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As Hank said, it's the best weekend of the year, uh, and I'm sure you're ready to back that up with all the blowouts we had in the NBA playoffs.
Best week of the year.
Yeah, best week of the year.
The best total week of the year.
Yeah, total week.
NFL Draft, playoffs every night. You can't beat it.
Yeah, yeah, you definitely didn't. The NFL Draft isn't always on this week.
This week it is.
What? This week it is.
Yeah, but it's during the first round of the—
Correct. Yeah, correct, correct.
Um, this year it's this week.
This year it is this week. Yeah, it's this week right now. So we had a lot.
We had a lot. We had a lot of really shitty games. Some interesting stuff though. Like even some of the bad games, I don't think that the, uh, the Lakers-Rockets was a particularly interesting game or particularly good game. But it gave us something that was kind of crazy a little bit. There was some, there's some interesting stuff to take away from a lot of these games.
I'm ready to— now this is probably a mistake by me because I did say to— what is it— on Friday's show, I believe I said that I was— I hated watching the Magic play and I wanted the Hornets to get into the playoffs. They ended up killing the Hornets on Friday night. We also had the ending of what feels like the ending for the Golden State Warriors, even though they might just run it back again next year with Draymond and Steph. And Draymond went out in perfect fashion where he got ejected.
See, to me, that's got to be the end. Yeah, that's got to be it. That's a perfect way.
Well, here's the thing. If it's not the end, he'll get ejected again for that. Like, if there's another potential last Draymond game, he will get ejected.
Yeah, I thought it was perfect, though, the way that Steve Kerr gathered them around and gave like a really nice positive speech. And then Draymond was like, you know what, I'm just going to do my Scott Foster imitation.
Yeah.
I'm going to get kicked out. I'm going to talk shit to everybody in the crowd. I'm going to take my time. That was, that was his retirement tour. It was part of his farewell tour, was walking slowly from the bench into the tunnel, flipping off everybody in the stands, telling them all, fuck you, suck my dick. I'll see you guys later. You love to hate me.
Whooping them up.
It was a beautiful way for his career to have ended.
Yeah. You couldn't, couldn't ask for a better way. That's exactly how we all envisioned it. So, so what I was going to say though, is that I said that I was sick of the Magic and I didn't want to see them anymore. And then they, not only beat the Hornets, but then they beat— they were the only upset in the— I guess the Lakers technically were a 2.5-point underdog. They're the only road team to win a first game this weekend in an exciting game. But with that said, what I wanted to do is I wanted to call some series. You want to call some series? I'd like to call some series.
Congratulations to Hank and the Boston Celtics.
Thank you. That series is over.
You have advanced to the second round.
I would like to call that series.
I called— I mean, I called that series. I feel bad.
I feel bad for you, Max, because you got your hopes up. Up and you were really excited about this Sixers team. And you—
I do—
when we left the studio on, I believe it was Thursday, you were like, these guys are right, something about Andre Drummond, this is going to be incredible. And I feel, I feel partially responsible for getting your hopes up.
That, that is a lie.
None of it happened.
My hopes were never up. I never thought there was going to be an Andre Drummond game, even as much as you guys wanted there to be an Andre Drummond.
Well, there still could be.
Yeah, that's just— we, we've only seen one game, Max.
He had 2 points in 21 minutes today.
Okay, so that— you just got to play him 300 minutes.
The Sixers, I think, missed 1,000 layups in this game.
That'd be a record, that—
1,000.
I think they missed 1,000 layups in this game.
They played this game too early. Yeah, I think this is— if this is a 7 o'clock, 8 PM tip, I think the Celtics are in trouble.
You get totally different trouble.
Yeah, you get— Drummond's a night owl. How old is he?
He's 32.
Yeah, there you go, he's an old guy. Yeah, like it takes— it takes our bodies a long time to warm up.
Look at Hank.
Yeah, see, Hank You play—
Hank got to play at his time. Hank's yawning right now. He got to play at noon when he was ready and fresh and ready to go. That's his time.
You got it.
We got to flip it. You're a night owl.
Yeah, they might only lost by 50.
You didn't sleep this weekend.
I didn't get a lot of sleep this weekend.
Max's first bachelor party. Could you imagine being such an egomaniac you throw two bachelor parties for yourself?
You're kind of insane. Like, we have work to do, Max.
You guys are mean.
No, it's—
is it bachelor party month?
I think it's me that Max is dragging us out to Las Vegas and forcing us to go on a bachelor party.
Fine, I'll go to Phish.
Yeah, Max is like, I want to see Phish at the Sphere more than anything in my life.
Fine, I'll eat those mushrooms. Fine. Yeah, no, that series is over. I think we can all agree.
Yes. Yeah, it was always over. Congrats. Congrats.
What if it comes back?
He's not coming back.
He's not going to play at all.
No.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Is that because of Drummond? Yeah. All right. That one's over. I'm ready. I'm going to call. I'm going to call the Cavs-Raptors. I know that that's probably not the Raptors might win a game or two.
I think it'll go 6, but I think Cavs in an easy 6 and smooth 6.
I'm going to call it Memes. Would you be nervous if I called, if I called the Knicks? No. You go. Okay. Wow. I love that, Memes. Karl-Anthony Towns, by the way, bad motherfucker. That's what he said. I'm a bad motherfucker. And he was— he scored how many? 19 points in the second half.
Had your mother's.
He did.
Yeah. Yeah. He sucked at the start of the game.
He was awesome.
He had 0 points, I think, after maybe a quarter, quarter and a half. But yeah, he absolutely turned it on in the second. A little bit of bad blood. I like this. For some reason, these two teams, like, they have to start shit with each other.
Yeah.
And now CJ McCollum, who's never been a guy that I've seen, like, starting shit with anybody, is now into it with the Knicks. Saying that Jalen Brunson was doing a Broadway performance pretending that he got kicked in the nuts. Memes, what are your comments on that? Was that an actual nut shot?
It was definitely an actual nut shot. But this is just every team that loses to the Knicks. They just have to make up an excuse why they lost. And this one was he didn't kick him in the nuts, even though he kicked him in the nuts.
OK, it looked like he kicked him in the nuts.
It looked like he did.
It looked like a nut shot.
Yeah. Yeah, it definitely looked like it. Memes, did you enjoy— also, I think Knicks fans shut down all of 7th 7th Avenue after the game, the entire thing.
That's their thing.
That's their thing. Yeah. No, no. But the whole thing, like from, from Wall Street all the way to the top. That just rocks. No, I don't think that actually happened. But yeah, that is their thing. Would you also have a comment about James Dolan having a secret? What did Pablo Torre say?
He's got a— he's got the deep state.
He's got the deep.
So James Dolan, we knew that he was thin-skinned to begin with because We've all at one point been banned from going to Madison Square Garden. It started, I believe, when Clem did the sell the team shirts, right?
Yep.
And then so he tried to ban everybody from Barstool. I was banned from Madison Square Garden after getting kicked out of the dog show there in 2017. But I did not realize that he had an active, like, surveillance state built into his system where he's like scanning everybody's face as they go in and then lining them up to people who are banned from the stadium. And he also has a goon squad of security officials that patrol the stadium listening in case anybody starts to sell the team chant. Yeah. Then they get on their walkie-talkies and their text threads and they hit up the boys and they're like, hey, I got to sell the team chant going on in Section 122. Could use some help kicking these guys out.
Yeah. Any comment? I think he just wants to be loved. His band is great. That's all.
Okay. So I did have a question about that. For a guy that needs to be loved, Why? Why does he have a band in which he plays the kazoo?
He also plays guitar, does he not? Yeah, I think so.
Saxophone.
Yeah.
I thought he—
I thought he's strictly the funniest picture that went viral.
I thought he only played the kazoo in his band.
Well, I mean, listen, let's not shit on the kazoo. I mean, integral part of any, you know, children's music thing that's going— Rafi or something. Rafi needs the kazoo.
For ball knowers, it is.
Yeah.
But if you're— if you're trying to be— if you need to be loved by the mainstream audience, I feel like like the kazoo. Yeah, it's like the kazoo and the accordion are the two things you don't want to play.
You can't play— you can't have like a little, you know, jamboree for 3-year-olds at the park without a kazoo there.
No.
So it is— it's a very important instrument to very serious music. Down by the Bay.
Have they ever had somebody do the national anthem on the kazoo?
No. I saw that guy whistle, though, in Baltimore.
That was pretty incredible.
So sick. All right. So we're calling it Knicks series over. Yeah, Knicks, Knicks, Celtics. Okay, Knicks series over. Cavs-Raptors over. Celtics-Sixers over. OKC-Phoenix, I don't even want to say that it started because it was over before that even started. Like, that's not— to say that was over is actually a diss to the Thunder because you're implying that at one point it had started. It was It's not— it doesn't exist.
It's over after the first quarter. Yeah, of the first game.
The Blazers-Spurs is actually going on right now, so I'll look stupid at the start of the show if I say that there was only one team to win on the road because Blazers are giving a little bit of a game. So now that we have those established, that we can just be like, hey, those are over, you want to talk about some of the, the series that are still ongoing?
Yeah.
Um, Nuggets-Wolves was— that was probably the best watch.
That's gonna be a fun series.
It'll be a fun series. Jamal Murray was not good from the field, 16 for 16 from free throw. And Jokic— Jokic had a quiet game, which was a triple-double. Yeah, like it was a quiet game for Jokic, he had a triple-double. I do think that this series will be more of a series because even in this game alone, it was like there was a couple moments, it was like, oh, this game's over, and then, then the Wolves would come back. And there was, there was like a bunch of big, big runs within this game.
Yeah, we're going to have a game where Rudy Gobert gets— he goes out of control and he gets people pissed off. Like 3 points, scores 3 points, but they win. We're going to have like a crazy Rudy Gobert game. We're going to have a Julius Randle game where he scores like 35 because he's always good for one of those. And the two teams have so much history there. It's not going to be a sweep. Yeah, I feel very confident saying that. And yeah, you're right. Even though Jokic didn't play his best game, he was still like by far the best player on the court.
Rudy Gobert did have 17 points and he was 8 for 9 shooting. But I mean, he does, he does it all by the, by the hoop. But good, good for him.
Yeah. But no, that's what I'm saying.
It's the crazy Julius Randle game.
That's what I said.
Oh, you said Rudy Gobert.
No, then I said Julius Randle, 35 points. You get the Julius Randle game.
Yeah, we've had some of those.
We've had those before.
Yeah.
The Rudy Gobert games aren't necessarily the ones where he has like the statistically good night.
Yeah.
Like he did. It's the ones where he just gets crazy and mucks everything up.
But it is, it is nuts. Just Jokic to be like, oh, he, yeah, he wasn't that great. Like he wasn't that dominant tonight. And he was, you know, he still just has a 25, 13, and 11. He's just so fucking good.
He looks good. I had a thought when I was watching this and maybe it was just, I don't know, I was watching on a different TV. You know, you have, you have your TVs that you usually use to watch sports and then occasionally you catch yourself like playing a road game and you get freaky.
Yeah.
Yeah. You're playing a road game in your own house. But Jokic looks skinnier to me.
He did. Well, I think it's the haircut. Okay.
Yeah.
Because I noticed the same thing.
You think he lost a little bit of weight?
Maybe a little, but I think he just— the shaved head look.
Yeah.
He like cleaned up a little.
He looks skinnier. Like, I don't know, maybe he's been smoking cigarettes or something, but he, he looks like he's moving more skinnily. I don't even want to say moving faster. He just, he appears to be skinny.
Yeah. I noticed that as well. He, by the way, the— in terms of playoff triple doubles, only LeBron and Magic have more. At this point. So he is in very rarefied air there. Also, if you're a Wolves fan, you got to hope that maybe there's some more free throws taken by your team in, uh, Game 2. Not, not a blame thing, but like I said, the— I think, I think Jamal Murray made more free throws than the entire Wolves team.
The Wolves made 14.
Yeah, he was 16 for 16 from the free throw line. Yeah, he made more free throws than the entire Wolves team.
Mm-hmm.
What? I forget. What are we— are we not supposed to call them the Wolves or is it not supposed to call them the T-Wolves?
We can't call them the T-Wolves.
So the T-Wolves.
Yeah, but I still do.
It's Wolves or Timberwolves.
There was one guy, one of those things.
Yeah, there's one AWL who just every time we said it would just try to correct us.
Yeah, the Minnesota T-words.
So no. So no T-Wolves.
No T-Wolves. We can say the Timber Dubs.
Timber Dubs. I like that.
I kind of like Timber Dubs.
Timber Dubs works.
Tinder Dubs.
Timberdubs or the, the Timwolves.
The Timwolves. Yeah.
The Timwolves.
The Timwolves.
These are all play.
Yeah. Or the M-Tims. We can do that too.
The M-Tims.
The M-Tims.
I like the M-Tims.
But yeah, I think even though like I wouldn't say that this was super, super close at the end, it was competitive. It was never, it never felt out of hand until the very, very end of the game. But I do think that the the M-Tims are going to win. I'm going to say this is going to go 6 games.
Oh yeah, this series—
4-2 Nuggets.
It's a series of 6 though. The Cavs is an easy—
it's hard.
Yeah, I'm not ready to call this series over, and I'm excited to watch it. The other ones that we called over, I don't really have any— I, I actually might, I might say right now, I, I might not watch another second of, of the Thunder-Suns series. I watched that entire game today and it was a complete waste of my time. That was never— that was never even close to a game.
D-Book doesn't do it for you.
It was just like, why? There's just— just let me go to the next round for the Thunder.
What about this? I think I heard Doris Burke say this. They've got a secret weapon. Oh, the Suns. Now, it's not that secret of a weapon because he is on the team and he's been on the team.
Okay.
But theoretically, he could have played tonight, but they're saving him. Who? The break glass in case of emergency secret weapon for the Phoenix Suns. Is Grayson Allen.
Oh yeah, he's been hurt. He is actually really good shooter.
Yeah, he's been hitting threes. But would that— would, would that make you tune into a game?
Probably not. Actually, you know what? I might tune into the pregame because we did have Dylan Brooks just being an ass and not letting Chet Holmgren touch the ball before the game. If you do that, you cannot then lose by a billion.
Yeah.
That was the— that was the end of their— like, the Suns talked a tough game for 2 minutes of the pregame, and that was it.
He did try to do the fuck shit thing too, where he like— did he face wash? Was that Chet or was that— or was that J Dub? Who was that that he just like stuck his fingers up his nose after about— after about like 10 minutes? Yeah, there you go. Yeah, just basically gave him a face wash, a little fishhook there. You knew that Dylan Brooks was going to do something stupid like that. That was the moment where after that point, the Thunder just went on a roll. And if you, if you're the Suns and you don't get at least like an 8-0 run out of the Dylan Brooks, I'm going to do something really stupid moment, then you've lost all hope in that game and it's over. Yeah.
So we also had the night game, the Lakers-Rockets, which KD getting ruled out right before the game. That was a bummer. Weird.
Very weird.
Bumped knees on Wednesday and then warming up.
Yeah, he was warming up.
They posted—
it's fine.
Yeah, ESPN posted a KD doesn't miss clip of him warming up. Um, told you guys Luke Kennard. Did I not tell you Luke Kennard, 27 points? Luke Kennard, he did. And then it went viral, the, uh, the fact that Luke Kennard actually has more points, uh, in Ohio high school basketball than LeBron James.
Oh, that's crazy.
Pretty, pretty fun little fact.
That's a fun—
the, the Los Angeles Lakers have two of the highest-scoring Ohio basketball players, high school basketball players of all time. I think is two and LeBron is four. This is though a crazy game because it felt like everything went right for the Lakers and everything went wrong for the Rockets, including Kevin Durant being ruled out right before the game. The Rockets took 27 more shots than the Lakers. 27, which is a bad number for Houston Rockets fans in general, but it's insane. 27 more shots, they just didn't make them, and the Lakers made everything. The Lakers shot 53% from 3, and I will say, uh, it was pretty cool that LeBron was playing with his son in a playoff game, and his, you know, mom/grandmother of Bronny was watching Fuck it. Fine. Everyone's injured on the Lakers. LeBron's 41. The fact that he's winning playoff games still and the fact that his son was a baby when he was first in the NBA playoffs and now they're playing together, it's pretty damn cool.
It's very cool. It's very cool. And the fact that like Bronny's on the Lakers is still ridiculous. Yeah, but they're so banged up that he actually should have been playing in that game.
Yeah.
It's not like they did LeBron a favor by playing his son. That's how beat up the Lakers are. I thought that the role that LeBron's being used in right now, it's, it's very different from what he's done in the past. He is being like a point guard, like a full-time point guard and like a facilitator. And I actually think that's— he's really, really good at that.
He's done it at times. I mean, he's had to do it at times where he's had to basically control the whole game.
Uh, right.
But he's also done that through like not just facilitating and passing, but like also being ball dominant and getting his own shot. Yeah. And scoring. This is like, yeah, he did a little bit of that, but he was like a true point guard.
Yeah.
And I, I actually think that if he's going to—
I mean, when you have Luke Kennard out there, you just got to feed Luke.
If he's going to win like a series or maybe two, that's—
oh, you're already getting that? That's—
I think they're going to beat them. Oh, I think they're gonna beat the Rockets if Kevin Durant comes back.
I do not think so. Again, I— having 27 more points than your opponent and only They should have blown them out. And they shot the— like I said, the Lakers— maybe this is just what's going to happen, but it felt like everything went right for the Lakers, everything went bad for the Rockets. I'm not ready to rule this series over.
I'm not ruling it over. I'm saying that, that I like watching LeBron in this role. Yeah, it's more interesting than—
well, he won't be if Luka comes back.
Well, that's what I'm saying. I think he could— I think it could work.
Now Luka needs the ball. Come on, I think he needs the ball.
I think you got to get Luka the ball.
He'll get to have the ball.
He'll get the ball.
He's got to hold the ball.
When you got Bronny, like LeBron— sorry, sorry, I keep calling— that's fucked up when you refer to a man as what used to be his nickname at times, and then it's accidentally referring to his son. LeBron, when he's at his most fun to watch, in my opinion, is when he's passing the ball. And that's what— that's what he did very, very well over the weekend. So I don't know if Luka comes back and I don't know, do we know when he's going to come back?
They said like game 6 or 7, maybe. Is the hopeful. Okay, again, yeah, do you need him? You have Luke Kennard.
You don't have— you don't need him, but he's a nice to have.
The Lakers, I mean, between Luke Kennard and Austin Reeves and Luka, they're just getting all the swaggy white dudes. Mm-hmm. Luke Kennard's one of the only Duke guys I don't like actively hate, and it's all because he's a lefty and he can dribble behind his back. It's sometimes it's that easy. It's just a cool looking thing when he does that.
For me, Mick Roberts was that guy when he got tatted up.
Also a lefty.
Yeah.
But yeah, something about Luke Kennard. Oh yeah, Luke is sitting there. The Kevin Durant yelled at a fan, I think, during the game saying, get that grown man dick out of your mouth. That's kind of— does that even, does that even register anymore if you're a fan and you get yelled at by Kevin Durant? That's not even something you can go tell people, right?
No.
Like, that's not— that's just not something that— that, like, okay, cool. So you went to a game that Kevin Durant played in. He yells at a fan every single game.
Kevin Durant, he's just like— he's a full-time internet troll now. Yeah. Even when he's not online, he's still like that. That has infected every fiber of his being.
What are you guys laughing at in the booth?
I had a bad Twitter search. I was trying to find the video. I just switched grown man dick.
You search Durant, grown man dick?
No, not even Durant.
I just searched grown man dick. On Twitter, Max.
Yeah.
I mean, I X'd out before we got— we got to the loading.
Well, now let's see. Yeah, we got to go back. You got to get back. You got to— you got to do it.
No. What is that? What is that result, Max?
What is sort of— is sort of breaking like constantly now.
It's nothing. Oh, it's easy. I thought—
yeah.
Max, what are you going through? Let's do a little intermission here on basketball talk. What are you going through mentally and physically right now?
This is the worst hangover of my life.
So what can you give us a breakdown of the of the bachelor party, what would happen this weekend? Um, he's got nothing in his brain right now. Holy shit. You saw Thursday, it is blank.
Met up with some friends, got dinner, uh, got drinks after, stayed up late. Friday morning, uh, woke up, played golf, drank on the course. Then we went to then we went out for a little, then we went to Barstool Bar in Philly. Shout out, shout out them. And then woke up Saturday morning, tailgated all day for the Phillies game yesterday, stayed, went to the Phillies game for like 4 innings. They were like, fuck it, let's go watch the Flyers.
You got fired up.
We watched the Flyers win and then went, went to a strip club last night. And here I am today.
And there you sit.
And here I said, what time did you start tailgating for the baseball game?
I think like 1:30. The game started at 7.
That's—
and then, yeah, that's a lot of tailgating for a baseball game.
I've been telling Max that he needs to have 4 beers, 4 small beers tomorrow.
No.
And you got to taper this thing off, dude.
The Phightins are in town.
Yeah, Max said we were going to go to the game together. He's doing the I'm never drinking again thing. That's The opposite of what you have to do in a situation. You have to taper yourself back into real life. You have to have 4 medical beers on Monday and then ease your way back.
Basically, your doctor prescribing it to you.
You have to do this, Max. Max, as your attorney, I strongly advise you.
Come on, Max. Yes.
Not great.
It's not— not a good spot.
Yeah. That looks like a man that has some anxiety about— did you lose something this weekend, Max?
Money.
Yeah. Yeah. By the way, well, how are you feeling right now? Because we obviously didn't go to this bachelor party of yours. This one, you were going to the second one because, like I said, you're an egomaniac. You're having bachelor party month.
I mean, my—
the second one will be— will be 2 days before our live show in L.A., which— buy tickets. The YouTube Theater, May 5th. In L.A. We're doing a live show and we're doing it 2 days after Max's bachelor party. We are going to be telling stories that we're not going to be told on the podcast.
There's also a wrinkle that has been added is that my parents will be in attendance.
Oh, nice.
So we will be having to get creative of—
we should get actual headphones.
We should say everything that you did. We'll just say Zach did it.
I know we just have to escort them out of the building when we get to that. I think when we get to that segment, we'll get some earmuffs.
We'll have— we'll have Jerry O'Connell put the earmuffs on them. Mm-hmm. That's the only place that we're going to be saying all the stuff that Jerry says when he says not for air. I don't—
I don't—
I've never seen anyone do as much drugs in a weekend as Zach did that weekend. See, that's easy.
No drugs. No drugs.
Your mom's going to text you now.
No, disavow, disavow, disavow.
Not true.
Out of context.
Vowing.
Uh, but yeah, do buy tickets. I, I— we have, uh, Rosil is going to be a special guest. Blake Griffin I talked to is going to be a special guest. Jerry O'Connell will be a special guest. And I think Jerry just invited and made his wife a special guest, which I think we're just gonna have to do. I think we're gonna have to have Rebecca Romijn. Oh no, we would love to have her on. Oh no, supermodel, everyone look it up, she's the best. She doesn't know though, like The problem with having her on is that I don't trust that Jerry is going to fully explain what she's going to do. You know what I mean? There's a chance she— he tricks her into being like, hey, we're going to go to this show. You know, the Strokes are playing in L.A. at the YouTube Theater. I got us tickets. And then she's going to show up and just be like, actually, we're doing the fantasy stuff with my friends.
There's also a very high chance that Rebecca Romijn actively hates us.
Yeah, definitely.
I would say we pull Jerry away from her so much.
I would say 100% she does.
Maybe she loves us for that. I'm not sure. But like, Jerry definitely talks to her about us and she definitely says to him, like, I don't care. Stop talking about these guys.
So we're going to have— we're going to have Rebecca Romaine on the show. So this is going to be an awesome, awesome— we don't do live shows often, if ever. I think this is our second one in 8 years.
Yeah, we did one for the BVT anniversary. Yeah, one year anniversary.
So please buy tickets. Come out. It's going to be a very fun night. And Yeah, it's going to be fun night. 10 years apart. My Take with some special guests and Max.
We're probably going to have to follow PFT's advice.
What?
And maybe just get like pretty drunk if we're, you know, whoa, whoa, whoa.
You didn't hear my advice. My advice was not to get pretty drunk. My advice was like 4 easy beers for Max on a Monday. You just want to get drunk. Hank will get drunk.
Oh, I mean, the show's on Tuesday.
I know, but it's like you got 4 easy beers on a Monday.
2 beer prescription.
And then maybe turn that into 8.
Yeah, it's a 2-beer night, 8 to 16 on Tuesday.
Yeah.
Hank will be drunk.
I might not even be drinking in Vegas.
No, you're probably never drinking again, Max.
You're a ratchet party. It's that bad right now?
It's not great. It's not good, Max. Hank comes in every now and then, and I always think of him as like a pussy and he's old and whatever.
Hank, you didn't know that.
It's true.
Get his ass out.
These are all comments you did not know.
I feel like I feel like I get it now. I feel like I get it now.
Well said. That was a nice, nice thing you said.
Yeah.
Great.
I know. It's respect. Respect.
Much respect.
He's a lot of—
so much respect. I'm old.
I'm getting old.
I can't believe that you do that, Hank. I can't believe you drag yourself here when you're feeling that bad.
Yeah. When you're just an old bag of shit.
Not as much of a pussy as Max thought that you were until yesterday.
How long is the tub going to be tomorrow? We have interviews tomorrow.
I know we have— I don't think— I don't think I'm going to have to do pub.
Pub.
I would have to do tub after the— what about afternoon? Maybe I'll do tub tonight.
I actually know you should not. You probably will drown.
You should invite one of our guests to tub with you.
Oh, yeah.
What?
He's talking about Daniel Jeremiah. No, just tubs it up. That's a private thing.
That's an in— that's an in— that's a solo.
He doesn't even invite his fiancée to the tub.
No, it's a solo mission.
I think you gotta go beers in the tub.
I really— I'm talking—
stop trying to get me to drink more.
Don't, don't tub tonight. You will die. I can— no, you'll fall asleep and then you'll just slowly go under and you'll never wake up again. Don't do it. Yeah, okay, that's Max. That's how he's feeling. Uh, let's take a quick break and we'll talk some more playoffs. NHL included. We'll get some more basketball talk. DraftKings, DraftKings Sportsbook is our wonderful sponsor. The NBA playoffs are here and DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NBA, boosts every game day, the whole postseason when the lights get brightest. The best players in the world show you exactly who they are. Playoff stars turn it up round by round and DraftKings turns it up too with a profit boost available every single game day from the first round all the way to the finals. Best player props Bet live. Bet player props. Bet live from the opening tip to the final possession. Every bucket, every dime, every clutch takeover matters. Only DraftKings Sportsbook keeps boosting you all the way through. New Sportsbook customers bet just $5. If your bet wins, you'll get $300 in bonus bets instantly. Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app. Use code TAKES. You're ready for the moment.
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Okay. Should we talk? Should we talk at all about— I mean, that was just an absolute drubbing by the Celtics. That was another— the Celtics in the Thunder games were just not— weapon mode. Yeah. Any thoughts from the game?
Jason Tatum, the announcers were talking about it a lot, how crazy it is, how fast he's come back. I never would have thought, you know, a year ago after he went down against the Knicks, like the fact that he is back and playing as good as he's playing. Is just special.
It's special, special.
Yeah, he would have easily had a triple-double if he played the whole game. Yeah, he didn't have to play the full entire fourth quarter.
It was dominant. Yeah, just dominant stuff.
And memes, I just can't wait for the next memes. I just, I hate him. Things, yeah, the things he's just like, oh, they're so much worse than they are last year.
And it's like, and they are.
I cannot wait. I cannot wait.
Celtics, they are.
And the, and, and memes had to take Can I— am I allowed to— yeah, am I allowed to say this? Yes. Even though it was at the Cubs game, so it was outside of— he said Mitchell Robinson's the best player in the NBA.
He's so good. I like it, memes. I said I agree with me.
He just can't shoot free throws, but he can do everything. He said he's the best player in the NBA.
I agree. I mean, he's right.
I, I love Mitchell Robinson.
Yes, he can defend.
His trucks—
he's got trucks, he's got all the dogs. He's the only person that I follow on TikTok, statistically, one guy.
Off the top of my head, I think plus minus, like when he's in, the Knicks are unstoppable. So that will just be the button. And that's why Joe Mazzulla, smart coach, auto foul Mitch when he's in the game because of the free throws.
What's your answer to Mitchell Robinson, Hank?
Free throws.
Just, just hack a bitch.
Yeah. So it works. So are you—
so you're not scared of the Knicks? No. And Connor's not scared of you?
Yeah, it's exciting.
It's, it's, it's actually great. Yeah, the Knicks are designed to beat the Celtics.
Built from the ground up.
Wow. What if the Sixers end up getting there? That we've already—
that's— Sixers would crush the Knicks.
We've declared that series over.
The Knicks are designed to beat the Celtics.
You know who the Mitchell Robinson stopper is? Andre Drummond. Yeah.
He does it all. Get your man that can do both.
So that was— Hank, how did you— I mean, this game wasn't even— it was over like the minute it started. You look down, it was just like, oh, okay. It's a 15-point game.
Yeah, I think, I think they, they, it's like 8 to 9 to 8 or something. And then the game was over.
Oh, I will say, you know, we often talk about guy math, how bad, you know, when we see numbers and they don't make sense. 64 to 46 is, is way more than 18 points. Way more.
Yeah.
When it jumps, when it was 64-46 at half and they're like the Knicks are, or the Sixers are down 18 and a half. I was like, no, they aren't. They're down a billion.
What was the halftime score with the Magic and the Hornets? That was crazy.
That was crazy.
Hornets just got their shit kicked in.
Yeah.
LaMelo Ball is— I don't know. I can't tell. I can't tell. I think he's the funniest player, but I just don't know.
Yeah.
Yeah, he's the funniest player. That was 68 to 37.
Jesus. See, that to me, that, that feels like it's 40 points.
Yeah, but 68 to 37, I can conceptualize a little bit better because it's like you just— they're close enough where it's Like, all right, that's a really big number. Something about 64 to 46. When I saw it today, I was like, if you just— if you flash that in front of me, said, how much are they up?
I would have said 35 points because it felt like a lot more, especially in that moment. Hank, the comments at the end of the game by the Boston fans chanting, we want Boston. What does that mean?
I think that was just letting the city of Philadelphia know how dumb they are and how much we own them.
So you were just doing like the repeat game?
Well, yeah, it's like, so the Sixers, you know, like, remember when you guys were chanting this? How dumb do you feel?
Deal.
Yeah, that's pretty funny.
Yeah, good.
That was pretty funny. It's just Max is so fired up that he doesn't care at this point.
I just—
it was over. Flyers-Bruins playoff series, Mike. That might actually be what the AWLs need.
Oh, you got to worry about the Sabers, buddy.
Yeah, no, I know, but that would get choking too. Yeah, I was, I was thinking of that take when we were up 2-0, but still, ah, still on the table.
Uh, Max, how much How much better was your day that Tobias Harris also lost?
Oh, it was so perfect watching the end of that game and Tobias Harris just like missing every shot that the team needed.
So I was, I was thinking about you. I was like, I bet Max actually, this makes the Sixers loss sting a little bit less because, because the way that the Pistons end up losing.
So that, that was the biggest. I don't, I, if you're a Pistons fan, are you hitting the panic button? Probably not. But the Magic are healthy for the first time. In a very long time. And if Tobias Harris is your— is supposed to be your second, you know, leading scorer, that's a problem. Also, Duncan Robinson was their third leading scorer with only 9 points. We like Duncan Robinson, but that seems like a problem. It's— it was just remarkable. The Magic had all their starters at 15-plus points, right? And the Pistons had Cade Cunningham with 39 points, Tobias Harris was 17, and then the next was Duncan Robinson at 9. And it's like, are the Pistons one of those defensive, physical teams, max effort teams that can get the most in the regular season, and then, oh shit, you don't have enough guys who can score and be elite scorers in the playoffs? I don't— I'm not going to rule that after one game. The question has been posed in my head.
Well, they got— they have their own break glass in case of emergency guy they can bring in, B-Ball Paul.
Yes, sure.
And then that's the great equalizer.
But it did that. That was like Franz Wagner taking over in the, in the fourth quarter. He, I think he was 5 for 5 for 11 points. That's what a second score does like that. When it became Franz versus Tobias Harris, like, oh, okay, yeah, the Magic are going to win this.
I don't know, Max, what do you think? Do you think that a team that has Tobias Harris as their second leading scorer can win a bunch of playoff series?
Nope.
I just kept thinking about that. I was like, at least, at least Max has this that he gets to watch today.
You, if you're, if you're a Pistons fan, I think so. The Pistons, I don't think— when was the last time the Pistons won a home playoff game?
It was 2008.
2008.
I think it was 2008.
Damn. 2004.
2004.
No, they Really? They definitely won home playoff games after that with like Ben Wallace, Rasheed Wallace.
Pistons playoff history.
2008.
I got it right. 2008. 2008. And last home. And, and, and, and. Yes, last year they won there. They won 2 games in New York.
That is pretty crazy. Yeah, that's a long-ass time.
If you are a Pistons fan, though, that, that sucks. That's a long-ass time. Uh, you just have to hope that maybe this is— the Magic had a streak in, it was from 2011 to 2020, they had 3 playoff appearances where they won the first game. They were like, Magic fans call it like first game magic. They won the first game, then lost 4-1 in the series. 3 straight series they did that. So you just gotta hope that that's first game magic again.
I, I think Detroit's gonna be okay. I still think, and this, I mean, not coming out of the East, we're digging ourselves pretty pretty deep into the, like, Magic haters camp, which I don't want to be because I know I'm— I don't want to hate the Magic. I don't. I thought that they were very fun to watch last year, and this year they've been a bummer. Obviously, the injuries have been a big part of that. But I still think that the Pistons are— I think that they're going to win. And I'm going to say Pistons in 6.
I'm flipping back into a Magic lover because our guy— well, I saw a take. Do you guys want to hear a take from a an NBA expert that made me like double think it and be like, hey, you know what, if everyone— if an NBA expert's saying this, maybe I'll just zag on it and go somewhere else. He said after the Magic beat the Hornets on Friday night, this stinks. The Magic earned it, but that is a terrible series. Hornets versus Pistons in a playoff series would have been a perfect stylistic contrast, and they had a huge fight earlier in the year. Now this series is horrible, talking about the Pistons versus the Magic.
And this is an NBA expert. Expert. Yeah. Does he work here at this?
Yes. Stephen Chase. So now that I'm just going to be like, you know what, I'm all in on the Magic. I might buy some Magic here.
Is that how you determine like 90% of your basketball takes?
Yeah.
If Stephen Chase says something, you know it's wrong.
Well, if he says this is so horrible and no one wants to watch this, I'm like, you know what, I'm now going to tune in.
Listen, I like the Magic when they're playing fun brand of basketball, not when they're doing the like, I'm going to Every guy gets it. Everybody gets an ISO opportunity and then occasionally kick it out to a guy that then takes his own ISO opportunity.
I do think the Pistons will win the series, but I, I, there's a little bit hovering over panic button when you're the 1 seed and you lose game 1.
I think they'll be okay.
A little bit.
You know what? It's early for a guarantee. I guarantee the Pistons win game 2.
Okay.
That's a guarantee.
Why don't you guarantee the whole series?
That's a guarantee the Pistons win game 2.
Why don't you guarantee the whole series?
It's a, because I don't have that much tied in with the Pistons.
Pistons. Just do it. Just guarantee the whole series. It costs nothing to guarantee the whole series.
You know what, I guarantee the Pistons win the whole series, and I double guarantee they win game 2. There you go. That's double guarantee.
That's nice.
Never been done.
That's a rollover guarantee.
I don't know a single other podcast that's ever double guaranteed a game 2.
I'll match your guarantee on game 2.
Okay, triple guarantee. Yep.
Anyone else want to match?
Cowards.
You won't. No, really?
Are you going to guarantee Game 2 for the Celtics?
Yes.
OK, well, congratulations. Thank you. Guarantee the Thunder too. Oh, OK. You saw something out of the Suns. You saw an adjustment. What was the Jamal Hill tweet? What the— the— like they made like something to note late in the game. They found an answer.
Oh yeah. Yeah. They found an answer to—
what was it? Oh, so funny.
The answer to Jokic.
It might have been like real ball knowers know. Oh, shit. I got to find—
I don't know the adjustment I saw late in the, in the game for the Suns. I think we're going to get the Jalen Green game for, for the Suns. Yeah, but that's not necessarily a good thing.
Yeah. Yeah.
Wait, but he's going to think that it is.
I got to find this. Such a funny It was just like, and we're all have bad takes. We just, we just guaranteed Game 2, which the Magic could absolutely win.
No, they're not because it's guaranteed.
Yeah. Can you find it for me? No, no chance. I don't know why I just asked Max that.
I started to type something and I was like, well, you, I don't even know what you're talking about.
Yeah. Old Man Penis.
Old Man Penis. Find that. Yeah.
My best guy on it.
I don't know.
He's at Max.
Oh, here we go, here we go. All right, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it. A win is a win, but if I'm Denver, I treat this like a loss. Lakers really figured something out putting Hachimura on Jokic.
Yeah, yeah, that's what it was.
That's one of those somewhat small adjustments that can win.
Yep, yep. That, that might have also been the same series. Darren Rovell like said it was the closest 4-game sweep.
It was like the most exciting sweep of all time. I think Greeny said it too. It was basically everyone was just bending over backwards to be like, what a series. There were a couple of good games.
There were, there's some, but it was a sweep. We had the, the Austin Reeves moment. Yeah.
Yeah. Uh, okay. I think that's it for, well, I guess the, the, the, since we started the podcast, the Spurs have gone on to, uh, separate themselves from the Blazers. So I think I can confidently say besides thank you to the Orlando Magic, sincerely, thank you to the Orlando Magic for giving us at least one road team to win this weekend and to have— what, even that game wasn't very competitive because it was the other way. But it's just crazy. It was, uh, it was just all blowouts. It felt like in the NBA—
this is Spurs series over.
Yeah, yeah, good call.
Yeah.
So how many did I call officially over? I called Spurs, Thunder, Celtics. Memes gave me Knicks. Cavs. Is there any other? That's right, so 5 out of the 8 series are over.
That's fair.
It feels fair.
Knicks probably—
I know the overreacting to game 1, we all do it, we all fall for it, but I feel like 5 out of 8.
We said Nuggets not done.
Not Nuggets are not done. Lakers Rockets not done. And then Pistons Magic, just because the fact that the Magic won game 1, you can't You can't say that.
I'm actually going to call that series over for the Magic.
Yeah, you're projecting for the Magic. How many games?
Hell yes.
5. Is that a guarantee?
So they could still— the Pistons could still win Game 2?
Yeah.
Okay, good.
Then we look really smart. The Magic suck.
Okay, not today.
All right, Max. Okay, let's unpack that.
You haven't seen a game they've played on the Magic last week.
Yeah, your team is good.
We suck.
The Magic had one good game.
Oh, no, two good games.
They've had a weekend full of good games.
They're hot.
Sure.
You—
I don't think— remember, and then they played on that game on where they needed to.
They lost the Celtics backups.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, that was great coaching, great team. They dug deep. That's just how good—
do the Magic hate their coach?
I think so. I think there's a lot of teams that don't like their coach. Yeah.
Lamelo. Yeah, I'm out on Nick Nurse.
Oh, okay. Let's talk about the elephant in the room.
What?
I'm out.
You were talking about if you're in on your coach or out on your coach. Out on— out on my—
I'll say it. I'm out on Billy Donovan with just how much the Ryan's Nurse love him. It's too much. Too much love. Seriously, it's just too much. It's making me uncomfortable. You know when like someone's making out in public? And you're like, oh, OK, that's a little too much.
Like, if Ryan Dorf loves you that much. Yeah.
When they did an entire press conference like, we got to do everything we can to keep Billy Donovan the coach, like, oh, that was a little like he's not— he's good. But like, that was a little too much. That was maybe grossing me out a little.
I'm in on Joe Mazzulla till I'm 6 feet under.
OK, OK. Hopefully sooner than later.
Did you see that Mazzulla got tased?
Yeah, we knew that.
Connor, you like that?
Wish him death on air.
How's it going, though?
I'm in on Coach Keefe. Chief Keefe. We got it.
Meme.
Got our guy.
Zach, speak up. We'll see how far we go with Mike Brown.
Zach, that doesn't sound like he's all in.
I feel good about things right now. And since we need to make a run here, we got right now. You got to be all in.
Okay.
It's runtime.
That doesn't sound— saying right now you got to be all in is not—
well, everything's fluid, especially when it comes to—
that is true. We stay fluid. You have to stay fluid.
Have to.
If you don't stay fluid, that's when you get caught bad.
Yeah, I'm going to say the Spurs series is over. I feel like this is just too much.
Wimby, also, their court is awesome.
It is incredible. The environment in San Antonio looks amazing. All the t-shirts. I think it looks awesome, but I think it's probably the least intimidating arena that I've seen in a while. It looks like a party.
Oh, yeah. No, it's like a piñata.
Yeah, I want to— I want to be there. I want to have fun. Yeah, it looks like a bounce castle.
They—
oh, by the way, we shouldn't even talk about this game. The series was over when we found out what the Spurs were doing with their t-shirts and the Blazers can't afford t-shirts. Blazers said, we're not doing t-shirts, but don't, don't worry, just wait. We have a big surprise coming for games 3 and 4. That's going to suck.
What's the big surprise?
I don't know, but that's just like they also— I saw the—
it sounds like Scott's Tots where it's like they're just pushing it off off as far as they can. Yeah, it's gonna be awesome.
The Blazers also, uh, their new owner didn't fly out all the guys on the two-way contract, which is like, those guys can't play, but it's customary to, to have them for the road games in the playoffs, just like camaraderie. And they, you know, didn't fly them out. Cheap owner. Yeah, just bought the team. Although I guess that's what happens when you buy a team. You buy a team and you're like, oh shit, there's a lot of money. I just spent a lot of money.
There's a lot of stuff that goes into running a team that costs a lot of money that I think I would, I would not think of. Like, I think if I bought an NBA team, I would not have to spend any more money again. It's like I already paid for the team.
But you can't— like, there's, there's got to be no bigger bummer in sports than having a new owner buy a team and then immediately be cheap. Like, immediately.
They're immediately broke.
Yeah.
This is the worst financial decision I've ever made in my life.
I will say one nice thing about the Blazers owner. He— I saw before, I think it was the Suns play-in game. He was on the court like 3 hours before just getting shots up. And that's exactly what I'd do if I was an owner of an NBA franchise.
Yeah.
So that's 100%. He was like, I'm going to spend— what? How much money did he pay for the team?
I would— if I were an owner of, I don't know, billions, multiple billions, if I was an owner of an NBA franchise, I would get a bunch of shots up and then shower in like the team locker room while the dudes are like showing up, while they're getting ready.
Yeah, I would. Yeah.
Hey, what's up, guys?
My coming to hang out would be like, go to the game, warm up on the court, and then just like make my way to the various suites eating the different buffets.
Yeah.
And then that's, that's my job because I own the team.
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
But that is a, that's a nightmare scenario. You spend like, let's just say $2 billion on a sports team and then the next month you get a big-ass bill and it's like, oh, I have to pay all these guys every month.
Well, yeah, not only that, but you get, you buy a team and then they come in, they say, hey, Hey, guess what? We made the playoffs. Oh, nice. That's awesome. That, sir, unfortunately, that means you have to buy 18,000 t-shirts every night.
Going to do it every night.
Not going to do it.
Don't people have t-shirts at home?
What do you think? What do you think he's getting them?
He doesn't know. I'll tell you that much. He has no idea what he's—
it's probably towels. He's probably getting the towels.
He is like he's having an emergency meeting right now. And it'll be— it'll be like show-and-tell night where everybody— you're allowed— all the fans get to bring one item that they love very much to show off in the stadium.
That's your— but towels don't work in an NBA game.
Yeah, that's a—
that's a baseball, NFL thing, even a hockey thing. You can't do the towels.
I think— I think they might do a towel.
I love the rally towel.
You know, it's great. But you agree, like, the NBA is like, you know, the t-shirt.
But maybe that could be your thing. No, everyone does t-shirt.
Being cheap. It's like, yeah, this is actually our thing. We're branding this. It would be funny if it was like little party hats. Oh wait, here come the Blazers, only down 11. Maybe this is a series. Okay, hockey. You want to talk hockey real quick, Hank? The Bruins are up 2-0 in the third. Buffalo, what a scene, by the way. Sabers fans, that's exactly how I wanted Buffalo to act in terms of the pregame. There was that They had like a Bruins mannequin they're beating up in the middle of the street. Looked like everyone had been drunk for hours. You had local, local bakeries making huge pretzel dicks that looked like they were supposed to be Sabers, but they just look like penises. Just the, the, the civic pride in Buffalo was at an all-time high.
We had a bunch of bandwagoners.
We had the beer Sabers. So here's the beer, so those are cool, which apparently sold out a day before the game.
They've been selling those all year because I've seen people with the beer Sabers.
Yeah, but they sold out. I don't know how they sold out. Maybe I misread the news story, but it looked like they sold out of the beer sabers the day before the game.
I actually, I actually love the dichotomy of that, of just like being like there's a bunch of really good planned alcoholics.
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Like, yeah, we are alcoholics, but we know how to plan our alcohol consumption.
Severe. Like, we showed up to the stadium the day before the game to buy the sword.
Yeah. You don't think of it. You don't think of someone who's, who's like drunk all the time is making good plans, but they're like, hey, listen, honey, I got to make sure you set an alarm for 1 o'clock tomorrow. I got to call in and reserve my, my, my beer saver.
Beer saver. Yeah. It's a limited time. It's going to be worth a lot one day. But I mean, what a finish today was.
Yeah.
Celtics are sort of the Bruins couldn't just finish it out.
What happened?
I mean, this is, this is what happens when, when your city just is always in the playoffs. One second you're riding high, you just beat the Sixers by 60. You're already looking on to the Knicks and then the next second you're You're up 2-nothing, looking good against—
you weren't looking on to any—
the Sabers. I was watching the game.
The city of Buffalo is a joke of a town.
It's a bunch of losers. It's a bunch of bandwagon fans, but that's fine.
Call them losers.
Yeah, bandwagon fans are like—
are you saying that people that live in Buffalo, like, they made the playoffs and they're like, oh, it's all right, let's start watching the hockey games? Like, they don't— they don't actually care.
Not like you.
Fuck those guys.
But I'm locked in on the game and then Big Cat barges over and is like, can we put the Spurs game on? I said, the Bruins are on the third period. You said it's over. You're up 2-nothing. This game's over. We can, we can put it on the dual screen.
Yeah, I want to watch both games.
And things went extremely south extremely quickly, shortly after. And I could barely see.
Question. So you—
dual screen is tough to watch.
It's nice. You could barely see because you were taking a piss for two of the goals.
I took a piss right after they scored one of the goals.
But I think you missed another goal too, because I said to you, they just scored again.
No.
Okay. But you, you tried to accuse me of a jinx, but then earlier in this show, you admitted when you were up 2-0, you were thinking about how awesome it would be to have a Bruins-Flyers series.
It would be awesome. Yeah.
Right. But that's, you were thinking ahead.
I was also like, That wouldn't be until the semis.
Yeah, exactly.
So you're thinking 2 rounds ahead.
Yeah, 2 rounds ahead.
Well, I'm just like, you know, I was thinking about the fans. As always, I think fan first. Like when I think about stuff— oh, goal, Knights— I'm always thinking fans first.
You're a hockey guy too.
I'm always thinking about the AWLs. And obviously like Max and Philly couldn't show up for the Celtics-Sixers series to make that exciting. I was like, well, maybe we could do Flyers-Bees, right? That would be fun.
But kind of what a joke of a team to give up 3 goals like one after the other.
Yeah.
I mean, they were just, they were just fucking—
it was actually 4 because there was an empty netter.
And then, yeah, then the empty netter. I forgot about that.
They were just giving muffins away behind the net. Bad. A lot of defensive turnovers, easy goals. Swayman looked like a scarecrow on the second one. It was, it was, it was, it was tough. That's a, that's a momentum. They got it. They got to even it up.
Hot seat Swayman.
Game 2, they gotta even it up. Game 2. No, not, not hot seat.
I'm behind injury.
Are you hitting the panic button?
No, but you gotta win Game 2. You gotta even it up. That's definitely like, we'll see, we'll see how a team responds to that. Hopefully, you know, they can, they can come out and just light it up, but just not how you want to start a series. And yeah, so it's a— playoffs are a roller coaster for Boston.
So yeah, there was 8 minutes left, they're up 2-nothing. And then it was—
and then you changed TVs.
No, I changed TVs like at the beginning of the third period. So you had more than enough time. It's probably actually the minute you started thinking about Flyers-Bruins.
If Buffalo wins the Stanley Cup, that's pretty much a cup for Canada, right? No, it would be so close that they could smell it. They could, they could. If you stood on the border and you had like a powerful enough pair of binoculars, you could see the Stanley Cup.
No, you can't touch it. And that's all that matters. I mean, that is—
they did have— I love the Buffalo fans before the game. They were, they were like beating the fuck out of that, that Bruins mannequin. They were on rollerblades, right?
Yeah.
They were going nuts, like fighting that thing. And then they had— I saw like 4 different Stanley Cups that they had made out of tinfoil that they were just drinking beers out of. I think that they're too drunk to worry about curses.
Yeah. And then, Max, can I get— can I get a recap of the Flyers-Penguins game from Drunk Max?
I was pretty drunk for that game, but his hair right now, you look like you're in Something About Mary. Do I got— I got cum in my hair?
Probably. Yeah.
You've never seen that? There's Something About Mary memes.
Wait, have you not?
I haven't.
I've seen the first 5 minutes. Zach, have you?
Well, I said there's cum in my hair and Memes was like, what? Why did you—
I was like, oh no, Memes doesn't get it.
You might have cum in your hair. You got to watch that. Isn't your favorite comedy like The Zohan?
Not Another Teen Movie, I think, is—
yeah, that's up there. Drop of Thunder is good.
Who's—
who's—
that's my boy.
He loves—
boy, he's the best.
Don't mess with us.
Okay, it's Flyers.
Porter Martone, absolute beast. Okay, absolute beast. That's, that's basically what I got from that game.
Okay.
Okay.
And Malkin still plays, you know?
Yeah, we knew that.
I know. Yeah, I told you, I didn't think so. And then he had 2 points.
And then we had the Hurricanes shutout and the Wild— Wild fucking kicked the shit out of the Stars.
Yeah, that was pretty brutal.
That was crazy.
They jumped on them early.
Yeah.
And is that— is that series over?
No, but it's— I mean, That was pretty nuts. I think the Canadiens-Lightning might be my series to watch. That was an awesome, awesome game.
I think the Sabres-Bruns might be over. Yeah, that's a tough one to come back from.
Wow. Guarantee?
No, it might be over. I think it's over.
I don't.
Okay.
I think you're dead wrong, per usual.
Okay.
Oh, he's not dead wrong, per usual.
He's more wrong than right.
I think all of us are more wrong than right.
We go by the more right than wrong.
We go by baseball rules here.
You literally said this is the best weekend of the year, and then we got to watch 7 out of 8 of the games be fucking—
I just love sports personally. Like, you got—
yeah, yeah, I do too. Second round is where it's at. I told you that. Second round, Kentucky Derby weekend, when it's second round or game 7s. That's when it's— that's when it's cooking.
I reserve the right to call any weekend the best weekend of the year. I said best week of the year and you just misquoted me, but that's fine.
Okay, so you're going to— so we should expect some awesome basketball games coming up.
That actually brings up a good question, Hank. Are the weekends— is that part of the week?
We can't do this.
What do you mean?
When you just said it was— when you just said it was the best week of the year. Are you—
can't do this.
What days do you mean by that?
Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.
Days of the week.
And not Saturday, Sunday.
The week.
That's the weekend.
It was a bad Saturday, Sunday.
Well, those are the weekends.
But that's when all the games were.
And this Monday.
I never said weekend.
This Thursday. You said week.
I was talking about this upcoming week. And somehow I got turned into me talking about this past weekend. But that's fine.
Okay.
So are we eliminating this weekend? You're talking about—
I was not saying this Monday through Friday.
Okay.
I think that 2 weeks of the first round.
Oh, now it's 2 weeks.
I mean, we— this was— we're just replaying the conversation. You guys didn't listen to me the first time. You're probably not going to listen this time. You're just going to, you know, create whatever narrative you want.
I enjoy listening, Hank.
I enjoy the first 2 weeks of the NHL and NBA playoffs more than any other 2-week stretch of the year. Yep.
Okay. Noted. And it's wrong, but noted.
What's your favorite?
I like Feast Week, conference championship week into March Madness, or Feast Week with NFL, which is sometimes Rivalry Week as well. It is Rivalry Week. I actually need one week, just Feast Week.
Cool.
I can do it all in 7 days, unlike you, who needs 14 to prove that we can get one competitive basketball series and hockey. Uh, okay, before we do Who's Back of the Week, there was a big NFL trade. Yeah, crazy massive. Dexter Lawrence traded to the Bengals for the number 10 overall pick. Uh, crazy, out of nowhere. I actually have a theory that they probably did this late at night because they were waiting until Mike Brown was asleep. And because this, this does feel like an atypical Bengals move because you're trading the 10th overall pick, which you have to pay on a rookie salary scale, for Dexter Lawrence, who's been in the pros for 7 years, and you're going to pay him $28, $29 million. I think he signed for $28 million. They waited till he went to sleep, maybe tucked him in. And they're like, we're going to do this trade.
I actually thought that this is an awesome move for Harbaugh. Like, I think Harbaugh— I don't know, he might have gotten the best. This is a really good offer that he got from the Bengals. So I don't want to say that like it was entirely because of this, but I think it was an added bonus for Harbaugh that he got to send Dexter Lawrence back into the division of the team that fired him. Yeah, I thought he's like, yes, at least, at least if I'm getting rid of this awesome player, he's going to play against uh, the, the Baltimore Ravens twice a year, and that's an added bonus for him. But like, if you're gonna get the 10th overall pick—
yeah—
and his stats not always like unbelievable jump-off-the-page stats—
he had a down year last year, but that doesn't— I would take a guy off a down year.
Yeah. And, and they're pretty decent stats. But then when you look at the team defense—
oh yeah—
when he plays versus when he doesn't play, he's one of the best defensive tackles in all football.
He's a game wrecker in that respect. He, he demands— he makes everyone else around him But the Bengals have reconfigured their defense in an impressive fashion, which good for them to finally say, hey, maybe if we can stop a couple other teams, we can, we can win some games because Joe Burrow is going to put up 40 a few times.
I—
people were freaking out. They thought that the Bengals overpaid. I get it. 10th overall pick, it was, it was a little shocking to see that it was just the 10th overall pick and it wasn't like, oh, the Bengals are getting back like, you know, a third round or something else with it. I actually think it's fine because the Bengals are just saying, hand up, we cannot draft defense, so we're gonna just get the guy who we know can play defense. Like, everyone says, oh, you don't give up the 10th overall pick for a guy who's been in the league for 7 years. Maybe you do if you're just— if you're just incapable of drafting defense.
And they gave him an extension too. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So you know what I mean? Like, they took the— they took the gun out of their own hand being like, hey, we can't be We can't be accountable for this. We're going to get a known quantity.
We know that this guy's good. He can't be a bust. He's already certified not a bust, right? But yeah, 10th overall pick, 5th overall pick for the Giants. Pretty, pretty dangerous stuff. They're ready to make some moves.
The other wrinkle I like on this move is that the OBJ to Cleveland trade stays alive. So this is fun. I love whenever this happens. Odell Beckham was traded to Cleveland in 2019 for the 17th overall pick and some other stuff. 17th overall pick was Dexter Lawrence. Dexter Lawrence traded now to the Bengals for the 10th overall pick. So the 10th overall pick is from OBJ. Okay, so it's just gonna keep going. I hope they keep whoever they draft in with the 10th overall pick, I hope someday the, the Giants trade them for another first round pick. But that's right, it just keeps going forever and forever. It's like this is what started all these trades.
It's really OBJ's ghost.
Yeah, exactly.
He's still with us.
It's the ghost pick of OBJ.
I, I do think that Doesn't he want to keep playing? I think he wants to go back to the Giants, right?
I think so.
All right, I'd like to see that.
So there are— how many teams have 2 picks in the first round this year now? The Jets have 2, the Giants have 2, the Cowboys have 2.
Yep.
Who else?
Do the Rams have 2?
Browns? The Rams have—
no, no, the Rams have the Falcons pick.
The Rams traded their other one. Okay, I believe, I believe the Browns have the Jaguars pick. Yes. It's kind of weird seeing like all these teams. So yeah, I mean, it's— if you're a Giants fan, you got to be pumped. Dexter Lawrence is really good and your defense is going to have a hole in it that you got to figure out how to fill. But having the 5th and 10th pick is a fun— that's a fun proposition.
Yeah. You're going to have a very, very entertaining Thursday night. That's what it's all about.
Yeah. It's about this draft is, is, is actually the New York draft. So what do you guys have, memes? You have 2-16. 16. Would you ever rather have 5-10 or 2-16? 5-10, especially in this one. Yeah, especially in this one. But that was, that was crazy trade.
And then Texans gave Will Anderson a massive extension. Yeah, he's now the highest paid non-quarterback.
Good for him. Great for him. Good for him. Uh, okay, let's do who's back of the week, and then we have some more football talk with Todd McShay because it is Draft Week. Great time with Todd McShay. Uh, before we do that, Experian— it's never too late to improve your credit with Experian Boost. You can raise your credit scores instantly for free. Get credit for the bills you're already paying. Add your positive rent, utility, and even streaming payments to instantly increase your credit scores. Boost your credit scores instantly. Experian Boost is completely free and can instantly raise your credit scores. Get better credit scores. Get credit for the bills you're already paying. Increase your credit scores instantly for free. Now paying rent could boost your credit score instantly. Download the app and get started for free today. Results will vary. Not all payments are Boost eligible or considered by lenders. See experian.com for details. We also are brought to you— Who's Back of the Week is brought to you by Twisted Tea. Twisted Tea is refreshing, hard iced tea made with real brewed tea and 5% alcohol. Twisted Tea is the perfect drink to keep the good times going all day and all season long.
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Hank.
Your Who's Back of the Week?
Sick new jerseys! Groundbreaking jerseys. Ravens released theirs Thursday night.
Yeah, massive.
It was pretty crazy how many people showed up for the reveal—
yeah—
of their jerseys that are the exact like I ate.
No, no, they're the exact same jerseys. They changed them exactly.
The piping change going on, they made a whole like Thursday night, like prime time reveal. Yeah, with like a 4-minute video.
Yeah, and the piping—
they're the same jerseys.
They look okay. I think the Ravens had the best redesign, I'd say. No, Rams. Rams, yeah, the best redesign, and then Ravens close second. And then college football playoff, and college football playoff, then the Commanders way down the list.
Is that one of them? I mean, those jerseys are money.
Yeah, this is the—
can we see the old versus new?
This is new Luke McCaffrey, Hank. This is, uh, He might change his jersey number again this offseason if we get another wide receiver and he has to like get paid $50,000 to change it.
Those are sick jerseys.
Yeah, I like it. You know what I don't like about these jerseys? I don't know. Does the font look weird to you?
Yeah, it does.
Yeah, it looks like, like a creative player. Looks like some custom, like a custom, like you type in the last name. It's not an actual like player's jersey.
I got some skinny-ass font. It's like the Henderson. Yeah, like his font was weird. Yeah. No, the, the Commanders obviously had the best readers. If you were to actually power rank them, Commanders won. And then I don't know what changed with the Ravens and the Rams, if we're being totally honest.
Yeah, I couldn't believe I was excited to see the Ravens new ones. And it's just they're the same ones, but same as the Rams. Braylon Mullens also back.
Yeah.
Yeah.
UConn.
That now, Brit, why do I recognize that name?
He was a player on UConn last year.
Oh, do you have any big moments?
He was expected to go to the— I did let his team in the Final Four.
Oh, he's the one who hit the shot against Duke. That's right.
A lot of players in that game had shots.
Yeah, but he hit the last shot, the one that we're like, there was 10 seconds left and then Duke was trying to get the—
why should you do this to yourself?
I just did.
Brandon Lee's back is who's back of the week. That's my job to report on who is back.
And that's what we love.
He is someone that is back.
Like regardless of your personal investment, you're going to deliver the news always right down the middle.
Always.
Mm-hmm.
Fucking right down.
Right, right.
I care. Yeah, I have journalistic integrity.
Yeah, that's fine. Thank you.
Definitely.
It means something to me.
What do you think about the Mike Vrabel situation?
The team? The Patriots?
Just in general.
I think he's a great coach. I think he had a great year, and I'm excited to see what he does with the— with this upcoming year.
Did you see our guys though? Yeah, he's like, I like my job. Yeah, I'm not commenting.
That was his comment.
Is him saying I like my jobs, an all-time line. It's great. He's like, yeah, I like my jobs. What do you want me to say?
Uh, okay, you know what, I'm actually seeing the difference between the— yeah, the white piping, the white Ravens New Jersey, like around the neck collar. It's got the Yep, it's like the stuff that chicks stand in front of if it's painted on a wall and get their picture taken.
Mm-hmm.
They also put Play Like a Raven on the inside of the jersey.
Oh, okay.
And Zach, what did you notice about it?
They went from 3D numbers to 1D numbers. So they D'd down instead of D'ing up.
D'd down.
They should D up.
The D'd up looks way better.
I agree.
They should have won 40.
Oh, I don't hate that move. 40, 40 on the numbers.
I don't know if cloth technology is there yet, but that would have been something.
But you know what?
That would have been something worth talking about.
These—
I mean, this— looking at this picture, it's even worse.
But you know what? They did this because the black jerseys were better with the—
with the— yeah, yellow.
That way they can come back in like 5 years and redesign them again, and they're going to bring back the 3D numbers. And then everybody's going to be like, oh, thank God the 3D numbers are back. Yeah.
A good who's back, Hank.
Thanks. A couple.
Oh, do you want to know who's back?
Bryson being a little bitch.
Oh, I had it.
All right. All right.
No, no, it's okay. Let's talk about it.
Lives back.
He just quit. He's a fucking bitch. Yes. There's the fall of Bryson is so funny because he had that stretch where he was the YouTube, and he was likable.
He beat Rory in the US Open.
Rory in the US Open.
He can't help himself.
He cannot— I, I— what I— my theory, it's not like a novel theory. I think he spent a lot of money on a PR team, and then he started to get a lot of positive reaction, and he's like, I don't need to pay this PR team any money. I, I'm— people love me. He fired the PR team, and he's just fallen back into Bryson.
Well, I think on his YouTube channel, he knows how to like push the buttons to to pretend to be a likable YouTuber. Yeah. And but then once you get him out in the, in like the real world where he has to interact and he doesn't have final cut.
Yeah.
Of a tournament that's taking place live. And then he's just screaming at a rules official about how bad this ground that he has to hit off is. And then I didn't look that bad either. No, it wasn't. He was on the grass. The rules official should have just been like, yeah, my recommendation is that you don't hit the ball over here next time, Bryson. Like, He hit the ball like 40 yards to the right of the green. Imagine, imagine the balls you have to have like Big Cat. Anyone can go online right now, watch the most recent YouTube video from Part of My Take. We play golf on my 7-iron. Yeah, yeah. But like occasionally you guys want to flop that shot anyway. Yeah, we would flop it nice. We know how to flop real nice. We hit a lot of bad shots.
Oh, you think?
I will never be surprised at a situation I find myself in on a golf course. I'll be like, yeah, I did this to myself. That's what you have to— you can't complain to the rules official, be like, yeah, I accidentally hit the ball over the gallery and there's a dirt patch over here. What kind of shitty course do you have us playing on?
One of my favorite things to ever— we do a golf video, which I— it's fun. We have fun going out there with some fun vibes, spring break vibes. So we weren't like under the gun trying to sneak in a golf video with like a million other things to do. But I'll always get people be like, it's, it's so annoying. Big Cat doesn't take this seriously. It's like, what am I? I suck. I golf like 3 times a year. I'm so bad at golf. I should— I be out there being Johnny Hardo on the golf course when, like, when, when someone's like, hey, what do you want to shoot your 150? I'm when I'm like, who cares? Because I— every shot sucks for me. What am I supposed to do? You guys, I suck.
No, just have fun.
If I had time to put in time to get better, I would maybe take it more seriously. I don't have that time right now.
I feel that, right?
Yeah. Thanks to people giving me actual like, hey, you get your backswing is not like— is too short. It's like, I do— I don't— I don't golf enough to get tips. They don't change anything. I don't play enough.
That's the beauty of the internet. You put— you put any swing up there and you'll have a million tips.
I will let everyone know when I start taking golf seriously. Then you will see. I will take all the— I'll take all the criticism, tips, everything. I want all of it until that day comes, until I have the time to actually go out and practice. I'm not going to take golf seriously because I don't have time to do it.
Preaching to the choir, man.
Yeah, right, Hank. You know what I'm saying?
It's not that serious.
But either way, yeah, Bryson is— he just sucks again. The craziest one was the putt that didn't go in from like 5 feet.
Yeah.
And he got so mad.
Yeah.
What?
He gets mad at the course. Yeah. Everything is everyone else's fault.
It's crazy.
It's never a Bryson issue when he walks into a rope. Why the fuck was that rope standing in where my face was going?
Mm-hmm.
That's fucked up. What's this stuff about the 3D-printed 5-iron?
He—
that was 3D.
Well, he 3D prints all of his clubs. But yeah, that was— that was a Masters interview. Yeah, 3D prints all of his clubs.
And one specifically, I think he had to get like last-minute approval.
Yeah.
Well, I think he said they're like—
they're like, hey, because you 3D print your clubs, have you been thinking about making a new one to adjust for some changes for the weekend. And he was like, that's when he was like, obviously not. Like, you have to get approved. Like, there's a long process with the USGA. Like, that couldn't just— I couldn't just make one tomorrow.
Don't you know anything about 3D printing golf clubs? This is basic stuff.
No, so it's like, he has to— he gets them printed, and then, and then the clubs he gets printed have to— whatever. I don't fucking know the process. Obviously no one else does. But yeah, he— the, the reaction to that question was when he was like, Yeah.
I've also been reading some of the replies from like golf physicists. And these are people that I—
it was also a classic no tap excuse of why it was like, it was the most like, I got mad and I'm quit.
My wrist hurts.
I'm just, I'm going home.
But yeah, these golf physicists out there, which is a thing I didn't even know existed until recently, saying that because Bryson does this thing where he has all of his clubs the same length, It's just, it's engineered to have him hit the ball long into the left on every single swing. And then there are people being like, I think Bryson, who won, he's a major champion, would know better than you. And the guy's like, I mean, it's just physics. It's just a physical thing where if he has this type of club, he's going to keep fucking up. And that's all he's been doing. It's fun to watch. I like it.
He's Bryson's back. You guys, you guys kind of agree with my theory? Again, it's not a novel theory, but like, he definitely thought he's like, I got this, guys. Because there was a moment where everyone hated him and then he— the public switched on him and it was like very deliberate. His PR and the way he reacted to things, the way he interacted with people, was like very deliberate. And he's totally backslid into like old Bryson.
Yeah, he lost when he lost. Like, he was in the obviously final group with Rory last year and losing that. Yeah, that was kind of like the momentum, like, oh, everyone was kind of rooting. I mean, myself included, where it's like, I'd rather see Bryson beat Rory here. And then he kind of— he threw that one away and just has not— he's been struggling ever since.
Oh, you know what would be— I would love to see him because we were talking about the death of LIV, and, uh, which is so sad, by the way.
It's not—
it's awesome.
It's not—
it's not—
yeah, it's, it's so back, right? But when it does die, because it will die after this year, everyone said you're gonna die.
Wow, dude. Yeah. Fuck.
Kyle Shanahan. Yeah.
Damn. It would be really funny if they made Bryson go to the Corn Fairy. Would you not agree? Yeah, it'd be great content. I mean, if they want to get the Corn Fairy some views, Bryson will bring views. It's a fact.
I could see Bryson just trying to monetize YouTube. Just be like, I'll start my own.
He's just like, I'm going to win there in an Invitational every year. Yeah, that'll be my money.
Yeah. Dave is going to be my, my new like tour director. No, I think he might have— he might have fired his PR team. I think he's just— he got really into YouTube brain. And then when he's not on YouTube and he doesn't have that filter that he can then very carefully manicure, he falls back into regular Bryson mode. Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. PFT or who's back?
That's a good who's back. Thank you.
We hit 3. We'll go one more. Go around the bases. I— the Red Sox. What? Okay, what happened? They lost.
Oh, Marathon Monday though, they're playing this morning. That's always fun. Okay, shout out to the marathon. Marathon's back. Boston Marathon's back.
There you go, you found your way there.
Even, even walkers.
Yep. No, good luck to all the runners.
It said runners welcome, walkers tolerated, but then they took it down, right?
Yes, because of pace shaming.
I don't know, nobody cares. I think the actual thing was pace Yeah, that's in theory, that's what they did. But if you're running in the Boston Marathon, you have to be a pretty good runner. Oh, you have to qualify for that.
I just love the pace shaming is a thing.
Mm-hmm.
And if you're selling running shoes, walking should not be welcome.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was a good slogan.
In fact, if they're trying to stand up for anybody, like when it comes to pace shaming, that's— it's people like us. And I'm not offended by it.
Yeah. No, it's assholes like us who are like, running a marathon is not impressive. Because in the back of our heads we're like, well, we could just walk it. Yeah, we could. We could lightly jog it for a couple of miles, then walk the rest and say we did it.
I'm going to do it one day.
No, you aren't.
You'll never know because I won't tell you.
You, you hurt your calf every time we do anything.
I just started running again. I forgot I did 2 miles today. Felt good.
I've started. I just started walking again.
Nice. Yeah.
I learned how to walk today.
You're on. You're on your way.
Yeah. All right. PFT, you're who's back?
My who's back is Liv. Liv might be back. They said that they actually have plenty of money. Thank you very much. And they have no idea where all this negative reporting got started at, but they're not in financial trouble and they'll be around for at least the next year.
Stop printing that. Stop saying that.
Stop saying that Liv is in financial trouble because they might not be in as bad financial trouble as they originally thought. Hank, did you see that?
I did.
What's the translation on that?
I don't know.
Do you know what I'm talking about?
Nope.
Are you looking at your phone?
I was looking at my phone.
Yeah, Live.
Live, Love, Laugh, Love.
They're not actually dead.
They're not dead.
So what does that mean?
They just need to find outside funding.
Okay, so we could potentially fund Live.
Yeah, if we got like 10— I don't even know how much, but yeah, we could.
Okay. They're not going to get financial fire.
I'm out.
I feel like the second Saudi Arabia, who has like infinity money, is like, hey, does anybody else want to help us with this bill? Everyone's going to be like, no, absolutely not.
Some sponsors, like a couple of apparel sponsors, like, well, I don't want to shout out competitors to, to, to Roback. There's been some sponsors.
Okay.
How— I think you can probably name one sponsor.
As much as—
Can you name two sponsors?
Yes.
Three?
No. The amount of free airtime that Hank has given them probably makes you like—
Yeah, we are a sponsor.
You're their number three sponsor.
Part of my take is absolutely a sponsor.
You guys bring them up more than I do.
That's just not true. Anyways, my real Who's Back of the Week is AI. AI is back specifically with Zuck. Have you seen Zuck's new thing that he's going to do?
No.
It's very relatable. Very cool. Like, cool CEO of them because he's just like one of the guys. He is creating an AI clone of himself to interact with and provide feedback to employees and handle his Facebook meetings around the office. So instead—
I kind of love this.
Instead of meeting with the people that work underneath him, he's just going to have his AI clone. Appear on like a FaceTime chat with them, uh, and then his AI clone can do the meeting instead of him. And then he can be busy doing, you know, the real stuff, like not getting choked out. Hank, what do you think, Hank?
It's crazy. It's a crazy move.
If you had the technology, how fast would you have AI Hank sitting on that couch?
No, I would not. I would never. AI, you can't— this brain AI could not come close to what this brain is.
AI Hank would be golfing.
Give your AI clone a day off.
Yeah. No, give your AI clone, like, golf lessons.
No, that's the funny— like, Hank's AI clone would fucking hate Hank because it would just want to golf, and Hank would be like, you have to go do my meetings.
You get your AI clone addicted to golf.
Your AI clone would hate your guts, dude. I would love an AI clone of myself, though. I would.
Yeah. Be fun.
Like, just to send it to do all the shit that you— Yeah, you don't want to do.
Yeah, absolutely. Okay. My Who's Back of the Week is Diana Rossini. What happened? She saved someone's life.
Yeah.
And a dog.
And a dog's life.
I can't believe this is real. But on Friday, the headline is Diana Rossini mounts daring rescue of elderly man, dog trapped in car crash a week after Mike Vrabel scandal. Listen, whatever you, whatever you want to say about, we talked a lot about it. Uh, she deserves credit for this. She seems like this guy was in trouble and she acted very quickly.
So it was a good job. It was an elderly guy. They had pictures, they had pictures of the car.
It was fucked up.
And the car was really fucked up. It got overturned and then she was driving apparently right behind the car. And then, um, with the help of a tall man, She got on top of the car and then reached in, pulled the elderly man out along with the dog. And then somebody that was— the New York Post keeps using the word spy in all their articles, which I don't— I don't know if that's something that they always do, but they said they had a spy on the scene that then said like what happened to everybody. Like, that's the best PR that money can buy.
Unbelievable.
That's like PR 101.
Like naturally drive up on this.
It's some Tim Tebow shit.
Yeah.
Besides the sex. Yeah. Yeah. But it's Yeah, pretty incredible.
The tall man. And I saw the one comment that said PFD. No, he has good alibi.
Good alibi. Yeah. It's all confirmed.
Very firm, man.
I was not at the scene.
Yeah. Okay. That would actually have been— that would have been funny if like the— if the person having to climb out of the car like had to jump and they— and she finger locked at the bottom.
Yeah. Not again.
Like here, jump in here.
Not again.
Fuck. This picture's gonna go out again. All right, Zach.
Uh, my Who's Back of the Week this week is gonna be The Sidemen for their annual Sidemen charity match that just took place this weekend. Did you guys catch any clips from that?
The Sidemen?
Yes, sir.
How— hold on.
Yes.
Can I take a timeout? We can take a tea. How the fuck was your Who's Back of the Week not I Show Speed at WrestleMania?
That was the second one.
Oh, okay, good. All right, give me The Sidemen first. Oh, this was the thing you were watching.
Yeah, I was watching the prep. They do a round of training the day before.
Who, who are these people?
So the Sidemen is a— they're huge, objectively the biggest like 7-man in Europe when it comes to YouTube. But it's like KSI, Vikkstar, MiniMinter, Behzinga.
All of them combined, how are they bigger than IShowSpeed?
Uh, Speed Special. But the Sidemen are on their own right are pretty massive.
So they're just dudes that are hanging out and love to do shit together?
Yeah, and they've been doing it for— since I was a little kid.
Yeah, they're like Barstool England.
They, uh, it's like Dude Perfect.
No, no, we can't put Dude Perfect slander on the Sidemen. The Sidemen transcend something like Dude Perfect. Okay, they, uh, they're like Practical Jokers. Uh, yeah, that, that would be a good comp.
Okay, what does Sidemen mean?
Good comms.
On the comp, they're a sideman.
Yeah, but what's a sideman?
If we're all— when there's 6 of us right now, we could be 6 sidemen.
But wait, I—
you guys are front men.
Oh, you guys are just—
so these guys, these guys are all the sidemen for themselves? It's like, oh, like the Three Musketeers.
Who's the main—
for all, all for one.
Objectively, the biggest sideman would be, uh, KSI or JJ.
Oh, I've heard of KSI.
Yeah, KSI would be the biggest one, but I think some of the, the beautiful thing about the Sidemen and some of their prolonged success is just because there's— everyone has peaks and valleys. Like, Vikkstar's had a big couple of years, and then MiniMinter has a good couple of years, but they, they stay an equal 7.
They're, they're friends.
Uh, yeah, I would, I think so.
Okay, nice.
A watcher outside looking in. So what they do, they just had their annual charity match, uh, second year in a row they did it at Wembley, sold it out. Out, 90,000 seats, did like $8.3 million for charity, one match. So get it, they get a lot of, uh, guys together to play against each other on the pitch, and then they raise a bunch of money for charity. It's a beautiful thing.
That's cool.
And then your other who's back, uh, other who's back of the week would be WrestleMania. Yeah, I don't know if you guys saw, uh, IShowSpeed's WrestleMania debut, was in a 3v3 match, didn't quite go his way, didn't get the win. One of his teammates in the 3v3, Logan Paul, was then a little disgruntled, so Speed had to hit him with an all-time move. Top rope splash, looked to be about 20 feet in the air, puts him through a table.
Mm-hmm.
And that just speaks to like—
it was a very athletic move by IShowSpeed.
Unreal athleticism.
Yes, I'll give you that, Zach.
Trump could never. No, I was gonna say we're all thinking one guy who could never make that jump, but Never, never be in the WWE.
Shit. He's got you there.
Not from— not from the rope like that.
Not from the rope like that. Did you see Ayesha Spears jump?
I've seen Trump get stunnered.
Yeah, but this was a sick jump, Hank. They were like, don't do that. No way. He can't do it. And then he did it.
And then did— did that guy go, oh, as God is my witness.
Oh, fuck. It was pretty sick. So shout out to your boy.
I Show Speed got some height on that jump.
He did get some height. That's impressive.
As far as like a debut, like, I know people have a lot to say about WWE, but, uh, no, that's a risky jump.
That was a cool move. I all credit to I Show Speed there. Absolutely.
So this is standard stuff.
No, it's not. Who'd he get beat by?
So they went up, it was a 3v3 match. It was the Usos brothers, so Jey and Jimmy, and the LA Knight went up against Austin Theory, Logan Paul, and Speed. But then Logan Paul turned on him after they lost, saying they cost him his Mania. And so he was like, all right, well, I guess I'll just have to hit you with the top rope splash.
Mm-hmm.
Oh, I do have one more who's back. Oh yeah, the Mets.
Hmm. Yeah, we were going to talk about it. We'll talk about it after. So at the end of the show, we'll talk memes. And Zach and I went to the Mets-Cubs game on Saturday, and then we also have some Monday reading as well. Before we do that, let's—
oh, I do have one more who's back. Oh yeah. Tottenham.
Oh yeah, Zach updated me personally.
Tottenham's back.
Because I was sitting next to you. Good point.
Tottenham, they got a result. They were winning and then with like, I think it was in the 95th minute. So they were 5 minutes into added time out of, I think, 8 total minutes of added time. They gave up a heartbreaking goal. So they got a tie instead of a win. Now, if you look at it, to be relegated, Tottenham is now at -130.
They're 1 point back from West Ham.
Yeah.
So last week West Ham has an extra game to play though. That's the problem.
Well, that's an extra opportunity for a point.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Yeah. Yeah. For a problem for Tottenham. So last week I think they were reversed and Tottenham was +150 to be relegated and West Ham was -130. Now they switched. Now Tottenham is actually favored to be relegated at the end of the season because Nottingham Forest got 3 points. So important.
3-3.
They've got a 54% chance of relegation right now.
Wow.
They've also yet to win a home game in 2026.
Whoo! Not good.
That's crazy.
Also, for account points, they had of the last 45 points available, they got— they took 6 of them.
Oh, you got to get more points than that.
Man City won a big one, too.
What does that have to do with anything?
Man City over Arsenal for the top.
So what's Man City?
Oh, you're sure. What does that have to do with anything?
I thought we were just talking soccer.
Oh, yeah.
No, we are talking soccer. No, no, that's a fact.
We are.
We are 100% talking.
Is Man City the place that Tom Brennaman got in trouble for talking about?
No, it's Man City's one of the London teams.
Oh, that's right.
Yeah.
But no, no, Birmingham.
Man City and Arsenal are fighting for the, for the championship.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But Man City— I think Arsenal's still in first.
Yeah, but Man City beat them today, so now it's— now it's in.
Now it's on.
Or maybe not today.
Oh, what's today? It's on now.
It's on.
No, Max is right. This, uh, Arsenal— I, I go— I base everything I know about the EPL table off of Za. And like 3 months ago, Za was like literally dancing through the office, like doing jigs throughout the office because Arsenal was finally gonna— they were gonna win the EPL this year. They were so far ahead.
But isn't this just a situation like Man City's a London club? They got all the money. Arsenal's not. They don't have money, right?
They're from Ars, right?
Yeah.
And like, Man City objectively should be relegated just for doing weird stuff with the money.
Yeah, they're—
yeah, bad guys.
They got investigated last year, right?
Yeah.
Like, I thought they were going to get a bunch of penalties and shit, but I assume it's just like penalties are never big enough.
The real penalty should be relegation because they're— they just print— they're going to have the money for the penalties. Like, yeah, we'll go find that, but I like that.
The real penalty should be losing all your friends.
Yeah. Teach them a lesson. Take them away.
Arsenal. I think the moral is like Arsenal, they can get off to a hot start, but a Scottish team is never going to win the EPL.
Facts. Okay, let's get to our interview. We got Todd McShay. We're talking NFL Draft. PFT, you got a couple of ads before we do that.
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Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest, our good friend, long time recurring guest. It is draft season. It is Todd McShay. He is the number one NFL draft analyst for The Ringer. You can go listen to his show, The McShay Show.
Just for The Ringer.
Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, well, yeah, actually you're number one overall, but I, you know, that I wanted to shout where you work. You are number one overall.
Stephen Che. Yeah.
Well, let's start with this. The, the, was there a part of you, was there a part of you last year that you're like, You know, you love Mel, you consider him a very dear friend, but he had a meltdown about Shador and you're like, yeah, look, I'm number one.
You want the honest truth on that?
Yeah.
I was like, I wish I was there right now.
Yeah. Yes, absolutely.
For him. Oh, for him. Because I think we could have like, we could have channeled that a little bit. Yeah, that's the only time since I've left, since I have parted ways with ESPN, where I was like, I'd like to be on that set. We could have kind of maneuvered this a little bit, you know. We would have made it. Yeah, but, um, yeah, that was wild.
He turned out to be right though.
Pro Bowler, right?
Like, egg on everyone else's face. You made fun of Mel. Mel Kiper was like, there's a Pro Bowl quarterback that's in the 5th round, how is he not being picked? He was completely vindicated against all odds on third and long.
Yes, well, that's when I knew.
Yeah, so sure, run with the Pro Bowler thing. Um, we will.
Thank you.
Honestly though, like, I used to needle him for years, like, would you stand on it with a quarterback? Like, stand on it, please. Like, you know, and I— because I, like, I had to bash Tebow and Claussen and, and, and Quinn, and, and, and so there are certain guys, like, I would, I would stand on that, that hill.
Yeah.
And I felt like he just kind of was up, you know, he's really good and this guy's really good. And so to see him like, no, this is my guy no matter what, let's go, I'm riding with him. Yeah, I was pumped about that part.
Yeah, I actually don't mind it. I like the passion from him. It was interesting. It gave us something to talk about. It might have been a little bit over the top, but I mean, like, that's ultimately why we watch TV is for like insane moments like that, right?
I get it though, because like the older I get and the longer I've been doing this, 26 years now, right? I used to not be this angry on certain things, you know? And there's certain things that happen where I'm like, I used to be like, well, you know, and rationalize it and talk through it. And this could happen or that could happen. And now I'm like, get out of here, man. Like, stop, you know? And like, so I get it. And he's got another, like, I don't know, 15 or so years on me. I don't know how long he was doing it prior to me, but So I can see why, like, just don't care anymore. Like, give zero, you know?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right, so going off that, um, maybe this is your chance now. Like, who is the one guy in this draft that you would cry if he wasn't drafted before the 5th round?
Ooh, before the 5th round?
Yeah.
Um, well, I mean, if you want to go with the quarterbacks, I think the guy that everyone's missing on is Cole Payton, the North Dakota State guy. I, I'd like I put on his tape, and I'm not talking first, second. I'm talking like he should go third as a developmental guy who can help out short yardage and do different things. I put on his tape initially and I was like, oh gosh, here we go, another Tim Tebow. He's a lefty, tight upper body, unique throwing, like, and he was, he was basically like this, this hybrid fullback, quarterback, running back for 3 years at North Dakota State, 1 year starter. Like, I'll get through this tape, but like, he's just not. And then I keep watching And I'm like, he's hitting spots like, like off-platform guys hanging from, you know. So I, I think he's a guy that I view— like, give me Cole Payton over Drew Aller every single day.
Oh, I like that. All right, so let me ask a question about that, and this is a more philosophical, in-the-room, uh, how teams operate. Is there any part of like the scouts and the NFL community that says Trey Lance didn't work out. We don't want to be the guys who then take another chance on— and it's a little different because it's not a first-round pick you're saying for Cole Payton, but we don't want to be the guys who look stupid by taking another guy from North Dakota State and like, we love this.
What's interesting is that their preparation, like their verbiage, you know, like their play calls, it is very NFL-like. Like, you've got to be smart to pick that up. The way they prepare, they're prepared for the NFL. Now Carson Wentz, like, it didn't, it didn't finish the way it started and the way it looked like it could, um, but that was a unique case in one individual. Trey Lance is a unique case in one individual. Um, this guy Cole Payton, like, I don't see any— I don't see the same flags or concerns with him outside of the one year of starting. And again, you're gonna get him in like the third round, fourth round at the latest, right? So, and I'm not sitting— I don't want to make this the Cole Payton show.
I, I, we could.
I just— you're gonna cry if he doesn't get drafted.
If he doesn't get drafted by the fifth round, we're gonna have you on. I'm gonna be on Sunday. Yeah, and Sunday night, and we're gonna demand tears. You can come on for 30 seconds.
It's gonna be the same thing.
Brian Hoyer—
I remember sitting in the Radio City Music Hall, right? And I was allowed to sit on the desk of day 3 of the draft, right? It was like me and Herm Edwards, uh, Trey Wingo. And my big thing that year was Brian Hoyer. Like, not a first round or not, but like, Brian Hoyer should be a third round pick. He's going to be a great backup who could start in this league. And somehow it just took a— took on a life of its own to where Brian Hoyer was sitting there, I think the fourth round or whatever it was, whatever grade I had on him, he went like 2 rounds later. 3 rounds later. And there were people who were, you know, those people, those folks that were inside Radio City Music Hall on day 3 were psychos.
Oh yeah.
And I mean that mostly in a good way, but some of them I don't mean in a good way. They started chanting like, Brian Hoyer, like for half a round, to the point where Charlie Casserly brought me over. I was like, hey, don't, don't get affected by that. Like, it's okay. It was like this whole thing going on. He's like, listen, I got, I got railed for taking, um, what's his name, the defensive lineman, Mario, Mario Williams over, over Reggie Bush. Yeah, over Reggie Bush. Like, I know the feeling, so just hang in there. But, but yeah, I'll have a similar feel or feeling if we get to round 5 and Cole Payton's not off the board. I'll be pissed.
All right, so here's what we're going to do. You're going to— if we get to round 5 and he doesn't get picked, I want— we want a video. We demand a video for the AWLs, for our listeners, of you like half whining, half crying, being like, how can How did they not take this guy?
And then we'll be good. I'll take it inside the studios at Spotify on Saturday and I will, I'll send it to you.
Okay. All right. So let's, let's, let's start from the top of the draft. How about big picture? Uh, big picture, strongest positions and overall, like where you guys, where you're landing with this draft in terms of how many first rounders you actually have graded.
Um, strongest positions: edge rusher, wide receiver. Most unique position, and with the urgency, is offensive tackle. Let's go edge rusher. Like, right off the top, we're going to see guys go. It's going to be David Bailey or Arvell Reese at 2 to the Jets, right? Um, whoever doesn't get picked there is going to go in the next probably couple picks. Okay, um, then it's Reuben Bain, and yes, we've got the short arms. Um, I, I think he's somewhere 7 to 14 is the Baltimore Ravens would be my range for him. Then you've got this kind of next tier of Keldrick Falk, who I'm a lot higher on than some people seem to be. And some teams are like, yeah, he's a top 20 player. Others are like, yeah, I think he's late first, early second. Big, tall, long, explosive player, can rush outside, inside, uh, coming out of Auburn. But, but only 2 sacks a year ago. Just turned 21. He's a young kid, he's gonna have to learn on the fly. Um, then we've got a bunch of other edge rushers, right, that goes deep into the second round with the, the Cassius Howells, the TJ Parkers, the R.
Mason Thomases, uh, Zion Young from Missouri, um, and, and, um, Malachi Lawrence from UCF, who was the most explosive of the edge rushers, the true edge rushers, excluding Arvell Reese at the Combine. Um, so, so that class is deep. You can get them in the first, you can get them in the second, um, and you can get a few in the third. Wide receivers deep too, but it's interesting because there's, there's probably 6 receivers that are going to come off the board. And when Carnell Tate goes, you're going to see that first run. It's Carnell Tate from Ohio State, it's Jordan Tyson from Arizona State. A little bit of durability concerns there, depends on team to team. But, but Tyson is maybe the just the most talented wide receiver in the class. Then you got Makai Lemon, perfect fit in McVay's system. I think 13 is the, the home for him, or at least it looks like that would be the best fit. Then within the first round, you get the— that's the first tier. The second tier is Casey Concepcion from A&M, Omar Cooper Jr. from Indiana, and Denzel Boston from Washington. Then there's this kind of drop-off, and I can already hear Kuyper, like, when we get to the second round on Friday night, I'm sure he'll— there'll be something about like the killer bees wide receiver, second round, with, um, with Brazel.
And, and, uh, Brazel's one of them. Uh, Branch is one. Boston will have already gone Brazel, Branch, and, and who's the third? There's, um, there's a third B at wide receiver. Let me— I can't believe I'm, I'm failing you here. But, um, you have to have like Brazel from names.
I do not Do not apologize to us.
How many names would you—
Zachary? Oh, Chris Bell.
Okay, okay. Yeah, how many names you have in your head right now?
400.
Jesus.
Yeah, that's a lot of names.
That's too many, too many names.
Bell from Louisville, Brazel from Tennessee, and Branch. So then, and after— and, uh, watch out for Dajon Stribling from Ole Miss. So those 4 guys go in the second, but then you get to the third and you still got a bunch of dudes. You got Trey Lance's younger brother from North Dakota State. You've got, um, you got Antonio Williams from Clemson and, and Dion Burks from, from Oklahoma, Jeremy Bernard from Alabama, Ted Hurst who had an awesome Senior Bowl, Georgia State player, terrible team but he's like 6'3" plus, runs in the 4.3, he's explosive. So the receivers are gonna— it's gonna be loaded in the top 100 the first 3 rounds. Okay, offensive tackles, there's just 7 of them. That's why I went on those rants. So you better get one in the first, and I think they could all be gone in like the top 25, 28 picks. And so while Maui Noa is probably like the 11th or 12th best player in this draft, I think a team could take him as high as 3 in Arizona or 6 in Cleveland, right? And then Spencer Fano from, from Utah, who started at left tackle as a freshman, 24 games at right tackle, athletic guy, he's gonna go.
And then after that, you've got Blake Miller, who's like 54 starts, highest character, long, physical, strong mauler, right? Just consistent across the board. He's gonna go. Monroe Freeling, just 18 starts, but just an absolute physical phenom from Georgia. He's gonna go. Um, Max Iyanacho is rising up boards. Nigerian-born, comes to America at 13, plays basketball and soccer, AAU basketball star. Coach is like, dude, you like a football player. He, he latches on to East LA Community College for a couple years. The Fresno State offensive line coach sees him and is like, I want to bring him in, recruiting him. That guy gets hired by Kenny Dillingham at Arizona State, and he said, we got to bring this young man in. Like 5 months later, he's starting games, doesn't even really know how to play. 2 and a half years later, he's gonna be a first-round draft pick. It's an awesome story. So, and, and Caleb Lomu, the other Utah offensive tackle— so there's gonna be 7 guys that go after that. There's not an offensive tackle you feel good about drafting in the, in second round. So they're all going to get bumped up.
I love that. I like the— I like having a little scarcity in a position like that.
It is good. Yeah, so there'll be a run on those guys. I think Colin Cowherd said that, uh, that the Commanders are looking at taking an offensive tackle, which would be just absolutely insane if we did that.
I haven't heard—
I haven't heard that. I mean, maybe. I'm not saying he's wrong, but you can be sitting there with Jeremiah Love. I don't think Sonny Styles anymore. I think Styles could go go— the Ohio State linebacker could go 4 to Tennessee, he could go 5 to the Giants, right? Um, and I don't see him getting past those 2 spots. So, but Jeremiah Love could be sitting there, or he— if he winds up going, I think Washington could wind up maybe trading back. It would be a possibility. Um, they don't have a 2nd round pick.
Yeah.
And by the way, like, bud, who's your— who's your wide receiver? Like, what's your wide receiver room look like? So if I'm sitting there and Stiles is gone and Jeremiah Love's gone on, don't I just kind of want to take Carnell Tate and put him with McLaurin? And now we, now we have some weapons. Are we going to ruin Jayden Daniels? Like, what, you know what I mean?
You're forgetting about Luke McCaffrey. It's okay, it happens. He was injured last year.
But I'm not— this is—
yeah, you forgot about Luke. You've got 400 names in your brain and, and zero of them were—
Jaylen Lane is, is, is, is a guy. But we're talking 3s and 4s and 5s. We're not talking about a number 2. Yeah, in that new system with David Blough coming in and he's looking for physical receiver, like Carnell Tate sitting right there, that would be hard to pass up on.
No, you're right.
I was just saying it was funny that Cowherd did it because he was doing the thing of like, oh, you have a young quarterback, so you have to invest in protecting them, when you just— like, we just extended Larry Mutunsel and drafted a tackle in the first round last year, right? But, but yeah, so I, I think that's going to be an interesting spot. I do think that we want to trade back ideally and, uh, and get some more picks. But when you were going through the list of teams, like you were talking about, uh, the, uh, the possibilities for Bain, and you said 14 would be the latest you could see him going. That was like an aha moment in my brain. And maybe it's just because we're, we're kind of used to dealing with this almost every draft where the Ravens get up and they take a guy, and we're like, how, how did that guy end up falling to the Ravens?
Um, it's like this weird skill they have of just being patient, and you want to say lucky, but every year it seems like, oh, that guy is falls to him. He should have been taken 5, 7, 15 picks earlier, right?
Like Hamilton was the biggest, like, no shit, of all time when he fell to them. And, uh, yeah, so they're at 14, the Steelers are at 21. So that one missed field goal, that's a big 7 spots.
Isn't that wild?
That, that made up. Yeah. But so I guess my question about Bain is, you know, we— I think we should talk a little bit about the arms. I know that I looked at the— at his wingspan too. His wingspan isn't that bad.
Head.
It's just his arms. He's got like a wide chest and short arms, but I guess that doesn't really make so much of a difference when it comes to like getting guys off you. But how much of an impact do you think teams are, are taking into account the fact that he's got freakishly small arms?
It varies from team to team, and it varies from defensive line coach to defensive line coach, and it varies from, um, how much you factor in like analytics and in, in your, in your scouting department, okay? The problem is, as a general manager, you just don't want to draft a bunch of outliers, right? Like the old Parcells things, like I'm gonna have a roster full of outliers. Um, but you would— you watch the tape and you're like, I don't— like, yeah, occasionally I can see a short arm thing when he gets— he, you know, there's a 35-inch guy and he gets into the pads. But, but like, how much did that show up in the college football playoff run? How much? Like, he was phenomenal this past year. And, and he's a leader and he's a tough guy and he sets a tone. And so you're kind of weighing all those things, and from team to team it varies a little bit. But the teams that rely a lot on analytics and the GMs that are worried about outliers— like, there is the— you go back 20 years, there's not a first-round edge rusher who's been drafted with shorter than 31-inch arms.
And there's not a guy— from my understanding, what I've read— is there's not a guy who's been a double-digit sack edge guy in the league in the last 20 years with sub-31-inch arms. So those are, those are scary, right? And it's not dissimilar from Ty Simpson's tape. Is awesome for 9Ks, and you see all the NFL stuff he's doing. But give me the list of guys who draft, who were drafted in the first round at that position with sub-20 starts, and it, it's ugly, right? So that's the whole thing with Reuben Bain. You know, he's a damn good football player, and there's going to be some teams that are just like, don't care. Like bring him in. And, and I applaud them for that. I say 7 to 14, um, you know, just, just looking at it, I don't think Washington necessarily, um, I know Cleveland would like to take an offensive tackle but could move out of that spot. So, so maybe it starts at 8 with, uh, maybe I should have said 8 to, to 14 with, um, but you look at it like the Saints could take him. They need that for, for Brandon Staley's defense.
The Chiefs could take him. They need an edge rusher, but they also need an offensive tackle. They also need a wide receiver. So they also need a cornerback. Um, you get down to, to 10 with Cincinnati. They could take him, although I hear that's kind of the parachute for Caleb Downs, the safety from Ohio State. Miami at 11, I, I think they're probably gonna go corner, um, but I wouldn't completely rule it out. Um, sitting at 12, you've got the Dallas Cowboys. So I don't think the Rams are taking him, but I think Baltimore could. So that's why let's go with 8 to 14, I'd say, would be the range for Bane.
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Uh, Todd, you know, I, I, we're Football guys, guys, we love football, but we're also not the smartest. So I try to make things as easy as possible. Do this for me. If I told you right now you had the pick between— you're taking a running back, you had to pick between Saquon Barkley, all coming out same age, Saquon Barkley, Bijan Robinson, and Jeremiah Love. Oh, and Ashanti Gentry. Those 4 guys. Can you rank those 4 guys? Because I'm the biggest Jeremiah Love guy and I think he's kind of getting slept on even though he's gonna go somewhere in the top 5, maybe 10. Where would you rank that in terms of like stud, can't miss, first round running backs when they were coming out of the draft? When they were coming out, if you would draft them?
Yeah, Saquon 1. Okay, Bijan, Bijan 2, Love 3, Gentry 4.
How close is it between Love and Bijan?
It's not a massive gap. Okay, I think I had like a 97 grade. I go back and double-check, but I think it was like a 97 on Saquon, a 96 on, on, um, on Bijan, and a 95 on Love. Okay, 94 I think it was on, on Jinty. So it kind of just stacks like, you know, um, it's not, not a massive difference, but But I think Bijan was— Bijan just had a little bit more completeness. Bijan had a little— he's just like, I don't know, just a little bit more power, I think. But like, we're talking fractions here, right? I love watching Jeremiah.
Love—
like, it's almost— you can almost see the NFL films, right? Like, it's this sweetness about him where like every great back, you just put on like the NFL films music and watch, right? There's this— it starts with like the sweet music. With like the, the slaloming down the, the mountain. There's a spin move, you know, flipped in there. Then at the end it becomes just like rough tumble, you know, where they're like banging and guys are falling. There's like carnage everywhere. So what you get with him, and then there's occasionally this run where they get a crease and they just go. But all of those backs, if you watch the NFL films too, they're catching swing passes, they're catching something, they're making one guy miss, and it's the same thing.
Thing.
Jeremiah Love averaged 10.4 yards per catch, man.
Yeah, right.
Like, you're getting— and like, let's not do the Christian McCaffrey thing with him because it's not what you're getting. But you're getting someone just like Bijan. Like, there, there's an extension to the run game and into the passing game that you get with him that makes him special. And so it's going to be tough. Like, if I'm sitting there and I'm Arizona, and I, I've been saying this just after the combine. There's a voice inside that Arizona building that's pushing hard for Jeremiah Love. I don't know if it's singular or if there's multiple, but don't rule out Arizona at 3, even though they brought in Tyler Allgeier. They've got Connor— James Conner coming off the injury. They've got Benson. Don't rule that out. He's just the best player in the draft. Don't rule out 4 for, for Tennessee, even though honestly I'm starting to hear more and more about could be the edge. And also could be, can we get our Fred Warner for this defense? But my pushback would be, if I'm Mike Borgonzi at Tennessee, is like— and if I'm Brian Dayball and I'm pitching for Jeremiah Love, like, bro, what got you fired in New York, right?
And then honestly, it's the same thing for Dayball, like the offenses, right? Right. And so are we going to do this again? Like, we'll get you a guy who can play that Fred Warner spot and but like, we've got to— we got this young quarterback that needs easy pitch and catches. We need, we need to run the football. Now we got two backs with him and Pollard. So that Mike Borgonzi's decision at 4 is going to be really telling.
Yeah, I, I am a dumb person. I, I don't consider myself to have like a high rate of accuracy.
For a couple dumb people, you guys get some really good bank accounts, you know.
Yeah, okay, well, that's—
yeah, if you look across the world, yeah, like there's a a lot of really stupid fucking people that are loaded. Uh, but when you look at like my track record when it comes to being like, I think that's a good pick, I think that's a bad pick, I'm throwing darts. I don't, I don't really know. I just go with what my balls tell me, and my balls are wrong.
Josh Allen was the greatest.
Yeah, the greatest.
Yeah, we've been doing a victory lap on that for, for 6 years.
But, and it didn't start as a troll or anything like that.
No, no, not at all. It was a real thing.
I can tell at the combine, the combine, the first time I said, you ass clowns at the combine just wearing people out. He's got a big arm.
Yeah, we were mocking your entire profession, Todd, and then I was somehow getting right on all of it.
Yeah, and I knew you guys well, and it like through Dave and like the combine we did, and I'm just sitting there like, oh man, they gave these guys credentials.
Well, no, it actually is right.
Like, we were making fun of the entire industry and then, and then we were right about through a troll, and then we took credit over the rest of the industry.
Your alarm's going off.
Yeah, we took credit over the industry based on the fact that we used your takes against you. Yeah, it's really a mindfuck. But what I'm saying is, like, with the Cardinals, if they took Love, I would— I would— my reaction would be like, that is the stupidest pick that they could make. Like, because the Cardinals have a laundry list of things that they need to take care of.
Yeah, that's the problem.
I, I don't disagree. Like, the Raiders Raiders were premature in taking Ashton Gentry, but like this year we may see Gentry just take off.
Yeah, the Giants with Saquon— like, Saquon was never a bad player. It's just like, you can't— when you have that many holes to fill, drafting a running back is just not what—
it's more of a luxury, or it has to fit like where you are as an organization. I, I don't disagree. And you only got— honestly, if you're going to draft one high high, you better have— you better be ready to, to get production out of them for the next 5 years, because chances are, like, you, you'd much rather get them at this contract than have to pay them that second one, right? So I'm squeezing the juice out of a running back if I'm taking them that high. And so if we're not going to make a run in the next 5 years, then what, what are we doing, you know?
Yeah, yeah, I agree. So with, uh, with the second pick, the Jets, there were a lot of indications they were looking at Bailey. Uh, they canceled their meeting with Bailey, who was going to come up and visit. Um, I don't know if that's a small one.
It was weird, man. It— yeah, I don't know. I don't know what to make of it. I, I— my gut tells me don't make a lot of it, but I also— my experience tells me that it's just different. So I don't like different this time of year. And my, my experience also tells me, like— and I confirmed it— like, they, they, they canceled it. Um, you know, she's like, we got all the information we needed. From, from our trip to Lubbock and sent all the brass down there. I, and I get that. And honestly, like, half of me is like, don't read anything into it, who cares, you know? The other half is like, well, then why'd you schedule it? And, and, and if he is the pick, wouldn't you want it— like, I don't care, bring him in, get to know him a little, little bit better. You should want to hang out with the facilities. Um, let's talk scheme, let's get you on the board a little bit more, let's go through some stuff that we're gonna— let's give you a playbook. Like, Like, Mendoza's been working with, with Brian Greasy preparing him for the Raiders.
Like, it's an unofficial role that Brian Greasy's in, who I've obviously worked with for several, several years at ESPN. He was the quarterback coach, um, for the San Francisco 49ers. Excuse me. Long history with the Shanahans and Kubiaks, right? So like, it's unofficial, but we're, we're reading, we're getting— and quarterback's different from edge, I get it. But wouldn't you just want a day with the guy that you're planning on drafting? Like, no matter what the circumstance? I don't know, it's just that, that one felt a little weird. And I've had conversations, and I know as of this past weekend it wasn't done. It was a heavy lean to Bailey, the sense was, okay, um, but, but it wasn't done. And there were more meetings on Monday and Tuesday and Wednesday. And, and there was this element of, as everyone said across the league, if you draft Arvell Reese, you better have a plan with your coordinator. Well, the coordinator there is the head coach in AJ Aaron Glenn. And so So maybe as they put their final touches on everything, it's, hey, GM thinks Bailey's a slightly higher grade, but if we've got a perfect plan for, for Arvell Reese, he's got a higher upside, let's, let's take it.
And we, we're not trying to win, we're trying to win just enough games to keep our jobs and keep everyone happy in 2026, but not too many games where we can't go get the number one overall quarterback with the three first-round picks. So, right, it's going to be fascinating to see what they do. And honestly, for me, it's gonna be fascinating to see if we get that information before like Wednesday.
Yeah, so my, my thought was that they canceled the meeting because you only get a certain amount of visits and the Jets pick again in the first round. They've got a lot of picks, so they want to maximize the number of guys that they could bring in.
But it was the last day, wasn't that the last day of 30 visits?
Yeah, I don't know. I don't think it was—
yeah, I don't think they like—
again, I'm not like reading too— I'm not reading too much into it. I'm just— I, I don't like things that aren't— that we don't have experience with this time I just don't like them. And that's one I can't remember, like a high— a team drafting 2 with the opportunity to bring in the player that is, let's call it 50-50. Why would you turn that opportunity down? I don't know. I'm sure they have a really good reason. I'm sure it's not a big deal. That's all the reports that are coming out. So like, I'm probably reading too— I'm not even reading too much into it. It's just like, huh, interesting.
Yeah. Meme, so Meme's a Jets fan. What's your reaction to the visit?
Thing. No, I'm with you guys. Like, if he's going to live there, might as well, you know, show him around, show him his home, right?
If you like him, yeah, you should want to spend an extra day with him.
Yeah, yeah. Like, give him the get used to it. You also just use every visit because you never know when a guy becomes a free agent or he's on a trademark. It's like you just have more information. I just don't know why you wouldn't use more information. Like, it's free information. So that's the part that's confusing to me. Yeah.
And if they chose another player that they're trying to get last-minute information on because it just like, I could, I can see that. I just don't know that information yet, and I probably, maybe I won't know until after the draft. I'll find out eventually, but I'm just curious. It's just interesting, you know?
Yeah. Um, all right, can we talk quarterbacks real quick? So Fernando Mendoza is going one to the Raiders. Everyone knows that. Uh, Ty Simpson feels like the second quarterback is. Was it close for you at all, or was it always easy Fernando Mendoza is the, is November, November 1st?
Honestly, I thought that we, we had a real situation on our hand with Dante Moore. Mendoza and Simpson. The best tape of the three come like— I don't want to put a specific date, but around, um, Halloween, November 1st, that was, was Simpson. Um, Brent Venables came to town at one point and kind of laid out a blueprint for how to beat their protection, which was a little inconsistent and was gettable. Um, and from that point on, protection wasn't great. Bear Bryant would throw up in his grave if he knew that they, they ranked 125th in the, in the nation in rushing. Um, there, remember, like, you look at, um, Ryan Williams coming out, it was Ryan Williams like 1B to Jeremiah Smith 1A in that recruiting class. He just disappeared. Now it's, and now it's Jeremiah Coleman Williams. So, um, and, and, and because of all the hits and because everything that happened his body— Ty Simpson's— just started breaking down. By the time they got to the Rose Bowl, he's 190 pounds with gastritis. And so I don't like excuses, and I hate outliers, and I hate the 15 starts, but I'm telling you, the tape— because Mendoza was playing these games and the moments were awesome.
Yeah, but before the moments was 3 and a half or 3+ quarters of, yeah, there's some good stuff, but this isn't first overall pick stuff. And then there's an interception in Iowa There's an interception, I think a pick 6 in Oregon. Yeah, there's an interception, all fourth quarter stuff where it's like, what, like he hasn't played great and now there's a pick in the fourth quarter against Penn State was the third one. But, but then the moment and then you go back and talking to like a couple quarterback coaches and a head coach in the league, it's like, look at his third down stuff, man. Look at his red zone stuff. I think it's 28 touchdowns, no interceptions. Look, look at his fourth quarter game on the line stuff. Stuff. And I wasn't all in on Mendoza until Ohio State. And I've heard, you know, like, Orlovsky's— like, I'm closer to Orlovsky than a lot of people on Ty Simpson. Yeah, I'm not quite that far. Um, but, but I also, like, I didn't appreciate the Mendoza stuff. Like, that Ohio State tape, if you're just being non-biased, was awesome. It was the Caden— the Caden hit, um, early on.
A few plays later, he's back in, like no effects. It's movement, it's, it's off-platform, it's drilling strikes everywhere. Like, they were hitting him after hit. And they didn't talk about that— the other Caden hit in the, in the end zone where his helmet hits the turf and like he just pops right back. Like, this guy is tough as freaking nails. He is, he's accurate. He's— so I, I really like Mendoza. Is he Caleb Williams?
No. No.
Is he Jayden Daniels?
No.
Is he Drake Mayne? No. I've got a similar grade with him and Cam Ward, uh, for very different reasons. But, um, but yeah, I understand the pick totally, and I'm like, would stamp it all day long for the, the Raiders that won. But Ty Simpson at one point honestly had the best tape, but that doesn't erase the 15 starts and everything else and the finish that he had to the season.
Yeah, I love Ty Simpson. I thought he was awesome to start the season. By the way, just so you know, uh, Todd, what happened was was my mic, my mic stand just broke. And I think like maybe 2 episodes ago or 2 days ago, I said to Hank and to Max, who both conveniently aren't here right now, uh, can we get my mic stand fixed? You know, again, I don't think we're divas. I think we're pretty like— memes, maybe you could back us up. Like, we're for number one sports podcast. We're not big ego guys. My mic stand is broken and it just fell into my lap. I just asked if I could get it fixed. I'm with you, man. It's just not fixed.
I'm with you.
Like, I, I've gotten to the point in my career where, like, I used to, like, be, like, not meek, but like, oh, we'll talk about this after, after the show, we'll have a meeting, you know. Now I'm just like, if, if you're not gonna get something done which— that's so obvious and so easy, I'm gonna blast you on the show.
Look at this, look at this, watch. I'm gonna, I'm gonna let go of my hand. There you go.
And that's Big Cat's mic.
That's what you do.
That's his mic. So when Big Cat brought it up the other day, I literally had Hank and Max were like, what do you need a new mic stand for?
I'm just gonna do like the rest of the interview like this. I'm also gonna fire off a text saying, hey Max and Hank, remember when you said we can't remodel? My mic just fell in my lap in the middle of the interview, you fuckfaces.
Okay, and we're running it, we're, we're running it. Oh yeah, this wasn't live, we're taping this, but this, this is, this is going on there.
Yeah, absolutely. So, uh, so all right, I, I agree with Ty Simpson, I agree with them. I mean, the moments are—
I hear Ty Simpson's defended of round 1 now.
Okay, okay. So where could you see him going?
So I, I keep— I was told around the combine, like, by someone I've learned, learned to trust, there's a team you— no one's really talking about, or, or I forget the exact wording, but like, there's a team out there. And I don't know since then to now, we've been talking about that team. I don't— I didn't drill in, but like, there's a team that, that could be Ty Simpson. I've heard again that there's something like that that. But I also, I think at the very least, uh, Arizona knows it has to go up and get him ahead of 33. So I'm told, and it's not like Milroe last year. Milroe was happy to be there, um, for the second round, and it just— what I don't think— Ty's showing up to be the next Aaron Rodgers. I love your mic, man. Yeah, it's just a big F you to everyone.
Yeah.
Um, he doesn't want Will Levis, like, so I, I I—
you—
to accept that invite, first of all, for the league to offer him that invite and then for him to accept it, there's got to be information there that, that he's going round 1. And I'm getting that same information. So that'll, that'll be fun to watch on the first night.
You're saying that you're hearing about a team— are you hearing about a team that is going to move back into the first round to get him at the end? Or are you—
don't know, team, don't know. That there's like just— and maybe it's one of these teams. I, I don't have any more than that, but like it may not just be the Cardinals.
Like I don't—
I actually don't think— I think the Jets, if they're sitting there at 33, will be like, all right, we got 4 picks in the top 44, let's take a hack here.
Yeah.
Um, but I don't think that they're going to get aggressive, but I could be wrong. Maybe that's the— I, I'm just saying there's some information now that if you're looking at this thing like, is he going round 1, where I feel stronger about it now, um, than I have in a while.
And how would you— how would you see the let's say top 5 quarterbacks, the order that they— not what you have them ranked, but what you think they're gonna go.
Let's start with how I have them ranked.
Okay.
Yeah, we have—
yeah, it's, it's Mendoza 1, Simpson 2, Nussmeyer 3, Cole Payton 4. And then quite honestly, if I get the right situation with some time and patience and the right guy to coach him, I would, I would take Taylin Green. I just— I'm intrigued by the upside because I don't think Carson Beck's a starter. I'm damn sure Drew Aller's not a starter. I'll live on that hill, that's fine. Um, how I think, how I think they could come off the board, I think Mendoza, we know Mendoza 1, Simpson's going to be 2. It's going to be some combination of Nussmeier, Beck, Aller.
So you're way, you're very different than what is going to actually happen. Yeah, I like that.
What do you think about Nussie, about Nussmeier? Because I, the more I, I think about him as an NFL prospect, I feel like it's worth taking a shot on him because he was clearly—
he was clearly injured, man. Yeah, he just like— and, and they're like, even like the, like the National Scouting Service, I think, had him in like the number 1 overall. And I'm not putting weight in it, I'm just saying like he was like viewed, and myself included, like I, I just— the way he carries himself, the football knowledge, his instincts in the pocket, got to see him like the way just how he was, the Manning Passing Academy, and like he's kind of like that guy. And then watching him, watching him on the field of the Senior Bowl, like he sees things. I'm like, damn, how do you see that, you know? But injuries, undersized, uh, doesn't have a big— like Ty Simpson, it turned out this year became what I thought Nussmeyer was going to become this year. Very similar. Football's in their, in their crib. Around ball their whole lives, lives. You know, Simpson's dad's a 20-year head coach at UT Martin. Nussmeyer's dad's an NFL quarterback, you know, and quarterback coach, and now OC for the Saints. Um, they just know ball, and they, they like— they can walk in right away and like hit the ground running.
But Ty Simpson's a little more mobile. Ty Simpson, um, Ty Simpson has, has more juice on the ball. But I, I watched Nussmeyer, and he just— he's not— he doesn't have the same juice that Baker Mayfield has. And I wish he did. But the way, like, his aggressive style, the decisiveness— like, sometimes it's like you're making mistakes because you're so aggressive. But I just, I, I don't know. You give me Nussmeier in the third round, man. Put him in like a LaFleur, McDaniel, Shanahan, McVay. Like, I just, I— it's worth the shot there.
Yeah.
By the way, I don't think Carson Beck is— I think he's going to be a good backup, but I don't trust system. Yeah, can't, can't hit a receiver that runs away from him. What, like, so like we got to get some visualization stuff, we got a lot of footwork to do. I'm not saying he can't be, and I talk about like, Aller's a big strong-armed, strong kid, ultra competitive, just love that about him, won a lot of games, taught like all those things. And he, but he's just, he's not mobile in the pocket and he really struggles to throw the ball to receive. Like even his backs on like, you know, safety routes. He can't— he just misses so many throws.
Yeah.
By the way, we should say that if you're listening to this right now, you should trust Todd McShay. Not that you don't already, but as a reminder, last year he told us about our favorite quarterback out of last year's class, Tyler Shuck, before anyone else. We became the biggest Shuck fans of all time. Like, we laddered his yards every single Sunday. For the last 5 weeks, and we would just— we'd put it on the main TV, like the main TV in the gambling cave, and we would just get, get all shucked up and be like all in on him. So you told us first.
I just love Shuck, man. He's such a— just a dude. He's been through so much. Getting to know his story, he thought football was taken away from him. Like, he, he was, he was in the recruiting class with, with, um, with, with, um, with Lawrence and those guys. Like, like Trevor Lawrence, like he had been through so much that like nothing was going to affect him. He's tall, he's mobile, he can throw it. Like, I'm excited to see what happens. They need to get him some weapons, but I'm excited to see what happens with him.
Such a catchable ball.
He's going to get a boat too.
Yeah.
And then that's going to unlock him to the next level.
Big time.
Yeah.
No question.
No, he's pumped about that.
Yeah.
Hank was in love with Diego Pavia because he saw him at Gruden's quarterback camp, which I'll defend Hank. It's easy to fall in love with any guy on Gruden's quarterback camp.
Oh my gosh, because you see a recent one with Taylin Green. Oh yeah, yeah, good. He's the best, man.
What am I looking at right here, man? 11.2 broad jump, man. That's, that's wild. Yeah, I, I fall in love with anybody that Gruden talks to, uh, but with Pavia in particular, Hank was like, you know, I wouldn't mind the Patriots picking him up as a backup quarterback, maybe as a third and sixth specialist. Specialist, uh, they can sub him on.
But, uh, could you imagine taking Drake May off the field for Diego Pavia?
Makes sense.
Oh yeah, PFT's got all the numbers.
Statistically, yeah, Drake May is the worst quarterback in the NFL in terms of completion percentage on third and exactly six.
Exactly six.
Exactly. Third and seven, he's awesome. Third and eight, he's like one of the best. Third and six, he just sucks. But, um, how do you feel about Pavia? Like, could Pavia be a— will there be a team that decides to take a flyer on him late in the draft?
Um, I mean, maybe, but I, I would guess undrafted free agent, but could be like 7th round. Yeah, I mean, he's, he's had a handful of like 30 visits. What's, what's crazy about Pavia is like, you sit there at the Senior Bowl— I mean, I watched his tape, I know like every, like the ins and outs of everything. Um, you watch him at the Senior Bowl and it's like 5 guys look like it and one doesn't, you know, like the ball doesn't jump off. Like, he just doesn't— it looks like he was— he's the misfit, right? Um, then you get in like red zone in certain situations and he's, he's moving the offense. It doesn't look pretty at all, but so like, yeah, he'll get a shot. He'll get a shot. And whether it's 7th, 6th, 7th round, or free, an undrafted free agent, but, um, it's a long shot, you know, it's a long shot. It's just a lot to overcome.
Yeah.
Okay, what about the reverse, Pavia, in that what is your number one, uh, physical freak of nature? Where maybe it's not— maybe it's not a first-rounder, maybe it's not a guy that, uh, is gonna have a great career, but you just— he's gonna get drafted because what he does physically, speed, strength, whatever it may be, is so far off the charts. I just love hearing about those guys because it always blows my mind.
I'm trying to look up— I hope I have the numbers here. Um, this interior defensive lineman, Kanga. Um, look him up. Hold on, let's, let's do this the right way.
Kanga line, that's what I'm Googling right now.
This is gonna work. I can't believe this fucking mic. This is— and both of them not here. Okay, what's his first name? Do we know?
Renee. R-E-N-E. R-E-N-E. That's a red flag.
I'm just gonna say, like, that's a personal red flag.
Just having a girl name.
Girl's name. Yeah, like, uh, Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers. 6'4", wimp.
6'4", late March Pro Day at Louisville. 6'4", 300 pounds. Canadian standout. I kind of like Canadians on the defensive line. They're crazy. I want my defensive lineman to be crazy, and Canadians Hawaiians are like, you know, they're kooky, man. Uh, they're not right.
Yep.
10'2"— this is a 300-pounder— 10'2" broad jump.
Okay.
37-inch vertical.
Okay.
Ran the 40 in a 4.64 to 4.75 range.
Okay. That's stupid.
Renee Kanga. So like, when this guy gets drafted, he wasn't at the combine. Um, and all of a sudden I get these couple texts and I'm like, wait, what? And so I know I gotta confirm it, like, yeah, that's what, you know, we had him in this range and he had a 10.2 and a 37. Like, that's not, that's not human, you know?
300 pounds. Yeah, running.
And I watched his tape and there's a lot of flashes. He's explosive. And like, yeah, he gets pushed around certain, certain situations, but like, just give me 10, 15 snaps and develop this guy. Guy. So when René Conga gets drafted on day 3, you have a little bit of background on this. He's just— he's not— he's not normal.
I love that. I love that. Okay, uh, Todd, I got one last question. It's the Rowback question. R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com, promo code TAKE, 20% off your first purchase. Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Rowback.com, promo code TAKE, What team is going to be— that you're hearing is going to be the like, hey, let's mess up the first round team, whether it be trade or they're going to pick something that might domino everyone else. Are there a couple teams maybe that fall under that category where it's like, yeah, this is— these are the— these are the spots where like— and these are the teams that could just kind of throw everything into a tizzy when we watch on Thursday night.
Um, I'm intrigued with Kansas City, and I, I don't think it fits exactly what you're saying, but as you're sitting there trying to do a mock draft and trying to like, all right, here are the 11 guys that belong in the first 13 picks, right? Um, I don't know if they're going to go outside of that 11 at pick 9, but they're picking at 9 for a reason, and we're not used to that with the Chiefs. Brett Veach is— and I, you know, I did some preseason games with the Chiefs. It's like, Brett Veach is great at what he does. Like, he has an eye for it. And but he also is great at like, you know, like— and, and also, I don't know on purpose or how, but there's always like right around this time and all of a sudden like Schrager's like, it's, it's, it's Jordan Tyson, right? You know, and, and other people like, they keep an eye on, um, on Kenyan Sadiq. And guys who haven't like been in. And those guys, like, yeah, it wouldn't be shocking if they went 9, but why is that messaging coming out now, right?
And I look at the roster, I'm like, we need another tackle. We just got rid of 2 corners. I think, yeah, we're gonna scheme them up with Spags and all that, but we need a corner. Um, they need an edge, they need a wide receiver, they could use a tight end to develop. So like, they— and then you're hearing a lot of reports about that maybe they package these picks and move up, and I'm like, like they're not in a position to do that. They've, they've got, if anything, move back. So I think the Chiefs are going to be fascinating with that pick because I think a lot of people think they know what's going to happen at 9, and nothing will— if it's Reuben Bain, I'm not surprised. If it's Jordan Tyson, not surprised. Kenyon Sadiq, not surprised. If it's, if it's Maui Noah because he fell, or Spencer Fano with the ties, um, with Andy Reid and the, and the family and the coach like, I'm not surprised. So there— but what they do kind of sets up, all right, what corners are still on the board? Is there an edge still on the board for Cincy?
Because right there, right now, you've got this run of, uh, 10, 11, 12 that all kind of need the same thing. They need defensive players. It's Cincinnati, they need a corner but could take downs. They need an edge, obviously. You've got at 11 Miami, they need everything, man. They've got like, you know, um, and then you get the Cowboys sitting at 12 if they don't trade trade up, and they need the same things— corner, edge. So that 9th pick is going to be kind of a trigger point.
I like that. There's no way Jeremiah Love falls to the Chiefs, right?
There's a way.
That would fucking piss me off. I don't—
I would have to say the floor is Washington. Yeah, but if Washington were to trade, who would trade up with them? The Jets?
I don't—
I If Washington doesn't pick there, um, yeah, I— it would be shocking. But I, but I also been told, like, just all this other information that's coming out of Kansas City. Kansas City is just like, hey, come sit down in our draft room and look at our board. It's like everyone's got the answers to Kansas City, but all the things are different. Everyone is telling you Jordan Tyson's really high on the board. Hey, watch out for Kenyon Sidique. They could take an offensive tackle, Fano, with the, the background and Andy Reid. And, and, and And, and now people are saying, but they could trade up, but I don't believe any of that. And then people are saying if Jordan Love is there, I can tell you they would absolutely consider taking Jordan Love at pick number 9.
Jeremiah, I don't think he's in it.
Sorry, Jeremiah Love.
Sorry.
Um, so yeah, they're, they're fascinating.
I love Kenyon Tiedic, by the way. He's an absolute monster.
He seems like he's gonna piss me off too. He seems like the guy that is gonna get picked and, and maybe have the highest likelihood of being a pro.
I can't watch this, Big Cat.
I'm trying, I'm intentionally trying to make it as ridiculous as possible.
You're killing it.
Just, just to rub it in Hank's face.
Yeah, look at that.
Yeah, he's, he's hoping that—
wait, hold on, what did you say?
Uh, I— Hank should be watching this clip right now, and Hank should be very, very embarrassed about what he's putting us through.
It's disgusting. Max is on his, his, his first bachelor party right now, and I sent that text, which I do feel a little bad.
I promise you, you will have a new mic.
His first bachelor party, we've been hammered for hours, not days, hours. Max is hammered right now. It's 10:00 AM and he just sobered up real fast.
Seeing that text, he's drinking water.
Yeah, IVing it. Yeah, I'll call you back. I'll call back in, uh, 3 hours. Give me 3 hours and we'll talk.
He's got an IV in his arm.
Uh, I, I, I do think that whoever is picking like in the 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 range like there's going to be some really good players that are available at that spot. That feels like a great spot to be in.
Um, I just don't know, our team's gonna panic and take— not panic, our teams like Arizona and Cleveland gonna take a tackle because, because of the run that I told you. When it's, when it's out, it's out. And, and Arizona picks at what, 34? Like, if you're not getting one there, you're not getting one. So are they going to trade back and get a better value and get an additional pick, which is what they want to do, but they got to get someone to trade up. Cleveland, the same deal. Are they gonna— or are they just gonna stick and pick offensive tackles? Because if they do, I mean, let's say Bailey goes too. Now all of a sudden you got Arvell Reese, Sonny Stiles, and, uh, I know. And how am I supposed to be serious walking through the board as you're deep throating your mic. Jeremiah Love, Sonny Styles can do that any episode.
Like, the mic's always there, but the fact that he's got it in his hands, he's like, yeah, I gotta—
yeah, I'm, I'm done.
I can't do that.
To your point, some really good players could fall, and the way, the way it had— the way it happens, yeah, is if two offensive tackles go in the top 6, or even one of them, because that's going to bump people down.
Last question, uh, Zach, do you want to ask a question about the Bucs? Zach, uh, quick—
what's going on, man? Hope you're doing well this morning. A quick question, I was curious, what position do you think would be most effective if we pick up a guy that would make the biggest difference in this upcoming season?
Good question, Zach.
Nice job, Zach.
Nice job.
Way to go, Zach.
Concise, confident. Um, I, I like edge rusher there. I really do. I think I— Akeem Messidor, I keep going back to that one. Like, can we get Bowles an edge rusher that can get there Diaby. And obviously, like, they're just— they're aging on that defense, and they've got to get younger, they got to get faster. Uh, Messidor's 25, but he's— but that's younger than— so I just— I, I like that fit there. I also, if I'm Tampa Bay, I've got a few needs, and we got some more roster turnover than, than I'd like. If you can move back, I think that that would be— that would be ideal. Uh, but Akeem Messidor out of Miami would be the guy that I'd circle for now.
Okay, so if we get Young, we get aggressive, could be in a decent spot moving forward.
Yeah, like Bowles is— he's— he likes to— he likes to, um, you know, blitz like 30-plus percent of the time. And so I'd like to blitz a little less and put a little less strain. I'd like to have a guy who can just get home. Um, so I—
that—
that's why that fit makes a lot of sense to me. But I'm— you know, you look at Tampa Bay, they pick it, um, let's see, here. They pick at 15, 46, and 77. I've got a, I've got a real serious needed edge. I'd like to upgrade corner. I need another linebacker for obvious reasons. Um, I'd like to have a difference maker, a tight end, another tight end. I think interior defensive line, getting young there. So, um, that's a lot of positions, man. That's a lot of positions that we're talking about. Uh, and, and I, and I get it, but we just lost Mike Evans and we drafted after the first round receiver, but I, I'd like to in round 3 or 4 get a wide receiver too. So if they get an opportunity to trade out of 15 and they take it, I would be— I'd be pumped if I were you, you know.
There you go, Zach.
That's good info. I appreciate that.
My son Tate is a huge Buccaneers fan, so I'm— I stay on top of them as much as, you know, I've got to make sure I'm— God, I got him covered, you know.
Yeah. Um, all right, Todd, you're the absolute best. We love having you on.
Let's, uh, how's your back right now?
It's hurting. Let's hope we don't get a, uh, crying video of you on Saturday. I don't want that to happen.
I know, that would be awful.
So there's—
I don't think anybody wants to see that.
Yeah, there's like 141 picks. It's 100 picks exactly this year in the first 3 rounds. Then I think there's like, let's call it like 140, right around 140. If we get to pick 130, yeah, mark it down. Remind— because I'm gonna be kind of—
yeah, yeah, I know, you'll be all over the place.
Shoot me a text and be like, he wasn't drafted by 130. I will stop what I'm doing and I will make a video. Are you gonna be—
are you gonna be live, right? Are you gonna be live?
Yeah, live on Netflix Thursday night, live on Netflix Friday night. Come check us out. Yeah, I'm over the like, so-and-so was picked, and let me give you 90 seconds with B-roll, and yeah, he doesn't fit in the National Football League. Like, come watch a fun show, man. Yeah, Thursday night, Friday night, Netflix, we'll be on.
And then what about Saturday? Saturday you're just gonna—
you're Saturday, we're gonna, we're gonna do, we're gonna do a bunch of like social stuff, and then we're gonna do it.
Okay.
View in the, like, the 5th, 6th round. And, and, um, so we'll put out a show there. I don't—
yeah, okay, so Saturday we'll— I'll text you and you'll have to— you'll have to make a pick.
We'll go back and forth. And at 1:30, if he's not off the board, pick 1:30. I'm gonna— you will see my true emotions.
Okay, Todd, I got one last question for you. So, uh, at the very end of the draft, we have two consecutive Broncos picks back to back at 256 and 257.
Oh, that's fun.
That's kind of fun because then Sean Payton gets to decide like, which one of these guys do I want to be Mr.
Irrelevant?
Even though I got— like, it's the same pick, but he gets to choose which one goes first. Um, Todd, you are a Richmond Spider. I will make a donation to the Richmond Spiders NIL if you can predict who Mr. Irrelevant is going to be. Anyone can say—
I think he gets two shots at it too because of the Broncos.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We'll give you two shots, but anyone can say to say who's gonna be the first pick, but it takes a real draft expert to, to correctly pick the last pick in the draft.
All right, let's pull up the board.
Yeah, because 2 shots is fair because the Broncos could be like just trying to mess with us where it's like they had this guy, there was definitely gonna be Mr. Irrelevant, but they're like, now let's just—
I would rather be Mr.
Irrelevant. Oh, 100%.
Second to last pick.
Yeah, I'd rather be undrafted if you actually know how the, the league works.
That way I get to pick my spot.
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That's just—
all right, so it's, it's the worst shit.
Uh-huh.
And also chip on my shoulder.
And then I get to wear number 32.
Yeah, being on draft everybody pass and being in the hall of fame.
Moving this over, I'm gonna, I'm gonna nail this.
I'd probably still pick the Broncos, but yeah, I'd rather go on my terms.
So the Broncos' last two picks.
Pull up this board.
It's a huge piece of All right, really important stuff.
I'm sorting through my thing. I don't, I don't take this lightly.
This is crazy. How many, how many, how many tabs you got?
Your little analytics.
You can't fuck a spreadsheet, Todd.
Player 250— what is it, 256 and 257?
Yeah, you got it.
All right, all right, I'm gonna go.
This is crazy. You have an answer for us?
I'm gonna go—
by the way, thank God, just before you answer, thank God you made a living out of this because otherwise you'd be a fucking loser.
Oh my God, no idea.
Because like, I like the mock drafts and guys who do like a couple rounds. Yeah, but if you got all 7 and you don't— you don't get paid for it, it's tough. It's tough to grapple with.
I'm gonna go David Gusta.
Okay.
Interior defensive lineman from Kentucky.
Mm-hmm.
And RJ Maryland, although I think he could go a little bit higher.
Oh yeah, he seems like more like 245.
Yeah, I'm going to do Rams at 252 actually in my mock draft.
Let's go David Gustaf. I like that one. I love that one, but I want to get— let's give him a joker with one of those two last picks, you know. Let's give him—
yeah, yeah.
Um, I'm taking— I'm not messing around with this.
No, you thought like— I don't know if Maryland fits in that system.
He's, he's approaching his spreadsheet. He's pulling up the seventh round tab. He's about to make the last selection in the draft. Can he pull it off?
I'm gonna go with Jaren Canik.
Oh, and he's done it.
Former linebacker, linebacker that went into coach's office in the offseason, said, I just want to contribute to this team. He's a Metallica dude. Jim Nagy called me about this guy and was like, you would love him, he's a throwback. He moves over to tight end, comes out early in the season against Michigan, has that long over route, catches it, runs away. I think— can— I'd like to see him go earlier, but Jaren Kanick, I would— I could see Denver bringing in as, as kind of like that versatile pass-catching weapon and a guy who's just kind of learning how to play tight end.
Tight end from Oklahoma. Or who's the other guy?
David Gusta.
Dave interior defensive lineman from Kentucky.
All right, all right, big shot.
All right, Todd, you're the best.
If you get I do those right, we'll, uh, how much do the, to the Spiders NIL?
Well, I didn't say a number. That was the trick.
I just said I will make it, but whatever number he gives, I'll, I'll match.
You'll match? Okay.
Yep.
Yeah, you know what, I'll take, I'll take whatever, um, whatever number he wears in the NFL. I will multiply that by 100.
No, no, no, I'm out. I gotta, I gotta, I gotta do Wisconsin NIL. What if he gets fucking 86 Dude.
Oh yeah, that's a lot of money. He's not gonna take 86.
The tight end—
tight ends all want to wear number 7. They want to wear number 11. Yeah, these new pussies, they just want to wear number 1.
Actually, you know what though, would it be worth it if we gave 10 grand to Richmond? Do we own the school? Oh, get out of here. You guys are so insulting.
Joke.
We get to name our quarterback.
Try, try, you couple idiots, try getting in into Richmond.
Yeah, you're dollar.
Yeah, yeah, probably not. Uh, all right, Todd, you're the best.
I appreciate it, guys. This is always fun. I love doing this.
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Okay, we're gonna wrap up the show real quick. Two quick things. We went to Cubs-Mets on Saturday, me, Zach, and I, and Ed Zach is a star. I don't think you guys— I think everyone knows, but you don't fully know until you get out in the public. I took a picture for Zach and a fan. Zach was getting memes. You were out with him later that night. He was— was he fame-mogging Alec Pierce?
Yeah, we were.
We were at a bar in Wrigley and a couple AWLs came up and were like, Oh, hey, that's Alec Pierce over there. But like, we get a picture with you guys. So love that. Grab a picture with Zach and Alec Pierce. You're just staring at us being like, I'm the NFL player. Did he know Zach? No, I didn't know Zach.
Zach does now. Yeah, he does.
We have a lot of fun. Riggs is awesome.
Zach, two things that I noticed from Zach. One, dominated the Jumbotron, the, the, the ball and hat game. Oh, dominated it. Dominated it. The boat race dominated it.
Did you get the ball? Will it stop on the mound?
No, we just got hit with the helmet shuffle boat race. But beginner's luck, though. First time at the stadium.
And then also, Zach is a really good conversationalist. Yeah, he was asking me a bunch of questions and then even said he's like, am I— if I'm talking too much, let me know. I was like, Zach, what are you talking about, dude?
Questions we talking about?
He was asking me to put him onto a Cubs player, put him on Mo Bollinger. Moe Baller, who's like 5'8", he's lost a little weight, he's like 215.
It's a good build.
Yeah. Moe Baller's legit. Put him on to him. He was asking all kinds of questions.
Knowledgeable guy. Zach being my desk partner has positively, like, affected my life for the better for the last year.
Yeah.
Zach's the man.
Yeah.
He's actually maybe the easiest hang that we've got by far. Yeah.
He's a star and rightfully so. And then, yeah, the Mets are— I think we've seen enough that we can say Frank was right. They've lost 11 in a row.
Are they done, memes?
Uh, they're done for now. Damn. Okay, the manager Mendoza, like, that was— they had extra innings, PCA was on third with one out, Nico Horner who's playing out of his mind good right now, and they didn't walk him. And he said afterwards that he— for Michael Bush who's like hitting like.180 right now— he said that he didn't want want Nico Horner, Horner to potentially take second base.
Okay. Um, but that's not, that's not the main concern at that point, is it?
Yeah, the really good hitter.
Yeah.
Getting a ball in the air, which he did, and PCA scoring versus the guy who's struggling at the plate and potentially getting an inning-ending double play.
Yeah, we also just need to not let one run in, right?
Yeah, yeah. Second base doesn't matter, right?
Correct. Walk the bases loaded if you 2, although Bregman would have been up. But— and then Memes, real quick. So everyone go watch our golf video on the Pardon My Take YouTube. Memes, you're getting roasted, but it's very funny.
It was a bad shirt. It was a bad shirt. I don't think it was a bad shirt.
It was a good shirt.
Can I—
can I push back?
I'm going to push back just a little bit, Memes. I think we got to— we got to wear belts. If we— if we're going to look at one place where we went wrong, I think maybe wearing a belt might have been—
read a couple of them.
This is coming from a guy who wore a formal belt on the golf course for like 3 years. That's when you know it's bad.
But any belt, any belt, any belt. Well, here's the thing, Hank, because you're right, I'm not— I'm not what you call the snappiest dresser all the time. But if you're going to tuck in your shirt, I feel like that's— you have— you absolutely 100% need to wear a belt every time you tuck in a shirt.
The memes looks like every high school student basketball announcer. That's good.
Memes looks like a condom that's too big.
Why does— why does memes look like an offensive line coach? I also, for some reason, this one just keeps making me laugh. Melvin Zay, uh, Cro-Mento said memes look is actually crazy. Just that it's just funny. It's just so matter of fact. It's not mean, it's just saying he just looks actually crazy. It's actually crazy. But it was a good golf video.
John looks like a dressed up Mike Wazowski.
Uh, one of them was like, I look like a hermit crab that outgrew a shell.
Yeah, memes looks like he's dressed up as Nick Cage playing John Madden.
Memes looks like if football was a person. That's actually nice.
That rocks. It looks like a couch.
Crazy times when someone refers to the fat guy in the hat from PMT and they're not talking about Big Cat.
Oh, and then this one was very funny because Max was wearing his, uh, classic golf shirt, which is, uh, a tactical water camouflage.
Great shirt.
Max dressed like a soldier about to attack the Strait of Moormaz. Mozzarella.
PFT is such a scumbag. Love to get him on the links and smoke him.
Facts.
A lot of scumbaggery that goes on in this video.
And also an incredible 7-iron shot by me.
It's a really good—
will you not just give me a little credit?
I think it's a great—
giving you credit in the video. I cannot I don't believe it.
Memes looks like if Big T and Peter Griffin had a baby.
Memes looks like a couch.
Wait, here's a comment.
It says those skinny pants on Memes, or does he make regular pants look like that?
It says, please, is, was the shirt. And that's a comment from part of my TikTok. Memes, it was your comment. Oh, you said please, is, was the shirt. It was the shirt.
If golf outfits were NFL teams, Memes would still be the Jets.
Oh, no, probably. Whatever.
I literally can't tell if Memes is a real person or not.
That was good restraint from Memes there.
Oh, it's tough when PFT isn't the worst dressed.
That's fair. All the other ones are fine. Don't talk about the Jets.
Well, you guys got Donald Trump on. That's crazy. Oh, shit. That's Memes.
Oh man, I loved it. Memes, you're the best. Oh, it's great. We need a belt. You're right, he got—
you gotta wear it.
That's a bad lighting too. That's really bad lighting. You're the only one in the sun. There's like a positive-negative reaction. Oh, I gotta get back on the Chinese workout because I— that was when I was like day 35 and I actually looked pretty good, so I need to get back into it. But yeah, memes. Oh man. All right. Good show, boys. Good show. It was early. So much chilies in me.
There's one comment. There's one comment. It's just the Max Appreciation Button. One like.
Shout out that guy.
What's wrong with that?
It's a sad appreciation.
That's great.
Well, there's so many comments.
I know. I know. No, it's just— it's a sad button.
Yeah. Okay, numbers. 8, 23, 11, 22, 85, 56. Please is what this shirt is.
He's on 22.
Oh, 23! Got it!
Is that you? Yeah, nice.
Just saying 23. All right, have you— hey, have you guys ever gotten this?
I haven't.
I've got it. No, you haven't.
I've never gotten it.
I have gotten this. I've officially gotten this.
I've done it.
Now it's on.
I've never got it. Now it's—
now it's fucking—
who's got it?
I have. I also— no, you haven't. Memes, no, you have not.
I've gotten it.
Don't—
no, you have not.
You should be allowed to lie.
I didn't win Win it. Oh my God, this is such a relief right now.
Stop lying.
There's such a relief because it's gonna get— it's gonna get tight eventually.
It's not one of you.
That was— felt good. Are you gonna do one more? I'll let you guys—
yeah, see one more.
Someone else join the club with me. I would like it if someone else would join the club. I'm in the club, not in the Winners Club, but in the club. Has anyone ever gotten back to back? No, I go 80.
Never.
Uh, I have to change my number, right? Or do you want me to go again?
I don't know how that goes.
I think I have to change right now.
85.
I'll go 32.
Stick with 85.
You guys all have your numbers? Sticking with them?
I'm going 32.
72, anyone? All right, I look forward to all of you trying to get it. It's really easy, all you got to do is guess the right number.
Uh, so April 20th, um, well, first of all, happy birthday yesterday, April 19th, to Hank's dad. Yep, shout out, shout out Mr. Lockwood. Hank remembered this year. Hank remembered this this year. Also, your dad shares a birthday with the Rizzler.
Nice.
Nice.
So yeah, 4/19, great birthday.
Uh, 4/20, move on to 4/20 though.
Okay, 4/20, happy birthday to the guy that killed Hitler.
Nice, good one. Anyone else?
That's the only—
nope, no one else.
I think that's it.
That's it.
I think the guy that killed Hitler is the one that we're gonna stick with.
Any famous, uh, things that happen on this Blaze it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's that guy. That's the guy who—
a lot of dudes get really high today. A lot of dudes get really high today. We're not going to do this day in history. Nah, just blaze it.
Just famous birthdays. Notable people's birthdays.
This is the birthday section. It's not the mass shooting section. Right.
Mass facts.
Yeah.
Yes.
Clinton. Wait, who else?
Let's stick to the Rizzler and Hankstad.
Hankstad and Hitler and Carmen Electra.
Carmen Electra. Carmen Electra.
Yeah. So, Vandross too. Oh, there we go. And Luke Keekly.
Oh, there we go. Shout out Luke Keekly. Nice. Love you guys.
The Playoffs are here and we're ready to call some series over. We talk NBA playoffs game 1's. The Celtics and Thunder whomp. Lebron and Bronny in a playoff game was awesome. Pistons panic button and more (00:00:00-00:50:16). We talk some hockey and Dexter Lawrence traded to the Bengals for the 10th pick (00:50:16-01:05:56) Who's back of the week including Bryson being a dick and Dianna Russini saving a person in a car crash (01:05:56-01:32:56). Todd McShay joins the show to break down the NFL draft coming up this Thursday, ranking his QB's, who's going wear and sleepers (01:32:56-02:32:39). We finish with a Monday reading of the PMT golf youtube video comment section after Memes crazy fit.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or Netflix. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take