Transcript of The NBA Finals Matchup Nobody Saw Coming | Alley Oop 188 New

Hey, well, we got snipers and they got snipers in Valhalla.

Somebody like patented Oswald or whatever. Not Patton Oswald, Lee Harvey. Lee Harvey Oswald.

Welcome to the alley-oop, playoff season is upon us. Excuse me, pardon me, championship season is upon us. I am the kid Juju Gotti, joined as always by my sister Trista Crick. How are you doing, sis?

I think you're the kid and I'm the kiddo.

You dig it? Whichever it is, the kids have made it through another season. Almost. They said we wouldn't do it. All the haters out there, this is for you, man. We made it through another season, dog. Neither here nor there. Victor Wembenyama, Jalen Brunson, for it all, man, man, man. Is this the championship that the world wanted?

I think it is. I think one, you've got the Knicks history, the fact that it's taken them so long to get back to this point. I think I was in high school the last time they were in the finals. So that's crazy. I think you're building something. Jalen Brunson is— how would I put this? I think he's the most likable Yeah, Nick, at least of all time, he might even be the most likable player to root for in the NBA. You want to see him succeed. His story, being a second-round pick, playing at Villanova, playing with Luka, getting sort of underpaid, undervalued, going somewhere else that's a bigger brand that's now succeeding more than that other place that wouldn't pay him, wouldn't value him. So like, and that they built this whole team around him. I'm not gonna lie to you, Juju. I love the— I love the Spurs. I love their story. I'm rooting for Cam'ron, but I'm rooting for the Knicks. I'm rooting for the Knicks. I want to see them do it. I think that they're a more fun team. I feel like they've got players that need it more, right? Like, the Spurs are gonna be here for a long-ass time.

We don't know what's gonna happen in the East.

Allegedly, the hamstrings fall off the knees every day.

You know what, and it be Alice's tear. Who knows? We thought that same thing about the OKC Thunder, and now they're talking about trading everybody.

You feel me? Jay Williams, Jaylen Williams, off the bone, off the bone, you dig? AJ Mitchell, you dig? All those injuries, you couldn't have thought that you prepare for them. Even, even if somebody was to tell you last year, bruh, if AJ Mitchell don't be healthy next year, I don't know what they're gonna do. Would have been like, boy, right? So we never know moving forward from season to season. But you just said two words that have disgusted me ever since— well, that was Saturday night— Chet Holmgren, bro. My brother, you gonna have to learn— scratch him, something, do anything, get some of this skin under your nails, punt, do a windmill punch, do anything, bro. This man came into your house ate your food and your vegetables, said, hmm, that's your girlfriend over here. You know what, I have respect, I'm going to leave her alone, because he wanted to. Like, brothers and sisters, what did we just watch? My sister Chet Holmgren, can he ever redeem himself from this ass?

Yeah, I mean, he can redeem himself, but I do believe that there are certain matchups. Yeah, that break the psyche. There's just people that you don't do well around, that you feel insecure around. Whatever it is about them, you're not your best self when they're nearby. And in fact, like, then that becomes the thing that's in your head, right? And you're hoping— you're re-saying the things that you said 4 hours ago. You're like, dang it, I shouldn't have said that, I shouldn't have done that. And it's like, that's kind of Chet Holmgren and Wemby, right? Like, damn, I should have tried to block that. I should have— I should have passed that there. I should have gotten out of the way there. Like, truly, I think that Chet and Wemby rivalry has been spicy since the moment that Wemby got into the league.

Yeah.

And they've had something, something extra energy since then. And for a while, Chet was getting the best of Wemby, remember, in like that first year. And Chet was having these huge performances. And then they asked Wemby, like, when you compare yourself to, you know, Chet Holmgren, who you played against your whole upbringing, he's like, there is no comparison. Yeah, that was the moment I thought, okay, Chet needs to be on high alert. And now he's like emotionally, mentally, spiritually broken by Wemby. I don't know that you can keep him even in the West. I think like an Evan Mobley, like an Evan Mobley for Chet, straight up. Trade might be the way.

I mean, them boys talking about the G-I-A-N-N-I-S, he— I mean, that's a great person to put in that package, you dig? Because Chet is— I'm not gonna say he, right, because I was gonna say he— what his, his stature looks like, he has a stature that you could use.

But it's like, Juju's broken. That pause broke Juju for a second. Do we need to take Quick, breathe, breathe.

Look, he's a tall brother and they can use another tall brother in Milwaukee. But at the same time, girth. See, there we go, here we go. But look, 1 for 2 in a Game 7 though, I'm not sure if I want that on my team. I'm so sorry. I don't care who you are in the NBA right now. If you get breaking news, Chet Holmgren has been traded for player X from your team, how would you react right now? Chet Holmgren has been traded for Tumane Kamara and picks. How you feeling?

I kind of like that for Portland.

Okay, to make it make sense, I just made it off the top of my head. Tumane Kamara and picks. Make it make sense though, like something like that. Do you think Chet will be able to beat this narrative moving forward? Because, bruh, I ain't gonna spend too much time on— I'm pretty sure you can turn on every episode of every show, sports show, they kicking Chet back in right now. So we ain't got to spend too much time doing that. But I guess on the, on the other side is, can he recover from this? Because you see what happened to Ben Simmons. Ben Simmons had that one little gaffe in Atlanta, not shoot the layup, and then for some reason my boy wasn't the same ever again. Now my boy catching largemouth trout on the damn Riviera. So can Chet bounce back from this? Is this a heart situation?

Not loud. Largemouth trout.

I love that.

Um, I think he can recover. Yeah, I think sports psychologist is probably the next move, to be honest.

Okay, here we go.

I like it. What it is that's disturbing you?

Two shots is nuts. There is no excuse for I only took two shots in Game 7. I don't give it. I— me, who you're talking to on this computer, Juju, I would have launched at least 5 threes. I'm putting them up. I'm trying to get my points in on Game 7.

So I think too, yeah, Juju, the team's got his back. I think, you know, like, I think Shea has his back to a degree. Yeah, I think that's his— this boy. I think Mark Dagnall has his back. To agree, right? Like, we can't ignore that he was second in Defensive Player of the Year voting.

I mean, I can't. Look at me. Well, look at me right now. Guess what I'm gonna do? I'm ignoring it.

But smirking.

Exactly. I'm a bit smirky here because Dylan, I got a video SGA. I would see, bro, you say his team got his back, but after SGA said this during the post-game interview when asked, hey, how could you get Chet more involved? This is what my boy had to say. Just what are some things you think you can do to help get Chet a little bit more involved offensively? Yeah. Uh, um, bro, you feel me? What I'm saying is, and all he said was, uh, a couple more times right there, you feel me? He didn't get to no answer. And this is what I'm saying, Chet seeing this, you remember they used to be the locker room where we all interview after the game. We all put— we all here, right? It seems to— it seems to have gone to the Spurs side of the table because also earlier during the, uh, the office, uh, they asked SGA, man, big game from Isaiah Hartstein. He did a great job against Wimby tonight. How good of a job did you think he did? And SGA was like, I mean, I don't think he did that good. What— what happened to the dogs barking?

What happened to we are one? I get if you want to talk to that man about that in the locker room or tell him about himself later on when it's just you and him drinking brews. But bro, we don't— this Cassidy Hubbard you talking to, but like, this, this, this, this showtime lights is on. You can't be saying this type of stuff into a microphone and expect that to breathe life into me. You feel me?

Yeah, I think they need you to say that sometimes when it's the heat of the moment. You just say whatever you feel like. You don't really think about the fact that the lights are on. Yeah, you got a little too comfortable. Yeah, you know, for example, Juju, I interviewed— well, I didn't even interview her, she interviewed me. I went on Stewie's podcast last night.

Hey, come on, hold on. My bad, we back.

Yeah, and I just, you know, I'm at the crib So I'm feeling, feel a little comfy and I'm like, oh, you know, you think that was a foul when you went to the free throw line against the Minnesota Lynx? Because like, it was kind of crazy how Kathy Engelbert came out with that New York dress.

And that doesn't matter. In fact, tune in to see what she said.

Come out tomorrow. And then I said, you know, you're just like not thinking that it's not just one-on-one. You know, there's not other people.

It's not a red light. There's not Riverside on.

I was like, Oh yeah, you've been involved in a couple of controversial free throw scenarios for a championship. That one from Unrivaled was kind of insane as well.

And I'm gonna ask it. Look, my dog gonna ask it. You feel me?

It's just like, yo, isn't this my fucking podcast?

Hey, look, man, you don't want my dog asking the questions, don't invite her because she gonna ask it. You know what, filter type.

That's the, that's the part. So I think that's where— where are we at now with SGA, bringing it back to that? Because I think SGA may have been more of an, uh, underground dormant villain than we thought, right? Like, right. I really think that the moment I realized he was a, like, a true villain was when he posted that about Dylan Brooks, and he posted the, the, like, Dylan, like, Cancún in 4. You know, and it was like everybody want to be villainous until the brooms come out and you find out who the villain is and you're like, oh, he's been like— he had that Photoshop ready. He had all this video footage of him breaking this goddamn ankles. Like, he's really that guy. Yeah. And so as much as he is— as much as he is like a Canadian and like grateful and this underdog story, I don't think he gives a flying fuck about hurting the feelings to win. I think he's a competitor first, and we're seeing some things from SGA that we've never seen before because since he's been in the MVP conversation, they've been winning championship-ish or being a contender from last year, this year, and even 2 years ago they were right there in it.

People thought like, could that be the year? Yeah, I think he's always been this way, but he's a sore loser, right?

Right, because he usually be the man and the reason for the season when they get the victories. But them boys double team, triple team. Hey, oh, somebody else gotta find— he been playing that role. That's why he been having to, you know what I mean, to swing the ball to AJ, and some other people been getting a little shine. I'm not saying he a hater.

He did say though, if there were 4 other me's out there, we would have been down 20 in the first quarter.

Okay, okay, okay. See, I like that. See that? He— see, what you describing to me is what I'm getting is he's finally developing a little bit of that Mamba mentality, you feel me? That when— remember when, uh, Mamba went on, uh, Jimmy Kimmel and he was like, you seen your boys having fun? And he was like, maybe he just coming because he see that OKC isn't as efficient as they was. And so maybe he just locked in a little bit more than we are. But I think, yeah, I think that it's this series and this postseason, although it didn't go their way, this is gonna make SGA an even better player. Because imagine the workouts he's gonna put himself through this summer. Triple teams, quadruple teams, for sure.

And he won't do it like Devin Booker in the, in the group runs where he's like, you're not supposed to double me, you're not supposed to do that, right, bro?

You know what, the little hater in me though, I wanted to tweet this after the game. I wanted to tweet Dylan Brooks with all the ice on, on the sideline. I'm like, damn, SGA gotta leave that goddamn Instagram in the drafts. Yeah, leave that schedule shit in the draft. I know you had some fire shit wrote for Wimby ass. Can't post it. Neither here nor there. But speaking of Wimby, bro, did you see the emotions that my boy Wimby let off upon seeing his dreams halfway come true. Oh my goodness, look at my boy, man. Bro, it just means more, man. A young team, you feel me? I love this stage. Look how his teammates— I love this. What you think about it, Trista? What you think about the raw emotion the Spurs showing?

I swear I swear that's what Wemby does every time one of his teammates makes a free throw. He's so demonstrative. He cares so much about everything. I would not be— I'm not shocked that he had this level of a reaction to go to the Finals in his third year. Like, this is some Bill Walton shit.

Right, right, bruh. This why folks love this man, because, bruh, I mean, no offense to everybody who been getting there, bruh, but everybody be winning and getting the news that they going to the championship. Man, them boys be cool as hell, man. They be looking at the trophy. Oh, oh, okay. Oh, thank God. Hey, I want to thank my mom. Nah, bro, this— you ain't dreamed about this since you was a kid. This is what it looked like. So I love this. This is why my boy gonna keep getting more fans and more fans, because he ain't afraid to show his emotion, bro. This lying for you. It's really a lying thing for you to do, to be over here hiding how you feel. But come on, man, loosen up, bro. Shake that shit off.

I love this man, but at the same time, if you were him, would you have cried like him?

Boy, if I would have— boy, if I would have won that, I would have been boo-hooing, boy. I would have been crying on— with a camera. I'm like, bring the camera on me. Like, just like you see that brother outside of, um, outside of the Garden. My boy say, we've been waiting for this my whole life. I— the Knicks of my life. He say, we used to have Steve Novak. And when all this— and they like, what you got now? He was like, we got Jalen Brunson. My boy start crying. My boy said, we got Jalen Brunson. But it just means a lot, and I love the fact that two squads, fan bases, everybody care so much in this chip, man. Goodness gracious alive.

Who do you want to win? Who do you want to win this, bro?

I predicted the Spurs was going to win. Remember we did our hit on the Levittown Show?

I remember, yeah.

I'm like, the Spurs gonna win. But at the same time, but then after—

and then after it, later you also predicted the Knicks to win. So you—

I think you have— whoa, whoa, you said— oh, snitches get everything. I don't—

um, excuse me. Okay, I thought we were just keeping each other accountable.

We was keeping— we was keeping bleeps on, on tap. Um, I did however say that— you right, so technically I can't be wrong. That's true. But at the same time, nah, bro, I can't I'm not mad at who wins, is, is my, is my situation. Usually I'm mad about somebody winning. Like last year, I wish Halliburton could have played, man, because that was something. You mean this year I'm like, bro, whoever win, this is, this is fire for the league, because boy oh boy, the New York Knickerbockers, right? But another person, the, the juxtaposition of Wimby caring so much to this video that unfortunately we got to play of my brother Don Jones, man. Go get him, yo, man. Don Jones, listen to what my boy had to say after his season was over. We may win a ring here, we may never win a ring here, but I've won in life. I'm out of here. Catch y'all in 19 weeks. No, see, this is what I'm saying, bro. No, just take him down. Let's just take him down, bro. What you think about my brother Don Jones, man?

No, we can't have that. Nope. You may think that, I'm fine with you thinking that, but like, I'm not into this whole I'm so evolved, basketball doesn't mean anything compared to the rest of my life, I'm a multi-millionaire, I got Coco Jones, I'm Don Jones, like, what do you think, blah blah blah.

Like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

First of all, you play in Cleveland. The only reason to stay in Cleveland is to win a ring in Cleveland.

Zagaki.

Zagaki. Um, the whole narrative is that you don't really care that much. Yeah. And so when you say, aka in the vein of like Flau'jae's mom, like, oh, well, we've won in life. No, no, all of you have won in life. Every single person in the NBA has won in life. So in the midst of that, as a comparison, the only way you can win more than them is to win the ring.

Tell them, bro. Come on, man.

So don't be like, we may never win a championship. Are you fucking joking me, bro? They should have cut that. His agent— if I'm his agent, I'm going to call and be like, Don, what are you— what are you thinking?

That's what I was thinking. I'm like, bro, who is the representation? Don't let this see daylight. I don't give a damn. We paying for that footage back to be a better Chetway.

I thought after that Stewie interview, there's a real shot that parts, big parts of that show are gonna get cut out. And you know what? Fair. Totally fair, right, bro? Because she got people that care about her sitting around watching this tape too, being like, yo, we can't have you saying It was insane for Kathy to come out in that jersey, in that New York dress.

Yeah, she can't say it. She can't say it. But look, you know, if it comes out, I'll be posting it.

But like, I'm thinking in the moment, like, this is getting cut, bro.

Coco, pull up on my boy, bro. Get my boy right. Have the Andre Iguodala meeting with my boy. Let him know, bro. Nah, we don't do this.

Parallel park this bitch. No, no, no, no.

Do another one. Cut your phone on, Coco, and come from the kitchen and say, do another one and tell them how much you care, bro. We ain't going for this, bro.

It's folks in a week. I need another video.

Listen, come on, man.

I said that shit months ago, okay? I said that a while ago. I'm now bitter from the loss. I've thought about it. I've ruminated on it. No, fuck that. We're going to do everything that we can to win a championship and bring it back to Cleveland. That's what we're going to do.

Especially when Taylor Swift's sitting front row courtside. Come on, pardon me, with Travis Kelce. Uh-uh, we carry around here. Lastly, before we get up out of here, bro, I got a nomination for the flop of the year, bro. And I only want to do this— I don't want to do this to LA. Young LA, she used to be Atlanta Dream. Roll it, Dylan. It's a stick. Oh no. Hey, well, we got snipers, and they got snipers in Valhalla.

They literally— somebody, somebody like Patton Oswald or whatever— not Patton Oswald, Lee Harvey. Lee Harvey. I was like, what is happening there?

How did Patton Oswald get into this? Yeah, even I was confused.

I was like, how is Patton Oswald in this situation?

What?

I haven't heard a scream, a laugh scream from Juju in so long.

But I was thinking, what Lil Brud did? He's short, I call him Lil Brud. But what Pat Noswell did, bro?

Oh, brought an AK-47 or some sort of silencer rifle on our girl LA.

Hey, look at Pat.

Listen, like, she acted like she was in the convertible, right, bro?

Salute to everybody involved, man. Hey, bro, I needed that one right there, boy. We know Patton, he a big shout out to you, right? Salute, man. And salute to everybody for tuning in once again to the Alley Oop, brother. Uh, special thanks as always to Miss Rebecca and our brother Dylan. Any last words up out of here, on the way up out of here?

New York, go get your championship!

Go New York, go New York, go! Without y'all, who the hell are we? Catch us again this Friday on the DLS Hoops channel as well as the Lebatard Show channel.

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