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This episode of The Dan Le Batard Show covers a wide-ranging afternoon of sports and pop-culture talk with David Samson. The hosts debate why Dolphins games draw visiting fans, whether the expanded college football playoff is good for the sport, and how European supporters' power over clubs compares with American fandom.

Samson argues that teams lose their home crowds mainly when they lose games, while Mike Ryan contends that college football fans have unusual leverage over decisions. The conversation also turns to the Nvidia CEO's resignation after an affair, the business logic of prenups, and the Dane Cook documentary about a brother's theft.

Listeners get a mix of sports analysis, business context and playful betting picks.

In this episode Dan Le Batard, Mike Ryan, David Samson

The transcript of this Dan Le Batard Show episode on the AI chip CEO scandal was made with the same technology behind HappyScribe's Zoom meeting notes.

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Speaker 200:00:12

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Coming up after postgame today, a new episode of Football America Live. Football America with Dave Damishack, again, immediately following postgame here, a new episode of Football America. Our pal is David Samson, weekday mornings, nothing personal with David Samson. David, good morning, hello?

Mike Ryan00:00:44

Uh—

Amin00:00:45

Oh no, muted—

Mike Ryan00:00:46

No technical difficulty—

Amin00:00:48

Good morning—

Mike Ryan00:00:49

Ah, there it is—

Speaker 200:00:49

Hello—

Amin00:00:50

Hello, it means—

Speaker 200:00:51

Hello, there he is—

Mike Ryan00:00:52

Hello, Edward Armour, a winner—

Amin00:00:54

David, I started off the show today saying how, for the first time in probably 20 years, I sat down and watched in its entirety the movie Heat. When is the last time you saw Heat?

David Samson00:01:04

In its entirety?

Amin00:01:05

Yeah, like you sat down and you're like, "I'mma watch"—

Mike Ryan00:01:07

20 years.

Amin00:01:08

Right, yeah, me too—

Mike Ryan00:01:08

Wow—

Amin00:01:09

So long—

David Samson00:01:09

But I've seen snippets of it since, because if it's on, I'm gonna watch it, but I'm not— it's not one of my watch-to-completion movies. I've got like a list of 30 movies, like A Few Good Men is an example, that no matter where it is, if I— that movie's on, I watch it until it finishes. Ed TV is an example of a movie that no matter what, I will watch until it finishes.

Amin00:01:30

Really?

Mike Ryan00:01:30

Ed TV?

David Samson00:01:32

I love Ed TV. I just love it. I mean, anytime you can get Rob Reiner in a penis pump, you know you need to stay in place.

Amin00:01:39

Everyone knows that—

David Samson00:01:39

It's like shelter in place. But Heat is— it's a very big commitment, especially when there's commercials.

Amin00:01:46

Right, well, no, I— I decided I made it a point, like, you know what, I'm gonna sit down and I'mma watch Heat right now. I'm gonna devote 2 hours and 15 minutes, I got the time tonight, and I'mma sit and watch it. It had been like 20 years. Is it the best—

David Samson00:01:59

What a marriage you have—

Amin00:02:00

It's great, right?

David Samson00:02:01

On Monday there's no Heat game. What— what is it, Zaz? No Heat, no Panthers, no Dolphins, no Hurricanes?

Mike Ryan00:02:07

That's right.

David Samson00:02:07

So you sit for 2:50, watch a flick, while people at the— I assume the Zazlow Mansion are like, "Hey, where's Dad?" Ah, whatever, it doesn't matter.

Amin00:02:15

And there was no wrestling! You left out wrestling!

David Samson00:02:17

Oh, sorry—

Amin00:02:18

We had some free time last night. No, my wife goes upstairs, she watches her shows. She's watching that— what's the one called right now with, uh, Kirsten Bell? The— where she matches Rob Reiner?

Mike Ryan00:02:27

Oh, nobody wants this—

Amin00:02:29

Yeah, nobody wants this. She's— she's into that, so she's watching that right now. I'm watching Heat—

Mike Ryan00:02:32

Billings wants it—

Amin00:02:33

Yeah. There you go. Great movie.

David Samson00:02:35

Listen, I am the last guy to talk about marital bliss, that's all I'll say.

Mike Ryan00:02:39

What's your favorite Michael Mann film?

David Samson00:02:41

What are my choices? I think Heat's gotta be it—

Amin00:02:43

All of the Michael Mann films—

David Samson00:02:46

I can't think of them off the top of my head, Mike—

Mike Ryan00:02:48

I got you—

Speaker 200:02:48

It's Collateral—

Mike Ryan00:02:49

Uh-huh—

Amin00:02:50

I like that—

Speaker 200:02:51

My advice—

Amin00:02:52

Ali—

David Samson00:02:53

No—

Amin00:02:53

Good—

Speaker 200:02:54

I thought— I thought you were— you would probably pick Ali because of, uh, your personal relationship with Muhammad Ali.

David Samson00:03:00

Uh, he was just part of a show that I saw last night. I saw Billy Crystal on Broadway. I'm gonna review it in full on Broadway—

Mike Ryan00:03:06

Oh, I don't like that guy—

Amin00:03:07

I don't think so—

Mike Ryan00:03:08

Everybody knows—

Amin00:03:08

I don't like him—

Mike Ryan00:03:09

You don't like Billy Crystal?

Speaker 200:03:10

No, that's—

David Samson00:03:10

I've never met anyone who doesn't like Billy Crystal—

Amin00:03:12

It's where the legend of—

Speaker 200:03:13

It's where the legend of—

Mike Ryan00:03:13

Says being a cock started—

Speaker 200:03:15

Oh, that's where I happened—

Mike Ryan00:03:15

It was The Dream, where, you know, he had to watch Billy Crystal get down on it.

Amin00:03:21

Damn—

Mike Ryan00:03:22

Did he throw your mama from a train?

David Samson00:03:25

Ah, I see what you mean—

Amin00:03:26

That's a good movie—

Mike Ryan00:03:26

Excellent reference—

Amin00:03:27

Hey, uh, David, I have a list of Michael Mann movies for you.

David Samson00:03:31

Go—

Amin00:03:31

All right, the— the big ones, that is. The Last of the Mohicans?

David Samson00:03:35

Daniel Day-Lewis—

Amin00:03:36

Right—

David Samson00:03:36

Like it—

Amin00:03:37

Heat—

Mike Ryan00:03:38

Yeah—

Amin00:03:39

The Insider— Oh, that's a good— I like The Insider—

David Samson00:03:41

Russell Crowe, I won't watch that again, but great movie—

Amin00:03:44

Really? I've watched it a bunch. It's a great movie—

Mike Ryan00:03:46

He did Mindhunter, right?

Amin00:03:47

He did not do the movie Mindhunter— Uh, Ali, Collateral, Miami Vice, Public Enemies. That's with, uh, Johnny Depp—

Mike Ryan00:03:55

Johnny Depp and Christian Bale—

Amin00:03:56

Yeah— Black Hat, and then Ferrari. I did not know he did the Ferrari movie—

David Samson00:04:01

4V Ferrari?

Amin00:04:02

No, no, no, just Ferrari—

Mike Ryan00:04:03

What's that about—

David Samson00:04:04

Just Ferrari?

Amin00:04:04

Yep—

David Samson00:04:05

I don't know that I know Just Ferrari—

Mike Ryan00:04:06

It's Adam— Adam Driver, right?

Amin00:04:08

Ferrari, yeah. It is the biographical sports drama film, starring—

David Samson00:04:11

Why did you say that?

Amin00:04:12

—the one in the—

Mike Ryan00:04:13

Adam Driver—

Amin00:04:14

So he's working on Adam Driver—

David Samson00:04:15

No, there's none of those movies that would make my list a meme. Not— the list, remember, it's not a very big list—

Amin00:04:20

Yeah—

David Samson00:04:20

Where no matter what you're doing, you stop, drop, and watch—

Mike Ryan00:04:25

I think he's got two—

Amin00:04:26

That's not a lot—

Mike Ryan00:04:26

Of those movies— I think he's got two of those movies— Heat is his masterpiece, but Collateral's not very far behind—

Amin00:04:31

Right—

Mike Ryan00:04:31

Collateral's amazing—

Amin00:04:32

Manhunter was the movie we—

Mike Ryan00:04:33

Manhunter, I'm sorry, yeah—

Amin00:04:34

Yeah—

Mike Ryan00:04:35

Confuse it with the Netflix series, which is, you know, kind of similar—

Amin00:04:37

Yeah, it's killers—

Mike Ryan00:04:38

Yeah, uh, that— that movie was part of the whole Silence of the Lambs franchise—

Amin00:04:44

Manhunter?

Mike Ryan00:04:45

Manhunter, yeah—

Amin00:04:45

Was it?

Mike Ryan00:04:46

Yes—

David Samson00:04:46

That's a funny word for it, Mike— franchise—

Mike Ryan00:04:49

It is, it has—

David Samson00:04:49

Silence of the Lambs— when they made that, do you think they were thinking, when they were talking about Chianti and Clarice was looking at, uh, Hannibal saying, "This could be a franchise"?

Mike Ryan00:04:57

Well, there's— yeah, there's four— four films in the franchise—

David Samson00:05:00

Hello, Clarice— Hello, that's very good, I mean—

Amin00:05:03

Thank you—

Mike Ryan00:05:04

David, I wanna ask you about the Dolphins game this past weekend, where, look, Dolphin games, especially when they're popular teams that they're playing, you're always going to get a decent portion of fans for the visiting team, all right? Last weekend against the Lions, I've never seen anything like that where it's— it's not New York, it's not Philadelphia, it's not Boston, it's Detroit, and it was a sea of blue.

It was a sea of Lions fans. I was— like, I was shocked to see that. As someone like yourself, who I know you've said before, when a visiting team would be in town with the Marlins, you didn't care what team they root for as long as they're in the building and they're having a good time and they're spending money. But that's not always the case with football, with the NFL. Like, do you think the Dolphins brass— like, does Steven Ross care when he sees that last weekend?

David Samson00:05:58

It must drive him crazy. One of the things, you know, I can say that I wanted to sell tickets and it felt good, but it's not great when your own team is booed at home or when you're being drowned out. Just think about this last World Series, the number of Brewers fans in Tampa, and you saw what happened after they won game five. There were thousands and thousands of fans. It was like a home game. And that's something— it happens at Heat games. I've been to Heat games where the Knicks just overwhelm the Heat fans, even when the Heat were good.

So it's a— it's very much a Florida thing in that it doesn't happen in New York, it doesn't happen in Milwaukee. And I was surprised with the Lions, 'cause I didn't know they traveled. I didn't know there were a bunch of—

Amin00:06:40

Me neither—

David Samson00:06:40

—Lions fans in South Florida. Maybe it's 'cause the weather is much better at this time of year. But the reality is, as I thought about it, and I did think about it, Zaz, it's 'cause the Dolphins just stink so badly that anyone who has any interest in the Dolphins as being their primary sort of target of fun and cheering and uniform wearing, they've been broken. They're— they're done this year, after, listen, 26 years of complete ineffectiveness. So I think you're seeing it more and more with teams when they're bad.

When the Dolphins are good, it still exists, but not like it did last week.

Amin00:07:16

I— I'll add on to that. First of all, the Knicks in San Antonio was overwhelming.

Mike Ryan00:07:20

Yeah—

Amin00:07:21

Every game was—

Mike Ryan00:07:21

And— and in Philadelphia, it's close to—

Amin00:07:23

But game five—

Mike Ryan00:07:23

Train ride—

Amin00:07:24

—game five, the Clincher, it was— it was Madison Square Garden. It was— you couldn't even hear people cheering for the Spurs. But specifically to the Dolphins, it's a— it's a couple things. Number one, the team is bad. Anytime the team is bad, what David is describing is, if I own season tickets to the Dolphins and I'm given the option of either A, going to this game to watch them get their heads bashed in, or B, some Jamoke from Detroit who's flying down wants to pay me even closer—

Mike Ryan00:07:52

But that's also a point, like, I didn't know Lions fans travel like that—

Amin00:07:54

But— but they do, because here's the thing about the NFL, this is why the NFL is really the perfect sport. It's a weekend proposition. I can fly down from Detroit, go to this game, and be back home in time to go to work on Monday morning. You really can't do that in any other of the professional sports. And like David said, what's the weather like in Detroit right now? What's the weather like in Miami right now? Hell yeah, that's— hey guys, let's go on a road trip. We're gonna go down to Miami. We'll fly down there. We can get tickets probably for close to face, because they're terrible, and whoever has those season tickets just wants to leave with his shirt on his back.

And then we can have a good time and still make it back in time for Monday morning work. That's a great road trip for a weekend, a great vacation. It's the reason why Vegas will always do well in attendance, because people are like, "Let's go to Vegas for the weekend. We'll make a weekend out of it. Let's go to Miami for the weekend." It'll never happen the opposite. The Lions have been terrible forever, up until the last few years. No one's like, "Hey, we should go to Detroit in November to catch this game, because that's the cheapest way we're gonna get to a Lions game."

David Samson00:08:56

But if you're asking about Steve Ross, when you watch a team that's yours and you're losing and you've got fans that are making it seem like a road game, you're just despondent on so many levels. But the road fans never go above the fact that we stink. The fact that—

Amin00:09:13

Yeah—

David Samson00:09:13

—we stink is always the number one thing that bothers an executive way more so. But it's on the list, but it's below the— it's below the line that you're filling your stadium with Lions.

Amin00:09:24

I'll be honest with you, David, when I worked for the Suns, we were really good, and when the Lakers came to town, you just knew half this building is gonna be wearing purple and gold, because for these people from LA, that's an hour flight, and by the way, a lot cheaper to go to a game in Phoenix than it is to go at Staples. And we just accepted it. Now come playoff time, all those season ticket holders who were selling those tickets for regular season matchups, they tend to keep them, so it was much more of a home environment in the playoffs than it was during the regular season.

Mike Ryan00:09:53

David, I— I saw your take on the CFP, and I— I really disagree with it. Um, it's the same kind of stuff that you're seeing from the— the people issuing statements that are basically like F them fans. You— you think that ultimately more playoff games are gonna be good for the sport and it's gonna be good for business. And— and here's my argument against it. We are in a world where rights can go down. Now the four majors, national TV rights, they've all gone up, but we might be approaching a spot where they go down. And they have gone down on the local level, but sports like the MLS, UFC, NASCAR, WWE, they will never see the kind of money that they got in their most recent national deals.

Why? Because in large part, those sports in particular did things that their fan bases didn't like. They made life harder for their fan bases. Now, college football's not nearly as niche, but this is overwhelmingly unpopular. People like the tradition of the regular season games mattering, and I think you're overlooking the long-term damage that this can do to the sport by just hoisting up CFP games.

David Samson00:10:58

Mike, I wanna clarify something with you, because I wanna make sure I didn't misspeak. I'm not a pro when it comes to college football, so I didn't actually say whether this was good or bad for the sport. I was really just talking about the business and explaining why the decision was made. I wasn't making a judgment about whether fans benefit from this or not, because I don't have an opinion. My guess is I'd always rather go to a playoff game than a regular season game, but that's speaking more professionally, and I never went to Wisconsin weekend games, so I just don't know.

But from a business standpoint, I can only tell you, Mike, that when you have an opportunity to get more revenue, to get more money, and whether or not you think that certain fans or there's gonna be noise around change, which there always is noise around change, which is why to be a change leader, you have to be willing to ignore the noise, or else there'll— there'll be stagnation every day. The amount of money that's being brought in, including the net of the ESPN deal, which is what they signed for the expanded playoffs, minus what they gave back for not having conference football championship weekend, that amount of money that's going to conferences and to playoff teams is still enough that these teams are in favor.

Mike Ryan00:12:13

David—

David Samson00:12:13

That's all I was saying—

Amin00:12:14

David, let me ask you a question, but on this topic, right? When Europe went through this about, "Hey, we're gonna create a Super League, and this is gonna be great for business, we're gonna get all the best clubs, but maybe this might deteriorate to some of the fan experience and certainly to the smaller clubs," Europe collectively lost their mind, and the— that business proposition basically was abandoned. Do you think there's something inherently different about the European consumer that makes them tougher to crack than the American consumer?

'Cause I would think college football is a tough, rabid consumer base. Or is it that the European businesses don't have the heart from a capitalism standpoint that American capitalists do?

David Samson00:12:56

Well, remember, a lot of the owners of those EPL teams are Americans who own those teams. They just underestimated the entitlement of fans over in Europe. It's like nothing I've ever seen. When I went to Liverpool against Man U, they were marching about Tom Hicks in a way, back when Tom Hicks owned the team prior to John Henry taking over in Liverpool. It was staggering. If you thought the vitriol in the US is you hire a guy to fly a— a— a plane that has a banner that says, "Sell the team," or you write up a sign that your kindergartner can do with a magic marker, you know, "Screw you, sell your team," that's child's play.

What goes on in Europe with those fans, there are— there are groups of fans, and Mike knows this well, I assume, where they feel like they've got not just a seat at the table, but maybe the most important seat at the table in terms of the operation of their team. They're called supporters. They're not even called fans. It's a different word, and that just doesn't exist in the US. However rabid you are as a fan base in the US, however you think that you love the Hurricanes or et cetera, I'd be interested to hear your take on this, Mike. I assume you recognize that your fandom of the Hurricanes pales in comparison to the fandom that people feel for their EPL team in— in Europe.

Mike Ryan00:14:12

I don't think that's true.

Speaker 200:14:13

Uh, in terms of my individual passion.

Mike Ryan00:14:16

Yeah.

Speaker 200:14:16

It— it's on the line, but in terms of the power that collective fan bases have, everything pales in comparison to what they have over in Europe. I mean, they stopped Super League from happening, at least for the moment, and a lot of them have poison pills, even Chelsea. Like, they can't do— they can't make a stadium deal without going to a founders club that owns parts of the pitch. Like, these are actual real estate deals, and a lot of these clubs have poison pills like that where you just can't come in and be a capitalist.

Amin00:14:41

The legal power is what you're saying.

Speaker 200:14:42

Yeah. But in the United States, David, the closest thing that we have to that kind of consumer power is in college football. How many head coaches have been stopped by message boards? You know, Texas A&M doesn't hire stoops. Gregg Sciano doesn't go to Tennessee. Like, these things happen because, unlike the other sports, your consumers that buy tickets, also, you're relying on donations. And that model is not being taken off the table. No matter how much you increase revenue sharing, they are never going to take someone that is willing to give you, you know, $50,000 a year.

Amin00:15:13

No, no. No more. We.

Speaker 200:15:13

Yeah.

Amin00:15:14

We have capitalism to take care of that now.

Speaker 200:15:15

Yeah. So these people have a lot of influence, and that— I don't see that part going away. I do think that if there were ever a fan base to band together and say, "This is nonsense. Let's put an end to it," it's college football, and I do think there's going to be lasting damage. While the— the expanded— we'll be all there watching the expanded playoff, and yeah, I'll get up for, you know, SMU Iowa, and I'll be thirsty for steaks by the time they roll around. My bet is this expanded field, as presently constituted with the bloated conferences and all that, is going to go away.

And you're already seeing some capitulations, the, uh, the necessity to schedule legitimate P4 competition. I do think that Miami's going to be a curious case. If they go independent, strike their own media rights deal, you may see some of these programs be like, "Well, independence is better for us." And you might see more and more key games during the regular season. Some big change is gonna come out of this because of how negatively it's going to be received.

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David Samson00:18:27

How quickly did the Super League fans stand up? Do you remember how that worked when the announcement came and it was that night? That it wasn't just bad PR. Bad PR happens when an executive cheats on his wife or— or her husband, or something happens with the coach, or there's, you know, Bill Belichick on a ring cam for crying out loud. It's such— it's such child's play compared to what goes on in Europe where it was that night.

Amin00:18:53

Riots.

David Samson00:18:54

The college— it's un— it's unreal. The CFP expansion was announced, and yeah, you've got people with takes on the air, you've got a few commissioners, "Hey, we're gonna evaluate this, we're not quite sure." Other commissioners were like, "Yeah, this is good." Some fan bases were like, "Eh, it may not be good for the sport." You're a great example. You've got a large voice with great reach, and you commented saying, "No, this is not good for the fans, I don't like it." But that was it. In Europe, it's quick and it's deep, and it's not just people with a platform of millions, it's people with a platform of zero getting together and combining it.

So I just think it's not comparable.

Mike Ryan00:19:30

David, we're gonna get to the bucket here in a couple minutes, and we wanna include you, of course, but first, Amin, can you explain to me, and— and obviously I want David's thoughts as well, can you explain to me, like I'm a five-year-old, what this Nvidia story is?

Amin00:19:43

Oh, man, I've been waiting all week to talk about this. All right, Nvidia is the company that makes the chips that most of the AI in— at least in the Western world runs on, right? Very important company, has been skyrocketing in stock price for years now, right? The CEO of Nvidia allegedly has an affair, and the woman turns out to allegedly be a Chinese spy. So there are all sorts of implications on a national security level, uh, about this kind of breach. My thing is, I don't wanna talk about the serious implications.

David, I'll leave it to you as our resident business expert. I just wanna talk about what kind of s— secrets would you give up to someone who was seducing you? 'Cause I'm thinking about it if, like, for instance, there was a spy that wanted a corporate espionage spy wanted to know stuff about, "Yo, how do you guys do things at MetaLark?" And she was like, "Hey, you're hot, you got your shirt open and all." I'm like, "Ah, thank you." And we go out on a couple dates, she makes me feel good, da da da, and then, like, we're in bed, and she goes like, "So, like, what kind of cameras do you guys use in studio?" I'm like, "Shut up.

I'm not talking about work right now. Just get— get back to ."

Speaker 200:20:48

You're also like, "I don't know." Like, whatever.

David Samson00:20:50

I don't think it was necessarily that. I think it was her professionalism that he trusted, because she wasn't no bum.

Mike Ryan00:20:57

Sure.

David Samson00:20:57

He thought that she was kind of a peer, so he found a peer that he could share some of his trades with, so he fell for that.

Amin00:21:04

But you're just— I'm just still saying, like, even if it was someone like, "Oh yeah, you know a lot about the— the— the podcast or the broadcasting business," like, I'm not talking about that. We're talking about, "Yo, give me a banana and a bottle of water and let me listen to round two or whatever." I'm not talking who's— even if I'm friends with this person, I'm like, "Hey, look at this meme of the Nvidia CEO." I'm sharing those. I'm not sharing state secrets. Like, there's nothing in my mind that could ever lead from, like, seduction to divulging something that is not public domain that, by the way, could damage my business by way of someone finding out something.

Mike Ryan00:21:41

Well, so and do we know how much info he divulged?

Amin00:21:45

David?

David Samson00:21:45

One second, guys. It's the woman that we're talking about was actually in the C-suite of another company. It wasn't that she was just a spy and worked for the government. Well, you could argue that the companies work for the government, but we can talk about China another day. But she is rumored to be part of the Chinese intelligence network.

Amin00:22:06

Mm-hmm.

David Samson00:22:07

But it was like going to a— a conference that any of us would go to and seeing someone else who does what we do and who's, "Hey, let's have some drinks and just see what happens."

Amin00:22:18

Sure.

David Samson00:22:18

That— that's what happened. But then what happened two days ago, or yesterday, he also had an affair with someone who worked for him.

Amin00:22:26

Ah.

David Samson00:22:26

Inside Nvidia.

Amin00:22:27

Shucks.

David Samson00:22:28

And when that came to light, that was sort of the final straw that caused him to resign today.

Amin00:22:34

He's a cocksmith.

David Samson00:22:35

Though, on— listen, on nothing personal, yesterday we were pretty clear two days ago, or five days ago, when this happened, he— he couldn't survive it. There's too much money at stake now. It's too big a company, as Amin said. There's too much market price. There's too much equity owned by employees and institutional investors that you just are not gonna have the distraction. There's a lot of talk that, "Oh, it's the biggest divorce ever. His wife's gonna leave him. She's gonna be worth $81 billion more than Gates, more than— more than Bezos's ex." You know, whatever.

Amin00:23:05

I love divorces.

David Samson00:23:06

And divorces.

Amin00:23:06

And divorces.

David Samson00:23:07

Yeah.

Speaker 200:23:08

Yeah, and she could also put that money and short the AI market and become the world's richest person if they do that. I— I just wanna, uh, clarify one thing. Um, the US reportedly did know about the Chinese espionage ties and still allowed them on very secure places, and the US Commerce Department was approving sales of Nvidia chips to companies in China which either did not exist or were on the sanctions list and/or had ties to Chinese military per The New York Times.

Amin00:23:33

Nvidia CEO White.

David Samson00:23:34

You can't be shocked at any of this.

Amin00:23:37

Sure.

David Samson00:23:37

What is shocking to me is how quickly it can unravel and the decisions that men or women make when they've got huge, huge jobs that are very public at public companies when they are even in sports. Whatever you're doing, everybody makes a decision at some point, and the majority of people say, you know, "WTF, I'm not gonna get caught, and if I get caught, I'll tip my cap and say it was worth it." And then you get caught and you're forced to resign, and all of a sudden you're like, "Well, wait a minute, that doesn't seem worth it." I'm not sure what is going on in his mind right now, but what I do know is he's not fighting resi.

It was just a fait accompli that, "Okay, that's it, I'm resigning." And what happened is the board likely said to him, "We cannot go to our institutional investors and continue like this. We have to make a change. You can either go ahead and resign or you're gonna be fired." And he didn't fight it at all. He just walked away. And it makes sense to me. And so I— I don't blame him, and this is— I— I mean this. This happens everywhere. In every country, in every industry, in every family, there are people who cheat.

The question is, are you willing to pay the price? It's like using a credit card. It feels good when you're using it, and then the bill comes due. The bill is gonna come due, and then does it change what you would do? And the majority of times, the answer is no. No matter how rich you are, no matter how poor you are, at the end of the day, people like companionship, they like feeling good, and they like risk.

Amin00:25:09

She's not on Instagram, guys.

David Samson00:25:10

That's it.

Amin00:25:10

I tried. I don't know how else to connect.

Speaker 200:25:13

The second one?

Amin00:25:14

No. I'm looking— I'm looking for that 81.

David Samson00:25:17

Yes, you. Amin, if you're gonna— if you're gonna make a play here, you're not making a play for who he had the affairs with.

Amin00:25:24

Oh.

David Samson00:25:24

You're making a play for his ex-wife.

Amin00:25:25

I don't want no spies around me. I want a good woman who stands by my side and is loyal. And I see you, Lori, and I wanna let you know I'm loyal too. I won't do you like Jensen did. You need to come over here and get with a real one. Look at this. I got a 5 o'clock shadow going and my shirt's open and I got my little chain on.

Speaker 200:25:42

That's why you're wearing that.

Amin00:25:43

Yeah.

Speaker 200:25:44

You're hoarding.

David Samson00:25:44

But Amin, how big a prenup?

Amin00:25:47

Oh.

David Samson00:25:47

What would you require? Because obviously when she gets remarried, there's gonna be a prenup.

Speaker 200:25:51

Let me be ah, Billy. Just ah, Billy.

Amin00:25:53

Oh, oh, a prenup on her end.

David Samson00:25:54

On Billy.

Amin00:25:55

Oh, I'm sorry. I was like, "What prenup? She don't need a prenup. You can have anything."

Speaker 200:25:59

Ah, Billy, we win a few natties, we'll— we'll all be happy.

Amin00:26:02

I— look, I— I just wanna— I— I'll— I'll settle for a very modest $50 million.

Mike Ryan00:26:07

That's humble of you, by the way.

Amin00:26:09

Very humble.

Speaker 200:26:09

That's why you're good.

Amin00:26:10

Because I— I'm— I'm in love. I— that's how I—

Mike Ryan00:26:13

But you also stand with Jay— Jaden Daniels' mom too.

Amin00:26:15

Not anymore.

Mike Ryan00:26:16

Oh, you're out of it?

Amin00:26:18

Ah, look.

Mike Ryan00:26:18

You're not standing behind her.

Amin00:26:19

Look, if Lori Wong is calling— Lori Mills, excuse me. You use your— you use your maiden name, and by the way, I will never have you. Matter of fact, I'll take your name.

Speaker 200:26:27

She means nothing, Amin.

Amin00:26:28

Amin Mills. Amin Mills is my—

David Samson00:26:29

The way the majority of prenups work, Amin.

Amin00:26:31

Yes?

David Samson00:26:32

Is that you get an annual salary where the longer you stay with her.

Amin00:26:35

Oh.

David Samson00:26:35

The more money you get out of it.

Mike Ryan00:26:37

Nah, I need that lump sum.

Amin00:26:38

No, no.

David Samson00:26:38

And so do you want the ups— lump sum up front?

Amin00:26:41

Yeah.

David Samson00:26:41

Do you want no sort of guarantee that you've gotta invest multiple years? What's your position as your representative? I wanna help you because I think you have a shot with her.

Amin00:26:51

David.

David Samson00:26:52

She's in the market. She's got 81 bill and she's looking for love, so just tell me which direction you want me to go.

Amin00:26:58

David, my position is usually from behind, but this is what I'll say. I will say that whatever she wants. You want a lump sum, I'll do a lump sum. You wanna do annual, per annum? Annual, annual.

Speaker 200:27:11

Do what? Do one now?

Mike Ryan00:27:12

Do one now?

Amin00:27:13

I'll do that too.

Speaker 200:27:15

That's weird.

Mike Ryan00:27:15

However.

Speaker 200:27:16

You're a spot that swallow your teeth, my friend.

Amin00:27:17

Well, I— I don't have the tongue of a seven-footer, but I bring other things to the table. Hello.

Speaker 800:27:24

Dan Le Batard. Put a finger in there, but if you tell anyone, I'll deny it. Mike Ryan. Don't you stare at it, eat it. This is the Dan Le Batard Show.

Mike Ryan00:27:37

David?

David Samson00:27:38

Ah.

Mike Ryan00:27:39

The time has come. The Reaper is here. Let's get to the bucket.

Amin00:27:45

Oh, the Reaper's been fighting.

David Samson00:27:46

I'm changing my way today.

Mike Ryan00:27:48

What does that mean?

David Samson00:27:51

I'm not just taking it as it comes.

Mike Ryan00:27:52

Okay.

David Samson00:27:52

Because I got stuck last week with the Chargers.

Mike Ryan00:27:56

Okay. All right. Juju's up first here. He's rummaging.

David Samson00:28:03

The New York Giants tonight.

Mike Ryan00:28:06

That's tonight. Two and a half point home favor over the Commanders.

David Samson00:28:10

Balling back into the bucket.

Amin00:28:11

What? You're not gonna trust my man, James?

David Samson00:28:14

You're what? I'm not. It's gonna be raining too hard tonight.

Speaker 200:28:17

Maybe JJ McCarthy by the way. I'm hoping for a rematch and for it to play out the exact same way.

David Samson00:28:21

I got the coats.

Amin00:28:23

There you go.

David Samson00:28:23

That's it. You deserve that.

Mike Ryan00:28:25

Whoa, that's a good spot.

Amin00:28:25

What?

Mike Ryan00:28:25

They're the Dolphins.

Amin00:28:26

The Dolphins?

Mike Ryan00:28:27

Yeah.

Amin00:28:27

That's a good spot.

David Samson00:28:28

All right. Mike Ryan is up.

Speaker 200:28:33

Seattle Seahawks.

Amin00:28:34

At Raiders, plus six and a half.

Mike Ryan00:28:36

No, minus six and a half.

Speaker 200:28:37

Mendoza first start.

Mike Ryan00:28:38

Mendoza first start against that defense. I'm gonna keep it.

Amin00:28:41

Mendoza!

Speaker 200:28:42

That's a great pick for you. Here you go. Let's see.

Mike Ryan00:28:44

That is good.

Speaker 200:28:45

Good pick. Back-to-back good picks here. Let's see.

Mike Ryan00:28:47

Use your tongue.

Speaker 200:28:49

Rummaging.

Mike Ryan00:28:51

Oh, no. Miami Dolphins. Putting that back.

Amin00:28:53

Oh, no.

Mike Ryan00:28:53

Instantly.

Amin00:28:54

Didn't even wanna think about it, huh?

Mike Ryan00:28:55

You got a good shake. No.

Amin00:28:56

No.

Mike Ryan00:28:56

No, sir.

David Samson00:28:58

Did the little Reaper take growth hormone from last week?

Mike Ryan00:29:01

Yeah.

Amin00:29:02

Same thing that Messi took.

Mike Ryan00:29:04

Underdog helmet.

Speaker 200:29:07

Very interesting. All right, I'm gonna take a look and, uh, report back.

Mike Ryan00:29:11

All right. Roy, you're up. Don't pretend like you don't see him doing your Jaylen Brown impression.

Speaker 200:29:17

Brown's homedog. Uh, the Wiz of Oz.

David Samson00:29:21

Oh.

Speaker 200:29:22

Alliance.

Mike Ryan00:29:23

Lion or tiger or bear?

Amin00:29:24

Oh my. Bears are I'll have a buy.

Mike Ryan00:29:26

Uh, I'll take the bears. Thank you. That's allowed?

Speaker 200:29:29

Yes.

Mike Ryan00:29:29

Yes.

Amin00:29:30

Wiz of Oz.

Mike Ryan00:29:31

Wow.

Amin00:29:31

That works.

Mike Ryan00:29:32

All right.

Speaker 200:29:32

Sits in Dan's chair.

Amin00:29:33

Which is— which is great.

Speaker 200:29:34

Says I'm asking stupid questions.

Mike Ryan00:29:35

It's not a stupid question.

Speaker 200:29:36

It is a stupid question.

Mike Ryan00:29:37

I think I'm gonna take the, uh, the Steelers as a road dog against the Bengals.

Amin00:29:42

Let's see.

Mike Ryan00:29:43

Give me the— give me the Steelers plus three and a half.

Amin00:29:45

Guys, I'm gonna call my shot. I think I'm getting the swap helmet on this one.

Mike Ryan00:29:48

You better not.

Amin00:29:49

I'm calling my shot here. I'm getting the swap helmet. What if I did something? I too like to live dangerously. Swap with Juju.

Mike Ryan00:29:55

Don't look in that bucket.

Amin00:29:56

I'm not looking. I'm looking at Juju. The Jags!

Mike Ryan00:30:00

The Jags.

Amin00:30:00

The Jags. I'm holding onto it.

Speaker 200:30:02

Yeah, they're at the Titans.

Mike Ryan00:30:04

Dude.

Speaker 200:30:04

What's the last hand?

Mike Ryan00:30:05

I'm on golden helmet of life. Get away from me. As a matter of fact, I will pick for David. David, you ready? This is for you.

David Samson00:30:10

Yes. Thank you. Go.

Mike Ryan00:30:14

The Falcons.

Speaker 200:30:16

Three-point line against the Chiefs, right?

Mike Ryan00:30:18

They're plus three at home against Kansas City, David.

David Samson00:30:20

How? Please put it back and do better.

Mike Ryan00:30:23

How?

David Samson00:30:24

Small line.

Mike Ryan00:30:24

Right.

David Samson00:30:25

How?

Speaker 200:30:25

NFL, brother.

Mike Ryan00:30:26

It's kinda small.

Speaker 200:30:26

Spooky.

Mike Ryan00:30:27

Uh, you have Washington.

Amin00:30:29

The Commanders.

Mike Ryan00:30:30

That's tonight. You have the Commanders, a two-and-a-half-point road dog at the Giants.

David Samson00:30:35

I'm not despondent. It's gonna be very bad weather up here. Juju, I don't know where your weatherman comes from, but you nailed it. It is like a nor'easter here in the Northeast.

Amin00:30:45

Wait.

Mike Ryan00:30:45

Yes, sir.

Amin00:30:46

Is it like regular rain or is it like some other type of nor'easter?

David Samson00:30:49

It's windy and cold and rainy and generally crappy.

Mike Ryan00:30:53

Man.

David Samson00:30:54

And it's supposed to be a whiteout tonight at MetLife, so it's gonna be like wet with mud, and it's gonna be gross.

Mike Ryan00:31:02

That stadium's a dump.

Speaker 200:31:03

There's no mud in that stadium.

David Samson00:31:05

I hate that stadium.

Mike Ryan00:31:06

Oh, it's a terrible.

Speaker 200:31:07

It's so bad.

Mike Ryan00:31:07

Turf stadium. There's no mud.

Speaker 200:31:08

Terrible stadium.

David Samson00:31:10

No, it's from the parking lots. I don't mean the players.

Amin00:31:13

The people.

Mike Ryan00:31:13

What does that matter?

David Samson00:31:14

The people.

Mike Ryan00:31:14

The fans are gonna be despondent.

Amin00:31:15

The people are gonna be dirty.

Mike Ryan00:31:17

Fans don't cheer as loud when they're money, Mike. You know that.

Amin00:31:22

Doesn't.

David Samson00:31:22

Ah.

Mike Ryan00:31:24

David, you have a movie review for us today. What do you got?

David Samson00:31:27

Can we please talk about this? Did anybody in this room watch the Dane Cook documentary?

Amin00:31:33

I listened to his interview on Bad Friends about it.

Mike Ryan00:31:36

So.

Amin00:31:36

So I'm familiar with the story, but I— I have not watched the documentary.

Mike Ryan00:31:39

Yeah, it's about like his— his brother stole from him, right?

Amin00:31:41

Yeah.

David Samson00:31:42

Yes.

Mike Ryan00:31:42

Oh, yeah.

Amin00:31:43

Yeah.

David Samson00:31:43

He's Dane Cook is a comedian, and his brother was his business manager, and his brother took all his money. And it's like a movie. And the documentary called Funny Money, The Dane Cook Story, is a really in-depth explanation, and somehow Dane Cook paid the wife of his brother.

Mike Ryan00:32:02

Mm-hmm.

David Samson00:32:02

Who is a convicted criminal who served time. He paid her to appear on the documentary. His brother would not. They haven't spoken or seen each other. And it is crazy how little attention Dane Cook paid because he thought his brother was taking care of him. Dane Cook owed millions and millions of dollars to the IRS. He had no money, and he thought he was loaded. He wanted to buy a house, and it turns out he had no nothing. And so he had to restart his career, and he had to do a bunch of shows to make money, and he paid off the IRS, and he got remarried, and basically the story is about.

Mike Ryan00:32:38

Got remarried like his wife left him over this?

Amin00:32:40

Yeah. Destroyed him.

David Samson00:32:41

No, that's— that's funny. I mean, it's just he may— maybe it's married. That wasn't even a good part of the story except she's in the documentary. The point of the story is I don't understand the concept of screwing your brother. This guy, Dane Cook's brother, had nothing. Now, I'm not saying it's bad to be a corrections officer because they're a very necessary part of our economy. However.

Amin00:33:02

Hostility.

David Samson00:33:03

Dane Cook paid him over $150,000 a year and got to be around Dane Cook and meet all the famous people, and the brother was like, "I'm so jealous of you. I'm so angry about your life versus my life. I'm gonna steal all your money, and then I'm gonna run and not get caught." Well, he got obviously caught, sent to prison. And it reminded me like of the Kushner family. The insanity of Charlie Kushner hiring a woman to seduce his brother-in-law because he didn't want to get caught vi breaking the law and going to prison, which Charlie, of course, broke the law and went to prison.

I can't understand family-on-family crime, and I don't mean like mob style where it's two different families, but in truff family, it makes me crazy. And this Dane Cook story talked about it in a way that made me even question, how do you no matter how much you don't like your sibling, I just don't understand how you could commit that type of crime. It's a documentary worth watching.

Amin00:33:58

David, the craziest part of that I heard from Dane Cook talking to Andrew Santino and Bobby Lee was that his mom early on was warning him, "Don't trust your brother." His mom was telling him, "Don't trust your brother." And he was just like, "Mom, you're you're you know, you're just being paranoid for no reason. He's my brother," right? And so, um, hearing the story, I was thinking, is that the greatest betrayal? Even greater than a spouse for a sibling to do you in like that.

Mike Ryan00:34:28

Yes, sir.

Amin00:34:29

That's gotta be the greatest betrayal.

Speaker 200:34:30

Your own flesh and blood.

Mike Ryan00:34:30

I think so, yeah.

Speaker 200:34:31

I think parents doing it to their kids is so.

Amin00:34:33

Yeah.

Speaker 200:34:34

Messed up.

Mike Ryan00:34:34

That's true.

Speaker 200:34:35

It's beyond belief.

Amin00:34:36

But I feel— I feel like almost so this is gonna sound weird. I almost feel like the parents delude themselves into thinking, "I'm doing what's best for the kid."

Mike Ryan00:34:44

No.

Amin00:34:44

Even as I'm doing to.

Speaker 200:34:45

I'm familiar with their rationalizations.

Mike Ryan00:34:46

But like what.

Speaker 200:34:47

It's repulsive to me.

Amin00:34:48

But I'm saying yeah, it's repulsive, of course, but I'm saying like with the sibling, there wasn't even a rationalization. Am I correct, David? He was robbing his brother.

Speaker 200:34:56

But there isn't the same kind of responsibility either. It's different.

Amin00:34:59

Sure.

Speaker 200:34:59

You brought this child into the world.

Amin00:35:00

Well.

Speaker 200:35:00

Like what are you doing?

Mike Ryan00:35:01

And David, the way.

David Samson00:35:02

And that mother, by the way, Amin, just so you know, I believe and you can fact-check me, it's his half-brother, and I believe they have different mothers.

Amin00:35:09

Ah.

David Samson00:35:09

Or maybe different fathers.

Amin00:35:10

Yeah.

David Samson00:35:11

But listen, I've got half-siblings who are my full siblings.

Amin00:35:14

Yeah.

David Samson00:35:14

There's no I— I view them as such, so it doesn't make it different or better. But when the mother is saying, "Don't trust your brother."

Mike Ryan00:35:20

Yes. She may not have been his mother.

David Samson00:35:21

I'm not sure she's saying, "Don't trust my son."

Mike Ryan00:35:24

Yeah.

David Samson00:35:24

So we need to check on that. But in terms of parents, like what happened to Gary Coleman is an example that I've thought about for decades. It is so outrageous when parents steal from their kids, and it ruins their kids' lives, and those parents only have two nickels to rub together because of their kids. I've seen athletes' parents do it.

Amin00:35:45

Yeah.

David Samson00:35:45

To their children who are baseball players, and it makes me sick as though they're owed something because they brought this person into the world who has this talent that can be monetized, that they ought to live right and have a house and have all the things. It just is so terrible to do to a kid that I it's worse than brother-on-brother when they're both over 21. Dane Cook had the ability to check his checking account.

Amin00:36:09

You know.

David Samson00:36:09

He had the ability to see his tax forms.

Amin00:36:12

Yeah.

David Samson00:36:13

And when you're 8 years old or 12, you just don't do those things.

Amin00:36:16

Yeah, it's crazy. Like such a sad story. If only there was someone out there who kind of lives to hear people's sad stories and like mine it for more and more, just keep asking what the worst part of the life is. Is there anyone out there? Can someone throw a bat signal in the sky for that superhero who lives.

Speaker 200:36:34

A fat signal.

Amin00:36:35

A fat signal. There you go.

David Samson00:36:36

Ah. Breaking news.

Mike Ryan00:36:38

Yep.

David Samson00:36:39

Dane Cook and his half-brother, Daryl, share the same mother. There it was. Thank you, Juju.

Amin00:36:46

Thank you.

David Samson00:36:46

So it was her son.

Amin00:36:47

Yep. And more breaking news. Dane Cook on South Beat Sessions this week with Dan Le Batard.

David Samson00:36:54

Ah.

Amin00:36:54

The fat signal worked.

Mike Ryan00:36:56

David, excellent job. Always good talking to you. Nothing personal with David Samson. We'll see you next week, pal.

David Samson00:37:01

Take care. Thank you, guys. Bye-bye.

Mike Ryan00:37:03

I know I know Dane Cook like is one of those comedians.

Amin00:37:07

Mm-hmm.

Mike Ryan00:37:08

Who.

Amin00:37:08

Isn't funny.

Mike Ryan00:37:09

Uh, well, okay. So that that's the point that I'm trying to bring up here.

Speaker 200:37:12

He did so well in promoting it.

Mike Ryan00:37:13

I— I like Dane Cook. I think Dane Cook's really funny. And I know it's and I— I go to a lot of comedy shows. Like I'm— I'm into comedy.

Speaker 200:37:21

Yeah. This— this tracks.

Mike Ryan00:37:23

What— what does that mean?

Speaker 200:37:24

You look like a Dane Cook guy.

Mike Ryan00:37:25

Yep. I— I think he's funny.

Speaker 200:37:27

Yeah. No, I know.

Mike Ryan00:37:28

Dan.

Amin00:37:29

I it's funny because I Dane Cook, like the Snyderverse, I always would watch and I'm like, "Who is this for?"

Speaker 200:37:36

Yeah.

Amin00:37:36

Who's out here liking this stuff?

Mike Ryan00:37:37

You act like I'm the only one who liked the Snyderverse. Man has to still make like a billion dollars.

Speaker 200:37:41

It's for guys who wear backwards hoodies.

Mike Ryan00:37:43

Snyderverse.

Amin00:37:45

It's what a what a two-liter of Coke.

Speaker 200:37:47

Flex cap.

Amin00:37:48

Two-liter.

Speaker 200:37:48

Yeah. T-shirt.

Mike Ryan00:37:50

Dan. I don't care.

Speaker 200:37:53

They look good in red sometimes.

Mike Ryan00:37:54

I've seen Dane Cook in concert a couple of times. He's funny.

Speaker 200:37:57

Some new balances.

Mike Ryan00:37:59

And I'll bet his episode with Dan on South Beat Sessions, I'll bet it's really good too.

Amin00:38:02

I— I think it is.

Mike Ryan00:38:02

I bet it's three.

Amin00:38:03

I think the story is fascinating, right? And from.

Mike Ryan00:38:05

Is the brother in prison?

Amin00:38:07

I believe so, yeah.

Mike Ryan00:38:08

Yeah, for sure.

Amin00:38:08

Yeah. Yeah. So— so like I said, I all I've heard was his interview on Bad Friends, and it was a very fascinating story to listen to. I want to watch his documentary. I wanna watch his, uh, South Beat Sessions with Dan. What I don't wanna watch is the vicious circle of like him going, "Ugh," like all those stupid-ass things. He's not funny.

Speaker 200:38:28

It was of a time.

Amin00:38:29

Never.

Speaker 200:38:30

Just like Cedar.

David Samson00:38:31

Ah. And to orgasm.

Amin00:38:33

Can I just say that noise right there? Play that again.

David Samson00:38:35

Ah.

Amin00:38:36

It makes me think of the Dwayne Wade statue. Like that's the noise it's making.

David Samson00:38:39

Ah.

Speaker 200:38:40

That's some power.

Mike Ryan00:38:40

Was that me?

Speaker 200:38:41

The old one?

Mike Ryan00:38:42

That— that's what the old one's making.

Amin00:38:43

The old statue, yeah.

Mike Ryan00:38:44

Yeah.

Amin00:38:44

The old statue sounds like that.

Speaker 200:38:46

I— I don't get this. Like we're trying to make that statue look, uh, more accurate, but he's still wearing the— the wrong jersey. It wasn't the jersey he was wearing when he did that. He was wearing an L Heat jersey.

Mike Ryan00:38:55

Uh, you— you if you're gonna make a statue, it can't be an alternate jersey. You have to have the original.

Speaker 200:39:00

What do you mean? If you're making a statue of a moment.

Mike Ryan00:39:02

No.

Speaker 200:39:03

You should accurately represent that specific moment.

Mike Ryan00:39:06

It's an unfortunate coincidence.

Speaker 200:39:08

Yeah.

Mike Ryan00:39:08

Like you gotta have the real jersey.

Amin00:39:10

Also, Broward County buys tickets too. You don't wanna scare him off with an L Heat jersey.

Speaker 200:39:15

Scare him off? It's next to the Freedom Tower.

Mike Ryan00:39:18

You tell me Dane Cook's not hilarious?

David Samson00:39:20

Ah.

Episode description

"Any time you can get Rob Reiner and a penis pump..."

Amin's spitting game at the soon-to-be ex-wife of the ex-NVIDIA CEO.
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