Transcript of E541 BigXthaPlug

I have some tour dates upcoming to tell you about. Bloomington, Indiana, November 13th, Columbus, Ohio, Champaign, Illinois. Over there in Illinois, Grand Rapids, Michigan, Lafayette, Louisiana and Beaumont, Texas. There are some tickets still available. Theovaughn.com T O U R make sure to go through that link. So you're getting fairly priced tickets. Today's guest is a rapper out of Dallas, Texas. He has his new album, Take Care, which he's on tour with right now. He has hit songs, Texas Whip it and others. We're grateful for his time. Today's guest is Big X the Plug.

Shine on me and I will find.

A song I will sing. Where'd you just come from? From touring. I'm gonna move this down on you a touch.

Where we just come from? Louisville, Kentucky. Oh, yeah? Yes, sir.

How was that? All right?

Yeah, it was. It was good. It was good, man. I didn't think. What, was it sold out? No, but it was. It was packed. 95%. It was crazy though.

They got a lot of horses up there too. I've been in the horse track up there.

Yeah, I was just gonna say, don't they do like derbies and stuff?

Yeah, it's nice. Some of the horses are strong. Some of them aren't that strong. What else has been going on? Yeah, I was just up in Montana. We had some shows up there, met some Native Americans up there.

Okay.

You ever met any Native Americans?

Like a real life one? No, I don't think so.

We met a couple up there. They're pretty cool, man. We was up at. I met. We were at Autozone up there and they had a couple Native Americans up there and we met them and. Yeah, they're just wild and they try to. They have a lot of good weed too, a lot of times.

Oh, okay then. Yeah, I probably would have bumped into a few, but I heard it's beautiful out there. Shabuza. That's one of my close friends and he was just out there shooting the video and he was like, brother, I'm gonna move out here. It's crazy.

So nice.

I gotta make sure I stop by there.

Yeah, it looks like you're like on a nut. Like, I mean, it looks like you're on this planet, but on it, just like on the best parts of it, you look out there and they got all kind of exotic animals too out there. That's why I think. Yeah, yeah. Native Americans have the best weed. I've always heard that. I never gotten to smoke any with them. They got that shit that'll bring your dead relatives back you know, they got that real. They got that soothsayer gas.

Homie, do I want to smoke that? At that point, I don't bring you the relatives back. Do you want to smoke that?

That's true. I mean, I guess if you owe somebody some money, maybe you just let them be where they're at. Yeah, yeah.

Not for sure.

Yeah. And they had the best pets, too. Think about it. Native Americans had the best pets, man. Falcon, buffalo, eagles.

I'm scared of all that type of stuff.

Really.

I'm scared of any animal that's for one bigger than me. So, like, horses, cows. I'm terrified of them.

Yeah, that makes sense.

And then just eagles, and that's still, like, you can't really do nothing about those. So if they fly down and grab you and rip skin off, you can't do nothing to them. Can't. So, you know, I don't do bugs. I don't do exotic lizards. I don't do snakes. I don't really.

I could see you with a nice bird, man.

With a bird. Yeah, I do have a bird. My daughter's name, her nickname is Bird, so that's as good as it get. I was terrified right there.

Oh, wow.

Yeah, I was terrible. You sound far away. I am from Royce.

Oh, it is. Yeah. Yeah. You kept your distance. Wow. Did you even facetime with that thing first, or. They just brought him straight.

They just brought it. They just brought it.

Yeah. That kind of stuff is a lot, man. Horses make me nervous, too. They're just so big, and you don't trust them, you know?

Exactly.

And I don't trust anything that only can see out of the side of its head.

That, too. That, too.

You know, that's how I really feel about a lot of animals, but did you ever have any pets growing up?

Yeah, a lot of dogs.

Oh, yeah. What kind do y'all have?

Rottweilers. Right now, I have a Cane Corso. I have two pocket bullies. Got a Frenchie, but just. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That actually looks just like my dog Sasha, that's at the house right now with the white patches and everything.

And. Does y'all have a chain on it?

No, no. She's horrible. She's bad. So, like.

Oh, really?

Yeah, yeah.

Can you even pet her or. Nuh.

Yeah. Nah, you can pet her or whatnot, but she just. If she don't know you, she gonna go crazy.

Oh, God.

But once you. Once she smell you and she good.

And you locked in, I wouldn't even risk it. See, I get scared Getting high around dangerous animals, that's one of my big things, you know, I would have sometimes trouble smoking with the brothers when I was young because a lot of them would bring a dog with them. And if we got high, it just made me too nervous, man. I'd get out of my own car and leave everybody in there one time because I couldn't handle it.

Well, you might want to stay away from that weed and Montana.

Yeah, I stay off that native stuff, man. Thank you so much for joining us, bro.

For sure. It's a blessing to be here.

Yeah. Congratulations on all your success, man.

Sir. Appreciate you.

It's exciting. Yeah. I love listening to your. Your songs. Like the. But they all have this beginning that kind of creates this, like, it almost feels like it's a start of a movie. It's like before, like, you come in with the lyrics. It's like there's this. Each one has, like, this ambiance that gets going. Who makes that? How do y'all make that choice? Like, how does that happen?

When I just. I've been with the same producer for about two, three years now. Band play. Tony Coles. And so we kind of just know each other's, like, souls at this point. And so they just, you know, they go based off of what they feel like I would mess with in a song. And then they go from there. Tony, pick out the sample, man. Play through the 8,08, all the beatings on it and just go. They know. I like. I'm a build up person. So that beginning, that's. That's my build up.

Yeah. It almost feel kind of romantic in the beginning somewhat.

I'm not for sure. Get you in the mood. Get you ready and make you want to hear what I'm about to say.

So the video with the skydiving, y'all really skydiving it?

No, I would never skydive in my life.

Really.

Or you can go down quick, bungee jump. I'm one of those people who believe in, like. I just feel like I would have a heart attack before I got, you know, or I would faint or something. So now I can't pull my string. So I just rather not do it. I just rather not do it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know why some people do it. I wonder if they have a lot of. Yeah, the video. That was so tough, man. How did y'all shoot it, though? Did you guys have, like a fake chopper or something?

Fake. A fake plane, A lot of air and great actor. Anybody want me in the movie? There you go.

Yeah. You could be in, like, a paratrooper movie, man.

And it don't look like I fail that fast. It actually, like, I feel at a.

At a decent rate.

There you go. There it went. I would drop fast right then.

It did seem like you were. Because I was kind of. When I was watching that, because usually if people are really flying, you see, like, their cheeks going like that. And I was like, man, it seemed like he's kind of going at a casual speed. But that's when you know, when you got a vibe, bro. When you can skydive at a casual speed. When you can do it your own way.

Yeah.

What's happening in Texas, man?

Still hot.

How has your life changed over there? Like, even in the past two years, probably.

I mean, for me, it hasn't really changed. I still do the same daily stuff I would do if I was home. But of course, everybody know me now. So now instead of going to Walmart, I now have to do curbside pickups. Now, you know, it's just stuff like that. But as far as me and my home and my family, ain't nothing really changed. We still. Everybody kick it when we can, you know? If not, I'm at home with my kids, chilling, you know, nothing too major. I don't. I'm as basic as I get, you know, I don't treat myself like a superstar or nothing like that.

So is it. Does it feel overwhelming sometimes with people knowing you as much? Is it sometimes a little bit? Like, what is it like? Does it feel kind of, like, alarming sometimes? Does it feel like what you thought it would feel like? Because it's. A lot of people don't get to have that much popularity, right? It just. So it's interesting when it does happen to somebody because it's just a rare thing, right?

I mean, as far as, like, I was popular in school, but then it's like after that era faded out, I started doing stuff that it's like you kind of don't want people to know, like, to know who you are. And now it's like, I gotta let people get this close to me before I know if they're friend or foe. So, of course it bothered me. But, I mean, it come with the job. So I just gotta keep big guys like him around me.

So. Yes, sir. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good choice there. And. And, yeah. Is it more dangerous? Because I think, like, it's funny sometimes if you're just like a regular guy, nobody will try to shoot you. But then when You're a rapper, people try to shoot you.

Yeah, yeah, you definitely. And I. It's just a lot of, you know, just like, it's God in the world, it's devil. You know, it's the devil, too, man. You know, the paths that some people decide to take is not always the right one. So, you know, you just gotta kind of be prepared for it. Yeah, you're a target. Because everybody feel like you got all this money, all of this, when people don't even know. Like, So a lot of these major artists, all they have is that chain and their watch. I got no money, you know, so you just did what you did for a chain and a watch. Me, I try to treat everybody as equal. So, like, when a person walk up on me, I'm gonna give you that picture. I'm gonna talk to you as if you're a normal person, because that's what makes somebody want to get you when you. Nah, I'm good. You know, that's what. When you show them that separation, that's when they want what you want.

You're too fancy.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

Yeah. For rappers, it just feels like D. It just feels a little bit more dangerous. I feel like, you know, like, do you have to keep, like, a EMT with, like, do your people know CPR in your team and stuff like that or what is it like.

I ain't gonna lie, fellas, if I. If we get to that point. Don't try to put y'all lips on me.

Come on, bro.

Don't y'all put y'all lips on me. Y'all find the nearest woman, and y'all teach. Y'all teach her how to do it. But don't y'all put y'all lips on me.

Bro, you gonna have some girl sitting there watching a YouTube video.

Yeah, yeah. I can't. No, I can't go through that.

So, Bro, you ain't gonna feel it, bro. You gonna be just.

But when I come to, that's a question you gotta ask, you know, when you come to and you say, what happened? So there's gonna be that guy that's in the back of the room, like, you know, and I don't wanna deal with that.

Yeah, that's true. You gonna have to look him in the eyes.

You have to. You don't know whether to say thank you or let's fight, you know?

Hey, hey, chill, bro.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

Hey, next time, ask first.

And then my partner's so funny that they ain't gonna do nothing. Make a Joke about it. I almost died and y'all talking about some. But y'all kiss, though.

Y'all kiss, you know, so you alive, but you a little zesty now.

Just find the nearest woman. Find woman for me. I don't care how old she is. Just finding this woman, please.

Yeah, that's what I just wonder. I think I would keep. If I was in the rapper, I would have somebody, bow and arrow, somebody with a couple choppers on them. Everything. Dracos, everything. Guns.

Ninja thing, bro.

Magic, metal, ninja stars, all of that, boy.

I mean, you just, you know, you just pray for the best.

X. I would have everything, bro. I'd have somebody just walking around, look like they were in one of those video games where they have all the weapons behind them like that.

Like, when they get ready to go to war, they pack all of the weapons, but then they don't use none of them.

Yeah, well, even cops now, they got so many things on. They got a taser, they got a gun. They got us a slingshot. They got a pepper spray. They got a fucking, you know, a thing of marble. So they got all kind of shit on them, bro. You'll see.

They got a. I've never seen an officer with a bag of marbles, but they got.

They got so many things now, bro. He got a camera, he get. They got a little spatula, you know, a thing of just breath, man. He's just shooting Mentos at people, you know, they got. I don't even. I couldn't even imagine running around with all that stuff on me now.

Yeah. Nah. Yeah, they do. They gotta chase people there. And a lot of. Yeah, that's crazy. On top of the vest that's already here.

Yeah. They're built like a 7 11, and they gotta run around and chase everybody down. It's too much.

Everybody would get away from if I was to. Please. I'll catch you eventually, you know.

Hey, I'll catch you in the future.

Yeah. Now let me see you again, because I can. I wouldn't, you know.

Did you. What was like, a first job that you had?

Man, my first ever job was Taco Cabana. I was 16. I was getting paid 7. I was supposed to get paid 725. But when I started working my first day, he said, 725. No, you're too good of a worker. I pay you 750. Really? And I just thought I was that guy. 750. That was my first ever check. My first check was like $200. Two weeks work, bro.

When you got that first check. It was nice, huh?

No, I was so upset. It was like two, three hundred dollars. Two weeks of work. Yeah. I was so mad. But I kept going. I kept going.

And how long were you in over there at the cabana?

Maybe like a month. Maybe a month and a half.

Damn. You didn't keep going at all.

I've never had a job over four or five months.

Really? What was it about it, you think? Did y'all have some, like, was it a contractual issues? What was the deal over there?

As bad as it sounds, it's just something about somebody telling me what to do. You know what I'm saying? Especially in that aspect. It's like you're not even the big dog. You work for them, just like I work for them and you sitting here telling me what to do. Exactly. I just always felt like I watched my mom and my pops growing up. They was out. They were entrepreneurs, so they, you know, they was their own bosses. And here I am working at Taco Cabela, getting paid 750 when I would rather be my own boss.

Yeah.

So I think that's probably me. Having that first job is probably what made me start wanting to do stuff, to just be my own entity, my own boss. Because that was horrible. Having somebody telling you when to come in, telling you what to do at the job. I just. I couldn't do it.

Yeah. And was any of the food pretty good, or was it like.

Yeah, yeah. They used to have this little. I don't even know what the bowl is called, but it's like a bowl shell. Like it's a bowl, but it's like the bowl is a shell. And inside of that you got, like, your meats, your guacamole, your rice, beans.

I like all that.

You can just crush the bowl. Exactly. Hey, whoever's doing that is doing a great job.

Oh, we about to pay that dude 750 an hour, I'll tell you that.

A cab.

We keep it in.

Get a new job. Get a new job. Good.

That's like a little magic hat or something. Filled with a down. A little Thanksgiving and a little Mexican Thanksgiving in there.

That was my. Every time I would leave work, that's what I was taking with me.

Yeah. Cabana Bone and which all had dessert choices up there, too.

Soap appears.

Oh, yeah.

Soapia.

God, bro. With ice cream with them.

Not ice cream, but, like, it's some little icing at their head.

I love those.

But, yeah, self appeal is. That was my first time ever having a self appeal was at that job, it's my favorite thing to make there. Yeah, you just got to drop it in some grease, come out like the little perfect little square thing, dip it in the sauce. You good?

Oh, yeah. And y'all could smoke on a job. Was that allowed or not?

No. And this was. I was a football player at that time, so I wasn't really just smoking. I ain't really. I was. I was on the hoes on other stuff. See, whenever I had jobs is when I was kind of, like, on a different path. Whenever I didn't have a job, it was a different path. I was trying to be my own boss at that time.

So what was. You said one of your folks, they had their own business. What was their business? They had.

I mean, it wasn't nothing that you could, like, write off on your taxes, you know, you could do taxes and whatnot, you know, but. Yeah, yeah. And they paid the. They got the bills paid.

Nobody fell out of W9.

Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah but the bills was paid. It was clothes on my back and, you know, it was a roof over my head, so I can't complain about it.

Yeah, not at all, man. Are your parents still married or.

No, no, they broke up before I even came out the womb. Oh, wow. But, you know, they still good friends. They both helped take care of me, made me the man I am today. So, I mean, it worked out for me.

When. What? When you had. Cause you have how many children you said you have? One daughter.

Yeah, I have a newborn little girl. She's about to be eight months. And I got a little boy. He's about to be six.

Nice.

Yeah, yeah.

Oh, I think I saw one of your videos, maybe. Yeah. Oh, that's cool.

That's my dog right there.

Is he cool?

Yeah, yeah.

What does he like to do?

Cause havoc. So my little boy got autism, so he just. He's just real. He's him, you know, like, he's the one. He'll sit here and be quiet one moment, and then the next moment, he trying to take something from you and run around with it. He just. He a character, man. He his own entity within himself. Yeah. Carter. Yeah. Oh, he's handsome guy, just like his daddy.

What if he has, so, autism? Does he have, like. Is it almost really interesting having a child with autism? Because it almost seems like it's more of a complex relationship.

So they're actually some of the smartest kids in the world. Smartest people in the world.

Oh, yeah. Elon Musk had all Those guys out autism, the guys that are making all the machinery now. You gotta have autism to even get a damn job at some of these joints.

So, like, with him, it's more like of his speech. Like, I could tell him, turn on the tv. I can ask him what you wanna watch? You can point it out. It's just his speech. Like, his words aren't all the way to. But if you tell him, I love you, he'll say, I love you. He can repeat anything you say, Whether it's good or bad, he can repeat it. It's just like he can't put it all together himself. You know what I'm saying? But he's as normal as could be. He's smart as. I don't know what. Any kid that can. That knows how to jump a fence. You see what I'm saying? To go get in the pool. That knows how to say, I want to go to dad's house. And then when he gets to Dad's house, say pool. Like, I only came here for the pool. The only reason I came, he knows how to get in. I don't have to put thumbprint codes on my pantries. Cause when he. With his mommy, he eats, like, a lot of organic foods. And, you know, when he come to dad house, you got the good snacks.

Yeah.

So now he know how to get in my pantry and climb up. Yeah, Carter is a character. But that's my dog, man. That's my dog.

Were you scared about having children when you was gonna have them, Like. Cause, you know, I would like to have children. I don't have any yet, but I would like to have some. But sometimes I'm like, man, is it just gonna be such a big change? You know?

I mean, you gotta. You gotta leave a legacy. You gotta. I've always wanted to. I grew up in big families, like, so on my dad's side, whenever we did Christmas together, everybody was spending the night at, you know, at grandma house. Everybody was like, my granny got. I got what, one, two, three. My granny got five kids. My dad got six kids. You know what I'm saying? Like, so that just. It's just big over there. On my mom's side, everybody just got kids. So it's just. I just grew up in big family, so I knew I always wanted a big family. I didn't think I was gonna start as early as I did, but I really feel like I'm doing better because my mom and my dad, they was. My mom was 15, my dad. You see what I'm saying?

So, yeah, a lot of. We had in our. Yeah. In our town, a lot of the young, a lot of the sisters, they got a little bit pregnant early.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You didn't even. We didn't even know. We thought a lot of them just got kind of thick or whatever, like one summer or whatever. Then we were like, damn, everybody's thick all of a sudden.

Yeah, everybody got that baby.

Yeah. And everybody had a. Then they all had a baby. Yeah, they had a lot of them babies in our area. Yeah, I think that would be the wild thing. Dude. So were you already rapping when you had your son?

No.

Wow. So was it kind of nervous like how I'm gonna take care of him or. It wasn't like it was.

Yeah, I was sleeping. I was at my granny house sleeping on the couch. I had just got a job at ups.

Oh, yeah. And they got good benefits over there.

No, not unless you're a manager or like something to that sort or you gotta work there a certain amount of time. It's not good. It's not good. But yeah, I had just. I was staying in Austin, Texas, whenever I went to school, got kicked out of school, I went to stay in Austin, Texas, with the mother of Carter, and I went to jail. Got out where she was staying at, I wasn't supposed to go to no more.

Oh, you had a restraining order.

I had a restraining order from the apartment complex. Cause what I had did was in the apartment complex.

Okay.

So when I got out, we did what we did. The one last time I left to go back to Dallas, she called me three months later telling me that she was pregnant.

Wow.

I said, I'm asleep on the couch at my granny house. And I'm. All I could tell was, all right, bet I'm finna move you out here. I'm on somebody couch right now. You can come sleep on this couch with me. But I'm gonna get us right. Yeah, she came. I think she slept on the couch with me maybe two, three weeks. And then I had a sub apartment. It wasn't no furniture the first week or two.

We slept. We sit on each other laps, what?

So on a pallet on the floor.

I be the chair. You be the chair, take turns.

Exactly. And so. But we made it work, so.

Wow, that's wild. Man, that takes some commitment, huh?

Yeah. Yeah. That's why she's forever taken care of. We're not even together now. She got. She got everything she could think of. You know what I'm saying? Times 10.

So you have a lot of respect for her, it sounds like.

Sure. For sure. If it wasn't for her, I probably wouldn't be here.

Yeah.

And that's just me being honest.

What? What? Did you go to jail? Did you say you went to jail? What did you go to jail for?

So, well, how about this?

What were the holidays like in jail?

What holiday did I spend in jail? Did I spend the holiday? I think I spent. No, I did. I spent Thanksgiving in jail.

Oh, yeah? What's it like? Do people get up early? Is there anything special, like, on that?

You know what? Now that I think about it, though, I was in solitary confinement, though, for that Thanksgiving, so. Boom. No, no, no. Yeah, I was. I was. Yeah, I was. So it was just a bunch of screaming from door to door.

What, you just hear people voices? Do people at least sing like a.

I mean, you got. There's people that sit there. That's actually crazy. You know what I'm saying? So they actually do scream and do all that stuff, and they scream.

Anything special, like. Cause it's Thanksgiving. That's what I'm wondering.

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I was screaming something special on the day I got out. It was a Tuesday. Like, the day I was supposed to go to court. It was a Tuesday.

Yeah.

So when I woke up to take my shower, I was just. I was singing, Tuesday, Tuesday. Like, if you ever seen Norby, he was in the shower knowing that he had to go to the water park with old girl on a Tuesday. That's exactly how it was. And everybody that was in that room was just dying, laughing.

That's a happy day.

Yeah, it was a happy day.

Wow. So. Yeah, thanks. What about Halloween? Were you in there?

No, no, Halloween. I was out Thanksgiving.

Yeah. So do y'all get a special meal or. Like, is there any.

I mean. Yeah, they kind of. They give you a little scoop of dressing that. But it's. It's just not the same as.

Do y'all go around the table and, like, say what you're thankful for, anything like that?

Nah, I doubt that's how it went. You see? There you go.

Oh, who are those guys?

I don't know them. Oh, I don't know them.

Yeah, look. I mean, it definitely. Yeah, it seems. Yeah, I guess it wouldn't be the best. Like, it wouldn't be the best.

Like, really, holidays. Holidays in jail. I feel like they're not really celebrated because that's the time where everybody wish that they was with their family, you know what I'm saying? So that's when everybody. It's kind of intense because everybody is upset. Everybody want to be with their kids, their moms, their mom says everybody just kind of try to get through the day.

Yeah, that's a good point. I've thought about that. You kind of almost pretend like it's not that day.

Exactly.

Did they have, like, a lot of gay activity in jail? Did you see any of it or you hear about it sometimes on.

There was one gay experience for me in jail, and it was an older dude that had. He was in there from stealing a bunch of wood from Home Depot.

Damn. Probably gonna build him a little gay hut.

I don't know. But he had been in there. He had been in there. I don't think nobody knew that he was like that or whatever, but you could tell he had been down a lot. Like, he done went to jail a bunch of times.

Yeah. Yeah.

And there was a. There was a guy that came in there that was a dentist, but he was a member of the LGBTQ community.

Okay.

And he came in with nothing, though. Like, he was from. This is right.

When he was a dentist.

Yeah, but he was illegal dentist. You see what I'm saying? Like, so he knew how to do teeth, but he didn't have. He didn't have a storefront or the paperwork or anything. He just. You know what I'm saying? Exactly. He just know how to do. But he was from. He's from Mexico. This is when they were. This is when the whole ICE situation was going on, and they were catching a bunch of the illegals and sending them back. And so my pal was a bunch of illegals, and he was one of the illegals, but he just happened to be a part of the. You know what I'm saying? Right.

He was a gay gentleman, but he also. He did dental. He did dental, and he would do dental in the. In the.

No, no, no. That's what. That's how he got arrested. When he got pulled over, he had a bunch of dentist equipment and dentist stuff in his trunk, and he just. There was no license.

Wow.

Yeah. So that's what got him. But even on top of that, like I said, he was illegal.

Yeah.

So. But, yeah, he didn't have nothing. And the og. The old school, he had some stuff, and so he just basically took care of him, and he had to take care of him.

So it was just kind of like a prison, kind of a love story almost.

Exactly. And we weren't even in prison. We was just in jail. But that. Yeah, that kind of that messed me up, though. Yeah, that messed me up.

Yeah. So. No, but even then, at least you get to see somebody having some romance. I guess that was almost.

I didn't see anything.

Yeah. Or you get to. Or I guess it's. Yeah, I don't know.

I didn't see anything. I just, you know, you kind of put together, but you start to put.

Two and two together. But I bet some people get a little bit envious, like, at least he got somebody, you know?

I mean. Hey, man, I don't know. I didn't think that way.

Yeah, I just, you know, me neither, dude.

I just.

But it's. Yeah, but that's. Love is love, though.

Yeah.

If people are in for a long time, I could see how if somebody was in for a long time and they're not going to get out, they say, I'm just gonna have to figure this out over here and call.

I mean, if you in jail for the. If you in prison for the rest of your life. No, I can't even say that. Cause then that insinuation. If I was to ever go to prison for the rest of my life, then I. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. We're here now.

Yeah. Yeah. Happy Thanksgiving.

Happy Thanksgiving.

Wow, man. Yeah. I guess I wonder what the holidays are like in there and stuff like that. But is there anything that you missed? Wait, what's the difference between jail and prison?

I've never been to prison, so I can't really tell you how bad prison get, but from what I've heard, it's just. I mean, you gotta. It's. See jail, you possibly going home, you know what I'm saying? Like, you can go home, prison, you know, you there for a little bit. So that's when it's more hostile. It's more gangs, it's more. You know what I'm saying? That's where that stuff takes a play in like the. The gang wars and then the racial stuff. That stuff is real in prison.

I hate all that.

Some people say that the feds is better than prison just because after strength is for one. I guess a lot more people with money there, so. And it's just a lot more stuff there, like tablets, you know, I mean, everybody got tablets now. Even in. Even in prison they got tablets. Yeah, but it's just, you know, I'm.

Saying for a while, swings, recess type shit, outdoor stuff.

That's. I've never been to prison. I've never been to the Fed, so I don't know. I'm just Just going off of what I've been told. But I know if jail suck, prison gotta be worse and the fed's gotta be worse than that.

Damn.

You know, so it's just like. But if I ever go down and do some time, I'd rather go to the feds because they just look like they're not free, but they're freer. You know what I'm saying?

A little more relaxed.

Exactly. Exactly.

Yeah. I don't know if I'm gonna ever go to prison or not. I mean, overall, I would hope I didn't, but don't fucking try me.

Yeah, no, for sure.

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So remember I told you I was in solitary confinement for Thanksgiving? I had missed my son first birthday being in jail. And so when I got out, I knew I never wanted to work a real job, obviously. And on top of that, when I got out, I just couldn't do what I was doing no more. Like, all the street activity I was doing. I had made a promise to my son that, like, you'll never not see your dad again. I'd never miss another birthday. I'd never miss another anything. Even though I kinda told a story. Cause here I am here, and he's in Texas, you know what I'm saying? But this is me doing what I gotta do to benefit him. You know what I'm saying? So. But yeah, yeah. So I got out, made the promises to him, and so I just had to figure it out. I had a. He's not my artist, but he also. My cousin was just, you know, a good friend at the time. He just was like. He been rapping since he was 9 years old.

He's your real cousin.

Yeah.

Okay.

And so he had been telling me forever, you need to rap. You need to rap. Because we would do, like, little freestyle sessions and whatnot. And I would freestyle, and it'll be a group of us, but he'll just look at me and be like, bro, you need to rap for real. But I'm like, bro, you been rapping since nine years old and you ain't blew up yet. Why would I do that?

You know, I'm not gonna listen to you.

Exactly. But whenever I got out and I just really didn't have nothing else, you know what I'm saying? Like, what I was saying, I was really trying to live up to that promise that I made to my son. So whenever he was like rap, I was like, all right, bet. And I tried. It did maybe like three songs. I like the. I like the feedback I got from. You know what I'm saying? Just from our friend group. Then it went past that to just people that we knew from school. Then it went from that to people that we didn't know. And so I was just like, okay, just doing something.

So you just gave it to friends first. Was it even like close friends, or do you have enough confidence? You're like, all right, I'm gonna put this. I'm gonna.

I mean, of course. I just. I didn't even know how to drop music. Ro told me distrokid, so I just went through distrokid. But like I said, when I was dropping them, it was just. I was just telling my immediate friend group.

Yeah.

But then when I started noticing that I was getting tags and stuff from people that I didn't know.

That's wild, huh?

Yeah. I was like, okay, this is doing a little something. It's doing a little something. Then just to walk around my own city and everybody know me. I go in any club, everybody knew me. I was like, all right, this is really. It's really happening.

It's crazy.

Yeah. Then I got my first. I got my first deal in, like, in six months. My first distribution deal under six months. So once that happened, I just went from there. I just. I seen I had made a little bag off of it. Cause I done touched a lot of money in my life, but I ain't never touched nothing. Like, I've never had $100,000 sitting in my hand at one point in time.

Yeah.

And when I did that distribution deal, I had that. And so I was like, me doing something non illegal. I just touched $100,000 at one time.

You must have been like, dang, this is it.

Yeah. And then, like three months later, I was broke.

Did you get a water slide or something?

No, I just was, you know, doing for everybody.

Everybody buys some wild shit when they get a little bit of money.

Now they'll tell you, I didn't even. I didn't have no big chains. I didn't even want no choice. To this day, I wouldn't have this chain if they wouldn't tell me, bro, you got an image that you gotta uphold. You the biggest rapper in Texas. You can't. But I don't. I never cared about none of that at first. I kind of got addicted. After I start paying for.

You get some nice carpet or whatever, you get a rug, a nice table, you start buying all kind of shit.

Lamps. Exactly, exactly.

Silverware with your name on it.

Yeah. Yeah. So with my name on it. It's crazy. But now. Yeah. So I had the smallest chains I just was doing for people around me. I go in the mall, I couldn't even find nothing for me. To wear in the mall. I would go to the mall to buy shoes and just tell my friends, hey, I get whatever y'all want. You know what I'm saying? Like, my mama, anytime she would ask for anything, giving it to my pops, anything. I was just doing it. You know what I'm saying? And then I looked up one day, and I was down to, like, $25,000. I was like, oh, shit.

It was fast, too. And you gotta pay taxes, so you don't even think about that.

And I didn't think about none of that. I didn't think about none of that. And so I. I really just put my foot down and grind it, and I got it all back. And then next thing I know, that Hunt went to. I just. We went crazy after that, you know? So all independent, so all my money coming to me.

Hell, yeah.

Yeah, we did good.

Yeah, that's the same. We work for ourselves here, too. It's inspiring. I see a lot of guys out there like that little Russell. You ever see him?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He go crazy, bro.

His bars are good, man. And he's so, like, inspirational. He's got this whole thing, man. He does have the shit in his back. He already. He's sewing half the sweaters himself that he's playing. And, man, he puts it together. He's really inspiring. I like watching him. Do you see that Trump thing that happened with. The guy made the joke yesterday?

I have not been in the debate situation at all, actually.

Well, this is a comedian. They just had him in yesterday. This is Tony Hinchcliffe. He's a friend of mine, and he just. So they put him up at the. At Madison Square Gardens last night in New York City. They put him up to speak, and then this was a joke that he told. It's just everybody's going crazy about it today. Like, I don't know if you guys know this, but there's literally a floating island of garbage in the middle of the ocean right now. Yeah, I think it's called Puerto Rico. Okay, so that's the joke he told right at, like, a Madison Square Garden rally, I guess. So people are up in arms about it because a lot of people are Puerto Rican in New York.

Yeah. Yeah, that was. Those. A very crazy statement.

Yeah. That seemed like a unique choice to me, But I don't know. I've made some poor choices, but I haven't made that one, that's for sure.

I think we've all made a poor choice once before.

I've made a ton do you feel like Texas rocks with Trump? Or do you feel like, are you a political guy?

I'm not a political guy. I just listen. I keep my head down. I make the money that I can make, how I can make it. As long as I can keep taking care of my kids. I don't care about what, you know, anything. Hey, we gotta go to war. We gotta go to war. We don't. We don't. You just gotta be ready for whatever. Come.

Yeah, so you'll be a paratrooper. Dude, looking at that video of yours, we'll send you in.

And I feel like I'm to the point now where they wouldn't even ask me, you know, like, if the world was to end. You know how, like, in all the world, in the movies, there's always like, those two ships or two boats. I think I've made it to get on one of those now. Like, I'm on the list, right? They're gonna keep you exactly, like, plus two.

Yeah, yeah.

So.

And you have to bring your children, probably.

Yeah, obviously. Obviously. Or do. Or do I bring two women so that I can repopulate start?

More children?

Yeah, one kid.

One woman and the other kids.

No, no, I gotta take both my kids. I gotta take both my kids.

That's the best answer to end on, I think, for that. Yeah. People bet on it now. Two people betting on the election. They. Have you ever seen this? So this. Cause a lot of it is. It's like, well, where's people's money at? Cause that's where they're really. That's where you follow the money everywhere. Everywhere. That's where you really learn things. I find. And they have, Kelsey, this a website where people bet on the election, and it's. Yeah, Trump's at 62% now there, and Kamala is at 38%. What else do they have on there? Trevin, if you can bring something up. Oh, how many number one songs this year on Billboard? But you can bet on all. All types of stuff. Grammy nominations for album of the year. Who's that cowboy? Carter. Casey has 93%. Casey Musgraves. Chris Stapleton. Will Big X win a Grammy? Right? You could bet on that. You could bet on anything, you know, and they probably have some of it on there. But what is he at right now? What's it at right now? Go back. Oh, it's Trump. 62%. And the money that's been bet, $86 million.

That's crazy.

That's crazy, bro.

That is so crazy.

Like, as your Life is kind of taking some new turns. You've had new opportunities. Have you. Have there been any new mentors that have come into your life or, like, people that you start to see, like, this person. I feel something that they're doing is interesting or I could learn from it. And that you kind of have created relationships with, yet.

I keep my head down. I mean, I just recently did an interview with the million dollars worth of Gang Wallow and Gilly.

Yeah, I saw some of it.

But, I mean, I don't really. I don't know. I'm not a big industry person, man. I'm not gonna lie to you. I don't like. I keep relationships that are meant to be kept, like, you know, that I'm not. I'm not gonna overextend myself. It just gotta be genuine. And a lot of this stuff is not genuine.

Oh, yes. The worst.

I just. I just kind of stay to myself. I don't know. I feel like if I. If anything, my biggest mentor is like, my son. You know what I'm saying? Just because I feel like you go through everything you going through, and you still. You get up and you smile every day.

Yeah.

Even though you might not know what's going on, you just, you know, you get up and smile every day, not even knowing. You know what I'm saying? So.

Right.

I have to say my. Him. Yeah. Everybody else. I feel like. I don't know. I did everything that I've done to get here. I feel like I did it on my own. Like, so ain't nobody.

Yeah. You don't need. I guess in industry, you don't. Yeah. Maybe you're your own mentor. That's interesting. Your son could be your mentor in a way, because it really is. A mentor is just kind of a source of inspiration kind of these days.

I don't want to get up and I don't want to do none of this. You know what I'm saying? But if my son get up every day and go to school and had a bigger smile on his face and have good days, why can I not, you know?

Do you. You ever listen to Jelly Roll? You ever met Jelly Roll, man?

I've never met him, but I've heard. I've heard that he loves me, man. I love Jelly Roll. I got.

Y'all would make a sick. Y'all can put together. I don't know. If you do that kind of stuff. You have some collabs, right? Yeah, bro. He's. He's the. One of the most genuine dudes I'm actually.

I'm supposed to be doing a country tape next. And he supposed to be on it.

Yeah. So who else would be on it, you think? Shabuzi, maybe?

Shabuzi for sure. That's. That's. That's my dog. I think I got an unread text from him right now. My phone. I just texted, what, like, I got.

To sit near him at a. We went to a women's basketball game. Don't tell anybody. So we went and. But it was the Las Vegas aces.

Wait, 29. I had no idea Shabuzi was 29. You're old, buddy.

You.

You. You're old. You're old. I thought he was my age. Shaboozi, 29.

He A damn adult.

I didn't know he was a Taurus, though. His birthday, two days before mine.

Oh, he's a damn Taurus as well.

Yeah. But now he's like, I told you, it's not a lot of genuine stuff in this industry. And him and Ellie Choppa, it's just as far as rappers. That's really just it. But they most genuine guys. I can call in Ellie Chopper right now. He just called me the other day and thanked me because whenever he transitioned to that, if I was a bad. Like, he was on the way to go to Rolling Loud, because the first time he performed it was at Rolling Loud. I had just left Rolling Loud, so we had the same hotel. We had already done a song before then, but we was chopping it up, and in the back, you could hear the song playing. Like he had somebody in the back specifically holding the speaker to play that song. And, you know, a lot of people just didn't really understand what he had going. They didn't see where. I didn't even see the vision.

He's set.

But I just knew, you know what I'm saying, at the end of the day, as long as you comfortable with doing what you're doing and you know your reasons behind doing what you're doing, and why not do it like you young. At the end of the day, they doing all this other crazy stuff like why you can't do it. And so he just basically thanked me the other day for just, you know, basically accepting, you know what I'm saying, what he had going, basically believing in what he had going. Like I said, that's my God, man. I gotta get him on.

He just reached out and said, thank you.

Yeah. I swear, I was getting my haircut at my house. He called me. He was in Tokyo. He was in Japan.

They getting him over there.

I guess it was broad daylight.

They love everything.

Yeah, it was broad daylight where he was and it was dark where I was. You know what I'm saying? He was just calling me. He had just got out the shower. He was like, yeah, man, I just want to let you know I appreciate you. I thank you. But, yeah, Shabuza. That's my dog. I was just with him in New York. I was finna try to bring him out to the show today, but he in LA now, so.

Yeah, he's all over. Yeah, we sat next to each other at a game. It was pretty good. Watching the Vegas Aces is good, man.

Yeah. I gotta go see. I gotta go see a women's basketball game. I feel like it's more intense.

I can relate to their games. Cause I can't dunk. They can't dunk.

Exactly, Exactly. I feel that.

So every time they trying to dunk and they can. I. That's Ryan.

You feel it? Yeah, I feel it. I feel it.

I'm like. I got. I know what these women are going through.

I actually can dunk. My manager just didn't get footage of it.

Really?

Cause he, you know, he almost got fired that day as well. But I was just recently shooting a prize Sprint commercial. Big shout out to Prize Peaks, and I dunked the ball.

He really.

I'm lying.

We won't say what he said.

No, he said, I'm not lying.

He not lying.

I dug the ball. Wow.

Really?

They don't believe it.

No, I believe it.

This is why you needed the footage.

I believe it. I believe in Grandma. This is why you needed the footage. So that's all I'm saying.

Was there. Freddie Marco was there. They all.

Wait, was Sketch there too?

Yes.

Yeah, Sketching. Drew Ski was there.

Yes, sir.

Oh, yeah. How was that? I heard it was good. It was all for prize picks.

Yeah, it was long, but we got the job right there, bro. Yeah, I seen it before. I said that. So, yeah, now they're all great guys, man. Everybody's just genuinely funny. From Spice Adams. That guy's hilarious.

Spice Adams. I don't know him.

That's the. Bring him up. Yeah, bring him up. There you go.

Let me get a look at him. Spice Adams, Chef.

No, he does like the old basketball when you see him.

Oh, wait, did he do the. That's Anthony Adams.

But he goes by. He goes by Spice.

He goes by Spice now.

Well, that's his best.

Anthony Anderson, actually, for a second.

I think that's a movie artist or something.

Yeah, it is. Anthony Adams.

You gotta pull up, like, one of his clips. Like the. One of the basketball clips.

Yeah. See if you can get one of them.

I didn't even know he played professional football.

Me neither. Hell, I didn't even know he. I didn't know who he was. Spice Adams.

Go to the video. Down to the right. Far right. Right there. This is.

Oh, dang, bro.

We tried.

We tried Spice. Oh, there he is.

He's just a funny guy.

Come on, now.

You didn't do that, now, did you?

Who's he doing, Mike Epps?

Nah, he's just saying this is how old. This is how older guys laugh. How old? His laugh at glucose Mama jokes. What? Like what? Oh, no. But yeah, he a character, man. Drew Ski. Everybody. Everybody know Drewski a character.

Drew Ski's the best, man. I did a. Me and Drew Ski did a fake movie. There's, like, a fake movie like that we made. This shit was messed up. So the family is called the Diggers is their last name, right? Drewski wrote it.

Okay?

So we're at the. One of them, the dad dies. It's Drewski and his sister. They own. They're inheriting a funeral parlor. And then I'm married, Andrewski's sister, okay? And so I'm getting part of the funeral parlor, okay. And they're not happy about it. But anyway, we're at the. We're at the funeral of the dad, the guy that died. And the last name is. His name was Nathan. Digger, Right. And so I had to make a speech in front of all these people, and it was like, man, I don't know if I can say this right now, but I was like, man, this is the best digger we ever had in the whole world. Right? And it was a room full of black folks who didn't. I didn't know any of them. And Drew Ski and them are in the back just howling, bro. And I'm just having to keep. I had to do it, like, 15 times.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Finally, I was like, man, I can't do this.

Yeah, it would've got awkward after a while.

Yeah, bro. Right in.

That's like. Even if. Even if I know that you're saying this other word after, like, the seventh time, it starts to sound like the other word, you know?

Dude, it was real. Yeah, it got really scary, even for a little while. But it was Drew Ski's hilarious, dude. The video where he gets out of prison, that's Demon Home, you see?

Yeah, the Demon Home.

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Lot of people would have to go before me. Like you would have. Like a group of people, like not the astronauts that like you would have. Cause they said they're supposed to be building a hotel up there or something.

Yeah.

Somebody gotta go stay in that hotel for a week and come back safely. And they gotta check all their blood, you know, their vitals. And if everything Good. I go on, like, the third or fourth group trip. You know what I'm saying? I go on that. I would.

That'd be wild. If you were out there.

It would. Because I would be lighter.

Yeah.

That's really where I want to go.

Lean with it. Rock with it, boy.

Exactly. I would mix. I would. I have so many captions when I come back, man. Yeah.

I wonder if you could write different bars if you were in space. Cause it would affect you differently.

My mental right.

Yeah.

I can't say nothing about standing on business. Cause I'm floating on business. I see what you're saying. That'd be hard. We got. I gotta do. We gotta get. Gotta get us some space, man.

First album written in space. That'd be tough.

I'm also soldier boy stuff now. First. First rapper to write an album in space.

Yeah. I wonder, man. Big X. Tra. Terrestrial. You could meet an alien out there. Do a lot of you believe in aliens? Do you believe in aliens, my friend?

I don't know.

Cause you gotta think, man. They got a lot of space out there, man.

They do. Do I believe that there's another, like, planet out there with life on it? Of course. I think so. Aliens. I think they might look just like us. Yeah, I think they might look just like us. They might just speak different and. Yeah. Yeah. I ain't gonna say they just look like, you know. I'm not gonna say that, but. Yeah.

Like a Teletubby or something.

Yeah, they might look like. Yeah, I'm not gonna do that. But they might look like the guy with the ears. Yeah, him down there. Damn it. Right there. They might look like that.

Oh, damn. He looked like he cut his own hair. That guy cuts his own hair, man.

Maybe. What if they don't have to cut their hair? That's just how they hear naturally.

They just snap and it falls off how they want it to be. Wow.

This is. This is as alien as it'll get for me.

Dude. We used to have a bus driver. He would cut everybody's hair. He was the barber in our town. So, like, once a month, he pulled a bus over $2. Everybody get cut up.

$2. I don't know. I don't know if I want that haircut.

Oh, it wasn't a great cut, but it's the only cut they had, man.

But it's like, what can you give for $2?

How many you get? What you get?

He was just sitting a bowl out here today. Just couldn't around it.

Well, he could do it Off a site. He didn't need a, you know, a dishware or nothing, but he could. He, he, he, he, he, he did it.

He didn't have that much faith in himself though. Cause $2, that's $2. That don't even get you no dip. They don't get you nothing.

But this was, man, this was 25 years ago, though. Two. 22 years ago.

Okay, okay.

So he had. Yeah, he really. I thought he did a pretty good job, but he pulled that bus over. Bam. Everybody.

How old are you?

I'm 44.

Really?

I'm an adult, man. I'm gonna die soon.

I'm an adult, man. You look good.

It's the end. Thanks, man. I feel good, but I'm just getting older. I gotta get a wife soon.

Yeah, you don't have to.

I know.

You don't have to.

You don't think, man.

It's like part of me for like this. I don't know, man. I got two women right now, and I just feel like I probably would be better with none right now, you know?

Yeah, you know?

Cause it's just like as you get. As it get better, it get worse.

Yeah. But there's something also admirable about a guy that's able to make that work though too. I think if I see that and the guy's able to make it work, that he's able to take care of his wife or ex wife or. I feel like there's almost something a little bit admirable about it.

I struggle every day. I struggle every day. They see it every day I struggle. But, you know, I feel like it's making me a better person. Cause now I like. I feel like the past me didn't know how to treat women. Now that I got a daughter, it made me want to treat women better. And it would happen right when I have two women. So now I'm treating them both like queens, obviously. But it get to a point where, you know, that's another. That's another combo. Look at everybody started listening and.

Yeah, that's another combo, man. Something else, bro.

Definitely take. Take as much time as you need. Because once you get married, it's a rap. You there, It's a rap. My dad just told me he finna propose to his girlfriend on the Dallas date on stage.

And what song you gonna play? A special song for him if she says yes.

I mean, he's the voice on Texas, so I'll probably just play Texas. First off, will you marry me?

Dang. If you got to meet some Aliens. What songs would you play for them, you think? Mm, yeah. Mm.

I'm from Texas. And.

And what about some other artists?

The biggest. The largest. Yeah, I would play that for them. They would like that.

But if they pull up with a big ass, large ass alien, you're gonna have some competition, though.

He gonna like the song, though. He gonna like the song. That's all I know. But I definitely would play. Gotta play some Lil Wayne. I would play.

Yeah, dude, you gotta play some Lil Wayne. We used to live not far from Juvenile and he chased a woman down the street one night in our neighborhood.

Oh, Jesus. We just say she did something wrong.

Oh, I'm assuming she did. Yeah. And we can probably take that out. I don't want to hurt the guy's feelings. I don't know if that's still pending either. What? Yeah, I'm trying to think of what else. Man, you've had so much success this year. Do you start to feel about different goals or you just stay. You just kind of stay in the pocket you're in? Like, what do you feel like? Do you feel a responsibility to keep up with your own success now? Because that's interesting. Once you start to have some success, you almost set the bar for yourself without even realizing it, right? You're just trying to achieve some goals. But then you set a bar kind of.

I mean, like I said, I didn't come in this wanting to be the best rapper ever. I didn't even want to be a rapper. It was just something I had to do, something to take care of my child. And so it's just to the point where it's like, as long as I'm taking care of my child, I'm good. I still don't feel like I'm treating this as the NFL. Cause like I said, I wanted to. I thought I was gonna be a football player. The NFL stands for not for long. So I gave myself five years in this. I tell them every day, man, I can't wait to retire in this rap. And they be like, yeah, you got like, 10 more years. And I'd be like, no, I got two. And they be like, no, I'm like, yeah, I only got two. Cause after that, I'm just. I feel like movies, you know, like, I'm just setting myself up for other things to bring more revenue to my family. When I'm gone, my kids gonna be serious. They ain't gotta do nothing, but it's gonna. Like, I'm gonna have. I'm being done so much.

Like, as Far as music, movies, commercials, voiceovers, whatever, you know what I'm saying? It's gonna make them wanna do something. You know what I'm saying, Man, My dad did all of this. I gotta go do this. I gotta do something to make my own name. I want my kids to want their own name.

Yeah.

So it's like, what? Everything that I'm doing right now, I'm basically doing it to make it hard on them.

I see what you're saying. Because if they're as competitive, if they have that competitive spirit, and I know.

That'S in me because he got passed down from my dad, my brother. It's all. It's just. I know. I notice that's gonna be there. Exactly.

Yeah.

And so when they. When they. When they nice and ready, I just know they go. They gonna put their best foot forward when they gonna figure it out. But if they don't, they got pals of cash to sit on if they don't, you know.

So what about a Christmas album, man? You gonna do something like that for everybody?

Yeah, I did do a Christmas song one time, and I feel like it went crazy. I just dropped it at the wrong time.

When did you drop it, in the summer?

No, it was cold. It was cold. I actually dropped it right around Christmas. It just was earlier in my career, so, like when I had less eyes, you know?

Yeah.

But it's. I think it's over a million something right now. Now that I've become who I've become.

Maybe it could pick up then this year.

Yeah. Yeah, they would have got 1.5 a year ago.

And Would you ever do a mall Santa or something like that, like for children or for charity?

I would. Oh, that's actually a great idea.

That'd be sick, bro.

It's a great idea.

Yeah, dude, if you got to be a mall Santa, that would be pretty good. Yeah. I don't know if we can listen to it or not because we'll have to. It'll get claimed or whatever. What's your show like, man? What's the show like? I might pull up tonight.

You should. You should. Nah, it's more like now. At first, my shows were just like turning a lot of dancing people shaking.

A towel and all that.

Shaking a towel.

There's always that one guy that's just sued the towel guy or whatever, like on the rap stages is that one dude and he just.

Oh, you talking about like a hype man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess Ro is my hype man.

It's good, though. You gotta have him?

Nah. But nice. We're more like put together. Like, I don't know what it is. Me and Ro, we've been performing together since my first ever performance. He was on stage with me, so I don't know, it's just the chemistry is there. We know everything that we done put together, it just happened. It wasn't nothing that we said. Like, we just for the first time did rehearsals before this tour and we done did three tours before. Like my tour, Kevin Gay's tour, Key Glock tour. We never rehearsed nothing. It was just. We went on stage and it just happened.

Wow.

So now we finally rehearsing it. So I just feel like that made it like now he come out on stage in a FedEx uniform. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's crazy. We just put more to it. My. Yeah, yeah. It's just. You should come. I'm gonna come to see a big guy my size move the way I move. And to. You wouldn't even think that it was an hour sit. I do hour sits. And you wouldn't. If I wasn't sweating so bad, you wouldn't even know I was tired. I don't know. It's just kind of like second nature to us down there. We always. We were football players, so we didn't always remember the lights, you know what I'm saying? So I don't know that just. It just make you want to put on more of a show.

Do you have some ballads in there too? Some love songs like that?

I guess I used to, but now like. So the Take Care tour is basically. I mean, it's off of the album, you know, it's based off the album. And my album wasn't more of a. It wasn't a turn up album. It wasn't a For the women album. It was just me speaking on me in this industry, you know, speaking on me in the now. And so, like, now I feel like my shows are more like personal. Like a lot of people that come to my shows now, they come in because they felt the same way.

They feel the same way.

Exactly.

And so, like, I did it myself. I've been doubted and I still believed enough in myself to get things.

Exactly. So now I speak, like, now I perform with what the thing called that you set the mic on mic stand. Yeah, my fault. I had a brain fart. My fault. But yeah, so now I come out mike stand. Like, I show you my intro. Now you be like, okay, yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy. If you can pull my Instagram up. You actually can see it.

Yeah, let's pull it up. And I'm gonna come see tonight, man.

Yeah. Make sure y'all follow me at begins to plug. Oh, yeah.

Wow, bro. That's so exciting, man. It's really awesome to see all your. To see. Just. You have so many neat opportunities.

That first one right there. There you go. Shout out to my cameraman, Trey Hoes, man. Wow. We got to hit the blow in the building.

I should have rapped, bro. Damn. I should have.

He said he should have rapped. That's crazy.

I should have got in. I had a little bit of a chance, but I didn't.

But, hey, it happens. It was. If you ask me, this is the easiest thing I've ever done in my life. No, Cap, if it wasn't for all the extra stuff that come with it, this is the easiest money I've ever made in my life. Cause I don't. It's different when you gotta lie and make up stuff. Cause now that's a whole nother process you gotta do.

Yeah.

But when you just talking about what you've done, what you've went through, like, that's just coming out. That's coming off my head. I don't gotta think, oh, what would sound like? You know what I'm saying? I don't have to do that.

Well, if you're staying true to your own life, then you don't have to manipulate anything.

Exactly. And it's just so much easier. You can go in the studio. You can. You basically writing a story about yourself.

Yeah, it's easy, man. That's a great. It's interesting. I think people can understand what you're talking about, too. They can. They can. You just communicate so well that I think it just. It reaches a lot of people, you know? X. Congrats on all the success, man.

Appreciate you being here.

Yeah, congrats on the tour.

Album out now, man. Y'all make sure I keep running that. Take care of. We got. We only three days in the tour. We still got 29 more dates.

And a lot of these are sold out by now.

Yeah. Yes. A lot of these are sold out. So y'all try to get in where y'all can fit in, huh? Oh, definitely get those meet and greets.

Oh, do people. Yeah. How do you guys do that after the shows?

I try to do them before the show because after I'm all sweaty and.

Yeah.

So I like to do it before, but I don't know. I also feel like after, it's more like genuine. You know what I'm saying? Before, I feel like it's me, it's just kind of like trying to get it. And this is coming from. This is me being honest about me.

Yeah.

Before, it's kind of just feel like it's like I'm going through the, like, oh, sound check, then meet and greet. But after the show, it's like, it's just more genuine. Cause you tired and it's just the real you now.

Right? You've had the show already.

Exactly.

And they've gotten to see it, too.

Exactly, exactly. So it's like whenever they come up, like, I had a guy, a grown man last night walk up on me and tell me, bro, I love you. I appreciate you because of what you got going. You helped me. I love you. Told me you love me twice, you know, so it's like, that's real love. Before, if we would have did the meet and greet before, he wouldn't have went through the show.

He said, I might love you.

Yeah, yeah. Hey, great job. If you got. But he listened to the show. He listened to the lyrics, and, yeah.

After that, the energy's been there. There's been that connection. I think a lot of people, you don't think about it from their perspective, though. They're just excited to get to see you. Some people, it's like you want to hear their music, but also I think you just want to be in the same building as them, and I think that's some of the energy that you have. I think some people, it's just their song. Yeah. I want to go listen for their songs. I don't know if I really have a sense of them as a person, but to me, it feels like. And it's just my thoughts that there's something else where people, like, I also want to be in the same room as him. I just, you know, I feel like it's.

And it's different when you got, like, when you're actual. Like, when you genuine, like, it's you humble. It's, you know, it's just you. It's actually you. It's not.

No, right.

You know, saying when you just taking a picture, getting them out the way. No, you enjoyed the show. How did you like the show? What was your favorite part of the show? Appreciate you coming out, man. People let it. They make them feel like you're there, a person and you're a person. You know, I'm saying, when you taking the picture and moving them on out the way or not even that. Just make it seem like you're a robot. Like you. The machine is running you.

Oh, yeah. And these days, that's some of the best artists is just everything that's outside of the machine. The machine's dirty, man.

That's why I feel like everything that.

We doing right now is you doing it yourself.

Historic. It's all us. We're doing it completely independent.

Who's your team? I mean, I know a lot of them right here, but just.

Okay, so I got a distribution deal through United Masters.

Okay.

So they don't do nothing but distribute my music. I mean, they gave me a small marketing budget. You know what I'm saying? Nothing too major. Like a major label. They pay for everything, you know, like this tour, I paid for out of my pocket. Like the bus. $200,000 on the bus.

I know, dude, that bus is damn expensive. I take the whole bus.

Wait. Yeah.

Greyhound was 60. Is $60 to get to Rochester.

That's smart.

Or FedEx. You mail yourself overnight.

Not different, man. I don't know. But I just feel like. I don't know. I'm kind of glad we did the bus, though, because, you know, it's just.

No, you have to do it.

Yeah.

You have to. It's hard to start to spend that money on yourself. Like, we tour with comedy. We just got back from Montana or some different places, but it's like you just. Because at a certain point, you're investing this in your own. You have to be comfortable. You can't show up like you're, like, rattled, you know, it's like. Because you have to put the show on.

No, you're right. You're right.

Not trying to preach at you. I just. I tried to nickel and dime. We fucking was on motorbikes one time. We was on all kind of shit. Trying to save money, man. We had a camper. We had all kind of shit now.

Yeah. I mean, this was cheaper than flying everybody everywhere. So.

Yeah.

And we just. I just. I went through the Sprinter experience and I just couldn't do that again. It's hard, man.

Yeah. We did all that van Sprinter.

Yeah.

And then finally, you just have to make sure you're comfortable enough to show up.

Yeah.

Wow. Well, what a journey. Big ass. Thanks for just letting us enjoy your music, man. I love. Yeah. Just how humble you are, man. And just. Yeah. People to people, man. That's all. That's all we all are really doing. You know, take care, tour and you can get the album you get. You still have. If it's sold out. There may still be meet and greet tickets available, for sure. And I know you're just going to keep adding more dates, man. You're going to be a busy man.

Yes, sir. We working. We working. Yeah.

I'm glad I got to catch you today, man.

Yes, sir. I appreciate you for having me. All right.

Blessings.

Now I'm just falling on the breeze? And I feel I'm falling Like these leaves? I must be cornerstone? Oh? But when I reach that ground? I'll share this piece of my life found? I can feel it in my bones? But it's gonna take a little.