Transcript of The Media Is AFRAID Of Giannis Antetokounmpo To The Miami Heat | Local Hour New

Zazz, Greg Cody is burying you with his catchphrases, and I think that you need to unveil your catchphrases soon if you're going to do it, because he's about to get into his top 10, and that's going to be an avalanche when he does. Like, he is— he is nailing a month-long joke.

You said top 10, but it's really like top 20 now, right? Because we moved back.

Well, we're in the glory area right now. This is the place to be with the catchphrases. No, but it's It's unbelievably, this has been a fireworks show for months because it's gonna keep getting more and more fireworks, more and more explosions. Yesterday we closed with gotta take a quick K, that's a quick crap.

It doesn't start with a K or it's a quick Q, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I know it just as ridiculous. I'm sorry.

So it's a QK.

Come on. So what is the phrase? I'm sorry, I got it wrong.

QK, quick crap.

I have dancing swords, gotta go take a QK.

But the "quick crap" is parenthetical.

It's called "QK." Right, but "crap" is not spelled with a "K," and I got it wrong because I got confused about "crap" is not spelled with a "K." A quick "K." It should be, though. And I spelled it with a "Q," I think.

Dan, I'm 4 steps ahead of you. I'm already compiling a top 5 catchphrase list of my own. I don't need 65.

That's so sad, though.

It's not—

why is that?

5 is sad.

No! When the guy look across from you has 65.

Okay, no, I got 5 bangers, alright? I don't need to have 65.

How are you 4 steps ahead of Dan if he told you yesterday to do it?

I'm 4 steps ahead of Dan. I don't need to get into the minutia of what each of those steps are. I'm 4 steps ahead of you, and I can't afford for Greg Cody to steal another one of my catchphrases, so before he gets to his top 10, I'm gonna have my top 5, and boom, you're boxed in, you can't steal anymore.

Wow, sounds like, I think there's a word for that in journalism, it's called plagiarism. You know, why don't I do a painting that looks remarkably like the Mona Lisa and just call it my work?

Between the two of us, only one of us has plagiarized something so far, and it's not me.

Hey, that's what I'm talking about.

Oh ho ho ho, right in your face.

Ah, damn, man.

Right in your face. Dunked on you. Right in your, right in your—

You got nothing?

What can you have? No, look, That Greg Cody has found something. He's so proud of himself. I mean, he should be. He's so proud of himself. But he should be.

He should leave. He should not do the rest of the show because you're not gonna be any better than that.

That's true. That's a good point, Zazz.

To be able to sing his catchphrase, which is your catchphrase, in your face to checkmate you on the finality of "You've Only Got 5" catchphrases.

Like spitting in my face.

I have 65, and even though some of them are bad, like the Little League theory, like that shouldn't be in there, and it's ridiculous. There are some, there are some Quick K's.

Quick K's? QK's. That's a disrespect of the QK.

There's some quick crap.

You got electrocuted on that one.

You were like, "Kuh-kuh-kuh-kuh." The reason for it is I don't know the expression. Why is it a quick K?

It's not. It's a QK.

Why is it a QK?

You know what a QC would be.

Yeah, but why isn't it a QC? That's my point is why is it a QK when it's a quick crap?

What's a more fun thing to say, QC or QK? It's obvious.

Goddamn it, it is obvious.

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You have heard me talking for a while now about the mastery that is at the top of sports right now, whether it's Ohtani or the— all the men in tennis. Just— we used to have one Babe Ruth, and now we've got a dozen of them. And one of them played last night in the World Cup and started the World Cup with a hat trick at 38 years old. And it's a total insanity. So we will get to the majesty of Messi in a moment because I'm not too old or numb to things that are great in sports to shrug off the fact that he just opened the World Cup with a hat trick at that age, which is just sheer lunacy.

He's a good player.

But before we talk about that, we are officially now in crazy land when it comes to the Giannis stuff because you got the Boston people crazy and you got the Miami people crazy. And this is their championship. This is their Eastern Conference championship where the Boston media is facing the Miami media and Zazzle and Jeremy seem to be hugely pissed off, like legitimately angry in a way that reminds me of all of the craziness around LeBron when we were talking transactions.

Like, what is happening with you people?

This feels like 2010 all over again. And I know, Jeremy, you were a little boy in 2010, so you may not remember, but in 2010, this is what it felt like. Where when it started to gain some momentum, when we started to gain some steam that maybe LeBron is actually going to sign with Miami. It's not gonna be Cleveland again, it's not gonna be Chicago, it's not gonna be New York, it's gonna be Miami, who doesn't deserve a player of LeBron James' caliber. You started to have the pushback where, why would he choose Miami? Why would Miami be a place you would go to? They don't even have anybody under contract except for Mario Chalmers, who believes the team was built around him 'cause he was the only player who was still under contract.

It's true.

We started to get all these people tell us why Miami is a, is a poor option. And what has happened now over probably like the last 48 hours, it feels like everyone's coming out, which really means that they know Giannis to Miami is going to happen.

What does coming out mean? What is everyone coming out? What did you finish that thought? Who's— they're coming out and who's coming out?

Dan, I said everybody's coming out and then I stopped that thought and I added extra context and now I'm gonna circle back. All right, follow along. Everybody started to come out with all the reasons that Miami is a terrible option and it should be Boston. Even though you have people tell you, "Oh, it's Miami and it's Boston, although I don't really know if Boston's even involved, but it's Miami and Boston." The reason? 'Cause it needs to be anybody other than Miami.

That's exactly right. Like, I think at this point it's clear that the national media is concerned about Giannis ending up in Miami. Yeah.

It's happening again.

And whether or not he actually does is besides the point. The point is that these national media folks are doing every single thing that they can to will it to not happen.

Who is this?

Name names.

Alright, let's start right here.

Let's start right here. I've got names. Let's start with Kendrick Perkins.

What do you say?

Kendrick Perkins is the first one to say, "Oh, I don't know if that team will be any good." Giannis better take his ass to Boston.

That makes the most sense for everybody. Him going to Miami does absolutely nothing. It does not move the needle. Him and Bam Adebayo, that is not, that is not singing championship to me.

That's not singing championship to you? How about Bam Adebayo with Jimmy Butler, who by the way, everybody said, oh, when Jimmy Butler was coming to Miami, you talk about LeBron, in 2019 it was Jimmy Butler's going there to retire.

I'm gonna need you to turn it down a notch just because it's very early and there's a lot. This is a marathon, okay? It's, it's not a race. We got months, we got at least weeks of this.

We got 6 days left.

Right, uh, okay.

Just getting started.

It—

let's just take some of the air out of the tires for a second and marvel at the fact that Kendrick Perkins still doesn't know how to say "Bam Adebayo." It really is amazing, right? I mean, he's gotten better at it. I will give him credit for the idea that—

Abadababo.

That—

well—

Just say "Bam." Yeah, that would be the way to do it. That's why we go Wemby. That's why— I mean, my father still calls Antetokounmpo "The Alphabet" because he just doesn't want to do it.

Imagine them on the same team.

But the reason I need you to turn down the volume on this is because Name names. Who are you talking about when you say the national media is conspiring against Miami? Because you sound like paranoid loons with a persecution complex. But I understand it because you have been persecuted in this regard. How about Chris Broussard?

I just don't understand why Giannis, with all due respect to the Heat, wants to go to Miami. I mean, obviously it's a great place to live. It is a strong organization. Erik Spoelstra is a great coach, but it's going to essentially be Milwaukee South. Now I get, look, if they trade for him, they got Bam. So those are two bigs. But that's it. That don't shoot, right?

Well, Bam scored 83 points.

Great organization, great place to live, great coach. I know why I want to go there.

Let's laugh at Bam's 83. How about the fact that even according to The Ringer, if Antetokounmpo and Adebayo paired together, they'd be one of 4 teams in the league with a top 10 player and a top 25 player.

By the way, can I just mention, alright, the Miami Heat kind of have a history where when they acquire a top player, when they acquire a superstar player, they go either go to the Finals or win the Finals every single time.

And the anticipation would be Wiggins and Powell, by the way.

Okay, with the by the ways that you both just did there—

That was good by the ways!

No, I think they were bad by the ways, and I'm about to explain to you why. You said, "By the way, can I just mention?" And you didn't absorb or listen to anything Jeremy said. When Jeremy— tell me what Jeremy said before you said "by the way," because what you said with your "by the way" was just, "I don't want to listen to anything you said." He was making a point and he threw it to you and he wanted you to be impressed, and you just say, "By the way, can I mention?" I wasn't listening to you, because if I quizzed you right now, you don't know what he said as his closing point, correct?

Well, I didn't expect you to call me out on that.

I saw it happen because he just threw at you something, a fact that shouldn't have been skipped by that way. Okay. Because if he's going to make an accusation that it's a persecution that's happening here with the national media, and you guys are scarred by what happened with Lillard when you saw the Boston media do that to that trade, like you watched the voices get pressurized and the front office of Portland becomes something that just wasn't going to trade Lillard to Miami. And Miami ended up getting very lucky. That they did not trade for Damian Lillard. But you guys are scarred by all of this. After 15 years of basketball, this is the most important basketball that he'd play. In the offseason, when, when their fans get involved in the transactions, and you've seen a couple of times now that Boston has beaten you in both ways. They win the championship and then they win the offseason of this stuff. And now it's here again with Giannis. And it's not just Kendrick Perkins and Chris Broussard. Tony Kornheiser is saying, quote, I don't think this is close in terms of the basketball aspect of this.

You go to Boston, the better impending spot is Boston. Miami finished 10th last year in the East. They got knocked out of the play-in. They got Bam Adebayo, and I don't really know who else I, I think is any good. Adebayo scored 83 in a game last year, but it was against the Wizards, so it doesn't count.

We're looking at a situation, Dan, that I don't like, which is—

Yeah, this is bad.

This is going to set up for a spectacular failure when Giannis goes to Boston and we all get crushed one more time. We start looking at free agents of 2029. It is— I feel this impending doom, Dan. I don't know what to do with it. Greg, I don't know if you can help me here because they're making good points. I see the national tidal wave of Boston media coming out and saying, "Nothing here is good!

Who is Khalil Ware?

He's Derrick Lively!" And it's like, wait a second, what happened?

Yeah, I don't feel that at all. I still feel like Miami is the front-runner and should be. And I'm trying to picture Giannis Antetokounmpo being influenced even one iota by anything Kendrick Perkins is saying or by anything Tony Kornheiser is saying. Giannis is his own guy. He's personal friends with Bam. They have the same agent. He wants to live in Miami. There's a lot of reasons why he would come here. There's the— he's got the best coach in the league. All of the stuff that you say as a disclaimer before you say he should go to Boston, those are factors favoring Miami.

When Carmelo Anthony was traded once upon a time when we did all of this stuff, one of the things that the Knicks fans always blamed him for is that he made it so that they had to trade a lot of the pieces that he would have wanted to play with. And Bam Adebayo not being traded here is the primary reason that Antetokounmpo would come here. It's, uh, top of the list. As Jeremy said when, uh, Zazz wasn't listening and wasn't expecting to be called out on it, very few teams in the league would have a top 10 player and a top 25 player, and the only teams that do have that are the good ones. Like, there's no such thing— it doesn't exist— a bad team that's got a top 10 player and a top 25 player and they're not also a good team. Who are the teams?

They're the Knicks, The Lakers and the Nuggets.

So you are assuming here that the Heat will be able to build around that because of course they would. And you're assuming here that the Heat will get better because they will find the pieces around those two. Because the starting point is, do you have a top 10 player and do you have a top 25 player? Everybody wants that.

There's no—

there's nobody in the history of basketball who doesn't want to start with that as roster construction.

What would they actually be losing, you know, Miami, in this trade? All right. Because Antetokounmpo is a major upgrade over Ware, who the coach doesn't even like playing anyway. And then we talk about Powell and Wiggins, who, whether you think they're big names or not, these are 20-point-a-game scorers that are supposed to be your 3rd and 4th best guys. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, if your 3rd and 4th best guys are 20-point-a-game scorers, that's how you win.

Right.

I agree. And they're losing. You don't mind losing Hero.

Nobody, nobody is going to be upset that Tyler Hero played less games than Giannis did this past season. Right.

And he was an All-Star once, but I don't consider him to be an All-Star caliber player. I think he's one level below that.

Are we really trying to build up Andrew Wiggins though, right now? You guys, this is—

No.

What are you doing?

This is a bad look for you guys right now. This just doesn't end well for you guys.

NBA champion.

You guys sound desperate.

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Dan Le Batard.

All these high-paid analysts.

I don't want to mention names.

TNT, ESPN, you know, oh yeah, they are dead. They cannot, they are not going to make it, you know. Even if they win in, if they lose in Miami.

I need to calm you down.

I need to calm you down. That's right, they lose in Miami, they don't got a chance in Boston. Oh, they are going to have their ass, you know what, in Boston, you know.

Stugatz.

They were wrong. Are they going to lose their job? No. Are they going to get a cut in pay? No. What are they going to do? Keep predicting what is the obvious. They are going to say, Oh, the Nuggets are going to win. Oh, Denver, the altitude. And you know what? The Heat are going to win it all. This is the Dan Levatar Show with the Stugatz.

I don't understand what you're saying there. Wiggins was one of the better two-way wings in the league last year, period. Like, that's not a debate over anybody.

All I'm saying is if Wiggins is your fourth best player, your team's good.

That's exactly right.

He's a starting caliber player in the NBA.

Right.

And if you surround Giannis and Bam with those two players and beyond, you feel like you're in a good spot to start. But I want to get back to the national media and their issue here, because Nick Wright is yet another one. Your boy, Dan. Nick Wright.

What do you say?

It's ridiculous what he said yesterday.

Why are the Heat on the list other than Miami's dope? I love the idea of Giannis in Boston. I love it. I think he can win there. I think it is a good fit. I think that it is a shakeup they need. I just— Giannis has not played in relevant postseason games in years.

So— And I don't think that'd be different in Miami.

I just really don't want him to go to Miami. And I—

I agree.

I think Spoelstra is one of the best coaches of my— of this era. I think Pat Riley is a legend. I think that is a great organization, but they will have no chance to compete.

No chance. You know, just like when the Heat acquired in the 2019 offseason, they acquired Jimmy Butler on a team that also missed the playoffs.— not a playoff team— and added a guy in Jimmy Butler who is not supposed to be as good as Giannis Antetokounmpo, and the Heat went to the Finals. Not once! I know you might be thinking they went to the Finals just once. No, no, no. Twice! This organization hits on these superstar players and then goes to the Finals with them every time.

Dan, I like Nick Wright very much. He's very close to being banned from the program.

Wow.

Very close. What is that? You like the organization, you like the city, you like the coach, you like the president, you like everybody, but don't go there. Please don't go there. Go to Boston instead.

Go on. And just parenthetically, let's make no mistake, Giannis is two tiers better than Jimmy Butler. I don't care what anybody says.

Or at least, or at least I would say, or at least when, when they acquired Jimmy Butler, no one had Jimmy on the level of this player.

Yes.

I don't know what Cody is doing. He just did tears twice, and I don't know what his tears look like, but this all sounds like my Miami Heat tears are coming when they, uh, in Boston.

They are. That's my fear.

Like this, what is happening here, uh, is just the beginning of the escalation of the lunacy where Jeremy already sounds unreasonable, Zazz sounds crazy.

So it sounds, it sounds smart.

Uh, and well, and it sounds, uh, so bad that you're not listening to what anyone else is saying. That's not true. Well, you started to make the same point that Jeremy made about if you add Giannis to Bam, they added Jimmy Butler to and they got to the Finals and it did make the point that Jeremy— I know. I know. Yeah, but you're sounding smart because you're just parroting Jeremy, who I—

Am I good?

Is smart. Who I don't want to hear from as much when you—

That's why I jumped in.

You, him, and Cody are being homers. You're being like, you sound— Chris Cody is here saying, everybody settle down, you're getting mad at the national media. Why would the national media have an interest in getting Giannis to Boston? They're making the argument that Giannis, from a basketball perspective, that's a better landing spot. Are you guys arguing against that? That just as a roster, that the team that won the championship most recently and passed the Miami Heat in ways that were obvious, that that's a better team for him to go to than the one that he would be coming to down here?

Yes.

Dan, you're talking about a team that won the championship back then a A lot of those guys aren't there anymore, right? Like, you got Derrick White, who's gonna turn 32. You got Peyton Pritchards, who's a good player. But you're talking about Hugo Gonzalez and Nima Skata? Like, those are the guys that Giannis is gonna be joining where all of a sudden it's better than the Heat?

Guys, that team was better than the Heat without Tatum all of last season.

Yeah, they were fugazi.

They were. He's right about that.

Yeah, what happened? What happened to that team?

It was better than the Heat.

The broken Sixers took that ass.

It was better.

It was.

Than the Heat.

Where'd I get them?

Without Jason Tatum the entirety of the season.

With Jaylen Brown.

We had Andrew Wiggins.

Good. Hang up your better than the Heat in the regular season banner.

You guys sound— and this is early for this because there are very few things that have changed more in sports over my lifetime covering it than the obsession with the transaction. LeBron, I think, birthed all of that, but it becomes lunacy. So I'm sure there are many in our audience who are like, these You guys are talking about Giannis again, but it has escalated. And we did just watch the last time this happened with Damian Lillard. Like, we watched the Boston media try to make sure that Damian Lillard didn't get to Miami with every opinion they had. Now, these are not Boston guys you're playing. Perkins is, but Broussard and Nick Wright are not Boston guys. Like, I understand where Perk is coming from. Do you have the sound of how he used to say Adebayo and how he now says Adebayo? Bam Adebayo. See, that was the first time, right? Like, that's not this time. That was the first time.

That is this time.

No, that's this time.

You gotta be shitting me.

Bam outta the bayou.

Outta the bayou.

Bam outta the bayou.

How does that accent not know how to say bayou? Never mind, am—

Bam outta the bayou.

It's not that tough a name.

It really isn't, right?

No, it's 3 little syllables.

Bam outta the bayou.

I think he's doing a thing. He's gotta be doing a thing, right?

If he's doing a thing, it has to be because he was going to go for "bayou" there.

No?

Like, it— I thought the first time he said it— do you have the first time that he said it? Not on our show, but going back to the first time we played the sound, because I think he's saying it differently than he said it the first time, and I don't think he's doing that on purpose.

I would imagine the first times that he used to say it, he was saying, uh, "bayou" would be my guess.

I mean, to be fair, even the great Greg Cody sometimes doesn't do his catchphrases the right way.

Yeah, but he's not good at broadcasting and 70-something years old and still hasn't learned anything about what we're doing around here.

But other than that, I'm a real pro.

Do we think that this is an Antetokounmpo situation where he's adding an extra syllable and doing "adda di bio" since it's kind of similar to "Antetokounmpo"?

Oh, I see what you're saying.

No, I don't think that's it.

That.

What do you think is happening here as Roy continues to try and find the way that Kendrick Perkins originally said this the first time we had it? Because I don't think he's doing a thing here. You think he's doing a thing with not being able to pronounce, uh, pronounce bam out of—

I, I think that he has a hard time with some words. Like, remember on draft night though, the whole Moses Moody fiasco?

Moody Moses, Moody Motus Moody?

Yeah, like I think sometimes he gets a little tongue twisted and he says the name wrong.

Yeah, I, you know, I'm trying to put myself in Giannis' shoes right now. He's at an age where he's thinking of the endgame a little bit. He's 31. He has won a championship. So now he's looking, where do I want to live? Where do I want to retire? Do I want to live on South Beach or do I want to live in Boston?

It's true, it's not a player who who hasn't won, and it's like, all right, let's make sure I go to the best situation to win right now. He has won before. He wants to live in South Florida and believes— it doesn't have to be this coming year— but believes over the next 3, 4 years, this is the best scenario.

Chad Johnson said that he was shopping for homes in the area. Does anyone know whether that's confirmed or not? He said on Nightcap that Giannis Antetokounmpo was looking for homes. Jeremy, you were exasperated with everything that was being said in here. You were flailing and throwing your hands around. What is it that you wanted to say? I mean, why are you guys doing what they were to Jimmy Butler when he was coming down here.

You're making it, oh, he wants to retire there. This would be a good situation for him to join. He'd have a guy in Bam Adebayo that's an even better running mate than Bam was to Jimmy when he joined this team.

And when—

remember, when Jimmy Butler joined the Miami Heat, they lost their two leading scorers from the year before in Josh Richardson and Dwyane Wade. Yeah. And he joined—

Not a playoff team.

Where his starting lineup lineup was Dragic, who was great, a young Adebayo, Justise Winslow— And a rookie. Was— yeah, Justise Winslow was there. Myers-Leonard was starting. That's the team he joined. Yeah, but— and they went to a championship.

Yeah, but— and they were first place for a good portion of the season.

But clearly, like, if you— if I said to you, what does Giannis need around him to succeed, you'd say shooting. Like, pairing him with Bam just cannot be the best option out there for him.

Why? I don't understand that. Those are the two leading players. Those aren't the only guys who play on the team. Norman Powell was an All-Star guard last year who was a really good shooter. Andrew Wiggins had a, I believe, a career high shooting from 3 and had a really good year. That frontcourt would be the best defensive frontcourt in the NBA by a long shot, and you still have room to add other players. I didn't know that once you made a trade, transactions were done.

I mean, think about how much more open these guys are going to get with a guy like Antetokounmpo on the team. Powell last year shot 38% from 3, which is very good. Wiggins shot 41%, which is excellent. These are, like, these are good shooters.

And another thing is that Miami is going to have 2 or 3 very promising young players not named Killuauea after this trade, and Antetokounmpo is going to make Miami a much more attractive destination for others looking for a new team. So that— those are both real factors to me as well.

A couple of things that I want to point out about what's been said, uh, if they—

if the people listening to this want to I know you laugh at Andrew Wiggins' talk.

I understand it. But when Andrew Wiggins was in this position for the Warriors, they won a championship because if Aaron Gordon is your best player, you're Orlando. But if he's your fourth-best player, you can win the championship in Denver. If Lamar Odom's your best player with the Clippers, you're not going to be great as a playoff team. But if he's the fourth-best player on the Lakers, my guess is that you have a shot when Lamar Odom, someone that versatile— and they did win a championship— is your 4th best player. The things you guys are talking about with Wiggins and— And Hawkins and Powell and whatever it is that shooting is, the base construction on this is that it's super simple. And if you're making the argument that people would be scared of whatever it is that the Heat do, the argument is this: if you get the top 2 guys, this organization has shown you it's better equipped equipped than most to— they'll figure out the rest. I'm saying, like, they'll— whatever has to be done after that, that's what you would fear if anyone were fearing a 10 seed. I just don't think that's what's in play right now.

They're laughing at what has been a 10 seed, and they're doing what Stan did yesterday when he was on the show with us, and he's like, I don't trust that body. Giannis isn't going to hold up. Like, Stan is telling you he had very little enthusiasm for anything Giannis related. He practically yawned while we were asking him That's what I'm saying.

Every time they've acquired one of these superstar players, whether they were a playoff team or not the year before, this organization has put guys around them and they've gotten to the Finals and sometimes won. Each time. Shaq, LeBron, Jimmy Butler. They always got to the championship round.

Yeah, I mean, look, he's the best— Spolster is the best coach in the NBA in the post-Popovich era. And I don't think there's any question about that. And that has to be a factor to Giannis as well.

With the factor of him being one of the great players in the league, this national media is so scared that they're now trying to diminish how great Giannis is. Check out Mike Wilbon.

Kuni, you know, this is interesting to me because I don't believe in Giannis anymore. Giannis is a rumor. Giannis hadn't done jack in the months that matter, which would be May and June. Since 2021. 5 years is forever in professional sports. Giannis is a multiple-time MVP, a great player, a Hall of Famer, and as you said, a champion. He was that. No. I ain't seen evidence of it. No, no. Sorry. A league can now, particularly the NBA, it can pass you by. And with a ton of wings who are 6'9" 6'10" sort of size, DeBansa and Caleb Wilson and those kids coming in the league, Giannis can look obsolete fairly quickly if he can't get his butt out there and contribute heavily, massively in May, June. And I don't know that. I would not rearrange my franchise for Giannis. Tyler Herro leads his team in scoring. He's an all-star.

Yeah.

I know he's had some injury issues at times, But he plays more than Giannis lately, and he doesn't seem to be the diva that Giannis is. So if it sounds like I'm piling on Giannis, yeah, a little bit. For a guy, as a player, I used to love, I love him less now because I ain't seen nothing lately.

A lot of damage done by that last Milwaukee season and a lot of poison coming from the tension in Milwaukee, the soap opera that makes Giannis the millionaire who's spoiled, who makes a mess on his way out. And so you get a lot of analysis that gets forgetful. I wonder with our short attention spans, when Wilbon says that 5 years is forever in sports, uh, more recently, the lack of patience for anything around here makes it that you discredit a 31-year-old champion that way, who's a legitimate immortal, like, is a player that is top 50 for all time. Faster than ever, we will get to, you're not an immortal anymore if you have one season where you're statistically good. Yeah. Good, but it looks like Milwaukee.

He said he was worried about AJ DeBanza and Caleb Wilson instead of Giannis.

Caleb Wilson, did you see him?

Look, Wilbon can have the opinion that he doesn't believe in Giannis anymore because he hasn't played so much recently, but he doesn't get to make up his own facts. Like when you say that he's played more than Tyler Herro recently— no, this past year Giannis played more than Tyler Herro. 3 years ago— no, Giannis A lot more than Tyler Herro.

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Dan Lebatard.

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Stugatz.

All I have put in my body today is 3 cups of coffee and an entire cup of honey.

Don't let him fool you. He said in the break that he's jittery.

This is the Dan Lebatard Show with the Stugatz.

I will not have the greatness of Giannis Antetokounmpo disparaged in a way that gets both forgetful and disrespectful. The last 7 years before the last one, he finished top 4 in MVP voting. It's just a fact. You do with it what you wish, okay? I'm telling you, last year did a lot of damage.

The last 7 years before that, top 4 in MVP voting.

It's simply a fact. I'm not going to get strident about it. You really shouldn't do that to Giannis. It's disrespectful in this age of mastery where people are so great that you're like, I don't believe in Giannis anymore.

Giannis Strident.

You can, you can do, you can do this with the injury and health if you want. You can't do it with the greatness of the play.

And by the way, the year that did all of this damage to Giannis's reputation, he averaged 27 points, 11 rebounds, 5 assists.

It's stupid. And I don't say that very often, but let's hear from Kendrick Perkins the first time he ever tried to say Bam Adebayo on the air.

Bam out of the bayou.

See, I thought that might have been on purpose because out of the bayou is a compliment. It's a bit of a nickname, I would say. If—

if he indeed out of the bayou?

Bam!

Outta da bayou! Bam! Outta da bayou! Bam! Outta da bayou! Bam! Outta da bayou! Bam!

Outta da bayou!

Bam! Outta da bayou! Bam! Outta da bayou!

There's a song there.

He hasn't been able to perfect the first syllable. You know, he's gotten the last syllable, he's okay there but it's the first syllable: "outta da." Bam!

Outta da bayou!

I'm gonna continue to tell you to be careful with the doing of uh Black voices, Black accents.

I didn't even do it.

I'm not saying you did it there. I'm just telling you that you should be careful with some of that.

Oh my God, we did it. Oh my God.

Yeah, be careful.

Is that me or Jason Tatum? Oh my God, we did it. Oh my God.

So I'm just going to keep telling you to be careful with that. Doesn't Kendrick Perkins seem to you like somebody who is out of the bayou, even if he isn't out of the bayou? Yes.

For sure. I see him cooking a big ol' alligator.

He said he's a country boy.

But it's just, it's just his accent I'm talking about and his general way of being. If I told you that was somebody from New Orleans, you'd be like, yeah, it aligns. It makes sense. I'm glad that we have Greg Cody here because, as I've told you for a number of days now, he really is a soccer expert, has been for a long time, 50 years covering the sport in this town. To see the excellence of Messi in a way that to me still confounds, right? Because he's clearly seeing things, Greg, that no one else sees on a soccer field. And he clearly can keep the ball closer to his foot more efficiently than anyone in the sport's history. Like the, the control that he has, the sniper's precision that he has, that he could score 3 goals last night at the age of 38. I don't— Did Germany have someone with a hat trick? Has anyone else had a hat trick in the tournament?

No, but this is what made yesterday so remarkable to me. Earlier in the day, Norway's 25-year-old superstar Erling Haaland scores 2 goals in his first World Cup ever. Great show. Story of the day. A little bit later, who else scores 2 goals? Kylian Mbappé of France. Nice. Lewandowski gets— scores 2 goals. Brilliant. Story of the day. And then Messi, a week before turning 39, scores 1, 2, 3 goals in a 3-0 victory for Argentina. At 30, he's brilliant. He's brilliant. And I don't care— I'll argue with anybody that he's as good as he's ever been. Everybody thought he was coming to Miami to retire in MLS.

Us.

Now he's on the big stage and he is showing who he is at 30. I'm going to call him 39 because June 24th he becomes 39. He's absolutely brilliant.

What a day for the World Cup yesterday. As you pointed out, the three— like, three of the biggest stars in the tournament shining for their countries. Just like if you were complaining about the World Cup in the previous few days, yesterday was just a chef's kiss. Yes. I cannot believe I'm a year older than Messi. That made me really sad. But how do you imagine World Cup— Inter Miami fans are thinking with Messi yesterday? You feel good about yourself being all stubborn with him a couple weeks back, not cheering for him. You have the best player on the planet. I know he's older, not technically the best player anymore, but he's still the best player on the planet. I just was laughing at inner Miami fans yesterday as he gets a hat trick in the World Cup because of their pettiness a couple weeks back.

Speaking of fans, Zaz, Norwegian fans.

Oh, Dan, I'm watching that Norway-Iraq game. Norway, they got great fans.

I got a list, Dan, of Zaz's great fans of the World Cup tournament. He said Brazilian fans he loved.

Oh, great fans. Colombian fans.

South Korean fans he loved.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mexican fans in the kickoff game, he loved them. Norway fans.

Colombia's tonight, Dan. That's when we'll learn about those fans.

I'll check the fans out. I'll let you know.

I'm sure you will like them as well. I promise you. When you mentioned the play from yesterday, Chris, did it say you're an expert on your father? The Greg Cody Show featuring Greg Cody. With.

With.

Produced by Yeti Blanc and Chris Cody. You're an expert on your father. You noticed, as I did, that your father was either very excited or almost nervous when talking about Messi and said that he was brilliant several times. Do you have an analysis from over there on what was happening with your father? Because he had the ball and it felt like he was speeding up and it felt like old man's enthusiasm, that he was just very excited.

Yeah.

To get to talk about Messi, and he just kept saying "brilliant" over and over again. And do I have it right?

Was it—

Was he working a pitch? Was he trying to use football, soccer terms?

First of all, you may not know it, the word "brilliant" applies. If you want me to be more analytical, this is a 5'8" guy who's one of the world's best dribblers. He keeps the ball close to his foot. It's a chess match out there, and he sees 2 moves ahead. Whether he's making a pass or whether he's on the receiving end of a pass, or as with one of his goals yesterday, he anticipated that a pass was going to be deflected and he was in position to punch in the deflection. He thinks like nobody else thinks, and that's why at age 39 he can still be brilliant. He's not as good physically as he was, but that too is part of his brilliance, and I keep using the word, because he also knows how to contain his energy by walking when necessary. He walks more than almost anybody else on the field. He does.

It's amazing. It is really amazing.

Put it on the poll @LebatardShow. Have you ever been amazed by a legend's walking? Because he mills about loitering more than anyone I've ever seen in soccer. Just sort of, you know, rummaging around, looking at the produce.

What's going on over there?

Checking an avocado, squeezing an avocado, just walking around, and then next thing you know, he sees something something no one else sees and he's scoring 3 goals.

Because he conserves his energy and so he has the burst. He has the 30, 40-yard burst for a guy his age, which is remarkable.

He actually had one like 10-yard burst where he was trying to save a ball from going out of bounds and my daughter, who's really into this World Cup, was like, whoa, that, like him sprinting was like a shocking thing to see because he uses it so frequently, infrequently.

How'd you feel about that? To play on, to play on.

To play on.

Because it's the opposite point that you're making when you, you know, the first thing you said.

When you dismount a point, you usually want to make the point you're making as opposed to the opposite.

I'm rattled because you listed me second after Yeti in the Greg Cody Show, so I was kind of rattled after that.

When we talk about the conserving of energy, I'm curious, have you guys heard in the analysis of the NBA Finals Have you guys heard anything about the analysis being tied to, instead of some sort of youth or mental frailty on the Spurs, the idea that you're not going to have your jump shot if you're really tired at the end of games at the end of a long season? Like, that it's not that the Spurs didn't know what to do at the end, it's that fatigue makes cowards of us all and they were more tired for whatever the reason is because Brunson is better at not being tired late in the game while people have talked about about Wemby's conditioning problems. I think I've told you before Michael Irvin's definition for discipline. When he was getting into all sorts of trouble off the field and people were saying distraction and idiot and doesn't have focus and doesn't care about football, what he said about discipline is, "No, man. Discipline isn't what I'm doing over there. Discipline is the fourth quarter. It's hot as hell. I've been playing all game against this guy and now there's a hard count and I don't jump offsides because the tired didn't affect my judgment.

Have you guys heard a lot about the idea from anywhere that the Spurs, at the end of a long season playing physically against that team, that it wasn't that they didn't know how to win at the end of all 5 of the games, it's that at the end of all 5 of the games they were more tired than the Knicks?

I've, I've heard specifically to Wemba Nyama that they, that the Spurs, Mitch Johnson, they did not do a good job preparing him for those minutes. I mean, he averaged like 29 minutes a game, I think, in the regular season, and he averaged 29 minutes a game the first 2 series of the playoffs as well. And then all of a sudden, starting against Oklahoma City, he's playing 39 minutes of the game. So I have heard pertaining to Wembenyama that they did not do a good job preparing him for that.

That's a great point, Zazz. And also, if you look back at what Mike Brown, and then even before that Tom Thibodeau, was able to do, he was able to grind the Knicks into 5, you know, you got your starters, you're gonna play 40-some-odd minutes. And that, that kind of grind, that kind of boot camp allows you to be ready for massive minutes late in the season.

Listen, people could say what they want about the way Pat Riley used to drill the Miami Heat in those days, but he did it so that the practices were harder than the game.

That sounds like a big excuse when you say that we were tired, or they were— you're giving them an excuse when you say they were tired, too tired to make a jumper. Both teams played 100 games, okay? Both teams played the same number.

Why can't it be an explanation though? Why does it have to be an excuse?

Because it's— because you have Wembenyama a few days ago saying something to the effect, I think we dominated a lot of that series, okay? I don't think you can say we dominated a lot of that series and then nod your head when somebody says, were you tired?

Ultimately, I saw someone say online that really the reason that Wemby was is because normally he goes to bed at 9 o'clock. We all talk about that. He goes to bed at 9. Roy, I know you were talking about it yesterday that you were struggling only working on 3 hours of sleep, and if Wemby's sleep was really thrown off, I mean, there's nothing better in the world than getting a good night of sleep. You know what? I think a good night of sleep, I think that's worth a toast.

A good 8 hours.

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Good 8 hours. Was like a shocking thing to see because he uses it so frequently. Infrequently.