and they'll leave the rest because it's so dense and it's so good for you. Iron is good for you, too, especially people that are anemic or they're maybe low on iron or maybe they're not metabolizing or they're not absorbing a lot of supplements. Livers are really the way to go. My little boy, my wife and I, he doesn't like meat. I don't think it's meat. It's just texture. He's real funny. He's certain things he likes, but we can get him to eat bolognese. Really? Yeah, because it's not the meat thing. I think it's a texture thing, color thing. Kids are fickle.
I was the same way.
We'll actually get ground meat with some liver ground in it, like organ meat, because it's so high. Or in smoothies, especially if you do a berry smoothie where you can hide it, is you take the beef liver capsules and just empty them out. That's how we get our little boy A lot of those essential minerals and proteins and ions is through liver pills. Yeah, that's amazing. That's a good little hack.
I have the Force of Nature Ancestral Meats is what I eat. I always get the liver and heart in there. It It's so damn good. I literally do that five days a week, man. I did the no fat thing. I'm a nutritionist, but I had an eating disorder, and I was terrified of fat until about a year and a half ago. Right before I met you, I started changing my I'm telling you, man, that the higher fat diets, I will argue the low fat diet is what gave me some of the heart ailments that I had and a lot of the problems that I was having that are night and day different now. That shit that is in low fat foods, I want you to talk about that. What do they put in fat-free and low fat foods to make them low fat? They strip all the nutrients out by doing that.
Yeah, they strip them out, and then you've got certain preservatives and then binders, and then you've got gums to bring it together. Preservatives are When you think about it, you're putting a manmade chemical into an organic material to prevent it from spoiling, which is a natural thing. That has the same effect when it's in your organs. It'll gum up and stall and forego the process of your body doing this actual functionality. You've got those, then you've got, obviously, the pesticides in those, and some of these are chemicals, so the liver doesn't understand them as well. Then they've taken out other... Because you need other things to counteract things. It's like If it's got pulp in it, the pulp produces the enzyme to break the sugar down so you don't get the glycemic index, spikes and everything you do. But if you take a juice and you've no pulp in it, you've taken out the good bit and left basically the diabetes bit. I didn't know that. You need the pulp is part of that equation. That's right. If you eat fruit, you don't have that problem because you're getting all the pulp.
I like the juice with the pulp better than anything. I always want a heavy pulp.
Yeah. And molecularly, the sugar molecule and alcohol molecule are almost identical, and they cause about the same damage. I was with this top hepatologist in London having lunch, and this little kid would cruise by and had a juice box. The hepatologist, he said, You see that juice box right there? I see a kid. He said, Yeah. He said, Would you let that kid have a beer? I go, Of course not. It was a ridiculous question. He says, Well, that juice box is causing as much damage. It's just not going to use drunk, but because it's filled with high fructuous corn syrup and preservatives and E colors, which are fake food colorings as well, that'll cause maybe even more damage. I remember that. That was really like, it blew me away. I was like, Never thought about it that way because you don't really think about it. You wouldn't. No matter what you buy, always turn the box around and look at it, too. One of the ways that they hide artificial things is Sometimes natural flavorings. I hate that. Sometimes they're real. You got to look at who the company is. My wife's a nutritionist, too, so she's on it.
Oh, natural flavorings. I'm thinking, but sometimes they are natural flavoring. We'll research the company and say, Okay, they are. But that's a mask that they hide it in. Then they strip things out. Here's a great example. You look at the tobacco industry. The tobacco industry was obviously under a lot of fire, and they were going through all the stuff they were going through, and they weren't allowed to put more nicotine in the cigarettes. I was like, Oh, we can't put more nicotine. How do we make them more addictive? Put a chemical in the cigarette that opens up your receptors to where more nicotine gets into the blood. So you're altering your basically blood chemistry in order for more nicotine to get into the body to crave it more. They made a great movie about it, actually, with Russell Crow and Al Pacino and about how this huge exposé, and he was the most complex scientist molecular level you could think of. And that's what they did. Well, if we can't put more nicotine in it, we'll just put other chemicals to alter it. Remember, if you follow the trail, all the tobacco companies bought big food.
The same people that were manipulating our genes and our body chemistry to make the cigarettes more addictive have done that with sugar and with preservatives and MSGs and all these things to where you crave certain stuff. Then you get McDonald's where the masters have figured out this type of chemical cheese releases this many opiates. It's called a queso-opiate. It's basically a form of like, which is opiates and morphines in the cheese. But we trigger it to where you need some salt and sugar. We sugar the fries, and then you get the salt from the fries, and then you get the sugar and high fructose corn syrup from the Coke, and you just have this amazing euphoric effect. That's why when you eat it, it tastes really good when you eat it. But when you get done, your body's like, My God, that was terrible. But they're playing tricks on your biochemistry and your liver to make them more addictive and then trying to trick your brain into making it think you're getting almost a high from it. And that's what they do. And so they're doing that with the foods as well. So processed foods.
So the best thing is just do as natural as you can. It's better eat less and eat natural. I know it's expensive, but there's farmers markets, there's things you can do. You can eat less and eat things. They always turn the back of the packet. Amazon is another great... Not Amazon, no. It's actually Whole Foods, which is now owned by Amazon. But Whole Foods used to be when it was started in Austin, it was amazing. It was a great place to go and to try to get away from all this crap food and this manipulative food and industrial complex. It slowly started to lose a A little bit of that as they got bigger, and obviously, they follow the money and it got bigger, bigger. But it was still generally pretty good. Fast forward to about 24 months after Amazon bought it, you go back and even just go get the chicken salad from the deli. You think this is fresh. You look at the ingredient list or the bread. It is filled with chemicals now because it's more profitable, it's more addictive, people eat more of it, it's cheaper to make, it lasts longer, all these things.
They get even a great company like Whole Foods has been totally corrupted. I always just look at It's easy. We can all do that. Just look at the back of the pack. What does it say? There are things that are hidden. For instance, how McDonald's washes the meat in ammonia. It's a manufacturing process, so it's not an ingredient. There are ways that they hide stuff in there. But we can't running around being, like I said, being stressed, obsessive, but just turn the packet over. Okay, if it's natural, it's going to be pretty good for your liver, and it's going to be generally pretty good for you in moderation. Too much sugar, obviously, is not good, but fats are incredibly essential. It's right in the morning for breakfast, the best thing to eat is to have, if you don't fast or your first meal, you're breaking your fast breakfast, or it's a 12 if you're doing intermittent, is you want protein and fat. Yeah, absolutely. Not dessert. Cereals, that's dessert food. You want to go fat, protein, which is what- Absolutely. I mean, that's what we evolved to run around to do is we lived off of fat and protein, and then you supplement with some fresh fruits and some nuts and some berries and veg.
That's right. I love vegetables. It's funny that Randall hates vegetables out of the way. You were talking vegetables? Yeah. Really funny.
I love vegetables, too.
I love vegetables. My wife love vegetables, but just protein, fat, vegetables, Clean water, drink, don't stress. That's the best thing you could do for your liver.
I don't- Long answer. Yeah, no, it's phenomenal. I don't eat a breakfast, so to speak, but when I leave for a morning walk, I want something. I go straight the yogurt that I have protein powder in. But I used to eat that fat-free bullshit yogurt. When I switched to the full fat yogurt, so that's what I have in the morning, full fat yogurt with some strawberries and the protein powder. It's full of protein because I got the protein from the Greek yogurt and the powder, the fat from the yogurt, and then a little bit of the berries for a little bit of carb and the good- Antoxidants. Yes, and the antioxidants, which is what I want in the morning.
And your gut biome loves you. That's right. Yogurts, kefers, sauerkrauts, kimchi. Yeah. All those are so good for your gut biome.
I wait for coffee for about 2 hours till I'm up because I don't want to have caffeine right away. I do that, and then I go walk for like 40 minutes. I do like three miles of walking, then come home and have the coffee. But I've gotten the good fuel already. I can't eat early in the morning for some reason. It just doesn't sit right with me. But the fat and the protein is so important. I'm so glad you said that. Man, I'm telling you, the years of fearing fat and now to I've seen, the way that it's changed. I'm going to relate that now to what I wanted to bring up to you about my liver. I'm going to relate what you tested on me to what you do. For people that don't know, you go do your tests at a lot of the big biohacking conventions amongst your clinics that you do. But we'll get into that, the Fiberscan, what it tests, why it's important. Then I'm going to correlate I take that into the scores I got, and we'll go over my scores. I put them on my phone so that I could see the evolution of them.
First of all, let's talk about the liver clinic, and then we'll get into the fiber scan and what it is and why it's so important. But what is the liver clinic?
Once again, diagnostics was never a goal of ours, but we spend very much about evidence and data-driven and evidence-based. But I've got a good balance between left brain and right brain. When we were doing clinical studies, I spent close 20 million on clinical research and stuff and studies to do the product to create deliverance. We were doing all these tests, and I was learning more about fatty liver. We were relying on what everybody is relying on, which is your blood biomarkers for the liver. You get your panel done and it looks at cholesterol and it looks at kidney function and the liver panel. We were saying, so it doesn't... More of what we realized it, we're like, actually, liver panel on a blood test isn't telling if you've got fatty liver. If your liver enzymes are off, that could be indicative of inflammation or liver problem. It could be, but it doesn't tell you. We said, Well, let's start scanning people. We did ultrasounds, and we still to this day use all the technologies. Ultrasound, but ultrasound will just say fatty or not fatty, not specific enough. It's good if you're trying to look Find a tumor, it's inexpensive and it's quick.
Then we did MRIs, but MRIs are very expensive. They're very uncomfortable. If you're claustrophobic, they're a nightmare. We had a patient the other day, real bad patient. We had to do MRI for confirmation, and we had to give him lirazepam because you get posto phobia. Mri is not a great experience. Cat scan is not specific enough. We generally use MRIs, FibroScan, which I love, which is FibroScan is the technology It's called shear wave elastography. What it is, is it uses sound and vibrations, and it pulses into the liver. Because the liver is the healthier the liver is, the softer and Squishier it is, it sends these vibrations through. Then As it reverberates, it's like you smacked a bump, like it jiggles. Your liver does that, but we're doing it with pulses of sound and vibrations. With that, depending on how quick the sound moves and the vibration moves to the liver, we can tell how much fat there is and how much scarring or stiffness there is, because if it's inflamed or it's scarred, you can do that. It's this incredible technology, 4,000 papers that's used all over the world. I really fell in love with fiber scanning.
There's other companies that use SureWave now, but this is the French brand, which is really high quality, which I like. We started doing that. We started comparing the data. We're like, Okay, let's see. All these people have fatty liver disease with FibroScan. We went and confirmed it with MRI, but their blood tests are fine. We realized that's why 90% of people with fatty liver disease-Don't know. Don't know, they haven't. We've had people that have come in and thought they had fatty liver disease. I'm like, Okay, what gave you this conclusion or how were you diagnosed with it? They're like, Oh, my liver panel is off. Lever panel is not going to tell you if it's off because at the end of the day, it's a lagging indicator. You just might have had an infection, you might have been bit by a spider, you might have had some food point. There's a million things that could do it. So it's a one snapshot in time. It could be indicative of liver damage or liver stress, but it's not going to tell you if you have fatty liver and vice versa. Some people think they do when they don't.
We said, How do we... It's a great Hindu saying, and it's, How do you wake somebody up that doesn't know they're asleep? How do we let all these people know if their liver is healthy or if it's not healthy? Because they're getting a very small amount of data from a blood test. We got into the Fibro scanning. Then we said, Okay, Mayo Clinic has Fibro scans. In London, where we're based, the government, because this is socialized medicine, we said, Okay, we want to start sending patients for a scan. They said, Yeah, it's about a one to two-year waitlist. I'm like, Oh, my goodness. Then it was okay. But to even get on the waitlist, your blood panel has to be off. Then if your blood panel is off, they send you home, and then you come back and get another blood panel. Then if that's off, they send you for an ultrasound because it's cheaper. Then even to get one, I'm like, So we need to bring this to the public because this technology is great. Everybody uses it, Harvard, Cornell, University of London, ASU, all the great hepatologists have it, but they use this technology for sick people that are already sick.
They say, Well, this technology, it's relatively an It's expensive. It's quick to do. It's so safe you can do if you're pregnant, if you've got a pacemaker. The software is so intuitive that operator error is very difficult. Mri, at the end of the day, is only as good as the level of MRI, but really the person reading it, the review, because that's what's so key. That's where AI is actually very effective to be used to also do diagnostics on an MRI report. We went into fiber scanning and just love it. We We're going to Atlanta to this really prestigious country club this week. I'm going to give a lecture to the members, to all the who's who of Atlanta. Then we do a scan day. We pop up, we rock up with the machine, and we'll scan the members, and we'll do one every 10 minutes. They come in, they pull their shirt up. I just love it because it's so easy. We've democratized it by, instead of it sitting this piece of kit for people that are sick, we want to give it to everybody because we want to prevent you from getting sick.
Everybody should get this screen, and you can see where you're at, and you'll know where you're at, and it's gold standard as far as effectiveness. Then if we see something really bad, then you go get an MRI. I remember the Ecosense people, they're the ones that make fiber scans. They're like, Okay, what's your patient pathway for this, this, and chronic illness? I said, Well, we're not scanning sick people. What do you mean no scanning? They couldn't get their head around it. I said, We're going to be scanning the 90% of people that are not yet sick so we could prevent them from getting sick. We're going to just be scanning people en masse before because I practice root cause medicine or functional medicine and it's preventing you from getting ill. I love this quote. I say it I was like, but you always ask, and I'll ask it, I'll be doing a lecture, maybe even at school or at a room, and I'll say, Well, when did Noah build the Ark? People like, Before the flood. Before the flood? Before the rain. That's really what functional medicine and root cause medicine is before it even starts raining, you need to be ready.
That's right. That's why we really got into the fiber scanning, but there was no where to send our patients. We just said, We're just going to have to open up our own clinics. Then what we wanted to do is we partner with existing clinics. We say, Listen, how'd you like us to come in? We'll be your liver clinic within your clinic. We'll provide the machines, we'll have the training. If they are sick, we'll help take care of them and then refer them to a pathologist or an endocrineologist or an MRI. But to screen everybody to do that, so we did that. Then we were here, and we called up Mayo, and we said, Can you do a cash pay for a FibroScan? They're like, Yeah, $1,400. I was like, Oh, it's okay. Well, we'd like to start sending you patients. I said, Well, they have to be a patient of ours for us to even do that as a cash pay. Then we'd like to get their referral. You don't need a referral or prescription to get a FibroScan. No. But Mayo was not interested in in them unless they were sick or they would become a Mayo patient.
They'd be going to the Mayo system. I'm like, I can't send you 200 patients a month to get Fibro scans, cash pay? They're like, No. Okay, I guess we have to start a clinic. So we started Clinics in the States. Then we partner with existing clinics We do pop-ups because some doctors' offices maybe don't have that many patients. So we'll move around. But then we have static clinics, we have partnerships within clinics, and then we have our own as well. But you We couldn't send people to do it.
People can come to you now for cash pay if they want in person?
Oh, yeah. We have several in LA. We've got one in Lake Nona. I don't know if you know, there's a show for a center there. It's amazing. We have a partnership with them in this huge center. There, we've got a couple in New York. We're opening them up all the time, and we do pop-ups and road shows. But the scanning is so key in the shows. You've seen it? We're so busy at the shows. We have to have two scanners, two doctors, two There's people, nurses, doing the scans or text. People love it because it's quick, it's easy. We charge anywhere from 3 to 500 bucks, depending on it. It's a third of what Mayo charges. But the other side of the equation is if you've got fatty liver disease, which is 40% of the population, they don't give you a solution. They just say, Well, we'll go on a diet or try to exercise more. If you go to John Hopkins right now or Mayo's website, they'll say there's no treatment for it. Just make these changes. But if you've got stage 3 fatty liver disease, a diet will take you years.
Yeah, I was going to say.
But we already have the solution. We started with the solution with deliverance. Deliverance, we reverse fatty liver in usually three months, six months on the outside. Then we're like, Okay, well, we've got the solution. Now we need to let people know they have it, and you tie the two together. We're so effective in what we do from optimizing liver function that we say, Go get a scan or a blood test with us or with anybody. Take the product, and then in 90 days, test you again. We're like, we hang our hat on evidence, and we always say, If we haven't affected your biomarkers within six months, I'll treat you until we do. I can make that, I would say, braggadocious claim only because we're so effective to do that. But the diagnostics came later, and now they tie into each other. A lot of people, it's funny, they don't want to get a scan because they're worried. They're like, I'm nervous. I'm like, Listen, don't worry. You're going to have two results. Both will be positive. One, you're Your liver is healthy and you got nothing to worry about. You can kick your heels and cruise on with your day and have a lovely time.
Or we found something, we're going to put a plan together and fix it. Because generally, if you do have a liver problem or a liver disease or a major liver issue, you're not aware of it until it's very severe. There's not a lot of nerve endings in the liver. You don't feel the liver. Most of the symptoms of fatty liver disease are not easily recognizable because of busy lifestyles, like brain fog, weight gain, bad sleep. A lot of other things cause that. But those are the three big first indicators of it as well. Giving solutions to people is key because we wouldn't be doing the scans if we didn't have the solution as much because Then you don't want to just say, Oh, you've got an issue. It was like, you got to give somebody a plan. That's why first plan, we tell people, All right, let's look at your nutrition. Let's change that. It doesn't cost you money to give somebody good advice. We don't charge for that. Here's some good foods to eat. Here's what not to eat. Here's conscious choices we can make. Here's these things to do. You also have this situation where most of the people with fatty liver disease are actually poor people or people that are economically deprived.
The reason being is because they can't afford maybe as healthy a food or the fresh meats, so they're consuming cheap calories. And cheap calories tend to be more chemicals made and filled with preservatives and bad-grade meat Basically, so they're suffering. It's very unfair because the people that can afford medical or health or wellness the least are getting the sickest because they're eating the cheapest food, and the cheapest food is causing the most damage. We try to do outreach programs We go into neighborhoods and scan people. It was one of the things I was talking to Dr. Malone about at the inauguration is he connected me with this group in the Mexican border. We go into these areas because ethnicities, too, Hispanic, we get fatty liberties much quicker than Caucasians will. They have no idea they're happening, but they're getting diabetes, and they're putting on a lot of weight, and they're getting coronary disease, and they're getting heart attacks. A lot of it's because of the food they're eating, but it's giving them fatty liver disease, and the fatty liver disease is causing those conditions. The foundation of metabolic disease is fatty liver. The foundation of diabetes is fatty liver.
It starts with fatty liver. I mean, it starts where we eat. But then fatty liver is this. You can stop it here and turn it around here. Downstream, you're going to lower the chances of type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular disease, metabolic disease, liver cancer, NASH, all the things that come down. We all have our roles to play in this. Yours is letting the world know about all these different amazing health people that you speak to and this fountain of knowledge. Mine is to focus on the liver. You've got guys like Hyman and God bless with Jeffrey Bland that's out there talking, start with the food, what we're putting in. That's why a lot of what needs to be done in this country is educating the children now. It's all education, man. Yeah, and it's free. It doesn't cost you money.
That's where it starts. It's got to be teaching people the right things. It really does. Then it's a trickle down from there.
Absolutely. You shouldn't charge people for that.
No, that's why we do this. It's fun. Several things to touch on that you said. I was one of those I thought for sure when I came to you because my liver enzymes had been messed up for so long. I had a fiber scan done, but it didn't give me the numbers and stuff that you had. It was something my doctor would recommend. I didn't even know what the hell it was. At the time, I came home from vacation in Florida, and I can't remember now if it was ALT or AST, but one was 290 and the other one was 201.
You want those to be in the '20s? Yeah, exactly.
At least in the '40s, but yes, in the '20s. I had prior steroid use, so I had time where they were in the '70s and '80s, but I knew how to get them right back down. I get back and I'm like, What on earth is happening here? I go to my doctor. Oh, they're slightly elevated. I was like, Brother. I kept it to myself. I got home and I told my wife, What the fuck does he mean? These are slightly elevated. This is out of control. Then that takes time to get down. Then progressively, over the next three months, it was down to like 130 and 90, which is still way too high. Drastic drop Then I started to make the change from all the low fat foods and everything into more fatty friendly foods and changed the whole structure of my diet. Then when I came to you, it was April of '25, Yeah. The first scan I got with you, you told me it was tremendous. I got my number here and it says that I was CAP, 2. 22, and that E, KPA, was 3. 0. Then I came back to you, and that was at Unimonius.
That was in November. Then I was down to 173 and 2. 3.
Which is incredible. That's optimal. Is it? Yeah, that's blue zone.
Okay. Well, then let's talk about that. One, what do these mean, the two numbers? For a drop like that in five, six months, what would cause a drop like that to put me in a more optimal zone so we can tell people what are some potential things that could do that? Then I can tell you, Okay, I did some of that stuff.
I'll start with the numbers. The two numbers, the main things that we're looking at with the FibroScan is we're looking for percentage of fat or steatosis and how much is in there. You want it to be between about 150 and 250 is green. I consider anything under 200 to be optimal because you need some. Under 250, you've basically got less than 10% of your liver has fat change within it. Not percentage of it's fat, but there's percentage of your liver that's fatty, and you need fat in there. That's good. Glycans are the energy you get is little balls of fat, basically. Then it's a slippery slope. Then if you go from 250 to 260, you're fatty liver, and then you're in the 30th percentile, and then 270, you're a fatty liver disease, and then above 280, you've got stage 3 fatty liver disease and all kinds of problems come after that. The other thing that's looking at is stiffness. Remember I said the softer and squishier the The liver is, the better is, because the liver, it gets bigger and it gets smaller. It grows by 40%. If you had a big meal and it broke it down, it would grow by 40%.
It's huge, and then it'll come back. You want it to be very precipitous, very flowy and soft and squishy, and that's well there. But if it starts to get stiffer, that could be signs of inflammation, and that could be signs of scarring and a sluggish liver. That's why we're measuring stiffness to the KPA or kilopascal's, mathematical term, but is essentially how stiff it is. Stiff it is, okay. Yeah. So your stiffness was actually pretty good. It's an auspicious number, but it is actually more... It's the higher range, but it's within the green, and that could fluctuate. It does, and it will. But you then had a dramatic reduction. We looked at it again, it was much softer, much Squishier, and your liver fat was low, good low as well. One of the things that you doing, which is paramount, and this is so important for healing or for health or people with cancer, is you now have a brain connection with your liver. You're acknowledging your liver, you're taking care of it, and you're also starting to manifest in a way that your liver gets healthier because you're now connected with this organ that you didn't know what it did or before.
That's really important. The most important part of health and healing is your mindset and your connection. It's always joking. Have you ever been a hyperchondriac that doesn't get sick all the time?
Yeah, it's true. Yeah.
That was happening. Then I would say, your exercise is probably good, water intake, and you're eating probably cleaner foods. Cleaner foods, so proteins, fats, vegetables, fruits, and getting out things that are synthetic or manmade or processed. Those things definitely should have been part of the reduction of it as well. But you are in the green, so you'll bounce around within the green. But you went from green to what I would consider blue or optimal, which is like Probably when you're 12 years old, super healthy liver, it hasn't been put through all the processes and abuse and substances that it's happening with. And your liver is regenerating. So your liver, when you were having those high ALT and AST markers, your liver was inflamed. That's why those markers were high. And what an ALT or AST is, it's an enzyme, and we're mapping. If there's a lot of those enzymes, it means your liver is under stress. And your liver was damaged. So your liver was also healing and regenerating this whole time as well. In the background, your liver was repairing. As it was repairing, its functionality got better. As its functionality got better, excess fat was gone, and also the stiffness got lower, so it became softer.
So your liver was on this healing journey. It was probably whenever you came back, and you might have picked up a parasite, or you might have picked a bacteria when you were traveling.
It was in the ocean and everything.
There's all kinds of things in there could have been causing that stress. So your liver was repairing and healing. You had the a brain-spirit connection with your liver as well. Then I would imagine, just that alone would do it, but you probably made some dietary changes as well. Especially if you were eating, like you said, a fat-free yoga versus a regular one. So all those things are contributing It's a culmination of things.
Can overtraining or training too much cause stress and strain on the liver, too?
Yeah, of course. So that could be- Oxidative stress and inflammation. Oxidative stress causes inflammation. Inflammation causes more oxidative stress. Then we get this vicious cycle as well.
Would you say that what age would you recommend people go in and do a fiber scan? Should they do it early?
Well, so there's some factors in there. If they don't have their gall bladder, then they should definitely get scanned once a year. That's a big thing. Gender-wise, specifically, about two-thirds of people with fatty liver disease are men, one-third are women. It's the opposite of Alzheimer's, so it can affect them more as well. It does, two-thirds. If they've If they've been on a lot of pharmaceuticals, I would say they check more. If they've been on a really bad diet, they were. If they're obese, 90% of people that are obese will have fatty liver disease. 70% of type 2 diabetics will have fatty liver disease, and one's causing the other. Fattie liver disease is making the obese the worst. But interestingly, it sounds like a confusing number, but just think about it. If you're obese, you have a 90% chance of having fatty liver disease. But of the 2 billion people in the world with fatty liver disease, half of are not obese. So 50% of people with fatty liver disease are thin. Just because you're thin, your ethnicity can have a lot to do. If you're South Asian, much higher percentage chance of it. Latin American, Hispanic, have a higher chance of fatty liver disease, much higher because of genetic predisposition and how they store glycans and fats and things.
Those are factors to look at as well. But if you're obese, definitely you want to get scanned. If you're a man between 40 and 65 years old, about 70% of them have fatty liver. If you've got high cholesterol, it could be because another one of the things the liver does is it creates cholesterol, it breaks cholesterol down, it stores them as well. Fattie liver, you'll have more bad cholesterol, which is LDL, and less HDL, which is your good cholesterol, and then you have more triglycerides. More of those is what leads to plaque buildup, which can lead to coronary disease and plaque buildup in arteries and things like that, too. Certain ethnic studies, no gall bladder, obese, prediabetic, shit lifestyle, or if you're older, you're just going to have a higher percentage chance of that because you accumulate liver fat. Even though you might have had an okay diet, you're just accumulating more and more and more, and that starts to build up. The fattier the liver is, your ability to break fat down. If you go eat a really fatty steak or anything, any fat that you consume, 70% of that's broken down by the liver.
The liver can't break your fats down as well if it's not functioning as well.
I see. I want to talk about alcohol in the liver and how much of a contributing factor that is in comparison to other things that we've been talking about. First of all, talk about the negative impact that alcohol can have in general, just like one drink, and then over time, prolonged use, and then how is it in relation to being the number one factor for liver disease in Dynal is number one for liver disease.
Exactly.
Where does it fall in line?
70% of liver disease is non-alcohol-related now.
Really? Yeah.
That's another thing. I can't tell you. Thousands of times I've asked people about a scan, Oh, I don't drink. 70% of people with liver disease don't drink. That's one of the things that people don't understand, and that's a big misnomer that you can't realize. Just because you don't drink or do drink, Obviously, you can have more of a risk of liver disease if you drink than if you don't drink. But if you don't drink, it doesn't mean you're out of the woods. At the end of the day, alcohol is toxic. You drink one drink and your liver, if it's functioning well, it will break it down. That's why you don't really get a... You just feel. You get a nice little feel, but you don't get too much. But if you start to overwhelm it, you're causing more and more damage, and the liver can't break it down as quick. So the repair, the damage is outweigh the repair, and it's causing that. When you drink alcohol, Your liver produces these enzymes to break alcohol down and metabolize it and convert it as part of the detoxification process. The byproduct of that is actually what's super toxic.
That's really what gives you a lot of the toxicity aspects as well as the byproduct. Just like eating protein. When you eat protein, your liver breaks the protein down. The byproduct of that is ammonia. That's why if you've got a bad liver that's not functioning very well and you're eating a lot of protein, you start to get too much Even if you have too much ammonia in your blood, it can break down your blood brain barrier, which allows more toxins into the brain. And ammonia can actually cause brain damage. There's a whole connection with the brain and that as well. Different things have byproducts. It's like a waste material. The waste material from alcohol is incredibly toxic as well. And alcohol also can cause inflammation. Obviously, it causes liver damage. The byproduct of breaking it down causes liver damage. And that's why you start to... You don't think it's properly when you're drunk because you're toxic, and the toxicity is affecting your brain. So it has those effects as well. I'm a proponent of, I think, a glass of wine or light drinking if you can keep it cool and drink water with it or take a deliverance or take a milk distill in low amounts because it destresses you is actually good and you laugh more if you're drinking.
But it's very difficult to control that. Yeah. So alcohol does cause damage for sure. Too much of it can cause a lot of damage. There's two camps for drinking a glass of red wine every day, which is a low amount, has benefits for the Reservoir Troll and heart health and all that, too. I like that, some people don't, but it is at the end of the day, it's toxic for you. But your body can deal with a lot of toxicity as well. But alcohol is... There's all kinds of negative effects of alcohol, not only on the physiology, but on inflammation. Inflammation on the brain, letting more toxicity in. There's a whole spiritual aspect of it as well. Because remember the way they call it, beer, wine, and spirits? Yeah. Spirits was a term that came out because when people drink too much heavy alcohol, like gin or alcohol, because it's so concentrated, some people are crazy. It also lowers your spiritual guard so more people could be, I think, possessed at that aspect. They call it spirits because it would allow evil spirits into you. Really? And evil spirits would come out because people would act like, Hey, I never knew they held that man.
That's about spirits because they thought in medieval times. Actually, it's probably correct. It would allow more evil spirits in and more spirits come out of it. Well, yeah.
Even in the Bible, it's not to be a drunkard and a drink to your drunk.
Yeah, and I love a glass of wine, but I don't drink to get drunk. I drink to relax or just to chill or to go with food, but never to get drunk. Yeah. Alcohol, think about it, that's why they call it spirit. They thought there was evil spirits in the bottle because you'd be like, Well, he dank this bottle with this alcohol, and he turned into a madman, or he became evil, or he became abusive, or all the negatives that can come with drinking in excess. You said physiological damage, psychological damage, emotional damage, the damage you do to other people. We think how much abuse and things that come out of people that have been drinking too much and bad decisions. The other side of the coin, in light doses, you can have fun and laugh with your friends, and it can be silly, but it's not for everybody. Is it better to drink or not to drink? Of course, it's better not to drink. It does cause a lot of damage. But if you tell people, Don't drink, don't drink more. You have to just... These are the dangers of drinking. These are the dangers of this.
Weigh things out accordingly. If You are going to have a drink, drink a lot of water, make sure it's high quality. Whatever you do, don't mix it with Tylenol, don't mix it with pharmaceuticals. If you're an antibiotic and you drink alcohol, not only have you destroyed the antibiotic, the good it's doing, but you're causing liver damage. It's playing with fire to a degree.
The best thing that I always tell people is, Look, dude, do whatever you want. I'm just going to tell you what it does, and it's up to you. I'm not going to tell you, Don't do it. Here's the facts. You run with it however the hell you want to run with it. I would recommend not, though. For instance, if you haven't drank for years and then you have one drink, and you notice the one drink really hit you, as opposed to before it wouldn't, is that because your liver is not recognizing it, not breaking it down as well, or why does that happen?
Well, your tolerance has changed. So your threshold for that because it's not producing the enzyme that breaks alcohol down as much, so you have less of them. That's why Aborigines, Native Americans, and certain Asiatic cultures get drunk really quick because their liver is not producing that enzyme because it didn't need it because Aborigines haven't drank for thousands of years, like Europeans haven't. So they don't have that enzyme or maybe a genetic differential where they don't have as much of There's lack of it. If you're not drinking for a while, you'll stop producing that enzyme, and your liver will say, Well, let's produce an enzyme because maybe he's eating a lot of fatty food, so we need to produce more of the enzyme to break the fats down or yoga, so less of it. Also, a high tolerance is actually usually indicative of liver damage. People that have a really high tolerance probably actually have more of a damaged liver. You would think, Oh, well, if my liver is damaged, I should feel it more. It's the opposite. It numbs it to a degree. Then you have the effect of brain chemistry and how it tastes.
If you haven't drank in a long time and you have a drink, you're like, Eew. Once again, it doesn't taste good. That's your brain telling you it's bad. But if you start drinking, your pleasure centers and those serotonin, dopamine, those chemicals are like, Yeah, but you feel really good. Then it's like, Tell your taste buds to be quiet.
Yeah, exactly. When I was in my 20s, I was partying four and five days a week, and I stopped drinking completely. If me and Queenie would go on a vacation, I'd have a drink, maybe one a year or two. I'm just like, I'd tell her after half a week because I drink Grandmarny on the Rocks, and I was like, Okay, that's what I'm going to have. That idea. I was having trouble walking back to the freaking car on half a drink. I used to have five, six, seven of them at a time. No problem. But I feel better knowing that I don't drink anymore.
Yeah, and your liver shut that enzyme off to it. Your body's also telling you you're thriving right now by not drinking. Exactly. This is what's going to happen. Your body's also speaking to you. Right.
It's like eating the fast food when you haven't for years. It ends up making you feel bad either way. But if you haven't for years and then you have it, it's just like, what did I just do? It's just a horrible feeling.
It's funny because the anticipation of certain fast foods is like, the most pleasure is the anticipation of it right when you eat it, and then you spend the rest of the time regretting it.
It's like a- That's a freaking commercial. Sells you on it. That's why.
Here you go. You're programmed to do it.
Yeah. Okay. Because We haven't talked about deliverance yet, and I want to get into the product itself. For people watching, me and my wife both got sick last week, and you sent me a bunch right away. I want to talk to you about, one, the benefits on the liver, but why would you send it to me when I'm just sick in general? Because I know why, but tell everybody else why, because of the consumption of what's in it and everything. But how does it work and why is it so beneficial when you're sick, especially?
The liver is one of the most important organs for your immune system, and Deliverance was built off of three pillars. I didn't want to do like a lot of supplement companies do and say, Well, I'm going to make one for your brain, one for your immune inflammation, and one for your liver. We combined them all together. It's called Deliverance because it's my deliverance from losing loved ones to liver disease. Deliverance means to take you from evil to good or to set you free from a bad thing. I love it. It's why it's used in church a lot. It's a great biblical. It's a lot of meaning in everything we do, especially I do, and all these deep, deep essences of it. But that's the name. But it's a combination of all these things. The reason it took 18 years of R&D is I would do a clinical study, and then I would look at the results, and then I would change a formula, and then I would formulate based off of evidence and science rather than just... Probably when I was younger, we just come out with a great formula and sell it, and okay, feedback is good.
No, no, no. Now we go, we tie everything to test and blood test and scans on it. What are the most important things to optimize liver function? Okay, so oxygenization in the blood, how are we dealing with parasites, how are we dealing with inflammation, how are we dealing with antioxidants, how are we dealing with free radicals, how are we dealing with neuropathways and neurotransmission, et cetera. First symptom of fatty liver disease is brain fog. As I was saying, the connection between if your liver is not functioning as well, your brain isn't functioning as well, your cognitive function is less. I put a neurotropic in it to make you think a lot clearer and faster. We put different types of anti-inflammatories in it because I'm trying to get you out of that cycle of I've got oxidative stress, which is causing inflammation, and inflammation is causing oxidative stress. A lot of great practitioners and doctors will tell you that chronic inflammation is the source of most disease. We put in a lot of different anti-inflammatories, and we put really high amounts of bioavailable antioxidants. I'm a quality, not quantity person. Yeah, absolutely. The quality and how it's being absorbed in the bioabsorption, how it's going into the bloodstream, and then how are we making the blood flow around increasing metabolism, more oxygen in the blood.
It's a combination of optimizing liver function, that's the one pillar, and the other two pillars that are holding this up is the brain neurotropic, making you think clearer and faster, and then antioxidants, anti-inflammatories. That's why we have such amazing results by people that take it. Usually because of the nanotechnology that we use, you start to feel the mental clarity really quick. Within weeks, your skin and your hair improves because your liver is also in charge of your skin and your hair. The largest organ in your body is your skin. Your largest internal organ is your liver. Most skin conditions are actually under the skin, and they're like icebergs. Most of it you don't see. If your liver is really healthy, more collagen, more blood, less free radicals, more antioxidants, your skin looks better. So your skin and hair start to glow, start to lose a little bit of weight because of your metabolizing liver fat better. Then if you look at biomarkers, it helps with cholesterol, fatty liver, et cetera. But in your scenario, obviously, I wanted you to get the benefit of it for the mental clarity. But okay, you're sick, so your body is now dealing with probably some inflammation.
It's got a lot of oxidative stress, and you've probably got a bunch of free radicals cruising around. We didn't go into whether it was viral or it was an infection. But either way, we need your immune system and your inner little soldiers to be fighting as good as they can. So by taking two or three of these a day, I'm giving you lots of antioxidants, which is like, ammo to get rid of free radicals. I'm lowering your inflammation, and I'm increasing your powerhouse of your immune system, which is your liver. When liver is the hero in this whole thing, we just support the hero. That's why I said, take more because that's why you more juice, more sunshine, all these things, less stress. I was like, just relax. Let's just chill. Because anything you could do to get your immune system because your body is fighting a battle internally, it's under attack, and you need it to prevail. It's a combination of all those positive energy and sunshine and nutrition food and chicken soup and collagen and protein and good fats and deliverance. You needed all these things to love. Obviously, Loving yourself, your wife loving you, you loving your wife.
All these things are going to get you healed much, much faster. That's why I sent it to you. I sent you a double up. Yes.
Because you love me.
Yeah, I do. You're doing really good God's work. I see what you're doing. I feel what you're doing. I know people are affected by what you're doing. There's not as many of us as there are the other side, so we have to be all helping each other on this journey.
No, I thoroughly, thoroughly agree, dude. I've told you from the moment we started talking, how much I love you and appreciate what you do. We see very, very similarly on so many things. I love the amount of information that you have and the way you convey it, because sometimes there's a lot of smart people, but they don't really know how to convey the information well, and they don't make it understandable or fun. It's really nice to have those conversations and to get a better understanding. You know this. There's a lot of concepts that you and I both know that have a ton of misconception. How many have we already just broached upon on this conversation alone? I'm sure that's a big battle for you in general. Maybe not even a battle, but just something you have to overcome, a little barrier. There's a lot of misconception or lack of understanding on the liver in general. I appreciate everything that you do. For this product here, do you sell it on your website?
Is that the best place to get it? We sell on the website, especially in the UK. We're a British company, but we're now much more in the US. High-end pharmacies. We have partnerships with some of the most amazing hotels like Six Senses, Spas, and Four Seasons, and Peninsula. Functional Medicine Doctors, Integrative Medicine. So online, or if you're Practitioner carries it as well. Those are probably the best places to get it, but the quickest is online. It's great because we got very blessed. We got the URL that says what we're doing, which is loveyourliver. I love that. It's loveyourliver. Com. Yeah, it's awesome. Then we say love your life. I think that's one of the things that is probably the most important things for everybody's health and everybody's happiness. We've been programmed that it's selfish to do this, but it's actually selfish not to love yourself. The most important person in the world to love is yourself. Our ability to love others is only limited by how much we love ourselves. That's the most important. Love God, love yourself, and then you shine brighter and you could love others. Loving yourself and taking care of yourself.
We try to reinforce that in the messaging, love your liver, it loves you, it takes care of you, love your life, appreciate what you have because it's like that great, I love analogies, but the oxygen masks in the plane, they save you with children. I'll put it on you first, then your child. It's stick to you to be like, Well, no, of course, I put it on my child first. But if you don't have it on you, you can't help your child, you can't help anybody else. You have to take care of yourself first, and then you could take care of those around you. A lot of people in the health industry and doctors in all kinds of facets of life, don't give themselves enough self-love, and they need to really do that example as well because it's- I agree. Yeah, so it's paramount.
I love that. I love the mentality. I love the faith a part into this. I speak on that constantly. I argue, because I talk about mind and body connection, which we know, as you've been discussing here, but I have a king in the middle and then a side-side, so it goes mind body, but it starts with spirituality at the top. I think without that, you can't really get... Well, actually, I don't think I know. You can't have the other two. It just doesn't work. I appreciate that talk with you, too, that we can talk about that and relate about and understand it and implement it and hopefully encourage others to do that. If people want to get the Fiberscan, they can look up clinics to where you're located to come and do it or come to shows that you're going to be at.
Correct, yeah. Then as we're adding more partnerships, we just partner with Next Health. They do all this incredible stuff. But I'm like, What are you doing for liver? They're like a blood test. I'm like, No. Now we're going to be opening liver clinics with them, some of their locations. We do the pop-ups, we do road shows. Our goal is to have a thousand clinics globally in the next three to four years. But we'll do that by partnering with other doctors as well. Let's collaborate. One of the highest forms of consciousness is collaboration. So collaborating with other people. But right now, we've got some clinics in the West Coast, we got some clinics in New York, and we're opening more and more as well. London, we've got loads. I'm sure. But we're trying to do more and more and get those out and get those going. If we don't have one, we'll have to help you find one to do as well. Medicare will cover a scan. A lot of private insurance will. You might have to get something else done before it to get the insurance. I mean, the insurance industry is going to realize that the best thing for them to do is prevent people from getting sick, but they're so intertwined with the drug companies that there's this very nefarious relationship, most incessuous.
But preventing you from getting ill, that's the future. We say in the UK, it will save the NHS. Bobby Kennedy is very much about that. What's happening in this country is... The most incredible that has happened that's non-political in the last year and a half is what's happening with health. Bobby Kennedy is doing... Maha in health is not a political thing. Children's health is apolitical. If you try to bring politics into children's health, you're an asshole.
I did the vaccine interview recently, and the only reason I did the interview was when I got the data on the children, and I got so pissed off. I said, I don't give a It's not what anybody says. I got real-life data here when it comes to kids. Hate me all you want. I don't care. I really don't. Because when it comes to them, it's like, Dude, if you're not on board with factual stuff about kids, I just question your whole Reality of existence.
Yeah, it's evil.
If you would rather stick up for a company or a product, which a vaccine is just a product, then over a kid, I don't know. I'm worried.
I'm very The first people that really broke and whistleblowed during the COVID thing was obviously Dr. Malone, one of the greatest scientists of all time with vaccines, because once they started, he shut his mouth, but once they started giving it to pregnant women and to children, he said, That's enough. Then he just risked his whole career. He was blackballed. He was done that. Also was McCollet to a degree, but it was the chief science officer for Pfizer. For Pfizer, once they started They're recommending it. They're like, We could sell it to pregnant women. We could sell it to kids. She said, No. They destroyed him or tried to. He broke a lot of those... That's the straw that broke the camel's back is when you start messing with children. That's why I love... Del Bigtree is a friend. Del takes the liver in for a long time. We've helped his liver. But he was... My children aren't vaccinated because of Del and Bobby Kennedy years ago, way before Maha on that as well. But Del, it was crazy when not one child vaccine has ever had a safety study done on it. He cross-examines these vaccine experts, and they won't answer the question.
It is that just- I did the interview with Aaron Siri. Oh, my God.
We did the three-hour interview that I did. I read his book on a flight when I was going to do some podcast because he approached me to do the interview. I told Queenie, I said, I want to do this, but I want to also be a little careful. I I read the book, I was like, done. I'm doing the interview. I don't give a shit.
He's a hero. Yeah.
Look, we have a platform to use. I believe God gave it to me. He's not going to take it from me for exposed and something that needs to be exposed. I said, I just trust God and just do it and it'll be fine. I learned a great deal from it, too. Man, I could have talked to you for four hours, I guess, or five, but I really, really am so glad we got to do this. We'll definitely do another one because we got plenty more to talk about and a lot of things to go over in private, too, that we can discuss, too. But man, I love the conversation. I love you.
I love the pleasure. Energy is amazing. It is.
I love the funny shit we get to say to each other off camera, too. It's great, man. Tell everybody where to follow you online, the best places.
Loveyoliver. Com, and then it's Deliverance Elixir on Instagram, and then Deliverance Clinic, the two. But yeah, Deliverance. It's so much a fountain of knowledge as well, but those are the best places. Yeah, loveyoliver, your life, have a relationship with this incredible organ that never stops fighting for you.
I love it.
Yeah. Thanks for coming to see me. Yeah. Yeah.
Appreciate it. All right, everybody. That wraps up another one. I hope you enjoy this as much as I did, which I'm sure you will. Check Siggi out all over the place. He'll be speaking in person, too. If you get a chance, you don't want to miss that. At least get to the clinic to see him. That being said, stay tuned for plenty more to come. Dylan Jameli and Siggi Klabian signing off.
Episode #89 Featuring Liver and Health Expert, SIGGI CLAVIEN! The ULTIMATE GUIDE AND MASTERCLASS to EVERYTHING you need to know about your liver!!
I want to say before the description of the episode that Siggi is one of the best humans I have come across. He has one of the biggest hearts of gold and his mission resonates deeply with me.
This episode is FULL of extremely beneficial and protective information from the onset, discussing all aspects of liver health. Siggi goes into detail on how the liver functions and the totality of impact it has on our entire makeup, discussing the many roles the liver plays. The detoxification process is then discussed in depth, transitioning into different types of medications and what sort of damage they can have short and long term on the liver. The conversation shifts to diet and the role different types of foods and diet play in the health of the liver, touching on the importance of healthy fats and the dangers of a low fat diet. There is an extremely important discussion on liver diagnostics and testing, diving deep into fibroscans as the newest most innovative and in depth type of testing. Of course there is a discussion on how alcohol affects the livers as well as supplements that can help with liver care, with an explanation on Siggi's amazing liver care product, Deliverance! Siggi leaves everyone with final thoughts about self love and overall health. This conversation is an absolute must watch, and an extra thanks to Siggi for doing God's work!
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