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Grocery cart guy, the guy who doesn't return it to its station. But I contend that even worse is the guy who spits his gum into the ur— let's, in fact, let's start the show and then we can talk about it. Yes, hi and hello, my fellow football Americans, and welcome to Football America, presented as ever by our pals over at DK Sports. Now in 50 states, that's all of them if my math is correct. So good news for you if you are in fact in one of those states. And, uh, I, I, we, we have a lot to get to, as I just said there. Very quickly, hello Gina Fuentes and hello Buddy Budowski. Which is worse, the grocery cart non-participant, or you only use it for, for what you need it for and then you just leave it right there, or Is it, before you respond, the gum in the urinal guy? You understand that when you spit your gum into the urinal that you are peeing in or just peed in, that means another grown-up has to go in there and clean out that gum with his hand. Whether there's no device, I don't know, you put your hand in there and now, yeah, now your gum, which is already enough to make me throw up, now is also stained by your pee.

How say you?

It's not just your pee, it's everyone else's pee that came in after you.

So that's European, right?

Yeah, exactly.

That guy is definitely the worst. And in fact, we have friends that work at supermarkets that said they love going out to collect carts. They go outside, they don't have to listen to their boss for a little while, they put on their headphones. Sometimes they listen to a playlist while they're out there.

Vitamin C or D, whichever one you get in the sun.

I don't see a problem with the guy who spits out his gum in the urinal. I don't see— what's so bad about that? You just pee right over it, it gives you a little—

I just told you, do you want to pick up somebody's gum that has been stained in pee?

No, but I feel like they just kind of leave it there and it just kind of breaks down or does whatever it does, it doesn't find a way and gets, you know, in the—

turn off, Mike.

No, I, I, I, I don't see a problem with this guy. I, I have—

I'm wrong.

I like being able to have a little target down there, you know, something to aim I like to do whatever I want to do whenever I want to, but also I'm aware that I am a participant in, uh, in the game of life with other people who are out there playing it too.

Listen, world's greatest—

enough from you, buddy, for a second here. Very quickly, Gina, let's tend to our business as we do at the top of every episode. This is episode number 70. I like this number quite a bit as a uniform number. Which NFL, or nay, which athlete wore it best in man's recorded history?

Okay, we're gonna go recent memory here. Zack Martin, uh, Dallas Cowboys guard, probably one of the most, uh, dominant guards in NFL history. Uh, Jim Marshall might get some play later on in the show, stay tuned for that. He actually wore number 70 as well. Um, but I mean, in terms of NFL players, not a Hall of Famer, not a Hall of Famer. Uh, there's some, there's some hockey influence here, right?

Yeah, we got the hockey number. I found, I mean, 70, you would kind of expect to be a great hockey number. The most important, most influential hockey guy I saw was Braden Holtby, who won the Stanley Cup with the, with the Washington Capitals in 2018. But Zach, I just saw Zach Martin. Has there ever been a guard that came out in the draft that was more coveted, that was more like, this guy will change your entire team than Zach Martin?

Quentin Nelson comes close.

Okay. Yeah, that was the Colts. Yeah, that was the other guy I was thinking of. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And Sam Huff too wore it for Washington and for the Giants. And it's a great— it feels like an old number.

Yeah.

But yeah, I think it's high time to bring it back. 70 is a cool number. Vida Veya out there in 50 is lame. Why would you take like 61 when 70 is there waiting for you to grab off the rack, right?

I think it's a— what's close to this? And if you're at 70, why not just drop it to 69? It's much more fun.

Oh yeah, you know what, I think that's bad. And now I want to go back to some, some more of these because I'm not done complaining yet. Yes, that's right, the guy who wears number 69 or the guy who wears number 1, Buddy Budowski. Which is worse? I like this now.

This is—

we have, we have a new segment now, worse or worser, badder badder. Hey, badder badder. Hey, no, it doesn't matter. No, I like that. It can't be pronounced that way. Bad or badder? With an exclamation— I mean, with a question mark.

Hey!

Bad or badder? The guy who thinks he's hysterical because he wears number 69 for the guy who's so arrogant or narcissistic or whatever that he's like, yeah, one.

Well Dave, I'm gonna tell you right now that when I was a kid and I played Little League, I was the smallest kid on my team every year. So I got number one because it was the smallest jersey because the jerseys sizes went in order from like small to large. So 13 would be like the biggest guy on the team wore 13. I wore 1, so 1 became my favorite number, and I would ask— I would get 1 or ask for 1 every year. So it's absolutely the guy who thinks he's funny and cheeky by wearing 69, like the guy who buys a jersey at the team store and presses number 16. I'm not a guy— you gotta go with a player.

That's something.

You see what number I got, dudes?

Exactly. Oh dude, I'm so funny, I got 69.

Nice.

No, I hate— don't put your own last name. Don't put anything stupid, you know, Beers 69 or anything like that, or, you know, anything stupid like that. Just put a— put— pick your favorite player, put your favorite player on the back of the jersey, and go on with your day.

70 is nice, is what I think. Yeah, here's another one. Hey, batter, batter! Hey, batter, batter! Hey, bad or batter? To this— now, now let's get topical. Because you guys are obsessed with the soccer right now. Yep. And we'll give you some picks for the weekend in just a little bit here for the World Cup action. Um, the hydration break bad, or the pundit Becky Hammond, the, the demand, the pounding of the table that she apologized for having the, the temerity, the gall to make a prediction that a team with Jalen Brunson, who is short is not capable of winning a title if he's your best player, a guy that diminutive. And people now say you were wrong. Well, that's her job, is to, to some degree, is to make predictions. Bad or bad or Gino Fuentes?

Why are we messing with her? I mean, she, she took a shot on a prediction. She got it wrong.

A lot.

I'm not down on that.

How many sports pundits got that one wrong?

I got that wrong.

I thought it was going to be Wembenyama season starting right away.

I mean, well, how about this? Neither one is bad. What? That's my answer. No, I mean, she's doing her job. She made a prediction. How long ago? 2 years ago? 3 years ago? And it didn't come true, right?

I think, I think it's—

New York is sensitive.

Pretty obvious what happened here.

Who gives a shit about this water break thing? What am I missing? They're drinking. All right, I'll say this during a game.

I don't, I don't give a shit about the hydration breaks. My problem is there is some sanctity to the no commercials during a soccer game. And the fact that Fox immediately from the first game was like, Hey, we're going to have commercials during this, during this hydration break. Hydration breaks have been in the game for a long time. I don't mind them at all. I think, in fact, they're good. You don't want anybody passing out there, out, out there from heat stroke. It's fine with me. The bigger problem is soccer is a game that's 90 minutes long with no commercials, and that's the best thing about it. And I hate that they've thrown this 3 minutes of commercials into my soccer. I don't like it.

If I'm not mistaken, the first one on Fox, they even missed the, the, the re-kick, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's just something. The first thing I learned in sports journalism school was you cannot miss any live action.

You're a journalist. Oh, I didn't— I meant, my regard for you is through the roof now, all of a sudden.

Yeah, you know, me and Zazz, we're journalists.

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All right, I know one guy who will have some answers for us because he does not just play or used to play the game of football. No, he's an active member at the game of life. He is Jeff Schwartz, host of Jeff Schwartz is Smarter Than You, getting a little upgrade with all due respect to Jeff, because now two Schwartzes are better than one. Mitchell Schwartz joining the show these days. That's going to be even better. Well, I've already indulged it a little bit. It's great stuff. It's Jeff Schwartz. What's the poop, fella? How you been? How's summer going beyond you coaching up this giant human being hovering over little kids playing Little League baseball and such?

It's, uh, summer's good. Uh, kids go to camp in about like 10 days for a month. One goes for a month, one goes for 2 weeks. Uh, so we'll have some downtime here in the Schwartz household. But yeah, my brothers are in the podcast with me. We're kind of coming up with names. I look— the power of the Schwartz. I like that one. Obviously, I don't know if we have to get some permission.

Let's work on that. That's the easy— don't go with the first one that hits your brain. No, I know it's too obvious. Yeah.

And you can't— you obviously— that's probably trademarked, so that would probably be out. So we'll let smarter people than me come up with a name. One of the things that Mitch— I was like, Mitch, you want to do the podcast? Yeah, we just— we change the name. That was his first thing he said to me was, you gotta change the name. I was like, fine, fine, you can be smarter than me. Okay, maybe it's Mitch Schwartz is smarter than everyone else. But, um, Mitch and I are planning on doing it this year, so, uh, good to have him aboard. I've asked him for years. I'm like, buddy, we should have been New Heights before it was New Heights. Now obviously those guys are very entertaining and they have, uh, you guys are more handsome though.

That's what you have.

We definitely are more handsome. I think people would agree on that.

Yeah.

Um, we don't have a famous musician in our circle. I was telling my buddy with O-Line Masterminds, we have our offensive line, uh, convention coming up soon. You know, the, the tight ends are doing the tight end U thing. They bring Taylor Swift on stage. We don't— we need an offensive line to marry an international music star so we can upgrade our activity.

I'm not a singer necessarily. I'll do it if that's what you need, but I'd rather just come up there. I could just tell stories for like a few hours or so. That would get that— like, that would be a good warm-up. I'll just sit out there and tell my, tell my, uh, my little, uh, anecdotes. You know, would that be—

I, I, yeah, I'm sure that would draw the crowd. I'm sure that would, that would be quite—

All right, listen, if you want to be a jerk, hey, I wanted to ask you real quick because I, we just stumbled into a new game here. Which is worse? Which is badder in your opinion? The Tour de France gear guy, the guy who rides his bike but he's 50-something years old and he's paunchy. Actually, the better way, who thinks he's cooler? The bit, the difference between how cool he thinks he looks versus how the rest of us think. Who's more off? The guy who dresses in the Tour de France gear to go for a bike ride, or the motorcycle guy on the freeway who, when he goes by you and you like pull over, like he gives you the deuce as he goes by because he thinks he's so cool on the back of his bike, but really is a huge pain in the ass slowing you down.

Okay. I think it's definitely the motorcycle because at least the biker is getting some exercise in. Like, you know, they're like, they're doing something productive with their life. I'm not saying you can't be productive on a motorcycle, but, you know, they're getting a workout in, right? Like, you know, They got the aerodynamic helmet, the expensive bike. Like, they're working out. The guy on the motorcycle, to your point, like, just move it along, buddy. Like, we're all here, we're all getting somewhere, we're all driving somewhere for a purpose.

Just get this guy.

And they get angry. Like, what are you trying to get by? Ain't my concern, friend. I got to manipulate my car to account. Yes, another one. Caleb Williams, bad news. He failed in his effort to trademark Iceman, which is of course somebody else's nickname. It's actually a few other people's nickname. Before you even arrived on the big blue marble, Caleb. There was George Girvin, there was Val Kilmer. That's just off the top of my head. Would you rather have to deal with the shame, the indignity of wearing someone else's, a previous legend's nickname, or would you rather go by Stink as Mark Schlereth?

Oh, I'd much rather go by Stink. Why?

Why would you want that? I feel like that's the worst nickname in the world.

Well, I think the Well, so the idea is that you basically have a unique nickname, right? Like, not just— so you have to go by Stink or any unique nickname, because I mean, obviously the Stink one is, you know, it's not the best nickname in the world for what it is. But also, I just think going by someone else's nickname is kind of lame. Like, come up with your own thing.

Yeah, amen, amen. Okay, you're good at this game, as I expected that you would be. Hey, before we jump into the state of the QB league, because there are some, uh, QB-relevant subjects I want to yap with you about real quick, did you hear the great news? My initial Super Bowl 61 pick is now out. I know you know it because I texted it to you because I was excited for your response to it. Once again, we're doing it once upon a time in Hollywood or in Inglewood, LA, VLA. How say you?

I think the Rams are certainly capable of doing that. The Chargers again, I love you, Dave. You just can't quit the Chargers.

What's Jim Harbaugh? You understand? It's not like I'm just doing it just out of like They've updated the team, but then they get redshirted last year because both of the tackles are hurt. And that's the way Harbaugh teams are found out foundationally built. Right. So it makes sense to do it that way.

And Mike McDaniels, a really, really impressive hire for them. Yeah, I would like to see them like win a couple of playoff games before I decide they're going to be in the Super Bowl, you know what I mean? And again, it's fair to say that sometimes you don't— you haven't done it yet. Like New England didn't do it till they did it. Right. So you can certainly say that happens quite often. But it's also hard for me personally to put teams in the Super Bowl unless I've seen them sort of play big postseason games and win those games. So they're very— the Chargers, I think, are going to be very good this season. The tackles being back is hugely important to them. The McDaniel is a big deal. The wide receiver room is a little bit thin, but I think defensively they're going to be good. So they don't need to have great wide receivers. Herbert, he's got to put it together, right? Like all of it together. There's a lot of talent there. He's done a lot with, with not a lot of help. And there's some issues he has in games as well.

So Hopefully you're further holding it. The Rams to me are—

and by the way, like, what is it? So I mean, a big factor obviously for anybody in that division and in the conference is when does Patrick Mahomes get back. You're talking to Mitchell, you guys are plugged in with the Chiefs. What is the expectation for his return date and how good he'll be when he hits the field? 100% when he hits the field?

Yeah, so obviously he's back week 1, otherwise the NFL wouldn't put him on prime time 2 weeks in a row. And, and their number for win total indicates that Mahomes is going to be back week 1. Look, we know that rehabbing off an injury like an ACL, an Achilles, another knee injury, it takes a year or more to feel like yourself, like to feel like really comfortable with it. The caveat is always that special athletes— I think some of their superpowers, Dave, are the recovery times. They recover so much faster than the rest of us. They just do. I've seen it firsthand. I've seen guys play through injuries that I couldn't play through. Other guys couldn't play through. I saw Adrian Peterson play for 8 weeks or so with a sports hernia. I didn't— I got that happen to me. I had immediate surgery. Like the next day.

What a weird thing you're saying, but also checks out based on specific examples that the superstars also are— that one of their superpowers is quicker healing time.

Yeah, I remember Jordan Gross, who was a Pro Bowl left tackle with the Panthers. Again, like, he's not all-time great, but he's a Pro Bowler, like one of the best in his position for many, many years. I remember he did a tib fib, so he broke both bones in his lower leg, like in November, like snapped his leg, like rolled over top of the pile. He was back in March. Working out with us full speed, like months later. That, that's not normal. Like, that's not a normal thing. But he just was one of these guys, like these better football players that just recovered better than all of us. So, um, I think Mahomes will be fine. Now, will he trust his leg? I don't know, but I think he will come back and be just fine this season.

Okay, well, by the way, the Chiefs are not on my brain as a team that I'm really picking to maybe make a Super Bowl run. Obviously, you'd be foolish to turn your nose up at them, but I'm also— if it's not the Chargers, it's the Bengals, it's the Broncos. Or it's the Jaguars. And on the NFC side, if it's not the Rams, it's the Niners. Or as we talked about right after the Super Bowl completed, it's the Minnesota Vikings, and now they have Kyler Murray. So as far as that goes, let's jump in on these Vikings because there's something interesting where they're concerned, in my opinion. The late, great Chris Westling, who you're familiar with from around the NFL— everybody remembers his great work there— had the Dalton scale. And it occurs to me, Andy Dalton sort of being the median quarterback of starting quarterbacks in pro football at the time, is it— this might be a weird thing to say since he's not a starter at this point— is Mac Jones the median quarterback of 2026 right now? Because the word is that the Niners are willing to move him at this point when they said they weren't 3 months ago.

Now it sounds like they are. How say you? First of all, because I want to see if we can sort of assess this via comparing him to some other names in the league. But Mac Jones, is he about the, you know, 17th best QB in the league?

Yeah, that's fair. I think if you have Mac Jones on your team, you win between 7 to 10 at the high end games. That's probably about right. Yeah, I think he's about the middle of the pack, depends on the offense he's in. Um, you wouldn't take him over, you know, 13 to 15 quarterbacks, but you would take them over a handful of guys or established starters.

Isn't that crazy that we do this thing like, you got to get the guy? And I don't know if Mac Jones is the guy, as it were. And he went to— as a rookie took Belichick to the playoffs and then looked pretty good last year and kind of reversed sort of the jokes. He was a little bit of a punchline for that walking and all of that. Okay, would you rather have him then let's start with this one. I know this is a crazy place to start, but there's now noise that maybe there's something wrong still with the back. I mean, what— why would it have healed over a year even though he won the MVP? Matthew Stafford concern level, if you're the Rams, not over Matthew Stafford, but are you incented to try to make a move for Mac Jones? That would never happen because the Niners aren't going to trade him to their arch rival. But, but now all of a sudden this team that looks like and is favored to be a, a contender for this might— I mean, it all implodes if it's like, hey, Ty Simpson, can you get in there and do something?

No. Stetson Bennett, I mean, no chance. Don't you have to kind of try to figure something out here?

I think the point of Ty Simpson was this, right? What's not the point of Ty Simpson now?

Like, see, like 2026, he's the 13th pick.

Isn't the point for him to be your, your priority backup? And if you lose Stafford, like, he's right there. So you basically drafted someone 13th overall to just not play at all this season if the opportunity presents itself?

I don't know. I feel like they've sort of weirdly backed themselves into a corner by not, uh, not living in reality, which is, hey, remember last year when you didn't know for sure that Stafford was going to be able to play? Now you're doing it again. He's a year older.

It's so funny, I, I like the Rams so much in June and July, and then Stafford's back thing, I was like, I'm out, I'm out, I'm out on the Rams. Because I just thought his back wasn't going to get better. Was it? He wasn't even practicing during the summer, man, and then became good again. So maybe the Rams are— I saw the report though that they said that Stetson Bennett and, and Ty Simpson haven't separated like themselves. I mean, of course, why would they? Um, they're looking at Jimmy G. Yeah, I mean, Mac Jones would be a great option for them to have a priority backup because I think one of the important things in the league is having that backup because you know your quarterback is going to miss a series, a half, a game every now and then, and And that might be the difference in a season. I mean, the Chiefs have had this happen multiple times where in championship runs, like they lost Mahomes for 2 games and they split 2 of the games, or they lost him in the back half of that playoff game. Chad Henney came in and won the game for them.

Like, you're going to need the backup at some point during the season.

Okay. So I said I wanted to yap about the Vikings here a little bit. Let's, let's do that. And same goes for the Falcons and where they are. Geno Fuentes says that he thinks Tuohy is going to have a gangbusters year in the dome and all of that. Some nice pass catchers, all the rest of it.

It.

Um, if, if— and that assumes Tua wins the gig— if you're the Vikings and/or the Falcons, what's that like? You've been in these locker rooms when there's like project QBs, young guys, and the established vet and all of that. Are you, are you better off? Because the thing that always plagues my brain is I remember when they brought Tebow into a successful Jets locker room. This'll, this'll, uh, ramp up Mark Sanchez. A little heat in the locker room will be good for him. And the whole thing instead fell apart. Really, that was the death knell of the Jets to some degree, I guess, at least. Um, do you feel like it's worse if you're committed to Kyler Murray, who's definitely going to be the starter, not JJ McCarthy? He's now a looming ghost of drafts past. Are you better off to get him out of the locker room and Michael Penix and try to move him to, let's say, the Rams or Pittsburgh or Cleveland or Arizona, places where QBs are still needed.

Are we saying that— are we— well, Minnesota, yes, I get rid of McCarthy. I think that just— it didn't work. It's over. I mean, it's just— it's done. It's done there.

I think that's a crazy thing to say. And you are in the vast majority of pundits saying that. It just seems to me like we've closed the book on this guy who we have very little evidence on right now.

Minnesota did though, right? Like, I, I think he needs more reps to play, but Minnesota told you with the signing of Kyler Murray that, that that's not going to happen, right? Because Kyler Murray is going to be their guy. I mean, it sounds silly to sign Kyler Murray, not play him. He's better than McCarthy right now. He's better, right? So, um, in Atlanta though, like, you think they should trade Penix if Tua's a starter?

I don't know. I'm just asking sort of philosophically. When you're in the locker room, yeah, are you like, hey, how much can we trust the coach when he thinks JJ— when, when 18 months ago, 24 months ago, he thought hey, you know what's going to fix us is this guy who's a bust. Let's get him out of here so that evidence doesn't, doesn't, uh, sort of plague the locker room.

Well, you have a new coach there too, right? There's a new general manager, so it's a little bit different of a vibe. I look— in 2010, I was on the Panthers. We played quarterbacks that didn't make sense to me. You certainly feel that way. You're like, what the— what are we doing? Like, why? Now, of course, your job is to play hard on Sundays. You go out and play, but then the results happen. You're like, yeah, of course, this is what happens. Like, you put out the wrong quarterback, um, and there is That's what I'm getting at, right? Yeah, like there's a little bit more juice on the team when you trust your quarterback, right?

Just like, right, right. Do you go to the doctor? Do you go back to the doctor who screwed up the surgery the last time? You're like, I don't know if that's a good idea to be listening to this cat, man. But I don't think he screwed up my elbow. He operated on the right one when it's my left.

But I don't think Tua's good enough to take over Michael Penix. Okay, they're kind of hand in hand. Kyler Murray is that much better than um, than McCarthy. Like, that's a very easy— okay, Kyler Murray's brought into play for us now. I mean, Tua and Penix feel like an actual conversation for who might start.

That— well, I mean, yeah, feels like a couple B-minuses, C-pluses, and maybe I'm even flattering them with that at this point. Although Tua is another guy— like, we have moved on from where we were when he threw that touchdown pass against Georgia. He was can't miss. He is way up there on the hype on, on the, on, on the drop-off from how hyped the guy was versus what the reality of him is. And that is with the evidence of 3 years ago, what Tua did with the Dolphins. Still, he is like a ham and egger to all of us. This is, this looms, it's way up there on the list of, of draft analysts hyping a guy. And when you look back on it, you're like, what was all the excitement about with him? He never had a big arm, he was always small. It's very strange. It was Bama doesn't have a rich history of high-end QBs coming out of there.

It didn't make any sense of it. Herbert was the ideal, like, quarterback you dream of, and he went— like, that's just— they overthought this. Let's be about quarterbacks, Dave. I have something— I have a question for you. Um, before Sorsby was ruled ineligible, someone will draft— the betting favorite to draft him was the Pittsburgh Steelers.

He was up there, yeah, that's for sure. I mean, I've told you repeatedly, they're not in a position to be— to pick and choose and to be precious about these things. They, they need the act desperate, which is what they should be at minimum, even if they haven't realized that that's the spot they're in. I think they were looking at him. I don't think you could ultimately draft him. You and I have been on this the whole way through. What are we talking about? Pro football is not going to sign off on this guy.

I— so I do another podcast, I'll give a shout out, with Marty Herney called The GM Shuffle. And we did a show Monday before the Swordsman news came out, and Marty was like, there's not gonna be a supplemental draft. Like, it's just like, the NFL's not going to let this happen. And 3 hours later they're like, nope, not gonna happen. Because look, we can, we can argue about whether or not the NFL needs to be harsher on players who have domestic violence, right, who have sexual assaults. Like, we can argue that. I think they need to be much tougher on that.

You can get up on Mount Pisgah and be like, damn, a few, a few nickels thrown at a football game is worth— like, but the problem is the context. Yes, correct.

But the thing about it though is that this is unfortunate But like, if I hit a woman, that doesn't really affect the integrity of the game. But if I bet on my own team and I throw the game, like, that's just much worse. The NFL feels the integrity of the game is being really attacked by any sort of gambling scandal. And there's not going to— they're not going to do that. They're just not going to— they're not going to open those up. And Sorsby might, might never bet again in his entire life. They don't know that yet. They've had no time to figure it out. They haven't interviewed him. They haven't done any background stuff on him. So it made a lot of sense where they said, hey, like, we're out. And the last thing here too, like, I just— are we, are we so dumb as a society that we can't differentiate between the idea the NFL or a corporation can sort of take money from DraftKings, FanDuel, all those companies, but also tell their employees they have a set of rules they have to follow? Like, you can't gamble on your own team.

Why is that so hard? Who cares who the NFL partners with? Just don't gamble on your own team. It's a rule. We all have rules.

You had a great You had a great analogy for it, and I can't think of what it was, but you did. Like, I guess it would be like Congress people making money while they're in Congress. Oh wait, no, they're allowed to do that for now.

Yeah, well, we could probably do another podcast for that. Um, but, um, no, it was a DUI one, right? Like, if, uh, or drink in the locker room. Like, can you, can you drink in the locker room because NFL has beer sponsorships? No, it's not allowed. Like, that seems like common sense. You just can't bet. Oh, All the NFL says, college football, anyone else, you just can't bet on the sport you play in. It's a very simple rule. Bet anything else you want. They've lessened all those rules up. So, um, Sorsby, it just, it makes a ton of sense why NFL said no. It just, it just does. People can be upset about all they want, but the NFL is looking to protect themselves, and they did no background on him. They don't know. They don't know what his future is going to be.

That's right. They, they are obviously throughout their history very conservative about dipping their toe into these waters. They're not about to take that risk on this guy. What I, what, what Bert Breer and I talked about a month ago is clearly they're going to use him as the sacrificial lamb to send a message to all would-be gamblers, not just in the NFL but also the college kids. We're gonna get you, and you're not gonna make it to this level if this is what you're doing. That's absolutely right. The only thing I disagree with you on is why, why not beer in the locker room? No beer? They should have kegs in the locker room.

I mean, what's the kind of nonsense? I think back in the day that was allowed a little bit.

I think, yeah, in press boxes too, and then they took them out. Some of our greatest legends up in press boxes calling games in the past were drunk while they were doing it. Now, now, now that's, uh, something I should be ashamed of. Fat and double fat. If you see me in the stadium, you can assume that I'm drunk. All right, Jeff Schwartz, maybe not, uh, like 95% of the time. Okay, Jeff Schwartz, best wishes to you and Mitchell, and I hope that, uh, the both of you will shadow our door, our digital door, sooner rather than later. Uh, that'd be great. Wouldn't that be nice? Look, we can finally get that recipe that he wouldn't give me in the Coliseum before that game against the Rams a number of years ago.

If he remembers that, that'd be very funny if you remembered that.

Hey, Jeff Schwartz's brother, what's that recipe? And then he gives me the stink eye. He has to embarrass me. I'm down on the gridiron, I'm down there around my peers, and he's giving me a stink eye. Maybe I don't want Mitchell on the show now.

Now that I think you're probably drunk, you're in the stadium.

That's gross. Touché, touché. Goodbye, Jeff Schwartz. Hope to talk to you soon, fella.

Bye. Ein perfekter Frühlingstag. Sonne. Park. Picknick.

Und so viele Pollen.

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Well, there you go, Gino. He doesn't think that Tua is necessarily even going to be the guy, which I guess I kind of agree with. Have to take a step back quickly though. While he was talking, I got another batter batter. Hey, batter batter for you. The, the person who can't make one of the very popular vertical videos where they talk to camera without walking. Who are these people? They're so important that they have to be on the move? They can't sit down and do it? They're like, ah, it's between my very important appointment here and my next very important appointment. The only chance I have to share my wisdom with you is to walk and talk as I do. That guy or the guy who imagines himself or is in fact a food-based influencer who eats food up close to the camera. I've had it with this. The mastication of food is disgusting. I don't need to see you stick it into your pie hole, into your big maw, and hear the chewing sounds to understand whether or not you like it. Just let me know how it all turned out. Bad or badder, Gino Fuentes?

Okay, you want me first? I'm gonna say that while I also despise the second one, the guy that can't stop for a second to talk to me, I got no time for him. I really don't. I mean, if you're not, if you're you're gonna sit here and you're not even gonna focus on me while you're talking to me. I, I've got something I also— I'd rather do with my eyes too. So I'm just—

I tried to do one of those a month or two ago and I found I got a little winded. I listened back, I was like, man, I can hear you breathing on there, fella.

Walking around your front yard and you're a little winded just from doing—

just doing circles in the front yard.

Yeah. Uh, I'm all in on the food guy being the worst, Dave, but you know that, that like chewing and eating, like that's the that's a thing for some people, you know, they're into that ASMR stuff. Not for me. I don't like it. I don't like it. I get a little overstimulated by that whole thing.

Like when people talk to the mic like this, just their lips all over it and lips and they're making sure that they're popping their lips.

Hey, it's enough. That's— yeah, it's, it's—

God, it's an audio editor. That sounds like crazy. Oh my God.

And by the way, there was a— that was the one burger chain that did ads around— did that, you know, that was maybe 15, 20 years ago where Paris Hilton did them. Then they just had random people, and there was one that was especially grotesque, which was a guy who had just played basketball, so he was all sweaty, and he's sitting in the bleachers and he's sweaty, and then he's like, "Oh man, this sandwich, this burger has so much stuff on it, the sauce leaks out," and it's literally, they show it like, "Oh look, it just gets all on your hands," and now it's blended in with his sweat, and this is the commercial! This is supposed to make me want to go and get it! I love when advertisers achieved the exact opposite of the desired goal. I really am— enough about this. That's a boner. Here's a boner for you too. Did you soccer heads know our pal Ethan Schreier, who we kibitz with every week, floated this one? Did you know that the number one goal scorer in— for the US in World Cup history— do you know who the answer to this one, Gino?

Yeah, we looked it up because I was so shocked when I heard it. I was like, really? Yes. The leading scorer in U.S. soccer history is Own Goal with 6 goals, followed closely by Landon Donovan with 5.

Yeah.

Our— our—

our—

insane— our history at the World Cup, Dave, is so depressing when you think about the fact that—

oh, now we're me and Rich— oh yeah, you're allowed to do that with the American.

Exactly. We're from here. It's like— it's like my school. Like UF. It's me.

You know what I mean?

Yeah. The fact that Mauricio Pochettino is now the most successful head coach in the history in World Cup history for the US Men's National Team.

That doesn't make me a xenophobe. I'm not a xenophobe to say it.

Oh boy, careful.

If it ex— oh, well, listen, your players are supposed to be Ameri— I don't understand why the coach is from— like, you're allowed to hire anyone on the face of Earth to coach your team? Well, Dave, isn't that kind of against the spirit of what you're doing when you're trying to do like, this is that country's team? Like, the coach can be from anywhere though?

Well, I'll just say this. Mauricio Pochettino was a huge hire for the U.S. men's national team because he is a name that this organization has not been able to attract for a long, long time. Now, what I will say is, I care. There has never been a country that has won the World Cup that has won it with a coach that is not from their home country. So if you look at all of the World Cup champions in history—

God's justice.

Yes. If you look at all of the World Cup champions in history, and where their coaches are from, they're all from that country. So yeah, it's, it's, it's a weird thing that you can have coaches hired from other countries. England's trying to do it this year. Obviously the United States is trying to do it this year, but it hasn't proved to be successful.

Never worked. Also, if you look at the U.S. history in soccer, especially in the World Cup, it's, it's just hilarious because right out of the gate, third place.

Yes, exactly, exactly.

In a 12-team tournament, upset England. And then there's nothing until 1994.

We, we didn't go to the World Cup for 44 years.

Well, England's guys must have scored a couple goals to, to provide the—

maybe, maybe that was the own goal. I think it was a 1-0 game, right? I just read a book recently about the history of the US.

It was a huge humiliation.

But yes, I'm hardly, I'm hardly a xenophobe, but in this case, I think you're picking up what I'm laying down. But anyway, that's the tip of the iceberg. Everybody remembers you said funny, buddy, and it's not funny because because in '94, I remember watching that game. In fact, the Colombian guy kicked it into his goal, and I think there was some weird mob stuff when he got back there. It's a little murky exactly, but, but they— I think they shot him, um, because he kicked— not because he kicked the ball into his goal, but there was some other stuff around that. It's murky, like I say. Either way, we're just coming off of an NBA Finals where we had two gigantic boners that really provided the margin. For the Knickerbockers to have this ongoing celebration. One, Wemby's boner was throwing the pass into Castle's ass with 9 seconds to go. And then De'Aaron Fox attempting a layup when there was no reason to attempt that in Game 4 that then allowed the Knickerbockers to— or for them to make the bucket at the other end, win the game, all the rest of it. So I was thinking about the biggest boners because these are high level, obviously postseason.

I think we count World Cup as a special or postseason kind of event. In that game. What are the biggest ones that we've seen in our lifetime? It's mostly— I, I have mostly, uh, pro football ones that we'll go through. But as we jump into this exercise, I do feel like I should, as a man of justice, mention that this whole list is dedicated to Jerome Bettis, because the biggest bone— oh yes, would have been— and I mean, I'm talking about Buckner even though Buckner shouldn't really have had to wear that because Rich Gedman's the one who allowed the passed ball off the right arm of Bob Stanley. Mookie, Mookie Wilson was kind enough to get all the way out of the way, jumped out of the way, lands in the dirt and everything, and Rich Gedman couldn't catch the ball, passed ball that allowed the runners to advance. And then on the iconic infamous play, it's a moot point that the ball goes through Buckner's legs because Bob Stanley didn't cover first base, so Mookie was going to be safe anyway. Way. Um, but the worst one would have been Jerome Bettis fumbling, because that was the last— would have been the last play of his career.

The Colts would have scooped up the fumble at the 1-yard line if Ben Roethlisberger doesn't tackle Nick Harper at midfield. That's the last play of Jerome Bettis's career. It ends what would have been one of the great upsets in postseason history in the NFL. And I think that it would have cost Jerome Bettis the Hall of Fame. How say you?

No way it's costing him the Hall of I think it would have.

It was very—

No, I don't think so. Jerome Bettis is an icon and he would have got it no matter what.

No way. That's okay. Well, you can push back. I say that— well, either way. So even if it doesn't cost him the Hall of Fame, I guess that diminishes a little bit. That would have spoiled one of the great upsets.

Yeah.

Like I say, in modern NFL history and all the rest of it. And that would have been the last play of his career. Instead, he ends it. I don't know if you heard, he's from Detroit and then he went up to Detroit and won the Super Bowl. Ball, and then that was the last thing he did. But imagine if instead, 3 weeks prior, it all got derailed on his fumble, which they're just trying to run the clock out essentially.

Dave, this reminded me of a, of a big-time boner moment. And because Jerome Bettis has a famous moment with the overtime coin toss or something, I'm thinking about Matt Hasselbeck saying, we want the ball and we're gonna score. And then didn't he throw a pick 6 immediately, like on the first play of overtime or something like— and there's a playoff game too.

Like, it was a playoff game, but it was great. I love the balls. I've said, I've said to Matt Hasselbeck, I love that you did that. I've told him that.

Yeah, but it's an all-time boner moment to throw a pick-six. If you do that, if you say we want the ball and we're gonna score, you have, you have to score. You can't throw a pick-six immediately.

I'm not, I'm not debating that. Okay, here's another one for you that, um, I, I never am, to be because how much I feel like this poor guy deserves to wear it. 2012 AFC Divisional Round game, Raheem Moore has the ball thrown over his head by Joe Flacco. The only thing the Broncos couldn't allow in that spot— the Broncos, maybe the best team in the conference that year. If it wasn't the Patriots, it was the Broncos. Peyton Manning, huge year and all of that. Peyton Manning, career-long issues come January. He threw a pick in overtime, but they don't get to overtime. By the way, you can go back, I predicted that like within the second. You can find on social media evidence. I said, I think the Peyton Manning postseason interception that gives the game away is coming up here in 4, 3, 2. I hit send and literally they snapped the ball and he threw an interception. But the Raheem Moore, like he was a rookie if I remember, maybe a second year, but I think he was a rookie guy Isn't that more on the coaches? I, I guess I don't know what they told him, but that, that looms large.

And the Flacco magic run never happens, which means Flacco never gets that deal. And where Lamar Jackson lands several years later is up in the air. A major inflection point though.

Yeah, it also— it's more on Joe Flacco being— having the biggest arm I may have ever seen in the NFL and just being able to launch that ball like, I feel like I remember the play. It kind of took forever to develop. I remember, and Jacoby Jones just kind of leaked back behind the defense, and Flacco just, just put it out there and it went 800 yards down the field, and Jones just leaked behind.

It wasn't a huge throw.

It was more— to me, that's more about the offense and that incredible feat that that throw was than any defensive coverage on the play.

I'll tell you this, if that doesn't happen and then the Broncos win the Super Bowl, we— as much as we talk about Peyton among the greats, I think that would be another little bit that you would make a case. Mark on him, maybe he's better. I think that, that it would create a reality in which you might talk about him being Brady's equal, which is pretty close already, but I think you might be able to do that. Here's another one for you that is a little misdirect: Scott Norwood's miss from 47 in Super Bowl XXV. That miss, if you want to put anything on the kicker was a choke. Missing kicks isn't a boner, that's a choke.

And I don't wanna—

I don't wanna confuse those two things.

That's just, you know, an attempt that didn't go your way. I mean, it changes history if he hits it. All of a sudden the Bills, you know, they win the first of those and then they're just unlucky. They're not an all-time failure, uh, for losing 4 Super Bowls in a row.

I wonder if it changes how many they win. Like, if they win that first one, do you think they get 2 or 3? Do you think they get at least one more? They must have, right? Right? Because at a certain point, like, Dave, once they lose 2 in a row and they get to the third, like, okay, they lose the third one and then they get back the fourth time, you know they're not winning the fourth time, right? Like, going into that, everybody was like, there's no chance they're here again and they're actually gonna— it's too much at this point. 4 straight times.

Let me tell you something, let me tell you, Redskins Super Bowl though, I think the Redskins Super Bowl and the first Dallas one, I think they still lose because Dallas, yeah, beat the shit out of them that first time.

Yeah, but the fourth one—

please keep up, Gino. Yeah, it's not the Redskins and it's not Turkey anymore. It's Turkey A.

Turkey A.

People throw a curveball at us halfway through my life. All of a sudden, what? Now I feel like a heel. Now I feel like a jerk. You decided to do that, and I've been duped before. Well, I didn't get duped, but there were a lot of people about 30 years ago that took the iconic artist Van Gogh and they told us, no, no, No, it's Van Gogh. And then a lot of pretentious asses started running around for like 10 years calling him Van Gogh. And then I don't know if it was Van Gogh's estate or who did it, but they were like, no, no, Van Gogh is the right way. Now all them jackasses are running around ashamed for the rest of their lives. I corrected people like, no, excuse me, it's Van Gogh. Same thing. But anyway, I lost my point. But what I was gonna say is, Gino and Buddy, is you're exactly right. That, you know who really suffers? If the Bills win Super Bowl 25, it first of all dings the legacy of Bill Parcells and the Jeff Hostetler story and all of that. But also the Bills now are a, you know, I keep using the word iconic and I want to be careful because I don't want to say a legendary team, but you know, K Gun and all of that, that was a really high-end team at the time.

People now, they're a punchline. And so if you weren't watching in the moment, this may even surprise you because now the Bills sort of sound like a franchise you're supposed to feel sorry for a little bit because they lost 4 straight Super Bowls. But going into that game— and that was a good Giants team too, by the way— the, um, they win that Super Bowl would have been validating on the level of Greatest Show on Turf and Kurt Warner and all of that, except Jim Kelly was already tracking to the Hall of Fame before all of that. Thurman Thomas, some high-end, you know, you know, Bruce Smith and all the rest.

Andre Reid.

Um, they win that game. Now they have a different level of confidence. And if you want to debate that with me, I don't know what to tell you. But obviously, imbued with the evidence from a year ago— hey, we can compete at the highest level on the biggest stage and win— I don't know if that game against Washington goes any differently. But what I do know is that by the time— if they even have one Super Bowl, if they're 1 out of the last 2 and they get to that Super Bowl to play the Cowboys, Now the Dallas Cowboys winning 2 straight against the Buffalo Bills presents as very different, right? They, they beat a punchline team. By the time they got them the second time, the Cowboys, I was like, obviously we know how this is going to turn out. Oh, those poor Bills fans. Instead, it would be, oh, another showdown, the 2 titans of pro football waging war in back-to-back Super Bowls. This is juicy stuff. Really, who it then is those early '90s Cowboys, because I think we would hold them up in higher regard if they would have had a more formidable foe in the big game.

But what I— all of this I bring up because the boner was Marv Levy, a genius. But there were 10 seconds left on the clock. Run one more play, 47 yards on grass, when your kicker doesn't make kicks from 47 yards, requires you to see if you can get it 5 yards closer. Throw one more pass and let Thurman run it up and get it out of bounds and then try to— the kick, it was a— 47 yards is a long kick. So, okay, so there's that. I'm leaving.

47 yards was a tough kick. Like, remember that? That was like a great call. It wasn't that long ago, like probably 10 years ago. 47 was like, oh man, like this is a coin toss almost, you know what I mean? Now 47 is—

all right, let me give you these quickly. Let me give you these quickly. And choke kicks, the biggest choke kicks are Gary Anderson missing the kick before the end of, uh, regulation. Damn, amazing to put game, right?

That was the Vikings, right?

'98, that was that. Billy Cundiff from 2 feet away in the 2011 AFC title game. Um, but I, I give him a little asterisk because he was Billy Cundiff after all. The other ones— Romo's fumble on the kick up in Seattle, the hold. Yeah, I think the one that is in the conversation, Joe Asai shoving Patrick Mahomes. I don't— I still will debate, you know, Matt Verderame or anyone else Chiefs lover about whether or not that absolutely had to be called in that moment. But either way, he shoves Mahomes in the back, 15-yard penalty, Chiefs win that game. Otherwise, the Bengals and Joe Burrow beat Mahomes and the Chiefs back to back at Arrowhead. Imagine what that does to the respective histories of those two franchises. I think the worst one is Ernest Byner's fumble. Would have only tied the game, but fumbling the game in '80 87 or maybe 88, fumbles the ball the year after they lose to Elway on the drive in Cleveland. The next season they're in Denver for that game, and I think it would have— yeah, so yeah, I think that would have then led to Cleveland-Pittsburgh for the AFC title, if I'm not mistaken.

But either way, that fumble would have tied the game. He fumbles it at the 5 and puts a pox, or extends the pox, on, on the Browns. Okay, so now you have all those— biggest boner in pro football history. How say has.

Dave, one that I had— I thought I saw on this list here, but it might be gone— has got to be the Leon Lett. Leon Lett has two of them, right? He's got the snow game against the Dolphins where—

that's not a play, so that doesn't count.

Okay, against the Bills when he's going into the suit, they blew him out anyway.

But personal humiliation, yeah, but it didn't impact the game.

Having two of those moments, like, Leon Lett might be the biggest—

Cowboys had a chance to set the record for most points, uh, scored in the Super Bowl if they you know, if that touchdown—

that's a great call. And then he does gild the lily with, uh, with a snowy boner.

That's such a great play, dude. That play is so funny. Everybody is waving, don't touch the ball, don't touch the ball. Here comes Leon Lett rumbling through, sliding to pick up the ball. Oh my God.

All right, let's settle it then, because we have to have an answer. I vote it would have been Bettis, but I'm gonna go by the narrowest of margins. Boy, I could really talk myself into Joe Asai shoving Mahomes is the biggest boner because he didn't need to do it, and they win that game. And then, but the Beiner one, that looms bigger because of the stink on the Browns forever. And then again, the Bengals ain't exactly have a rich history either. So which is the worst? Which is bad or badder?

All right, badder is probably Ernest Beiner. I'm gonna have to agree with you there, although the Asai one was awful in real time.

All right, um, now let's, uh, here's a big debate people are having. We don't need to spend any time on this because I just want to get to your soccer picks here. It's time to transition from football America very briefly here at the end of the show to football America. Take it away there, Gino, with— if they have any music. If you don't, we'll just, uh, we'll just jump to it. The debate that I, I don't have any time for right now is the one that's like, oh, you're an ugly American if you say that America's best athletes could, you know, make the US way— you know, we, we would be one of the great soccer countries if our best athletes were playing it. And then people want to argue with me about that. I don't— the argument makes no sense. Yes, they haven't played it. I joke around. I, I try to, to, uh, troll people just out of a sense of fun by saying like, ah, listen, give them a month and Christian McCaffrey and Tyreek Hill and those guys could get up to speed. Maybe they couldn't do that. If you had a time machine, if you had the DeLorean and you went back to the year 2000, and instead of focusing on football and all the other stuff.

And you said— I'm not even talking about all-time greats, I'm talking about the guys playing right now. Like I say, Tyreek Hill, CMC. I can dip into other sports. Russell Westbrook in goal, or LeBron in goal, uh, the phenom on the Pittsburgh Pirates who's lightning fast and made a muscle, Connor Griffin. These guys, if they hadn't focused on the sports they did and focused instead on soccer What case is there? Yes, Morocco just has a deeper well of great athletes, but not just great athletes, but athletes born specifically to be better at soccer than what we could produce is illogical, right?

Uh, I mean, okay, if I was to— you mean pick up an NFL player and just send them down the path of soccer at a young age just with the body type? Yes!

I'm not saying do it. I'm not saying you should have done it in March of '26, but if you did it in March of '20, the year 2000.

Yeah, I would send Tyreek Hill down that path. Super fast, he's, he's, you know, strong for his size. Very smart.

Lamar Jackson. Yeah, Josh Allen couldn't be good in goal.

You're—

I, I'm picturing Tyreek like Adama Traoré running around out there, kind of like a wing ball, kind of like a number—

I'm almost like a withdrawn striker kind of guy.

Yeah, you know who I see out there is DeVonta Smith. He's got that skinny build, right? Yeah, it's kind of lanky. But he's got great feet. I saw a video of him dancing with Jalen Hurts. I think it was DeVonta Smith's wedding. They were line dancing. Got great feet, very smooth, would be able to create off— on the ball and off the ball with his speed as well, getting down the field. I think DeVonta Smith, like, when I picture a soccer player, because he's so skinny, like soccer players, they're not really that big-built kind of guys that you see football players.

I would say every guy ain't built for soccer is just the same as every soccer player isn't built to play football, right?

Although I can imagine LeBron James being a terrifying goalie.

Oh my God. Yeah, not letting anything for a present.

I also get— I also get the— what you're saying about the slider build, but also Saquon Barkley wouldn't be good, and it wouldn't be good at soccer if that had been his life.

As a striker, yeah, those giant thighs.

The only thing would be tough is if we have this time machine and we're back in 2000, but we have the evidence of what they play, the how good they are at their sports. The only thing that would be tough would be the cut list is like, which, which 12 or which guys are you guys— are we actually gonna put right through? All right, let's round this out here with some, uh, Football America picks for this coming weekend in World Cup action, which has been absolutely delightful. The Canada end of that game earlier this week, the saves and everything. Oh, I felt bad for the fun one, Canada. Yeah, that was good. Anyway, go ahead, take it away.

Okay, so, um, let's see, we got Spain and Uruguay Uruguay, uh, on Friday, uh, and that's going to be pretty much— I mean, Uruguay's got to, got to make something happen in this or they're going to be out of the World Cup. But I think they are going to be out of the World Cup. Spain had it tripped up in their first game, but that's normal apparently. Uh, we saw Argentina last World Cup, they lost their first game to Saudi Arabia, won every game after that, won the World Cup. I think Spain is starting to hit their stride and I think Uruguay is going to end up out of the World Cup.

So Spain has a player named Lamal, who was the lead singer.

Lamin Yamal.

Yamal. Oh, okay. Yeah, because they had— because Kajagoogoo, the Australian band from the early '80s, uh, hitmaker, or one, one hitmaker, um, Lamal. He's saying though, after he left Kajagoogoo, he sang the, the, the theme song to Neverending Story. The Neverending Story. But 'Cause you're too shy shy, hush hush, aye do aye.

Anyway, I like this as a segment, Dave. Just Dave ripping off theme songs. All right, my pick—

I can talk soccer too.

Go ahead. Oh, I'm sure you can. All right, my pick, I'm gonna go to the other big-time matchup from this weekend's action. I'm gonna go to Saturday, Colombia and Portugal, right here in Miami at Miami Stadium. I'm gonna take Colombia in this matchup. I really like the way Colombia is playing so far. Portugal played really well against Uzbekistan, but I kind of think they're more of the team that we saw in the first matchup, uh, when they played DR Congo and drew with DR Congo. They have some real flaws in this squad. I know Ronaldo bagged a brace in the second game, but I just think they're kind of closer to that team we saw in the first match. And Colombia, to is only starting to find their stride. They, uh, beat DR Congo last time out and they looked really good offensively. So give me Colombia here, though I do like both teams to score in this match for sure. It should be— this is the gem of the group stage. It's on the last day of the group stage and it should be a phenomenal game.

Before we round out this episode, one question for one man: Gino Fuentes, are you happier with Malik Willis or do you wish Tua Tua, or I— what if I could do this? You can have Malik Willis, or you can have Tua and Michael Penix for this coming season. Who would you— which, which situation would you prefer as a Dolphins guy?

I think the whole thing with Tua ran its course. By the way, I think Tua is going to have a great year playing most of his— playing all his home games indoors, right? And, and he's gonna— he's not— doesn't have to go to Buffalo, he doesn't have to go to New England, you're gonna go to Buffalo, he doesn't have to go to New York to play the Jets. Even, even if the Jets are bad that's still bad weather games. So I think he's gonna have a great year. Um, Malik Willis, just because I think the Tua thing ran its course and Penix can't stay healthy anyway, and that's the same problem you had with Tua.

Yeah, I'm with Gino there.

At least it's something new, something fresh.

Yes, you're jealous of Malik Willis.

Or also, like, the Dolphins have never had a running quarterback like this before. Yeah, that's going to be fun.

It's something new, it's something fresh, something exciting. Just to— yeah, if we had just run the Tua thing back, it sounds like you're describing Football America, which I encourage you to tell your friends and family about.

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