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Wow, that was good. Excellent job there, Dominique.

You're gonna do something, you got to do it right.

So Dominique, yesterday I went to the movies. I took my son last night, me and my 14-year-old. We do everything together. And what—

whatever, man, nothing's wrong with it. I love it.

I love it. And we went and we saw Supergirl.

Did you get the dick cup?

I mean, that's the only question you have to ask. Like, we'll find out.

Dick cup.

Find out whether it was good or not later. But the most important question, you got a souvenir?

You get that DC? No, I didn't get that DC.

You— I mean, you went to Supergirl, you did get that DC. I mean, you didn't get that Marvel. You took that DC.

Why would you say something like that?

It's a DC movie, is it not? Yeah, right. Did you go to that? You got that Marvel?

Dave, is this your first time seeing the DC?

What, what, what in the holy hell is that thing?

It's a dick cup.

Bit fleshy.

You're handing out wieners because you go to see a superhero movie?

She wears a trench coat over her super— yeah, that's what that's supposed to be. But you know, they, they do this on purpose.

Yeah.

No, they don't.

Yeah, they absolutely do. It was the Dune popcorn bucket where everyone's like, oh, I think I can bang that. And now Every popcorn bucket.

It's gross.

It's designed for you to be like, you ask the question anytime they come out, well, but can I bang it?

Yeah.

And so they just took it next level. No one's really thought about doing it with a cup. And so DC was like, let's just make this look super fleshy. And everyone's like, oh, this was a mistake. This wasn't a mistake. Come on.

They definitely had a version of it. And then there was a meeting and they're like, we needed to look more like skin color.

Zazz, did you bang the Grayskull Castle when you went to see He-Man?

Yeah, you did.

No, we were waiting, man. You got to answer the question.

I got to be honest, that pause, it was 50/50.

The answer to whether or not—

Wang!

What thing is that?

What kind of wang?

Why are they handing that out?

What's it have to do with Supergirl? Ow!

I mean, that Dune one looks painful.

Bangable.

It's like, it, it's like cats. That's why they're screaming all the time, because they kind of have these like teeth, like, like that Dune popcorn bucket where it grasped the penis of the cat. And so anytime, anytime you hear these cats mating on the outside, it's like, wow, does that sound like they're having a great time?

A little bit.

But also when the cat tries to remove the penis, the— those things are being dug into the skin, the fleshy cat penis skin.

It's like trying to exit a car rental place.

That's right.

Oh yeah, I'm trying to get the sense—

did Mike actually bang the dune? Souvenir? It's starting to sound—

I had a friend that did. —like the actions and everything.

We all had a friend that did, right?

Look, here's the bottom line. If I didn't buy the Castle Grayskull popcorn holder, if I didn't buy the Battle Cat popcorn holder for He-Man, which is as much fun as I've had at a movie in years, then I was not going to buy the Supergirl trench coat cup. So no. I did not buy that yesterday. Now I will tell you though, I loved that movie last night. Supergirl's good. That's a good movie. It's really fun. I highly rec— I like the new DC, like James Gunn who took over that whole universe, you know. I like what they're doing. I like the old DC where it was super dark, Zack Snyder, but I really like what's happening now. The Superman movie that came out last year, I think is my favorite superhero movie I've ever seen. I loved it so much, and that movie last night, I loved it. I mean—

We knew you liked that, DC.

Why you say that?

I knew you like the Snyderverse.

Uh, yeah, I did, I did like it, but, but I think I like what they're doing now more than that. But I, I did like it because I like sometimes my superhero movies.

These, these are bigger now. Like, they're like bigger and like it's a little softer too. Like, it's bigger and softer.

Yes. Are you describing the film or the cup? Yes.

Like, these, these DC movies now, they got heart to it. They're more colorful. There's a bit of humor to it. Vascular.

So girthy, throbbing.

And the thing I like the most, by the way, Jason Momoa, he's good in this movie. He's fun. He plays Lobo.

Is he cut? 3 words: we are the Lobos.

Can I tell you something that's weird though about this Supergirl movie? And it's not a spoiler for those who have seen it. I'm actually helping you out here. I'm saving you your time. When is the last time a superhero movie had no post-credits scenes? Not a single post— like, the superhero movie— I don't remember what the first one— maybe Iron Man? That did a post-credits scene? Was that like the start of that?

Where Nick Fury shows up?

Yeah, yeah, and that became a thing.

We're building a team?

That's a thing. I want to talk to you about the Avengers Initiative. That became a thing, right? Where every superhero movie You stay in your seats because there's 2, sometimes 3. And other movies have this too. Like, I saw He-Man last week. They had 3 post-credits scenes.

Toy Story 5 had one. Is that—

did you see Toy Story 5?

I did. And don't spoil it. My daughter saw it and I had to stop her from spoiling it. Well, she said something like—

she was like, Buzz.

And I'm like, don't you dare say it.

Well, this is something— this is something that you should know. Something that you should know, because it's not really in the marketing that I saw. It's a Jesse movie.

Oh, that's why Joan Cusack like made her like first appearance on the red carpet in years, right?

Is that how you say Joan Cusack? Yeah. I thought you were saying the name of a Star Wars character. It's rough in here, man. Joan Cusack. It's like some sort of Star Wars bounty hunter. Whatever, man.

Who cares? How much do you hate Lily Pad?

Oh dude. So my daughter took the wrong lesson from it. She saw that and wanted to play with the tablet right away. But, but Over the weekend, then we started playing with toys and using the imagination. And I really like that lesson that we got from it.

So you liked it though? It's good.

I really liked it. But there are some people that are like, man, the marketing kind of got me.

I wanted more Woody, wanted more Buzz.

And this is absolutely a Jessie movie. Really? It should have been. I understand why they made it Toy Story 5 and they want to trick people a little bit with marketing. Some people kind of feel duped, but it is 100%. It's like, it's like 90% Jessie. And Buzz and Woody are just accents on it.

So this isn't Toy Story 5. This is Jesse 1. Pretty much.

I don't have— I don't think I have it in me. I don't really have any interest in Toy Story 5.

And all of them are bangers. Even with your kid there, he's not into—

he's 14. Like, he's a little—

he's going to be— so leave him at home.

Supergirl, the younger one.

Yeah. Supergirl is a superhero movie.

I love how this is like, I'm not taking my kid to see a kid movie.

Get out of here. Toy Story. Toy Story is like for kids. You go to wrestling, you have a younger kid too.

I mean, Toy Story is also for parents.

Team. Hold on a second. Dominik makes a great point.

Yeah, like it's okay to like these things. There's no shame in it. Like, you're not ashamed that you like wrestling. Why would you turn your nose up at someone wanting to go see Toy Story?

First of all, I don't know why there would be any shame in me liking wrestling.

No shame.

That's number one. All right.

So then why is there shame in you potentially going to see Toy Story?

There's no shame in me seeing it.

You reacted like you— like there was some judgment. No, no, no. You think I would go see Toy Story?

What? I didn't mean that. That's— that's fair. I did not mean that. Go see Toy Story if you want. I'm just saying, for me, I don't know, like, I, I'm, I'm not so interested in Toy Story. Toy Story 4, I didn't think was that great. Toy Story 3, that's the best of them all. Toy Story 4, didn't love. And it's not like my kids are of an age where they want to go see Toy Story anymore. It's like, I think I'm out on Toy Story. That's all, that's all. Go see a movie if you want.

You don't want to— I'm so invested in these characters. All right, but I mean, I, I thought they were all going to die. I legitimately thought they—

I legitimately thought they were all going to die in 3.

Yeah.

Oh my God, when they were in the incinerator, I thought they were I thought they were gonna get burned and then the movie ends. Roll credits.

What an ending that would have been.

Yeah, that would have been— Quentin Tarantino speaks on this. It's like the greatest trilogy of all time at that point if they die. But I wish somebody would have paused the movie in a Zaslav voice. Hey, listen to me. You really think Disney is gonna forfeit trillions of dollars? You really think they're gonna kill Woody, huh? You think they're gonna kill Woody? That's what— that's me. Is you think for one second they're gonna put kids through that trauma of killing Woody and Buzz Lightyear and losing trillions of dollars?

That's me.

You think? You think they're gonna do that? You're an idiot.

I'll work on that if I were you. I'll work on that. I will admit though, I woke up this morning, I had text messages from my father. Who is like live texting me as he's watching Team USA last night. He's into it. My dad likes soccer, you know, and he's into it. I had dinner with him a few nights for Father's Day. I had dinner with him a few nights ago. I was like, "Hey, are you watching the World Cup? You know, you watching Team USA?" He's like, "Yeah, I love it." And so he's live texting me last night, but I got the text this morning because, shameful admission, I fell asleep before the start of the game last night. Ooh. Yeah. Now I wouldn't— I would have forced myself See, that's part of my problem. I do tummy time in the bed, I watch on the tablet, and if you're tired like I am, a 10 PM start time, I'm going to fall asleep. I'm already in bed. But if the game had stakes last night, I'd have stayed downstairs watching the family room. I wouldn't have put myself in a position to fall asleep.

So, uh, Mike, like last night, I got some— well, yeah, I guess I got some questions, you know? How did Team USA look last night? Obviously they lost. Türkiye scored their first goal of the World Cup. They ended up winning. They scored in, in, in stoppage time, like 90+8, so they must have scored at the very end of stoppage time, and they beat the United States 3-2. But overall, is there anything positive to take away from last night? Loads of positives.

Not great that Türkiye beat the US, especially in the manner that they did right at the end, but I think you came away from that performance knowing that if the US had their first-team squad the US wins that match. For me, the biggest takeaway was how great Christian Pulisic looked. I was nervy.

He didn't start though, did he?

He didn't, he didn't start, and then he came on the field and he was unbelievable, bossing the game like a global elite soccer player. It was pretty obvious to even a casual soccer fan who the best player on that pitch was.

So clearly Pochettino handled it properly. He didn't play the second game, He came in as a sub in the third game and looked fantastic.

He looked fantastic. I guess that diffuses some of the injury concerns. He didn't get hurt there, which is— everybody's heart was in their throat when he came on the field because they were worried he'd reinjure himself. But for me, outside of Pulisic, this is what you should be really bummed that you missed, guys. There was a Fight Club reunion. Everybody north of 40. Everybody north of 40, pointed at their TV, did the DiCaprio meme, and saw Tyler Durden and Narrator in the same frame. This is something like— they haven't been photographed many times together.

Yeah, I don't recall them like being together.

I've never seen them hanging out, and they were hanging out for a long stretch of that game.

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Dan Lebatard. Hey, uh, Demacek, you know about that Jadakiss?

Dave Demacek? No, I don't. Okay, I figured.

This is the Dan Lebatard Show. Fight Club, the very first DVD I ever bought.

Fight Club, my favorite movie of all time, and that seems pretty obvious. I fit that mold. I also like nu metal, and I hate Dave Dameshek's takes on that. More on that in a second. But they were hanging out. They seemed like legit friends. By the way, the shirt, the jersey, the lifestyle jersey that Brad Pitt wore, every— this whole look sold out immediately once it was shown on frame. His entire head-to-toe drip sold out. And rare to see some of the natural facial hair color on Brad Pitt. He usually has a pretty good colorist. Leaning in. But Ed Norton was super into the game. There were so many stars there last night. Ed Norton got really excited for a big play here in this match.

Yeah, did you see this, Dominique? The first goal, yeah. Edward Norton was a— he was afraid! Look at him! He's afraid when the US scores the goal. Did somebody tell him before the game that when a goal is scored, like, the goalie gets executed?

He's afraid. I recognize that. That's the face I make whenever you say, what do you think, Dave? Because I'm like, oh, we're in for something here. We're on a roller coaster all the way.

Terrific again, Diamond. Anyway.

It could be great. Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, Dave, go. No, no, please.

The floor is yours. Oh no, don't do this.

Dave, this was in LA, the social.

Yeah, no, the thing I resent is what is the passive-aggressive move from Brad Pitt. Now, of course, Johnny Depp is the worst violator of this, which is But Pitt's doing it too, which is I'm gonna wear the floppy bucket hat or whatever it's called, that thing. It looks good on nobody, but Brad Pitt can wear it because what he's saying to all the other fellas out there is, you see how ridiculous I look? I could still take your woman if I wanted to. That's— I don't like that. It's, it's Johnny Depp with all the scarves and the jewelries and all the rest of it. It's like Yeah, you look like a ridiculous ass, and you laugh at him, and then he goes like, yeah, your lady liked it, and he means it. He means it. He could take any woman. I don't like that.

So where does Team USA stand? I mean, they won their group. Do we know who they're gonna play in the round of 32?

99% certainty this is Bosnia. I think it's actually— Bosnia-Herzegovina! Yeah, both countries. Good fans. Yeah. Tall Tess.

You don't have to tell me about that.

Tall Tess having to play too, but if you're seeing how this bracket, this side of the bracket that they're on is breaking down, very favorable. Yeah, tell me. Yeah, you got Egypt, potentially a following knockout stage game against either them or Belgium, depending on how some of the results go. Is Belgium definitely in? No, Belgium has to win today. Right. There's a lot of interesting scenarios. I thought it's been a great tournament, by the way, already the most attended World Cup in history. Think about that.

Think about that. Now, is that fudging the numbers? You know, like, like Vince McMahon, he'll tell you there's 200,000 people at WrestleMania 3. We all know that's not true.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if they're fudging the numbers. But look, it's an expanded World Cup. There's more games, no doubt.

Who is that?

This is Gonzalo. But we also have to keep in mind, you know how many more matches there are? Yeah, it's a lot more. Yeah, like, like about 45 more. About 40. Are you talking like they've already set the record? Nobody. They're about 4 million people have gone to the games. How many more million people with 45 more games? 45 more games. We love him. Hey, listen to me. 45 more. 45 more. Is that you? I, I know it's not me. 45 more. Yeah, that's me.

You work on that. You know how many?

Yeah, just take that math, multiply. Take that what? Take that math, apply over 45 more.

Swallow your tongue. How's that impression? I don't swallow my tongue.

You know how many fans that is? How many? 200 million fans. Rough estimate, 200. What? That what?

Hey, hey, how you feel about Kawhi Leonard to the Heat?

Awful. That team sucks. Bad basketball team. Let me tell you, Miami Heat, Kawhi Leonard, bad basketball.

I'm being misrepresented. That's what you said.

You said sucks. Which was harsh. Harsh. You said sucks.

Doesn't matter, it's not gonna happen.

Dave, he said sucks, right? Sucks.

Whatever, it's not gonna happen. Tell you what else sucks, Dave, you've been getting crushed with your nu metal take. Nu metal?

Well, you and I both, to be fair, Zazz, but I think we were spot on. And Korn, you and I agreed that the worst popular band of our lifetime is— is new— well, I said what genre of music, you said nu metal.

Yeah, because I—

because I said Korn.

I like Korn, but I don't like —genre of music.

Well, Limp Bizkit is worse, but Korn, it feels like, initiated the— well, Rage Against the Machine, I feel bad, 'cause I like Rage Against the Machine, but I think they ushered in Korn, that then you got all these other horrible bands.

Rage Against the Machine is one of my all-time favorite bands, I love Rage Against the Machine, but I think you are right, where that kind of rap-metal, it then spawned nu-metal.

Give Beastie Boys a little credit here.

You're right. Beastie Boys, like, it's more hip-hop than metal, right? Right.

But then they started venturing over to rock. So where Dave's approaching it as a rock band that had— that started toying with hip-hop, whereas the core discipline for Beastie Boys was hip-hop, but they actually were a punk band to start and then ventured over there and they went back to their roots. I think Beastie Boys for a huge part of America and Public Enemy too. Public Enemy deserves a lot of credit. Run-DMC did a lot of work. Like basically anything Rick wrote, uh, Rick Rubin touched had that influence. But yeah, it— you could see generationally, about 15 years later, the kids that grew up listening to Beastie Boys and Run-DMC and Public Enemy, they started toying with that concept a little bit more, and it birthed nu metal. And yeah, well, I'll concede, not the strongest generation of rock music. There were weaker spots, like hair metal wasn't better than— or Hair metal was just as bad as that. And I do think that there, there have been some bands, especially— I don't, I don't understand the sideswipe on Korn in particular because I think Korn has displayed— I like— they have staying power and they have a pretty unique sound.

It gives me a stomachache, but whatever.

And— but you get to see what did it, right?

If you look down, what are they so— at that 25-year-old millionaire, so overwrought, so upset. What are you so down about, white guy? What do you— what's so wrong in your world that you got to complain?

I have to cut myself to feel.

I believe he was sexually assaulted by a neighbor. Yeah, he did a whole song about it. It's a very disturbing listen.

But now I feel attacked by you, Mike, and I don't appreciate that.

I will tell you the one— I will tell you, like, like Dave is saying he doesn't like Korn. I'll tell you that group that I don't like slash don't get, and everyone's gonna get really mad when I say it, but It is what it is. I don't get Linkin Park.

I didn't like Linkin Park as it was happening, but now it feels nostalgic, which is— I'm sure a lot of people feel that way about hair metal, which I think is a good comp. Like, man, looking back, this wasn't the coolest era of rock music, but it just takes you back to a time. And so I get it. They, they were, they were kind of like a pop rock band.

Does nothing for me. I get it.

I get it.

We can all agree that Korn with a C is better than Korn with a K, yeah?

Oh, for sure.

Yeah, Korn tastes better than Korn's music is good.

A little bit of a lowdown. Put it on the poll.

Put it on the poll. Have you heard Falling Away? Cheese?

Juju, put it on the poll. Which Korn is better?

Got the Life?

Also, Linkin Park would be a good one.

Mike is maybe right though. Korn, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park. Versus Poison, White Lion, and I can't even think of other bands.

White Snake, Warrant.

Yeah, that's a good one. That maybe is worse.

It's a big Google segment for your boy.

So no Jadakiss. Yeah, he didn't know Jadakiss. You don't know Warrant. It's fair. Fair play. What do you do with Deftones? Because I think they're more of a metal band. A lot of people just mischaracterize bands that were playing rock music, getting airplay on rock and roll stations while nu metal was happening as a nu metal band. System of a Down also gets this, and they are not a nu metal band.

I like Deftones when they cover other groups.

You don't like Deftones originally?

I like Deftones when they do Weezer's Say It Ain't So. That's how I discovered Deftones. Me too, me too. And I like Deftones— yeah, me— oh, I used to steal so much music from Napster. I don't care, come at me, bro. And I also like Deftones' cover of Leonard Skinner's Simple Man. Yeah.

Have you ever heard their Sade cover? No, you've never heard the Deftones? 'Innary Love' cover? No, really? Deftones got some incredible covers. Deftones have been around for over 30 years.

All right, all right, that's something right there.

Stained. Would you— okay, Stained sucks, but I— look, every Tuesday night I, I do a Dad Rock Forever thing at my bar.

Oh, I want to come to that!

Come, come on Tuesday. That sounds awesome. Yeah, I play a lot of stuff.

What time's that at?

It starts at 6.

All right, because I'm more of like an earlier—

yeah, well, this starts earlier. All right. Earlier than 6, 6 and 9 PM-ish. 6 is good. Yeah. All right, dude. You know who showed up? Who? Last on this most recent Tuesday?

I mean, it could be anyone, but who? Tartan Army. Oh, wow.

How about that? A lot of money was spent.

I feel like Tartan Army really put a boost in the Miami economy.

Yes. Everyone loves them. It's a— we are every single small business owner in South Florida. Is basically spreading their butt cheeks apart trying to get Tartan Army's attention.

I don't know if it needs to be said like that.

It's like walking down the street in Southeast Asia right now. We all want some of the Tartan Army.

That's industry lingo.

Yeah, no, I am pulling my butt cheeks apart saying, Tartan Army, get over here!

Well, that's what happened to them when they played against Brazil. Yeah.

Oh, I have a scenario in case you want— in case you also own a small business and want Tartan Army to invade your town. Not looking good for our boys here, but, uh, here's— they have a 12% chance to make it to the knockout stage. They're technically still in it. I think they are the last team in right now. They need Belgium to beat New Zealand. That seems plausible, and in fact likely. They need Egypt to win El Homofóbico.

You know about that? I, I get it.

Yes. Yeah. Egypt versus Iran. Yeah. Uh, in Seattle, it is the, uh, the pride match with two countries that are less than enthused about this.

Interesting venue for that game.

Iran seems in particular really perturbed by this, but whatever, we'll pay them $300 billion, they'll be alright. They need Spain to beat Uruguay, which I think that happens. Cabo Verde, you know, Cape Verde, Cape Verde, Cabo Verde. Cabo Verde! I've heard like 12 different pronunciations of this name, and I apologize, I'm trying to get all of them. Because at some point I'll be right. They need them to beat Saudi Arabia. Tougher, but I think that can happen. But here's one where it falls apart. They need Senegal to draw or lose to Iraq.

Oh, that's, that's probably the toughest one.

That, that's where I think our Tartan Army falls short. And we're going to have to be looking at some other fan bases to pull our butt cheeks apart for.

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It's a good algorithm. This is the Dan Levatar Show. Dave Dameshek, did you see the, the whole to-do over the last couple of days? What's going on with Caitlin Clark? We talked about it a bit on the show yesterday. You see what's going on there with your girl and the Indiana Fever and the big latest controversy involving Caitlin Clark?

I wasn't aware of— update me on what the latest chapter is, but it all amounts to just an insane situation. This— the sport 2 years ago was the emerging star on the in the world of sports, right? And now everybody hates its biggest star and the one who has really caused the boon.

So, so as you can see on the video here, that's— what the hell, right? That's two nights ago. Alyssa Thomas is straight up fist to the throat of Caitlin Clark. She's pulling the move where, you know, you kind of use the person on the ground as leverage to get up, even though we all know, you know, you're really just trying to make them uncomfortable. But here she does it with a fist and she does it in Caitlin Clark's throat. And Dave, I can tell this the first time you're seeing this. Let me also tell you that a foul was not called on this play. This was a legal play. All right. In the game the other night. And, you know, everybody was all up in arms about it. The treatment of Caitlin Clark, the way that other players treat her. She's not protected. Her safety is at risk. And yesterday the WNBA has now suspended Alyssa Thomas for a game, which I mean, I think is appropriate. I think a lot of people are angry. They think she should have been suspended multiple games. I don't know, a game suspension feels pretty appropriate for that, right?

Right?

Well, so this is why national treasure Boomer Esiason now is saying that Caitlin should take herself overseas. Women's leagues even exist overseas. Yeah, they try.

They have women's leagues over there. And I was like, that's how we ended up with the Brianna— with the Brittney Griner situation.

I'm sure Boomer Esiason can name all of them.

Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I— this is what I said yesterday. Like, I feel crazy, like, coming in because I know that you could pick some things from sports that I watch a lot of, like basketball and football. You pick one thing, you're like, these guys are— insane. And like, I don't actually know what this is like all the time. And like, we found out yesterday about the Caitlin Clark poster situation. I don't know. It just feels like I'm getting duped. Any time I open Twitter and there's like a whole Caitlin Clark controversy, I know not to get involved because I know that this is a trap. It is a trap to pull us in and make us argue about something that we don't actually care about.

Well, so I will tell you, Did she die?

No, I don't really care about— She almost did. I don't really care.

She almost did.

Okay, well, you care. I don't really care about Caitlin Clark's throat.

Louis, Louis, show the tweet. Show the very accurate representation of what happened by Benny Johnson. Quote, this is our George Floyd.

That is a great— Oh no, that's a great tweet.

This is our George Floyd. If that— No, no, no.

If that is your George Floyd, that really says like Hey, things are pretty good.

Yeah, Benny, things are pretty good. Benny, I think you're missing the point. Yeah, nailed it. I agree, that is your George Floyd. You're absolutely right. Who is that guy? Benny Johnson?

I don't know that fool.

God, I love your existence. Ah man, to be Jonathan Zaslow, to live in the space where you don't know Benny Johnson, consider yourself blessed, my man.

Yeah, I don't know that fool. Whatever. All right, I'll never think about him again after now.

Oh, you won't think about the guy that said this is our George Floyd? No, he's like, I'll never remember that guy's name again.

Name. Like, I don't know who that is. Shout out to his family.

It's not the coach of the Bears.

But I, I'm a fan of Boomer's WNBA coverage, and I think that this should be an amazing thing that Boomer said.

Why don't you let everybody know what he said?

I think that this should be his new beat because he ventured to like, you know, Caitlin Clark, this is on— this is ridiculous treatment of Caitlin Clark in the WNBA because she should go overseas. She should go over.

And why is she being treated this way?

Because she's a white woman and straight. And straight, right? Yes. Yes. Which, you know, perfect. Thank you for the thought-provoking take. In fact, CBS does a great job covering women's sports. Chris Whittingham should toss it to Boomer on the sidelines of the UEFA Champions League women's final. NWSL, put Boomer in the booth. We are blessed to have Boomer finally covering women's sports. This is the kind of coverage that the mainstream has been missing.

Can you imagine if Caitlin Clark were to heed Boomer Esiason's advice there and leave? Like, some venture capitalist would back her to have her own league. She'd be like the— like the biggest sissy of all time, where you're running away from the league that's mean to you.

But at least Boomer Esiason will be there supporting. Hopefully in the booth.

I also don't think that the appeal that she has here would translate. Like, I'm not sure that if she went to go play for a Spanish team or a team in Russia, that—

right, they don't give a shit about Caitlin Clark. Oh, we got Caitlin Clark.

Let's pay up, baby.

They got straight white women over there too.

Like, that was the part of the thing. It was like Caitlin Clark was shooting from the sticker. There was this big rival, like, subplot rivalry in college that we all cared about that felt like a race war and made us really interested. It was fun. Caitlin Clark means something to us here. She's not going to go over there and be like, fill up the stadium.

I get the white thing. Look, it has to be said, having a white superstar, especially an American, which is a big deal. I always find it funny when NBA people like Bill Simmons are like, man, if we had our best players playing soccer, we dominate. When like the NBA hasn't had an American MVP in a decade, like, get your own house in order a little bit at this point. But yeah, I— stupid me. I never thought when she was bombing away from half court, she's straight. You catch that? Hey, you won't believe this. That girl shooting from half court, lighting up college basketball. She's straight.

I think guys like Boomer and I mean, not just like guys like Boomer. People believe that, like in the WNBA, a good proportion, certainly a disproportionate number relative to society, are like out gay women. And so like that sport would look at someone who's not like that and see her get the attention and they feel offended. Like you could understand that they would feel offended. Like, man, we've been here doing it and maybe you won't celebrate us because we do not fit this construct. It's like a weird mind game where it's like the reason why people think that the WNBA doesn't like her is because she fits too neatly into the broader society. It's a weird way to be like, I'm oppressed, or my— I guess Caitlin's not saying this— saying my idol Caitlin is oppressed because she's just a little too much like everybody else. It's just a weird place to be in. I'm not making any argument about it otherwise, but I recognize that if you're a white person watching basketball, you see a white person playing basketball well, You got to be a little bit more excited. Like, I think we all have that little impulse in us.

Can't wait for the I Have a Dream remix with David Guetta. This song goes out to— but is she—

the thing I don't know, to Dominique's point, is, is she in fact the best player in the league?

No, no, not even close. She's not. No, no, that's all right. She, she might be top 10.

It was said they would build it up too. What? She's not— she's barely top 10.

I like Pop culture reference.

I wanted to know where it was going to go.

From, you know, COVID, from 2020. It was going to be nice. Shout out to Dave Dameshek's family.

Yeah, Dave, she's definitely top 10. I mean, I don't think you can make the case top 5. I don't think so. I think she's right outside the top 5. So between 5 and— Really? Caitlin Clark isn't in the top 5?

Well, then I agree with everyone then. She is getting too much shine if that's the case.

No, but where is she with the straight women?

Probably, probably in the top 5, maybe top 3.

Top 3, maybe top 3 straight ladies.

Like, I know every girl's— every woman's sexuality in that league. I have no idea.

I mean, so Sophie Cunningham, she got the poster and, and she owned Twitter. Yeah, she might be my favorite for the right reasons. Like, you can own Twitter for the wrong reasons. She's so great. Sophie Cunningham's reaction that became a meme of her pointing was the centerpiece of all the best Twitter jokes yesterday. They were all nice, happy, fun WNBA ish content.

Like, that's going to have more run than a 24-hour run. Like, that's not just a quick— that's going to be a long-standing meme for a very long time.

You want to talk about understanding filling a role, and, and she understood— what was it, like early last year— where I'm going to be the one who protects Caitlin Clark. Like, I'm going to be this tough guy and that's going to be my role. When the reality of it is, like, like Dominique, do we know if she's act— like, is she actually tough?

Like, I have no idea. Sophie Cunningham? Yeah. Is she?

I guess so. Yeah.

Like, I don't know.

Sure, like, certainly good analysis by you.

Yeah, that was good.

I mean, that's how I feel about it. Every time someone brings up WNBA, let's talk about it, I feel like I don't really watch it, guys.

Can we get Pelosi kneeling in the holes wearing a Caitlin Clark jersey?

That's what's up. That's what's up. Now you're thinking.

So a couple things to revisit from yesterday. Number one, Dominique was 1,000% right when we because I brought up yesterday and it became a thing on Twitter. It was like a hot topic for 24 hours, how the WNBA, which by the way, is still a really weird league. Okay. And they put out this commemorative poster which has a representative player, either a legend or a current player from every single team. And for the Indiana Fever, it's Sophie Cunningham. It's not Caitlin Clark. Which is really odd on the surface. And you're wondering why, like, why are you pushing back from marketing your most popular, most visible player in everything you possibly can do to market the league? And your only answer to that was— ended up being correct.

Yeah, because I mean, I thought it was obvious. I'm sure that they wanted her on there, but I just assumed that there was some sort of like marketing or licensing group licensing situation. And I referenced the old basketball games that we used to pick up and want to play. And then the guy who was on the Bulls that looked a lot like Michael Jordan was like, number 23, Jordan. Like, he's a person who is supremely marketable, has different deals, and you can't have any conflict there. Like, it seemed like an obvious reason why she wasn't up there to me. And then we come to find out that that was the reason.

So is that kind of like a dick move, though, on her part where it's like, no, no, you're not going to be able to use me to promote the league unless you pay me more money?

No. In the history of video games, who are the athletes that didn't allow this? Bill Belichick didn't allow for it. Yep.

Michael Jordan, very famously. Yep.

You know about that, John Dowd?

Jordan had his moments where he was able to. NBA Live 2003, I think, with Jason Kidd on the COVID He was part of the—

That's because the Wizards weren't that good.

Are you familiar with the legend of John Dowd? John Dowd. All right. So you're a little too old. MVP '05. But also you're a little too old for MVP Baseball. MVP Baseball with one of the greatest soundtracks ever. One of the best sports games ever. And probably this missed Dave Dameshek too. And Dominique, baseball, I'm just going to go ahead and assume that's not your jam. Nailed it. Right. But John Doud.

Sega NHL '94 is the number one sports video game.

Wasn't it Brett Hall? Wasn't Brett Hall one of those guys too?

Yeah, I think Brett Hall was one of those players that didn't allow for his likeness to be used, right? I think so. And but John Doud is the greatest video game baseball player ever. And it was just based on Barry Bonds. Just Barry.

And he was a, he was a righty white guy.

Yeah, that's right.

I think he didn't make him black. White guy, righty whitey.

He wore number 99. He was incredible. Wow. Also, MVP Baseball 2005 comes up weekly on the pitch clock.

Wow. I did not know that.

Just John Dowd.

Of course I would make any other player.

Has a fictional character ever been an ambassador? Let's make him ambassador to I don't know, Ethiopia.

I'd love to interview him. So not only did we learn that Dominique was right about that yesterday with Caitlin Clark, but also— so this was weird, help me out here. I brought up yesterday that tweet from Phoenix Mercury where they, it seemed like they were mocking Caitlin Clark being injured.

He was a lefty! Oh! Scratch that.

We don't like him. And then you guys very astutely pointed out that, it seems that that is just a really weird coincidence, because it appears that it's DeWanna Bonner, who is on Phoenix, that they are putting that cartoon tweet about. And OK, that's fine, except Dominique, the Phoenix Mercury, then, amidst all this controversy, they deleted the tweet. Yeah.

I mean, eh, they don't want to be in the middle of the nonsense. Like, I feel like this happens you're, you're better off just getting out. And it's like when someone asks you to apologize, you don't have to really be sorry, just say I'm sorry and get out the way. I assume that that was it. They felt like, um, people were grabbing this and making it into something. They're like, we don't want to deal with it, let's get out of here. I think they generally had the— some good defense, but it's also possible that they were doing the thing that a lot of, um, people do to try to get attention, is walk the thin line to get close to it and understand that some people misunderstand this and some people won't, and hope to get attention from it and realize it's not attention they want.

John Dowd, huh?

It's going to sit with me all weekend that I said he was a righty.

Sit with me too. Yeah, it was bad.

It's almost like he didn't play the game.

It was good delivery.

Oh, so was he not a righty? He was a lefty. He was a lefty. It was a carbon copy of Barry Bonds. But he was white. I was going to say, was he at least white?

Yeah, he's definitely white and not Barry Bonds. Yeah, didn't have the stance. No, deep voice. But they played—

but he played like him. He hit like him. Yeah, he was incredible.

Yeah, he's like 99 all the rates.

He had basically Mike Trout's stance. From the left-handed side, like just super still, but was Barry Bonds. Like, he was spectacular. He was a Chico because Barry Bonds is a Chico.

More Chico than Bo Jackson, Super Tecmo Bowl. Come on.

You get that reference? I do.

I'm sure I'm young. Vic. Vic was the big— Vic was a big one in Madden.

Yeah. Madden 04. Vic was— no, Mario Lemieux. Really?

Lemieux in NHL 93 and 94. Unstoppable. Just about literally unstoppable. You mentioned Mike Trout, and I have to take the reins from Boomer Esiason and be ugly American for a second. I think this— I know it's a hot take sports radio thing and all of that, but it's wacky to suggest that if you could, if there were an alternate universe and you took Christian McCaffrey and Mike Trout and Tyreek Hill and Russell Westbrook and, you know, any number of other high-end— Saquon Barkley, and in the year 2000, instead of them playing football or basketball or otherwise, and you had them focus on soccer, that the US wouldn't be an international soccer power is a— it's a ludicrous argument. Yes, Morocco doesn't just create great athletes, they create great soccer players more so than the US does. It's an illogical argument.

I was trying to make that case to my 14-year-old son a few days ago. He looked at me like I was an idiot.