Transcript of Hour 2: Dave Doesn't Know Any Mariah Carey Songs (feat. Sara Civian) New

This is the Dan Levatore Show with the Stugats podcast.

You read her on Bleacher Report. She is one of the hosts of the Too Many Men podcast. She is Sarah Sivian. Sarah, hello. How are you today?

Oh, I'm fabulous now. How are you guys?

So help us out here with a conversation we were having earlier. You got to put in the politics part aside with Team USA winning, but USA, Canada, massive rivalry no matter what. Is there a scenario... Could Connor Halebuck, who was amazing and won the gold medal, is there a scenario where the home crowd could wind up booing him when he's introduced?

I think so. And it's not just because of the politics, right? It's because the amount of times he wasn't able to do exactly what he did in the playoffs, whether it's his fault or not. I do have problems with the way the Winnipeg Jets are structured. But beyond that, I think Jets fans are really frustrated with the way this season has gone, and they're frustrated with the opportunities lost when they had a heart trophy winning goalie.

What about Austin Matthews? Same situation, right? Where not winning big in the playoffs, wins a gold medal as the captain. Could they boo him?

They boo their own quite often. So I'd say they're more likely to boo. And they already got the headlines coming out that he's a traitor. So it is what it in Toronto, as always.

The conversation is going to be whether Connor McDavid likes it or not, whether or not he can make a Stanley Cup run with his pals up there in Edmonton this springtime, and especially coming off of losing the gold medal game. What odds do you put on their ability in what feels like a top-heavy Campbell conference? I'm not going to call it the West. It seems like there are a couple of real heavy ones.

But you know, by saying that, Campbell, and then saying you're not going to call it the West, you are calling it the West. I know.

Now I'm being cute. You're right. I'm being cute. I'm being self-aware. But nevertheless, Sarah, I'll say you? Yes.

Nevertheless, the current playoff format is going to sting them there because you look at how hard it is to get out of the West, right? With the central division, The top three there. But then again, they might eat each other alive in the first round. So I think that actually might give the Oilers in the Pacific a better shot, but they have to get past, of course, the Golden Nights. Then there's a few younger teams coming up. I don't know. The Kings are flailing in there without Fiala now. So I think McDavid, he's so motivated to get it done. He has that Bridge deal. I could see it happening at the same time. The goal tending, it's improved since Skinner's gone. But can you really say that? Has it, though? I don't know. Has it gotten better with Tristan Jari, with whom I'm quite familiar? Yeah, right. I think it was a decent change of scenery, but I don't have a lot of confidence in him getting to a Stanley Cup and winning it, right?

So with the season starting back up, Last night, following the Olympic break, you got some of the Team USA players have spoken, have been talked, have talked about the whole, the controversy surrounding the joke about the women's national team and Trump on the phone when they're celebrating. Let's give this a listen here. Here's goalie Jeremy Swayman, talking about how they probably should have reacted differently to that phone call. End joke.

Should have reacted differently. We know that we are so excited for the women's team. We have so much respect for the women's team, and to share that gold medal with them is something that we're forever grateful for. Now that we're home, we get to share that together forever and see the incredible support that we have from the USA and sharing this incredible gold medal.

Sarah, your thoughts there?

Yeah, that's all we needed, right? You just wanted one apology, one admittance of, Hey, we should have handled that differently. No one was saying They were even... I mean, I guess there were some really intense reactions, but people are just a little fed up with this whole it's a joke thing. So I think just admitting, Hey, the joke was in bad taste, and now it has spawned this whole conversation. What Swayman did help Let's quiet that and get the focus back on how dominant these two USA teams are and how much they deserve to actually be celebrated.

Well, Trump in the State of the Union said that he's going to invite the women's team to the White House. Do you think they will accept that invitation?

No, I think they're focused on positivity. I think the statements some of them made, while they weren't extremely negative, I think that was by design. I think it was, Hey, we want to party with flavor, flavor. He celebrated us, Go where you're wanted, not I'm sorry, you're tolerated.

Okay, so with that said, US women's hockey captain is Hillary Knight. Here she is on Trump's comments.

No, I just thought the joke was distasteful and unfortunate. I think just The way women are represented, it's a great teaching point to really shine light on how women should be championed for their amazing feats. And now I have to sit, and anybody has to sit in front of you and explain someone else's behavior. It's not my responsibility disability. But what is shifting the focus and shifting the narrative of this amazing accomplishment that we all did together. And granted, the men's and the women's team did it together, and that is super special. It's never been done in our program's history. It's something we're extremely proud about. But these women are amazing, and whatever is going on shouldn't never out shine or minimize their work and our success on the world stage. This was the best American women's hockey team, the best American team we've ever put together on a world stage when the lights have been the brightest ever. And so I think everybody felt that going through the tournament. I want to celebrate. I want people to be remembered for that. I want the legacy of this team to be remembered. And so that's what I'm trying to shift the narrative on and really focus and championing what we've done and what we've accomplished the last two and a half weeks together.

Sarah, you're obviously a huge hockey fan. When the joke was made in the locker room, the players laughed, your immediate reaction was what?

Just sick of it, right? I mean, you don't want this to get political, right? It was like we were all enjoying and unified as a country enjoying this moment and the dominance, and we did it for the first time in 46 years to the day. Then they let the FBI director in the locker room, and this happens because the director, Cash Patel, was using this as a political moment to make it that. I don't know if Team USA understands that's what happened. That's why they are saying, Hey, we didn't want this to get political. This isn't about politics. I genuinely believe that they didn't want that to happen, but regardless of if they understand it or not, it did. So it was really frustrating to see that. Hi.

I feel... Oh, man.

Coming at you, Cash.

So let me ask you, Sarah, I feel like we do this Now, all of us here, big hockey fans. All right, so we get it. We're watching the games. It's the greatest sport. It's so much fun. The players love it. The players care. It's what separates it from the other sports, in my opinion. But I wonder, we had the Four Nations face-off last and everyone's like, Oh, my God, this is so amazing. I didn't realize how great hockey is. And then you have the Olympics. Oh, my God, this is so great. I didn't realize how great hockey is. When are we going to get to the point that all those people who didn't realize how great hockey is, like the NHL in hockey now actually ascends in this country. We're all acknowledging how amazing the sport is.

I will say, to a sports fan that is a fan of other sports except hockey, I think the frequency of hockey is a lot and You look at the games, they're not all best on best, right? And there's 82 of them. And there's maybe the rules with overtime. I'd see a little change in that could be helpful where it's more than ever this season, teams are chasing a loser point. The third period is an absolute dud. I think switching that up a little bit might honestly help.

I think people struggle legitimately with the fundamental element of hockey being played on ice. I sincerely believe that we forget that for long stretches of time, years on end, even, that it's like whatever the activity is, also, here, take a stick and then hit the circle into the net thing. Also, do it on skates. Every activity would be much more difficult if you had him do that. Talk about, though, the guys wearing the skates on the banks of the Three Rivers, no '87 for the next four weeks or so. What chances do you give them of surviving a gauntlet of a March schedule?

My goodness. I mean, you saw even the best of the best offense in Team Canada fall apart without their leader, right? The way they were playing with Crosby was significantly different than without Crosby. And I think, unfortunately for Pittsburgh, you're going to see a little bit of that unless you get some stepping up. But this team was never really meant to... I mean, Malkin has been amazing this season, too. So maybe you'll see him pick up the slack in one of his last seasons. I don't know, but it's going to be really tough without Crosby. Who was leading leading the team before he got injured. It really stinks that this is the case. And I'm sure he's more frustrated than anyone, but we saw that video of him taping a youth hockey player stick yesterday. So he's just one of the best people ever. And I hope he has a speedier recovery, but it's not looking like that. And of course, they're right in the mix in the playoffs, and nobody thought they'd be. So kudos to him, but we'll see what happens.

They're loaded up in the forward group at minimum. Sarah, everybody, when I try to make a hockey point, they point and laugh at me. So I'll turn to your expert insight instead. I contend that if John Cooper were given a choice before the gold medal game, give me the players that are essential to you to have dressed for this game. I think he would have gone Kael Mekar, one, and Crosby, two, before he gets to McDavid or anyone else. How say you? Mike Ryan disagrees with that opinion.

I think Maclin Celabrini was so fast in the three on three, if we're talking about that. I think you need the speed. I think- Oh, no, I'm talking about just dressing, period, for the game. Crosby, you think he should have tried to play?

I think if he had a choice, I think it was a death now for the Canadians to say, We don't have our captain available for this big game.

I think this is one of the hardest questions I've ever been asked because I- Good job, Dave. In retrospect, since they lost, I'm going to say yes. But at the same time, I think Crosby would do everything humanly possible to play. So the fact that he didn't means that he really couldn't, and he would have been a detriment to the team.

The Maple Leaves return home on Saturday against Ottawa. What do you think Austin Matthews, the reception is going to be for him?

Oh, it's tricky. I think the Leaves fans right now want a playoff push and they are in a position where they could have a good trade deadline and could make a playoff push, I think they're going to rally behind their captain who is playing quite well for them before the break. But I think in general, in Canada, it seems like a lot of angry people. So I'm very curious to see what the reception is Canada-wide, right? But I think if any of the teams don't make the playoff, it's going to be a lot of retrospective booze. I'm not sure if the booze are going to rain down quite yet during these payoff races.

Sarah, let me ask you something really important here. If a team wins the Stanley Cup this year, but they didn't have to play and beat the Florida Panthers because the Panthers had missed the playoffs, should there be an asterisk?

We're already doing the Carolina Hurrican's asterisk, aren't we? That gives them a clear path, finally, without the Big Bad Panthers. So I think no. I think these guys, it's just a testament to a late delayed cup hangover, all of the injuries. But guess what? They reported today that everybody's healthy and ready to make this trip, or at least ready to make the upcoming road trip except Barkov, and he will be skating in a few weeks. So maybe the Panthers sneak back in and annoy us all again.

Do you expect Matthew Kuchuk to be skating with a hangover tonight? I got emotional. I get very emotional.

I think Matthew Kuchuk, I get very emotional.

What's done for our country?

Nothing makes me more patriotic than Matthew Kuchuk partying at Elbow Room. Genuine, that's how I want him to handle this. So I say he's deserved the hangover, and I think nobody plays her better than him. So I don't care. Bring on the hangover.

Dave, how about we introduce Sarah to our new game, Hockey Player or Prescription?

Sarah knows it's a global sport. She understands the Scandinavian names have really jazzed up the sport. Let's do that. A lot of them sound like prescription drugs, Sara. You're an expert on the NHL. Let's see if I can dupe you here. Kobenfi. Kobenfi.

Prescription.

Hold on. Black Cox goal tender, Zack Kobenfe, or Schizophrenia treatment Kbenfi.

That's going to be a Schizophrenia treatment for sure.

Imagine what could be Kbenfi. We've really crossed the line when we're doing positive jingles about Schizophrenia. And yet I still want to be the people in the commercial because their lives appear to be much better than mine is. Well done, Sara. While you sit and watch, Chris Cody is having a tough morning so far here. Anybody who remembers the lions, knows what I'm talking about here. Quickly, Sara, you can coach him here. The answer is Pareco. Pareco. Sizeable St. Louis Blues defenseman, Colton Pareco. Or chronic bronchitis treatment, Pareco.

I think a lot of people on that roster are suffering from bronchitis from how terrible this season has gone. But that is, in fact, a Blues defenseman.

All right, let's hear what Chris thinks.

Lions.

Wow, it is a Blues defenseman. Excellent job. That's a good game, Dave. Hockey player with prescription. Good music, too. Yeah, you pat yourself on the back for that one. Sarah Sivian, you could check her out on Bleacher Report and the Too Many Med podcast. She has a sub stack, The Civ Report. Good talking to you, Sarah. Great name.

One more question quickly. Sarah, who's the biggest name that's going to be moved at the trade deadline?

I mean, it was already Quin Hughes. That doesn't count. I'm going to go Vincent Trochek, former Panther.

Where? Where do you think?

To the Wild. I mean, Bill Garen has seen enough.

All right. Good job, Sarah. Thanks for hanging out.

Thanks, Sarah.

Anytime. Thanks so much for having me. Bye, guys.

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Don Levatard.

I saw a post on Twitter yesterday-Thank you. How the Toronto Maple leaves, that they won the division. Guess what? It's been two years, and that's two years too long. Stugatz. You could take that ass, too. We're taking two asses.

This is the Dan Levatard show with the Stugats. Can you guys We'll see this, I think a couple of days ago, maybe a day ago, two days ago, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame announced their nominees for the year 2026 of Our Lord.

I did not know that we are still doing the thing where, hold up, these groups or musicians or singers, it's not rock music. So why are they being inducted potentially to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I thought, for instance, some of the names on here, Mariah Carey, Lauryn Hill, New Edition. Shade. These are not- Pink. These are not Rock Ax. But I thought we had this conversation like, years ago. We're doing it again?

I can't believe that we're here again. They reheat this like every five years. So I'm right.

We did do this already.

We always do this.

It's Jean Simmons' fault.

It should be the Music Hall of Fame. I don't care.

It should be the American Music Hall of Fame.

Then they get the Beatles out of there and the Rolling Stones. Okay.

No.

Yes, I'm with you.

Let's get them out. It's a global thing. Like many of these great bands are not from the US, and that's fine. Music is a global thing.

I feel like it's implied at this point that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is just the Music Hall of Fame, right? Yes.

I don't understand why we're all getting upset about it.

Was it a little bit of a weird thing at first when the non-rock act was nominated, inducted? Yeah. And that sparks a valid conversation. How many Americas we talking here, Roy?

About five. Yeah.

I just feel like we settled on this a while ago. It's just great musical acts.

I legitimately also think that it's the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Because it's in the United States, like we talked about yesterday or the day before, you run out of gas if you're trying to focus on just US bands in rock and roll, because even though rock and roll, much like jazz and otherwise, and hip hop start in the US, the Brits alone have beaten us at our own game there. Beatles, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin all come before the first American band, you would say. But, Roy, you push back a little bit on that idea. Who's the greatest American band of all time?

Well, I mean, first of all, the Rolling Stones, they base their music of Blues, which originated here.

They all did. It doesn't matter. They're from over there. They're from there. Come on.

Whatever. As far as band is concerned, I wouldn't say Earth, Wind, and Fire. I'm going off from my perspective, Earth, Wind, and Fire, Maze, Cooling the Gang, that thing. But that's what I grew up on. Did you have Roy being a guy who the first band that he mentions that he loves is Earth, Wind, and Fire?

Sure. He strikes me as an old soul. Okay.

Why What is that? Let's explore.

I'm just asking. That's all. I didn't expect it.

So apparently 10 to 12- What did you expect? Apparently, 10 to 12 committees make it. So I don't know.

Is there- Okay, so hold on a second. You're telling me there's a certain number of committees that it can't go over.

So out of all these names, I'm going to rattle off the entire list, some of these names conceivably won't get in. The Black Crowes, Jeff Buckley, Mariah Carey, Phil Collins, Melissa Etheridge, Ms. Lauren Hill, Billy Idle, In Access, Iron Maiden, Joy Division, Slash, New Order. They're going in as- I don't even know who that is. You don't know Joy Division? I don't think so.

You don't know New Order? Well, that's the same thing, clearly.

No, it's not because they have a different- That's Joy Division. And then the lead singer of Joy Division took his own life, and then they became New Order, which was a little bit more poppy. You know Bizzard Love Triangle? I don't think so. It's a... Every time I see you... You did this the other day where you didn't know who the Smiths were. No, I absolutely know who Smiths are.

I did not recognize that that was a Smith song.

You not knowing who Joy Division is is just crazy. All right, keep going. We move on. New Edition, Oasis, Pink, Shade, Shaqira, Luther Vandros, and Wu-Tang Klan.

You're telling me not all of them can get in, only a certain number can get in in a specific year. I also wonder, what is the time frame? Is that be 20 years after your first album release or something like that?

I guess because some of these names don't feel like they've been around all that long. Shaker doesn't feel like she's been around like that. What?

She's definitely 20 years.

No, I know. I know. Listen, I had the box down in Kendall. I remember Ojo Sasi.

You know about those hips?

Okay, but if we're doing... If we're going away from it being rock bands, is John Coltrane in? Because if you I have said many times before, we need to move all existing Halls of Fame up to where they belong on Mount Pius, since we have rules about whether or not Barry Bonds is allowed to be in there, the Hit King, and so on. I love Pius. But what we would need to do is replace all those Halls of Fame with the Hall of All and start fresh. And with what would be the inaugural class. Let's say it's the 20 greatest athletes, regardless of how they behave themselves off our fields of play, who would go in. One of those names would certainly be Babe Ruth, right? So you got to start at the beginning. And if you're now opening this all up-How many slots do we have? If you're, let's say, 20. Babe Ruth? I don't know. You don't think Babe Ruth would be one of the three best baseball players? I'm not sure. Willie Mays. Barry Bonds. Babe Ruth, I think would be- Or Shoheya O'Tani?

I can't believe he doesn't know who Joy Division/New Orleans.

Oh, whatever. I will lose no sleep.

That's crazy. You're a music guy. Is he a music guy?

He's not a music guy. He's a Pearl Jam guy. He's not. Pearl Jam guy.

John Coltrane is a Rock and Roll Hall of Famer, but here's what they need to do with the nominees. It's not even about merit. It's we need to make Camp Miss television. You need to put Mariah Carey in with all the other deans. Absolutely. You need to put Mariah Carey in with Ms. Lauren Hill. Absolutely. You need to put her in with Shade, Shaquira, and Pink. That needs to happen.

Okay, hold on a second.

Yes to all of them.

All those you think are shoe-ins for the whole thing?

No, I don't care.

He said, What about Pink?

No. They all need to be in there to see how Mariah responds to this.

Oh, okay.

Yes. We're trying to make a television event. First off, we don't know what time Lauren Hill is showing up, all right? She may or may not decide to go, all right? And then you got Shade, who's got this air of mystery around her, doesn't do a lot of public appearances, and you got to have Mariah Carey there confronting all these people. Who does she have respect for? Who does she not have the time of day for? I'm telling you right now, there's no way she likes pink.

Mike, Mariah Carey, though, should be a shoe-in, right?

So many number one hits.

Mariah Carey. Christmas song alone.

Hold the phone.

Showing your ass there, Dave.

Dave Dameschek, what are you doing that face for? Mariah Carey, what are you talking about?

I find her, at minimum, I find her Christmas song overrated. Christmas song gets paid a lot. It's not the greatest Christmas song of all time.

There's no people want to make it. In the '90s, she had chart tapping hit.

You know that song she did with ODB? Come on now.

What? What are you doing? What? I don't know Mariah Carey's song.

You're a Mariah Carey catalog. We could tell. We could tell. Showing your bear ass. What are you talking about?

I don't know what song Mariah Carey sing.

This is my saying, Who's this Michael Jordan? I keep hearing about.

Mariah Carey is on that level?

Absolutely. Yes. You don't know about One Sweet Day? Guys, guys, guys. Put up the photo. They don't have Mariah Carey in communism. What are you guys doing? In communism. In communism, they don't have Mariah Carey.

They have whatever it is.

There it is.

Do you listen to the Soviet national anthem every day?

I'll tell you, sing a Mariah Carey song for me.

If the video team is going to put up a shot of Mariah Carey, it's going to be Prime Mariah Carey.

I know you're standing down on me from heaven. Like so many friends we lost along the way.

I swear I have no idea what that song has.

And I know eventually we'll be together.

I think the worst sweet day. Means nothing to me. I think the single worst stretch of music, a genre of music that was popular was the so-called new metal, corn, and all of that was just atrocious. Second for me, '90s RnB, and I assume that's what you're putting it into. Shoo-mi-doop, bah.

Shoo-mi-doop, I don't know that song. You'll always be a part of me.

I like RnB. I don't like '90s RnB.

Why don't you know you can escape me? Oh, darling, says you'll always be, my baby.

You and I.

I know you'll always be. You and I.

What a catalog.

Color Me Bad. You want to do that, too?

And then a hero comes along with the strength to carry on.

You don't know this song?

You never went to the dentist?

That one rings about- You have dirty teeth.

You never went to a dentist. And you know you can't survive.

Sorry.

I mean, so far, I'm over 3, 0 for three, 0 for four. Keep on singing.

With my boyfriend, my lovely boyfriend.

So far, I don't feel like I missed the one.

Dealing I'm not sleeping. What you're going to do when you get out of jail? I'm going to do a remix. That was Diddy's part.

She had done that.

Somebody needs to make you Mariah carry mixtapes.

Man, me and Mariah, we go back like babies and pacifiers. Odb. Sag mal, Nikola, hast du auch immer dieses Gefühl, bei der Steuererklärung mit einem Bein schon im Knast zu stehen?

Boah, nee, gar nicht.

Wieso Steuer ist so die Steuer-App, mit der ich wirklich nichts falsch machen kann?

Wow.

Das heißt, damit ist alles sicher?

Ja, genau.

Wieso Steuer ist die Steuer-App, die dich versteht.

Weil Steuer betrifft ja dein ganzes Leben. Arbeit, Kinder, Partner.

Du kannst nichts falsch machen. Stimmt. Nice. Fühlt sich gar nicht wie Steuern an.

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Don Levatard.

John Zaslow, how you love that catchphrase.

Bad news for opposing teams in the Triple A. Stugats. These are smiles till the bloods are clutch again, clutch again, clutch again. This is the Dan Levatard Show with the Stugats.

Why are you guys shooting? The other ones you mentioned there, the other pop acts. Why are you so obsessed with me?

But I want to know. Lying like you sexing me. I want to know.

Lying. Cody?

Who else is a shoe-in on this list? Lauryn Hill. Lauren has a shoe in? I don't think so, man.

She had one-I don't like the album.

It's quite possibly the most complete album ever created.

But she had the one album. This isn't Lauren Hill as a member of the Fugees. This is just Ms..

Lauren Hill. That album, There's two of these.

I know Jeff Buckley had another release, but Jeff Buckley had the one album, and I'm a huge Jeff Buckley guy. I don't think he drowned, and I don't think he gets in just because he didn't do it long enough.

This is the second time in a month that I've heard Jeff Buckley. They mentioned to me on Cinephobe, I didn't get the joke because I didn't know who Jeff Buckley was, and then I got ashamed for it because it's too americous.

Not as bad as we just ashamed Dave.

I'm not embarrassed.

I don't know why- If it hurt your feelings.

No shame. You're happy for the deflection. Joy Division.

I'm not ashamed of that. I don't care.

You should be. It's like the most popular rock tea ever.

Hold on a second. If I walk downstairs right now outside this building, I stop whoever it is walking there and say, Yo, you know about that Joy Division? Or order? They're not going to have a You didn't know either of them.

Not going to have a clue. New Order did a residency here for a week at the Filmore. New order is huge down here.

The fact that I have no idea who they are, definitely not getting in the Rock Hall.

This guy doesn't know any Mariah Carey songs. What are we doing here? Not one?

Joy Division, New Order, definitely getting in.

Yo, stop trying to make Joy Division a thing, all right? They were a thing on their own.

They were a thing. They were doing that in 2026.

Wu-tang clans are shoeing, right? Yep. Shoeing. Have to be.

You heard of them, Dave Damosheg?

I know the Wu. You know about that cream? I've seen the Wu live more than once.

You know about that 36 Chambers?

I know about Cream. Yes, I know about them as well.

I can't sleep at night.

No, no. Them. That's not them. When you're on on my mind, Robin Womack's on the radio singing, If you think you're lonely.

Now, wait a minute. This is too deep.

Too deep.

I got to be honest.

I got to take a second and I'm amazed by this.

Got to break and then I hear a baby face. I only think of you is breaking my heart. Trying to pull together, but I'm falling apart.

You're in a race against time, though. You got to get Phil Collins in. You have to. Phil Collins. Lock. Yeah, because he's not doing well.

Hold on. Why is he a lock if he continues to not get in?

Because they're haters in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

So then he's not a lock. Well, he's not well. He should be a lock. I think is what Mike is saying.

He's not well, and they need to do this right now. Remember when Vader was like, Get me into the WWE Hall of Fame. I don't have much time And then they missed it. That was very sad for Big Van Vader.

How are they...

Hold on. Why are they cock-blocking my guy Phil Collins? That guy's amazing.

I don't get it.

He's got hit after hit after hit.

They don't make music like that anymore. He would do the concert See if people in a dress shirt. Yeah. He was- Tucked in. He would do it on the job.

Just say the word. I didn't go to a dentist.

You guys have that in comment. You went to a dentist at least once in your life.

So we have three locks.

Mariah.

Phil Collins and Wutang. I don't know if anyone else there is Wutang.

All right. Is Wutang more of a lock than Shade. Yes.

Get out of here. No.

What are you kidding me? No. What do you mean no?

Shade is going in before Wutang. Look, this is what I'm going to say. I'm surprised Shade is not already in.

I'm stunned by that.

I'm surprised she's not already in. By the way, she's an incredible live act. I've seen her live.

Oasis going to get in, right?

They're a lot. They don't talk about one album. Oasis does not deserve to be in.

Oasis does not deserve. They don't.

I don't respect your opinion on English music, considering you stay away from Manchester. Just stay away from the city of Manchester. You don't know anything about Manchester music.

You just went through a whole deal about how Lauryn Hill has one album. What's the difference with Oasis?

Oasis has two albums. Oasis was... I'm willing to hear an argument on Oasis.

Not That's the argument.

Okay. But if you're going to use that argument, then I'm sorry, Jeff Buckley. Tragically, you're not going to make it. I'm sorry, Ms. Lauryn Hill.

Go back just a second. What is the band? Because I honestly am at most half interested in who's in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, because as we have established, it's fraudulent.

Why is it fraudulent?

Who is the looming band out there that people are saying, How is this band not in yet? Because there's got to be, I just said John Coltrane, you said he is in. Is Miles Miles Davis in?

I would pet my life. I would pet my life that Miles Davis is in.

Because at minimum, you have to backfill the ones you missed before the existence of this Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. You need to start with the people you missed in the '20s, '30s and up to- Miles Davis is, by the way, in Inducted in the same year as John Coltrane, 2006.

I'm glad we saved Mike's life.

I also didn't need the LeBron shoe experience to know that I'm washed. He was watching the last Rock and Roll Hall of Fame thing, which was awesome. But one of my favorite bands ever got inducted. I was like, I was in high school when I was loving this band. I'm that old one for the White Stripes when the White Stripes got in.

Are you surprised that Iron Maiden is not in?

A little.

Here is Iron Maiden frontman, all right? He is called Bruce Dickinson. And here he is speaking about-Calking the walk, baby. Here he is speaking about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I actually think the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is an utter and complete load of bullets, to be honest with you. It's run by a bunch of sanctimonious bloody Americans who wouldn't know rock and roll. If it hit them in the face, they need to stop taking Prozac and start drinking effing beer. I don't think he cares about getting in.

I don't think anyone should care. It's in Cleveland, guys. We've been there.

Outkast is not in.

For me to go, you're not. For me to be inducted, I have to go to Cleveland?

I mean, it's got a couple of things going for it, and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is one of them. I will say I enjoy the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Is Andre 3000 in as a solo artist?

I mean, he just had... You want to talk about... Well, he does have two albums, technically, because Speaker Box Love Below was- Is two single albums in one double album. I can't believe that flute album got nominated. What are we doing?

That's when people are trying to fort each other. Oh, I'm cultured. I like this because it wasn't even good flute music.

It was bad. I did not enjoy it.

There are flutes who are like, Are you kidding me? I spent my whole life, and then this guy picks it up, and it's like me playing harmonica. It's just...

Yeah, In Excess, I think, has been a nominee for a while. Yeah, it's enough. You know about them?

You don't think they're good? Of course. They're not a Hall of Fame. Whatever.

That's not a Hall of Fame band. It's a great song. Great.

Anyone who has a great song gets in Rock Hall of Fame?

Well, I mean, In Excess does have a couple of decent albums. I have to go back to what I said, was it yesterday or two days ago? I'm going to stand by, even though I Got some flak for it on social media. R. E. M. Is the best American band. I just think that's who... In terms of influence- Did Greg call them niche?

You're one of those. In terms of influence- I knew it. I could tell. You like fish or something like that, too. In terms of influence. I like fish.

I don't like fish. Who I could tell. Grateful Dead would be in the conversation.

Oh, Jesus. I'm going to ask you from a naive standpoint, please explain to me who R. E. M. Has influenced.

They basically are primarily responsible more than any band is for the so-called college radio, all rock, so on and so forth. Shiny, happy, people. That's a terrible song.

I think they birthed college radio. I know that from that part of the country- I remember he had the hat and he looked like an idiot. It was a big deal. And they were considered a college rock band.

Their best records had already happened by that.

I'm sorry. They were considered a college rock band, but you're giving them all of college radio.

Who then went mainstream. They transcended that marginalizing title. Like, yeah, it's a kids at a certain age will vibe to this sound into something that became top 40 music. A lot of bands chase that success.

Their influence is not actually musically.

It's just what they did. They're great musically, yeah.

No, but which band is like, You know what? We want to be like R. E. M. What he's saying is like, Little Richard, for example, directly influence the Rolling Stones.

They're like, We want to be like Little Richard. That's influence, not like, Hey.

Who's saying, I want to be like R. E. M? It could be like a My Coldplay?

Listen, I'm out of my depth a little bit, but I would think that you would be hard-pressed. I bet you if you were able to talk to Kurt Cobain and Eddie Vetter and so on, they would say, There is no us without our yet.

My favorite American band- Peter Buck is spectacular, objectively speaking. What do you do with Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers? I love them.

They're great. They're in the conversation. Darryl Smith? I guess Bruce Springsteen. Tom Petty the Heartbreakers E Street Band. That feels like- E Street Band does not count.

E Street Band does not count.

They're in the Sportswriters Hall of Fame. Put Bruce Springsteen in the E Street Band in the Sportswriters Hall of Fame.

I hear you. In fact, that's considered a hot take. I am partial to Tom Petty over Bruce Springsteen. Hell, yeah, brother. I don't think that he would be in the minority in that.

You know what I'm going to say? If we're talking about Greatest American Band, it can't be So and So and the So and So's. It can't be that. It's got to be a band.

Well, the Heartbreakers are a band.

Name a second Heartbreaker.

John, there was a mic There's a Mike.

The narcissism to do that, by the way, the Dave Matthews Band, who's the greatest violator of this of all, is Alvin with the two other chipmungs. But you have to have low self-esteem to be one of the other two chipmungs. Alvin's going to front the band. Yeah, he gets name checked. We're just the two chipmungs. You're magical chipmungs, too. You can sing in human words. Why are you not honoring yourself, demanding that Alvin give you equal time? No, no. It's going to be Alvin and my two friends who also happen to be less magical chipmungs than I am. But they're in the band, too. I think it's a disgrace on Alvin's part, but also the other two, what are their names? Theo, Theodora. That's what happened. Well, I'm glad you guys could do it. They dishonored themselves and their families by not requiring it. No, Alvin's got a big head. Just let him do it. Let him do it, Theodore. Shame on all of them.

Well, to be fair, Simon is a nerd, and Theodore is overweight, so they are low self-esteem.

All right. You want to make excuses.

Similar with Hoody and the Blowfish. He just himself, Hoody, and then you got the blowfish.

He's not even hoody. What do you make of what ELO has done?

Underrated band.

Yes, I understand that, but they started as ELO, and then it's like, Jeff's like, Let me put my name on there.

I'm in the front. Oh, I guess I'm not aware of that having happened.

Yeah, it's like Jeff Lynn's ELO now.

Oh, really? He owns them? Obnoxious after the fact. Did the other guys die? It's like, Yeah, they're gone. They're not going to say anything. They put my name in front of the whole thing.

Better get on that Mariah Carey playlist today. Nah.

Shut up. I'm good. New order. Bear ass. Nobody... Stop trying to make-Play the sound of him. The embarrassing sound of him. Play it.

Skating with a hangover tonight. Mike, you know I have one rule to live by, right?

Don't place parlays on multiple long shots. Don't say a game is one when it hasn't hit triple zero. No.

Always drink your Jägermeister ice cold. That's the rule. Everything else is merely a suggestion. Everything else? Everything else.

Wearing clean underwear every day?

Well, that's just a personal decision.

Brushing your teeth?

Obviously smart, but not a rule.

Never PP on an electric fence.

Okay, maybe there are two rules, but the one that is 100% that I insist on completely, Jägermeister must be drank ice cold. Or don't drink it at all.

Damn, that's cold.

Exactly. You're finally starting to get it.

Drink responsibly. Jägermeister L'Core, 35% alcohol by volume, imported by Mass Jägermeister US, White Plains, New York.