Transcript of Future Hall of Famer Zack Martin In Studio, Week 8 Picks And Preview, NBA Gambling Controversy, Carson Wentz Horrible TNF + Fyre Fest Of The Week

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Welcome to part of my take presented by DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Friday, October 24th and PFT. I did not think this was possible, but after watching Thursday night Football, I can officially say I feel bad for Carson Wentz.

I do too. I do too. I felt that. I felt the same way. Carson and I, we've had our ups and downs in our relationship by the end of the night tonight, I did in fact feel very bad for the guy because he's obviously in pain. I'm. I'm just speculating, you know, we never want to speculate about an injury. No, But I'm going to speculate that Carson Wentz had some sort of dislocated shoulder issue. Maybe a labrum. Yeah, Maybe rotator cuff. And it wasn't staying in place. And it just kept getting popped out over and over and over again.

He was just getting beat to hell.

And then by the end of the game, as a body language expert, I saw Carson went sitting on that bench staring up at the sky at all the places that all the Ducks would have been flying if he hadn't killed them already. And he was thinking to himself, this, this might be the end of the road for old Carson.

Yeah, it was. It was a pretty depressing watch for Carson. Wentz did feel bad for him on the other side. The Chargers look like a completely different team when Joe Alt is back. I think Pipkins is back as well. They could actually block for Justin Herbert. Justin Herbert. They ran the ball.

Yeah.

Very, very well.

I was gonna say that's. That's what Greg Roman wants to do. That's what Harbaugh wants to do. And if they don't have any of their linemen in, they're not going to be able to do that. And it's going to take away their entire identity. I feel like that's exactly what they needed tonight.

They had 207 yards rushing.

They were dominant. And I don't know how much to take away from this because the, the Vikings offense looked just unhelpable.

I. It's also like J.J. mcCarthy has to play. We saw him on the sideline.

Maybe a soft benching for Carson Wentz.

Yeah, he, he. J.J. mcCarthy hopped up when the ball came his way that one time. I don't know about that ankle, but you got to play him. And if you're like Justin Jefferson, you've got to be very frustrated because that was just an ugly, ugly watch. And to add extra insult to what the Vikings are facing, they have played the number one easiest schedule this year thus far, and they have the number one hardest schedule the rest of the season. So it feels like the Vikings could be in a bad spot. They have the Lions, Ravens, Bears, Packers, Seahawks are the next five.

So if Wince is unable to go, what's their option? Brosmer.

J.J. mcCarthy's got to be back.

Well, so during the game.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I saw some.

Well, yeah, he obviously jumped up, but I saw somebody post this. We didn't have the sound on that loud, so I couldn't hear Ian Rapaport when he was talking about it, but during the game, he did say that if Carson Wentz goes out and plays well, that will be taking taken into consideration on who starts next week.

Yeah.

So if Wince had gone out there and played really well, very well. Could have been starting again in a week's time, even though it looks like JJ's healthy. So I don't know. I don't know what they're going to do it.

Also, this. A man needs to know his limits. And I think Kevin o' Connell has learned his limits with Carson Wentz. You know, he did it for Sam Darnold. He probably could have done it for Daniel Jones.

I think he did it for.

You were great with Kirk Cousins. Yeah.

Yeah.

Carson Wentz is your limit. You get. You know, you gotta. You gotta. You gotta know when to walk away from the table. And it's time for J.J. mcCarthy. But I'm. I still can't get over. I. Chargers, I'm. They just. Every time I think I'm out, they reel me back in because you just forget that they've been so banged up and when they can run the ball like that. And no stupid picks from Herbert's name. He did have a pick, but I don't think that was a stupid pick. It was. It was tipped well.

He got lucky on one stupid pick.

Okay, so. Stupid pick. Max is counting it. Oh, yeah. The. In the. In the first.

Yeah.

Yeah. The. The. The second drive of the game. The first drive of the Chargers. That was. That would. That would have maybe changed. Well, no, the. The Vikings would have lost by just a little bit less.

Yeah, I don't think it would have made a difference. You got no one to walk away from the table. But sometimes Harbaugh's got the X ray device out and he can read your cards.

And that's what we saw tonight, Zach. So. Yeah. That was Thursday Night Football. Again, Carson Wentz, we feel bad for you. I didn't know it was possible.

I do.

I didn't think it was possible. I didn't think I could feel those feelings for Carson Wentz. I felt those feelings for Carson Wentz tonight, watching him in pain, just getting sacked over and over. And he also. So he is definitely one of the most sackable quarterbacks. He also is, I would say, the number one.

How.

How did that many people sack him at once? Quarterback.

Yeah.

Where he will get sacked and there will be six defenders on top of him.

You know what it is? It's he gets down in a really good athletic position. Dive bomb when he's about to get sacked yeah, he crouches down low, center of gravity, low man wins. He gets the leverage so he's able to resist the first guy that hits him. But he doesn't like pop up or try to get out. He just kind of stays in like a turtle position.

Yeah.

And then he lets three other guys hit him after that. And there were some sacks they took early on where it's like, yeah, Carson, you gotta, you gotta get rid of the ball. Yeah, that's kind of on you. And then as the game went on, he just got no protection help and he wasn't able to move and he was just getting, he was getting torn up.

I got a question for you guys. Do we wanna, do we want to bet the Chargers to win the super bowl knowing they probably won't, but the number's gonna go. We're get good value. What's the number right now on DraftKings? Shout DraftKings because they play their next four games are against the Titans, the Steelers at home, the Jaguars and the Raiders at home. That feels like a 3 and 1, potentially 4. And oh yeah, they're 20 to 1. 20 to 1, 25 to 1, 25.

So you're thinking a cash out option?

I'm just thinking they're going to. When they're healthy. They. When, when, when Joe Alt is back and their offensive line is healthy. There are still a very good football team.

They got Khalil Mack back there.

Yeah. I don't know. Well, it's something to think about. We'll maybe, we'll maybe ruminate on it a little bit, but yeah, you alluded to a pft. The big news of the day. The NBA is in big, big trouble. And we have brought our legal expert Zach onto the couch for this moment. Has nothing to do with the fact that Hank has departed for a bachelor party. He's on the rest of the episode. He just had to leave like at 6:00 clock tonight. So, Zach, you. You have read all of the documents. You have scoured over everything. You've listened to the FBI reports. What's your big takeaway from the NBA? Gambling issues?

My big takeaway after the deep dive earlier today and listen to a couple press conferences is that I think this just gets bigger. I think there's going to be a lot more guys in the coming days announced to be a part of this thing. Not looking good.

Yeah.

Whatsoever.

Official. We get official statement. Not looking good.

Official statement. Really not looking good. And if the X ray table situation is true scumbag behavior.

Yes.

But also I want to get my hands on one of these X ray tables. So I didn't even know that that tech. What other technology did they have? They had like a telecommunication system. Yeah.

They're. They're automatic shufflers that were, like, modified. And then that it would send info to a guy off site, and then he would hit some guy in the room.

Allegedly.

Alleged. All. Allegedly.

All.

All innocent until proven guilty.

Super. Allegedly.

But this. This could be like. This would be a great movie.

Yeah, it would. So. So the. It came down this morning. There were two different arrests made or two different warrants out there. One was Terry Rozier.

Yep.

And that was about gambling on NBA Props. And then there was one with Chauncey Billups that was about poker, But Chauncey Billups was also named in the other one. So there's a link between the two.

Separate but related.

Well, so they named. I think it was like. It was. It was person number eight or something.

Yeah.

And it listed the description of it, and it was exactly Chauncey Billup's career. It was where he lives in Oregon. It was the coaches.

Yeah. Certain rotations with the Portland Trailblazers. Yeah.

It'd be really hard.

I don't want to cast aspersions.

No. Damon Jones also named in it. And. Yeah. This looks bad. It looks really bad. The Terry Rozier one. You know what I. My. My biggest takeaway was whenever these things happen, first of all, bad shouldn't happen. But Terry Rozier, like, whenever a player gets accused of this, the Internet just finds their worst plays.

Yeah.

And that also sucks for them.

Yeah.

Because they're probably. If there is malfeasance going on, there's some really bad ones out there. But also, he could have just sucked on those nights. And then the whole Internet just puts out your low lights.

Yeah.

I feel bad for players that might have had some bad games that now they're being speculated upon.

Yeah.

And they're like, oh, wow, Martin Gortot. He definitely was. He was shaving.

Look at him brick this free throw. So, yeah, this. This. I mean, and then Windhorse came out and said that the NBA has essentially been trying to sweep this under the rug, that they knew this was coming, that they basically had Terry Roger sit out the rest of the season last year when. When this was coming out. It's all bad now. Obviously, people are going to blame sports gambling being legalized. I would say. Yeah. There's. You know, it. People gamble more. This is also one of those things where they would never have caught it if sports gambling wasn't legalized. And sports gambling did happen before it became legalized. I know that's shocking to some people to hear, but it's, it's kind of a gray area where, yeah, okay, you can make the argument that there's too many props to bet on. But also we would never have found this out if you can't track it the way they track it now.

I think you'd have to be a world class idiot to be on an NBA roster. You have a guaranteed contract and you're trying to make a few extra bucks off of some of your props because they, they limit those bets how much you can bet on them. Well, so the return on that, I guess if you have a wide enough network and you send a bunch of guys out to bet on it, you could make some money. But still it's, it's such a dumb thing for someone who gets paid so much money to do that.

But you never know what the situation is where you know, the Mafia has been named in this which shout out to Mafia. I didn't know you guys were still doing it.

I got a problem with not shout.

Out but kind of shout out, kind.

Of shout out like, like respect.

I didn't know the Mafia like respect. Seeing like Gambino, Bonino and like Bonano.

Five families. All right.

You guys are still out there.

Max. I had a problem with how they phrase that, refer to them as the Italian Mafia.

Nah, I like that.

Yeah, it was, it was kind of cool seeing the mafia. But so what I was gonna say PFD is yes, I agree it's very stupid. But you also don't know the situation some of these guys are in where a Terry Rozier and this is all speculation at Chauncey Billups. They could be wrapped up in shit. They could be in debt.

Yeah.

They could be in situations where they're trying to help someone out or help themselves out or protect themselves. Yeah. And they're getting in a situation where they have to do this where it's not just, oh, I'm just trying to make. Because yeah, there's, there's obviously people like why would you do this if you're making millions of dollars and you're, you're making, you know, 20k on a bet. It could be that they owe money to someone and they don't have money. The Chauncey Billups one. So did you see too that apparently I saw a clip a guy on a podcast two years ago.

Yeah.

Basically being like, yeah, I, I, Chauncey Billups has these card Games, and everyone knows that they're scams.

Yeah. I don't know what the business model is, but I guess you get famous people to play in your card games and then they invite people to join.

You and they take all their money.

And then you take all their money and you're like, hey, this game's legit because we got Chauncey Billups playing in it. And of course it can't be rigged. Now, when this happened, I was on Wake Up Barstool when the news broke, and my first reaction to it, I was like, I. I wonder if this has anything to do with Gilbert Arenas, because he got arrested back in August for running a poker game. And when he got out of jail, like a day later, oh, yeah, he posted something on his. No, this is from today. Yeah, but I mean, the. The day he got out of jail, he posted something, I think it was on Instagram saying, like, yeah, nothing wrong with a little snitching. Like, basically saying, yeah, I might be snitching on people. Nothing wrong with telling. And everyone thought that it was a joke at the time. And then I was like, wait a second. And then he shows up to his podcast today carrying a bag that said informant lunch.

Ain't nothing wrong with snitching, man. It ain't nothing wrong with just telling, man. Ain't nothing wrong with telling, man. Especially when you got a fine ass girl at home.

Yeah, well, he got out pretty quick, I thought.

I just. That's central. I thought it was.

You got central.

Yeah, no, that's.

That's central.

That was on his own. He posted that himself.

It's. It's bad for the NBA. It is, it is. I don't know what they're going to do because the, you know, the, The Donahue stuff still is a black eye for the NBA. Yeah. And the problem the NBA has that, you know, the reaction. There's obviously reactions. Everyone overreacts to these moments and goes way one way, one way with the other way. There's a lot of people like, you got it the G. I saw one person maybe take of the year that legalized gambling is going to end all sports. That one, I would say, is a little overreaction. But the problem is with. Yeah, what is this? This seems possibly eventually gambling will eliminate professional sports. Okay, so eliminate all professional sports now that. That's going to happen.

Now that gambling became a thing like four years ago.

Yeah. Right. The NBA, though, does have a problem in the fact that the NBA, unlike any other sport, you can affect a Game a lot more with props. And I mean it's, it's harder to affect a game in the NFL. Mlb. Mlb, yes. The pitchers obviously, but like you can't. Batters can't. All of a sudden, I guess they could strike out.

You'd strike out a lot.

Yeah. It's not swing, but the NFL, it's a little bit more difficult.

I also think in the NFL you have a much higher likelihood of getting your ass kicked.

Yeah. But I mean what, what could you do? I guess you could.

Quarterback's really the only one.

Quarterback. I guess you.

Kicker. Kicker.

Yeah.

You could hold like.

Yeah.

Or you could hold if you're an offensive line.

No. NFL is definitely the hardest.

Right. So. But the NBA definitely has an issue because these props are, are, you know, guys. If guys are, are doing this stuff, it's not great. Not great.

Permission to put on my tinfoil hat?

Yeah, please.

Who was at this press conference making the announcements? Who's the head of the FBI?

I don't know.

Cash Patel.

Cash Patel.

Here we go.

Absolutely right, Zach. Cash Patel, head of the FBI. He is a massive, massive hockey fan.

Oh.

He is the biggest NHL guy that you'll ever meet.

Interesting.

This guy. He. He like followed OVI around last summer.

Oh.

Or last year.

Interesting.

He went to like every game he plays in like a men's league hockey thing. He's like pounding beers in the parking lot after the games. He's a, he's a hockey boy up and down. This is a big come up for the NHL.

Oh man.

He might be taking down basketball. Like Ryan Whitney might be on the phone with Cash Patel. Hey, I got something you could look into right now. Cash be a dude.

Wow. I like that.

Think about that.

At the end of the day, I still am very pro legalized gambling because again, you wouldn't be able to find these things if you didn't have, you know, sportsbooks tracking and all of a sudden. Oh shit. Everyone bet the giant a porter under.

That part is true.

That that would. You just wouldn't be able it that.

They have algorithms that can tell when people like an unusually large people are, are betting on these weird props for guys that normally don't see that much action and then they can take action on. So it's. It in that way it's a good thing. But the gambling being so prevalent, definitely it gives you a bigger pool of people that might be interested in something like this. It's.

It's going to be. I don't know. What will you say, Matt?

I Have a question?

Yeah.

Are they betting The.

Were they legally. Yeah, they're telling their friends. I believe.

Yes. I believe they made the bets.

So then the. The sports books. That's what Windhorse basically said, that the sportsbook. Sportsbook saw this in March or whenever it happened, and the NBA essentially took Terry Roger off the court.

So what does the Mafia have to do with this?

I think the mafia is the poker.

Yeah.

I believe Mafia doesn't have.

But then the connection is, again, like, if you get in trouble with the mafia, and then now you have to be like, hey, I got a tip.

Got it.

It all.

Got it. Got it.

Yeah. Now get into bad spots.

Like you. You want to sit down at the table? Well, there'll be three boxes of ziti.

Yeah.

And two cans of sauce.

How about we talk about how many players in the NBA right now? How many?

So there's what, 13, 12 times 30. 12.

32. 30. 30. Yeah. Can you do that real quick? How many players in the NBA? There are 450 active players. Why aren't we talking about the other 447 that aren't involved in this?

Good job, guys.

Great job. Yeah, that's a lot of guys who are not doing this. Appreciate you guys like that. The majority of guys are not doing.

Almost every guy.

Pretty much every guy has not been alleged.

Yeah, I do feel like we're not done yet.

Well, the. The. The NBA should. I think the one solution to this is if you are wrapped up in any type of situation like this, it's just lifetime ban.

Yeah.

Like that. That should just be it. Because no question, consequences are so severe. And I do think a story like this being this big will probably deter people going forward because you're gonna most likely get caught. Even if you just like, oh, I'll tell one friend. They're gonna tell a friend. They're gonna tell a friend.

Or Adam Silver, you know, he. He will do anything the players want him to do.

Yeah.

What if he goes the other way and he's just like, you know what? You guys can have fun.

Just bet on everything.

Yeah. You guys can bet on whatever you want. Bet on your unders, bet on your overs. I don't care.

You got.

I want you guys to have fun. I'm. I'm not like the other commissioners. I'm a cool commissioner.

Yeah. Imagine being one of the rich guys who was like, oh, you wake up this morning, like, oh, I played in that poker game.

Yeah.

15 times, and they just took all my money. That would suck. That'd be a pretty big ego blow. Be like, I'm that much of a fucking idiot that I just showed up to the X ray tables.

There are some legends of the NBA that I. I really hope aren't involved in this.

I'd agree.

And I'm not. That's all I'm going to say about that.

I'd agree. Well, the 447 guys aren't.

There are some legends that maybe no longer play, but might be around the.

Game.

That would be inclined to participate in playing games of chance.

Yeah.

And winning some money. And I hope that they're not.

How many people do you think woke up this morning and were like, oh, shit, Chauncey Billups is coach of the Blazers. I know he's been the coach of the Blazers for a while, but. Oh, tell Max, because the Blazers are very irrelevant recently in terms of franchises. They have not been in the playoffs in a while. Max just raised his hands.

Yeah, I didn't know that until.

It's a Western Conference. It's the most Western Conference team. Yeah.

No, that's. That's on me.

And I'm.

The Blazers aren't. Aren't going across national games very often.

No.

If ever.

Yeah, they're not.

And I'm not very league pass to whoever the Blazers are playing. That's just a fact.

Yeah. He has been the coach for a while and he's not been good. They've missed the playoffs every single year he's coached.

I just don't like how now we're going to look at any Italian guy that is hanging out with an NBA player and be like, hmm, I wonder what that guy's up to. That's not a good mentality to have.

Yeah. We don't. We don't need to be going after Italians.

No.

With any connection that I.

If you see an Italian today, they're probably going through it, facing some discrimination. Give them a big hug, kiss on.

Each cheek and say, hey, don't worry about it. I know you weren't betting Giant a porter.

I got you my pison.

Real quick. Two things. One, still blue coffee. We have our new ready to drink cans out. Go to Amazon, go to stellabluecoffee.com, go to GoPuff. We're gonna be in retail start of next year, but right now you can buy em. They're so, so good.

They're delicious.

Two different flavors. Espresso, cafe mocha espresso, sweet cream. Ready to drink only 170 calories. So they're. They're they're not like some of these drinks that are like 500 calories and just put them in your fridge ready to go. I have one every morning on. On my drive in. It's great.

I.

So go buy them. Save some dogs. Do that. Second World Series predictions. Let's do it. Marlins man did text me. Good. Asking if we're coming to the World Series. And I said. He said, are you at World Series tomorrow? I said, I'm not. He said, why? Said football. And then he said, I will call you from game.

Okay, cool.

He said, everyone Daily asks about PFT's mom. It's hysterical. Jesus Christ. New York, Chicago, Seattle, Louisiana.

I hope the. I hope you know, I hope the other Marlins man's there.

Yeah.

I like the other Marlins man better. He's way more respectful.

But I'm getting a call from Marlins man tomorrow during the World Series. That's incredible.

It's on site.

Yeah.

All right.

Predictions.

Okay.

I got in the room.

Dodgers in six.

Okay. I'm gonna say Dodgers in five.

I believe it will be Dodgers in five as well.

Go Blue Jays and seven. Vladdy walk off. Let's go. That would be incredible.

I will go Dodgers in four.

Whoa. Max. Because you want the Phillies.

I just think that's going to be the case.

Who's pitching?

Blue Jays. Game one. Only shot.

Blake Snell. Verse Versage. Okay. Definitely botch that name, but yeah, it's you, Savage.

Yep.

Yep.

I think I'm rebuilding so good. I did this last year in the playoffs and I forgot to do it again this year and I was kicking myself. Ohtani two home runs. I'm probably just gonna bet that every night.

I like that. It's gonna be an awesome scene in Toronto.

Yeah.

I'm excited for the game.

Yeah.

I'm excited for. For the Fall Classic.

Yeah.

And.

And shout out to Jeff Passon.

Yeah.

Gets to hit up the Tavern Imperial Pub. Yep.

Yeah. So we'll, we'll. We'll break down some of the. What's the schedule? It's Friday, Saturday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. All right. So if it goes. If it goes back to Toronto, we'll. We'll have Jeff back on before. Before game six.

I also heard that the Oregon player in for. For the Dodgers when they do take me out to the ball game. This whole season they've been adding in the dun, dun, dun from not like us. That's something that they do every single game. But that's going to have a different meaning to it.

Do they sing a different seventh inning stretch in Toronto. I don't know, because I saw a video from Jerry o' Connell's Instagram that I'm still confused about.

He.

Jerry oconnell is the most interesting man alive because he. I don't know. He has so many friends. There was a. During game 70, looked like he was in someone's apartment. And he said he found all the Blue Jays fans in la. Yeah. Watch this video. It's so funny. I don't get it. That's so wholesome. He said seventh inning stretch with every Blue Jays fan in Los Angeles. So wholesome. But what is that?

It seems like it would be a song that you would sing before the game.

Oh, wait. Yeah.

Okay.

Blue Jays song. Okay, so they do have a different one. Okay, Blue Jays, let's play ball. You know what? Just from that alone, I'm changing my prediction. Dodgers in six.

Okay, welcome aboard.

Just added another game for the Blue Jays.

We believe.

We believe. Toronto Jays, you're gonna get another game. Oh, man. All right, let's kick it to ourselves. A ball. A letter. Okay, Blue Jays, let's play ball. Shout out Oldie. He's. He's been ripping it up on the streets.

Yeah, he's learning all about baseball.

I think he also put some. Some merch in the store. So go check it out.

Oh, I can't wait.

Yeah. All right, the. We have our week nine picks in preview and then we are going to get to our interview with Zach Martin in studio. Awesome time. And then fyre fest.

Great job, Zach.

Great job. Zach on the couch.

Same to you guys.

Great show. Great show today.

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Not doing that.

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Yeah, Meatball chili. Make some chili.

I got a chili. I got a chili week.

All right, so we're going to use Uber Eats. We're going to probably get some pizza. We're probably going to get some wings, and then Max will get all the ingredients. We'll have some chili. You can do it with Uber Eats. When football makes you hungry, you get game day deals all season long only on Uber Eats. Okay, boys, week eight. We have six. Six buys. We have the Lions, Raiders, Rams, Cardinals, Seahawks, Jaguars, all on by. We do not have a London game. Finally, we have a just a regular schedule with seven early, three late one Sunday Night Football that I think we're all excited for Aaron Rodgers playing against his old team in the Green Bay Packers. Let's get into it, though. We'll start in just order. We're going to go first up, the Dolphins. Oh, I had one. One betting note for everyone. The NFC is still kind of dominating. So the nfc. I lost my betting note, but the NFC is dominating the AFC so far this season. I'll find the actual. Against the spread, but they have been dominating so far this season. So there's a lot of NFC, AFC games this week.

If you want to follow some trends, if you want to go with that, there's always that. Although eventually it will probably. Oh, I have it right here. 26 and 12 against the spread. NFC versus AFC.

Yeah. So if you see significant. If it's going poorly, you become a fan of your division. If it's going really poorly, you just become a fan of your conference. I root for the. In this house, we root for the NFC.

Yeah. So 26 and 12 against spread. There's. There's Falcons, Dolphins, Panthers, Bills, Bears, Ravens, 49ers, Texans, Cowboys, Broncos, Packers, Steelers. A lot of NFC AFC game commanders. Chiefs on Monday night. Also of note because I put a note in. We screwed this up last year. Sunday is National Tight End Day. Last year, national tight end day, 15 different tight ends scored.

Okay, good to know.

So let's just keep that in mind. I don't know if they're doing this specifically, but that was crazy. You remember last year, how did this happen? How did all these tight ends.

I do remember that, but it still goes to show you what a poor job running backs did. Advertising. National Running Back Day.

Yes.

Last Sunday. What a downer of a holiday that was.

Agreed. Agreed. We found out basically it's Sunday Night Football.

Like halftime of Sunday Night Football. They told us.

Yeah. Okay, let's get into the games. We have the Miami Dolphins playing the Atlanta Falcons. The Falcons are seven point favorites. The over under is 44 and a half. Oh, boys. If you thought it couldn't get worse for the Miami Dolphins, it has gotten worse because Tua came out this week.

Wait, starting quarterback to.

Starting quarterback to.

Yep.

Because yeah, Mike McTells. You're right. Mike McDaniels did say there's zero uncertainty with two on my conviction in him and my belief in him.

Yep.

I think we're both very, very eager to do better at our jobs. We're both very committed. Tua then also talked about not targeting Jalen Warren or Waddle. Excuse me, in the game against the Browns. And he said, I'm not the tallest guy back there. Sometimes when that happens, you don't want to just throw. Throw it blindly. I would say to a throw it blindly, dude.

It's not going well when you're not throwing it blindly.

Right. The picks are happening whether you can see it or not. Maybe just try to do some blind plays. Old school Doug's blind place.

I actually think that there's a good possibility that maybe two it just can't see linebackers. It's the same thing.

It's the Jamis.

Well, there's the. There's the being line black linebacker blind, which is. That's an acute phenomenon that Jameis had. I'm saying that he can't see the linebackers because he's too short.

Too short.

Jameis is plenty tall. It was an eye problem for Tua. I feel like this is why in the draft you measure quarterbacks up to the eyeballs. Yep. You don't measure them to the top of the head. Two has got a lot of wasted space in the forehead. Makes him a little bit taller on paper than he really is. He's got low eyes. You've always said that 2 has got low eyes. I think also maybe being left handed might something to do with it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It. It just seems like the Dolphins are running out the clock here on the season on Mike McDaniel on Tua and they're going up against a Falcons team, which I mentioned on Sunday. I think my strategy for the Falcons will be just if they are coming off a loss, I'm going to bet on them and if they're coming off a win, I'm going to bet against them because they're a little bit of a Jekyll and Hyde. When it looks good, it's great. When it looks bad, it's really bad. But this is going to be a big time Bijan and Tyler Algier game. The last three games the Dolphins against running back ones have given up 410 yards and four touchdowns. That's not good.

It's not good.

That's not good. And Tua is one in nine in his last 10 road games straight up. And he's also not good.

He's thrown three picks in back to back games. Two is a very streaky interception guy and he's in a bad streak right now. A very bad streak now with the Falcons. Michael Penix not super healthy right now. I think day to day is what they're calling them. Day to day. We're all day to day. When you think about it but for Penix to be day to day right now, I hope that at some point this season we get a Kirk Cousins game. Yeah, I want to see Kirk Cousins. I want to, I want him to go out there, I want him to play well and then I want him to be traded to another team this season.

Is there a chance that Michael Penix is getting soft benched?

Soft benching is a new thing.

I mean, I'm so in on soft benching because it's now J.J. mcCarthy has been soft. It's been thrown out there that he's been soft benched. Vikings fans refused to give that any credence. I do think he's been soft bench.

Yes, yes.

So now every time someone gets hurt, I'm just going to assume it's a soft bench.

Soft benching.

Soft bench.

Soft benching.

Bryce Young, soft bench.

Soft benching.

He's been soft bench.

So, yeah, with Pinnock, not a soft. I think he's got like a bone bruise. He's daytoday. I just would like, you know that if you're the Falcons owner, you're, every month you're writing that check or every week you're writing that check to Kirk Cousins and you're thinking to yourself, I, I'd like to get something out of it. Even if he's not the best option for us at quarterback right now, it'd be nice to get some return on this value.

Just one win.

Just one win. Yeah, let's, let's, let's put him out there and just like make him work. Yeah, like you're paying a guy to not work at some point. Even if he's worse than Penck, you're like, I, I want him to break a sweat.

Yeah, just get him out there. If Kirk Cousins got you one win, you'd be like, hey, maybe it was worth it.

Money well spent.

By the way, there was some pushback on our discussion on Wednesday about Jameer Gibbs, in my opinion, being the best running back. And I didn't mention Bijan. That was, that was a mistake. Bijan is electric. Bijan is in the conversation. And then there was a stat I saw that is pretty, pretty significant. Bajan Robinson this year has 46 mixed missed tackles forced. It's 10 more than any other player.

Yeah, he's awesome.

He's so sick. And we get a Falcons home game so we get the cool camera that only they have.

Are you talking about the one that goes in the sky, that goes directly in the middle of the butthole of their stadium looking down and People.

And people. I've seen people get upset because they basically like. Well, Bijan's the only one who gets this camera. Yeah, it's, it's, it's at Atlanta.

Yeah.

That's where. That's when he has the camera.

That's also not entirely true. Desmond Ritter got that camera in Atlanta. And in Atlanta. And they used it precisely one time.

Yes.

On like one Desmond Ritter pass. So we have evidence documented about that. Yeah, I put, I put Bajan probably one or two in the NFL right now.

Yep.

I think that there, it's like a fluid week to week conversation depending on who just went off.

I also just a PSA to all aws, which I think awls do realize this because we've been doing this for a very long time. The, the, the long hardened awls who've been with us through thick and thin whenever we do a spur the moment top. You know, this guy's the best. Or top three. We will 100% miss a very obvious.

Name and we do it just to piss you off. Yes. You the one person who's very angry about Bajan.

We did.

Gotcha.

It has nothing to do with the fact that we are low IQ people. No.

I think I said Bijon. I think, I think I, I said that. I would definitely put him in that conversation. There's. In reality there's. Yeah. Three or four running backs in the NFL that I would, I would love to have. That you would love to have.

But I do, I do. No. No matter what. If you just. If you, if you walk up to me and say, hey, give me the top three in this position, I'll give you a good top three. And I'll miss an obvious one.

Top three wide receivers in the NFL right now.

Jackson Smith.

Okay.

Jamar Chase.

Yep.

CD Lamb.

Oh, Jefferson. This guy forgot Jefferson.

I forgot Jefferson.

I forgot Jeff.

What if. So we're taping this early in the morning. What if he went off for like four touchdowns and 200 yards?

That would look stupid right now. What are you gonna say, Max? Max, you got something to say?

I. I got nothing.

What are you guys laughing about in the booth?

We're just talking.

What? Share with the class. We're doing a podcast.

Max is excited about VJ Edge. Come.

Oh, okay.

Zach got. Zach got weirdly defensive about V.J.

Edgecomb.

About the Knicks.

Oh, okay. Well, good, good segue, Booth. Let's. Let's go to the next game. Jets at Bengals. Bengals are minus six and a half point favorites against the jets and the over. Unders 44 and a half. Good news for the boys in the booth. Well, at least for memes, the New York Knicks have more wins than the Jets.

That's awesome. Go New York.

That's huge. Go New York. Go, memes. Mean stat. No, that is a mean stat. Yeah.

Knicks look really good. Yeah. Yeah. Fun team.

Very fun team. Matthew Schaefer.

He's easy.

He's a stud. Yeah.

Memes. Do you think this is the week for Breeze Hall? I hope so. Unleashed 20.

I also think it's the week for Justin Fields. You do? So Justin Fields, Quite a week in jets world. We had some. A couple weird things happened. One was Woody Johnson talked about how he hugs Aaron Glenn after every game and tells him how much he loves him. Okay.

That's not really something that you do to a coach that's successful though, right?

No, it's more. It's more. You do that to someone whose family member is dying or coach the Jets.

It's like, I feel sorry for you.

Correct.

Thank you for. Still, it's almost like he looks at Aaron Glenn like, thank you. Thank you for taking this job. He's. I know that. I know it's not easy.

He's basically doing the Robin Williams not your fault in goodwill hunting every single day after every game. Well, no, I think it was every day they hug.

Milwaukee told the waiter, Aaron Glenn, you hear about him, he's coaching the Jets.

Thought he would cry, but that wasn't the weirdest thing that Woody Johnson did. Woody Johnson then came out and said about his starting quarterback, who he paid a decent amount of money to, that he can't complete a pass. If we could just complete a pass, it would look good. He said, if you look at any head coach with a quarterback like that, you're going to see similar results. That's a mean thing to say. And then Justin Fields didn't see it until he was talking to the media and was kind of thrown at him. Aaron Glenn also had a spicy exchange with the media memes. Not good. Not good. This is just total dysfunction. This is the rock bottom we were talking about. Under the rock bottom.

It's below the rock.

It's below the rock bottom. And now it's only up from here, hopefully.

What's below rock bottom? I don't know what the. The mantle of the earth, the liquid core.

Yeah, yeah.

We're at the core. It seems. It seems bad. It seems like they don't really. They haven't named a starter yet. Right. But I. I would assume that if the owner is making comments like this. It's probably going to be tirade. If the owner's like, our quarterback can't throw a pass. That seems like it would point towards the guy that can throw a pass.

Correct. But if you're Aaron Glenn, you almost have to start Justin Fields to prove the point that you're still making the decisions and it's not the owner.

So you're. Wait, you're saying that Aaron Glenn. Because the owner has been so negative.

Owner's been so negative.

You.

You.

If you start Tyrod Taylor.

That's Woody Johnson making the decision. Yeah. You're letting him win. Aaron Glenn has to start. Just almost has to start.

Yeah.

Justin Fields. Just to be like, I'm still in charge. I'm the man.

I'll show him. I'm gonna lose this game.

And I'm looking forward to my hug afterwards.

Yeah. Now, did you know that Justin Fields has not thrown an interception this year?

That's pretty good.

So he can't complete a pass to anybody. And so he is the first quarterback since 1950 to have zero picks and zero wins in their first start of a season. But Bruce hall. The reason I asked about Bruce Hall. How many touchdowns big cat do you think Bruce hall Has this year? 1 0. He has zero touchdowns.

I was trying to give him a pity one.

Pretty crazy. That breeze. Hall hasn't scored yet.

Yeah. They. They normally go to Braylon Allen on the goal line. Memes. I do memes. For the quarterback situation, Aaron Glenn did clear it up. He said, we will have a quarterback on Sunday. I'll tell you that.

Sucking haters.

So suck my dick to the world. Aaron Glenn just said you thought we were going to play without a quarterback.

Yeah.

You're wrong.

Listen, we're going to have a quarterback. 99.99999999% of the world will not be coaching a quarterback on Sunday. They won't have a quarterback on their roster.

That would be funny if he just went wildcat Pres. Hall for the entire game.

The Wild Jet.

No. No quarterback. Yeah. I don't know.

Tyrod Taylor's day to day too.

So he might not even be able to play.

What does he have a knee?

Oh, not just one.

Just one.

Okay. People have been tagging you in insult stats related to the Steelers and Jets.

No.

Because Justin Fields was 4 and 2 with the Steelers last year. He's 0 and 6 with the Jets. Aaron Rodgers was 5 and 12 with the jets last year. He's 4 and 2 with the Steelers this year. Arthur Smith, sneaky QB whisperer. He made Aaron Rodgers good. And Justin Fields.

What was Flacco's record with the Jets? I mean, Aaron Rodgers hasn't thrown for 300 yards or madre Stevenson doesn't fumble the ball, they lose that game.

Yeah.

Yeah. Hey, Flacco with the jets was. That's a positive for you. Hank Flacco with the jets was kind of like. Remember Kurt Warner on the Giants?

Yeah, not really, but yeah.

Yeah. Because it was. It was. Oh, this is done.

Kurt Warner, I think he was rocking two gloves with the Giants. He looked cold all the time. He just couldn't stop fumbling the ball.

Those guys deserve all the credit in the world. Be like, I'm not retiring. I still am. Good. Yeah.

I mean, Joe Flacco, he got comeback player of the year from coming back from playing for the Jets. He didn't have an injury. He was overcoming nothing. Like, major took him out of football.

Yep.

He just got come back player of the year because it's like, how do you get over what you just experienced?

Yeah. And Joe Flacco, by the way, had an incredible quote this week talking about being on a new team. His family still living in New Jersey. He said that. I used to see guys sitting at the bar by themselves eating, and I used to feel so bad for them, and now I realize that dude was in heaven.

Yeah. He had great delivery on that, too.

So true.

Great delivery on it. That man. Yes, I. You can. You can hear the. The fact that he's got five kids at home.

Yeah. Right. If you have kids and you are. You. You. You find yourself in a spot where you're traveling. It's kind of like when we go travel and the thing I look forward to most is just sitting in my hotel room with nothing happening, not even the TV on. Just sitting.

Yeah.

Just sitting there and just being like, this is awesome. Just a little bit of a break. So Joe Flacco, I think that's why.

He keeps taking these jobs.

Yeah.

He's like, yeah, I got. Daddy's got to go to work. You really like to stay here, pick you up from school? I want to do all the things, but, you know, NFL, I got. I have to. I have to go play for the Bengals. You understand?

Yeah. This is a must win for the Bengals.

Well, I think they're all. Must win.

Yeah. Well, there's a couple that will be coming up that are going to be difficult to wins. This is a must win if you have to. If they. There's a path for the Bengals to somehow scratch and claw to nine or 10 wins. It does not happen. If they lose this game, the Bengals.

Are going to be this year's team that is just always in the. In the hunt graphic. Yeah, they're going to be sticking around, making some noise, maybe playing spoiler at the end. Yeah, they are the. You're gonna love the in the hunk graphic this year, Cincinnati.

Yeah. So they got to win this one. Means. I. I don't. I'll say this. I don't think that the Bengals should be six and a half point favorites. That seems a little crazy. Their defense is bad. Defense is bad. Offensive line is bad.

Guest defense is playing better.

I might have to bet the jets is.

This is important. This is important. Is Sauce playing?

I'm not sure that is important.

That's very important.

Very important.

If Sauce is playing, I could see a world where. Yeah. Why are the Bengals six and a half point favorites to anyone? But if Sauce is not playing, I feel like that is. That might be just a Joe Flacco aired out game.

Yeah. But I don't know. The Bengals offensive line is banged up.

Joe Flacco also. The Bengals offensive line is always banged up.

Joe Flacco had that Joe Flacco game last week and then he turns back into old Joe Flacco. It's like almost every other game.

It depends on how old Joe Flacco you're talking about.

I like the jets here.

Yeah.

Hungry dog, is he?

What's the hungry dog this week?

I don't know. There's. I. I don't know how crazy I want to get. We'll see. There's a lot of dogs that I like.

Okay. The next game.

Hank.

NFL teams don't go over.

Yeah. Except for when the Lions they have.

And the Browns.

Yeah.

Yeah. But other than that I agree.

The jets are different.

Jets will win a game. I think they will.

Yeah.

I don't know. Browns and Patriots. Hank.

Yeah. It's exciting one.

Why?

Because it's a. It's a good test against a great defense.

That's a good point. There's a stat that's not great for you. Since 2018. Teams who are on a four plus game straight up or against a spread win streak who didn't make the playoffs the year prior are 14 and 26 against the spread. But they're 1 in 14 against the spread since 2022. So teams that were expected to be bad because they didn't make the playoffs last year and then have four game winning streak one in 14 against spread since 2022.

I don't. That stat doesn't mean much to me. It's a different team.

Okay, cool. I agree, too. It applies to the Bears as well, because I was. I saw the stat. Like, fuck. Shit.

Would you. Would you consider the Browns to be a weak team in the NFL?

A weak team? Their defense is like the best defense in the NFL.

I think they're one of the strongest teams. Just physical, just based on how much they can bench.

I think. I think they're a. I think they're an extremely good bad team.

Definitely.

They might be one of the best bad teams that we've seen in this league in the last 20 years.

Yeah, they don't feel like the bottom has fully fallen out at any point. They just. Obviously, the Dolphins, game aside, they play the same game every week where they will. This will be close in the first half and then it will probably not be close.

Yeah. Have you read the reports coming out of Browns camp recently?

No.

The Shador buzz.

Oh.

So Mary Kay Cabot said in practice, Shador Sanders has been making a ton of progress. He looks really good. I've been saying this over and over again. If you put Shador and Dylan Gabriel side by side, are one after the other in a 7 on 7 red zone drill, I think Shador would probably win that drill much of the time. Or if you put them against each other in a pocket drill where you're throwing the ball into little pockets in the net, I think Shador would win that a lot of the time. So that to me, I mean, I can't think of a more resounding endorsement of Shador than he's winning to throw the ball into the tiny hole on the net drill. And in seven on seven red zone specific drills, he probably wins that drill much of the time. So they're gassing him up. They're gassing up. It sounds. It sounds like Shador is ready.

It is funny that Dylan Gabriel won a game, is a starting quarterback for the Browns. And I don't think anyone is saying, yeah, that's the future.

No, not a single person.

The lefty. It's tough.

Short lefties, tough.

Yeah.

The Browns, by the way, they have their six. Their longest play from scrimmage this year is 46 yards. There's six longest plays. Four of them are runs. So not exactly explosive in the past game.

No, I. But I would say that the formula is going to be just, Judkins, Judkins, Judkins, Judkins.

The fuck out of this game.

This is Your Judkins game and make the Patriots stop you. But again, Hank, remember that stat. Patriots 50 yard rusher, they still have not given up a 50 yard rush of this season.

You want a, you want a great Drake base stat. That's pretty crazy.

Love one.

Drake May is 24th in pass attempts in the NFL this season. He is 8th in passing yards. Wow. That's pretty good stat. Yeah, that's a pretty damn efficient.

A deep ball merchant.

He's efficient, accurate, total package.

Total package.

For total package.

Cover two killer.

Is that what they call him?

Yeah. Watching a lot of film. So let's cover two.

They are. They have ranked third in offensive explosive plays this year, which is, I mean that's. Those are, those are the, the things that like, if you can stop explosive plays and you can get a couple of explosive plays, that's a pretty good recipe to win a football game.

Have you thought about the fork in the road in this game, Hank, where if the Patriots like you think they're going to play, I think your confidence train just keeps gaining momentum at that point. I don't think you're going to like spike up in confidence after this game if you beat the Browns handily, but I think you'll just be like, yep, okay, this is happening. I'm rolling with it.

What if we 40 piece about a really good defense?

If you 40 piece, really good defense? Well, yeah, that's a good question for you.

That's a spiker.

What if that, that spikes you up?

Yeah.

Now what if, what if you lose the Browns?

That'll be tough. That'll be, that would be, that will definitely be a go back down to earth, reassess, regroup, rethink some things, get ready for, you know, a second chance.

Would you say, like, well, the packers lost to the Browns? No, you would not do that because.

That doesn't care about the rest of the league.

No.

Yes.

And this is Joe Flacco. If we lost a Joe Flacco in the Browns, it'd be different.

That's true.

Lose the Dylan fucking Gabriel in the Browns. Even Shador. I, I could live with that. Like, Shador comes out, he's been waiting to prove his moment and just goes off.

Fine, you're doing the Flaco.

Fine.

You're doing the Sean Payton.

Dylan Gabriel, like, can't even throw the ball more than 10 yards down the field.

You're doing the Sean paid right now. You're like, I really hope they don't switch to Shador before we get to play him.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This is the first. The Browns are trying to win their first game in Foxborough since 1992. They've had six different quarterbacks try to attempt it. Baker, Jason Campbell, Derek Anderson, Tim Couch, Vinny Testaverde, and now Dylan Gabriel. Last one to. To. To do it was Mike Tomczak. There's a name, by the way, I forgot a stat. I apologize. From the Bengals. Did you guys know that last week, the Bengals winning with. With Joe Flacco, that was the first time that Zach Taylor won a football game with a quarterback not named Joe Burrow in September, October, or November? No, he was not 1 in 17. He was 0 and 17 until that win.

Because his first year, he won, what, two games?

He won two games. He had Dalton and Ryan Finley. He lost with Brandon Allen. Jake Browning, he was 0 and 17 in the months of September, October, November until Joe Flacco won that game.

Do we know. Is he a good coach?

Zach Taylor?

Yeah. Is he a good coach?

Went to a Super Bowl.

He went to a Super Bowl. He had Joe Burrow.

Went to a Super Bowl.

And then every year that the Bengals aren't good, those are years when Joe Burrow gets hurt.

Yep.

And so then you have to ask, like, well, he's winning a couple games with Jake Browning. Does that make him good?

Went to a Super Bowl.

He went to a Super Bowl. He didn't win a Super bowl, but.

No one expected him to go to that super bowl, so it's kind of a win. Yeah.

I. I'm curious to know from Bengals fans, do you think that Zach Taylor is a good head coach?

I think the answer is probably going to be no.

I think. Well, yeah, probably, but I think he's.

A good head coach.

Every. Every city kind of hates their coach a little.

Yeah. He's adjacent.

Yeah.

Speaking of cities that hit their coach, Giants at Eagles, Eagles minus seven. No. You don't hate Sirianni anymore?

I never said I. Not this year. Did I say I hate Sirianni?

Okay. You haven't had crisis of confidence at any point for Sirianni?

Yes.

No.

You hate Petullo, though.

Hate Petullo.

He could. He could. He could improve.

This is all leading to the Eagles winning the super bowl and then us having. And Kevin Petullo getting a head coaching job and then us interviewing him at the combine this year.

Yeah. Max, have you thought about maybe contacting the FBI and saying, I think Kevin Patullo is in the banana crime family. Might want to look into him?

Didn't think about that until you just said It. Interesting thought, though.

Interesting thought. So The Eagles are seven and a half point favorites. The over under is 43 and a half max. How are you feeling about this game? Obviously, two weeks ago, the Eagles or the Giants embarrassed you. The good news is I think I saw a stat that since. Since 2008 or 7, the Eagles haven't lost consecutive games in a season, in a single season to the Giants. So that's good.

Yeah. No, I still don't feel good about it because the last time we played the Giants, it couldn't look worse.

So.

But you didn't have Jalen Carter.

We didn't have Jalen Carter, Mitchell. But we're also not going to have Cam Juergens. And I don't know what the fuck's going on with A.J. brown.

Yeah.

What do you mean? What do you mean by that?

You know what I mean.

What do you mean by that?

Something's going on with A.J. brown.

Something is going on. Something is going on with A.J.

Brown. Are you saying his Instagram post where he said, using me but not using me? Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't. It's Insane. He had 120 yards, two touchdowns, and for some reason, he still thinks that.

I have a theory. I have a theory about age.

Okay.

It would kind of explain a lot about what we know about the guy. I think he looks at his relationship with a football team, and every time they go to him and they try to. They try to exploit a weakness in the defense. So they're like, we got to stretch the field. Let's. Let's go to A.J. brown. He's a great receiver. A lot of receivers would be like, yeah, this is awesome. They're knowing. They understand that I'm an elite talent and they are getting me to score touchdowns in this offense. That's a good thing. I think with AJ Brown, he feels like he's being used. Like, they wouldn't pass him the ball if they didn't need him to win. So them. It's like, you're just using me so that you can.

Using me? Yeah.

You don't. You don't appreciate me as a human being. You only appreciate me for my job that I can do.

So you're saying maybe the Eagles have to win a game where they use A.J. brown. The perfect amount.

The perfect amount? Yeah.

Like, hey, we're 80 yards in a touchdown.

We're gonna throw you the ball not because we think that you're gonna score, but just because we value you as a human being.

Right.

And we. We feel like that Would we want you to be a good part of this team and contribute so you're not going to win, that you're triple teamed. Let's just try to pass you the ball anyways because that's, that's showing us that we're not. We're not exploiting you. We're not taking advantage. He thinks that they're like taking advantage of him because they only throw the ball to them when they need to.

Score, when they really need to win. Yeah. And they need to show that their offense is broken. Have they thought. Have you thought maybe Jalen hurts. Maybe Nick Sirianni just has to have Jalen hurts and AJ Brown just have a good game of catch? I don't know.

Jalen hurts. Did another fortune cookie.

Oh, I have. I have America's favorite game. It's called Fortune cookie or Jalen Hurts. Would you guys like to play?

Yes.

I am familiar with this quote.

Okay. No, no. I have. I have a bunch of quotes because Jalen hurts. I. I was looking through it and it is. It's every single week. Multiple, multiple quotes. But so I'm going to play. I'm going to give you a quote. You guys are going to tell me if it's a fortune cookie or if it's Jalen Hurts. You ready? Whenever possible, keep it simple.

Jalen Hurts.

That's a fortune cookie. Fuck.

Well, I mean that's. That. That's grasping at straw.

Control the how many.

Every hold on coach in the NFL.

Says that hold on. Control the things you can and move forward.

That's Jalen.

That's a fortune cookie.

That's Jalen Hurts.

That's also every coach.

You're just saying football right now. The game. I'll just give you all this fortune cookie quotes this week. He said you learn from all your experiences. He said accept the challenges when they come in. Master the things that take no talent. That's a good fortune cookie. That one. I'll give you good one. That's a good fortune cookie. He said nothing is as good or bad as it appears. That's a good one.

That's also not true.

It's also a fortune cookie.

There's some things that was a fortune cookie that are just one in. Okay. I was going to say there are some things that are just, just as bad as they appear.

Control the things you can and move forward. That's a Jalen hurts.

That's also every coach in America.

Take advantages of your opportunities when they come. That's such a fortune cookie.

Also such a. Every coach In America.

That's. Jalen hurts and hope to influence people in the best ways.

These are just.

No.

If we're being honest, I have the one, but I'm just giving you the. I just had.

Those are.

You have to admit every single thing you just said is in every press conference in every football room in the country.

I was going to say that all those things that Big Cat just said, those are all true.

Yeah.

This is good advice.

He said, are you talking about that I just keep my focus on the collective. That's.

That's the one that.

Yeah.

You thought that was a fortune.

Well, in talks of A.J. brown, he was like, Are you focused on what A.J. brown is doing? And he's like, I'm focused on the collective.

So that's a no. That's a hard.

Yeah.

That he gave to what?

The collective. Just keep your focus on the collective.

The team. The team. The team. Max. Good news, though. You're wearing some cool jerseys this weekend.

Yeah. Kelly Green.

Kelly.

That's a great point.

Yeah.

It doesn't matter. Can't lose to the Giants.

Everything the Kelly Green. Everything's better in the Kelly. Like, A.J. brown's going to put on his uniform, be like, yeah, this is awesome.

I love Saquon.

Go Birds.

Saquon's going to go off the Kelly Greens. They're 4. 0 in the Kelly Greens since bringing them back. The Giants, on the other hand, the big question with the Giants is how do you get off the mat after what happened on Sunday? This is the test of can they keep moving in the right direction? Because it was a historical loss to the Broncos. Jackson, Darton, Cam, Scatter, Boo. Have obviously been electric. The Giants defense was good for three quarters, was great for three quarters. Some questionable coaching that. This is where it's less about the Giants losing the game because the losses happen. It's more, do the Giants players still trust that their coaching staff is putting them in the best spot to win? Because you had Dable Duke go pretty conservative in the fourth quarter on the offensive side, they did the rush three drop eight at the end of the game. So those are the. The. The thoughts that creep in. Or like, hey, are these guys doing the right things when you have a loss like that?

Yeah. After the game, we saw Brian Burns going through the hallway just, like, screaming out, I think that that should be a. A no cell phones policy in the tunnel right after a game.

Although I kind of like that he said it.

Yeah, I don't mind that he said it. But then it got turned into like, does he hate his coaching? Does he hate the team?

Yes.

How mad is this guy?

Mad?

I think that's fine for him to. Like any human being would do that. But the fact that it was recorded, I don't like that it was recorded. Let the boys have a little bit of a safe space right after a tough loss. But he, he clarified. He said. What I was referring to is the fact that we called it a call specifically to take away that play and the fact that Nicks wasn't even trying to throw it to Mims and it just so happened to be completed. It was kind of like disbelief.

That is true.

He was, bro, there's no way that we dropped 8 and we still couldn't stop that ball.

Yeah. Bonix was not trying to throw to Mims in that play. Yeah.

So he was, he was not. He said that he was not frustrated by the call itself, by the play call, but he was rather upset that they had the perfect play call and somehow it still worked.

Yeah. So, Max, overall, you feel good?

I feel. I feel good.

Ish.

I'm worried about. I'm worried about Cam Juergens. Our offensive line looked really bad after Cam Juergens went out last week. It looks like he's probably not going to play again this week. And the Giants defensive line is very good. I would like to establish the run. And the way our offensive line looked after Jurgens went down does not look like we're going to be able to do that.

Can I push?

Who knows? Maybe they'll make some adjustments in practice.

I, I like saying like, we got to establish the run. That's a good football. That's a great football thing to say.

We just haven't been able.

You gotta establish the run. But I, if you, if you look at where Saquon's getting his best rushes, they are, they're establishing the run. They're just not following through on the good point. They're just abandoning the establishment of the run. Yeah, they're setting up like a temporary colony and they're they're carving a name on a tree and everyone's like, oh, a monster took over this colony. Where did it all go? They had 5.1 yards per carry with Saquon in the first quarter all season. That's the season total. Second quarter, 3.8 yards per carry. Third quarter, 3.4 yards per carry. Fourth quarter, 1.4 yards per carry. So it gets worse and worse and worse as the game goes on. I think you guys do a good job of establishing the run. But maybe you got to. You might have to wait to establish the run.

Yeah.

We have to be better at the run.

Yeah. Yeah.

Establishing the run was. Was probably the wrong term.

By the way, this just idea we have part of my cheesesteak. Do you think we could figure out a way to do football fortune cookies with Pardon my cheesesteak? Imagine if you get a fortune cookie and you open it up, it says make sure you establish the run. A fortune heat up the quarterback.

What about a fortune cheesesteak fortune.

I don't know. I don't know what that is. You just put it in the middle giant.

So they eat a foot long piece of paper in the middle.

Dude. But fortune fortune cookies that are just football cliches, not the Jaylen Herz football cliches, but just, you know, you got to be able to win. You got to be able to rush forward and win.

Yeah, you. You're gonna have to pin your ears back today.

Yeah.

Dial something up.

Don't forget to take the check down.

Defense has to fly around out there.

We should do that.

When you think I don't know how.

How it work, but I'm down to sell. Fortune. Football fortune cookies.

Why did. Why did cookies become the thing that you put a fortune in? Like before you have dessert, they should be in condoms.

Yeah.

A fortune condom like you sure you want.

Hey, you sure really make sure you put this on.

Yeah, Don't. Don't take this off.

Yeah. Fortune cookies. We. We need to get football fortune cookies, Hank. But you can get on that, right?

Yeah.

Okay. Love that.

We've got some amazing merch, by the way, dropping for Black Friday. Some true. Like the fortune cookie idea is great. We've got a product that I think I'm. I'm more excited about than any other product that we've ever sold.

I'd agree.

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I'd agree.

And better. It is not true. It is.

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Do not, do not put it in the same category as a car.

It's in a different tier. It is 0, has 0. If this item goes up against a car stick, this item wins 100 times out of all. See? We'll see.

By sales.

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Yeah.

Cars are going to move products for years.

We will see.

It is Blake's favorite thing in the entire world.

Would you make a bet? Would you like to make a bet?

No.

Okay. Because you know it's going to dominate the car.

I don't actually think it will.

Yeah, well, the other day, Blake humped it and I sprinted out of the room to grab my phone to take a video of it, and he was done with it by the time I got back.

Weirdo.

Dude.

Yeah, well, I am him.

You wanted to film your dog humping something.

Yeah, it was very funny.

I don't know why you're getting so defensive.

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Buzzer. I thought you were. Hit him with the buzzer.

I thought you were the producer of this podcast. You should want this product to do well financially.

Be great for. I do.

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You're.

You're. Don't. Don't say it's the next iteration of the car stick when it's not.

Sorry for trying to make a viral advertisement out of our product. To me.

Advertise. What do you generate to generate money for the show?

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And fortune. Football. Fortune cookies. We got to do it. No one steal that idea.

We're going to do it.

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Lamar video from earlier this week?

No, the Overrunner's 49 and a half, by the way. Yeah. What was the Lamar video?

So Lamar, I guess it was during his off week or as he was rehabbing, trying to get his hamstring ready. A video came out of him ordering food at like a food truck down in Miami, I think. Okay. And we always say every year Lamar will miss like three practices because his butt sucks.

Yeah.

Because he's got some butt issues. This is the greasiest meal that I've ever seen. It looks delicious. Don't get me wrong.

Was it a recent video?

It's a recent video. Yeah.

Because that's been happening to Caleb. They. There was a video of him getting. Going into a club in Miami, and people were like, wow, I can't believe. Went to a club in Miami in the middle of the football.

I saw that with it with, like, three models. Right.

Six months ago.

Yeah. By the way, awesome video.

Yeah.

Very cool video. But no, this is. This is a recent video. He's getting the greasiest meal that you've ever seen. It looks delicious. It looks like something I would absolutely love to eat while I was really, really stoned. But Lamar getting this just makes me a little bit worried about his butt as he's recovering. I don't know that that stomach can handle what's going on, but I. To me, the real story of this game.

Yep.

Is the ping pong battle.

Yep.

We're engaged. We've got a cold war of ping pong battles going on right now.

It's making me very nervous.

Yeah. The Ravens removed their ping pong tables, the pinball machine from the locker room.

Sorry about that.

It's time to focus. Harbaugh said that it caught him off guard. Harbaugh said that he found out from the team equipment manager that they had been removed. And they said that it was actually. They said that the vets did it. That the. The players said, hey, this is time to take a stand. It's time to get all the fun and games out.

Well, the vets are probably. Don't play losers.

I. I have a hard and fast rule. When a team removes a ping pong table from. I mean, that. That means they're ready to win or.

If they add one.

Or if they add one. And then the. What I didn't like. So I was already nervous because the Ravens removed the ping pong table from their facility. What makes you really nervous is then the Bears poked fun at it. The Bears did an ad read where I think it was TJ Edwards and Tremaine Edmonds playing ping pong, playing all kinds of games. You can't poke. You can't poke at a team getting serious, removing a ping pong table.

The old saying, you can't poke the Raven.

Yeah. So I don't know. I don't know where I'm going into this game thinking the Ravens might kill the Bears. Okay.

You've been saying that for a couple of weeks.

I've been saying it for a couple weeks. I the gateway of everything I've said has been prophetic.

It does look like the Ravens there. We had every expectation for the Ravens. They got really injured. They had to buy. It makes sense that you would think that the Ravens are going to come out and this is like the most desperate game that they have.

I'm praying I'm wrong, but I've been, I think I've been very level headed about the Bears this year. That's mostly because Ben Johnson's the coach and that that was a big question because the Bears are actually at the exact same spot they were last year, 4 and 2. The difference is we have Ben Johnson as a coach and not Matt Dweber Fluss. I'm very honest about the Bears. They are working their way into trying to become a good team. They also are taking the ball away at an insane pace that will sustainable. So what will it look like when they don't get a bunch of interceptions? I think it was 15 takeaways in the last four games. You can't expect that every single week. So I'm coming into this game very nervous that it could be a whomping. I'm hoping I'm wrong. I'm hoping Caleb plays his ass off. The Ravens have gotten healthier on defense. Kyle Hamilton, Roquan a bunch of guys back. Marlon Humphrey I think was sick, but he's back. This is, I'm nervous about this game. I, I, I, I, I'm bracing. I'm basically going into this game in a, in a fetal position ready for the worst ex hoping for the best.

Something good could happen.

Yeah. Cooper Rush could play.

Yeah. And if, if you don't win, then you were just right all along. Makes you feel good about yourself.

I would, I'll probably take the Bears plus six and a half. I just this is a desperate team. It's a debt. Like this is the point in the season when you have desperate teams trying to win games and desperate teams. You know, it's just a different, a different animal.

Is Cole Comet playing?

I believe so. Although our, our injury report was extensive on Wednesday. Yeah, extensive.

So, yeah, if Cole Comet doesn't play that, could that be a good thing?

It could. We haven't been targeting a lot of tight ends period, because I know there's a, there's a cold war going on about, you know, the Bears passing on Tyler Warren. Tyler Warren's been awesome. Tyler Warren has had 45 targets Colson Loveland has had 13. So he's just. They're not being asked to do the same thing. I'm gonna wait a little bit longer to say that that was a complete miss, because when Colson Loveland has been asked to catch the ball, he's done some nice things.

So I don't think it'd be a good thing if. I'm not saying that, like, Cole Comet stinks. I'm just saying at least you know what you have in Colson if you're forced to throw the ball to him a little bit. And this probably isn't the week for, like, let's see what we got in Colson leveling.

Yeah.

This is. This is the week for run the football. This is all hands on deck.

Run the football. They haven't been able to stop the run, run the football. Also, Marlon Humphreys sickness. He tweeted the day before he was out of practice for an illness. He said, should I do a glizzy taste tour around the country one day? 50 states, 50 glizzies. He definitely was eating a hot dog when he said that. He definitely got sick from it.

Yeah. He also. He's had some bad food takes recently.

Has he? I like that he's out there making tea. He.

Yeah, I do, too. I do, too. But this is what he said on October 20. I guess this was the day before the glizzy taste test had to be said. But boneless wings are way better.

I mean, they're. They're. They're chicken nuggets. I. I'm. I am not someone who goes against boneless wings, because I do think there's a time in place for boneless wings. But they're not better.

Yeah. Wings. Wings are not. Boneless wings have bones in them.

But. But bones.

It's big nugget that's trying to.

Yeah.

Make themselves seem like they're as cool as chicken wings. You'll never be as cool as chicken wings.

Boneless buffalo wings, though. There is a time and place where it hits the spot where, like, hey, I don't want to get messy. I don't want to have things in my teeth. I just want to have some buffalo sauce and some chicken.

Yeah.

In the easiest way possible. Still bones bone in or better. Those are wings.

It's the mocktail of chicken.

Yeah.

It's like. Yeah, it's different. Just call it juice. I'm having juice.

Sometimes you'd rather a blowjob than sex.

Yeah.

You just sit back and just kind of just sit there. You don't have to do anything. That's boneless wings.

That's boneless wings.

That's boneless wings. You sit back. You don't. You don't have to do anything.

I think blow jobs are way better than boneless wings. Yeah.

I'm just saying the analogy of, like, you know, it's hard when you. Sex is awesome. When you. When you eat wings, it's awesome. But you also got to go. You got to do some work.

You got to go bone in.

You got to go do. You got to do some work. Yeah.

You go bone in.

You got to make some moves. Blowjob and boneless wings, you can kind of just sit back and enjoy.

Yeah. Especially you got, like, little ranch sauce. I'm a blue cheese guy cut into. I like. I like ranch with boneless. I like blue cheese with bone in.

Oh, yeah. Switching up that.

Switch back. That's where I go.

So. Yeah. Do you guys think the Bears have a chance this game or. You're not hungry dog and bears, you are. I'm not.

I'm thinking about it. There's. Like I said, the hungry dog is not set in stone. Probably won't be till Saturday. But the Bears are on the big board for sure.

It's a measuring stick.

Underdogs are, in fairness, but the Bears are one of them.

I will say if Lamar plays and plays well and the Bears somehow win this game, we might be moving on from six out of 10.

The tough thing, though, is if you guys win this game, then every. The story is just gonna be the Ravens are broken. Yeah, like, it's time to stop leaving the Ravens. They're just not good. But, yeah, this is a big time. I guess we're gonna see.

We're gonna.

We're gonna learn a lot about the Chicago Bears this week.

Yeah, I would agree. And I'm not going to overreact. If we get killed, it's like, okay, the Ravens are desperate and need to win every game, and they got healthy. So in Ben Johnson. I trust Ben Johnson. That's where it's different than last year, where I don't think the wheels are just going to fall off. Did you guys see how much Ben Johnson clicks his pen during a game?

No.

It's crazy. He's clicking. I don't know. Someone made a super cut of him clicking his pen. He's just clicking the whole time. I like it.

Pen Johnson.

Yeah, he's ready to go. There also is Wiener Circle did say that they will give free hot dogs to the entire city if Ben Johnson goes shirtless at any point during the season. I want to see him shirtless. I think he's a hot guy.

He's jacked up.

Yeah.

I think he's a good looking dude and I would like to see what he's looking, working with. Can you, can you play it sound. He's just clicking.

Yeah.

He's just got very active thumbs.

I like that.

He's got to just stay.

You gotta have something.

Gotta stay busy. Okay, next game. Speaking of desperate teams. So similar to what I just said about the Ravens, I'm going to do the same thing or I'm not going to bet the Ravens, but I have the same thoughts about the 49ers going to the Texans. Texans minus one and a half over under, I believe is hovering around 41 and a half. Let me just make sure 41 and a half. Texans are desperate. They need to win a game.

I smell a rat with this line.

Yeah. Why?

Because it's making me want to bet the 49ers so badly.

Oh. See, I like the Texans in this game. Not, obviously not because of their offense. Nico Collins might be out. Christian Kirk might be out. I don't know who they're going to throw to. They basically have a bunch of Iowa State guys they're going to throw to. I'm more going to bet the Texans because their defense is the best unit on the field. And the 49ers, Mac Jones looks good, but this is a, this is a different defense. This is a top defense. And so I think they could maybe find a way to win this game with their defense. And the 49ers continue to get injured. They obviously lost Fred Warner. They obviously lost Bosa. They now lost Huff. How. How are the 49ers going to take advantage of the Texans weakness, which is their offensive line?

Yeah, no, it's a, it's a fair point. And the Texans offense that we just saw on Monday night, that is. That's as bad as it can be, I think. And the fact that it was a national game, it was standalone, it made everybody really have to focus on the Texans offense collectively for like two and a half hours.

Right.

And we have a very, very bad taste in our mouth for that. So that's what I'm thinking about when I see the 49ers who are. I think that they're a. They're like the best version of a super injured team that you could possibly be right now. Yeah, they're. They might actually be the team that's going to get healthy at the right time. And I think that the Niners. Is this, is this the stat that every year that they're five and two they get to the Super Bowl, I.

I know that they get to at least the NFC Championship game.

Yeah, maybe. Yeah, at least. At least the NFC championship. And because they've lost a couple of those, they might obviously with Fred Warner that's an injury. That's to. It's going to stick around for the entire season. But they've got some guys that will get healthy later on in the year.

Brock Purdy. Soft benching.

Soft benching.

Soft benching. Is it the soft benching?

I think Mac Jones is in danger of being soft bench when Brock Purdy comes back.

We'll see. This is. It's if, if Mac Jones wins this game, are we sure the right guys playing quarterback in the fourth?

I'm not, I'm not going to abandon Brock Purdy.

I just want to do it so bad.

The thing here's one thing I know about Big Cat is he watches a fair amount of college football. But your takes in college football, it's really impossible to get your college football takes out of your head once those guys become professional football players. And so for the last three years you've been thinking, yeah, but Brock. I saw a lot of Brock Purdy at Iowa State.

I think he's a good quarterback. I'm just saying Mac Jones has been playing well and it's. Do you. Is Brock Purdy. He's good. He's good.

You want to say system qb?

No. Well, I mean Mac Jones also. I think Kyle Shanahan is the. Is the common denominator in all of this.

I think because I've been, I've been looking at this situation for the last couple weeks and I keep saying Brock Purdy, the knock against him is system qb. The knock against Mac Jones is game manager. So you've got a system qb but.

He hasn't been game first.

Game manager. I feel like system QB is slightly higher in the hierarchy of quarterback tiers.

But Mac Jones hasn't been game managing. They've been asking him to throw a decent amount. He's not like there's games the game against the. The Rams. That was the opposite of game management.

They had.

Yeah. That was the only way 49 times.

Yeah.

Threw it 39 times against the Bucks through 41 times against Cardinals. I don't think Mac Jones is a game manager. I think here's my final answer. Both quarterbacks are fine. The. It's okay to be a System quarter quarterback when Kyle Shanahan is a system.

Yeah, I, I would put Brock Purdy still above Max.

I, I would, too. But the system rocks.

That's a great system. Kyle Shanahan is a system coach.

Just saying.

Max, the last name. If you're a Shanahan, you know how to run an offense.

Mac Jones been playing pretty well. He's 4 and 1. He's 4 and 1 with the 49ers.

I'm choosing to take a big picture perspective about the 49ers and, and I'm reluctantly believing in the 49ers this season.

Yeah, no, I think they're a very good team and if they can get healthy, they'll be definitely in the mix for the nfc.

Tamiko Ryan's coach against the Niners for the first time.

Yep.

Since he's become a head coach. That'll be fun. I don't think it's a revenge game, though. I think I feel like all of Kyle Shanahan's former defensive coordinators are on good terms because at some point you might have to come home.

Yeah. Do you want to do a quick blind Resume?

Yeah.

Last 17 starts, 26 QB1, 26 touchdowns, 11 interceptions, 87 passer rating. QB2. 19 touchdowns, 12 interceptions, 83.9 passer rating.

I would take QB1.

Yeah. QB1 is Bryce Young. QB2 is C.J. stroud.

I like that. I like that we're having a conversation. I like that we're having the conversation.

Good blind resume.

Yeah. Yeah. I. I did not sell my Bryce coin.

Nope.

I held.

You're in Bryces.

We might be going. I am a card carry member of Bryces. We might be going to the moon. This feels like we're going to the moon.

Yeah.

And.

And we had to listen to all, you know, the. Did the. How badly did the Panthers up by taking Bryce over cj? I never heard us talk about that on this show, but other people have. And now it's. It's time for Bryce.

Yeah. Oh, okay. Afternoon games. We have the Bucks going to the Saints. Saints plus four and a half. How you feeling, Zach? How you feeling? You need a bounce back after that Monday night game, which was not a fun watch for Bucks fans over under 46 and a half.

I feel good about it. Division game. Baker was in the press conference earlier this week talking about how Saints, you know, play a little, not, I'm not going to say play dirty, but play a little unnecessarily aggressive.

Yeah. He said it hasn't exactly been clean play. From their part when we play him. Not much else to say besides the. The fact that I don't like him.

And I like when he goes into games with the grudge. He plays well with the grudge. This sounded like he found something to play for. We need to bounce back. Let's bounce back real high.

Yeah. I'm going to read the injury report from yesterday to you guys. I want to get your feedback on this. Bucks quarterback Baker Mayfield was officially limited in practice today because of a knee injury. Backup quarterback Teddy Bridgewater Parentheses teeth. Did not practice. What's wrong with Teddy's teeth?

Did you get wisdom teeth removed? Maybe?

Wisdom teeth removal?

Maybe he went veneers, new smile.

Did he go grill?

He got a cavity?

I don't know. But that concerns me that your backup quarterback is missing practice because.

Oh, no.

Like, you got to schedule your dentist appointment outside of practice.

He says. Okay, so brutal teeth injury is what. I just saw the headline. I'm trying to find exactly what happened, but you never want to see brutal teeth injury. I don't know if that was a joke.

Teeth injuries are also always some of the most unsettling injuries.

They are? Yeah. Hockey player wouldn't miss practice.

A brutal teeth injury. Yeah. Rare malady. Okay, here we go. Backup quarterback Teddy Bridge. Roger did not practice at all yesterday. Just two days after he made his Bucks debut on Monday night. Taking a knee to Killed the clock. The reason the Bucks gave his teeth. And then. Do we have.

What?

We don't have any. What happened to him?

Yeah, what happened to his teeth? What's up with Teddy's teeth?

I don't think there's an answer to his.

Ridgewater has some sort of dental issue that prevented him from taking snaps in a jocks and socks practice.

Because this seems like.

Fuck.

Is that what jocks.

Probably just, like, shells and shorts. But you can't. You can't schedule a dentist appointment like teeth cleaning during a practice.

No.

Right. Like, if we were taking part of my take and Hank made a dentist appointment for Sunday night. It's like, that's the one. Any other time of the week is fine.

Infected root canal. That's bad.

That's bad.

That's really bad.

So we had to get that drained.

That's really bad.

So he went. Maybe went to a shady dentist.

Someone who get. Yeah, Anyone who could get him in the door.

Yeah, okay. See that mouth, Teddy?

I think the dental industry needs to be studied, but that's for another time.

Go on.

Yes, please.

Now's down.

It just feels like it Just feels like the dentist. You go in and you leave with more problems than you had going in every time. And I don't know, it just. And they pop up everywhere.

New.

You see a new building getting built. You're like, maybe that's a Starbucks. Maybe that's a La Quinta. A note is always a dentist office.

Yeah.

I think Zach's going off of a story I told him about the last time I went to the dentist. I went in, my teeth are feeling completely fine. They said I had a couple cavities. I walked out, my teeth hurt. My teeth hurt for a couple months, and then I went back in and I was like, hey, I think something happened when you filled these cavities. My teeth hurt. And they're like, nah, they're fine. So Zach. Zach has been on the case about this.

Okay.

It's in there.

He's your actually brother's keeper. Yes.

Yes.

It's in their best interest to keep you in pain. Pain to keep you coming back.

It's. It is interesting because it is. I, I. They felt fine. I got cavities, then they hurt after they filled the cavities.

How much did you eat? Just regular.

Yeah, just regular.

Which is too much because I. I am regular.

The standard candy.

Yeah, Normal candy.

The normal of, like, two to three candies a day.

Yeah. Little ones, though.

Yeah.

No, it's on a two to three.

King size.

Yeah.

They try to take away your treats.

Little ones don't even really count.

Agreed. They're. They're nothing.

Yeah, they're fun.

They're just little.

I kind of like the Saints in this game.

Why?

Division opponent, at home, getting points. That's really it.

Yeah. I.

It's one of those games I don't want to think too hard about, because if I think too hard about it, it's going to be like, you're betting Spencer Rattler against Baker Mayfield. That was stupid. Yeah. So I'm just going to wash my brain of everything and just say, oh, it's a divisional game at home. Plus points.

I miss Bucky. Yeah, bring back Bucky.

He also is looking kind of skinny.

Bucky is.

Yeah.

I don't know.

He's got a.

Did you see those pictures?

No, I didn't see those.

On his feet.

Yeah. Maybe he's light on his feet. Find the Bucky pictures. He's looking a little. He looked a little skinny in a picture I saw. You just search Bucky skinny. I feel like that's not gonna. Bucky Irving. That doesn't look skinny.

He's jacked up.

He looked jacked up there.

All right, There it is.

That one.

Yeah. It might be a bad angle.

That picture does make him look a little skinny.

I think it's bad angle.

Okay.

Taken from above. I'm still. I'm more concerned with Billie Eilish choice of background music that he put on his Instagram story.

Yeah. By the way, I did a bad job. I skipped the game.

Is he trying to be the bad guy? Is that. Bucky's not the bad guy.

Billy a bad guy. Bad girl.

That's one of her songs.

Oh, I knew that.

It's a good song.

I'm the bad guy. Duh.

I did a bad job. I skipped the game early. So we got to go backwards. Bills at Panthers.

Yeah.

Panthers are plus seven and a half. Josh Allen and the Bills, last time we saw them, they did not look good on Monday Night Football against the Falcons. They had a bye week over under 46 and a half. Are we trusting the Panthers at home with Andy Dalton soft benching Bryce Young?

No, I'm not. I think this is. This is going to be good week for Josh Allen. I did see a. A crazy stat that went around earlier this week. Josh Allen passed touchdowns of 20 plus air yards from 2020 to 2023. He had 27 of those passes. Tied for third in the NFL since 2024. So the last season and a half, he's had one.

Oh.

Which is tied for 37th. Meaning that there's what, four or five backup quarterbacks that have more than one. Oh, so not necessarily a bad Josh Allen stat, but maybe a bad Bill's wide receiver stat. Maybe a bad Joe Brady set. But if you're winning football games, it doesn't really matter, right?

Yes.

In fact, it might be better to just hang on to the football, go on long drives and then score touchdowns. Yeah.

Then score that one.

Then to score really fast. Yeah, but it's still. It's an interesting stat because, yeah, obviously you can point at that and be like, Diggs kind of made a difference in this offense. Having. Having a guy that you trust to throw the ball downfield to does make a difference in terms of the explosiveness, which if you're playing from behind, you need that ability. But if you're playing with lead, not necessarily.

Yeah, I'm so. I want to take the Panthers. But then I saw a story that Josh Allen's grandmother called him and said, I just want to see you smile.

He's gonna do it for Grandma.

He's gonna smile for Grandma.

Yeah, Grandma.

Grandma game. The grandma narrative is. Yeah. If you're thinking about betting on Sunday, just, just see who's checked in with their grandmother at any point. Because that feels important, doesn't it?

It feels very important. Like you. You will do anything. You will go to the ends of the earth to make Nana smile.

Last two times the Blue Jays have gone to the World Series, the Bills have gone to the Super Bowl.

Oh, that's cool. How'd that end up Good for the Blue Jays. Yeah. Good for the Blue.

Jay Carter. Did you see too Dave Canales talking about Robert Hunt, his offensive interior offensive lineman who's on the ir. He said guys that believe that they heal fast heal fast.

It's true.

Yeah.

Power, positive thinking.

You gotta, you gotta say you're gonna heal fast. Then you heal fast.

It's only a scratch.

Yeah.

Fun stat about Sean McDermott. 8. No after the buy.

Okay.

So that, that actually good for the Bills. It feels relevant and for whatever hot streak that the Panthers are on with the meow mix stuff that is also very closely tied in with, with Bryce.

Yeah.

So I, I don't know. Andy Dalton's. He could show up and look like Flacco. Or he could show up and look like Flacco.

Yeah.

The bad one.

Jets Flacco. Yeah. I think the Panthers would be smart to not have Andy Dalton throw it very much in this game because the Bills, the spine of their defense is not good. They've been run on a lot. Maybe they fixed it in the buy. You have Rico Dowdle just run the ball. And if you're the Bills fan, I think this is a game, you have to kind of treat it like a get right game. Let's see something out of the boys. Let's get back on track. Yeah.

I think this, this might be the weekend that, that the Bills defense looks alive.

Okay.

I think they start to turn around.

Andy Dalton could help that and he could help that very much help that. Okay. Afternoon. We already talked about the Bucks and the Falcon or, sorry, the Bucks and the Saints. Let's go. Cowboys. Broncos. I'm excited for this game because the Cowboys are top five watch in the NFL right now because of their offense and how good it is. So Cowboys, Broncos. Broncos are three and a half point favorites.

Over.

Under is 50 and a half. I think we already knew this, but Sean Payton really, really hates Russell Wilson.

Yep.

Really hates him.

Yep.

So he said this week. What was the exact quote? It was something like I just told Brian Dable. I hope that you don't make the switch.

It was along the lines of I was hoping to not have to face Jackson. Dart.

Yeah.

Because I think he's a really good quarterback and sucks. And then Russ saw that, responded. It's. It's not a secret that Russ sucks.

Yeah.

The fact that Russ fired back, though, that hurt.

Do you think that was the time. Do you think Russ finally realized, oh, he didn't like me?

No, I think he's known. But Russ has tried to be the, the good soldier.

Yeah.

Afterwards. And now that he's been, she's like, I don't have anything left to play for.

Yeah.

Might as well. But also, Russ, you have to know that you suck now.

Yeah.

Like, it's been bad.

It's been really.

It's been very bad for the last two seasons. And there's no chance that you think that you're still the old Russ Wilson.

Oh, he definitely does.

I don't think. I think at this point, him.

In his head, he definitely thinks he's still the Russ Wilson.

I think at this point, he knows.

No guys like that. Guys like that.

Rusty knows.

Guys like that. They, they, they still think it.

Yeah.

By the way, I have, I have a bet in this game. I love you.

Ready for it?

Longest field goal made over 53 and a half. Half. I posted it. Yeah.

Okay.

Brandon Aubrey in Mile High. I mean, they attempt a 70 yarder.

What is the, what are the odds on that?

It is minus 110.

Yeah, I'm gonna take that. Yeah, I'm gonna hammer that one. Brandon Aubrey, he. He might kick from 75.

That's what I'm saying.

Let me try from 80.

Might as well just around and do it. I do kind of like first round pick.

He would be a first round pick if he makes an 80 yard field goal.

I like the Cowboys in this game just because of. The Broncos are just a fuck around team. They've been fucking around too much. So when you give me three and a half, I'll take it and be like, guess what? The Broncos are probably going to win, but they're going to fuck around. They're not. They're not. It's not going to be clean. They're going to fuck around. So, yeah, I kind of like the Cowboys in this game. Are they in the Hungry Dog?

The Hungry Dog is not set.

Okay.

You keep asking that and I keep saying it.

Well, I mean, we'd like it to be at least a little bit set for the people.

Throw a couple, throw a couple names out there.

We're doing a show People I've been saying.

I've been saying the teams that I.

Like, I don't like to pick on Thursday. Like do you have your Sunday picks all locked in?

Yeah.

You literally make me do that on advisors every single Wednesday.

No, you pick five games and that's for advisors.

The Cowboys are going to be part of it though. Yeah, Bears.

I like the jets, but that one's hard to. Hard to wrap your head around. I like the Giants, but like there's this bias thinking that I only pick against the Eagles. That's not true.

True.

But I love the Giants. I like the Saints, but that one seems crazy. I like the Titans, but that seems crazy. I like the Cowboys.

The Titans. Will you do.

I can tell you right now it's going to be Giants, Cowboys, Bears.

That's what it's going to be because the, the.

The Giants aren't beating the Eagles twice.

Like that's not going to happen.

That's just not gonna happen. I agree with that.

As much as I wanted to, I don't think it's going to.

Yeah. Do you remember like the Titans.

Titans. Jets would be the craziest hungry dog of all time. But that was my gut. I did bet it for a little bit myself, but that just. I can't do that to the people.

Titans. Exactly.

Exactly.

Yeah. Exactly. Why. Exactly why Exactly. Is there a good reason? Is there not. Let me take. Is there a reason it was the NFL? Yep.

Fair. It is the NFL.

Jones. Everyone's out. You know, Daniel Jones, mvp, Colts, one number one seed. Like. Like this happens every year. We talk about it every year. There's always these games where they never should lose this game and somehow they do. It's like how the. Did you know when we're talking in. Yes.

And also Yes, I have a question.

Yes, also yes.

So you're betting on the Titans for really? I have no. No reason whatsoever.

No.

Let me finish my question. Shut the up and let me back correctly.

And yeah. Shut the up.

Turn his mic on off. Max said cut his mic up Memes. I did not cut the man's mic.

Off explicitly say I'm cutting the Titans.

Hank. I just said I had a question. I was called on.

Oh yeah. And then you.

I get to ask question if he's.

Been called on Speak facts correctly.

I did not slander. I told you to shut the up. That's a statement. It's a demand.

That was not what I was.

It's not slander. Does the fact that you're betting.

Me.

Yeah, that's what we're doing now. I didn't learn our lesson.

Yeah.

Okay.

Why. When else did he aunt you?

Oh, in the. In the golf video that. That Hank and I had. We were playing for $6,000. It was a big match. The match people were calling it.

Where can people watch that?

They can watch on the part of my take.

YouTube. Yep.

And great job with the editing on that. And then on the third hole, I believe. Shout out, pug. On the third hole, I was putting for par, putting for my four. And Hank, I believe, was sitting on a five or maybe a six. I think it was a six.

Yeah, probably.

And.

And Hank, after I said, I'm putting for. I've got two putts to win this. Hank goes, what are you hitting right now? I said, a four. And Hank goes.

I.

When I was, in fact, putting for my par. Okay, so you're hitting six.

Yeah.

Okay, so two putts to win it. What are you hitting? Four, Par. One, two.

What?

Wait.

No, it's for.

Went right there.

Did he just buzzer me?

He plugged that, and then he hit it onto the green.

One.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yep.

Two.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Call me a liar watching that.

And I love. Hank is one of. You know, outside of my immediate family, he is one of the people who's closest to me in life. We've been through a lot. I don't think I've ever hated him more than in that moment.

I. I was.

That was. I wanted to punch you through the screen.

That's when I texted you and was like, it's tense.

Super tense.

We were playing for a lot. Like, I. I understand, and I know that I'm not the most likable person, and I like.

Especially, like, I like you.

I think there's situations. Like, a lot of situations, like, me and PFC play a lot of golf, and I would say 85 of the time. It's. It's very fun. And, like, we're having a good time. And, like, it is a fun time. And I did propose playing for this much money, but it's like, yeah, like, when we're playing for that much money, it's gonna be a little more serious, and I'm probably gonna, you know, come off like an. But I don't really care because it's like, it's. We're playing for a lot of money. Like, that.

You were in psycho mode.

The.

The running over the ball thing, that was just funny. Like, that's where it's like. I also think people take me too seriously when it's like, yeah, no, like, you got to play it. You ran over it.

That was just.

But you wanted me to play.

Yeah, obviously.

But, like, I did. Yeah. We took you too seriously. But also, you meant it. Yes. Yeah, I. Listen, Hank, I. I was not upset.

No.

And that's.

Yeah.

Because I. I knew that Hank was, like, locked into a different zone. Hank was in, like, super competitive psycho.

Mode, which goes badly for me most.

Of the time, but it's good for the viewers.

Great for the viewers.

Nothing.

Nothing care. Hank was actually, like. He was upset. He was pissed off. He was being a competitor. I was just there, like, this is fun. I'm having fun out here. And. But then when you at me, that put me into just more of a state of disbelief. I was like, I can't believe that Hank called me a liar. That he did. The sound effect. It was really the sound effect. If you had been like, are you sure? You sure you're putting four or four or is that a five? I would have talked it over with you. But the. You. You sounded a buzzer on me.

Yeah, no, that was.

That was a mistake. Hand up. Left hand up. My bad.

This golf video is a completely different vibe than any other one that we've ever done.

Like, it.

There was.

It wasn't very funny.

It was, like, real.

It was like Hank really wanted to win that match.

Yeah.

It was $6,000.

Yeah.

So we have.

So how.

That part one came out on Wednesday.

Who won that one?

The spoiler to Go watch.

Go watch.

All right.

And then.

Pft.

And then there's a second part that comes out today. So that'll be out. If you're listening to this Friday morning, it'll be out sometime Friday afternoon.

And it's not like Hank played that poorly.

Shut up.

I just shot a 40.

Yeah, no, you did.

Didn't lose a ball.

We'll talk about it. Firefest.

No spoilers, though.

Spoilers.

Okay, back to my question for Hank. Yeah, we're talking about the Colts and the Titans. Hank is betting on the Tennessee Titans for some mysterious reason, but I think that I've cracked the reason why. Hank, is it because you do not want the Colts to get the one seed in the AFC because you think that the Patriots will get the one seed? And this is a key game to you guys retaining the one seed.

It's not a key game because it's not a game that the Colts should lose. So I would not call it a key game. But as fans, there's only so much we can do to. To propel our teams to. To the promised land. And one of those things that I think I could do is just betting against my enemies at all, at all states and facets so I can be happy if they do in fact lose. So, yes, there is a little bit of. Of that.

That's a lot of it. I'd say that's probably 100, would you say? Well, it's like more or less than 100 of the reason.

It's like, you know, Baker Mayfield play one night football. I love Baker. But then it's like, oh, he's in the MVP conversations. Like, kind of. He doesn't play as well.

Yeah.

Oh, Colts are playing the Titans. They're obviously gonna win, but like, what if they lose? It'd be fun to profit off that. Yeah, let's get out. Let's get on the ride.

And also point differential is one of the tiebreakers against common opponents.

Yeah.

And you guys just recently beat the Titans 31 to 13.

So the Colts are 14 point favorites. This is the last game in the afternoon. Titans at the Colts. You're going to do it. Colts are just good, man. They're just really good. I know you don't want it to be true.

No, they are the.

But it's Daniel Jones.

Like, is he.

He's good now, pumpkin. Is he a. But is it like a.

Is he a pumpkin?

It's.

Yeah, it's about that time.

He's good now season. By the way, that, that actually I saw a. Stat since 2015, the only other team to start 6 and 1 with a win total gambling win total of 7 and a half or under preseason. So. So yeah, expect to be a bad team. Was Daniel Jones in 2022.

No way. Good for him.

So he's done it before.

Good for him.

They went to the playoffs. They won a playoff game in Minnesota, remember?

That's right. That was a wild game.

Offensive TD scored this season. Jonathan Taylor 11. The Las Vegas Raiders 10. The Tennessee Titans 6.

6.

Offensive Jonathan Taylor has 11, the Titans have 6.

That's so depressing.

Yeah, it is depressing. I do. I do like Cam Ward's. I saw a press conference where he asked. He asked a reporter to repeat a play call and the reporter fucked it up. And he's like, you would have just got in. Cam Ward is like, you would have just gotten sacked. So he's at least having fun. I like that. Good for him.

Like, I like everything about Cam Ward except for how he's played football.

Yes. And the Titans in general.

And the Titans in general. I liked him last year.

Yeah.

I might like him again next year on the football field. But right now he's. He's checking every box that I want to see from a new quarterback.

Yep.

Except for playing quarterback.

Yep. He is. By the way, the co. The Titans have last beat the Colts 10, 96 days ago.

That's a long time.

It's a long time. That's a long time.

Does it change this weekend, Hank?

Probably not.

Titans money line, though.

Listen, it's not gonna be the Hunger Dog, but I will probably be taking it personally. The Henry dog.

Wait, that's a different bet.

Yeah.

The Henry dog.

What's the Henry dog this week?

I don't. I. I don't have him locked in.

Big cat.

I don't.

I don't. No. But the Henry dog is something different. Correct. The Henry dog is you. The. To win. The Panthers to win against the Bills. This is the Henry dog we're talking about now. I don't have. You got to get the Henry dog going.

I will.

I do.

Every week. No different than the Hungry dog.

It's for me. It's the bets that I make.

Secret Henry. Yeah.

Secret.

Secret. Call me.

Nope.

Barstool DraftKings sportsbook app. Barstool betting group. All my picks are posted.

No, but it's a personal.

The Henry dog is such a great bet.

We don't publicize it.

It. It's.

It's something that you do just for the love of the game.

Yeah, it's just like.

Yeah, it's.

It's my heart. It's not. There's no. There's no like, sound, you know, betting advice that I usually go off.

It's. Wouldn't this be cool?

Yeah.

Henry dog. Just being Patrick Mahomes to throw three interceptions every week. The Henry.

Can we go back real quick to the Cowboys Broncos game? Because I. There was. There's a quote that I wanted to bring up to you guys that gets lost with everything that happens in the NFL. Sometimes we forget to look back to what's happened in the past. Back in the mid-2000s, when Sean Payton was the quarterback coach underneath Bill Parcells for the Dallas Cowboys. And by the way, Sean Payton, I think we all in this room thought that he would eventually become the. The Dallas Cowboys head coach.

Yep. At some point. Yep. We basically expected it for years on years and years.

We did. So back in 2004, Bill Parcells was the head coach and he was talking about how things go in practice when you've got. Got Sean Payton calling plays, going up against Mike Zimmer's defense, calling plays on defense. And he said, you got to keep an eye on those two because they're going to try to get the upper hand. Bill Parcel said about Sean Payton and Mike Zimmer, Mike wants the defense to do well, and Sean, he's going to have a few. No disrespect for the Orientals, but what we call.

Yeah, I remember this Jap plays. Yeah.

Surprise things.

Sneak attacks.

It's the Jap plays from Sean. No. By the way, no disrespect to the Orientals.

Yeah.

But Japanese.

He got it.

He.

He. He double offended.

Yeah, that's a.

That's a great.

No disrespect. That might be the number one no disrespect of all time.

He double offended. Okay, let's talk about the last game. By the way, the Colts are going to win, right?

Yeah.

Yeah. Packers, Steelers, Sunday Night Football. Very excited for this. Aaron Rodgers going up against his old team. There actually was some good stories coming out this week about Aaron Rodgers being a really good teammate to Jordan Love. Did you see some of that?

I did not.

There was. Basically. There was a story, an anecdote that was shared that the. Aaron Rodgers implemented a fine system for Jordan Love when he wouldn't speak during meetings because Aaron Rodgers said that when he first got to Green Bay was in Brett Favre's QB room, and he felt too intimidated to ask questions or speak up.

Okay.

And he didn't want Jordan Love to deal with the same thing. So he basically was like, you have to speak up. You're part of the team. Pushing him along to be included more. Nice. Nice guy, Aaron Rodgers.

Yeah. Finding his teammate. Yeah.

Yeah. So. Yeah, exactly. I don't. They probably got a pizza party or something.

No, that's a. Yeah, it's a good move.

Yeah.

It's, like, encouraging. I hope that you're. I want to give you the confidence that you should have in yourself to talk.

Yes. Who do we. I. I like the Steelers in this game just because of Mike Tom.

I love the Steelers in this game because they just lost to the Bengals and everybody was on the Steelers last week, and now you're like, nothing could be worse for the Steelers. The defense stinks. Jalen Ramsey? Don't know. Is he playing this week?

I don't know. I want him to play.

Yeah. Yeah, they do.

I did. What happened against Jamar Chase?

Yeah, they. They do. J.J. watt was kind of a non or T.J. watt was kind of a non factor last week and this is just a classic Mike Tomlin. Nobody believes in us. Guess what? We're going to go out there and win game. That's what it feels like to me. And the Steelers are also wearing. I don't. I can't tell if these are the worst uniforms in sports. Are the best. Can we pull it up? Pull up the throwbacks that they're wearing on Sunday night.

Worst.

You think they're the worst?

Disgusting.

They look like bees, but they're not. The bumblebee ones.

They're not.

Those are worse. The vertical straight. It's like a combination. If you're a bee who's in prison.

It'S gonna be an ugly, ugly game.

Pull up those throwback uniforms. Okay. Yeah. Look at those.

Oof.

The khaki pants.

Okay. Okay. The packers did at least help out a little. And they're going all whites.

Oh, they are?

Yeah.

Because it would have been wearing the yellow helmets.

No, it would have been very confusing if they went, yellow helmet, yellow helmet.

I'm still going to be confused, but.

Yeah, well, you'll be confused. You'll be like, which team is the Packers? But thankfully, they didn't. Yellow helmets. Yellow helmets would have been brutal.

That would have been tough. And then Aaron Rodgers is playing for the team that's wearing the yellow uniform. It would be just. It'd be very confusing.

The.

It's also tough when you go throwback for an older quarterback. It always looks weird. It's like, yeah, you know, throwback should be a younger quarterback thing.

Did he used to wear these?

Yeah. Oh, he played in this era. I like the Steelers.

I do. I like them a lot.

I like the Steelers. I like the Steelers.

And it's not, you know, the last.

Time I'm scared of the packers because the packers are really good.

You know, the last time the packers won In Pittsburgh, it's like, 70s, right? 1970.

Yeah. Jerry was trying to give me that stat like it meant anything. And then I kind of pretzeled his brain because you could also say Aaron Rodgers playing when the packers play the Steelers in Pittsburgh. Aaron Rodgers is.02. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Yeah.

You now have the quarterback who wasn't able to win.

Yeah.

In this matchup, it's a double bad stat. Yeah.

Yeah.

You don't know which way to go with that. Jerry is. At the start of the week, he was all out on the Steelers, and that's when we timed the market and we said, yeah, we're in on the Steelers.

Oh, yeah. Always. Always. Jerry's a great you can just go, I know the Steelers better than Jerry and that's not. Not. Jerry's just too close to it. Whenever he thinks that the Steelers are a really good team, they're different. You go against them and then he gets down, he says it's the same old team. Then you get back on Mike Tom.

You know what he did last week to try to pump TJ up?

What?

He DMed him a mike Tomlin locker room speech. I love that. But I was like, Jerry, that's. TJ's going to tune that out.

Well, not only that, but TJ was there.

Yeah. You think TJ doesn't get that on a day to day. He's, he's got enough Mike Thomas.

He heard it live in person.

Yeah. It's like if somebody DMs me a video. Hank. Yeah, I say I get it.

I got it. Yeah, someone dm's you a video of.

Him going, yeah, I get it. No, yeah, we see it and I live it.

We unfortunately see it all the time. Okay, should we do our TD parlay and then we'll get Jerry's fantasy minute and do our best bets. The TD parlay is brought to you by DraftKings. Football season just got even better. Barcelona is bringing you the game of the week every single week through the end of the regular season. Here's the deal. Every Friday, we'll announce a game of the week from the Sunday slated game. When the game of the week drops, all you have to do is share a bet slip on the game with hashtag Barstool GotW through X or email and you'll be entered for a shot to win one of five $1,000 bonus bets. That's right, five lucky winners every single week of the season. Download the DraftKing Sportsbook app. Use code TAKE to get in on the action today gambling problem.

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Do we know which one the game of the week is this year?

Which I have a wild idea.

What do we know which one's the game of the week? We don't. I assume it's probably gonna be Cowboys. Broncos, but we'll. We'll let everyone know and then you send us those slips.

All right.

What's your wild idea?

Three tight ends.

Yes.

Okay.

Do it. What do we go? Jake Ferguson. Put Jake Ferguson. Tyler Warren. Jake Ferguson is Tyler Warren.

I was just making sure that was the afternoon game as well.

You go night.

I'm thinking about night. And the Steelers. The problem with the Steelers is they've got like four tight ends who score touchdowns. Go Tucker craft, Tucker Kraft. 145.

Get it. Let's get it set up. Max.

Cowboys, Broncos is okay.

Game of the week.

Okay.

All right. Yeah. You know what? I'm gonna. I'll go Tucker Kraft.

Okay. So we have Jake Ferguson, Tyler Warren, Tucker Kraft.

Draft. Yep. Tight ends, tight ends.

This is gonna be a juicy one. Yeah, we gotta hit one. We've been cold last week. I think we got planked all the way around.

I blame Almond Ra.

Well, now that I'm on Ross scored. We. We've cleansed ourselves. Yeah. So we should be back.

What's the last one? Ferguson.

Craft and Tyler Warren.

So who's is this? Me, you and Hank.

Yep.

Max. Soft benching.

Yep.

Soft benching. Yeah.

13 to 1. Let's just get to Sunday night.

Yeah.

Let's find a way to get to Sunday.

Let's do it.

Okay. We have Jerry's fantasy minute. Then we'll do our best bets, and then we'll get to our interview with Zach Martin. Talking a little Cowboys offensive line play. Hall of Famer, Notre Dame. You got Jerry's fantasy minute. Here we go. Thought the music means. Start the music means I got one minute. Hey, what's up? Welcome to fantasy boys. Doing legs. Very important part of working out. Works out the whole body. We got some quarterbacks this weekend, so you could stream Joe Flacco. You could stream Michael Pennix. That Miami D sucks. Tight ends are back. Dalton Kincaid is back. Also this guy. God godson from the charges. Number one tight end down there. Also mess with the tight end of the league. Better look at the Travis Kelsey. This minangame running back is about to be Coach Johnson's next. David Montgomery. And you can stream.

Yeah.

Falcons defense because the Miami sucks. That's it. Just getting in some leg reps. Super important. I did it. One minute. You PFT. Call 1-800-injury-PRION.

Thumbs up, Mommy.

Thumbs up.

Does he say stream when he's saying stream? Yeah. Pick someone up.

Yeah, Stream them.

Stream them.

Stream.

That's a common fantasy football term.

Is it really?

Streaming defenses, you change. You change them every week. You can quarterbacks.

It's like. I've never.

I've never heard that.

Yeah.

Huh. All right. Jerry's deeper into fantasy than us.

Yeah. I mean, I guess that's why he's our expert.

That's a good, good thing. Yeah.

Also, Jerry, what are you talking about with Jaden Daniels? You were the person at the start of the season that came on this show and said he was going to break every record known to man. This is not me. You should be saying that to yourself. You did a badge. I. In fact, I blame Jerry for Jaden's injuries, for trying to live up to the expectations that Jerry set for him.

I'd agree.

It's disgusting.

I'd agree. Thumbs up, mommy. That was hurtful.

Yeah. Okay. Is that. Is that a crime now, telling your mom that you're okay?

Yeah. Mom wants to know.

Yeah. Hey, Mom. You're listening to the show right now. I'm doing good.

Yeah.

Nothing weird about that, Mom.

I want to punch Hank in the face because I keep thinking about that, but we'll get through it. And it wasn't even at me.

That's okay.

I'm.

I'm. The beauty about that video is it happened so long ago that I. I moved on past that.

Yeah.

And now watching again, I just thought it was now.

I'm gonna process it.

Yeah, you got to process now.

I'm gonna process.

Yeah.

Okay. Best bets. Let's do it. Right now. We are at, I believe, eight memes, and I have eight points. Memes and I have eight points. Hank and Max have seven points. Same with Zach. PFT has six.

The closest it's ever been.

We're all just hovering.

It's anybody's game.

We're all hovering. Who's up first? Memes.

I think I've gotten one total right all year.

Yeah, that's tough. I'll go Falcons minus seven and a half. Smart. Smart memes.

I'm gonna go Cowboys plus three and a half.

Shit. You're a.

Sorry.

You don't even like them.

No, but I like them. To cover three and a half.

Okay, I would like to take packers minus three.

Pft.

I would like to take the Falcons. Dolphins over 44 and a half.

Okay, I will take. Really? Max? Really me up. He.

Sorry. Sorry.

Texans minus one and a half.

I would like to take the Texans 49ers under 41 and a half. And you know what? It give me the Titans plus 14.

Love it like that.

The Henry Dog no one took the Dolphins Falcons over 44 and a half.

I just did.

Oh, you just did. Okay. Hey, I'm an idiot. Good pick though. Great pick. Love your pick.

Great pick.

Love that.

Great picket.

I'll take the giants Eagles over 43 and a half.

Okay, that's a fun one.

I don't like taking unders. Although I bodied memes on that under over off last week. Not that we're keeping record. Blind squirrel finds a nut, Zach. I mean it was. They could have played for eight corners. Blind Squirrel. Blind squirrel.

Zach bodied me too. And our over under off. I'd under in the Broncos Giants which was cruising until the fourth quarter. Yeah, that was most short, like 90 points.

All right.

Pft.

I'm going to take the Washington Commanders plus 12 and a half.

Nice.

Too many points. That's a lot of points. They pay these guys to play football too.

I would like to take the under in the Dolphins Falcons game at 44 and a half.

Okay. All right.

So Zach, we haven't under over off.

We currently do as it stands.

Yes, sir.

Okay.

I will take the titans Colts over 47 and a half.

Okay. And I will take the over in The Bears Ravens 49 and a half. What if it's Cooper Rush? Don't matter.

No, it's gonna be. Yeah, it's Lamar.

It is gonna be Lamar.

Yeah.

Okay, let's get to our interview with future hall of famer Zach Martin.

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Okay. We now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest. It is future hall of Famer. I know he doesn't like me saying that, but it's this fact. It's true. True. It's Zach Martin. Zach. We gotta say, by the way, I, I you don't know this, but we met for the first time over super bowl in, in New Orleans. And I gotta say, like, it's very rare at this point. We've been doing this for a long time where like, if someone says they listen. I'm like, oh my God, that's so awesome. But when you told me in PFT that you listened to part of my take and you know you follow barstool, I was like, holy, that's the coolest thing ever.

No, I mean, this is like, surreal for me because I, I did play pro football for over 10 years, but coming to the office today and meeting some of the people that I've watched for so long, it is, it's pretty cool. I'm a little nervous.

Yeah, you know, everyone, it's like, this is my favorite part of the job is when we have someone who's a future hall of Famer, like, big time, played in the NFL, and they're also fans of like, they're like, oh, there's Jersey Jerry. You walked in. I was like, max, the Eagles. He's like, oh, I know.

Oh, yeah, I love listening to Max blow up on Sunday.

Yeah, he loves freak outs.

That's fake news. Max is.

I don't have much over the Eagles, but I can't enjoy. Yeah, a Max freakout.

Max. Max said at the start of the season he's not going to get mad, and he's lived up to that promise.

And my guy Zach back there looking forward to.

Yeah, Zach.

He was. That's a great addition.

Zach on Zach. Yeah, the Zack attack.

How do you spell it? Zach?

I'm a Zac guy. What about yourself?

I'm a Z. A C, K. Okay. Yeah. Awesome.

And that was our first episode of Zach on Zach.

We had an H. We can, we can involve here. No, I don't think Zach's with H's.

Yeah.

Is there somebody that you saw just walking around the office and you're like, like, oh, holy. I can't believe that's white boy Rick.

I mean, it's all Nikki Smokes. Pumping in some iron out there, you know, working hard.

Yeah, yeah.

Got to chop it up with kic. You know, we got some ideas bouncing around already, so you never know.

Yeah. KC is. Is legitimately obsessed with you. He loves you. But, I mean, you. It's a testament to how good you were for how long. Like, as a Commanders fan myself, I don't like the Dallas Cowboys, but you were a really good football player, and I liked watching you play. So it's. It's a pleasure to have you here.

Appreciate that, man. Thanks for having me.

And. And so I said, future hall of Famer. You are a future hall of Famer. You're going to be in the hall of Fame. Probably first ballot. Not. What was seven first team all pros, nine pro Bowls. But I have to ask, of all the accomplishments, where does winning the MVP of the Pinstripe bowl rank? That's crazy. You won the MVP of the Pinstripe Bowl. You're an offensive lineman. How did. How did that happen? And do you have the MVP trophy?

Well, how it happened is we played a disgusting game versus Rutgers. And like, Reese, Tommy Reese, our quarterback, he had, like, a bunch of yards but no touchdowns. Our running back had, like, no yards and a couple touchdowns, and I think they were just like, all right, this guy's the highest draft eligible guy. I do not have it anymore. It is at the bottom of a lake. Not intentionally. We had it. We have a lake house, or my wife's family does, and we were on the boat one night, and somehow it made its way on the boat and never.

No.

Who took it out there? What was it doing on the boat? Now I want. It's a mystery.

We got to find this trophy.

It's on the. It's not a big lake either. It's a small lake. I mean, if we had a team, we'd go. Sure.

So we're in.

You know, my. My good buddy Pat got me a magnet fishing kit last year.

Yeah.

I could get on a boat and go out there and just. If you. If you show me the spot, we can pull that thing up.

It's not a big lake. I'm telling. It's like three miles around. We can make it work.

Finding Zach Martin's pinstripe.

Yeah.

Trophy would be such a funny video.

That would be a great, great video.

Oh, my God. Yeah.

But that was a good send off there from Notre Dame.

Yeah.

So.

All right, so you retired this. This last off season. Has it. Has there been moments where you're like, I really. I wish I was playing one more year or you. It was the perfect time.

It was the perfect time. I really haven't had any. Maybe like the first when they played Philly to start the year and like just the start of the game, like the heart was pumping like that. You know how that place is when you go on a night game. And so maybe a little bit then, but really haven't had any of those feelings. It was kind of a perfect, perfect ending there. My contract was up and I was ready to be done.

Yeah. And you look great. You've lost a lot of weight from even. Yeah. The Super Bowl.

Yeah.

50 pounds.

Yeah. Yeah.

That's pretty sick.

Yeah. I was a big fan of your retirement letter that you wrote. The open letter.

Yeah.

Famously. In that letter, you said that the thing that your son was going to miss the most was hanging out with CD Lamb.

Yep. Yep.

But you told him, hey, hey, buddy, we can. We can go visit CD when we want.

We can go visit him.

Has he seen CD since you've retired?

Since I've retired. I don't know if he's seen him since we've retired, but he was very excited last week when C. Was back in the lineup.

Yeah.

At a big score versus Commanders. He was juiced up about that.

I love that story. What is it about CD that your son was like, I love that guy?

I just think. I mean, he's just a playmaker. Right. He's the one making all the plays. And so I'd come home and he'd make sure I was all right, but he'd be like, oh, how about that CD catch? Or how about that seed touchdown? It was cooled up my last game down there. I was injured, and so is CD but before the game, my kids got to come down the field, and I brought CD over, and CD and Charlie got a. Got a picture on the field on my last game, so.

That's awesome.

Very cool.

Yeah. So, Notre Dame Cowboys, what's it like being a douchebag?

Very similar. Fan base is everything. A lot of. A lot of eyes on us at all times. There's blessing and a curse.

Yeah.

Good things that come with it. But, you know, there's some. There's some stuff that people don't talk about there that. That. That sucks at times.

Yeah. Does it feel different. Like when you. You obviously. Your whole career was at the Cowboys, but does it feel different knowing, like, you guys are going to be talked about more than any other team? You're going to be judged more than any other team and how to deal with that where not. No offense to, like, the Jaguars or the Cardinals, but they're just. There's just not the spotlight on them.

Yeah, it was really more. I feel like, like the years we weren't great, and it's like how they're still talking. Why are they talking about us? We're. We're five and eight now.

Right.

Right now. But I think it just kind of comes with it. Obviously, what Jerry's built down there and. And the success that the Cowboys have had in their. In their history, it's just going to come with it. And you just got to take it and not, you know, it's cliche, but not live in the. The comment section and. Yeah, do your thing.

Yeah.

What was it like for you as a listener of the show when. When Hank became a fan of the Dallas Cowboys? Briefly?

You know, it was nice because Hank's had a lot of. A lot of luck in his. Yeah, I was hoping maybe he could bring a little of that. A little of that to us.

What do you got? Max? You push. Put the mic closer. Oh, that's good. Producing, Max. Yeah.

Great job, Max.

Keep this all in.

All the people that think that Max.

He's gonna leave me hanging.

All he does is presses record, then presses stop. No, he gets off his ass.

Yeah. He gets up, he puts this closer. Zach, do you. You just talk. Zach, real quick. So we have another Zach talking.

Yeah, we can go. Zach for Zach. As of right now, we're just getting a couple things adjusted. Everybody's good combo so far. I'm enjoying the riff.

It's almost like you're doing a review of the podcast, like, during the podcast.

Yeah. Okay, so we gotta. I have a couple people. I gotta ask you about that. You could tell us how we got it wrong. Okay. Brian Kelly, how do we have it wrong?

Oh, man, you're killing me here.

He's a good football coach.

Good football. I would say I'm not overly close with Coach Kelly. I would say play with him. But I, you know, I have not talked to him a lot since I left there. But he does do something right, because, I mean, LSU hasn't really come around, I guess, fully yet, but the guy wins wherever. Yeah, I think he does a great job. He can manage the program, Right. Like Notre Dame, for example, it's. It's a lot more than just being a football coach. There's a lot of, you know, a lot of you got to put up with. And I think he did that well, and I think he hires well. I think he does a good job of going out and getting good coordinators, good position coaches and. But yeah, he does something right.

Yeah, he does, sure.

I can't put my finger on it necessarily, but he does. Definitely has something right in the formula.

Yeah. All right, I'll ask you an easy question. In between the. The above people in detail, I need, like, as much time as you want to talk about it, as much detail as you want to go. If you want to do the next hour on it, I need a step by step, play by play, second by second of the Mike McCarthy watermelon smash.

Okay, we were in Minnesota.

Okay.

Minnesota game. Yeah, I believe it was Sunday night game in Minnesota.

Yep.

We were bad. It was coveted year. We were in the. So when you, when you do the night before the hotel, you. You're in the big ballroom for dinner, and then you kind of, you know, five minutes for the meeting. Everyone kind of Moses over to the big ballroom where they have, you know, screen set up all the chairs for guys, and they had a stage this time, which normally that wasn't normal stage. And then he had, like, the picnic table. You know, like the plastic whatever on the picnic table was, like, laid out all over the stage. I forget what his message was, but it was something about, you know, smashing whatever we've done now and, you know, move forward. But he just started smashing watermelon spraying all over us.

He was wailing on the watermelon.

Yeah, he was. And I think he was bringing people up. I. I don't think I got a swing on the watermelon, but I do believe he was bringing either other coaches or certain players up to.

So the watermelon was a metaphor for the season?

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's. Yeah, I didn't think about that. I thought he was just doing, like, Gallagher, the. The old comedian that used to smash watermelon.

I don't think so. I think it was more like, I don't know, he was just looking for something to get us, get us into it.

But it worked.

We won.

You. No, no, you won that. Like, because this was. I, I want to say that I not only bet the Vikings, but I think I was still in my Survivor League for a lot of money. I had the Vikings. And afterwards when it came out, I was like, this Is such bullshit. If I had known this is a watermelon smashing game, I never would have been. Yeah, no, I guess so. Yeah. Did you guys all walk out of the meeting being like, now we're going to go be the greatest team ever?

I don't know. I mean, at least gave us a little conversation when we go get ice cream before we go to bed.

Okay.

At the ice cream stand.

Yes.

Listen, watermelon smash it me up bad. I lost a lot on that. That. Yeah, I. You gotta know when the team's about to smash a watermelon. Yeah.

You gotta know it. That's important information the books don't put out. Yeah.

Was he a big prop guy in those meetings or was that the one time?

No, he would, he would do props. Like he was, he grew up. His dad was a bar owner. So I remember one time he had like, he had like the bar props and he was doing something with it, you know, like the towel and like the shaker and all that.

I like that.

I forget what the message was, but now he'd use props every once in a while.

So we gotta ask you a little bit about Jerry Jones. We want to have him on the podcast.

So.

Yeah, I want to drink Johnny Walker.

Yeah.

On the bus with Jerry. I want to hang out with him. Just let the man talk.

Yeah.

He's a fascinating. Love him or hate him, he is a very interesting guy. Successful beyond all your wildest dreams.

Like he is.

He's done everything and he's still like the centerpiece of that team. What was it like meeting him for the first time?

Time.

I met him on my, I remember I went down to a visit before I got drafted. They did like the like pre draft visits or whatever and it was just like a real quick like five minutes. Like he wasn't doing a lot of the like deep diving questions. And then kind of over my career, I obviously had interaction with him. He was great. Always, you know, treated me great. But then my contract stuff came up a couple years ago, that's when I, you know, I, I had started having one on one conversations with them.

Yeah.

Got to know him a little bit better and got closer with them. But yeah, it was cool to kind of sit. It was just us in the room. Several times we're sitting, talking through our contracts and kind of to like pinch yourself. You're like, dude, I'm just like negotiating with this, you know, oil tycoon billionaire. Yeah. But yeah, that was cool, man. He takes care of us. Obviously he's, you know, he's got the business thing going, going heavy, but the dude wants to win. There's no mistake about it. He. He does want to win. I think, you know, he. The business side of it pays the bills, so he puts a lot of time into it.

Yeah.

Did.

He Did. Do you have an agent at the time?

I did. I did. Go ahead. Are you leading anything?

I was curious. Like, I. I've been involved in a little bit of the negotiation, agency agent thing.

Not.

Not to, like, the extent that you have, obviously, but I could imagine that your agent might be upset that you're meeting face to face with a guy and that's kind of his job.

Yeah, I was in a little bit of a different circumstance because it was my. My second. You know, when I did my first deal, my agent was obviously very involved. This was kind of at the end of my career. I had a few years left. You know, I was trying to get a little extra on the back end, and in my mind, I thought it was pretty cut and dry, so. And that's how Jerry. I mean, you've obviously seen in the. Micah. Micah stuff, like, he likes to have those meetings with players, and, you know, I think he likes to get the. Get us one on one. I mean, obviously, why wouldn't you guys that don't have much experience, but he takes care of you. And we came to an agreement between the two of us that I was happy with, he was happy with, and it all worked out.

Yeah.

He seems like he. He could be fun to play for if you were one of his guys.

Yeah. When you're rolling, I mean, it's. It's tough to beat. It's. It's those dog days when you're losing, you know, three, four in a row. And yeah, you know, everyone's on edge at all times around the facility, but when things are rolling down there, it's great.

Yeah. If things are like. If you're in a losing streak and he lands the helicopter on the practice field, you're like, oh, I see it.

You gotta. You gotta exit the practice when it comes down.

Yeah. Off that. So this is. We're in week eight right now. I'm a big believer. This is like the window where there's. You can pick out maybe some desperate teams. Do you. Is that a real thing where it's like human nature definitely takes over, where if. Hey, if you're winning, maybe you don't. You're not as pushing as hard. But when you get to that point in the season where it's like, we have to win, the desperation comes out and you get a better effort.

Yeah, I think it would be, I mean, I think it'd be dumb to say if people are like, hey, we don't let this stuff slide in like it does. It happens when you're on a roll. Like at some point, you know, you have a let. Like, we've had 21, 22, 23, and we were rolling. We kind of limped into the playoffs and I think that was kind of our downfall. But same thing. We won eight or nine games in a row, but you start letting little stuff creep in and it just piles up. And unfortunately for us, it was like, it piled up at the worst times.

Yeah. Yeah. Because I think that human nature part of like, pro sports is always interesting to me because we think of it, oh, they're pros. Every week's going to be the same. It's like, no, they're still just regular human being.

Well, and also like, the, the discrepancy, like, the teams are not that different talent wise. Like, everyone's really good. So you, you catch a team that like, oh, yeah, we should kill these guys. It's like, well, yeah. Have you seen their defensive line, though? Like, we're in for a meat grinder. Right. You know, so even the teams that aren't record wise, great, when you look on tape, you're like, damn, they got this guy. They got this guy. So you got to be on it every week.

Yeah. I was such a thin margin.

We've said a lot of things on the show about Dak Prescott Scott. You might say we complimented him at times when we called him the 17th best quarterback. Might say we insulted him by calling him the 17th best quarterback. You played alongside Dak for many years. Can you tell us why we're wrong about Dak?

I wish that Dak could come back on here and do the interview.

Had a lot to do with that.

Yeah.

I honestly, and this is like, nothing against you guys, but like, I, I don't think he knew like, you guys at all when he came on the.

Internet, which was fair because it was early on. Yeah.

And I don't think he knew like, the, the shtick or anything. So, like, listening to it and knowing him, I'm sure he's just like, what the are these guys asking me?

Yeah.

So I think if you had him on now, it'd be a lot different.

Do you think he'd be open to coming back on? Do you think he doesn't like how.

You guys have helped the chance?

No, probably not. Definitely not.

Well, we have said that. We. We said this season that, oh, he's should be in the. Definitely in the MVP conversation, if not leading well.

And I also want to come back because he's like. He is the best. Like, he is the absolute best. He would. You would love him if you. If you got to sit down here and just. Just shoot the shit. And he knew kind of what was going on, but he is. Guys in that building play for that guy.

Yeah.

Telling you, I would love to have him do the hard count.

Yeah.

Here we go.

Yeah.

Has he always done the.

Here we go now? That changed. They actually. We put that in because. So we got a new. When McCarthy came in, it was all about, like, get off the ball, get off the ball. We're trying to fly off the ball. Well, then people started jumping the snap count, and it just kind of became. It just didn't look fluid. Some guys were getting off. So then that's when we added the. Yep, here we go. To, like, all right, everyone get ready. And then everyone try to get off at the same time. So that's why they added that, because everything got kind of screwed up when guys were getting off at wrong times.

Let's.

Let's.

Do you know what? Let's heal real quick. Let's all say something nice about Dak.

Okay.

Okay, Max Memes. Zach, can we all say something nice about Dak Memes? You want to start? Say something nice about Dak Prescott. This is going to get us. Get him back on the show, because I would like to.

He's a father.

There we go. He's a father.

Had sex.

Yep.

I would like Zach to go first.

Okay.

One day, I'll scroll on Instagram. Beautiful home.

Okay. Okay. All right, Max.

I don't know if I can.

Come on, Max.

Like, I'm. It is. It is in my soul to hate dad.

Just say something. All right, I'll go. I like, I'm a bigger fan of Dak Prescott than I am of Brian Kelly.

That's huge.

That's big. That's massive, right? That's big.

Yeah.

He is by far the most handsome. How tall is he? Six three, Right?

Maybe six two.

Six.

Three.

Six, three. I'll just go six three. He's by far the most handsome six foot three Mississippi State alumni that I know.

Yes. Yes.

There's no close second.

Yes. Max. Come on, Max.

He's got a lot of philanthropy work.

Come on, man. You need to communicate for the kids.

He's good. Good.

He's good.

Good with the Kids.

I do think it's like we, we. That was an early on interview that we did with Dak. I would like to have him on again. I think it also there was. There was another time maybe a year or two after that we were supposed to have him on in a Super bowl week and something fell through and we were just like, ah, this guy. So. But we. He's an awesome quarterback. We like to. I think it's also the Cowboys thing. Whoever the quarterback of the Cowboys is, you're gonna make fun of them.

That's though in like my opinion the most impressive part about him. Like the amount of that he has to go through.

Yeah.

And like the amount of things that are on his shoulders.

It.

I mean if people knew the amount of he has to deal with.

Oh, I'm sure it's ridiculous. Yeah.

Yeah. I. I can imagine that it's like it not something that they prepare you for in college.

Yeah, right, right.

Like you get to the league, all of a sudden you're the quarterback of the.

When he got thrown in there like a week before the season too too.

Yeah.

You know.

Yeah.

And to be. To be able to handle it without, you know, any major public missteps is pretty impressive.

Yeah.

And wait, so wait how many years. What. What year was that?

Was you were you 2016. So I had. I had Romo for three years. But really.

And that's another guy we take. We speak very highly. Yeah.

I had a Robo for really just my rookie year.

It might really be a us thing.

Yeah.

Yeah. So is Romo your rookie year?

From our rookie year he was. He was 15. He played four games in this collarbone twice. And then my third year was the year that he got hurt in preseason. Dad came in.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That is tough to be thrown in at the last second.

Yeah.

You ever play golf with him?

With Romo? I've never played with him now but I got a funny story. So we went to. My brother in law has played in the Tahoe event.

Awesome.

A few years you got to play in it. And we're trying to. I'm going to try to. I would love to you.

Yeah.

Maybe this can springboard my yes. Invite because we used to go out there with all our buddies like three years he played and rent a house and it was unbelievable.

Your brother in law, Tyler Iford.

Yes. Yes.

Yeah.

Did he. Did he throw your trophy into a lake?

It wasn't him. No, no.

That's definitely something Tyler would do.

It would definitely something.

Okay.

Very.

Yeah. Checks out. But we were at the Tahoe deal and Romo was playing in it. And so like we ran into him and, and he was like, why, why are you here? And I'm like, oh, my brother in law's playing. Whatever. So then the rest of the weekend, anytime we were walking and we were by Romo, my buddies would like scream out Romo. And he'd turn and see me. So it just looked like I was following Tony around the entire weekend. So, like, I'd walk up and be like, Robo. He'd turn around, be like, oh.

Yeah. I mean, he. That the Tahoe is the best. We got to get you in.

Yeah, it's great.

How's your golf game?

It's trending. Yeah, I've been playing a lot. That's.

That wasn't a direction. You just said trending.

Well, that's good. I mean, I played a lot this summer.

Okay.

Play a lot. I'm like a 10.

Oh, that's pretty good.

You playing it.

Yeah. So I'm. I'm respectable.

I'm going to steal that, though. If someone ever, whenever someone ask me, I'm just say trending, not saying which direction, but it is trending. You had, in Your entire career, 11 seasons in the NFL, you only had seven holding calls, is that correct?

That were accepted?

Yeah, accepted. How many times do you think you actually held? Held?

I bet there's probably, I don't know, four or five that were declined. Like on third down maybe.

That's crazy. Yeah, seven.

Yeah, dude, I.

Can you remember all seven?

No, but I do remember some. Like, I had a bad one in Pittsburgh one year in 2016 that I. That wasn't a hole, but they called it on me.

Oh, so it wasn't even. That doesn't. So now we're down to six.

No, they called it on me.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But no, I, I can't remember all of them.

I think what big cat was getting at, like, how many times did you hold and get away with it?

Yeah, a lot.

A lot. And I think I, I had. I have a good. I feel like I had a good understanding of what is a hold. Like, if the ball is on the other side of the field and you're holding, they're not going to call it. It's really. When the ball is. Is pat it passing you. So if you got a play, it's coming right behind you and you start feeling your guy fall off, you either have to let go or get yourself in position. So I think I was smart enough to one, let go and Then that was kind of like, I would say if someone asked, like, what was your best attribute? Like, I. I could just get out of, like, terrible situations. Like, I. I could be in these funky body situations. It looks like I'm beat, and I could just kind of. I don't know, naturally just kind of get my body in front of a guy. And I think that helped with the. The holding penalties.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Who is the toughest guy? You went up or the guy who gave you the most problems?

Well, I like to take Donald out of it.

Okay.

That's like an obvious.

What. What is it? Let's. Let's talk about Aaron Donald, though, for a second. What is it? Is it just.

Just.

Is his strength just that. Can you notice his strength versus other guys?

Oh, yeah. And it's his. Like, not only is he freakishly strong, he's got. He's not a huge guy.

Right.

I know you guys have interviewed him.

Like, he's.

I called him maybe six foot.

Yeah.

You know, so he's got a lot of natural leverage, and then he's got every. You know, he's got moves, he's got speed, he's explosive. He. He's like, the only guy that, like, you really. At least I was, like, staying up the night before the game, like, like, damn. Yeah, this is gonna be.

This is gonna suck.

Yeah. Like, this dude can make me look dumb at any moment.

Yeah.

You know, but if. If you take him out of it, Fletcher, that's like my. That would be like my kind of. I think we played against each other 20 times.

Yeah.

So Fletcher Cox was definitely the guy that I kind of respected the most and had, like, the best battles with.

Who was the outside of Aaron Donald or Fletcher Cox? Who is, like, the most country strong or, like, the strength that you're like, holy. So maybe not the best player because they might not have the speed to match it or the moves, but when they got your. Their hands on you, you're like, oh.

Dexter Lawrence, I mean, he's really good, but he's one of those guys that, like, puts his hands on. You're like, God, Jeffrey Simmons, another guy that, like, yeah, hands on him. And Dominican Sue.

Yeah.

Can't leave sue out. I had, like, he got after me pretty good early in my career. I played him. I think I played him every team he was at, but sue would be that another one. I played him Detroit when he was rolling, played in Miami. Got him. We put him in the playoffs one year with the Rams. So, yep, he's definitely in that Mix for sure.

Yeah.

Did you ever have. Is there like one block that you made that stands out to you like that. That was the best pancake of all time.

Not at the top of my head, no. But like, like, like sometimes, like, this is like a small O line thing, which you would. My guy Kidic would. He would understand.

Like, is probably.

Yeah.

Outside the door right now.

But anytime you get like a. A slide away from you, so the center is going away from you and you're like, man, like one on one and like a third down versus an elite rusher. Like, if you, if you stone a guy in those situations, it gives you like, damn. That was. That was pretty good. Like, that was good. Yeah, I had. There was room on both sides of me, and he could have gotten either way, and I held up there. So a lot of double teams with Travis Frederick. A lot of. A lot of double teams with Travis Frederick that come to mind, but not one specific. Yeah.

Yeah.

Did you enjoy pass blocking? Because we've talked to a lot of offensive linemen that are like, I can't stand pass block. Like, I. I just want to get out in space. I want to hit somebody.

No, I mean, you want to run the ball. I mean, it's just. It makes everything so much easier for O lineman because then it slows the D line and down. They got to think about the run. They're getting chewed out on the sideline for. For getting it shoved up their ass. It's just, you got to run the ball effectively. I think to be. To be a top offense, you got to have some aspect of running the football.

Yeah.

What was. Walk us through the. The play against. Against the 49ers in the playoffs. Where were you lined up for that?

I was out wide at receiver. Me and Tyrone Smith were outside outlier.

I still don't understand that play.

Well, the play. I actually was just talking about this a couple weeks ago. The play was supposed to be like, Zeke snaps the ball and then we do like a hook and ladder, but Zeke's like the. The guy that's going to get the lateral. The lateral. So. But he's kind of hiding at center. No. 1. Oh, we're not thinking of him.

Right.

Well, San Fran just came out and put Greenlaw over top of him and just bull rushed him into the. The play was dead. So a tough way to go out.

Yeah. Was that when. When. When that happened, you're like, oh, man, that was. That was a tough one to watch because we. Everyone was just watching it being like, what is what is happening right now?

Well, that. That was salt on the wound, too, because the Niners had bounced us two years in a row.

Yeah.

Kind of got after us, too, for two years in a row. So that was just kind of a little extra.

Yeah.

Wound on that one.

Yeah.

Can you walk us through the other play against the nine? Was that the one where you tried to clock the ball?

Yeah, I stand by that one because I. I really think we practice that play a lot and we had time. You know, now that we. We coach that play, we talk about how the left guards got to move. Gotta move and give space for the. For the ref to get through.

Yeah.

After that play. But I still think that if. If he didn't get. If he didn't get hit by the. The official, we could have clocked it and had time. I'm not saying we would have won the game, but I think we would have had at least a second on the clock.

Well, those always suck because, like, the game's ending that way. Yeah.

Terrible, right? A playoff game.

Yeah.

Like, that was like one of the years where you think you have a chance and it just. Everything gets ripped out and you're. You're done.

Yeah.

The.

The. I went to the Rose bowl when Wisconsin played Oregon, and we. It ended on Russell Wilson not being able to clock it. It's like, well, that was the most unsatisfying way to end a game ever.

I know. It's like the walk out of the stadium and it's like, damn, just left early.

Yeah. Right, right, right.

We got the. The. The play with Zeke at center.

They see I'm on top.

Okay.

Were you running route?

Yeah. Were you ready to go?

I was kind of like the. We were just kind of like trailing behind, ready for pitches, and then you.

Guys literally just stood up.

All the big guys are just not there.

But look, look, see? Like, we didn't anticipate them. Just bull rushing Zeke thing.

Yeah. Yeah. That one pro. Did it work in practice?

On air, it looked pretty good.

Yeah.

The one flaw in the plan was. Yeah. Our center can't block.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's a problem.

How cool is it coming out of the tunnel at Notre Dame and hitting the sign and, you know, just like, is it as cool because Notre Dame. We. People give shit to Notre Dame because I think there's a jealousy factor. They are. I always love when Notre Dame's in the mix. It makes college football more fun. It does feel like if you are a Notre Dame fan or a Notre Dame player, like, you don't have to explain yourself. It is just special.

It is. And it's just. I took. Two weeks ago, Notre Dame played Boise, and I had a couple teammates that were Boise guys, and they flew up and we went to the game and. And I got to kind of, you know, show them all around, and even they were like, where are we right now?

Yeah.

I mean, like, it's just. You got to be there. You got to experience game day there to give it justice. I mean, it's. It's a special place with a lot of tradition. And I got to take my son there this summer. I took my oldest one day this summer. We rode up, we went around the stadium, and he got to go down, hit the sign. Was pretty cool.

That is awesome.

Yeah.

How cool was that, being a part of a team that went to the national championship at Notre Dame? I feel. I feel like that's special.

Special.

It was. And like, it also kind of, like, turning. I feel like when we were there, we. We kind of turned. Turned it around a little bit. Right. Like Notre Dame, we'd been struggling there for a while. My first year was Weiss's last year, so we were six and six. We didn't go to a bowl game. We're kind of in turmoil. And then to be a part of kind of that rebuild and especially the O line room, you know, we. Notre Dame's got a ton of O line tradition. And we had a coach, Harry, He Stand. I know he's a Chicago guy.

Guy.

He kind of came back and we kind of instilled that tradition back in and it's still going today, which is cool to see.

You've had a lot of great offensive linemen.

Yeah, yeah.

Like Mike McGlinchey, Quentin Nelson, Ronnie Stanley. Yeah, you guys are.

Just. Goes on and tight ends, too. Yeah, I feel like the tight ends are popping.

We had a good thing when. When coach He Stand was at Notre Dame. I think he had like five or six first rounders in like eight years. So we had it. We had a cook in there with him.

Yeah.

I got a question about Charlie Weiss. Big cat.

Yeah.

You know, are you. You don't think the same thing?

Yeah, yeah, no, of course. We have to ask everyone.

Charlie, did you ever get a chance to meet his parrot? His bird?

I never met his parrot, but this. I'm not lying. He texted me yesterday.

Yeah.

About. About South Fuego.

Just like, like, hey, I was thinking about you. Like, hope you and your family are doing well.

That's nice.

Oh, man, that's cool.

He's a good guy. Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, but the stories of. Of his bird that just like free range flies around the house.

Yeah. I never, I never saw the bird. Like, people ask me about Weiss all the time. And that was, it was. I was redshirted that year, too, so I don't even really remember. Like, he was there for maybe four or five months and then. And then was out of there. So I don't even really remember my wife's time all that much. Yeah.

Yeah. When you were, when you're just getting started at Notre Dame, did. Did you have any intention of playing any other position or were you switched your position? You're like, okay, you're going to grow here.

Well, I played. So I've only ever played O line, D line. I've never touched the ball at any level of football. That's how my son plays flag football. And he's like. Was asking me questions. I'm like, buddy, you've touched the ball more than I have.

You've never on a pass.

Never. I was o lineman from third grade.

We asked Joe Thomas this. How many you played 11 years in. In the NFL? How many times do you think you actually touched the football? How many seconds?

Couple random, like, fumble recoveries. I don't know. Live action total of like eight seconds, maybe.

Think about if you ever run with it. You ever pick it up and take a few steps?

Because Joe said that he, he, he guessed year last like 20 seconds. There was one time he picked it up and took like three steps.

Yeah, no, I, I was always jump. Cradle it up, get in the fetal.

Yeah, yeah. Is that crazy hall of Fame career just didn't touch the football.

No. And, and playing guard, too, like, when you play tackle, like, you can kind of hide when you're running, like some of the goal line trick stuff. Like, we had some offensive tackles that caught touchdown passes when I was there. But guard, it's like, if I'm not lining up a guard, it's like, you know, bells and whistles on the defense. Like, why is he not at guard right now?

Yeah, yeah, that would be. It'd be something. I would. If I were in your position, maybe at the end of my career, I'd be like, hey, we got. We got to get me the ball.

Yeah.

Just one time I.

When Kellen was in Dallas, we talked about it a little bit, trying to try to make it work, but it never did.

Oh, yeah. All right. Tough question, but I think I'm gonna phrase it correctly. The, the national championship, when you guys Went and played against Alabama. Obviously, there was the Manta Itario story that year. Do you remember was there a moment in the locker room where someone finally.

Broke the ice about the.

Yeah. Just like, hey, you know, like, we got to make a joke about this.

I actually heard Manti talking about this on something he was doing, but it was when we. For whatever reason, when we were walking out of the tunnel, we ran out of the same tunnel, and we, like, met in the tunnel of the stadium with Alabama. With Alabama, and they ran out first, and, like, we're all standing there and, you know, you got, like, Chance Warmack, DJ Fluker, all these dudes, like, running out with their shirts flipped over, like, you know, so halftime. I mean, it was pretty, like.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was over.

We may be in over our heads.

Yeah. But did anyone ever joke to Manti being like, that was crazy, dude.

Well, that stuff came up after he left.

Oh, I thought it came up, like, right at the end of the season. Oh, yeah, he was.

He was training.

That's right. That's right. Because it was a story at the Heisman. But they. Everyone thought it was real then.

Yeah, everyone thought was real. So it came out, like, maybe a week or two after the national championship game when he was already gone on.

That's right.

Yeah.

But I did see that interview from Manti, who. When he was saying, like, you knew at that moment you were probably.

Yeah. It was, like, different. Like, we're used to, like, playing Purdue and, like, Pittsburgh.

Yeah.

It's like, oh, God.

And that was when Bama was peak.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Just as good as good could be.

They had Lacy, I think, you know, Lacey, he had, like, five carries for 65 yards the first drive. Oh, man, our defense was, like, the best part of our team.

Yeah.

That's like, we knew we were in trouble.

Yeah.

Can we talk a little bit about the Cowboys this year?

Year?

Yeah.

All right. How.

How do you like them?

Because. Right. To me, they're so fun to watch. The offense is amazing. I. I don't think there's any, like, bells or whistles. I. I think that they're just, like, legitimately a top five offense in the NFL. The defense is kind of. I. I want to say hit or miss. Been a lot of miss. Defense hasn't looked great. What do you think the ceiling for this group would be this year?

Well, I agree with you. Offensively, I. I don't think anyone's been better. I'm better than them consistently over. Over the course of the season. I love Williams. Javante Williams. That was a hell of a sign.

Yeah.

Obviously pickins, picking up the slack when CDs out. And really up front, they've. I think they've played. I saw a stat. They played nine guys so far this season up front, and they really haven't skipped a beat. There's three or four guys that have. That have backed up there for a couple years, that have gotten playing time the last couple years, and they stepped in and did a great job. So offensively, it's been. It's been awesome. Right. Defensively, I mean, look, you trade arguably the best defensive player a week before the season, it's not going to be perfect. I think they will get better. I mean, I played for Coach Eberfluss in Dallas my first five years. I know, you know, you guys, you.

Got your feelings there.

But I do know how he coaches, and it's not really about the plays. It's about how you play. And I think he'll get those guys on defense playing the right way and at least be able to, you know, stop some bleeding and win some of.

These games down the stretch, turn around a little bit. I think they could definitely be a playoff team.

I do, too.

Defense up.

The most fun. Watch.

I saw this. I saw this clip the other day of some Cowboys fans talking about. And they're like, honestly, they're the most fun team in the NFL to watch because they have to score every possession.

It's a Big 12.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's. It is a lot of fun. And. And I mean, George Pickens is so much fun.

So good.

He's our favorite. We just, We. We basically. There'll be times in the gambling cave where we'll just. Everyone. There'll be seven games on and be like, everyone stop watching.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because he's that electric and I don't.

Know him at all, but it seems like he. They. They've made him comfortable down there and he really enjoys being in Dallas, so.

Yeah.

And I'm happy for Jake Ferguson. He's having a breakout year.

My guy's going off.

Yeah.

Getting in the end zone. And Ferg, you need to have Fergie on here.

We had him on Wake up barcel for like 10 minutes on Tuesday. But we do have to have.

He's a character.

Yeah. Although I'm like, not. I. I don't think I'm welcome back at Wisconsin right now with some of the things I've said in the last. What are you gonna do? You gotta be on Harry's grandson.

But yeah, you gotta be on.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sugarcoat.

But they are so much fun to watch. It's just. Yeah. Get that defense going.

Yeah.

Yeah. I feel like they, they can't get any worse, right?

Yeah. I mean, defensively, yeah. No. And I'm not. I don't. I'm like. I hate when, like, former players take shots, and I. I don't want to take shots, but it's. It's just objectively, like, they've got to be better on defense. Right.

Well, and also, they lost the best defensive player right before the season. That's gotta. That's gotta take some getting used to. Yeah. Like, even, Even the, the Bears game. Game, like, CD Got hurt in the Bears game. I feel like it's so different because they played well after CD Got hurt, but it's so different than when a guy gets hurt in a game with a game plan versus when you know a guy's not going to be playing.

And it's like the kind of. The little thing. It's like human nature. When a guy like CD Lamb goes out there, there's a little bit that's.

Like, yeah, right, dude. You know your best guys.

Yeah. So. Yeah. But they bounce back the next couple weeks and play great.

Yeah.

As a player on the Cowboys, would there be times after a game when you'd see, like, a Skip. Fail. Bayless. Bayless. Video of him, like, throwing his Dak Prescott jersey into the trash can? You're like, oh, we really. We really messed up, guys.

No, no, I don't, I don't really care about that. But no, to answer your question.

No. What? So you had a nickname, the Butcher, which feels like a bad nickname for an offensive lineman.

That nickname also is not.

It's basketball. Right.

Well, I don't even know. I never was called that. That's on my Wikipedia page. Okay. That's, like, the number one question people ask me.

Yeah. Yeah.

And I'm like, I wasn't aware calling me that someone maybe put it on there.

And because I looked into a little more, and it says, at least says on the Internet that the Butcher was a nickname you got playing basketball in high school. Which. That is very funny, because I would imagine you playing basketball. You played basketball like a football player?

Yeah, you know, I get my fouls out average, you know, 4 and 4 and 10.

Yeah. I mean, I don't think it would be fun to go into the paint with Zach Martin standing there.

No, no. I, I, I had a little game early on. Like, basketball was like, was my sport.

When I was Indiana.

Right?

Yeah.

And then my dad was like, you know, you're six four center. You're not gonna. There's no room for that. So I really dove into football.

Yeah.

Yeah. Did you ever have a nickname?

So my nickname is Gob the Gob. I guess my. My handle for everything. People are like, what? Why? I wish I had a cooler story, but it was honestly my freshman year in high school, playing basketball, practicing against the. The varsity, and one of the seniors said, I look like a goblin. And now everybody in indie, like, parents call me Gob, girls call me Gob. Everyone calls me Gob.

The Gob.

It's a cool nickname.

Yeah, it is a cool nick.

Yeah.

The gob. 70 on Twitter.

Yep.

Yeah.

How are you liking the podcast game? So you got it?

You.

You're doing some podcasting?

Yeah, I'm doing NFL IQ with Cynthia Freeland and. And Logan Ryan. I'm kind of like a recurring guests, I guess. Yeah, it's been cool. Like, I've never really done anything like this. I was pretty low key when I played. I didn't. I didn't really put myself out there much. I just kind of stuck to playing football, and so I thought I'd give it a try, see how. See how it goes.

Yeah. Is it hard to, like, watch the tape and. And criticize players?

I get, like, cringy. Oh, that. Yeah.

Yeah.

I get cringy myself because I. I'm still, like, in this mode where, like, I'm still playing. So sometimes I listen to myself. I'm like, you just sound like you're interview at your locker after.

You can't listen to yourself.

I know.

Don't do it.

I know, but it's been cool. Like, she. Cynthia's great at, like, leading the conversations and queuing you up, and it's been. It's been awesome.

What. So we. We. This is a theme basically every football season. And maybe you can explain it better, but, like, in September, it's just bad football because what we've been told. And you. You might say, this is stupid, but the training camps aren't as hard. It's harder for the offensive line to gel, and it takes some time. Is there any truth in that? And is there a moment that you can point to in every season where you're like, all right, now I feel like we're all on the same page 100%.

It's. I think it's a huge factor, and it's really. And I hate being like, the old guy, being like, we don't Practice hard enough anymore. We don't do this because you know when you're getting older and you're in it, you're like, it's kind of nice. But it really comes down to the reps. The guys aren't getting reps. Live reps, like meaningful reps, not, not jog through or helmet only reps. Like offensive linemen. You, you gotta feel yourself getting in these fits with the guys you're playing next to. You gotta feel a pass rush. And I just think you don't get the consistency of that through training camp anymore just because there's, you got a lot of day, there's days off built in, which rightfully so coaches don't want to get guys hurt. But I do think I've heard, I've talked to guys from around the league and the teams that do hit it hard in training camp, camp, you usually can tell at the beginning of the season who's playing the best and the most physical and look like they're sharp and there's not a lot of pre snap penalties and they usually probably had a tough training camp.

Yeah.

Is there one unit, one offensive line around the league that you think might not be getting as much publicity, but you're like, these guys are doing a great job.

I mean, honestly, I would say Dallas and I mean, I'm being biased, but I just think it's the amount of people they've played. They've. They've played a lot of young guys, a lot of backup guys who've played really well in like they've protected their butts off. Dax been sitting back there and I don't think his sack numbers are very high. And they've been running the ball pretty good. I love watching the Lions play Penn A. Sewell is like my favorite player.

He's an absolute monster down the field.

He's huge. Yeah, like people, he's. I met him at the Pro bowl one year and he's like, he's like 330, but he doesn't look 330.

Right.

So. I love the Lions. I love the Chiefs. They got, you know, Trey Smith and Humphreys. You know, I love watching Lane and you know some of those guys on Philly doing their thing.

But they fall start. You think the Tush push is a false start?

Yeah, I mean, it's clear they've been false starting. Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean they called. What was the game last week, the other team, they called it twice on.

Them for four starts.

Yeah.

Interesting.

No, I'm not, I'm not a Tish push hater. I think it's. I wish that we did the Tish push. I mean, it's pretty sick that you're able to do it and it's. Anyone can do it and they just do it better. I think there's some things they could obviously clean up, but it would be pretty sick to run a play and be like, no one can stop this.

Yeah, I agree.

I think it's. It. It's very clearly a rule change that's being written by haters. Yeah, the haters. Legislators, Losers. Losers. If you. If you can't stop, then I guess your only other option is to try to try to write it out of the game. I think that's. That's wimp behavior. Now, if it is passed, if the rule change passed, I'd be okay with that.

Yeah.

But I'm not going to vote for it.

Like, end division. Guy. Let me.

Guy. I would like to see it out of the game in terms of just for my own rooting interest. But, like, they're just. Any other team is free to try.

Was funny when it got voted on. I think they did a list and it was like, everyone who has to play the Eagles voted.

Did they. Did they show the list?

Yeah, I think it was. It was like, pretty much one for one.

Well, it is like when you get into fourth and one, it's like when you're on the sideline and normally it's like, oh, they're punting here. It's demoralizing. Be like, they're going to. Yeah, they're not going to get it.

You know, automatic max.

Dan Campbell. Only Lions. Only team that play the Eagles this year that voted.

That checks out.

That's.

Yeah, that's man stuff.

Yeah, he, like, couldn't break. He probably was like, I will have to retire if you make.

Yeah.

To ban this play.

Yes. The owner was probably like, dan, you're voting to ban this play?

He's like, we.

I will not do it. You'll have to drag me out of here.

Here's my gun and badge. All right. So I think that one cool thing about how football has evolved and the Internet is people have gotten very. A lot smarter about football. The way we talk about football, a big thing is that all sacks are not on the offensive line. That's got to feel good to finally get that. But what would you say, like, in general, how many sacks in a given season are on the offensive line and how many are on the quarterback?

I don't even think it's all on the quarterback necessarily. I think there's more times than you think that, like, the route concepts get messed up and then that throws the queue off and then someone, Guys get, Someone gets beat late. And I think there's more factors than just quarterback o line.

Right.

I think majority are going to fall in the low line, obviously, and, but those ones are pretty straightforward. Right. When you're watching the game, it's like, oh, yeah, he got beat. Got beat in two and a half seconds. It's a sack. But there's more than you think that I. That stuff breaks down on the back end that they don't talk about.

Yeah, yeah. Because it does feel like we're getting to a smarter place where it's. And also, also, like quarterbacks holding onto the ball too long where it's like, hey, you had a pocket or, or escaping a clean pocket. Like, those things are frustrating.

And that's the thing, I think, too, like, young quarterbacks, that's like the first thing they learn. It's like, oh, I don't have time to, like, sit back here. And I mean, it's got to be. You got three seconds to catch the ball and know where you're going. It's got to get out. Because everything's working together, right?

Yeah, it is.

That's why I love football.

Do you like watching football?

I do. I love watching football. Yep. I, I. Sundays, my son's starting to get into a big time. Like, last year was like, the first year, which kind of sucks is my last year, but it was like the first year he was really into it. So Sundays, like, we print out the slate every week. He circles his, his, his, his winners.

And how's he been doing?

He's been killing it. That's the Send it, dude. He went, can you just straight.

I don't care.

It's just straight.

Pick them still send lines.

He went nine and three.

All right, send it. God damn it. I'll talk to anyone. I'll take pictures.

No spreads, just straight up, Straight up pick ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's got to be a great feeling when he wins game.

Oh, he loves it. Yeah. Or wake up Monday morning, be like, who won the Sunday night game last night?

Yeah, yeah. How'd you tell him about the tie?

He was. That one threw him for a loop. His head was depressing on that one.

He was like, Donovan McNabb. Like, I didn't know you could tie.

Yeah, that one. And that was a late one. The Eastern, that's been like the, my biggest adjustment. Back to indie Is Eastern times sucks.

And you. Yeah. Indy should be in central.

It should. Because. Because it's. I mean, you drive 45 minutes west and it's.

Yeah.

Central. But those game, like that game, that tie game didn't get over to, like, 1 130.

Yeah.

Yeah. The double header on Monday. That was terrible football to watch.

Yeah.

Yeah. With the packers one, though, you get. You could have just been like, yeah, we tied, but we won that tie. Like that. The Cal.

You did?

Oh, yeah. I think if you're looking at. If they're.

I mean.

Yes. With all the. The hype around it and thinking they're going to come in and roll us over and that was. That was a good one.

Yeah. Did you used to ever have to go, like, one on one against Micah during. During practice?

Yeah. Yeah, it sucks.

What was he like?

He's kind of like, I kind of like, they're not the same at all. So don't take this this way. But, like, the ways that Donald could beat you, like, he could beat you with power, speed, explosion, all that stuff. Like, Micah can do that kind of stuff. Like, and he doesn't. He's not like an overly big guy. He doesn't look all jacked up.

Up.

But the guy's just got, like, incredible explosion and strength, and he's another guy. He can just make you look dumb. Like, we'd have practices where you literally couldn't run plays.

Yeah.

You know, or we'd have rule. Like, in training camp, you usually don't have, like, game plan rules. You're just running how the plays put in.

But we.

We would have, like, practice game plan rules for. For Micah going into practice.

That's pretty cool. That is awesome. You that good? That's like, hey, here's a rule against you at what? So when you got drafted, there was obviously a lot of talk because everyone thought the Cowboys were going to draft Johnny Menzel.

Yeah.

Was there a moment that Jerry Jones, like, a year or two in your career, he's like, hey, just want to say I'm sorry. Like, you. You're way better than Johnny, man.

So I don't know if I've ever talked to him, like, about, like, he taught. He mentioned a little bit in, like, my retirement press conference.

Yeah.

Talk to, like, Stephen and all the other scouts. And, like, we had this older scout. He's the Olan gay. His name's Walter, and he used to always be like, I stayed on the table for you, man. I was in there straight.

That's awesome.

So, yeah, we. We it was always a. A little joke around the facility.

Yeah, I'd say they made the right pick.

Yeah, they made. They made the right call.

They made the right pick.

What Jerry say during the. The press conference was he like, you.

Know, he still thinks there's something about.

How he did like, didn't. He actually didn't want to draft Manzel. They just like blew it up in that way. And everyone laughed. I was like, you know, clearly you wanted him.

Yeah. You want him. I. I did call you a bust on your draft night. Did you? Yeah. But that was when I was busting everyone the entire. So I said, Zach Martin's name is not Johnny Manzel bus. Yeah. So I just busted out.

I used that my entire career.

Yeah, There we go. He had it printed out. They called me a bust.

Yeah.

I'm prove them wrong. Yeah. Have you thought about your. What you're going to say in Canton?

Say again?

What are you going to say in Canton? No, you should think about that.

I got.

You got a few years, but you should start thinking about that.

Okay.

Maybe a prop. Maybe a water. What if you smash watermelon?

You seen the mallet we were smashing this thing with? It's like a big wooden. Like I thought the head of this thing was probably that big.

It was like specifically for smash.

Like he told the guy, get me something to smash these watermelon.

Maybe bring like a cake out. You know, like that show. Is it cake? But it's a.

It's a. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Cost of your head. And then you smash that and it's watermelon cake on the inside.

Dude, you should smash a watermelon. That would be the coolest.

I love how like the smallest things are like, are like the biggest.

Well, it's all goes back to gambling for.

Yeah, right.

Because I lost money on that game. If I had the. Well, actually, no, if I had the Cowboys and I known about it, I'd be talking about it in a different way. I'd be like, holy. Remember when I won a bet from smash watermelon? But I just remember the news came out later that week and I was like, of course lost that game.

The information that would have been useful.

They smashed the watermelon. You can't just do that.

This might be a dumb question, but have you had to like, pick up any new hobbies since you retired? Like you had a lot of time to fill now, right?

A lot of time to fill. I mean, the kids, like, we're kind of in the thick of it.

Yeah.

My wife's pregnant. We got three little ones. I played a lot of golf this summer. We talked about that. My wife's family has a lake house, so we're up there a lot of the summer.

It's pretty nice.

Find that trophy. Yeah, we're going to find that trophy.

Oh, the trophy.

Yeah, we're going to find that.

What are we going to do with it when we find it?

Put it in the. Put it in the studio if we find it.

Absolutely.

Hell, yes.

Okay, we're going. Trophy.

Yeah. Stripe in northeast Indiana.

Not.

Not too far from here.

Okay.

Yeah.

Three hours maybe.

We got no problem finding that trophy.

Yeah, we got. Oh, Zach would look great in a Scooby outfit.

Yeah.

Oh, Zach, you could scuba.

If it's to find a trophy, I'm down.

Do whatever. Let's do it. Yeah. Zach, did you have some.

If we're not finding the trophy, you're not down to scuba.

We will scuba with intent to find the trophy. If we don't spine, it'll probably still be a great scuba Dan lake.

Yeah.

Have you ever Scuba Joe?

Not as deep as I would assume that trophy's been. I've done, like, a little snorkeling, but nothing with, like.

That's not scuba.

No.

Never take, never scuba situation.

How heavy is the trophy?

I'm trying to think if you guys.

Have any stuff in here.

Well, could. Could a. A guy like me, could I lift it up?

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Okay, so we could.

This wide.

Maybe we could pick it up off the bottom of the lake and swim up. No problem.

Yeah, we're trying. It's been down there a while, though. We're talking probably eight, nine years it's been down there.

Yeah. This excited.

This is exciting. I'm looking. All right. I'm looking at the trophy. It's not that big. Yeah, no, no, we could definitely find it.

Let me see. Yeah, the same one.

It's got metal on it.

One.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, we could definitely find this trophy.

Okay.

Yeah. I want to find this trophy so bad now. All right, well, this has been awesome. Zach, you're gonna watch football with us tonight. I got one last question. Roback question rho b.com promo code. Take 20% off your first purchase. Q, zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code.

Take.

I asked this for whenever we have offensive lineman on the show, and I. I'm just, you know, it's kind of boring to ask the same question, but I'm always just curious about it. Do you. What. What Play. And if you're on a drive, at what point are you like, we know we got them. Like, they're. They're.

Good question.

Thank you. They're. They're like, dying for air, and we got them.

I would say if we're moving it, like, consistently after, like, I don't know, four, three or four plays, like, when they start, like, they're start already starting to switch in for the backups and they're coming back like. Like we got them on the ropes. You're just waiting for a big one to hit.

That's got to be a great feeling.

Yeah, that is a good feeling.

Just leaning on them.

Just leaning on them. No, we're going to call another, like, the same run play again, and they. They can't do anything.

Did you ever. Did you ever play in a game where you called the same run play?

Like, we did it in. In Pittsburgh to not. Was that last year? The year the. The. The delay game where it was a super late. I think it may have been last year.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

But late in the game, I think we called the same one, like, four or five times in a row.

That's got to be a great feeling.

Where it's just like, hey, you can't stop, like, yelling. Like, it's. It's coming right here. Same play.

Yeah, that's an awesome feeling.

It's great.

Oh, man. Oh, last. Last question. You were present for maybe the greatest Bears quarterbacking performance of all time. How were you in awe of Josh McCown on that Monday Night Football game?

Was that in Chicago? Yeah, I was in awe of him, yes.

Oh, you don't remember. God damn it.

Well, I remember. I remember winning the game.

No, the Bears won one. Maybe this was before you.

Was that the super cold game?

Yes. Very cool.

Year before I got here.

Very. Oh, okay. So. But you were in Austin.

That was 2013.

You were in awe.

I was in. Well, I was in awe just watching. I heard how cold it was.

Yeah, it was. The Bears won that game, 45 to 28. And Josh McCown, I want to say he was 27 for 36, 348, four touchdowns.

That's pretty.

I think. I think that was 2013.

2013. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Did you ever play in a super cold game like that?

We played Chicago the next year, I think on a Thursday night. It was cold. We played Philly one year. It was miserable. I think it was the year they won the super bowl because we were out. We played them the last week of the season. We Were out of it and they were. Already had their stuff locked up, so they weren't even really playing their guys. But we were still playing all of our guys. And it was like, this sucks. 15 with the. The win was whipping through. I remember talking to Chris Long. Like he was out there like the first quarter and he was like, dude, this shit's for the bird. Yeah, it's like, I know. I'm going to. I'm going to Vegas on Thursday.

Would you wear sleeves?

Yeah, I never wore sleeves.

Did anyone on your line ever wear sleeves?

I. I think for that I. That 13 game, the Chicago game, I think guys did because I think it was.

It was very cold. It was like freezing.

Yeah. Zero degrees. I don't think when we were there in the cold games, we didn't ever. We played a rain game in New England one year. I think it was 2019. It was. It was like 40, but it rained the whole game, which is almost worse than if it's like.

Yeah, you know, and you wore sleeves.

No.

Oh, no, I would never.

Yeah, I would judge you. I'd actually say nothing.

No, I would judge myself.

I'd say we should have taken Johnny Manzel.

Wait, so did you ever play with any offensive lineman who ever wore sleeves?

Yeah, some guys wear like the. I guess it's like the new look now, like the loose, loose fitting sleeves.

Yeah.

But it's not to stay warm. Like, that's like their.

That's just a swag.

Yeah. I think Trent Williams might have started that.

Yeah, probably.

And you can't talk to them. You can't.

Goddamn believable.

Yeah.

What about gloves? Would you change your glove color depending on the jerseys of the other team?

So the last couple years we. Mike Solari was our line coach and I never had a line coach that was like this, but he would do it. Like, he would have our. He would have our equipment guys like color our.

Our.

The outside of our gloves. Like we were playing a team that was wearing darker jerseys.

Yeah.

Like, I'd get into the locker room in my glove because I, I would put a new pair of gloves on for the game.

Game.

And like my gloves would be like Sharpie. Like they'd be black.

That's smart.

Smart. Yeah.

They would hand draw.

Yeah, they would just like if we were playing it, you know, Latinos wearing like, like Philly, like dark green. They would just take a black Sharpie and like all the white spots, they would cover it in black Sharpie.

That's really. Yeah.

Yeah. I also feel like offensive linemen like, did you ever throw on a knee brace even though you didn't need one?

No, no, no, no, no, no. That was the best part about coming to the NFL. You didn't have to wear knee braces.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because. Yeah, there are those clunky knee braces.

We would. They would make us. Jerry would get, like, every. Not every year, but every so often. We'd have, like, an injury in training camp, and he'd get pissed, and he would just make all the O lineman and D line and wear knee braces. That was, like. That was the reason we got hurt, you know, like, put the knee braces back on.

Oh, that's so funny. Oh, man. All right, well, Zach, this has been awesome, man. Love having you here. Definitely come back. And like I said, it was. It was very cool when we met you at the super bowl, and you're like, yeah, I'm a listener. I was like, holy.

I may be a. I may be a day one.

Listen, you're nine times. Is.

Was Chris Long your first interview?

He was our second. I wanted.

Okay, that was the first episode. The first episode might have been first. He might have been flawed.

Okay.

That may have been the first, because I. I followed you guys before PMT and all that. So when you guys started that, I was on it.

That's awesome.

It was like, 2015, maybe.

All right, well, we'll. We might have to have you write a little something in the book, because we're trying to write a book, and it's. It's. It's hard to write a book. So you're gonna just.

Just write us a thanks for writing the different times. I chuckle in my car by myself.

Yeah, yeah. Just be like, yeah. Zack Martin's favorite times that they made a joke.

Yeah. You go into the parking lot, and we're talking about Dak, and you just turn the volume all the way.

Yeah, yeah.

Before you pull up next to him.

Yeah. Or maybe it's just, like, we don't even have to say what lake it is because we don't want people showing up to the lake, but maybe it's just a diagram of a lake. Lake. You know, hypothetical lake, and just you just saying where you think it might be, and that would just be a.

Whole page treasure map.

I know where it's at.

Okay. All right, so we'll do that. We'll do that. All right, well, Zach, thanks so much, man.

I appreciate it. Guys.

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We got fire fest of the week. Henry, would you like to start us off? By the way, reminder Stow blue coffee ready to drink cans. I talked about getting in the show. So good.

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Yes.

I mean, fire fest.

We talked about the ant fire fest and just kind of like the.

The fire ant.

The vibe. Yeah, the vibe. Vibe of that match. Which I don't really. I, I would do it again. Probably will do it again.

You would him again.

I didn't even.

Yeah, I just.

You were so confident that you had his score, right?

Do you think I was a liar?

I honestly, what it was was that I was just so far back on that whole strokes wise that I couldn't fathom like I was kind of. It was denial.

Yeah.

I didn't think you were a liar. I was just in denial about my own.

Yeah. Stats, whatever you have on a whole, you assume that the other person can't be that, that much better than you.

Yeah, it was more. Yeah, I just. Yeah, that was, it was denial. I apologize and I apologize again. But it is more just a fire fest that it. This week was the, the realization. It all set in like winter's here. It's, it's over.

It's still fall.

The, the clocks are turning back this weekend. Like it's already getting dark early. That's what's tough is when it gets dark at six and you're like, we haven't changed. The clocks are turning back. And next week it's gonna be five.

Yeah.

And it's, it's just cold. Like there was, you know, a couple days where it was like we got out of work late afternoon where, you know, if it was nice weather, it's like, oh, maybe shoot up, play a quick nine holes. Like it was too cold to do that. It was like, yeah, I don't want to play golf because it's 40 and windy and rain rainy and it's not going to get warmer.

Yeah.

For months.

Yeah.

And it's going to get darker earlier and it.

Damn, dude, sucks.

I heard from, I think this guy was a meteorologist, he said that Chicago might supposed to be having the coldest winter of all time.

Yeah. Last 30 years.

In the last 30 years.

Yeah.

Mincy said that.

Mincy said that. He tweeted that. He's like, someone just told me that Chicago's gonna have the coldest winter in the last 30 years.

This winter.

I saw a tick tock on the same thing.

Yeah, it's. They just, there's like a air mass or something and they try to, they always predict this vortex. Just, just look at, look at a squirrel's tail. If it's a bushy tail, it's going to be cold.

I go by the caterpillars. The size of the caterpillars.

Yeah. So, yeah, it's just, it's depressing. I'm sorry.

Yeah.

We should do Snowbird as a podcast.

We really should.

That's a good idea.

We are going on spring break.

Really good idea. South Padre island.

We'Re going spring break.

I kind of like the idea. I'm talking about just wintering in.

We're going to Arizona in March.

We've talked about, we have talked about this.

I don't know why we're talking about Scott Sale.

Yep.

But, yeah, we've talked about it.

Right.

Yeah.

Why don't we just take the pod to Hawaii down?

Live in Hawaii?

Yeah. Be done recording the show at like, like.

No, just, like, just when it gets cold here.

Yeah. 10:00am.

You guys want to move to Hawaii Just.

Just for the. Just for the cold months. They got football. H. It would be so hard.

No, they got football over there.

It be so hard for you to figure out time zones.

Oh, time zones.

I'd be dead.

That London game would be on at like 2 in the morning.

Yeah. Maybe even earlier.

We could all just go with my method and just pretend like it doesn't exist.

No, I'm not going to do.

Do that. Yeah, me neither.

Yeah, I would maybe move to Hawaii if Hank, we. We have to move back. If Hank misses one second of a London game.

I'd be locked in.

Then.

Like you fall asleep for even a second, boom. Pack the bags, U Haul.

I'd make that. I make that trade.

Okay.

Be worth it.

It would be so worth worth it.

Surf so much.

You wouldn't surf. There's no chance. You'd surf.

You'll be always golfing.

I'd body surf so much.

You'd body surf so much. Body surfing would rock. Okay, so that was your firefighters bumming us all out.

Yeah. Okay. I've been bummed out this week, so I figured.

Yeah.

Might as well just pass it off to us.

Yeah.

There's nothing to do with the fact that pft embarrassed you on the.

Well, that.

I mean, that's part of it. We. We already did talk about that. And that's like going to be the last thing kind of thing that I have to think about for the winter. It's just my performance in that. In that match.

So the match isn't over. It's not part two that's coming out.

There is part two, and part two's part two.

It gets wild.

It gets wild. There was some fight. I'm proud of the fight, but it's just gonna be a long winter.

I mean, I shot a 40. It's tough to beat a 42.

You can't say winter yet. It's like 50 degrees outside.

Yeah, but the coldest winter ever. It's cold.

It is.

Yeah. It's gonna suck, right?

This is bad vibes.

He's ping me out.

Wait, what's the name of the segment?

Fire Fest. Okay, got it.

Yeah.

Sorry.

You're doing Ice Fest.

You want good vibes. Like what? My bad. You're right.

You're right.

You're right, Max.

Normally it's a personal fire fest.

Yeah, he's just bumming everyone.

This is personal.

This is.

It's been. This has. This has been my week. This week is like. Cuz even when it's like we. Even when I can't golf, I like walking outside and being like, oh, it'd be nice to golf right now. Like, it's nice to be outside and be like, oh, like, this is like someone out there is enjoying a nice. A nice round.

I'm looking at this, and that makes me feel good. 15 days and it's 55 every day. That's incredible weather, Max. Dude, fall weather. 55 is awesome.

It is good.

That's great golf weather.

You can golf in 50.

You can absolutely golf.

Oh, no.

I just broke my keychain too.

Like, obviously winter's coming, but you can't say winter's here in October, which is like 55 degrees.

And the. And the. What about the light?

The clock. The clock's changing on Saturday.

That is an issue. That's an issue. I agree with the early, early sunset. I don't like leaving work when it's dark outside.

55 is awesome weather.

It is, Hank. You know what I'm gonna do?

What?

I. I'm gonna take you golfing.

Okay.

Next week.

Yeah.

And I'm gonna show you. It's not done yet. Show some fight.

All right, fine.

Be a man, dude.

Fight.

You gotta rage against this winner with everything that you're worth.

Do you want to maybe, like, pretend you're gonna dunk again so you have something to work for? For? Nah. Okay. What? Pretend you're gonna need a six pack.

I don't know.

I can do that. I'm on. I'm on the. I'm on the right path.

Okay. For a six pack.

Yeah. Work it out.

When's that coming?

I. I don't want to set a date.

Okay.

That's smart.

All right. Pft. Your fire fest.

I mean, in that same video that. That Hank has been talking about, the video, I. I noticed I am definitely looking fat these days. Got my physical a couple weeks ago. Go pretty heavy right now. Hank, if you want. If you want to mentor me and get me in shape, if that's a project, get me jacked again. Make. Pft. Jacked again. I'm.

I, I.

There were a couple video, like, angles in the video that I saw. I was like, that is. It's time. It's time to call it.

You want to do some, like, it's not really jacked. It's more like mobility, but, like, if we can do some golf, I want to do some golf, you know?

Yeah, we'll play. Yeah, let's play golf Specific.

No golf specific workouts. Like off season, season.

Okay.

I actually would like to get jacked.

Okay.

Because I. My fire fest is similar that I've, I've been noticing, like, this is the part of the football season where my body starts to break down.

Yeah.

And like, I don't sleep, but I've also been noticing I haven't been sleeping, but, like, my body, my brain is tired, but my body isn't. I need to find a way to, like, lift a couple times a week.

Because when your body has energy, your brain has energy, Right? Yeah.

Where I'll just notice. I just feel like. And I feel like I am, am. I feel like I might be at my weakest right now.

I, I, I pre. Regret saying this. I shouldn't say it. I shouldn't say this.

What?

We want to get jacked.

The ice cream machine is not helping.

No, that's up.

The ice cream. The ice cream machine is not. Zach, let's be honest.

You have some self control, buddy.

I put 90 of my recent weight gain on the ice cream.

All right? If you want to blame it, that's fine.

We all say things we don't mean, right?

Self control.

That's why I said I shouldn't say it. But.

You know what you could do? I skip lunch and then have ice cream.

I've started to do that.

Yeah. That's just, you know, you just got to count. I count my calories in ice cream.

Only because my, my normal diet around this time of year, every year, it's. It's S's. I only eat soup, salad, smoothies.

You always say that, but now I got ice cream. It's just dessert soup.

Sundays.

Sundays.

What about, like, yeah, the wings and pizza we get on, on.

That's, that's during football. That's international waters.

We literally, before we started recording, Max was like, donnie's making us brisket sandwiches for dinner.

Prime rib.

Prime rib. Yeah. You were like, yeah.

He'S getting the deli slicer.

Oh, man. All right, let me revise what my diet. Usually it. Salad, soups, and smoothies for lunch.

Usually.

Yeah.

You just gotta skip lunch. That's an S. I go, breakfast, ice cream, dinner.

Yeah.

And then ice cream. Yeah.

The problem is when I have the smoothies, then I'm like, well, I didn't have lunch. I can basically have ice cream.

Yeah.

You skip breakfast. You just eat lunch at breakfast times fact. Like, yes, your 10:00am meals are.

Yeah, they're lunch, but they're not. But I don't do breakfast.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I brunch.

I brunch every day. I brunch every day. I have like a burrito at 9:30 in the morning.

Yeah.

And I don't eat again till like 8pm at night.

My real fire fest, though, is I am going to Kansas City in Arrowhead.

Yeah.

I've committed to it. I'm gonna go. It would. It would be a move on my part if I didn't go.

You ain't no.

I ain't no. One thing about me ain't no.

Nope.

Ain't no in this seat. So I'm going to Arrowhead and I'm going to bring back a cover much like I went to.

There we go.

I went to Qatar on a mission to bring back a draw against England in the World Cup. Promises made, promises delivered. We won that tie. We are going to win the. Out of this cover against the Chiefs. 12 and a half points is a lot of points. I don't know how we're going to do it. I don't know what defense we're going to be running. I don't know if the same guys are going to be at the. It's. I'm going to make it happen.

Yeah.

So I'm not backing out of a trip, but I'm also not looking forward to the trip.

No.

Yeah, that's.

Yeah.

Especially.

What time's your flight on Monday?

Flight on Monday is like two. Okay. It's not bad. And then the flight back, that's going to be the early one.

That's gonna be a tough one.

That's gonna be a tough one because to watch that game, I'm gonna have to drink some beer.

Yeah, you have to.

Have to drink beer. It's a must.

What if you guys just win?

You never know. Listen, I'm on. I'm on money line already. Yeah.

Let's just win.

I believe then it went only two and a half points.

Just do it.

Yeah. I might just win. Yeah, I think I'll just win.

All right. Yeah. My fire versus my body's break. I mean, this just happens every year right around here where it's just like I've. I haven't slept. I. I got just bad sleep. And my daughter's decided to just come in every night scared because of Halloween season. Halloween. I like Halloween, but it sucks sometimes because they like, see ghosts and all the Time. And it's just always in their head and they talk about it right before they go to bed. And then 4am I saw a ghost.

You got decorations up?

Yeah, yeah. Lights.

You got skeleton.

No skeleton. We got spiders. Lights like pumpkins. Yeah, we do it right.

It's fast.

Yeah, we do it right.

I saw at Costco the other day they have obviously the giant skeleton that we've all seen, but there's a bigger skeleton this year. Oh, it's like three times the size of the giant skeleton.

Might have to get that.

I was thinking about picking it up and just. Should we just assemble it like inside the gym and not tell anybody?

Have to do it.

Growing up, my family had like a 10 foot like statue of Frankenstein. Like a. Like it's not inflatable. Just like a real deal statue. Statue of Frankenstein. And my mom would only put it out for, for Halloween night and would chain it to a tree because she was so scared that someone would.

Would come one night. One night.

She was way too scared that it.

Was gonna get stolen.

So it was just one night and it was chained a tree. Just so just for Halloween.

I mean, it's Philly. They'll steal anything there.

Yeah.

Rip Hitchbot.

Hitchbot dude. Have you seen the robots, by the way?

Yeah, I want to hitchbot them.

I do too.

Me too.

And the worst part about those is I'll see a robot and then I'll tell. Like I'll be in the car and be like, kids, look a robot. And then they'll just be like, where's the next robot? Like, I don't know where the robots are, but I want to see a robot. I want to see a robot.

It's like I can't.

I can't predict when we're gonna see another robot. Becomes robot time. I know, I made the mistake. Now all we do is talk about, let's go find a robot. I'm like, it's some idiot who just like is ordering their Thai food. Y just shut up about the robots.

I hate those robots.

Yeah, we should them up.

You know what? Maybe next iteration of the car stick is just a giant magnet. And if you see a robot rolling around, just go and put the magnet on it.

I do like those seeing the robot. Like, have you seen the robot get bodied trying across the street.

Yeah.

For it. That's awesome.

Yeah, it is.

Cuz like cars won't stop for it. So it just keeps like stopping and starting because they censor it. Yeah, it's awesome. Just like you robot, you're stuck here forever, idiot. Yeah, let's up one of those robots.

Yeah, I hate those.

They probably have cameras on it and shit. All right, Zach, what's your fire fest?

My fairfest of the week is. I know nobody cares about your fantasy team, but my firefest this week is that I keep opening up the fan. The. The. The app I use for fantasy football because I was dropped. I. I was canned midweek last week by some. What some are saying is maybe a corrupt commissioner. I was kicked from the league.

You got booted.

I got booted, banhammer.

By who?

What league?

Just a league that I'm in with some guys I know back home, and they're saying the commissioner might be corrupt. I don't know if he is, but I got canned midweek.

Not good. What did you do?

They're saying. I guess what the committee is saying is I did. I didn't set my lineup correctly. But what happened was I got got. We played Thursday, game went through, and then I got got by an injury status change. And they were. And he's just like, sorry, had to drop you. And because you didn't set the lineup how you should have set the lineup.

Who was it who got injured?

Off the top of my head. Don't remember. I'm trying to blank it out. I'm trying to, like, push it away.

What the fuck?

I just want to say that ain't right.

So you had every intention of starting players that were. That were playing, but you're saying one of the guys was not playing?

Yes. This corrupt commissioner also had the audacity to say after I was banished from the league, to then reset the lineup for the next guy up and say, this is how any rational person would have set the lineup. And I just want to say, who are you to tell somebody else how to run their programs?

A rational person? That's such a subjective thing.

What happened. What happened to your team?

Couldn't agree more. I would. Am currently in my team. Would just. They just filled the slot with a new guy, gave him the team.

That's crazy.

Insane. I was currently in 8th place. The commissioner, coincidentally 7th place. I also want to say commissioner coincidentally. First guy to make trades with the team.

Wow.

He installed a puppet.

And how. Tell me the backstory of this team real quick. These are guys, you know?

These are guys that I know.

How long have you been in this league?

This is my first year in the league because some other dude dropped out of the league. And I was like, okay, I'm down to get in the league.

I'VE never heard this before. You can't just drop. Drop someone mid season. You could be. Not invited back and then retroactively set.

The lead, set the lineup for the next guy after the slate had already started. Like, well, let's just.

Let's backpedal and what did you make a mistake with?

I had it. I had an injury status change.

What do you mean?

And I didn't, like, I don't have auto substitutions on.

Yeah.

Like manual. And then a guy went from, like, questionable to out, and then the game started.

Oh, that's not your fault.

I.

We're.

We're on the same page, dude.

I've done way worse. I had a week this year that I. I didn't start a quarterback, and it's two quarterback league because. But that was also. My hands were tied. I had a. I had a bye week and an injury, and I was like, I don't. There's no one I can pick up.

But this commissioner, he just. He just wanted to get his. His, like, puppet regime so that he could control them, and now they're just like a branch of his team.

I agree.

I believe one of the first trades that my previous team made was he got to pick up Matthew Stafford for like a fourth round pick, and that comes up in a couple years.

Yeah. So. Hey, Zach. Oh, this is like a keeper league.

Say the guy's name, but we'll bleep it. Which.

I'll just go first.

Name.

His name is Jacob.

Fuck Jacob. Wait, it's not our Jacob.

No, no.

Jacob. Jacob.

Some are saying corrupt commissioner. I'm not saying it, but some are saying.

Saying it.

I'm keeping the name, man.

Yeah. Oh, no. I was never gonna believe it. No.

Weird.

Max. We were never gonna bleep it.

Now, were there, like, bylaws, Were there rules of this team that were written in the app? Like, when you look at the team, the. The league setup, does it say, like, hey, we'll kick you out of the league if you don't. If you miss setting your lineup one week by one player.

Oh, no. It was just explained to me that the. The league made a decision. He's like, everyone in the league said, you got to be out. So then I did a crowd. I resourced and was like, I'm gonna just hit everyone that's in the league.

Yeah.

One to one. Like, hey, did you. Did you vote for this? And like, no, we didn't vote for this.

Yeah. Oh, Snake.

Snake up.

Add memes to the text group. Let me just let. No Add Jerry o'. Connell. Let Jerry go crazy. Yeah. He'll him up.

He will.

Dude, this is bullshit. I want to green. I want to. I want to do something already.

Can we jump over physical violence?

Yeah.

I'm not weak. I can't.

We'll do.

We'll figure something out.

I mean, Hank's dealt with commissioners before.

Yeah, that is true. Himself to his front porch. Yo, this is.

Yeah, that's.

I hate this guy.

So we're saying that guy. I'm not saying corrupt.

Oh, no, he's a piece of.

Yeah, no, he's a. He's Snake up.

Yeah.

Bad dude. He's got scales. He's got a forked tongue.

He's a.

We're on the new teams. Yeah, but you're not next year.

Yeah. Out of fantasy football.

Yeah, I just. I just. I keep clicking the app at, like, muscle memory, and I'm like, oh, yeah. Banned. Banished.

I'm. I'm like, I'm flabbergasted.

I, I.

This is. This is. There needs to be a court system.

There's some, like, jealousy going on here.

Yeah. We need to, like, put this guy in jail.

Fantasy football.

You know what?

They.

They did you a favor, though. It's like, if you fire a coach early on, you've got all the time to look for new jobs. Now you've got you. You're gonna have your pick of leagues for next year.

That is true. Tons of time to try to get into a different situation.

Yep.

Absolutely.

It's crazy.

Also, this weekend, Friday, Iowa City, Jacob and Zach, the Cream team, are driving. They're being the roadies again for Pup Punk. So we're going to be at El Rey Friday night. I think we go on at, like, 10 or 11, but it's a free show, so come out. See, boys. Tell Zach. You say, what's up, Zach? If you see boobs, let me know.

I can do that for you. I got you.

It's the Flash Zach party.

Nice.

We're just gonna make sure all that equipment gets there. Safe for apft. Everybody comes to Pop Punk. It's a great show. These guys are awesome.

There's a really awesome riverboat casino in Dubuque, Iowa.

Maybe.

Maybe the Cream Team stops there.

Oh, I like that.

That could be a great time.

Yeah.

Diamond Joe's, I want to say. It's called. Hopefully it's still in service.

All right.

Good show, boys. Good luck to everyone this weekend. Changing the clocks, Hank. Buming you out?

It's an alarm.

I just can't get the out of my head. I really.

It was a great movie.

I can't. His face. Yeah. Diamond Joe Casino.

Still there.

Let's go.

Sweet. Okay.

Number three.

I think that's me.

I think I got pft.

Yeah.

If PFT gets it, I'm smashing this computer.

Okay.

Smashing it. Me, smashing it. Very mad at me today.

Smashing it. Okay. Why are you mad?

Because I was mean to the Jets? Would you say I don't. We did the show.

Yeah.

Whatever we said earlier on the show.

It'S low hanging from fruit. Only fruit he could grab.

We owe. That's good banger.

That was a banger. Yeah, it was. Damn. All right. Is it. Does PFT have three?

I guess.

All right. 33.

22.

77.

Memes.

You know what?

You can have three.

No, no.

Let's let fate decide it. Okay, memes, what's your number? 100.

Ooh, ballsy.

99.