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This is the Dan Levatar Show with the Stuckatz Podcast.

Greg Cody, can you please give me I need some help from a mentor and someone I admire on the correct way to run a business when the following happens. I walk into the other room, and on the televisions, headlining for the merchandise this show sells, lebbetardaf.com, is a shirt celebrating Zazz and one of his best jokes on our show. And on all the televisions as I come out, I'm surrounded by a T-shirt that says, "Not a cup." 'Not a cuck' and Greg Cody, when I walk out there and the star of that t-shirt says, while looking at the business he's invested his heart into now, 'Who's the market for that?' When the star of 'Not a cuck' looks at that t-shirt and says, 'Who would buy that?' Do you think that I'm doing advertising wrong?

Um, it's a weird t-shirt. Uh, I don't think Zazz would buy it or wear it, and so therefore I'm trying to figure out who might.

Do you understand the structural business flaw I'm asking about when I'm walking out and the star of the t-shirt of merch meant to use his name, image, and likeness in the modern age to create fandom around his character, as everyone knows identity is currency. Yeah, the Not a Cuck t-shirt. If you're gonna wear that on a college campus, you're gonna be celebrating the Secret Zazz that's not doing broadcaster guy, he's doing not a cuck.

Yeah, I don't even know how many people know what the word cuck means in, in a sexual, romantic.

Do you know? Do you know what it means, given that you didn't know what the cuck command sender was? And this is what's burying— so maybe those people are a market for the not a cuck joke. The people who are— Zazz is getting buried on the internet and you don't understand why. You're sitting in the middle of our show, and because I don't think you know what a cuck is and you don't want to be out—

yeah, I do. You know, I'm a learned man.

You know, do you know what's happening to Zazz on the internet?

I don't know. I, I I'm not on the internet every day. Like, I really—

you go days without being on the internet?

Well, first of all, is it YouTube? Is it Instagram? Like, what is happening where to you? Twitter. Twitter. Okay. We don't call it Twitter anymore, but your point is well taken.

X.

Nothing to we. No, no. I have zero idea what is happening to you related to Cuck on Twitter. I don't know.

Our listeners like sending me pictures of different cuck chairs, almost always in hotel rooms.

Okay. Yeah. What's a cuck chair?

So you don't know what a cuck is?

Yeah, yes I do. What's a chair though?

So put two and two together then. If you know what it is, you know what a cuck is, you know what a chair is, put two and two together.

What do you think it is?

It doesn't matter. I'm gonna investigate this.

Yeah, you should investigate.

But I will say, when we're talking about the market for these shirts, I did recently purchase with my own hard-earned money a shirt with Greg Cody's face on it that says, my wife always handles the wand. So there are people out there who are going to buy these.

Thank you. Where's my residual?

Well, David Sampson says that without Dan, none of us have a face, so we don't get any money from that.

The other question I'm asking though, the rest of you, before we get to AJ Brown and Miles Garrett— I am going to get to that here— is that the way to run a business? Like, just as a curiosity, I don't know whether I, I'm speaking out of line here. You are now full-time, like you are somebody who's who's got a percentage of Metal Ark Media. Zaslow is officially— I don't know, yes, let's celebrate this. I don't know whether there's a company announcement of some sort. Look, there's lukewarm interest.

Thanks, Tony.

I thought you were always full-time.

You get the Pulitzer now too?

I can claim it now.

Yes, he works for a Pulitzer Prize winner. All right, thanks, Roy. Wait a minute, while he was here, he worked for a Pulitzer Prize-winning media company.

So everyone but me and Greg, then.

Greg is not full-time.

No, nor do I own a share of the company.

Do you want to be full-time? You could be.

Really?

Yes, of course. I've been asking you to retire for years.

Yeah. What's in it for me?

It's not really retiring.

That's true. That would not be retiring to go from one full-time job.

Oh, I just don't know how it ends for Greg Cody at the Miami Herald. I don't know. I don't know how that ends.

Be careful, Greg. It's not what you think. You're going to be working construction.

I could do that. I need to make this clear before this gets back to the family that I'm sitting here saying I'm running a construction company. To be clear, because we've already said too much here, her father was the leader of a construction company.

And now you are.

Now you own and run the construction company. Inheritance.

The estate—

Sick inheritance.

The estate is now responsible for a construction company. That does not mean I'm running construction.

People must look at you sideways. He passed away and all of a sudden you're in charge.

You guys have me, you guys have me. No, but what you guys are doing is all of a sudden at night I'm walking in Dickie's work boots and a miner's hat and I'm walking across a dusty trail with a clipboard saying, Mario, arreleto, ¿qué están haciendo aquí?

You nailed it. That's exactly what I think you're doing. By the way, I need some closets set up. Do you have a guy? Can you come and do it?

I don't know. I love how you think that construction workers wear miner's helmets.

I— the reason I made it a miner's helmet is because a construction helmet during the day doesn't have a light. These are the things you learn when you're a master of the construction business. But at night it needs a light on top, so I was speaking to the masses who don't know construction the way that I have learned construction over the last—

when you tour a site, your hands are just in your pockets and you're just like— do you give it like a little knock on a wall?

Well, is this supposed to be here?

Are we finishing this?

That looks good.

Are you hands-on? Are you like driving the dump truck, you know, driving the cement mixer? How does that work?

I just— I don't want it getting back to the people who run this construction company that I've declared myself boss of this construction company.

No, that's Greg's job now. Congratulations.

You don't want it getting back to your employees?

No, they're not my employees. They're the estate's employees, and the estate was left in our care without us knowing what to do anyway. So you I am not running a construction company. There are very capable people doing that. I just have to watch them.

I'm the foreman.

Check under those floorboards.

Maybe there will be beetles there. But don't worry, they're a little bit litigious. That's a good hack.

You know what, thank you for bringing the puppets in. I want to get to AJ Brown and Miles Garrett, but the puppets have been a failure, and we rushed the puppets to market just to beat Rich Paul and Max Kellerman to market, so You can't rush things to market. That's how you end up with holes in your floorboards and beetles running through them, and they're very litigious.

All right, let's keep developing it, preferably off mic.

I don't— Rich Paul is in the news.

This podcast, Dan, like, have you seen the recent— at least clips? Because I don't know anyone's like, "Oh yeah, watch it. Let's go listen to this Rich Paul podcast." Who was that guy? It was a guy who listens to the Rich Paul podcast.

Is that—

I'm workshopping.

No, but why— Rich Paul, Max Kellerman, this is a— is this a— this is a Ringer podcast, this is on Netflix, this is Max Kellerman's— what do you mean? Why are you mocking this show? This is a big show.

Because that's what I do. When there's things I don't like, I mock it. That's what I do.

And what don't you like about it?

Well, because it appears that this Rich Paul podcast, it's just a podcast that he uses to prop up his friend. That's the whole— that's the whole show. It's him just giving examples of how LeBron is better than Michael Jordan. That's every clip I see.

It's an infomercial for, uh, for LeBron James' marketing arm.

Yeah, it's just like we have to remind everybody that LeBron is the greatest ever, and specifically that he's greater than Michael Jordan. Like, like for instance, okay, let me play a clip for you here, Dan. So He's making a comparison here to how— what happened to Chet Holmgren in Game 7, what Wembenyama did to Chet Holmgren in Game 7. He then finds a way to compare that to what LeBron did to Steph Curry back in the 2016 Finals. Now, I've never heard that comparison before, but apparently what Wembenyama did to Chet Holmgren is very similar to what LeBron did to Steph Curry.

Can we have that clip? I always looked at LeBron to be more of what I would say was the people's champ in terms of, you know, like, like, like Muhammad Ali was. Yeah. Even when he lost, I felt like people really embraced him.

He also did not shy away from the issues of his day.

Yeah.

And so I was always impressed by that. Controversial issue would come up, social, political issue. And I thought that there were one or two missteps I wasn't crazy about, but, but related to Daryl Morey in China, I didn't love that, but I understood he has a lot of business over there and, and, and so did a lot of people.

Okay, so you have to excuse me, that clip there though was him comparing LeBron to Muhammad Ali. And at least upon first hearing it, like, I don't know, like, do you feel like LeBron and Muhammad Ali are very similar? Like, Muhammad Ali was giving up parts of his life for the things that he believed in. Like, he gave up the heavyweight championship to stand on what he believed was his morals. And like, do we feel like that's LeBron?

No, I don't compare them at all, and that certainly flatters LeBron. But why would you be surprised that a podcast with LeBron's agent—

well, you're right—

would be pro-LeBron?

Well, no, no, not pro-LeBron. It's all— it's consistently using it as an opportunity to prove to everybody how LeBron is the best, or LeBron is better than Michael Jordan. Let me give you the clip here that I was trying to set up where he makes the comparison. He— LeBron apparently did to Steph Curry what Wemba Nyama did to Chet Holmgren.

What Wemby did to Chet in a way is what LeBron did to Steph in that, in that game.

Well, I don't know about that, Max.

It's a— it was an emphatic— it's— I like when he— when did he scream on him? In Game 6, right? Where he— where he blocked the shot. He blocked the shot and screamed on him. And Steph kind of like had his head hung, right? There was something in that moment where it was like, yo, you gotta resp— you can't let someone—

I think, I just think we—

I mean, really, like he emasculated Steph Curry the way that we— Steph Curry gave a zero performance the way that Chet Holmgren did a couple of nights ago. Has anyone ever heard that before?

I haven't. But at the same time, Celebrating LeBron James is not just his lane. I mean, in general, but you guys are airing the Step Back series. Celebrating LeBron James is not clear in the property of Rich Paul, right? I mean, it's done. It's done. He's, he's our most celebrated athlete active. You could argue.

I know we'll move on. Okay. Life always does. Sports move very quickly. Wemby will take over the NBA and this is what it will look like. He's here from the future and he's the new guy. Get out of the way. The way LeBron. But it is not ridiculous to say that LeBron James is the modern-day Muhammad Ali, which just means famous at this time, this time of 20 years dominated, most powerful American athlete, got into very little trouble. And while he did not take up the social causes perhaps the way that you would have liked him to, in the modern day we've talked about one person for 20 years the same way we did with Ali. That's That's the unusual part. In the modern day, he has dominated— he's the only thing that comes close to what football is— he has dominated sports conversation in this country for 20 years. And so I'm not even sure second place is particularly close. Steph is not it. For 20 years, everyone's talking about this one athlete in this one sport, and he falls on some meek side of some public issues and political sides and corporatized and bought and places where business conflicts make an appearance.

But LeBron James has been The most, uh, if you say 15 years free agency, money is the thing that makes everything go. Like, for 15 years he's been polarizing at the center of American politics. Maybe not like you wanted him to be. More than Michael, not as much as Ali, but who else?

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Dan Levitard.

This is the quickest it goes. Hey, this is the quickest it goes.

Stugatz.

Everybody, this is the quickest it goes. Yeah. This is the Dan Levitard Show with the Stugatz.

Do you think people, like, liked LeBron more when he was losing? Like, that point was people's champion. Muhammad Ali would lose, you know, people would still gravitate toward him. When LeBron would lose, he gained more and more criticism. Like, there was more people, right? Maybe unfair, you know.

Oh, but I thought that was a reflection of the time he birthed, though. If you're the social media's athlete, you think Ali would have been what he was in this cesspool? Like, in it where everyone's got all their opinions on the internet and people think the internet is real and it's all and it's everything? Like, you think this dystopia Whatever LeBron James has had to traffic in this stupidity of a generation raised on addicted to their devices, gossiping about LeBron every day— Ali didn't hear all that shit. Ali didn't live in that. Ali saw that in some of the streets, in some of the fights, but LeBron was living that war on the internet as— man, we were here when he joined Twitter. Oh, welcome LeBron. Is access all it's cracked up to be? Here's the internet and every single thing you do will be talked about so much that you'll get addicted to the attention, and your agent will team with Max Kellerman because you want to do content companies next because you don't want that attention to go away. Who would? LeBron James isn't going to just give up 20 years of 'I was the most important thing.' You think he's going to just fade into broadcasting?

Like, whatever they're doing next is content. It's in Hollywood. Like, the game for them is the next 20 years. Like, Rich Paul and LeBron created a company, that company that now has Max Kellerman in and around it that represents 90 NBA players and I think 600 athletes. Like, it's a monster company.

My favorite though—

Isn't that how you become Ali of the modern age though? Because now you're going to fight the tech guys?

I mean, when I think of Ali, like, I think more about the social causes and the impact that his words had and his actions had and the morality that he stood on. And like, I don't feel that that's LeBron.

No, it's just a rich modern athlete who stood for player me-first empowerment. But Ali stood for me-first— he was just in an individual sport. He was fighting the country.

I agree with Zazz. Bill Russell was in Ali's company in terms of the athletic stature met by the social justice warrior vibe. LeBron? No. LeBron is the biggest star in sports right now anyway, for a while longer, but not to be compared with Ali, in my opinion.

I will say, like, at the beginning of his career, or if you want to call it the midpoint, when he was with the Heat, LeBron did lead the way on the discussion around Trayvon Martin.

That's true. But what else?

Like, what else? That was a big deal. He put himself out there along with Dwyane Wade in a way. And to Roy's point, yeah, when, when everything was going on with George Floyd and Black Lives Matter, like, he was out in front on a lot of that stuff. Now, it doesn't mean that he stood up for every single cause in every single moment. He, he ultimately is a billionaire, right? You don't become a billionaire by standing up against every single corporate entity. When those things are going on, but he absolutely put himself out there, particularly at that first time where the Big Three was hated. He may have been a star, but to be out in front on something like that happening in his own state is a big deal.

Well, let me ask— let me ask the group of you this, OK? When I ask you, how are you supposed to do it? Yes, of course. Easy Stance Alert: No one will ever be Ali, and no one will be allowed to be either. There is no person who will step into this breach and do it the correct way. Ali didn't know he was doing it the correct way. He was just fighting for the right things, and at the time he was willing to not go kill people in Vietnam because he proved to be right on the side of history during a totally different time. When presented with Trayvon Martin— Trayvon, when you're presented with a controversy, you're the MVP of the league, you came here at 25, you are just now developing your adult voice on how do I attack important things. I'm going to do it by bowing my head in a hoodie so that everybody knows that our kids look like this too. And the Miami Heat absolutely made that a name that echoed with sports used the right way. The time he chose to do it best, he could have fought on China and did not because everybody's in business together now.

But there's no right way to do it. He had the opportunities to do it, and history will show him largely right on many, many things, including making money for LeBron James and his friends and empowering those people and changing the sport, but not necessarily changing the world. Maybe they'll do it with their content, but not necessarily changing the world. But who can do that? Whose responsibility? Like, who could? If not— if I say take LeBron James off the table, who is the modern-day Ali? Who gets to be that person?

Curt Schilling.

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Patriot. Oh, Red Sox, really?

It's good.

Could have played football if you wanted to.

Good arm.

Speaking of football, you can achieve all things through Christ.

Philippians 4:13. I had a takeaway yesterday. There are many things now being said and written about AJ Brown and Miles Garrett. One of them was expected, one of them was not. And I want to talk about the teams and the players in a second because the AJ Brown stuff is interesting and people seem to be be super interested in it when AJ Brown tells Maria Taylor, hey, I had Patriot rugs in my house for the last few years, even when I was with the Eagles. This is my team. It's my team since I was a kid. I was doing what I was supposed to be doing with the Eagles, but this is it. A 28-year-old is now going to be with the Patriots, uh, hell-bent on being their number one receiver in a way that's better than Stefon Diggs was, and is in being entrusted with the future of Drake Maye when the Eagles are just telling you, yeah, you can't trust your future with right? Like, whatever it is the divisions were, he's saying that people just grow apart. He's telling Maria Taylor about, uh, Jalen Hurts, nothing happened, people just grow apart. Like, that there was nothing there worth reporting.

Uh, but they were at the center of a champion and a weird style of play, if we're really being honest, where they were just mauling you for 2 years, their cement mixers running down the field, and Jalen Hurts going to play conservative ball with a number 1 receiver who's like, hey, I'm good for 150 whoever's throwing the football. And so like, that division is like the their vision of where sports was. They won a championship because they were trusting Lane Johnson and not trusting their quarterback. And when they needed AJ Brown, they said, yeah, we'll trust him. So many people are talking about this and putting this story ahead of the Miles Garrett story as, uh, as a move. And the way it was covered just really did sort of mystify me because I'm looking at Miles Garrett changing teams, and when I say two-time Defensive Player of the Year, that's an unprecedented football player. Like, that person being traded to anyone Is the story of football. There's never been anyone like him, ex— except anybody? Reggie White? Like, is that the— that's the only comp I got. Lawrence Taylor? Like, whatever. What— what was just traded is best in the league 2 years in a row, no question.

Not just best at sacks, best defensive player. And we're talking about the drama around A.J. Brown, who has never once been the number 1 player at his position, never mind number 1 player on offense. And it was just mystifying to me when the Rams are clearly a piece away and wherever it is that the Eagles and the Patriots were, the Rams, wherever it is you thought last year the Eagles and the Patriots were, the Rams are closer. Like the Rams are more legitimately ready to take over the next 2 years because of who they've got in charge, the moves they're making, the specifics of no, we're playing for right now this year because I don't know what my quarterback is going to look like after the year. The way the Rams are going all in, I thought that story overshadowed the AJ Brown story by skyscrapers.

It should. The Miles Garrett trade is legitimately one of the biggest trades in the history of the league. And sports. Like, without a doubt, it's one of the biggest trades in the history of the NFL. I stopped to say in sports because in that sport, in the NFL, just so many players. Like, it's hard to trade for one guy.

No, the reason I just say it is because Miles Garrett, in terms of all-time greats across sports, whether— I'm not talking about fame or legendary status, The best there is don't get traded.

Yeah, yeah, it's without question one of the biggest trades of all time, and I think that—

I don't know why Roy's laughing. I don't know why Roy is laughing at—

You having lunch with the boys? Fixing up that skyscraper later?

Nice hat, asshole. No, I'm just kidding. Got you there. That's a Greg Cody first down.

Hi. That joke has to be so good to interrupt you in the middle of your work.

It's a good joke. It's, it's a very good visual joke.

Jeremy's still, uh, wandering around with that puppet, doesn't know what to do with it. Uh, we spent money on those puppets and we wanted to go first to air because Max Kellerman had a puppet when I was having dinner with him. He said they had a puppet.

We are not going to the puppet right now. We are still talking about the biggest trade arguably in sports history. Enough with the puppets, alright?

I'm glad you mentioned Miles Garrett. He's gonna be an LA Ram, Dan. Did you hear that?

It's gonna be an all-LA Super Bowl.

That's right, Dano, like 1980 Lake Placid.

And he's always willing to put his hard hat on and compete just like me in construction.

Wait, where'd that go? My puppet doesn't look like me.

I think there's a reason why the discourse was what it was. That's because Adam Schefter has been working on this AJ Brown thing for a very long time. He primed everybody before the draft that this wasn't going to happen. And then yesterday, we are going to have this trade complete inside of 24 hours. ESPN had mobilized. They were ready for this day. Adam did a lot of reporting on it that was going to be wall-to-wall coverage. And then the Miles Garrett thing shocked everybody because there wasn't a rumor about it. No one had had any whispers or smoke. And it came out as that AJ Brown thing was already developing. And the internet has already been having fun with AJ Brown and Jalen Hurts, a possible schism between the two. And that was a meatier story. And then the Miles Garrett thing just like came and shocked everybody.

I thought about the AJ Brown story getting more attention. Uh, Mike's right to an extent. I think it also— I was thinking it's because there was a salacious, gossipy aspect to the AJ Brown story between the coach and between a reporter. Dan Lebatard.

Baker Mayfield tearing up Tampa Bay, 38 for 45.

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Well, Mike just brought up something that I didn't notice Yesterday, and I, I was thinking a couple of things here when all of this happened because the coverage was a bit confusing to me, right? When Miles Garrett gets traded, anytime in my lifetime, whatever that is, okay, network news and all the sports places shout from the mountaintops for days, you're not going to believe who just got traded where, this is a shocker. And it had on it, that story had 3 names on it when I was reading the byline. It said Sources— the Garrett story falling out of the sky. Sources told Ian Rapoport and Adam Schefter, and there was another name on that story, and it made me confused as to whether the day's coverage was planned and everyone knew it was AJ Brown day and the machine was moved by where'd this come from, how'd this happen. And I'm, I'm just asking you, in all the parts of this story, when I do say no, it's one of the biggest trades in sports history because not just this guy traded for But what the Rams are doing— they were playaway last year, and they're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, whatever your contract is, come on over here.

Yeah, we got a good pass rusher, but he's not as good as you. I thought they were going to put them together. I thought it was gonna be Verce and Garrett, and I'm like, holy shit, what are they doing there? They've got all the corners, they've got all the pass rushers. They're gonna club everybody this year if they don't get hurt.

We were laughing because the lower third said on First Take, are the Rams now Super Bowl favorites? And they had the odds, the market pricing according to the DraftKings Sports app. And I'm like, well, when you check that app yesterday, they were already the favorite.

So it's, are they still the favorites?

They're more the favorite.

Does fire scared hurt their chances of winning the Super Bowl?

Bigger favorites.

I could really use to have Puka's hands in my construction business. I don't know, I'm working on it. I'm telling you though that when Zazz says this, uh, the— what should have mushroom clouded into the sky yesterday. Look, we're all understanding now that there's, uh, orchestration and what the information business is, right? Football was meant to dominate yesterday with whatever was happening with AJ Brown that Adam Schefter can tell you from however it is he gets his information Hey, this is gonna happen probably in the next 24 hours. And then what shoots through the planning is one of the biggest trades I've ever seen that isn't then covered like one of the biggest trades I've ever seen because nobody's ready for it. And what I'm telling you is when Miles Garrett is traded, that alone is enough to make it one of the biggest trades in the history of sports, not just football. Just that guy traded, best in the league 2 years in a row. It's really hard to do. He's not best at one position. He's best at all things defense. Just got traded to the team that while we've been talking about is Sam Darnold in charge or whatever, wants this year more than everyone else.

Drake Maye is here to help AJ Brown, or AJ Brown is here to help Drake Maye for the next 3 or 4 years. This is coming to help Matthew Stafford right now. This is one last call on our quarterback can be the MVP for one more year. I hope Puka gets out of rehab okay. And I hope our physical injuries can withstand because the San Francisco 49ers are going to get taken out by the power plant again.

It's a franchise that is making a habit of putting all their chips in for one last Matthew Stafford run. And we've heard that for 4 seasons running when they get guys like Jalen Ramsey, right? They, they did the all-in aggressive move. Let's trade our picks for corner help and they end up with Miles Garrett. And it caught everybody by surprise. To the point that I haven't seen a think piece or really any sort of information on how the contract that was reported to be impossible to move ended up on the team that doesn't have any cap room or assets to get something like this done. And yet we are always saying that the NFL salary cap is a myth when the LA Rams make a move like this. They are making a habit of it.

Mike, I'm glad you bring it up. So some people have done some math on it. Effectively, the Rams are taking on the remaining 5 years and $178 million on Garrett's contract, but it's essentially a 3-year deal worth about $99 million that can get— uh, the Rams can get out— get after it after the '28 season. A lot of stuttering there, my bad.

Okay, and no, no information that's useful to me because I didn't understand what you were saying.

Okay, so 5 years for $178 is essentially a 3 for $98. They can get out of it after the '28 season.

The larger point I would say here, because I don't— you can give me math explained well or explained poorly.

I gave you both. But what I will give you is the cap hits for the Rams. So next year they're only paying him $8 million. That's why they're able to do it.

But no, like, you don't need to explain anything to me about the salary cap for me to tell you, hey world, what the Rams just announced is that they're more all in on Stafford and McVay this year than anyone's all in been on all in this year in football. Not Mahomes, not the Patriots. What are you laughing at, Roy? Are you laughing at the puppet or how poorly Tony said all of that?

This has been an excellent show, man. Today has been fabulous.

That's not what I was asking.

Also, leave me out of this.

The salary cap, I know the permutations actually matter and are important, but Greg, you're our football expert. Am I dabbling in hyperbole Am I right when I say this is one of the biggest trades you will ever see in sports?

It's one of the biggest and it's certainly the biggest of this offseason, 100%. And one of the reasons I love it, it's a much bigger trade than AJ Brown on the face of it, but also because of the surprise element. Everybody's known for months that AJ Brown was going to be traded. Everybody's known for months that the Patriots were the landing spot. This— how refreshing is it in the age of insider scoops to actually have a blockbuster trade. It just—

it just makes me think that we've been sleeping on McVay here for a few years because he's just getting close, as if he didn't win the entire sport before Goff neutered him. Like, this guy was ahead of the entirety of the curve. This ostensibly— yes, Miles Garrett is available to everyone, right? Yeah.

Yes. And it's the team that always finds a way. To add the final piece. They must have a half dozen final pieces on this team.

Well, no, this is what you were saying before. I know you guys were making fun of me all of last football season about the fact that I was saying, Jesus, the Rams are great. Like, I know they're great. And then, you know, whatever, punt returns, weird fumbles, Seattle beats them, and, you know, they lose. They lose for whatever the reasons are. One of them pass rush, actually, because their corners got exposed because Verce and others— well, that's going to be solved. Like, one of the problems they had at the end of the season is the defense couldn't get off of the field. And so they just got the best there is. Like, it's not maybe somebody else is. No, they just got the best there is. Dallas, Green Bay, whatever you think you're doing with Micah Parsons or did financially, the Rams just got the best there is. And when I say Lawrence Taylor, and Reggie White. It's purposeful. Do not lose sight of the mastery of what's happening in these games at the moment. When you talk about LeBron James or Ohtani, Miles Garrett, the best there is all time at getting at the quarterback.

Will you look at how fast they're getting rid of the football? He'll still wreck you like there's never been anything like this in the league. And now the Rams have it.

Yeah, I cannot believe that Miles Garrett leaves Cleveland and they only get one first-round draft pick for him. And I understand Burch is a fine player and I understand— he's good— got a second and a third, but one first-round draft pick for the reigning Defensive Player of the Year, perhaps the greatest defensive player of this generation. And the only argument that you would have against that is probably Aaron Donald. Aaron Donald, who is now threatening everybody with workout videos.

Maybe check him out.

I don't like this.

They want to test him.

I am so scared for Carson Beck.

Can we see some of those, please? Please tell me we have Aaron Donald working out videos because this Aaron Donald is the only thing in this generation that comes close. And I think even Aaron Donald— do I have this wrong? Would there be more respect in doing it from the middle? I think Aaron Donald might even say Miles Garrett is the best of our generation.

Yeah, he looks at that guy and is like, oh, that dude is good. Maybe not though. Maybe not.

Dunn was doing it from the middle of the field and putting up sack totals that were in double digits. Like, I don't— I just can't believe that the Rams got him. Like, what do I have to do to make a football story bigger? Like, what to make— to give you surprise, give you the Rams, give you— how much more stardom? I gotta make it a quarterback?

Yeah, that's a great question, Dan. Let's put it to our audience.

Who's the better defensive player?

Aaron Donald or Miles Garrett?

Greg?

Miles Garrett.

Josh? I think Aaron Donald.

Audience? I'm listening. That one's razor thin. That's how we started our social media campaign with ESPN. Aaron Donald is a beast. That was my first, uh, that was my first foray into this. I think they're both great in their own way. Hey, Aaron Donald is special in what he does.

So is Miles Garrett.

I'm Elon Musk. Oh wait, wrong bit. Thank you, Billy. Don't give him the keys to the angel.

I told you.

I told you not to give him the keys to the puppet.

Well, sorry. There's two puppets.

If you put him in the room with the puppets and the angels, the delicate flower will come out and we will not do well as a show. Happy Pride.

Who is happiest about this trade? I'm going to say Joe Burrow. Yeah, easily.

I just don't think we've properly appreciated even as much as we've covered this sport over the last few years because Myles Garrett's on one of the losers like that. We're watching all-time historic greatness, like you'll never see it again type of stuff. You haven't seen it many times before, but it doesn't matter because it's not in playoff games and because the Browns and the management of this and everything else Miles have been such an epically run dumpster fire that is the opposite of what the Rams are. How was this available to everyone in the league and it was stolen from the worst team by the best team?

This is kind of the same conversation we had with Luka, right? All of a sudden it was like middle of the night, hey, there's a massive trade, one of the biggest trades in sports. How did the Lakers get him? Did they even offer him to anybody else? Like, do we know? Maybe we can have some reporting later on if the Rams were able to just call them and say, hey, would you trade us Miles Garrett? And they said yes. Or maybe there was a couple teams that were trying to vie for this in the background. Like, it just Seems like so.

The Rams got him and there's no information that anybody else was in on it and it's a blockbuster because nobody knew he was going to be traded. Somebody please explain to me how this happened.

I mean, I know we're saying how the salary cap is not real in the NFL, but if we're being realistic, there's probably only a few teams that had the cap space to be able to acquire him. Now it's not even like the Rams had the cap space because they also sent out—

How would the Rams have the cap space? They're giving Stafford $55 million over here. But how did— somebody explain it to me.

I did, poorly.

No, you couldn't have done it worse. Like, I was more confused after you spoke.

Okay, so you gave me numbers and there was $8 million, then it's $16 million next year, and then it's another $16 million after that.

Okay, I'm, I'm— Greg, I don't know if this is moving too fast for you. Please give me some football expertise on what the hell just happened here. How, more quietly than AJ Brown, did the best of the football teams that we've had the last 10 years, led by the smartest of guys,— a team that is all in because they've already done this with corners and they're playing for next year only with Matt Stafford. We all kind of know the MVP of the league is probably done after this, I'm assuming.

The, the mystery here isn't how they finagle the salary cap to make this work. Obviously they can, and part of it is that he's getting very little amount of money next year. The mystery here is how can there not have been at least one and probably multiple other teams Browns offering Cleveland more than they got salary cap.

Well, not, not just that, that I guess you could theorize that the Browns wanted to do right by Myles Garrett and send him to a team that is well positioned to win a championship.

Oh, but Mike, this does feel like Luka to me. Like, this is the comp. The comp is Luka. I'm watching this trade happen and I'm like, The Browns, while giving Deshaun Watson all the guaranteed money, have so ruined their last 10 years of doing the opposite of what the Rams are doing that they not only wasted the Miles Garrett years— because God help me, those defenses were only good because he was on them. They had— they didn't have— they didn't have great players.

They had other good pieces. They had good pieces on that secondary too.

Miles Garrett, the reason the Browns The reason the Browns were as good as they were, even though they've been dreadful, is because everyone knows every week you got to stop Myles Garrett. Every precision you have known to man making the ball come out in 2.3 seconds knows that Myles Garrett can't wreck your defense, your offense. And he still did it because it was Myles Garrett's defense. Like when I'm talking about the responsibilities of an all-time great, this guy has made this a professional franchise by himself. Like, I feel pretty comfortable saying that no matter what 7 other good players the Browns had while throwing to shirtless David Njoku. Like, I got it.

Don't forget what he did to Mason Rudolph.

I got it.

The Browns—

what happened there?

The Browns might have had 6 good players.

For the Steelers, but it was the Patriots. Man, that is confusing.

See?