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Our Show with the Stugats podcast. Notre Dame down 44 at home. This is on track. Not that Michael Shusbury wants to see this. To be Notre Dame's largest home loss since the fourth game in Notre Dame men's basketball history against the Chicago First Regiment. Sixty Four to 8 was the final score. Why are you getting so excited? Why are you getting so excited.

I'm 29, 1898.

Why are you getting so excited? Who is the Chicago First Regiment? Apparently, they had some hoopers on their squad.

Now see, that's nice, all right? She's the host of the Notre Dame podcast, The Echos, Out Weekly with Mike Golic Jr. She is Jessica Smetana. Jessica, that was not nice. Come on. That's not the way we want to welcome you onto the show. I apologize.

Guys, it's okay. I I did not think the Notre Dame men's basketball team was going to beat Duke last night without Marcus Burton and Jalen Harrelson. Even with Marcus Burton and Jalen Harrelson, I didn't think this was going to be a close game.

Not a great couple of weeks for Michael Shruesberg either, though.

I've talked about this extensively in my podcast, and I can probably guess there's not very many Notre Dame men's basketball fans that listen to this show, so I'll keep it brief. But it hasn't been a good season since Marcus Burton's injury, which is disappointing because they started out with a few pretty nice games, had a couple of good wins against Missouri and TCU, and then their best player gets hurt. And now their best freshman, who's the highest recruited player in Notre Dame history, is hurt with an ankle injury. And so I don't think Micah Schroesberry is going to get fired because I don't really think anyone wants to pay a buyout on a seven-year contract that he only signed three years ago. But it's been a really disappointing season, and it's a huge bummer for those few Notre Dame men's basketball fans out there that are still watching.

And besides, we're waiting for the main event to return. You root for the second best team in Indiana in football. So you got that still to come up.

This is not an open invitation to talk about Indiana football.

I would say... Hell, no. Also, Notre Dame women's basketball is having a pretty good year, despite the fact that this is not really the most talented roster they've had anytime soon. So this is primarily a women's basketball school. I guess we have to talk about them, too, or we'll get impeached. Why does everything need to be so negative? Everyone's looking for something negative to say all the time. Why everyone just wants to be negative now?

Jessica, what are you doing now? Every morning, you wake up and there's no more Olympics. You love the Olympics.

I'm going through withdrawal. I have to wait till seven o'clock to watch sports. It's bullshit, Zaz. I hate it. It's bullshit.

Which sport do you miss the most?

Curling. I mean, guys, the fact that this Canadian men's curling team the gold medal. Have you seen what they said after they won the gold medal and how just like, oh, my God. I had to look these quotes up and make sure they were real because they were so sassy. But one of the Canadian guys, he was the one that told the Swedish guy to F off when he got caught touching the stone.

Yeah, he was accused of double touch. Double toucher. Correct.

Cheat.

He said a weaker team would have felt flat on their face after the week they had. And Then another guy on the team said, For anyone who called us cheaters, for anyone who said negative things about Mark Kennedy, who was the other guy, about us, about Canada, about our families, I hope the image of us standing on top of the podium embracing one another, smiling ear to ear with our gold medals, is burned into your It was a rain forever.

Who knew there was so much shit talking with Carly? Seriously.

It's intense, and I really do miss it. I miss all of it. It was a really fun two weeks. I wish you guys cared about it. You would have had fun, too. I haven't done it once.

You can see it.

Is anyone here well-versed in Shuffle Board? Because I played Shuffle Board a lot as a kid.

Shuffle Board master. Right?

Yeah. It's close to Curling.

What is a lot as a kid?

You played it six times? No, it's every time I went to visit my grandparents. In Boca? They obviously had a clubhouse that had a Shuffle Board port.

I take it back. In Delray. I don't know Shuffle Board. What's the other one where it's like- The bar one? Yeah, where they got sand on it. Oh, I love that thing. That one, I'm a G at that.

With all the sand. We love it.

We all love it, but we can't name it.

What's it called? Shuffle board.

No, it's not Shuffle board. It's something hockey. Chris, I don't need to name it.

What are you talking about? I just go up there and play. Oh, this is called XYZ. No, just go out there and play. Flick that wrist.

Ain't that right, Jess? He's not taking a quiz. Exactly. I'm a Bocce guy, personally. Bocce runs in my blood. I love Bocce.

Smitana, the buzz of pro football right now, while the combine, which really should be pronounced the combine, because a combine is farming equipment that separates the wheat from the chaff. And that's a double entendre. That's what we're doing. Yeah, I know, but I'm not giving the NFL people enough credit for coming up with that. What they're really doing is a combine, which is a group effort with a single purpose. That's really what they're doing. But the Steelers are, apparently, your favorite pro football team, are apparently not in the market for a quarterback because they have volunteered that they're going to wait out the 43-year-old man who, in case anybody has amnesia, we already saw how far he can take that team, and it is not to the Super Bowl. Ergo, why would they choose to say in springtime, That's our plan again?

Because they're getting the band back together. I mean, we got Mike McCarthy now. Obviously, you've got to see how he does with Mike McCarthy because he couldn't win a playoff game with Mike Tomlin, and in fact, had one of the worst quarterback performances of all time against the Texans when they were in the wild card round a mere, what, six weeks ago. So now we have to do it with a different coach because obviously it's going to go better the second time when he's even older.

I detect some sarcasm in your voice.

Yeah, that was pretty sarcastic of me. I don't know.

What would you do, Smitana?

I can't deal with the Steelers right now. There's too much going on. There's this sad freaking monkey in Japan. Oh, my God.

Punch?

What happened? There's all this shit with the hockey team. I can't even begin to fathom the Steelers' quarterback situation right now.

Well, hold on, Jess. What happened with the monkey? It's a disaster.

Can I ask a question about the monkey? Can I ask a question about the monkey? Is the monkey the monkey or is it the stuffed monkey? No, No one ever clarifies for me which one is which. He's always like a punch, and it's always a real monkey and a stuffed monkey.

Punch is the real monkey. Do you know what monkey punch is, by the way? I googled how to pronounce this this morning. Please.

I know, but tell Tony.

He's a muckuck.

I beg your pardon. Everybody knows, You'll never call me a macuck.

Punch is the baby muckuck whose mother abandoned him, and the zookeepers gave him a stuffed monkey because he needed something to cuddle and to feel a connection with because he was lonely. And then at some point, I believe over the last week, the mother took him back and then rejected him again. It's a very sad situation. I believe that whichever CIA operative planted punch to take all of our minds off of the impending war and all of the other things going on, it's not working right. I don't have the bandwidth for punch right now. I keep seeing the punch videos. I'm like, I can't do this.

See, I totally disagree with you, Jess. What's the problem? All I All I want are the videos of this adorable little monkey. I would much rather- No, it's depressing. I would much rather invest my time in this than any of the other stuff that we're talking about, all of the negative things that are going on. This has been an emotional roller coaster. Because this poor monkey was rejected by his mother and then raised- What did he do?

What did he do? She went out for cigarettes and never came back. What does that mean?

No, this happens in the animal kingdom. The mother did not want to raise the baby. It happens in the human kingdom, too. That's bullshit. I don't like that. The human beings at the zoo raised this little monkey. When ingratiating him with the other monkeys in this exhibit, he was shunned and was just walking around sad with the a little plush toy. I don't like that. And then eventually was embraced. He was grimped. But then a couple of days later, there was a monkey that just swung him around like a crazy... Like a rag doll. Hold on a second. It was heartbreaking. We need to stop the train here. I think Greg Cody is pro this monkey being rejected. Well, I am. I'm looking at the monkey on the screen there. Ridiculous. Jump around, pushing everybody, leaping over rocks. Who wouldn't-Who's going to get an attack? Oh my God. They're bullying punch, and he runs back to the little plush toy. Look at Look at him go. He's like, I feel safe with this toy. I need safety.

Charles Darwin, look it up.

You are the one person, Greg, with the take of pro-rejecting this money. I'm with you, Greg.

Don't fold. I'm with you.

I mean, part of it is that my wife, over the past week, has forced me to look at-Oh, that's why. 15 or 20 videos of Punch the Monkey.

Exhausting.

I don't have the bandwidth for Punch the Monkey. Jess doesn't have time for Aaron. That's what I just said. My dad doesn't have time for this.

I don't have for Punch or Aaron, and I feel like they're going to end up taking Ty Simpson way too early.

Is Aaron the other monkey?

I hope they take Ty Simpson. Smetana has checked off a list of things that she doesn't have time for. She doesn't have time for the Steeler's quarterback thing. She doesn't have time for this monkey. We also know that she has a wealth of time now that the Olympics are over. What are you focusing on right now, Smetana?

Being engaged. Elisa Lou, the gold medal women's figure skater. She's the greatest. With the performance of a lifetime. I love this woman. She retired from figure skating at the age of 16 because she was this youth figure skating prodigy. She was landing all these jumps that no one else her age could land. And then she said, This feels like a chore. This feels like a job. I'm not having fun anymore. I'm retiring. She was in the 2022 Olympics and finished sixth, I believe, and was like, That was fun. I'm good. And then she decided, You know what? I miss skating. A couple of years later, and she came back and it was like she never left. And I wonder what the implications are on youth sports, because we always talk about baseball players in particular, how they have so much wear and tear on their arms by the time they're 20 years old and need to get Tommy John surgery and all this stuff. But she took two years off in her figure skating prime, when she was 17 to 18 years old, and came back and just won the Olympics. And she did it while not feeling as much of the pressure as a lot of the other skaters felt because she knew she was in it for her this time.

She was This is in her words. She was having fun with it and was able to really show her artistic and creative chops that she never really felt like she got to exercise before when she was just trying to win, win, win all the time. I think it's a lovely story, and she seems like a wonderful person.

What song would you go with if you were a figure skater?

I would definitely do something from Lord of the Rings. I would do something spooky. I mean, let's go back to football. Yes. That was exactly what I was going to say. I would do the Isengard theme. That would be sick.

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Dan Levatard. I don't think I ever got that many roses in my whole life. Stugatz. Certainly not from your lovely grandfather, God may us all rest in peace. This is the Dan Levatard show with the Stugatz. Do you think in your professional opinion, Jessica Smetana, that Jeremy Taché is successfully pulling off the Michael Douglas from Basic Instinct look? Saw the plot of that, by the way, Dave. The V-neck sweater without anything underneath it.

You know about that interrogation?

What do you think?

It's a little slutty, but I think it works.

Thank you. That's exactly what I'm going for.

Jeremy, you slut.

Is that the first time you've been called slutty before, Tashay? No.

Baby. I saw Jess that Lindsay Vaughn admitted... I mean, she's got extensive injuries to her leg, but that she admitted that there was a conversation about the possibility of her leg being amputated at one point. It's nuts.

I read a full description of her injury from a doctor in the New York Times this morning, and it made me so nauseous. It was horrific. They said that this is like, and this is not a surprise to anyone that follows what was happening, but they said it's akin to the type of injuries you get in huge car accidents, basically. But she had this complex fracture. Why was it so bad? Because she was going like 70 miles an hour. Yeah, I guess that's why. And she also got compartment syndrome, which is when you have a lot of blood in one area, and so it chokes off the blood supply to the rest of your nerves. And it said that if you have it really severe compartment syndrome, it doesn't respond to painkillers because it's nerve pain, which that sounds horrible. And that can lead to loss of a limb, I suppose, if it gets really severe and you have a lot of dead tissue. But obviously, not what happened because she got earlifted immediately to a hospital and all her surgeons were there. But it sounds horrific. And at the same time, she still has to get her ACL and her other leg repaired.

So I feel so bad for her. It just sounds like a freaking nightmare. And her freaking dog died while she was in Italy. So I mean, just the worst thing worst two weeks ever.

Wow. How did your dog die?

I think he was really, really old. It's an open case. And sick and died naturally.

I think Punch the Monkey killed him.

Punch the Monkey is innocent, Greg. I don't think so. Why you made him out to be a villain? He's a villain. I just don't have time to be distracted by punch right now.

Can I ask you a quick question? Getting back to Curling, which is at once the most interesting and boring sport in the world. I feel like- Yes, correct. What is the intrigue in curling for you? Because I feel like it's an Olympic sport where if I practice it for two or three days, I could curl as well as anyone there because it seems so simple- You know, they're all You are so- Yeah, I know. Even the brushing thing. You are so ridiculous. I could be an Olympic curler. It seems easy. Yes.

I would love to see you even try to bend down.

I would not love that. He would break a hip in about six seconds.

I would love to see him just do the push. Just bend down on one knee and do the push. I would love to watch you just do that part.

He can be the broomer. No, I'm with you, Greg. You don't have to be, Oh, I could play. I don't have to be the quarterback. I could be the kicker. I could be the punter. There's a lot of positions. You could be the broom guy.

I'm with you. Let me ask you a question.

You see him running on the ice with a broom?

Working it. Of course.

I use a broom frequently. Curl it. Curl it.

Okay. Listen, I don't need to watch downhill skiing or slope style or all these other crazy things constantly. Sometimes it's nice to just see people do something that's very easy to understand and conceptualize. And yeah, do they have to be... I mean, they are like world-class.

Dad, that's not how they do it. Can we show my dad right now? Well, now you're doing-I don't know what this is. That's his birthday.

He's doing the Greg Cody method. You know what, Chris? A lot of people looked at Reggie Miller and said, That's not how you do it. What did Reggie Miller do? He hit a shit ton of threes. Greg, I'm with you. Your style, your technique, the results are what matter. Yes.

I mean, it's the same reason people like watching darts or sports, even golf sometimes. I mean, there's times that I'm like, Yeah, I could make that put. Well, one thing- I can actually go out there and do it.

What is 100% true is that I could make the US bobsled team, and even easier than that now that I've looked at it. I mean, you could say no. You can be- Wrong. You can be skeptical, but I I would be on that team and I would be wearing a medal if the pilot and the guy in the fourth seat were skilled at what they do. You're just along for the ride if you're in the two and three chair. But even easier is the two-man looge because you don't even have to run in that. I could be the top. For real, what is the second guy doing in the two-person looge? Bottoming. You don't want to know. You can work blue or you can answer my question. What is that guy doing? I mean, really, he's the biggest fraud going in sports. What, Jess, could you do? What's that high-end? All I have is working with Chris. People love to do the sports that I could do for three weeks and make the team thing. What is the highest end on a field of play that you could successfully successfully complete. Because like I've said before, if you put me on the field with the NFL's best offense, best offensive line, and otherwise, I could lead a point scoring drive.

No.

Yeah, I understand. Yeah, I could. No. I like this guy.

I I think the sport I would least die doing would be playing soccer because I actually know how to do that. But in terms of just picking something up for the first time. I wouldn't be good at any of it, but I could do it. You know what I mean? I could do track and field. I'm not going to finish in any place.

Is there anybody here at this show who you would have better numbers at the combine or the combine then?

Probably everyone. I mean, let's be honest. One of us is in really good shape. I When's the last time this room collectively ran three miles? I did it this morning.

The combine does not run three miles. Nobody runs three miles.

Who are you talking to? But also, I just got back from running three miles right now, right before the show.

Look how far my reach is. Who would do the worst at the combine combine? I know I run a plus 6,40 second.

I don't want to say this while Greg's sitting right there. That's why I didn't want to say it's not nice.

Greg Cody could run like the wind back in the day. I could. He's like Terry Bradshaw. You can't compare errors. Okay, maybe you show some grace in everybody in their prime, everybody in their prime who would come up shortest. Oh, my God. Well, Jess, let me ask you this. Have you ever kicked a 50-yard field goal?

No, I've never kicked a 50-yard field goal.

You can make a 50-yarder? I have.

Is that a comment?

Is that a comment?

Yes.

And he wasn't a young man when he did it.

Well, I was. There's only one witness, Tal Habib. Head-on or soccer style? Head How's it going?

I probably could kick a 50-yard field goal. You think? I'll try it.

Well, give it a try. You're nuts. You're next to me on the show. We're going to have you do it. Smata is a high-end soccer player. That's plausible. That's true. She has a soccer background. I did this on our-It doesn't matter. A few years ago, I tried to say... What was this? The Chicago kicker missed a big playoff kick five or six years ago. It was like a 40. It's so hard. It was a 43-yarder. So I said on the show I could make it. You didn't even come close. No, I hit the crossbar. Really? You're not that hard. So you also doinked it.

I'm also I don't get too much grace from you.

One of our better athletes around here, but that's just... But it was hard. It was not easy. I hate to be a cynic, but I do not know that I can completely accept that Greg Cody, at any point in his life, made a 50-yard... From straight on. Head on field. I think barefoot, straight on. There are not very many human beings who could do that at any point. You're looking at one. You're looking at a club soccer goalie in Greg Cody.

I do remember one of my first days here last year, Tony, total sucker. Me? Real sucker behavior. Me? Yep, you were out in the field and you went to kick a field goal and you pulled your ham straight.

It was not a kicker. It was not a kicker.

Looking like a sucker.

I almost tore my quad off the bone. Of course, I couldn't walk for a month. Still, it happens. Here's the issue. Okay, here's the issue. You're not supposed to kick back to back to back to back.

Exactly.

You're supposed to kick once, Jack. Yes.

Not back to back. Maybe twice. Maybe twice. Exactly. They call a time out. Maybe twice. And even then, you got a little bit of a respit before you kick the second one.

Even if that were true- Five in a row. Even if that were true, you clearly didn't even know that. Again, sucker. Because if you knew that, you wouldn't have done it.

Put it this way. I was kicking them so far that we had to actually move it back to a 40-year field instead of a 30-year field because I was kicking it over the net. Mike Fuentes had to go to a house, knock on the guy's door, be like, Hey, the ball's in the backyard. Can I get to see? Yeah. It's embarrassing.

Nobody believes that.

Bring Mike Fuentes in right now. He'll tell you. Bring him right now. Where is he?

Fuentes.

Get in here, Fuentes. Everyone thinks they're so good at everything.

I was I'm going to tell you something about this. Someone needs to get fined.

Hold on. I missed it. I'm telling you, it's not that I was good. I just kicked it too far. Mike Fuentes, please tell them you had to go into a nice man's backyard. You brought Mike in. Yeah, of course, because you said it was a lie. Just like the short of glass. No, putting Mike Fuentes on camera is a fine. Someone's got to find him. I had to go to a guy's house and get the ball out of the backyard.

Thank you.

There you go.

These guys from the horse's mouth. I got to be perfectly honest with you. It's too many of you guys who are claiming you could do things that you definitely cannot. There has to be some type of fine, right?

As opposed to me. I'm finding Greg Five dollars saying that he could do- What? For lying. What he thinks he could curl. Damosheck, you're fined $5 for saying that you could be on the bobsled team, and Tony for saying shards of glass. I 100% could. Shards of glass. We're going back to the first hour. How are you going to claim that there was-I'm the best. It's my story. I'm the greatest Connect 4 player you'll ever meet. I'm the best order of food in a restaurant you'll ever meet. Hold on. I don't just shoot my mouth off.

Watch your ass on Connect 4.

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That's how it's done, Jess. How about that?

Juju just reminded me of something. We played pickleball against Chris and Roy and beat them 11 I knew it was a good one. Because pickleball was something I was going to say as a newer sport. I feel like in my prime-Yeah, Roy was terrible at pickleball.

To be fair, Roy was taking hacks at pickleball. I was hitting him against the wall. I was there. I never said I was good at pickleball.

Jess, we We didn't get to it last week, which may have been my fault. Do we have an Internet Minute for a take? Yeah, let's get to it. Are you all right?

Well, time to get in it.

It's- Jessicca's. Internet Minute.

Yeah, this one's bad. I wish Mike was here for this one because I know he's interested in this stupid topic. But there's this guy online who I think people became aware of a couple of weeks ago. His name's Clavicular. He's a streamer. He does this thing called looks maxing.

Yes, give the background of who this character is because I don't know what it is.

I don't know what this is.

The background is he's... I don't know how old he is exactly right now. Maybe 20. He dropped out of school He's making a ton of money streaming, and his whole shtick is that he is a quote, unquote, look smaxer, and he just does what he can to look super hot, I guess.

Yeah, including hitting himself in the jaw with a little hammer.

With had a little hammer, and taking a lot of drugs. That's part of it, too, allegedly, although I don't think it's alleged. And it's very, I would say, of our time. And I'm trying to explain this to people who aren't online who are like, Just ignore it. Who cares? I'm like, No, this is what's happening on the Internet now, especially with these streamers that are making tons of money and then going viral, singing inappropriate Kanye West songs in clubs in Miami. This is real life. This is very influential to young people, and they're starting to talk in ways that most people can't understand. What even is looks, max, or mean? But this is what the kids are saying now.

Well, can you get to the point where the ASU frat roll completely mauged him? Can you get to that point?

Because he didn't mention that. What does mauged mean?

Yeah, this ASU frat bro mauged clavicular a couple of weeks ago.

In the most embarrassing way possible.

I still don't know what mauged means. He keeps saying it. I don't know what it means. It means bested.

He showed him up.

Yeah. His physique was better. Clavicular was jester-maxing, I guess.

Yeah, jester-maxing.

It's bad. You know about that jester-masting? Greg, you're lucky your son is an adult. Zaz, good luck. Yeah. That's where this is.

But Jess, it used to be like, bad like good or bad like bad, and that's now how I feel. That's a jester way to say it. Like I'm an old dork, which in fact, I am an old dork. But really, explain these terms, jester maxing and such.

Okay, so maxing is like doing something… It is self-explanatory. At the beginning of the year, I was like, I'm fiber-maxing this year because the doctors are saying, We're not getting enough fiber. You're trying to get a lot of fiber.

That's why I eat Grapenuts. That's my favorite cereal, Grape nuts.

Well, Jester is clowning around. I'm clowning to the maximum amount of clowning around is what you're saying. Right.

Then there's Gooning, which is like wasting time doing something.

My son says that all the Wait, is Gooning not what I believe it? I think it's what you and I think it is.

But it's not part of maxing. It's not part of maxing, though. It's more than that.

It's the opposite of maxing. Guys, I hate talking. I hate all of this. You brought it up. Yeah, two Because I feel like we need to have an educational moment.

I don't know what gooning is, though. What does it mean? We'll talk to you about that.

I'll tell you later. Put that in the club.

Anyways, none of this is good.

Yeah, it's bad for society, all of us.

You could check Jess out Weekly Notre Dame podcast, The Echos with Mike Golik Jr. Good seeing you, Jess. We'll see you next week. Bye, Jess.

I hope she wants to talk about Aaron Rodgers. No, no, no. So the ASU Frat Bro has a better physique than Kalukier, right? Who? What? Shards of glass. Dan Levatard.

I don't like smetty either.

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I mean, you did a really good job earlier in the show today with NBA stuff, but I need you to help explain what's happening with the Indiana Pacers right now, because something took place yesterday with the Pacers that feels shocking. So Rick Carlyle, head coach of the Indiana Pacers, you may have seen... Look, the Pacers have been getting fined left and right lately. They got fined, what, $500,000 a few weeks ago for the nonsense with not playing players.

A hundred grand. It was the jazz that got the big one.

Oh, okay. So they got fined a hundred grand for that. And then they got fined a hundred grand again yesterday because... Same type of situation, because same type of situation because apparently they're sitting players, and the league felt that they should play them. And in this case, it was Aaron Nesmith, right?

Nesmith, that's a fine.

Aaron, is it? Yeah.

Yeah, Nesmith.

Aaron Nesmith. The league felt that he was supposed to play. The Pacers didn't play him. They got fined $100,000. And so Rick Carlyle was on a local Indianapolis radio show yesterday. And here is the Pacers' head coach talking about how ridiculous it is.

I put out a statement about it. I didn't agree with it. There was a league lawyer that was doing the interview that unilaterally decided that Aaron Neesmith, who had been injured the night before and couldn't hold the ball, should have played in the game, which just seems ridiculous. During the interview process, I was not on it, but I heard details. We asked them if they wanted to talk to the doctors, our doctors, about it because it's something that was documented by our doctors and trainers. They said, No, they didn't need to. They talked to their doctors who did not examine Aaron Neesmith. And we asked them if they wanted to talk to the kid, and they said, No, they didn't need to. This This was shocking.

This was shocking to me.

And during the interview, they also asked if we considered medicating him to play in a game when we were 30 games under 500. I was very surprised. Obviously, didn't agree with it.

The part that stands out the most to everyone, I would think, is the league wanting them to medicate the player and them deciding not to. That's the part that's going to open everyone's eyes with those comments, right?

Yeah. So we talked about this on Basketball Illuminati. That's a podcast I do with Tom Aviso. It's produced by Anthony Mays. Keep your third eye open. Say three times to keep your third eye open. Basketball Illuminati, Basketball Illuminati, Basketball Illuminati. Wherever you get podcasts. By the way, Jared Weis of The Athletic was our guest. So we talked about this concept, this idea that, again, I feel like a precog in the movie.

Minority Report.

Good movie. Thank you. It is suffering.

John Andatin.

To always live in the future and never be able to live in the present. When they announced the 65 game rule, I felt like a lonely voice in the echo saying, This is dumb and this is what's going to happen. Instead of compelling healthy players to play, all we're going to do is force unhealthy players to play. That's what the league was trying to do. It was definitely reactionary from Adam Silver's press conference and all the talk about tanking and all that, and the shenanigans Utah was doing. They wanted to lay hammers around on everybody. They're throwing out writing tickets for everybody.

He's lost right now, this Adam Silver. He's done nothing for so long that now it's like, Hey, I got to go so over the top with my reaction to things like this. Now you're seeing the reaction where Rick Carlyle is dispensing this information. This Adam Silver, he's lost.

Well, I would say he has not handled certain things to the best of his ability. This is one of them. Because, again, the problem with all of this, this is all stemming from load management. People like Mike Ryan just believe in, NBA players don't care about playing. It was never about that. Who is the poster child for load management? Kawhi Leonard. Kwhi Leonard, right? It started in Toronto. You know why they were load managing him? Because the dude was hurt. He was hurt in San Antonio. He was hurt in San Antonio. He got to Toronto, he really wasn't 100%. We saw it in that playoff run where he's literally dragging his foot. He can't even jump over this piece of paper, but he played and they won. Then obviously, he's got to figure out how to make himself available for the maximum amount of time. But somehow on the line, because this is where I'm critical of Adam Silver in the NBA, they allowed people to turn that into, he doesn't want to play. No, the dude is clearly a broken man. And in most cases that we're seeing, it is about, hey, how can I ration out what little health this guy has?

And so in this case, I think the damning thing is not only, well, could you just medicate him and throw him out there? That's crazy.

That's a thing to say.

That's crazy. But the fact that they would not examine him, that they did not look at the imaging or whatever, it turns into just, I don't give a shit. Make him play.

The NBA issued a statement to The Athletic.

It says- After Carlyle's comments, right? Yes.

It says, Coach Carlyle's description of the process that went into the decision to find the Indiana Pacers is inaccurate. An independent physician led the medical review. In addition, the Pacers general manager and the team's senior vice president, Sports, Medicine, and performance were interviewed as part of the process. The Pacers confirmed that it had provided all of the information requested by the league, and the team reported that an interview with Coach Carlyle or a team physician was not necessary.

This is what I know. On our podcast, we'll have guests all the time. We have Jeff Stott, the foremost injury expert. He's a certified athletic trainer. He's got a database that NBA teams pay him for access to about injury histories. We've had Dr. Brian Sutterer, who is a physician, who works up in Minnesota, I believe, and he does a lot of sports injury stuff. Whenever we ask them specifics about, Hey, what do you think about this injury? Do you think... They always preface it with, I can't say because I have not examined the guy. I can't tell you sitting here. I can tell you what historically these injuries take, what recovery times, whatever. But in terms of specifically what he's dealing with, without me examining him and having access to the imaging and all that, I would not feel comfortable saying these things. And so that's a really vague response by the league. What exactly was the information that they reviewed? What did they see? And what did they see that did not require them to either examine the patient or even speak to the patient, which is another part of it. It's odd. I don't know.

I'm with Coach Carlyle here. It seems like overkill, but this is where we're at, Zaz. You're right, because they We didn't do anything for so long. Out of control. Now we got to show people what we mean business.

Right. Yes. Reactive thing. But more globally, I guess, I guess the irony is at a time when There's some percentage of people that genuflect to the past. Back in my day, they used to play back to back to backs in the NBA. Why can't modern players do that? And the answer is, correct me if I'm wrong, Amin, much like starting pitchers don't go nine innings anymore like they standardly used to is because today's players are, in fact, red-lining every possession, every trip up the floor. They are going all out, 100%, whereas the players of yesteryear paced themselves out a little bit. Isn't that at the root of a lot of these, the ironic or otherwise discussions about these guys don't try as hard?

Yes. There are three things that work, at least in basketball. Number one is the mileage on these players Coming to our league is much higher than it's ever been before. Guys 20 years ago did not play high school, AAU basketball all summer long, 17 million games.

But can't we also say that now these guys don't go to college?

If you add up the reps played from youth all the way up to the start of their NBA career, regardless if you want to add college in there or not, it is much higher now than it's ever been. And also specialization. Back in the day, most of these guys were, Yeah, I'm also the star quarterback and the star shortstop. They don't do that anymore, right?

It's the Babe Ruth thing. Why did Babe Ruth hit so much? Babe Ruth was facing the same guy in the eighth ending that he was facing in the first ending, and that picture was trying to- Fourth time through the lineup, not third time. And that pitcher was on his 140th throw of the game. That's just not the way it is. They were pitching 400 innings back then. Right.

Again, I'm talking about before they even set foot on a basketball, an NBA court, they're already worn at a level that have never been worn before. Number two, the style of play. Because of the three-point shot, guys are closing out to further distances, and bigger guys are moving a lot faster, more agile. So there's a lot of change of direction. So there's a lot of undue pressure and stress on ligaments. Number three, and this is the big one, even if those things weren't true, if I went back to 1998 and decided to load manage Michael Jordan, guess what? He would have been even more freaking amazing. And at that point, everyone would have been like, Well, I got to do it, too, in order to keep up. Once someone starts doing it, for you to not do it out of toughness is actually a detriment, not an additive.

I want to make sure we end on a high note today. I have not done a good job of promoting this week's episode of The Greg Cody Show with Greg Cody. Specifically, I am most- Featuring. I am most interested in what catchphrase numbers we are at Where are we with the catchphrases? Top 50, which, of course, Greg does not have mapped out and is completely winging it. What numbers are we on right now in our top 50 Greg Cody catchphrases?

As he scrambles to look through papers. We're at numbers 36 and 35.

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