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The bunker got him.

The bunker got him.

It tends to do that with some of history's greatest monsters.

Yeah, it's great to see the Masters. Uh, we had a, we had a little bit of a controversy, Hank. I would, I would As a golf purist, Wednesday, people were very upset at the Masters. They're very upset at Kevin Hart, Jason Kelce. They were upset at the hats, which we talked about on Monday.

Yeah, we addressed the hat.

The Masters has— has it lost its luster because they've opened it to too many things and made it too, too chotchy? I would say I don't think so.

I think the Wednesday par 3 contest, it's fun. Yeah, for the fans. No, Jason Kelce is for the fans. Kevin Hart's for the fans.

What about Mark Kalkovecchia?

I don't know who that is.

Oh, Mark Kalkovecchia. He won a US Open, I think, or PGA Championship. He's a major winner. And he was at Augusta yesterday and they threw his ass out.

Why?

Because he had a cell phone. He brought a cell phone.

Well, yeah, that means Master still has it.

Yeah, that is— maybe that was— so we think that was on purpose. He won the Open Championship in 1989. Do you think that was a call and response? Augusta being like, hey, we still got it. 100%.

My My theory is that they, they talked to number one, either it's anti-Italian discrimination and they like searched him because of his last name ending in a vowel or two, it was a behind the scenes situation where they said, we'd be getting a lot of shit. People are saying that we still don't have it. So we're going to throw your ass out if you're okay with just saying that you had a cell phone. Yeah. So I think it might be a setup. I also think that Augusta is going to have to maybe take a look at its bylaws moving forward because people have sunglasses with cameras on them.

What?

That are attached to the cell phones.

Well, that shit is bullshit like that. That, that we can't have that because I do think people were very upset online on Wednesday and I, I get it, Augusta, like the Masters is supposed to feel very different than every other tournament. Yeah, but like Hank just said, it is the Wednesday par 3 contest like we in and we had, you know, Frankie Fleetwood going to have to wait another year. He said that can be a long year. I'm the hottest. But yeah, it's— that wasn't the actual tournament. If it was the actual tournament and that stuff was going on, I would be like, yeah, that's crazy. We got to tighten it up.

Yeah, I think that it's— yeah, Wednesday is okay, but still, I think you got to send like a little bit of a message.

Tighten it up.

Yeah, just tighten up just a little bit. I did like how early in the week the chairman of Augusta National just out of nowhere, he was like, hey, apropos of nothing, I do regret inviting Dude Perfect. That was kind of weird that I said that. Yeah, just out of nowhere.

Yeah, that's the thing is that did— that was the slippery slope and people rightfully so were like, this is bullshit. And guess what? I guess maybe that's why we're here right now.

We can—

yeah. Listen, if you let Dude Perfect start throwing frisbees around aiming corner, what's next? Markel Kovac, you put a cell phone up his asshole and sneaking into the tournament. Yeah. Like you're really opening the floodgates with that one.

I do. I do think in defense of people who are upset right now, I get it. Like, The, like, a lot of the things that we consume now in sports and media, they all kind of feel the same, where it's like influencers, TikTok, it all just kind of blends together. It's all an event. This is a situation where the Masters should feel special and different. It should feel completely separate from everything else.

I kind of don't like it when Augusta tries to market itself to me.

Yeah, I don't want any of that.

Like, I want, I want the power dynamic to be like, I'm begging Augusta to let me watch the Masters.

Correct.

I'm lucky enough to be able to tune in on television and it's there.

Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you, August. Thank you, Golf Course. Yes. But yeah, so I have heard people, though, talking about like they have to do something about the glasses that have the cameras that connect to cell phones.

Yes.

The Apple Watches.

Yes.

And have to do something about that. But people just keep finding a way like that. What's the chest scandal?

The Magnus, which I think there's a buzzer in the ass.

Yeah. The vibrating ceramic anal beads.

Yeah.

Yeah, people are going to start bringing those in so they can text at Augusta. We got to start putting in like body scans.

But yeah, I think there's a new documentary about Magnus. We got to watch that. Yeah, maybe, maybe this summer.

I watched it last night.

Was it good? Yeah, he's the best. He's the GOAT.

Oh no, tell me it was good.

Oh no.

Is he not the GOAT?

He's not the GOAT.

No, he is.

You have a different—

Oh fuck. He doesn't come across.

He doesn't come across exactly like the GOAT.

Why?

He does.

No, no, that's not a he does. That's that.

Let me down softly here.

Do you want me to tell you what— tell you what happened?

Yeah, let's do a review. We'll do a movie.

All right. We'll watch it. We'll watch it next week.

It's on Netflix.

Yeah.

Love that. Okay.

Well, I also—

great question.

I also watched the Lamar Odom one. That one. That one's also interesting.

Also the goat. No, Lamar did not come out looking like the best guy in that documentary.

Why would he do?

It just doesn't.

The movie's called The Life and Death of Lamar Odom.

He did die.

Yeah.

Which is like people are wondering, casuals are wondering, non-ball knowers.

Yeah.

Like, why is this called this? Well, you need to, you need to get your weight up when it comes to reading about Lamar.

He and Nikki Sixx, right?

Yep. Both of those are on Netflix as well.

Lamar Odom watched every single porn movie on the internet.

God bless him.

Famously. Yes.

God bless him.

Which is why he had to just get out. And he pretty much.

Yeah.

We'll do a review on the, on the chess one.

Yeah. So back to the Masters. I do. Yeah, I think it should be. I think they should maybe tone it down a little and make it feel a little more special.

I agree.

It's just, it's everything kind of sucks now. Like, the Masters should never suck.

Yes, I agree.

It should never feel attainable. Guys like me should never be able to be allowed to.

That's what I'm saying is like, I almost don't want to ever get an invitation to go to Augusta. Yeah, because I, it's like I would never want to be a member of a club that would have me as a member.

Right.

Well, people are mad about— I did say, like, every year you get somebody that says something stupid about how they would compete at Augusta National if they played the course. Yeah, I actually don't think that what I said was that stupid.

You said you could shoot 110.

I think I could shoot 109. I could break 110. I'm not saying I would do it every time.

I don't think so.

I think I could do it.

I think it's a million years. I think it's a possibility playing from where they're playing.

Well, then I did have— there were people that hit me up and they were like almost sucking the course off too much, like they were simping for the golf course and they were saying, dude, you can do 100, you can break 150.

That's, that's ridiculous.

I agree with that.

Yeah, you're a course stan if you're playing from where they're playing. Yeah.

Like if you're playing the course they're playing today, no chance.

What's the best you've ever shot? Ball in cup.

Ball in cup. It was, but it was at like a par 70. I think I shot an 87.

Okay. Yeah, I don't know, ball and cup, you're shooting 110 at Augusta.

I'm saying I could. Not that I do it every time.

Well, I mean, but that you got to say with your chest. Anyone could say anything if they say the word could.

Okay, 110. Yeah, I could do it. Yeah, I could do it.

No, no, but not could. Like, I would. That's what you have to say.

I mean, there's no doubt about breaking 150.

Yeah, but yeah, I would like it because it could— anyone, you know, best day of your life, I could do anything.

I'm trying to be—

hey, could dunk a basketball.

I'm delusional, but I'm not trying to do— I'm not trying to be like super delusional. I don't think that I could do it every time, but I think that one time— no, let's, let's say you get one round at a gust. One round.

One round at a gust. So what are you shooting?

Not every time. It's not—

what are you at one time? And hold on, before you answer this question, it's What are you shooting? And if you don't beat that score, you're dead. Dead.

Okay.

Wait, my drop dead score. That's a different conversation.

I think that's a different conversation.

All right, well, I want to drop that before then we can go to the next one.

The drop dead score. Everybody should have their drop dead score.

Yes, you have to know your drop dead score. My drop dead score to Gus, 175.

Okay. My drop dead score, 300. I think my drop— I'm going to say 130 because I want to live a little bit. I want to feel like Maybe, maybe if everything goes bad, it might— I might die on this course, you know, because that way I feel like I accomplished something. 130.

Okay. And then the follow-up question is, what, what do you honestly think if you go out and play your best, what are you shooting at Augusta?

My best, the best I've ever played up to this point in my life.

Correct.

I'm probably shooting about 105.

Hank, do you think this is— help me out here.

I don't— I think—

yeah, I don't think—

I think 130 would be a good score for you.

100. That's my drop dead score. I know that would be a bad score.

I might die.

That would be a bad score.

I know.

I'm worried for you.

Everyone should have a drop dead score and it should be tested at least once in your life. Yeah.

I don't know, PFT. I feel like Augusta is pretty damn hard.

I respect Augusta. It was more so the people that were like, dude, you can break 150. I think everybody, everyone here should be able to break 150 at Augusta.

I would not put— that's not my drop dead course. No.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, I'm not doing that.

No chance.

0% chance.

Yeah.

No chance.

Is it just tips at Augusta or do they have a spot for regular? I think they've got members. But there's this guy who is a performance coach at Acros Golf and he's a, he's a golf stat pro, Lou Stagner. And he hit me up. He said, assuming that you're an 18 index, Your course handicap will be -31. At every skill level, people tend to average about 3 shots above their course handicap. So 72 31 3 106. That's what he would project me to shoot. But then he says, I'd add some strokes on top of that for the situation. Hard to say exactly how many. 109.5 is a good line.

And who's this guy?

Uh, he has Golf Stat Pro in his Twitter name.

How many people said that you were crazy?

I didn't, I didn't read those.

Got it.

Got it.

I'm only reading the ones that agree with me, Max. You know how the internet works? Yeah.

Hey, breaking news. What do we got?

Joel Embiid has been diagnosed with appendicitis and will undergo surgery this afternoon in Houston.

No, no guts.

Oh no.

Yep.

Keep— here we go. Let's make more jokes about a guy's injury history.

Sorry, I mean, not really an injury, it's just an—

All right. Oh yeah, illness. Yeah, that sounds way better.

I said ailment.

That sounds way better. An illness. He could die. He could die from this.

Well, no, he's getting surgery. He should be good.

Thank God.

Who knows what could happen under surgery and you guys would be laughing and this clip would look bad on you. I hope that he has successful surgery and everything's okay with Joel Embiid.

Same, same.

Agreed.

All right, let's get back to math. So we all agree So how long is he out for? Is he going to be better without it? How long is the— what is the appendix? Do you guys ever all have your appendices?

Yeah, I've got mine.

Yeah, I got mine taken out. You did? Yeah. Did you have like almost die?

Yeah.

Like go to the doctor to get checked for it and they're like, we got to take it out now.

Yeah, I went to go into the X-ray room like, we got to go.

And they shot me to surgery.

No way.

Yeah, serious.

So you guys keep laughing, but it is— no one has laughed. No one is.

I think it's a miracle that they caught it.

Yeah.

Thank God.

And he's getting it out right before this playoff.

This is why it's like, it's actually a good thing that Joel Embiid goes to see the doctor like every single day because that way they caught it.

Good.

If he didn't have that injury history, he might have died today. So God bless.

We're happy this happened, that he's getting surgery. I mean, not happy that he has appendicitis. We're happy he's in good hands. Me too.

No one's happier than me, right?

You know, we all agree we were the only one. Hank is really the one that sounded the happiest.

Yeah, he's the one who also alerted us. So I'll just—

he doesn't— I'd already seen it back here.

Yeah, but if he doesn't—

I mean, exactly.

I can't say— I can't say thoughts and prayers.

Minutes ago.

Thoughts and prayers to Jerome Beat.

Yeah.

I hope he's okay.

I would give him my appendix if I could.

Same.

I don't know how that works. Is that what— I don't even understand what the appendix does. What does it do? Why? Why? Why do we get it out? I think it's shit. It's shit.

Shit.

But then why do you— why are you able to get it out?

It's one of those.

Why do we have it?

It lost its evolutionary use. We used to use it for digesting shit when we would— we used to eat like raw meat and stuff that was like worse for you. And then as we develop farms and, and fishing, then we don't really need the appendix anymore.

So we don't— so we just don't have— we, we just don't need it. But we all have it.

Yep.

So she's sitting there. And then the only thing you could do that is bad.

Yeah, it's the wisdom teeth of the stomach. Damn.

You guys all have your wisdom teeth?

No, I got all 4 of mine.

I have mine out.

I got mine out.

And tonsils.

What are tonsils?

You get those out too?

Some people do.

Yeah, but why? And what—

I don't know.

But I know that you eat a ton of ice cream after you— after that.

I knew that too.

But what?

So maybe I have got my tonsils. I've been prepping for my tonsils to be out. What does the tonsils do?

I think they can get infected, right?

But like, what is their purpose?

No one knows. No idea.

I'm just—

I think it's breathing.

I'm just curious about these things that you have and then you can get them out and be fine.

First line defense for immune systems.

Oh, okay.

Like an air filter, maybe.

Yeah, it is. It is an air filter. You're right. All right. The more you know. What were we talking about? Masters.

Masters.

Rory.

Rory.

Rory.

Patrick Reed. Scottie so far.

Yep. Max had a decent first round.

Yeah.

Yeah. Brooks is out there doing his thing. Pretty much is. What was the— Hey, can you explain to me the— everyone was buzzing about this guy who just sucks. Uh, Pockeider or whatever his name is.

He has the yips.

So what's his deal?

He can hit bombs, probably the longest hitter on the tour, super young, hits it like 350 yards, and he's got the yips bad.

Like how bad?

Like Frankie Barelli, he had like 3 of those shots where he just legitimately like sculled shots to the other side of the green.

Oh.

Can't chip.

He had 12. Is he good otherwise? Like if he didn't have the yips?

He had 3, 4 triple bogeys today.

Yikes. Yikes. So wait, but is he good if he, if he didn't have the yips?

He's currently FedEx 44th, world ranking 77. He's young. Like he, he won on tour last year. He's a bomber. But Augusta is not. I mean, Well, you got to have hands.

It sounds like you got to have hands.

Do you have hands?

I got, I got two of them. It sounds like he's, he's really good. Is it just this week that he's got the yips or did he have the yips like coming into it?

This is the first. I mean, it's, I think today he just kind of fell apart.

Yeah.

Yeah, I see. I'm different. I would, I would not do that.

12 over.

Yeah. Gross. You would never know.

Fuck that. I would quit. I quit if it looked like I was going to, I was going to fail. I'm looking at the leaderboard right now. I see one name that I think would—

it would—

every dad in America would have. Remember when, when Duke lost to UConn the other week? Do you guys remember that game?

Wait, you're going to have to explain it because I don't.

It was at the buzzer, pretty much at the buzzer, like a couple tenths of a second were left afterwards. But 10 seconds left and Duke inbounded the ball. It got stolen at midcourt and then— and then—

yeah, okay.

Shot.

Now I remember.

Remember how you came your pants for that?

Multiple times.

Every dad in America would have that exact same reaction for probably a month if Fred Couples won the Masters.

Oh yeah, he always—

he always gets out to a great start.

He's tied for 13th swing in the world.

He's, he's 1-under, which is awesome, through 11. And, uh, he's still got that great swing. I think he's playing with a Day-Glo yellow. He does, like the high-visibility yellow golf.

And he has like his, his golf shoes look like, uh, uh, skateboard shoes. Yeah, he's, he's got Unlimited swag. Or yeah, because his swing is the sweetest swing possible.

Yeah. And he always does get out to a hot start. He's tied for 13th right now. I would love to see that.

That's got to be so awesome to just every single year just be able to come and play in the Masters, even though you're not, you know, playing competitively day in and day out.

You see Jack Nicklaus's tee shot?

No.

What do you do?

So every year, Jack Nicklaus, he comes out to do the ceremonial tee shot. And, uh, oh, did he spray it? He hooked it a little bit. And this, I actually like this. I say, keep letting Jack do it. Like there should be some element of danger when you go to Augusta National Golf Course. And, uh, in this case it is the patrons that are lined up on the left side of the fairway. Uh, so he stepped up, hit it, and, uh, he gave the cutest little sheepish, like, I'm sorry, after he hit it. Yeah, watch this.

6-time Masters winner. You can, you can hit it wherever you want. You can, you can spray. Oh yeah, that was fine.

And then his little I'm sorry.

I would take that drive all day.

Yeah, I think most people that are there would like to get hit by a drive. Yeah, Jack Nicklaus.

Absolutely. Yeah, Freddie, Freddie Boom Boom. That, that, like, winning the Masters, obviously the coolest thing ever, but I think the coolness just keeps going further and further the older you get. And the fact that you just keep getting to come back with a green jacket, go to the dinner and play the tournament no matter what, that's— I mean, what a feeling that must be.

It's pretty excellent.

Just every single year. Oh yeah, I'm going to play Augusta because I won it in 1992.

It's— you can pencil in a vacation for yourself, right? Every year it's like a new holiday. Yeah, you get your own holiday given to you midlife, which, which rocks. Sam Burns, 5-under right now. Jason Day's up there.

Hey, could you— who, Patrick Reed, who are you rooting for outside of bets? Who would you want to win?

I like, I like Jason Day a lot. Yeah, he's, he's the lads. He's been doing a lot of YouTube stuff, so I've been watching a lot of him, him and his boys. I like Jason Day. Sam Burns, I like. I bet on Patrick Reed, got her up. Akshay, Gary Woodland is a long shot. I have him to go top 10. He's 2-under right now.

Is this a weird assessment statement? I was definitely rooting against Rory because it was funny when he choked. Now that he's won the Masters, I think going back to back would be a cool story. Like, I might be rooting for that.

I watched the Amazon— did a great documentary on the Masters last year with Rory. They also— there was a documentary about Ken Griffey Jr. As a photographer at the Masters last year. The picture of Rory, like, that is a Sports Illustrated, the picture everyone uses. Ken Griffey took that picture.

Is that the one that he had the pencil drawing that took 6 months?

Different picture, but same similar, similar image. But, but that on YouTube, if you have time, it's like 40 minutes. Unbelievable, unbelievable watch. Because like the director of the Augusta photography is like some, some British guys like I was fucking annoyed. Like, he was very honest where he's like, we got all this shit going on. We got Ken Griffey Jr. coming to do photography this week. Like, I don't want to deal with this shit. And they— he kind of did reviews of them after each round. And like, the first round, it wasn't great. He's like, you got to get better pictures, got to get better pictures. And then he's going through his pictures after Sunday and he's like, wait, this is the— we're using these. He's like, send me these now. Like, we're like— because he was like, oh yeah, hopefully you get one picture we can post. And then he's going through his pictures from 18. And he's like, wait a second, I like—

these are the pictures. Wait, this was a documentary?

It's like, yeah, they did a— they've— they followed him around.

Short?

It's, it's a, it's a 40-minute— like, it's a— it's on YouTube. It's like a 40-minute documentary. It's phenomenal. Uh, what was your question? I care. Oh, Rory.

The—

that was—

I'm still rooting against Rory. It was a good— it was, it was a good story and it was a good doc, but like, it was such a tough— it was as a a hate watch last year. It was brutal watching, rooting for him to lose and him winning. But I still, if push comes to shove and he's in it Sunday, I'll be rooting again.

See, that— I just, there's something about going back to back that I just like, you have to tip your cap. Like, that was pretty awesome.

I think if, uh, if it's not going to be anything related to—

but if he's in contention, I would really like against someone else on Sunday. You think you're gonna be rooting for him?

I would like— I would root for Rose because it hasn't— Rose lost twice in, uh, in a playoff at Augusta.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I feel like that's a guy I would, I would want to see win now.

It depends on who he's going against, but— excuse me. Masters, watch all weekend. Best nap of the— best nap of the year. And remember, Saturday we're going to change our clocks.

Oh, shit, I forgot about that.

It's always, always lines up with the Masters.

Good reminder.

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No, I think— what is it, up to 2,000?

It did not go well. It wasn't— I actually— here's, here's my honest take of what she should do. PR 101. I think she should just become like a Si Woo Kim tracker for the weekend. If she just— if she just tweeted every single golf shot of a random golfer in the Masters, Flood the zone. You kind of fight it off a little, possibly.

I mean, doing the fake hack thing would be great too. Yeah, just, just like every hour on the hour posted a new cryptocurrency. Yeah, just like, yeah, Sedona coin.

Yeah, Sedona coin.

Yeah.

Just imagine though, like on Saturday morning you wake up and it's just, you know, oh, Siwoo Kim, he sprayed his drive left on 4.

Mm-hmm.

I'm sure nobody up and down.

I'm sure nobody would. Yeah.

But if you just keep doing it, if it's every shot.

Yeah, pretty long off the tee. Yeah.

Also, I ended up in the New York Post because I got involved in the, in the interlocking of fingers. Look, friends sometimes go to a very romantic hotel 2.5 hours from Phoenix and they interlock fingers.

It happens.

Shit happens.

Yeah.

Kate and I got set up in the interlocking of fingers.

I also saw Zach.

Oh.

Like you were outdoors.

Kate and I went outdoors.

Were you in a dumpster, Zach? They were spying on me and Memes.

We're not sure who it was, but they caught us.

We're out.

Well, I guess the story is broke now. Yeah, we're out in the hallway or down the tunnel.

They caught us in the, in the parking lot. It was tough. Yeah, it's hard to do that. The one thing I learned from doing the interlocking fingers with Kate was it's hard to do that and not have it be like very awkward or sensual. It has to either be sensual or it's awkward or super romantic. Yeah, it's a very romantic way you hold someone's hands.

Yeah.

It's not a normal holding of hands. That's not a first time handhold. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

But yeah, I'm glad that we got Jerry on because Jerry. Jerry was texting us all night, you know, on. On Tuesday night, just like putting us to the fire before we even recorded anything. And we get into it, we. We address a lot of the concerns with Jerry.

Yeah, yeah. I mean the, the bang bang of the story.

No.

no pun intended, but the— it happened and then we had to record right after. That was— that had us a little, little thrown for a loop. I woke up on Wednesday morning. I was like, I will see what if whatever, whatever else comes out.

But this does—

on a rooftop in a romantic setting like that, I think it's, it's, it's tough to, tough to wiggle out of that.

It's a bad look.

It's tough to wiggle out of them. I did see you— picture of you at the pool.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I was really embarrassed. Dave, Dave, I guess, has contacts at that same hotel. So he released a picture. It was myself, Diana, Vrabel, and the Boston guys. Yeah, the Boston guys were there just all hanging out at the pool. Well, yeah, they, you know, the picture kind of speaks for itself. I think I might be massaging Vrabel's feet in that one.

Yeah.

Will's got his, got his knee brace on. Always got to stay safe.

Well, I mean, I think what happened here is pretty clear. Like, the Boston guys probably saw me and you hung out at the pool a couple of weeks ago. And so they're like, oh, all right, let's do that.

I want to hang out.

Yeah, we want to hang out at the pool.

Yeah.

Yeah. Listen, it could all just be a big misunderstanding of elaborate handshake. There was fingers locked, hug.

Memes is back there. I just— in full— for full journalistic transparency, he was doing the blowjob motion with his tongue and cheek and the hands.

Yeah. Listen, I mean, it's tough to get out of. Yeah, it's a tough one. It's a tough one to get out of.

It is. I've—

the Sedona— what a— by the way, not shout out, but kind of shout out the incredible photography. Like, the backdrop was insane. So that was the zoomed out one.

Sedona is a beautiful place.

Yeah, that, that is a— that's a frameable picture.

Beautiful spot.

It's a frameable—

I would almost say that that could be entrapment. Like, if you, if you go with a buddy to Sedona and you're in the presence of those rocks you're going to fall in love. Yeah, that's just how it is.

It's two buddies hugging in front of like the most idyllic backdrop you could possibly have. Just two buddies.

I can't tell you how many bros trips and bachelor parties have gone to Sedona and then just turned into a gay orgy.

Yeah, it would be funny if Rabel just did a press conference like, what, guys can't have friends? Yeah, we can't bro out in front of the fucking— what are those? What's that mountain range?

I don't know what those, uh, the red rocks are.

It's—

yeah, it's, uh, the foothills of the Grand Canyon.

Yeah, it's like— it's probably like Lover's Lane or something, if we're being honest.

I did— I, I kept refreshing and kept hoping that the AJ Brown trade breaking today would have been the funniest thing ever.

Yeah, the, the Mogollon Rim. Well, that's not— you can't put rim in there.

Come on.

All right, National Sports Podcast, National Sports Podcast. I have some stats that I want to, uh, blow your guys' minds. You ready for this? I have 3, and we can— we can— we can— you guys can decide which ones are going to blow your mind the most. But I have 3 stats I wanted to throw out there. We can go any direction we want on these. The first stat is a baseball stat. You ready for this one? So this was yesterday. I don't know, the Dodgers are going to play today, so, uh, who knows if this stat stays true, but it was as of— let me see, let me get the date right just so you know. We never get stats wrong on the show. It was as of Wednesday. With Shohei Ohtani getting on base and throwing 6 scoreless innings today, MLB's longest active on-base streak is now up to 43 games. MLB's longest active scoreless inning streak among starting pitchers is now 28.2 innings pitched. Shohei Ohtani has both of them. That's insane.

That's nuts.

He has the longest active streak of scoreless innings and longest active streak of games on base. Yeah, that's just silly.

What can you do? What can you do at this point?

It's, it's honestly, he's at the, he's at the like statistical point. He is like in the Barry Bonds range of when you Barry Bonds. There's two guys in baseball, Barry Bonds and Tony Gwynn. When you throw out a Barry Bonds or Tony Gwynn stat, It just sounds so ridiculous, but it's the truth. And you're just like, holy fuck, how is that real?

I think also you could put Greg Maddux maybe in there. There's a few of like some of the no-hitters or some of the complete games that he had in like 80 pitches. Yeah. Are fucking insane to read about. But yeah, Shohei Ohtani, he is, he's the best. He is a top 5 pitcher and he's a top 1 hitter in baseball right now, which is insane to think that somebody was able to get good enough at both those things. They should limit the amount of starts that he can have pitching. Yeah.

Also, in terms of fairness, I'm reading this. He did give up a run like after this tweet. So it ended at 28.2 innings pitched.

Never mind, he sucks.

But 28.2 innings pitched and 43 games straight on base.

Yeah, the Shohei pitching falloff will be studied.

Oh yeah.

All right.

Stat number 2. What would you guys say? That's pretty impressive stat. Yeah, extremely pretty impressive stat. Here's one that I never thought I'd be like, wow, but it's pretty cool. Do you know that Chet Holmgren In his entire basketball career, has never been anything but a 1 seed while playing.

That's insane.

Yeah, that is kind of crazy.

So in high school, in Minnehaha Academy, 2018, 1 seed, 2019, 1 seed, 2020, 1 seed, 2021, 1 seed. Gonzaga, 2022, he was a 1 seed. 2023, he missed the NBA season with an injury. And then '24, '25, and now this year with the '26 Oklahoma City Thunder, 1 seed. Every single team he's played for has been a 1 seed.

Yeah, I was trying to think.

That's nuts.

So the year he was out in the NBA. Yeah, that was— we're not counting that because obviously that was the get ready year for the Thunder.

Yeah, but that's so silly.

Yeah. Good for— but how many championships has he won?

1.

Okay.

Well, no, I'm assuming he won some in high school.

Yeah, probably won some state titles, I would assume.

Yeah, he definitely won some in high school. If he didn't, then he's Maybe, maybe this is a reverse stat and he's a bust.

That's what I was going to say. Like, if he, if he hasn't won, then you could look up— that would be what, 4 times as many years he loses when he has a 1 seed?

I'm looking right now. He won at least 2.

Okay.

3.

Yeah. 4.

He won all 4.

Okay.

Yeah.

So he's just good.

All right.

That's how it works. Yeah.

So really it was the Gonzaga year that's like, wow, that's disappointing.

That's really Mark Few.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The only— the only Chet stopper is Mark Field.

Yeah.

Who can stop— who's stopping this man and his two giant German Shepherds?

Yeah. Yeah. All-time video.

Yeah. Great video.

All-time video. Those dogs were everywhere.

I think the dogs were drunk.

They were everywhere in that car. All right. Last stat. That was impressive stat, right? Yeah. Last stat is a Jokic stat, which he is also— he's in the category of the Shohei Ohtani stuff. Um, so Jokic, there's 3 games left in the NBA season. He leads the league in both rebounds and assists per game. No player in NBA history has ever led both categories, even across different seasons.

Wow.

Pretty insane. And then here's a really nuts one. Uh, there have been over 1.4 million total 10-game spans by players in NBA history, including playoffs. In none of them did a player have as many points, rebounds, and assists as Nikola Jokic during the Nuggets' current 10-game winning streak. In the 10-game winning streak that they're on right now, he has 252 points, 145 rebounds, and 127 assists.

I'm glad that you're bringing these stats up because especially with Jokic, we've become completely desensitized to how good he is. It's kind of crazy how desensitized we've become. Like the guy is doing stuff that has never been dreamed about.

Again, this is a 10-game span. Yeah. 1.4 million total 10-game spans right now. In his current 10-game span, he is averaging, averaging 25 points, 14.5 rebounds, 12, almost 13 assists a game. That's so stupid. He's so fucking good.

I feel like we almost need to dumb the stats down more for us so that we truly can comprehend how crazy they are. It's Because it's, it's, it's insane what, what he's been doing.

And I'm excited for the NBA playoffs because of guys like Jokic. It's going to be fucking sick to watch. He's the man.

Yeah.

Like last night or on Wednesday night, you could say he had kind of an off night because he only— he went 14, 16, and 10. Kind of a bad night. Kind of a bad night for pedestrian.

Yeah. Yeah.

Like the, the few nights ago, he only had 8 rebounds and 13 assists, which like, that sucks.

How many?

How many did have 40 points in that game? Game. But yeah, kind of a bump.

I want to see him get a quadruple-double.

Oh, with blocks?

Yeah.

Yeah, he doesn't— he's not like the biggest block—

blocks or steals.

Yeah, he had the, the two— or on Monday night he had 35 points, 14 rebounds, 13 assists, and 5 steals.

It's still a great game.

Yeah, yeah, it's an okay—

it's pretty good. Yeah, great game. I would like to see the, uh, quadruple-double. Um, I would also like to see You think he's ever gotten a triple-double in the first half?

Hmm.

I don't know. I wonder what the fastest triple-double that Jokic has gotten is.

Fastest triple-double. Let's see if we can get it. Jokic. Nikola Jokic holds the record for fastest triple-double in NBA history, achieving the feat in just 14 minutes and 33 seconds.

What the fuck? Insane. In just over a quarter?

Yeah, 14 minutes and 33 seconds.

That's crazy.

That's—

how is that possible?

The previous record was 17 minutes in 1955. That's crazy.

Yeah, he's amazing.

Jokic broke his own record in a game where he did not miss a single shot until the triple-double was secured, often referred to as one of the most unbreakable records in modern history. Jesus Christ.

We talked to Boban about him.

Yeah, we did. So yeah, the, yeah, the next closest in the modern era is Russell Westbrook. It did it in 17 minutes and 35 seconds. 14:33. I, you know what, and this is not because he's in the hospital getting surgery. I actually totally defended being too scared to play in Denver. I do. You'd be like, that's— I'm looking at these Jokic stats.

I'm like, why?

I would never want to do that. I actually want to do that.

I would go one further. I'd say it's actually a plus mark for Embiid. Like intelligence.

Yeah, right.

Yeah.

Like he's smart guy.

You know when you're beat before you're beat.

Thinking man's basketball.

Don't even go. Like, right, Max? Thinking man basketball. He's right.

Right.

I think the booth just cut out. I think the booth just—

I'm done. I'm done with this discourse.

Like, the smartest thing you can do in life is know when to walk away.

Yeah.

And know when to run.

Yeah.

Or when to get wheeled off the court. Mm-hmm.

That's facts.

You haven't had a basketball team ever.

It's not true.

Next year.

No, it's not true. Not true.

Like, you're building a monster right now and you're a fan of the Wizards. No, no, though, it's actually really funny to say just the word Wizards.

Yeah.

I'm not a fan of the Wizards. I gave—

I— All right, fine. All right, fine. If they ever get good.

No, next year.

No, no, no, no, no.

Next year.

I'm not a fan of the Wizards.

Okay. I might be a fan of the Wizards. There has been one time that the Wizards were fun and then our stars tried to shoot each other.

Mm-hmm.

I started to watch that one too. Yeah, it's a good one.

I fell asleep.

That one is a good one.

It's a really good way. I mean, what could have been with Gilbert Arenas and that whole crew? It was fun.

Yeah. Did you guys— So the last thing I had was it's just transfer portal season for basketball.

It sucks. Everyone's getting— everyone's in the transfer portal.

Portal. Max, you've been ravaged by it.

I know we got one guy back.

Yeah, Badgers are a big, big getback. John Tyler Perkins, John Blackwell maybe going to Duke is going to— is going to crush me.

Yeah. Well, we had— we had Con Canipple on Wake Up Barstool this morning and I asked him for you. I said, well, first I asked him how many times he saw you coming your pants when Duke lost. And then he was like, yeah, I think he— he rubbed that in too far.

But no, in my pants.

Yeah.

Oh, I didn't rub it in. No, like in his face.

Oh, oh, not to say it just kept flowing.

Yeah, you didn't rub the cum in his face. You rubbed you cumming into his face. Anyways, I asked him if just like maybe one of his brothers can stay in Wisconsin.

Yeah.

And he was like, well, we're recruiting.

Yeah, we're recruiting the next Knipple.

His younger brother is talking to Wisconsin right now. Nice. I just tried to put it in his ear.

Like, I got to get him on.

Just keep one Knipple in-house.

Was he fun?

He's a good guy.

Yeah. Okay, I'm happy that you— I mean, he did choke himself last year. They choked.

He did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's crazy. And we also have one of my favorite parts of the transfer portal is the guys who— I think this happened with when the Badgers lost Chucky Hepburn because he had a Bucky tattoo. But did you guys see the Nebraska player who got a tattoo of— he got 28-7, which is the record Nebraska had this year. Kind of a weird tattoo anyway. And then he went in the transfer portal.

I mean, maybe that was his way of being like, dude, I'll always love you guys. I always like what a special season that is. I'll even get it tattooed. All right, see you.

I feel like 28-7, you can't— that's not good enough.

Better than getting 187 on your arm. Yeah, yeah.

But like, you got to be like 31-3, 31-4.

Yeah, 28. But you should just get the bracket tattooed.

I know, like, you just get Nebraska.

If I, if I won a college basketball national championship, I would get the entire '68 team bracket tattooed across my back.

You'd be like the Indianapolis Marriott.

Yeah. Yeah, it would be the— you ever seen the movie Red Dragon?

Yes. Yeah, great movie. Underrated movie. Yes.

Great, great movie. My entire back would just be covered with a tattoo of the bracket, and I would just circle, circle myself in the middle. Yeah.

Zach, do you have anything else for us before we get to Jerry O'Connell? And then we're going to have Boban. Good game coming up tonight. Uh, we got a Celtics-Nicks, 6:30. Oh, okay. Any predictions?

I like to predict Knicks win.

Okay, Hank?

I'd like to predict the Celtics.

Oh wow, we got, uh, Memes, can you break the tie? I would also like to see the Knicks win, but okay, I think this is a feel-out game for both teams. A feel-out game? What happens in a feel-out game?

Uh, well, Dylan Brown's out.

Yeah, so, and so is Derek White. So it's mainly for Tatum. Knicks haven't played Tatum this year.

You got it. You got to feel him. You got to feel body on body.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Touch hands.

Are we going to lose the Sixers-Celtics first round matchup? Are we on—

Sixers might not even get the 7th seed. So.

Hmm.

So you got the Flyers, though.

So we are going to lose it is what you're saying. I don't want to lose it, but we're going to lose it.

I mean, there's a lot of things that need to happen.

7.

Okay, the, the hope is not— the hope for it is still there, but who do you guys have left? We have the Rockets tonight without Embiid, and that'll put us in a tie for this, for the 8th.

With—

if we lose tonight, we'll be tied with the 8th, and then we have 2 tanking teams.

Okay, but I don't know, the tanking has, has somehow managed to increase in the NBA.

Oh, it's crazy.

Like, we, we talked about a couple shows ago, but, uh, there are teams They got caught fouling while they were up. Yeah. In the fourth quarter. No, it's nuts.

And yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm watching it because the Bulls are— they won a game the other night. It's like, why did you just win a game that hurts us? What are you doing?

Big time. There's also— I don't know how to talk about this news, but the Department of Justice has opened a probe into the NFL over the TV deals that they have and the streaming rights. Zach, would you mind reading an article about it and then recapping it for us? Because I reached out to Florio to get a very dumb explanation that I could understand. And his explanation actually made me like not understand it at all. It made me more confused in it. I could try to grab some SparkNotes for you. Yeah, this is what Florio says. It's part of the NFL's effort to get the networks and Amazon to pay more for settled deals.

Hmm.

I don't know.

Get to the bottom of it for Monday.

Yeah, we need a detailed dive into this, Zach.

Okay.

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Yes.

Left hand up. If you're not a lefty, can you still buy the pack for like a lefty friend?

You can. Yeah, but yeah, it's a collector's item.

You could buy it for a lefty friend, but I would be worried about getting it into your car if you're not a lefty. Yeah, because like, like picking it up as a non-lefty, it's not built for right.

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So it's double-click lefties with your left hand. Reach out, reach across. Yeah, click left.

And also like it's one of those things where you might not be a lefty now, but you can buy it and have it. And then if you ever see the pack, give me the pack.

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It's left-handed technology. All right, so go get a Twisted Tea today. Grab a refreshing Twisted Tea today. Okay, here he is, Jerry O'Connell. Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest. It is our fantasy expert Jerry O'Connell, who has now gotten a new title. He is Pardon My Take Budsman to tell us, uh, what we got wrong. This is— I realize this, Jerry, like something happened in the last, I don't know, probably 6 months where I'm like, Jerry's just part of our life forever. And he's just— you're just— we're not getting rid of you and I love you so much, but you're just part of our life forever. That's just what it is.

Everyone should have a friend like Jerry O'Connell. Yeah, that tells you the painful truth sometimes.

Yeah.

And that's why we love you, Jerry.

And he's in his pool. For anyone who's watching on Netflix, uh, he is in his pool right now. He's having a great— he's looking great. He's maybe— how many laps did you do today, Jerry?

I do my, uh, I do my 20 minutes every morning. I come in, I do, uh, 20 minutes. Okay, I'm just getting ready for the, uh, I'm getting ready for the bachelor party. It's just— listen, guys, it's just a simple pool. It's a simple Southern California pool. It's not like an adults-only, like, special spa exclusive, $2,000 a night. It's just a simple, not heated pool. There's no, like, fountain squirting around.

Yeah, no hot tub.

Um, no, no hot tub, no rooftops, nothing, nothing crazy.

Yeah.

Um, guys, thank you, uh, thank you so much for letting me be a part of this. It's funny, it's been a crazy week. Uh, it's been a crazy week obviously for everybody, but for some reason it's been really crazy for part of my take. Like, this story, you, you have to admit, and I'm good, first of all Anything I say today is alleged. Okay. When this is being read in a courtroom, I want it to be read that I said any alluding we make toward an affair or a relationship is alleged. Allegedly, there is an affair going on. We have no proof. There's just some finger locking. There's some dancing on a rooftop.

What if I say, can I, I don't have to say alleged if I say that, you know, just finger locking with your boys.

You can say that, but I'm saying if I allude to an affair today, correct, when this is being read in a courtroom— yeah, those guys are finger-licking. Yeah.

Hey, listen, who hasn't gone to a private hotel, a sex hotel, 2.5 hours away from Scottsdale to finger-lick?

And Jerry, also, we can read into the record, you're a very successful, famous actor.

Yeah.

So like, this is a monolog that you're doing. It's a character.

This is, um, this is, uh, uh, no guys, this is really me talking. I'm just, but I'm just saying it's an alleged affair. It is so funny, guys. If you, if, and I should ask this of everyone in the room, especially people who are about to get married, okay? Because it's funny. Who's in a relationship there? Big Cat is. Max is about to be married. Yes.

Yeah.

Jerry, remember you met my kids.

I know, I hung out at your house. I taught them, uh, I was talking to them about, uh, uh, what Nicky Smokes was doing at the, uh, at the summer house.

The exact quote was in front of my, uh, 4- and 2-year-old was, do you really think this Nicky Smokes guy's a rapist? And I was like, Jerry, it's my 4- and 2-year-old right here.

Okay guys, enough bullshitting. Let's, let's get to the nitty-gritty because it's been really funny. It's actually been, it's been fun hearing you guys this week because It's been really tough for both of you. It's been really hard. Like, you guys aren't allowed to talk about this. And Wednesday's show was the most insane part of my Take show because no offense to Max Homa, who was a great guest and a very, very, very, very special guest. It was like I couldn't listen to anything else after that news dropped.

Yeah.

And while you guys have been really put in a tough position, let's just acknowledge who's really put in the tough position in this alleged situation that's happening.

Memes.

Which is the what, fellas?

The finger lock.

Not memes.

Memes.

No, who is in the— who is in the worst position here, guys?

Diana. Hey, physically, Max.

Children.

Oh yeah, yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that. That part is sad. I agree.

Okay, so let's just acknowledge that.

Good. Okay, yes, good acknowledgement.

Okay. That said, if you guys ever see my wife finger locking with Todd Munkin or Shane Steichen or Kevin Stefanski, I want you to go full, full in. None of this, oh, we know Jerry, we know Rebecca, we can't—

yeah, we don't know Rebecca. So, uh, she— you've, you've banned her from talking to us.

What would—

what about you interlocking with someone famous, what would you want us to do there? Good question.

Great question. Great question. I got to tell you, and this brings up a very interesting point, okay? Because I found the finger locking. I didn't see the finger locking photos until later. I just saw the pool ones.

Yeah.

Is finger locking more intimate? Okay, let's, let's just bring up another similar example. Yeah, uh, Coach, Coach Meyer was filmed in a bar putting, not interlocking fingers, but maybe putting a finger in a young lady's anus.

Yeah, the old Chinese finger trap.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay. But it was actually in— it was in the pants. It was like in the—

it was wedged.

Yeah, in the anus, right?

I don't know if it was in the pants. It was on the— it was brushing the anus.

It was a coed's anus. Yeah, it was being touched.

It was. Yeah, this is very funny too because Urban Meyer, I like always forget, like, stop sniffing your fingers.

Cheers.

Urban Meyer is a co-worker now.

Oh, is he really?

Yeah. Sorry.

Oh, so you guys can't No, I just said he did. Hold on a second, I'm doing work, dude. I'm doing work. Just give me a second.

Um, was that your dog?

Oh gosh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, well, I have another dog too here for, for those on Netflix if you want to get your money's worth. Um, come here, come here, come here, come here. Come, come, come, come, come here.

Train your dog.

Your dog doesn't respect you. Yeah. You gotta work on that.

Anyway, okay, what is more— let me ask everyone in the room, what is more internet? I mean, what is more— what is more intimate, the finger locking or what Urban Meyer did? Because this is a very good question. It seems this alleged affair, alleged affair, was premeditated, meaning someone made a reservation, two people drove out, they met up They went back to meetings. That's what the timeline allegedly seems to be if this alleged affair actually happened. Or is it less offensive that you just happen to be in a bar in Ohio and you put a digit in somebody's anus?

What is more—

what is more to you as a spouse? What would be more offensive? Because I gotta tell you, I think the premeditation for me would be more offensive.

Yeah, I, I actually— I tend to agree with you on that one. Like, anyway, everyone's been in a bar and like fingers slip into places that they normally don't go to. That's, you know, spur of the moment. You have a couple few, uh, you know, a few too many twisted teas. Who amongst us? But yeah, the premeditation, they're like planning it out, like getting online if you have to like book a reservation. And then yeah, that, that to me does feel like a bigger betrayal.

It'd be like, it'd be like, you know, we, you know, Jerry, that some of us on this podcast struggle with our weight. Like if we're on a diet and we happen to walk by a cookie and eat a cookie, it's like, well, you know, you slip up. But if if we're on a diet and it's like, hey guys, I actually spent 5 hours last night baking a cake and then I ate the whole thing. It's like, come on, we know what you were doing. You were planning it.

Okay, let's, let's get into this, guys, because you really haven't talked about it. And, um, if you feel uncomfortable with anything, just say I feel uncomfortable with it. First of all, shout out to Sedona. It looks beautiful.

Incredible.

Those shots are— I mean, it's like prehistoric energy. By the way, I want to go there with my wife. Maybe revitalize, do some finger locking like Dancing on a Roof. It looked, uh, it didn't— it look gorgeous. It looks gorgeous.

Yeah, it's really— I drove through there a couple years ago and it's, it's as advertised.

It looks like the perfect place to meet up with your bros.

Okay, here's the big question, here's the big question. Allegedly, if this wasn't alleged, if this was, if this was a physical relationship that we've seen photos of, is this considered a workplace relationship?

So this is an interesting topic that you were texting with PFT and I about the other night, and you kept on saying that the NFL was gonna get involved, uh, and, and fire Diana, but she's not employed by the NFL.

No, no, no, no, I did not say that. I did not say that. I said the NFL is going to get involved. Um, okay. Um, you actually haven't answered my question. Is this a workplace relationship? Anyone can answer.

I think adjacent.

Matt, jump in.

I think they're not coworkers, but they work in the same place.

It's adjacent. It's adjacent. They don't have the same boss.

It would be like if you were just banging another actress. But not on the same— you guys weren't working on the same show, would that be absolutely wrong?

That would be a workplace— oh, not on the same show?

Yeah, that would be completely arbitrary.

No, that's exactly—

if you were just to like fuck another actress, allegedly, but not— but it'd not be the same show, right?

Like if you and Glenn Close had a thing. Yeah, you're not— you haven't worked with her, correct?

I've met Glenn Close. I've met her at an event.

Oh, in Sedona?

At an event? No, I met her at an event in New York, uh, actually Christopher Reeve's son's event. Um, it's a, it's a wonderful organization. Um, I met her at an event.

Sounds like you guys have spent a lot of time together.

Okay, let's just say, let's just say that night, and this is— this did not happen because I don't want to offend. Glenn Close has children, I have children. I don't want to get anyone in trouble here. Let's just say Glenn Close and I finger-locked hard that night, um, just nuck to nuck, nuck to nuck. Um, would that be considered— I was being paid that night.

Yeah.

Would that be considered, would that be considered the workplace?

I don't think so.

I would say no.

I don't think so.

It's somebody else's workplace, but I don't, if you don't have the same employer, I think it's, it's hard to say that that's, it's adjacent and relationships with like reporters and, and the people that they cover. I don't, I don't think that they're coworkers. They, they share the same space sometimes, but I, It might be each person's workplace, but not a shared workplace.

Right. Like there's, you know, you share reporters and sources share space, like whether it be stadiums and the venue and sex hotels at Sedona, like they share, they share places.

All right. You guys really didn't answer that question, but that's okay.

I think we didn't answer it the way you wanted.

Hey guys, hey guys, hey guys, hey guys. Let's just be serious for a moment because this is like some serious shit. Okay.

Okay.

Um, does this— it— let's just say I'm HR and I look into this situation. Does the disclosure— hey guys, um, is it— this isn't a laughing matter.

You're wearing a Speedo right now and you don't understand they don't have the same employer.

Does— they kind of— are they the NFL? I believe under that umbrella. Okay, okay. Hey guys, answer this, answer this. Does this Does this alleged affair, alleged affair, hurt their companies that they individually work for? Yeah.

Yes. You can make that argument.

Yeah. I, I just, I think it's fun, Jerry. I'm laughing because there is a lot of, uh, bad parts of this story and you're very hung up on like the HR part, which I, they don't have the same employer.

It is an HR situation, Big Cat. It is a workplace.

There's a conflict of interest for sure.

For sure.

Allegedly.

But it's not two co-workers.

Okay, okay, okay, okay. And answer this, how does this— because this will make a little more sense maybe to all of you. Okay, tell me how this would hurt their potential. How would this alleged affair hurt their employers?

Bad. Yeah, no, I agree, it's embarrassing. Uh, it's—

spell it out for me. For— spell it out.

For Diana, it's like, you know, her job as an NFL insider journalist, like, there's a lot of conflicts of interest for Coach Rabel. Same thing. Like, there's a lot of conflicts of interest if they're having a, a relationship like this and they didn't disclose it. So you're right.

All right, maybe we should ask Max this question. Max, how is this going to affect you? They're not possibly next season.

They did say they're not. They said they were just, they just finger-locked.

Next season, uh, I, the one thing that I think that it will affect, I think Diana will be doing a lot less reporting of AJ Brown to the Patriots going forward. Yes, that's the one thing that I think it effect.

Yes.

I don't think she could do more though. So correct.

But I think it'll now turn to zero, probably zero amount.

Yeah, that's probably a fair assumption. Yeah. But Big Cat was making a good point. It's like they— it's— they don't— first of all, they work for two different companies. And if you're saying like, what would the impact on her if there was an alleged affair, what would that be?

It would—

I guess you could make the argument it would affect subscriptions to The New York Times if people are— to The Athletic— if people don't believe what she's saying. That would be like the business implication, if that's what you're looking for.

No, I'm just looking for an HR person who works at a company.

I'm very confused about what you're asking.

This is what I'm asking. Is this an HR situation? Is this a workplace relationship?

The Athletic has also said that they like have her back. So I don't think that I don't think that the Athletic HR department is involved yet.

Do you want us to make it an HR? Because we have an HR rep at Barstool, we could get her involved.

Uh, I, I, I think this is— I, I can't, I can't imagine that HR is not involved in this situation. Now listen, here's another big thing. Here's another big thing. Whatever happens to— who do you think with— if this alleged situation is real, um, who do you think is in more trouble?

Uh, probably Diana. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, 100%.

Yeah, because it's the NFL insider journalist part of it, uh, that is very much in question.

Now, I, I, I'm really sorry to get a little deep here, But we do have to bring gender into this because there's two different genders that are here. Okay, um, don't you think that whatever happens to Diana, reciprocal equal thing has to happen to Coach Rabel? Yes, with this alleged affair.

But can I ask, can I just ask a follow-up question before we get to that?

Yeah.

You said two different genders. Your wife and your two daughters, are they going to be upset that you said that?

Okay, you're making a joke to a podcast I did with Bill Maher. I'm sorry I cheated on you. I'm never doing that. I already said I'm never doing a podcast again. Oh gosh, it's so funny. People text me all the time, will you do my podcast? And I just get to write back, I don't do podcasts anymore.

By the way, you know what you should start doing? You should start having, you should send them to Zach. Zach can screen him for you.

I am never, I'm never doing a podcast again. They now on the Everything app call me a F-word cuck. And that's a really bad F-word. Guys, I swear. Let me just tell like the MAGA people, I swear I don't like to watch Zach fuck my wife. It's not what I'm into. Okay. I've never been into it. You can stop calling me an F-word cuck. It's just not my thing.

Okay.

My thing is pardon my take.

Yes, to answer your question, I think it should be— yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, I think if you're just talking in terms of like what would the right thing to do be, I think equal punishment if it's like a workplace violation like you think. Ideally, people would be judged the same way in this alleged situation regardless of their gender. Ideally.

Okay. Hey, listen, I don't think there should be any punishment. I believe live and let live. And if people want to do this, they have to deal with their stuff personally. But what do you foresee as, if any, any reactions by their employers? What do you think is going to happen?

That's what I was saying, that The Athletic, they made a statement in that article saying that they had her back. So I don't know that The Athletic's going— like, unless there's something else that happens, I don't know that they— because I'm not a lawyer, but if you take action against an employee and you're found to have done that prematurely without enough evidence, then you could get sued by that person. So the New York Times has a legal department that I'm sure is like way bigger than I could even imagine. So they're probably taking things super slowly. And same thing with the Patriots. I think that like if there's like a punishment or whatever you want to call it, It would probably have to be if there was something else that happened that corroborated it.

Is, uh, I mean, Max sort of touched on this, like, can Diana cover the Patriots ever again?

I don't know.

It would be tough.

It's going to be tough for her going forward. Like, just being honest, like, it's, it's not, none of this is good. So, and I think if you're at, if you're asking like what exactly is next, I think they're probably going to try to just keep going and hope the internet keeps moving and they'll have to deal with jokes forever.

And I mean, Hank, I don't want to point any fingers at the Patriots organization, but given what Vrabel has told to Boston with the Boys in the past, if you guys had won the Super Bowl, this wouldn't even be a question.

True. Wow.

Yeah, it's Hank's fault.

Well, you know, this is actually an interesting point, and Hank, you've got to say something here because this really affects you, okay? And you've been a little quiet on this whole thing. Um, that is a great point about winning the Super Bowl. Um, let's just say the Patriots have a tougher schedule than last season. Some people say they had an easy schedule last season. I'm not one of those people. But let's just say they go 0-2. Okay. Like, Hank, what noise, what noise is happening now after this situation?

0-2 would be no noise. My real issue or concern as a Patriots fan is who hired a photographer to get these pictures?

Okay. We're going to get to that.

We're going to get to that.

Because that's all like, there is an op out there. That took these pictures, painted them in a light where it looked as bad as it could possibly be and blasted them to the world.

He's being evasive, Jerry.

Who cares that much and has that much like—

memes, memes, talk.

That's your only concern as a Patriots fan?

Oh, let memes talk.

Questions. No, Hank, no. Answer my question. What happens to the noise next season if the Patriots go 0-4?

It gets loud.

Does this become a distraction? Answer the question.

No, this will not. This will be an afterthought by the time the season starts.

You can't get Hank to admit it. I'm just going to— I'm going to let you know, you can keep pushing, but Hank's already dug in on the no answer. But yeah, I think that this is a non-story. Vrabel said this is out of context characterization, and I agree. Hank always knows that he's got the 'they hate us because they ain't us' button that he can press.

Jerry, my coach said that this is a bad representation of what the situation was, and that is my stance as well. Jerry, can I ask a question real quick?

Of you.

Yeah.

Uh, what would you say is the impact? And could you maybe, uh, give us a little, uh, fantasy preview of the AFC East? What's the impact there?

Um, that's a reference for those who maybe— for those who are maybe just like new listeners because you have Netflix and you're like, what is this show? Who's the shirtless guy in this pool? Is this— is this Euphoria season 3? Um, I'm their fantasy expert, and every time I come on, I do a 2-hour— I do a 2-hour breakdown of the league. Um, but we have, we have more, we have more pressing, uh, things to talk about here.

The fantasy always cracks me up.

You know what, Hank, let me, let me ask you something, and let's see if Hank can answer this question. How does— because the Patriots seem to be, uh, seem to have a lot of these distractions— how does this compare to the orchids of Asia situation.

Well, that one was confirmed.

That one was confirmed. You know, that was—

well, we never saw the tape.

Well, Jerry, we have a longstanding policy on this show. Before we believe anything, we got to see PNV.

I've always said that.

Or HONP.

Or HONP is fine.

But H&H, that's hand in hand.

Until we see that. Well, H&H could be— that could be just Italian.

Yeah.

I'm actually surprised that Max hasn't defended her on Netflix.

Now you can say hand on penis. You're on Netflix. There's no more— we're not on YouTube anymore.

That's true. Yeah, yeah, it is true that Max— Max, there's an easy out here. Well, I don't even know where Max lands on this, but like, what if that's just— that was just an Italian hello? The Italians just are— they're touchy people, sensual people.

Also, we won the Super Bowl that year, so this could be like a, uh, you know, start of the championship DVD situation.

Do you think this picture makes the championship DVD?

DVD?

Yeah, maybe like a pre—

a precursor, start of the championship DVD.

Yeah.

Wow. So Hank, you have nothing? Like, what's your final answer with how does this compare to that situation?

It's like, that was worse because it was in the playoffs.

That was more of a distraction because it was in the playoffs. This is— we're in, we're in April. By the time the season starts, we're not even going to be talking about this.

So I, you know, you can bring up something that's— I'm gonna bring up something that's kind of a bummer here. Um, uh, for those who aren't familiar, off the lawn, Jerry, just heads up. Olivia Nuzzi. Olivia Nuzzi was, um, a reporter for Vanity Fair that got into a digital relationship with RFK.

Do you mean digital as in fingers or as in online?

So many fingers. So many fingers, so little time. No, an emotional— like, I think they were just texting each other.

Okay.

And she was let go.

I think it was more than that. Yeah. I think it was more than just texting each other, Jerry.

Was it physical? The senator of South Carolina too?

Yeah. Also the governor of South Carolina. Yeah. There's a couple of guys she was involved with.

Jerry, you're supposed to be her ombudsman. We're losing on facts here.

I know where Jerry's going.

A, like, breach of trust journalistic thing. I, I think we can all agree that sports is not politics, so it— and there's going to be—

yeah, so this situation is different because that deals with politics and this is sports, so sports aren't serious?

I, I think it's a little bit more serious if it's like the people that are running the country. I, I don't think that's crazy to say that.

Okay, um, Let's talk about who took these pics because I really do want to know who took these pics and I want to get to the bottom of it. And I studied them a lot. And the question is, and I want everyone including Max, including Memes to jump in here, who benefits from these photos getting out?

The Eagles maybe?

Someone, an up-and-coming NFL insider.

Yeah.

Hmm.

Huh.

Wouldn't they have put their name? Hey, Hank, wouldn't they?

No, because they're trying to take Diana off of her. There's two. You're either going from the who wants to take down Rossini. The Vrabel one, I don't like.

Who wants to take down Vrabel?

As bad as it is, I don't think it's going to affect his job the way it's going to affect Diana's job. You know what I'm saying?

That's fucked up, Hank. Hank, that's fucked up.

Fucked up.

It's not.

I'm not saying what you're— I'm not saying you're fucked up. I'm saying in society, that's fucked up.

It is fucked up.

It's definitely fucked up.

It is fucked up.

Why is that not fucked up?

Yeah, because Rabel's job is to coach football players.

Yes, but correct.

Diana's job is to get inside sources and like be an ins— like, that part is—

that is—

but if, if what people are saying about Diana, one of his players, that would be, that would be in a similar, you know, he's using the media to his advantage. That is fucked up.

Yeah. The AJ Brown, so the Eagles, yes, there's a theory out there. The Eagles could have maybe taken the pictures because the AJ Brown trade rumors was, you know, AJ Brown's trade, his value was getting deflated recently. He's thinking.

But wait, are you talking to me?

Yeah, we were trying to—

were you talking to Hank?

We were trying to answer your question.

Sorry.

Teams, coaches, agents always leverage, try and leverage reporters as best they can. That's a tale as old as time.

Yes.

But that's not okay.

Let me just say right now. Let me just say right now because I've seen the memes. Out there and everything. There is no way that someone at the Eagles organization that is a very, very, very special guest would ever have done this. I've seen those—

agreed—

doctored-up memes. Yeah, there's just no way. He's a paisan. I'm not joking, Max.

Agreed.

He ever take— he would never take photos of another man with another man's wife. It's something I I don't know him personally, but I can say without a doubt there is no way he had anything to do with those photos. That's not how he would play, period.

Correct.

Yeah.

Was it— was it just— here's the thing. At first I thought, oh, it was just someone at the pool who maybe was an Eagles fan who was like, holy fuck, that's Brady Ball and Rossini in an alleged affair. But by the way, these things were fucking set up. There's photos from inside the restaurant, there's photos from outside the pool. There's photos when they're walking away. They— I, I believe they realized they were being photographed and they've left separately from the pool, fully clothed.

And, and it's, it's not like— it's 2 and a half hours away from, from Phoenix. It's not like a— it's not, you know, uh, oh, we just happened to walk by and see this. It feels like someone might have been tracking them.

Yeah. And also, I, I think Hank's kind of right in the fact that if you look at all the pictures that they have, if somebody's watching and observing them for hours and those are the worst pictures that get put out, it feels like they were trying to find something, you know? And I don't think they found exactly what they were looking for, like no smoking gun.

Uh, you don't think they found a smoking gun?

I think they did. I don't know if you're locking—

is that smoking gun?

I think the private, the private roof. Yeah. Yeah. It was bad.

It was crazy. Um, you know, I, I wonder if it could have been just someone because it is an exclusive hotel.

It's not, I agree with him. It's not a smoking gun. It's a gun. It's a gun. Someone is, someone's got a gun. We're not sure if it's been fired. You would think that over the course of a few hours, they would have found something that's like, a little bit more salacious than the finger locking?

Pretty, pretty salacious. Pretty, pretty salacious.

I agree, Jerry. Is it— the setting, the rooftop, beautiful rocks, by the way.

Gorgeous.

I mean, by the way, like, although I guess it's bad, it's bad PR for the hotel. Maybe it was like the hotel trying to like subliminally advertise, like, we're the affair hotel.

Look at this.

Look at these views we offer.

And they were, they were staked out so crazy. So crazy. Um, you know, I do have to say, um, oh God, I'm gonna be a little, a little rude, guys, and you should probably cut this part out. I just have to do it. Go off. The, the— I will say the bummer this week, guys, I'm gonna be a bit of a bummer. Um, was, uh, the reason we really tuned into, uh, part of my take is that you guys talked about the shit that none of the other mainstream media would talk about. And on Wednesday's show, God, we sounded pretty mainstream, guys. I'm so sorry to say that.

Jerry, can I ask you a question about this? Because I, I've thought about it a lot, and, and, you know, I, I do think Wednesday The immediacy, like it happened at 6 PM. We recorded it at 9 PM. It's a story where we know both people. I agree with you. Like we should have joked about it more. We have joked about it since. But like if you saw two people you know personally in this story and then like were asked to comment immediately after, it would be a little awkward. Like it was, it was a little awkward for us.

Will, hand up. Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think because all the parties affect everyone in that part of my take room, except for the Bears. It doesn't affect the Bears, but no one gives a fuck about the Bears.

No, you're right. What's funny about the story, it's like it was designed in a lab to make everybody in this room have a very strong, interesting reaction to it. And I think what we did on the show was we suppressed all the interesting reactions because we're so close to some of the people. And it was immediate when it happened. I told Big Cat the next day I came in, I was like, I think our big mistake was we should have joked about it right up front and then like said our piece about why we won't dig too far into it right now. Yeah, we should have done soggy sorrows. That's what we should have done.

It also would have been funny.

Yeah, sure.

But it's a good thing that we can let like remember for the future. It's like, in a weird— it's hilarious that this situation happened.

Yeah.

And our little podcast is so like— the tentacles reached so far into this story. But it also at the same time makes it something that we felt very uncomfortable commenting on like right after it happened.

And Jerry, I think you actually went through a similar reaction when you, uh— because it took— it was a delayed reaction for you with the fingies. I, I read the story and I was like, oh, this isn't that bad. And then when I woke up, I was just like, what am I saying? Like, this they're, they're finger locking on a beautiful rooftop at a romantic hotel and hugging, and it's, it's, it's bad. You just have to admit it. It's a bad look.

And I probably came off like a little, a little on the white knight side of things, but it is because like, I don't know, it's a weird position for me to be in, and I hope that it's not true. I really, really hope that it's not, um, because I, I I consider her a very close friend and she's definitely going through right now. So it made it— and it's all from her own doing. So it's not like I'm absolving her of anything, but it's just a weird situation where it's like if you're real-life friends with somebody, you don't want to shit on them to score internet points in front of the world. And so I feel like I need to, like, just give it a couple of days before I start.

I know. I wish it happened on a non-show day because I feel like our reaction would have been a little bit better.

This I understand, and I hope that both of these parties know that we're not shitting on them. Things happen. We completely understand. I really hope that nobody gets in trouble. I mean, obviously there's going to be some explaining to do, but I hope that nobody gets in trouble. PFT, you can cut this out. Have you been in communication with any of the parties?

Yeah, I just sent a text to her. After it happened, just checking in on her like as a person, because I'm sure that she feels like everybody has abandoned her. So I just want to be like, hey, hope you're okay.

Yeah, um, we, uh, I'm not friends with her. We follow each other on X, whatever. But, um, hey Diana, we love you. Um, like, we love you, okay? Nobody's, nobody's angry here. Um, You too, Coach Rabel. You know, I mean, like, we're human. Shit happens, you know. I mean, it is a tough thing to ask human beings to not— things happen, everybody, you know.

How have you worked yourself into a spot where you have to give a statement?

I think Jerry's put himself right in the middle of yourself.

You don't have to say anything, Jerry.

Well, I try to empathize.

Yeah, no, I agree.

You know, I mean, like, yeah, try to empathize with people.

Well, um, and I also think there's an element—

it is, it is—

I was gonna say there's an element of, you know, Jets fans, Eagles fans have had an ax to grind for a while, so that they, they, they, they, they feel a form of, uh, vindication that they want expressed on, on the show.

And I think we have a big, big representation in our audience of Jets fans and Eagles fans, so they're like, what the fuck, why didn't you go after him?

And I get it, I get it, I get that as a sports fan.

Yeah, it just—

it—

I saw people pointing out too that like, as the show grows, we develop friendships in certain places, and then that limits what we feel comfortable joking about. We were going to joke about this eventually, it just is Big Cat's right, like the immediacy of it made it very tough. But also I feel like we've been pretty transparent in the past about like, we're not going to shit on Josh Allen. Yeah, we have, we, we're open about our biases at least at times. But, but yeah, I, I do, I understand from like an Eagles fan's point of view, this thing goes down and they're like, oh yeah, can't wait to hear what the guys say about that. And we probably fell very, very short of what they were hoping to hear.

Yeah, you're, uh, mainstream, whatever. It happens to the best of us. Um, jokes everybody. Um, Hank, let me ask you honestly, um, and, and please try, try and answer this question. Let's answer one question today.

Um, uh, make it the rollback question, Jerry. Make it the rollback question.

You want to know? Because I have a, I have a couple more questions. You can cut this up.

You don't play Jerry O'Connell off.

Okay, but I was saying, like, if you, you have to be up late tonight, but Jerry, I'm saying Hank has to answer the rollback question. You can't not answer the rollback question. That's legally finding. So if you make it that—

okay, Hank, um, we've seen in the— oh, you know what, I'll make this about golf. We've seen in the past golfers who have been busted in infidelity situations, and we've seen it negatively impact their game. Okay, I'm— someone whose initials are Tiger Woods comes to mind. Um, will this alleged situation affect Coach Rabel's game?

I mean, it probably will to some degree. Uh, it happened. Yeah, I would say it might.

Jerry?

Sorry?

Yeah, yeah.

Hello?

Hello?

His answer was it might.

That's the end?

I think that's as much as you're going to get from Hank. I was shocked that he said that.

Yeah.

I don't—

the thing is, Jerry, like, I, again, like Coach Rabel said that this is a misrepresentation of the situation. And until he says otherwise, that's what I'm going with. So based off of his answer, I would actually say no.

So you just talked yourself out of it.

But you already said it might. You had it might. Jerry talked his way out of it.

You should have— Cut your losses, Jerry. I guess walk away while you're ahead.

I got to tell you, we record this on something called the Riverside app, which is an app I have to download every time.

Yeah.

Because I'm sure it's like an app that's taking all my information from— Sorry. And I won't turn it off, Max. I know how this goes. But I thought for sure it froze up. But I forgot I'm talking to Hank and he's going to freeze up on me. Okay.

Yeah.

Coming from you, Jerry.

No, uh, pro—

pro—

no, no, no problem.

Is he making fun of my stutter or my Wi-Fi?

Both.

Both at the same time. I think it's a double.

It's a double punch. Um, hey, um, sorry, I'm at home. I gotta tell you also, I don't heat my pool and I'm fucking free— my nipples have never been so hard. I'm freezing. I'm like shivering. Um, Yeah. Giving the Netflix people a little something. Memes. Memes. Tell us what's the one post that you wanted to just rip away, but Dave Portnoy wouldn't let you rip it.

I started Photoshopping just like a bunch of memes with Vrabel sweater on. So like Tiger Woods.

Tiger Woods.

Like Tiger Woods.

Dan Hurley.

I had a bunch of other videos, but they're just saved. Sad.

Yeah, you know the crazy thing about memes? You got to do them at the moment or sort of over. Send them to me, will you? Send them to me. We have a, we have a texting relationship. Um, okay, Max, because I know it, I know you're— Max is going to figure out a way that this is going to fuck him over. How has this situation fucked you over, Max?

I— this situation hasn't— definitely hasn't fucked me over at all.

Max, if anything, this is a positive for you.

Listen, I don't think— I don't think any of this is a positive. It's a very— it's very different.

Max is a family-first kind of guy.

So real quick, can I Can I just— can I, can I, can I defend my, my guy Max for a second and say one positive? Do we believe that the two sodas was, was real?

There was a lot of people that wanted me to comment on that.

Yeah, I mean, you do have to— it throws things into question.

It throws things in question, of course. I don't know, I, I still feel like uncomfortable talking about it because, because we know Diana, and then there's, you know, we talked about it at the start, the family and the professionally speaking, it's— Eagles fans have a little bit of vindication, and I agree with Eagles fans on that. But I still don't like joking too much about it because it's personal, and I don't like joking about things that have like so many family implications.

Yeah, the kids.

Yeah, I hope that's all of that, right? You know, is under control and everything, and everyone is happy. I don't know, it's an awkward thing for me to joke about. Out. But person— but professionally, vindication for sure for the Eagles. I don't really care about the two sodas thing. Eagles for sure. Eagles for sure.

So vindication. So you don't feel fucked over, you feel vindicated?

Yeah, no, nothing about it was— definitely not fucked over. It's like, a lot of Eagles fans were texting me being like, oh, this is why, this is why, this is And whether that's true or not, that's just the public perception right now.

Mm-hmm. Um, all right guys, uh, listen, now that we've done all that, I wanted to get into something. I want to start with the AFC East. Um, you start with the Jaguars. Okay.

Uh, wrong division, Jerry.

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Max took off his head. He's got his hands over his ears.

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Jerry, you're the best.

Thank you, Jerry.

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We love you.

Great job.

Thank you for holding us accountable, Jerry.

Hey, guys, guys, guys, hold on a second. I gotta show you, um, Um, I have a special— this is a preview for Max. I'm so excited for your bachelor party. Hold on a second, I'm sort of freezing because this pool is so cold. I gotta show you this bathing suit, but oh no, hold on one second. Just like my, my peen, I gotta get some blood flowing. This water is freezing. I swear to God, my dick is bigger.

Yeah, we gotta— okay, representation.

We'll make it bigger on the— oh, look at that.

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I swear my dick is bigger.

Oh my God.

For people who are listening, it's a It's a small bathing suit. What do you call those? The nut huggers? What do you call those?

Uh, bungee smugglers?

Yeah, it's a banana hammock. Banana hammock with Max's face and the pigtails all over it. He got it custom made. Jerry, can you get one of those for all of us?

Yeah, we need to, we need to bring those to Vegas.

I ordered, I ordered 3. Should I get more?

Yeah, get all of them. Get like 20.

How many You need me to get 20?

Yeah, we need 20. We're all gonna have to get in them.

Yeah, unfortunately we're also gonna have to start selling those on the Barstool Store.

Hey guys, I do have to tell you, my dick is bigger.

This water—

I don't heat my pool, I can't afford that. It's freezing. My dick is way bigger than that. Yeah, like for those on Netflix, my dick is bigger.

Yeah, well, remember Jerry, all this was a legend.

No, you saw my— you saw my dick. It's just, it's very small because it's like—

yeah, it's like a legend. Your dick size right now is alleged.

It's an alleged penis. It could have been a clit. Yeah, we're not sure.

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Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest in studio, recurring guest. We had a great time when you were on the show last year. It is Boban in the flesh. Great to see you. How you doing?

I appreciate, uh, I'm doing great because I'm here. First time it was on Zoom, right now we are here, and I love it. I love it. I love it more. I love it more personal.

And you've been on a crazy— I feel like I've seen you, uh, everywhere in the last week or so. You were at the Final Four, you were at the championship game, you were in the student sections. What was that experience like? Because you didn't go to— you know, had you been around any college basketball before?

Look, first time, first time I was like, I was like, this first time on college game. Like, I was one time before this, but you know, it's not really like this serious college, college student section. It's really cool. Like, you know, like you have all this, all this like cheering. They have like when, when the guy get the ball, everybody clapping. They have on their own cheering, their own, their own, their own like place, what they call, their only name sign, how they're cheering, how they're cheering for their teams. And it's amazing, amazing, like when you learn all this type of stuff because I change couple students' action and it's really tremendously amazing, you know, like not like, like I know like couple people get offended because I change too much but the point like I want to discover what is the best one, that's everything point about that and of course yesterday we was like, we was on match betting final game. What is like a first time ever see like 70,000 people watching one game, basketball game. Yeah. And it was like, I couldn't believe that stadium, stadium like this big arena exists.

Yeah.

And like so many people come to watch that really big important game.

Yeah. Were you playing the triangle? I saw you in the Arizona band.

Oh, I killed it. Look, that's my band. Like, you know, like Arizona band have the best band. I know you guys, I know everybody have their own band, but this is my personal favorite because I was playing my first ever instrument in a band on college game, and I have the best time of my life. You know, like I played triangle. I was not good. I was terrible. During the national anthem, we're supposed to stay there, and I supposed to like, you know, you hear the drums, and I want to put the spice with triangle, but it didn't work well. Yeah, because I see the guys when they're laughing laughing in a bed, but I saw the sign, like, for the people, like, like this.

Did you curse Arizona? No, that was the worst game they played. No, wait, was it at the Final Four? Oh, you was before.

I was before.

Okay, well, you might have cursed them.

Look, this— they lost a couple games before I come. I go there, after that I show up, and they play the best they can. They play the best basketball ever. Of course, one game, one game is something like you can change. If they play 4 games, I don't think they will lose like that. Let's go be honest. And they'll compete to beat them, like if you play playoffs, like in NBA. But one game change everything. Like somebody have bad day, good day, sickness, stomach problem, headache. Look, there's not excuse, but I know because I play sports, I know how you can feel, how you can feel sometimes when you step on a court. A lot of publicity, a lot of cameras, a lot of media, a lot of people talk. Oh, people talk bad stuff, good stuff, you know, somebody like, somebody wants you to feel like special, then basically like go from your comfortable zone or do TikToks live before the game. That's not good. But you know, like you need to get focused for the game and be the best you can be because this is one-time happen. Or maybe this year, maybe next year.

Yeah, the same thing. But you know, like, for some people, like, first time ever and maybe last time ever, they will be like— they'll be like, they have opportunity to, uh, to take championship.

Yeah. Do you think you would have played college basketball if you were like— you know, the timing didn't work out, but now you see like Illinois. I don't know if you had a chance to talk to any of the guys on the team. They had guys from, you know, Serbia, they had guys from, uh, yeah, Croatia.

Yeah, yeah.

Like, and like, that's kind of the trend now, especially Arizona, same thing. They had guys from overseas where, like, guys from overseas are, are able to come and make money and play college basketball. It's pretty cool.

Yeah, pretty cool. I agree with that. Like, you know, make, make all this money on beginning of their life, you know. Like, of course, what is your real price? Their price is real price. How much you can get in Europe is not even— it's not even close. It's not even like, I think, 10% of that, of that what you can make in Europe you make here. What is good, what is good for them. And I think you Basically, you start your career with some money in your pocket. It's not some money, it's starting your career rich.

Yeah, with a lot of money.

You come from nothing, but you get rich for 2 years playing in college. And what is the good part? You study, you study your knowledge, and you put your education on high level. Even they pay you fortune to like—

Yeah.

To like, you can put— You learn that all stuff to make a fortune. But basically, They pay you to learn this stuff so you can make even more fortune, right?

There's basically no rules now. You could probably go back and play college basketball in America.

Can I do it?

You might be able to.

No, please check this.

Where would you want to go to school?

I don't know.

Like, you'd go to Purdue. You'd be— yeah, you'd be a Purdue center.

No, I'll go in Arizona. Okay.

Yeah, Arizona is a better choice.

Like, you know, if coach don't put me in the game, I'll go with to, to, to like play triangle.

Yeah.

Because I think I'm practicing and be better, better.

Yeah. What did you think about, uh, the like, uh, Michigan, especially with Mara? Like that guy, you know, their rim denial was insane. And watching the game, how it just becomes such a big part of the game is that rim defense and having a guy who is your height or Mara's height standing there and being able to block all those shots.

True.

You know, like, uh, our presence by the height, it's first, it's first, it's not easy. Secondly, you have, when you have the skills to like, uh, to, you can move and, uh, change the shots. I remember, I remember when I was, uh, when I was in San Antonio, when Tim Duncan tell me, Tim Duncan tell me, he was like, we're not here to block shots, we're here to change shots. Yeah, like, it was not about that. That's the part when you, when you play good defense, it's not about, it's not about how blocks you have, it's about how, how many times you change their shot when they're supposed to shoot over you. Because it's account the same, they missed or block, the same thing. Of course, for your statistics, not the same, but contesting shots, it's like same, like almost like block shots. Sometimes they were so good, like, you know, he make, good job, congratulations, we continue, move forward. But him there, him there, he have a present, it's really not easy to— even like that paint is a little bit smaller than regular paint. Yeah, what I figure out when I stay there.

And even like they make him more leverage too, they can like play the defense. Of course, not just for defense, I think for offense too. Like he have against Arizona, he have tremendous game. Like, yeah, I was like, is this guy really exist? Is this, is this really happen? Of course, finals, everybody here get nervous, you know, like everybody, everybody put their own efforts. But you know, like, uh, he really play good, he really play good. And, uh, and I'm so, I'm super happy for him and for his team because they they, they won national championship.

Yeah, he had a great Final Four. And it's interesting you brought up your time in San Antonio. I feel like you were Wimby before Wimby. You were the first Wimby. Yeah, Wimby came up in your footsteps.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Hey, I give, I give credit to myself. No, Wimby, it's like something, something else. Like, I never see something like this in my life ever. Like, you— I, and I like to watch because I play in Europe, and every time when I, when I wake up, it's basically they play middle of night. Every time I wake up, I check in game, I check in highlights, what he do, how he play, and not just statistics, like how he scored the bucket. For me, this is like, this is what he can do, like, that's like, I think nobody can do. Like, really nobody can do. That's really like, what Wemby can do, nobody can do. Like, that's really that for him.

I feel like you have a better perspective than just about anybody else in terms of like looking at Wemby and seeing what he's doing and, and how hard it is to do what he's already done at such a young age. So like, what is it about his game that you're most impressed with?

With everything. Like, um, with shooting, with all movement, how he like, how he get low when he dribble the ball. Like, nobody really like really steal the ball from him like that easy. Like, uh, how he put the ball on like up on the air, nobody can touch, and he dunked it so easy. Like, or what surprised me the most, okay, every, every, everything is else, like, you know, like tall people can do, but he dunked behind the back alley-oop, like running in fast break and just turned the head and they passed him the assist and he like behind the back dunking. That's crazy. Or between the legs. Like, you know, I don't mind how I try to dunk between the legs. Like, they're never going to— I try a couple of times, but, you know, like, and I did a couple of times, but I feel like it's not that. Yeah, it looks different when he does it. When he do, he look like really, like, really good. Yeah. When I do, don't look good.

Did you, have you been able to watch, like the other day it was Jokic versus Wemby. It was so fun to watch. Obviously you're rooting for Jokic. You're a friend of his. Did you see also the, have you met Jokic's brothers?

Of course.

How scary are they?

No, they don't scare at all.

Okay. But you're a friend. Did you see the clip? There was a clip where a guy, a fan was yelling and Jokic's brothers were in a suite and he basically, Jokic's brother's like, sit your ass down right now. And the fan was like, okay, I'm sorry.

I saw, but you know, I think just like they just— he just protected, you know, like he was like just because of the reason of that. They're super nice, they're super cool, they're super friendly, they're really good people, they're all family, it's really nice family, you know, like they just— maybe they're just like— you can tell because you see 2, 3 clips when they happen like that, but they're so protective, you know.

Yeah, I mean, he's on your side though, he's your friend, so that's— no, no, no, yeah, it makes sense, yeah, he's a good guy to have on your side.

No, he's a good guy too. To know. Okay, yeah, he is a good guy. When you met him, you will see, you will see why I say that. It's, uh, the both of them, all three of them, because like three brothers, all three of them, they're like, they're really good people. They come, of course, they're coming from great family, uh, and, uh, they just, they just protected, protected their, his brother. This is, this is on, this is only maybe like because in Serbia we used to on that, like yelling on somebody that was like, ah, he yelling on you, that's like normal. Like, yeah, I feel like— I feel it just because of that and nothing else. I think like they're really good people.

Do you— do you hang out with Jokic every summer when he comes, when he goes back?

Of course we hang out. We're friends.

Yeah.

Do you go to the horses? Yeah.

Yeah, I saw— I saw horses.

Yeah.

Yeah. But I never go to the race, but I saw the horses.

Yeah.

He—

yeah, I want to go to the races.

Yeah.

It's like the best time ever.

He likes the chariot races, right? The ones where you sit down and you sit down and behind the horse. That poor horse.

No, but I think he just, he's just chilling and practice, but he don't, he don't race.

That's probably, it's probably good for the horse if it practices pulling him, then the jockey gets on, it's like super light.

No, but you know, like he cannot, he cannot through his career because of that. Like he's just chilling and supporting his horse and of course his jockey.

So wait, how have you not gone to the horse racing with him? You just don't have any?

I didn't, I didn't, I didn't have time for that. And I gotta go. I need to go. I need to go this summer. This summer I need to go. 2 ago.

Yeah, it seems like the best time ever. Like, there's just once a summer we'll just get a clip of Jokic in like a tank top drinking a beer, watching races. It's just been like, this looks like—

and enjoying his life.

Yeah, enjoying the hell out of his life.

I love when I see him like with a smile on face enjoying that. You really see him like he really enjoying that moment.

Do you think, do you think he, uh, he enjoys playing basketball? Because there's been a lot of discussion about him because, you know, in the playoffs the season drags on super long long. I think a lot of NBA players, by the end of it, they're ready to go home. They're ready to call it a season and, you know, take, take a little break. But a lot of people look at Jokic and they say like, oh, does he love playing basketball or does he just kind of tolerate it?

He loves playing basketball. He really enjoys it. You can tell in the game. You can tell in the game, like, he really enjoys playing basketball. All his shots, what he, what he makes, all what he does, all these triple-doubles, what he, what he makes is not easy to make. Yeah. And like, never mind how I don't know how hard you want to deny that on his face, but he really enjoyed to play basketball and he really good in every sports what he play. Like we play video games, we play this, like he always have nice touch for everything and nice momentum, use his brain to beat all like games, video games, basketball games, soccer games, water polo, everything what he touch he want to play. He's really good in that.

Yeah.

So he's a water polo player too?

No, he can play everything.

Have you played water polo?

Yes, I walk to the pool. No, I play.

Yeah, because I heard it's, it's like the hardest sport in the world to play.

It's hardest sport, but, uh, it's hardest. But I guess we— I think— I know we think we're the best in the world. Like Serbia, it's a— we have the best team in the world.

Yeah, that's pretty sick.

Yeah, yeah.

Like, it's that— that's one sport that will make you very, very strong if you start playing at a young age, right?

Right.

I believe. I guess.

When you were growing up, were you allowed to play with kids your age, like in the youth basketball leagues?

I really want to know if somebody have the clip about me, how I played basketball before. I really want to see it, but I don't know. And when I asked the friend, I talk about that, how I play basketball when I was kid, he was like, hey, you was good. You was good, moving good. You was— your touch is good. I was like, okay. I was like, I know, like, tell me, tell me the truth. Don't tell me the— don't tell me like fancy truth. He said, no, no, you was good. You was not, you was not like moving like you're moving right now, but you was okay.

Yeah. Was there a moment in your— when you're growing up, you're like, oh, I'm— I am good at basketball. Like, I am actually feeling confident that I'm, I'm getting better at basketball.

You know, I feel like, I feel like you never have that in your life, you know. Like when you, when you work out because you you won't put your goals up like all the way to the sky, and you're always missing something. Oh, I'm not good in this. Oh, I'm not good in this. Even like you start to be better in this practice on the summer and get better, better, like get your power, get your shot, get your movement, get your dribbling, get your footwork. You get better in everything, and you're on the end, you're not satisfied because you always think can be better. And on end of the game, you will have like really good game and you say, I should have one more assist, I should have two more rebounds, I should make that layup. You know, like we always, we always searching about that, like how we missing a little bit more. That's why, that's why the problem we have, we comparative, comparative to everything. Like you put your standards a little bit every time, a little bit higher just to find, just to find something to fight for it.

Yeah.

What— so right now you're still, you're still playing. Is the goal to get back in the NBA? You're playing in, uh, the Slovenian league, right?

Yes.

How is that? What is it like?

It's very fun. We play, we play Slovenian league and upper league. Uh, it's like, it's like, um, the league when you play like, uh, ex-Yugoslavia. Okay. Like, you know, the Bosnia, Montenegro, Croatia, uh, some team from Romania. They play, they play one team from Dubai.

Which, by the way, Yugoslavia— if Yugoslavia— I think we might have talked about this last time, but But if Yugoslavia didn't break up, they would be the best country for sure in the world in basketball. Like, thinking about all the guys like the Jokic and Luka.

Yes.

And like everyone combined.

True. And we were second. We were second in a world championship. We were second in Olympic Games. Yeah. That's basically like, I think this is it. This is like small missing to become first.

Yeah.

Yeah. So the league is good. And are you like, the goal is to get back to the NBA or are you, how many more years do you think you're going to play? What?

Uh, until I feel good, you know, like the goal to become to NBA, you know, like I have 9 years, 9 years. I already talked 700 times about that. I have 9 years. I need, I need one more year.

I need year 10. You should do a whole thing about, yeah, year 10 in the pros.

I like that. Then in the pro, I need to do that.

Good. He's raising his mic.

Okay, so we, we have a couple, uh, NBA GMs that listen to this podcast. So what are you working on now? We can try to sell you. Let's sell. Yeah, let's go back to the league. Yeah, you're 10.

Let's go. You're 10.

What are you working on right now? What's, what's, uh, what's the next evolution of your game?

3-point shots.

Yeah.

Yeah.

How many 3-pointers if we gave you like an empty— I like how we're just going through this with this with Max just sitting there.

Max's butt crack is out.

We're not really helping Max out right now.

I'm just messing with you, Max.

No butt crack.

No butt crack. If I give you—

Don't worry, they play.

If, uh, if you were in an empty gym, like, how many— and I give you 100 threes, how many are you making?

You know who you— how many threes? Yeah, 100. 100. You know who is Peja Stojaković? Yeah. Yeah, I'm right now like him.

Yeah?

Yeah.

How are you making? Are you making 80?

80?

Yeah, with no, no, no defect.

You didn't mean it, you just heard him say 80, so he said yeah.

Okay, okay, sorry, my fault. 85.

85. Okay, yeah, that's more realistic.

Yeah, good. I think 85 is realistic. Yeah, yeah, I would say 88 because I'm born year '88, but you know, like, 85, I would take 85.

Okay, let's get you back in the league. The league's more fun when Boban's running around out there.

Yeah, I, I believe in that. Thank you very much. Yes, I, I, I share— I'm sharing thoughts with you.

We, uh, we, we got to talk a little bit about soup last time. I know that you're a big soup—

okay, right?

Are you a soup freak? Is that a fair way to You can, you can say.

Okay, you're a freak.

Yeah, hey, look at me, I'm free.

Do you have, uh, do you have like top 3 soups?

Top 3 soups? Uh, I have 3 top 3 soups. Uh, the, the, the chicken noodle soup, obviously. Mushroom, mushroom soup.

Okay.

And you always, you always can add butternut squash soup.

Butternut squash soup. Those are 3 pretty healthy soups.

That's good.

I try, I try to be healthy.

Yeah, do they have any soups or stews in like the former Yugoslavia, any of those countries?

Oh, we kill them with the soups.

What kind of soups?

Everything, like you name it. Same like what I said, but you know, like we have beef soup, we have chicken soup, we have some, we have like cabbage, but we use like a soup. We have bean soup. I don't know everything to translate, but you know, like we have a lot of stuff. Stuff.

Yeah, I love soup. It's the perfect meal.

It's a perfect meal. Yeah, basically you eat beginning, they fill you up, and after that everything else what you eat, it's like you can be smaller, like small entrée, like smaller salad, smaller dessert. But dessert need to be on the end of the meal.

How do you ever—

have you ever tried to eat soup at the end of the meal?

No, no, always beginning.

I do that sometimes. Try it. End of the meal, it's good. It fills in all the cracks from like all the food that you You finish it up with some soup.

Basically, yeah, yeah, it fills you up.

Basically like chocolate or ice cream, they just fill out— just fill out the gaps.

Yeah, you don't have to like it, but just try doing it one time. It might, it might change your perspective on things.

Okay, uh, I'm a soup freak too.

Okay, I'm on it, I'm on it.

Okay, what about the, uh, the Balkan breakfast that it became like it took over TikTok? Is that a real thing? The, the guys with— I don't know if you— it's the like, I just see the TikTok thing. It's really guys with just like meats and vegetables and like tomatoes, and they're just biting the tomato, then biting the bread, then biting the meat. Is that a Balkan breakfast? What do you traditionally have for a Balkan breakfast?

It's not Balkan breakfast, but you know, you can eat basically— we use a lot of bread, we use a lot of bread, we use a lot of pie, cheese pie, cheese pie, meat pie, yogurt. We use same like everybody in the world, like, you know, eggs, eggs, bacon, and all other stuff like vegetables. House. But I think a lot of bread, a lot of yogurt, a lot of everything. But you get in basically breakfast, we do bakery breakfast. Me personally, I go to bakery, buy something, buy some like, you know, like, uh, some things what you have in bakery.

Yeah, like a muffin or—

yeah, yeah, something like that. Or something like salt, like with the cheese, with the meat, with the like pizza roll or something that. And, uh, this is it. Like, this how I do my breakfast. But we do eggs, we do like, uh, ham, prosciutto, cheese, yogurt.

So the Balkan breakfast might be a little bit— they might be doing a little bit of like a caricature, because it is— yeah, it's like guys sitting out there and they like have full tomatoes or take a bite of tomato, they take a bite of the, the, you know, they take a bite of a carrot, then they take a bite of a salami stick, then a bite of the bread.

I don't know No, we depends on the person. Somebody that— yeah, but somehow, somehow, some, some back in the day we do that too.

Yeah, this, uh, this bela korba looks really good. Is that, is that a Serbian dish?

What is bela korba?

Bela korba, B-E-L-A-C-O-R-B-A. It says it's a Serbian dish.

Do you have photo?

Uh, right here.

Let's get the photo.

Let's get— this looks like, this looks like something I would eat. Almost like a lemon chicken soup.

Yeah, yeah. Okay, chicken soup, I guess.

Yeah, like a lemon chicken soup. That looks awesome. Oh, I would house— oh, oh, we got just—

you're right, everything just falling off.

Wait, this is—

that's where—

how would you rate our, uh, studio and setup here? It's, it's not the—

you can lay down if you want.

When you saw it, you were kind of like, oh, okay, like this. I say I rate you like, like my apartment when your wife's out of town. Yeah, that's the part That hurt a little, but it's the truth.

No, but like, it's okay, you know, there's nothing— everything on perfectly on perfect place, but everything it's clean. Yeah, everything is clean and it smell nice. Yeah, what is important? Yeah, everything else, like, uh, when, uh, when some— when wifey get back from the city, you guys can back everything on place, which should be. Yeah.

Um, have you been watching a lot besides Wimby? You've been watching a lot of, uh, other NBA getting ready for the playoffs?

Yes, yes, and no. Depends, depends, depends which game, depends with which team, depends where and what. Yes, yes. Let's go say yes.

You have any feelings one way or the other about like, let's talk about like the Eastern Conference because I know that people are talking about Boston a lot and they got Tatum back, which is kind of crazy that he came back this fast. Who do you like out of the East?

Detroit maybe right now. Right now they play so good. They like, they beat a lot of games. They come back on the track like when they missing a long time ago. I know because I was there and they have good chemistry and they have Tobi. Yeah, you know, they have Tobias and he's back in Detroit. They play good. They have— I always watch that. I was always watch their highlights because they always have good chemistry. That's how I feel. And they're good competitors.

Yeah.

And what about the West? Do you still root for the Rockets at all?

Yeah, I always, I always rooting for the teams where I, when I've been there. And I always cheering for the people who was like, who was my teammates and, uh, who is there, who is there when I was there. And, uh, and all people, like all people, all fans there because I have so much fun there and Basically, this is a team, this team, what I left when I, when I left, they left there and they continue, they continue to, to build their legacy.

Yeah.

Uh, I forgot to ask this last time, I think, but you played, I assume you played some pickup basketball with Adam Sandler when you were filming.

Yes.

How is he as a basketball? Every, everyone, all the clips I've seen, everyone talk like he can actually hoop. Is that he can actually hoop but there's levels to this and playing against NBA players, we have to take it easy on him. Is he good?

He is good. He is very good. He's good, great passer, good shooter, passionate about basketball, know the game, know where he need to be because it's not about how skilled you are. It's about like, because you play with more people than one. It's not like one-on-one. Basically, you need to be on the perfect place, perfect moment. And he know, because he is good passer, he know to find you. And of course, he know, he know to score, he know to shoot. He basically have nice touch and understanding about basketball. He is good, he's good. It's not about, it's not about the clips when they're showing, yeah, you know what, highlights of the, of the person, but it's really, he's good.

We should get you. So we did this stream, um, it would be awesome if you could, you could, you could, uh, participate next year. We did a Pros vs. Joes stream in the office, so we had a bunch of guys who were like Jason Williams, we had a bunch of guys who were really good in college, okay, play against us, okay? And the rule was it was 5 on 5. It went 1 on 1, 2 on 2, 3 on 3, 4 on 4, 5 on 5. Once they finished the 5 on 5, okay, we got to add a player, but the pros didn't. So it got all the way to 15 on 5, okay? And the pros were still winning. It went all the way down to 15 on 2, and then the pros finally lost because it was like— that's the levels to it. Like, people don't realize just how good you guys are at basketball and just how skilled everyone— like, even the, even the last guy on the NBA bench is an incredible shooter.

Yeah, of course. All shooters or skill or, or like athletic, like athletic, like dunk, everything, whatever. Like, yeah, everybody's so professional because we do all we do that all our lives. Yeah. And you, and you sometimes you don't work, you don't work every day, you're not shooting every day on basketball skills, you don't practice 2 times a day, you know, that, that's a point. I think they make difference. But I watched that, I really want to participate.

All right, you're in, you're in.

I want to participate next time. But the point, I watched that, I watched that, uh, for the soccer. They have like, I think maybe like—

oh yeah, in like Japan when there's like a bunch of little kids and they play against professional 11.

I think professional soccer players, and like they really can beat them.

And a bunch of kids, I think there was like, it was like 200 like 5-year-olds or something.

It was like a lot of kids, and there was like, they said they can beat them. Yeah, no way they can score. The kid, the kids won. That's why I feel like it's like when they have too much people, like you cannot like control everything.

You protecting the rim though would be awesome.

Yeah, and nobody would get a rebound. You would get every single rebound.

Yeah, true. That's the only thing.

Yeah, yeah, we better not miss any shots. It was hard.

Better don't miss the shots.

It was, it was It was too many people to play offense. It got too jammed up in there. And then no spacing, no spacing whatsoever.

I was like, I was in the ball like next to one meter, one meter.

I was trying to coach the team. I was the coach and nobody was listening. Nobody was listening. They just, they were all chucking up because you have so much people. Yeah, too many people. They all wanted to make the game-winning shot too.

Yeah, they want everybody want to be MVP.

Yep.

Everybody want to become Jokic or Luka or Shay or Wemby.

Yeah, we need role players out here too. We need, we need some Matthew Delavedovas out here.

Yes. And we need— you guys need Boban. You guys need the— I don't know.

Bring anyone over.

Yeah. Yeah. You're 10. I mean, maybe you put together a little highlight reel of you dunking on all of us.

Oh, for sure. That will sell me out for sure.

Yeah.

We'll make a nice little edit for you. Yes. Get Boban back.

We put the sound on like boom.

Yeah.

Oh yeah.

We'll make a sick mixtape for you. When we were walking through the office a second ago, we showed you the putt-putt. Putt tournament that we have set up.

Yeah, okay.

Um, or do you play golf?

I don't play golf. I, I try one time, but the club, it's so like small, I need to basically like focus to hit that ball, and it didn't, didn't work well.

It probably hurts your back too, to have my shoulder, my hip, my everything. We gotta—

I missed that 100 times. Like, I swing in there, they don't make— the ball is still there.

They don't make, uh, big golf clubs?

No, they don't make for guys like you. Maybe they make, but I don't know. They make it.

Yeah.

Um, when was the last time that you met somebody and you were like, damn, you're tall?

Uh, Wemby. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, I remember when we play against them, we play against them in Houston, I walked down the tunnel with him and I was like, okay. I don't know to watch him like this because I always watch down. Yeah, always watch down. But this time I was like, okay, it's got to be a new experience. Yeah, it's a great experience.

Yeah, it is crazy just seeing Wemby.

I got to see him in person because I'm sure you never met him in person.

No, it's probably just insane. Yeah, I mean, he's just— and he's so good, he's so skilled.

It's—

I, I don't know, if he could stay healthy, it feels like he's gonna just terrorize the NBA for a really long time.

It's really amazing. Really amazing. It's same like, like I saw Shaquille O'Neal yesterday. He was like same, come out from elevator. I was like, oh wow. Yeah, yeah, like strong, powerful, like tall.

Yeah. Have you, uh, have you talked to Luka recently?

Yeah, I talked with Luka recently.

Yeah, it's, it's, uh, unfortunate that he's hurt right now, but he, he looked like he was in really good shape this year.

Like, he, he looked amazing. Like 40, 50, 60, I don't know how many points more. Like, he was like— and, and the Lakers played amazing. Like, the Lakers play really good with him. And, uh, I know they lost, they lost the other night, but, uh, I didn't, I didn't watch, I didn't watch, uh, I didn't watch too game, but I was like, I was, I was watching the score on the end. Yeah, but I hope so, he'll back soon and help them. Yeah, because they can have a nice run on playoff.

Until about a week ago, I was starting to think that the Lakers could do something, and then Luka's out and Austin Reeves is out too, right? So it feels like maybe not this year, but Luka, I was really impressed with Luka this year.

They look really good, like a little focus, uh, like, uh, he always, he always, for me, he always looked good. I don't know, like He looks a little fat every now and then. No, just a little bit.

Oh, he's fat.

Just a tiny bit fat.

No, no, he's a little tiny bit fat. No, he's just strong and powerful. Like, yeah, trust me, you're a great friend. No, no, I'm honest. I spent time with him and, uh, like, he's very strong. He is very strong and powerful. They're just like, they're just people like talk about that, but it's not, it's not really true. Yeah, like, uh, I can confirm that because not true. He is very strong. Like, I give you example. We was have the, like, without warm-up, we have some bar set up, trap bar set up, set up, like, with the speed. We have machine there and we have, like, we need to do couple sets, like, of the speeding, of speed, how fast can a trap bar go, like, from the dead position to the highest position when you can do it. It and you have the numbers when you can reach, you know, like, like maybe I'm just made up right now story, we always like 1.2, 1.1, 1, like without heavyweight, without warming up, like without warming up, he hit the record, I think 1.8, something like that, and like no one from us is not even close, like with this from the speed, trap bar bar power, like, it's— that's, that's insane.

Yeah.

And you cannot— like, that's a— that's so powerful. Like, his leg, his legs, his body, it's so powerful. And, uh, that's— I never see something personal in my life. After I tried to reach the number, it's not even— I'm not even close.

Yeah.

Like, I cannot like get the double. No, that is—

yeah, I mean, that's a big part of his game is like his, his strength and being able to keep guys like at a distance and get his shot up.

And but But brain too, like, you know, like him and Jokic have the mental, like, read the game and see everything. Like, you know, he know, he know he need to tell you because he, you open on a court and he'll find you. Like both of them, like both of them will find you every time when you open. And you just need to like put your hands or like make good play, running right time and the ball will be in your hands.

Is that partially like like European basketball and like how you guys are taught to play basketball when you're kids?

I, I, okay, they have skill, they have skill, nobody like nobody else, but I think like they help a lot because from beginning, from beginning we go fundamentals, we go pass from the floor, pass from the floor, pass from the chest, we go step side, pass with right hand, step, left hand, over, overpass, and on the end when we shooting, like you and me shooting, it's not about It's not coaching passing the ball and you and me just shooting. It's about like I passing ball to you, you passing ball to me. And I feel like you can get more feeling about like, about like, uh, about where is the ball bounce, like for rebounding, and how you, how you want your pass to be passed to you. Because like that pass need to be good because you want that pass back when you shoot the ball. And I feel like how we development your game on the, on after that, like, you will, like, you would just, you just pass the ball perfectly because you already adjust. You already pass 100 times a day.

Yeah.

To do your teammate and he passed to you. That's why I think the development better, like, the passing skills.

Yeah, because the unselfishness too, in like the European game, you can, you can notice it sometimes. And I think it also helps that, like, when you get into the Olympics and stuff, a lot of the guys, it feels like, have been playing together on the Olympic team for like many, many years. Whereas Team USA, maybe it's, you know, guys know each other but they don't play together all the time.

True, but they're so powerful. Like, basically, even they don't do that exercise, they're still powerful, so they can win easy, like Olympic Games or World Championships.

Who's the best player that you've ever played against or with, uh, like, just like day to day, where you're just like, I just don't know how they're that good?

He, like, I cannot, even like the player who is not famous, like, or you guys doesn't know him, he's still hard to play. Like, it's not about, it's not about like the name. You say one name and say, wow, I never defend nobody like this. Everybody.

Oh, give us a, give us a, like a legend in the Balkans.

No, no, no.

Who's maybe not even in the NBA, never been in the NBA, but you're like, this guy's really, really good.

No, no, I will not give name from no one. But you know, like, I remember, I remember like, to be honest, I cannot remember the name. But one time we played the third Serbian league.

Okay.

And one guy coming, like he have normal job, like normal job, working job. Like, you know, he just play for that team because like, you know, on the weekend he want to work out. He come, you know, street basketball game, like handball, but like for big guys. Yeah. He's so skilled. I feel like if he practice, he can be like really like good basketball player.

So he was just a regular guy who didn't play professionally, who just like on the weekends would be like, oh yeah, I'll play in the Serbian third league.

Yes, he's a little bit taller, he's a little bit taller, he's a little bit chubby, but skill and smart and nice stats.

Amazing, like Escalade. Do you remember Escalade?

Yeah, I remember Escalade, but this guy is a little bit tinier and taller.

Did you, uh, you watch the N1 mixtape when you're growing up?

Of course. Yeah, I think, I think everybody watched it.

Yeah, you were like, that's what America's like.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

But I think everybody, everybody watched that. Yeah, everybody tried that fake, like, you know, hit the ball, like, go there between the legs, like, long, long shorts to the end, like, bigger t-shirt, you put the ball, you kick the ball, the ball spinning around. It was like, it was like so, so much. I think everybody watched that.

Yes.

Yeah, it was worldwide, the The Professor joined and he just didn't get off the tour.

Yeah, it was amazing.

Yeah.

Do you have a— do you have a— I, I was looking at your Instagram before. Do you have a farm at home, or is that—

it's, it's my village. It's a farm, you know, like back, back over the day when my, my grandfather and grandmother have it.

That's awesome.

Of course, back over the day, we just— I try to, I try to help my parents, and everybody asked me, why don't buy your dad a new tractor? We have new tractor, but he don't, he don't use it. Really? No, we We always use the same tractor. That tractor is old, but he always use the same tractor. And I don't know how and why, but, you know, the new tractor is standing there, but the old tractor is working around. And he love to use all this.

What do you guys grow?

We grow everything, like, basically only for, like, personal stuff, you know, for your farm. It's not for selling. Like, we don't we don't, we don't do for selling. We just do for basically our, our community, basically our family.

Okay, so for the record, Boban has bought his dad a new tractor. He just doesn't use it.

No, I just said because I read the other comments like, hey, buy your dad or buy your father a new tractor. I was like, okay, okay, thank you guys, I'll buy a new tractor. Yeah, whatever, don't bother me at all. I just, I just said, just said for no reason.

Yeah, dads have their own tractors that they like. Yeah, they know how— they don't want to have to learn how to use a one. Yeah, I'll fix this one if it breaks down.

But the same tractor, the similar tractor, just new one. But the problem, because like if you want, you have machine who is like, who is attached for that type of tractor. If you want change the bigger tractor, you need to change all machines when they, when they compare it to that, with that tractor. That's why, that's why you keep, you keep that size of tractor.

Got it. Do you guys grow, like, do you raise animals for Meat?

Uh, yes, but, uh, before it was much more. Right now it's a little bit less.

Yeah. Was that ever hard? Like, as a kid, you have to raise an animal and then you have to— you have to eat it later?

Hard. It's all— everything hard. There's nothing easy. Yeah, same. I don't know, I don't know, I don't know what I can say more about that.

Yeah. Um, all right, well, Boban, this has been awesome. We, we really appreciate you coming by. I have the Roback question. R-H-O-B-A-C-K. Rowback.com, promo code TAKE, 20% off your first purchase. Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. rowback.com, promo code TAKE. Last time you were on, it was before Happy Gilmore 2, which great job in that movie. Are you— do we have other movies on the horizon?

Boban the movie star. Yeah, right now, right now we keep that one. We was doing recently Robin Hood Robin Hood, and it was the— it was the— it was a TV show. I was in 9 and 10 episode. I was like— I'm like a bad guy with no talking guy, but you know, like a guy tried to kill Little John.

Yeah.

And of course, of course, Robin Hood. But you know, like the, the point— I have so much time, so much fun time because we filmed that in Serbia and it's MGM production and Lionsgate. Okay, uh, I say right? Yeah, okay, yeah. And, um, and this is like, uh, this is like really good, good stuff to work on it. Of course, Happy Gilmore, Happy Gilmore is something else because like it's like different, you know, like I run naked, I was like do this, I was there, I was there, uh, but you know, and all this, all this celebrity what it was that movies, but this is like, this like something else, like this like I fighting, I am like bad guy riding the horse, first time riding the horse in my life, and it was like, it was the great experience. I remember when we filming that, I was on a horse, and of course one more actor, he is from London. I was on a horse, and the horse, every time they hear action, they start like sprinting, and I didn't expect that because before that I never ride a horse, but we have like, I have only 2 classes horses, right?

And I'm the horse. I have a hammer in one hand and a horse, like, horse in other hand, like, and I'm on a horse. And they say action, the horse starts running. I was like hitting with the legs, stop, stop. I was scared. They said, oh, let's go one more time, Boban, don't do that scary face. I was like, okay.

And then they say action again, the horse just goes, takes off again.

They take off. But it was good. I'm like, now used to. Yeah, you know, he'll— I think he'll just start to walk. Yeah, because then you, when you hit him a little bit with the, with the foot and like show him to go, that was like he'd start to walk. Yeah, but you know, that's why, that's why I didn't expect he would start to run.

Yeah.

All right, so more movies, more movies, more time back in the NBA.

I think I figured it out. I think you might be getting blackballed from the NBA because the owners are mad that you gave away free chicken. Oh, you probably took money out of their pocket and they're like, we can't sign Boban, he's just going to give the people chicken.

He was like, yeah, I don't know, sorry for that.

Yeah, no, don't apologize. That was the nicest thing you ever did.

Yeah, thank you very much.

Yeah. All right, well, it's great having you here in the office, and, uh, we really appreciate you stopping by.

I appreciate it, guys. Thank you for everything. It's amazing.

Yeah, thanks.

Great time.

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Okay, Fire Fest of the week. Hank?

Nothing crazy. It was a good, good week. Fun week. Mini golf, Masters, weather's good.

Nothing better than mini golf week for you.

Uh, yeah, I mean, I went back to yoga for the first time in like 8 months.

You say yogurt? Yoga.

What flavor did you get?

Uh, almost died.

Dasani?

It's embarrassing.

No, what's the— no, Dasani's water. What's the, uh, Chobani?

I'm a Yeah, got it.

But it's always going to be hard the first time.

Do you do granola in it?

I do, yeah. Yogurt, granola, blackberries, honey.

You ever do honey?

Honey?

Yeah.

I don't like the honey. Overpowers it.

A little syrup, little maple syrup.

That overpowers it. I just like the crunch and a little yogurt.

Had some yogurt today.

Yogurt. You were just telling that story.

She got back to—

don't repeat yourself.

Back on the yogurt, off the bread, off the snacks in this office.

You should start exercising more more. Yeah.

What about the pimento cheese?

Because the boys— the—

yeah, I haven't had any pimento cheese. I don't know, Memes, I, I feel like he might kill me because he keeps offering it and I have not had it some yet.

Memes, Colton, and, um, and Shane have, I would say, have gone through like 6 pounds of pimento cheese this week. Every time I walk by, there's just a new tub of pimento cheese, to the point where I have pimento cheese. I've ordered lunch today and I saw that pimento cheese was on the menu and I just ordered it for the boys because I was like, well, and I'm sure they probably didn't need it. It was like bringing sand to a beach. The pimento cheese corn was getting a little out of control.

We just decided it's pimento week because of the Masters.

Okay, fair.

Okay, I'm down with it. It's delicious. We're just making sure you guys get some pimento with you. Yeah, you're a good teammate. What do you think it is that about Hank that makes him not want to eat your cheese? Well, he's dieting. But I mean, so am I. But just polite to stop by and say thanks, memes. Yeah, you think a guy who likes golf also likes pimento? Yeah, I'm gonna have some.

I just haven't yet. I'm worried, like, I might just wake up with cheese getting stuffed down my throat.

Yeah, you better eat the pimento.

That's a real danger.

Who just, who just had a bad shot?

I would never hit a putt on this course ever. Like, I like—

Yeah, so I I, I did see a guy, uh, he 4-putted from like 3 feet. That—

you talking about Spider last night?

Lowry? Yeah, maybe 3-putted from 3 feet. But I saw that, I was like, maybe the haters are not actually haters, maybe they're just realistic and I'm delusional.

They got it, they got it right.

They could, they could. But 150, easy.

Okay, PFT, your Fire Fest.

Uh, my Fire Fest, I, I think I told some of you guys this yesterday, but, um, I went to the doctor finally to look at my back because my back and my calves and hamstring have been really fucked up for the last like year or so, off and on with the back especially. They gave me an X-ray and I'm a freak. I'm a genetic freak.

We already knew that.

Yeah, I know. I'm a freak.

My—

I only have 4 vertebrae. Most people have 5 vertebrae.

4 verts.

4 vert—

4 vert.

There you go, Max. Let's go. We're back.

You love to talk shit even though I just dominate. Like, I dominate.

Dominate you.

Yeah, you do.

That would be so funny if it was just a— if they did an MRI, it was just a picture of Kevin Petullo.

Yeah, got the dog in me. So I got, I got 4 verts instead of 5 verts. My 5th vertebrae is— it's fused. It's completely fused to my tailbone. So like, it's there, but it's not like a separate vertebrae. So that means that all the other disks that I have are getting like pushed at weird angles and shit and getting herniated. So I was actually happy to find out that there's a reason why my back is feeling fucked up and it's not just in my head. And that's why, like, the nerve things go— that's why I continually have been tearing muscles in my calves for the last, like, 8 months. Got it. So it's good to know that there's an issue. Now we got to solve it.

Yeah.

So I'm actually feeling pretty good about that. But it was funny because when he showed it to me on the X-ray initially, I was like, is this guy I— after the whole Stidham thing, is he going to tell me that I have a tail?

Oh, wouldn't that be something?

Yeah. No, but I just got— I'm running 4 verts. Yeah, I think it's like 5% of people have that.

You're free. Few the proud.

Yeah, 5%.

Few the proud.

4 verts.

All right.

So I also have a doctor story because I went to the dermatologist today. Have you guys ever been to a dermatologist? Yeah, I first time ever thought it was a chick doctor. Like, not the doctor's a woman. I meant like only women go to dermatologists. You're correct. Yeah. And listen, shout out my wife. I think she, she likes me enough that she wants me to like live for a long time because she made this doctor's appointment. I didn't even know. I literally like Wednesday morning I woke up and I was just looking at my ahead of my calendar. I just see dermatology appointment.

Pregnant.

And I said to my wife, I was like, what is this? And she's like, yeah, I— it like takes forever to get and see this doctor. I made this like 6 months ago. You have to go.

Skin cancer screening.

So I went. Yeah. So they basically— I had no idea what was going on. I go in, I show up, they— it's a doctor and then it's a person taking notes. And they just look at your entire body and like mark everything that like, you know, moles, whatever. Whatever, so that in a year I'm gonna have to go back and make sure that nothing has gotten bigger, whatever. Fine, right? She opened up my butt crack.

Whoa.

Yeah, didn't think that was coming.

Hey, check the, uh, the credit card slip.

It was a double butt crack open. She opened up the top and then she went down and opened up a little lower. I was just like, I had no idea that was gonna happen. I didn't know that that's what they do. No, it was a way— was she great professional, incredible job. No, no, uh, great doctor. Um, yeah, she just like— they just, they flip you over. I had my boxers on. She all in one motion was going down my back, looking at all the stuff, pulled down my pants, like pantsed me.

Boop, boop.

And I was just like— before I even knew what was happening, my butt crack was just open to a woman at 8:30 in the morning and very uncomfortable. And then when I flipped back on my back, she was like, you got anything in the penis? I was like, there's literally nothing going on there. So we skipped that. Thank God, because I did not need her looking for moles in my dick and balls. And I also would have just been so embarrassed with the size.

You could have just like gone home and been upset with your wife, been like, she looked at my butt crack.

Yeah.

And it's your fault.

Yeah. Yeah, she— I'm probably gonna have to explain this. Like, look, we weren't in Sedona, but there were fingers and butts.

This sounded like, uh, it's more of an Urban Meyer thing. But yeah, it does feel like this is a situation where the Impractical Jokers might have been next door.

Yeah.

All right, now go. No, no, swipe up.

So you guys, uh, go to— go to the dermatologist. Guys, go to the doctor. Also, she did give me one recommendation that I basically laughed in her face. She was like, uh, you know, you're at the age that you should maybe start wearing a sun shirt. And I was just like, no, no, absolutely not. Like, you can't— as an adult man, you can't wear a sun shirt unless you're a ginger. Understand that unless you're a ginger and you— if you wear a sun shirt, you just look like a toddler. You look like a toddler at the pool. You can't be doing that, right?

What if you got tattoos that, like, you're not super comfortable with showing off with strangers? Hypothetically.

Yeah, then maybe, maybe some—

maybe sunshirt too.

Yeah, but the— yeah, I feel like sunshirts, toddlers, gingers, 50-plus. Well, I was gonna say, uh, deep-sea fishing. If you're wearing it on deep-sea fishing, that's cool because you're just like— I mean, you're a man, you're holding a big fish, you got a sunshirt on, who cares?

I'd say like even like construction workers. Yeah, people that work outside, people who work outside, totally understand.

But if you're just a regular guy at the pool and you got the sunshirt on, people are going to be like, what's going on here?

It's an effective tool to make people not realize that you're overweight.

True. But then I never know. But then everyone knows you're overweight because you're wearing the sunshirt.

Yeah.

And also sneaky, actually sometimes a worse look because it sticks to your body. And then you have— and then like your, your, your fat and your breasts kind of pop. It's, it's, it's, it's better to just go into the pool, hope the pool's a little cold so you can look like you're, you know, do a little flex. Far better. Before we do, Zach, memes and memes and Max, you guys have Fire Fest memes? You have Fire Fest? So I'd ask—

I—

this is like a great week.

I have two. Oh, you have two?

I have two.

Two.

One, I got a little too angry at mini golf yesterday.

No, I don't think so.

No, I got a little too angry at mini go.

Wait, which are you talking about? When you threw the putter? When you punched a hole in the body armor thing?

Or you charged at me? Oh yeah, you charged at me.

Anything I charge at?

Yeah, you did it. Well, it's sometimes animals, like, uh, you'll see an elephant or a rhino, they do the false charge. Yeah, which is they take a couple steps just to buck at you.

That's what you did.

That's a— that's a Max.

We were on different sides of the basketball.

And to be fair, I, I was trying to help Max out. I literally went up to him because he was feeling low and feeling blue. And I went up with my hands to do the chin-up thing that you see, like the basketball player helping his buddy out. Like, I want to see you carry yourself with dignity and don't be too bad. I think sometimes your own worst enemy is you and you get too, too down on yourself. And I was like, Max, chin up. And then he almost killed me.

Well, I'm the anchor for tonight and this is going to come out after the fact, so I'm sure all that— it'll, it'll end swimmingly.

It'll be great.

Yeah, that's what anchors usually help you do.

Yeah. Be great. Great.

Yeah, got it. Yep.

You're—

Max, you listen, you're a passionate Italian. Yep. We all expect it, so it's not like— I actually watched it back last night, and it's very funny because you, you did a good job of removing yourself from the situation and calming yourself down, but then you came back to the scene of this, the crime, and when you started screaming meltdown. I had a meltdown. You had a meltdown while having a meltdown. It was so fucking perfect. Accusing another man of a meltdown while having a meltdown was very funny.

Max, can you, uh, can you just walk us through the 18th hole? Because I, I had a front row view for it.

No, the answer to that question is no, I cannot do that.

Okay.

Okay.

Do you think it's a little funny in retrospect screaming You're the one who had a meltdown while having a meltdown.

Well, you're just— you're— you're the worst.

I actually was the worst in that moment. Going back and showing how easy the hole was was a dickhead move.

Max, is it unfair for me to be like, hey, you should lighten up a little bit? It's literally a mini golf competition.

Well, you don't have to touch me. Yeah, that's it.

That's a no. That's a no-touch zone.

Also, it's not just a mini golf competition. This is life or death.

And I just— and I, for some reason, I've gone last every single round. Yeah, I've been, I've been, I've been— all eyes on me every single round so far. Look, luckily Hank just went nuclear yesterday. We didn't even have to worry about in the second round, but whatever.

What's your, what's your if you don't make it, you die number for golf? Yeah, for mini golf.

I can't even like begin to— no, I don't. I can't do that math right now. No, like, I don't know what, like, a par—

you gotta get to the 13th hole tonight. Smash play.

The Gator Hole is a problem.

There's a lot of problems.

Gator Hole is like—

there's a lot of problems.

Sand Hole is a problem. Pizza Hole.

Pizza Hole is a problem. Yeah, there's some problem holes. My other one was that I got caught in the bathtub this week.

Okay.

No. All right.

Go on.

So we had, we had some great interviews this week. Shane Bacon, we recorded at 10:30 on Monday. And then Boban was 10 o'clock in person on Tuesday. For some reason, when I woke up Tuesday morning, I had 10:30 in my head from yesterday, from Monday. So I was like, all right, yeah, I have to be at the office at like, whatever, 10:15. I'll be fine. And then I got a, like a Google Calendar alert I was looking at my phone while in the bathtub at 9:00.

Time out. Yeah, you're taking Tuesday morning baths?

Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

What?

I love to start my day with a bath.

But wait, not just Tuesday morning, but Tuesday morning baths where I know you didn't understand what time the interview was going to be, but but it was still gonna cut you short within like 30 minutes. You were gonna have to rush out of the tub.

I had no, no, I had an alarm set at 10 o'clock. It takes me 5 minutes, 5 minutes to get to work.

This is unheard of.

This, this, that got the, the exact same reaction from the boys.

Yeah, the bath is supposed to be a luxurious end of day decompression, not a I'm just waking up on a Tuesday morning with a busy week week, let me take 30 minutes out of my day and hop in the bath.

Well, that's what I needed that Tuesday morning.

I don't—

that's crazy, dude.

I don't think my body would know what to do if it took a bath before noon. I like— if you take a bath before noon, you better have the flu.

I, I have never— I can confidently say I have never done this in my life on a weekday morning.

I don't know what to tell you. That, that's what, that's what I was doing at the time.

So bubbles?

Were you bubbles?

Oh yeah. Are you kidding? Is there— is jacuzzi tub?

No, no, no, this is very standard. Half of my belly is outside of the tub when I'm laying down in this tub.

Did you have like breakfast in the tub or coffee?

No breakfast, no coffee.

Just— did you have something to read?

No, I had, I had, uh, just your phone, the iPad up, watching Netflix, chilling. Had my phone. It's a good way to start my day. It's like, all right, take a deep breath, now go, go about the rest of my day.

It's crazy. It's definitely a crazy move, but I I kind of want to try it.

It's nice. It's nice. But regardless, well, what— this one wasn't nice because I got the alert 10 minutes before, like, interview starts. 10 minutes. I jumped out of, jumped out of the tub. I don't even think I dried myself, put clothes on, came in wet. I got, I probably pretty wet. I, I went, I almost left without un— like unclogging. What do you, what do you call it?

Undraining?

Yeah, draining. Undraining is stupid, stupid by me, draining the tub. And I somehow did get here by like 10:01 and Boban walked in at like 10:00, like walked into the studio at like 10:03. So it did work out. But I was 10 minutes from tub to studio, like on the dot.

That's incredible. I mean, I'm actually, I actually feel violated. I feel violated knowing that I was talking to you 10 minutes post-tub. That's not enough time between the two. Yeah, that's not enough time.

My car within 5 minutes, and then it was a 5-minute drive.

You got to— you, if this ever happens again, you need to alert me, cuz I can't— we can't be conversing 10 minutes post—

I, I told Memes this, then he was like, you have to say— you have to tell that story on the show.

Max, how many times a week would you say that you take a bath?

3 or 4.

That's a— that's a ton of baths. That's a lot.

I don't know what to tell you. I really like—

that's Is there any rhyme or reason to it? Are they all on weekdays?

Uh, mostly weekdays.

That's crazy.

I mix up whether it's morning or night, but it's—

You're an adult man and your body's pruned 3 or 4 times a week.

Yeah, I love it. I absolutely love it. It's like, it's my favorite. It's my favorite place to be.

We gotta get you an upgraded bath.

No, that's what I was gonna say. Like, I'm looking to move and like a deal breaker for me is like a nice tub.

A big jacuzzi tub.

A big, nice tub. Yeah.

All right, Zach. I also feel like I had a pretty good week this week. Uh, my Fire Fest would have to be— we did do like preliminary rounds for the mini golf to try to get into the tournament on stream the other day, later in the evening.

I thought it was going to be pretty, uh, pretty cut and dry, like, hey, you perform well in golf, maybe you get in. And then somehow I just ended up in like an Illuminati humiliation ritual out of nowhere. They brought out the handcuffs, they brought out a blindfold. Dante was wrapping around me by the hips, guiding me through a whole— through a course. I thought Max had my back.

Max somehow lines me up on like this big blue penis on the course.

Looked like it was just sodomizing me.

It was tough.

It was bad. It was bad luck.

Do you feel a little bit like the SpongeBob meme watching all your friends play golf this week? Oh, it looks like so much fun.

Yeah, it does.

It looked like competition in golf and like you get to get to— oh man, it does look fun.

It's not always fun.

Yeah, Max doesn't have a lot of fun, but out yesterday afternoon was fun.

Second round was fun.

Shout out Hank.

But when it's not fun, it's intense, and that intensity is still like, it's addictive. We can win this.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay, good show, boys. Sunday night with our guy Scott Van Pelt. Let's have a great Masters weekend.

Get your big Texas excited.

Hank, are you playing golf this weekend? Yeah, you got to. Got to before the Masters.

Not right now. I'm playing Saturday.

Okay.

Potentially Sunday. Probably not, though.

Yeah. You got to get around it.

All right.

You think the courses are more or less full during the Masters?

I feel like it's like it—

like you see it on TV and it's also something up.

Everyone's trying to get—

they're just really going to be really nice.

Well, but also everyone's trying to get their rounds in before the Masters, before it starts. Yeah. So, yeah, it's got to be packed on Masters.

And you can also just watch the Masters on your phone.

True.

Yeah, good point, memes.

Good point, memes.

Yeah.

All right, numbers. 56, 31.

Oh, thank God. Uh, 66, 23, 32, 24, 4, 18. Freddie Couples minus 2 right now.

Nice.

Let's go, Freddie!

62. Anyone? Let's go, one more. 62. I'm on 3 numbers. 23, 56, 71.

Same numbers, same numbers, same numbers.

74.

Anyone close?

Who was close?

Me.

What'd you have?

71.

Oh shit. Oh shit.

Max is bummed out. Happy birthday to John Madden, Steven Seagal, and Haley Joel Osment. The big three. Love you guys.

No one else?

Uh, happy birthday, Colton's brother. Oh, Colton's brother, happy birthday.

No one else?

Is there— am I missing one?

Brandon Walker.

Today's Brandon Walker's birthday? Yeah.

Fuck it.

No, I'm just kidding.

Okay.

Yeah.

Love you guys.