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Hey football guy.

Patino award in my day.

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Barn on my tape. Yeah barn and Mike taping. Welcome to part of my take presented by DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Friday, November 7th and we got some bad Thursday Night Football boys. PFT. I have one question for you. Are you still a believer? He stunk.

I'm a believer. But the BO wins football games. This is why we've been saying that he is Tim Tebow. You can give him all the credit in the world for this. And it was. That was a dog football game. The NFL should send us a thank you card for watching it. We're gonna keep consuming that garbage. It doesn't matter. I. I don't think that there's any two team combination that could roll out there on a Thursday night where I wouldn't actually tune in and watch. But I did wish for a moment that the YouTube TV was also blocking prime video. I thought that would have been. That would have been nice, I think. But BO Nicks tonight was so bad. So bad. There was one particularly. It was a really egregious sequence. I forget if it was in the second or third quarter. It was around halftime. But they picked off Geno Smith in plus territory. Then the Broncos go three and out punt. Then they force a three and out from the Raiders and block that punt. Then get the ball at like the 10 yard line and then they go three now and kick a field goal.

Yeah. And that. That's what tonight was. That. That was the offensive explosion. And ironically, if you thought it was going to be a punt fest, I. In the first half, AJ Cole was dominant as a punter. Two coffee corner punts inside the 1. And. And the Bronx sucks.

Yeah. Yeah. He was getting booed.

Learned something.

They're doing the punter.

They were booing the whole team even though they were winning. Which I, I don't blame them for. We're going to talk about windmills later on in today's episode, but I I learned something tonight. I learned a fact about wind because in the first quarter, the wind was blowing so strong and the ball was like rolling around on the field. The referee had to come in, like, re spot the ball. Did you know that at altitude, mile high, the wind doesn't have as much of an effect because the air is so thin? So if it's blowing 20 miles an hour, 20 miles an hour in Denver is like 25 miles an hour down at sea level. So just something to remember in the future.

That is, It's a good, good thing to remember. I don't want to remember anything from this game. The Raiders are just dog shit. They had one drive where you're like, oh, the Raiders are live tonight. They had the graphic at the end of the game. The Raiders had one interception, one punt blocked, nine penalties, one missed field goal, one touchdown negated by a penalty. And while they were showing that graphic, they kept it on there for a very long time, almost a, like really rubbing it in. They were just showing. Everyone sat on the sideline, Gino got hurt. And the Raiders are so bad, they're like, we just got to make sure he, he's like 30% and we'll keep playing him and the game. To me, the perfect encapsulation was when the Broncos, it was third quarter on like maybe the 40 yard line, the Raiders 40 yard line, they had a third and one. It was like third and maybe like six inches and they decided to do a trick play pass backwards that almost was a fumble and then ended up being a sack and it was the most. What the fuck are we doing right now?

What are you doing, Sean Payton? What are you like, just run the. You have third and one in a game that the Raiders cannot score. Just run the ball right in their face twice. And if you don't get it, guess what? The Raiders cannot score. So it doesn't really matter. And it was just. The whole thing was just a debacle. Like, I, I don't remember seeing two pretty makeable kicks missed in Mile High. Like, it were like it was tonight. It was just.

Yeah.

This is what happens later in the season. Thursday night football becomes a slog. Especially division games where teams know each other. I don't know how much longer Pete Carroll will do this. It doesn't seem like he's having fun.

I, I would agree, and I, I'm starting to agree with Hank. I don't know how much competitive advantage Tom Brady could possibly be getting if that's what the end result of it looks like.

Tonight. Yeah.

And you could actually make the argument that the Raiders maybe outplayed the Broncos.

Yeah.

Because in the first half there were two drives back to back drives for the Raiders. One knocked them out of field goal range on a penalty. One knocked them out of field goal range on just a stupid sack by Geno Smith. Take a stupid sack on that, they could have easily had six more points. Hypothetically, at least three more points. Let's just say that. That the kicker misses one of those two. Now that I think about. I don't think either team outplayed the other team. I think they were both equally bad tonight. Bo, Nick, sometimes when he drops back and he just chucks it, he is. He looks like he's playing.500, the most of any NFL quarterback I've ever seen.

Yeah. Yeah. The total yards, by the way, in this game, total yards were just over 400 total for both teams. So both teams were under two or. The Broncos had 220. The Raiders had 188. It was. Both had 10 first downs. Yeah, they. I'm looking at the stats right now. It was, you know, six first passing first downs to five, four rushing first downs to five. Like they were. They were both just shitty. And it was. It was a tough watch. 22 penalties total. And the bonix is. I will say this. Bo Nix's interceptions weren't really his fault.

No, they weren't.

Well, no, the first one. Yeah, the first one was. Second one was his fault. The first one was.

The first one was the 500 throw where he drops back and he throws it as high as he can and under throws his receiver by about 7 yards to the point where the receiver, a cornerback and a safety all turn around, get their hips squared to the ball, retreat three yards, and then jump in the air to try to make a catch. Yeah, that's. That seems to be what Bo likes to do. And I think we were all waiting for him to just turn it on in the fourth quarter because the Broncos offense is so much different in the fourth quarter than it has been for the previous three quarters. It just never happened. It was just. They built the entire game out of the first quarter.

Yeah. So. All right. That was Thursday Night Football. I'm mad at ourselves for waiting to record the beginning of it. We should have been. We love. We love the awl so much. We had to. We. We always stay up for Thursday Night Football. I'm mad at myself right now. I think the Awls are mad at us. They're like, why did we do eight Minutes on. What the. We just watched. Just prolong the game. It was a little overtime from a shitty game. Got it. I was. When the Raiders were lining up for that kick, I was like, if this game goes to overtime, it was reminding, you know, reminiscent of the Broncos Colts game, the Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan game a few years ago.

It was.

It was just so.

It was. I would have liked Al to get a little bit more upset during this game. He. He usually re. Reserves his anger for the referees now on Thursday night where he'll just be like, yep, well, I could have told you there was going to be a penalty before they snap the ball. My.

My theory, too, on Al is that it just depends on how long of a flight he had to take. So when he's, like, at a Chargers. The Chargers playing the Vikings, which was a blowout. He was pretty happy tonight. Broncos, like Denver to LA is not that long of a flight. If he has to call next week. Jets, Patriots. We're going to get a surly, surly Al Michaels because he's got to go cross country. He's going to be pissed off. That's a fact.

I do like it. It's. It's cathartic for. For us to listen to because we're thinking the same things as Al. So I'm glad that he's reached the point in his career where sometimes he just doesn't give a. And he'll be like, this game. This game stinks, guys.

I'm sorry. They actually. They actually need to do that for, like, they. They should have a second set of announcers for when a game goes really shitty that you can roll in that are just. It's like, you know what? The way this game's going, we're bringing in the hater crew and they just start shitting on everything. We should. That should be something we opt into.

I think we'd be pretty good at that role.

Yeah, we'll just sit in our studio, be like, hey, just. Just call us when the game's going really bad. We'll just. Just hop on and we'll just be the hater crew.

Yeah, I like that idea. I like it a lot.

Yeah. Okay. We're gonna kick it to ourselves back in studio. We're gonna have more fun because we actually have week 10 to talk about. Talk some windmills, talk some Jerry O'. Connell. Have. Have Chris Long on the podcast. Great podcast. Back to ourselves. Okay, before we get to the weekend preview, DraftKings, NFL fans, what's your favorite touchdown? There's over 100 years of TDs to pick from. For me, it's the next one. Because with DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner, the NFL, every touchdown could bring you closer to cashing in. DraftKings Sportsbook delivers the unmatched intensity of the NFL right to your fingertips. From first touchdown score to any time. TD props or the thrill of live in game betting, every snap is loaded with opportunity. Boys, we got to win one. Did we get shut out? Well, Luke got hurt. Let's see.

Luke got hurt. That was early exit Mahomes, didn't throw any touchdowns. I'm Kelsey.

Yeah, yeah.

And then shut up. Who was the third?

I can't even remember.

We scored one.

It was bad.

Was it Puka?

Yeah. No, Puka didn't score. Remember?

He.

He almost scored like beginning of the game.

I think he did.

I thought Puka did score. He scored later.

He did score. Okay.

Either way, we're. We're bad right now.

So we.

We gotta. We gotta come up with something good. We gotta come up with something good.

We.

We'll have that later on in the show.

Luke would have scored.

Luke would have the record. That was the Luke night.

And they were trying to. Travis should have scored.

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That's. Yeah, it's really nice.

That's nice. We have back. We're back to the morning games. We have a Germany game and we'll start there with the Falcons and the Colts in Berlin or Munich.

Berlin. Berlin. And the Colts are hosting.

Yeah.

They're the home team this weekend.

Colts are the home team. Very important. Colts are minus six and a half over. Under is 48 and a half. The Falcons got to win one of these desperate games. I don't know if it's going to be this one.

I'm just pumped to see Sauce Gardner in that uniform.

Yeah.

So that's. This has got to be a crazy week for him. So he gets traded and then he flies over to Germany on Thursday night and he hangs out with the team for like, the first. It's going to be like an unrealist expectation for that relationship moving forward. It's like the first week of your relationship is on vacation somewhere.

Yeah.

But I think that he's exactly what the Colts need in terms of, like, a football player.

Yeah. Raheem Morris said he hopefully doesn't have a passport.

That would be nice.

A fun little coach joke.

Do you remember season one year one of part of my take, we kept diving into whether or not teams had passport yet. That's right where everyone has to get a passport.

We should ask Chris Long that.

The second you get to the NFL, make sure you have your passport. Now. Every team needs it. Not the Jaguars.

Yeah. This will also be Raheem Morris's first time coaching overseas without a quarterback named Josh.

That's a fun stat.

So he lost in 2011 with Josh Freeman, lost in 2009 with Josh Johnson.

Okay.

So will he be prepared to play without a Josh Josh list? Yeah. Although he's 0 and 2. He's. He's 2 times 2. Josh's own 2.

So not a Josh Merchant.

Not. No, the opposite. Maybe he needs to rid himself from Josh to have a chance.

All right, finally, Josh free. See if he can get one. I like the Colts in this one.

Yeah, I mean, I think the bounce back for the Colts is going to be high. They're a very good team. We talked Chris long about it in a minute. Like adding someone like Sauce Gardner at the deadline, it gives you the pump up of like, we're going for it. I do have one thing I wanted to throw out to you guys, and I'm. I'm going to say this right now. I don't, I don't believe it. But I was just looking at it. Okay. I was just looking at it and it's the odds to win the AFC south, obviously. The Colts are very, very good. They're 7 and 2. The Jaguars are 5 and 3. Yeah, the Jaguars are plus 310 right now. And I say that because if you've looked at the cold schedule, it's not easy. Yeah, I'm in pretty tough schedule. So I broke it down. The Colts are playing the Falcons this week. I think that's probably a win. Then they have the Chiefs, Texans, Jaguars, Seahawks, 49ers. Back to back is tough. And then finish again with the Jaguars and Texans. This all comes down to my theory, is this. The Jaguars actually control their own destiny.

If they could somehow beat the Colts twice, they will win the AFC South.

Yeah, that counts. Yeah, it counts as control your own destiny.

Yeah. Like if you look at. And then. And then on the other side, the Jaguars schedule is a lot easier. They played the Texans this week. Then they have the Chargers, which is a tough game. Then the Cardinals, Titans, they also have the jets in there and they have the Titans again. So they still have two more games. They have. They have four games against the Titans. Jets or Cardinals sound a little bit.

Like Prisco right now.

I'm just saying, if you look at.

The Jaguars schedule, I don't, I don't.

I don't think the Jaguars are better than the Colts. I just want that on the record. I'm just saying if you're looking for value, the Colts have a difficult schedule and the Jaguars have a easier schedule and they play twice. And if the Jaguars can somehow beat the Colts twice, that would erase the lead that had. That exists right now.

Yeah.

And then you're just going on the, the rest of the schedule and the Jaguars have an easier schedule.

I, I get that's a very logical argument for the Jacksonville Jag. I. I just think that the Colts are much better team.

I'm. I'm Hank, Are you betting it?

Yeah, I just did.

Oh, okay. I. I couldn't bring myself to bet it. I was just more doing a thought starter like hey who's. Who's maybe got a little value going into to halfway part point of the season.

What is. What's Trevor Lawrence's record as a starter in November and December? I would want to look that up. Probably not good because I don't think it's very good.

No, I don't think his record as a starter period is very good because remember he started with Urban Meyer and went to in 14 or whatever.

That is true. But when they've stacked wins it's usually been early on in the year.

Yeah.

For the Jaguars and faded a little. Yeah.

By the way, here's a stat for you. Teams coming off a straight up loss as a favorite before an international game are 15 and 9 against the spread including 2 and oh against the spread this season. Just an interesting like hey if you were a favorite and then you lost usually have a nice bounce back game.

Yep.

Just one of those angles that we always look for. Like you're. If you're. If you've got a big game coming up, you don't want the team that's a favorite to. To lose that week.

Yep.

That kind of thing.

Interesting angle to get.

It's just an angle that has some stats to back it up.

Yep. Can you repeat that stat? I don't know if.

Yeah. Teams coming off a straight up loss as a favorite before an international series game are 159 against the spread, including 2 and 0 against spread this season.

That's pretty crazy.

Yeah. So like if you're a favorite and you lose a game you're going to probably have a. A real say international. But that's just.

What do you mean neutral site. Yeah. So you said international International series neutral site.

But it's. It's team coming off a. A loss straight up loss as a.

International favorite before an international series.

Yeah. Then they get a little.

What? It's just one interesting data point. Like it's. It's that the entire.

About data points.

It's interesting for the international Series for sure.

Yeah.

It's very interesting for the international.

I've.

This is sad where. This is so sad.

There was just some news that just came that just came out like right now as we're talking about this game. So I'm really glad that Shefter tweeted.

This out we just got tagged. Was sad.

Yeah, we did. It was sad.

But make the graphic PFD a big cat sad.

DeForest Buckner is not traveling to the game.

Doesn't have his passport.

Neck injury. Ah, yeah, neck injury. So that's. That's a big one.

Flying with a hurt neck would suck.

Yeah, but you know, it would kick ass if you were told you didn't have to go on the international trip. The day of the international trip. Imagine how awesome that was. I hope he doesn't have to go. Right?

Incredible.

Don't put that man on a plane.

Do you think you.

He goes to the facility, watches at the facility.

Dude, there's got to be. No, it's like Home alone.

Yeah.

Go to the facility and just have it all to yourself.

Just order a bunch of pizza.

Be so awesome.

That'd be very. Mark Sanchez is trying to break in. We should set up booby traps for them.

We should see if a team will host us at their facility on a week they're in international.

Do you think they have like a big screen TV that just the people that work in that office get to watch the game on? Yeah, probably like a huge one.

Yeah, like a. Like a really, really big.

Yeah, that would kick ass.

Our dreams are basically finding another place we can watch all the football games that are have an open space, maybe a basketball court or. Oh, they probably so sick.

They probably have an ice cream machine.

They probably have an ice cream machine. Probably have a shitload of food delivered.

A hot tub watching and the team issued hot tub.

That'd be sick.

That would kick ass.

What are the Falcons doing with kickers? They get.

They got Zane. They got Zane.

So they went from young young ho to Parker to Zane Parker.

Romo is no longer their kicker. I think. I'm pretty sure Zane is going to be kicking in this game. He's a good kicker. He just. It's tough. I don't want to discriminate against individuals with obsessive compulsive disorder because it's a real thing that people learn to live with their entire lives. But it, it just doesn't give you the most confidence as a fan when you're watching on TV and your kicker is having to do his rituals before he goes on field. Now he's a good kicker and he's managed it and it's got a cool name. Pretty impressive that he's gotten to this point in his profession, which is all about being mentally tough.

Yep.

So he's obviously figured out a way to. To take what was a limiting factor and make it a strength of his. I'm just speaking strictly. If you're watching on TV and you're nervous and you see that it doesn't. It makes you more nervous at home.

Yeah.

But shout out.

Zane, I got another two quick stats for you. One I don't understand but I'll just say it because it sounds cool. Colts have scored 61.3 more points than their expected point totals this year. Number one in the NFL. Falcons have scored 39.8 fewer points in their expected point totals this year. Number 32 in the NFL. So basically the cults are way overexpected and the Falcons are disappointing.

Yep.

And then the other one which you know pft your season last year there was a big, a big part of the. What the commanders were doing was aggressiveness on fourth down. It felt like you guys were always getting fourth downs. Having the ball kind of roll your way. The Colts are kind of in that zone right now. The Colts on the season are 15 of 17 on fourth downs.

That's good.

88.2% conversion percentage. No team has ever had 15 plus fourth down attempts through their first nine games with that high of a conversion percentage. 2020 Bengals had the second most. That's pretty crazy.

Yeah. And then you get to the point where now you're calling plays on second down. Not necessarily to must get a first down or third down. You're not having to get a first down. You're killing plays that could get you like one yard away, two yards away, three yards away. And then you have a play for that and ready to go.

Yep. Yeah.

The Colts have been great this year. I think, I think Steichen, he's like top what Definitely in the top three for coach of the year.

Yeah.

So far this year. Yeah. So one thing I'm looking at in this game is the fact that we're seeing a lot of or back to back games from Bijan where he has not looked great combined with the Falcons just forgetting to use them and Indy has the number four ranked rush defense. And what we could be looking at is another one of those games if the Colts jump out to a lead. Bijan, the Falcons forgetting to use Bichon.

They just knew what the Falcons need to do is just put in the cool Bijan camera in every stadium.

Yeah.

Because that seems like when he does really well.

I agree with that.

Yeah.

Like flight out on your own dime if you're the Falcons. And Arthur Blank's like, Listen, I paid $50,000 to put this Camera in the stadium in Berlin. Do you know anything about the grass in Berlin? I don't because the international games. Always weird grass situation going on there. Maybe some slippery ass turf. I don't know. I'll be breaking out the World War II puns.

Got to.

Don't really have any. Right. I wish the Colts still had Reich as their coach.

That would be. That would help.

That would be fish in a barrel for this.

That would be very easy.

They're gonna love Kirk Cousins, though. They're just gonna look at him and be like, wow.

Yeah, look at that.

Look at that.

Look at his jawline.

He is him.

Yeah. Okay, let's go to Sunday afternoon or the first slate. So we. We're getting our morning slate out of the way. We have the Giants at bears. Bears minus four and a half. Over under is 46 and a half. The Giants are still wearing their throwback helmets.

Good.

Which are awesome. I'm nervous about this game because I don't think the Bears can stop anything. And that makes you nervous about every game.

Yeah, I mean, I understand that, but the, the defense has looked a lot better. Like it's. You've held up against the run. Ours. Yeah, at times. Yeah, you've held up against the run at times.

Not if 470 yards for Joe Flacco was bad.

Right?

No. The defense is not good and it's very injured and we don't have a pass rush and we don't have a secondary. Two very important parts of defense. I do think the Bears are going to have a lot of success just running the ball down the Giant's throat. And that would be my hope for this game. But yeah, the Giants are frisky. I mean, Jackson Dart is a. Is a definition of a frisky quarterback right now.

He is. He's made a lot of really good plays when he's had to scramble around off schedule. That's what's tough for Brian D. And he's done a great job, like we said, of trying to date Jackson Dart. They're probably going to get to the firm dating in Chicago and Dable's gonna be like, oh, this is crazy. They only give us one hotel room. Oh, I guess we could. Like, I can see if they could do two beds.

Yeah.

Oh, they don't have two beds, so maybe just one. But he does.

We'll go. We'll go head to feet.

Yeah, it's all good.

Yeah.

But it, it kind of hurts his case a little bit that Jackson Dart is making a lot of these plays. Outside the design play, like scrambling around and making something happen on the move. Not really the way that it's drawn up. So while you might get a few splashy plays, Dable's like, fuck, I really wish that my offense was, was working a little bit better so that I could. I could claim them a little bit harder. But yeah, I think you're right. I think Chicago's gonna just. They're gonna pound the out of the rock.

Gotta pound the rock. You gotta pound the rock. I did see our. My friends at Sports Info solution did send me a positive Bears station. So the Bears are actually not better when they're doing a lot of motion, pre snap motion. They have a 53% success rate on drop backs without motion and 41% with motion. And the Giants, though, are a past defense that's top five against motion and bottom five against static looks. So that actually plays into the Bears favor in this game.

That is good.

Giants are not good when it's static. The Bears are better when it's static.

How many players are going to attempt to pass for the Bears this weekend?

I think, I think as many as Ben Johnson wants. Yeah, as many as Benjamin. By the way, Caleb Williams. Not wrong, just early. The Bears, through eight games have the least amount of punts in their franchise history. In the Super bowl era, 28, 26 punts. Not wrong, just early. That was bad last year when it was like 85 punts after he sent that text.

No, the offense has been looking exciting.

Just was. Wasn't right. Yeah. Colson Loveland, mvp.

Yes.

He won the MVP last week.

He did.

Yeah, he got slimed.

He got slimed big time. And Ben Johnson confirmed on a podcast this week that he just watches guys at practice and he notices if they can throw and he's like, okay, we'll work out a new trick play for this guy.

Yeah, you're right.

He looks like he's got a cannon on his arm.

I'm. I do think the Bears are going to win this game. I'm just. When you go into a game with a bad defense, it. Anything can happen.

I have a question about the Bears. Where you picked? Yeah, Roma Dunes. Dad.

Yeah, he's always been a little bit of an issue.

I kind of like him. Yeah, I guess he's. He's like always standing up for his son is. Sometimes I imagine that Rome leaves practice. He's like, what did dad tweet? Oh, shit. I don't think it's. I don't think it's speaking for Rome at All. No, I think he's speaking like, as a dad, my son's the best. Get him the ball.

Here's where my. My take on Rome's Roman Dunes dad. I think his name is James. James Dunes A. He has tweeted many times about stuff. And I think that if you're going to be one of those dads, if you do it a lot, I don't care because it becomes kind of white noise like, oh, he's mad again. It's when a dad just shows up out of nowhere one time and being like, they're fucking over my son. Then you have to write articles about it and take notice to it.

Yes.

He's just, he's just doing it. He. He's done this multiple times. I don't care. He's sticking up for his son. Yeah. It doesn't bother me.

That's kind of how I looked at it too. And I like that. The Bears put out a video of Roma Dunes a mic'd up during the game and then tagged it. Like selfless.

Yeah.

Almost in a. Like the Bears clap back at Roma Dunes dad online.

Yeah, he. He actually, like, if you watch that game, he was doing a great job blocking in that game. And that was a big Ben Johnson. Johnson culture change thing. The whole no block, no rock.

Yeah.

And part of the run game being good is because guys are buying in. DJ Moore, Verona, Dunes A. These guys are buying into blocking downfield and you get these big chunk plays in the run game. So, yeah, Rome's fine. He had one game where he didn't catch a ball. Who cares? He's got a. He's got a good amount of touchdowns this year. I think they'll probably try to target him a few times. I'm excited for this game. It's not a must win, but The Gateway, the 6 and 3 Gateway would really be nice if we got to 6 and 3 and not the 5 and 4.

How hot is the seat for Brian Dable? Would you say it's. Is it blazing hot?

Well, because to answer your question. Yeah. You have the quote.

Yeah, well, I have the report.

Oh, I have the John Mara quote. Do you have a job?

Oh, no, no. There was a report that came out like an hour ago. Oh, I don't you give your quote.

Okay. The quote from John Mara was in January of 2025. He said, if I'm sitting here a year from now and you're asking me these questions, I'll take the heat on bringing back Brian D. And Joe Shane. It's been Almost a year and you're still getting the questions. So you taking the heat?

I guess he's got to take the heat.

He's got to take the heat.

Well, there was a. There was a report that came out like an hour ago. Sean Marash from New York, he's a radio host there. He said that D was about to be fired right after the Denver Broncos loss.

Oh, wow.

When they gave up that, that late fourth quarter lead, the collapse and. And someone talked John Mara out of it. He was going to be fired in Denver. I think this could have been Dart. It could have been Jackson Dart or Jackson Darts dad. I don't know. But it did feel like it was. That was a very, very bad loss. I didn't know that Dable. I didn't think that the Giants organization was Leave a coach on the tarmac. Yeah, I didn't think that. That they had that in them.

We talked about it last on Monday's show. Brian Dable, first year, seven and two through nine games.

Two and seven. Yeah.

Yeah. And then he's. No, no, he was seven and two through nine games his first year.

Okay.

Yeah, Y. And since then, two and seven. Two and seven. Two and seven.

Yep.

That's. You could think he's a good coach at some point. Records have to matter.

Yeah.

And that's really what it comes down to.

I do think he's. I think he's a good coach, but.

Records have to matter.

They have to matter at some point. And Jackson Dart's dad went on a Ole Miss podcast this week and they asked him about Lane Kiffin and he was like, yeah, somebody, you know, we're on a text thread with him. The whole Dart family is still texting with Lane, which is awesome. And then somebody sent a link to, like, Lane Kiffin to the Giants as a joke, and Lane Kiffin said, not interested. Too cold up there. So Lane Kiffin has officially taken his hat out of the running to be the Giants next head coach.

Because of coldness. That's. That's, that's actually like, nice that he gets the. He. Lane Kiffin is so sought after, he can just decide his next job based on temperature.

Yeah, but do you think. Do you think that they would have made more moves if they were going to get a new coach? Our new gm? Actually, it's more on the gm, I think.

Yeah, I think they're combo.

Like, if you're trying.

They did draft Jackson Dart.

Yeah, that's good. If you're trying to attract a. I think a good young quarterback. Will bring in a coach but having assets that would bring in a great gm.

Right.

And so they didn't really get any of those before the trade.

But they do have a good. They, they have a good roster or I shouldn't say good roster. They are. They have some pieces that are nice.

Yes, they have. I think they have the exact right amount of pieces to get a very good coach.

Like if they were to make talk about they have quarterback, they've running back Andrew Thomas is really good. They theoretically have a very good neighbors. Is really good. They theoretically have a very good defensive line.

Yeah. Very good. A lot. Some young. Some very young pieces.

Right. So there's something there. Yeah. This will be a tight game though. I, I just don't know if the Bears have the ability to blow anyone out because of their defense. Are you going to do Giants?

I did them last week.

I, I don't know.

I can go back to the.

Well, okay. Let us know when the hungry dog when you start popping up. Okay. Okay.

I just want to say if, if Brian Dable does get left on the tarmac in Chicago and there's two obvious ones. Just come to the office.

Yeah.

Like you'll come hang immediate guests on part of my take Sunday night couch is yours.

We have a Jackson dart at home. His name's Ben Mintz. Yeah, you just talk to him. Okay. Bill's at dolphins. Dolphins minus nine or sorry, bills minus nine and a half. Over. Under is 50 and a half. The Bills just own the Dolphins. They have owned them in this series. Overall, the Bills have beaten the Dolphins in seven straight meetings, including 14 one straight up in their last 15 matchups. That's a lot.

Yes. So the last time that the Dolphins beat the Bills, the Bills were also on a seven game winning streak. So it's, it's tough to beat the Miami Dolphins eight times in a row.

Okay.

That's what we always say.

I think the Bills are probably going to win this game.

I, I would tend to agree with that.

Brandon Bean basically was like the trade deadline. I sounded like the Bills were trying to make moves and it was just what he said. Damn, that was a waste of time.

Yeah.

What he said about the trade deadline.

Do you think that the Bills, which fan base do you think is the most upset at the lack of moves at the trade deadline? The Bills could be up there.

Patriots could be up there.

Hank, personally.

Yeah.

Yeah, probably. I'd say probably the Bills wanted a.

Receiver, but we're going to talk to Chris Long. He's going to tell Us. Why? The Bills are just fine how they are and built to win. Yeah.

I think their tight ends are going to go nuts this weekend.

This is kind of weird for Miami, though, because they're just. They're just basically playing out this season, not going to fire or bench anyone and just. They're just kind of. Is what it is. Like, they're just showing up. It's that meme. The. The teacher who shows up the same, like in the same shirt every day. That's. That's just what they're doing. Mike Martino showing up in the same pair of Capris.

Yeah.

2. Is showing up with the same attitude of, hey, I can try my best, but I'm still short. Yeah. And then they're going to lose, and then next week they'll just show up with the same thing and nothing is going to change.

I mean, hopefully if you're a Dolphins fan, nothing does change this season. Yeah.

Just lose.

Just lose.

Just lose out.

Got to hit the heart. Well, they. They did fire. They fired Greer.

Yeah, they did fire.

We didn't think that that was going to happen.

So, like, did make one change.

If you're a Dolphins fan, that's. That's actually a huge change that you have because I don't think anybody expects McDaniel to come back next season no matter what. Right. So they have. They did make the big change that you were renting planes out to fly banners behind. Demanding. So I think you got to be like a little bit, like a tiny bit optimistic about the direction that you're going.

Yeah. So. And then Tua said that he's not playing. He's. He. He's not playing to keep his job. He's playing to try to help our team win. That's good.

Yeah.

I like. His eye is still fucked up a little bit.

His eye, it got more red. I think it's weird.

It's weird. So, yeah. This game is Bills. Yeah. Okay. Next up, good game. Battle the purple Ravens. Vikings. Right now The Vikings are three and a half point underdogs. Over under is 49 and a half. I like the over in this game. I just don't think. I think Lamar. I think the Ravens are ready to take off. I think they're ready to take off.

A little stat that. That a lot of people forget about Lamar Jackson and his record against the NFC. He's 0 and 2 in his last matchups against NFC teams.

Oh.

Something interesting to think about before that, I guess he was. He's 24. Three lifetime against the.

Wait. He's owing to. Who did he play this year?

Let's see.

Well, the Ravens play.

The Ravens. Lions.

They lost. The Lions, Yeah. Yes. Anyone else?

Don't know what the other team is.

Yeah. But it. It might have run out. Yeah. Oh, Philly. No, they lost to Philly last year.

Right.

Did you guys play him last year? Yeah, we beat. Yeah, we won. Yeah. So that's it. I think it's. I think it's Philly in the lines. Yeah.

Owen. Two in his last two, but.

Yeah, he was 24 and he was 23 and one until the loss to the. To the Eagles and the Lions.

Yep. Down a little losing streak.

A little bit of a losing.

I do. I do agree. I think that the. The Ravens are. They're a really good team right now.

Yeah. Well, I don't. Yeah. I don't know if they're. I would like to see them win this game convincingly, then I'm ready to say they're a really good team right now because it's two. They played. Lamar didn't play in the Bears game, and then the Dolphins. So I'm not ready to say all the way that they're a really good team right now. Do you know, is that fair?

I think that's fair. But we also expected the Ravens to get really good even when they sucked.

Yeah. I want to see them. This is the game. This is the game that if they win this game, I can. I can get back to saying they're really good right now. They're. They're not really good. They're trying to get back to it.

We'll sit. We'll also find out a lot about JJ this week.

Yeah.

How many yards did he have in his wins? 173.

143.

143 yards.

143 yards, two touchdowns, one interception, one rushing touchdown in both of his wins that were 27, 24.

So that's the formula.

That is the formula. Yeah.

We've got it.

Just get him to exactly that, and he should win. Although the formulas also play against division opponent, which is not true. Anything else in this game. I like the purple. The. The Ravens are. Obviously. The Vikings are wearing the majority of the purple.

Yeah. But still, it's very purple.

It's very purple. I like purple on purple. Also, Derek Henry is a lot better when Lamar Jackson's in the game, which is a no. Duh.

Yeah.

But his. His. His rushing yards per average. I actually. Someone texted me this stat. I think Ebo texted me this stat. It was a pretty Good one. Give Derek Henry some love. Derek Henry. With Lamar on the field this year, Derek Henry averaging six yards per attempt. When he's off the field, he's averaging just 3.7.

That's pretty drastic. Jump off.

You gotta. You gotta worry about everything.

This is one of those matchups that I don't recall these teams playing against each other, the Ravens and the Vikings. I would agree you lose it a little bit because of the purple, but, yeah, I can't. This matchup never happens.

Yeah.

So enjoy it.

Also, JJ McCarthy said that he has an alter ego. He flips a switch on game day, calls it nine. Nine comes out. And I gotta understand he can't be at his peak performance throughout three and a half hours. So how do I find little ways on the sideline to get back to my breath, get back to my visualization that can maintain that intense competitive stamina throughout the whole game? It's the pure will, determination to get the job done. So watch out for nine.

Dude, that's awesome.

Nine. So he puts on. When he puts on the I black in the. In the locker room. Nine. That's nine.

Doing that doesn't answer to jj. No, just strictly nine.

That's nine. He. Did you see that clip of him in the locker room? He is a psycho.

Yeah, he's nuts. And I do think that his teammates love him. Yeah. Like, you saw their reaction when he. He threw for a touchdown last week. Everybody is. Everybody's bought in on JJ Inside that lock. Now, it might be bought in like a cult and it might not work, and they might end up drinking Kool Aid instead of champagne at the end of the season, but you can tell that his teammates actually enjoy playing for him and they're rooting for him. And they. They like him as their quarterback, which goes a long way.

Yeah. Okay, next game, Browns and Jets. Let's go. Memes. Jets plus one and a half.

Over.

Under is 37 and a half. How we feeling? I actually think the jets are going to win. I also think the jets are going to win. Okay, good. You're back. I'm back. We got to have A.D. mitchell. There's now a receiver that Garrett Wilson actually respects in the wide receiver room opposite of him. Back or no? He's back. Oh, he is. Okay. Yeah. And. And Justin Fields doesn't know if he's the starter or not.

He'll be the starter.

Okay. Because he said that he's like, I don't know. Yeah. I think they're playing week to week with the starter, which I actually don't mind. Okay.

Yeah, keep him guessing. So all memes, are you. You're expecting the jets to win or you're hoping that they'll win? They'll win the game. Where you at?

I'm expecting them to win.

It's. It's going to be. God bless John Fanta for going to this game. Yeah, God bless. God bless everybody that is attending this game at MetLife Stadium. There was. There's almost a trade this week. Memes that didn't happen. Did you see. Did you read about the trip, the move that the jets did not make?

No.

They. They received some interest in Garrett Wilson and do you know what team was hoping to get him and ultimately failed?

I'm gonna get some Bills.

The Cleveland Browns.

Oh.

Tried to get Garrett Wilson. I don't know why that would. Why. Why?

I don't really have a receiver. I guess Judy is kind of. But is he.

But why.

Why he's got to try to stack. Stack some. Some good players.

I think their GM was probably just bored.

Yeah.

He's just kind of reaching out, being like, hey, I wonder if I could trick them. What about Garrett Wilson? Yeah, maybe they'll say yes.

Also, I'm very happy that the, the other trade that didn't happen that was talked about was the jets trading Breeze hall to the Chiefs. The jets wanted a third rounder. The Chiefs only wanted to give up fourth rounder. That would have sucked.

Yeah.

If the Jet. If the Chiefs got pre. Solved. That would have sucked.

Oh, yeah.

They would have won the whole thing. Yeah.

Yeah. I want everybody to remember this. If the Chiefs don't win the super bowl this year, the jets stopped them.

Yeah.

That's the one team that can stop facts. The Kansas City Chiefs is the New York Jets. You did your job.

It's true. Zach Wilson did outplay Patrick Mahomes on Sunday Night Football that one time. Yeah, he did. Yeah, he did.

Also true.

Also, Aaron Glenn just made a little correction on expectations for the Jets. Did you see this quote? Yeah. Sometimes you need to clarify yourself. Yeah. He said, I want this to be a team that the fans are proud of. But again, I never said they were going to be proud of them right now. Just to clarify, at some point I want them to be the team that the fans are proud of. I stick to that. This will be a team the fans are proud of. Don't let go of the rope. Just continue to watch us work. So just so we're clear, he never said right now they're going to be proud of them never said that. Yeah.

Sometimes you got to clarify what you.

Say in front of a microphone. Yeah, I like just admitting, too, like, yeah, we get it. You guys do not. You're not proud of this.

I said I would take out the trash. I didn't say I was going to do this week. Yeah, right now it could next week.

What are you crazy right now?

I. I think Aaron, Glenn. I think the team likes him. He's got a. He's got some big learning curve about, like, how to deal with the microphone.

Oh, yeah.

Well, I.

Jet PR team is like the worst in the league.

How do you think they should have handled that? Like, what should. What if you're the Jets PR team, what would you do?

Tell them to stop saying shit.

Stop. Stop.

Stop giving expectations. Stop talking. Stop.

Yeah, no expectations.

That's a good. That's. Jets fans take every single word you say, and they're like, well, he said.

We were going to be proud. He said we were a couple pieces away.

He said all we had to do is retool. No. Just to be clear, he never. He didn't say proud right now. Yeah.

Just say we're gonna suck.

Yeah. Building for two years and then we'll be good in 2028.

I do think that a lot of coaches forget that the majority of the people that are listening to their words are fans of the team that will take what. All the good stuff you say and be like, okay, yeah, yeah, let's go. I think a lot of times they're just so caught up in not giving any, like, splashy quotes or bulletin board, anything like that, that they end up forgetting that they can be doing a disservice to their own fans. Yeah, that's good advice.

Memes.

Yeah.

It was essentially aura farming memes. Question for you, because this game is not going to be the best game. Would you like to talk about wind turbines real quick? Sure. Okay. Max, is it okay if we talk about wind turbines? Because you are the accusations that you are maybe paid off by oil or someone else. I don't know where your angle is, but you shut down the wind turbine conversation very quickly.

You guys can talk about whatever you want. People were mad that I wanted to get back on track, but that's. That's on me.

You just. But just tell us who's paying you. I didn't even know that that wind turbines was a political thing.

Mean hand up. I didn't. The fact that. That it turned in.

I just thought that we were going off on a tangent and I wanted.

Us to get back to football. I just care about the ocean.

Gaz tweeted. Very funny, Said. Also, what the fuck was Max Delonte's problem? He spells your name wrong.

Not even close.

Probably continuously trying to change the topic off of wind turbines when Hank was about to take down the whole industry. Max Delonte, live of the year. I didn't know. Put me up either.

Put me up for.

Not for nomination. I did find out that 10% of our energy comes from wind turbines in America. That's pretty cool.

That's good.

Is that not something you would be interested in?

That's cool, I guess.

No, you're not. You're not. You're not ready for that. You don't like that 46 million American homes can be powered by wind?

Can be. Oh, wait, you don't think they do? Why does it say can be?

Well, I mean, it's how much energy they take.

They provide. Are they that. No, they're saying that they provide enough energy for 46 million homes. It's not saying that. Like, there's 46 million individual homes and those homes are the only ones that get all the. All the wind energy. Interesting. Yeah. I don't understand why it's canon, not R. Because the energy goes other places, too. It should go to buildings.

Yeah.

Go to offices, Go to scoreboard.

You go to tv, Shout out awl. Ethan, he works in wind turbines. He sent me some stuff. He said that they're massive, obviously, which are really cool. Just incredible engineering. What we've seen that we've.

Everyone's seen a winter. All right.

But I don't think you understand how massive they are.

I've seen them, you know, big those blades are.

How fast do you think the blades are moving?

I don't know, 100 miles an hour.

200 miles an hour. Cool. How about that? That's pretty cool.

Imagine being a bird just trying to fly west.

Oh, that's funny, actually. So. So.

But the first of. Before you get to the actual facts, if you're a bird and you get killed by a windmill, that's on you.

Question.

Do you have anything against house cats? No. Oh, okay. Because we should probably just eradicate all house cats, because house cats are responsible for an estimated 365 million bird deaths per year. Wind turbines are estimated 140,000 bird deaths.

One is manmade.

I'm just saying. I'm like, cats are killing millions and millions of birds.

That is literally.

Turbines are killing life. A couple hundred thousand.

The circle of life.

A couple hundred thousand birds fly Into a wind turbine. Like, idiot, that's not the circle of Life.

Did you say 375?

It's actually the. The range is insane. I don't know how this is a range. Cats are responsible for an estimated 365 million to 2.4 billion bird deaths per year in the US alone. And then the feral cats are the biggest threat, by the way. They're. They're doing it all the time. And then wind turbines are responsible for an estimated 140,000 to 680,000 bird deaths annually. Also, awl. Ethan said he's been working at the wind turbine for a decade. He's only seen about three bird deaths.

Okay. Yeah, that's very low.

How about that?

That's a million. A million birds are killed each day by a cat.

And the turbines take a hundred gallons of oil, and they can be. To keep it going, moving, to, like, grease the wheels and stuff, and that could be in there for years. Three bird deaths can't be true. That's what he said.

Hank. I think I've had more birds fly.

Into my window in my apartment.

What kind of. What kind of apartment do you have? I live in, like, he works on.

A wind turbine with 400 of them, and he said, I have seen maybe three bird deaths near the towers.

Hank, I have a question for you.

Yes. Pft.

Also, what do you. How do you feel about electricity?

It's cool.

Pro.

Okay.

Well, it's interesting because also, power lines kill 64 million birds a year.

Damn.

And they're everywhere.

That's a lot. And that's only 140,000 on wind turbines.

It's only 140,000.

Yeah. That's on the low end.

It's 316 million.

Yeah.

From Cats. Yes.

You're forgetting feral cats. They kill all of them.

That seems erroneous.

I googled it, and I read it off Google also.

You guys think about this?

Aw. Just brought to my. Ethan wanted to say real quick. You, Clay, I don't know what that's about. Sat would do it.

Lighthouses can kill birds.

Oh.

Especially during migration, when birds are drawn to the light and collide. I don't see a stat.

They can kill birds. Anything can kill birds.

You can kill birds. That brought. That brought this to my can do lighthouses kill birds? They can kill birds. What I'm hearing is that Carson Wentz is responsible for more bird deaths a year than windmills.

It's. It's difficult. This is AI overview. I'm just going to read off this. It is difficult to give an exact number for. For lighthouse specific deaths. But estimates suggest up to a billion birds a year die from collisions with artificial light. With lighthouses and communication towers being a significant factor. Okay, that's a lot of bird deaths.

So are you anti lighthouse?

Nope. Are you anti bird? Where do you land on wind turbines? I actually, I'll say this.

Here's what I'll say.

Hard to do research about anything because I'm one stupid two I don't trust AI and my conclusion on wind turbines are Feral cats are a problem. That's my. That's. That's the conclusion I came up with. I either.

Last summer, the summer before was on a boat off of Block island and the captain was telling me about how a wind turbine broke and the pieces of the wind turbine were just completely destroying the ecosystem of the ocean. And basically it did for the whole summer.

I'd like it on the record.

And so that is my entire basis of being anti winter. Okay, so maybe on land ones. I. I really don't have a problem. I don't have a. Any anecdote to go against the ones that are on land. Fine, get them out of the ocean.

I will right now say why they like to be. I like my wind turbines not broken. Yeah, probably the guy that sent you those stats again. Did you hear my. My conclusion to the wind turbine debate? Feral cats are a problem.

Just as a word of warning, there's been like one guy in the history of the world that is as anti windmill as Hank is, and that's Don Quixote and he like got AIDS and died.

Who is that?

The man of la mantra political Don Quixote. So the tequila guy. Yes, he. That's a tequila, right? Yeah.

Why didn't he like winter?

I don't know. He just didn't he. It was like something going. Probably all the tequila that he drank, that's. It drove me crazy. And then he went on this quest against windmills and then I think it was like, I'm probably hepatitis. He died, had a bad fever and could not finish his quest against the windmills. It's very sad, but good tequila. But yeah, I don't. I mean again, like I'll. I'll stick. I'll stay in a business on one. Getting wind turbines out of the ocean. I don't really care one way or the other about the ones on land. Okay, I think that's fair.

Okay. Yeah.

You know what? I think you're just anti that. That one wind turbine.

Yeah.

I'll tell you something.

What about feral cats.

That's you need for. I mean, that's just society.

That's. The world doesn't care about the bird.

I think. I think Hank might be like a little bit of a Internet gangster, like, keyboard warrior, because he and I went out yesterday, played a little golf. There was a wind turbine right there. He didn't say to it in person, oh, yeah, you.

You pussied out.

It was right there.

You weren't that close.

It was in the distance. They're so big that it looks.

Yeah, you got a little scared.

What you got to say about that.

As you got a little scared, buddy? It wasn't that close. It wasn't with a distance.

I would have tried to hit it with a golf ball. Yeah, I know. It was. It was staring you down.

I just. That one video where the guy got the soccer ball in the wind turbine, that was cool.

That video is cool.

Yeah, that was really cool.

I like driving on the road when they. They transport the wind turbines, like, the pieces of them. It's crazy how big they are.

So we pretty much learned nothing.

Yeah, the. The cat thing is a really.

That's a big. That's a big issue.

It's a real issue.

It's on my radar now. Illinois has more wind turbines than Indiana. I found out. Oh, so this all started from you trying to own someone and then you got owned. No, but Indiana just has nothing. Oh, they don't. They're not even good enough to have winter.

They got the Hoosiers.

That's good.

Yeah. Indiana's got stuff.

They have a lot.

Has got a lot of stuff. I feel like Illinois and Chicago are different.

Well, I mean, like, if you go south. Yeah. It's like farmland. Yeah.

It's just.

Yes.

It's completely different. I've. I've only seen this part of Illinois, so. Have you.

No. He drove. Well, he drove to. That's not really. But it's all, like, all of your driving is in other states. Whenever you travel anywhere from where we.

Are, what's really cool is driving out. Like, if you're in the farmland area of like, Illinois and Iowa at night time, and you just see the blinking red lights from all the windmills that are off in the distance. It's kind of cool.

And they're very cool. Yeah. And they're just very welcoming. And no birds fly into them.

No bird. Because they've got blinking lights on them like, oh, that. That light's red. That means danger.

Okay, next game. Good job. Jets and Browns. Next game. The Patriots and The Bucks, the game of the week. Oh, yeah. Partial game of the week on DraftKings sportsbook. How we feel. And boys, the Bucks right now are sitting at two and a half point favorites. The over under is 48 and a half.

This will obviously be in the Hunger Dog.

Okay, Zach, Hank.

Feeling good about the.

Game, by the way.

Game.

We should say real quick. Zach is a little nervous right now because Spotify has updated their app and you can now see how many people listen to each episode. This has been for a little while. Yeah. But shout out the awls. It's pretty insane. We have like 500,000 plus people on listen to every show just on Spotify. That doesn't include Apple, YouTube, all the other apps. So Zach seeing the numbers and being like us explaining to him that it's like a million people listen. Every episode has him a little rattled right now. Shout out to Awl's great group of.

Guys and women and everybody who listens.

Yeah. So that. That was just heard by a million people. You guys rule. We might have lost that.

Zach, if you were. If you were to talk to. What's the capacity of Raymond James Stadium? Do you know? 75,000. Okay, so let's just think like if you took. We'll say 25 Raymond James Stadiums filled to capacity and they're getting ready for kickoff and they want to hear some words of motivation or Zach's keys to the game. All those people right now are in front of you. You have one mic and they're all looking at you right now. What do you say to those people?

Let's play ball.

That's good. That's good. I think you nailed that. Zach's not happy with the way that Hank talked about the boat or the ship. Oh, yeah, the pirate ship. Not unhappy. You didn't have to come for the pirate ship like that. It's a. It's a fun thing for the fans. I like the pirate ship. I don't think you like that take. I don't think I just said those.

The.

The shape of the stadium was bizarre.

It is. Yeah.

On game time. It's weird.

Stand on business. Hank, what do you. Did this wind turbine. Fuck you up. Go after Zach.

I like the fucking boat. I'm pro ocean aquatics.

Everything involved.

So I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna sit here and besmirch a boat and then prop up a lighthouse. That would be. Make no sense.

Okay. I don't know what to make of this game because Drake may has been incredible against the blitz so far. This season he is number one in its success rate. 64% against the blitz. And Todd Bowles loves to blitz.

He does.

So what's gonna happen? I don't know. Bucks off by. This is a big game.

This is a. Are you for real game for the Patriots.

Yeah. Because you. Obviously the Bills game was a huge one, but then you guys have not played the. The best. You've taken care of business.

That was passing the torch game. This is.

This is not a.

It's not a must win. It is a must compete. It is like if we lose, I'm not gonna be like if we lose and it's a close game, I think that might be a good thing long term. Like this is. Could be a start of the championship DVD game.

Yeah.

No, I'm just saying like I'm not going to be like doom and gloom if we lose this game. Depending how we lose. If we lose by call it ten plus and yeah, that's. That's a. That's gonna have to be a big reset expectations like what's going on. I don't think we're gonna win out. Like I think that would be unrealistic to say we're gonna lose at some point. It might be this week. I still think we're gonna win, but I. It's a must compete. It would be a little doom and gloom though if you lost, the Bills won and then now you're looking at the division standings, you're looking at the playoff picture. Better schedule.

Okay.

So not doom and gloom.

No. Bills have a little. I think the Bills have the easiest schedule remaining.

Maybe a little bit of gloom. I thought we had the easiest schedule before and after.

I'm pretty sure. Look up the easiest schedule remaining. The Bills have a very easy schedule remaining as well. That they. I. The Chiefs was the reason why the Bill schedule remaining was. Was not the easiest. But I think now that they've gotten past the Chiefs, I think it's pretty damn easy. Keep scrolling, keep scrolling, keep scrolling. Oh no, I was wrong. All right, so it is. It's still the. The Patriots. The Bills do have an easy schedule.

They have the.

What is it?

Scroll down. We have 32nd.

They have 28.

Okay. So yeah, it's going to be. Oh yeah, they still have to play the Eagles. Bill still.

I miss Bucky Irving. I missed the days when Buck Irving was playing on Sundays. I think he is. He's back. He was. I was looking on DraftKings as we were doing this game and he's listed as a touchdown scorer. Because that could be huge for the bucks.

Zach.

Yes, sir?

Will you be sitting in the cave with us? I. I can sit and watch wherever.

You like me to sit and watch.

Okay.

Yep.

Maybe. Hank, in the middle of you and Che, are you ready for Chef? Oh, you love Jay.

I just. Jay does nothing for me. Like, he's. He couldn't get me mad if he tried. And he's not scary whatsoever.

I think that's a good group of.

Guys to watch game with.

Exactly. It's the same.

I mean, I. I don't even. Steven's a little. Can be annoying. Jack is just a delight.

Zach.

Zach.

Yeah, he's delight.

That was up. Yeah, that was pretty messed up. That was up. You just called. You said it. Jack. They sound so similar.

I mean, you called them Jack by accident.

Sorry.

Okay. Sorry. Only a million people called him. Heard him to call you Jack.

Yeah, I don't care. That has never. Fine. That bothered me. I would have not been on the show 10 years ago.

No, but it's. It's intense. It's got it in his head.

No, it's gonna be a game.

Looking forward to it. See, these are the takes you get. Now give us your spiciest take about this game.

Hottest take, I guess hot stake about this game would be.

This could be.

I mean, it's a game. We're going into this game. Everyone's thinking the bucks maybe not. I'm not going to say should win.

But like probably may win.

May win. Definitely a May win. It's a May win.

Drake.

May's wins might be a little inflated due to their easy schedule this year.

Whoa.

Who you play, Zach?

Whoa.

So we'll see.

Get his ass.

Yeah, that's a great point by Zach.

That was. That was a spicy take. I'm gonna be pissed at you for that.

All the years of the show, we've never thought to call it a May win.

Yeah. Okay. Saints at Panthers. Panthers minus five and a half.

Over.

Under is 39 a half. Hank, have you seen any other hungry dogs we've hit on or.

No, no.

I'll let you know. Okay. I'm interested because this might be the week that I opt in the Panthers.

Panthers are favorites.

Yep.

The first time all season.

Yep.

That's crazy that they have the record that they have right now and they have yet to be favored in a a single game.

Since 2020, the Carolina Panthers are 3 and 13 against the spread as favorites. The three quarterbacks they beat as favorites were Davis Mills, Zach Wilson and Dwayne Haskins. So not a lot of times they're favorites.

Tyler shucked. He fits in nicely with that group, though, doesn't he?

I don't know. I did. They had the ball, like, two times in the second half. Yet last week, I kind of feel.

Bad for Chuck because they. They traded Rashid Shahid and then Chris Olavi. He also tweeted out the unhappy face after it all happened. Yeah, but if you got a rookie quarterback that just now got the job and then you trade away the. The deep threat option that he seemed to like, that's. That's a. That's a tough day at work. There's gonna be a tough week of work for Tyler Schuck.

Yeah, he. The Saints had the ball for 16 minutes last Sunday. That's insane. They just didn't have the ball. I feel like we're going to maybe get a lot of Taysom Hill in this game.

You should.

About that.

We should think about that, like, outside of.

Work them along.

Taysom Hill. Olave Kamara. I don't really know who else the.

Saints have Juan Johnson.

Do they have him?

Is that the. Their tight end?

I think they've got the guy from Denver, Vale.

I like the Saints tight end because he's one of those guys who. Yeah, Juwan Johnson. He's one of those guys who will score three touchdowns in one game a year, and everyone will look at his stats on fantasy and be like, should I pick him up? He scored a lot of points. Then you realize he did it all in one game.

Yeah.

What are his stats this year? What are Juwan Johnson stats this year? Look him up for me, Max. He. He does. He does feel like that type of guy where he'll just go off. And this might also be like, last year he did this. Or two years ago he did this. He has two touchdowns this year. He's not a. I like him, though, because he sometimes scores touchdowns and I get pumped and I'm like, ooh, should I pick him up?

400 yards receiving. Oh, Brandon Cooks. He's on the Saints.

Yeah, Brandon Cooks.

That's cool. And. Yeah. Devon Vellit. I guess Valley's. They're like, number. He's a starting receiver this weekend. Good for him. Good luck.

Point of clarification. Juan Johnson. Johnson, I don't think has ever scored three touchdowns in a game. He did in 2022. Had two games where he scored two touchdowns. That was huge. Yeah. So I just made this up in my head, but that's okay. Sometimes you got to just make shit up in your Head.

It's okay. He's got one of those names.

But two touchdowns, basically. Three touchdowns for a guy like him.

That's true with Shuck. You get rid of your deep threat option, then you also trade away an offensive lineman. That feels like it. It feels like they're not really.

Feels mean.

They're not really setting them up to win.

Yeah, this is. This is a big. I mean, the Panthers at 6 and 4. Yeah, it could be the Panthers at 6 and 4. Do we trust to bet on them?

I think that I do. Meow Mix came back, but then.

No, they didn't.

Well, they. They said that they were going to come back, and then on. On our show and many other shows, they said, you can't do this. You can't come back. Meow Mix, we're riding hot right now. And then a bunch of former Panthers weighed in. Like, Jonathan Stewart was like, you can't do the podcast now, guys. You got to sit this one out for the good of the team. So they issued a statement saying, we're.

We're.

We're listening to you guys. We can't come back right now. Thank you for your support.

Yeah.

So they're men of the people at Meow Mix.

Yes, big time. Okay, next up, Jaguars, Texans, Davis Mills. Time we had Davis Mills going up against Trevor Lawrence. Texans are plus one. Half over. Under is 37 and a half. Did you guys see James Gladstone, the whiz kid GM of the Jaguars, take, I would say, maybe a subtle shot? Brian Thomas, when talking about Jacoby Myers, he said, jacoby Myers superpower is not dropping the football.

That's. It says a lot that that could be interpreted as a shot at your number one wide receiver.

Well, he said the full quote is, you think about where we're at in terms of volume of drops. What is. What. What's his superpower? It's not dropping the football. Right. So you just take it from the surface level, it seems fitting. So, yeah, he basically saying, Brian Thomas just drops it so much. We need someone who wouldn't drop it. Also, Jacoby Myers has the weird wrinkle of playing for the team he just played against. And he said it is weird because it's very weird because I was just talking crazy to some people.

I like that. So he had to come in and be like, you guys know how it gets out there.

Yeah, my bad, guys.

Nothing personal. It's like the. That bell curve thing where it's like the idiots at one end when they. They analyze wide receivers, and they're like, he doesn't drop the pass. And then everybody in the middle is like, this guy has explosive separation at the middle of his nine routes. It's. Or the middle of the six routes. He's incredible between the hash marks. And then at the very end, it's, this wide receiver is good because he doesn't drop the football.

Yeah.

That's how you, that's how you analyze it when you're an expert or an idiot, which is great. I, I think I like the Jaguars. I cannot trust the Texans.

I can't trust the Jaguars either.

And to me, it doesn't really matter that much if it's C.J. stroud or Davis Mills. I think that their problems run a lot deeper than just who's throwing the ball.

Yeah.

But on defense, they're really good.

Yeah, I, I, I think the Jaguars are gonna have a long day on offense, but I do think that this is a, My strategy with the Texans is basically when they play a team that can get a pass rush, you bet against Texans, the Jaguars can. And when they play a team that can't, you bet on the Texans. So I'm gonna take the Jaguars in this game, and I'm gonna hope and pray that they can do enough offensively to win this game.

Yeah.

Because this could be an ugly one. Last time Davis Mills faced Trevor Lawrence, the Jaguars won 31 3. Not that that matters at all, right? No, no, I'm not gonna. Whatever. Okay. Afternoon games. Is the Texans one of your hungry dogs? No, it's not getting involved in this game. This might be one of your hungry dogs. This is the Cardinals.

Nope.

Plus six and a half at the Seahawks. And the over under right now is sitting at 45 and a half. The Kyler Murray era is officially over.

It was really strange this week because after the game was over, Gannon seemed to indicate that he was not going to bench Kyler Murray for reasons outside of injury. And then they asked him to clarify it again later. Has anything changed? And he said pretty much. Yet kind of has changed. Like he's been. He doesn't want to say that Kyler Murray's bench, but he kind of was forced to say it a little bit this week. And I think anybody that watched knows, because in all the games that Kyler Murray had with Jonathan Gannon as his head coach, he has not really come close to touching what Jacoby Brissette has done in his very limited time running that offense. Correct. And so for anyone that's watching, we, we all know that Jacoby Brissette is Not a quarterback of the future, but we know it looks a lot better when he's in there.

Yes.

And the Seahawks are really good. They're really good. They're super bowl contenders.

Yeah.

What was your favorite color? Murray Memory?

The Hail Mary. Hail Murray.

Yeah, the Hail Murray. I was gonna say, I think the time that he. The one time he played in the playoffs and I bet on him and they got absolutely killed.

I just.

And then I think he blocked me on Twitter after that.

I'm just thinking back to the times. Just he's just scoot around out there. Yeah, right. Just like a little. Little rugrat.

And you're right. I mean, Jacoby Brissette just looked better. He looks like he runs the offense better.

I have a fun stat for you, big cat.

Yeah.

Did you know that Jacoby Brissette has the all time lowest career interception percentage?

No.

1.33%. Damn.

Now, is that a situation where he should be throwing more?

Maybe interceptions?

Maybe.

But he's also. I think he's also the best quarterback at quarterback sneaks in the non Jalen hurts category in the history of the NFL.

Okay. So I, I just like the Cardinals in this game. And it's purely because I think the Cardinals are a little underrated the way they've lost a lot of their games. Jacoby, your set's been playing better than Kyler Murray and the Seahawks. This is kind of the peak of like they just went on a primetime game and played perfect football against commanders.

It was perfect football.

So everyone's got that in their brain. Mike McDonald also is awesome on the road, not as awesome at home. I think the Seahawks are a really good team. I'm buy their stock. Overall, I'm just taking the six and a half.

Did you know that the Seahawks, they have the best against the spread record in the NFL and they average 8.6 above the spread. They're beating Vegas. They're like they're crushing Vegas.

It probably helped a lot.

That game did help a lot. On Sunday.

They win by 28.

That game helped. But they are. Yeah, they're almost two scores above Vegas. Damn.

Good for the Seahawks.

Yeah.

At least Kyler Murray gets call of duty time.

Yeah, it's a nice time for him.

Right. Do you think there's a chance he could maybe go play baseball? How cool would that be? Yeah, he's got so how much money.

He's got some baseball in him. I can see some, like, remember that.

When that was a real debate.

Anthony Rendone tendencies.

He made the right choice. I'll say that even if his. Even if he never is a good starting quarterback in the NFL and never gets, like, another bonafide shot, he made the correct choice because he's made $170 million.

Great choice.

You have to be a really good baseball player to make that great decision.

But again, I don't think I'm done with Kyler Murray. The next stop, get him in a good spot. I think he could have a little second career.

I am. I am very done. I'm happy that I'm done with Kyler Murray in Arizona because I was so sick of that.

It's just not. It's not a good vibe.

It's just never. It's not. It hasn't been a good vibe for a long time.

Yeah.

And it's good for it to be. Would you take him on the jets for free? For free to.

Not.

Nothing in life is free. I think he's got one of the worst contracts in the league. He's got three years remaining. They cut him after the. The second year, so he's got two more years of getting, like, $50 million.

He should. He should get fat.

Yeah.

Out of protest. He would look hilarious if he got fat.

So next year he's making 53 million. The year after, he's making 43 million potential out in 20, 28. What about baseball? Would you take him on the Mets?

What position?

Whatever you want. Sure. Like, what if he quit right now? And that's what I'm saying. Go to spring training. Yeah. It'd be awesome. He's young enough.

He's young enough that he definitely could still do it.

Imagine if he just became a good baseball player. He's older than I thought. 28. He just turned 28. Yeah. No, there's late bloomers.

Yeah. He could do it.

Okay, another. We got two more afternoon games. Rams at niners. This is gonna be a good game.

Oh, here we go.

Niners plus four and a half over under 49 and a half. I know you're gonna say. Yeah. So the last 14 times these teams have played, the underdog has covered 13 of them. Yeah.

And Kyle Shanahan, he owns McVeigh except for that. Except for the one NFC championship. Yeah. But outside of that, he's been dominant. Yeah. I. I think Purdy's getting reevaluated. I don't know if Purdy's going to play again this year. I don't know how bad that foot is.

It's so weird. I don't get it. I don't get it? We also get the thicker kicker there for the. For the Rams. They signed the Harrison Mevis guy from Missouri.

Love that.

Six. Six feet tall, 242 pounds.

That's awesome.

It's going to be so sick. We need more of those.

That's awesome.

Puka. Baby bump.

I think he got the baby bump.

It already happened.

Yeah.

What was that face?

Baby. Baby. Baby drama bump.

Oh, is there. He broke up with her.

Isn't there baby drama?

Is he. Did he break up with her?

I don't know. I don't.

I think that was TikTok rumor and then.

Yeah. Oh, okay.

Congratulations to Pooka.

Congratulations, Jerry.

Jerry's in my head.

Yeah. Jerry has been just spreading that from.

For some reason. I don't know why he told me today that Italians were done in this country over Italians. Done, Done. No, because a lot of them are attracted to Latinas.

That's Jerry.

And so then they have kids with Latinas, and then there's no more Italians.

So Jerry just looked at his own kids and was like, man, Italians are done.

No, Italians are done.

Italians are done. Too much cross breeding for Italians, I guess.

I don't know. This is. I'm just reporting what I heard from Jerry that Italians are.

I. I mean, he has a sample size of two in his house.

That is true. Of his. Of his children.

Yeah.

Are not. Yeah.

At that rate, we're not gonna have Italians in like three years max. Do you.

Do you agree? The Italians, based on Jerry's research, they are done.

Not Jerry o'. Connell. Jersey Jerry.

Yeah. Who?

Jerry.

Jersey. Jerry. Jersey Jerry has. He's Italian.

Yeah, I know, but he said Italians are done.

His girlfriend. Girlfriend is Colombian, and he has two children with her. And that is now made non Italian babies. They're still Italian. Yeah, no, but.

But all of them, according to Jerry, are. They're more attracted to Latino women. Yeah. And so then they have kids, and then eventually there's no more Italians.

Do I have permission to leave for one second? Yeah, of course. I don't know what's going on. There's Jerry. Jerry's wrong. Well, no, he's right. In his house, he is attracted to Latino women. Correct. Yeah, but he's Italian.

But he's.

He doesn't get to speak on all Italians. Anecdotally speaking, he's right. Wrong.

He's 100% right. For his. What?

He knows as an Italian, he's attracted to Latinas, and then he procreated with a Latina. He is right for himself.

My fiance also not Italian.

Oh, no, here we go.

Here we go. Max.

My wife's Italian. I'm not. There we go. There it is. So it keeps happening. No, that's what you're saying. It keeps happening.

I'm 1% Italian. And I gotta say, I'm probably, I'm probably at least 2% attracted to Latinas, so. Yeah, the math checks out.

Mm. So your, Your brother's gotta have, like, a thousand kids. Big Dom. Big Tom. Big Tom.

Shout out.

Shout out. Baby Dom. Shout out. Baby Dom. Okay. I like the Niners in this game.

I do, too.

We finally got a hungry dog, and then Hank left.

Yeah, no, I do, too. I, I like the Niners a lot.

Not.

I wouldn't care who the favorite was. I think I would just. I would take the Niners.

Yeah, it's a game where you just take the underdog. That's exactly right. Yeah. This was, this was Hank's big moment.

With this hungry dog. Yeah. Well, yeah, he did ask for permission. Yeah, he did.

What has he got?

He's got a pee. I think maybe oil lobby's hitting him up.

He's so scared of the windmills.

Yeah.

Okay. PFT. Your game commanders are currently seven and a half point underdogs.

Over.

Under is 49 and a half. How you feeling? I.

Terrible. Because the Lions, they, they lost last week and their backs are against the wall. We're a bad team that lost last week, so that doesn't really affect us as much, in my opinion. Not only did we lose, we obviously lost Jaden MARSHawn Lattimore towards ACL, which is saying, like, he stunk.

Yeah, but you could have maybe traded him.

He stunk, but he was probably our best cornerback.

Yeah. That's not good.

It's not good. That's not a good place to be in. I mean, Amos is. I think he's good for a rookie. I like Mikey, but I, I don't know how we're going to defend against the Detroit Lions. I really don't. I think that Dan Campbell is going to have his team just, like, salivating, ready to destroy us. I think we're going to get destroyed.

I don't.

I think this is going to.

I.

Big cat. Listen, I, I've seen this movie so many times before.

Okay. Okay. I don't know.

I, I, I'm not gonna bet on this game. But the Lions, what are they? Nine and a half?

Seven and a half. I, I think this is going to be one of those weird weeks. That's all I'll say. Watch out. Feels like these are the weeks where, you know, we're going to have one. Maybe it's. Maybe it's stupid to try to time it, but there is definitely a week in the, like, next couple weeks coming up where everyone's going to lose everything.

Here's what I will say. I think that there's probably. If you want to bet on the props, I could talk about some of the props in this game, because I think that Vegas doesn't think that Marcus Mariota is capable of throwing a forward pass. And he is.

He is.

And he can throw some touchdowns. So you can find some value for the commanders in terms of touchdown scores. But I would not. I would not ever dream about betting on the commanders in this spot. Like, I want to. I want to go out on the street and warn people like, are you or a loved one considering betting on the Washington commanders this weekend? Because we suck dick. And we got. Obviously, Luke is out. Terry's still out. So we got Debo, we got Marcus, we got Bill, and we don't really play defense at all, but we did make a big move today. Joe Whitt, our defensive coordinator, is moving down to the sideline.

Oh.

So, yeah, instead of getting fired, he just is going to take it. Maybe it was just an optical illusion from where he was sitting. The defense wasn't bad. Now that he's going to be on the sidelines, it might look better up close. It'd be nice if he were to change up the defense a little bit, but I don't think he wants to do that. The other story this week was Dan Quinn taking full responsibility for leaving Jaden in the game, which I agree. Yes, Dan, that. That was your responsibility. It was good to hear him say that he was responsible for it. And I think that the team's still going to play hard for Dan Quinn because they like him. But that was. That was the stupidest mistake that you can make if you have a player like Jaden Daniels. And he made it.

Yeah. Really dumb.

But his credit, he was like, yeah, I. That was a stupid fucking mistake that I made.

Yeah.

And you can judge me on it.

So at least he owned up to it.

I will. I don't know. What do you think?

I. I don't know. I think there. I think we are underrating Marcus Mariota. I agree with you on that.

Yeah.

I think the Lions might have some issues that are like, they're. They're a good team, but they're. They might have a few issues. I don't know. The thing that Scares me the most and I probably will like this is my lean is the commanders. I probably won't actually bet on this game. And actually when I say that right now I definitely will bet on this game because it's one of three afternoon games. So I take all that back. I will definitely bet on this game. The thing that makes me nervous is Dan Campbell off a loss.

Yeah, I agree. I agree.

I have a staff for you ready for this. Teams after losing as a favorite of seven points or more are 81, 57 and three against the spread. 58.7% including 22 and 13 against spread over the last three seasons.

That's a high strike rate.

That's. And that would be. The Lions fall under that category. And I think there's one other. I'm forgetting who losses double who losses over 7 point favorite outright last week.

So they, they're probably no.

No culture three point favorite.

So they'd have to be a good team. They'd have to be good teams.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. The Packers. Listen, I'd stop Packer, Dan. No, we're just saying Bears fans everywhere.

Just so you got Packer this week.

I'm saying I already bet the Eagles. So you. I know but you keep. You're saying that. I'm saying stats in your head. In your head.

You're rooting for the Packers.

No, I'm not. I, no. If the packers lose, the Bears win. The p. The Bears will be in first place. Apparently it doesn't matter when you're fighting for seating. Well, no. If we were playing the packers next week, it would maybe be different.

Oh yeah.

Yeah. So this is insane.

It's okay to be wrong.

I think. I'm just saying it's okay that you guys.

Max's problem is that he just can't admit being wrong. And that's all right. Yeah.

This is a stat. This has no feelings. Stats are just no feelings. There's no feelings in a stat.

You're getting mad at numbers, bro.

You're getting mad at numbers. No, I, I, Jared Goff and Dan Campbell are, are 21 and 8 against the spread off a straight up loss. Yeah.

They're going to kick our ass. It's going to be an ass kicking and probably right. Nothing good is going to happen. I, I think that the one way that we could be competitive in this game is if we somehow figure out a way to generate pressure up the middle. And so when Jared's doing his play action have a guy right in Jared's face when he turns around. But if there's not a guy already in his face as he turns around from the play action, he's going to throw for 450 yards against us.

Maybe the. Maybe the field's wet.

Yeah, we could. Yeah, we could lube it up.

Real nice rain at all.

Anything outside that I don't know.

Yeah, it's not gonna be fun.

This, this is one of those weekends and, and fan bases deal with this on a week to week base. Like, there are some weeks that you know that you're about to get your teeth kicked in. And on Sunday morning, you gotta wake up, you gotta. You gotta put on your jersey. You got to put on your, your matching, like, pants and your hat and announce to the world that I am a commander's fan on the way to my own funeral. And you just got to sit there and get your teeth kicked in and be like, well, we suck.

Yeah.

And then that's ready for it. That's for a lot of people watching the NFL. That's. That's every week for them.

Yeah.

And that's just. I. It's my turn. Well, it's my. Watch the clock.

If we're going to spin it one good way. The Lions, if they do demolish the commanders like you expect it to happen, that's good for whoever plays the Lions next week.

Oh, who are they playing next week?

Who are the Lions playing next week? Week. Because then the Lions would be off a really big win.

Yeah. Shut up.

Yeah, they're playing the Eagles.

Oh, are they?

Yes.

Wow. Max, you got to root for the commanders this weekend, buddy.

This is one of the dumbest debates we've ever had, and I just get so much joy out of it.

It was like a throwaway comment that I made. I was just like, man, you probably wish that they had won that game.

We're on episode three of this. I love it so much. You know, back to the Lions are playing the Eagles next week.

I've also been asking everybody that I see in my life what they think about this hypothetical scenario, but you never bring up the fact that it put.

The Eagles on top of the nfc. Yes.

Dude.

What are you going to figure out that we. We manipulate the argument to win it? Like how. How long is it going to take for you to figure that out? I don't care.

I know what, what you do.

I can't help myself. Myself, you know, I can't help myself. And it's going to be. I always leave out. I always leave out the division. The, the conference standards. Never brought up the conference. This is the one Monday night game that we're streaming all year just so that we can talk about this for an entire. For an entire game. I'm gonna drop a bomb on the Eagles because I want.

Max.

I want. I want the birds to just fly. And I don't want. Listen, I don't want to be right. I don't want to be right.

I'll do you one better, Max. You should kind of be room for the Eagles to lose this weekend so you can beat the Lions. That's because if you look at the best rosters, I think that the line. Listen, hear me out, Max. The Lions are probably going to be. In my opinion right now. It's still early. The Lions, I think, are more of a threat to go to the super bowl than the packers are. I know they played week one, but that was. But that was actually what. What happened after the Lions lost to the Packers. Week one.

Max.

I don't care. They. They got good again. They got good. Good again. It's true.

So just something to think about.

Something.

Something to think about. The packers win against the Eagles. They'll be 6, 2 and 1. If the Lions beat the Commanders will be 6 and 3. Then you got to worry. Then you got to beat the Eagle. The Eagles got to beat the Lions. Otherwise they would. Yeah.

You should be thinking about losing the.

Packers just to get yourself ready for the line.

Yeah. On a short week.

This is the hardest schedule ever. When I was looking. When I was looking at it, I saw the Lions playing the Eagles next week. I was like, well, I gotta throw this in my notes.

Max, do you hope that the Commanders beat the Lions? What would your thought be going to play against the Lions next week if the Commanders somehow beat them? I would like the Commanders to beat the Lions. Look at you. Look at you, Commie.

Max.

No, I would like the Commanders to beat the Lions. Rooting for the commies. All of the teams in the top.

Of the NFC to lose.

To be sick. If we beat the Lions and went on a winning streak to end the season and then we. We overtook the Eagles.

Are you going to start rooting against the Bears? Oh, because, Max, they beat the Giants.

Oh, Bears aren't.

Oh, Bears aren't. Okay. If they beat the giants, it'd be 6 and 3.

The Bears aren't even in the playoffs right now.

I understand that. I don't think they're a good team yet, but I'm just saying they're six and three.

I had a fancy question for you guys. Jerry. O', Connell, he. He's been calling me. He was upset that he did not know that Jaden Daniels injured his elbow when he started pounding his chest and being like, look what a great job I am as a fantasy owner. I started Brock Bowers. You'll remember that, Jerry, in the preseason, he said that Jaden was going to break every quarterback record of all time. Jerry asked for permission to release Jaden Daniels from our team today. First of all, Jerry, he never asks us for permission for anything.

That was. That was nice. That was respectful.

I would like to see Jerry keep Jaden Daniels on the team, on the bench.

Yeah.

That way Jaden can get a ring if we win that league.

Does he have an IR spot?

He's got IR spots.

Yeah. So then do it.

So then Jerry, I want Jaden on that team so that he can be a champion at the end of the season.

Yeah, that's fair.

Yeah. IR spot.

Put him on there.

This, this is an order coming from the top.

Okay. Last game, Steelers, chargers. Chargers are three point favorites. Over. Under is 45 and a half. I think since. I think I saw a stat. Since 2008, these teams have just flipped, flopped wins and losses when they play.

That sounds right.

Yeah.

So.

And I think the Steelers won the last one.

Yeah.

And there's also going to be a lot of Steelers fans there.

I would say so.

And also this is the first time Justin Herbert and Aaron Rodgers are playing against each other.

And also Joe Alt is out.

And Joe Alt is out.

And that Pittsburgh defense looked pretty good last week. The pass rush was there. Jalen Ramsey at safety.

So the big thing though is Pittsburgh, the Steelers. Mike Tomlin does like to play in his own. And Justin Herbert shred zones. But maybe Mike Tomlin's changing. I don't know.

I don't think.

Probably.

If I had to bet on whether or not Mike Tomlin was evolving and changing.

Changing it all.

Yeah. It doesn't matter what it is. If it's like the kind of toothpaste that he uses, how he likes his steak cooked, what kind of defense he runs. Nah, no.

Hungry dog. No.

The last, last leg of the hungry dog is the Eagles. Oh, huge, huge Eagles, 49ers Patriots.

So a two day hungry dog. Yep.

Wow.

Yeah, I like. I'm gonna take. I gotta. I gotta ride with the dog.

Let's go. Hungry dog weekend.

Hungry dog weekend.

So wait, you said Steelers, Niners. No, no.

Niners, Eagles, Eagles, Patriots.

Oh, Niners, Eagles, Patriots. Yeah, I like that.

Do it.

I'm doing it.

I'll Opt in. Let's go.

Do you think that the Eagles are gonna be more motivated because they're underdogs? Yeah. Yeah, I think so, too.

Absolutely. Absolutely.

Motivation's a funny thing, which no game.

Has ever been broken down more from a motivational standpoint than this.

Do you think the Lions are rooting.

For the Eagles to win? Wait, no. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, they are.

No, the Lions are not rooting for the Eagles to win because they. They want the. They're in a division race with the packers, so standings obviously matter a lot.

No, but. No, that argument didn't even work. No, he's right. Like, at the end.

You gotta focus on the standings at.

The end of the. No, at the end of the season, like, where the Lions finish when they compare record to record against the packers that, like, the packers are too good right now.

Yeah.

They want the packers to lose no matter what.

Yeah, no matter what.

Yeah.

But if it doesn't matter who they're playing the next week.

Yeah. Yeah.

But the Eagles play the Lions next week. Right? Right. Yeah, but they.

They need.

They need the packers to lose. Yeah. Because they're worried about the division. Right. I don't think you understand the division.

Also, Max, what's so hard about. What's so hard about this? So they want the Eagles to be.

No, it's my bad. I'm not thinking about.

They want the Eagles to beat the packers because they're in a division race with them.

Yeah.

And also they play the Eagles next week.

Right.

So they're gonna be super happy that the Eagles. The Eagles won't be motivated to play this alliance.

Correct. Double win.

This is actually, like, the easiest one of all.

But if the. But if the packers win, then the.

Eagles won't be as motivated against the Lions. No, you're super motivated. I'm getting.

We submitted them this game.

Your game is actually more important to the Lions than it is to either the packers or the Eagles.

The Lions will be tuning into your game more than they tune into their own game. Right.

They got a double header this week. Got it, got it, got it. My brain is. Needs to be better.

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Boys, what are we doing? What do we got? Give us some td. I like George Kittle. Oh, okay. You guys like that? Yeah, that's our. That's our best friend. Love him.

I like that a lot.

Love them. What A little. What about a little bit lad? What about a little lad action? You like lad? I think Lad hasn't scored in a while. If I. Maybe he scored last week. I feel like he's been a little.

He.

He's due is what I'm trying to say.

Yeah, little less.

He's like a little. He's a little shifty in there. He's a little less.

You lose him in the end zone sometimes.

Yeah, exactly.

He blends in.

Yeah. He did not score last week. Okay, Lad, Kittle and then Max build this real quick. Who else?

Okay, lag Kittle and then I. I'm looking at me and memes are the same guy.

What did you guys say?

Well, I'll let BFT say no.

Well, now we have to say it.

Well, you have to say it first.

I'm not.

I'm not going to say anybody in the Lions Commanders game, although you could find a lot of people that you could. You could choose to score there. But I'm looking at the Cardinal, Seahawks. And I'm thinking either JSN or I'm thinking Trey McBride.

Yeah. What do you. What were you guys gonna say?

We were gonna say Kyron.

Oh, I think he's like, even money, which is.

I feel good value for.

I like.

I like McBride.

Yeah. We go a couple. Couple tight ends, then McBride. That's some. That would be some juicy odds, lad. Yup. Kiddle. Yep, we got. Is that right? What is it? 15 to 1. Yeah.

Yeah.

That's pretty good. Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay, let's listen to Jerry's fantasy minute, and then we'll do our picks. By the way, all the Dodgers fans that are just leaving signs saying, let's go Dodgers on his car. Please stop. Don't do that. It's very mean. Please keep doing it.

All right, start the music.

Let's start the music. Beans. I got one minute.

Okay.

Hey, welcome to Boys. We're gonna do something different because Reddit said I was doing this all wrong.

So we're gonna fix it.

We're gonna start savages. People who savages on the Internet, especially Colts fans.

Love you, Seth.

We're gonna sit blind resumes. We're done with that bit, fellas. No more blind resumes.

Sit them.

We're gonna sit 1-800- gambler because Big.

Cat's never calling them after Trevor Lawrence ran in for a touchdown.

Congrats, Big Cat.

We're gonna sit wind turbines because green.

Energy expert Hank said they're not good. So we're gonna sit them. We're also gonna.

Thank you, Jerry.

We're gonna start the people of Indianapolis.

Okay. Come on.

Memes do better.

Love Indianapolis. We're gonna sit the packs trading at the deadline. Yeah, they're receiving. Corks Hard P are super good.

That's did it.

One minute fantasy stuff. Start all the Giants Slayton, Theo Johnson and Davis that running back in the jets because Breece hall isn't going to play. Call 1-800-win Twisted Tea out there. Look at him. Company man.

Was that that Los Angeles grocery store that charges, like, $400 for a strawberry?

Ralph's. I liked Ralph's. Iran Erewhan.

Yeah, I think Jerry's shopping at Arowan.

I like Ralph. Shout out.

Ralph's.

Very funny name. Good job, Jerry. He's. He's. He's streaming.

Streaming. He's streaming all these guys.

Yeah, he's streaming everyone one. I also. We didn't do any blind resumes.

We. Yeah, we haven't done blind resumes in over a day. I think we may have done a Blind resume on Sunday didn't play last week.

So you didn't do a jalen hurts blind resume. That's.

I think you did one reason two days ago.

Yeah, I said only I. We haven't done one in a day. We haven't done one in over in at least one day. That's pretty good.

It's been two days.

Yeah, we're. Listen, we can't just go cold turkey on blind resumes.

No.

Okay, let's go. Picks. What are the standings?

There's a three way tie for last.

Yeah.

Big Cat's in first. You got a good record. 12 and six.

I went two and oh last week because I doubled up on the Bears game.

Big Cat hasn't lost in three weeks.

Oh, Beast, that's guaranteed loss now. Big cat is 12 and 6. I am 10 and 8. Zach is 9 and 9 and then.

Memes, Hank and PFT are all 8 and 10.

I have one in three weeks. Oh, so, so, so bet memes and.

Fade me memes is tanking.

Who's up first? That be Zachary. Zachary. Over a million people listening in the.

In the. In the Falcons Indiana Colts. In the Falcons Colts game, I would.

Like to take the Colts minus six and a half.

That was good.

Nailed it.

In the Falcons Colts game, I would like to take under 48 and a half points.

In the Patriots Bucks game, I'd like to take over 48 and a half.

Man. All right, then I will take the Lions minus seven and a half. Please.

Memes.

I was gonna take that. I was gonna take the Patriots over.

I'll do Ravens, Vikings over 49 and a half. And then I will do the Buffalo Bills. Wait, somebody took that. No, it's my turn. Max's turn. Oh, which one do I get? You got the first one. Okay, cool. The Vikings Ravens over. Cool. I would like. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I would like to take the Chargers minus three.

What's this voice we're using here?

I don't know. Did anyone take Giants Bears over? No, I was taking Giants Bears over.

Good pick. I was going to take that. Good pick. Matt. Thank you. Thank you, thank you. I'll double up then.

Ravens minus three and a half.

By the way, the Giants bears numbers.

Over 46 and a half.

I didn't say that.

On the draftkings.

I will take the wonder colts Falcons under 48 and a half. I already took that. That's not in London.

It's in Germany.

Berlunder. I will take the.

I don't know, man.

Give me something gross. Give me the jets Browns over 37 and a half. I like it. Hank.

Did someone take the Niners? No one took the Niners. I think the Niners plus four and a half.

Good pick.

Pick.

Nice pick.

Thank you.

I think I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna take the Carolina Panthers.

Oh.

Minus five and a half.

Ballsy.

Minus five and a half. Keep pounding.

Keep pounding.

Who's beating the drum this weekend?

Hopefully the.

The Yummix.

No, Mike, the guy who does the raps. Fucking awesome.

Oh, Carolina. Mike. Carolina Mike's pretty great. I would like to see Meow Mix beat the drum at some point.

That would be cool. This year.

That'd be great. Do the right thing, Panthers.

Zach.

Is he over in the Steelers Charger game still available?

I believe it is. Who's playing in that game?

It's going to be the Steelers and the Chargers.

Okay. Where are they from?

I would like to see Aaron Rodgers.

Get the end zone. I want to see some. Gonna be good.

That number is 45. 45 and a half. Where are the teams from? Zach, give us the official pick.

Pittsburgh Steelers in the Los Angeles Chargers. I mean, over Zach. I thought that your analysis you just gave that game was awesome.

Thanks.

Pft. Yeah, it's very funny.

Great job. Okay, let's get it to Chris Long and then we'll finish with Firefest.

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Okay. We now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest, our good friend Chris Long from the greenlight pod. You can see him every single week. Does an incredible job, breaks down all the games, talking ball, talking just friendship. Great time. His Virginia Cavaliers are right now. If the playoffs started would be in the playoffs. He also, which I haven't even. We haven't even said this to you but you just so you know, a heads up, the book that we're writing for pmt, you are going to have to write a chapter as our first guest ever. It's great to see you. Do you want to start with Virginia? You want to. Is Virginia for real? Are you guys going to the playoffs?

I think we are, dude. Like, that's what $20 million will do for a team. I guess if. If we pay the players, you know, we can win too. So. Yeah, I'm. I'm all in. Although I've been on Stanford Steve's ass to try to get game day. Not that I make a difference, but, like, you know, I tried to FaceTime last night because my son was like, why don't we get game day? I said, why don't you ask Uncle Steve?

I love that. That's a great move.

Yeah, we can start that movement. I'll sign up for that.

Do you guys have a big game coming up?

We got Wake Forest this weekend. We have Virginia, we have Duke. We have Virginia Tech, though. You know, we barely ever beat them.

Yeah.

But I think this year we're gonna beat them. Yeah, I have a good feeling.

It's really the. The autumn of Chris Long. All your former NFL teams are doing well, too.

Yeah.

If you had to do one guy dude for like, the.

Yeah, I guess they are.

If you had to pick one that you would eliminate one. Gotta go. All of Chris Long's former teams. The Eagles, the Patriots, the Rams. Which one are you? Which one are you putting off to the side?

Is this like a Mary Kill situation?

Kind of.

But you're two of them and you just have to kill one.

Okay. And I'm killing, like, this year's team based on, like, the. The aspirations this year team. I probably. I hate to say it because I just have so much respect for the Rams and the Eagles just won a Super Bowl. It's going to be like, I love the Pats. I think they're great. I think even most Pats fans would tell you, you know, love to see a little bit of a bigger sample size, but they have been. Drake May is fantastic. I think Josh is doing a great job, too. And since Gonzalez got back, that defense is tough as well. That's a tough deal you just hit me with.

Yeah. So I just. I just looked it up. By the way, this is actually insane. Your four teams are 27, and that's some really fun football. 27. Wow. Your four teams combined.

Yeah. And like the teams and, you know, like the teams that I. You know, every year there's, like, teams you hit your wagon to as a, like an analyst or podcaster, like the Bucks are one this year for me. They've been winning a bunch of close games. I made them. I put them real far in that, you know, when you pick the super bowl or, like, whatever before the season, you're just throwing darts. But I put the Bucks in the super bowl, and I'd love to look smart, you know, if it's not going to be my Birds, then why not the Bucks?

Yeah.

So they're playing really well, too.

I do have an important question for you because we talked about Big Dom and the Eagles and the story of him going to the hospital and. And welcoming Cam Scatter Boo, giving him some pizza, some cannolis, being like, don't say nothing. Keep your mouth shut. Cam, I love you. And we got into a debate on this show because Hank was saying that he might have done that performatively. I don't know if you had any experience with Big Dom paying a visit to the hospital if an opponent got injured and went there while you were in Philly, or if a player from the team. But Hank seemed to think that it was. It wasn't like a common thing that he did. He only did it to get his name in the headlines, which I. I disagreed with.

Well, wouldn't he be visiting, like, everybody in the hospital? Wouldn't it be, like one of these fucking, like. Like, make a wish things if. If, you know, like, Dom would be at the hospital every week if he wanted attention? There's just something about Scatter Boo that he likes. And who knows? It could be like a horse's head situation.

Right?

Right. Like, you know, maybe it wasn't just delivering calzones. Maybe he got back to his room and there was. There was a horse's head in the bed. He.

He was like, hey, listen, Kim, if anyone comes and asks you, you fell down the stairs. You didn't get. You didn't get hurt on the job.

You know, you look like you're comfortable, but I. I imagine that this wouldn't be a place that you'd like to ever go back to. It'd be a real shame if, you.

Know, you'd hate to come back here.

So.

Yeah, it'd be a real shame. And it'd be a shame if Hank were just being a hater.

Yeah, it would be.

It would be a shame. Although he's. It's. It's. We need it for the ecosystem hater. Hank is all the way back. I got a question for you about the trade deadline. We had it this week. What is it? What happens in a locker room after the trade dead because I, I think we kind of overrated a little bit. And I don't know maybe if that's wrong, like from the outside looking in, like, you know, the jets trade Sauce Gardner and Quinn and Williams, everyone's like, well, the jets just stink now. Well, they kind of stunk before. I don't know. I don't think it's going to change much. So is, is there like a drastic change in the locker room when you add a guy or send off a guy?

Well, I've been a part of too many teams that were like big time buyers or sellers at the deadline. Like when I was in Philly and I started being on like, good teams, you know, we were trying to make moves. Like we brought in an 18. We brought in like Golden Tate or Jay Ajai the year before. And I might be forgetting a couple moves that Howie made. But like, I think more than anything is just a kind of a declaration, like a public declaration of where the team's going. Not that you needed the nudge in New York. They're like 1 and 7, right? But like when you show up on, on Tuesday or whatever it is, or Wednesday and you know, the two best players on your defense are gone, like, that kind of says something and, you know, as if it weren't like, buckle in and we gotta, we gotta find something to be motivated about to finish this season. Like, you know, the thing I like about and the thing I don't get about the whole jets discourse is like, I heard Kyle Brandt talking about this yesterday and he's ranting and raving about, hey, it doesn't matter.

The picks don't matter until they have a good quarterback, it doesn't matter. Did they not draft Sam Darnold?

Yeah, right.

It's not just about the quarterback. It's about building the program the right way. And, you know, I'm actually a fan of, for the receiving team, especially the Sauce Gardner trade. I think both teams win in that situation. Although it's not like kind of common to trade away lockdown corners.

Yeah, yeah, I know. I love the move for the Colts. That was their, their secondary was definitely a weakness. And now they got another dude and Lou Annemar. I can't ever say his name.

Sweet Lou.

Sweet Lou.

He's never had corners. He's never had corners like this, right?

And when he has, you know, that Bengals team that went to the super bowl when he had good players, like, he is a really good defensive coordinator. And I think that was a smart move by the Colts. To be like, hey, these opportunities don't come along very often where it looks like our offense is going to be able to compete with anyone. Let's take advantage of this. Let's try to win a Super bowl this year. Dude.

The player in me is always like, let's go get it. And as an analyst is hard because I'll be. And Brandon Bean hates this because you heard him talking about it. It's like fantasy football. And Madden has ruined the trade deadline where everybody thinks it's going to be like the NBA every year or whatever. But as a player, I always want to go for it. And, and I do think like the Pittsburgh game, they didn't play great. You're not going to turn the ball over six times every game. Like that's not in the game plan. It was crazy to me sitting in a room full of guys as you probably were watching that game. How many dudes in unison when Daniel Jones threw like his second pick said, there he is.

Yeah.

Like, which sucks for Daniel Jones because he really has played great this year under pressure, the whole thing. Steichen, you know, he'll scheme up man beaters with the best of them. It's hard. It's hard to play these guys in the run phase, in the pass phase. I thought Pittsburgh matched up well, they got some big physical guys in the secondary, played Jalen at safety, which was a little wrinkle. I guess what I'm saying is the Colts shouldn't be discouraged by that game. They should take that next step, which they did in trying to like cash in on this window. You've got a bunch of guys under contract over the next couple years. Another thing this means is Daniel Jones is probably getting paid.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Which is a pretty wild thing that happened fast. But I like their defense. You get Kenny Moore inside, you bring in Bynum. You've got two lockdown corners outside who have the size and versatility of playing loose game. And I always say this, you cannot manufacture coverage. You can manufacture pass rush. So for a team that's not elite rushing the passer, this is going to help guys like Latu a lot.

Yeah. What comes first, the pass rush or a strong secondary because they feed off each other. Right. Like if you've got a great pass rush, you can take an average secondary, make them look great. If you have an average pass rush, sometimes you can take, you know, with an elite secondary, you can, you can make the pass rush look a little bit better than it is. So. Yeah. What comes first?

Mostly I think it's you know, and this is a former pass rusher. I guess maybe my, my bias is like I've played with, with less than great corners behind me at times and like, you know, the, the fractions of time when you win, it can be so frustrating. The difference between a sack and a pressure is, you know, it's, it's a lot when it comes to like the court of public opinion, but it really isn't much when it comes to what you're doing as a rusher. So we see it all the time. Like, I think Denver is an example of really good rush and amazing coverage. Right. Like, you don't get that all the time. I just think like if you put two lockdown corners outside and you can man up which, which and you can press which kind of increases that kind of fractions of time equation we always used to talk about. Then I think it is coverage and then rush. That's why like, if I had an opportunity at, you know, like a generational pass rusher with nobody behind him or a generational corner with decent rushers up front, I'm taking the generational corner.

Yeah, I got a question about the Lions. They lose that game to the Vikings. Are the Lions okay? Because I think we think they're okay. But that was a weird one, especially with the Vikings be able to stop their run and like is. You know, the Lions have had a couple games where they played the Chiefs. They got kind of, kind of handled by the Chiefs. I'm going to football. They come back, they beat the Bucks. That was very nice game for them. But there's been a couple points where it's like, I think the Lions are good. I think they're okay. But just some weird situations where it's like, are we sure their offense is humming the way that we think it is? Because, you know, beating up the Bengals doesn't really get you credit.

No, the Bengals, the league should honestly hire the Bengals to play this just, just this way, like every week.

Yeah.

Because they made a game exciting. They made that Bears game incredible last week. It is insane. But I just for the Lions, and this isn't me waffling because I did take the packers to win the division. And I still think the Lions are a playoff team and I still think they're one of the NFC elites, but they're not who they were last year. You know, like, it is hard to make the transition from coordinator to coordinator. Their scripts have been very good. They start the game strong. But. But at times, like the play calling aspect of it leaves something to be desired. You know, I think the interior offensive line is the big theme, right? We, we all love Jared Goff. Think he's a fucking stud, right? Like this didn't take anything away from him, but pressure up the middle at his feet is kind of his worst enemy. And you know, you can look at metrics to say he's great under pressure and that sort of thing, but if he's got to move off his platform and if he gets the feeling that, hey, that wall is not being set in the middle of the pocket like he's accustomed to, it is a big difference.

Like, like Glasgow playing center is way different than Ragnow playing center. I think Ratledge is great, but Mahogany just left on a cart last week and Ratlich has been injured, Decker's been injured. I just think schematically you saw this last week be flow and the Vikings took a step forward, right? Like they, they, they blitzed the. Out of those guys and not even like to their standard every week from a volume standpoint, but just the precision with which they attack the A gaps. Jameer Gibbs gave up like seven pressures. So teams are onto this problem. I think schematically the Vikings gained some ground because you got a first time play caller. I think the packers, from a physicality and a roster standpoint, gain ground. So. And I think the quarterback in Chicago who we. If I like just yesterday, Dan, you were on my show like, I'm fucking done, dude.

That was after this, after week two. It was, it was scary hours. And then I, and then I found the gateway and I've been. The gateway's been correct. I was like, hey, this team can put it back together. But yeah, it's, it's been. The Bears are, they're not going to win the NFC north because I don't trust the defense. But I've been saying for a while now, Ben Johnson has clearly changed the culture. And it's, it's clear this team is fighting in a way that, you know, that Bengals game, they would have lost. They would have, it would have been like a 4th and 18 and Justin Fields getting sacked or Caleb Williams getting sacked to end the game. They, they're, they're fighting in a way that they haven't fought in the last couple regimes.

Well, dude, they run the ball great, which is one of the reasons I text you last week and I was like, yo, I'm betting the out of the Bears. And then for like 35 seconds at the end of that day, although you were busy making like an Untold amount of money on that jersey. Jerry Parlay, my. I was freaking out. It's the same thing this week. Like, they run the out, outside zone. The Giants give up a bunch of explosives. They have a bunch of explosives on the ground. Like, I love that. But what I was going to say is the running back or the quarterback, Caleb Williams, like, I don't think it's unreasonable to say he's the most talented quarterback in the division. Talented. You know, there's people that look at Jordan Love's big arm and that sort of thing, and they say, like. But he's got a different kind of talent. Like, the extension of plays, the throwing off, off platform, like, that's big in today's NFL. The athleticism, the extension of plays. I like Caleb, dude. And I think, honestly, like, like, you look up in two years and you might be really well positioned in this division, so.

Yeah, and you said it. You said it. I saw the left tackle, 79, dry block somebody into the bench last week attitude.

Yeah, yeah. No, no, no. Yeah, yeah. Left is Benedict. He's struggled a little bit. Darnell Wright was throwing people out the club, too.

But Darnell Wright, he has turned into Penn a soul.

Yeah, he was.

He was ready to make that lead. But I think Darnell Wright should be talked about just about in the same light. I think he's fucking fantastic. So I guess I'm just saying Detroit, they're used to a certain luxury when you're the big bad wolf in the division and you're so physical. But like the, The. You know that. Okay. Over the last three games, I think look at their. Their yards per carry. I mean, look at Gibbs yards per carry. You take away, I think the 78 yard run against Tampa.

Yep.

Which is a big if ifs were a fifth thing. But, like, they're just not productive on a consistent basis on early downs. And so, you know, and the secondary, we haven't even talked about that. Like, there's a bunch of dudes off the street. There's a bunch of dudes that, you know, and they just play, man. And like, they, you know, the Tampa game. I'm sorry, I'm rambling, but the Tampa game, Baker played as bad as Baker could have played and he missed a lot of those schemed up opportunities. JJ didn't even play that great. Just took advantage of something.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think this is a get right week, though, for the Lions. I feel like you could not. You could not draw this up any better for the Lions than they. Yeah, we were Talking about this earlier this week, how the Commanders, They've now lost three games in a row by 21 or more points, which you'd have to go back to 2020 to find a team that did that. And then they're on the verge of potentially losing a fourth to the Lions, who. Who desperately need a win. And you'd have to go back to 2002 to find a team. And I feel like with that Commander's defense right now, especially the Commander secondary, this feels like it could be a huge week for Detroit.

I like the Commander. I mean, I do. I do. I like the Commander. I hate it because it's like you just. It's the NFL. You lose three times in a row by 21 feels like a zag. Everyone's like, holy, this team is garbage. It's trash. It's terrible.

One thing Big Cats forgetting is that last week the Lions lost, so now they're really, really hungry to put it on.

This is the tough thing about this spot because you're kind of like, you know, it's unstoppable force versus immovable object. You know, the team that's mad that you lost in the playoffs and just lost, right. Committed like 20 fucking penalties. And Dan Campbell's probably corporal punishing everybody in the building this week. Just like flogging dudes, man. And then it's the other team who's been getting the brakes beat off him. But I think, I think it's a stay away for this reason, guys.

Okay?

I think it's just stay away. I think like, we. I've been to a stay away. There's a lot on the board I like this week. Dude.

Yeah. By the way, so PFT alluded to it. Is there anything to be said about a team, you wanting to play a team off a win instead of off of a loss? Because a team off of a loss, especially if they're like the Lions or Packers this past week where they were heavy, heavy favorites losing outright, they're going to be more focused, right?

Yeah. I mean, you think so well coached. Teams are always. Are always locked in. But you know, I think sometimes in the NFL it's an interesting thing. Like we would lose a game and you know you're going to get ripped, right? But when you win and the things you're not doing well, like as. As much as coaches try to coach, honestly, they do at the NFL level, sometimes coach off the result. So like our D line could have played the best game in the world, but if we lost and there's Yelling in every the way an NFL meeting room is. Like, it's a hallway full of meeting rooms. And you can, if you go out, take a piss in the middle of a meeting after like a shitty game on a Monday, you hear screaming in each room. And, you know, certain rooms scream more than other rooms, like offensive line coaches and that sort of thing. Or a DB coach D line coaches are big on, like, whatever the weather is in the building. We're just going to act this way because there's really not a lot to coach in that room. It's just like, hey, did you set the edge?

Did you not? Do we get a pass rush? So a lot of times I used to hate, like, you'd come in after win if we play or a loss if we played well, coach would coach off the result. I think a loss can do a lot to force coaches and players to have tough conversations.

Yeah.

And so, you know, I, I, I think sometimes it's cliche to talk about it, but, but it is true. There's something to being that pissed off team.

Yeah.

That's coming off a bad loss. And in Detroit's case, they're going to play really well this weekend compared to last week. But they have personnel issues that they're not used to. Like in the past, you could say, oh, Dan's just going to decide they're going to skull this team.

Yeah.

But this year it's like, if you've got problems inside, like, that's kind of the domino for your whole offense.

Yeah.

Yeah. Another big topic of the NFL this year has been soft benching. I think this is the first year that we've ever, like, that term's really caught on this year. So now we're just saying that everything is soft benching, everything that we see. Have you ever been soft bench and did you know that there was a thing as a soft benching until this season?

Well, the nice thing about being a defensive lineman is, like, even when you get soft bench, you kind of still get to play, you know, because we rotate so much. And I can remember like, like, you know, in the middle of my career, things are going great. I'm pardon my take guest all the time. Like, things are like, I'm playing well, I'm a captain on my team, you know, just all the, all the good stuff. And I got hurt like two years in a row and tried to play hurt, like, just played like terrible tape. And Greg Williams kind of sat me down, like when I came back off my injury and was like, you're not Like, I can't. It's not fair. Like, the way you're running around out there to. For you to start.

Start.

Right? And so, like, I just was the second guy off the. I. It was behind William Hayes. You guys remember William Hayes, who's one of my best friends, and they put William Hayes in to start the game. And I'd come in off the bench like, this was the last half year of my St. Louis career. And, like, it wasn't like, made to be a big deal, but I'm not a quarterback. Like, I don't know what that feels like to be the quarterback. That's kind of like. Everybody knows that the collar thing is clearly, it's over a soft bench.

It's over.

It's over.

It's over there in Arizona. Like, that's because I think. I think Gannon even said if he was healthy, he'd go with Jacoby Brissette. So it's like, it's over.

It's got to be over. Dude, I've seen enough of the same movie there. And. And I think the thing I feel bad for Jonathan Gannon on is, like, I think he's a good coach. I didn't love the, like, shoving dudes thing. And, you know, like, I also think you can make mistakes, but that defense is really, actually pretty good.

Yeah.

And. And they're one of the most unheralded, unheralded groups in the league. And they got good cover guys. You know, my boy Josh Sweat coming on down there, I think he's got, like, seven sacks. And so I think this team's going to be a dangerous team. But, like, Arizona, Seattle, what's that line at right now?

Like, I. I like the Cardinals plus six and a half. And that's too many points. It's too many points. And it's also just going off. My basic theory of if a team, like, played a perfect football game on prime time, just go against them. And the Cardinals, obviously, the Cardinals played primetime as well, but that wasn't a perfect game against the Cowboys. The Seahawks played a perfect game against the Commanders. That was. That first half was a perfect football half. Dude.

It was like playing somebody that. It was like playing somebody in a video game that's. That's never played the game. Yeah, it was crazy to me, like, how easily they were scoring, the explosives, everything. And I just. Yeah, so we're talking about Arizona. Another thing I like is Trey McBride starting to catch touchdowns. Yeah, like. Like Jacoby Brissette has found. And I Love Marvin Harrison Jr. I think he gets way too much shit. But. But, like, Trey McBride's their weapon. Like, he's their ace. Like, how the does that guy not score, you know, eight, 10 touchdowns a year? And I think he's got, like, three or four since Jacoby took over, so I like that. And you got to realize, like, their run game took a step back from last year, like, and they're still playing a lot better in this scenario. They've had injuries in the backfield. Like, yeah, stick with Jacoby.

Yeah, I love the dude on the Seahawks side of that. I do feel like the Seahawks are legit. And the addition of Rashid Shahid, that's like, that's perfect for that because he's going to have the opportunity to do what he does, which is get downfield and just be super fast and not. Not be coverable. And I feel like the Seahawks right now, if I'm looking at the nfc, I'm putting them right. I think I might put them top three in the NFC right now in terms of who can make the Super Bowl.

Yeah, dude. Because their defense is. And I don't want to take anything away from Sam because I think he's playing actually better than he played last year, which didn't surprise me because I think their offensive line's better than the offensive line that the Vikings fielded the back half of the year, and that's probably factors into how they made that decision to move on from him. But, like, he didn't have a full deck. I think if you look at Clint Kubiak, who's there as the offensive coordinator now, he was in New Orleans last year. Look at the way they use Shahid early in the year. I mean, he was going off. I think there's going to be a lot of fun for them. They can already stretch the field a little bit because of jsm, but, like, who's the one stretching the field for Shahid or jsn? Like, you can kind of play high, low games with those guys. Barner is a hell of a tight end, and hopefully with all this speed, it gets people off of them so they can run the football, because they actually haven't run the football that well this year.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They're always playing, like, a hot, cold game with the running backs where it's like, okay, hopefully Kenneth Walker's gonna have a good night. Okay. Maybe it's charming his night. And it takes him sometimes, like, a quarter and a half, a full half of football to figure out whose night it really is going to be. And by that time, it can be just too late to get the running game going. But, yeah, I'm, I'm buying big time on the Seahawks. Right.

I got a question for you about. You mentioned Jonathan Gannon. Hands on the player. Where, where do you land on that? Are you, are you a hop on Twitter and be like, don't like this. If anyone ever put their hands on me, I'd kill them. You don't do this, or is it more. No, hey, look, it's a passionate sport. You probably shouldn't do it, but shit happens on the sideline.

Well, I think baked into my analysis is the acknowledgment that there are plenty of dudes on a 53 man roster who are going to want to choke the coach.

Yes.

Like, and maybe I'm one of them in that situation, but I'm not going to get on Twitter and like, you know, huff and puff and put my chest out. The problem is, like, you know, I don't really like either reaction, which is the, like, oh, I'm gonna find Jonathan Gannon in the parking lot and beat him up, or the reaction of the dude that never played a sport, hadn't played a sport since high school, being like, hey, toughen the fuck up, NFL player. Like the, you know, coaches put their hands on kids. I'm like, yeah, maybe on your youth football team. But like, we're adults and this is a workplace. And, and, you know, it's kind of a slippery slope. If I, if I don't like something a coach says, do I get to put my hands on the coach?

Right.

You know, I think it's funny because fans always find a way to side against the, the working class, if you know what I mean, Relatively speaking, in that situation, they always take the side of the coach or the, you know, the GM or whoever it is, anything but the player. And that was a soup. It was a stupid fucking play. But, you know, you could have avoided all that by just taking them out of the game.

I do think there's. You said the workplace. It's funny because I do think one of the disconnects that happens between fans and players and fans in like, professional sports is how much you're. Yes, you're playing a sport. Yes, it's, it's. You're getting paid millions of dollars, but how much of your existence day to day is truly like work. Like, you are going to the office from nine to five, you are doing. Yeah, it's totally different. Everyone would love to do it. It's, it's not saying that it's not the best job in the world, but at the end of the day, like, you are. You. You guys are going to work, and you're like, everyone assumes that players are best friends with each other. Like, no, they're coworkers. So there are some.

The funny thing is, the funniest thing is, like, people will be like. You know, when you're like, hey, we work really fucking hard, they're like, not as hard as a Marine in Afghanistan.

Understand?

That's true.

I'm like, okay, well, what about, like, an accountant?

Yeah. Who's watching? Who's. Yeah, who's watching? Like, who's hanging out watching Barstool all day? Which I. I love that. I love that guy.

Yeah. Which is great. And, like, I'm now in the private sec. You know, a private sector. I'm. I'm civilian.

Yeah.

Yeah. I'm. Quote, unquote, I'm not. You know, I'm not laying my life on the line for the NFL anymore. But, like, you know, like, work is hard. It's hard for everybody. I mean, like. But that's a different kind of stress, dude. Like, that's a different. I don't think I realized until I got out how. How wired we all are in that scenario. Like, they're just things that are not acceptable at any other workplace in America. And, like, you know, it is funny to me that people always want to compare it to, like, the people that obviously we can't compare to, which are, like, police officers or first responders or, like, you know, Marines or something. Like, it's a fucking hard job, and guys are on edge, and, like, you got to be able to control your emotions. Players and coaches, like, you just don't. You don't put your hands on anybody in a situation like that. It's not that hard.

Yeah, the. Actually, the. And this is not saying that we're comparable, but probably the only place you could compare it to is Barstool Sports. And the fact that we have, like, we had a controversy of Max putting his hands on Hank in the gambling cave. And everyone was like. We had a lot of people who were like. Like, I would slap the. Out of Max if that happened to me. It's like, dude, they're friends. Like, they get emotional. I mean, care.

Meek, Phil and Clear. Yeah, sometimes when you get. You get two alphas in a room, sometimes they butt heads.

You can't do anything about it.

You gotta let them sort it out. Like bull elephants out in the wild. And then, you know, nature actually There's a third type of guy. There was a guy that, like you said, would be like, oh, you know, back in my day, my. My coaches used to beat me up, and I turned out fine. Also. They turned out not in the NFL.

Oh, yeah, that's the best. I turn out fine. I'm like a 50 year old tweeting drunk or something.

Yeah.

I'm just. I'm just cussing at Chris Long on Twitter because I'm pissed off because an NFL head coach should be able to push one of his players. Yeah, I'm good. I. I think the bigger highlight in that is that it says a lot about how Gannon looks at DeMarcado, because I don't think he would have done that to Josh Sweat.

Yeah, no, you're right about that. There is something to that. And people always say, say, what about Andy Reid and Kelsey? Like, okay, now we're. Now there's nuance where these guys have been together for 20 years, and they are kind of like equals. Like, Travis Kelsey and Andy Reid are kind of equals. Dude. And, you know, D. Mercado, who, you know, might get cut, he's fumbled a ball in the goal line. Like, it'd be one thing. And honestly, like, players, coaches, you know, if coach comes up, slaps. This is interesting, nuanced discussion about touching players. But, like, if you come up and you put both fists on the shoulder pads. Come on, man. Like, there's some hype in the guy up to that. Or even if you give him, you know, a pat on the back, like on the way. Yeah. Or you touch his helmet just a little bit.

Yeah.

But it was the way that Gannon kind of twisted his body.

Yeah, yeah.

You'd see the frustration. It was almost like he was spanking him.

Yeah, yeah.

Like, when you get the hip twist in there, you want to. You want to avoid that.

Yeah.

And I actually don't love how the Cardinals handled it either. They find Gannon, like, the team find them. And so now everybody, all the players are like, well, this guy's not calling the shots. He just got. He just got bitched by the ownership.

Yeah, I. It's a mess. And that's just why. It's further evidence, why you just don't draw attention to your team that way. You know, it's so funny, people, the same guys that are like, you know, they're the first ones to blame players when there's a distraction, which is, you know, the most misunderstood word in the NFL, are the ones defending the guy who's got the media crowded around the podium on Tuesday because he pushed a fucking player. Yeah, like, just avoid that bullshit.

Have you ever been distracted? I do love that term when it comes to football. Like, oh, this guy, he's a locker room distraction.

Like, everyone's going to work distracted. By setting my NBA fantasy lineup up, I swear to God, I use. We used to play NBA Fantasy, like, heavy, dude. We used to re. Rent out the. The Ritz Carlton ballroom and have our drafts with, like, it was a big deal. It was kind of like in. What's the movie where. Where Paul Rudd's doing. He's. He's doing the fantasy baseball draft and then he drafts Nomo and his wife shows up and she's all pissed off. What's that movie?

I love you, man. Yeah.

I love you, man.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I to want to watch Spider man too. Like, it was like a big deal. We had, like, in person drafts and like, Joel on Dunbar and Cortland Finnegan, but that is tough to keep track of. And on Sunday mornings, like, I swear, sometimes I come back in from warm ups and set my lineup.

Yeah.

Fans would not be happy about.

Yeah.

NBA fantasy is. It's a different beast. I tried doing it one year and it's. This is way too much work for me. We should do. We should do dingers only, but for dunks. Yeah, only dunks.

Yeah. Yeah, dunks only. We gotta track it, dude.

I can't even remember to set my fantasy lineup, by the way. I'm in that Tommy alter league, which is basically he. He holds me at gunpoint every year and is like, be in my fantasy league. Like, and. And I don't even set my lineup. I'm in there. We're in there with like. Aren't you in there?

Yeah, I'm in there.

Isn't like, Tim Robinson in there?

Tim Robinson's in there. I'm trying to. Pablo Torres in that. I think. I think Pablo Torres in first place.

You might not want to be in a group text with Pablo Torrey. He might hack into your mainframe. Jesus.

What? Wait, is. Is. Is there money involved in this league?

Yeah, there's some money.

Okay. Because that's the thing is too. Is like, you can't. I can't do a fantasy league if people invite me and it's like, you know, 100 bucks. Like, I'm not gonna check it. I'm just not gonna check it.

No, there has to be a punishment. Good fantasy team leagues are or, you know, defined by the punishment. But also this. I didn't Draft my team. Because Tommy kept changing the fucking day like he always does, and I had a recreational day lined up. I'm not going to change my schedule for, you know, the fourth league that I'm in.

I. I do think Chris and I are aligned in that league, that our main goal is to just beat Tommy. I think that's your team name. Is.

My team name is Beat Tommy. I'm tired of it, bro. I'm tired of the pictures. I'm tired of all his cool friends.

Yeah.

Him making me be in the league. And then. And then. And then he's like, hey, I notice you haven't paid. I'm like, bro, I didn't ask to be in the.

You pay.

I do love Tommy, but he is. He's the man. Dude, this is like his little playhouse that he invented where he's like, okay, I'm gonna. I'm gonna get all my friends together and make them play against each other while I watch. Yeah, it's kind of sick stuff.

Yeah, it is.

I know. It's crazy, dude. It's crazy.

All right, Chris, I have one last question for you. This has been awesome. Always love having you on. We're gonna do it again.

That's good.

Go listen to the green light pod with Chris, and he's got our guy Stanford. Steve on making his is. Is the man facts.

Yeah. This is whole.

He's got to be. Making's got to be going nuts about Virginia.

Oh, he is going nuts.

We.

We went to the Virginia gate. We went to the Florida State game, which I don't really go a lot, like, not. Not being too cool. I just like. I like watching from home. Yeah, but I rushed the field with him. He. He talked me into rushing the field, which was sick. And some FSU players. Mom cussed us out because we rushed through the. The Florida State section. But Macon was going nuts, dude. He was skipping on the field. It was.

It was.

It was maybe the best field rush of all time.

Also fastest.

It looked a little scary.

Yeah.

Oh, dude, there was a guy that disappeared in the white. Yeah. Is he okay? Did he make it out of there?

No, we haven't seen him since.

It's in a milk carton.

He's gone forever. Okay, last question. Roback question. Rho, B, A C k.com promo code take 20 off your first purchase. Q, zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code take week 10. Give us if you want to go one or two best bets games you're looking at maybe Most interesting games. You don't have to. I don't want to. I don't want to put you on the spot and have it be a pick that everyone's like, oh, Chris steered us the wrong way, but maybe something you're feeling.

No. And, you know, for the record, if I. If I blow this up, I. I was five and, oh, last week, so. All right. I. I really like the Ravens.

Really.

I think the Ravens roll this week, and. Yeah, I do. I think Detroit played so poorly last week, and people are overvaluing Detroit, and I feel like since Kyle Hamilton's been unleashed in the box. I also like the Draymond Jones trade. I think this team knows that they have no margin for error. Lamar's back. It's like, it's time to go, man. And. And, you know, I think I hit my stack guy up a little bit earlier. I'll give you one little nugget here.

Yeah, I mean, also off that. I like that as well. Just, you can't blitz Lamar. And Brian Flores likes to blitz Detroit.

Detroit did that well, but that was a funky spot.

They did.

Vikings defense versus scrambles this season. 30th in success rate allowed. 29th and EPA per play allowed, 27th in yards per play allowed. And. And so I. I really like the Ravens. I also like the Bucks. Okay, good time.

That's another one where actually, off of that, I. I'm curious because I was looking at some numbers, and Drake May's been phenomenal against the blitz this year. Todd Bowles wants the blitz. Is a guy like Todd Bowles a good enough, different enough blitzer? Like, is it a situation where he will throw stuff at Drake May? The Drake May has never seen before. It's not just, hey, Drake May's good against the blitz. Todd Bowles blitz. The Drake May is going to kill him.

Well, I think. I think it's like Todd Bowles prefers to man up and be aggressive, like, if he can. And one of the reasons he was so giddy this offseason was like, hey, we young, you know, man to man corners, which, you know, the last couple years, at times, he's had to be out of character. I think it's mostly about, like, those young offensive linemen who have been good. I think Will Campbell's a good player, man. I think he's going to be a really good player in this league for a long time. But, you know, they've given up some pressure. Last week, they gave up some. Some pressure on twists and stunts. So I just feel like in A game like this, I'm going to trust the more proven commodity. And if the Pats beat them, great, man. That's a big win for them. You know, they can hang that up there with the Bills win, because they are. They are a team that I respect a lot.

Yeah, I got one more kind of like, detailed football question for me, for you. But it's more about us being dumb and not really understanding when people dive deep into the numbers. I've seen a lot of discourse recently about 13 personnel. Yeah, about 12 personnel. Yeah, I understand what the numbers mean. We learned that, like, four years ago. I think we retained that pretty well. It's one running back, three wide receivers or one running back, two wide receiver, two tight ends. Sorry, tight ends, tight ends.

We're almost there.

I almost. I almost got it 90 of the way there.

Why.

Why are we talking about this all of a sudden? And which teams are the smartest in using those things?

That's a great question. Pft. We've heard. We've heard Greg Olson talking about this, and I think there's. There's something to be said for teams that get heavy, Right. So you match their personnel, and by get heavy, I mean two tight ends on the field, 12, 13 personnel. You employ the, you know, the opposing defensive coordinator to put a third linebacker on the field, Right?

Yeah.

And then you throw the ball on them. And, you know, one of the cases that's being made right now is that, you know, Seattle, who likes a bunch of tight ends on the field, likes these bigger sets because they like play action. They like a lot of bodies on the edge to slow rushers down, which is why I think they're, bro. They're brilliant that way, but, you know, like, they get in those. Those deals to. To throw the ball. And so when I think about, like, using 12 personnel, that's a perfect example, like, get heavy and pass. And then there's teams that refuse to. To get heavy defensively and you run the ball on them, ideally, you know, so. So I think that's the biggest thing. I, I don't think there's. I don't think there's a ton of great defenses in the middle of the field in the NFL. So, like, look at the Bills. That game last week was. Was amazing. And I'm going to get off in a second, but, like, it. You know how the whole thing is, like. Yeah, but the Bills are going to lose in the playoffs. Here's the Bill's best hope is, like, I don't know what Kansas City does To cover the tight ends.

Yeah.

Because with Reed, their safety going to New Orleans, like they're down a cover guy. They're not a great rush football team. Pass rush outside of Chris Jones. Like that to me is like the Bills have owned the middle of the field. How do the Bills continue to win, you know, without great wide receivers outside? They own the middle of the field. And so if they get in these two and three tight end sets more so two. Two tight end sets. And they used a fullback a lot last week. Like you saw Gilliam on, like those lead plays. Like that's coming back a little bit. And I like it, man.

Yeah.

Because as a rusher, I don't like that. It's not that tight ends are big and strong. They're in the way and they make you adjust your angles like they make you get outside of them, fit in a crease, like whatever, you know, it's just. There's more traffic.

Yeah. Yeah.

That's why I like Arroyo. He's. He's a big dude that can be on the end of that line in Seattle. And he's also a great pass catcher.

Yeah. And they ask all those guys to block. That's why, like, Cooper cup came in and that sort of thing, which, you know, it's cool to see guys bought in block. And how about shout out to Mercedes Lewis too.

Yeah.

Still doing it. Yeah.

Incredible.

Incredible. All right, Chris, you're the best, man. Thank you. Hope to see you soon. And. And everyone go subscribe. He's crushing it every single week.

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Henry, what do we got?

Fire fest of the week.

Just.

Just being old, we did a partial after dark dodgeball stream on Tuesday. Yeah, there's 20 of our people. Me, Max, PFT played. There's three college dodgeball teams, and we probably played 25 matches, didn't win a single one.

No, we won.

That's not true.

Oh, yeah, we won two matches. Yeah. 20 verse three.

Yeah. Finally back to back. And then we lost to 20 verse three.

You're.

You're just doing semantics at this point. You are doing semantics.

You want a match.

Wait, is he doing semantics or some antics? Both. He's doing both. Yeah, but my body was sore after, and it's been more. It's gotten worse every day. I've woken up since. Yeah, like, I was more sore today than I was yesterday. Same. I woke up this morning, my shoulder was just. I couldn't move it. Do you still have like raspberries and marks on your body? Because in old age, when those balls hit, they sting. Smoked in the face. Max got smoked in the face. I laughed in his face. And then I. I got smoked. It was great. It was within like 30 seconds of me stepping onto the dodgeball court. Just an absolute fireball right to my. The left side of my face. Hank couldn't have laughed harder. And then like 20 minutes later, the same thing happened to him. Damn. Some elite athletes. It was funny. It was like I felt like I was in a movie, like in a war movie where it's like the two, you know, two soldiers are talking to each other and then one of them just gets blown up. Yeah, that's what it felt like. I was standing next to Max and he just got smoked for his service.

Max.

Yes.

Yeah. That looked like it didn't look fun.

It wasn't. It was not fun.

It was fun for the viewer.

The crazy thing about those balls is there's a way that you're supposed to grip them, to throw them hard. And these college dodge, they've all like, mastered how to do it, how to Throw it. They throw it like 70 miles an hour. They're really good with curve on it. And then if you try to do that, you have to, like, grab it and then pinch underneath the nipple of the ball is what they say. And so I tried to do that the whole time, and every single finger on my right hand feels like it's jammed right now. Gripping that ball for what was it, like three hours?

Brutal.

Yeah, it was tough grind, but we won. Don't let. Don't let. Max.

You won a game.

Disinformation.

Well, you guys didn't win. I was the one who defended that we won. He would.

Oh, yeah, doing disinformation. That's right. Hank was doing this. We lost 20 verse three.

Yeah, that's a tough loss, but we.

Won two of them. That was 20 verse three.

That's cool, I guess. To the championship. You made it to the championship.

Yeah.

Okay. Well, you made it to the championship. 20 verse three.

Losers.

All that for all that to lose. Okay. Pft.

My fair fest has been the. The ongoing saga of the Internet Invitational as it. As it keeps unfolding, and the matches are going to get crazier and better. I can't wait to watch the entire rest of the series. I think people are going to continue to really, really enjoy all the different wrinkles and stuff that happens moving forward. But to clean up stuff that happened from last week, it's just the. The Luke Quan thing is like a story that won't die online. And it. It's taken a turn where now there was like a backlash to the backlash against Luke Kwan, of course. And now people are like, luke did nothing wrong. Some people are now questioning my handicap on both sides of what my. I've got people saying I'm a sandbagger, people saying I'm a reverse sandbagger. And that's. That's like a weird golf. Twitter is insane.

Yeah.

When it comes to that. But Luke put out a video this week where he apologized and memes made a super cut of all of his apologies. I think he apologized, I don't know, dozen times.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

I. I genuinely am apologetic for that.

Genuinely sorry.

Just want to reiterate.

I really am sorry.

Pft. Genuinely, from the bottom of my heart, I'm really sorry. I really am sorry.

I genuinely would have came up to.

You and said sorry to you in person.

I should have said sorry.

Like, I definitely should have said sorry. I'm sorry that I didn't.

I made an honest mistake.

And I was sorry. Harder of a environment for me to.

Go up there and just say sorry. Why didn't you say sorry? I should have just said sorry right away. But I'm sorry. Specific. I'm sorry.

And I'm sorry to my teammates.

Again, I'm sorry.

I genuinely am sorry.

I apologize. I apologize. I'm sorry about my nonchalantness.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry for saying those things.

Pft. Honestly, I'm sorry. Sorry. I really am genuinely sorry. That was. I'm still sorry.

I'm sorry.

I really do apologize. Pft. If you're watching. I really do apologize. I'm also sorry. Genuinely sorry.

And I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I Genuinely apologizing. Sorry. I'm just sorry.

At the end of the day, I just want to say I'm sorry.

So I've been going back and forth a little way more than that.

Can I see one of these? Do we have it?

He said the word sorry.

I only watched this.

I watched half the video. He said the word sorry probably 50 times.

Times.

I thought it was. I thought he was doing a bit. It escaped.

I was like, it might have been.

He might be doing satire. It escaped containment. It's popping up everywhere online, like, places I'm not expecting to see. Talking about the Luke Kwan PFT scramble match at the Invitational. So he. Yeah, we can play a little bit of it.

Addressing Internet invitation. 16 minutes. Yeah, that's too long.

16 minute apology.

18 minutes to be addressing the.

This has been a whirlwind view days. Usually.

I am opening Instagram habitually just being.

An idiot and I've just like, tried to not open an app anymore. I don't.

Like, there's like apps that are not safe anymore. Anyways, you guys know what happened? I. I just wanted to come in here and at least say something to all the teammates. I. I apologize, like, sincerely, from the bottom of my heart. If I haven't said this to you in person yet. I hope you hear this now. I'm sorry for waking up late.

I'm sorry for disrespecting.

I'm sorry I was disrespectful to your time. This event. Did you address you specifically?

I don't know if he. I haven't watched the full video, but he sent me this video on Friday night before he posted. He's like, hey, I'm thinking about posting this because I've been texting with him. I want to see how he was doing and be like, that was pretty crazy. And I Don't. I haven't watched the full video, so I'm not exactly sure what he does or doesn't say in the full. Full apology.

When he texted you to say, hey, I'm thinking about posting this. Did you watch the video or you're just like, that's good to post?

No, I watched it.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, I watched it.

You didn't watch the full video.

I watched the full video that he sent, but I think he probably edited some of that down.

Okay.

Into the 18 minute version.

Yeah. All right. Here's him addressing PFT. If you're watching, I really do apologize. That was not my intention. Oh, nice. And I know, like, I'm saying it's banter, maybe you guys think it's disrespectful. I. I really do. I'm a. I'm also sorry for thinking that I can banter with PFT like.

I do with my friends.

I misread that.

Wow.

That wasn't banter. Yeah.

That's the thing.

It's like, it wasn't. He didn't banter. He was just a dick.

I was. I was just trying to win the golf tournament and then be like, hey, Luke, let's be friends and. And play this round. And he started, like, just jumping into ball busting, which is like, my feelings aren't going to get hurt.

No.

I work at barstool sports. I hear way worse than that with the people that I work on the show with on a daily basis.

His biggest problem was that he talked to talk, and then he slept in and didn't walk to walk. Like, if he had. If he had come out and dominated, none of this would have mattered. It's just like, you can't talk the talk and then have that happen to you. And then people are also not a very big deal overall.

It's really not. But then now people are online, are like, I can't believe that Luke did that. And then he showed up and proceeded to berate his poor 25 handicapped playing partner. And so now I'm like a big victim in all this.

You are.

Which I. I am like, my feelings. No one's talking about my feelings throughout all this, but. So I've been going back and forth with Luke. I think the best way out of this. And I've. I've told Luke I want to play him heads up, head to head in a match, handicaps included, and I want to make it happen soon.

You're sandbagging handicap or your regular handicap?

My handicap just dropped. I think it's gonna. Oh, I think it's 21.8 now.

Yeah. My.

My real handicap is what we're going to use. I want to do a thing where the loser has to wake up at 5am every day for a month and go live or do something like proof of I'm awake and fully dressed.

Yep.

I'm capable of waking up at 5am and, and post that online somewhere for accountability. That. That was my idea. I actually haven't talked to Luke about that wrinkle to it, but I want to. I want to play him head to head in this. I want me to be able to pick his caddy. I want him to be able to. He can pick anybody for my caddy. And I've got a short list of, like, probably two people that I'm thinking about for Luke Juan's caddy. And I want to make it happen soon. I think we will. But it does feel like it's the. The very strange controversy that just won't die on.

Yeah.

Yeah. I just hope that next time I sleep in and miss something that, that I get the, like, the amount of people like being like, I stand with Luke Juan. I stand with lukewan. I. I want that.

Yeah.

No, like, I would. I just awls.

If you're listening, like, if I sleep.

In him, it's something like, keep that same.

Well, they're not.

People were very supportive.

They're not supportive.

People were overwhelmingly being like, I stand with lukewarm. They're not. You're standing with the guy that just slept in and missed a tea time.

But you understand they're not standing with him for sleeping in.

I think they are.

No, they're standing with him because he got. Got brutalized online, which was a fair reaction. It's just a. It's a reaction to the reaction, like PFT said.

Also, like some of the. Some of the video recaps that I've seen of it recently are people that are like, there are just a lot of people using the F word on Luke Kwan's comment section online. And I've never seen something like this on Golf YouTube.

The Internet Invitational is awesome.

It is.

I can't wait to see it grow. Golf, golf, golf. Like Twitter and fan. They're a little soft. Wouldn't you agree, Hank? They're soft. Like, it's just. It's okay to say that they're soft. So they don't. This is a different world. Barcelona is a different world where this is like something that happens and it's like, yeah, he's an asshole. But we'll move on. They're a little soft.

Yeah. So his. His comment. He pinned this comment on the YouTube also. No. Hate to PFT, please. Thank you, Luke, for.

For.

For calling the quad. I'll stand with you, pfc.

Oh, I don't like standing this.

He reached out and texted asking me how I'm doing. He's a good dude. And we're down to do something in Chicago. When schedules line up, life goes on, doesn't it?

No.

Oh, you missed something there. What? Life goes on. Lol.

Lol.

Doesn't matter.

Doesn't matter. Yeah.

No, no, no. Not. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter.

Doesn't matter. So I don't think it's. I'm trying to work out something where we don't have to wait to play in Chicago. I want to do it soon. I want to. I want to have a head to head rematch. I want just like New Zealand. Me versus maybe go to New Zealand. Hank, you got the shirt on right now.

I'll say. Listen, it doesn't. It doesn't matter long term, but I still hate Luke. One.

Yeah.

I mean, I'll be in that camp. That's fine.

I wouldn't. I'm standing with him.

You stand with him.

Just sleeping in part.

Even though he disrespected someone who's very close to you multiple times.

They made up.

Okay. I. I know I'll hold the grudge.

I never felt disrespected in the moment because I'm. I suck at golf. I know that I'm. I'm bad. I just thought he was being a. You can. You can be like, yeah, that's. This guy's just being a. Right now. And I. My feelings weren't like, oh, I can't believe Luquan made fun of me because I can't putt very good. Yeah. Like, that's on the list of things that I care about in my life. My putting ability is. It's got to be close to the bottom.

Still was a dick move to be like, you're not gonna make that. Doesn't matter.

He wasn't mad.

He was right.

He was right on that.

Yeah, he was very right about it. So, yeah, we'll try to make something happen. But in the meantime, the. The next few episodes of the Internet Invitational are going to be incredible.

Yes.

And I. I can't wait to watch how it turned out.

The. All right, my fire fest is at. Max. I think you probably are going through the same thing. I miss baseball. I'VE had like kind of a weird. And I think part of it was I went on Tuesday I went to get dinner at Chick Fil A with my son and we went to the one by Wrigley. So we drove by Wrigley. And the weather has also been perfect. Fall weather. I just miss baseball. I don't know. Miss the boys of summer. It hasn't hit me that I think it's a combo of the Cubs being in the playoffs and then the World Series being as good as it was. I missed the out of baseball. Yeah, I miss baseball too.

But I have great news for everyone else who misses baseball.

Oh, what's the news next week? Yes, Dingers only video. Yes. Stephen Che who lost Dingers only this year. Oh, you. Oh no. Oh, you actually hear from last year.

Yeah, from last year. Oh, wow. That's weird because it's like over a calendar year.

Yeah.

It's confused.

I forgot. I thought we were just going right there to Stephen Che. No, no, no. We did it. It's going to be.

I'm excited. I'm excited for the people to see.

Yes.

The. The Savannah Bananas. Max. Max it.

Yeah. Savannah Bananas. We pitched.

We.

We played against Savannah Bananas at the White Sox field. Undisclosed undisclosed fields.

Looks like a major league stadium. But we don't know where it was.

That's why I didn't use the actual name.

Yeah. And it's. It's a cool stadium. It's Chicago Stadium. Chicago Baseball stadium.

I saw.

Yeah. When they didn't. When a video game didn't get rights.

Yeah.

To a certain team. It's we're playing at the Chicago baseball.

All I can say about what stadium it was when I was leaving, I saw some delicious looking s' mores desserts that they were making in the concourse there. Looked like some really good ballpark food.

So yeah. My miss baseball also. I think I've talked about this before. I think this is actually now because like going through like your kids different ages. I think this happened a couple years ago and I mentioned it. But now my middle child, my 4 year old is in the phase of just waking up at 2 in the morning and coming into my room and I. She is a terrorist because I can't stop her. I said to her straight up, I said to her hey, you got to stay in your room. And she just said no and just smiled in my face and there was nothing I could do about it.

Argument one.

It's just, she just is like. I was like, hey, can you please stay in your room like we really. We got to stay in our room. We got to get our sleep. And she just goes, no. And I was like, I'm out. There's nothing you can do.

You can't negotiate with that.

No, you can't.

You can't reason with. No.

She's. She's got me. She's got me.

It's.

It's bad. It's a bad scene. So I. I said I was gonna lock all the doors that didn't go over well. So, yeah, it's. It's a problem. I think I gotta beat someone up in front of my kids. So they think that, like, because they're always coming, being like, I'm scared, I'm scared, I'm scared. It's like. But I'm here, here. So I got. I got to do, like, a feats. Maybe we'll. Maybe I got to, like, simulate, like, Max coming to our house. So I just beat him up.

You got to hire somebody for that. Yeah, yeah. Max breaks in wearing a mask.

I just beat the. Out of him.

You tap. Make him tap. Make a burglar tap. Yeah, I could do.

And then.

And then you give him a lesson, like Dog the Bounty Hunter on the way out. And then he becomes, like, indebted to you for the rest of his life. And she's like, wow, my dad, he can beat people up. And he's also really kind. Sweet guy.

Dog the Bounty Hunter has been DMing me randomly, and I don't really understand why, but he's just been DMing me like, every other week. Let me look up. How does a girl suicide herself with two dozen knives? Bruh. The Jigsaw. Couldn't write this in a sequel. Please share. Please share this, brother. Aloha. And then. And then the other day on Tuesday, he just said, are you for Trump or No, I haven't replied to any of these. Yeah, I might need to get back in the dog business. Business.

That's wild.

Yeah, he's. He just keeps sending me hot tips, being like, hey, let's get this guy.

I.

Maybe I gotta mount up.

Yeah. Have you ever helped him track anybody down?

I haven't, but I'm. I'm down to help. Absolutely down to help.

Yeah, whatever you need, dog. With your baseball thing about missing baseball this time of year, I had a dumb thought. What if. What if the NBA was a summertime sport? And what if. I know baseball in the fall is incredible. I love it. But what if baseball. Yeah. Baseball stays in the summertime. Yeah. You can't.

We could improve Baseball.

I was just thinking about like flip flopping sports seasons.

No.

When I was trying to go to sleep the other day and I just felt like NBA in the summertime would be good.

No, the only fix for NBA would be it started Christmas.

Sorry.

Yeah, maybe that would be more because I just. November basketball is just so.

It's.

I don't know, it's like. It's not. I like college basketball. College feast week is my favorite.

Yeah.

Yeah. But. But nbi, NBA. Can. Can say.

Could. Could do Christmas, right? Yeah. I think my. My thought was more about how much I dislike the NBA this time of year. I was like, what if we just moved to the summertime, fill in some of those gaps and days a little bit. But yeah, you're right. I think, I think the sports calendar. They got it right.

They got it right.

They got Shout out. God, they got it right.

Okay, Zach, finish us off.

My fairfest of this week is I've been hearing conflicting reports on this and I'd like to get your guys take.

On this as well.

I went on, I guess what someone call solo date the other day. I thought it was okay.

I thought it was like a super normal thing to do and I'm hearing otherwise. How did the date go? It was.

It was fantastic. Oh, like, I think I. There's like.

You got to think about it.

There's no small talk.

You get to order whatever.

Yeah.

You get to eat at your own. Oh, wait, hold on. I was confused.

Yeah.

No, I thought you meant a solo date. You went just you and a woman.

Oh, no. Oh, no, no, no.

You just went out to dinner.

Yes. Yeah. Yes. Which I thought was more normal at the time. And I'm hearing conflicting reports.

No, I was curious what you guys thoughts were.

Joe Flacco told us that's heaven on earth.

Yeah, dude, it's nice to just go do something. But like, I did. I did a solo walk the other day. I just. It was a beautiful fall day. It was like I dropped my kids off at school. I didn't have to be in work for, I don't know, like an hour or so. I was like, I'm just gonna go for a walk. And it was sick.

You ever. You ever go to the movies solo? Yes, sir, all the time. That's great.

I think that's the best way to.

Go to the movies.

What was your solo date? Did you order for two?

No, I. I like played the field.

A little bit, but let's hear the order. Where'd you go?

I went to a dessert Place on the street that Shane's been telling me.

No, it's not. Not a dessert place. Holy Tavern. Not a dessert place, but has a very good dessert. I've been here, I've been hearing so.

Many things about the dessert. Yeah. For weeks.

But it's not a dessert.

But you got a dessert.

It's like a very, very nice restaurant.

Everyone just tells you about desserts. You hear about desserts from everywhere.

Yeah, that's a good point.

Did you take that in consideration? Did you only get dessert or did you get. Get a full meal? We had.

We did or I did a couple courses. Yeah. Give it to us. Give us the order.

Pigs in a blanket, crab wontons, and then just a prime rib sandwich and some pasta.

And you always have a great way.

Of adding is good.

The last thing that you don't expect. And then what was the dessert?

Sticky day cake that everybody's been. Been raving about.

Okay.

This place is a dessert place because that was the best place. That was the best thing on the menu.

It's a dessert place. So you basically, you force fed yourself four courses just to get to the dessert.

I. I was just anticipating dessert the whole time. I was like, I need to look.

Like an adult and order regular food.

And the whole time I should have just went double dessert and got out of there.

Yeah.

Zach, I'm curious to know what. What you're like at a restaurant, especially in a solo date, if you're ordering food because you're the nicest guy in the world and you're always asking people what you can do for them. Like when you order, you ask for an item of food from a server. Do you feel bad about making them go get that food?

No.

The waiter was very nice. I was just more. I was asking him what his favorites were.

I was like, we'll play the hits.

This guy knows ball. Probably. So yeah, I put together his. His one.

One meal there.

That's good. Yeah, that's a good way to do it. But yeah. Nothing wrong with solo date.

Nothing wrong at all.

There are some places where you probably shouldn't go on a solo date. Like the zoo. The zoo feels like a bad solo day.

Kind of a cool place. You get to walk around. You don't have to deal with anything. You just see the animals. Yeah.

If a guy goes to the zoo by himself, he's going to be in and out in like an hour because he's just going to like speed walk to every place and be like, saw the giraffe.

Yeah. Yeah.

Saw the elephant. Yeah.

Zach, be yourself. How is the.

The.

The duo dates going? Any duo dates are cool.

I just think solo dates might be.

You got a better alternative dates? Do we have any female awls in Chicago area that maybe want to solo date with Zach?

I got no due dates on the calendar. Probably some solo ones coming up.

Okay.

At the end of. So that was. That was your first date, the solo date that you went on. Did you get invited up? Oh, yeah. Straight back to the house.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yep.

Nice. That's nice.

Nice. Close the deal.

Yeah. All right. Good show, boys. Let's do numbers. Three memes. You feel good about this today? You're in your loop. I do. I also do by myself sometimes, and.

I felt extremely disrespected right there.

You could walk through the zoo. Yeah, you could definitely go through the zoo. You could definitely do.

On a solo. I've never done it. I guess maybe it was free too.

You walk through. Yeah. Yeah.

Listen, I. I retract. I love the zoo. I've just never been there solo. You gotta been to the Chicago Zoo?

I have, yeah.

Yeah. See the polar bears. Been there, like, park zoo is awesome. It's great. The lions are incredible. There's two new.

New bears at the park zoo, too. Yeah. Two brown bears.

Sick.

Yeah, it is 99 foot.

Also, the gorilla enclosure there, they could just jump over.

Oh, yeah. Big time. Big time.

And you get the added, like, family drama of the gorillas. You could see, like, the kids running around, the mom being like, hey, quit playing. The kids being like, I'm going to.

Keep playing my kids. My. My son went to zoo camp.

You should drop your kid in the grill enclosure and then shoot the.

No, no.

That's how you show them.

No, my. My son went to zoo camp the last two years at the Link Park Zoo. I was like, I'm so jealous.

Zoo camp is. I would go to zoo camp as an adult.

Yeah. And then when we go to the zoo, he's like the expert. He's like, oh, no, it's over here. It's like, you know it all.

It seems like they get really cool shorts when you work at the zoo. Yeah.

Just khaki.

The khaki ones. Yeah.

Yeah. All right, everyone say their numbers again. 77, 22, 133, 44, 15, 6, 61 means. Would you like to do another?

Sure.

All right, let's do one more. He's getting close. It's gonna happen. He's gonna. He's gonna beat Hank's guess record.

Well, I have guessed it.

What? I have guessed it.

No, you didn't get.

I have guessed it. I have guessed it. I have guessed it right now. Also, I think. I think Huey's on there.

He hasn't gotten it.

Memes is. Where's. Where's. Where's Hank? Let's see.

Oh, yeah.

Memes is. He is like, what is he at? 336 guesses. So, yeah. Damn. We're getting after this. He's going to be 66 guesses, 68 guesses away from Hank, and he's not getting this one. We know that. Oh, my God. Means two.

Love you guys.

Brutal.

That's the one I guessed correct quickly. Love you guys.

Sam,

the dance.