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So excited.

I'm so excited.

I cannot wait.

Really.

Thursday night's going to be awesome. But truly, I'm. I'm so pumped for Sunday when we just get lost in football.

Yeah. So obviously Friday will be our full weekend preview, which we do every Friday. We'll go through every game. But today we have Pete Prisco on, and we're going to do ourselves a little mini preview of our own picks, our own predictions, and we have some prompts that we said that we were going to answer. We're also going to play our game of new same faces, new places. I finally got that right.

Yeah. You know what it is? It's just like, you know, somebody that will pop up in an unexpected spot this year in week one where you're like, oh, I forgot that guy now plays for this team.

Right? Exactly. Exactly. All right, so should we start with some. Some predictions? Should we. Should we talk? So the prompts were worst thing that could happen to your team. And we'll go around the room. Hank, would you like to start?

Sure.

Okay. Everyone else can also add in what the worst thing that could happen to someone else's, too.

I feel like this is a pretty blanket statement for all of our teams, but I think especially the Patriots, maybe myself, have been hyping them up a little bit too much. There's been a lot of, you know, weird cuts with starters, defensive players. It might take, you know, a few years to get back like that.

Are you getting into rosters?

Our roster is, you know, as I. As I was getting excited for the team, it's like I've realized, like, our roster is still not great, and if we get an injury, you know, to a Drake May injury early in the season, we could. We could be just, you know, bottom of the division.

So your backup.

Who's your backup? Oh, Tommy DeVito, Josh Dobbs. Josh.

Josh Dobbs really into the roster this year.

Okay. I mean, he mentioned cuts, and I was like, huh, what? Who got cut that. You were like, whoa, that's weird.

I'll tell you who's not your backup is Joe Milton.

Joe Milton. I wish he was our backup. That'd be more exciting.

Yeah.

Who. Who got cut that made you say, hey, wow, this is going to be. This is going to be a tough.

I'm blanking on the name.

Okay. But it sounds like it affected you so much that you've tried to black it out. Peppers. Yeah.

Jabril Peppers.

Okay.

Okay. That is a. That's a name. Like, that's a new projected starter. No, I know. That's a name people know. I don't think that's. That's about it. He was obviously good at Michigan. He was a first round pick. Like, he. That's a name.

But that's how you change the culture.

You got to get rid of those guys.

You got to cut a guy that everybody knows.

Right.

But when you're getting rid of those guys, it's like that. That means we're. We're not there yet.

You were banking on real.

Gonna take a couple years. Well, it's just surprising when it's like, you know, a projected starter gets cut right before the season.

Question. Yes. Will you be taking back your words that you're going to have the best team on the podcast? No. Wow.

This is worst case scenario. We're talking.

Okay. Yeah, yeah. That's fair. That's fair. Do you want to just share with us best case? Like, what you actually think is going to happen?

Best case, 12 wins. Win the division. And do you think make The AFC.

Change and do you think that's going to happen?

Yeah.

Okay. Okay.

Make the AFC championship. Not win, but make it.

Yeah, I don't want to, you know, I don't want to get crazy. Yeah. Okay. I guess I'll go next. Good job, Hank. I think we all know my worst case scenario. It's that Caleb is dog shit. That's pretty much it. It's Caleb is dog shit because even if the Bears defense, which I have questions about is bad, but Caleb looks good, you're like, hey, we could fix that. That's not worst case. It's essentially that everyone is good around Caleb and Caleb is just absolute dog shit. That would be worst case scenario by far. Yeah.

Because then you have to go through an entire new thing.

The whole thing.

The whole thing.

Although I do, you know, Beijing, I. There's going to be. If Caleb doesn't start hot, there's already a little bit of a Bayant crowd that's. That's starting to like, spawn on Bears Twitter and you're like, no way would this actually be a reality. You got to remember there was a full on civil war on Bears Twitter over Justin Fields and Caleb Williams. I.

Can I push back on your worst case scenario? Isn't it worst case scenario that, like, you still don't know after the season if k. If Caleb's the guy?

Yeah. But it still is.

Like, that'd be worse. Because if you still don't know, then. Then you have to do a whole nother off season. Like next year. In my worst case is that Caleb sucks.

No, because even if he's dog shit, they're going to give him another year probably. So that. So that. So you'd have a nut. You'd go another year down the line and it would all be like, I.

Could see Ben Johnson though, if he's really bad this year, just be like, we're not doing it. We're not going to do it.

I mean, there's so much. There's so much put into this. No, because if he's like, if he's middle of the road, you could tell yourself you could win with that. Yeah. Like if he's actually dog shit and it's like he's. He's. Yeah, I get what you're saying. Like the, the finality of it would be nice.

But I'm not saying middle of the road. I'm saying worst case is that you're not sure if he's dog shit.

But that would imply middle of the road, like teetering. That would Be. Yeah.

The bottom half.

If you don't know, then that's middle of the road.

Like bottom half of middle of the road where it's like, I. I saw enough out of him. We didn't win a lot. He didn't play well. But I saw enough, especially at the end where it looks now he's making the throw.

Then I'd be like, maybe he. Maybe he could be good.

Yeah.

But I put that still is like if he's dog. I actually think they would maybe. I guess there's levels to dog. But it would re. It. It would everything up.

Yeah.

It was really bad. Really, really bad. Okay.

I don't even want to say my worst case scenario. My worst case scenario. Because it does. I think about this every Sunday. Is Jaden Daniel's knee exploding? I think, oh, I think about it way too much. Every time he gets hit, I think about it. I guess worst case scenario is that his mom releases him from no girls and he starts dating girls. Then he gets bad at football and his knee explodes. That would be a bad one.

What if his knee doesn't explode and he just bad.

If he's Sophomore slump.

If he just becomes bad.

Well, I mean, they're.

That would be the meanest thing that the universe has ever pulled on me. If, like Jaden Daniels goes out there this year and it looks like he got all his talent stolen and he just sucks, I don't think. And it was like a year of, you know, no one had. No one had enough film on Jaden last year, so they weren't able to stop him. And then after one off season, it's like the, the league found an answer that would just destroy me actually. If Jaden went out there and was.

Just bad at football, has that not crossed your mind that, like, he's. I don't think he's going to be bad at football, but is there a sophomore slump in your mind? You're like, there's no way.

I do think, and I talked about it with Booger, but I think that there is a great possibility that the team plays better and we have a worse record.

So that didn't answer my question.

Sophomore slump. He might, he might regress a little bit. Like, especially on fourth down. Like, it's impossible to be that good.

Yeah.

Two years in a row. But I think he'll probably be better at some other stuff. I. I think he's going to keep improving, but.

So sophomore slop hasn't really entered your mind?

That hasn't entered my mind. But the Idea of him just going out there and sucking and almost like last year was a complete mirage.

Well, that would be sophomore slump.

That would be like, just. He sucks, though.

Yeah.

Like that's. That has entered my mind occasionally. But I just. Every single Sunday when I watch him get hit, I think about, like, good God, it looks like his knee's about to explode and it never does. And I'm scared of the day that it does happen. If we're in the trust tree, I'm. I'm deathly afraid of it.

Yeah.

All the time. And then he'll probably smile, Max, as he's getting carted off the field and he'll be happy.

Yeah, we'll. We'll get to my. We'll get to my worst case scenario.

Okay. Oh. Oh. I guess I should have thrown my worst case scenario into the packers with the super bowl too. Yeah, I'm in conjunction because that definitely is on the table. All right, Zach, box.

Two quick worst case scenarios for the Buccaneers. One is this is on trend for everyone else, but if Baker Mayfield gets hurt, he's one of the co captains at a team, has a great hold.

On the locker room.

The guys play for him. That would be catastrophic. Teddy Bridgewater could step up. But I want, I just want to see Baker have a great, A great season. We got some real weapons and wide receivers this year.

I feel like injuries are kind of a cop out in this exercise because everyone. Injuries are just part of the game.

I'll redo mine.

Okay.

My other one is if Saquon Barkley avoids the Madden curse and is just on again this year, because if Saquon is nice again, I think the Eagles might win the super bowl and I don't.

And I'm.

And I'm trying to go to the super bowl and so Saquon's on then it's. It's an issue.

That's actually smart because. Yeah, they would. They would if. If the Eagles go to super bowl, the Bucks will not be going to the Super Bowl. Yes.

And I'm terrified of Saquon again, so I need the Madden curse to stick.

Yeah, I can redo mine.

No, yours was good because yours was talking about, like, the roster and that you're a couple years away and losing.

To the jets twice would be worst case.

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, that's a good add on.

I think everyone rock. Everyone's worst case scenario is the jets win the super bowl and then memes is just.

I actually would.

I bet on jets over. Over wins.

Okay. You want to Redo yours because you know what I mean? Like, everyone could say an injury is a bad scenario. If you lose your best player, you're going to be screwed.

Yeah. So my worst case scenario then is that it might be the Commanders win the super bowl, and then I'm just a dick all the time, and I'm just like you guys, and I completely change and I become a. And I'm walking around like no one can talk to me, and then no one can say anything to me ever again because I won one Super Bowl.

Yeah.

That's probably my worst case scenario.

Okay, that's. That's. I hope that doesn't happen.

Yeah, I don't think it will. I don't think it will.

All right, Max, I. I kind of.

Want PFT to take the headphones off for my worst case scenario.

Oh, okay. Pft. You take the headphones off, please.

You'll probably end up yelling, so I'll be able to hear it anyway.

That's true.

Okay.

Without PFT listening to this. My worst case scenario is that Jaden Daniels becomes Patrick Mahomes, and I have to. And I have to deal with Patrick Mahomes for the next 15 years in my division.

Yeah.

If he just, like, takes the next.

That.

The next step and it's just, like, unbeatable and is so good, and he's just there forever.

That's.

That's worst case scenario. And I. And don't tell PFD about this.

I won't.

I don't think about it that often. Yeah, but, like, because the Eagles, like, we're the better team now, and we have young players on defense and everything. But, like, what if.

What if.

What if Patrick Mahomes is just in my division?

What about the Eagles specifically?

The Eagles specifically. Secondary. I'm worried about the secondary. If the secondary just sucks and then our defense is in the same.

Yeah.

And then we're. And then we're playing from behind, and then it's. It's a different game. But that. I. I'm less. I'm more. I. I'm more confident. I'm more confident in our defense than I am in Jane Daniels just not being, like, the best.

Okay. Okay.

Can't put my headphones.

Yeah, you put your headphones back on. Yeah.

I was just thinking about, like, actually the scenario. My worst. It might happen because Jane Daniels might just be the next Patrick.

Yeah. In the. But a different division.

Different division in the NFC East.

Yeah.

And then we might.

Patrick rose to the nfc, and then.

I'd have to become The Nick Wright of Jaden Daniels is. Yeah, I'd have to just talk to.

Matt Jane Daniels beat no quarterbacks last year though.

Joe Burrow is a pretty good quarterback. Jared Goff's a pretty good quarterback. Baker Mayfield's a pretty good quarterback.

Does Jaden Daniels play against quarterbacks like this?

Also a good question.

Kinda did the court. Jared Goff plays defense.

Jaden does play against secondaries and the Eagles. Max, I think you were saying last week that you're very confident in the Eagles secondary.

What? Yeah, you did say that last week. When?

When did I. I said that last week? Yeah, I just said that was the one thing I'm not confident.

Oh, I didn't hear that. I didn't have my head so he.

Wouldn'T know that I said I'm not confident in the.

Oh, you're not, are you?

Cause that's who plays against Jaden Daniels.

Yeah.

At least you're not worried about.

I think, I think what they call that in show business, pft is intentionally playing dumb to you, Max. Cause he actually did hear everything you said. So now he's saying that the opposite of what you said in terms of the secondary.

Maybe Kenny Pickett.

It was almost a tie in the first half of the NFC championship game at one point.

All right, memes, jets win five to six games, miss the playoffs, get outside the top 10 and miss out on.

A really good quarterback.

So you just described exactly what's happening.

Can I bet on that?

Wait, Beams, that was. That was not even. That's worst case scenario. That's not even close to a leap.

Yeah, that's.

That's the worst case scenario. I think you just described the jets season.

Both can be true. The jets season. And the worst case scenario can be true.

The jets winning too many games might be the worst thing that can happen to you.

So too many games is. I think we're in the playoffs.

Would you rather them win nine games or three?

But three if I had to bet design get you in the playoffs.

No, no.

Oh, three if I had to bet.

That is a lie, by the way. That is a lie that you memes.

Is like all of us. It's like week to week, he's going to want to win on Sundays. You can't stop memes from coming out locker room and competing his balls off. But in the macro, if memes was a gm, he'd say, yeah, ideally the best case scenario would be we win three games this year, we get a great draft pick.

But. But like all these scenarios are like There's a chance, but maybe it's not, you know, a full on what you described, I feel like is a 90% chance of what's going to happen. Will the jets win a thousand games? We'll find out Week one.

That's the beauty football memes.

I actually like you guys on, on Sunday. I'm going to bet on the Jets.

They have to.

They have to win Sunday. Yeah. It's a must win. Yeah. Okay. Let's not have any of these scenarios happen. Let's not have any of these scenarios happen.

Agreed.

Agreed. You think that if Caleb was dog shit, they wouldn't. I think they would still play him another year. Think about how many guys get three years.

There's levels to dog, though.

Yeah, of course. If he's like all, all out dog, but like if it's more like. I know he's bad, but they're gonna have to give him a third year because they always give guys that draft that high three years.

I think the problem would be, and I don't think it's gonna happen. I've been on record saying I think that Caleb's going to be very improved next year. I think that the Bears are going to be better than people think that they're going to be. But if it goes sideways, the problem is Caleb and his dad are going to have a media feeding frenzy this offseason.

Oh, yeah.

And they'll. They'll burn some bridges. Fine though. So I don't know that he would come back for another year.

The organization is definitely equipped for that. It's totally fine. It's fine by Ben Johnson. And I think Caleb's gonna have a good year, I think. Yeah, I think. But I, I love that you guys.

Have a Monday primetime game.

Oh, fuck you, Hank. You're such a sicko and a pervert and a weirdo. But that's the thing with the one, one pick is like you always. I think they always get three years. I would have to look it up. But I feel like guys always get three years.

Yeah. So if Caleb were to be traded right now, before the season, what do you think? One first round pick?

I have no idea. But it's. But that's where it's like tricky. It's like, I agree with you in a sense, like you. The middle ground. But the middle ground could mean that he could be good enough that like, if you get the roster up, you could have a decent team. Right. Whereas like, if he's dog shit, I think they would play him another year and it Would be like, he's dog shit.

Game manager. That would be very funny if people started to refer to Caleb as being a game manager. I mean, I said game manager.

Game manager. Okay, should we do. Let's see. Mvp. Everyone got an MVP pick. I'm taking Joe Burrow this year. Joe Burrow is my pick.

You know what? That was going to be my pick.

But you can.

You'll pick.

I'm going to change taking Jordan Love.

What are the odds for on the DraftKings sportsbook? You're such a dick. I don't know. You could take Burrow. We could all take Burrow.

I think the packers are going to be filthy. That's not even trolling either.

You heard prisco say it. Burrows plus 550. Plus 550 in this DraftKings sports recap.

What do you got?

PFT.

I'm going to bet him again this year. I did it last year. It almost worked out. Lamar Jackson.

Okay. Jordan Love is 20 to 1 on the DraftKings Sortster cap. Lamar Jackson is also plus 550. Boys in the booth. You guys got a pick.

I'm in jail and I'm picking Jalen Hurts. Everyone hates him and thinks that he sucks. And then he's going to play on a chip in his shoulder and he's going to win mvp.

Whoa. And super mumbled there. I got what Zach's probably going to pick Baker. Yeah, I like. I like that.

I'm also going to pick Baker Mayfield.

I like that. I like Baker.

Plus 2500 weapons.

I kind of like the.

On the DraftKings sports bill.

Bucks to win the super bowl just as a long shot. What's that odds at? Give me that real quick. I do like the Bucks this year. A lot. High on them. Do you guys want to do least improved?

Yes.

Least improved player of the year. A very mean award, but go ahead, Hank.

It's just going to be tough because he had such a blazing hot first year and they have a much harder schedule. Jane Daniels.

That's okay. I. I honestly agree.

That is also my pick.

Oh, I think these are great picks. Listen, I've noticed that he's been getting a lot of hate recently in the media. That's fine. Chip on his shoulder. We'll be good.

Bucks are 25 to 1 to win the super.

Wait. He's Jaden Tails hasn't been getting hate in the media.

I just heard two people on national sports. I just heard fact or fiction.

Okay.

I heard two people, two of the biggest voices in sports media just say that he was going to regress this year.

I also.

No, no, they didn't say he was going to regress. Least improved doesn't mean he regresses.

No.

Doesn't get better.

One of the guys definitely said that he was not going to live up to that first year.

If he stays exactly the same, that could be the least.

I just said. The thing I'm most worried about is him being Patrick Mahomes. And you didn't have your head.

I didn't hear that. I didn't hear that. But I did hear one guy say that. Not. He's not going to live up to the. What happened in his first year. And this guy is locked in on NFL rosters.

And where have you tried to find any actual hate for Jaden Daniels on. On in the world?

It's mostly the comment sections.

Okay.

Mostly like that doesn't count. Little bro ass.

Yeah.

Yeah. A lot of little bro ass.

I feel like you can't even find that.

Yeah, I know. That's really hard to find as well.

Eagles fans.

There's a lot of little bro ass out there.

Do you think so? Yeah. You're. You're finding the little bro ass.

I'm seeing the little bro ass. And then when I see the little bro ass, I remember the little bro.

Are you searching?

You can't go online without seeing little bro ass.

Yeah, but are you. Are you getting up? I'm gonna. I'm gonna find where the little bro ass is.

Little bro ass might not be a direct qu. It might be an amalgamation of all the hate that he's getting that I've combined into one succinct phrase in my brain. That sums it up nicely.

Yeah. I mean that the. This is like when Nick Saban would be like, you know, they. They don't believe in us.

Yeah.

Like you. They. I don't. I haven't think. I don't think I've seen anyone say anything bad about Jaden Daniels. It's all. He's a top five quarterback.

I've seen it. I've seen it. Well, the. The NFL top 100. He was in the teens.

Oh, no.

Yeah. Which everybody. We all pay attention to that.

Okay. Least improve is Jaden Daniels for you two. So. You're right. Pft. There's a little bro ass going around. I'm gonna say least improved player. And it is kind of a hard one because he kind of stunk last year at times. I think Kyler Murray is just not going to get. I think he's already been what he's been.

He's not going to get it is just what we.

What we see from Kyler Murray. It was, you know, the first couple of years were great. Everything else, I think it's just going to stay exactly the same. There's going to be a couple of games where like, holy shit, he's awesome.

And then he's just not okay. Mine is going to be a similar quarterback and a guy that we kind of believe in a little bit that it was cool to see his bounce back last year. At the end, I think it might be Bryce Young because he was perfect at the end. So it's going to be hard to replicate what happened at the end of 2024.

Okay. We'll have to. We'll have to check these against the numbers.

LeBron might be ass.

Might be ass. And he is the little.

He's the littlest, bro.

Yeah. Zach.

My least improved player for this upcoming season is going to be Aaron Rodgers. He didn't play most of the season last year due to injury. I think he's going to play it every.

He played every game.

My bad. I might be mixed up. I might be in a little bit of a blender. I think he's going to regret playing this year. I think he's old. I think he needs to go enjoy the fruits of his labor. I apologize for the year pivot. That's on me.

Your pivots happen.

He was a top five quarterback at one point.

I think he's just going to be like, I should just go. Go to Boca, go to the beach, enjoy my life.

Yeah. Statistically, he was top five quarterback in like passing yards and touchdowns. It was because his. The jets hadn't taken a buy yet and he plays a. Played a Thursday night game before anyone else played that week. So he had like two extra games than everyone else.

I'm out on Aaron Rodgers.

I was wrong. That was a. That was a perfect storm of statistical data that you couldn't. Your brain couldn't handle. It said that he was in the top five. I was like, oh, my God, no. Two more starts than everyone else at that given point.

But memes, I don't hate it. You gotta. You gotta scratch and claw to play for your guy.

Yeah. Memes least improved, Patrick Mahomes.

Oh, well, he was kind of maybe a down year last year.

He was definitely had a down year statistically last year. You think he's going to not improve off that? AFC west is better. He's already really good. So it's hard to improve after being that good. But he was bad last year at times. Like, statistically, Patrick Mahomes had a bad year for him. Yeah, I just think he's on the downhill. Oh, how old is Mahomes now? 28.

Yeah, he's getting old. Getting real old.

He's getting super old.

What about Naji Harris? At least improved. Yeah, that was my other out.

Did you see that?

He's been cleared?

No. Oh. Petro was about to be 30.

Really?

Yeah, he's gonna be 30 in two weeks. Najee Harris is a good one.

Yeah, he's cleared for full contact.

I was also thinking maybe Sam Darnold.

Sam Darnold. Yeah.

But he was pretty good last year.

He was pretty good until the last few games of the season.

Yeah, but like the whole. I'm taking the totality of last year versus the totality of this year. Yeah. Could be least improved.

I think that's probably a good point.

Yeah.

We saw maybe the peak of Sam Darnold last year.

Yeah. Least improved. Okay, do you guys want to do your super bowl picks and then we'll do the new. New.

Oh, I have such a good guy for comeback.

Oh, do it. Let's do comeback player of the year. Yes. Sorry, that's my bad. Go give it to us.

Ready?

Yes.

Carson Wentz.

Oh, you shut the up.

Go to the Vikings. Goes to the Vikings. J.J. mcCarthy, like, isn't it? And they're like, all right. Actually, we need one more year behind him.

I don't hate Carson.

Wentz comes in, is. Is the Vikings quarterback guy gets them to the playoffs after they go down, like, lose their first three games.

Carson.

I hate it.

I don't hate Max.

Would you be so mad?

No, I would be so happy. I mean, the Eagles are good. Like, I, like, I don't have any ill will towards Carson Wentz.

It.

We won that breakup. So it's like I want. I want him to have some success.

That.

That trade that you guys got from the Colts, maybe.

Awesome, awesome trade.

One of the all time great fleecings.

It's a great trade.

Yeah. Great trade. All time.

He's gonna love that stadium. That's the stadium that kills all those birds because they fly into the wall.

That's right. Yeah, that's right. All right. My. I'm comeback player of the year. I'm. I'm going with Dak Prescott, I think, is going to win this award.

Okay.

I think he's going to win this award because I think he's going to. I think the Cowboys are not going to be Great. But I think Dak is going to put up his numbers and we're going to have. We're going to play with that whole like, ooh, are the Cowboys. Is Dak Prescott one of the top five quarterbacks? Like that whole discourse is going to happen at some point this year, but they're still going to stick.

You just kept saying numbers and me just kept saying three back.

What are the. What's the comeback player of the year numbers? Plus 275. Ooh, okay, nevermind. Cancel that. Cause that's way too. He's the favorite by far. Oh, what about What a little TJ? Little Daniel Jones. 20 to 1 comeback player of the year. I kind of like that.

I always like the guys that win comeback player of the year coming back from sucking.

Yeah. Like they just.

Injury. It's like they were just bad at football.

Yeah.

And Holy. This guy doesn't suck anymore.

Yeah, he's not as bad as he was. Pft, Hank. I'm going.

Trevor Lawrence, he's. He's five to one. But yeah, it's kind of a gamble.

I like it. He got injured at the end of the year.

Injured end of the year. New coach, offensive coach.

Stepping into his throws now.

Might work out, might not, but it's.

It's.

It could happen.

Okay.

All right. You guys are going to hate this one. Big cat. Especially because I know how he feels about this team. Tua.

Oh, tua.

Comeback player of the year.

I mean, I like to. So I don't hate this one.

I thought you were gonna say Joe Milton.

Joe. Joe Milton. That's not a comeback player of the year. Everyone knows that. Joe Milton's always been great.

Yeah.

You can't come back from greatness.

But I don't hate the two a pick.

But if everything goes right in Miami, he still has Tyreek Hill. If everything goes right, he still has a great offensive mind in Mike McDaniels. If everything goes right, it's the. Everything goes right. If. If it's a perfect storm for Tua, then yes, he will win that award.

Are you a little worried you might be a year early on that?

What do you mean? He needs to suck again?

No. Get hurt again. He like, he'll like you're. You're. You're early on him playing a full season.

No, I think he's. Tua's got it this year.

He's got it.

He's got this. They're going to limit the hits that he takes.

He's been practicing karate.

He's been Practicing falling down.

Yep.

They've probably got to slip and slide out there. They probably got the pad that he's practicing getting tackled onto.

No, I don't hate that pick because when two plays, he's. He's, like, decent.

Ye.

Just.

He's got to play, and he. All he has to do is just find Tyreek downfield.

Yeah, fuck it.

Tyreek down there somewhere.

Well, and also Tyreek has to stay downfield.

That's true.

He's got to stay on the team.

He's got to stay on the team. He's got to stay off the Internet. Videos need to. He just needs to put up a filter online, being like, any video of Tyreek Hill that comes out is blocked.

Yeah. All right, super bowl picks or. Sorry, you have comeback player of the year memes and Max or Zach Mash Crosby plus 2500. Okay.

Nick Chubb, new team, fresh start. Physical running back, fun to watch.

Love that.

What are two his odds? Is he up there?

Two has got to be up there.

25 to 1 on the draft king sports book.

Okay.

It's good. All right. Last one super bowl picks, and then we'll do Hot Seat, Cool Throne, and get to our duel. And Pete Prisco and Michael Irvin. Hank. Green Bay Packers, 12 to win the Super Bowl.

Win the super bowl, man.

Really? You really like that Prisco interview?

I just. It's.

I mean, the NFC north is tough, but I just feel like they're. The. Michael Parsons is a huge ad.

They got it all.

I got a question for you, Hank.

Yeah.

Do you trust Matt LaFleur?

I do.

You do?

I like Matt LaFleur. I've always liked him.

You trust him? Big game, big moment.

Yeah.

I mean, he's had. It's kind of like he's. It's the progression of. Of being a coach of his caliber. He's a great coach. He's obviously gone through it. He's been in these spots before. This is kind of the next step.

All right. Pft.

I'm gonna go with Detroit.

Okay.

The Lions, 14 to 1.

14 1.

They still have a great roster. Hutchinson back on the field. That's gonna make a big difference. Jared Goff, him. They've got a good offense.

All right, Zach, not to sound like a delusional fan, but I do think we have a great team this year in the Tampa Buccaneers, and I think there's a legitimate opportunity for us to go to the Super Bowl.

Okay, so you're going to pick them as your super bowl pick?

I'm going to Take them as a Super bowl pick. I'm going to ride that. Might be a little chalk, But I.

Like 25 to 1. No, it's not. It's the opposite of chalk.

Eagles are the obvious pick, so I'm going to go elsewhere. Eagles are my number one pick, but if I weren't to say Eagles, I'm going to go with The Denver Broncos 22 to 1. Defense is incredible. Bo Nicks takes the next step. I think. I think they're a fun team at.

22 to 1 memes. I like the Ravens plus 600, but I'm going to go with the Rams plus 2200. Okay. I like that pick. Devonte Adams is a huge upgrade. All right. The Bills is who I think is going to win the super bowl. If you wanted a long shot. I do. I just can't quit the Bengals. 25 to 1. Think Joe Burrow in a playoff setting. That defense can just be halfway decent. Just halfway decent.

I don't hate it.

25 to 1.

You know what I've been to recently? I've been. I've been doing the fast futures on DraftKings.

Yeah.

So they're like. They're futures, but they expire after four weeks. So it's really just the first month of the season. I got Lamar Jackson and Jaden Daniels to combine for 600 plus rushing yards after four weeks. So it's a perfect bet because if one has a down week, it doesn't matter. The other can run for 150 yards. You feel good about it. So it's combined for 600 plus rushing yards after four weeks. I got it. Plus 1400. I think it's down to plus a thousand now. Still, I think a good bet. Still a fun bet.

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Hey, Katsi, cool truck.

My hostage is team Europe.

We're talking Ryder Cup.

Talking Ryder Cup. They announced their captain's pick. When, you know, USA announced theirs. There's a lot of memes and. And tweets and stuff of people making fun of the US Team for being serious and stoic on. On their call. Like on the video call. Everyone was. Everyone had a straight face.

Yep.

Team Europe announced theirs, I think on Sunday or Monday. And to kind of troll Team usa, they. They made sure that everyone on their call was smiling and happy face. And it just made me want to beat him that much more.

I'm so excited for the Ryder cup. And we gotta win.

Gotta win.

We gotta win.

Gotta win. Gotta go.

We gotta go.

My cool throne is Max Johnson.

Yeah.

Bad night for unc. Very bad.

What happened?

They. They got smoked by tcu.

Can I ask a question? Yeah, because we. We recorded. Obviously it was. The game is still going on, but now that the dust is settled, we're day removed. At what point is it like legacy tarnishing for Belichick?

It's not. It's different. Different sport different, different leagues.

Same exact sport.

Football.

Same exact sport, but different.

It's college. And I mean, there's. Look, Nick Saban.

Is that why you don't watch college? You don't think it's like football?

Him being horrible in the NFL doesn't tarnishes timeline.

Yeah. Now if timeline Belichick left after like nine weeks and then got rehired by the NFL and then won like six Super Bowls, then legacy back on.

I don't.

Listen, he was great in college before he went to the NFL.

What?

Like, Saban was good and then he was bad and then he was good.

Yeah, right. He finished good.

Finished good. That's important.

But he not in, not in NFL. He's never had it. He's never. Was never right.

But he's the greatest.

He's proven that. It's, it's, you can be good in one, you know, NFL or college and not.

Okay, so you're right. I, I, I, I see what you're saying. But Saban also, like, it wasn't catastrophic. I'm asking if it's like, catastrophic, catastrophic. Like, is there a time where he's got a bail? And again, I don't think, like, it's legacy tarnishing. No one's gonna be like, bill Belichick can't coach football. He's not the best NFL coach of all time. It's more weird, weird shit when it happens at the end. Kind of changes how people, like, see it a little bit. It leaves a bad taste.

I don't think so. I think, I think if it's a complete disaster, which I don't think it will be, but if it is, in 10 years, people will kind of just forget it ever even happened.

Okay. All right.

His legacy in NFL is so good that it's kind of, it's, it's not. People won't remember college if you went to an NFL team. It was a disaster. Different story, I think.

Okay. Okay. Then you could play the Brady Belichick thing. Yeah.

But Max Johnson almost lost his leg last year. Came all the way back, threw a touch onto his brother.

Yeah. Big bad Brad was in the stands.

Wild.

Some things love that big time. Some things. Do you think they're going to turn around? Yeah. Because you are as a die hard UNC fan as of this season. That was a tough night.

Yeah, it was it. But again, it's a long season.

Yeah.

Different sport, different sport.

It is different story. All right. Pft. Your hot seat. Cool. Throw up.

My hot seat is Jerry o'. Connell.

Okay.

Because we've got our fantasy draft coming up, and Jerry has been not the most responsive to text messages. You can tell he's feeling the pressure right now. And the league just up the buy in that we're in now. It'll interest you to know that the one guy that was very opposed to upping the buy in. Well, actually there were two. One was Jerry, because he kept saying he had to check with his wife, and his wife said no, despite the fact that, per page six of the New York Post, he said that him and his wife have separate bank accounts.

Right.

So Jerry's using his wife as an excuse to cheap out, even though we know that that money is coming out of his account. And we just paid him $6 million to host Camp Barstool. And Jerry, I believe, Jerry.

660.

Yes.

60 million.

$60 million. Also, Jerry has taken upon himself to set the draft order in this league again, despite nobody asking him to, which I appreciate the self starting by Jerry. Somebody's got to do it. Someone has to step up. So Jerry set the draft order, and he has us drafting fourth. Seems like that's a spot that he would have put himself in. This would be the second year in a row that he gave himself an advantageous pick in the fantasy draft. And now the league is kind of revolting against Jerry for once again declaring a draft order without checking with anybody else. So Jerry on the hot seat.

Do you agree with my take about draft orders in fantasy?

I do that. I don't really care where I draft.

I do. Like, I don't understand why people get so upset about where they draft or, like, it's rigged for the draft or you like what? I actually would rather not have the first pick in a fantasy draft. I think that sucks because you're like, this guy has to be good and he can't get injured because I'm not going to pick it again for like, 20 picks, I'm actually okay with.

Four is a great spot.

Yeah, four. Perfect spot.

Four is a great spot. I actually love having like seven or eight and getting. Watching, like the first six picks go, and then knowing you can wrap around. I just. People get like. They're like, I see a lot of it because I pick. You know, people will ask me, can you do the draft for me? And I pick the draft. And it's like, oh, it's rigged. It's like, dude, what does it matter? It's a snake draft. Like, who cares?

Yeah. That's the whole point of a snake draft is that it makes it advantage even to go at the end of the draft. I actually. That's the one spot I don't like going last.

Oh.

I like going last just because you feel like I'm not going to get anyone good. And then it comes to you and you're like, oh, I can get two good players.

Yeah. I like going last.

I don't like being square in the middle. I like, you know.

Yeah.

When my pick is up, be like, I got two guys.

But see, that's why I. I feel like you can. You can argue this a million different ways, and it's all the same because, like, being in the middle, to me, whenever I get in the middle, when I'm like five or six, I'm like, guess what? There won't be any runs without me getting a pick in. You know what I mean? Like, there won't be the crazy. Oh, everyone just took all the quarterbacks, and I'm sitting there, and I don't have a pick for, like, 15 picks. So it's overrated. All right, go ahead. Your cool throne.

My cool throne is actually the Carolina Tar Heels because Belichick said after the game that we're better than what we were tonight.

Oh, that's good.

So they're not that bad, per Belichick. He sees it in practice. I don't know. Do they practice?

I.

That implies that they practice.

I don't know what they're doing because.

Every single thing that could go wrong did go wrong for the. Like, they couldn't hand the ball off. They couldn't pitch the ball. They couldn't tackle. They couldn't catch.

It was bad.

They, most of the night, couldn't throw. They had one great drive that first drive. Also, if you look back on some of the tweets, especially from, like, Skip Bayless, after that first drive. Oh, he's like, oh, look what? Bill's back big time. The hell that Bill is about to unleash on college football is incredible. I think he said, wow, Belichick has a national championship offense. Heels just shredded the Frogs defense.

It's.

But, yeah, I think I'm gonna. I'm gonna trust Bill. He's forgotten more about football than anyone has ever known, which might literally might be the case. I don't know. He's getting older. But, yeah, he said, listen, you saw. You saw a team that was unrecognizable to me tonight. We're not that bad. We're way better than what we showed up.

Okay. Or maybe they're unrecognizable they could be worse.

They could. They might be worse.

It could be worse than that. Yep. All right, my hot seat is us, because we keep forgetting to do it, but let's do it. Zach, give us. You have like, 10 to 15 names, some new. Same faces, new places. Give it to us.

Give us the names. And then. Do we want to try to guess?

Yeah, we can guess them.

Yeah.

One name at a time.

Yeah, yeah, go ahead.

Okay, I've got sincere McCormick.

Oh, I don't know.

Ooh, that's a tough start.

Very, very tough.

Really tough start. Really? I thought you were going to do, like, guys who are maybe a little.

We can pivot.

Okay. No, no, go ahead, Go ahead.

Daniel Jones.

Wait, where's Sincere?

I just haven't been. I haven't been very tuned into where sincere McCormick's been going. Good, good. Follow up Colts. Where is Sincere McCormick?

He's now with the San Francisco 49ers.

Okay, all right. Okay.

Formerly the Las Vegas Raiders.

Okay, that was huge. All right, so Daniel Jones, Colts were 1 for 2.

Kenny Pickett.

Can you pick it is not in Cleveland.

No, he got trade.

Raiders.

Yes, the Raiders back up for the Raiders.

That is correct.

Okay.

Tim Jones.

Tim Jones.

Can you use it in a sentence? Yeah, use Tim Jones in a sentence.

Tim Jones plays football for the A.

Tim Jones is one of those guys that. Football.

Tim Jones has fled from one team. He has now found a new home at. And it's very cold.

Vikings. That is correct.

Oh, all right.

Well, that was the coldest theme I could think of. Okay.

DK Metcalf, he's on the St. Burs.

Yeah.

Stefan Diggs, he's on the Patriots. J. Michael Hasty.

Don't know.

Don't know. Very warm.

Close to a queeter. Yes, sir.

I got one for you that. That I forgot a little bit because of maybe our lack of hard knocks, but. Or just kind of blocked out, but Joey Bosa being on the Bills. Yeah. It's always. That was. That's gonna take me a second where he's gonna get a sack like week two. And I'm like, oh, yeah, nice. What other ones?

Braxton Barrios.

Texans.

That is correct.

Yeah, I follow his girlfriend online.

Audrey Estimate.

Don't know.

I was high on him.

Eagles.

Oh, okay.

After camp.

Okay.

Zach, do this one.

Puna Ford.

Oh, he's on the Rams.

Rams, yeah.

Didn't even have to leave the building.

Yeah, he just went across the hallway. Puna Ford, quick trip.

How did the charges let him out the door?

Max, do you see any Others on the list that he should do.

I just really want him to do Punafort. That was. Yeah, I can't see the list.

It's Gary Brightwell.

Don't know.

What are Gary Brightwell's career stats?

Can you give us. Can you give us Gary Brightwell? What state.

State of origin?

You want this? You want the state.

The state of moving from.

Moving.

The state of moving. Moving from would be Ohio.

Okay. The state he moved to. He just said, what state is Cincinnati?

That would also be Ohio.

So he moved from Ohio to Ohio.

Okay, well, I know that he was on the Bengals last year.

No, he was on the Browns. He just asked. You just whispered what. What state is Cincinnati? And when I asked from.

I thought this booth was a safe space. It's not a safe space.

You said it out loud.

You could hear it out loud and.

Watch you say it.

I thought he was on the Bengals last year.

No, I'm pretty sure he's. He was on the Browns last year. Now he's on the Bengals. Right.

I think we're going Ohio. To Ohio. Yes.

It's an Ohio to Ohio transfer.

He was signed by the Bengals in November, early November, last year.

So he's still on the Bengals. So he hasn't. Oh, no.

He got released.

Yeah.

So he's not on the Bengals anymore.

Oh, so none of this is right?

Per Wikipedia, Gary Brightwell has been released. Sir, a second Ohio team has released Gary Brightwell.

Well, I'm happy we got the Gary Brightwell updates because that was important.

I mean, he's too good of a player to just sit out there.

Yeah, he's always on the practice squad.

Okay.

Okay, good. That's huge. So the Bengals practice squad. All right, you got last one.

Brian Robinson Jr.

He's on the 49ers.

Yeah, that is correct. Yes, sir.

Yeah, he's gonna be like Forrest Gump meeting LBJ when he sees Ricky Pierasol.

Good job.

You wanna see my scar?

Good job. With where I do. Was there any others? I don't think there's any other. I guess, like, I'll throw a couple out there. I forgot Mac Jones was on the 49ers. Yeah, it's usually, like, backups, where I', like, oh, shit, that guy's there. Cooper Rush is on the Ravens now.

That's right.

Yeah.

Who else?

You ready for this one? This one actually is a very good one that we all need to remember. Gardner Minshu is a chief because that will us up.

That will.

That will definitely us up when that happens.

Cooper cup is a Seahawk.

Yes.

Yeah.

And Devonte Adams is a Ram. Yep. Yep.

Javante Williams. Cowboy.

Cowboy. That's one Rico Dowdle. Panther. Yeah, that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

JK Dobbins.

JK Dobbins is a Bronco.

Yep.

Yeah. See, I'm good on these ones. It's the Gary Brightwells that really messed me up.

I mean, that's on us for not knowing Gary Brightwell. Shout out. Gary Brightwell seems like a good dude.

Gary Brightwell, he was on the Bengals last year. He got cut and now he's on the practice squad for the Bengals. But we, we got it. We got that right.

He's going to be an impact call up.

We got that.

They're going to bring him up after like three weeks.

Yeah, we, we got that one right? Big time. And DeAndre Hopkins, Ravens. Remember that. Okay, let's do. Oh, my cool throne. My cool throne. I don't have a cool.

Where's Odell Beckham?

Odell Beckham's on the street. I believe.

He's just chilling.

Yeah, I think he's just chilling.

Somebody needs to sign Odell Beckham.

Someone definitely needs to sign.

And Jadevion Clowney.

Yeah.

Didn't you say you're gonna do Trump?

Oh, yeah, Trump. Because I think he's alive.

Choose your own adventure.

Choose your own adventure. Is Donald Trump dead or alive?

Still alive. Person of the year is Donald Trump. We're gonna do it. It's a very special award that we hardly ever. A mid season takeies award.

I don't understand what's going on because it's like one, like what actually is going on? I would let you know what actually is happening. Two from the people who brought you. Joe Biden is totally fine. Are now like we haven't seen Trump in like 24 hours, so he must be dead. We've all lost our brain.

Well, it's. It's also like a week without him doing a press conference.

Okay.

And he loves doing press.

Okay. So that's what he's Cuz I couldn't figure it out.

They're also posting pictures as if they're in real time. But like coders are going back and figuring out their SO Is.

So they posted a picture of him golfing with Gruden on Sunday.

I saw that.

But we know that he golfed with Gruden a week ago.

So is he alive?

He's alive. Actually. Worst case scenario for all of us, Trump dies and then the start of the NFL season gets pushed back.

Oh, I don't think they would.

Didn't they do that with jfk?

They might have.

Football's a different time now.

That was the middle of the season, too, I don't think. They wouldn't take away week one.

That was November.

Yeah.

Jim Ursay was like, top is down.

Yeah. Okay. So he's. We don't know. All right. Fun, fun, fun online, I guess. I don't fucking know. I just. I just. It was laughing because it literally is the people who are like, joe Biden is totally fine. And then Trump, who could be dead. I have no idea. Doesn't play golf for a couple days. They're like, dude's dead. I.

He's not dead. I don't think he's dead. But there's.

But he could be.

There's speculation that he, like, some sort of event, bad thing happened.

I think there was rumors that there was, like. Like a secret ambulance going to the White House.

I saw his hand.

Yeah, look.

Discolored.

It's. It's a bunch of. You know, I'm hearing this. I'm here.

How about we do this thing, like, where we just stop electing politicians that are like, 90 years old? Yeah, that would be a good idea. We don't have to do this whole, like, hey, is he. Is he. Is he not? What's going on with him? Yeah, except Pelosi. Those cannons can stay.

They ain't going nowhere.

Timeless, those things are. Those things are timeless.

I think I would TF those.

Oh, yes, you would.

Yes, you would.

Yes, you would. All right, Zach finished off hot seat. Cool throne.

My hot seat this week is going to be Ronnie 2K and Mike Wang. Ronnie 2K being the face of NBA 2K with the way.

The way he says these things. I thought for a second you said you were running a 2k, like a race.

Oh, like a distance race.

You said it so fast. I was like, what's going on? All right, Ronnie 2K and Mike Wang.

I got to slow down. I'm start working on enunciation. We're going to slow down the cadence here. That's on me. I've been working on. It's not working out well so far. Oh, I got you. Ronnie 2K is a face of NBA 2K. Mike Wang, developer for 2K Sports NBA 2K is out for. If you pre ordered. Game hasn't even come out for regular orders till September 5th. Great game. Good shooting. Defense could be buffed a little bit, but there's already. You guys familiar with the Chronos Zim?

Yep, Yep.

Chronosim Scripts are already out for 2K26. So when you shoot a shot, you hit a green, like good, perfect release. So the Chronosim's a piece of hardware you plug into your controller and they already got scripts to just, just hack on, rage, hack on the game.

So it's like Game Genie, possibly. You're not familiar with games.

I'm not familiar with Game Genie.

Game Genie was the best.

All the best.

You would just plug your, like Nintendo game into the Game Genie and then you put the game Genie into the, into the console and then you would just hack the entire game.

Yeah, you could just. You should go. You could go to the last level with Game Genie.

We're Game Genie and. But it's online play and it's just people just rage hacking.

Hank, you follow that?

I know Hank said, Hank said yes.

So quickly right now the Cronus, that's.

That's a Call of Duty thing.

Already got the two case straight.

Yeah. All right. Your cool throne.

My cool throne is to say I.

Had the Cronus because I was so good.

That's a great compliment, Hank.

Were they saying Crohn's okay?

Cool throne.

My cool throne is Kai Sinat. He launched Mafia Thon 3 and that's always a fun time of year because he's on for 24 hours a day, 30 days in a row.

Is he buying bots?

There's bot allegations, there's some charts that suggest maybe botting, some that say no. But his concurrence are still up in like the hundreds of thousands post bot allegations.

So yeah, he's massive anyway. But it's always so funny because like if you are, I feel like if you buy bots for these live streams, you're just waiting for the day where they get rid of the bots and you're just fucked.

Does anybody ever get away with it for life bots?

Yeah, I think there's definitely tons of guys still botting currently that aren't getting called out.

No, I think the bots, they always, they always find the bots. It feels like just anecdotally speaking.

Also a lot of times, like third part, like just fans will bot accounts. So like you're not even the one botting yourself, but you still get bot allegations because anyone can just go throw.

Yeah.

23,000 concurrent at your.

They're false spotting people.

Yeah. Okay. All right, good hot seat. Cool throne. Let's do our Mount Rushmore duel and then we will get to Pete Priscoe, Michael. Awesome interview with Michael Irvin talking about the new Cowboys documentary before we get to the Mount Rushmore Duel, Chevy football season is here. And whether you're grinding through the week or gearing up for kickoff, there's one ride that's always game ready. Chevy Silverado. The Chevy Silverado is a longtime partner, pardon my take. And our favorite truck. And it's all about grit. From job site to tailgate, Silverado lets you show up strong and tackle any task. Built for the hustle. Ready for the game. Silverado is America's most dependable full size truck. For J.D. power 2025 award information, visit jdpower.com awards Head to chevy.com to learn more and build your own Chevy Silverado. We love the Chevy Silverado. If you're a truck person, Chevy Silverado number one truck out there. So go get it. For JD Power 2025 award information, visit jdpower.comawards Head to chevy.com to learn more and build your own Chevy Silverado. Okay, Mount Rushmore dual time. Here's what we decided on Tuesday's show and here's how we're going to set it up.

It is going to be pft, Team PFT and Hank versus Team Max and Memes in a three Rushmore duel. Now, both teams have not been given the topics beforehand. We did not collude.

Not only Zach and Big Cat know.

The topics, only Zach and I know the topics. We are going to say the topic. You guys get 30 seconds to, you know, write something down, no googling and then we will fire off. Also, are we going to say that because it's 1v1 to start. Like it's going to be Max versus PFT and then Hank versus memes. You guys can't talk with each other? Are you saying that you can't? No. No, no, no. What?

We can't talk with each other?

Can't talk with.

This is me versus except for I.

Think PFT goes to the couch for the 2v2.

Okay.

Because that way it's even playing field. We're both sitting next.

That's fair.

Okay.

That's fair.

Mega Duel.

Mega Duel. So here's how we're going to do the voting. We're going to release all three polls on Wednesday morning at 7am so that we can get the most like the best voting in terms of people who don't know who picked what. They're just voting blindly. So we'll have this decided by 9am unfortunately, if you're listening to this later in the day, you won't get to vote, but at least you'll get to hear how it goes down. And then on Friday, we'll find out who. If you guys are going up against each other. Right side that for one punishment. Or you guys can just take the punishment as a team, too. All right, you guys ready?

Yep.

Anything else that needs to be discussed? Oh, and also what we decided on Tuesday's show. If Max and Memes lose, Zach and I are going to do the punishment with them. That is our punishment for colluding on Friday, I think. Yeah.

So we have to sweep.

Have to sweep. Team PFT and Hank have to sweep to avoid the punishment.

No room for air.

Should we talk about the punishment real quick? Yes. Okay. So the punishment is going to be the losers of Mount Rushmore season the week after Thanksgiving will do an entire week on the show with a very dark spray tan, frosted tips, puka shell necklace, pop collars. Entire week.

Possibly cargo shorts.

Yes, cargo shorts. Whole.

You have to wear that in the office for the whole week?

The entire week. Yeah. Yeah. You cannot. Yeah. It has just a show. No, no, no. But it's going to debut on the show. You're going to look absolutely ridiculous. We're waiting till after Thanksgiving because we want it. Everyone's a little tan right now. We want to make sure that it really sticks out. How ridiculous. And we're saying, like, couple layers of basically the Jersey Shore. When you close your eyes and think of the memes that would go around, like the Jagermeister guy or whatever.

Jaeger bombs.

Jager bombs from, like, 2010. That guy.

I'm thinking radioactive. Jeff D. Lowe vibes.

Yeah.

Like, they're orange.

Very orange. People are like, holy fuck. What is going on with you? What is wrong with you? All right, who's up first? Mount Rushmore Duel.

Anybody, anywhere, anytime.

So Max is you and me.

Pft. We're up first.

Okay. Would you like to announce the topic?

So bad at thinking on my feet.

Are you. Yeah, yeah.

You're more of a sitting guy.

Do you have the finalized list?

Yeah, yeah.

Okay. I actually. I'm gonna switch. I'm gonna switch who we're gonna do it with, because I think it's funnier this way. No, it's not collusion. It's actually the opposite of collusion. Because if you want to say we told you one way, we sweet switched it at the last minute. That's like, what is it? What's the. The people who keep the, like, Oscars and Emmys. Price Waterhouse.

Oh, the. Yeah, the. The big five Accounting. Yeah, yeah.

So there's no way of you guys to have known. Because if anyone had leaked it, we switched it last second so that you guys would not be able to collude. All right, here we go. I'll say the first one. Zach, you say the second one.

Memes.

Yes, sir.

Memes. Keep your mic on.

Keep your mic on. Memes. That's a good call. All right, Max.

Oh, yeah. Well, I'll keep our mics on.

Max. And pft, you are going to do the Mount Rushmore of people you'd switch lives with. It's a good topic, right? Good topic. Good topic. Who's gonna go first? I think, I think Max. Max. You guys decide. Max and memes. Do you guys want to go first the first time and first the, the third time, or do you want the snake first and third? What do you think, Max? I'll let Max go second for this one. Okay, so he'll go second. He'll go second. He'll go second in the, in this one, and then you guys will go second in the last one. Yes. Okay. All right, I'm gonna give you guys another 45 seconds. Let's talk amongst ourselves. Memes, Zach. Max took his headphones off to think. I'll give you a minute. Memes, Max. Or sorry. Memes, Hank, Zach. What do you guys want to talk about?

You can feel the intense thought in.

This booth right now. Max has his hands over his ears like a baby. He looks like a four year old with a fire truck going by. For those at home, he doesn't have much written down. He's a little late on this. PFT is going to go first. I have the timer set. You have 30 seconds. You have 30 seconds.

Feeling like you should be able.

You should hear that.

You have 30 seconds.

Definitely going to be, it's going to be like a chef, like a food Network chef. Someone on the Philadelphia Eagles.

Yep, Yep. This is a tough one. It's fun. It's fun. This is a fun one.

There's so many lives you could swap with.

Yeah, you can't, you can't spoil this. But his first pick is 100 going to be Guy Fieri.

PFT has about four solid names written down. Max is struggling and time. Time. He has time. Tell him he's got three names. Stop talking.

Time.

Tell him. Time. Time. Time. You had 30 seconds. Time.

I have three names written down. I, I, I'm panicked.

I panicked, okay? The duels aren't for everyone. I mean, I'm panicking too, because we have to do the, with you.

We need, we need Max perform here.

Yeah. Max, you got to step up, buddy. All right. Pft. You have the first pick in Mount Rushmore of people you would like to trade lives with.

This is tough one. This is a tough one One.

Okay.

You're gonna, you're, you're, you're in a better spot than me. I promise you.

I'm happy we did this one and not the other one because the other one would have broken Max's. Okay. The other one has at least a fair.

All right, number one. I'm gonna go with Leonardo DiCaprio.

Okay. Okay. Dating 25 year olds. Okay.

I like boats.

Yep. Okay.

Thank you.

Okay.

I am going to go with my number one pick. Timothy Chalamet.

Okay.

Okay.

Pick. Good. Pick.

My number two. My number two will be this.

Your life is so sweet that you don't even. You can't even think of anyone.

Cristiano Ronaldo.

Oh, okay.

I didn't even have that one on my board. Didn't have that on my board.

Okay.

I, I. Last second. I don't know.

That was bad. Whatever that was.

Panic pick.

All right. Yep. Okay.

Why did I say that?

Oh, I'm going to go with Josh Allen.

I had that. Oh, good pick.

Should have taken him. Why'd you say Cristiano Ronaldo?

I don't know.

He was.

Now I'm really.

You could like, look at yourself in the mirror, be like, damn, I'm.

I don't know. He's like the most like, famous guy ever. Girls are obsessed with him.

He's.

All right, next pick.

Saudi money. Yeah.

Dave Portnoy.

Oh, interesting.

Josh Allen's sick.

A lot of cash. Just gamble all the time.

Interesting.

Make your own hours interesting. You've got great dogs.

He's got a lot of work coming up this football season, but that you.

Don'T really have to do. He does if you don't feel like it.

Well, then, Then I have to do that. Yeah, exactly. Fuck. You got this, man. Okay, Max.

Okay, I'm going to go back to my original name that I had. Well, wait, I had two picks.

You have two picks.

Okay, first pick. Scotty Scheffler.

Okay, good pick.

It would be awesome to just be awesome at golf. Like the. Just so much better than everyone else at golf.

Yep.

Wouldn't have that same head of hair.

Yep.

This next pick is going to be a bad pick. I know it's going to be a bad.

Don't make it that.

But I can't think I, I'm make.

A good pick instead.

But it's not that bad of a pick. No, it's probably a pretty bad pick.

Oh, man, he's crumbling.

I'm going to go with crumbling. Okay, my last pick. Would you like to go? Do you have a pick instead?

I'm ready to go, man.

You're giving up your last pick? Come on. Come on, Max.

Like the Minnesota Vikings.

Come on, Max. Four people relying on you. Come on, Max.

This is bad, Max.

I want to collude so bad right now, but I'm not going to.

I am going to go with my last pick.

There's. I just can't. Jesus.

Come on, man. Come on, man.

Come on. Come on, man. You gotta say. You gotta it. This is the.

This is the only thing I got.

Shohei.

I don't know why.

Okay. No, that's.

Shohei was my pick.

That's not a bad pick.

Okay, my last pick. I'm gonna go with MySpace. Tom, the guy that founded MySpace, has hundreds.

Oh, no.

Doesn't like it. I like.

I don't give a if. Hank, that's a great pick. Dude has a hundreds. Hundreds of millions of dollars. He just fucked off and now he's on an island.

This poll just got interesting. You both. You both kind of blew. No, I know.

You guys are wrong. MySpace, Tom, is a great pick also, by the way.

That whole.

That whole time I was trying to buy time, I was trying to think of a single musician. Couldn't think of one. Yeah, think of a single musician.

All right, let's save honorable mentions. I'm going to give Zach. Let's give these guys their next Mount Rushmore topic because they're going to need a little time. This is what you guys would have been given, but we decided to flip it at the last second because we thought the minds of Hank and Memes will be very funny doing this one. Yeah. Zach, would you like to debut it and then we'll discuss.

Okay.

Okay.

The honorable mentions, memes and Hank, you'll be competing in the Mount Rushmore of inventions.

Oh, there's no way. We thought that would have been a little tilted in PFT's favor.

Mount Rushmore.

What inventions. Oh, wow. You versus Max would have been not fair. But this is very fair.

I crushed Max in that one.

Yeah. All right, so. So you can even think of a thing. Honorable mention.

Name one human.

Let's talk about. Let's talk about honorable mentions written down.

And then I. Yeah, I thought about Shohei. I said, no, that's a bad pick.

No one. No one thought maybe Bezos.

I thought about Bezos. But everyone hates Bezos.

I know, but that's better. So much money.

Everyone hates.

What about Steph Curry? So sick. Steph Curry would be so sick.

The only basketball player I could think of was LeBron.

Yeah. Steph Curry. University.

And then I went wemby. And I was like, that would suck being that tall. This is all what was going through my head.

Steph Curry. Normal sized guy.

Yeah. Yeah. Steph Curry would be awesome. Who else? Who else would we. Guy Fieri. We thought you were going to take Guy Fieri.

Guy Fieri is a good one.

Guy Fieri would have been a great one.

I still can't think of a musician.

Yeah. I mean, the positions are like old.

Post Malone's pretty chill.

Yeah.

John Summit.

John Summit would have been a good answer.

50 Cent.

50 Cent. Trey would have been.

No, I like my list. I like my.

No, you don't.

Jalen Hurts.

You like my list?

John Mayer.

John Mayer would be cool.

John Mayer would be really cool.

John Mayer.

Do your own music. Got to do dead music.

John Mayer.

No, but.

But Swifties hate you.

Who cares? They hate us. Anyway.

It's true.

I almost said I went back to the well of the Kentucky Derby winning horse because then you just get to retire and just all day. But then that opens me up to you. Would horses.

Yeah. Yeah.

And that would be a problem.

Yeah.

Has anyone been keeping track of this time?

They're going to need a little bit.

Of time for pensions.

Who else?

Putin probably has a pretty good life.

Why didn't you do Jaden Daniels?

Oh, Putin. Well, he hasn't really gotten paid yet.

Yeah.

But he's gonna get also the no girls thing.

Panic. Yeah, that's a panic. Jason Kelsey, also Joe Burrow would have.

Been a sick one. That would have been a sick one. Because Josh Allen is married. Yeah. Joe Burrow still single.

That's true.

Yeah. I'm trying to think who else. Oh, I would have maybe thrown out like a Usain Bolt or something. Just be the fastest man ever.

That'd be sick.

Would be awesome.

What about. What about Travis Kelsey?

Travis Kelsey. Yeah. Although. What? Yeah. Be sick. Yeah.

What do you mean? What do you mean? What's that pause about? I just said but kind of waited for a while. There sounded like something on your minds.

It would be. It would be so sick.

Cat got your tongue? What's up?

Yeah, it'd be so, so sick. Trying to think who else.

I can't believe.

I just couldn't think of who's like the richest. Who's Ah, it would be kind of.

Sick to be like Stephen Jones, Jerry Jones's son.

Yeah. I don't think it like another, you know, or like, pick like an owner. Like an owner's son that gets to, like, you know, you're gonna get to own the team forever.

Tony Khan.

Tony Khan would be sick.

Tony Khan be great.

Tony Khan would be sick. He gets to do wrestling, and he's gonna get to do the Jaguars.

Yep.

Yeah. Yeah. There's some owner's sons out there.

Tom Brady.

Tom Brady. We're getting a lot of time. Yeah. All right. You guys good? I'm good. All right, here we go. You have the first pick. Memes. This is the Mount Rushmore of inventions.

Leaving Mike's or leaving mics on.

Yep.

Come on, Hank.

Hey, Hank.

You got the ball.

Hank.

I'm not even gonna look at you.

Memes.

I was panicking so much. I had Shohei written down. I crossed it out and I wrote it again. We should put in the pictures of our notes.

Okay.

Whispering.

Who's up? Memes. I'm up.

I don't know what to pick.

1. 1. It's tough.

The first pick.

Would electricity be an invention? Yeah.

That's a discovery.

Is that a discovery or invention?

Discovery. Not an invention.

No, not an invention. You can go off of electricity. Oh, sorry. We'll go light bulb. Okay. That's. That's an invention.

Yeah. Good pick.

Yeah. Light bulb is an invention.

We are going to go with. I am going to go with the iPhone.

Okay.

And the wheel.

All right.

Oh, good.

Nice start. I thought wheel was going to be. You got great value on the wheel.

Great value. Memes is a little befuddled. He felt good about electricity. He was the one.

Light bulb is still a good pick.

Yeah. But he also was the one who's like, hey, are we gonna pick you? You were ready to go. I have so many. Okay. Football. Okay. That's really, really, really, really good pick means. Oh, memes. Way to come back.

Hank knows that.

Yeah.

I mean, it's just.

Well, Hank, we could, like, do.

We could just do a best. We might as well just do best sports.

But. Well, I mean, that's a really good pick.

You could have taken football.

The ball or the sport.

You had two chances to take football.

And then follow up. Pick ice cream. Oh, also a good pick.

We will go with the Internet.

Okay. Strong, Hank. Strong.

Gotta close this out, Hank.

And we will go. I mean, I do. Do you want me to go? I guess. You can't.

You can't co. Can't coach.

Can't coach.

I'm deciding internally if I should just go with actual historical greatest inventions that, you know, procrastination or just, like, something, you know, cheeky, like memes is doing.

Oh, well, just do whatever you want to do. Go cheeky.

Right now I have wheel, maxes, iPhone.

So many fat jokes.

No, there's a butt joke.

It's but about fat.

But it's fat butt.

It's.

Your butt's out my bun.

But that's because I'm fat.

Go the Xbox.

Oh, hey, what are you. What are PlayStation people gonna say to that?

You could have said video games, but that's not like.

It's not. I don't know.

We took integrity. He's about integrity. Okay. Can't play Xbox without a television.

Oh, thought you were gonna go TV with last.

That's a tight one. That's a tight one.

You think I should have done cotton gin?

No, no, I think he did better with the ice.

I don't know what a cotton gin does.

No, it does some with cotton. Makes you. Makes liquor out of cotton, does it?

Right?

No, I have no idea. All right, what was. What did you guys have left off the board?

Car, Toilet, Guitar.

Car.

Credit card chip. Bidet. Cotton gin. Casinos.

Yeah. Car, shoes. Chili's music. Benihana, Double decker, taco. A gun. I just wrote heat on here. A toilet. The metric system, High speed trains.

Thought of so many. So many things. I could only think.

Did you take people ac?

No, dude.

Air conditioning. Is that would be on my list.

Would alcohol. Alcohol would have played, right?

Alcohol. What about fire? That's, I guess, kind of discovery too.

Yeah.

Planes.

Cocaine.

Yeah, that's a good one.

Yeah. All right. That was a good Mount Rushmore. Good. I feel good about that. All right, the last one. So we'll give you the last one. I think maybe for the podcast listeners, maybe we edit out the time that you guys are going to be able to think because we won't. Zach and I won't talk during this because we want you guys to be able to. Really.

We got to go head. Everyone headphones off too.

Headphones off. So we'll give you five full minutes and we'll edit this part out of. Of you guys thinking. Okay, can Zach.

Can Zach sit in your seat five full? Because we need a headphone. We need to get headphones over there.

Yeah, can you just. Yeah.

Bring those headphones to Hank C. And then you use PFT's headphones.

Yeah, five full minutes because it's a little bit Of a tricky one. We were gonna go. We were gonna go letter, but then we realized the awls would be very upset about that. Didn't want to have it be decided on a letter.

No Googling.

If you wanted to. If you. If you wanted to play at home, the letter was gonna be B. I don't know if anyone wants burgers. Basketballs. Okay. The finale for the duel is going to be the Mount Rushmore of laws you'd make if you could be lawmaker for a day. Okay.

And no Googling.

No Googling. All right, I'm gonna start the timer right now. Five minutes. We'll cut this the five minutes out for the podcast listeners, but I'm gonna start the timer now. Okay, we're back.

I have a question for the. For the panel, for the judges, please. Do you think this will matter?

I don't. I think it probably went 1:1 if I had to guess.

I have a question.

Yeah.

Do these have to be logical?

No.

Okay, good.

Not at all. So it's Mount Rushmore of laws you would make if you were a lawmaker for a day. So the laws stay forever. You just become a lawmaker for a day and you're like, I want this law. I want that law. I want this law.

I think there's no way to know until the polls come out. If they come out like. But if we're doing them hour by hour, like, if you did them all.

At once, that hit him. Shaking his head like that at you was very patronizing. Well, I asked.

I asked an opinionated question, and he just.

I.

You know, he didn't give me an answer. It was a yes or no. And you said, I'm telling you, I.

Think they matter if the polls come out hour by hour. If they all come out at once, I think you guys lost.

Okay. Okay. That makes sense. It's actually a fair answer. Yeah. And what did we decide? Are they all coming out at once?

Yes.

Yeah. Okay.

So you guys go first.

Hank and pft, you're up first. Mount Rushmore of laws you'd make if you were a lawmaker for a day.

Day after the super bowl is holiday.

Good pick.

We had it.

One. One good pick.

They had it.

Then we realized there's a much better. There's a much better pick there.

Oh, much better.

Pick it Max.

Four day work week.

Oh, all right, all right.

Communist Four day work week.

I said. DFT said no.

Well, I thought that there. There's gonna be a lot of people out there being like you, entitled millennials and Gen zers. You don't want to work anymore. You don't know the value of a hard day's work.

Four days.

You want everything handed to you.

Four days.

What are we, people?

Just go to work and mail it in?

Max is a place.

Why not just go and be efficient?

I like it. They're fighting with each other.

Max. There's a place like that. It's called Europe.

Important question, though, Max. Would it be Monday or Friday?

I would say.

Friday, so. Wrong answer. Wrong answer. Monday is by far because you. You have a regular weekend, and then Monday you use as your get back day.

Yeah, no, I would rather you have a longer weekend.

No, it's Max. Same amount of days.

No, but. No, because you treat it different.

Friday already is a weekend day.

Friday's already the best day on the calendar. Monday, you were raised.

Thursday is awesome.

No, but Thursday already is kind of awesome.

But then Wednesday becomes awesome.

No, Wednesday is. Is fine. You just have Wednesday.

Whatever.

You get Monday off. Then you get to party all day on Sunday.

Right? And then also your Monday is your recoup day. Do laundry, go to the gym, all that stuff. Friday, you would never do any of that.

Yeah, Monday would be like a.

Also, why not?

Why not just one day work week. If we're going to logical.

Well, people gotta work.

Yeah, people gotta work.

Come on.

Not in Max's world.

All right, this is another thing that doesn't really make sense in a real world. But that's. This is the one where I asked the question, does it have to be logical?

Okay, then yeah, just no work.

Okay.

No, no, this one no working. We all not no work, but no taxes.

No taxes. Okay. Good pick. I think these guys might have had it as well.

Good pick. We did have that one.

Okay. That was the first thing Hank said. He said, no taxes, no work.

Okay.

We're like still get paid.

We're gonna go with you microwave seafood at work, you go to jail.

Oh, I like that one.

Jail pick immediately get you get escorted out in handcuffs.

Zach.

I think it's a good pick.

You ever do that at the. At the dealership? No.

You got to know there's going to be an aroma that you should put other people through with that.

Your eyes are so blue and striking from this distance. I appreciate that. Okay. Sorry if that was weird.

We're talking about jail. And so Big Cat started going back to the jail thing.

Back to top, bottom bunk.

Yeah.

All right, next pick. Ours.

Yeah.

Release all the Epstein files.

Ooh, all of them.

That's a good Pick. I didn't think of it, but that's a really good pick.

For real?

This is a really good pick.

Yeah.

Your pedophile prison.

Yeah, that's a really good pick.

Possibly executed.

It's a really good pick.

Our next pick, we're going to go with universal healthcare.

Oh, yeah. You guys are taking Europe.

Nice. Like that pick. To top off Europe, we're going to go legalize prostitution. Oh, I. I like your world. That's a good world.

I mean, that's the horniest thing anyone's ever said on the show.

That's a good world. Memes, will you. Are you going to say anything to the horniest accusations? No. Legalizing prostitution is actually better. It's better for the women. A lot of women get trapped out. It's also legalize it. Let the women get paid. And would you partake in the legalized prostitution? I might become one. Good answer.

Great answer.

The last pick.

All right, where are we going here?

I love the face Hank has because it means that PFT might go rogue.

I might go rogue, and I love that I'm gonna go rogue. Commercials have to be the same volume as the TV shows that they're on.

Okay. All right. Good pick. Good pick. Good pick.

I don't like. I don't like the fluctuations.

What else did you guys have?

We had banning all the things that convenience stores asking for a tip.

Oh, that's good.

We had a refund on all subscriptions that you haven't used in a year like that.

I would have picked all games have to go over memes.

That's not exactly similar, but sports related.

You can say that sports owners need to sell their team if the team doesn't make the playoffs for five years. Yeah. That's my rule. Yeah.

I had just arrest Max.

Yep.

Yep.

I would just arrest Max.

Yeah. Fix all roads. Oh, good one.

That's good.

Fix all roads is a great one.

But no traffic.

No traffic.

You just fix them without, like, having to spend the time to get things.

Just like everyone does a week off and we just fix all the roads.

I. That's a great idea.

Yeah. Why do we do that during COVID.

If we just did one week and no more traffic.

Yeah. Every day inside for one week, no more traffic.

Drugs are all legal. If you can prove that you can handle them.

I. I said that, and meme said that was a bad idea.

If you can hang.

If you can hang.

Yeah.

You do like a supervised hang sesh. Hang sesh with a monitor. And they're like, okay, this Guy's cool.

Okay. High speed trains. That was on my last one, too.

I just like looking at the props. Yeah. You guys, you guys drafted Europe on in Mount Rushmore, which is. That's something I would expect out of Hank, to be honest.

Hank, you were fighting against PFT for my picks.

Well, Hank loves Europe. We know that.

Well, no, that's just specifically the work one.

Taxes.

Yeah.

But there's places in America with no taxes or whatever. No state income tax.

All right, all right.

I think we might have gone two for three.

Yeah, we'll see. I think it was a vote. I feel good. Good, Feel good. All right.

Good, good.

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Okay, we now welcome on one of our favorite guests. It's become a tradition. He's a very special guest. It's Pete Prisco, senior NFL columnist for CBSSports.com and analyst for CBS Sports HQ. Pete, it's the best week of the year. Football is back. We're ready to roll. We want to do a comprehensive NFL preview with you. Let's maybe do it a little bit in order. Do you want to go division by division? Because it might be. And then we can pop up with questions here and there.

Yeah, sure. All right, let's do it that way.

All right.

Let's not revisit all my stupid picks from a year ago either.

What was the stupid.

I'd forgotten what your stupid picks were last year, by the way.

I almost just said what was the stupidest pick? What was the dumbest pick you had.

Will Levis would be really good.

Oh, and then the year before you had Jaguars in the Super Bowl.

The schedule, though. You remember the schedule?

Yeah, yeah, the schedule.

The schedule.

We didn't, we didn't know Doug Peterson would be a disaster, did we?

Okay. All right. So yeah, this doesn't, this doesn't really bode well for our big NFL preview when we start with that. All right, let's start with, let's do the AFC east first. Bills. Easy winner for the Bills. Tell us your thoughts about the AFC East. Maybe surprise team. I have a, I have a take and you could tell me if I'm wrong. I think the Dolphins have a chance to be disastrous.

I tend to agree with you. I don't like that team at all. I think they're going to have big changes after the season. I would agree with you 100% on the dolphins. I think the Bills run away with it. And if you look at the bill schedule, the Bill schedule is as favorable as any first place team has ever had. They play all the tough teams at home. They don't go any further west than Houston when they play the Texans. And they have the look to me of a 13 win team. I really believe that maybe 14. I think they run away with the division, their class of it. Look at their schedule to open the season before they play the Chiefs. If they beat the Raven. Now, the Ravens is a tough game at home, but you're supposed to win that game on a Sunday night and then look at the next games before they play the Chiefs. They should almost, they should be winning every one of those games.

Yeah, they have the Jets, Dolphins, Saints, Patriots, Falcons, Panthers. Yeah, you're, I mean, schedule, you're right. That's a nice schedule to start the season.

It sounds like you're saying that you're not, you're not a believer just yet in Drake May.

No, I'm a believer in Drake May. I'm just not a believer in that team this year. I think they're a year away. I, I think getting brave on there, they'll instill the toughness. They have six new guys starting on defense. I mean, that they picked up in free agency. That's hard to mesh that group together. But I think next year they're going to be really good. So I think they're a year away.

Okay, what about the, what about the South? The AFC South? Are you thinking the Jaguars? I mean, it's kind of, kind of a make a break here.

Memes just was like what the. Because we didn't say anything about the Jets.

Oh, yeah.

Come back. We'll come back to the Jets.

We'll circle back on the. We'll put them in a holding pattern right now.

Yeah.

What about the South Pete? The Jaguars?

Well, I think the division's bad. I'll be. I'll start there. I don't think it's a very good division. I think the Texans schedule is brutal. I don't think they've improved their offensive line, but I'm still picking them. I think their defense is going to be nasty, but it's going to be close. I think. I think Jacksonville is going to be right there with them. You know, the winner will win nine games. They're not going to run away with it. None of those teams in that division are very good. And so I think the Texans are the best team because of their defense, but I worry about their offensive line. I mean, you got a rookie starting at left tackle and nursery. The right tackle they got is okay. The two guards, Tomlinson and Ed Ingram was the worst lineman on. On Minnesota last year. I just don't like their offensive line. I think that's going to be a problem for them. I think they win the division barely over Jackson.

What's a successful season for the Titans in Cam Ward? Because I'm excited about Cam Ward, and I think the Titans could maybe be a little bit friskier than people expect and be in some of these games and maybe have a say in the AFC south whether they win it or not. But, you know, a team that kind of can beat a Texans late can be the Jaguars late and upset the whole division.

Yeah, I don't. I don't think they have enough talent on that team. I think he's going to be okay, and he didn't look great in the preseason, I'll be honest with you. But I think he's going to be good. He's smart, he's accurate, he can throw the football. He's got that, you know, first one in, last one out. So I do think he'll be good. I just don't know where the talent is on that team. They think they've upgraded the offensive line by getting Dan Moore. He wasn't that good last year. I think the offensive line might be better, but not how much better. Aside from Ridley, where is he throwing the football to? And defensively, they just. Just don't have a lot of playmakers outside of Simmons, so I don't know how much better they'll be. I think they're another team. You got to look to the future. The question is, does Brian Callahan get to be part of that future?

And what about the Colts? Because some are saying that if Daniel Jones can be Andy Dalton, then the Colts should make the playoffs this year. Do you think Daniel Jones can be Andy Dalton?

No, I don't think he's going to be that good again. I get the idea that don't mess it up. Turn and hand the ball off the Taylor, pretty good offensive line. Playmakers off the play action. You got the tight end, the rookie tight end. Warren's going to catch a ton of passes. So I get that whole idea, but I don't know if Daniel Jones is capable of putting it on his right arm when he has to. Andy Dalton could at times. I mean, Andy Dalton threw the ball around pretty well at times. I don't know if Daniel Jones can do that. So I don't think they're a playoff team. The fact that it was a competition with Anthony Richardson speaks a lot of things about Daniel Jones, but it also speaks a lot of things about Anthony and where the Colts are. They could have changes after the season.

So in your advanced analytics and really you watch the tape more than anything, you're a tape watcher. What type of bump do you give the Colts? Just not having Gus Bradley in the building anymore?

Well, they'll be less predictable. But you know, it's funny, they replaced it with Anna Rumo, who was predictable in Cincinnati, right?

Yeah.

I mean, at the end. Yeah, but for a while he was a pretty good coordinator.

But then they played all kind. All they did was play zone and it became very predictable. In fact, they had a lot of guys that were man to man corners that should have been playing more man. They played zone. So I do think they'll be better on defense. They. They also have some corner issues. I mean, they were going to start a rookie corner and he got hurt, the kid from Minnesota, and he went down. And now they're going to start Jalen Jones at one corner. So they're going to have some problems at corner as well. I do think they'll be a little bit better on defense. Again, it's Daniel Jones. If the game's on the line in the third and fourth quarter, can Daniel Jones go win the game with his right arm? I don't know if he can.

Danny Dimes.

Yeah, I just, I, I see the fact that he spent half a season in Minnesota and I'm like, he's fixed and he's going to come out he's going to be great. That's that. That's my blind analytics going in the season.

I like that. Well, everybody, everybody goes to Minnesota gets fixed. Right. Sam Darnold got fixed and JJ McCarthy is going to suddenly be able to hit everything that he never could hit before. Before. It's all getting fixed in Minnesota.

Yeah. All right. So what about the AFC West? Tell me what you think about the Chiefs going to this year. You think Xavier Worthy is like a true number one threat now at receiver for the Chiefs?

I don't know if he's a true number one. There's only so many true number ones, but I think he's going to be their number one.

Oh, give us the true number ones.

Jefferson, Chase, Tyree, Kill when he's playing and focused. Brian Thomas will be a true number one. There aren't many of them. That's, that's, you know, we're, we're getting to the limit right there. We're getting close to it.

All right. So. So, yeah. What do you think about what should we expect out of Xavier Worthy in that offense this year?

Here's what you can expect down in the offense. I think Mahomes is going to get back to looking like Mahomes again. I think they're going to get the ball down the field. You mentioned Worthy got the speed. Hollywood Brown can run. When Rice gets back, he can go. And the biggest difference will be the offensive line. Josh Simmons was the best offensive lineman in the draft. It wasn't close. He had the knee issue. He had some, you know, off the field stuff. Guys were concerned about not, not problems, but just was he as focused as he should be? He steps in there now, he's, he's going to be one of the best left tackles. Now the line, you move the, you know, the summa t into left guard, they're bigger and stronger. They already had two really good ones in Humphrey and Trey Smith and Juan Taylor played hurt all last year. So it's going to be time for Mahomes to throw the ball down the field for the first time in a long time. He's going to look like Mahomes. The ball will go down the field. He's going to put up better numbers.

They're going to be right smack dab in the middle of it all again.

So are you picking the Chiefs to win that division?

Yes.

All right, so who's fighting for second? Who do you see finishing second place in the AFC West?

Denver. I think Denver's defense is unreal. I think they're good across the board. You add Greenlaw to the defense, he's going to help them a great deal. You know, their corners will be better. They drafted Baron in the first round. I think defensively they're going to be among the best in the league. The question is offensively, how do they do they run the ball? And I know people rave about their offensive line. It's good. It's not as good. I don't think it's as good as people give it credit for, but can they run the ball? And who runs the ball? And I think, you know, when you look at it from that standpoint, is it Dobbins? Everybody wants to get Harvey on the field, but he doesn't pick up the blitzes. And so Peyton's not going to play if you don't pick up the blitzes. So I want to know if they can run the ball. And there's the other part of the equation now there's a whole season of tape on Bo Nix and how they use them. Last year, does he get better? I think he does. And talking to some of the coaches, talking to Sean Payton at times about he didn't barely get to his reads last year.

He was kind of learning on the fly and he put up those numbers. So I do think he's going to be better.

Am I crazy for thinking the Raiders are going to be in that frisky category just because Gino and Pete Carroll is going to give a little consistency to that organization? Am I crazy? I know they probably have a lot of talent gaps, but am I crazy for thinking they're going to be one of those teams that's, you know, middle of the pack? Not saying playoffs, but again, a team that could maybe beat some good teams down the stretch and have an impact on the playoff picture.

Yeah, they might win five games.

Okay, so that's a no. That's a no.

No.

That's a nice way of saying no.

No, I did. When I look at their defense, there's not a lot of talent on it. Crosby is a game wrecker by himself, but they need Koons to step up and play. And then you look at the cornerback position, I mean, Stokes is going to be one of their starting corners. He was, you know, packers who have cornerback needs, didn't want them. I just think there's not a ton of talent on the defensive side of the ball that that will show up. I do think they'll be pretty good on offense. You got two tight ends and, you know, Bowers is going to be A big time player. He's going to play a lot of mayor. And then you go to the, you go to the. Genti's going to be a great runner. The off line's pretty good and Gino's capable of making plays down the field. So I think offensively they'll be okay. I worry about the defense overs, so.

So bet a lot of Raiders overs this year.

Correct.

I like that.

I like that.

What about the Chargers? I know that, you know, the Rashawn Slater injury was, was catastrophic. How, how do you feel about the Chargers? Because it did feel like last year, you know, you got the Harbaugh kind of bump where he gets, he gets that team rolling in the right direction. Do they take a step forward or is it because this is a big year for Justin Herbert? I know he's gotten paid, but the noise is starting to get there and I want to see him, you know, win the playoff game and be the quarterback that everyone thinks he is. True.

He is. A big year for him. It's a big year for a lot of these courts. Big year for Trevor Lawrence. I think they both have some proving to do, both of them. And so, yeah, I think Herbert has to prove things.

Here's.

You know, when you talk about Slater, all will be okay over there, but he's not Slater. And what that does, it weakens you at two spots because now Trey Pipkins has to go in and play right tackle. So all of a sudden your two strengths at the tackle positions have become weaker than they were. And I'm not going to say Alt's not going to be good at that spot. It'll be okay, pretty good, but he's not going to be Slater. And so you're weakened at two spots and when you're built on the offensive line being the dominant part of that team, that could be concerning defensively. They gave up a ton of yards on the ground last year. That's something that has to stop as well. You know, they went out and got guys, but I don't know if they're that much better. So, yeah, they'll be in the mix with Denver, but I think they're the third team and might be a team on the outside looking in the postseason.

I forget where have you stood historically on the Justin Herbert debate? Are you a fan?

Yes, I am. I think he's got all kinds of talent and skill set and there's been reasons they haven't won in the playoffs. I mean, he did score a boatload at Jacksonville and the defense gave up A boatload in the second half. That wasn't the.

But do you watch the tape?

Yes.

Okay.

What about his body language?

Don't bother me.

What about him dating Madison Beer? Do you give him a little bump in your numbers for that?

Is he. Is he following in the footsteps of the guy in Buffalo?

Madison Beer's very attractive.

Yeah. I mean quarterbacks.

Yeah.

Yeah. Josh Allen was the first quarterback to date a hot chick. And so. So Justin Herbert saw that. He's like the blueprints out there. I'm going to get one of those.

I got to get one of those.

Yeah, well, he's smart if he's doing it. Yeah. Look, I think Justin Herbert's not the problem in, in with the Chargers. He just isn't. And anybody who thinks he is is misguided.

All right, let's talk AFC east, and then we can talk about the jets afterwards. AFC north, and then we talk about the jets afterwards.

Now we'll save for the jets for the end.

Okay, jets at the end. Pete, are you. How do you feel about Aaron Rodgers right now from. Based on what you saw out of him last time he was on the Jets? There's our jets talk. Where do you think he is as a quarterback right now?

I'll tell you what, the last six games of the season, I thought he was back close to being Aaron Rodgers again. I mean, I really did go back and look at his last six games. He played well.

And.

And nobody wants to say no. Everybody says, oh, he wasn't the same guy once he kind of got sort of healthy. He was the same guy with a bad, you know, offensive system and a bad. He had Garrett Wilson, but the team wasn't great. And so I, I think it wasn't on him. He, by the way, he threw more touchdown passes than Herbert and Mahomes last year, in case anybody's wondering. So he. And he tied Josh Allen for a number of touchdown passes, too. So I think he's capable. I worry about that team, though. What's the Pittsburgh identity? It's always been the run the ball. They didn't run the ball last year.

Yeah.

Can they run the ball this year? You know, they paid Jaylen Warren. Is he going to run the ball? Johnson, the rookie going to be running the ball? Are they going to run the ball at all? That's the. If they don't run the ball, it's going to be a long season for Ferreira Rodgers.

Yeah.

Is this, Is this a year where they. They don't go 500? Were they dip below.

Well, they're not the worst team in the division. The Browns are. So they're probably the third team in the division, so maybe they'll be. Yeah, they might. They could dip below.

Do you have any faith in the Bengals defense going into the season? And I actually will say it in. I like that the Bengals started playing their. Their ones on offense in the preseason because we've seen it time and time again. They put themselves in a hole to start the year. If they didn't do that last year, they're a playoff team. They would have been dangerous. But do you feel like that defense can play just like, what, 20th? If they're the 20th defense, that's a really good football team, is that fair to say?

Yeah, maybe a little better than that. 7. If they're 17th, 16th, the defense are going to be really good. Right. And I think the change in coordinators will be good for them. Al Golden's a good coach and he's going to be much more aggressive. That. That to me, is the biggest difference. Corners on that team, Cam Taylor, Britt Turner, Dax Hill, they're man to man guys. They, they look like they would excel man to man, and they will. But he didn't play him in man to man and he looked lost in the zone last year. So I think that will be big improvement. I think they need to be better against the run, which is key. But yeah, I think they'll be better on defense. I don't know if they get the 15, but they might get to 17, 18 if they do that. We know that offense is going to score. They're going to be a team to. To reckon with in that division.

Yeah.

And so what about the Browns? We talked about the Browns. Shador, Dylan Gabriel, who do you think is going to be the number two? And then do you think Joe Flacco is going to get benched before or after week five?

I'm going to say after week five. And I'm going to say Dylan Gabriel be the first guy in and should be the first guy in. He outplayed. He outplayed Shador Sanders. It wasn't close. And he was drafted ahead of him for a reason, and nobody wants to hear that, but that's the reality of it. He's a better player. And Shador Sanders holds the ball.

He does.

He's one of those guys that, that, you know, he's got to adjust to the NFL game. Open in college is different than open in the NFL and he hasn't realized that yet. Dylan Gabriel is kind of A little ahead of him.

Now, on the film, did you see that the. The Browns offensive linemen were told not to block as hard for Shador the preseason?

Yeah, I don't. I don't know where anybody got that. Guys are fighting for their lives, and everybody's making excuses for him. Look, he was every bit as responsible for some of those things, sacks as they were. And so the whole narrative that people are working against your Dorsey for what reason? What's the reason? Give me somebody come up with a reason why they're working against them.

They. They hate Dion because they cheer for a rival school. And so then they're upset because of the Colorado effect, and their team didn't get as much shine even though they were a better team last year. And so now they hate Shador because of that. Hypothetically, yeah.

I don't believe any of that. Once guys get to the NFL, fans don't give a rat's ass what school you went to. They just don't. I don't buy that.

So where'd you go to school again?

Right here, baby. Sun Devils.

Okay.

Works up, forks up. What's the weakness on the Ravens? I assume you have the Ravens winning the AFC north, correct?

I do.

And what's the weakness?

Well, I think it's. Do they have an edge rusher? You have to point to when you come to the line of script, scrimmage. And by that, I mean they manufacture pressure. But at some point, you get to a certain situation in the playoffs, and they faced this before, where you come up and you go, there he is. He's going to wreck the game for me. Van Noy, good player. Does he wreck the game on his own? No. Do you know Mike Green, the rookie? If he's what some people think he can be, he might be that guy by the end of the season. But that, to me, is their biggest weakness right now.

Okay, Jets.

Do we want to wait till the end?

Yeah, we'll wait till the end. Let's go to the nfc.

One quick thing. One quick thing on the Ravens. They also have to learn to win in the playoffs.

Yeah.

Yeah, Jackson. I mean, for all the. For all the accolades he gets. And they have to learn how to win in the playoffs, too. He hasn't been as good.

So what's your AFC Championship game? You have the Bills. And who else?

Bills, Bills and Chiefs.

Bills and Chiefs. And they finally do. The Bills finally get over the hump?

You betcha.

And where's the game?

The games in Buffalo with those 14, 13, 14 wins, they're going to get to the. They're going to have the championship game at Buffalo. It's going to be nutty.

Yeah. NFC East. I'll let you take it away. Pft.

NFC East. I feel like the Philadelphia Eagles are at the front. Well, they are the betting favorite right now, as well as they should be. I'm actually a little bit interested to see what happens in New York. I feel like with the kind of overhaul that they've done offensively, it might be a different team this year. It might be a team that might challenge for that wild card.

Russ is pretty good. Is he weird? That was bait for you.

That was bait for you.

He's not.

I mean, he's. He's one of the best moonball throwers that we've ever seen, so he's got that going for him. I just think he's going to be looking over his shoulder the entire time he's playing for the Giants because, you know they're going to play Jackson Dart at some point. They're going to. But. But I will say this. Their pass rush is going to be nasty. They're going to get after. They're going to stay in games starting this week. They're going to stay that game against your commanders. It's going to be a close game just because they can rush the passer. They are that kind of team. But I don't think. I don't think they're going to win a ton of games. And at some point, Jackson Dart is playing for the Giants.

So excluding Cam Ward, what rookie quarterback are we going to see first? Dart. You think Dart's going to come in before Dylan Gabriel comes in in Cleveland?

Okay.

Yes, I do.

Tyler Shook.

No, I think. I think Rattler's gonna play for more.

Than you think that.

I feel like that might be a week three.

Whoa.

I might get shucked down there.

That's. That. That's not what you hear, though.

I'm telling you. You hear stuff we don't hear.

What are you hearing?

Yeah, it's going to be longer than you think. He was a little. He was a little in over his head there, and it's going to take him a while.

He.

By the way, he's older than Rattler, isn't he? I think he's a year old.

Fun fact. I like so. All right.

He's closer to my age.

All right, so. So what's going on in Philly? Is there going to be a step back?

I don't know if it's going to be a Step back. But repeating is. Nobody's repeated that division since 2004.

Right.

I mean, that's tough enough. I do think they'll win the division though, but I don't think they're repeating. I just don't. It's too hard to do. And you know, they had losses. You know, losing built in Williams and losing Sweat. That hurts them on defense. But you know what really hurts them? Depth. Because those guys that are now playing were depth guys. And when you look at their depth guys are not as good. So I think ultimately that could be a problem for them.

All right, and then Dallas, how are things going to go in Dallas? It feels like we're kind of teetering on a season from Helen Dallas just based on how chaotic it's been. But then you look at their offense and you're like, they're actually like very good offensively. On paper, I agree with you.

I, I think they're going to score a lot of points. I think Prescott, when he last played, led the league in touchdown passes when he was healthy two years ago and he played the whole season. And then you add Pickens to balance the field. The offensive line with three Tylers and two other guys are going to be physical. Even if they're young, they're going to be physical. So I'm with you. Everyone says, well, what about the running game? When Jaden Blues on the field, Jaden Blue one, that being a big time explosive runner for them. So I'm with you. Offensively, they'll be good. I worry about that defense, particularly with no Parsons. Where do you get the pass rush?

Are you going to ask about the commanders?

I'm going to ask about the commanders. Got to Pete Jaden Daniels, 2025 NFL MVP what do you think about it?

I think it's possible. I don't think it's going to happen, but I definitely think it's possible.

That's all I need.

I love the. I love the kid. I told you guys that last year, how much I love that guy. And I don't think we come close to seeing the best of him. We certainly haven't seen the best of him as a passer. Not close to it because, you know, he still got out early last year and some of that had to do with the offensive line. I think they've solidified group by getting Tunel, putting Coleman at left tackle. They're big, they're strong. When they get Cosby back, they're going to be really good on the offensive line. So he's going to have more time. I think we've only scratched the surface of him as a passer, and the Commanders will be happy with where he's going after this season.

So. So basically, if you're listening to this show, your Jaden Daniels analysis is Max saying that he smiles too much and then me just sucking his dick and being like, he's the best quarterback I've ever seen. So maybe you can tell, like, as somebody that watched all the films, what does he need to do better?

Go through his reads faster. Not, you know, when you go through. Young quarterbacks have a tendency to put their foot in the ground, go through the first read and then start moving. He needs to go 1, 2, 3, 4, and then. And then. Or 1, 2, 3, and then move, or 1, 2, 3, 4th, and check down. He can't just move after the first one's not there. And for a lot of last season, that's what he did. So that's why I say now he's going to get to 2 and 3 and 4. You're going to see a much different passing game out of Jane Daniels, and he's more than capable of putting up big numbers doing it.

So on the defensive side for the Commanders, the secondary looks completely different than it did a year ago. Like just total wholesale change of everybody that's. That's playing defensive back for the team much better on paper than it was last year.

Amos is a big addition because he gives. Mike Sanders still goes inside and plays in nickel, which is what he's better suited to play. So they'll be much better there.

So what you see out of. Out of Latimore, once he got healthy at the end last year, was he the same Latimore that we saw like three, four, five years ago?

No, but I still think he was. I don't know if he was ever truly healthy last year and. And he's been bothered by that thing and he's been banged up a little bit this year, too. So when he's healthy, he's a really good player, but I don't know if he was ever healthy last year.

All right, NFC north, loaded division. Let's start with the Vikings. Vikings have an awesome roster. They basically. It's basically a question of what is J.J. mcCarthy? So J.J. mcCarthy. If I told you J.J. mcCarthy is the 15th best quarterback in the NFL, are the Vikings a Super bowl contender?

Was Sam Darnold the 15th best quarterback in the NFL last year?

He might have played. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what were they? I mean, obviously it fell apart at the End. But they won, won 14 games last year.

But why did it fall apart at the end? Because in large part because of him.

Right. So maybe it's JJ McCarthy's the 15th best quarterback and he also doesn't have. No, doesn't have the ability to turn into the 30th best quarterback. Also. They made, they made a lot of. They put a lot of investments in their offensive line.

They did. They have. They've gotten bigger and stronger, which they needed to do.

But I also think they're going to run a lot.

I worry about him. I worry about J.J. mcCarthy. I wasn't in that class of people who loved them.

Tell me if you think this is a fair take on the Vikings. I think what they're going to. I think, you know, they got Jordan Mason, they beefed up their offensive line. They like Aaron Jones. Still, I think they're going to run the ball a lot and it's going to be like, hey, J.J. mcCarthy, make. Make 10 throws a game.

He'll have to make more than that.

But maybe not. I mean, if, you know, they'll get.

Him outside on boots off the run. Game. I get it.

When I say 10 throws game, I'm saying 10 throws where it's like, it's not a screen pass or, you know, something. The first reads right there. A slant. Yeah.

You know, or get in the boot, let him throw the tight end and the little flat and stuff. So I, Yeah, I, Yeah, they'll make it easy on him if they run the ball. That's the plan. Because I don't know if he can just stand back there and make the throws when he has to out of the pocket. So he, you know, particularly he hasn't played and he wasn't a great passer when he was at Michigan.

Yeah.

So I'm, I'm worried about him. Good staff. They'll get the best out of them. But. And they are better in terms of talent, at least on the offensive line and on the interior of the defensive line. But, you know, it's all in the quarterback. Is he good? If he has a Darnold like year, they'll be good. Yeah, I don't know if he will. I don't know if he will.

It's interesting because that roster is very good and J.J. mcCarthy, it's basically, we don't know what J.J. mcCarthy is. That's kind of how your analysis of the Vikings has to be. It's like if he's great, they're going to be a Super bowl contest. If he's bad. He will sink them.

By the way, I like the Bears this week at home.

Oh, okay. All right, let's talk about the Bears. So I'll tell you things I like about the Bears, and you tell me if you agree. First, Caleb Williams was named a captain. Second, they've been practicing out on grass a lot. Third, they're taking it one game at a time, one play at a time. That's what Ben Johnson said. And then make me puke. What?

You're going to make me puke.

Oh, I'm actually just reading Pete Briscoe's most recent tweet. He said football things that annoy me this week. Captain announcement. Who cares? Mindset questions. Calling practice out on the grass, saying, getting it done on the rectangle. Taking it one game at a time, one play at a time. No, you don't.

I can't stand that garbage. Seriously. On the grass. They're doing it on the grass. Come on. What is that?

You got a problem with grass?

Well, I mean, what kind of. It's like somebody has a new buzzword and every year and then the buzz phrase, and it just spreads like wildfire. He hears it. He hears it now. He says it, and he says it. Same stuff.

I love when you get old, man yells at cloud. All right, so the Bears. Yeah, let's talk about the Bears real quick. I am. I'm. I'm ner. I'm cautiously optimistic. I think Caleb has everything around him now to hopefully take that step forward. I think there's some questions on defense, the pass rush. The secondary has, you know, injuries, and guys got to take a step up. But are you bullish on the Bears overall?

Not this year. I think they're a year away again. I thought that year would come this year. I said that last year. But clearly the coaching staff was a disaster, and it wasn't meant to be. But I think. I think Ben Johnson will get the best out of Caleb Williams eventually. I just don't know if he has the running game that he wants to have right now. And, you know, that's what he wants to do first and foremost. And. And then I think you mentioned on defense, where's the other pass rusher? Yeah, Sweat can rush the passer. What is Grady Jarrett? I love Grady Jarrett, but what's he got left? So there are questions. I think they're a year away, but they will win on opening night.

Okay, I like that. And listen, I. I'm a year away is kind of what I'm thinking. I'm thinking if they could get to an 8, 9 win team. And you see flashes from Caleb Williams were like, hey, this, it didn't go well year one, but we're on the right path. Would be. I'd be pumped.

Yeah, of course. Remember last year I told you that he had a better quarterback than you did?

Yeah. No, you did and it's. It's true. Yeah.

You take him right now. You take him right now.

I got a question for you. Kind of with the Bears pass rush, what team do you think Jadevion Clowney is going to eventually play for this year?

He doesn't rush the passer anyways.

Good answer. Good answer.

Because like does he do anything?

I don't know. He signs a lot of one year contract he makes.

I know he does a lot of money.

Yeah.

So speaking of past rushers, the packers, you're a Packer lover. I feel like every year you come on and tell us the packers are going to win the Super Bowl. They added Micah Parsons hurt last year. Okay.

No other team has injuries. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They. Micah Parsons gets added. Is this now a Super bowl team because of Michael Parsons?

No, they were super. They were my super bowl pick before they.

So now you must be like, they shouldn't. Are they going to go undefeated?

No, they're not going undefeated. That's a brutal division, man. That's a tough division. Yeah, they're not going undefeated, but they were the youngest team in the league last year, had all those injuries. Love was hurt the entire season. They go to Philly and they get that crappy fumble on the, on the kickoff. That was. They recovered and nobody saw the recovery. They lose such a tone for the game and they lose. I think they were still built to win. And you look at them, I'm telling you what, Matthew Goldman might be a star right away. That's how good he is. And I was there for a couple days in camp. He didn't drop a pass. He's got unbelievable hands. The receiver core. When everybody gets back because Watson will be back in about six weeks. They're good there. The line's good. They can run the ball and I'm. I still think Jordan Love was.

Didn't.

Never got over the injuries last year. You're going to see a different Jordan Love. So offensively they're going to score points. Defensively they have some issues still at defensive tackle, particularly with Kenny Clark being traded away. But man, they're going to get after at the quarterback with Parsons and Gary and Van Ness.

Do you think like you do that trade 100 times out of 100 if you're the Packers. Right. Like I was saying that I would take the Bears trading three first round picks for the. For Parsons because he's that special of a player.

Didn't you do that for Cleo Mack once?

Yeah. And guess what? It wasn't Khalil Mack that fucked that up. It was Mitch Trubisky not getting better.

And by the way, this guy's younger than Khalil Mack was when you made that. Of course, so.

But you agree, though, Khalil Mack was not the problem.

No, he wasn't the problem.

He was awesome. Yeah.

The numbers, the defensive numbers went up when he got there. Yeah, he was not the problem. And by the way, Parsons is 26. I normally hate trade and pays. I hate those. I love this one.

Yeah. Yeah.

Because he's 26.

Yeah. Yeah.

They're going to be. If they're going to be good, they're going to get. Those are going to be like picks number 31 and 32 or 30. Right.

So it's worth it because I want you to just envision this scenario. If you guys had traded for Michael Parsons and then all that about his back came out today, that would have been a bad day for you.

He's hurt.

You would have been very upset about that.

He's hurt.

How many guys have bad backs?

I do.

I do.

Yeah.

Yeah, me too. Me too. Have you ever had sciatica crawl down your leg?

It's awful. Let me ask you this, Pete. Have you ever been like, I used to have a bad back. Now it feels great.

What are you using for?

Like. I'm just saying, like, if you have a. If you have that L4, L5. No, but, you know, many times are you, like, it's all better.

Well, you know what? You guys know, if you have it, what happens? It goes away for periods of time and then it flares up out of the blue.

Yeah.

And next thing you know, you're on the floor writhing in pain like you haven't felt before.

I actually.

I get it.

I didn't know guys your height could get bad backs.

Well, yeah. We sit in a chair all damn day.

Yeah. I just thought that's like, why? Like. Like, you know, like little dogs. Live long. Like, you're. You're probably gonna live to like 110, Pete.

PK. You got.

My dad's. My dad's 80. My dad's 89. I hope I do.

Yeah.

Follow in that footsteps.

Yeah, yeah.

Short guys. We're like 90% back. So it's like very, like back.

Sorry. Right. I had. I have to. They wanted me to have surgery for my back, and I told them no.

Yeah, you got great out.

Great knees, great neck. No back.

Yeah, yeah, back.

Back is trouble.

Short temper. All right, Lions. Last team, the NFC north, which is. Is loaded. Loaded. Division I. I think the Lions defense is going to be really good. I know they've lost a lot in terms of the brain drain. I do think their defense would be very good.

Well, they were hurt last year, and anytime Hutchinson's not on field, different defense, and they had to compensate by Blitzen. I think the defense will be okay. Where's the other pass rusher, Marcus Davenport? You believe in that? I worry about that. So they've had injuries, you know, McNeil, they've had injuries on the inside of that defense, too. And I get it with everybody. You have new coordinators. But that could be a transition period, too. When you lose Ben Johnson and John Morton takes over, I think that could be a little bit of a transition on offense. Here's the other part. They've been really good on the offensive line.

Yeah.

And now. Now you have three new starters in there in the interior of that offensive line. So I don't know if they're going to be as good. I worry about the Lions a little bit bit more than maybe going into last season. I still think they'll be one of the better teams in that division. I think it'll be Packers, Lions, Vikings and Bears.

God damn it.

What are the Bears? What's the Bears record this year, Pete?

God damn it.

Seven, Six or seven.

All right. Depends on how the seven come. I could. I could. I could be.

Okay, seven, and then you take nine or ten next year.

Yeah, well, seven if it's like seven. And it was a slow start with Caleb learning the offense, and they became a dangerous team down the stretch. Okay, sign me up. Yeah. All right.

Or seven. Seven. If Caleb has a really good year and maybe the defense isn't as good because you could fix that.

Yeah.

What do you think about Jared Goff? Are you a hater?

No, I love Derek Golf.

You love.

Good. Okay.

Absolutely not. No.

Good.

One of the most under. One of the most underappreciated quarterbacks in the NFL.

All right.

Good answer. We play a game on the show. It's called Preview the NFC south in under 30 seconds. Ready? Go.

Bucks. Bucks. More bucks. I think that. I think they're one of the teams that could push for the super bowl in the nfc. I love The Bucks. Bucks like the makeup. Everybody's back on offense. Once worse gets back and Godwin gets back, they're all back. And you add a Buca to that equation. They were raving about him when I was there in May. They were raving about him when I was there in July. Their offense is going to be incredible, I think defensively much faster than they've been over the last couple of years. They're going to be the team to beat in that division.

Ok. Great preview of the NFC South.

Yeah.

If you were to do an extended version, is there another team that you would speak about about for 15 seconds bonus time?

I think that, I think the Falcons are the next best team, but I think they're lacking on the defensive side of the ball. They, they added those edge rushers, but they're backups right now and I worry about their, their secondary. And here's the other thing. They want to run the ball. McGarry's their best run blocker on tackle and he's now out for the season. So that's a problem.

Okay. We just hit the Buffalo Wild Wings button where it goes to triple overtime. We kind of like the Panthers this year.

I don't.

Okay. Why? No, I think we should at that.

Well, because I don't.

That's a great preview. No more. No more.

Okay.

Nothing more about the Panther.

I have one more extension though. There's been a replay booth. We're getting the refs coming on the field. One untimed down preview. The New Orleans Saints using one body part sound effect. Oh, that was a.

That was a popcorn fart, by the way. It's very dry.

That was a great NFC south preview. All right, let's fit. Let's finish with the NFC West 49ers. It feels like everyone forgot about them. Are you feeling like this is a bounce back here?

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Stars win. Stars win in the NFL. And the most star laden team in that division still the 49. You look at it, Purdy can play. You know, people won't want to say he's a star, but he's close to it. Trent Williams when he's on the field, one of the best left tackles in the game. He didn't play last year. McCaffrey is still one of the best running backs in the game. Bosa, one of the best edge rushers in the game. Warner, the best off the ball linebacker in the game. And they have good enough players at other spots. The only concern is if they do have those injuries again, then they get to the Backups. And the backups aren't nearly as good because they pay the stars. So that's the problem. But, but, but I think they're the best team in the division when they're all on the field.

Okay.

All right. What about the Seahawks, which we expect out of them? I know that Sam Darnold, you've got questions about him, but I feel like they've got some talent. They got something working up there a little bit, right?

Yeah, I think, I think offensively they'll be okay, but I think defensively they could be pretty good. You know, he's a good defensive coach. They have young talent on that side of the ball. They might be a year away, too. And, and again, if it's a big game. Do you trust Sam Darnold? I mean, question. You don't, do you? I don't.

I don't know.

So that's my concern with the, with them, the Cardinals will be much improved. Oh, but I still worry about Murray.

Yeah.

This is, you know, we talk about proving years for quarterbacks in this league. It's. For him, it's a big year. Because he collapsed down the stretch last year. I mean, they were cruising, remember, and he kind of collapsed down the stretch. He has to have a big year for them.

Yeah. And then the Rams. I, I'm high on the Rams with a big. If Matthew Stafford stays healthy, and I know he's going to play. They announced he's going to play Week 1, but I don't think that's the question. Like, I always thought he was going to play week one. Can he play week 16, 17? Like, that's because he, that, that is the team. I know they have a ton of talent, but that, that. You can't, you can't expect to win games with Stetson. Stetson Bennett or Jimmy G. No.

And here we are back to a. Back again. I mean, and, and he's an older guy with the back. You know, older by NFL standards with the back is never a good combination. And he's such a tough guy that he plays through almost everything. But you know, this. There's going to be moments with that back where it flares up. He's not going to be able to play. And how long will he not be able to play? That's the concern there. I'm with you. If he's healthy, they're in the mix for the division. If he's not healthy, they might as well pack their bags and start looking for something down the road.

I think that covers every single team in the NFL, I think we hit every last one.

Is there anyone we're missing?

We forgot the Jets.

Oh yeah, the Jets. The Jets. Do you have time for the Jets? If you have to go, I understand.

No, I'm good. What do you got for the Jets?

What do you got for the Jets? Memes, why don't you lead the jets discourse?

Well, here's what I have for the Jets.

Okay.

Justin Fields can do, do anything on offense. They can be a wild card team.

Love that.

Because they still have tons of talent on defense. We know Aaron Glenn is going to make them tough and feisty. They want to run the ball. I think their offensive line will be better. The second receiver and third receiver is a problem. But Mason Taylor is going to be a big time pass catching threat at tight end for them and I think they can maybe get eight, nine wins and sneak in. If Justin Fields, you know, can make plays down the field, the passing game, but also gimmick up some stuff for him to run around.

Memes, what do you think about always.

Good when you got to gimmick some stuff up. That's a great preview, Pete.

By the way, that's usually a combination. When you say gimmick stuff up for him, that means your quarterback isn't good enough to stand in the pocket, make throws.

Yeah, you hate that.

You hate running quarterbacks.

No, I, I think you have to be able to run, but you got to be able to run and throw, not just take off at the first hint of pressure and get out of there and run around for no reason.

Pete, can you make a small order real quick? Because you do watch every single play by every single team. What's. Who's one guy in the NFL that we should be paying more attention to?

Brian Thomas.

Okay.

Yeah, he's really.

I, I think he's on the bird. And by the way, he doesn't practice great. That's a weird. But when he shows up at games, they go, oh my gosh, he's not a great practice guy.

What does that, what does that entail? Not practicing great?

He doesn't catch the ball in practice, he drops it in practice. He's not great on the 50, 50 balls of practice. It drives them crazy. When he gets, and when he gets in the game, it's like, forget about it. Then he went like he had had a great training camp. He goes down to Miami and works against the Dolphins and he has a great couple, a great day of practice against them. He's just one of those guys that shows up on Game day.

Yeah.

Which is fine.

Who's one guy that we should be paying less attention to?

Less attention to?

Good question.

That is a good question.

Thank you.

Question.

Somebody that's going to go right out the window. Out the door.

Yeah. Well, it's just like, don't even worry.

About like a guy. We pay already, like the perfect amount of attention to the point where maybe it's a little too much.

Kelsey.

Oh, Kelsey, good pick.

You know, hate love.

Well, we. We pay a lot of attention to Kelsey. So you're saying dial it back a little.

Yeah. Because look, Kelsey, the football player isn't the same as he used to be. Let's be real.

He was.

He's one of, if not the greatest pass catching tight end one of them. And he's not that anymore. So he's more name than game than he's been in the past. Let's put it that way.

This. That sounded perfect for like a Kansas City Chiefs fan to put that on a haters highlight reel at the end of the season when he's at a thousand yards and like 13 touchdowns.

Yeah.

You see those yards per catch went down under 10 last year for the first time. I mean, that. That's usually a telltale sign that a guy's getting old.

Yeah.

And by the way, here's the other thing about him. He said, oh, I worked out this year. I didn't wear work well. Why didn't you work out last year?

True. Good point. I could. Yeah, I could see it too. Like it's. It's middle of February, Kansas City super bowl parade. Travis Kelsey's like. And one last thing, there's a short Italian guy in Florida that said, I'm more name than game.

And I sold my Taylor Swift tickets too, by the way.

Oh, you did? Oh yeah. Did you get a lot of money for it?

Oh, yeah. My wife. But my wife won the lottery and I didn't really want to go the first place. And it was at the stadium in Miami. I hate going down to that place because you can't get in and out of there. And so she said, my wife looked at me, she goes, should we just sell them? And I go, if you want to, let's sell them. Yeah. We didn't go.

So we.

So. So at that point at that parade, they could have both of them yelling at us.

Yeah, that would be great. Yeah. Her next album, she's gonna be too happy. She might just write that about you, Pete.

Yeah, okay, well, you know what? I could be a miserable sop. You know, that.

Yeah.

You can write a lot of songs about me.

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Are you really a medium, though?

No, I don't wear tight shirts.

Are you one of those guys, the SEC burners who tweet out their like. Like they're. Oh, look at that gun.

Does that look like it's a medium?

Pete is like 90%.

You don't. You don't wear a shirt on your bicep, dude.

I know, but you don't like him like that either.

Yeah, no, he's got business arms where he takes the shirt off, you're like, whoa.

Yeah. All right, so you have the Bills beating the Chiefs in the AFC Championship game. What's your NFC Championship game? And then your Super Bowl. And winner.

Green Bay over Philly.

Okay.

And Buffalo over Green Bay. There's going to be a party like they've never felt in Buffalo.

That would be insane.

That's.

They'll be thinking about Josh Allen a lot there.

Yeah, it'll be in the snow, too. I'll probably be thinking about Josh Allen.

It'll be the last. How about to go into the super bowl would be the last game in that stadium.

Wow.

Yeah, that's right. Because they got the pit opening up next door.

They closed.

That place is going to be unreal. I'm telling you, there's. There. Bill's Mafia. There's nothing like it.

I know.

And. And I've been around this league a long, long time, but those fans are nuts. And me going to training, by the way, every time I go to training camp in Rochester, I must have 15 Bills fans come up to me and say, I love you. On, pardon my take, I love you.

Yeah, that's good. Good. Our people are strong.

And you know what I always say to them? I go. They always try and trick me into saying something I shouldn't say, but they never do.

Oh, that is true. Yeah.

Well, no, you say a lot of stuff that you shouldn't say, but it's more like the Jaguars are going with the Super.

Yeah. We don't find out for a year. Yeah.

No, but I'm saying, like, you know, you Try and lead me down paths to get me in trouble where. Like, if. If I didn't work for CBS and we were just sitting around shooting the. I'd probably get myself in a lot of trouble.

Oh, you filtered pro.

Yeah, you do hate Shador because of your college allegiances, but you. You admitted.

No, no, no, no, no, no. That's a football. It's a football evaluation. And again, I'd like to see any reasoning why they're against them. Give me one.

All right.

Rookie of the year. Offense.

Genty.

Okay.

Okay.

What about defense? Abdul Carter.

Yes. Absolutely.

Yeah, that one seems easy.

Coach of the year, McDermott.

Okay. MVP.

Jordan Love.

Okay. We. We. That's disgusting. He's also, like, 37 years old. We are. So we're running this on Wednesday. We already did this segment, but I want to hear yours. Least Improved Player of the Year.

Least improved player?

Yeah, we do that every year. Boy.

Who's the least improved player of the year? In other words, he stunk last year and he's going to stink this year.

No.

Or it could be really good.

He could be awesome. He just didn't get better.

Oh, okay. That's a tough question for me.

Yeah, tough question.

C.J. stroud.

Okay.

And by the way. And I don't think it's going to be his own due.

Yeah.

I think that line. I think that line's a problem. And once the line's a problem, it really speeds up the quarterback and it becomes a problem for him, too.

All right, Comeback player of the year.

Who's the comeback player here?

Christian McCaffrey.

Yeah, that makes sense, because I think he's going to be back to being himself again until he tweaks something in week four like he always does.

Last question. Kirk Cousins plays blank amount of games this year in the NFL? Zero. Wow. And all for the Falcons.

Yes. There's some. There's some bad blood between him and the Falcons. And. And, you know, he kind of laid them out with the injury stuff after the season. They weren't real thrilled with it. They said, you know what? He's going to sit here and he's going to sit. And now he's going to sit there and rot. I don't know if that's necessarily a good thing. What if Penix has a couple bad. A streak of bad. Three or four games.

Right.

Do you think that. Do you think that guys in the locker room will want to turn to Kirk Cousins and say, hey, look, we got a veteran over here, maybe he can help us win?

Or that happens or what if a team that has a Super bowl caliber roster gets an injury early and they're like, hey, Kirk Cousins.

Okay, but who would that be? Like, give me an example.

The Vikings.

I don't. They could have, they could have tried to go get him if they wanted.

To though 49ers.

They'Ve had opportunity to go get them.

I know, but I'm just throwing out names. Rams.

Yeah. I think they'd stick with what they have.

Okay.

Jimmy G over Kirk.

I mean, let's face it, when Kirk gets into a big game, he's going to melt anyways. What's the difference?

What about Packers?

I mean, maybe, but you really want to bring in a one year rental money guy like that? I don't know.

You got a maybe.

I like how you're saying the, the Falcons are going to stick it to Kirk Cousins by paying him what, like $40 million to.

Not not.

But he wants, he wants to play though.

Yeah. No, it's true. He does want to play.

I would love to have.

He kind of stuck it to them too, a little bit.

It's.

It's. Look, it's not a good situation. Any way they shake. It's not a good situation.

Yeah.

Okay.

I'm very excited for football, Pete.

Yeah.

I'm very excited to talk to you again.

Me too.

You look great. Your arms look awesome. Show your arms one more time.

You want to see him again?

That. Yo. Eagles minus seven and a half or Cowboys plus seven and a half?

Take the points.

Okay. Division game.

I. I like the Cowboys office. I'm with you guys on that one. I think they'll score points.

Yeah. All right. Thanks so much, Pete. You are the best. Sorry for keeping you up so late, Pete.

For people got this all wrong. Spin this for people who did that way for.

For people who are watching on YouTube. You might have noticed when Pete first joined, he had to take off his. His sleep little. He had. He has a little like pajama hat that he wears to bed every night because he was. He actually goes to bed at 5. This is just his piss break. This is how long it takes for him to piss.

This actually, you know what's great about.

Trying to twist this on me? But the reality is this is at 9 o' clock so you could put your children to bed.

No, we actually had to do. We. We're. We've been in the office since 5:00, so we've been doing this stuff.

Yeah, normally. Normally we do this late because you have to put your.

That's a fact.

Fact.

That's a fact. But tonight you're wrong.

Okay, well, usually I'm right.

All right, go put your little hat on. He has a little candle that he walks back to. His he, you know, when he snores, the hat just goes up in the air. It's really cute.

Yeah, I'll be awake a couple times tonight already, but not for peeing just because I wake up.

All right, thanks, Pete. Bye, Pete.

See you guys.

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Okay. We now welcome on a very, very very special guest recurring guest. It is the playmaker hall of famer three time super bowl champion Michael Irvin. We've got the new Netflix documentary out about the 90s Cowboys America's team playmaker. It's. It's awesome to have you back on. Let's start with this in the documentary. Like, have you watched it back? Obviously you're in it so much, but have you watched it back and had, like, a moment to be like, holy shit, that was fun. Because it is a. It's just so much 90s nostalgia, and it's so well done.

Yeah. And you know. You know what's funny? When I watch it, the first thing I thought, damn, the 90s were great, man.

Yeah.

Not. Not just the Cowboys. I mean, the whole everything, you know, economy was going good, everybody living good. It was a lot of fun, you know, so. So. So that's the thing. And then you start thinking about all of the relationships that you have built over those years. So many you.

You.

You're calling old teammates, and we're rehashing these stories. Stories and laughing about them. We got people in our families that didn't know about any of this and certainly didn't live through any of this. So. So it's been a. An incredible journey.

Both.

Both talking about the peaks and reliving the valleys also. It's really. Has been an incredible journey.

Yeah. It's a fascinating look into what was a wild time for the Dallas Cowboys being without question the most popular team in America, the best. Best NFL team that we saw in that decade. And then also what you guys did off the field, it feels like you guys partied just as hard as you played. Did that ever. Like, I know it kind of came to an end after, you know, things fell apart after Barry Switzer joined. But when that transition happened between Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer, was that like a substitute teacher situation where you had Barry come in, you're like, now we can really. Now we can really have fun.

Well, that's an analogy. But the reality is Jimmy. Jimmy brought us through the hard times, you know, and Jimmy was. You have to be a certain way to get people through those 1 in 15 and 3 and 13 type of years and everything. So you come through those years, and then you don't no longer have that general. And. And the next guy come in. Barry, who's a great guy. Barry, a great dude, man. Great man. Really great man. But a different style than Jimmy. Jimmy kept his foot on everything. Barry said, listen, we're grown men. We should have. We should know how to handle our responsibilities. And. And some men do it, some don't, you know, on the football field, and some do and some don't off the football field. So the guidance would have been needed, like, from Jimmy. But.

But.

But, you know, you look back, you understand that. That this is life. Things go down, things happen, people change. Jimmy left. Jimmy and Jerry had a spiff that we had had a breakup, a split up, and we had to figure it out. We would love to have kept Jimmy and just keep trying to do what we were doing. We often talk about we would have. Could have won five straight, you know, but. But it didn't happen that way. You try to make the most of it. I thought it was interesting after that year, we lost 94, that we had to put everything down and try to come back together to win that next year in 95. And. And we did. Yeah, with Barry, because we wanted. It was Barry Switzer, but it was also earnings and peasy. You know, we wanted. We want the guys that had Super Bowls. I remember right before the third super bowl, we. We were like, who doesn't have a Super bowl in history? Stand up. And then all the guys in the room, we had. We, like, we have Super Bowls, but they don't. Yeah, we're playing for the.

You're not just playing for you. You're playing for them, too. And, you know, the Ernie Zampisi and all those guys. And we wanted to get that third one for them, and we did.

So.

Yeah.

Yeah. And in that third one, the big story going into that season was obviously signing Dion, the big contract. I was shocked that, like, you guys. You guys. You and Emmett and Troy, like, had no problem with all that money going to Dion. Was that how you actually felt in the moment? Because, you know, it is a competitive environment. Guys want to get paid. Guys, you know, you're the best wide receiver in the league, Emmett's the best running back in the league, and then they pay the best cornerback 35 million. Was there any part of you that was like, hey, this is kind of bullshit. I've been here, I've won. Where's my money? Or was it like, no, I just want to keep winning, winning?

Well, first of all, there were so many things on the back door with that situation. It was Dion, Emmett, and I was already there. And we were Miami and Florida. We needed our Florida State, and Dion came in and got Completed that triplet. They completed a triplet from Florida in Dallas. Yeah, See? So. So in. In the best part on. Honestly, Jerry sat down with every one of us, and he called me, he brought me in the office and said, listen, we're going. We're thinking about doing this. What are your thoughts? I Said, why the hell you need my thoughts? You don't need my thought. Go get that done.

Go here.

I said, now that I know you're on it, I'm glad you told me. I'll be calling him tonight. And then I started doing the recruiting, you know, I told dm, Dion asked me. He said, man, I said to him, when I called him, I said, dude, we've been banging heads for a long time. It's time now to bring other people here, to get to come on over here, beat their butts together, you know?

Yeah.

And I told him, I said, man, whatever you see in San Francisco. Because he asked, he said, what is Dallas like? I said, whatever you think leaving Atlanta, going to San Francisco is. Whatever you think that is in San Francisco is just multiply by 10 and come across the water and you will see. He came in town that week to see me. We threw this big party, man, and. And, yeah, we pretty much. Look, we put on a full press court on that recruit.

Yeah.

And right now, my best friend in the world, I love him to death. So, you know, we. We had no problem with him coming in and getting paid. Ain't our money.

Yeah.

Let's all try to get as much money as we can.

And I would imagine that's a little. That's testament to Jerry Jones, because he gets criticized sometimes for being so hands on. But in that situation, him being hands on and including you guys and being like, hey, this is something I'm doing beforehand probably helped the situation. Was there. Was there ever a moment he didn't.

Say, this is something I'm doing beforehand? He says, is this okay to do?

Right. So makes you feel part of the process.

Right, right, right, right. Right. Now, if he had gone, man, and done all of that, this could have been a different thing.

Yeah.

But he came to us, he said, listen, guys, this is your team. You guys know what you're doing here. How would this affect us?

Yeah.

What are you crazy? Yeah, let's go do that right now.

Yeah, right.

And then, if you remember now, Dion, remember, Dion got into it later on with. Dion had gotten into it with Andre rising. He. I had heard about some things with him and Jerry rising. So the first thing I was telling him was, like, when I got. I said, listen, man, all the mother jokers over. The mother I received was rising. And Rice, them jokers ain't from Florida. Come on over here. Let's stop messing. You know, you ain't gonna have no issue because we Florida boys. You know what I mean? So. So yeah, we just became best friends.

Right when he got into town. I don't know how much you guys ever squared up with each other at practice, having the ones go against the ones. Was that something that, that you got to experience during training camp? Camp?

Oh, yeah, all the time. Tommy and I work together all the time. That's how we wanted to sharpen our game. He would tell me all the little tips that he had on me over the years, and what cornerback would dare. I didn't think about. I, I, I. I'm going as Deion Sanders before he got there. Daryl Green, Nia Williams, Champ Bailey, Eric Allen, all of these are hall of Famers, everybody. So now I got Dion with me, giving me talks and helping me about great cornerback play, and I'm trying to help him with great wide receiver play. And, yeah, we messed around in practice a lot. Like when Troy went Block 62, Dion played me enough to know that's the slant route. And so, so now I gotta say, Troy, Dion's over there. When you go, black62, and he's going to read that slant, I'm going to run a slanting go, you know, I mean, so, so I know he knows, so I'm going to set up his knowledge.

Yeah.

So that's how, that's how you get. That's how you get great. And yeah, we love those things, man. I love those times that he and I first competed and then collaborated.

Yeah. The one thing that was kind of remarkable to me about this documentary is the White House, which seemed like a lot of fun for you guys. How did you get it so that no one will talk about the White House to this day? You had everyone still being like, no, not going to talk about it. Not going to talk about it. That's remarkable. You got, you got a bunch of guys who went there, who partied there, and then they get asked on a documentary 30 years later, and they're like, nope, not going to talk about it.

Yeah, that's like that mafia stuff right there.

Yeah, the Casanova.

Yeah. If you talk about it.

Yeah. You're not invited.

We gotta get you.

Yeah, but, but, but, but, but honestly, and, and, and I was okay with talking about it, and I think those guys were trying to honor and look out for me, but the reality is it's time to talk about things. You know, you get older and, and I'm. I'm a Christian. I'm saved, man. So I know God saved me to go get those same people that are locked up and trapped up in those situations. So that one thing that was a stain before, now that you come through it and moving on in life, it becomes the badge that gives you. It's a badge that you can use to go in dark corners to help people that are still in those dark corners. It's just the reality of life.

Yeah. So how, like, on a given week, when the White House was in its heyday, how many days a week were you there?

Well, during the season. During the season we're working out now. After a game, we may go by because we're doing the celebration. A party. A celebration. Have a good time. But the funny thing about me, and I talk about this in a documentary, like, I'm playing a season after we won the super bowl in February, Jimmy will say, get away for a minute. For about that month, I would have a blast, you know, but wild out. Well, but after that month, March 5, my birthday, I start training and, and I go. And I used to think that I was the strongest dude in the world because I was like, why are people having drug problems? Why can't they just stop? I can have fun and just stop. You know what I mean? But I learned that I was, I, I was switching addictions. Like, I have fun for a month, then I got football to switch that addiction back to football, right? Then off season, I got that month away. I switched, you know, once I lost football, once I retired, and I was like, okay, this will be the last week hanging out. Then I'm gonna get back to working out.

And then that week come back, I said, okay, this is the last week hanging out. I'm gonna get back to working out. Then that week go back. I said, it's the last damn week, I promise. You know what I mean?

Yeah.

So.

So that's when I realized maybe your ass ain't as strong as your fake. You know what I'm saying? It was football pulling me out, not my strength walking me out. And when I didn't have football, I couldn't make that walk out without God.

Yeah, I mean, the, the off seasons do sound like a lot of fun. You were the, the president of, of the White House. Would. Was there somebody that never got the invite that always wanted to go?

No, no, no, no, no. I, I, I'll tell you this. Troy never came to the White House.

White House.

You know, Troy Joy never been to the White House. But that's the only person I will exclude. That's. I'm gonna give him that. You know what I'm saying? I would exclude. You gotta understand, too, guys this was a process. We didn't end up with the house. We started at a hotel, you know, doing what you do. And. And then you kind of get an apartment. And then the girls all kind of come at the apartment. They were making too much noise in the. 10 people around her were saying, what's going on? So we thought that was a bad move. And then actually, Alvin Harper came up with it. We should get a house. I was like, ding, ding, ding, ding. You know, think about it. You spend four or five hundred dollars on a hotel room a night. Three or four of us do that. That's a couple thousand dollars. That's rent on a house somewhere. I was like, wait a minute. And we can have it the whole month instead of just that one night. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, when Hart brought that to me, I thought it was a brilliant plan, actually.

Yeah.

When Jerry, you see, Leon let. Called me about three weeks prior to Jerry calling me in the office, Leon said, hey, my Michael cat. He said, hey, man. And it was funny, guys. The movie was out, that New Jack City movie, you know, where. Where G Money called Wesley Snipes, say, hey, man, you gotta shut down the car. We've been infiltrated. Leon lit calls me. What's up, man? I said, what's up, dog? Hey, Mike, I heard the White House has been infiltrated. You gotta shut her down. I'm like, you watching too many movies. They ain't shut down, right? Two, three weeks later, I'm in meetings. We're an install that Wednesday meeting where. Where you're putting in the plays. And somebody comes and said, jerry wants to see you. Touch your. Wait, wait. We gotta wait. We're putting in the plays. I gotta make sure my plays are getting put in for this game Sunday, you know, so. And. And. And he said, no, Jerry says, right now. You gotta come right now. So I get up, I go see him, and he asked me, what the hell is going on. Stories are breaking all over right now about some White House.

He said, michael, I need you to tell me the truth. What the hell is going on? First thing went in my mind was, leon, let's call. Damn, I should have shut her down. But I did shut her down. And then. And then I didn't know what to say to him. That's when I just said, boss, we were trying to do the wrong thing the right way.

Yeah.

You know. And he looked at me, he said, are you shitting me? Did you just say that to me? Yeah, we were trying to do the wrong thing. The right way. And, and yeah, that. That's what that was.

So he was mad he didn't get the invite. Invite, yeah.

Did you think about that? Like, hey, Jerry, if you want to invite, just ask me.

Yeah, Jerry. Jerry said that. Joking. Now, one time, let me tell you, he's such a. Jerry's my guy. He's a funny dude. One time after all of that, I did get out, right. Because he had. Yeah, I had a 24 hour service, bodyguards, everything provided for me just to try to make sure nothing is tried. And I'm always okay. Jerry made sure. And I remember meeting some people and, and, and saying, oh, man, we can't go to the hotel. I certainly can't go back to the wire. White house. That's all gone until the complex. Right. I told my bodyguards, I'm gonna go get something. I took the girls inside the complex. We got in the whirlpool in the security. Because you had a key. A security key. The security was like, Michael, you can't, you can't get out of here. Shut up. You're not gonna cut me. Don't worry. I told him to go. They called Jerry the next morning and said Michael was here last night with some, with some people in the hot tub. Jerry calls me back up and said, he tells me about. He said, I told him, what the hell they calling me for this morning?

You should have called me last night. I could have came and got that.

Hot tub with him.

But that's, that's just how he jokes about some situations, man. But, but Jerry's been a great. He's been a great supporter and a great friend.

Yeah. The. So I, I told you before we started the documentary has been incredible. I have only made it through six episodes, so I don't know if it stays incredible for you because it gets into, you know, so seven.

It gets into all of them.

Yeah, the barber shop, everything. The. But you said at the end of episode six, you're like, this is when I knew the dynasty was over. In. That's obviously with retrospect. After 90, after you win the third Super bowl, was there a feeling like things have changed now and it's probably not going to be able to get back to where we're at? Or was it like, hey, no, we still got this. We can, we can just show up and we'll be able to figure this out and we'll be able to fight through it? Or could you feel it kind of slipping away in the moment?

Well, after that third Super Bowl, I thought we had That I thought we would definitely win another super bowl that year. I got hurt. We had pit brought in Rocket Ishmael. We had Rocket in. It's the 99. I mean, we, we started out great. Washington game. Yeah, we won that game overtime and we started out great with a 3 and O going into Philly. I thought we had a great chance to get back that year and I really wanted to get back back, but then I got hurt and then, you know, that's when I hurt my neck and I. And then things just, things just changed.

So.

So yeah, ever since that 96 Super bowl and, and then the incident, my situation at the hotel right after that, my only drive was trying to get back a great glory to, to the city of Dallas because I had interrupted our celebration of that third super bowl with that hotel situation. So. So yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought we had a shot at doing it again in 99. And, and when I went down, it just didn't happen.

So on a personal level, one of the scariest parts of the story is that you found out that, that someone paid a hitman to kill you like you had. You had a bounty on your head. And I guess luckily enough they, they tried to solicit the murder from like an undercover FBI agent. So they were able to arrest the guy. But even knowing that the guy that wanted you dead is in jail, did that change the way that you had to operate, the way that you had to go about your day to day?

No, you know what? I almost, Well, I was on probation. I got four years probation from the situation at the hotel. Right when I was in court. Johnny Hernandez was, I guess the husband of Rochelle Smith, one of the girls that were with me at the hotel. He said he did not want this thing to go to court. So the only way to stop it, since I wasn't going to plea, was to take me out and he put a hit out on me. I was in court when they came in the courtroom to, they said, we stopped proceedings. Mr. Urban, we need you in the back. And right away. And they pulled me in the back and they talked to me and they said, listen, we want, we wanted, we have to inform you, we just arrested Johnny Hernandez for attempted murder and putting hit out on you. And I was like, oh, wow, right. And, and, and ultimately in, in the doc, they said he had six years, he had two years. He got two years for that hit. I was on probation before he was getting out in two years. I had, I went to see him know, to visit with Johnny and, and to Apologize for.

For. For being with his girl, for taking his girl. And. And when I went, nobody knew. I went. I had my people reach out to the jail and. And they set it up. The. The ward set it up. He was a cowboy fan, so he. He wanted his pictures, and he. He set it up. I went in, saw them. They later found out that I. I mean, the court later found out that I went to see Johnny and they wanted to put me in jail for going to see him. I said to them, let me get this right. I would.

Caught.

Caught in a hotel room with a few women and some drugs. And I got four years probation. He tried to kill me. He's doing two years. I'm still on probation, and he's getting out. And you don't think it's smart for me to go apologize? Yeah, I don't know how you. You're letting him out. He can go hire somebody else. I don't know if he's still mad. He just did two years. Girl going, you don't know this. And you want me to just sit still? I was like, are you guys serious?

Yeah.

You put me in jail. I'd rather be in jail than dad. But I had to make make my peace with him. You see what I mean? If he had enough to do it that one time, two years sitting down may make him want to do it again. And I had already. I gotten saved. It was the righteous thing to do. And was so funny. Well, not funny, but so interesting. When I walked in to see Johnny, I've never seen a man weep like that in my life. I've never seen a man cry out. I get emotional even talking about it and thinking about it. I've never seen a man. He was like, oh, my God, Michael, I've been praying so hard and you're going to come. And guys, God told me that you were going to come, and I can't believe you were here. I've never seen him. I started crying. I'm like, dude, try to kill me. And I'm crying with him. Why am I crying with him? But I just felt him. I just felt them. And, you know, and. And I thought it was the right thing to do to go apologize.

Yeah, yeah.

It's a crazy story.

Yeah.

I mean, good for you for doing that. And you feel like you smooth that all over. So we. You walked out of. Out of that jail that day, you're like, okay, I think. I think I'm good.

I think I'm good. I hope I'm good. You know, I I saw. But I. I saw a change in him, too. I saw a change in him, you know, that. That sit down time had really changed him. He had. He had said, mike, I hope one day that we can kind of have a relationship and be able to talk about it. And I appreciate. I appreciated him. I really did. I appreciate the way he handled that after I came to visit him.

All right, can we talk about the current Cowboys? Because part of watching this is like, holy shit, the Cowboys haven't been back to the NFC Championship game since the last time you won a Super Bowl. Like, people can make fun of Cowboys fans. They can't make fun of you, obviously, because you played and won those three Super Bowls. But, like, what has happened in the last 30 years that has, you know, like, you talk to Jerry, you talk to people in organization, obviously they want to win, but the glory days are so far past now. What. What, like, what does the future look like for the Cowboys?

Right? And, you know, and what you're asking me is, what do I want people to. When you. When you bring in the documentary and you're talking about the current. What do I want this current team to get out of the documentary?

Yeah.

You know, and the truth of the matter is to understand. Yeah, people talk about all the crazy things that went on, but I want them to get out of this. The closeness of the team, what it takes to win championships in this league, you. Because in the league, in football, you don't have any individual success like you can have in basketball. LeBron and get a rebound bound and go take it and dunk it on the other end, do that all by himself. You know, that's individual success. Baseball, you can slap home runs all by yourself, it's individual success. Golf, drop a putt, it's all by yourself. Individual success. There's no such thing as individual success. And football, What I need you to get out of it is only football families win Super Bowls. Not a football team, not a football organization. We were so close. Since you're so dependent and accountable to each other. Only football families win Super Bowls, and I hope that's what the current team gets out of that documentary. It's. No, I. I spoke to the University of Miami earlier this week, a couple days ago, and everybody's always trying to do comparative analysis.

This the best team. That's the best team. This the best. But you. You got to understand what you. You. I tell him, I said, it's not about who's best. It's about us stacking greatness on top of one another. You know, I want these guys to know we play. We did. When I had it, I, I stacked, I put my stack on top before they gave it to me. They had a Super Bowls here. I, My stack has to be. Have a Super Bowl. I want them to put their stack on top. Stack on top of this great, great dynasty, this great organization, and, and, and, and put your, put your trophy on the table. That's all the closeness that it takes to win a Super Bowl. You won't win as a football team and organization. You gotta have that commitment, that accountability and become a family. That's all I want them to get.

Yeah, yeah, it's a fair point. I, I saw that you've always, They've.

Always had the skill. It's just. I need the collective will. Those three years we went 12 and five, we had a good enough team to get to a Super bowl, good enough team to get to an NFC Championship game. They had the skill. It was just not the collective will. When we got to the playoffs, hopefully, that comes together.

Yeah. So this is actually something that I think you're probably uniquely positioned to speak about. The dynamic between Pickens and CD Lamb, especially Pickens being a. It's his contract year right now, right? So he knows he has to play. How do you see that playing out for them? Like, if CD Catches a couple touchdowns in the first week, you know, puts up big yards at the start of the season, how do you feel like George Pickens is going to respond to that?

When I was with cdc, Dam and I were at the game, the Knicks game together, sat together at the Knicks game. We had a good time, had a chance to talk a lot. And I love the kid. I love him. He's a great, great competitor. Great representation for the 88 in the 88 Club, you know. But. But what? The conversation we had, guys, was so good because we talked about why this worked. And I said to him, I said, man, I love, I love this combination. He said, yeah, man, I do too. You know, I've been talking with George and he. And I, I said, you know why I love it? I said, it reminds me a lot of Harp. And I. And he said, why do you say that? I said, because in the old days, 88, just like you, we took everything. 20 yards in, 20 yards in. I got all that. I got all that. That's all mine. Anything over 20, that was harps. We can, we can run that same road today. Yeah, CD Lamb will take care of everything. 20 yards in. Every now and then we'll give them a little deep bar every now and then.

They'll let me run deep, just about people up. But George Piggins gonna be taking it over the top. And, and, and, guys, so CD catch 78 passes, 20 and in. George gonna catch two or three over the top, and they'll have a lot of yards because he's going to be over the top. They don't commingle or they don't get in each other's way, because what CD is great at 20 in the end, like me, George is good at. But what George is great at going deep. CD is just good at. So. So they work out perfectly. And we've all got around George Pickens to make sure he understands that he's part of this family now. So it's not just about him playing receiver. Charles Haley went up to him and said, listen, I know they say you crazy. They said, I was. Was crazy. We want him to be comfortable. Yeah, he got crazy. We got crazy, too.

We can win crazy.

We can take your crazy. We know how to work with crazy. Come on over here. You know what I'm saying? But as a family, you want to make them feel like family. And, And. And he's been great, man. He's been great. I think he's going to be great here.

Yeah. Yeah. It's. We. We like watching George Pickens play receiver. It's. It's a joy to watch. All right, well.

Phenomenal.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And. And.

And. And people get mad at him. I'm like, get out of here. Who the hell has Pittsburgh had to throw this man the damn ball?

Right?

Nobody to throw him the ball. So even though we all know and said, man, he's a phenomenal player, he's been doing that with nobody throwing him the ball. So imagine what he must feel like right now with a Dak Prescott at quarterback.

Yep.

Michael, I have one last question. It's been awesome. Everyone go watch the America's Team Netflix documentary. It's really, really well done. It's. It's like I just. Just. You know what it was for me hearing Pat Summerall's voice, I was like, damn, I missed that. It was just something about his voice. Just big games in the 90s. It was awesome. So, yeah, it's so good. Robot question. R, H, O, B A, C, K.com promo code, take 20 off your first purchase. Q, zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code, take. You were notorious for being able to stay up all night and then be the first in the building and practice harder than anyone. Do you remember a moment where it's like you didn't sleep before a game or you party before a game or practice. You're like, oh, I don't know if I can do this. And you still were able to because it's, it's, it's insane to, to hear these stories and be like, man, he did that and then he went on the field and did that. That. It's pretty cool.

Yeah. Stories always get greater later. Now. I was different during the season than I was in the off season. Those wild, wild nights happened in February. Even that night in the hotel was March 5, my birthday. Because you know, that's just what it. I, I had a system that I thought were great for me. You know, I would, during the season I just trained and work out and we went out after the games and had drinks. But they never did anything during the season.

Right.

Because you know, you had the game. I've never done anything before games. You have games. But from February to my birthday happened to be March 5th and we start training the second week in March every year. So I kind of felt like after the super bowl till my birthday, that's wild time. That's fair wildest time in new. And my birthday was on March, March 5th. And that's the night at Garden Hotel. The next week you start training. And dude, I'll tell you something. I was always able to stop. I could be doing every kind of craziness, having fun. I would just stop. I used to get down on people but like that's a weak minded man. You can stop doing this stuff. Stop saying you can't stop until I retire. Because when I retired and then I retired, I didn't have football. I would say, say man, I'm gonna go out. I, I'm, I remember telling my lady, you know, that's it, I'm done. And, and it was a Valentine's Day and I told her, I said I'm gonna go get something to eat. I'm going to treat to get something to eat. I'll be back in a couple hours.

She looked at me like I said I'm coming right back. I promise, I promise I'll be right back. I got home two days later, been out messing around, running around and, and, and I ran into some girl. I'll never forget this girl having some like, oh like some burgundy leather pants. I don't even know why I still remember. I don't know why I still even remember that. Right. And she, and she Came with me. I said, no, I'm cool. I'm going home. I'm going home. I gotta get home. He said, oh, really? Well, I really wanted to hang out, me and my friend. I said, who's your friends? Maybe we got a few hours. Come on. But a few hours. Took me a few days to get back home. I remember coming home, and my lady said, you lied to me. I said, yeah, baby, I lied to me. Yeah, I really thought I was coming back home. That's when I said, okay, this is. This is getting to be an issue, you know, I mean, so. But. But during. Dude, when I'm playing, I. What I was doing really was switching addictions.

Yeah.

You know. Right, right, right. So I'll switch addiction and get back and say, okay, now we got football. And then demeaning everybody thinking they're weak because they can't stop. And I can stop those kinds of things. When I didn't have football, I didn't have that switch. That's when. That's when I realized this could be. Be a problem.

I. I do think your lawyer should have advised you to just plead birthday on that. Like, just see if the drugs will let you off. Be like, it was my birthday. Your honor, I tried.

I tried. I tried to tell him that. I tried to say, listen, I tried to play everything. Jerry set up a personal meeting they talked about in a documentary with. With the district attorney. I said, when I met with that dude, I told him. I said, I'm telling you the truth. But that's when he. He didn't want to hear it. He called me off all kinds of names and. And then told me. He said, I'll show you tomorrow when you show up in court. The truth is, would I make it? I'm gonna make a. I said, I'm gonna filet you like a fish and leave you in the alley. I'm gonna show you tomorrow. I said, oh, really? That's when I went off. I know Florida stuff came out of me. I said, okay, bro, I show you tomorrow, too. That's why I showed up in the mink coat, even though it was 90 degrees in Dallas. You know what I'm saying? Because I knew the media was going to be there, and I wanted them talking about that instead of what he wanted to talk about.

All right. Yeah. I mean, just saying, your honor, it was my birthday. If I was a judge, I'd be like, case dismissed.

Yeah, right.

Boys will be boys.

And nowadays. But back then, things are more palatable now, you know, That's Just the best way to say it things are more people gonna receive it now, digest it now. And so now I, to put it, I don't mind sharing the stories because, you know, we're past that and I want to try to help people. So now people hearing it when I, if it has a problem, when I come talk to them, they'll say, oh, yeah, yeah, you were that guy. I'll say, yes, yes, I am. And I can talk to you now. Right.

All right, well, Michael, thanks so much. Appreciate you joining us as always. Incredible documentary. I would imagine you just close your eyes every now and then and be like, man, that was cool. And yeah, hopefully we, we see you again sometime soon.

Anytime, guys. Appreciate you guys.

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Okay, let's wrap up the show. We have pardon your takes for the 2025 NFL season. Next time you hear our voices, we'll have NFL football that we're talking about. And the countdown clock will be at zero. Wow.

I can't wait.

Wow, wow.

Two days max.

Are you nervous for Thursday night? Right.

Yes, but I. It's just new. I don't know. You're nervous before every.

You're gonna kill him, right? I don't know. I hope. Okay.

I mean, it's gonna be a bad weekend if you guys. Yeah, it's gonna be a great weekend, though. If you guys win on Thursday night, it's like free play.

This is what p. Yeah. PFT and I were talking about this before.

Oh, yeah. I. I hate that the Bears are playing Monday night Football. Oh, that's the worst. It's the worst.

That's the worst.

It's like having the the last tip off on Friday night of the first round round. The worst.

Okay, Hank fixed to the NFL overtime rule. If the team that starts with the ball scores a touchdown, the game is over. If they kick a field goal, the other team gets the ball. But if the defense forces a turnover or a punt, they win the game. If both teams kick a field goal, then it's just first team to get a stop wins. No time limit. Half the teams would elect to start on defense. It would be four down territory the whole time. Who says no?

I think everybody would like to start on defense.

Yeah, right.

Just like stop them from getting any points.

A punt ends the game.

A punt. Well, so nobody would punt. That'd be di. A fake punt would be electric.

Would turn over on downs. Ends again. Yeah, I don't like this rule.

Yeah, I don't like it either. Everyone would just be defense.

Yeah, no, that defense. That, that, that. It was a good shot.

But at some point a Bucks game would go to overtime and Todd Bowles would send out his punter and then fake the punt.

Yeah, here's the NFL overtime rule idea. Each team gets the ball, you just no downs, no distance. Whoever takes the least amount of plays to score a touchdown.

Oh, I kind of like that.

Yeah, that'd be fun.

If you go first, you just keep going.

Yeah, you just keep going forward until you get to.

How about this? There's. There's no downs. Each team gets a ball, but it's least amount of time to score.

I like that as well.

Just on the clock.

Yeah, I like that as well. Those would be. That would be fun.

Yeah.

Just to watch both like just teams just bomb. It wouldn't really look like football. Maybe you could do downs. Maybe it's least amount of time to score. Okay, how about this hybrid? Least amount of time to score. There are downs in distance. If you ever get to a fourth down, it adds a minute to your time. Okay, so it's still real football and you're trying to go fast. And if you get you. So you don't lose the ball after a fourth down, you just get a one minute penalty.

I think we just invented a new sport.

Yeah, that would be so awesome.

Okay, if Europe got an equivalent league to the NFL, then would the game between the Europe NFL and the NFL be the new Super Super bowl or do we keep the super bowl, call it the Ultra bowl or World Bowl.

We would them up.

It would just be like the European division has a representative in the playoffs.

Right. And we would them up. Well, if it's European players. Is that what he said?

It's like just Saudi money in Europe.

Oh, I still feel like we'd them up.

Yeah. They get too experienced with that European culture.

Yeah. Also like, Europeans somehow throw. Think about that.

It just is European equivalent league. Doesn't mean the players have to be from Europe.

I always thought it would be like a good.

I feel like the good players wouldn't want, like, free agency. Like, who are they going to sign?

There's.

We just went over. There's no taxes. There's no anything.

It's a good point.

It's a good point. I've always thought it would be like an awesome. Maybe reality show. Maybe not reality show, but just like a short video of just like throwing baseballs to. Or footballs to European people and just having them throw. Try to throw it back.

Super athletic European people. Toss it back.

Hey, toss it back.

Do it.

Just watch them just fail because they. I mean, they don't. Why would they learn to throw cricket? They just learn to kick.

I think that there would be a lot of players that might be interested in playing in Amsterdam.

That'd be cool.

That one might. That might attract some free agents.

This is also. Was this a planning question for you, Hank, because you just want our sport to be taken from us.

I want to grow the game meme. Send me the question. I just read them.

Okay. All right.

Okay.

About football. What's up, fellas? Just curious to know how much you would pay to see your team win a Super Bowl. My girlfriend said I'm crazy for paying up to $10,000 to see a change. Thank you. Probably like 30. $30.

Well, Hank, that would be an investment for you.

This is a. I mean, this is a your bet. This is a real thing for college football because you can pay for a championship in theory. Like if I had.

This is Super Bowl.

I know, but. But I'm saying, like the. I was thinking about the other day, because Larry Ellison obviously paid for Bryce Underwood. Right. If you had. What is Larry Ellison's.

I'm going to guess 40 billion.

Okay. 280 billion. 270 billion. If I had $270 billion, I would. Every year, the Wisconsin Badgers would have a $200 million roster. Like, would you not do that for JMU?

You know what I would do is I would also just pay random schools to steal all the good players from my rivals.

Yeah.

So, like, at some point, my roster is stacked. I don't have any chance to get anybody better. I just pay every other school in the country that's not in my conference to steal good players away from the. The teams that are.

Yeah, I would. I would do like 150 to the Badgers roster and 50 to the max schools to raid all the other Big Ten schools. Yeah.

Be great.

Yeah. Because this is a real thing for college football. Like, if you have endless money, you can. And you have a team, you can say, I want to. I want to just pay for all of it. So 200 million first. If I had. Well, for a Super Bowl. Yeah. If I had Larry Ellison's money. I guess that this doesn't work anymore.

If I had Larry Ellison's money. Yeah. It. Let's say 5 billion.

Yeah. Yeah. It's an easy question.

If you have Larry Elson's money.

I don't know.

All right, with Sunday, NFL Sunday is coming up, where you watch football for 10 hours straight. Is there anything you boys have done differently throughout the years to get through the day and to also be able to record the pod at your best while on Fumes?

I've. I've stopped going out on Saturday nights.

Yep.

Most. Most.

For the most part, I never go.

Out on Saturday nights. I would say for the podcast in general, we have done a good job of starting recording around halftime of the Sunday Night Football game, which I know it kind of sucks because we don't talk about the Sunday football game as much, but I don't have it in me to start. Like, we used to start Eastern time at midnight, and we were already kind of loopy. So that. That one's, I think, a change for the better for the show.

If the games. The problem is all the games happen at the same time. And so it's. You have to sit down after the afternoon games are over and really, like, look through and remind yourself of everything that happened.

Right.

Because you forget with all the football that's going on, you forget all the details about every game. In an ideal world, it'd be great to do the show after Saturday Night Football, but given what the guys behind the glass have to do, it's really not real. And also our own brains.

Right.

It's not realistic.

Like, if there was a time zone we could live in.

What if we were just in a plane that had, like, nine TV screens and we were just flying west for the entire game?

What, like, all.

All day on Sunday, going slow across the country?

What time does football start in Hawaii?

I want to say, like.

We'Re. Five hours.

I can't do this again. I can't do this again.

7:00Am yeah, that's too early. Yeah, like, that would be way too early. But that would also mean that we would be done with the podcast so early. Max.

I think.

No, Max, we would. We would be. The games would kick off at 7. The second slate would kick off at 10:15, right?

Yeah, but, you know, we would run into.

And the night game would kick off at 3pm we would.

But we would get. We would get so lazy. And then we would be like, oh, we got so much time. Time to record the podcast. And then we would report. Still record the podcast at, like, 10, 10pm Our time. And then it wouldn't get out until, like, noon Eastern Time.

No, 2 2pm 2pm Is Sunday night Football in Hawaii. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy.

That's. That's too much, Hank.

But there is something. I. I went to Hawaii, and it was during college basketball season, and it was very fun to put in bets before you went to sleep and then wake up, and it was like, halftime. You're like, oh, this is going well. Oh, this is not. Like you already have, like, a result.

I went to, like, a sports bar in Hawaii during, like, dinner time, and they were playing roofball.

What?

Like, the TVs were playing, like, the TVs were playing roofball.

That would have been sick.

That's a dangerous game, though, if you. If you already wake up and you've got, like, a bad start to your day. Oh, yeah. You check your phone and immediately like, well, this is going to be a tough one to get through.

Also, that happens every Sunday morning in the real world because I'll bet all of the late night college football games and wake up and be like, shit. That didn't go well, Hank. Last one.

That was it.

That was it. Wiper. What's going on with the mustache?

What's going on with your mustache?

The new look.

I don't know.

Just trying something. Okay, okay, okay. Just trying something. All right. Oh, oh, someone's ready. What did you pick on Tuesday's show?

I got it.

Okay, numbers.

Three.

That might have been PFC. I think Mike was off.

I think it's big cat.

22, 28. Come on.

He asked. I was just answering his question.

Wait, did PFT get it, or did.

I think Big Cat got it?

Okay, it doesn't matter. Yeah. As long as I get it. You want it?

PT No, I don't want it.

All right.

Whose side are you on? Number sucks.

It's way better for. It's way better.

I'll go 87. 43. What's your number?

I'll take 65.

Hank, what was your number?

22.

99.

Pug.

1976.

43. Did you get that, Zach? You got it?

No, Zach.

43. Yeah. Let's go, Zach. Zack, Zach, Zack, Zach, Zach. Fuck. Yes.

Let's go, Zach. That's awesome.

Post game press conference. Wow. Big cap from. Pardon my take here. Zach, how did you do it?

I guess it was always 43.

Okay, Zach, what was your strategy in picking a ball that won?

I was thinking in the 40s, and I was thinking low 40s. We went 43.

How long have you been picking balls, Zach?

I believe this is probably month three.

Oh, wow.

Or month four. So.

And you did it that quickly?

Oh, you know what? You were oh for 43 until you picked 43.

Is that. Oh, my God. Wow, Zach.

Amazing.

Zach, for other people who have not gotten it, do you have any words of advice?

Just gotta keep picking.

Yeah. Good advice. What about, like, maybe picking the right number?

No such thing as right or wrong number.

Well, no, no, no, no. You. You little picked 43, and 43 came up. That was the correct number.

Every ball has their day.

Yeah. Well, except for memes. Memes. What do you think about Zach? Because that was. That was in your mind, like, hey, Zach's gonna maybe get it. And I still haven't gotten it. No, I said for the beginning. I hope Zach hits it. Oh, really? Yeah. Okay.

It's pretty incredible.

So can you, like, what can you glean from what Zach just did in front of front of us? This is historic. Guy knows balls. Zach, I'm very proud of you.

You know what's crazy is that Zach was 0 for 43. Memes is now the only person that hasn't got it. He's. Oh, for 294.

Whoa. Oh, Jack also hasn't gotten it, but memes has picked 190 more times.

Yeah, a lot more.

Damn, Jack, you'll get it before 294 guesses, right?

Gotta get some longer shorts first.

Oh.

What'S up?

You're gonna get it before 294 guesses, right?

I hope so.

Yeah. Yeah.

Jack, comments.

Comments on your shorts being very short from memes.

I think they're fine. They're stylish.

Oh, also, Zach, was that the first time 43 has ever been correctly picked or what am I looking at right here?

I think that's Jack's pick history.

Oh, that's Jack's pick.

Yeah. Jack, what do you think about Zach getting the lottery ball?

Right. I think it's talking to the mic. It's fine.

Yeah.

Okay, Memes, how angry are you?

No, I'm chilling.

No, come on.

I'm just never gonna get it. Memes. Come on. I'm good. You're mad at Zach. No, I was. Room for Zach. Okay. No, you weren't. Well, you. You still haven't got.

All right, memes, go around the room. Who are you rooting for to get the lottery ball?

Zach.

Anyone else?

Nope. No one else? No. Oh, so this is a win for you. Yeah. No. Huge. Yeah.

Congrats, Memes. Did you pick it? Did you pick this?

No, I didn't pick this one. You just picked Zach, who then picked it? Yeah. Okay. All right, Zach, incredible job. Thank you. And you know what? I think this might be the floodgates opening. You might be getting it all the time now.

No, every ball has their day.

Not every ball.

Not every ball.

Three has.

Three is. Yeah, Three. Never. Literally never ever one time. Yeah, but it will probably be a day that I steal it. No, it came up one time. Oh, it did. And then the ball went missing, so. You don't think it's in here?

I just saw it in there yesterday.

No, this was June of 20 mean 3, and then the ball went missing.

And I picked it for, like, a couple months, and it was just not in there.

Damn.

Damn.

Damn.

That sucks, dude.

All right, great show, boys. But I did pick two correctly that one time.

Congrats, Zach. Love you guys.

Sam. Sa.

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