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15th.

15th, right? Beware the odds of March.

Beware the odds of March. What is that? That's when Caesar got shanked.

Beware the Ides of March. I apologize. I was going to say another bummer for the season from Hell from the Mavs, but I got distracted. You're right, 15th.

15th. March fourth was yesterday, and that's the only day of the year that's a complete sentence. Yeah.

Also, March the fourth be with you. Yes. Is what the Star Wars people say.

Yes, it is. That's a fact. No, but yeah, Season from Hell for the Mavs. The worst. Sucks for Kyrie. I feel bad for him. I feel bad for Mavs fans. This has just been so shitty for you guys. Yeah. Now, Anthony Davis, according to Shams, and his representatives are huddling up right now. Oh, no. They're all going to figure out whether or not Anthony Davis is going to return this year.

You basically went from the window opening, incredible run to the finals last year. Luca a superstar. You're young bigs, going to be big pieces. Kyrie, his whole career, not rebirth, but he started to have fun playing basketball again to, now we're sitting here at the Ides of March. And Kyrie is out for the year with a torn ACL. Luca is on the Lakers, and Anthony Davis is huddling up.

Yeah, they're huddling to determine whether or not they're... I'll tell you what's going to happen if they decide for him to come back. He's going to have a ham string strain in game one. It's going to be planned out like the Bay of Pigs, and then it's going to be over just as fast. It's not a good situation for the Mavericks to be in.

I feel bad for him just because this is the worst season Dallas fans have had to deal with since the 2024 Cowboy season.

Since this season. Yeah. And then the season before last.

And then the season before last.

But Duke's good.

Duke is good.

Tony Romo. Yeah, that's good for them.

I think it was put perfectly by a noted NBA insider. He said, It is bad that they don't have Luka anymore.

Who said that?

That was Pug.

Pug nailed it.

Pug nailed it. Pug absolutely nailed it.

Listen, if you had Luka, you'd still be like, This sucks. But yeah, maybe he'll be back next year. Probably not, but even so, we got Luka.

Yeah, we got Luka. We'll make a run in the playoffs. We probably won't win at all, but we'll at least have some fun moments. But it is bad that they don't have Luka anymore.

That was the one thing that Dallas fans had for a long time, even when the Cowboys weren't playing well when Dak would get hurt, to be like, Well, Luka season coming up. Luka holds it all together. Now it's like, yeah, Kyrie, he's got another season left on his contract, I think, right? I imagine he'll opt into that after this injury. I have no idea how NBA contracts work, but I think he has one more year left. Yeah. So he'll be back next year, hopefully, maybe. It just looked bad, but respect to Kyrie for stepping up to the foul line while he was crying and then hitting the foul shots. Yes. That was cool.

It's like when Kobe did it with his Achilles.

Yeah, that's the best thing that's happened to the Mavericks this year was Kyrie being able to hit those clutch free throws.

I don't know. If you're a Mavs fan, I don't know what...

You just pretend this year didn't happen?

Well, they also, if you're a season ticket holder, they got the notification that prices are going to up 8% next year.

That was to help pay for Anthony Davis's medical bills. Yes. Their insurance went up.

Yeah. Brutal.

I feel bad for Mavs fans.

What do you think are the worst seasons? This has got to be one of the worst seasons, right?

This has to be... I mean, given all the context- Winter.

Winter.

Given all the context, though, I think this has to be one of the worst seasons of all time. I know that people are like, Well, that's reactionary. But I'm just saying the context of finals run last year, future seems super bright, and then to have everything fall apart and not just every... You can deal with if Luca was injured but still on the maves, you're like, All right, season from hell. We'll be back next year. Everything fell apart and your own team sabotage your bright future because they traded away a top three guy.

Yeah, it's not good. I would say this, the White Sox had a season from hell, but that was different. That was almost by design.

That also gets to comical level where it's like, holy shit, how How many games are they going to lose? But yeah, this is really bad.

Browns 2024, Browns 2016.

Browns 2024, what was that was this year? That was this year.

Yeah, but see- You had James, you had some bright spots in there.

Yeah, I think with sports, it's always like when a team is bad, it's like, All right, that was a bad season, but it's the expectations and then where it ends up. That's the combo. That's the deadly combo that the Mavs fans are dealing with right now. Yeah, it's bad. It's brutal. We also had, I'm going to assume, we're taping this in the afternoon, I'm going to assume LeBron has hit his 50,000 point. 50,000 points.

Congrats, LeBron.

He was one shy the other night. I think everyone probably bet that he was going to score 18 points. That didn't work out.

I thought he was going to have an empty netter at the end.

Yeah, 50,000 is pretty insane. Yeah, it is. I know he's been in the center of all the who's the face of the lead controversy, which isn't really controversy, but it is pretty nuts. We're not the number one LeBron podcast, but I also know how incredible he's been in two decades plus of being at the top of the NBA is insane when you think about it.

I'm pretty clear on LeBron. He can be very frustrating and funny sometimes. Very funny. He can be unintentionally hilarious. He's one of, if not the best basketball player of all time. He's done a great job in terms of being in the public eye since he was, what, 16 years old? Yes. And not having any major scandals, not having anything derail in his career. That's hard to do. I don't know how he's done it, but he's done a great job of it. I think you could actually make the case that LeBron James, he is top two basketball player of all time. He might be a better dad than basketball player. It could be. The fact that he got his son drafted. Yeah, that's facts. He might actually be one of the best dads. It's like him and God. I guess, depending on which testament God you're looking at, probably.

It is funny because the drafted thing, we didn't talk about that on Sunday when we were talking about the face of the league stuff.

It is funny to throw that in there that LeBron was like, Yeah, Bronnie's better than a lot of guys in the NBA right now in doing that, and then being like, Media, don't be mean to me.

But he deserves credit. 50,000 points is insane. Hank, would you like to give him credit? That's an insane amount of points.

Yeah, credit where credits do. Steroids.

Oh, wow.

Oh, wow. That was mean. That was ugly.

Hank, you might get sued.

That was ugly.

That wasn't related.

We're just credit where credits do, period.

Steroids are illegal. Separate sentence.

Don't do them. Yeah, got you. Okay, that's a good sentence.

We're doing one minute of pro LeBron talk.

I gave him credit where it was due.

Credit where credits due, 50,000 points. Remember for the punishment, you were going to try to get his point total?

Yeah. That would have been crazy. Do you guys think you've ever done 50,000 of anything in your life?

Bets?

Probably. You think you've made 50,000 bets? I don't know.

Maybe. Sunflower seeds.

You think, yeah, all those years playing baseball for you? Yeah.

Let me think about this. How many Sunflower seeds do you think are in a bag?

Max, that's actually a genius answer. How many are in a bag? 300?

Piss?

Piss, for sure. I think I might have done 50,000 bets. I don't know. It's probably in the multiple thousands a year.

Yeah, I just don't know if I've done anything 50,000 times.

Piss, bets, eat. No, I was going to say eat ice cream. Probably not. That's a lot of ice cream.

50,000 meals?

50,000 meals. Sounds right. Let's see.

So 900 to, let's say 1,000 meals a year?

Yeah.

No. No? No.

Less. 1,000. Yes, so we're not. It's still 40,000.

That's 40,000 meals.

Golf shots?

No.

Yes.

No.

Think about how many you take just randomly on the simulator.

I've only been playing for five years. If I played my whole life, then yeah. But what? 110 around.

What about meatballs? No. Max, meatballs?

No. No, they're too big. You got to have something small. Yeah. I've probably played 50,000 notes on the guitar.

I've taken 50,000 steps.

Yeah, 50,000 steps. There you go. That's huge. I've not thought about Michael Sam 50,000 times. That's also huge. Probably leading all-time record for that.

Yeah. 50,000 Minutes podcasted.

Yes, we have to have hit that.

Yeah, Minutes is different. It's like minutes spent doing something as opposed to doing the actual task. We couldn't say 50,000 pods.

Also, is our 500th show coming up soon?

Yeah. I think so. I think it's this one. I think it might be this one.

Huge, huge. All right. Then the NFL, Saquon got a new contract. Zoom worked.

Yeah. Are runningbacks overvalued in the NFL now? They might be. I don't think I'd ever pay a runningback.

I don't know. What was the deals of his term? The terms of his deal.

It was two years, 41 million, I believe. Okay. That's pretty good. It put it over 20 million. No running back has ever been paid that much. I think there's, what, at least a dozen, maybe two dozen, receivers who make that much money. Good for him. But good for him. Happy for Saquon.

He deserves it.

It goes back to him and Derek Henry, they are worth that much money to be a piece on a good team. Yes, agreed. But they are not worth that much money. If you're a bad team, paying them that much doesn't make sense. Yes. But it is better to pay him that much money than it is to pay a quarterback who's not very good a lot of money. Correct. A Daniel Jones, if you would. Hypothetically.

Max, what do you think about that? Also, you cut Darius Slay.

And James Bradbury.

Getting rid of all your secondary.

James Bradbury, I don't think, was active for a single game this year.

Okay. Super Bowl champion.

Super Bowl champion, though.

Gets a ring.

He was a good vet in the locker room. Apparently, he did all the right things. He was never upset about it. So shout out James Bradbury. But Saquon deserved it. I also think there's got to be some cap reasoning.

He's up to something?

Yeah.

How are you structuring? I think that had to have been part of it.

How he had a great quote.

How he just moves money back all the time. I think somehow he probably restructured it that he's getting more money- Miles Garrett? With the extension. Miles Garrett. This is a bad podcast. I got to stop my sentence midway just so I could do the fingers.

Max, we were getting to a little debate over the weekend and on Monday's show about how I was maybe overreacting to the commanders getting Miles Garrett, but now it's more even between the Eagles and the commanders. Now, actually, the Browns have retaken the lead on that.

The Browns had always had the lead. I was saying other than the Browns.

Okay, other than the Browns. Because I looked at it.

I was probably just going to say with the Browns. The Browns are probably going to be like, Miles Garrett's the best player in the league. We're not giving him up.

Yeah, but no, I do. Listen, Howie is always cooking something.

He's got something cooking.

It must be fun to be an Eagles fan because you get to see any possible free or any possible trade and be like, That sounds, seems like a Howie deal. Yeah. How he's working the phones.

The only two tags we ended up getting because the deadline has passed is Tee Higgins and Trey Smith. T. Higgins, the bangles release that they tagged him, and they were working on a new long-term deal. I actually think the bangles might be able to pay everyone.

Do you think so?

I don't know.

I would. Sure.

Figure it out. You could just pay everyone.

If he doesn't get a new deal and he goes in the second year in a row on the franchise franchise tag, which is still a lot of money. But it's still bullshit. It's not guaranteed. There's nothing in the future. I guess this one year is guaranteed, but there's nothing past that. What's the over-under for amount of weeks that he plays before he has an injury that they can't figure out how severe it is?

Can it be negative?

Would you put it at half a week?

You think you- Well, I'm saying, yeah. Can it be, can it be training camp? Can it be- Yeah.

Does he play week one or does he have a calf injury?

The franchise tag is bullshit for a guy like Tee Higgins where it's like, Dude, I don't know, figure it out. I know it's a lot of money. What's it going to end up being? Probably, I have no idea. In the '20s? Yeah, I would say maybe even in the '30s. No, probably not the '30s. Wide receiver franchise tag.

Let's figure this out.

Franchise tag price. Either way, he wants his guaranteed money, deserves it. I agree. 21, 22,000, pretty much. That was for last year. Okay. So it might- Million.

Million. 22 million. Sorry.

It will be interesting, though, because if they sign Jamar Chase to a new deal, that would also-Impact.

That's like giving him a raise. Yeah.

Be like, Hey, don't worry, we'll get you on the back end.

That's cool. I wonder if Jamal Chase thought about that when he was negotiating. I need more money in the first year because that makes Tee's franchise tag worth more.

I'm sure Tee Diggons would be totally thrilled with that explanation. Like, Hey, we're paying Jamal Chase this much money, but guess what? It actually means that you get another half a million dollars. Yeah, he'd be like, Great.

Fuck you. There's one other thing that Howie did, Max. I don't know if you saw that quote. What is Howie doing? Is this quote about winning Super Bowl? I did not see this. It's pretty good. He said, The first one is almost like having sex for the first time. You're just so happy you had sex. It's not even the quality of it. The second time, it's like I can almost have fun and enjoy this. I like that.

I need him to have more sex, though.

He's only had sex.

I want him to like- You're on the bonk list. Is that a bonk?

Yeah, you're on how he wrote.

I think that's on. I want Howie Roast in the phone. I want Howie Roast. Yeah. But it's a metaphor.

No, that's supporting the boys.

Yeah.

You want your boys to get late. Correct. Imagine losing your virginity to nick Foles.

That would hurt.

That would be bad.

That would hurt. That would be bad.

He probably didn't even enjoy that Super Bowl at all.

That would hurt a lot.

Probably couldn't walk for a week.

Yeah, that would not be good. But yeah, Howie's up to something. He's up to something. So are we officially in the non-tampering zone of free agency?

Yeah, fuck it.

Yeah. Let's just say, Fuck it.

Fuck it. Let's start tamper. Tamp her away. Also, Devante Adams got released? Yes. So he will probably co-attend whatever job interview that Aaron Rodgers goes on, like in Step Brothers? Yeah. Probably ski vacation.

Yeah, that's exactly what they're going to do.

You think he'd want to play in Las Vegas?

I can't see in a Riders' uniform.

We're six days away from- Six days from the non-tampering?

Start tampering.

Nfl's legal tampering period, aka free agency is one week away.

You know what? I hereby declare legal tampering open.

I will look the other way if anyone wants to tamper right now. Yeah.

Do you think A. J. Brown is going to stay at Philadelphia Eagle Max?

Is that a question?

This is going off of the Patriots reached out to see if A. J. Brown was available.

Well, good thing we released the tampering period.

Yeah. Did they reach out to Howie or did they reach out to A. J?

I don't know. I saw an aggregator tweet about this. It seems like a big nothing.

Yeah. Did you get aggregated, Hank?

No, the Patriots want them.

Every team should want A. J. Brown. He's really good.

They don't have his former coach as their new head coach.

Memes just threw and traded him away.

That wasn't him.

He was the coach then.

There's video of him in the war room.

He's done his research. The change come with the research. You didn't expect that, memes.

He was traded away under Mike Vrabel's tenure.

That's not really. He's not the one that decided to trade.

Do you think that Mike Vrabel wanted to trade A. J. Brown?

Yeah, he probably fucking hates him.

I don't think that's what happened.

Then why would they call the Eagles to see if he's available?

You got aggregated.

Oh. Aggregated assault.

You're saying the Patriids didn't call the Eagles?

No. That's a heavy accusation to lay on someone else. Tell them they got aggregated. That's fucked up.

Memes would never get aggregated.

No. Memes, where's Devante Adams going to go?

And are you sad? I'm going to say San Francisco.

What was your favorite Devante Adams highlight? Was it when he popped out behind Aaron Rodgers on the McAfee show?

That was cool.

Oh, I liked his tackle that he made against the Steeler.

Oh, that's good. He had one great release, too.

Do you see that release? The Texans? I think it was against the Tex. He did a little sidestep at the line of scrimage, broke a guy's ankles. Yeah, that was cool. I think it was like an 11-yard gain.

No, I'm thinking of the countdown.

So overall, Devante Adams as a jet graded?

Going to go C minus.

Oh, okay. That's not bad.

That's very generous.

He wasn't the most disappointing missing piece.

No, he was a lector. He was incredible.

He gave that speech that fired up the team that Aaron Rodgers said was life-changing. Yeah, the life-changing speech.

The life-changing speech changed everyone's life. That's exactly right. Okay, do we have anything else going on in the world of sports?

Sam Darnold will not be franchise-tagged. Yes.

So-situation is fluid.

It's very fluid. I guess he could go back to Minnesota at this point, or he could be a giant.

It could be a giant. That would be very funny. Yeah, I love whenever a situation is fluid. Yeah. I think he's going to be a rater.

You think so? He's going to be a rater.

I don't know where that put... I think Aaron Rodgers is going to be a giant.

Devante Adams is going to be a giant as well.

I think I would like to see Sam back in New York.

Back in the New York groove. I'm back.

Back in the New York groove.

The New York groove.

Okay. Want to do Hot Seq Cool Throne? Sure.

We got two great interviews coming up. Very, very fun interviews.

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My Hot Seat is not really a Hot Seat, it's more of a hat tip around the horn. Espn announced today that they will host their final episode Friday, May 23rd. That made me a little sad, a little nostalgic. The Ides of May. Yeah. Ides of May. Pti around the Horn every single day after school. It's just sad. Times are changing. It is sad.

Yeah, it is sad. Woody Page must to run out of shit to put on his blackboard. That's the only excuse I could think.

Why are they getting rid of it?

Is there a reason? Ratings, or is it just run this course?

Nothing? Don't know. No follow-up? I think they announced that they were going to get rid of it a while ago, but now they have a date. Got it. That they put on it. You can't get rid of a sports program like that during football season. No. But late May? Yeah. Yeah. Just let it go out. Yeah. People won't... They're not going to realize it's gone until August, and then they'll be like, Wait, I need to hear people scream at each other.

Yeah, Round the Horn PTI back in the early 2000s, that was peak.

Pti is still good, by the way.

Oh, PTI is still great. I'm just saying that was when it was... Because PTI was very new and refreshing when it started, and those guys are still awesome together.

But I'm just saying that stretch where it was just...

Especially because it was before smartphones, so your sports news came from those two.

I think that's what made the early Round the Horn so Great, too, was the panelists that they'd have on, they had those relationships, and they would get pissed off at each other. They'd yell at each other. It was great. They figured out- Marriotti? Yeah, Marriotti was the goat. They figured out a way to make talking to Other people talk to each other about sports a sport.

Yeah.

The point system that made no sense. Yeah.

And Tony Reale seems like one of the best dudes ever.

Yeah, it seems like a solid guy.

I feel like no one's ever said a bad word about Tony Riale, and this program won't either.

No? Yeah.

Tony Rale and TJ Lavin. I feel like they were related. They always looked the same to me. Really? And they were just iconic hosts of the early 2000s.

We got to go visit our friend T. J. I know.

Yeah.

I love TJ.

Can't you see them? They're like cousins.

I can see what you're saying.

And then My Cool Throne is embracing debate. We didn't talk about this. Travis Hunter at the Combine said that him playing offense and defense is harder than Shoheye playing offense and defense.

Okay. Embracing.

And I think he's right. Wait, but- What he does on the football field is harder than- No.

Than pitching and hitting? Playing offense, defense, every baseball player does that.

No, obviously. Being a professional pitcher, being a professional cornerback and a professional wide receiver at the same time playing in the same game.

I feel like it would be a better comparison if Travis Hunter was a cornerback and a quarterback.

Yeah. I think Shoheys still clears that.

Why? Well, we've seen it.

It's a more specialized position.

And we've seen guys do it.

There's so much crossover between like- Hitting is not a specialized position. No, but I'm saying there's a lot of crossover between if you're playing corner, if you're playing wide receiver. There's a lot the same skills that you would use for both of those. Shohe as a pitcher and then as a hitter, it's completely different.

I don't know about that.

There's a lot of pitchers that can hit, and there's a lot of fielders that can pitch.

No, no, no. He's like the best. There's not a lot of pitchers that can hit like Shohe can hit. Yeah. There's not a lot of hitters that can pitch like-Dontre Willis.

No one can-Carlo Zambrano. No one...

Big Z could hit.

This is bad.

No No pitcher has been able to pitch and hit the way Shohe hits, and no hitter has been able to hit and pitch the way Shohe pitches.

No person has... I guess he hasn't done it yet.

There have been other guys that have successfully played both snaps all game.

Well, you haven't seen in the NFL.

Yeah, in the NFL, maybe not.

But like, Sonny Ball- But you can't say this until he does it in the NFL.

But you can't say this until he does it in the NFL. Some of these guys could do both.

I think Sonny Ball led the league in shutdown passes, interceptions, and punting in the season.

I mean, Troy Brown gentlemen played both, but not success. I guess it will see after the season if he's successfully able to do both.

I think what Shohey is doing is still one of the most insane things.

It is crazy, yes.

I love Travis Hunter. We'll see if he can do it in the NFL.

Shohey has a husband?

That's a fucking good point. That's a good point. God damn it. You're on your game today.

I have no response to it.

Travis Hunter doesn't have any gambling scandal connections to him.

Travis Hunter doesn't have MLB World Series. He doesn't have a World Series ring.

Yeah, but I mean, Shohe didn't even play. He only played one position.

But can Shohe go live on Twitch?

Probably not. I don't think so.

Could he pull like Travis pulled?

He got us with the Heisman.

Yeah, that's good. Embrace debate.

Yeah, that's how it's done.

This is why we debate.

This is how it's done.

That was Supreme debate.

Point Hank. Travis Hunter, more impressive than Shohe O'Tani.

Yeah.

I will say that he has to hit people.

Yeah.

On both sides. I will start agreeing- And showboy doesn't even play the field.

I'll start agreeing with- He just hits. I'll start agreeing with what you're saying. How hard can that be? Travis Hunter is able to do this in the pros because that will be insane. I think he'll have packages on offense, but I don't think any team is going to let him play that many snaps in the pros.

I feel like that's what he said when he...

I think he's going to try.

He made the switch to Colorado. It's like all this different now is D1, major conference.

But that's just double the chance of getting injured.

I think he's going to try to do it.

I still don't think he would have to be the best corner and the best receiver in the league. Yeah.

I'm sure he's not the best pitcher, but he's up there. He's up there. He's up there. He is up there.

He's the best hitter in the league, and he would have to be- He'd have to be the best wide receiver and a top 5, top 10 cornerback would be the comparable. He would be an all pro. If MLB had all pro like the NFL does, he would be an all pro in both. Correct.

If he stayed healthy and played both. That's a good point.

Why are you putting that on him?

Because he didn't. He did not.

But Shohe eventually will just be hitting eventually. We'll see how much more you can pitch. I hope he can keep pitching. Hank body does.

Also, counterpoint, though, Hank, this is one thing I learned watching around the Horn. You have to say the hardest thing to do in sports is hitting a baseball.

I also don't think Hank actually believes what he's arguing. He just wants to be the other side of the argument, which is a good role to have. No, no, no.

I don't think you actually believe it. We are in supreme debate. I think there's a better chance of another show Teotani coming around than another Travis Hunter.

No, that's not right. That is so wrong.

That's just not right.

That's just not right. That's just not right. That's just not right.

That's just not right. That's just not right. What do you mean that's more physically demanding? You know what? You just said that's just not right.

Hank, who else has done it at Shoheys level ever?

Babe Ruth.

A hundred years ago when they didn't let black people play.

It's been a hundred years since.

Well, they didn't have the DH in the NL till two years ago.

What?

They had it in the AL.

Yeah, he's not on the ALT.

Where was he two years ago?

What is that? Okay, now Hank's losing. Now Hank's losing.

How many pics does he have? It's a good debate. That was a good fucking debate. You agree?

Yes, embrace the debate.

We get outside the white lines with friends again. Inside the white lines, we're enemies.

I still think Hank won, though.

Yeah, I mean, the Heisman thing just crippled me.

He got off to a hot start. We couldn't catch him.

That brought me to my knees. Yeah. All right, PFT.

My hot seat is the Houston Rodeo. I think it was a Houston Rodeo. It was a rodeo that was happening right outside the NRJ Stadium. They were loading in for the rodeo to take place at NRJ Stadium, and a bull got out and ran away. I think it might still be on the loose right now. We got a runaway bull in Houston. According to the Texas Livestock Committee, they have a name for it when a bull escapes and gets out in the wild.

Okay.

Is it just, Oh, Shit?

No, it's not, Oh, Shit. It's called a Johnny Football. We have a currently happening Johnny Football. We need to get the choppers in the air and chase this thing down. But this thing is just steam rolling people on the sidewalks of Houston. It's pretty great. There's a guy wearing a neon vest that steps in front to try stop it, and the Bull is just like, No, I don't care about your neon vest. He's like, blowing a whistle at it. Bull doesn't care. Bull just goes through. Anyways, it's a cool video to watch, and it's rodeo season. That is cool. My other hot seat is, I'm just going to say it, Blake's on my hot seat right now. Blake got put in time out at daycare again today. This has happened a couple of times. He's grabbing dogs by the collar and walking them around. I love that. Alpha. I don't like that. I don't like that behavior from him. He's taking other dogs for a walk.

As the fun We love that. No, this is fun uncle encouragement behavior.

We're going to have to have a talk when I get home because he can't be doing this shit.

I'm on your side.

Why, Max?

What do you know about owning a dog?

Dog life is tough.

Yeah, dog life is Like I said, reality just hit him that he got a dog, it's cute, and then you got to train the dog and live with the dog.

There's a lot that goes into it.

And think about the dog.

I love my dog. I've been single dog parent this week, and it just sucks. Oh, no. I've just been going back and forth from the office. Oh, no. Honestly, it has me on edge. I'm yelling at everybody today. Oh, no. A whole dog just to yourself?

Yeah.

That's a lot of responsibility.

Oh, my God.

Dogs are harder than kids.

Yeah, I agree, Max. Preach, Max.

Been there.

I've been doing it. What if you have three kids and a dog?

But then the dog gets in line. Then the kids can take care of each other.

Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's right. The dog helps to raise the The dog definitely gets in line when the kids show up. Stops being a dog.

I get a call once every... I'd say three weeks from his daycare, and when I see it pop up on my phone, I'm like, Oh, fuck, what do you do? Just the same as you would if you got a call from your kid's school being like, Oh, shit, he's in trouble right now. So I got to call, pick up. They're like, Yeah, he's been walking other dogs around. They're not liking it, but he won't stop doing it. And we can't think of anything to do to make him stop. There's one thing that I've learned that I can do to make Blake stop doing whatever it he's doing. And he freezes and looks at me like, Oh, fuck, I'm in big trouble. And if I make this sound, it's... That sound, he fucking hates that sound. I couldn't figure out-Not a cream pie guy. I couldn't figure out why. And then it dawned on me. The only other time I've seen him give me that look is when he was laying on the couch one time and I farted on him. And he stood up and he staring at me. He was like, What the fuck was that, bro?

That's it. I think he thinks that I'm farting every time I make that sound at him. So I'm just going to have to go home and either fart on him or just make that noise. Damn. He's in trouble, though. Blake, if you're listening, I still love you very much.

I think I'd still rather get a call about Stella than one of my kids at school.

No, Max, he doesn't get it. You don't get it. You don't get it.

What's a human?

Yeah, but humans can understand. They can understand words.

You can't just go to your son and he's going to stop. He'll probably laugh. When school calls me, I'm like, my immediate thought is something really bad happened to my human.

When I get a call, I'm like, Oh, something really bad happened to my dog, and it's pretty bad.

I'm still pissed at Hank for the O'Tani thing.

He bought you in Supreme debate. What are you going to say?

I've been yelling. I just got to stop yelling at people.

You're literally mad. You have to go eat dinner a couple of times.

You would be in tears right now.

You would have been crying for a week.

No, bring it on.

Oh, that's the challenge.

I'd probably do 50 to 1.

All right.

My hotsy-My cool throne. Oh, sorry. My cool throne. Sorry. My cool throne, Pete Rose. Because Pete Rose might get reinstated into baseball. Now, he is dead, but Rob Manfred is considering allowing him to be reinstated and therefore, maybe putting him in the Hall of Fame.

He got pardoned.

He got pardoned. Then I think a quote from Pete came out from before he died that said, After I die, they'll reinstate me at that point, which it was a lifetime ban. The operative word being life. He's no longer alive. He's dead. So the band should have already been lifted.

Yeah, it would make sense. From everything I've heard from the Pete Rose, I always thought he should have been in the Hall of Fame, but it did feel like Pete Rose never had actual remorse for anything he did.

Never at all. He just incrementally apologized for more and more things, but also said more lies about what he didn't do.

I think someone told the story once. He had a big meeting with, I think it was either Selig or Manfred, basically trying to show contrition, and then he just walked across the street, went right to the sportsbook. It was just like, All right.

Yeah. He didn't care. The man liked to gamble. Yeah.

All right. My hot seat is UPFT. Do we think that the hit show Tard Knocks, the naming of it, has maybe ended Hard Knocks at UNC?

The Tard Knocks Curse? Yeah, it did.

You dropped it on Sunday, and then on Tuesday, they're Yeah, we're not doing it.

I think somebody from HBO listened to the show and was like, Everyone's going to be calling it Tard Nox. Yeah, I think so, too. We can't have this. Yeah, I agree. It was a good name.

It was a good name, but it's no longer.

So what happened there?

I don't know.

Bill Belichick struggles with commitment?

Yeah. But Bob Diaco is back. He's on the staff.

Love Bob Diaco. So are they going to try to get a professional team to do it, or are they going to just try to find another college team?

Hard Knocks, you can do the PMT. Yeah. You're welcome to do it for the right price. Pard knocks. Pard knocks.

Doesn't the NFL have to do it?

That's what I always thought.

I always thought so, too.

If they just demand.

I think they have to do the regular hard knocks, but to do the offseason hard knocks, since it's a new thing, they might just be like, No, fuck you. We don't want to do that.

Yeah. All right. My other hot seat is...

Are we good? No one asked for more hard. I mean, the in-season one is not bad.

The in-season one I liked. The training camp one or the OTA, I don't care. But the in-season I actually enjoy it just because it's one of those stupid tricks you play on your brain. It's like seeing yourself on a Jumbotron. You're like, Oh, I'm right there. I'm right here. When you watch in-season Hard Knocks and you're watching it, you say, Oh, I remember watching that game. Yeah.

That was cool. Are you watching it with somebody that isn't a big football fan and you're like, I know what's going to happen. Yeah, right. They're setting you up for something.

Yeah, it's pretty cool to watch. Also, my hot seat, are we good with Canada or no?

I'm good with Canada.

I'm good with Canada.

It seems like they put a retaliatory tariff on us.

Oh, we're in a tariff off?

We're in a tariff off, and I'm hearing that it might get resolved tomorrow. Okay. Shortest war ever.

I don't want to hate Canada.

No, I like Canada. I had no beef with Canada. I got no beef with the Canadian people.

Yeah. All right, my cool thrown is the bonk list because ask and you shall receive our guy, PMTStats, who does a great job, has updated the bonk list. I'm sure he'll send it to you, memes, But so far, the standings through this year are PFT.

I know it was a competition.

Well, I mean, that was how it started. Yeah.

I think I was pretty sure I just started it.

No, we started it because we had a debate of who's hornier.

I said Big Cat was hornier.

He said I was hornier. I was like, PFT is hornier. He makes more sex jokes. Then we started the bonk list. Pft, you are in the lead right now with five.

Well, who is... So PMT stats, I appreciate it all. Met him. Great dude. I appreciate all the work that he does. But how are we... He's just going based on what he thinks is a horny comment.

Well, probably when we say bonk list.

Okay. All right.

I'm in second at four. Hank, you have two. Max and Meem's both asexual, zero.

All right.

Also, Darryl Mori is on the bonk list because Keisha had an Instagram where it was just her butt was out and he liked it.

It's just a funny thing.

What post is that? Hold on, I bookmarked it. Okay, yeah, show it. I'll send it to you.

It's just a funny visual. I like Keisha. I love Keisha. She has bangers.

It's just a funny visual of just seeing Keisha with her butt out and then Darryl Mori liked by.

Good job, Darryl.

I like that, Darryl.

He's getting horny with it.

Okay.

I'm going to have to look this up and bookmark it, too.

Yeah, but don't bonk him. That was just research. Max, memes. You guys have anything to say about being asexual?

I got to step my game up. Yeah.

Sorry, I respect women.

Do you?

Sounds like you don't.

Yeah, it sounds like you don't.

No, you guys look at the sexual objects.

No. No. I'd say out of those five, I'm going to guess that...

He's still so mad.

That two of them have just been me being harned.

Joey had 60 storm bases last year.

Yeah, he doesn't have to play the field.

How can you respect Respecting women so much to say that they're attractive and you want to have sex with them, that's the ultimate respect. No? Okay. Max is literally just looking up more stats.

Yeah. Is it disrespectful to women to go on their Instagram and say, I like this picture that you took and you uploaded? Yeah. I'm appreciating their work.

Is it disrespectful to go on Twitter and see a woman post something and say, I would pay a million dollars just for you to fart in a cup for me? No, that's just respecting their work.

Come on, Max.

Is it disrespectful to say, AJ Titties, I would drink your bath water? Or is it supporting a small business?

Is it disrespectful to say, Who's back in the week? Casey Anthony? Or are you just really like murderers? Right.

Who'd said that?

You did.

Well, she's back.

She is back.

I am fascinated with her.

The murdering part?

I'm fascinated with her as a liar.

Okay.

She is a top five liar of all time.

Casey Anthony looks like Susan Boyle. Do you care?

No. The thing is, I don't know who Susan Boyle is.

It's the American ideal singer. British God talent.

I was going to say American God talent. Oh, yeah. I mean, even if Casey Anthony looked like almost anybody besides Casey Anthony, we not care.

Yeah, Max, why don't you start respecting women a little bit more?

I very much respect women.

It doesn't sound like it. You got another Shoheye stat for us?

You're deep into stats right now.

I can see your face. Yeah, he finished fourth in Cy Young one year.

Damn. But-wow.

What is that?

In the AL.

What does that mean? Wow.

Now, I want defend Darryl Mori real quick here.

That was the Heisman. Do they invite four people to the Heisman to New York?

The Heisman is college.

I know, but I'm just talking awards.

Yeah.

Shohey does not have one.

He has two MVPs.

Does not have a Heisman.

But on this post, he might have just been liking the caption because the caption was Fuck Kanye. Oh. Love to 2 Chains.

Okay, so that might be it. Yeah. All right, let's get to our interview. We got Liam Cohen, and then we have braided Cchuck Captain America. We're brought to you by our friends at Truly, Truly Unruly. It's the first high ABV hard seltzer that actually tastes good. Truly Unruly is a hard seltzer that breaks all the rules, drinks light, parties hard. With 8% ABV, it hits hard but still tastes amazing. Comes in four fresh flavors, Tropical twist, berry blast, citrus crush, strawberry smash. It's the official hard seltzer part of my take. Find Truly Unruly at a store near you or visit trulyhardseltzer. Com. We just had the Truly people for a little photoshoot that's coming out.

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It is Jacksonville Jaguars' head coach, Liam Cohn. First of all, Coach, thank you for joining us. We're at the Combine. How does it feel just right off the rip? Are you getting used to the fact that you're being introduced as a head coach now?

Yeah, it's a dream, man. Dream come Obviously, grew up in this deal. Watched my dad do it at a really young age. Grew up in sidelines in coaches offices, in locker rooms, and I always wanted to be him. I wanted to be him and to be able to do it on this stage with this opportunity, can't thank Shad Khan enough for this.

I read a story about you growing up that even when you were five years old, you weren't playing with Ninja Turtles. You were drawing up plays. Is that a tall tale or is that actuallyThat's exactly what it was when you were a kid? You were just drawing up the wishbone offense.

That was real. I think that was probably dad pushing that narrative in ways, but it was our passion. That was our shared bond. It was football. It was sports. It was basketball. It was baseball. It was all sports. That's been life at a very young age. Unfortunately for my wife, I don't have a lot of other tools in life, but football is something that ultimately I've done for a really long time.

Do you use any of those plays that you drew up in your five?

Do the wing-tea. A lot of the wing-tea principles that we used in a lot of our 21 Pony stuff with the two-back and the gap schemes and some of the GT stuff we did with the misdirection. It was really a process from the wing tee, which is what I ran and what my dad ran back in the day.

When you were playing because you played college ball, was there a moment, even when you were playing college ball, you're like, I know I'm not going to be playing anymore, but I'm going to be a coach. When did that happen?

My senior year, my elbow was shot. I was getting shot up every Wednesday to practice and Saturday to play. And so knew that was falling off. The cliff was falling off. Too many curveballs as a 10-year-old, and it just wasn't going in that direction. I went and trained, and Matt Nagui actually was training me at the time in Lancaster, PA, and I just knew it wasn't really going to be in the future. So had an opportunity to go to Brown really early on. Mark Whippel actually helped get me that job and knew from a very young age, I think that this was what I wanted to do if I couldn't play. Yeah.

I feel like Brown and Holy Cross are two schools where coaches know that's a great coaching school. What makes a great coaching school?

Maine, too. I would say a lot of good coaches from that area. That Northeast, you go with the old Atlantic 10, which became the CAA. And in the Ivy League, you can get opportunities because you're paying nothing at a young age. You can go in and you wear a lot of different hats. I was the video coordinator in 2010. I'm the video coordinator, quarterback's coach, recruited 10 states, and you get an opportunity to develop as a coach. But I've met guys that have come into the NFL and not knowing how to make a copy. You've got to be able to learn and give the ops. I think that that's what some of those programs do. They give you an op to really dive into it. Yeah.

At what point... Talk me through your Sean McVay coaching tree. His coaching tree is pretty insane. There was a joke that if you had a cup of coffee with Sean McVay, you're going to be a head coach. You got the benefit of that. But how did you get introduced to Sean McVay? I would assume we know him fairly well, but impressing him to the point it feels like he's got a pretty discerning eye in terms of who he's bringing into his group. How were you able to get into the Sean McVay house?

It was after the first year in 2017. Matt Lafleur ends up going to the Tennessee Titans to go call it. Zack Taylor gets promoted from assistant receiver's coach to quarterbacks. He doesn't name an offensive coordinator. A couple of guys were on that staff. Shane Waldron was on that staff. A couple of guys that I knew. I knew Zack a little bit when he was at Cincinnati. I was at Maine. We played Yukon, had a little bit of a familiarity there. So knew a couple of guys in the building, but ultimately, it was a blind op. Really? It was a blind op. Shane, I knew a little bit, but it was a blind op. Those guys that I were in the interview process against had connections to Sean. I had no connection to him, came in. I was the offensive coordinator at Maine, and then a quick stop at Holy Cross that I didn't even get to coach at. Go in, interview for the assistant receiver's job, and he's got me on the board doing protections. He was drawing up an Abby front, which we talk about the split mug. It's the Zimmer stuff with the double A gap mug stuff.

He's like, Hey, man, how are you picking up Nickel Mike pressure out of this look, and I'm up on the board like, Wait, I'm interviewing for the assistant receiver's job, and you got me talking protections? And I had never seen that look. And I turned to him, I said, I don't know what this is. He's like, Man, don't worry about it. It's new in the league. We're just trying to ask a bunch of people and figure it out. So it was an honest opportunity, and I felt like I ended up going and winning the job.

When you go for that interview, do you have one play in your back pocket where you're like, I'm going to fucking knock his socks off with this one. What is it?

It was a play-action concept with basically a max pro play-action that I knew that they had run a few times with Deshaun Jackson when he was in Washington. It was like a deep V-cut pylon route, we call it, which It was like an 18-yard, stick your foot in the ground, go to the back pylon, and then he would use Reid on the sail concept and be able to chase it with it with a max pro play pass. I drew that one up. We had used that main. Then really on third down, we drew up my favorite drop-back concept was what we call pressure drive, which is an old-school West Coast concept that he had run for a long time. But the detail, right? It was detailing that play, I think was cool to be able to talk through because when you get off the board and he's not really hitting you on a ton of different coaching points, you feel like at least you nailed it.

Do you have an overall coaching philosophy?

Yeah, fast. That is what we talk about, fast. Fundamentally, sound, attacking, situational masters, and tough, both mentally and physically. That's where it starts. That's where it stems. I think that the mentally and physically tough part, though, is the one that we really want to talk about. When you go in to Tampa this past year, they have the 30 second-ranked run game in the NFL in the last two seasons, and we go and bring it to number four this past season. So it was buy-in. It was all about toughness, physicality, the way that we wanted to play the game, our style of play. Mike Evans is digging out support on safeties. He doesn't have to do that stuff. And so we got him to that point. There was an immediate buy-in. I think that that's where it all stemmed from.

Wait, run through that acronym again? Fast.

Okay. Yeah, fundamentally sound.

Attacking. Already not a great acumen if you have to use two words, but keep going.

Fundamental. Attacking. Situational masters. Again.

What do you mean?

This is bad. Situational. This is bad. Situational. What are you talking about?

Situational masters. Is that one word or two? It's two. That's two words. Okay. Situational. Fasmed. Yeah.

All right, so situational masters.

How do I achieve situational mastery?

Dude, there's a lot of tape that we can go back and watch. We watch Super Bowl's, two-minute drives, four-minute drives, clock management situations. We try to show him the good and the bad, but from previous years. Like, Belichick had this book. Coach Belichick had a book. It was like the Bible that you have. And it's been passed along through a lot of different people. And He's got specific games, situations, when things came up to where you can go back and look at. Those situations still come up today.

We have a situational book. Do you really? Yeah. You want to ask him about the book?

Our book? Yeah, we can ask him about the book. What's the T, though?

Tough.

Okay, so you covered at the end, but you got to work on that.

Come on.

An acronym can't have multiple words in each one.

It was pretty clean.

Or situational, it's pretty clean. It all maybe would have been better. Funamental.

Situational master.

I forgot A already. Attitude?

Yeah, but it's bad.

Attacking? Attacking. Fundamental?

No, it's not fundamental. It's fundamental. There's two words, right? What's F? Fast.

Fast.

Fundamentally sound, attacking.

Fundamentally sound, attacking.

Situational masters.

Situational masters. And tough.

Okay. D minus. D minus. Pretty easy.

But also the fast is also the F.

Ask Baker. I think he'll probably say it was pretty good.

Listen, that was-I think those guys all bought in pretty quick.

Wait, who? Baker? The entire Tampa Bay.

Baker's a Baker's dog.

Wait, so let's do our situational- Well, no, I was going to say, if you brought up Baker, I just wanted to see, do you feel bad making Baker have to meet another offensive coordinator? Bad?

I don't feel... It's not bad. It's unfortunate in ways because of the competitor, because of the person that he is. We got really close. Obviously, we worked together in LA for those last five or six weeks. He was paramount in my evolution to coming to Tampa, getting there. So, yeah, you definitely feel unfortunate for the situation because of the type of dude that he is. But he's in a place where he's continuing to ascend. He's just doing this right now. He's got a ton of confidence. He's at a place where a lot of people love him and believe in him. And I think that's all I'm going to continue.

Did you ever text him back?

Oh, yeah.

What do you mean? Because he said that he was left on red. No. Okay. All right. Good. Because we love Baker.

We saw each other in person. Okay. All right.

Which situation? I was thinking2.

The book that we use for everybody, it's pretty simple math. It's an end of game situation. You want to ask the-Which one? 2 point, 1 point?

Okay, yeah. All right. So you score.

So let's say there's five minutes left. You're down 14. You score a countdown. Are you going for two or one?

Got to go for two. All right.

That's smart.

Just so you know what you're going to deal with moving forward.

All right. That's good. You know that. Here's another one. Hot shot. It's fourth and goal on the eight, and you're down eight, and you're going up against the greatest quarterback of all time. Do you kick a field goal to go down five, or do you go for it to try to score a shutdown and tie the game?

Got to go for it. Yeah. It would be crazy to kick that field goal. Who's on the other side?

It's actually the best quarterback in the history of the NFL.

It's the Tampa Bay box in the NFC Championship game against Matt Lufour and the packers.

You're going to have to use that up. You're down there. You're going to have to use that You got it.

But you can also kick three field goals.

Yeah, you're down there, and you're an opportunity to go score a shutdown. You're that close. We all know how hard it is to score in the red zone in this league. So when you're down there, you got to have your up. I think you got to be aggressive there.

I feel like over the last 10 years, especially, coaches have started to realize that it's smart. It's actually the correct thing to do to go four and fourth down more often. But is that a change that you noticed as you started coaching? Or the second you got into the coaching gig, it was like, that was already the thought that was bubbling its way up to the NFL.

2018, Seattle. We're in Seattle. We're up one in Seattle. We're on the minus 40. And we're playing Russell Wilson at the time. They were rolling. And we were in a back and forth game. They hadn't stopped us. We really hadn't stopped them. We take a time out. It's fourth and one. And Sean goes around the whole headsets. What do we want to do? Sneak it or punt it? Obviously, give guys the ball back again. Every single dude on the headset said, pun it, everybody. He goes to Wade Phillips. He was like, Man, we haven't stopped him once. Go for it. We went for it, sneaked it, won it, game over. If we didn't, it could have been catastrophic. They're going to go five yards, basically, to go kick the game-winning field goal. But it was that aggressive mentality there, that believing in the guys and have an understanding of you haven't stopped them yet. So that's not probably going to stop at that point. That It may not change. It may, but play the odds.

Yeah. All right. So enough of the niceties. Let's get to the real business here, why you're here. Duval. Let's just break it down, because we're actually the perfect people to fix what happened there. What was going through your head? I have a theory that it actually wasn't the way you said Duval, it was your eyebrows.

Is that right?

You did two eyebrow raises, which is unheard of. I've never seen it before.

That was the part where it went off the rails.

It was going okay.

Then you raised the other eyebrow.

I was like, This guy's a freak.

What was going through your head?

No, it was just a cadence. I'm a quarterback by nature. I'm using my cadence. Hey, at the end of the day, you have to adapt to different cadences. That was my cadence at the time. And now, hey, I'm going to learn from these guys and be able to do a better job next time.

How does it work with the PR team when you finish the press conference, you walk off, you're like, I nailed that. And then someone's like, Sir, the Duval thing is going viral.

I just go back to Dan Campbell talking about biting kneecap. Yeah.

We actually made that point on your behalf.

It's like, listen, you can judge on... Our job is to judge on first impressions. That is our job. But If you just judge fully on first impressions, everyone thought Dan Campbell was a meathead, and he'd never win.

Yeah, I think a message for Shad Khan, and what we're trying to do is be bold and be different. And I've never... This past season in Tampa was my most truest, authentic self for the first time. I wasn't trying to be Sean. I wasn't trying to be Kevin O'Kano. I wasn't trying to be Zack Taylor. I was just being myself. And yeah, that was my cadence that day. Obviously, I wasn't too loved, but I think these guys, once we start winning games.

Made an impression, do you want to give another shot without the double eyebrow?

I'm good.

Come on, just give us a Duval, but just regular.

Duval. There we go. That's better. That was better. That was better. That was way better.

I think you're smart. How easy is that?

I think you're smart to hold off on it, wait until after your first win, and then maybe hit the Duval and you hit it with a wink, too. There you go.

It's the eyebrow.

Just keep the other eyebrow down.

The rock does the one eyebrow and everyone loves it.

There you go. We actually were having this conversation in Tampa two weeks ago. My son, three-year-old son, just did it. I can do it. My dad does it. It's just a thing. It's not probably the coolest thing, but it's a thing. Yeah.

The eyebrows work.

Yeah, they do. I don't know how much you know about the storied history of the Jacksonville Jaguars, but we have a couple of things that we'd just like to inform you about so that you know what you're getting into, and you have to learn the history of where you're working. Are you familiar with the kid that got his head stuck in the jaguar statue? No.

Oh, my God.

You need to familiarize himself with it. What do you mean?

We've actually had him on the show.

We had him on the interview. He was pumped up one day. He was, I think, eight years old at the time. There's a giant jaguar statue outside the facility. He stuck his head in it. There was a little bit of blood. They call the fire department I think they had to solve one of the jaguars teeth.

There was a theory that the jaguars were cursed because of this. What year was this? This was in the late '90s, I want to say, early 2000s. '95, '96.

Did he have any issues moving forward?

Is that all right? So we were in California last year, and we were doing a bar event, and this guy comes up to me. He's like, You don't know who I am, but I'm very important to you. I was like, What? Then he was like, I'm the kid who got my head stuck in the jaguar statue. We had him on the show, and we closed the book, so you're welcome for that.

He's fine now. Yeah, you guys are good. He's good. How familiar are you with Blake Bortles? Just his game.

La, we were together. Did you reach out to him?

When you took the job, you were like, Hey, just tapping in, making sure Let me know I'm in town now.

Blake, absolute best. He is the best. He took us to golf at Calabasas when he was living out there. He lived right around the corner from the golf course out there. We went and played a few times. The boat's a stud.

He was a free It's a free idea for you. I know that he's welcome in the Jaguar's family, but maybe excommunicate him so then you can bring him back. And everyone's like, holy shit, he did it. He brought the boat back. He brought the boat back. It would. And Blake would do. It would. He probably wouldn't even find out he was excommunicating Yeah, he's all in on that.

You're back. He actually gave us my realtor. Oh, really? Yeah. He's the best.

Maybe you do Blake Bortle's Night, and then any fan that shaves Blake Bortles' haircut into their head, they I get free tickets to the game.

What was a lookalike contest, my bedroom. He gave me a completely different perspective on the quarterback position when he came to LA. Jared was still growing and still just that the mentality, a little bit of the, Hey, screw it. You're just going to go let it rip and go play. This is who I am. This is how I play. He's like, Dude, I'm like Chuck Noblek. He would kill himself. He was so self-deprecating. But it was good. It was in a good way. That's actually a good word in our profession.

Have you had a chance to sit down with Trevor Lawrence yet? Yeah. So what was that? I assume that you had probably met him before, but as coach, what was that first me read about like, Hey, I'm going to unlock you.

Yeah, I watched him play as actually a freshman in high school. It was random. I was there recruiting a different player on his team. He was in a playoff game against Buford High School in Georgia, and he went and ripped it. He was getting smashed in the face, just kept getting up, making plays. And so when I got with him a couple of weeks ago, it's just you felt a dude that just wants to go take it to the next level. He's mentally and physically tough. He's been able to go through a lot of stuff, and he's been through a ton of change. And all he wants to do is be great. He really does. He just wants to go be coached, go pour into this thing, and And I think he's primed to go do that. He's going through a ton of change right now, obviously. Had the injuries, a new father, new coaching staff for the third time now. A ton of humility. But he's got a feeling where he's like, Man, I need to play to my potential. I haven't reached it yet, and that's cool to see.

Also in Jacksonville history, are you familiar with the pool? The pool in the stadium? Yeah, very important. You have a swimming pool in your stadium. It might be the only NFL team.

We played there in Clemson. We played Clemson, Kentucky in the ball game. I didn't even see this thing.

Seriously? We swam in it with Doug Marrone.

Is it clean?

Yeah, it's clean. We were wearing jeans.

You went full-cloth?

Just jeans. I have one does in Florida.

You were with Coach Marrone?

Yeah, he went in with us. It was awesome.

Just spitball in here.

I feel like maybe you should ban the pool until you guys have a winning record. Maybe have it like a little carrot, no one in the pool. And then when people get in the pool, it's like, look, we did it.

Open up the pool. Yeah, open up the pool. It's like a family. Yeah, I got you. I can respect that.

Listen, the pool is great. We love the pool. If things are going bad, the pool gets mocked because it will be like the Jags are down 20, and then there's four dudes standing in the pool, and you're like, oh, man, this is sad.

I can see that.

So yeah, maybe only when the Jags are up, people are out in the pool.

Or how about this? How about that die that you grow up hearing about that's in a pool where if you pee-Pee?

Yeah. I don't think that actually exists. That would actually be a phenomenal idea.

You put that in the pool until you start winning, and then you take the guy out.

Start to shame people. Yeah, you can shame people for peeing in it right off the bat. I respect that.

I got a question about your time in LA that I still don't understand What does it mean when you're the non-play-calling OC? Do you just sit there the whole time being like, Man, I wish I could call a play?

No, it's more you're in a support role. Obviously, he's got a ton of responsibilities with offense, defense, special teams, personnel, a lot of stuff. You're really the rhythm of the week. You're trying to help create the clean rhythm, make sure everybody's staying on task, getting their stuff done, getting the scripts done, defensive scripts, cards. You're essentially organizing throughout the entire their week. And then as he gets caught up and gets into more the roots of the game plan, then he can start to dive into how he wants to attack, how does he want to call the game. So is it difficult? Yeah, I probably underestimated that going from calling plays in Kentucky to go into that role in LA after they won a Super Bowl. Probably underestimated that for me. But you know what you're getting into. You know that you're going to go support a dude that's a complete stud and does things the right way, treats people the right way, and it's super infectious. So that's what you're going to be a part of, and you know what you're getting into.

Would you ever get in trouble for, I don't know, calling too many shots or something when you're an offensive coordinator and you're in practice going up against the defense? The head coach has to dial you back and say, Hey, we're both trying to learn here. It's practice for both sides.

No, we've had some of those conversations this past year in Tampa when we're trying to get the run game going. Todd so multiple, Coach Bowles is so multiple on defense where you're saying, Hey, Todd, we might have to have a couple of periods where we're just static here, where we can just go block people that are staying put. So we can get good at blocking a double and a B and a single and a deuce. If we don't get those blocks in practice, how are we supposed to get good at them in the game? And the guys that can really adapt and see it from both lenses, those are probably usually the most successful ones.

Is Todd Bulls addicted to blitzing?

Dude, I felt like it was just a barrage in training camp. But you He don't know where it's coming from. He really don't. He's so multiple that way. I've never seen somebody in the second half of games adjust in 10 minutes. We all know what halftime adjustments got. You're getting the stuff you hadn't called in the first half or things that are working, how do you now dress it up to go do it differently? Todd Bulls had an ability in second half of games to take what they were doing and almost be like, We're going to do this, and completely shut people down. I had never really seen that before. He ran the entire show. It was pretty cool to see. Yeah.

What do you say to the haters that say Mike Evans getting that thousand yards was cheap?

I know. That was one of the coolest moments I've ever been a part of. I liked it, really.

What do you mean? I think at the time, I liked it for Mike Evans a lot. I give him all the credit in the world. I didn't like it from the Saints because it was like, you're supposed to hate the box. Why are you going to let him do that?

They weren't letting it happen. They didn't let it happen.

You don't think so? Not at all. So what happened on that play?

We got him open, and he made a play. Okay.

Like that. That's confidence.

Dude, we ran the same exact play in the red zone, the prior play when Bucky, Baker flips it to Bucky. We had had that play called, but Baker checked out of it because he thought he was getting zero blitz. So he checked out of that exact play, we ran something else. It wasn't open. Mike wasn't open. He ends up scrambling, flipping it to Bucky. Bucky just innately gets in the end zone, and everybody's like, Oh, my God, what did we just do? We just ruined this for him. And And so when we got the ball back, we went back to that same play that we wanted to call down there and obviously didn't check out a bit. They weren't letting that happen.

You don't think it was?

Not at all. Ask their coaches. I've talked to their coaches. There was no shot they were letting that happen.

I will retract my take on the same. It was the coolest moment. It was never an anti-box because Mike Evans is a stud, and he's been a stud, and he gets all the- See the reaction of those players, man?

It was awesome. It was the coolest moment of the year, hands down.

Do you want to say anything to people who maybe drafted Rashaad White too early in the fantasy draft, then you were like, No, Bucky Irving is just going to get all the touches.

No, man. I gained such a different respect for Rashaad after this year. When you go through it and see what he brings from a pass protection standpoint, there's probably not a lot of backs in the NFL better than him, and that goes so unnoticed, and he can still do it in terms of making people miss in the screen game. No, Bucky's just a dog. That dude is in the building at 5: 00 AM every single day hanging out with Tom Moore, 87-year-old Tom Moore and Bucky Irving, one of the youngest players on our roster, hung out every single morning. Dude's a stud.

All right, we're going to do something very awkward. Just so you know, we have your side. We're defending you. The weirdest guy we got in our company is Diehard Bucks fan, Stephen Chey over there. His blog was posted, New Jaguars head coach, Liam Cohen is the biggest snake in football today. Brutal. Brutal. Now, I told Steven he can ask you a question, but he has to do something first. Okay. Stephen, One more time. No, you have to say the thing I said first. He also called you a ladder climber, which I think that's every coach ever is trying to get a new job and get a better job.

It sounds like he wanted to be a head coach one day.

We defend Why did you? Because it's like, yeah, if someone offers you this and then the other offers that to change your life and your family's life. Steven, what would you like to say first about yourself?

About myself? Yeah. I mean, I have a lot of questions.

No, but you can't ask Coach Cohn, a question until you admit to something.

Sure. I mean, my feelings were hurt when you left.

We had this long debate in our gambling cave in our office, and the whole time I was like, Dude, your feelings are hurt. He's like, No, they're not. I was like, Yes, they are. And your feelings were hurt.

Yeah. I mean, I have a lot of questions for you. Number one, how dare you?

Dude. My bad.

Go ahead. Yeah. I mean, it was a We come off the... And you were a hot name in the head coaching circles, and you were asked about it, I think, towards the end of the rig. I'll sit to your press conference every week. Very great, very informative. And I was a card-carrying member. I was a conehead, for sure.

That's cool, man. I appreciate that.

I love what you did with the backfield, the run game, the 21 Pony stuff. Integrating Rashaad is the best path-blocking running back in the game. And then Bucky was great. But then, yeah, that week we got a very salty loss to PFT's commanders at home, which in my mind, we win that game. I think we're going to beat the Eagles.

We played really well against them the first time, too. Do you have a question?

That was frustrating. Is there a question?

You're just talking about your feelings. No, I appreciate it. I appreciate what he said.

But if you could go back in time, how does that week change? Because you interview there Monday, and then Tuesday?

I interviewed on Zoom Wednesday, and I never got in person. Never was able to get in person until after I ended up going there. Yes, after that. Yes. But Ultimately, it came down to new information. New information became available. That's called money, Steven. When you're going to buy a house and you figure out it's either not as good or better than you thought. And some of the people that ultimately have helped me throughout this journey, you said, at the end of the day, you're allowed to change your mind. That's life.

That's what you said that at the time.

It was the most Outrenching week of my life. It was. That's genuine. You sound like a lot of my boys that lived in my neighborhood that were diehard fans. They were pissed at me. Feelings hurt. Yeah, they were pissed, but they're cool now. We're good. And At the end of the day, with the guys, the boys, and their FaceTime, maybe from the Bahamas, all excited. I just go hug Todd Bowles and those guys. It's all good. It's all good. It's all good. It's all good. It's all good.

It's okay that you have feelings. We all have feelings, Chad. Sure.

We respect that, though. I do. He's a fan.

Do you know that you're about to receive a real big dish of revenge, though, preseason week?

Yeah, we're going to whip your ass in mid-august.

Preseason week what?

It's not out yet.

Okay. We play the Jaguars every hour.

He has it circled. Yeah, I got you.

He was like, They're going to get... William Cohen is going to get all of our wrap in the preseason.

We don't play them until '27.

All of our threes are going to go play.

You better hope that's not week two.

Because Todd Bulls is coming.

We got to put a countdown clock in the office for you. At the end of the day, it's entertainment, right?

As much as it is, I grew up a Patriots fan. Diehard. Diehard. So I get it, man. I understand.

So since you grew up a Patriots fan, was Miles Jack down in the AFC Championship game? Jaguars Pats?

Dude. Yeah. You think he was down? I watched that game live. He was dealing. They were running the ball really well. No, dude. That shouldn't have been called down. I'm all Jag. I'm going Jag. Good answer.

Jag should have been in the Super Bowl.

There's loyalties now. All right.

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I do. Again, the best thing that happened was he got his feelings so hurt that we had to go the total opposite side and defend you to the death.

I appreciate that, man. Because he's so annoying that we're like, this is such a bad opinion. We're just going to go the other way. So he actually helped you out.

Yeah, I appreciate that, man.

Well,fandam as week of.

I have a question for you. Would you rather have your job or would you have a better job and $10 million?

I don't think there is a better job than this job.

What about if the Bucks wanted to hire you?

I know.

Liar.

The Bucs offered you $10 million tomorrow. I would be hurting the team.

Okay.

That's fair. You know what? That's an honest opinion. That's a good answer. That's a really good answer, dude. That was a great deflection.

Okay.

That was a phenomenal deflection. It was.

So I'm representing the Bucks community here. I'm not going to go... What happened has happened. But talk to the Bucks fans about Grids, Josh Rizard, who's the new Oasis, who was in control of Obersault third downs.

I've known Chris for a while, man. Met him here. I met him here five, six years ago. He's a Yale dude, but he's a bro. He's a guy that he connects with so He's a really different dudes. He can connect. He's smart. He's so smart. He dialed up all of our third downs. He did so much of the red zone, all the past game. He can see it from an all-11 perspective, both in the run and the pass. He's going to be a really good for us. For you guys, he will. I promise you that.

I do have one Jag's question, if I could. Yeah. James Gladstone, GM. He's 34. Yeah. That's very... You're 39. Yeah. You guys changing the game?

How old was Theo Epstein when he took a Red Sox job?

He's pretty young.

28.

Sean McVay won a Super Bowl when he was pretty young.

It doesn't matter. No, what's cool is he grew up on the sidelines. His dad was a coach. He grew up on sidelines in the locker rooms. So we share that vision. I think that's what's cool about it is we're coaches kids. We have a chip on our shoulder. We want to prove it. We want to go do it. We've learned from pretty darn good people, and now it's an opportunity to go do it. Yeah, love it.

Well, Good job, Che. Thank you. Good job, Che. Hopefully, we can close this book. Yes. All right. Good.

Although, preseason is still back on. We like the shoes, too.

Yes. Preseason is on. Both Jordan guys.

He's back on. Yeah. So thank you, Coach, for joining us. So just so you know, you legally just got at least 10 weeks of losing football where we'll still defend you. That's the Nathaniel Hackett rule that we have implemented. Hopefully, that doesn't happen. Hopefully, you just hit the ground running.

But if you forget how to use timeouts on Monday football week one, we'll say, we'll We got to give this guy time.

You come on the show, we give you a little grace period. But hopefully, you hit the ground running, and hopefully, you kick the fucking shit out of the box in the preseason. Oh, man.

We're going to run it up on you.

That'd be great.

It's coming. I'm on game of the year, that.

Seriously, we're going to do a watch party for that.

You think Bate is going to point at me.

Well, thank you so much.

Best of luck this season. Thanks, guys.

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Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest.

It is Captain America.

Can I call you Captain America?

Sure. Okay.

It's Captain America. It's braided Kachuk from the Ottawa Senators. Yeah, you're Captain America now. I think it's official. I think you have to be Captain America.

Is that okay?

I'll take it, but I would love to know the reason.

Well, I mean, you fight, you score goals, you put the team on your back for Four Nations.

Let me start I'll say this. How weird was it playing for Team USA and then immediately going back to Ottawa and being like, all these people in this arena hated my guts for the last two weeks, and now they're back to being fans of me?

It was weird. It was It was just a whole... I'm like, I just got booed in Montreal, which is expected. Then in Boston, they don't like Matthew and I in Boston. To get cheered on and supported there, I was like, Okay, this is pretty awesome. Then come back I actually missed the first two games in Ottawa, but I just would see Twitter. Everybody would be like, It's so weird cheering against them, but I have to. I'm here for Canada. But now it's nice to get them back on my side.

Are they still bullying the National Anthem?

They are, What the fuck?

Well, I think you should just remind them. You're an All-Star finalist. It was the All-Star game. Yeah, it was an All-Star game. That's what we said the second that we lost. We were just like, Oh, we don't care about the All-Star game. Yeah.

That's exhibition.

You agree, right? That was just the All-Star break.

I don't know if I can get it. That term meant a lot.

It is weird, though, because you mentioned it, but you and Austin Matthews, especially, you go to Boston, and now all of a sudden that Boston crowd is cheering for you. Was that a little bit surreal to be in that arena? I I mean, obviously, you played in Boston before, but to have them support guys that they normally just boo the shit out of, was that strange?

Yeah, it was really strange. Honestly, it put a smile on my face. I was trying to hide it, but when they're announcing the lineup for the final and I just heard the crowd. I felt really patriotic and representing the US. It was a pretty cool feeling that I was trying to be all serious, but it put a smile on my face. Yeah, that's awesome.

I mean, the Olympics next year going to be incredible.

You got to be juiced up for that just off of this Four Nations thing.

I can't wait. I think it was the perfect thing to set up for the Olympics and gaining all these hockey fans. I know they're going to do a good job of building it up and hyping it up, but I really do feel good about our team, too, going into it.

You got a little mark on your face. Is that from Tom Wilson? Tom Wilson, knuckle, next to the mouth.

You got a fight and scored a goal.

Yeah, respect. That was a good fight. Good scrap against Tom. He's a big dude. We like to ask all the NHL players that come on the show, what do you say to another guy when you're about to... How do you instigate the fight?

Last night, I don't even think I got a word out. It was just more like a head nod. It was like one of those connections. I don't know. It's hard to explain. Not many words needed to be said. It was just like we both knew it was happening. I love that. Usually, it's like, You want one? Or when you're really pissed off, you just grab them. We're Man, not even give him an option. But it was weird last night. I don't even think a word was said. It's just like, All right, we're going.

I love that. It's almost like a romance for hockey guys. You just look each other in the eye and you know it's on. Time to lean into this. I noticed that you had a nice little take down at the end, that's a good strategy to have. If you're in a fight, it's been going for a while, train some heavy blows, just try to land on top of the other guy, and then it's almost like you won the fight.

Yeah. This is usually the non-hockey fans that see that, Oh, he won just because he finished on top. But I don't know, he hit me with some good ones, and he's a big boy.

Did you wake up feeling it this morning? A little bit. Because you had to fly like late, late night.

Yeah, I'm a little sore today, but good that we have a day off. Yeah.

Do you ever turn down fights? Because I would imagine there's some fights where you're like, I'm going to beat this guy up, or if he gets a lucky one, I'm going to look like a loser.

Why would I fight this guy?

Yeah, I think now. I'm used to if somebody says something, then it would be automatic just because I wanted to prove myself and all this. But now I want to go out there and help the team. I'm at a point now where I need to be out there and help the team. But last night, we're down to nothing and try to create a spark for our team going into the second period. Things like that, especially Tom, a guy who's, I don't think they win 2018 if it's not for him. He's an unbelievable player.

You guys are I'm learned that you're both very, very skilled hockey players, but also very capable of handling yourselves in a fight. That feels like a new type of player, whereas back in the day, it was mostly like you have a goon and his job is to go out there. You're Paul Bissenets in the world. You're going to step on the ice and you're going to fight somebody Then you're going to go waddle to the penalty box. Nice day at the office. But now it's like, guys like you and Tom Wilson are so valuable. But now that you're going into the playoff stretch where you have to be around, you have to designate somebody else. Be like, I want to fight this guy, but I can't. Can you do that Yeah.

Well, I try not to do that, especially to a teammate, be like, Hey, you're going to have to fight this guy. If it happens that it's got to be me, I'm fine with it, and I'm not too worried about it. But Fights don't happen as often anymore. It's just going away. But I think it is still important to almost keep everything in check and have that accountability and responsibility that can't just go after the best players and not I have to answer the bell. I'm glad that hockey is still important, but just doesn't happen as often as it used to with business. You just go in toe to toe with guys every single game. That just doesn't happen anymore.

You did say something there, though, like firing up the boys. I do think that one thing that's happened in all of sports is analytics has taken over numbers, and the human element is no longer there as much. I love a good old-fashioned meatball take where it's like, Oh, the coach has to get kicked out or a guy has to fight. Can you feel the momentum after a good fight, being like everyone wakes up a little bit?

I know for me, even I know, for example, when Matthew fought first, I've never felt more fired up in my life that I was like, no matter what, I'm going. I have to because I can't have this pent up, just like, aggression. I'm like, I got to get this out somehow because I was so fired up. But yeah, no, I feel in fights, when it's somebody else, it gets me so fired up. I'm like, All right, here we go. That's exactly what we needed.

Is it a little weird that you can beat up your big brother?

Well, all the abuse I took as a kid, I'm happy.

Because you were telling me before off camera that you could beat the fuck out of him.

Oh, yeah.

I'll say it, and he'll see it and be like, Yeah, he can't.

Oh, so he knows. Yeah. Oh, he knows.

Yeah. But he's just so good at chirping that he can definitely get out of my skin. That's where he's got me. He's like, I'll never catch up.

You know what else gets the boys fired up? Free Bird. Have you grown to love that song?

I still listen to it. It just brings me back to how awesome it was. Even after we listened to dream on. This is the end of miracle, and we just wanted to implement it. That still fires me up. It was such a special, awesome experience that I miss it. I miss playing with those guys. It was so cool, but it definitely sets for next year.

It does. The Four Nations was awesome. I think it's going to generate a lot of interest in hockey, especially as the playoffs get closer in the NHL. I feel like the rating should be up across the board for that. Now you're like, Are you the face of hockey?

I don't think so. Not in America? There's just so many guys like that. I don't know. I don't think so. I think there's so many good players that represent our league so well.

Tell me last year, so obviously, your brother wins the Stanley Cup, but before that happens, your dad called out the entire Panthers team and basically called them all pussies. What was the group chat like with your dad and your brother after that?

Because he even said, he was like, I'd rather watch braided and the senators, they actually play with grit and they're real men, and the Panthers are soft. But did that make you feel good? What was the conversation after that?

I actually love how you brought that up because he's considering himself to be GM of the Year when that happened. He He won them the cup. That's when he was like, I just changed his team all around.

Yeah, he did.

But did you guys joke about it afterwards?

It was after we played them and we won. I think he was fired up. Matthew was fired up. But Matheo He didn't know about it. I think the next morning, I think I just saw a, really, dad, you just put me in a terrible spot. Because now guys in the meal room is like, Is he talking about me? Is he talking about Matthew? He's just like, fuck.

That's good old-fashioned pitting the brothers against each other.

One's tough, one's not. But I was like, I was loving it. I was like, That was hilarious. He just keeps that. He's like, I might give it to your team. Yeah, I know. That guarantees a cup final, then a cup.

Go ahead, do it. That's the problem with it is you know that someday he's going to try to do... He's going to play that again against you.

Then he's going to hopefully win GM of the Year again, according to himself.

I think if he calls it, you got to fight him. You ever fought your dad?

No, I have not. I was I think he'd be too tough to handle if we put the boxing gloves on.

Old man's strength.

Old man's strength. He'd throw, and he's got some powerful ones.

Coming from a hockey family, and your hockey family, your hockey tree extends all across the NHL with all the guys that you're related to in various ways. But from that hockey family, were you told very early on the importance of the unwritten rules of hockey?

I don't know if the unwritten Because I remember you enforced one last year.

Empty Netter. Oh, yeah. The Empty Netter after the clock expired. I think it was like two seconds afterwards, they dumped it in, and you were the first guy to be like, Hey, fuck you. You don't do that.

Yeah. It's actually... Yeah, because obviously we lost and the siren went off, but I don't think he heard it because the rink was buzzing. I was like, Perfect. This is going to be like... I saw him put it on. I'm like, I'm going up and we'll see if a line all happens or something. I don't know. It's something to get everybody excited about. But with saying that earlier that year, a teammate of mine, I don't know if you saw this with the slap shot in the empty net. Yeah. I got the opposite of it because I loved what he did. The slap shot, an unwritten rule. I'm like, Oh, when it's on my side, that's great. Do it anytime. But when it's against us, I'm like, I'm going to get that.

Can't have it to me. When you were growing up, was it always you were going to be in the NHL? That was the one thing that you knew?

Yeah, it was always hockey. I mean, I played other sports, loved playing other sports, but at the end of the day, it was always hockey. Honestly, I never thought the NHL could be a reality until I was 16, 17, where I was playing in Ann Arbor at the US National Team for the U17, U18 year. That's when more teams are coming around scouting and guys are getting drafted before you and you're like, Okay, in comparison, where do I need to get at to get I want to go as high as possible. Started to think about that when I got there. Then it became a reality when I was 17 and going to go to college and then get drafted from college.

Yeah. There was never a moment, even when you were 12 or 13, where you were rebellious, I'm not playing in the NHL dead.

Don't make me do this.

I think he would just shred me after one game. I'm done playing hockey. I don't want to get yelled at.

No, you're a k'chuck.

That's what we do.

Then my mom would be like, No, it's okay, sweetie. You played great. You worked hard. It's just, Your dad's tough on you because he expects a lot out of you. Then she'd always calm us down. I'm like, I'm going to be a player in roller hockey next week. It was never really a hockey. It was never going to be quit on.

Yeah, you were never going to be like, I like to be an accountant. Yeah.

You know what? I just want to go to the business. Who's the funniest guy on your team? Thomas Shabbat. Okay. He's just nonstop.

Because I feel like every hockey locker room has one of those guys who's just a total electric personality and a glue guy.

Does that be fair?

He's never had a bad day in his life. He is such a positive, just an everybody. Everybody is getting it. He's not just picking a couple of guys. He sees somebody and somebody's getting it. Yeah.

And Barstool will hire him in a couple of years.

Yeah, probably. And he's the biggest fan of you guys. He'll be so fired up.

It's perfect. Hockey guys for some... I don't know what it is, but I feel like I've never met hockey guy who wasn't funny in some way. You know what I mean? Whether it be dry humor or outwardly funny, it feels like a hockey locker room is unlike any other sport.

It's the best part of the day. Just going there and just shooting the shit and just hanging out. I mean, there's just nothing better.

All right, so, Thomas, you got to come on the show.

They love the boys more than anything. That's one thing. It's like, oh, yeah. Always for the boys.

Always for the boys. Always for the boys. The dinners, the nights out, just they're hilarious.

They'll walk into a room and they'll see one guy and they'll be like, What's up, boys?

What's up?

Everybody's boys.

Boys, beauty, legend.

Is the Vegas flu real? Have you been hit by the Vegas flu at any point?

This actually came up the other day. My dad, I feel like we're bringing him up a lot, went to his analytic guys because he works Scout in St. Louis. He's like, Just do me a favor. Can you look up braided and Matthew's stats when they play Vegas in their own cities versus them in Vegas? It's not like we're going out and doing all this crazy stuff. We're just hanging and chilling. Our stats in Vegas are absolutely awful. We've played there. I would love to see 18 games, I think, combined. We both have two goals and one assist in 18 games. But at home, it's a different story.

That should be illegal that your dad's using the analytics Department of the Blues against you.

I think it was just a family thing. I don't want him getting in any trouble, but No, that's some of the stuff that he's like, You know what? I've thought about it. You guys have played like shit in Vegas. I got to see some stats.

Yeah. Wait, so did he send you all the stats?

Oh, he sent to the Matthew and I group chat. It was like a long chat of just the caps in Vegas and back home.

Oh, that's incredible.

It's awesome. You got cameras following you around that, right?

Yeah, not every day. I think they came twice for the Amazon series. Oh, nice. It's been really cool. It's new, but I grew up watching the 24/7s and seeing that and how cool that was. But it'll be cool to see them this ride and into playoffs.

Are you able to say, Cut that? Because we have cameras here all the time. At some point, it's like, Dude, I need a second without a camera in my face.

Well, they came, I think, in January for four days, and then I saw them twice over Four Nation. That's all we've filmed so far. I'm hoping as this playoff race picks up that I'll catch more of that and into playoff. I think there's going to be some good footage.

You recently became a father. Was it nine months ago, six months ago?

He's five and a half.

Oh, shit.

I'm way off. He's on my birthday.

Oh, fuck. I'm way off. Five and a half. All right, so is he good at hockey yet?

We're trying to...

When did he first get on skates?

No, this is five and a half months.

Five and a half months, all right. That's right. All right, so I was right. So I was right. I was like, What shit did I fuck that up? Five and a half months. Five and a half months.

All right. We've tried putting a hockey stick in his head.

When does that happen? When is the first... What actual age is like, All right, it's time for you to do the family business, get on the ice?

I mean, we started skating at two. We already have his hockey skates. It was a gift that somebody gave us. He's like, Here's the skates when he's ready. But we got that all dialed in. We'll have to see, hopefully, two. I love that.

Is that when you started?

Yeah, I think Anthony and I both started skating at two, respectively. I don't know. That'd be nice.

That's such a crazy thing because you can barely walk when you're two. Oh, yeah.

Just holding them along. I'm more than happy to do that.

Because I bought my son's skates. He's five and a half years old, and I bought him skates.

I was like, I already missed. Not that he was ever going to go to the NHL, but he's already way behind. He's not playing hockey. It's way too late, five and a half years old.

A lot of guys have started skating later. They They end up in the NHL. Okay. My son's not going to the NHL.

No offense.

No offense. How are we feeling about the team this year?

I'm very confident in our team. I think just we're a tough team to handle for seven-game series, so we just got to get there. But no, I think all stars are aligning for this year and just find a way to get in, and I think we can do some damage.

This late this season, is this the grind? Obviously, you would get a nice little energy boost for the playoffs, but right now, I feel like this is the time of year where everyone's banged up. It's been long. You barely got a break at all. Is this a part of the year where you just going day to day? Got to get through this.

I think it's more of a mental grind now. I think November I think two Four Nation break was the physical grind of just every day just grinding away and setting yourself up for this time of the year. But I think it's mentally just... I think you can look at it. It's a little stressful this time of the year, and I think it's okay to be a little nervous and have the nerves. I think it's a good thing. But I think it's... Playoffs for us started a couple of games ago where every game is almost a must win. Just to get ourselves to April that we need to just stick around. Every team around us is doing well. Just stick around and hopefully can rattle off a couple of game win streak and put ourselves in a good spot. But no, it's a fun type of year. Like I said, this is my experience in this playoff race feeling, and it's been the best feeling to just grind it out every single day.

Yeah, playoffs already started. That's a good trick.

Have you thought about what it would be like if you brought the Stanley Cup back to Canada?

I think about it all the time. Yeah, maybe I think about it too much, but I feel like I have my whole day planned when we win.

Yeah, it'd be Captain Canada at that point.

Wait, did you celebrate with your brother when he had his day with the Cup?

Yes, I went back to St. Louis for his day. He actually had it for a day and a half, and it was really awesome to see what we were able to do with it. I was there the night they won. I was around it and just to see the happiness that it brought. It was motivation.

Did you touch the cup?

No.

All right. No. Good.

Did he try to trick you into touching it? No.

You know what? I didn't expect it. He was very respectful. I thought he'd for sure just be rubbing it in my face, but he actually was was very nice about it.

Yeah, that's good. I definitely would have tried to trick you into touching it. Oh, 100%.

Yeah, 100%.

I would have put it in your bed. I would have given you some ambiant and then put it in your bed next to you.

Taking the pictures of you? Yeah. Looking at him touching the cup.

I got a bone to pick with you. You said you were watching miracle before some of the games. I feel like USA Hockey, we're not the underdogs like that anymore.

You got to start watching Dream Team 92 stuff and have the perspective change of, We're not the plucky underdogs. We're Team USA. We can win this Yeah.

No, you're right. I think it was more the patriotic feeling. Mike Ruziani came and talked to us right before the tournament started and just to watch him, Rob McClane, because those two guys came to our dinner, and then we were hearing stories of Mike after the fact and how basically he left his hockey bag in Lake Placet and never played again. Just to hear that, he went from gold medal to know what he's doing now and just amazing life that he's given him and his family. But we just had to watch it, get that childhood.

All right, maybe for Olympics, we do like Armageddon or like a Rocky movie.

We love that. That would be good.

Get you pumped up that way.

Yeah, Rocky would be solid. Yeah. I like tricking yourself into thinking that you're underdogs, though. That works a lot like the Patriots did that for years. Where Belichek's like, Nobody believes you. Nick Saban does that, or he did that at Alabama. He's like, Nobody thinks you can win. It's like, Well, you have the number one recruiting class. Everyone thinks you can win. Everyone thinks you can win. Everyone thinks you can win. Yeah. Yeah, everyone. Just put that chip on your shoulder. You can get it. Not specifically for Vegas, but is there any other place that you play that's just harder to score goals in? In college basketball, some places are way harder to score in. Does that carry over to hockey at all?

Oh, yeah. It's a spot that I haven't scored is Chicago. Right here.

Okay.

Maybe tonight. Yeah. Tomorrow. Tomorrow. Yeah.

It's tonight when people are listening.

We'll see. I haven't scored here, and this is a tough building to score.

What about the ice? What rink has the worst ice?

Also Calgary's ice, I feel like it's so shiny.

Is that- Yeah.

They have three-team skate on it, so their ice actually takes a good beating. I mean, all those warm places. It gets soupy? Yeah, just snowy, quick, and soft. I never really realized it, but guys always tell me that. I'm just extra slow today. That's what I'm thinking. I'm dragging a piano behind you all the game today, but probably like Tampa. Probably just it's hard to keep the ice all dialed in when it's so beautiful and so warm there.

Zamboni drivers in Canada are probably better. They've probably been driving those things since they were kids.

When they're not doing it, they're doing it to the outdoor rinks.

Yeah. It's buzzing.

We have a debate with Whit, and he loses his debate every time we do it.

But have you ever thought about not coming off the ice?

If you're so good, just staying on the ice, playing the whole game.

Like, Patrick Mahomes never takes off a snap.

I couldn't do it cardio-wise. Even 30 seconds, I'm tipping. I'm like, Oh, my God, I got to get off.

I can't be doing that.

So 30 seconds is when you're like- Oh, yeah.

On a good day, 30 seconds hard. I'm like, All right, I'm done. I got to get off.

What When you have a... What's the longest shift? Do you remember the longest shift?

I actually had a three and a half minute shift one time.

How much did that fuck you off for a while?

After the game, I was exhausted. It was like the extra... I was the sixth man, and I just refused to get off because I thought I was like, All right, I'm going to be the hero tonight. It did not happen. It was a little too long of a shift that I got into some trouble the next day.

Yeah, Wick gets mad at us whenever we do that debate.

I wouldn't step off the ice. Yeah, I would never come off. I care that much about the game. Yeah.

Like, LeBron plays 44 minutes.

Travis Hunter plays 110 snaps a game.

Yeah, which is very impressive. Right. That's very impressive. Yeah, Heisman. I just don't think he could play a full game like with the speed that it's at.

Lebron probably could. Yeah, and he gained weight while he did it. What if you did... Overtime should just be no shift changes.

Yeah. To see who came last. That was last night. I was out there for a minute and a half. I might be out here for five hours. This is what might happen. Thank God it wasn't tough.

When does it officially... You said playoff's already started because you guys are in the playoff race.

When does it officially become like we're putting all of our bodies in front of the pucks and don't care at all?

Because I do love that shift in hockey when you get to actual playoffs and guys are like, Fuck it, I'm selling out on everything.

I mean, that day is definitely coming. It's coming very soon and just Will that be a talk in the locker room being like, Boys, it's time.

Everyone's on the... Do whatever you got to do.

Eventually, it's going to be like, This is game seven. Of course, it's going to be sometime this month, but this is the game that we need to win. Can't look at the future games. Right now, we need this one.

Yeah, that's got to be a little bit of a pit in your stomach being like, Fuck, I'm just going to get buried with some pucks.

I'm just going to run around and have 12 hits tonight.

When you get hit with a puck in between the skate and down on your leg, is that the worst place to get hit?

I don't block too many shots, but the ankle's tough. I think right here. The knee inside the knee. I've had that before. It just It makes you feel like you broke your knee. You just can't move.

In terms of... I feel like all goalies are psychos. How psycho is your goalie? Do you talk to him before the game at all?

Yeah, he's very loose. But I've had goalies where it's not a word. He's just in his own world, you don't say a word to him, but he's great in that aspect where it's just chill. He's throwing the football around before the game. I think it's hilarious. He's got the wide receiver gloves It's like our strength guy throwing you the ball. It's not too hard, but protect the pause at all times. But no, he's good. But once the game gets going, then he locks it.

Yeah, because goalies, it feels like that's one of the positions in sports where it's just true psychos.

You can't play that position unless you got a little bit of something wrong with you.

It's psychos, and I think they could all say it. It's a little weird. They're all, not all weird, but all have some different thing that they got going on.

Yeah, right. You're just getting peppered with 100-mile-an-hour slap shots.

I put the pads on every Christmas party for the kids. I put the goalie gear on. I think it's the best thing in the world. But then I'll have some of the guys shoot on me. I'm like, Oh, my. They hurt. You have all that padding, but it still hurts. Right.

But that's the most insane thing to me about hockey is until what? Maybe 50 years ago, 40 years ago, goalies didn't all wear masks. That's crazy. How insane is that?

Just absolutely nuts. Even guys He's like, What? 20 years ago didn't wear helmets. I'm like, How are you playing this game with no helmets? I'm wearing a visor, and then you have Jamie, Ben, Ryan O'Reilly. They don't have a visor still. I'm like, How are you not worried about your eyes?

Yeah, that It was crazy, although the flow did look awesome.

Yeah, flow looked good. You get a couple of nice scars, not bad scars, but a couple of scars on your face. Then everyone sees you for the rest of your life. You're like, That guy played hockey.

Who was it? There was one guy who got grandfathered in, and he was the last guy not wearing a helmet.

I can't remember who was. Greg McTavish?

Yeah, he was just like, you just watch a game. He was like, what? He doesn't have a helmet? Oh, yeah, he's grandfathered in.

He doesn't have to do it. The best part is warmup, so where you can go no bucket and warm up. That's exciting.

Yeah. I love that.

Get the hot helmet and no bucket. Oh, Yeah, this is a very important question for you.

How much chicken parm do you eat in a normal, I guess we'll go with a month.

I have it every game day. Every game day? Every game day I have chicken parm.

You had that for an early lunch?

Yeah. Yeah. I'll have an early lunch around 11: 30, then take a nap and be ready for the game at 7: 00. I have a lot of chicken parm.

Does everyone eat chicken parm?

It's a great meal. Yeah, it is a great meal. A lot of guys have that, but more pasta or with the chicken parm. I don't have pasta with mine. Just chicken parm? Just chicken parm. Just go straight meat.

Stay light. Have you had chicken parm? You're like, That's a good chicken parm. I'm going to play well tonight.

Oh, yeah. Whenever I go to a hotel, I'm like, I know it's a bad... Over the years, I know it's a shitty chicken parm. Just puts me in a bad mood. I'm just like, I'm going to have a bad nap. I'm going to have a bad start to the game. Got to find a way.

Sounds like another analytics home work for your dad. Figure out the best chicken parm cities and how are you playing them.

What are the best chicken parm cities?

Dc was good yesterday.

Yeah, they've got a good one.

You got to do a review chicken parm around the country.

Every hotel just I would have to reveal. Montreal has got good chicken parms.

But also I feel like if the chicken parm is too good, that could be bad, too, right?

I'll crush as many. It might be a little heavy that night, but I can't turn down a chicken parm.

Describe your ideal plate set up chicken parm?

Well, a perfect chicken parm in my book? Yeah. I'm not too big a cheese on it, but a thin chicken parm, almost like a chicken côtlet and just a lot of sauce, put a little olive oil on it. That's exactly what I want.

What about the pasta? What type of pasta do you like with it?

I usually don't have pasta with chicken parm.

So just the chicken parm?

Yeah, chicken parm with sweet potato.

Okay. That's a very healthy way to go about it. I would load up on the pasta.

No, I don't. I did that and I blew up pretty quick. So I'm like, Oh, my God. I got to take the pasta out of my... I can't be gaining this much weight during the season.

Back to the Four Nations real quick.

I had one last question about it.

The fight, obviously, in the round play with Canada to start the game, three fights in nine seconds. You guys planned that all out beforehand, right?

Did you know who you were fighting and you were just like, No bad blood, we're just going to have to do it.

Yeah. It happened where we were talking about it before and we're like, let's unite our team. We're in Montreal. We're the villains. There's only 20 of us that we have just, Let's just stick together. And that was a way to go about that is to show that we're united. Then it happens that before the game, they give our starting lineups, and we're the away team, so we sent in ours first. Then they sent it, and they circled on the board at, We're going on two minutes, four minutes. Then Matthew looks at me. He's like, The guy he's fighting, he's like, He's starting. He's like, All right, I'm first shift. I'm going him. Then after, I'm going to grab Benny off the bench, which is his teammate in Florida, and be like, You're coming out, We're going next. Then Melzie talked to Pareco in warmups. He's like, We're going. They had it all.

I love it talking beforehand.

Like, Hey, just so you know, we're fighting. Yeah, right away.

Then Matthew fought. I Just think. Then me and Milsey almost had an argument about who was going next. He's like, Let me go second. Then he was asking the defenseman, Praco, out there, and he's like, We're going. He looks at me. He's like, I'm not going. I'm like, What do you mean? You're not going. Then I'm saying to Milsey, I'm like, He's not going. Let me go him right away. Then we were just arguing. I'm like, I'm going him. Then we did. Then the next whistle, then Milsey got his-That's awesome.

It was great. It was so awesome. Was there any talk about doing that again for the finals?

No, there wasn't much of that. Once you got to the finals, it was just all about trying to win. I know people probably would have liked that again, but I think at that point where if it happened organically, if they wanted to go again, but I think it was just all right from the start, just trying to get it done and just one shot away.

We watched the game with a Canadian, Oldie, and he is the definition of a beauty. He was talking shit to us the entire game just about how bad the ice is in America because he drives the Zamboni up in Canada. He's like, That's bad ice, bad job by the Zamboni guy. Have you seen Oldie? Have you seen this guy? Nash's buddy?

No, I think I saw a clip, right? Because was it Yans? Yeah. Yeah, I remember I saw a clip that he set it up, right? Yeah. No, I didn't watch the full video.

Because we're ready to go at him. We're like, You want to go? You want to go older? He didn't want it.

I'll show you his side pouches after.

It's probably the most insane thing I've ever seen in my life. I'll send it to you. The boys will get a good laugh out of it.

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Are you worried that you're never going to win a PGA Championship because you drink out of Brooks' PGA Championship trophy? Because that's out now.

Yeah, that's out. But I'm happy that it's out.

What was it like? Brooks is a good friend of ours.

He looked like he was having a great time that night. Was it fun hanging out with him?

Yeah, because I was told that he was there. I was like, I'll just go and say hi and introduce myself. All of a sudden, I walk in and I get handed it. He's like, What do you want? What do you want in it. I was like, I guess I'll just take a beer. Then puts it in front of me and I looked down. I'm like, All right, well, I'm going to have to chug this. I can't just have a couple sips. You can't sip it. I'm like, All right, I got to show him a beauty.

But no, it was good.

I like the inner monolog of like, This guy's going to think I'm not a beauty. I got to fucking do it.

I got to one touch this. Then we met up after the game and had more drinks out of it. It was the last.

He was locked in that game. I think that was the night laser focus.

I think that was the night you bet Josh Allen to win MVP.

He did bet Josh Allen to win MVP that night, and he was so focused on the game. He's just staring at the game. He's like, I can't even like it. I'll miss something going on here.

He's the best.

He's the man.

All right, well, braided, thanks so much. Are you going to get in a fight tonight? Because like I said, I'm taking my son to the game, so I could point out and be like, See that guy right there?

He's a tough motherfucker. He's going to fight.

Yeah, we'll have to see.

All right, maybe a goal.

A goal would work, too. Black Hawks are bad.

They need to keep getting good.

They had a big win, though. Yeah, they did. Big win. So it'll be a tough one.

I had one last thing, actually. I forgot to ask you this. Your teammate, Shane Pinto, he was asked about you, and they said, What's the most K'Chuck thing about braided K'Chuck? He said, You mean what's the rattiest thing about him? Was that a compliment?

Pence. Oh, Pence. I'll take it as a comment. I'll let him know, though.

The way that he explained it, he said that you stir the pot But off the ice, you're super nice. But then once the game starts, you switch into a different mode, like ratty k'chuck. Do you actually feel that? Like, Puck, drop, your personality changes? Yeah.

No, I feel I don't even know when the switch happens, but I definitely feel like I turn into a completely different person. It's fun, though.

It is fun. We like that person on the ice. Yeah.

Can't be bringing that home, though. Can't be bringing the rattyness back home. No.

Just We're just waiting to have it.

All right. Well, braided, thank you so much, Captain America. Good luck the rest of the year. Get in the playoffs and appreciate you stopping by, man.

Awesome. Thank you guys for having me. That was a lot of fun. Good luck, man. Good luck, man.

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Hey.

First, if you had to make a pickup basketball starting five of guests on the show, excluding all professional athletes, former and current, who would be on the team? Also, can we get a 999 challenge in the cave for opening day?

I think I would go Rosillo.

Rosillo definitely has to be on the team.

Jerry?

Jerry O'Cono. Jerry O'Cono?

You think he could be on our basketball? He could hoop?

I don't know. I feel like he could...

Oh, man, this is a good question.

Mark Wallberg.

Yeah, Rosillo. Fuck.

This is a really good question.

I'm just thinking through the tallest people that we've had on the show.

Yeah. Wendy.

Wendy's got handles. Adam Sandler.

For sure. Sandler. Sandler.

Great call. So Wendy running the point. Rosillo, Sandler.

I think we might I have Kane at center.

Kane at center. That's a good call. Stone Cold, power forward. Yeah.

We're just all wrest.

Those are athletes, though.

No, but I think we should actually do all professional wrest and we'll just beat the fuck out of everybody. I'm trying to think of who else we got Tom Segura. Yeah, in the Dunk Contest.

Tom Segura in the Dunk Contest. Tom versus Head. That's a great call.

Danny DeVito.

Danny DeVito, probably not. It's a good question. We got to come up with a solid... We're building this team on Rosillo and Wendy.

No, Mark Waubert. Mark Wauber, yeah.

I do think Wendy would be smooth with it.

I don't know why.

You think he could dribble? Yeah. He just spends enough time around the game.

I think he could...

Yeah. What about Rothstein? Has he ever taken a jump shot?

I don't think so. No. I don't think Rothstein has ever taken a jump shot. Brandon Walker.

Yeah.

Brandon Walker wouldn't be bad. Mark Titus. Well, he played.

Not professionally. True.

He didn't play professionally, but yeah, he would definitely...

I was thinking just no athletes whatsoever.

He was drafted by the Globetrotters. Yeah.

Good question. We got to come up with some more.

We could probably do coaches, right?

Josh Dumont. He probably is a good athlete, right?

Yeah, I think he would be. Missoula.

Missoula played, yeah.

Skip? 1. 4.

Steven A. Steven A. There it is. I knew he'd find it.

All right. Oz, the mentalist.

So final answer, Windy, At the point, Steven A shooting guard?

Yeah.

Rosillo, the three or Rosillo, the four?

If we talk to Rosillo about if he wanted to be a three or a four, he would have an hour long answer. Yeah.

We'll put him at the three. Cain at the five.

Is he a professional athlete? Who? Cain.

Hank's trying to take him away from us.

Mary Cain.

He's 100% a professional.

He's a mayor. Okay. Who's our tallest guest that wasn't a professional athlete?

Man. Who's the one person that we said you should have hooped?

Yeah. Shane. Osama bin Laden.

Yeah. Obo. Shane Gillis.

Shane Gillis would be... Yeah, Shane Gillis at our four, and then maybe Cain at our five.

I like that.

Just keep throwing cane in there, okay?

Yeah, I'm going to keep throwing cane in there. I don't know what you want me to say.

I'm going to keep doing it.

Sup, fellows. How did you guys meet Tim Woods and start doing D&D shows?

Good question. That was in Barstool Gold back in the day, we wanted to do some different shows that weren't sports-related, something different for the people out there. We had a professional, Cudler, come on the show and tell us about her job. We had a Marine biologist come on the show, and we wanted to do a board game type thing, and we thought D&DD might be good.

Yeah.

It's one of the best relationships we've made.

Credit to our guest Booker, who just we told her, go out, find a D&D.

Jordan Berry. Shout out Jordan. Shout out Jordan. The best. Tim woods is now... I mean, I sometimes think about this not as we're going to end the show anytime soon, but whenever the show does end, if we did a tour or a last show, the pop Tim woods would get when he came in would awesome if we did all the best-Signful? Recurring guests. Yeah, but not a clip show, but just having them all come in.

No, for the last episode.

Oh, I thought you were talking about a live. That would be a live show.

Oh, yeah. But I'm saying just the pop. Like a real pop. The pop online if we had him come in and just had everyone.

Didn't we talk about doing a 10-year anniversary show?

We did.

Yeah. Isn't that this? No. Next year.

Next year would be 10. We actually missed our anniversary this year.

Yeah, it's actually we're two because the show started on Leep Day.

Yeah, we're not good with the- That was right.

Next year.

We're not good with the anniversary.

We're going to the 10th year.

No, you just implied. You said, Did you guys say you're doing a 10-year anniversary? Didn't we just pass it?

No, I did not say just pass it.

We did technically miss our nine year.

I did not say just pass it. You were implying, you were like, I thought you were going to do one for 10 years.

We are. We did miss our nine year. It's in a year. Which I'm actually happy about because there's a trend online to be like, Oh, I've been doing this for 100 days. Congratulations to me.

So we missed nine. Yeah. Our bad. What we did.

I thought you were just talking about mostly sports.

No, I'm not talking about mostly sports.

I'm talking about people who do something- And a fifth in college. It's like people work out for 50 days or day 50. I was really talking about Nicki Smokes.

That's who I was talking about. We technically had our nine-year, what, four days ago? Yeah.

I was talking about Nicki Smokes, okay?

All right, next.

I was just wondering in regards to Hot Sea Cool Throne or other segments like Who's Back of the Week, if that is something you guys meet together for, whether it may be hours before each show, to make sure you are pinpointing some of the key things that have happened recently and made sure there's not an overlap thing. I've never overlapped. I have never overlapped. Things you might want to say and if other people had on their best list, and so be it. I usually just think of what would Bigad say and what would PFT say, and then I just use that.

You try to take those? That's a very astute question. We never have any overlap, and we always hit all the main points in the sporting calendar. I think it's like a 45 minutes. It used to be an hour long, but now it's a 45 minutes production meeting, four hours before each show. Then we plot it out. We use Post-it notes, color-coded.

We did. There was a point early on where we planned a lot more, and I think we found... No, we did. Oh, for sure. We planned topics and stuff. I think we found pretty quickly that just being ourselves is a lot, and also surprising each other with things is a lot funnier. But yeah, if you ever hear shorts on Hot Seater Cool Thrill, and that's because we ran out.

Yep. Or keeping beers outside.

Or daylight savings. I I'm so mad at myself.

No, the start of the show, when we did for the first two, maybe three years, it was every topic at the start. So the main sports talk at the start. Then we would do segments after the interview, and the segments would be like Hot Seat, Cool Throne was one of them. Hurt or Injured would be another one. Pr 101. I'm trying to remember the other ones that we had. Mike Wilbon's name drop of the week. He played golf with Obama, not to brag. That was another one. But we would go through whatever happened in the sports, and fit them into one of those segments, and then the show evolved from there.

Yeah, we realized that we're just hitting him on our own in a natural way.

Don't have to put him in a bucket.

When is Max doing the baseball stream? Oh, good question. This is memes. I feel like ever since PMTV came out showing he was throwing maximum 60 miles per hour, it went dark. Is Max scared?

Great question.

Well, the thing is-Let's answer the second part first.

Yeah, the thing is, what is the thing? Are you scared?

Scared? Yeah, probably an accurate answer there. The real answer is we had it set up twice. We got rained out twice. We were working on rescheduling for a third time, and then I broke my foot. Now the college baseball season has started.

I think we got to go maybe Minor League team.

Maybe independent. Yeah, independent. Yeah, independent is probably- The Mallard's would probably do it. Yeah, independent, we could definitely find some teams.

Mallard's, if you're listening, let's get this set up. We can say now we were going to do with the University of Tennessee. Yes. It's going to be the Valls's.

Who won a national championship last year. I think they're currently undefeated.

Max is going to get shelled by them. They were in on it. But then because of the weather in Knoxville, we couldn't find a day that worked. Then he broke his foot.

Then I broke my foot. The breaking of the foot was the real...

Yeah, that was bad.

But then you won a Super Bowl.

But then I won a Super Bowl. Now I'm basically healthy.

Basically Basically healthy? Yeah. What does basically healthy look like?

I was technically not supposed to run or jump for another two weeks.

We're taping this right before we do a challenge where we go to 15 fast food restaurants or attempt to go to 15 fast food restaurants and eat from every single one of them.

Yeah, no, I'm never going to get skinny.

Yeah. It's okay. Listen, when we do the combine and stuff, you show out. I think that's all that matters. If you're a little overweight, it's like you got to just every now and then remind people I could be in good shape.

Yeah.

I could be. Fathlet.

Fathlet? Fathlet. Fathlet. Fathlet. Fathlet.

Fathlet. Fathlet.

I like obese better. Obese is what a good one. Obese just goes perfectly. Obese was a good one.

Yeah, you are obese.

Okay, is that it? No. Good job, Hank. Thanks. You look good today. Thanks. Yeah, that's it. Just complimenting each other. Boys.

Boys compliment each other.

All right. Numbers, memes. Happy birthday, memes.

Yeah, back I like compliments, so let's compliment each other.

Okay. I really hope you get this.

Here's a compliment, Memes. I know at least you're trying to get this.

You're never going to get it, but I know at least you're trying. Okay. That's my compliment to you.

Thank you. I love how much you care.

Yeah.

It's bullshit that people keep bringing up that you didn't get it on the previous machine and the new machine, and it's getting a little ridiculous how bad you are at this. That's me.

Yeah, it's very mean. Then PFT's tweet yesterday was also very nice.

What was my tweet?

It's part of my meme's birthday. Everybody say something nice about him.

Then what did people say?

Have you ever gotten...

Your birthday would be a It would have been better if you would have got the ball.

That's true. I did not want people to- Do people ever see you out memes?

Does that ever happen to you? Because that's when it really gets dark.

No.

Once they start yelling numbers at you.

It would be a real shame if people were able to identify five memes.

I just look like every generic white male.

All right, so if you see a generic white male in your neighborhood, just ask them if they ever got the lottery ball, just to be safe. Okay.

Numbers. Seven. Three.

Oh, they It's his birthday.

It was his birthday.

We'll go 30. I'll give you three. No, you go 30. No, I'll give you three.

It's not going to pop up.

All right, Big Cat, take 30.

I'll take 30. You take three.

No, you take three. I'll take 30.

Are you okay with this? Yeah. All right.

Are you okay I'm fine with it. You're not going to get it either way. What if it pops up? It's not going to.

But go ahead. 77. 99, Pog.

44. 21.

What was yours, Hank?

Seven.

So for the record, Big Cat, you have three. 3. Memes has 30.

45. Memes, what? Just hypothetically, what would you do if three hits and you don't have it that day?

Can't punch the monitor because we would lose all the files. Storm out? Okay.

I've never seen you storm out.

Would you try to fist fight the person who got three?

Yes. Okay. I think he would punch the person closest to him. Who's that person? It's Max. Max. He'd punch Max.

That's Max.

Okay. All right. See you everyone on Friday.

Love you guys.