Transcript of Episode #88 Featuring Dr. Shivani Gupta! The POWER of Turmeric and the Healing STRENGTH of Ayurveda! Everything you need to know about inflammation and NEW BOOK LAUNCH: The Inflammation Code!!!

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All right, everybody. Welcome back to the Dylan Jameli podcast, live on set. I have been graced with a good friend of mine that came to see me. So first of all, thank you for coming to see me on such short notice. For sure. But we I go back now, a good year. When I met her, I was introduced to her as a tumouric expert, which goes without saying because she's well known for that. But what I've grown to know is she is so much more versatile than that. We're going to get into tons of different aspects of what she knows and what she does today, along with the expertise in tumouric, which we're definitely going to get involved in. She has the only tumouric supplement at this time that I will currently touch or use because I trust it that much. It is the gold standard, and that's why it's tumouric gold. But she is an Ayurvedic practitioner. She's a tumouric researcher. She helps women reduce inflammation, balance hormones, boost energy. She has a new book, which is one of the main reasons I wanted her to come here and see me, because I want each and every one of you to check this book out, and you will have it readily available soon because it's releasing in February.

It's called The Implantation Code. But she is just a wonderful woman. She's well respected in the biohacking space, but all spaces of naturopathic medicines. Without further ado, Dr. Sivanigupta.

Thank you. Thanks for having me.

Of course. Thanks for coming to see me. We actually recorded, what, four months ago, probably, and I told you, I said, No, We got to get something new to talk about your book. Because in-person interviews are always a lot better. Absolutely. The virtual thing is fine, but I find the in-person to be far more impactful. So I definitely am glad that you took the time to come here and see me.

For sure. Absolutely.

Let's talk a little bit about your expertise before we get into everything else. Because I talk to a lot of different people, and They have certain expertise in certain areas, but it's wide and broad. But you specialize in tumouric. One of the things that I've learned about that is there's a high misconception, misunderstanding of what it actually does, what it's used for, which I want you to touch on. But why, of all the things in the world that you could specialize in, why that?

When I was studying ancient Ayurvedic medicine from India, which is this whole system of medicine that's over 5,000 years old, I was sitting in the herbology class, and the professor started explaining all the benefits of the spices. They were like, coriander does this, and cinnamon does that, and cumin has these properties, and phenol, fenugreek, just going down the list and the adaptogens from Ayurvedic though, like ashwagandha, which is really popular right now. When they got to tumouric, I was so shocked. They were like, turmeric is anti-inflammatory, antioxidant, all these benefits, like 50 benefits. I thought, there's no way that's true, because if that was true, we would be using tumouric every single day for everything. Every doctor's office I go to, instead of saying takensets for 10 days, they'd say, You can take tumouric for that. I was really inspired because I was like, if that is true, We have something here that could change the whole planet. I started my PhD dissertation just hoping to understand, can this spice truly have applications in Western medicine, that we can use it as a solution instead of all the things that give us side effects?

That's great and commendable. I love that. Thinking about being an herbologist and discussing all of those different herbs, and then you pick that specific one. There has to be a reason for that.

Yeah, I'm glad I did. I think We are ready right now for medicine to really open up and change. It's one of those well-studied herbs and spices that has room right now to really get out there.

You brought up ansets, which I would like to discuss about, and I'm not asking you to talk about how horrible the pharmaceutical industry is because we already know it. Just kidding. But I'm not going to go there. What I would, though, like a perspective on is similarities there between, say, an Ibuprofen is a popular one. The problem with these is not that they don't work, it's the side effects and the cumulative use, which a lot of people don't understand. What I would like you to touch on maybe is some of the side effects of longer term use or even short term use of Nsets, maybe some examples of sites from Ibuprofen, and then talk about how we could alternatively use tumouric in place.

When it comes to tumouric, tumouric is so beautiful because it impacts the major inflammatory pathways. So NFk, B, interleukin 6, TNF alpha. Because it affects those master switches of inflammation, it then impacts another hundred pathways of inflammation in the body. It's almost like you turn on the light switch of inflammation, and curcumin from tumouric knows how to go in there and turn off the light switch, which is huge because oftentimes, most of us are brewing this chronic, low-grade, persistent inflammation. It's like a fire. It's causing damage. What we're trying to do here is use a natural solution to get that down. Now, when we use Ibuprofen, Ensets, things like that, whenever you go to orthopedics or to the doctor and you take it for pain, it can cause GI bleed. It caused GI upset. A lot of different side effects that we don't want to have. But the problem is most people in pain are just popping it every single day. I see it in my family all the time. They're like, Oh, I'm just tired. I'll just take two of these and I'll be better. I'm like, It's not an anti-tired pill, guys. You're suffering from chronic joint pain, stiffness, and these things.

Instead of addressing that root cause of inflammation, you're going in there and popping a pill just to negate it. But what if you instead reach for natural solutions, and then it affected all those pathways? What I've seen over the last 10 years working with Tumeric and working with doctors is it goes after the major pain, like back pain, hip pain, like the major stuff. Then the medium stuff, and then the smaller stuff. They'll be like, My gingivitis is gone. My Allergies have gone down. I'm not getting headaches every day because those inflammation symptoms crop up as stiffness. You wake up in the morning, everything hurts when you get up. Fatigue, right? As we're aging, we're like, We're tired. That can be root cause inflammation, headaches, bloating, digestive issues. Sometimes it's all subtle things. But the moment I say to myself, God, I think that this is just aging. The moment I have that thought, I go, No, that's inflammation, and you need to pause, and you need to address it. What changed? Is it diet? Is it sleep? And so that's why I wanted to put a whole book together, because over the last 10 years, people are using tumor, and it is super effective, but there's also a lifestyle we can do.

So one of the things that I have always learned with the insets, and I went through this year phase because I'm a runner and I was having severe bone and pain in the ankle and foot, and I started doing 800 milligrams three times a day for a year. Because you just By the time that you're trying to deal with the pain, but then you start to understand the effects it has on your liver and your kidneys and everything else and how detrimental it can be. They just give you those candy and your insurance will make you pay a buck for them. Right. So one of the things I think people don't understand is a lot of those medicines are derived from something natural anyway. Correct. I guess my problem is when people start throwing stones at something natural, it's like, well, where do you think that those drugs come from? True. Where do they derive from?

True. Willow Bark is where Tylenol is derived from, right? So a lot of times we are taking natural things, extracting something out of them, but we almost take that process so far. And then, like you said, it's like a sledgehammer for the body. Yes, it knocks out pain. I've had plantar fasciitis before. I went to orthopedic and I said, I've got this pain. It feels like I'm walking on glass every day. What do you have for me? They were like, Oh, just take NSEDs 24/7, seven days a and you'll be fine. And I was like, Okay, that's what my doctor said. This was a long time ago. And after the 10 days, every time I ate a meal, I had a stomach ache. And I got really mad. I went into the doctor and I said, Hey, guys, I put a lot of time and money and effort into having a healed gut. That's how I got into Ayurveda in the first place, was I had to heal myself. What just happened? What did you do to my stomach? And they're like, Oh, that's just a side effect. It's not a big deal. It'll be gone soon.

And I was like, Oh, gut damage? Are you Are you kidding? Gut is everything. Gut is mood, it's energy, it's brain, it's immune. You can't damage someone's gut and not tell them in advance that that's a potential side effect. Because I wouldn't have taken that solution. I would have asked for a different one. That's when I thought, Every doctor should tell us, You could take tumor for that. Because they have that opportunity to open our mind to those other alternatives. We're going there saying, Hey, I'm in pain. Can you help me? That's been the body of my work, because you're right, when we're in pain, we need a solution. We You need something. Can't function in pain. That moment got me really passionate about, Okay, how am I going to naturally find a way with this plant called turmeric? How do you extract out of it in a way that still mimics mother nature? Because our body can then really absorb it, understand how to use it, and get the benefits.

Yeah, but you don't get any benefit from writing a script for turmeric. You're not really trained for that.

Right? Yeah.

That's why I don't even sometimes fault the doctor is because that's what they're taught and told to do. If they're paying money to go to school and get trained, they're going to believe what they're being taught.

For sure. Yeah, it's what they've been trained in, and their standard of care. They're following the protocols that they have to follow. But what's good is In the state of Florida, where I live, there are rules now that says you must offer non-opioid alternatives to the patient. Mandatory. So they're required to have handouts in the office. So what I did was I went into all my orthopedic offices because I know a bunch of them, they all recommend tumor now, thanks to me, and I stapled my tumor brochure to their brochure, and I printed them out. Then I also put stickers on their post-op sheets. The patient would know, Hey, you can take opioids, but you could also take tumor. What's interesting is as long as you put the option in front of someone, most of us know nowadays that there's a side effect and that we could try to take an alternative sooner that's less addictive or has less side effect. As long as the doctor is supporting it and the patient open to it. Everything can change.

Well, let's talk about other benefits. I think tumouric is well known, I think, for most for inflammation. I mean, I think that's it. But a lot of these have secondary and multiple benefits. What's some other stuff that maybe even some may know, but some may not know, something that might surprise somebody that it could help?

For sure. It's a very powerful antioxidant. As we're aging, we feel like we're rusting, and it reverses the oxidative species in the body. It's reversing the oxidative process and the things that are oxidating the system from the inside. It impacts zombie cells, senalytic cells. These cells that are aging in the body, knocking around, running into everything, causing more zombie cells, it cleans those out. I think of tumor as this ultimate janitor. It gets into the system and cleans house. It goes after all sorts of things, malignant cells, cell apoptosis. Cells that were meant to die and just didn't die, it'll clean those It'll go in the gut. It'll support us because it's antibacterial, antiviral, and antifungal. So HPylori, all these different things, parasites, bad bacteria. So bacteria that doesn't belong in the system, it'll clean those out. But it'll leave in our Keystone bacteria and our good bacteria. It'll support our gut lining, anti-Hpylori, anti-Candida, all these things. So to me, it's like this ultimate janitor, and the body is doing its best. But the problem is nowadays, there's environmental toxins, there's a lot of stressors. Our bodies are generally inflamed, polluted. If we had a natural solution from Mother Nature that can just come in there and clean it all out, then at least we have that fresh start to deal with things.

So you mentioned earlier curcumin. Explain how that plays a role in tumouric effectiveness. What is curcumin? Because I think it's confusing for some people when they pick up a bottle and it says curcumin on it.

For sure. It's super confusing confusing. It took me post-PhD by at least a year before I could understand the labels on the bottle. And I was calling a factory. I was asking everyone. It's really confusing. So out of the entire tumouric plant, only 3% of it is the curcuminoids. The curcuminoids are the ingredients that we know to be the most effective at reducing inflammation. Out of those three curcuminoids, curcumin is the most effective at reducing inflammation. But the problem is the supplement world is unregulated, and you can do anything you want. Most people take that 3 to 5%, and they'll give it to you in equal proportion, or they'll play a lot of games with how they extract it. They won't tell you how they've standardized it. The one standardized idea we have in our space is standardized to 95%. That's one level that we can use. In my case, when I found a source in India, they can extract to about 97 to 98% grade potency above the standard. That's what I was going for. I was trying to find an ingredient that could move into an orthopedic office, and an ortho would say, Wow, this stuff really works.

You can find that. But the problem is right now, a lot of the labels will say curcuma langa, which just means the plant name. It's regular turmeric. So there is raw turmeric. A lot of people are juicing it. They're like, I love my turmeric ginger shots. I don't know how they do that. It feels like burning hot fire when I swallow it. I'm like, never again. Then there's the dry kitchen culinary spice, which is great. I'm Indian. We use it in our kitchen all the time. But that's not going to move the needle in modern day life for how much help we need when it comes to inflammation. I tell people, cook with it all the time. That's great. But use black pepper or a healthy fat because that's going to increase that absorption. And then move on into the next level, which is curcumin to really help you in inflammation.

So this is how I try to explain it when people ask me because it took me a while, too, even as a supplement dude. So the The easiest way, I think, for me to say is, because since most people know about marijuana, is if you take a cannabis plant and you take a THC %. So the THC is like the potent aspect of the plant, or the CPD now. But back then, it was always the THC. So that's in relation. That's how you could look at it to make it easy for everybody to understand. Totally.

Whatever it takes. Whatever it takes.

But it does make it easy to understand because when you look at those bottles, admittedly, For me, forever, I'd look at this and I'd be like, What?

Sure.

And what's the difference here? And which one do I want?

Yeah. People texted me photos of bottles forever. I would say, I don't have a way to judge everyone else. Who made this? Is it a multinational conglomerate that's global that doesn't care about us? Is it 20 bucks off of Amazon? Because that will tell you.

Exactly. That's where I was going to go next with it because you covered, because I was going to ask you about the ingestion methods and the difference between just having the herbs in the kitchen and how it would relate to actually supplementing. I'm sure that it does give a little bit more efficacy if you do eat some and then take a supplement. But as you said, it doesn't replace or fulfill the need. So Obviously, then taking a supplement would be the best way to ensure that you're getting the needed amount per day, correct?

Yeah. I mean, using kitchen culinary tumor is great. Food is great. It's always good. But make sure you have black pepper or a healthy fat. When I cook with tumor I know there's no way on earth I'm going to get enough to significantly win an inflammation. That's why I take a thousand milligrams a day of curcumin supplementation, just to ensure that I've hedged my bet. Because I know between my diet, which I tried my best, my exercise, which I try my best, stress, which can run pretty high in our lives, it's like an endless battle against inflammation that we're dealing with. For that reason, I lean on turmeric. For some people, they might like using other supplements For me, turmeric is the one that to me is an insurance policy. I'm at least winning at inflammation. Then I go down the line. It's like vitamin D, probiotics, and everything else.

You said a thousand milligrams. Is that what you said?

So two capsules a day.

Two capsules a day, thousand milligrams. Okay, perfect. When it comes to inflammation, we keep talking about that, and I've talked about it a lot, but could you explain how detrimental inflammation is and how many people in general likely suffer from it in one way or another? And touch on when we say inflamed, what does that mean? Because some people think when we say inflammation, all it means is you got injured playing a sport, or you know what I mean? Or you got a nagging back and it's inflamed. But talk about the significance here.

In the ancient wisdoms in Ayurveda, we talked about our health as the goal is body, mind, and spirit, and alignment. What does alignment mean? It means our physical body is at ease. We feel good. All systems are running well. Mental health. We want everything at peace and ease. That's how we have our spiritual alignment. When I look at inflammation, I look at it as friction. The body is trying to attack whatever it thinks is the enemy. It's like, Oh, my gosh, she drank out of a plastic water bottle, and that person had Cheetos, and that person had a Coca-Cola. Anything that's a processed food or high sugar, high toxic burden. We're all going to do some of that. None of us is perfect. I'm always honest about my junk food that I love and the things I do love. So whatever it is you're doing, unfortunately, the body doesn't know what to do with some of those ingredients sometimes. When my kids tell me, Oh, my gosh, after care gave me Oreo's, mom, I'm like, Oreo's? Really? That is not even a food. That should be sold in a toy store. Your body literally doesn't know what to do with a lot of the foods you're eating nowadays because it didn't come from the Earth.

So what does the body do? The body says, You know what? That looks like an enemy. I'm just going to send an inflammatory response to go figure out what to do with it. A lot of times, I think we park it as fat in the body. I was told once, when you see a shelf in your body, that's food storage. Because you ingested something in the body, it doesn't know what to do with it. It's true. Until you pause and really detox, you're not going to let it go. We talk about inflammation as forest fires and fires in the body, and we usually experience it in our joints. But you're right, we're all trying to say the same thing, which is the body is reacting or overreacting to everything in its stimulus, whether that's external or internal. It's what you ingest. It could be environmental toxins around you, it could be your skincare makeup. But also One big point I made in my book was it could be your mental stress. I was writing my book on inflammation. I was like, Guys, inflammation is key. I think the statistic is four out of five of us, three out of five of us are suffering suffering from a chronic inflammatory disease.

So the numbers are high, but we're still not addressing that root cause. And so from the ancient wisdoms, we talk about it as gut health and sleep and circadian rhythm and all those things. And my final point was, and I thought of this word as I wrote the book, mental inflammation. I was finishing the book and I thought, how am I going to share with people that the sheer stress we put ourselves under will cause the physical inflammation that's going to kill us anyways? It's interesting, right? We're in the health and wellness space. If you ramp up the schedule too far, you can feel it. There's a tipping point where all of a sudden the body is like, I'm going to give you a lesson. This is headaches, this is exhaustion, this is fatigue, this is brain fog. Then what's good is when you're in the health and wellness space, you know how to cross right back over the line because we're so good at our self-care and everything. But most of us are actually living across the line and not pausing enough to come back into balance. That's the key I'm trying to teach.

I always say, when you're stressed out, be honest and answer this question and sit there and think about it. Because a lot of times when people ask you stuff, you could be real quick to answer. I always stress, just think about this closely when I say this, and it says, what did stress actually solve? If you sat there and got super stressed, how did that contribute to you rectifying the problem, or did add to it? I'm super spiritual. I was listening to Father Mike Smith last night, and he said, When you are stressed, you're basically saying that you don't trust that God's going to take care of it. When he said that, I was actually listening to it when I was working out, and I just got chills now because I was like, Wow. Then I thought about it and I said, But that's true because that's what you're doing. I think one of the things that I have really focused on now is the mind body connection, because I think that what you do is tremendous. I don't have a background in Ayurvedic, but what I have really shifted towards now is understanding that I can make you as fit as I want.

I can I can challenge your hormones. I can make you eat right. I can make you train right. But if you're messed up here, it just doesn't matter.

It's true. It's so true. I think one big issue we have right now is, as a society, we are allowing so much to come inundated into our mind. And Ayurveda really teaches that you should stand guard at the door of your mind. And I think about that a lot. This week, I'm on the road for a whole week, and my first thought was like, Oh my gosh, how am I going to work out? How am I going to eat well? Eating is really hard on the road for seven days in a row. Oh my gosh, like airplanes, those aren't good for you. My mind just started going down a long list, and I could almost start to see the real holes that I had seen about how bad travel is for you. Oh, microplastic water. The water is not filtered. You could go real down that rabbit hole. Then I paused. I said, What are you doing this for? You're doing this to impact. You are choosing to go on a book tour. That's the point, right? Can you have the faith that you are doing this for good and not add friction and stress just because you consumed enough content to convince you that travel can be detrimental or horrible and to your health?

And so part of our own internal coaching needs to be that understanding that mental inflammation will kill you, too, just like physical inflammation. And so are you willing to also stand guard at the door of your mind and just cut off content that doesn't serve you. What are you filling your mind with? Is it TV? Is it social media? Is it TikTok? Is it bad, negative content? Because that's what the algorithms are programmed to show us, is what we're going to watch in our brain in survival Bible mode is going to tend towards that content. Ayurveda teaches us that that's going to knock out what we call our agne, our digestive fire, our mental fire, our inner peace. If you think of it that way, that helps you set that guideline for yourself.

That's well said. I used to do that a lot where I'd go, Oh, I'm dreading doing this. I'm dreading doing that. Then you know what? Ultimately, it dawned on me two things. One, every time I said that I ended up enjoying the out of what I was doing. Correct. Two, I started to think, Well, what if I didn't have those opportunities to do? I'd be sitting here feeling sorry for myself, wondering what the hell was going wrong with my life.

Correct.

Now it's like, Okay, maybe I need to rest a little more. Or maybe I need to do this or that so that I feel good enough in the process. But why am I telling myself that I'm dreading this or I don't want to do this when in reality, it's what I wanted the whole time?

It's true. I think it's weariness. I think we get tired. It's not enough sleep. It's not eating well. It's true. You're used to your optimal. I know for me, I know when I feel amazing. Then anytime I push too hard in work, it slides. Then you feel like... What's interesting is as we age, we're getting more inflamed naturally. About two years ago, I was presenting at A4M, this conference that we have in Vegas in our longevity space. When I was preparing for that talk, it was a whole talk on tumouric to hundreds of doctors. I I spent a couple months building this slide deck, pulling all the new science on longevity and curcumin. It was super fascinating because I was like, Okay, curcumin affects our sertuins, our telomeres, all these aging. It affects senalytic cells. The fact that it is so powerful for all that piece of longevity is cool. Then for brain health, it affects Alzheimer's, it affects neuroinflammation, Tau tangles. The science is so cool. It causes neurogenesis, new brain cells. It causes mitogenesis, new mitochondria, which to us in the longevity biohacking space is a really big deal. We are chasing those two things, specifically with a lot of different supplements and solutions.

I love them, too. The NAD, everything we can do, we're into. But the fact that a simple plant from Mother Nature will give it to us is really exciting to me, and that Ayurveda has been right the whole time about its herbs and spices and adaptogens. But when I was in that presentation, what I found most concerning to personally was, as you age, you will get more inflamed inevitably. As you age, you will have more oxidative stress inevitably. If that decomposition of the body that will lead to ultimately death. I already knew that inflammation was a problem because in my family, everyone's diabetic. Okay. So the last quarter of life looks like heart attack, stroke, leg amputation, Parkinson's, dementia. It's bad. It's what drives me to try to teach everyone, Guys, inflammation is a problem. Are you paying attention? Do you know your last quarter of life can be spent in and out of hospitals just suffering when you worked your whole life to accomplish what? In my family, they achieve success and then pay this price that I cannot tolerate for people to pay. The fact that we're going to inflame as we age, to me, is fascinating because then it's almost like you're going to have a decline and you're trying to prop it up.

How are you going to prop up at least the inflammation piece of aging? That's where tumor plays a role. That's where our lifestyle plays a very big role.

I love that. I hate the term, Oh, it's inevitable. It's inevitable. Certain things are going to happen. This is true. But it's not just, I get this, Oh, well, we only live once. And then I always follow it. So take care of yourself so that as you age, you can enjoy it. Not that you do whatever the hell you want in your younger years and then below the... Actually, it was going to be the best part of your life. When When you're supposed to be enjoying what you worked for and looking back on what you did. I think for me, once I lost a valuable time, then I realized I couldn't get back, then that hit me. But I think part of the reason now for people like you and I is to deliver that message. Take care of it early. Start addressing this early. Take it serious now. We can mitigate some of the things that will happen, but they don't necessarily have to happen that way. Exactly. I think that when you talk about this, the This is one of those things that you can start doing early and be preventative and then continue to take...

Because you can take this forever, can't you?

Yeah, it's tumor. It's from Mother Nature. It's known to be safe. The only contraindication we have is It has a blood thinning effect. It's a vasodilator. Good when we're talking about hair, skin, and nails, and blood flow in the body. We take nitric oxide right now in the biohacking space for blood flow, and tumor can give you that as well. But if someone's on a blood thinner, they should not be taking a very strong tumor supplement.

Can you take too much?

Good question. The science shows that you can take up to eight grams a day safely. At that point, it's going to cause GI upset. Sure. That's a lot of tumor to drop into the system. It is a pretty warming spice. But we haven't found any real upper limit other than that.

Are there any circumstances where you would go a little bit higher than the norm, or perhaps even put somebody on lower than the norm and still get the right benefits from it? If you had to go higher, what would be something that would cause that spike in a dose for somebody for a given time?

A lot of people reach out to me because I've been answering the 800 number for the company until pretty recently. Now, they email in and my team connects us. I'll call them back, and I'm always like, What is the issue? What's the struggle? Then I can customize for them. It'll be usually around pain. They'll say, You know what? I'm at like an eight, and I'm taking two a day. Can I take four? I'm like, Yeah. It's depending on the person, depending on the issue, I want to talk to them first and understand what's happening. But a lot of times, I can guide that. I myself go into almost a triple dose when I need an immune support, like when my kids get sick or anything like that, I'll just increase my dose tremendously for a day or two and then step back down from it.

Okay. So that's one of the things that you use to build immunity, travel, things like that.

Exactly. But a lot of people have pain. If it's acute, they'll grow up and then they'll come back down.

Does that have any effect on appetite at all or anything of the sort?

No, not directly on appetite. I wish it did.

That would be great. I just think of spice and there's potentially there.

No. I mean, it can have an effect on insulin sensitivity. It can have an effect on obesity.

That's what I was going to get to.

Yeah, because if you are struggling with obesity and you're inflamed, the inflammation will keep you obese. It's a catch-22 issue. Bringing on an anti-inflammatory can really help on the journey. It can function a little bit like a GLP-1, not in the appetite suppression arena, but in that anti-inflammatory, help the body release the fat cells that don't belong on us. Then it does help with insulin sensitivity, which is great. We're seeking that a lot in the longevity space right now.

Yeah. See, and a lot of times when you say something and people go, Is that a weight loss thing? It's like, No, but this is how it directly or indirectly helps you because it takes care of one thing that is impeding weight loss, which will then allow you to lose weight.

Exactly.

Like with TRT People are like, No, it's not for weight loss, but if you're testosterone, you can't lose weight. If we fix that, then you can lose like you're supposed to.

Exactly.

Most people that can't lose weight or can't do this or that, there's an underlying issue that if you address it, they go back to normal and be able to do it. Then they may think that it's just the thing itself that's doing it, where it's correcting the problem, right?

Correct. Yeah. I mean, sometimes it's thyroid, sometimes it's hormone. Right.

Let's take a step back here and talk about the Ayurvedic medicine or practice or just the theory or or the facts behind it, because it's intriguing. I know some from talking to you and a couple of other people I've interviewed, but admittedly, don't know enough, and I'd like to know more. I'm sure a lot of people would like to know more, too. Can you give the premise of it or the base of it and just expound?

Yes. So Ayurveda is this ancient system of health, healing, and medicine. It's over 5,000 years old. So just like you have traditional Chinese medicine that has acupuncture and things like that, Ayurvida was running alongside. They're both beautiful ancient wisdom. Now, typically when someone gets sick and they don't get the answers they want from their Western medicine allopathic doctors, they sometimes turn to the complementary and alternative modalities. They'll go to their chiropractor, they'll go to... They might find a naturopathic doctor, homeopathic doctor, and they go down the road, acupuncture much earlier. Usually, the last door you find is Ayurveda. But what I love about Ayurveda is it's a preventive lifestyle. It is original, personalized, root cause medicine. If I sit down with a client, I look at them and I say, You know what? I need to understand what your elemental design is. What are your primary elements that drive you? Dylan, you're like classic Binta, what we call fire, redish skin tone. You're so energetic. Etic as a personality, so you're all fire. I have some clients who are all air and ether, some who are all earth and water. We really customize everything we teach to the person and what they are and helping them stay balanced.

So Mental design is a big pillar that we teach. Then it's circadian rhythm. Circadian rhythm is something we talk about a ton now in biohacking longevity. But it's from Ayurveda. We taught how to live your entire day as a rhythm, not just sleep. Then we teach that sleeping from 10: 00 to 2: 00 on the circadian clock is the most important time of day because that's the Bitta time of day. It's the fire time of day. And your fires come out and clear your inflammation and your lymphatic system. And so most people are pushing their bedtime. Even Fitbit gave a statistic that the average time that American sleep is 11: 02 PM. And when I saw that, I was like, Oh, my God, half of people are sleeping at midnight. That's so bad. Because it means you're not winning at clearing inflammation out of your system. You're not clearing the glymphatic system or the lymphatic system. And that's a big deal. It means we're all clogged up, polluted humans, which is not going to help us.

I got a lot of work.

And that's a hard one because whenever you're in over... When I'm in overactive work mode, I am pushing bedtime. But then I feel it. So then I keep trying to move it back, and I use all my sleep.

So you're saying 10: 00 PM is when we really need to be getting into bed. I just got told. I don't know if you know Dr. John Kim, but he just put this thing together for me, and it says in all capital letters, Bed by 10. I'm like, I'm doing bed by 2 is when I normally go to bed.

Here's what's interesting. People who say that they are night owls who go to bed at 2. My sister is like this. I'm calling her out.

Don't tell me.

People who go to bed at 2: 00 AM are actually just leveraging that Bitha fire, which normally would detox you, and you're leveraging that energy to use it for your mind and get your work done. It's totally understandable because It's fun, right? If I keep my brain alive... Let me say that again. If I am working and/or on social media past 10, past 11, all of a sudden around 11: 15, 11: 30, my brain goes, Let's go. Let's work. Let's do things. Come on. Tell your team. My team laughs because they're like, We know. Shivali says all day to sleep by 10. If she's awake and DMing us at 11: 15, that's wrong. We're going to call her out on it. You're just taking the same bit of fire and using it towards your work. You can get away with that a couple of times. It's fine. But it's just not ideal from a health perspective.

It's one of those things when you fall into this pattern, it's It was so hard. For sure. Even at how good the intentions are to get out of it. I was telling Queeny, my wife, I said, Let's do the math and break down if I was to go to bed at 10: 00 and get up at 6: 00. It I'm actually going to be far more productive and have more time to work as opposed to me playing catch up from the moment I get up, having to rush all morning through everything. Even knowing that, it's It's like... And then I start to think, analyze this. If you take the time of day you're working, and then at night, how productive is the day one compared to the night one? It's not even really close. Honestly, the day one is way more productive.

Yes, and look at it this way. In the health and wellness world, we know that our job is to win an inflammation. Our job is to clear our lymphatic system, and then to support our overall well-being. And in IRV, that they teach the circadian clock dominates all. Like, out of every health practice, you can have how you eat, how you exercise, all those things. Sleep and circadian clock alignment is the most important because we are meant to mimic Mother Nature's clock, and we are meant to live in rhythm with Mother Nature. Mother Nature is the ultimate biohack. And so knowing that, that 10: 00 to 6: 00 is really when the sun is down and it's dark out. So we are meant to align to that darkness. And nowadays, it's just so easy to stay awake and we're in bright lights. And I actually just installed dimmers in everybody's bedroom just so I can walk around and start dimming their lights on my children at night. Because I'm like, you guys can't be on laptops, iPhone, and then bright rooms. It doesn't support good sleep. And now, thank goodness, we're having circadian light bulbs. We're talking about red light.

But that shift is really a mindset around, Mother nature says, if I'm sleeping when it's dark and awake when it's light, my entire body will be healthier. I'll have more energy, anti-aging, longevity, all those things. You'll wake up. I have to lecture myself on that sometimes because it's easy to stay up right now when life is busy.

And you know what else? On the nutrition side, you'll wake up And you'll see you're in fat burning mode when you wake up as opposed to carb burning because you didn't sleep enough because the sleep is bad at that late at night. There's so many factors. It's just ridiculous. You're stressing me out.

Sorry, Dylan.

No, it's good because the more I hear this on a personal level, it's a wake-up call.

Well, I will say this. I'm going through a book tour, and a book tour is really intense. I would say it's 30 % more work than my normal life, which pushes sleep. And then it pushes my buttons because I'm pushing sleep. So I'm like, Oh, my gosh, I'm going to teach health, but I'm going to trash my health on this journey. What am I going to do? And so each of us has a button. For me, it causes waking. If I'm I'm not sleeping, I am running more inflamed, and thus I'm not maintaining weight. Then all of a sudden, I'm like, Okay, my wardrobe is not fitting me. Then I'm willing to make a change. Each of us has some button that gets a trigger.

I always do this. I'm not a morning person, but then I think back, well, yeah, I was a morning person this whole time when I was going and everything was perfect. When I moved to Maui, I was getting up at 5: 00 and 6: 00 in the morning, and I was going to bed at 10: 00, 11: 00 because you want to get up because it's so damn nice in the air. Then I forgot what that was like when we moved to Las Vegas because I was working all night.

Sure.

Then it just never got back into rhythm.

Yeah.

Well, then this is a curious question because I know several colleagues now that have written books, and I've never really sat down and asked what it's like to go on the tours and how intense it is. I haven't asked one person, and I've probably got 25, 30 colleagues that have just written books the past couple of years. Tell me what it's like.

Oh, my gosh. A book is a roller coaster. First, you're going to sit and take everything you know and put it in a book, which almost writing the book was the fun and easy part.

Did you write it yourself or have somebody else?

I wrote my book, and then I had an amazing editor come through and edit it because she's like, You think so fast. You don't write as fast as you think. So someone just needed to smooth my writing out. I wanted to put 10 times more knowledge in the book. You're not meant to write dissertations and bore everyone to death with lectures. So she pulled half of everything out of that book and made it much more fun to read. She's like, Let's just leave them with what they need to know and not all the things that you think are interesting in the world.

Are you physically writing this? Are you speaking it? Or what are you doing?

I actually sat and typed it out. I flew to Houston where I'm from. My sister made a snack bowl and a tea kettle in a small office and said, You're not leaving this room until you finish, because I was up against deadline. I flew to Texas twice. My mom and sister watched my kiddos for me, and I just wrote and wrote and wrote. I got 50,000 words down in two weeks, and then I was done. And then the editor had it. She edited it and smoothed it out and made it make more sense because I was trying to give PhD-level nerdy topics to everyone. And then the minute it's done, you're actually stepping onto the marketing journey of the book. Because nowadays, you're not sure, is everyone going to sit down and patiently read a book? Really, I think most people listen to books on audible more than read the physical books. And truly, in the end, a lot of us love social media content. And so a big way to share the book is through social media and through podcast and all these things. So you start the marketing journey very early, and then it just gets really intense right before the book comes up because you're trying to share it the most with the world right when they can order it.

You wrote that whole book in two weeks? Yeah.

Wow. Because I had actually every summer, I pause a little bit and write. We call summers the bit that time of year. Because I'm a bit that, it's burning hot in the summer, I like to stay in. I like to do my creative projects. I've always wanted to write books to impact the world. That was actually why I studied Ayurveda at the level I did and did the PhD. I thought, okay, I know this science works. I know I want the whole world to understand it. It's a treasure chest from India. I'm going to bring those golden nuggets here West where I live. But how am I going to convey that this is so effective? I'll become a teacher of it. I'll become an author of it. I'll become a speaker of it. I had actually written this book twice, two summers before, but I didn't think it was good enough when I threw it in the trash. Then when Hay house called and said, We're going to let you write a book, I couldn't throw it in the trash. I had to write it and really make it a work of art and then get it to publishing.

Wow. I talk to a lot of people in the cost that go along with it and everything, and the Ghostwriters 30, 50 grand that it cost to write one of these books. I'm sitting there asking myself, Is that really worth it? For you, is it more the time that it costs you than anything, or is it a huge investment for somebody that's actually writing their own?

No, it wasn't a huge investment. It was more the time. It's more the, how do you take an ancient wisdom that's 5,000 years old and is in seven ancient texts and simplify it and distill it in a way and give it in metaphors so people will understand it and apply it. For me, when I sit down with a client or with my groups, I always am trying to find what's the leverage point that I can find in them to convince them to make the change.

Okay.

In a book, you have no one in front of you. You're giving all your client stories, all your examples, trying to show someone how to make this change.

Is there a lot of citations and all of that that you have to take and pull from here, here, here, here, and here?

It was more citations than my PhD. It was insane.

That sounds dreadful.

It was. Hayes came back twice and was like, You need more citations. You need more citations. I had to hire researchers to work with me. We did pull half on nighters like you stayed up till two, polling citations and citations. So yeah, it's intense. I had no idea that a health book required so much references. It makes sense, though, because you're making a lot of claims on a lot of information. The problem is my wisdom is 5,000 years old. So my references are in sunscreen, and I can't read them. So I was really struggling.

I might take the James Patterson route and write fiction stuff and do some shit like that. I I dread all of the citations. That's one of the main things that I don't like about school is that because it's so time-consuming. Sure.

When I wrote the book, we were early with ChatGPT. Chatgpt is getting better now.

A little bit... Helping you cite it.

So you can type something in a ChatGPT, and it'll say, Yeah, you pulled two references to say that. You're saying that from here because you are thinking of that study that you read a long time ago, but you are quoting from here. And so it helps now. Okay.

You got better tools than I'm thinking of year 2000 college papers, writing those and just how dreadful.

Yeah.

Man. Okay, so what's the premise of the book then? What's the main subject, and what's your goal by writing it?

I wrote the book because I find women nowadays are really struggling with their health, women and men. It's for both, but I usually write more for women. As we're struggling with that inflammation, the toolkit we're given nowadays is eat cleaner, eat better, work out more, get more steps in, and go do some HRT, and you'll be fine. It's not that simple, and it's not really that basic. I think as women, we need to dive deeper into our wisdom, our true inner wisdom, and understand that we're meant to be living in our circadian rhythm and living according to nature and allow nature to be that ultimate healer. The premise of the book is, Ayurveda as a lifestyle is the true preventive lifestyle. So circadian rhythm, addressing gut health from the Ayurvedic perspective, understanding that you have a mindful medicine chest that's all the herbs and spices you could be reaching for. I call them super spices because we think of superfoods. A lot of times we're eating strawberries and salmon and spinach and all these things. But you could have also reached for ginger, could have reached for cinnamon, opening up the palate. And nowadays we're living such a protein-forward life.

Why not add some spices in there and make it a little more fun and diverse and bring some variety in there and not keep it so boring? I think It's part of the problem is things are so boring and plain and simplified. It's hard to stay consistent. It's hard to stay on those plans. My goal in the book is to show everyone, here's the Iorvita lifestyle. You can implant it into your life, and then you can maintain it forever, and it's free. Living according to nature's rhythm and using everything from nature is much easier. It has no side effect. Yeah.

You've mentioned spices quite a lot. Aside from the obvious, what are some of your favorites or go-to that you recommend that have multitudes of benefits and/or tastes pretty good, too? I am not a big spice person. I never have been, but I started to use cayenne pepper on freaking everything now because I know the benefits, and then I taste it because I don't like hot, spicy stuff, and I can't do a lot of it, but it tastes good on everything.

Yeah, I love everything hot and spicy.

Give me some of your go-to.

One of my favorites is cumin seeds. Cumin seeds in Mexican food and taco reasoning, it's always crushed and ground and in your taco reasoning. In Indian food, we take the whole seeds, and we heat up any oil or butter or ghee, and we put in a pinch of cumin seeds. Let that start to dance and release its aromatics in the pan, and then anything you cook on top of it will be better digested, which I love. Beans, lentils, when people say some foods are hard for them to digest, if you just heat it in cumin, it's like a predigestive that helps the body absorb and digest. The goal in Ayurveda is we want to absorb the nutrition from our food. We want to make sure our digestive fire is strong enough to get that absorption. Nowadays, we'd call that digestive enzymes, but in Ayurveda, we call it your fire. Each thing we talk about where it's really the end goal, is how am I going to help you absorb your food better and get the nutrients out of it? Cumin seeds are great. If your food is leftover, we don't like food past a day old.

I know nowadays everyone likes these meal plans, and they're doing meal prep seven days early. I don't do that. I don't do that. We have food one day old max. But if we are reheating food, let's say one or two days later, I always heat cumin seeds first, put the food on top, and it'll make it better absorbed and reduce the gas and bloating effect that the food can have. So cumin seeds is one of my favorites. Another one is coriander seeds, which is Cilontro. That's a heavy metal detoxer. We know nowadays we need to detox from heavy metals and 20 other things. So I love that one. Another Another great one is fenal seeds. Let's say you are traveling a lot, or let's say you're eating out a lot. When you eat out, if it gives you gas or bloating, you can just chew on some fenal seeds, and it gets rid of that. It's like a post-digestive. That's why when you eat in an Indian restaurant, they've got fenal seeds on the checkout- They already know the drill. With some sugar because they know they're going to give you a heartburn. They're going to give you way too many spices for your system, and fenal seeds will cool you down.

I love Super Spices as a strategic solution. What we have around us. Even cinnamon will help with blood sugar levels, and it's anti-inflammatory. Then you get into adaptogens from Ayurveda. You've got ashwagandha, you've got shethaveri. These adaptogens are beautiful. I put them into T's because typically we're not going to find them in the kitchen. But when you have stress and anxiety, they can calm you down a couple notches. Bring cortisol down. If you're depressed and have the blues, they lift you up. That's a natural thermostat that has an intelligence in the body. I love ashwagandha and these things. Okay.

I'm laughing when you bring up cinnamon, and I'll tell you why. You already know my personality, and it's like, go hard, right? When you like something. I remember very specifically learning about the benefits of cinnamon, and I used to eat oatmeal every day, literally. I was like, Okay, I can't get these maple brown sugars and all these things. I'm just eating plain oatmeal because I don't want to... Now, I don't touch oatmeal. That's another story. But I remember getting on the cinnamon kick, and I overdid it so bad. I was loading that thing up, and my mom and my wife kept saying, You got to stop. You got to stop. I don't even eat it anymore because I'm scared because I don't like the taste anymore. But it is so good for you if you control But oh, my God. If you would have seen the amount I used to load in there and do it with the protein powder. But yeah, that you can overdo it on anything, I guess, is the point.

Correct.

You have the fusionary line. I learned about it when I met you and I tried everything. I'm not a tea guy at all, at all. I like yours, and that's rare for me. There's a couple that I will taste of my wife's, but I'm not a big… It's just never been. I'm a coffee guy. But yours are great. You have T's and then you have the tumouric gold. What's the difference with this gold product as opposed to... Because I always battled this, well, protein powder is all protein powder. That was a battle I had forever when I was Training athletes and stuff. Back then, especially, I think more people are aware now, but that's one of those things. For people that are going, Oh, it's just another tumor supplement, and it's maybe more expensive or what, why? What's so better about yours, and why is it gold?

Sure. Years ago, it was the Wall Street Journal or the New York Times that did an article that went and investigated supplements in big box retailer shelves. When they did that, they found that up to 75% of the supplements on those shelves were fake or adulterated and did not have the key ingredients at the level stated on the bottom. I remember seeing that article and thinking, Oh, my God, when I buy vitamin D, I need it to be vitamin D. Are you kidding me right now? I have an immune system that always needs help. You can't give me fake supplements. That's a huge issue. I would be screwed. And so that was so illuminating to me because I realized you can't always trust the supplements you're buying. Nowadays, everyone's buying them off Amazon. They're like, let's just auto-ship. It's just easier. No, it's not. A lot of what's on Amazon is coming out fake, and it's even big company supplements. People are faking them in 2 seconds and then shipping them to you. I have colleagues and friends who said their own product lines are being faked and sold through Amazon. We're living in a moment that's a bit crazy.

What's good is there are a lot of supplements that have been built for functional medicine, integrative medicine, and these spaces. We do have access to these special product lines built for efficacy. In functional medicine, the doctors know if your product works. In a doctor's office, they know. My orthos know if something works or doesn't. When I built my supplement company, I had just done the PhD, and everyone kept asking me, Whose supplement should I take? I was like, I don't know. I'll go to Whole Foods. I'll go to Sprouts. I love these stores. Let me go see. Even I couldn't tell the difference between those product lines. I thought, Okay, well, I don't know who to recommend yet. Let me figure it out. I had a group of doctors who said, You know what? If you can actually prove that tumor is actually effective, which we don't really believe, but if you could prove it, we would use it. I said, You know what? I'm going to go for it. I'm going to try. I visited with a supplier in India who is incredible, and they are always pushing the science of curcumin. I go to India to meet with them and meet the farmers and everything.

They're always like, Svani, nobody flies here and asks us to do better and tells us they're willing to pay anything. You're the only crazy girl who shows up here and is like, How do I push even further in curcumin science? Because that's what excites me the most. I built my formulas, and in year one, I built my company completely backwards. I built it for impact, not for profit, but that was my dream. When I put it into doctors' hands, they were like, This really works. This is insane. The patients come into our office every month to pick up your stuff. They're not even coming to see us. It's great. You are handling our chronic joint pain community. Perfect. Now Now we can go find the people who really need our help or surgery, and we help them. That, to me, was such a light bulb moment because I was like, Okay, we really have something here. That's the ethos I took, and that's what I've been doing for the last decade, meeting with doctors. Then a couple of years ago, people were like, Well, what about the rest of us? Then I started sharing it online with everybody.

That's great. What's in this that's different?

It's 500 milligrams of curcumin. The way that they extracted our curcumin mimics It's the proportion of Mother Nature. We didn't extract it in the cheapest way possible just to barely touch a standard. We extracted it with our methods to reach way above the standard. The fact that we're that 97 and 98% grade potency and the body understands what to do with it increases that absorption. Then we add black pepper to increase the absorption as well. Then it goes in the body. What's good is I make it in the United States, so I third-party test for microbes, heavy metals, and everything pre, mid, and post-production. Which is pretty much going to be the new standard in the functional medicine supplement space anyway. But that's really important, too, because we want the customer to be safe.

So many people take a shortcut and they don't test, or they test one and then never test again.

We test every batch.

How expensive is that?

It adds up. Everything adds up. Even producing in the US adds up. From the beginning, everyone's like, Just make this abroad. Just source from China. What do you care?

You don't know what you're getting.

I was like, I won't take it. If I'm not willing to take it, I I can't make a product like that. I have to make it so I want to take it. I trust it.

Very easy to say and very frustrating to hear from people that have never run a business or just don't care about people.

Well, the self-meant world is like that.

I know. That's why I got out of it.

You can make anything for nothing and sell it, and people will buy it because they know tumor is good. But I have met thousands of people who said to me, I take tumor every day, but I don't feel anything. And then I took yours, and I actually felt something, and now I can't leave you. I'm like, Let me now teach you how to win an inflammation without tumor. That's what the book is for. You can actually win without taking a supplement. You shouldn't take a supplement forever. That's my job, too, is to teach you how to win without the supplement.

It's just nice that there's a few people out there that have the right motive, because I'm telling you, I learned at my early 30s when I got involved into it, and what I have observed and seen has jaded me to no end. But the good thing is, is in our space, there's always going to be bad people. We were talking about that camera, but there's a lot of people that actually have a good intention. Then the people that complain about the product costing more don't realize it's because you're actually getting what you're supposed to. That all of the work is being done and paid for that you have to do. That costs a lot of money.

It does. To do things right and to take the right path is always going to take a little more. It will take more effort, time, love, support, all those things.

There are no shortcuts in hype. I know that everybody wants to think there's not. I know. Every shortcut often leads to a longer, more difficult road.

It's terrible. But we're living in a world like that. I know. Everyone's like, Let's just inject this. Let's just win. I'm like, Yeah, and the basics are still important.

Little hard work concept got lost in translation. Ulation, along with a lot of others. Chalk it up there with accountability, credibility. I mean, I could go on and on. That's a whole another conversation. Yes, it is. Well, I can't look at the clock and it's like, Well, where'd the time go? Well, we should do it again because I think we got through a fraction of what we probably wanted to, but it was fun and enlightening. I wanted you to come because I wanted to let everybody see what you got going on and see this book. I don't like to bring on everybody to promote stuff, but you are not promoting. You're helping and aiding, so I want to aid in that journey with you. Thank you for taking the time and for doing this because sitting down and doing all that and taking time away from what else you're doing is not easy. I appreciate it. Tell everybody when the book's coming out, where to buy it, and then where they can get this gold standard tumor and everything else to follow you. I'll link it all for everybody.

Perfect. The book is theinflammationCode. Com. My website is my name, shivanigupta. Com, S-H-I-V-A-N-I-G-U-P-T-A. Then the supplements are at fusionaryformulas. Com. We made a special code, Jameli15. We'll give everyone 15% off on their first order. There you go. If they want more info, I'm on Instagram and all the social channels as Dr. Shmani Gupta.

Perfect. Well, there you go. I didn't even know there was going to be a deal, but you got one today. So thank you for that as well. Yeah. Well, thanks again for coming and seeing me. I'll continue to help you any way I can. You deserve it. I appreciate all of it, as I said. For me, I got a little bit of extra education, too, and maybe a kick in the ass to go to sleep earlier. So thank you.

Yes. That's a win for me.

Yes, I love it. All right, everybody. Well, thanks again. I hope you find this enlightening and helpful. Check out Shivali's book and go follow her online. You'll be doing yourself and your health in incredible favor. So that being said, stay tuned for plenty more to come. Dylan Jameli signing off.