Transcript of Stu Holden Shares Reasons For USA Soccer Optimism | Hour 2 New

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Stu Holden is going to join us here in a little bit. U.S. men's national team midfielder from a while ago. He's the Fox Sports soccer coverage match analyst. And we're about 10 days from the World Cup. Snuck up on us a little bit. It seems like just a few days ago people were saying we're 100 days from the World Cup. We'll get to some of that in a second, but Zazz has been bothering me, I'm gonna say for 4 days, wanting to show me a video of someone getting ticketed. So I don't know what this video is.

So good, Dan, it's so good.

Well, what is it?

So this took place in Palm Beach County a few months ago. A few months ago this took place, and it's just coming to light now because the woman who received the ticket was able to release the body cam footage because it was finally gonna go to court. She was fighting this ticket, okay? And just, you know what, I'm gonna let it play out for you here, uh, and maybe we can, uh, you know, talk over it for the audio.

Yeah, we can do that. But is this a visual joke? Is— will we be able to tell from the audio whatever it is that's interesting or good about this video?

That's, that's why we will, we will speak with it, okay, for the audio audience. Let's hit it. So we have the police officer walking up to the car.

Hey, good morning, I'm Deputy Gonzalez with the Bumpers County Sheriff's Office. This is why you're being pulled over in the city of of course, today we're doing an operation for distracted driving, and you drove past me holding the phone with your right hand, manipulating that phone. I mean, I saw you—

obviously not. Oh my God.

Oh, you want to just call this a day?

I don't want to call a day. You had a hand up manipulating—

she doesn't have a hand.

I thought I saw you with your right hand. You had a hand up, the right hand. I saw you manipulate with the right hand. Perhaps not, right?

She shows the no hand again.

She has a nub.

I know what I just said. I'm asking you now— did you or not have your phone on your hand? You didn't have it on here? Hand to God!

That is an unbelievable video that is comedically perfect for those of you who are only on audio. She was showing him that she has half an arm. She does not have a hand, and if she went to court with this, she would not be able to raise her right hand and give only the truth in front of the Bible because she doesn't have a right hand.

And you would think the cop could come up and be like, I saw you holding your phone. But no, he's very specific. He said, I saw you holding your phone with your right hand. And she, like she's done this before, comedically lifts up the right arm to be like, you idiot.

She doesn't say I don't have a right hand. She shows him. But he's just like us, so stubborn about admitting that he's wrong that he's like, I saw it. You're gonna deny that you had a phone in that hand? And she's not saying Oh my God, I don't have a hand. I don't have a hand.

She goes, we're good here then, right? Like right away, she's like, we're good.

You want to just call this a day?

All right, so just— I want to play this again. Let's run it back for the audio audience and just have the knowledge that this woman is smiling and looking at the police officer. And when she rebuts him, what she does is she holds up half a right arm, which is the only amount of arm that she has on the right side of her body.

Hello, ma'am. Hi. Hey, good morning. I'm De Sal with the Bumpers County Sheriff's Office. This is why you're being pulled over. The city of Lakewood today, we're doing an operation for distracted driving, and you drove past me holding the phone with your right hand, manipulating that phone. Yes, sir. I mean, I saw you.

Obviously not.

So you want to just call this a day, or—

I don't want to call a day. You had a hand up manipulating.

You said my right hand.

Well, I thought I told you right hand. You had a hand up the right hand. I saw you manipulate with the Right hand? Perhaps not, right?

So you're saying that you saw me?

I know what I just said. I know what I just said. I'm asking you now, did you, did you or not have your phone in your hand? You did not have your phone in your hand? Hand to God, you didn't have your phone in your hand?

Hand to God.

The other hand to God, you didn't have your phone in your hand?

Hand to God.

Cool. You have your driver's license?

Cool.

Tell the guestbookers to try to get her, please. I'd like to talk to her because she thrust her nub at him aggressively because twice he should have seen, like, look, I'm showing you, but then if she had a whole hand, that gesture might have come with a middle finger.

Right hand would have had a middle finger gesture.

No, because she thrusts.

She's done it before, dude. She knows how to comedically make someone feel like shit about her one arm.

She's done what before? Most people notice that she doesn't have a right hand and probably aren't going to point out that she doesn't have a right hand.

You called it a nub. We went through this before. What do we call it? It's a residual limb. Residual limb. We covered this in HR.

I will not call it a residual limb.

Crazy.

Zaz. Hargh. All right. You know what? I'm going to watch this with Stu Holden. I'm going to— I'm just going to get his reaction to this video because I— have you seen this, Stu? Did you just see it?

I have seen it. I have seen it multiple times. It is— it's enthralling content.

She's still got the ticket.

That's wrong. That's so wrong.

But last week, because this video now went viral, the officer decided to drop the case.

That is such a stubborn police officer. I'm embarrassed on behalf of Hispanics for how stubbornly Hispanic a male that police officer was.

When I heard the accent, I was like, ay.

Hey, he like doubled down too. He didn't just instantly, you know, be like, no, you know, you're right. He went back and he's like, but I saw you with the right hand. She's like, no, physically I could not.

No.

And then he says, hand to God, other hand. So tell me what's going to happen. Thank you, Stu, for joining us. What is going to happen with the United States soccer team? Does that win over Senegal mean anything to you?

Oh man, you guys really set me up with a heck of a transition there. We're going from that straight into the US national team. Awesome. No, look, the US team last night, we're back on track.

All right.

A good win against a top 15 world opponent, Senegal, the African champions. I think it's kind of the big question about this team in the United States is not, you know, not do we have talent, we have some talented players, we have some players playing at the biggest clubs we've ever had before, but like, can we beat big teams? That's how you win a World Cup. Only 8 nations have ever won the World Cup. We're Americans, we're exceptionalists. We think we're the best at everything. We're not the best in the world at men's soccer yet. We're on the way up. And I think last night, I feel a lot better this morning about our chances and getting out of the group and doing something that this country has never done before, which is, you know, getting past the quarterfinal.

That's the best case, correct? The best case scenario is just getting out of the round, right?

Yeah. Dan, you make a great point. I feel like it's hard to contextualize that sometimes with people and it's like, wait, so we're like just happy getting to the quarterfinal or a semifinal? Like, that's a good thing. It is a good thing. Like, the World Cup has been going since 1930. Only 8 nations have ever won a World Cup. So like you're talking about the very, very best of the best. And it's an elite club. It's, it's Germany's, Argentina's, Spain. England's won it once back in '66. So like these, this is a tournament that I think for us, it's about trying to do something we've never done before. We've only ever won one knockout game in our history. We have an easy group this year. I wouldn't say easy. Okay. It's a favorable group. And home soil, home cooking is something we haven't had since '94 World Cup.. And I think with that, I, I've been watching the scenes in New York with the Knicks being back in the finals for the first time since the '90s. You're seeing what that city's like, people celebrating on the streets. If the US men start to pick up a, a little bit of momentum, this country's gonna go nuts.

I'm, I'm telling you, people are gonna be out on the streets. They're gonna be at watch parties at bars. They're gonna be filling up restaurants like this. Something special could happen, but yet this team needs to win.

Fox has the World Cup this year. He's the lead match analyst. Since I've been covering the World Cup and U.S. soccer, we always have a good goalkeeper, a Premier League goalkeeper. How do we not have a goalkeeper? Like, how do we not know who the goalkeeper is going to be?

Yeah, this is, this is something I don't know. We need an entire podcast devoted to this. Your audience might get a little bit bored after our first, like, 5th, 5th, 5th minute on. Like, we've always been known as like, we've had good goalkeepers. We weren't, you know, we've improved so much on the outfield aspect, but yet it's always been Tim Howard's, Brad Friedel's, Casey Keller's, guys that have gone and played at the biggest clubs. And I always used to think we have so many youth sports that involve our hands, right? Football, basketball, baseball. And then we would peel off some of those athletes that would come and play soccer and just got thrown in goal because we had giant guys that were good with their hands. I think what you're seeing now is almost a transition of kids who are playing soccer and choosing soccer from a young age and maybe not specializing in soccer. And we've lost that elite goalkeeper. We just don't have it. Like even yesterday in the game, Mauricio Pochettino, he played two different goalkeepers. We're 10 days from the start of the World Cup. We played two different goalkeepers. I think he might even play a third goalkeeper in the game against Germany coming up, which is their send-off, which is all to say, even at this point, he still does not know who his best goalkeeper is.

That's a problem in soccer. You want to look behind you and you want to have the confidence and a feeling in a keeper that can make the big save. That, that commands the box, that, that puts fear into the opponents. And that's something we don't have, and we're not going to have this tournament. So the question is, can one of these guys, whoever he ends up picking, step up and deliver? Because goalkeeper is not a position you change often throughout tournaments like that. If you pick a guy, that's your guy. And I don't even know right now, I couldn't even tell you who he's going to pick. I would have picked Matt Freese, and now he's played Matt Turner, and then this kid who made his debut yesterday Chris Brady from the Chicago Fire. So it's anybody's guess who's going to start on day one.

Still, compared to when North America was awarded this year's World Cup, where are we as a team compared to where we thought we were going to be?

Yeah. So we were awarded the World Cup 8 years ago back in Russia, and that was a World Cup that we did not qualify for for the first time in 30-plus years. That was a— that was a huge moment in this country, a bit of a wake-up call of Wow, we think we're doing so great and we've made so many strides and then boom, we didn't qualify for the World Cup. 2022, we took the second youngest team at the tournament and a lot of the talk, which I didn't like at the time, was about this, you know, Golden Generation, which was dubbed because we wanted to believe in something. So we had this group of kids and it was like, okay, this World Cup is the setup for 2026, but it's all about this tournament. This, this has been a, a huge moment in soccer circles in this country for years because we feel like this is a moment that soccer can take the next step in this country. Like, I just want to take you quickly back to '94. We didn't have a men's professional league. We didn't have a women's professional league. Now you— we've got multiple men's professional leagues, multiple women's professional leagues, valuations touching $1 billion on the men's side.

Women's professional soccer is now $200 million plus if you want to get into the league. But yet I still think the expectations are similar for this team. And that's, that's also a little bit of a problem. We've got to start developing elite players with the rest of the world.

So we have a better team.

And to answer To your question, based on where I thought we might be 8 years ago, I thought this group of players from 4 years ago would have taken another step and I would have been saying pretty confidently, I think we can get to a quarterfinal. But yet I'm still thinking, I don't know, is Weston McKennie and Pulisic and Balogun, Chris Richards, are they that much better? They're more mature. They've played more games, but are they better players? We're going to find out this summer. I think the answer is yes. But it's up to them to deliver in these types of moments. And we've got a coach that I think can, can get us over that line.

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Pulisic came in riding pretty poor form for a club. He had a goal yesterday, his first goal since Shaboozy had the number one song in America. He had the assist. He, he looked good yesterday. What are you expecting from Christian Pulisic in this World Cup?

Yeah, I love that. Look, he, he, um, this is the, this is one of the unique things about soccer is you play for your club and then you play for your country, but you don't play as often for your country. But when you play for your country, it's the biggest and, and the most important thing you can do. Look, representing my national team in a World Cup and standing there with my hand over my heart and the national anthems playing was the greatest honor I've had in my life. And I think about that. And this group of players does still— you have a unique ability that when you put that red, white, and blue on— Pulisic was coming in in a career all-time drought, hadn't had a goal this entire calendar year. His last goal was December. He puts on the red, white, and blue. They played against Senegal. He's back with his boys. And he was like a man on fire from the first minute of that game. He delivered an assist in the 6th, scores a goal in the 20th, 23rd minute. And like, he looked back. I don't know if you saw his celebration.

The guy goes running to the corner flag. He's, he's air, air fisting, punching. Like, he looked like he needed that release. So I tell you what, that goal was more important for anything than, than him getting that goal, because this happened ahead of 2022. He was in a bad drought for his club, and then he put on the national team and he was like ready to go. So that gives me a better feeling about Pulisic. I wasn't sure what we were going to get from him this summer.

I'm surprised to hear you say that a calendar year is not a drought. Stu, like a calendar year without a goal. No goals since December. Like, that's—

that was a big deal. Yeah, Dan, he was playing for— he was one of the best players in the league, and he had some stuff allegedly going on off the field, and we know how that can affect you on the field at times. But man, like, the pressure, the weight of expectation that he was feeling on a continual basis— I was worried about this guy. He's so up and down. But like, to see him get that one and almost bust the can out and, and, and come out and show that and remind U.S. fans, hold on a minute, I'm gonna be the man this summer. That, that's, that's a better, better sign. But yeah, you're right, that's, that's not just, oh, he hasn't scored in 5 games. That's, that's— we're talking about 6 and a half months of not scoring a goal.

What is the strongest thing and the weakest thing about the U.S. team?

So I think the strongest thing is that I love Mauricio Pochettino. A lot of headlines, he made— he selected 10 defenders out of 26 guys, and that, and that, that might on, you know, paper look like, wow, we're going to be super defensive team. I think it's also a recognition that, look, we— when we're playing Mexico, Panama, Honduras, Costa Rica, teams on this side of the pond, we can be the aggressor, we can be the protagonist. Against the best in the world, we just can't. And I think we have to level with the fact that the teams that we had in the past of, look, we're going to be hard to play against, we're going to be good defensively, we're going to punch you in the face when we get that chance, and we're going to score that goal. And I I think that was a recognition that that can be the strength of this team, is that grittiness, that fight, that hunger to not give you an inch on the field. If we have that, that's going to be our strength. Our weakness, I think, is going to be the goalkeeping position. I'm still not sure we have a guy that in a game where we're under a lot of pressure that can deliver that big save.

We don't know who the keeper is going to be. We don't. That's us.

That's us.

Exactly. Do a lot of other teams have this problem? Do a lot of other countries have this problem? It's 10 days out. Who's our keeper? No.

No, there's not a single team at the World Cup other than us, I don't think, that has this big of a question over our goalkeeping position, except maybe Mexico, because they called back a guy that's 40-plus years old in Memo Ochoa. But I don't think he's going to start and play. It's a head-scratcher, honestly.

Wait a second, they called Ochoa back? I know Ochoa.

What about Campos? Where's Campos?

That's basically the same thing. They're bringing back Jorge Campos of this generation. Memo Ochoa. Called him up off the beach. You're like, hey, man, you want to play in another World Cup? He's like, yeah, sure, why not?

Let's throw a cigarette butt into the sand at the beach.

Like, hey, call back Tim Howard. Let's call Tim Howard, see what he's up to.

Stu, is the fact that Tim Ream got called captain an indicator that he's going to play a lot this— you know, he's a bit divisive in U.S. soccer Twitter. I believe he's older than Freddy Adu. So do you expect Tim Ream playing a lot?

Hey man, Freddie, you do— we're going on the way throwbacks, huh? Uh, you know, Tim Ream was my teammate. That's how old he is. I'm 40 years old. He was— we played together at Bolton and the US national team. But look, the guy still gets it done, man. And I, I just think with a team of, of players— and here's the thing, like, every— normally in soccer, your best player ends up being the kind of de facto captain. Like, Messi is not a a captain in the traditional sense, that a guy that's going to shout and scream and yell and get in guys' faces all the time. But he's a guy that leads by his play on the field. Pulisic had been a captain. Tyler Adams was the captain at the last World Cup. And I think for these guys, what Pochettino said is, look, we got old man Ream here. He's 38 years old. He's going to be a leader on the field. He might not play every single game, but he's going to play a lot. But you know what it does by making him the captain? It takes the pressure off the rest of the guys that don't want to be that captain.

I think we're— I'm tired of asking guys to be something they're not. Pulisic is just not going to be that type of captain. And I think the qualities Ream brings are bigger in the sense of locker room and leadership. And he's not afraid to like stand there with the armpit, puff his chest up and say, I'm the captain today and lead this team. So I'm okay with him being the captain at 38.

One of the things that I always talk to retired athletes about is how they exercise now that they don't have to exercise professionally. Do you still run or did you raise Like, do you, do you still just decide to go out and run 10 miles for the hell of it?

Yeah. You want me to bust out the six-pack, Dan? I work hard for this, man. Um, I have had 15 knee surgeries in my career, if you believe it or not. So I had 4 ACL tears. I have a knee replacement now on my left knee. I did that with the view of being active and, and maintaining the, the workout, but also to be a sports dad and be on the, on the sidelines with my kids and run around without pain. I had a period there for a year where I couldn't walk. I was limping. And so, yeah, I get up, I go run 10 miles. I'm actually playing in a charity soccer match on Wednesday, the Congressional game in D.C. I do Pilates, I do yoga, I run 5 or 6 miles at least 2 to 3 times a week. I play tennis. I've gotten into padel. I don't know if you've hopped on this bandwagon yet. A lot of former pros have jumped on the padel. It's like a glass-walled tennis game mixed between that and squash. It's big in Miami. So, yeah, I, I stay active. It's my way to stay mentally sane.

It's my accountability. If I don't get a workout in, I'm kind of feeling a little off that day. So I'm still my playing weight. I like to brag about that. I'm still to 165, man.

Let's go. Nice to see you, Stu. Thank you again. He is the lead match analyst for Fox Sports, and they've got the World Cup, and it starts in 10 days. Thank you, sir.

Thank you, guys. It's going to be awesome, man. I can't wait. I got to start studying now. So we'll talk to you soon. Appreciate it.

See you later.

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Thank you. Let's find a goalkeeper.

Yeah, we need to find— we don't have a keeper. We've got 10 days to find one. Uh, Jeremy, would you do me the favor of looking up the origins of Pilates? Because I think— I can't remember the story off the top of my head, but it's an interesting story on how it is that Pilates started as a professional exercise, uh, craze. Uh, I have not yet gotten to something that Zaslow and Mike Ryan would not shut up about last week. I don't know how, uh, La Noche de los Grandes went? How did it end up going?

Oh, what a night!

Yeah, when wrestling is cooking like that, it is just a tremendous art form. What a story was told in Monterrey, Mexico.

Oh, they, they love their luchadores, Dan, let me tell you something. And Saturday night you had Game 7, and then Game 7, it ended just a little bit after the show started. So then you, you put your full focus on AAA, Máscara, en máscara, and it— Dan, it delivered in a very big way. It was very bloody, okay? And mask versus mask, of course, the loser has to get demasked. It's like the ultimate, uh, what would be the, the best way to put it?

Shame?

Yeah, yeah, shame. It's the ultimate shame. You can never wear the mask again. Your identity gets revealed. Dan, the original El Grande Americano It was Chad Gable.

A stunner.

It was Chad Gable. He had his, he had his family in the ring with him as he unmasks, and his son was dressed up in full gear with the mask. His son took his mask off also.

It was such great theater, Dan. The entrances were incredible. The callbacks to this 6-month-long program individually, even though they've been telling this story even longer, um, you kind of there was some like real shoot emotion, I think, from Chad Gable because it's kind of unfortunate what happened to him. He created— well, he was the original Grande Americano. This gimmick was created, he got it over, and then he got hurt. And as a rib, they had some guy take on the, the mantle, a German guy, and then he got super over with the crowd. He's a, he's a national hero in Mexico despite not being Americano.

Love him.

He—

or Mexicano. He's actually German. But it's all ridiculous.

He's a German playing an American portraying a Mexican.

Wait, wait, wait, say that again?

That's cultural appropriation.

I think— You bet it is.

Yes, 100%. 100%. There were 6 people involved in this feud. There was like Bruto, Julio, Dan. There are 2 British guys, a German, and 3 Americans. No one's Mexican.

And they love it there. And it was in Monterrey, this show. They love it there in Mexico.

You can't have the German be American in Mexico. In Mexican wrestling, you cannot have the German be the American in wrestling.

But in wrestling you can. And in Mexico you can have them eat it all up. And by the end of it, even though they hated the original Grande Americano, they booed the hell out of him. They started chanting his name, his real name. Germans? No, no, the original, the Mexican. The Mexicans started cheering for the American.

The Mexican? There was no Mexican.

No, there were no Mexican fans.

Only the fans are Mexican.

Yeah, and they were, they were just so appreciative of this tremendous story that was told. If you watch one wrestling match from the weekend, watch that one. It's on YouTube. It already has over a million views. It's such great theater.

It was fantastic. And then they put his name on the big screen for everybody to see. Chad Edward Gable.

Now what happens to his great shame? Like, he's there, he's bloody, he's maskless.

Well, the weird thing is, while this is huge in Mexico, he's gonna go over to WWE programming, and it's a kind of a bizarre thing.

He'll be on Raw tonight and we don't give a shit.

They don't really care. Now Raw is in Europe for like the next month, I think, so we'll see how this all works out for Chad Gable, who legitimately is an Olympian. Like, he He's a tremendous—

he's a great wrestler.

He's a tremendous wrestler, and hopefully this leads to—

but no one gives a shit.

No one gives a shit about him or the actual over Grande Americano in the United States. They come out, they're curtain jerking, they do like 4 minutes on the screen, they run out, and no one really cares. But on weekends on YouTube and in Mexico, this is the best thing going.

We were in my house, me and my son. I had a friend over, his kid too. We were cheering and yelling at midnight on a Saturday night. For these two guys in masks. It was awesome.

No one cares, you say, and yet I believe we have done a better job covering this than any mainstream American sports outlet. The, uh, the German who's playing an American in Spanish, portraying a Mexican in Mexico, portraying a Mexican.

I texted Pablo, I'm like, you have to get on this. Like, this thing exists and it's a beautiful thing, and it's all about the connection to the fan base, and wrestling— only wrestling can really do this. Uh, you have grown men also wearing masks in the audience.

Only wrestling should do this, to be clear. All of it is asinine. Uh, that kid, his son, should not have also been shamed by having to take his—

the son was in the ring standing next to his sister. The kid was maybe 7 years old. He's, he's wearing the wrestling gear. Yep, he's wearing the singlet. And the mask! And he took off the mask.

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Adam Schefter is reporting that AJ Brown is likely to be traded to the Patriots in the next 24 hours. Before we talk about that, though, can we find the origins of Pilates, please?

Yeah.

Well, speaking of Germans, this was developed by a man in Mönchengladbach, Germany, who was being held in Knockaloo Internment Camp on the Isle of Man during World War I. His name Joey Pilates.

And he was, he was helping veterans, right? He was helping war people who were injured during the war, who, who may have had one arm and been ticketed by a Hispanic police officer in Palm Beach wrongly because they, they couldn't do some of the other exercises that were being done. And so he was doing core strength exercises to help wounded veterans.

Really important correction that Mike gave me here in the back. Mönchengladbach.

I'm glad we got that right.

I was watching Tony during that, and he was impressed that you tried it. Like, I saw Tony looked at you with something— it's a rare time where I felt like Tony was looking at you with admiration. Yeah. Thinking that you were a bit brave because you didn't just skip past that. You didn't have to try to pronounce that. There are all sorts of ways you could have worded that without trying to pronounce it. But Tony, it's hard to get Tony to be impressed by anybody around here. He seemed impressed that you showed the courage to try.

Navigated the speed bump of the internment camp too. Been worried about that. Like, what does that—

you know, where are we out there?

What is that? I'll give you a book. No, no, I know what it is. I'm saying, where are we with that? Yeah, no, it's a good point. I appreciate that. I know what it is. The Greatest Generation.

What was the details that are relevant here to the audience where I saw somebody was going to win $1.7 million if if the spur's part of a— was it a foreleg?

Yeah, just real quick, I just want to confirm that was not a joke. His name is Joey Pilates? Yep.

All right. Confirmed! Well, Pilates wasn't famous until he named it Pilates.

Still a ridiculous name.

It is a ridiculous name, but Pilates wasn't around before Joey Pilates made it Pilates.

But he's Joey Pilates!

I know, but Pilates wasn't a real word. Like, nobody knew what Pilates was until they knew what Pilates was.

But it sounds like a rib. Hey, who invented Pilates? Joey Pilates! We also learned on Friday that orange was named after the fruit. That the color was named after the fruit, not the other way around.

It's a chicken and the egg situation, Dan.

It's an orange and—

They just called it red-yellow!

And a color situation. The bet, what are the details of a $1.7 million parlay that was won when the Spurs won that game? You have to hedge that, do you not? If you're wagering $2,500. What are you shrugging your shoulders?

How much do you even hedge on that? A $500 grand on the, on the other team?

You either get $1.7 million if the Spurs win on the road, or you get nothing. I feel like you need to hedge that.

Dan, if you're in the state of Florida, we call that rewards, and you're buying shares, and it's not a parlay, it's a combo. All on the new DraftKings Sports app, now live in all 50 states.

So this was from DraftKings, all right? There's this guy called the Parlay Prince, that's his name on IG, and he had—

or Combo Cadet if you're in the state of Florida—

and so he had a, a 4-leg combo which was placed. Am I doing that right, Mike? He had a 4-leg combo. Yep. That was placed back in February. It was for the U.S. men's hockey team to win the gold, check. It was for Michigan's men's basketball to win the tournament, Check. It was for the Knicks to win the Eastern Conference. Check. And the final was the Spurs winning the West. He laid down $2,500 back in February. The payout was $1.7 million. He was being offered a cash out, as the video audience can see, of over $600,000. You gotta take that if you— now, Now he, he was the big winner. He didn't take it. Apparently he didn't hedge either. So he won $1.7 million, but that's like bad process, right result.

Well, the math on this, I'm a— I am bad at this, okay? Not just math, but wherever it comes to, uh, taking one of these, uh, wagers and getting out early, I generally don't want to risk it everything on all or nothing. But when you're offered that as a cash out, I would I would have thought that you might make a bet a little more than that. That the amount that was the cash out, you might bet $700,000 to see what it is that you can do with— you could do better than their cash out. I think that there are mathematical permutations that allow you to do better than what they're offering you as a cash out.

You're saying I'm going to put $700 grand, but it's going to net me $1.7 or $1.4.

However it is, however it is that you find your middle there. How are you guys as gamblers? Because Mike likes to bear his fangs and scream at me, I never cash out. Nick Wright does the same thing, I never cash out. Why? It's all or nothing. It's all— they're proud about it. They're defiant about it.

I actually took one of my first cash outs ever over the weekend and it ended up costing me. I like Fonseca came back in at Roland Garros and it ended up winning me a combo.

Okay, but if you were faced with this exact scenario this guy was faced with, with $600,000 to cash out or let it all ride for $1.7 million. You're not cashing out?

Probably am cashing out. That's just crazy. When I'm getting offered cash outs, it ain't that total. Like, it's very easy for me to talk tough when the cash out offers, you know, $17. Well, but yeah, I'm not cashing out for $17.

But you do talk tough. No, no, but you don't do it for $17. I've seen you relatively compared to that. The way that you talk— no, the way that you talk about, I don't take cash outs, and the way that Nick Wright talks about, I don't take cash outs, makes it seem like you are an all-or-nothing person in these circumstances.

Also, I just don't think that it's not the smart math play, the, the cash out thing. I just disagree with that.

Well, let— but the thing I would say to you though, if, if it's nothing, if I have a chance at $1.7 million or nothing, I almost feel obligated if my original offer was $2,500, I'm gonna put down like $200 grand so that I'm 10x-ing my money. I'm gonna get something. I'm not gonna be that close to something and then walk away just totally despondent. I might not take that cash out, cash out, but I'm gonna do something to mitigate my losses if they lose a Game 7 on the road.

Ah, live big. I, I just don't— I just don't like taking the cash out. I like that the books offer that. That's Okay, thank you DraftKings. And you can check out the new DraftKings app available now live in all 50 states. Guys, it's so incredibly user-friendly. It recognizes what state you're in and it'll take you either predictions or sportsbook.

I mean, what's the blood pressure like that game if you don't hedge, you don't take the cash out, and you're letting it ride for $1.7 million?

You love Cornette though.

The roof blew off when Cornette had that blowout. The roof blew off!

And they let Hartenstein double dribble. Let's call it as we see Fox went out of bounds. That's whatever. On that play, it was clearly a Hardenstein double dribble. He got what he deserved. And that was Cornett putting it right back in his face.

How do you feel about Fox stepping out of bounds?

Yeah, it's a missed call.

And then what happened to Struis? How do they, how do they, how do they justify that? How do they justify that? Pablo, get on that. I've never seen anything like that. They changed the score 10 minutes later.

It was like 8 game minutes later they changed it.

They do some of that though. It's usually not that much longer, but the, the foot on the line on a 3, like that's something that they I've seen—

How about when the foot's not actually on the line?

Did you guys see that Silver said what it is that I brought up last week of we're going to end up when the officiating is just all computerized? Like, it's going to happen. I don't know when it's going to happen, but it's going to happen. You're in agreement it's going to happen now, right? When Adam Silver is saying to you, yeah, we're looking at all of this because you can't have referees making these kinds of mistakes.

You're asking me if I think Adam Silver is going to get something done. That's what you're asking me.

No, if technology is going to get it done. It's not going to be Adam Silver getting it done. It's going to be whatever the technology is that, that 5 years from now, 10 years from now, we're just not going to get these calls as wrong as we get them when they're— there's, there's too much riding on it. And even if there's not too much riding on it, the amount of money you're going to save on just, and, uh, on just referees flying all over the country when you don't need them to be doing that anymore. Like, when you just— it's when AI replaces all labor, and I've told you this, if If you're not reading about AI, please don't, because it's going to ruin how it is you think about our future, because we are not in any way prepared for the amount of labor that's going to be taken by the robots. But referees, I think, will be relieved when they're taken over by the, by the robots.

AI needs to progress, though, because now, like, if you're arguing with AI over a call and it says that's a foul, no, it wasn't. I'm sorry, you're right, that wasn't a foul.

It does need to progress. I will not dispute that. We are not in any way ready for this now, but I do believe that we are going to laugh at the way we used to do it. There's going to be a time when people look back and say, wait a minute, referees were flying from city to city. These three sad guys were just flying around from city to city to get calls wrong everywhere, to get everything wrong, and, and we could have done this with computers a long time ago. I think we're going to look back on it the way we look back at cursive handwriting. I think we're going to look back on it the way that we look back at all sorts of things that are now just totally antiquated.

And all things we need to bring back, Jack, because all the stuff that's happening now, I don't want anymore. I want cursive handwriting. I want flip phones.

All right?

I want a car that's not going to shut off when I'm driving.

You think that people are going to long for referee mistakes in a few years?

I long for cursive. I'm keeping it alive.

You long for cursive?

I only write in cursive.

How old is the kid who can't read cursive? Or teenager? Like, how old is the—

Well, it also depends in which state you're living in. Like the DraftKings app, which is now available in all 50 states.

I think my younger son would have trouble reading cursive.

But I'm asking what the age is. Like, if I say to you—

You think it's a kid?

I don't know. You—

you—

when I say kid, I meant 14.

No, there's like a generation of adults that the public school system down here stopped teaching cursive for a bit. It might be back in some places. I think it is actually. Not at Westwood. They taught us cursive at Westwood. Yeah, I know. I know. The M, the Z. Oh, the Q. Always tricky.

Yeah. You guys can't foresee the day where they're just like drones flying over the court, uh, videoing everything?

Basketball is kind of tough for that. Like, how's AI— like, the humans can't figure out SGA. I'm not sure the computers The drone's gonna call technical fouls on a player? Did we learn nothing from Westworld? Like, nothing.