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On today's part of my take, presented by DraftKings. We've got a pack show. We got our guy, Johnny Fanta, Johnny football, Johnny Basketball. We're going to talk some college football with him. We're going to talk some college basketball, which is back. We have the NFL Trade Deadline, and the Jets have dismantled their team. We're going to get Memes Reaction. We got Double Memes Reaction. We have this instant reaction at the end of the show when we were taping earlier in the day with Sauce Gardner. And now we're going to get maybe a little bit more of a nuanced, sober-headed Memes Reaction.

We've been gassing memes up all day. We have. I think we got memes in a correct head space for this take.

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Welcome to Part of my take presented by DraftKings. The Crown is yours. Today is Wednesday, November fifth, and the NFL Trade Deadline has passed, and the New York Jets have dismantled their team. A top five defense.

This feels like it was the one Trade Deadline that delivered. Because every other time, they're like, Oh, get ready. It's going to be a crazy Trade Deadline, and then nothing happens. You get a third string wide receiver that gets moved for a fifth round pick, and that's about it. Hank just shook his head when I said this was a crazy trade deadline.

Well, the Patriots did nothing.

Didn't deliver for me.

Didn't do anything. The beauty of this is we taped a lot of the show earlier in the day, and to start part of your take, we have literally the moment that Soss Gardner got traded in Memes' reaction, where I think he was just staring and didn't know what to say.

Some insane breaking moves in Pardon Your Take.

Insane breaking moves. Memes, you now have had a few hours to digest everything. The Jets have traded Saucegardner for two first-round pics. The Jets then traded Quinn and Williams for a first-round pick to the Cowboys. How are you feeling now? I know that the rebuild, you just did this three years ago, and you're doing it again. And you also, I want to have my guy Memes back real quick. He got fired on Madden for this.

Yeah. No, Memes is Sam Hinkie. You remember what happened with the 76ers? They crucified Sam Hinkie for doing the right thing. They booed Memes because he was wrong. They fired him. They thought he was wrong. And guess what, Memes? Turns out you were right. You were more right than anybody.

Yeah. So how are you feeling?

Feeling great, actually, right now. Oh. They turned two players into potentially six. It's just sad because you want people to come into your organization. You want them to be Jets for life. We thought we had that with Quinna Williams. Thought we had that with Saucegarner. And unfortunately, it's just time to rebuild again.

Do you think you'll get players as good as Quinan Williams and Saucegarner with those six picks? That's pretty much the question. Or those three picks that you got.

I think so. I just think they didn't want to waste their prime on two back-to-back losing seasons because we've already established next season's also going to suck because of the schedule. This is part of the two-year plan.

I think you're close to it.

It wouldn't do you guys any good to have those players on your team. That's what the concern for you guys is.

Yeah, because you're You're one and seven with them. The Quinn and Williams record, unfortunately, on the Jets was like 30 and 61 with zero playoff appearances since he was drafted. You got to try something new.

Yeah.

It's huge for the Colts. The Colts got a lot better.

Yeah, this is a master of the Colts. Sauce is still having a good year, even though people claim he's a holding merchant.

Who claims that?

The Internet. Okay. You should stop reading the Internet sometimes. Yeah.

No, Sauce is still really He should. He's just wasting his prime, and you just need pass rushers to rebuild from instead of corners.

So, Memes, this is the two-year plan that you set forth, because right now you're stocked next year, and then 2027, which many people are calling maybe the best draft class of all time. I read that take online a few times today. You're going to be stocked with picks. You got to haul. I would even say, Memes, I dare say, fleeced. I think you fleeced the Cowboys.

I would say fleeced, too. The sad part is it's the same exact That thing as three years ago. You have three first-round picks. You have two next year, three the year after, but it's the same as the Zack Wilson into the three picks.

The Quinn and William's trade, that is a fleecing. I don't know why the Cowboys are doing that. We're going to talk about Monday Night Football in a second. The Cowboys, it makes no sense why Jerry Jones thinks this is the team that he should go all in on.

All in my ass.

It also made me think the Micah Parsons trade was actually a steal for the packers because Micah Parsons is more impactful than Sauce Gardner. They went for the same amount, right? I don't know if there was more picks.

I think they upgraded a pick. I think one pick might have been upgraded in that. But yeah, ultimately, Jerry Jones, if this was his master plan, I don't really understand the master plan.

Yeah, my way of saying this is Jerry Jones is the big loser in all of this because he traded for a guy on a season that things aren't going well and then also watched Micah Parsons should have gone. If you went Micah Parsons and Sauce Gardner, who goes for more?

Are you saying Sauce... Do you mean Quinn and Williams or Sauce Gardner?

No, I'm saying- Sauce Gardner got the same company.

Got it. It's a double loser for Jerry Jones because he traded for Quinn and Williams for seemingly no reason. Also, Sauce Gardner went for two picks. Obviously, contracts are different. Sauce Gardner is under contract, right? Michael Parsons had to sign a new contract. But still, it feels like Jerry Jones should have gotten more for Michael Parsons is my big point.

I would say loser Jerry Jones. I would say that's- I would say that's-a absolutely fair take about that. Yeah. It means, although it's painful right now, this was the right thing to do. You had to do it.

Yeah, you had to do it. You're one and seven with them. And you got AD Mitchell back.

Yeah.

Even though Colts fans are saying- I saw somebody say he was AD Mitchell. That's tough. Yeah. You got into it with Colts fans. How'd that go?

It went okay. I just told people, You live in Indiana.

Good take. Fair. Okay, nice. And then I love Indianapolis. I think it's a great city. Underrated city. We do go there a lot, memes. That's okay.

But that's still a very fair thing for memes to say in the moment. You're mad online, and so you're entitled to be in that line. Yeah, they got turbines.

What do you think about-They have what?

They got wind turbines.

Okay. Renewable energy. You're not a fan of it. In your face. In your face. What about Diana Rossini? How did you feel how she handled today. Wind turbines are a shame.

What? Sorry.

What did you say?

Wind turbines hurt more than they help. Go on.

Especially in the ocean.

The ocean, the whales. They don't think about the whales.

Or any of the animals. If the wind turbines break, then it fucks up the entire ecosystem.

What do you think about offshore drilling?

I'll say this. I don't know enough about any of this shit to give you a confident take. Is that fair? Yeah. Wind turbines, if you said, Hey, give me a take, good or bad, I'd be like, I don't fucking know.

I have a take about wind turbines. They're not good. If we're going to keep building them, we should build them the same way that the Dutch built them back in the 1400s. What has changed since we started building wind turbines? The wooden ones with the slats and the nice shingles on them.

We can't get on this. We can't get on this wind turbine.

Memes started. Memes did start it. I'll look into it, Hank. You know what? I always give A few things you got to look into and report you had to come back. I'm going to look into wind turbines for you, and I'm going to let you know my thoughts.

You just got to go to Indiana.

I do think that Jerry Jones- I don't know if they're good or bad.

I just look at them and know if they're good or bad.

Yeah, make a determination.

So we're just going off vibes. Off vibes. Vibes, I'm going to say they're good, but Hank's given me facts about all the ocean being all the animals. So now I'm thinking they're bad.

I know the ocean ones are bad.

Maybe the-Let's reel it back in boys. Let's reel it back in here.

The ones in the Atlantic Ocean, bad. Indiana ones might be alright.

We're doing a little idiot jazz. I know.

I think we've done enough. Let's get back to football.

This is the trade deadline analysis you get from Hank, the Patriots don't do anything. Memes started.

Memes did start.

He means that one thing. You went into like a analytical-I just said they are bad.

Okay. I did appreciate what Jerry Jones said, though. He did an interview on Serious on Monday, and he said, What you have is a little bit of my philosophy. Controversy. I'm serious. I'm dead serious. Not serial killing, not that, but controversy. The Dallas Cowboys probably have the interest that we have in no small part because we stay out front and we stay controversial. When it gets slow, I stir that shit up. That's a great take from Jerry. He's 100% right about that.

Shit gets a little slow. He just gets in there and starts stirring shit up. All right, Memes, how do you think Diana Rossini, our good friend, award-winning journalist? I don't know if she actually has won an awards, but you know what? I think she won a takey. She won an for her journalism with Max on the airplane. So award-winning journalist, Diana Rossini, how would you say she handled today?

I think she found out information from other teams and reported on it.

Okay. You weren't mad about the dismantling of the top five defense. I heard you saying she's getting text directly from Joe Douglas.

Yeah, I mean, that's obvious.

Okay.

I would say Robert Salah.

Also Robert Salah.

I don't think Bob cares. I think he cares a little bit.

It could be his brother.

I think Joe Douglas probably cares more than Bob Salah because Bob Salah is- Howie Roseman said, he was just like, Good luck.

He said that to me when we were at the Eagles thing. He said, Oh, you want to talk to Joe Douglas? Good luck with the Jets. And then just left.

That's good reporting by memes. Great reporting. We actually did. I facetimed Diana to have her say a little word of encouragement to memes, and she actually just made it so much worse. She just kept digging.

She had just instantly proven wrong.

What happened?

She was like, I'm hearing a deal for Brees Hall done, and then it was immediate, Brees Hall is not being treated.

Memes. You know she was just saying that to make you think? No, she wasn't. That's literally what she was doing. She just kept saying things to make Memes more and more, and it worked to her credit. Memes, I'm glad that you're thinking better. I had a crazy idea today. We've talked about this, I think, before, but I think the Jets are in a position looking at the 2027 draft where they could pull this off. They have how many first-round picks?

Three? Five.

First-round picks in 2027.

Oh, 2027.

Three. They have three first-round picks. Why don't they draft, hypothetically, Sayan and Underwood on the team?

Yeah, take them all.

And then the Jets, you need a quarterback. It's been a long time since you've had a quarterback. This is the time. I would do it if I were the Jets. I'd say, Fuck it. And then I just trade the one that doesn't get the starting job.

So do what Washington did?

Yeah, but two first-round picks.

Use them all on quarterbacks.

In theory, that's not- Kirk Cousins has had a long career.

Look how it's working for the Browns. They took two quarterbacks in this draft.

Not in the first round.

Yeah, I know, but it still double up.

Fuck it. Let's get crazy. Let's take three.

Yeah. Take one late. Shane. Shane also was in the trade deadline. He got an offensive lineman. I just had one question for Shane, the Chargers. Shane, our Chargers fan. Shane, Dane, you got Trey Penning from the New Orleans Saints. Why were you googling Trey Penning, Bad guy?

Because I remembered a couple of years ago, there was something that happened at training camp where he got kicked out for a week straight of just ensuing violence upon the opposing team at the training camp.

And what did you find out?

He did do that.

Okay.

I don't think that's a bad thing.

Are you happy you got offensive line help?

I'm happy we have people who are alive and play the position of offensive line.

Are you going to Romeo Dobbs us, Joe Alt's in a better place?

There's no worse place in the NFL than on the offensive line of the Los Angeles Chargers.

So he's not in a better place.

No, he is.

He's not on it right now. All right. Thank you, Shane. That was it. Good analysis, Shane. It was just very funny because Quig's got a little got you culture going around Barstool Sports. It was just Shane googling, Trey Penning, bad guy, question mark.

He's just been saying all day he's alive. Trey Penning is an alive man.

The States also- Big upgrade. They traded Rasheed Shahid.

I love that. I love that for Seattle.

Seattle's good.

Yeah.

And Chris Alavi did not get traded. Brees Hall did not get traded.

Mora did not get traded.

I feel bad for Brees Hall. He wanted out so bad. All his friends left. Now he's like, If you're on the Jets, how do you get up for this game?

We're talking about the sad smiling that Brees tweeted out. Yeah. And Memes was like, You got to trade the guy if he does a sad smiley. I think the sad smiley was because his friends are gone.

What about the gif he tweeted when it was the guy waiting at a door, peaking behind?

Seeing if he was going to get traded?

And they deleted it.

Yeah, maybe Maybe they didn't get a good enough offer. I feel like third-round pick, you'd probably make that move, Memes.

Yeah, I think the best one they got was a fourth-round.

Memes, this is also like, you have... I know that Soss Gardner and Quinna Williams were good players, but now you could be Hall of Famers. You never know what a draft pick is. You got five for something. You just get excited about draft. It's like this draft pick could be something even better.

Yeah. And they did get the better of the Cowboys pick in 2027. Oh, nice. So if either the packers or Cowboys, whoever's worse, that's who they get. And Jerry Jones can't trade any of those picks next year either. They have to wait to see what the pick is.

Brick did it again.

Damn. That's some good GMing.

I also said that makes draft day so much fun. Oh, yeah. That whole prep, you just have months of fun football.

Draft day is about you. Yes.

Draft day has always been about me.

I understand, but- But this is extra about you. When the bears had the first and ninth pick or whatever it was, it was awesome. It was like, Oh, my God. What What are we going to do?

I don't like that spin zone of it.

Okay. You're going to love it during the draft, though. I love you as a brother.

You're going to be so pumped up in the draft. Yeah. You're going to need memes. Imagine how many mock drafts you're going to go through. This might make you happy. Think about how mad you're going to get at some of the mock drafters out there.

Yeah.

You're going to love that.

Memes. Think about late April, this year and next year, we have Todd McShay on the show, and the first question out of our mouth is, what are the Jets going to do? Don't laugh, Hank. We're pumping them up. Yeah. That will be the question. What are the Jets going to do? They have every pick in the first round.

That's 2027.

2027.

2027. 2026. Yeah, that'll be fun. 2027 will be fun.

Okay, so there you go.

I'm with you. We only trade away two players. Yeah.

I think it was... You'll hear the shock of the sauce gardener trade later on in the show where memes... I think he was like, We're going to trade everyone.

No, I thought they were going to trade everyone. Right.

And that didn't happen.

No. The biggest thing with that group is just they're the what-if group, and it was just completely ruined by Zack Wilson, and they didn't keep Sam Darnold.

And Aaron Rodgers is-And Aaron Rodgers is.

I did like how Meme's initial reaction right when the news was breaking. He tweeted back-to-back gifs. Just memes. He just memes His way through it. He tweeted the Michael Scott meme, and then he tweeted after a couple of minutes of thinking it through, the Alonso morning, I'm pissed off. Maybe this is a good meme. It showed you going through the stages of grief.

Yeah, it's telling it through memes.

Through memes. It was a beautiful thing to watch.

No, it's a great trade. You just want those guys on your team forever.

Yeah.

It is better because you're getting out now. You will never get a better package for Sauce Garner than that.

How quickly do you think he's going to get a deal with a St. Elmo Steakhouse.

Oh, yeah.

For the cocktail sauce. Oh, yeah. Cocktail sauce gardener.

He's already done.

Yeah.

Maybe we'll play golf with sauce over the summer.

In Indy, your favorite city.

Yeah, we'll meet him in the middle. That'd be cool.

That'd be cool. He's a cool guy. Yeah. He's a cool guy. All right. I just need Indianapolis, Bearing Bay, and Dallas to all suck.

Okay. Love that. Let's do it. Okay. Any other trade deadline? Hank, you're pissed. You guys didn't do anything.

Yeah, weird. I was just waiting, especially after the sauce news. It was like, all right.

Other teams are loading up.

Give us Burris. Announce Burris.

I do think the Colts announced Kamara.

I don't know. I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened behind the scenes. It's just they're now in a spot where they have to stay healthy. I just hope it's not one of those things in January where we were like, I wish we had made a move at the deadline for a defensive or a running back.

What do you think about wide receiver?

I like our wide receiver of Corpse.

Your corpse. Corpse. Yeah, your Corpse. A solid Corpse. I like that the Jags got Jacobi Maher. Yeah, that was good. But I have no idea who the Raiders are going to be throwing past to. Obviously, Brock. Rock Bowers. Yeah, that's going to be-Brock Bowers. Build the whole team out of Brock Bowers. The entire offense is going to be Brock.

What do you say, Max? Oh, yeah, Max, you got some- Yeah, I mean- Howie did it again.

Howie is so good that it doesn't even matter. He just does it again and everyone's like, Oh, whatever. It's Howie.

Jalen Jalen Phillips.

Jalen Phillips, very good edge rusher. Exactly what we needed. We gave him a third-round pick, and if he's really good, we'll just get a third-round pick back.

Wow. How he did it again.

How he did it again.

That's how you do it.

Yeah, no. Win right now. Go play some football. Nolan Smith coming back. Jalen Phillips added it. We got a bunch of corners that shit, but maybe one of them can be good.

Must win Monday? Yeah, everything's a must win. You know it's a must win for the packers. It is. It's just a fact. It's not a can't lose. It's a must win for the packers.

The Bear's got a first-round pick from 2021. Joe Tyrone-Shoyinka, he was on the Browns. He was the first-round pick, the last pick in the first round from the Bucks in 2021. But that's a first-round pick. You got a first-round pick, yeah. He got zero stats this year. But it doesn't matter. It's a first-round pick. He's rested. You got a first-round pick grade on this guy.

Healthy. Low mileage. Yeah.

No, we need anybody on the defensive line.

I was just glad to see trades happen at the trade deadline. Yeah. You know that Howie was feaning. Once he started, he saw the pics flying around.

But Howie did it all before the trade deadline.

I know, but still, he thought his job was done. Then he sees these pics going all around, and he's like, Come on. Maybe just one. Maybe just a small trade.

Go ahead.

I feel like the fact that he did it before and then all the pics started flying around, he was like, I did it without flying around a bunch of pics. Yeah, he did it before the pig started flying.

I feel like the Ravens got some good... They just got bodies. They made three or four trades, got some depth.

Don't need those.

Yeah, they'll need some bodies. Just trade for some bodies. Okay, should we talk? Yeah, they got Edge Rusher. Yeah, from Tennessee. So they got some bodies, Jermont Jones. That would be good. Good for them. Ravens are going to go in the playoffs. I think we all agree. Yeah, they're a playoff team. Okay, real quick. The college football rankings are out. The 12 teams in the playoff, if they started right now, would be Ohio State, one, Indiana, two, Texas A&M, three, Alabama, four, Georgia, five, Ole Miss, six, BIO, seven, Texas Tech, eight, Oregon, 9, Notre Dame, 10, Texas, 11, Oklahoma, 12. So big takeaways from this. One. Also, that is wrong because Oklahoma would not be in. It would be Memphis, who's the highest ranked group of five team as of right now. Big takeaways. Number one, they love Notre Dame. That was the biggest takeaway because Notre Dame, and I think Notre Dame is very good. I think Notre Dame is a playoff-worthy team. But Notre Dame came in at 10. Miami, who beat Notre Dame in the first week of the season, came in at 18. Guess it doesn't really matter. It just doesn't matter The game that was played does not matter anymore.

And more egregious than that, I would say, because Miami has faltered and the SMU loss was bad and all that stuff. They were 12. 5 point favorites. The bigger thing is that Notre Dame is ranked ahead of both Texas and Oklahoma, which didn't make a ton of sense.

Right. But if those teams continue to win, I feel like they could jump Notre Dame. Yeah.

None of this matters right now. It's more like, Hey, the big takeaway is the ACC is fucked. The ACC is going to get one team in. The ACC's top ranked team was Virginia at 14. Now, the ACC also has a bunch of cannibalization that could take place. Virginia is at the top of the ACC right now. They're undefeated in conference. They're eight and one overall. Their only loss being to NC State, which was a non-conference game. Right.

Remember that. Yeah.

They played a non-conference. They have a two-year non-conference scheduling, Virginia and NC State. So they're five and 0 in the ACC. Their one loss being to NC State.

I do like that we're going to have- Which is very funny. I like that the matchups that we get before the playoff starts that are technically playoff games. You can make the argument that there's one this weekend, BIO Texas Tech. Yeah. That could be a playoff game. That probably is a playoff game.

That will be interesting because it will be if Texas Tech beats BIO, and then they play again in the Big 12 Championship if BIO beats Texas Tech, then they both could possibly get in. There's It's some tricky... It looks like the Big 12 will get one or two. The ACC has to basically walk a tight rope to get two in at this point. Their best chance of getting two in is, weirdly enough, Georgia Tech not getting to the ACC Championship game but winning out, which would be a win against Georgia. So them not being in the ACC Championship game, the winner of the ACC Championship game would go, and Georgia Tech with only one loss and a Because Georgia Tech lost to... I can't remember.

Who did they lose to? Georgia Tech just...

They lost to... Nc State.

Nc State.

That's right. They lost to NC State. There's a lot of cannibalization, like I said, that's going to go on in the ACC.

And then one and two, Ohio State, Indiana. I know some Indiana fans were hoping that they would get number one, but it doesn't really... In fact, I could make the argument that it might be better for Indiana to be number two, the number one. Yeah. Because they've got more of a chip now when they do play against Ohio State. Yeah. And maybe it's more the other way around where if Ohio State was ranked number two, then they would really have something to prove and beat the piss out of Indiana if they played.

Yeah. All right. So here was my big Texas Oklahoma. And again, this is all... Really, they're just putting this out here. And we should also remind everyone, the nice thing about the 12-team playoff is we are not sitting here arguing who is better between, if we went all the way back to the BCS, how Texas A&M is getting screwed. That's not an argument right now. You know what I mean? It's not an argument about undefeated teams. It's about the teams on the fringe. But I do think that the Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Texas rankings makes no sense. I'm more questioning what these old guys are doing in this conference room because Notre Dame, and again, I think Notre Dame is very good, and I'm saying after week two, they're going to go to the playoff. Notre Dame's best win is against USC, and they're lost losses are Texas and Miami. Two good losses, right? Texas's best win is Oklahoma and Vanderbilt, both ranked 12 and 16, and their losses are against Ohio State, the number one team in Florida. Yeah, that's a bad loss. And then Oklahoma has also two ranked wins, Michigan and Tennessee, their losses against Ole Miss and Texas, both ranked teams.

So it just doesn't make sense to me why Notre Dame is ahead of those two teams. But again, it doesn't really matter because it will all figure itself out. If Texas runs the table, they will be very deserving to go in. They have to go play Georgia at Georgia. Oklahoma has the hardest schedule in the world. The interesting thing will be if Oklahoma finishes nine and three, can they somehow get in because of their schedule is so hard and they had to run a gauntlet? But it will all figure itself out. It's fun to have rankings. It's fun to see what it could possibly be, the bracket out.

It's just fun. I love seeing Iowa in there, too. I was pissed off when Iowa was not in the top 25. Ap sucks. Ap sucks. It stinks. It doesn't make any sense sometimes. Some of the people don't watch the games, which is tough. I think some AP voters don't actually even look at the scores of the games. They just get their ballot and they go off vibes, which, honestly, respect. Respect. Respect. It's a list that's meant for us to get mad at. This actually means something. I think for the most part, this one was tough to screw up too badly.

Yeah, I agree. Okay, any other college football? I mean, Miami, we talk about it with Johnny Fanta. We just got to put a reminder that when the clock turns to November, because we were high on Miami. Yeah, I was.

I was very high.

And they just do this.

It just happens. I was off that Miami pack.

Yeah.

And it just happens.

Any other thoughts about college football rankings, Hank? The last thing I had was Red Panda's back, officially. She came back tonight at the United Center.

I forgot about Red Panda.

Yeah, because she got injured.

Yeah.

And then she also, halftime, Bulls came back from 24 down. Josh Gidey, back to back, triple doubles. I I was very wrong about Josh Gidey. He's been awesome this year. Who'd they beat?

Who'd they beat, Matt?

This is just going to be the one NBA game we talk about.

No, we would have talked about two if the Wizards had beaten the Sixers.

We talked about it on Hot Seat. I was in Cool Throne on fucking Tuesday.

I was locked and loaded. I bought League Pass in the fourth quarter of the Wizards Sixers game, just in case we won so I could bring it up on part of my face.

Pft died so I could live. It was just basically whoever could beat the Sixers.

Celtics beat the Sixers, actually. Oh, that's right.

Oh, in the Cup.

Celtics, we didn't talk about that.

In the Cup, though.

In the Cup. But yeah, Red Panda was back, and Josh Gidey was awesome, and Vuch hit the big three. How many points did he have? Watching Embiid play at the end was...

He was very good the first three quarters.

Yeah, but winning time, buddy. 24-point comeback. You guys didn't score a field goal in the last four and a half minutes.

All right, it's fucking November.

We're just breaking down ball. We love ball here.

Yeah, we love to. Congrats on the win. Congrats on the win in November.

Thank you. Congrats. Josh Gidey was awesome.

Josh Gitty. Awesome.

Awesome. Triple-double, back-to-back. Pretty fucking cool. So fucking cool. He hit 29,15. That's so cool.

Thank you.

And Red Panda back.

I don't think Max thinks it's cool.

Red Panda has been back. No, she hasn't. You want to bet? When was she back? Amazon stream during what game? She's not that tall.

The game from a couple of weeks.

What game?

The game. Richard Sherman was chucking up threes.

What game?

Los Angeles Chargers.

Red Panda was back for a football game?

That doesn't count. They were in studio.

Oh, that's not... Okay, Max, wrong.

Red Panda.

In studio?

Yeah, she's back.

No, this is her first time in front of the crowd.

But she's back. She was doing it again on TV.

Wait, was that... No, that looked like that was at a game. No, that's 2024, idiot.

Well, she was doing it in Okay, well, studio doesn't count.

That was a warm-up. That's preseason. I'm talking about real life. Everyone, well, half the people sitting in their seats, half the people taking pisses, getting popcorn.

Red Panda back. You can't even watch it on fucking League Pass.

What do you mean? I watched the whole game in the cave.

No, but you can't watch Red Panda on League Pass because you can't watch the Bulls on League Pass.

Well, they showed some highlights. I saw her. You don't respect Red Panda. You're sorry about this loss.

You don't respect. That isn't even true. Yeah, it is. I'm respecting her more. I paid attention to her work. She was doing a free season in Amazon. I paid attention to her work, which makes me-in Amazon stream. So I respect Red Panda.

Hank, hit us with the wind turbine fact. You find anything?

No. Okay. They might be all right. I don't know. This might be a big turbine, though. I don't trust the Internet.

So you have been googling it?

I did a little bit of research. I know the ones in the ocean are bad. One in the ocean off of Cape Cod collapsed and just completely fucked up the entire ecosystem.

Damn.

The ones on-You love the ecosystem. Yeah, especially the aquatic ones. The ones on land, I don't have much historical research based on them.

What about the ones on golf courses? They seem to be all right for my limited Google search.

Okay.

Also, shout out-You want to read that tweet for me real quick, by the way? The Return of a Legend in a fucking studio, dude.

Nba on Prime, The Return of a real game.

That's not a real game. You know that's not a real game. That's like Joel Embiid when he comes back to practice and then doesn't play for months and months and months.

The Return of a Legend.

No, that's not real.

Turbine Let's kill hundreds of thousands of birds and bats annually through collisions. Oh, not bats.

Damn. What are we going to do without bats? Not have COVID?

No, we would still have.

Yeah, we still would. Absolutely.

Pangalons.

100% It's true. Last thing, shout out Hawaii Pacific University for D2 upsetting Boise. Crazy. Their college is in a strip mall.

What's next to it?

A literal strip mall.

Are we talking about a nail salon? Are we talking about- That's their college. Oh, that's pretty cool. It's a strip mall. That looks like it's got an ice cream store, probably a Mexican food place.

Their gym that they played at was a former Franciscan Adult Day Center facility. Fuck, yes. And they beat Boise.

Good for them.

Yeah, good for them. College hoops are back.

This school looks sick. Hank would go to this school.

Hank would definitely go to the school. He'd flunk out of this school.

No, it wouldn't.

No. What? No, yeah, you would. Living in Hawaii?

I'd become a local.

There's no way he would go to class at that school.

It'd be Oos. But maybe he would be in such a good headspace that he would just be in a good place to succeed.

Let me see the freshman dorm tour real quick.

What majors they got?

Probably something about the ocean, saving the ocean with the wind turbines.

Let's see what their tuition is. Okay, this is our host.

No, not the way I'm taking down the wind turbine.

This is a good start. That host, yeah, look, a Barnes & Noble.

$33,000 a year. That looks like a bargain They just live there.

This is an awesome place.

This place looks sick.

We need an AWL who can give us boots on the ground, what's going on here, because this looks awesome. You just basically go on vacation.

They do have an ice cream store.

Hawaii Pacific. Imagine being the Hoops players coming back from Boise. You hit the Barnes & Noble, and everyone's going crazy. Now we're just seeing a girls dorm room. What's going on right now?

They're stoked on life there.

This might not even be... Is this the same school? This just says Hawaii dorm room. It's a dorm room. Oh, Hawaii. No, I'm a fucking idiot.

Oh, it's just the university. No, that's Hawaii Pacific University.

I just read the first. This is just a random girls dorm room.

What? They got Panda innertubes there? That's cool.

We're looking at her trash. Looks like she recycles. Shout out.

This video could be better made.

Oh, the waterworks.

Their sink was just on. They got a microwave.

They got everything.

There's way too many details in this tour. I need to see the room.

We wanted a tour of the campus, not-No, you said Click on Hawaii Dorm Tour.

There's a girl.

What is it? It showed her a pantry. She's got snacks.

No, I wanted to see the... Oh, well, yeah, I guess they did say Click on the... I thought it was going to be showing all the dorms, not just one random chics. Oh, dude, chics love putting lights up, flashy lights right above their bed in their freshman dorm. Love it. They love that shit. Look at those lights. Light show. It's where it fell in love. Okay. That's everything. Why are their kids introducing it? All right, we're big Hawaii Pacific University fans. This might be our school. They're D2, though, so we're never going to see them again.

That's the perfect university to care about for one day. I love it.

Yeah. Yesterday was theirs. Also, Steven Perle almost lost in his opening game, which would have been very funny to Bethune-Cookman.

Yeah, but then he took a shot at the football program in his postgame press conference, talking about how we're close. We're close to being great. That was good. I appreciate that.

Okay, let's kick it back to ourselves.

We're going to talk- Wait. So we also had Duke in Texas tonight, right? Yeah. We're going to talk to Johnny Fanta a little bit. Get ready to hear every single night of this NCAA basketball season that Carlos Booser's son was named after Cameron Indoor Stadium. Get ready to hear that. He's good. It's crazy. He's really good. But that is a fact. You know what? I'm just going to start saying people forget. People forget that Cameron Booser was named after Cameron Indoor Stadium.

It's also a big time, holy shit, I'm old moment because I remember nine years ago watching Booser's two fat kids run around in his driveway shooting hoops. Now, he's one of the best players in college basketball.

You know what's really fucking me up? If you look at the birthdays for kids that are now freshmen in college. Oh, yeah.

What is it? 2005?

No, 2007.

That's when I graduated college.

Yeah, 2007. That's sick. It fucked me up bad when I first saw that. Okay.

I'm old. Okay. Yeah. But you got a new haircut.

Got the mullet.

We should have mentioned that on the top.

I got the mullet.

You're as young as your haircut.

I got the mullet rocking. And you're looking great. Third time. I'm a third-time mullet, however. I had it when I was 12 years old. I had it when I was 17, 18 years old, and now we're back.

At 40.

Yeah, at 40. I just got Mike Gunde. Worked for him.

Dude, I think it looks awesome.

I think it looks pretty good.

It works for your body, too.

Thank you. I got a question for you, Big Cat. I decided to do the mullet on Saturday, and then I was at the rugby game, and there were a shitload of cool-looking mullets there. I wanted a mullet, and I was finally like, Okay, I'm going to do this. Then I I was about to get it done today, and I brought Pug out to the barber to get the behind-the-seeds footage. I was like, Pug, I just want you to know I'm not doing this because I'm going through a Britney Spears moment where she's having a mental breakdown down because of Jane Daniels' elbow. I'm just deciding to cut all my hair off. Maybe that's 5% of what it is. But for the most part, I decided to do this on Saturday. Big Cat, I have a question for you.

What did your mom say? Yeah.

My mom, I guess she just found out. Mom, I got a mullet. She's seen me with a mullet before. My mom thinks I look handsome, probably. I got a question for you, Big Cat, regarding the mullet. I want you to know that you can answer this openly and honestly. Okay. Were you upset that I I didn't tell you that I was going to get a haircut? Not at all. Okay.

If you had cut all your hair, I would have been.

Okay. I just want to check in on that.

No, you're not changing. If you had come back in here and had a buzz cut, I would have been like, Dude, Could you give me a heads up? I need to... Not that I can tell you one way or another, but it would have been mentally fucked me up. I saw the mullet. I was like, This rocks. I think we had it live on the deck. I was like, That's awesome.

See, I didn't know, and I thought to myself, Is this Is this one of those relationships where you didn't tell me that you were going to shave? No. You were going to shave.

If you cut your hair, I would have been disappointed if you didn't give me a heads up. Just a heads up. Because I like your hair, and it would have been shocking to me.

I like it, too. I feel powerful, and I feel like- Look powerful. I've spiritually had a mullet for quite some time, and it goes well with the El Camino, which is the mullet of cars, business in the front, party in the back.

Perfect timing for the El Camino to be done for the year.

Yeah. I'm storing my El Camino on my head for the wintertime.

You just transferred it.

When I got it cut, I actually walked in, and, man, all the boys were pumped, fired up, and then I got back to the part of my tech producer's corner. The reaction there was way different. What happened? The reaction there, Memes just stops and he just looked at me. He was going through jets. He was, which I understood.

He also used to have great flow. He just gave up on it.

Yeah. Fuck, he did. I think it'll be in PMTV, but Meme just stops mid-sentence and he just stares at me. I'm like, Yeah, Meme? He's like, It looks... And then he just never finished that sentence. He hung out there for about seven seconds. And then Max got scared.

Why did Max get scared?

I was just nervous for you because of myself. If I were to do... You can't go back. You can't go back to his hair. What do you mean? You just have to be this guy forever.

No, that's not true.

The thing about hair is it grows.

A hundred % not true. Hair grows.

What do you mean? It's going to take two years for him to go back to long hair. Is that true?

Yes. Probably about two years. But... Yes.

I can't wait. That's what made me nervous because it was like if I-That is a long time.

I didn't realize. I thought it was like a month. You should get a bob.

Because look at the front of his hair. The front of his hair has to match the... It's either you go for a really weird, awkward phase.

I know what he's saying.

You just have to be a mullet guy forever now. I know what he's saying. Or you're going to go short hair.

No, Listen, I- You haven't.

There's no choice.

Don't try to bring me down on.

I'm not, but I'm explaining why I reacted that way. It just made me anxious as a long hair guy.

I know what's going on. He's jealous. It's okay.

Are you jealous?

A little bit jealous.

I could do that tomorrow if I wanted to. I do not want to.

You don't have the balls.

Correct.

That is correct. So you are jealous.

Yeah.

He wishes he had my balls.

You're jealous of my I'm jealous of your balls. I got good balls. I'm jealous of your balls.

I got big meaty clankers, is what they always call them.

No, big meaty clackers.

How did you respond?

I was clank.

No, clackers.

Hank was gasping. I love it. Yeah, Hank was fired up.

I love it. Good.

I like it, too. It looks good. It's just a huge commitment.

You have to be my guy forever now.

I can't wait. That's fine. I can't wait to shampoo for the first time. It's going to feel so... To be honest, I've been sick of having long hair everywhere for a very long time. The first time I shower, it's going to feel so good. And Zack was gasping. Appreciate you, Zack.

Zack gasses.

The models are good. I think you could even... Now that you got the sides tight, you could dab.

You could chop your head off and Zack would be like, That's actually a really good look. Looks good, sir.

Would you like water?

Get town hydrate.

What were you saying about the sides?

I think now you get the sides tight, you can flirt with the idea of designs.

You may throw a lightning ball. I thought about the lightning number five. But I'd be jumping in too fast. I'd be jumping in too fast.

He's not dead.

Are you talking about... He's in a better place.

He's in a better place.

I do think that about Jaden. Jaden is literally in a better place right now that he's no longer playing with that team. Respect.

All right, let's kick to ourselves.

Okay, kick it to ourselves. Wait, windmills. Anything else? I want to make sure that we wrap it up.

I'll give you a take on windmills on Friday.

Okay, thank you.

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Monday Night Football for those that were able to watch, which I think some of us in this room weren't able to watch, which is bullshit.

Well, Max wasn't going to watch anyways because he doesn't like football, doesn't watch Monday Night Football, but that's fine. There's a lot of college hoops to be walking. There's a lot of college hoops.

We talked about it at the end of Sunday's show. It is absolute bullshit. You're screwing over the We stand with the people. Now, PFT and I may be speaking from a place of slight privilege in the fact that we both have cable and YouTube TV, but we're still speaking up. It's fucking bullshit.

Yeah, I'm speaking from a place of both privilege and also just being a boomer, where I have a deep fear of getting rid of cable for situations like this. But yeah, I think a lot of people out there, they don't have both cable and all the apps. They get the streaming stuff.

Yeah, for me, the cubs weren't on YouTube TV. So I was like, Well, I got to have cable to watch the cubs.

Yeah.

But yeah, either way, it's bullshit. Hank, did you watch? No. You weren't able to watch? No. This is absolute... Fuck you, ESPN. Fuck you. In the face.

It's on the principle, too. I was thinking about it. Yeah. I think this game needed to be like the Lion's Chiefs, and I think a resolution would have happened right now.

It also was very funny watching the people who don't...

Because it was Cowboys.

Cardinals.

It was like, Who cares? So there was a way that you You could watch it, though, if you had the antenna. You got to go out and buy an antenna. Apparently, sports and TV is just still floating through the air. You just have to pick it up.

Well, yeah, that was last year with the Bulls and Blackhawks. A lot of people were buying antennas to try to get where they were playing the games. But it was also funny watching the... You always forget that there are actually a lot of people out there who only watch the NFL and do not watch college football, one of which our good friend, Stephen Che, who did not know this dispute was happening until right before kickoff. That's crazy. And he was like, What the hell? I can't watch Monday Night Football. But it's bullshit.

I'm calling bullshit on Stephen Che because I know for a fact that man has notifications turned on for Adam Schefter, who has tweeted out, Ask YouTube TV to put ESPN on the air.

So he was traveling over the weekend, and then he did quote, tweet an Adam Schefter tweet an hour before kickoff being like, Wait, what do you mean?

Well, I saw that yesterday. Yeah, but he knew. Steven knew Also for him to take Adam Schefter's side of this dispute was just perfect.

I straightened about. I told him, I was like, Hey, buddy, listen, you want to keep blaming YouTube TV. It's ESPN. Espn owns Hulu. They own Fubo. They're basically trying to force people to do that. We're splitting everything up. It's fucking bullshit. Let us watch.

Sports should be free. That's my take. I agree. When I'm elected President, free sports for everybody.

Bread and circus.

Free sports for everybody. It's very important. That's what they do. It keeps people happy. It's also just the right thing to do. Correct.

The link that all the ESPN people are shilling out of, here's how there's other ways to watch. The link is just a website to complain to YouTube. There's no solution. They tweet it in a way where it's like, I was like, Oh, maybe I do have one of these things. Click the link. It's just a link to complain to YouTube. It's bullshit.

The other things are owned by Disney, Hulu and Fubo. So either way, there was a game that was played.

It did feel like it had less buzz. Maybe it was just me watching it, but I never felt like I was excited about football during Monday Football.

Well, to me, the game was basically over when the Cowboys drove the ball down the field to start the game and it was like fourth and eight. Fourth goal from the eight. Didn't kick the field goal. Listen, I'm a big go for it guy. I feel like in that situation, just get the points. Jacobi Berset, you don't know if he's going to light you up or not. He ended up lighting him up. But it's five minutes into the game, your offense, that's so demoralizing. Like, time in place, I had No problem with the Cowboys going for it later on in the game when they knew they needed two scores. But at the beginning of the game, just get some points. Show something. You basically did all your homework and you have nothing to show for it.

Yeah, that was a tough start. I like that Brandon Aubrey missed that field goal at the end of the first half. They let him attempt a 68-yarder at the end of the half. That would have been a bummer for Cam Little if his record had lasted for a single day. Then Brandon Aubrey did it on a bigger platform on Monday Night Football. That would have sucked. I was glad to see him miss that. But yeah, the Cardinals, Jacobi Brisset looks good.

They were running. They were just play-actioning them to death.

They did so much play-action. And play-action works. There's a reason why people do it. And then Gannon says that it It's still Kyler Murray's job. He's not going to lose his job for health. If you've seen Jacobi Brisset playing with the Cardinals and Kyler Murray playing with the Cardinals, I don't think that leash is going to be very long on Kyler. I think a lot of people have watched Jacobi Brisset and said, This guy should be starting a quarterback. Because the whole team, like Marvin Harrison, by the way, the route that he put on to land last night was so good.

It had City Lamb going crazy.

It was N1 mixtape shit. It's like if that had taken place in a high school gym, the stands would have emptied onto the court and everyone would have just said, The game's over. He just broke him down. It's good to see Marvin. I saw him smile even on the bench. It feels like everything is downstream from maybe the quarterback not being a big bummer all the time. But I do I want to put a pin in this. It's similar to our Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold thing. I think in three years, Kyler Murray will be a very good quarterback on a different team. Does he get taller? No. Same height. He doesn't grow. I could see But picture this. Kyler Murray on this- I mean, there's no downside in saying this, so I'm in. Kyler Murray playing for the Saints. Yeah.

If we're wrong, no one's going to pull this up and be like, Hey, you guys are wrong. So I'm in. Yeah, Kyler Murray is going to be great. We're just living off the high of... There's never been a more correct one minute on part of my take history than when PFT and I in 2021 said... He said he was still believing in Baker. I said, I'll do you one worse. I'm still believing in Sam Darnal. That is the most correct we've ever been in our entire lives.

You tell me that Kyler- We're chasing it. Kyler Murray needs to do a weekend slumber party with KOC in Minnesota, and then he'll be good. We saw enough from Kyler when he was playing. He had some moments early on in his career. I don't think he's a terrible quarterback. I think He's in a bad spot, probably mentally.

We should actually just do a compilation right now. I don't know what you guys are thinking, but I'm not done believing in Zack Wilson.

I think Spencer Rattler can take a team to the playoffs. Yeah. People love to hate on the guy. Yeah.

You know what? I don't think we've heard the last Carson Wentz.

Fuck him. I'm out. Hey, put this one on the record. No, I don't want to kick a guy while he's down.

Let's just stack them up, and then we'll just... If we just say every backup quarterback in the league, is Josh Rosen still I think he's a lawyer now.

Yeah, I think so. Paralegal.

I think- Chua is going to be good again. He's probably going to win MVP at some point.

Gino Smith just needs somebody to believe in him.

That was funny. The Raiders fans were being like, We got to find... What's his name? Ike. What's his name? Ike. Ike. Yeah, someone needs to find him. There was some funny. There also was... I don't know if you saw a PFT. It was actually a sweet moment of people being in on the joke, but It was a Giants fan. I think it was our guy who says that Daniel Jones, remember? I can't remember. Oh, it's Jones to China. It's a very funny account. He said, We kept your seating the NFC basement warm for you. Welcome back, Manders FC. Then it was just a bunch of Commanders fans being like, We had an awesome vacation. We brought back some trinkets for you. Like, what a year away. It was great. It was a good internetting.

Yeah, listen, I can't disagree with any of it. I didn't realize how bad gotten for the commanders, but they have now lost three games in a row by at least 21 points. The last team to do that was the 2020 Jacksonville Jaguar. It's been five years since the team has had back-to-back-to-back losses as bad as we've had.

I'm telling you, the Bayers' Commander, something is up with it. It completely ruined both seasons the last two years.

Then this week, we've got the Lions, and I would not be shocked if it became a four-game streak week of 21-point losses. The last time that happened was the Arizona Cardinals in 2002, 23 years. I think we talked enough of Commander's Misery on Monday, but that's just a wild stat. I would think that it would have happened at some point. We've seen some bad teams in the NFL. But back to back to back blowouts are rare.

Josh Rosen is getting his MBA at the Wharton School right now. How sick is that to be at an Ivy League business school, knowing you're going to get some investment banking job, and you're sitting in class and you're like, Yeah, I got drafted in the NFL. I made millions of dollars. It was so sick. It'd be good. I had the best time ever at UCLA. It'd be good. He's unassuming, and he's just hanging out. Imagine sitting in a fucking nerd-filled NBA class and doing ice breakers and be like, Yeah, I was a top 10 pick in the NFL.

Do Do you think he got really good grades at UCLA, or do you think it's a thing where if you're a quarterback, you can just go to whatever school you want?

I think he was smart.

I think he was smart. I think his dad was a doctor or something. So if your dad's a doctor, I assume you're smart.

Yeah, I think the knock on him was that he had a problem with authority coming out.

He made $18 million in the NFL. Do you think his- It's like, We're going to do a mixer. We're going to watch Monday Night Football. Everyone's invited, and he's just standing there being like, Oh, yeah, that's what the coverage they're running. I know that because played in the NFL.

Do you think his boss at McKinsey is going to put out a graphic being like, Josh Rosen is our analyst?

Yes, has to.

He should do that. That would rock. Has to. There's one question I have for you, Big Cat, about the packers. As a matter of fact, I don't want to make everything about us on this show. No.

But it is our show.

But did we break Matt LaFleur?

He's temporarily broken. I did see the stat that was going around packer Twitter that 25 No, sorry. Was it 75% of all of Josh? 25% of Jordan Love's pass attempts over the last six games have been behind the line of scrimmage, second highest behind only Kyler Murray. I did read this stat, and the first thing I said was, wow, so he got a penalty on 75% of his other passes because you have to pass from behind the line of scrimmage. But it was actually passes that landed behind the line of scrimmage.

That would be fumbles, according to Max's rule change that he'd like to enact.

Yeah, I think it's more that Matt Lafleur is going to figure it out. This was probably the moment. Losing to the Panthers and the way they lost to him is probably the galvanizing moment. If you're playing the packers next, you got to watch out because he's going to fix this and they're going to come out with their hair on fire.

My question about Matt Lafleur, though, and whether or not we broke him was playing the Packer's next. Was specifically pointed at one thing that happened in the game. Okay. So they're playing against the Panthers. It's the fourth quarter, 11 minutes left. They're down 13 to 6. They have the ball at the 13-yard line. Going in. It's fourth and eight. What does Matt Lafleur do in that situation? Did he go for it? He went for it. Didn't get it.

Wait, what were they down?

They were down. The exact score was 13 to 6. They were down seven points. Correct move. They went for it. Actually, note, the stats say that you should kick a field goal with that much time left on the clock. So he should have kicked a field goal. It gives you a 5% better chance of winning if you kick a field goal. He said that his math guy said that there was a one % difference in win probability between going for it and kicking a field goal, and he thought that they had a play that could score. But every other math guy that I've seen out there in their analysis says that no, the recommendation is strong to kick a field goal in that scenario.

We've always said on this show, if you can make a one-score game, a one-score game, you got to do it.

You got to do it. You got to do it. You got to do it. You absolutely have to do it, Matt LaFleur. Yeah.

No, I think the packers are in that crisis, looking to the mirror, Hey, Jordan loves a really good quarterback. Maybe let him be a quarterback. Don't do just deep bombs and screen passes.

Yeah. Man, I love the packers on Monday night.

They're coming off a loss.

Coming off a loss. Against the Panthers, that's a bad loss. No days off this week. Practice is going to be hard.

You don't want to play the packers off a loss.

I'd say back against the wall.

I can't believe we got Parker Dan this week.

I mean, I'm not. But if the packers- It is full on Parker Dan this week.

Listen, if the Hank, I feel like it's a Super Bowl.

No, here's what's going to happen. I'm rooting for the Eagles to win this game. No, you're not. Yes, I am. No, you're not. Yes, I am. If the packers win, I will shove it in your face and say I was right.

And it still won't matter.

And it's still a hypothetical argument. Well, you say you're wrong if the Eagles win.

No, because it's never happened.

Here's the thing. We're not necessarily wrong if the Eagles win, but we're definitely right if the packers win.

Correct. That is the opposite. 100% right. Matt, I need two things this season. I I need the Eagles to lose this game. I need the Eagles to have a tie. I'm going to bet on the Eagles to tie every single week, Max. I have to find something to replace-What if they tie against the packers? Thinking about the Washington Commanders. That will get confusing. That will get confusing. Too confusing. I think that would be a win for Max. That's the only way Max can win this, is if the packers tie the Eagles on Monday Night Football.

It is a hypothetical argument if the packers win.

Max, I want you to beat the packers.

I'm going to be so right about the hypothetical argument. I'm going to win that hypothetical argument.

Max, I don't think you understand division records actually matter, and we're right behind the packers, so I want you to beat the packers. I don't think you get that.

I do get it.

No, you don't.

What you don't get is that conference.

He doesn't get it. Everybody else in the NFC.

What you don't understand because you haven't been fighting for the top of the conference in two decades is that sometimes it matters to be at the top of the NFC.

Right. But you want to beat that team head to head.

Okay. And you wish that they had won last week. Mm-hmm.

I certainly do not wish that they won.

Well, you're going to regret that. No. Story's not over yet, buddy.

There's no chance of you winning this argument. Oh, yeah, there is. There's actually a big chance.

If the packers kick your ass, we won the argument. You will never know. You will never know.

Yeah, we will. You will never know.

I'm going to know.

You will never know.

I will 100% know.

You will never know.

Oh, man.

It doesn't matter.

Are you going to the game?

I don't know.

What's It's a spread.

Whose line is it?

The packers are favored. They were favored two and a half points going into last week, and they're favored two and a half points now.

All right, so there's like a 56% probability that we're right about this argument.

That's what I'm Same. You guys...

Yeah, but... Listen, oddsmakers-The only one who can definitively win is me.

No.

Odsmakers don't really understand sports.

Because you forgot that it's me and PFT arguing with you. We will find a way to win this argument.

Vegas doesn't know as much about football as me and Big Cat do.

We will beat you down. We will do circular facts that make no sense, and then we will win. If the Eagles win this game, we never talked about any of this.

No, if the Eagles win this game.

I'll be a coward. I will hide from this argument.

No, I'll tell you what, if the Eagles win this game, it's because in their meetings this week, their coaches were like, These guys are going to come out with a point to prove because they just lost against the Panthers. You cannot overlook this team. Yeah.

Yeah, they're a desperate team. Yeah. Okay, I had one other thing. Oh, the Cowboys, yeah. So they made it... We talked about trade deadline, but it was also weird that Jerry Jones, just right before Monday Football, said, I have a trade done. I've consummated a trade, but I'm not going to say it yet.

Yeah.

He's just being a wily old bet.

Sometimes he just says stuff. He just says stuff. Also, he had Steven A. Smith up in his box. Yeah. That was interesting. Stephen A.

Smith is trash to the Cowboys nonstop.

I think I think Steven A. Smith is an industry plant for the Cowboys. I don't think he actually hates the Cowboys. I think, one, he loves Skip Bayliss, so he's just flirting with him. Two, I think that Jerry Jones sees value in having somebody in the media that's always talking about the Cowboys, good or bad. Steven A. Smith is that guy.

It was also funny because Steven A. Smith just left the suite as soon as, I think it was Jake Ferguson's fumble. He's like, All right, I'm out. See you guys.

No, I want that on the record, though. Steven A. Smith is a fake Cowboys hater.

Yeah, I could see that.

He's a mouthpiece.

He's just getting it in. Yeah, all publicity is good publicity, right? The other thing I had before we get to Hot Seat Cool Throne, I've been thinking about it more because it was this is how you know a World Series was so good that even two days later, I'm still thinking about it. I've thought about it more and more. I think that might be the worst loss of all time for the Blue Jays because I was thinking about it. There's obviously some losses you can throw out there. You can throw out the '23 Super Bowl, Falcons. You can throw out what?

Oh, throw out.

I'm saying throw it out there as possible. Oh, yeah. By the way, the TV ratings people are so funny, baseball fans. Listen, baseball was awesome. World Series is awesome, and I get it. Do people not remember it was the Oklahoma City Thunder versus the Indiana Pacers, and Tyrese Halliburton got hurt 30 seconds into the game? I loved baseball Twitter.

Yeah, it's so exciting.

There's just such a lack of context to it. I Both sports are awesome. We're a big go sports podcast where every sport gets their shine. But it was very funny. They're like, The biggest city in Canada, what's Toronto? The fourth or fifth biggest city in North America. Los Angeles is the second biggest playing in the game.

With Japanese superstars.

With Japanese superstars versus Indiana Pacers versus Oklahoma City Thunder and the best player on the Pacers getting hurt seconds into the game.

Yeah, Grock says This doesn't count Canada viewership.

Oh, okay. That's grock. There's a lot of Canadians living in America.

Yeah, but between... No, you're right. I was going around at the bar on Saturday, and I was like, This is actually probably going to be the highest rated baseball game ever. People were very impressed with that. They're like, Oh, that makes me want to watch more. Between Halliburton and Dick Cheney, it's been a tough year.

Really tough. My thought was there have been worse singular losses, right? But in terms of what the Blue Jays fans went through with all three games, they obviously lost four games, but three of the losses being so tragically horrific in the 18-inning game, the wedgey game, and then being inches away from winning the World Series. It's the slow burn of the loss, where if you're a Falcons fan, you're looking at 28 to three, or Bartman, or the kick six, there's some losses that are out there, but those happen in one game or maybe two games. This was 10 days where it just... And you had three, two going back home.

It's just insane. Now, do you think that because there are three specific things you can point to and I'd say this is why you can even point to getting more. But I'm saying you can even point to getting doubled up at second base in game six. You can point to the bad lead in game seven, and you can point to that crazy-ass catch in In game seven.

Two outs away from being World Series champs. And Miguel Rojas, the nine hitter, hits a home run.

There's so many things. But I'm saying because you can point to all those things, does it make it a little less painful in the long run, as opposed to just being like, That was the Steve Bartman game. No. There's one thing that you remember it for.

I think it makes it worse because you're like, If one of the 15 things flipped our way, we could have won the World Series.

And I think that's super sad. It's one of the worst losses, yes. But I think if you ask a Philly's fan, Joe Carter, right? You have the Joe Carter. He was dead. He was dead. But if you have the Joe Carter moment, then you have one thing that you can look back on and be like, That one name will hurt me for forever. In this, you've got... It's almost like there's too many heartbreaking things that happened for you to look back in 20 years and feel that one specific point of pain.

Yeah, I think the accumulation of all the moments, because we mentioned on Sunday, the 2011 World Series, where the Rangers were, I think they were two strikes away twice or whatever it was from winning the World Series. That's a very acute pain You're like, Man, we were that close. The Blue Jays, you can just say there are 25 at bats and moments and base running in the wedge, that if any of those flip, if any of those flip, you are probably World Series champions. It's just that's so painful.

They got to have one guy to blame it.

What? What? Better team lost.

Yeah, actually, when the guy said it, I was like, I don't believe that, but this is the closest you can come to actually making that argument.

They got to have one guy that they can blame it on. And to me, you need a scapegoat. That guy is Jerry O'Neill. So it's forever going to be the Jerry O'Neill World Series. That's fair. He called me last night.

Also, Hoffman giving up that home run to Miguel Rojas is still just so insane.

Yeah.

And it's the screenshot of the slide into home. Yep.

Where he just gets a lead. If you don't get doubled up in game six. The wedge is a... I think I actually want to see Dude Perfect go out and try it. I think it would take them weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks to hit the exact shot, exact spot.

To just get it lodged? Yeah.

To hit it hard enough.

Yeah, you got to hit it hard enough, and it's got to lodge perfectly. It didn't bounce. It just lodged. It's insane. Yeah, that I'm sorry for Blue Jay's fans, but I'm more like saying that if you're going to lose, at least you now have the worst loss ever.

I don't know about that. I disagree. I'm giving you anything.

I'm giving you anything. No Blue Jay's fans here now. Of course.

Of course. You know what? Good point. They can walk around and be like, They can basically in 20 years when someone's like, Oh, man, that loss was bad. They'll be like, No, it wasn't. It wasn't as bad as this. You got to least something you have in your back pocket. It was a bad loss. I'm not saying it's a good thing.

I'd say that with double doink. You bring that up, like, willingly.

I'm not saying it's a good thing. I'm just saying you can at least just Trump card everyone be like, no, actually, you don't have it as bad.

That's not a Trump card.

You don't want to play. You don't want it, but you have it. You have it now. I'm just trying to give you... He's trying to give you anything that you have to walk away with. You have it.

Got the leaves. Jesus.

Shut out Oldie. Oldie getting the boys buzzing before the game last night was awesome to see. Just waiting in the tunnel for him. How many times did he say boys are buzzing?

He hated it on jeans and just got to go. Got to go.

We got to maybe get the leaves.

His jeans were insane. Yeah.

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Yes. And that is so brutal. That is so, so brutal.

That is unconscionable. I feel like Maple Leifs, Bill's Parlay.

Raptors won a title?

Yeah. Kawaii. They did. They Kawhi did. They did. Kawhi did that. Kawaii did that shit.

Okay.

Who did he beat in the playoffs that year? Warriors. Warriors. No, but in the playoffs before that.

Oh, the Sixers.

Yeah, that's right. That was a crazy shot. That was crazy.

That was crazy. Talk about Game 7.

It's so far back because it wasn't even the conference finals.

That was pre-Max. Max was dead on this show.

Max was dead.

He was a dead guy. I was live in real life, dead on this show. Max, I got to say-Thank God, I was dead on this show for that shot.

I got to say, it's been a rough couple of sports days for me, but one thing that's always going to put a smile on my face is just poking Max. Thank you, Max. Yeah. That's not cool.

My hot seat is Ja Morant. Yeah.

Lost his joy.

Yeah. He's beefing with his coaches. This was a week or so ago, but he was getting pushed in a press conference after the game, and he was like, Just ask the coaches, ask the coaches, ask the coaches. And then last night, he said he's lost his joy.

Yeah. Well, they won't let him do guns anymore.

Yeah, they're three and five on the season. It's bad. Lowest points per game since 2020.

It's bad. It feels like he needs a trade very badly. Just get him out of there. Get him a new place. You know what?

I'm not done believing in John Morant, Big Cat.

No, I'm not either. I'm not either.

No, it does feel like a change of scenery is something that has to happen. Yeah. I feel like they're being changed the coach. A ton of... Well, they did. Yeah. They did that last year. Yeah. They fired their coach, and they were going to make the playoffs, right? That's true.

Max and Zack, I got caught by that, too. I think that was fake. I needed to make sure. There was a fake Kevin Durant tweet going around that it was Ja Morant and Anthony Edwards said, Who's stopping this? And the fake tweet is Kevin Durant replying, Baby Mama's in Glock's.

Yeah, that's fake. That's fake. Very obvious.

Durant says, Fuck shit like that. And then he deletes it, too.

So it's I got notice on for Kevin Durant at all times. I will verify if that's true. But no, you can't get fooled by the Baby Mama's and Glock's tweet. Yeah.

By the way, I saw an NBA thing that I think people are probably more aware of, so maybe it's new to me, but the Pelicans are just soft quitting and going to probably be in relocate, and we know it from way far in advance. Because remember, we had the weird trade in draft day. They hired Joe Dumars, who hadn't been in that position for 11 years. He's basically been... The Derek Queen trade was crazy. I don't think they've won a game yet. Then this guy on Twitter, Retro Pel said that they have no promotional calendar for the season. They stop doing any type of watch parties or any type of- No bobbleheads? No bobblehead? Yeah, I don't think so. And there's no marketing team slogan. Every other team has one. They're the only one that doesn't. They're just soft quitting.

Pel, I can.

They're soft quitting. They're basically just tanking the team so they can move the franchise.

Pel up. Pel, let's talk. It is bullshit. I think that any team in the NBA that's thinking about relocating, though, there's going to be a wrinkle that's thrown in now, which is because of the gambling stuff. The NBA's boogie man that they have out there is they want a Vegas team so bad.

Seattle. Or I guess we'll do both.

Yeah, but I don't think that Silver is going to... The time is not right for him to push for a Vegas team.

Yeah, but- It might be too late. The wheels are in motion.

It's already happening. No, but with FBI investigation, you got guys in Windbreakers coming into your office and you're going to put a team in Vegas?

I don't know. You got Pablo Tori on your ass. You're going to go to Vegas?

Yeah.

It's hot. The block is hot.

Block is hot right now. If Adam Silver does it, then tip of the cap, he's a real one.

Seattle.

Seattle? I would love a team in Seattle. They're going to do both.

Yeah, no, they are going to do both. I think they'll be able to get away with Vegas because the NFL already did it. Once the NFL does it-Yeah, but the NFL doesn't have-They don't have the FBI.

I understand, but I'm just saying-after the NBA did their own investigation and cleared-Yeah, Cash Patel isn't trying to drag down the NFL to prop up the NHL.

But they can also just say, Well, it's legal here, so we can regulate it. He's an optics guy. They'll do it and they'll just say it. They'll say it's fine.

My cool thrown is Clones.

Clones?

Yeah.

Iowa State?

Tom braided. Cloning himself? Cloned his dog.

This stuff makes me...

It just makes me think. I think it was a company that he invested in, too.

That's weird because Tom seems like such a normal guy, and then he does something like this.

What if he clones himself?

The thing with this is...

That'd be awesome.

The dog has to be a little bit different, and you notice it, and that's got to be so offsetting.

How old was the dog? The dog passed away two years ago. The dog had been living with him while he was a Super Bowl champion. Now you're bringing up a clone of your dog and expecting it to be the same when you're not a winner anymore. He's still a winner. That dog's not going to have Championship DNA.

Did he rename the dog? Yes. Okay. I don't know, man. I don't think I can get behind this stuff.

No.

You like it, Hank?

I support Tom.

Good answer. Yeah. Nice political answer right there.

Good answer. I feel like it's just a move that greats do is wanting to clone themselves. Ted Williams, Tom braided. Let's get a super team going.

It's your dog.

It's your dog. It's your dog. There's going to be something different.

In his defense, what other way is there to get a dog? Yeah, it's right. That's how you get dogs. Yeah.

Go buy Stella Blue coffee.

You just extract blood from your old one, and then you send it to a lab, and then a robot mixes it together, and then they inject that into another female dog, and then your dog is born again. That's a beautiful thing about nature.

Now we got to reprint all the shirt, like Adopt, don't shop, Adopt, don't clone.

Yeah. Bone, don't clone. Yeah.

Okay. Your Hot Seat, Cool Terrone.

My hot seat is us. Sports podcasters. I was trying to look up some stats on Sunday night, and I was trying to find the last time that a team had lost four consecutive games by 21 or more points. I ended up just asking our guy StatHole, who got it to me in two seconds. But I was looking all over the internet for the best ways to look up these types of stats, and I found in one of my searches a landing page for something called Fox Sports AI.

Uh-oh.

I went to it, and it's a landing page for sports AI beta, but there's no AI bot that you can use yet, but it's like an announcement page for it, for a product that hasn't come out yet. Nobody at Fox Sports knew what it was when I was trying to ask about it. What it is- Is it going to make us? Yeah. I read through it. They're creating a robot online that can do hot takes on demand. Ask Sports AI for bold takes, trending topics, or a second opinion on a hot button issue. Whether you're defending your team or talking trash, Sports AI is ready to jump in. I don't know that AI can replicate what we do because we're so wrong. I don't think robots can be wrong on purpose.

No, they can't. But it's in their bylaws.

I brought this up to Blutman, and he was like, It might just be Cletus. And if this is Cletus, then respect to Cletus, the NFL robot. Mad respect. When this comes out, we're going to have to do a John Henry versus the machine against this AI bot to prove that humans are still superior.

Oh, boy.

We're cooked.

Yeah, no, we are cooked.

We got like two years.

Two? I'd like to give us a little more than two.

Every movie, it's like-That's when Hank is going to owe me $50,000. The AI comes out, and then it starts to get smarter, and then eventually it gets smarter, and then things go haywire. We're in the like, we're trying to work with AI. I give it a couple more years before AI then just takes us over.

Yeah.

Although I did-Because everyone right now is like, Oh, let's use AI. It's fun. Ai solutions.

And also every time you make a video of AI, doesn't it take water away from an entire city in power?

Yeah. But I read an article yesterday that was about how businesses are pushing back against AI because all the AI companies companies, convince them that it's here and it's the future. Then they get these AI bots and they suck because they're wrong 40% of the time. You can't have that if you're running a business because it costs you money. Then you're like, I'm going to cancel my robot subscription. Then the AI companies are like, Hey, we're not selling as many robots as we used to. Then the vampires that are funding the AI companies are like, Well, we're going to need some of that money back that we gave you an investment. Also, it's important to remember that the people that are designing AI are dorks. Yeah.

Well, here's my big take on AI, Hank, is that I think that it actually we might come out the other end pretty good because everything's going to be so fake and you have no idea what's real or not online, that human interaction becomes the gold standard. We all just ditch our phones in our computers and we just... This, me and you, looking at each other becomes real. It becomes the best thing you can add.

I'm down to ditch phones. People aren't going to do that. You're not going to No, we're not done.

I'll fucking do it.

We should still have podcasts. The new phone should just be a box that you get podcasts on.

There's going to be AI podcasts.

That's what I'm saying. This Fox Sports AI Hot Takebot, I don't think it could come up with the stupid shit that we get wrong unintentional. It can't be wrong on purpose.

We'll just get even more wrong. Anything we say that's wrong from here on forward, it's so that we're getting AI off to send.

I've not yet begun to be wrong about shit like this fucking packer's take.

You'll bring it up again. Good call.

That's correct. You think an AI robot would come up with this take, Max? No. Ai robots don't understand statement losses.

Facts. Statement loss is different than whatever.

We weren't talking about statement loss, but that's fine. Hey, listen, he misspoke. That was to get AI off to send. Good job, PFT.

I think it might be a statement loss by the packers now because we know that the Panthers We know that the Panthers every year that Ohio State wins the Championship and JLo gets divorced, they make it to the Super Bowl.

Okay, what's your cool trope?

My cool trope is Kevin Stefansky because everyone's going to be off his back now because he has given up play calling duties to Tommy Reece. Nice. So the problem with the Browns offense, it's no longer on Kevin Stefansky's page. It's on Tommy Reece. And if you're asking, Hey, didn't Kevin Stefansky do this same thing last year? You would be correct. Yeah. This is like an It's an annual thing. It's like the leaves turning. That's fine. Clocks falling forward. Same thing with Stefansky. This is what he does.

I know both guys. I trust both guys, so they're fine.

Yeah. Except when Tommy tried to go by Tom for a year. That was a red flag. It's like, Your name Your name's Tom. Tommy Reece. Yeah.

Okay, my hot seat is... I have two. The first one is going to be Mick Cronin because Mick Cronin, the UCLA Bruins, started their 2025, 2026 college basketball campaign. They won against Eastern Washington. But Mick Cronin said after the game, I blame myself. I knew this was coming, but I couldn't stop it. I failed miserably. Arrogance, lack of humility, don't want to defend, don't want to rebound, don't want to play defense. There are so many mistakes. I'd like to fire myself.

That's accountability.

He wants to fire himself.

Yep. Hand up. Mick Cronin. He gets it. He could. He gets it. I could see him firing himself and then rehiring himself on an interim basis.

Yeah, but one game I want to fire myself. Yeah, I love Mick Cronin. He's great. Then my other hot seat is Hank. Little cautionary tale there, Hank, because we're getting some more details on Hugh Fries at Auburn. He was so obsessed with golf that some of the boosters said he showed up on Friday before games without his golf clubs just wanting to watch guys play golf.

No. That is a tall tale. Okay. That is a tall tale.

The booster said, The only problem we didn't foresee is that he wanted to play golf way more than coach anymore. He said, On Friday before a home game this season, Fries again showed up to a golf course as an Auburn booster told CBS Sports, Fries just came out to the golf course without clubs to watch guys play golf.

There is no shot. If you're that obsessed with golf, that's the last thing you wanted to do.

Am I going crazy or did I bring that up on Monday? No, you brought up Monday. Then you said, No, it's because he lost in Kentucky.

Well, yeah, I said I mean, he lost to Kentucky.

But yeah, this has been a story about- Yeah, no, I know.

This is a new story. He went to watch guys play golf.

Watching guys play golf is crazy.

I was saying, specifically on Saturday night, he lost to Kentucky.

He also had a standing date, a standing tea time at a country club. That's totally normal. Then when people caught onto it, then people did more snooping around because they found out that his wife was still logging all her scores onto the GHIN, knowing that she was playing with him every week. He just stopped logging his handicap. So he's also been sandbagging in addition to- He has been sandbagging. Coaching losing football.

No, but I know you said that on Sunday, but I was saying, specifically, Kentucky's garbage, and they scored three points against Kentucky. But yes, golf is now... He's watching dudes play golf.

No, Hugh Fries is- I don't believe that.

Okay. Well, it's just a cautionary tale.

He came from liberty- I would never do that.

Okay.

I would never do that.

Never?

To show up and just watch.

Yeah, Because you know that you can't play, you can plausible deniability be like, Hey, I didn't play today. I just watched.

I wouldn't want to do that.

Listen, this was from John Talti on CBS Sports. He posted on Monday afternoon.

I believe it because showing up and just watching, that's what they do at Liberty?

Mm-hmm. Day before camp in a hole in one. Come on, you freeze.

That's awesome.

That's so sick. I mean, this is a classic. This is all getting reported now that he's on his way out. Every Every coach golfs.

That's what they do. He's got a lot of time to go. No, I think some coaches don't golf.

A lot of coaches golf.

A lot of coaches don't golf.

You think Coach O golfs?

Yeah.

No.

No. Yeah, I don't think so.

Booster But they have to. Every coach on some level has to at least be able to form a golf swing. Yeah, they have to be able to-They have to play in some events, boosters, charities, boosters events.

They have to be able to show up at a golf event and wear a polo shirt at the bare minimum.

Because this happened to Brian Kelly, too. Brian Kelly played 400 rounds. You got to start standing up for golfers.

I will. I will happily do that.

What are you going to do?

What am I going to do?

Yeah, stand up.

I'm going to show that you can play a lot of golf and still perform at a high level. Okay.

Nice. Yeah, you can't.

A lot of Ken. A lot of saving. He's golfed all the time.

I mean, the fact that he's able to do that with the back condition that he has That was incredible. That's a more impressive comeback story than Fusion Tiger. Look at you. You do the same thing. Look at me, me and Hugh.

My cool drone is Wisconsin football. Finally, some good news. Matt Brown from Extra Points did a foyer request of 35 universities to see, trying to figure out where NIL money can come from. And part of it is beverage sales, beer sales. And he did that for 35 universities in Wisconsin had $1 million more than second place in terms of beer sales in stadium. Got that. $3 million so far this year. Nebraska is second in $2 million. So that's cool, I guess.

Wisconsin crushes.

Yeah, they drink a lot of beer.

It does. My favorite graphic that goes viral every now and again is where they show the drunkest cities in America. Out of the top 10, I want to say, or top 20, maybe, 14 are in Wisconsin.

It's just a heat map.

It's a heat map.

And it's just all Wisconsin.

Wisconsin likes beer. Yeah. Credit to them.

We just got to sell more beer and maybe get some more players. It's a lot of Wisconsin. Okay, Zack, your hot seat cool to run.

My hot seat this week is going to be Rockstar Games. We have an update on the GTA VI front.

Oh, there's no way this is a real update.

And by update, I mean, they have since deleted the now launch date off the website, off the landing page, May 2026 is no more. They're backtracking again. I think we're going to get hit with another calendar year of waiting.

I heard a rumor about GTA. Maybe you can tell me if this is true or not. Hank, you'll appreciate this. I heard that within the game of GTA 6, there's going to be 18 holes of golf that you can play. There's going to be a full-fledged golf video game inside of GTA.

There is a golf course in GTA 5. Them leveling that up to full 18 makes sense to me. I can't confirm the rumor, but they're saying there's so much you should be able to do in the game if it ever comes out that I definitely don't doubt they're being 18 hole golf.

I love that. I think they're just making second life. I think they're just making the best second life of all time.

Yeah, for sure. All right, so GTA 6 is not coming out.

They took the launch date off the website.

Just put it out. I'm sure they're trying to perfect it so that the guy's shadow looks awesome and the ripples and the waves. Just fucking put it out. No one cares.

They did pick up a lot. You guys have ever seen a 5M or GTA RP, the role play servers you can play on?

No, I didn't know what you just said.

So RP is like second life, where in GTA, it's modded out a little bit to where you can just run a chain of convenience stores or you can have a food truck.

Could you be a podcaster?

Yeah, they got studios. You could probably be a podcaster or like a Gang Mors or like, So Listen Substances. You can do all sorts of stuff. They hired a bunch of the RP guys last year from 5M. So maybe Maybe we are leaning towards more of a second-life situation, but it just never comes out.

They might just be making the everything game. Every other game is built into GTA, and you can play it. There's probably a flight simulator in it.

They need to make it so that you can...

Like, What is it? It's a flight simulator.

No, but I mean, like a full-fledged flight simulator, high-fidelity cockpit.

Then they make it so that you just plug your brain into it so you're not even playing with a controller, and you just go to sleep and you play the game.

That would be cool. So GTA It gets with meta.

Spy Kids, too.

Yeah. No, and when you buy it-Hatrix. Yeah, you don't even buy the game. You buy a pill, and it's a red pill, and then you just take the red pill.

And you sign in with what? Like blood type?

Yeah.

Okay. Then you just sign in with your name, Neo. Okay, your cool turn?

My cool turn this week is Luke from the Outdoor Boys, because for the next foreseeable future, next couple of weeks, we get some more Outdoor Boys back, boys.

Oh, he's back? He's coming back. He's coming back. He missed it too much.

He missed it. This is how it starts. For the next For people who don't know, this is the most wholesome content on the Internet, period. It's this guy. Where does he live? Alaska?

He is somewhere very frigid all the time.

Yeah, he's a lawyer, and he had an incredible channel where he basically teaches you how to survive. He has two young boys that he teaches them how to survive, hunt, fish, build huts. He just retired, what, six months ago, saying that he wanted to just be with his family more, and now he's back? It's Unfinished Videos in November. Uploading three previously unfinished videos in November.

So he's still retired, but this is just from the vault.

Yeah, in the retirement video, he's like, Hey, I have been working on these three videos. If I wrap them up, finish them, I'm going to give them to you guys. These next three Saturdays are when we get those. It's almost like we're hopping in an outdoor boys time machine going back.

Oh, so your plans are set.

A time block on Saturdays for a little bit.

Is this going to be the best career move that he ever made? These videos are going to go nuts, aren't they? Like, Numbers? Mm-hmm. Three.

I mean, he's been...

Sorry. Yeah, he just had three.

That was a great three. Yeah.

Automatic on the three there.

But you know what I'm saying? It's like If an artist dies, all the artwork, it goes up in price. If you retire from something, obviously people are going to spend more money on the stuff that you made beforehand. If you say you're walking away from the Internet and you actually follow through, and in this case, six months, that's a very long retirement to follow through on because a lot of people say, Oh, I'm never logging on to X the Everything app. It's all happening on X again. And then they re-sign up in a week. But the fact that he's been gone for so long, when he drops these videos, I feel like those are going straight to the top of the charts. Yeah.

Yeah, he was already in the out of this world boom zone as far as the charts go. This is just probably your right to actually go boom.

I like that. Five big ones. The out of the world boom zone. Boom zone.

I love it. You got to be in the boom zone.

We ever put on any videos that are out of this world boom zone?

D. K. Metcalf and Aaron Donald.

Every week, boom zone. Okay, good job, Zack. Let's do a couple of ads, and we'll get to our interview.

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Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest. He's one of our best friends. Recurring guest, it is Johnny Fanta, a. K. A. Johnny Football, because we have Johnny Fanta here to talk a little college basketball. But we're going to start with football because he's covering football now. If you're watching NBC, if you're watching the Big Ten on Saturday night, they're doing the Fanta Minute. And I love it every time I get so jacked up when I see you on my TV on Saturday night, except when it's Wisconsin playing getting absolutely manhandled, which did happen a couple of weeks ago. But, Johnny, great to see you. Do you want to talk some football first?

Let's go. I mean, how about the Big Ten with the top two teams in the country? And that Matt Patricia defense that has just been absolutely dominant in Columbus, the repeat threat is But to me, Coach Signetti has totally changed the sport of college football. He's put everybody on notice saying, Don't give me two, three, four years that it takes you to figure it out with a program. There's a real national Championship contender in Bloomington, and that's really cool out of Indiana. College football is wild, guys. I've loved jumping in the sport. I'm having a blast on Saturday. It's like you said, Big Cap with MBC, trying different things. One of my favorite things, and you guys can relate to this, is they'll say, Hey, let's do something random. I'm like, Hey, this week, South Dakota is playing South Dakota State in football, and North Dakota is playing North Dakota State. Let's highlight the chaos in the sport because there's no shortage of it. I know you both love it, and I've loved jumping into it.

It's awesome. If we want to talk the most chaotic storyline, and I've talked to Big Cat a little bit about this before. I don't know if we've really talked about that much on the air, but just look at Washington State's schedule this year. It is supreme chaos. They play against Oregon State twice this year. They travel all across the country playing anybody who will play against them. They're like, We got a schedule to fill up. That's what I love about college football, the craziness of it. You talked about Signetti. Do you think that coaches now are like, Hey, dude, what the fuck? Why did you turn this around so quickly? We've been selling three, four-year rebuilds everywhere that we go, and it's worked out pretty good. And then you just get in and you dominate. I'd be upset at them for that.

It's true. Look, he's been the trendsetter. I mean, Mike Elko is the same way. And I just think in this new age, the era of talking through processes and then it takes time and it takes patience, When people are like, Hey, you guys shouldn't talk about that guy's seat being hot, or you guys shouldn't talk about... Look, I know coaches. I know humans have families, and we get that side of it. But the fact is, the amount of money that you're being compensated and the expectations to also... This is not a four-team playoff. It's not a BCS National Championship game. You have a shot to make a 12-team playoff. If you're one of the mainstream programs, Indiana was not in that realm. Indiana is more like a destination type. But to your point, PFT, about the interim coach thing and change and the chaos in college football, that's my thing. This sport is so wild. This sport is so wild because I thought of Oregon State this past week. I love the Ed Orgeron sounding coach after the win over.

Was it Washington State? Washington State, yeah. 10-7.

This sport is so chaotic, you could power rank the interim coaches.

Yeah, it's true. Well, let me ask you, this is going to be a hard question, John. I hate to start you off like, drilling you. We want to do softballs. We want to butter you up a little bit. I need you to tell me, is Indiana a football school or a basketball school, John?

Well, I do believe that it's both. I mean, I don't think- No, cop out.

No, it can't be both. Give it to us. You're not one.

So to me, here's my take on this. If Indiana football has their best season, right, which now, what is their best season? Is it a national championship?

Yeah. Is that within the realm? Yeah, absolutely within the realm. Yes.

If Indiana football has their very best season, and Indiana basketball has their very best season, which today, the fact is, that's not a national championship. They are not a national title contender. But if they do, let's just I wouldn't say Darren Devries gets them back to being a top three to five team in the country. They're going to have enough money. They've got the brand power. The Big Ten is loaded. I always like it to, okay, if you look at those two programs and they have their absolute best season, where is their more interest. And to me, there's more move the needle interest nationally with Indiana basketball if they are that damn great. And so my argument is Indiana will always be a basketball school first.

That's the correct answer.

That is absolutely correct. But the fact that it took you that long to explain why Indiana's basketball school makes me think maybe it's a football school.

Well, it's also the Indiana football Twitter is similar to Providence College Twitter, where it's like, you don't want to get on the wrong side of those guys.

And I'm not saying that was a bad I'm saying that for our entire lives, you ask that question and the answer, it's like, why did you ask me that stupid question? Of course, basketball. No. The best part, if they do win a national championship in football, is going to be we get to all tell Indiana, Yeah, you're a football school now, and they will secretly grow to resent the fact that their football team won an Addy because now they have to defend their basketball program.

Well, the one thing that I thought about, and I agree with you, is that if somebody said, yes, Sig's got a lifetime deal, if goes three and nine, they should start building the statue anyways. And Sig's never going to go three and nine. I think Kurt Signetti, I love him. I don't know him, but like Sig, I love you because I think you're yourself. And I love when the camera pans to your face and you've got 70 different expressions throughout the game. That's what people love about Hurley. It's what people love about a Patino. It's what people love about different figures in sport, which those are running low on the coaching side. But Sieg is one of those guys where you just You're captivated by it. But if Indiana basketball goes to comparable to three and nine, that's not okay. No matter if it's Bob Knight or if it's whoever the coach is, it's not okay if Indiana basketball is that bad. They got to get going. There's a side thing here as they hire Darren Devries. And think about it, like Purdue has dominated the sport of college basketball in the Big Ten in particular now in recent years, even though Michigan was the Big Ten tournament the title.

There are schools that your main sport, it doesn't just go away. It might be in the shadows, but there's just certain places that you got to get good because the sport's better when you're good. The sport's better when you're playing meaningful games deep into a season. I think about that with like, USC and Nebraska football. I was watching that game last Saturday, and I'm like, I'm into this game a little bit. It was during game seven of the World Series, but I was saying to myself like, I want to see one of these two be up here. Not six and two. When are they going to be seven and one or eight and oh?

Yeah. No, you're right. Nebraska has been trying to climb that hill for a while. Same with USC. They They've been trying to capture that back, that magic, because USA really should never be bad with what the talent they have in Southern California. I was watching the other night on Saturday night, you threw out an idea. You said, Why not call Dabo if you're one of these schools that's looking for a coach right now? Do you think there's a chance that could happen? Do you think that Dabo Sweeni could potentially not get fired from Clemson but decide to leave on his own and do a fresh start somewhere else?

One million %. I think that he is John Calipari going to Arkansas waiting to happen. Oh, I like it. Because I think things have run their course. You want to end things in a place where it wouldn't end pretty. If you ever had to go back to Clemson, I think the act for both sides, this is like a marriage that started out really strong and had some terrific memories, and you even had a couple of kids, and you're proud of what you produced. But then you get about 17, 18 years into it, and you wake up one morning and you say, Man, is this what I want to for the rest of my life? And by the way, I was the 14th seed on this show who met my wife for the three seed. So I just told that I hope that she never wakes up and thinks that about my ass. But the point is, I want us, honey, I want us to be together forever. I don't want us to get to 18 years and then hang it up.

And have an offer and come calling. Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. God bless you, Fritz. He's counting his dollars somewhere. But the fact is, if you're Dabo, you You've... Somebody's got to say to him, I always think about with these coaches, does anyone get through to them? Some of them, the answer is no. But at some point, even Cal had someone get through to him and be like, Look, There's still something in there. It's just not going to happen here. When Cal made the street 16 this past year, remember the energy? Remember the feeling? Yeah. Think about Dabo. Let's just say he goes to... I'm just going to throw it out. Let's just say he goes to Virginia Tech. I don't think that'll happen because it's within the ACC. But maybe he takes Florida State or something. Maybe he takes Florida. I mean, I don't think Florida would do it, but let's just say he does something like that. I don't think LSU. I highly doubt that. But he takes one of those programs to the payoff. All of a sudden, he writes something new that gives a different energy, and sometimes more energy, because that fan base, they haven't tasted it yet. The Clemson fans have tasted the top.

Once you've tasted the top, it's so much harder to stay there, especially in this climate. So for Dabo, your story is written at Clemson. I think it's probably best for both parties, for him to be elsewhere and for Clemson to move forward in some other way because it's run its course, guys.

Yeah, I like You're selling me, Johnny. You're selling me. Yeah.

Go to a place where they treat you like it's a new thing again.

Yeah. New positions and stuff.

Yeah.

Yeah. You like a new career type of opportunity. It gives you a freshness. And also, he's in a conference that he should be winning. It's not working in the ACC. All right, so if I were him, I'd be intrigued by the SEC. You know why? They get five teams in the playoff.

It's true. I don't know if I'd be intrigued by Auburn, though. No. I feel like Auburn is... It's like the worst of both worlds because you have the SEC Which draws you in. You're like, Okay, go into an SEC school. They care deeply and passionately about football. But at the same time, they do not tolerate. They have that expectation. We're supposed to compete in the SEC. We've won two national championships in the last 25 years. Go look on the side of our stadium. We just put up a new one. You can check that one out for yourself. That's their expectation that they have. I don't think it's a very realistic expectation for Auburn football. I feel like that would be a tough job to take. You need somebody that's got That's like, you have to hit a home run with that higher for it to work.

Yes, there are levels to this. There are levels to this. That's why he's got to go to... He's likely got to go to one of the best openings in the sport. But as we all know, the one biggest thing in college football right now is you're at $180 plus million in buy-out money. At this point, if you're going to fire your coach, do you realize that you're taking a number on a Saturday morning at a New York City deli during the holiday week, and you have to go and stand in that line? And that line is loaded with people who want a half pound of turkey breasts and a half pound of roast beef and a half pound of this. Lsu is one of one still. I don't care about the governor. Florida is one of one still. Penn State is one of one still. And if you are in that line and your name is not one of those three, you may not get your guy, the second guy, or the third guy. So if you're going to fire your coach now, there's only so many good names. That's why actually I would turn it and say, Dabo, if there were ever a time for you to leverage yourself, it's probably right It's right now.

Yeah. All right, Johnny, I got a question for you because now that you are at MBC, I noticed also you tweeted something the other day about Miami being number two a couple of weeks ago and now being out of the playoff. Now, Miami is disappointed This is what has happened to Miami the last few years. They fade. Every year in September, everyone says this team's different, and then they show up to ACC play, and they don't do well. I think Mario is 4-11 in November and December. So So that aside, and we don't know the rankings yet. We talked about them at the start of the show. We're taping this before the rankings come out. You work for MBC now. My simple question to you is, if Miami's out of the playoffs, is Notre Dame out of the playoffs?

Well, today, I would say that, yes, that they are out of- They're both out.

They're both out. Okay, because you know what I'm getting at here. Miami's loss hurts Notre Dame because Notre Dame and Miami now have the same record, and Notre Dame, to get in, needs Miami to now lose another one. They need them to either be a one-loss team or a three-loss team because they played head-to-head, and those games have to matter.

But I think the Irish, if they went out, will make the play.

And what if Miami wins out? Also make the play?

I don't think so.

Now, John, you can't have that. You can't have Miami with two losses out of the play and Notre Dame with two losses in the play. This is the MBC showing. This is your MBC showing.

Wait a minute. No, it's not. I'm not on the play. I'm not on the playoff committee. I don't decide who the teams are. I just have a gut feeling like you two do that you know that this committee is going to- Yeah, no, I said it right away after their first two losses.

I was like, Notre Dame is still going to go to the playoff.

And seasons evolved. I mean, whether anybody... Notre Dame and Miami are different teams than who they were on Labor Day weekend.

They just are. But do the games matter, John?

They're supposed to. But this is where the playoff... I think Notre Dame will make the playoff. If I were making a bracket today, I likely would not put them there right here, right now. But I think that they will ultimately make it. The reason why... With Miami, I should address your question of if they went out. Well, here's the thing, Big Cat. If they went out, there's still no guarantees. In fact, the odds are stacked against them that they would get a chance to fight for an automatic bid because the ACC title game, it's all but out for them when you look at those conference things. Here they are at two and two, and you got Virginia at five and oh, and Georgia Tech at Pittsburgh at five and one, and then a few other teams at four and one. I think that there's no question, and this is I'll say this about... I really believe in this. I'm not giving the company a lot. I don't think that we don't do a two-hour long pregame show on Saturday mornings like some of the other networks do. But I do think there is an issue in college football with the agendas and with the subjective nature of some of the beliefs and things.

When I put that out there, it's because I look at Miami and I'm like, Today, Hey, they're not.

No, you're right.

They're not a playoff team. But I think one of the other problems is that there's so much of the going to bat. And when people are like, Well, the committee doesn't look at that stuff. Come on. They're human beings like you and I. But even more like that, when people say, Hey, what's the difference between college football and college basketball? College basketball on Selection Sunday, sometimes people go to bed for a team. But guys, at least half those people are going to bed for a mid-major. Yeah. That's a little bad for some high major team that went 15 and 15. It's different. So that side of it has been interesting to learn about this season. But I just believe that the Irish, if they went out, they're going to make the playoff. I think Miami, I don't see Miami winning out. If they do, it's obviously a case, but there's nothing about their recent play that would suggest that they're going to do that.

Mbc Johnny.

What if the two teams played each other? What if they played against each Yeah, hypothetically, who would win? Yeah, who would win that game?

Today, Notre Dame.

No, but I like that. Okay, today. Yeah. Mbc Johnny. Listen, you got your welcome packet. I understand how it works. You just talked about subjectiveness. You're a subjective guy now, which I get. It makes sense. You got to be.

He said, hypothetically, if they played. Yeah. He didn't say on Labor Day weekend when they played.

No, I said, You can choose your own adventure. You could say, Yeah, I think Notre Dame, I think that it would be a big paycheck and a big spread. Oh, wait, I said the quiet part out loud.

Yeah.

We love you, Johnny. We get it. The fact of the matter is, I don't think it's a uniquely NBC situation. I just want to give you shit. I think Notre Dame, they are playing good football right now. They're playing better football than Miami is at the moment. That's fair. And the committee does take that into account. We've seen that in the past with a lot of decisions that they've made. Going into this time of year. So it's not a secret. But if that does happen, I will completely and totally side with Miami Hurricanes fans in that situation.

Yeah, you have to.

In that situation. Remember, Notre Dame's got to keep winning. They have to win out, and they have to win that game at Pittsburgh on Saturday, November 15th. And I expect that to be a big game feel out of Pit, and that's a tough spot for Notre Dame. But I like C. J. Carr and the way he's playing. And for Notre Dame, the biggest thing right now is their kicking situation. They exhausted three kickers on Saturday, so they need to find somebody who can kick the football.

Well, last college football question for me, because you do cover the Big Ten. Is it truly, and I do think this is the case, that Ohio State, Indiana is very, very good. Indiana is probably the second best team. They might be number one ranked when you're listening to this. I think Ohio State is that much better than everyone else. We've asked this question to everyone who covers college football. Is this Ohio State team better than last year's Ohio State team?

Without question. Oh. Yeah.

I like it. No, they are.

Because that defense is just filthy. I mean, Arval Rees and Sonny Stiles, Caleb Downs, and the Patricia factor is real. To me, they protect Julian Sam. As a result, guys, it is crazy to say this. Jeremiah Smith has 26 shutdowns in 24 football games. He has 26 shutdowns in 24 football games. He shows up and it's 7-0, if not 14-0 before you've snapped the ball, and they don't allow points. What if they've only allowed 53 points thus far this season around that number? I mean, come on. How do you score on them? The only formula that I would love to just see, and Because I'm curious. I want to see, and we'll see it. I think we could see it in the playoff. I mean, hell, we saw the National Championship game. Remember, Notre Dame went right down the field and scored a countdown. And then for the better part of the game from there, Ohio State dominated the line of scrimmage. But to me, it's like there's no game pressure on Ohio State. There's none. Because they can fall back on their defense. And Sayin is smart. Sayan is not getting enough credit. He's smart enough to know if I don't make mistakes, we're going to beat virtually anybody.

So I believe that they are. I believe that they're destined to be in the national championship at the very least. But it is amazing because you sit here and we love everything, all the twists and turns with this sport. And the fact is, I didn't feel it last year when they won it all. I didn't. I was a little contrary when they went and won it all. But now I feel it more this year. I'm not saying there's any job on the line, but I'm just saying you got to go into the big house and win that football game. Because you want a national championship, you got to get the burden off your back of getting owned in this rivalry in recent years. And Michigan is still tough, and they do have a formula, and they'll have the crowd on their side and all that. That's the next thing that I've got circled. But yeah, Ohio State has absolutely just dominated their way through this because they play smart football and they got the best defense. They got one of the best defenses we've seen in the last 25 years in college football.

If you get in the red zone, you don't score on them. It's crazy. It's nuts to watch.

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Ohio State, very likely they could win out as well. They'll play each other. Is there a chance that the loser of that game does not get a buy, does not become one of the top four seeds?

I would think that it would depend on what the game looks like, what the score looks like. Is it a 35-point game? And then has there been reason to believe that there's somebody else that should jump. But I like it to... And it's only because of the sample size. We also haven't had this in college football, where they actually reward the four best. Even when Auburn was struggling last year, they still got a one seed because they had built up so much rapport. And I do think there's a world where that committee shows up on Saturday morning and says, Unless there's an injury or something that is really just catastrophic for either side, we believe in their value as a top four team. Also, we don't want to stay up until 11: 45 and meet in the conference room again. They're going to be a top four team. If Ohio State and Indiana go in there, there's always a sliver. But my answer is I don't see either one of those teams not in the top four.

All right, let's shift real quick to college basketball. It is back. We made it. I know this is your favorite time. I do love Feast Week. We're a couple of weeks away. It's one of my favorite weeks of the year. Big picture going into the season. There's some really good teams. Give us your top three teams, and has it changed at all from watching on Monday night with Coa Pete in Arizona and how insanely good he was?

Reward him. Purdue, Houston, Arizona. My top three right here, right now. I'm buying the Coa Pete train, and I think Jaden Bradley is the perfect studying the ship guy for Arizona basketball. And when you look at their pedigree, You got it. Tommy Lloyd has been outstanding. He has won close to 80 % of the games that he's coached in right around there. It's because his teams are just so loaded with talent. And Pete, his ability to just own the game was incredible, guys. I mean, that is just the second Big 12 freshman ever to have a stat line like that in their debut. You don't just come in and do that. But they've got the right pieces in their frontcourt. I think a lot of people were concerned about how they would match up with Florida's front line. Forget about it. They're stacked with depth there, but they got as good a freshman as any in the country, and they've got the right guard in Bradley. Like, Braden Burries was not particularly good in this opener, but I like his upside, and I think big picture, he'll be all right. But Arizona is right there.

Houston's not going anywhere. Kelvin Samson just got his 800th win, and he's driven to get back to that final four and fulfill his own destiny. Milo Shuzan, Emmanuel Sharp, the freshman that people aren't talking about is Chris Senak. I think as he progresses along, it'll be big time. And then, guys, there's no bigger story this year. We can get to in a second on the freshman. The freshman class is the biggest story. I can tell you why in a moment. But in terms of teams, the final four is in Indianapolis. You guys have been doing your live shows at the final four. How much would you love a final four show from downtown Indy with Braden Smith, Fletcher lawyer, Trey Hoffman-Ren, everybody's good guy, Matt Painter, and Purdue, potentially, finally getting over the hump and winning it all. Like, Pain is one of the beloved guys in the sport. They've been so close. The Big Ten is trying to Snap this title drought. This is as strong of a shot as any for that drought to end, and the boilers have the pieces to cut down the dense and could do it in their home state.

That gives me chills.

I don't like Purdue, so I don't want that to happen. But yes, that would be a cool story for people who are romantic about college basketball.

If you're a Purdue hater, it could even be better. It could be Purdue losing in the Championship game in Indy. You have that upside, too.

They can get all the way there, and they could meet Dan Hurley in Yukon again, and then there you go. That could also happen.

When you're talking about freshmen, were you going to talk about Darren Peterson? Because I've read a lot about this Darren Peterson kid, and he looked really good the other night. Is he as good as I've heard that he is?

Yes. He can have a season like when Carmelo Anthony led Syracuse to a national championship.

That'd be a pretty good season.

That's the impact. That's the impact Darren Peterson can have on Kansas. Because this Kansas team, around Aaron Peterson on paper, they've got some different things that I would look at and say, Okay, I'm a little bit concerned about, big picture, but Peterson makes them go. And Flory Bedunga is a mobile postman who can cause problems for a defense. They brought in Melvin Council Jr. From St. Bonaduce, where I really like him. They brought in Trey White from Illinois. I really like him. But it's not like... Kansas sometimes has this luxury of toys, and you're just Man, they're no longer the, Hey, we just dominate the Big 12, Kansas. Houston's taking that torch. Houston will win the Big 12 again, in my estimation. But Kansas has the most game-changing player out of the Big 12. Yes, even more so than A. J. Debança. Peterson, for me, he's one. He's one today. I think that he's just a super talent. And he and Bill Self, this is another storyline. Bill Self, we don't know how much longer he's going to coach. He had a bit of a health scare in the offseason. Coach Self, we love you.

We're glad that you're back on the sidelines. You're a legend. You're a Hall of Famer. But we don't know how much longer he's going to go on the sidelines. What would it mean for him if he can get on one more final four run with this star-studded potential number one pick? And that's just it, guys. I'm I'm telling you right now, college basketball is about to have extra juice. One, because you've got a lot of players who have stayed for the money, and that helped the sport the last couple of years. The three of us have talked about it. But when is college basketball at its absolute best? It's at its absolute best when people are talking about players who are leading title contenders and could also hear their name called as the number one, number two, number three picks in the NBA draft. The NBA draft could top six be college, freshman. Cameron Booser is a winner. He's won everywhere he's gone, and he's on a team that could win it. Darren Peterson is, too. Ajay DeBounce says, Well, and now Koa Peet enters the conversation. So this freshman class, and I didn't even get to Mikhel Brown in Louisville.

Like the Louisville, Kentucky- No, you didn't.

I was wondering if you were going to get to him.

Louisville, Kentucky's back. That rivalry is back.

I love that.

It's going to be all blood. I'm telling you, the coaches will say publicly that they respect each other and that they love each other. These two coaches want to beat the hell out of each other. Pat, Kelsey, and Mark Pope, quietly, there's some of this going on, and you're going to see that class. That's next week. So get ready for a taste. That rivalry is back in a big damn way because Kentucky spent over 20 million on their roster, and Louisville, they spent a lot, too. But Kelsey's got this... Kelsey's this revolutionary, energetic presence. Brown's really good, and they've got a bunch of pieces around him that I think have a chance to shine. The Cardinals are here to stay, and so is Kentucky.

All right, fire it up.

I'm fired the hell up.

Max has a question for you that he would like to ask, and it's actually not about Kevin Willard, who was at your wedding. We should all make sure that we say that every single time. When he leaves Villanova in three years, you're going to come on this show and be like, Don't worry, guys. He's actually a great guy. But either way- That's not going to happen. Max, you have a question for Johnny football/ basketball.

I think we're about 31 minutes into this interview yet. We haven't had one mention of the Big East. Do you hate the Big East, and do you hate Italians now?

Do you see the subject matter, Max? I love the Big East, and I love Italians. Are you kidding me? I'm sitting here in a hotel room in Omaha right now, getting ready to start our NBC sports coverage of college basketball with Creighton and the South Dakota Coyotes on Wednesday night. There we go. And then I'm heading to Hartford on Friday to call a Yukon game. And then Saturday, I'm at Mohegan Sun because we've got South Florida and George Washington But then we've got Providence and Virginia Tech. There we go. All the friar faith for are going to make Mohegan Sun. They're going to be betting 100 bucks on black and then going in the arena, and they're going to be drinking, and it's going to be crazy. So I love the Big East, and I love Italians. I Meetball's. Meetball's, prayer and hoops is where this was from this show. That's how that even became a thing. And I'm always indebted to the Big East. The Big East opened up a door for me. I to college to get into college basketball, this glorious sport. And guys, this is the only league where a coach, Richard Patino and Xavier, did you guys see this?

They barely beat Marist. And Richard gives out grades for his performance. If you look at the first reply, it's from an account named Jerome Hunter Fan Club for a guy that played at Xavier now a couple of years ago. And the guy says, Coach, I didn't drink as much as I'd like to. My beer performance wasn't very good. Patino replies immediately and says, Do better next time out. But come on, that's this league in November. This league is 365 days a year basketball. It's always got a place at the table. And in Yukon and St. John's, I can't get through three minutes of a space without these two fan base is cursing each other out. I'm not kidding you. I am fully expecting at the Garden and when the other matchup is in Hartford, to a lesser degree, because it's in Hartford, and Uconn fans just fill it up. But I don't think that those two fan bases can sit near each other without a full on brawl breaking out.

We got to do European soccer where it's by section and have just security standing in between them.

The Red River shootout, where you got the two sides of the stadium. Yeah.

And I love when I asked Dan Hurley about the rivalry, and he doesn't shy away from it and looks into the camera and said, There's tension. There's tension.

That's good.

Nice.

It's It's real. There's no love lost. It's real. And those two guys, remember, they're both in the top five. We talked about all these national story lines. Max, you know this. Right now, the Yukon St. John's thing has never been hotter. And if you think that those two programs want the best for one another, I'm here to tell you, they'll be fine with them winning in non-con because it only bolsters them when they meet. But when they meet, it is going to be absolutely old-school 80s-type physicality, and college hoops needs that. They need the pettiness. They need the commentary because it helps the sport cut through and break through. It's a good thing. And that Patino Hurley rivalry, guys, that's as big a rivalry as you're going to see. Even if they deflect it, you can't deflect it. It's this, Yukon-St. John, superiority thing. And St. John swept Yukon last year, but Yukon won the last two national championships prior to that. So now you got this.

Yeah. Do you want to say anything about Kevin Willard in Vilanova?

Well, I'd love to get Max's... I'd be curious to get his thought, but Max, I would say I was encouraged by the opener Because I thought that could go sideways and they could end up... That could be a double-digit loss. That's a no-harm loss to BIO. And Bryce Lindsay looked terrific. What did you think?

First half looked like it could have been ugly, but I think Willard got them in a right head space going in the second half, and then Bryce Lindsay caught fire, and that's all we needed. The thing that I was most encouraged about is the thing that most Villanova fans were scared of going into this season is that the frontcourt is pretty weak and rebounding against a team as athletic as BIO, and then outrebounding them last night meant that Kevin Willard just got the boys ready to go for that game. They were out hustling, they were out working BIO, which is encouraging to see because it's not something that we have seen a lot of the past couple of years. At least we didn't have the guys to finish that game, but they were ready to play, I thought. Yeah.

Okay. Good backs.

Willard was committed with his rotation in the second half. Caden Lewis did sit down. I think he could be a one-and-a-half franchement.

Yeah, he's got to be better. Caden Lewis has got to be better than last night, but first game.

I think he will be, and I think you'll see them progress. I actually think that they are going to be... I think they'll be bubbling Max, but I think they could be on the right side of the bubble after watching them last night.

That would be a win. That would be a successful season.

I like bubbly Nova.

Maybe first four out for Nova?

That would be huge. No, that would not be huge. She's doing first four out.

I'm thinking last four in for Nova right now.

Last four in. No, I disagree. My Bracketology, I actually just did my Bracketology before we started this conversation. I don't have any teams listed except for Villanova in my first four out section.

I I have Miami in my first four out.

Okay, first four out. All right, Johnny, I got one last question for you. This has always been great. We'll have you on throughout the course of the year. Love that college basketball's back. It's a rowback question, rohaback. Com, promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, rowback. Com, promo code, take. I got to give you a minute. Brownies, give it to us.

I was going to say to you, I'm so glad you didn't ask me about them, but that's why this is the rowback question.

You have to.

Oh, my gosh. I mean, here's the thing with this situation, okay? And I am heading to MetLife on Sunday. I'm going to this game between the Browns and the Jets because my wife, when the schedule came out, she said, We need to go to the game. I was like, Okay, fun family Sunday. Could go to a farm or a pumpkin patch. No, let's head and watch these go up against each other, Aaron Glenn and Kevin Stefansky. I mean, it's literally, now with what the Jets did at the trade deadline, this is probably, it's as close to like an XFL type of game that you're going to probably see in the National Football League. It just is. I mean, here's the thing. The one thing that makes me, and you guys have baited me into this, the one thing that makes me, and now I'm biting the fishing rod. The thing that makes me more annoyed than anything is when there are people out there who say that the Browns are sabotaging Shador Sanders. Mm-hmm. Okay. They drafted him. They called and drafted him. They took him in the NFL draft. Also, I'm 30. I'm 30.

I have not had one stable quarterback presence. And it's not... And yeah, Baker is now, but Baker went through multiple teams before he got to this level, and he wasn't stable. And that's also on the Browns. There's two sides to every... There's three sides to every story. Both sides are at fault for that. But my point is, I have never had a stable quarterback in Cleveland. Don't you think that if this guy could have an iota of playmaking and leadership and presence, then he would have gotten into the game by now?

Yeah, it's a good point.

It's fair.

It's not like we're talking about some rich competition with people. I'm slinging it. I went to training camp and I watched Dylan Gabriel throw. And the moment I watched him throw, I'm like, Look, the kid seems nice and mature, but nice and mature does not equivocate to winning football games. And I'm watching them and I'm like, He's just not big enough to play the position in the National Football League. The fact that Sanders hasn't gotten in yet pretty much says it all about Sanders. I hope that he... Look, at this point, I want to see him play because everything about this conversation every single week, it's become stale and nauseating and I'm tired. The Browns are so limited. They don't have a wide receiver. They don't have a wide receiver. Like, Jerry Judy is not a wide receiver one or two right now. He's just not. I think the frustrating thing is you get the Miles-Garrett payday, and now every week Miles-Garrett is saying, This is what's wrong with us. It's like Miles, I love you, but you knew what you were signing up for. You got to be a leader. You're a great player, Miles.

You're a Hall of Famer. I love you. But guys, they need a total reset. They're going to have to get a complete reset. I don't know what the owner thinks, but I'm here to tell you right now, the writing's on the The Browns, they've got eight of the top 150 draft picks in the next draft. They can't have the people who have made the pics in the past make them again. They need to take out the shovel, or excuse me, not shovel. They need to bring in the stadium detonation crew. The whole thing's got to come down, and you got to get new people in there. That's the end of story. As for Shadr Sanders, guys, I hope I see him this Sunday at MetLife, because every week, Kat and PFT, every week, these people say, The Browns are ruining. The Browns are this. Okay, just play. You have nothing to lose, and I'm here to watch it.

I agree with that. I think it's worth just taking a look and seeing what you got. But yeah, the preseason discourse of the offensive line isn't blocking for Shador. You don't believe that? That sounded legit to me when I heard that. I was like, Yeah, these guys are trying to make an NFL roster, but they also have the opportunity to make Shador look silly, so they're probably going to go with a silly option.

They drafted him. And people were like, Oh, they're sabotaging. They're the ones who picked him. People were like, Well, he could be situationally better somewhere else. Where? Colorado? I hope he pans out. I do. Guys, there's going to be Twitter that reacts. This is going to be somebody on Twitter that says, Fanta hate Shador. No, no, no. I literally pray every night. I pray for my son, my wife, and the Browns to find a damn quarterback. And if Shador Sanders, if he goes in there and actually slings it, then you know the house cleaning I talked about? It should happen during the game because that means that you put Dylan Gabriel. Remember, they drafted Gabriel in the third round. That, to me, that's the biggest... Because Gabriel probably would have been there in the fifth round. They drafted him in the third round in the National Football League draft. And then Flacko goes to Cincinnati, and he's putting up over 40 points. I can't. I can't wrap my head around. They were in the playoffs less than 24 months ago, and now they're back to square one. This is my life as a football fan.

It's why I've been relatively quiet this season because I'm out of words.

I think maybe what the Browns need to do is they need to have different guys draft offensive players and defensive players. It's a different skills. You guys are really good at drafting defense, right? You don't want to miss out on that. Right now, I think you've got a great defense. I think that the defense right now, it's like, yeah, if I'm looking at the Browns as a three, four-year project, I could see him being good in a couple of years. But then I remind myself they would need to draft some guys on offense, too. And that's not really... I guess they can draft running backs.

So there's two sides to the ball, to the game.

Yeah, just bring in a quarterback guy.

We haven't had a kicker in We just cannot. Guys, pray for me. Sunday, I feel like I'm going to church with these Jet fans. I'm going to reach across the aisle and give him a hug. We're in this scene. We're all in this together. That Browns Jets game. I know you two are avid football viewers, and you love it. I can't wait to get any in-game Theo update vibe from... You're going to have to keep an eyeball at times on what's happening within that game.

Oh, we'll have it on TV. I think it's a big screen. We have it on every... We have every game on in the cave. It will probably be the side TV. But yeah, we'll have it on.

Instead of National Anthem, they should do Peace be with you.

I can't believe you're going to that game. Are you bringing? It's supposed to be raining and miserable.

My son is not coming. My son is not coming. My wife really wanted. She wanted to go, and I've got a buddy coming in from Cleveland. So it's one of those things where this has been... You ever set something on the calendar in the sports world? You know what, guys? I will wake up Sunday morning. This is the power of the National Football League. We will all wake up on Sunday morning and hope springs eternal. It's the It's amazing how it does that on a Sunday morning. You get in the shower and you just feel like, you know what? Today could be the day. Today could be the day. I find something out. I didn't know yet about my team.

Yeah, you could. You're right. You could. I think you could win that game.

Yeah, we could, but it could cost us whatever. We probably could. I can't believe we beat the Packers. The packers have had the strangest season at this point. How strange has the today's season been?

They had two really bad losses is on there.

Yeah, and a tie. And a tie. A tie to Dallas, who stinks. Yeah, it's a very bizarre season for the packers. They're seemingly a good team, but they then have dropped these wild games. All right, Johnny, you're the best. We love you. And have fun at Creighton. Have fun at MetLife. You're going to Hartford on Friday? You're everywhere.

So Hartford Friday, and then here we go. Mohegan Sun Saturday. We got South Florida. Brian Hosha has the American. They could win the American. It's them in Memphis. Usf could win it. They're taking on George Washington. The Revolutionaries, they have a team that's dangerous. Watch out for George Washington in the Atlantic 10. A10 could get a couple of bids this year. In our second game, we have Providence and Virginia Tech. Both teams look like dark horses in their respective league, the Big East and the ACC. Then guys, and I'm excited about this. I'm hopping in the car for a Mohegan Sun. I'm driving to the studio. Saturday night, we've got Notre Dame and Navy, but you can bet your tail. I'll have your game break updates and some stuff at the half, and we'll have you covered on MBC for the Irish and Navy. I love it.

I love it. Well, John, you're the best. We love you having you on, and we'll talk soon. And also next time, if you're ever in Chicago again and you don't at least text, I will be. He came here a couple of weeks ago, not even a text. I don't I need you to come by. I need you to text and just be like, Hey, I'm around.

If you got to lay over at O'Hare.

Just text. Just send a text, a courtesy text.

We're going to make it happen. Early gaze without knowing anything. I believe February, I will be in the Chicago area, and you have my word. You all just get a text. You may very well get a visit as long as- Oh, yeah.

If we're on vacation, the second week of February, I'm going to cancel my vacation.

Yeah, I will, too. Cancel the vacation for you.

Okay, we'll be careful on that. I don't want you to do any of that. But I love you guys and love the show and appreciate our friendship. And you know what? You guys do... We always have fun talking. I freaking love It's really been fun to jump into college football, and I love college sports. You can talk about all the chaos, all that stuff. That's the beauty in it. The beauty is sometimes in the disaster, and it's not a disaster to me. It's the best. So I appreciate you guys for having me. Thank you. All right.

Thank you, John. Thanks, John. We'll talk to you later.

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Whoa.

Damn.

Memes? Thoughts?

Wait, what?

Oh, those are the thoughts.

This is actually the start of a bad… Yeah. This is not going to be good. Sauce just tweeted out, New York, it's been real.

Oh, man. Memes, what are your thoughts?

I don't know.

This is going to be at the end of the show. We're about to part in your takes. You'll probably hear more. You probably already heard good thoughts from memes. This is just straight up. We recorded part of the show at the beginning of the day. This is as natural as... Go Savage Mode.

Memes. I don't know.

What are you going to say?

He's in shock.

I don't know.

You got to see the deal. You got to see what you got.

They had him signed till 2030.

Yeah, so you might have gotten a haul for him.

Great move by the cult.

Two first-round pics. That's a lot. You got a lot for him.

Two first-round pics is a lot. That's a rebuild. Doesn't he love golf too much?

He does love golf.

Right? Theme of the day. Oh, man. Two first-round pics is good memes. Memes. He's not even talking. He's just got his stuff.

This wasn't even... That just means everybody's available. That's not good.

That's not good.

Pedro You need to get breached.

Shut the fuck up.

Yes, memes. That was good. That was mean. No, he's right. You do need to shut the fuck up.

I think this is good for the rebuild, dude.

Two first-rounders memes.

You can do a lot with What if you just collect all of the first rounders? You could get all of them.

You get the whole first round. Dude, this is actually good for you. You're not going to be good for a couple of years, right? Right. So now you can go so much defense, and you get a really good cornerback.

That's me, too. That was fucked up.

That was fucked up.

Sorry.

Memes, think about this way. You got two first-round picks. That's a lot. That's a lot. It sounds like a good haul. Also, sauce being on the Colts, there's a good chance that he can then defeat Hank's Patriots in the playoffs for you.

Yeah.

Also, what if Daniel Jones becomes Daniel Jones again? Those picks could be really good picks.

Now we're talking.

Now we're talking. Now, Memes, we can root. Now, we're talking this out.

No, no, no. Memes, Big Cat's right. It means we want the colds to tank. Yeah. You just root for Daniel Jones to be Daniel Jones again, either this year or next year, and you could have a top 10 pick.

Yeah, this is sad.

Okay. I'm sorry.

It sucks.

People heard memes explain it better at the beginning of the show. You did do a better job.

You were a lot more-I think there was a bigger argument.

There was a bigger argument. Okay. Parton your take.

Parton your take. The NFL has conspired with all kickers to suck for the Falcons, and they won't allow them to sign Rodrigo Blanketrip because he would put them over the top.

That's The Missing Peace.

Did Rodrigo write that? Yeah. I think he might have.

I think he did. That's definitely...

Yeah. I read. Rodrigo.

Thanks for listening to the show. We're big fans of you. We're huge fans. Come on the pod sometime. We'd love to have you on. Great take. That's the one.

I think Most people were like, Hey, where's my Rodrigo take?

There it is. The one thing the Falcons have been missing is Blankinship. We've been saying that. I do think that any kicker that wears that uniform, you have to overcome a lot. Either bring back Youngway Coo, or I think they were going to sign Zane, right? Yeah. I think they were going to sign Zane. He's good.

Have you seen his... He does a video every week, and it's like making this video until I get signed by another NFL team. And then he's like, I will be making the longest field goals of the week until somebody signs me.

Zane does that?

No, Rodrigo does that. So that's probably... If this isn't actually Rodrigo, it's somebody who's watching those videos.

It's Rodrigo, dude.

You know what I might do? I might do that same weekly video, the shortest field goal of the week. I'll make it every week. That's a guarantee. First try.

What I might do is I might do a video of me watching Rodrigo do his video and then tell people to sign Rodrigo. Reacts.

Yeah. A reaction video. What was the shortest field goal last week? Probably like 27 yards, 30 yards. Yeah.

You got that.

Yeah. You just love things that are short.

Damn, that was good. Wait, that's like... You love yourself. Oh, I love myself. Yeah, you love yourself. Yeah. I love myself.

We promote self-love.

We do. What's that song?

Hey, I love it. I don't know that song.

I don't mean anybody else.

I love it.

I don't know. I think Memes wrote this one. Hey, Badger Cat, Duke, PFT, and Spartan Hank, comebacks are not as impressive as... I don't know what Spartan is.

I don't know where he became Michigan State, but I like it.

Throughout the winding journey of this podcast, I don't recall you ever being...

I was there for a week. I think there was. Yeah, he did do one thing.

Well, no, Big Ten. My Big Ten journey. Comebacks are not as impressive as everyone says they are, it's the team that is down's fault that they are down. Comebacks are just wins the same way that any other win is a win. Specifically, I hate the glazing over the Patriots coming back from down 28 to three. It's Tom Brady's fault that they scored their three points through almost three quarters. It's bogus as hell that he gets more credit when he's the one that put them in the spot. That is a take.

That is a take.

Talking about part of your take.

Comebacks actually suck. Yeah.

Brett Favre used to be down because he was playing bad, and then he would have a game-winning drive. It's like, Holy shit. Well, yeah, he's right. He did it again. You could have just played like you played in the fourth quarter. In the first quarter, you never would have had to do it. The Broncos 33 points in the fourth quarter. Is that impressive? Why not just score a few points in the first half and you don't have to score 33?

By the same token, would you say that blowing a comeback actually isn't that bad because you got the lead in the first place? Yeah. You'd have to say both, right? So you have to say like, Dan Quinn, great job in that Super Bowl. He outcoached Bill Belichick.

For a majority of the Super Bowl.

Yeah.

Over half the game.

I think you'd have to... I do like the take, though. It's a good take.

Weird take. Why the fuck don't two-point conversion stats count? I agree. If the Qby If there was an interception on two-point conversion, they should be dinged for an interception. Sacks, fumbles, et cetera, are quite possibly the dumbest shit ever, and it's right in front of our faces. That guy lost. Fantasy. Fantasy.

Fantasy.

But you do get credit.

You do get credit. That guy had a reception prop that didn't count.

Yes.

Because that is bullshit. I am a thousand % on this guy's side. It's meaningful into the game. That's more meaningful than a random-You should count it on a third and 10.

You shouldn't get a countdown.

Also, Walks should count towards total bases. I agree. Yes, that's a crazy one.

Although that would fuck with all the other... Like the juice on all of the-Okay, fine.

But still. Showing it got on base nine times.

I relearned that every single year in baseball, betting on baseball. Walks don't count. They don't. But I agree with this guy. It should fall in. It should be its own category. It should be two-point conversion.

Yeah, but no, the reception should count.

Yeah, the reception should count. I'm waiting for the one-point safety.

Yeah.

That would be awesome.

All right, last one. Sup, boys. Why don't teams use a big boy as running back at the goal line anymore, i. E. The bears using the fridge in the '85 Super Bowl? Hand the ball to your biggest guy and let them bulldoze defenders into the end zone.

Speed. I agree. Listen, fullbacks, I love fullbacks, and I think that there's a place for them in the game. Patrick Ricard, Derek Henry's rushing yards went way up when he got back, although he did get... Ricard got pushed around a little bit this past weekend, but that's fine. He'll bounce back from it. But I agree.

I think that We tried, though. The bears tried and they fumbled. Doug Kramer.

Yeah. There should be more big boys that get touch downs right up the gut. There's no room in this league for a T. J. Ducket anymore.

Did you see what the Seahawks did on the kickoff against the commanders? They put 200, 300 pounders and then immediately caused a fumble.

Yeah.

Just big guys running down the field.

Yeah. Who's the biggest guy we got?

I guess Matlock. Desmond Watson.

Yeah.

Or whatever his name is. Is that his name?

Desmond Watson. Is that his name?

Tell me about Practice Squad. Yeah.

I mean, a guy that's running with a football.

Yeah. Let him out there. But he would be an awesome back.

He'd be great. Yeah.

Okay. Good show, boys. More breaking news?

Yeah. Livegolf is expanding to 72 hole tournaments starting next year.

That did not.

Wait.

That did not warrant a breaking news.

I thought that there was- Take it back.

Take the cow back.

I thought there was an NFL Trade.

Take the cow back. That did not warrant. And that also probably isn't even news. It was probably Hank's Live Golf Connect texting him. It just broke. Hey, I'm going to give you a thousand bucks. Can you pretend it's breaking news?

I don't think that counts as news.

No. Take the cow back.

Do the breaking move sound, and then we'll reverse it.

No, he knows how to reverse it. He's reversed it before. That's Breaking Moves. Reverse it. Reverse the cow. That's Breaking Moves. Reverse the cow.

Who are the four aces?

Actually, that was better.

Who are the four aces?

No, we're not talking news. We're not talking news.

Also, it's Roman numerals for 54. Are they going to change the name?

I don't know. Who cares? We're not talking about it. Move on, move on.

What's 72?

He got us there. We can't talk about it.

What's 72 in Roman?

We can't talk about it. No, it's interesting storyline that's just broke on the internet, but yeah, God forbid.

Interesting storyline. What's next? They're going to wear pants now? L-x-x-i-i. That sounds good. Lexie, the new golf league.

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Numbers. Three. One for Sauce Gardner. Oh, man, he's mad. That was mean what you did.

I mean, he was mean to me.

Yeah, you're right.

How? You better not leave your keys out.

Oh, What is that supposed to mean?

Fill your car up with jelly beans.

Is he going to steal your car?

I'm giving you full permission to do that as a PMTV.

I'll take my car back.

Well, I'll take my car back. You can't do that. You made... What did you sell?

I made a dollar. I have $2.

That's bullshit.

I'm 100% profit.

You got to sell it to Zack next memes for $3. Just keep passing around the car. All right, what's everyone's number?

I That's also not true because Hank gave him $2,000 a day.

True. $2,500.

Oh, you still haven't gotten it fixed, right? No. I sold Hank my old car for $1. Did I get in the car accident?

No, you didn't. No, you didn't. No, you didn't. No, you didn't. No, you didn't. The week before I gave it to Memes, I fucking backed into a pool in my garage.

Then you gave it to Memes and you said, Here's 2,000 to fix it, and it's still not fixed. Yeah. That was what? Four years ago? Three, yeah. Three years ago.

Yeah, but I put a lot of money into it. Hank gave me it without oil.

That's a lot of money. That's got to be worth 2,500 bucks.

Probably not true. No, it's very true. The guy was like, This is black. I did some damage to the inside.

Memes, I'm seeing... Oh.

That was probably Big Cap.

That was not Big Cap because I changed my oil religiously.

Same.

No, you didn't.

Memes, I'm seeing a lot of positive reaction for this trade. Yeah, it's good. Everyone's saying, Good job, Jets.

What's your number, everyone?

Say your numbers. 77.

39.

44.

Memes, you have to say a number.

86. Thinking. I was going to say no. You want it? No.

55.

You can do two for two first-round pics.

Yeah.

Getting his ass, Memes.

Twenty-three. We'll do one more?

We'll do 23?

We'll do one more. Everyone keep their number. Everyone, say your number again.

One, eight, 55. What did you say?

No, no, no. What did you say, Hank?

I said three.

Mims, you've changed What's your number just now?

I didn't have a number.

Oh, you didn't? Yeah, he never had a number.

That one didn't count. No. Okay, so we got to do-No.

Well, it counted. Counts as a pick for me.

You got to reset.

No pick.

No pick counts as a pick. Oh, it's that one.

Three. No, it's 34. All right, Meeps, what is your number? Eight. Okay. Why eight?

Everyone else has their number. It says it right there.

You're going the Zack method?

Yeah, eight for PFT.

Seven So close, Memes. 6.

It looks a lot like it. 6.

You should have picked 6. Damn, that's the one I went on. Shit.

Do you want to do one more, Memes?

It says 8 right there.

No. Do one more. We'll do one more. Everyone's got to keep their numbers. What is their numbers? I'm 1. 3. 5.

77. Memes is 8.

I actually might be rooting for Memes right now.

It'd be awesome.

Twenty. Love you guys.