Transcript of #688 - Candace Owens

She's an investigator, a media personality, and a seeker of truth. Her namesake show on YouTube is immensely popular. Um, she's here. She's pregnant with her 5th child. Uh, she's my friend. I'm grateful for our time with today's guest, Miss Candace Owens.

Shine on me and I will find a song. I will sing it.

Come on. You look good. Do I look okay? Yeah, I think so. I mean, I don't want to hit that, but you can't say no.

You can't say the other thing.

Well, I can't.

Yeah, you couldn't be like, no, you don't look good, and people will be like, wow, yeah, that was aggressive.

Well, you can't also be like, yeah, you look good. Like, it's like when someone is pregnant, it's a weird time to associate with them sometimes because it feels like, well, yeah, how do they look? You know, what's going on? And what do you say that's supportive, but what do you also Like, 'cause you also have to shut down any like sort of like, you know, you can't be flirtatious. Not that I'd be flirtatious 'cause I know, so I don't mean like that, but it's like any energy that's like—

Would you normally have that energy towards someone that was pregnant?

No, I don't think so.

All right.

I think, I don't know what I'm talking about. Let's have her check your makeup. Does she look okay for you?

Just so you know, the first thing you said to me when you walked in the door for dinner, I don't know how, a couple months ago, you were like, I forgot you were pregnant, you weirdo.

Did I really?

Yeah, that's your pregnancy greeting.

Oh, there we go.

It works.

It actually does kind of work.

Yeah, that's a good one.

Well, I remember, actually, this is true. I walked into your kitchen. This was like maybe like a month, a couple weeks ago. And there was some lady from behind who was like making something on the counter or something. And I was like, oh dang, they got a little thickie in here. They got a little lady from Atlanta working over here. And then I didn't, I forgot you were pregnant and you turned around.

And it was me? I didn't even hear you say that. I'm a little—

No, I didn't say it out loud. No, I don't mean that.

You said it in your head.

Yeah, I said, oh dang, they got a little—

And now you said it out loud.

Dang.

Dang.

But I meant like they got a little shawty working in here.

Yeah.

Or they had a woman that was just a little more Rubenesque.

Yeah, that's a good word.

You know?

Rubenesque.

That's what I meant. They had a woman that's a little more Rubenesque. And I was like, oh dang, they got a little mommy working in here.

A little mommy.

And then there we are.

I know.

And I was right.

I know, I'm here 'cause I feel like this is gonna be good luck and then I'll have the baby. 'Cause last time I did your podcast, I feel like the baby came right after.

Really?

I did you and I did Tim Dillon, and then the baby came. So now I think it's like a ritual. I'm gonna do you, and then I'm gonna do Tim Dillon, and then the baby will come.

Ooh.

Yeah.

Yeah. Well, look, yeah, I hope we're good luck somehow. I think if the baby hears us talking, it's like, I gotta get out there and help this lady. You know, things are— things have gone downhill.

Oh my God. I can't believe I'm about to have the 5th.

I know, dude.

It's crazy. I've been in a permanent state of pregnancy. I don't think people respect that enough. Like, I'm basically a queen ant.

You do not act like someone who's pregnant. I'll say that. That's what I think. That's part of it to me anyway. You may act like that around other folks, but I think I never get this kind of like, I, you know, like you're like crawling across the floor, like barely getting to—

I know, but that's the problem. I'm gonna start doing that because I feel like people will have to be nicer to me if I start pretending I'm in a state, you know?

Yeah.

People are so mean on the internet.

Oh, are they?

And I feel like if I'm just— of course they're so mean.

Oh yeah, what am I talking about?

I feel like if I—

That's why I'm not good at asking people questions. People always like, dude, you ask the worst.

It's a lovely place, the internet. And I feel like, I'm like, how are you doing this to me? I'm so pregnant right now. But I feel like if I lean into the pregnancy and I pretend to be more miserable and like I can't do it, then people will have to be nice. So I'm gonna— for these next 3 weeks.

Oh.

A little bit more pathetic.

Ooh, yeah. Because you don't do pathetic well.

I know.

You don't do it. You're just still going and cruising. You forget that you're pregnant, where some people kind of lead with the pregnancy, you know?

Mm-hmm.

But yes, people are rude. Yeah, people are like, oh, that's not even a baby. That's a data center, some people have said.

What?

That she's got. Yeah, like—

Wait, I haven't seen this part of the internet. Now you have to tell me.

No, I saw somebody. It's like, dude, she's not even pregnant. She's just building a data center. they're building a data center in her womb or whatever. Just like crazy people.

What?

Yeah.

I actually feel like I go down every rabbit hole, but I have not gone down the rabbit hole where there are data centers in your womb.

It's new stuff, Candace. They're doing new stuff. Look, that's when we start to be out of touch. That's when you're like, oh, I can't even—

I can't follow this.

I'm out of touch.

I know there are some conspiracies I have to say, and I love conspiracies, like every rabbit hole.

Mm-hmm.

You know, I'm down there, but there are some where I'm just like, how did you get here? And that would probably be one where I'm like, what do you mean I'm carrying a data center in my womb?

Yeah, it's just a router for the government or people are like, she's— yeah, she's just— she's like transporting data for Russia. Like, people will say all kinds of stuff. Like, she's like—

What website are you on?

She's a data mule or whatever. These aren't even kids. It's just like, you know.

It's so crazy. I don't think I've ever seen that one. I've seen people who say that I'm not pregnant and they're not my kids and stuff like that.

Oh, really?

I think that happens because I never post them. Everyone's doing the thing where they post their kids and their kids are turned into a product and then they're taking these impossible family pictures. They're impossible. Once you have a certain amount of kids, you can't get the nice, perfect family shot. And I think because I don't give them enough of the personal life, it kind of makes them a bit fantastical. So they sort of write the myth, the mythology of the kids. They don't really know what they look like. They don't know anything about my kids.

Do you do that on purpose?

Yeah, for sure. I mean, everybody— I'm not judging people's style or whatever, but I personally just feel like that's a big decision to make for your kid. And it's actually— Skyler was showing me— was it you showing me the clip yesterday of like somebody— it was obviously a comedic sketch, but it was just like a kid walking around the mall with his parents and random strangers are like, happy 4th birthday! And like saying their name and know all these random facts like, hope you did good at the soccer game. And the 4-year-old's like looking up at them like, how do you know this information?

Oh.

And that's kind of my mentality where it's just— Strangers knowing a lot about your children and being able to recognize them and know them. I feel like that's a lot for us that we just— it's not, I think, something that we want to do.

It's probably not healthy. Yeah, but that— I never said— I haven't seen that bit. Can you— do you have it, Trevin? Do you see that?

Yeah, it's, it's actually really interesting. And I was like, I couldn't articulate how I felt about it, but when I saw the clip, I was, I was like, this is exactly how I feel about kids on the internet. Oh yeah, that's it. That was fast.

Hi, Ava.

Do you know that man?

Where would she know him from?

Happy birthday, Ava!

8 already?

Look like you're at a ball with your friends. Ah, I see you're back playing football Thursdays, Ava.

Hope your dad picks you up on time for once.

That's great.

Right?

Anytime you share their life online, you risk sharing their personal data with the world.

That is pretty true.

That's kind of how I feel about it.

Yeah.

It's just kind of a lot of information, and kids don't understand it. My kids don't even understand what I do.

Yeah.

And just now Georgie's starting to, like, ask questions when people come up to me and ask for a picture. And he's like, how do you know that person? And I just say, oh, it was a friend from school or, you know, whatever. And don't really address it because I don't need to right now at his age. But yeah, I kind of wanna protect that for a little bit. The— and we don't know how it's gonna end, especially when you see people whose kids are a part of the product. You know what I'm saying?

Oh yeah.

And they get to the age and they're part of the product. I'm sure in their minds they're like, well, we're making a living off of this, so it's good for our kids. We're making money. But I also do think about how is it shaping their minds? Do they become more attention-seeking? Are they already thinking, do I have likes? How many people like this? Am I reading the comments? Oh, you don't know. So I don't think we know the effects of how kids that are being raised on the internet— I was saying we pioneered it. Like, we did not have the internet, so we were lucky. Our parents had a beeper. And then we were—

Yeah, when it went off, it meant your dad was using usually.

And that was it. Actually, my dad was just working at the hospital. But, you know. Oh, he was? Yeah. Different strokes for different folks.

Different folks. Yeah.

Maggie had to get into the— get in for a shift.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, different, yeah, different things, but for sure. Yeah. I can't even fathom like, and how things are gonna affect us. It's like, man, it's really scary to think of how some of these things are gonna affect us.

Yeah.

And we don't know.

Yeah. And I feel like the kids that have the most access to it, just looking at the Hollywood demonstration, I mean, those kids are not, they're not looking their best. They don't look tip-top. A lot of their kids are just going through a lot right now. And you feel bad. I mean, you feel really bad for them. 'Cause they grew up with a lot of attention. So I don't think it's good to replicate it and get kids on the internet. But I mean—

It does almost start to seem like a disease in a way. Like, I think for some of those people, like, even if you look at Britney Spears, she's out here, like, she's out there spinning with those knives and shit in front of her fireplace all the time. Like, what's going on? And everybody's just like, oh, love your first album. Like, what are you talking about? This lady's not doing good.

No, no. Britney Spears, I feel so bad for because obviously I grew up with Britney Spears. You had to pick a side. Yeah, look at this. And we act, but this gets It's normal.

Sorry to interrupt you, Candace, but this starts to get normal. Oh yeah, she just—

Who normalized that?

She's just gonna julienne something in a few minutes, and so she's just getting ready. She's obviously got a new job as a sous chef or whatever, and the dogs are begging for help. There's one video where somebody decodes the dogs as shapes they're making. They're trying to make letters spelling out help in the background.

Oh, I feel so bad for her because she is an example of what Like, she probably never needed to go into the conservatorship, and then she never really came out of it because they were force-drugging her. They were— you can't come back from lithium.

Like, they— Is that true?

Yeah.

They burned—

they burned her brain. Like, it's like melted her brain with lithium. It's crazy what they did to her. And honestly, people should be in prison. They should absolutely be in prison. And I feel like it's a part of the broader story that a lot of artists were trying to tell, like from Michael Jackson to Kanye to Britney Spears. Like, some— Justin Bieber even was talking, you know, what's actually manifesting in Hollywood. Hollywood. And some of these people did not survive it. I mean, Michael Jackson didn't survive it. I don't think Britney Spears is ever going to be the Britney Spears that we grew up with, which is super sad because I— she— I think she was a sweet girl and she— they just used her. I mean, the industry is— we're now learning how disgusting Hollywood is. But I think Justin Bieber made it out, and I think Kanye made it out, gratefully. Uh, but yeah, I think she went through a lot of dark stuff. And even that though, I wouldn't even let my kids be in a commercial now that I'm an adult. Like, obviously when I was young, I'm like, this is so cool.

Like, these are all these teeny bopper stars and NSYNC and Backstreet Boys or whatever it was. But now that we're adults, I just can't imagine giving my children to like the Mickey Mouse Club and letting them— it's weird.

Mm-hmm.

In retrospect, it's weird. So you wonder who were the adults that were in charge? Because I was the same age as these people. It was normal. You guys were adults.

Let's look up this lithium thing really quick. Let me see. She testified that she was immediately placed on lithium.

Lithium.

In her June 2021 address to a Los Angeles court, Britney Spears stated she was immediately placed on lithium, a potent medication typically used for bipolar disorder or severe depression. She described the side effects as making her feel drunk and numb, stating that it impaired her ability to converse or stand up for herself.

That's kind of— She was on it for years. So you should— if you look into some of the scientific studies on what lithium does to your brain over that amount of time, that's why I say it's not something that you can just bounce back from. I would pray that she could, but that's definitely what's going on. She was drugged against her will.

Wow.

That's so scary, the concept of being drugged against your will. And then for a judge to say this can just keep happening permanently for— how many years was she in the conservatorship? And everyone's like, it's for the best. And when you actually reflect on what she was going through, she probably just needed to take a break. I don't know, go to a secluded island where there's no paparazzi, take some rest. You know, she was basically begging people to leave her alone and nobody would.

Under her legal conservatorship for 13 years and 9 months. God.

13 years of your life where you have to—

But who was in charge of that?

Well—

Was it a hodgepodge of people, apparently?

I think it was that woman who needs to be looked into for sure, who was working with Britney Spears's father. Taylor is the name I'm thinking of, because there's a lot about that woman. She's another Calvary Chapel— Lou Taylor.

Lou Taylor.

Lou Taylor. Yeah, I haven't gotten too deep into the Lou Taylor conspiracies, but there's definitely something there about— and it's interesting because you know who I spoke to? This is one of the craziest stories that came together. But basically, Russell Brand introduced me via text to Courtney Love a few years ago.

Mm-hmm.

And she sent me all of this stuff. She was just— it was like a ton of messages, ton of messages. And at the time, I didn't know what she was speaking about, 'cause I didn't grow up in Hollywood. And she was basically explaining to me that there was sort of a mafia that when they want your publishing rights, they'll go after you. They never want people to have their own publishing rights. So that's what Michael Jackson was fighting Sony. He wanted it. He was winning, by the way. He owned the Beatles catalog. So then what they do is they send out mafia press hits against you. It's kind of like what I'm going through right now, but it's just kind of failing because we live in a different time. But they essentially will then try to present you as a drug addict, and then they'll follow you and have paparazzi everywhere you go. And so maybe you're just doing this, and they're like, Theo's in a crisis.

He has pink eye or whatever.

Yeah, he's on a bender.

He's been going down on strangers or whatever.

Right, exactly. Exactly. And so imagine every single day, every— you can't walk out of this room and there's just people that are waiting there. And then these people basically have a mental breakdown.

You start to go crazy. You start to go crazy.

What happened to Kanye? Yeah. They keep calling you crazy, calling you crazy, calling you crazy.

So you think it's a— that whole thing is a design thing?

Well, when she said it and she was talking about, she was like, you gotta look into the Mormon Mafia. She's like, Lou Taylor. And she said a bunch of stuff, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly. I'm recapping a conversation. So the conversation itself is not allegedly. And she was like, but this is a publishing rights mafia. And they, you know, she—

I could see it. It's ownership.

She was talking to me about Kurt Cobain and like, it's all about ownership. She's like, you are not allowed to own anything.

No.

So then when you start to examine these cases independently of Michael Jackson, Kanye West, I haven't looked too much into Britney Spears, but I should, 'cause you know me, I gotta go down every rabbit hole. Justin Bieber.

Oh yeah. You're the chocolate rabbit.

Yeah. I'm the chocolate rabbit. I gotta go down every rabbit hole.

I mean, you've gotta.

Yeah. I will eventually.

You give the Easter a run for its money.

Yeah. For real.

You're probably America's most popular rabbit.

I'm genuinely down every single rabbit hole. I can't stop. Like, when people give me a tip and I'm like, I kept chasing, chasing. But, uh, yeah, Britney Spears and then Justin Bieber even recently, where they were really hounding and trying to make us think he was having a mental break. What was he trying to do? Just get out of his contracts.

Yeah.

He just wanted to go back to being the kid on YouTube with his— and that's what he's doing now. And it's so cool that he's just, all I need is my guitar and my voice. I don't, He sold his whole catalog. He just wanted out.

Wow.

So it's cool.

Yeah, that is an interesting rabbit hole because it is— I think people don't realize sometimes, and I believe that it is this mafia in Hollywood. It's like the publicists, it's all this kind of teeter-totter where they're just like, one is like, you do this and then we'll do that. And then it's all this system, right? It's like a huge piece of racketeering going on.

It is. And it's also book publishing rights and podcasts now. It's obviously a new space or whatever, but they're constantly like worried about who's going to actually own this catalog when you're gone. Because once they own it, they also can delete it, they can edit it. There's so many things that they can do with your music.

Well, music being used to influence things too, like that's another thing. It's just like, okay, well then we have these influential tools to be able to kind of put them into the masses in certain ways at certain times. I was— yeah, because Britney, I mean, it's just like, I mean, they turned her into damn Donatello out there, the frickin Ninja Turtle. I mean, she's out here every other week, she has a different weapon, she's spinning around.

Yeah, it's sad. It's so sad when you If you go back and watch her—

She's like a damn Slap Chop over there.

No, it's crazy.

Yeah, they turned her into a damn Smeg blender or whatever.

But you know what? And the whole thing was like, we had to do this to protect her. We had to put her in conservatorship because she was spending her money. It's her money. Genuinely, if you make $10 million and you wanna irresponsibly spend it all, that's actually kind of your right. You don't need to put somebody in a conservatorship to— you have a right to go broke. Is anybody put in a conservatorship when they lose all their money in Vegas?

Or if you get— yeah, that's a good point.

It's your money.

You earned it.

You have a right to lose it. What are you talking about? Judge decides you're not responsible enough. Same thing with Wendy Williams. I don't know what's going on with that, but she's been— somebody took her— it's her bank. It was kind of scary. I was like, we need to go back to a cash society because could you imagine your bank calling and being like, your money is mine? Because that's what happened to Wendy Williams.

Well, that's what happened to Kanye too, wasn't it? Didn't his bank freeze?

He got debanked.

He got debanked. How do you even get that?

They send you a letter and they're like, sorry, we don't like your views. That made, that made me go local. I did. Like, I saw what happened. It was wild. Like, how are you sending letters? Just like, hey Theo, I saw episode 279 and we're debanking you. Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm like, okay, the banks have got too much power.

Yeah, man. You lost your ATM privileges for this week. That's how it'll be.

For this past weekend.

Yeah. Yeah. For this past weekend, you're cooked.

So when I started seeing that, I was like, okay. So we pulled out of the, the big banks and, and sort of went local. Going local for everything is better. I 10 out of 10 would recommend. Everyone goes local for their food, for their banking. Knowing who these people are as human beings, I think really matters. And we— who was it that got debanked? And it kind of sent a chill up our spine and we were like, let's just leave them before they leave us because I'm not considered to be uncontroversial. So if we're heading in that direction, that's just China though. Credit score system. I feel like that's where we're treading. If you debank someone based on an opinion or a belief, that's effectively a credit score system.

So like almost a social credit score. Social credit score. Yeah, that's like that Black Mirror episode that was— do you remember that one? That was so good.

Black Mirror freaked me out.

Really?

I think it's why I'm so paranoid about a lot of this stuff, even what we're talking about with kids on technology, because I watched every episode of Black Mirror.

And Black people even got pissed about it too, remember? They're like, oh, a mirror is fine, but it's a Black mirror and shit's all fucked up.

I didn't even remember that talking point.

There was a lot of people online like that. Oh, everything Everything's fine with a regular mirror, but people pull up with a Black Mirror and now shit's going bad.

Yeah, I think they just meant the screens are black.

I know, I know.

That's hilarious. I'm sure that— because I feel like that kind of came out when there was a lot of that going on. People were looking to be offended. But that was— that episode was scary.

Oh, the best. And she had to, like, be nice to somebody and then this, and then her score was down, and then that's how she felt about herself. That's the scariest part is when the score goes down. Yeah, Black Mirror becomes reality with China's social scoring. What's the episode called? Can you get me that? Nosedive, it's called.

Yes.

Black Mirror Wikipedia. That was so good.

Are we far from that though?

I think we're— we're— I think we are literally in it and we just don't know.

We are obviously in it.

That's what I think.

1,000%. And that's— they— that's when you see these like mobs descend. And that's what cancel culture is all about. That's actually trying to develop a social credit score. Like, you can't perform in this arena because you said this. You can't do this. You can't do that. You can't partake in society because we disagree with you. And then it gets even scarier because at least she had minor offenses in the episode, if I remember correctly. Like, it could be anything, who you were hanging out with. But now it's even scarier because you can get canceled for doing the right thing. Like, they can dip your credit score for doing— social credit score for doing the right thing. Like—

Like speaking up about something. Like, if somebody speaks up, then they can—

About Gaza.

Right.

And then suddenly you can't play the stadium like we just saw last week.

Yeah.

So think about that, where it's basically saying you have to be a bad person to partake in society. And I think that's what we've been going through kind of for like the last 3 years.

Yeah.

I mean, at least I have. I don't know if that's a personal story, but—

Well, and we could get into some of it. I mean, and it, well, I do, it's tricky. And so you have to think like, well, one is like, yeah, I think I've even mentioned this to you before. It's like, like you have to start to find new ways to put your money certain places. That's the only thing to affect change. It's like, where do you, where do you put your money? Right. we have to find almost new systems of everything, right? You have to find a whole new way, a whole new place to put your money. Because as long as they, kind of these larger bodies, these bigger entities, BlackRock, these bigger things own everything, and we keep having to pay them for everything, it's almost like you have to create this new capitalism or go back to a smaller structure or something. I don't know.

Like when you're just trading with your neighbors.

Yeah.

Yeah. I should have brought you over some lettuce today or some tomatoes.

Yeah.

And we could just trade it.

Oh yeah, I could trade you. Yeah, I think I have some fresh, uh, I think I have some fresh basil or something, like in a something that a woman gave me when she left me or whatever. But I do have, um, yeah, I think I have some basil I could trade you for that data center you've got in your— Sorry, can I just—

I'm very nosy. Can I just prod? A woman left you some basil? Can I just hear?

Just like a little— I wish things had worked out. A little plant pot with a little basil in it.

A little thing like that. Like a breakup? Basil.

Yeah, Breakup Basil.

That's fantastic.

Dude, that's a great idea.

That's fantastic. I love this girl. Actually, I think I met this girl.

Breakup Basil.

Did I meet her?

Oh no, you didn't. That was just a friend.

Okay.

Yeah, that came to the, uh—

Yeah, that's okay.

Where'd we go to though?

The farmer's market.

Farmer's market.

And she was looking for, uh—

She was looking for something. She wasn't looking for me, I know that. Yeah, I walked around with her about 2 hours Didn't get a sense of that. No, but that was just my friend. That was someone I was trying to see if it could be like a coworker.

Yeah. I like Breakup Basil. That's sweet.

That Breakup Basil.

Bye.

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Mm-hmm.

I think that's like the, because we've always operated under, like the world has always operated under dark systems, right?

Mm-hmm.

It always has, right?

Yeah.

Yeah. And so that's, yeah, I mean, I love seeing your kids. Your kids are freaking hilarious.

They love you.

They are.

They all love you. You walk through the door, They just light up. They just—

Dude, I freaking light up.

Yeah. You have to have kids 'cause you're just meant to be a dad.

They are awesome. Well, thank you.

They're just like—

they're so funny.

They're very funny.

They're very entertaining. They're smart.

And they're very confident, our kids. So they'll just kind of go right up to you and speak to you.

Oh, that's a good point.

And I think that is partially because we abstain from the technology and you just need to go actually communicate and speak and—

Oh yeah.

Obviously I'm not, one that's ever at a loss for words. So I'm overcommunicative with them about everything, but they are very funny.

They're just— They're very funny.

Yeah. They just adore you.

Oh, that's cool. Yeah. I'll, I'll tell other people, they'll be like, oh yeah, Candace. I'll be like, dude, she has the best kids. And they're like, dude, why are you talking about this lady's kids, bro? Chill. I'm like, they're my friends. Okay.

In your defense, they are your friends. They absolutely love you so much.

That's a good point.

It is part of the reason. You play with them. I mean, that's why I was like, you have to be a dad because you, you're You just— you just—

they're fun.

The vibes are just there. You're just meant to be a dad. You gotta have a lot of kids. I know you'd be great with boys too, because I have so many boys and the energy of boys is just on another level.

I gotta get a batch going. Yeah, something's gonna happen. I can feel it. It's in the— I can feel it in the air. Just—

I get people that hit me up the whole time on Instagram, like trying to slide into your DMs.

Really?

Yeah, it's crazy.

Well, shoot the slides.

No, there's a lot of people that are trying to date you all over the internet. Like, they Girls love you.

What the heck? Where are they?

There's a lot of them. I get like text messages, I get Instagram stuff. They are just all about you right now.

God.

You're in your prime. You gotta go out there.

I gotta get out there, man.

Yeah, you gotta find your— you gotta get out there.

Shit, I was gonna take a nap later. I'm not now. I'm fucking getting on my bike. I'm gonna fricking bike around town a little bit. I just got a new 8-speed.

Yeah.

It was supposed to be a 10-speed, but it's from China that they— so it's like, fuck, you lose 2 speeds in the mail or whatever. It's just like, that's where, you know, these trucks Trump tariffs or whatever. It's like you don't even get all 10 speeds.

We can't get anything in this economy right now.

Yeah. Your kids are funny though, dude. Yeah. And I'm like, what did one of my buddies say? I was like, oh yeah, she's got the best kids. And they're like, oh, do they ever play like pin the tail on whoever killed Charlie Kirk?

They're naturally exploring things. Investigative.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They're just walking around with like a little magnifying glass. Let me see. your fingerprints.

It's what— it is interesting to see which qualities the kids get. You just never know what you're going to get. I don't know, it's just— that's the interesting thing about kids. It's the same 2 humans can just create a different kid. You just would expect it's just going to be— you're dropping the same kid over and over, but they're just all so different. That's what's fascinating.

When do you start to notice, like, what the difference is?

Right away, in the womb.

Really?

This one coming, Nuh-uh. He's out of control.

Oh my God.

He's out of control.

Yeah. What is it? And are you noticing something? Is it 'cause like you're— like, have you been having like a special sauce or something? Like, are you doing certain condiments or something that could be flaring him up?

No, he just— they are who they are in the womb. And I've been right about all their personalities. Louise, we could not get a picture of. She was sleeping throughout the whole thing. She, you know, she kind of runs the place. She's tricky. She knows what's going on. And then her brothers are all different. And Maxi was the chillest in the womb.

He's pretty gentle kind of in a weird way.

Yeah, he's like sweet. You know, he's so sweet. And he's like, he's my sweet kid. He was sweet in the womb.

Like, he'll be excited if you're gonna like throw him on the couch, but he also wants to do it very softly and like kind of like make sure it's gonna be in a comfortable manner.

Yes, exactly. That's exactly Maxi.

It's pretty cool.

Unless Georgie, and they all wanna be like Georgie. Georgie's just the natural leader of the kids and he loves rules. I mean, every single one of my appointments and the ultrasound, They'd be like, look up. He'd be like— They're like, man, this person really loves a— this little guy really loves a rule.

Oh, wait, he could hear them in the ultrasound?

No, but it felt like it because he was just— because they're trying to get certain shots during an ultrasound. So they want to check their spine, heart, whatever it is. And sometimes you just can't get a picture. Louise, forget it. She just was not here for it. She never let them do anything. She's in her own world. But Georgie was just on the money. He hit every single mark in terms of, here's the range. He is perfect, perfect, perfect for height, length, width, whatever. And that's how he is. Georgie is just the— it's all about the rules. You tell him a rule, it will be followed. So you gotta be careful if you tell him a rule, because then if you catch yourself outside of the bounds of the rules—

The rules come back.

The rules come back. I mean, rules aren't even rules. He'll tell me his dad's gone for 2 days, and he'll just be like, Daddy doesn't like when that lamp's on. I'm a grown woman. I can turn this lamp on when your dad's not here. Dad doesn't like this. So he's his— I always say he's George's mini. It's really sweet.

Oh, that's cute.

That's what's fun. So you gotta get yourself a litter. I can find you a girl. What's your type? I feel like I know your type.

I can get a freakin'— I think I can get a— it's just been like a little bit tricky.

Because now you have exposure?

I don't know. I don't try to date like fancy girls really. Like, you know, like what's my type? Let me think. I don't know. I mean, a woman for sure. And Good woman.

Kind eyes. Glad we clarified that.

Kind eyes. Has to be able to be a good mom. That's going to be— that's pretty paramount.

Okay. When you say kind eyes, give me an example of someone who has not kind eyes.

Hmm. Well, we both know what example I'm going to use.

She wasn't setting that up.

I mean, we both know.

She who must not be named.

She who must not be named. Do you think she's a Halloween costume of a woman?

Yeah, it's so funny because I wasn't going in that direction, and as soon as it came out, it's like, that was so crazy. Maybe I should have— the fact that the whole world knows who we're talking about and who cannot be named.

Everybody's fucking everything. Everything's insane, dude. The world has gone insane, and it's a perfect time for Halloween too.

It is.

Because if we're already living it, people are like, what do you mean it's Halloween? It's fucking Halloween every day.

Every day. Every single day you're going, what is going on? I just want some director to yell cut.

I know.

Like, I hope we are living in a matrix and the director can just like yell cut.

Yeah. And then they just give you— and it all shuts down, you know? Like, your wife's like, all right, I gotta get— I'm out. Yeah, you know, she's like, gotta be home in 10 minutes. You're like, where's your home? Like, it all shuts down like Truman Show. Like, it just—

Yeah, that'd be kind of nice. I'd be okay with it if they were just kidding the whole last year. We're just running this experiment, you know? We're just evil billionaires and we're running experiment. Everything's chill. Because the other alternative is terrifying, if this is all real. And you know what it is? We're just kind of of getting to a point now where we know they're lying, you know what I'm saying? And they're still doing it. So we just go, where is this gonna go? We know you're full of it. We know you're lying.

It's—

you can't gaslight to this extreme and the whole world is aware of it and—

And not have something happen.

Yes.

But what is it gonna be?

At some inflection point.

Right. Well, Netanyahu's up there yesterday, like, he's talking about Hasan Pikerov, you know, he's talking about, like, people on the internet, like, you're on the— like, it just— yeah, it's all become—

Dude, you just committed genocide in broad daylight.

Yeah.

And now you're at the White House, like, lecturing us about what's right and what's wrong and what laws need to be passed. This is wild. This is a wild update right now.

It's a wild update.

It's a wild update. And they're like, Macklemore, get out of the stadium.

Yeah.

Bibi, come to the White House.

Yeah, come to the White House. This is like Mordor 17. 1912, the update, or something like— it's a crazy— like, this is a crazy update. It is.

Maybe that's what it is. It's just like an iOS update right now.

I think you're right.

And there's some bugs that need to be fixed.

Yeah. And then, yeah, who's running around his own Starlink? This is the Starlink. Uh, the bed, the children dead. I have— he can't even smile. That's the scariest thing about that guy, the way he lies.

And he— I don't— he can't be human. I don't think he's a human.

I don't think he is either. If he is a human, I think that's the saddest thing about him is that human people are like, how could something like this happen? One of us be like this? Yeah, but then so he must not be. He must be some aberration.

Or maybe because I never looked into it, but I, I could believe automatically the reptile thing because I'm just like, that must be a reptile. Like, that's just because a snake of some description. Yeah, that I don't know is wearing a costume because there's no way you can be this person But what's scarier than him, 'cause we can just accept he's evil and insane and deranged and has never been told no in his life, but then it's the people that we kind of thought were human who then just rally around him. People that we worked with, our colleagues, maybe podcasts we listened to. And we just, maybe in the back of our mind, we're like, okay, obviously, if push comes to shove, this person, despite our disagreements, if a whole genocide happens, or a Holocaust happens, this person's obviously gonna be on the good side. And then you're going, oh, no. Wait, what's happening? Now I have to realize that there's all these other people who are trying to convince me this is okay. And then you go, how long have these people been walking amongst us? These are like the White Walkers in Game of Thrones.

Like, there was something— we didn't even know. They were being transformed. They're just like— now they're all marching, and it's a terrible season finale. Even Game of Thrones didn't know what to do. They hit the inflection point.

Yeah, they really did.

Just peaced out.

Like, oh, shit, we kind of started this. Don't even know how to end it.

It's a terrible ending.

Yeah, yeah, dude. But it is at this point where it's like, now the White Walkers are walking, and they've just been walking for so long. Like, when do we stop walking? What do we even do?

It's just 7 seasons of us walking.

I know.

And we know it's bad and it's dreadful, but they didn't really know how to end it. So—

I think that's what— yeah, that's what's going on here. It's just like, I think they don't know how this plays out. Yeah, I don't know how it plays out unless they put everybody under, like, severe control very fast. I think that's probably what they would be thinking, I would bet. You know, if you start to let everybody know what's going on—

Like with the data centers, you mean?

Yeah, either the cameras or whatever. But you have to be able to just control everybody really quick, you know, then, because once people, you know, COVID was the test for that, I think. Oh yeah. And we failed it.

I didn't.

I didn't either, but we did as a group.

Yeah. As humanity, as a group.

I did not fail. I didn't. I got a—

Was it a group project though? Was it a group project or was it an individual project? We should talk about that.

That's a good question.

That's important to reflect upon. Was COVID a group project? Yes. And we did fail the assignment. You're right.

As a group, we did.

But I was the person in the group that got it. It was like, guys, Right. Carrying the group.

Right.

Instantly.

Yeah.

They said I was crazy, that I was gonna get Grandma killed.

Yeah. Grandma's gonna die. Like, you're like— and meanwhile, they have to like— we have to visit their grandmother. Like, they have to visit her in a field from like 200 yards away. They're like using a megaphone and shit. They're like, we love you. And she's like, my legs are itching, or whatever. They can't even fucking hear each other.

Terrible.

She's getting bit up by chiggers and stuff in a field because she's like, that's where they have to have her or whatever.

And they let grandma die alone. I mean, the whole thing was crazy.

Zoom funerals? People were on Zoom funerals? Dude, my buddy clicked over.

I was on one of those Zoom funerals.

Shout out to anybody who was on a Zoom funeral today.

Hold on, can we just have a moment of silence for the people that went to a Zoom funeral? 'Cause that is just—

Yeah, yeah.

No. I can't believe I forgot about this. I attended a Zoom wedding.

Did you?

Yes, it was my sister's wedding. I forgot. It's such a trauma has just been unlocked. I'm about to start crying. I forgot about this.

Crazy.

Yes, my sister, she had to— she had to have a Zoom wedding. It's crazy.

Wow.

Yeah, because they just said she couldn't. Yeah, you know, that was it. And so they wanted to get married. They already had plans to get married. So they just had someone record it and we just all hopped on Zoom. That's not right.

No, it's horrible, dude. Well, dude, I went to a Zoom funeral and it was a Black funeral too, dude. And it was like everybody started beefing 'cause everyone wanted to play their own music at their own house for the funeral or whatever. Like, so some people were playing like, you know, like Boyz II Men, like, can we go back? And some people were playing like, what you twerking with? You know? Like, so just people had— and so like people started like music beefing at this, um, it was like an urban Zoom funeral.

Oh my gosh.

And then the guy's up there and he didn't even have— he forgot to turn the speaker on and shit. You're like, what is even— it's like Grandma's going home and we can't even fucking—

This is terrible. I forgot, I forgot we all lived through this. We all have unlocked trauma from COVID We got to— Dr. Fauci needs to go to prison. I mean, this is crazy now that we're all here and realizing—

And he's not. He's coming out with a new Pasta sauce, somebody said.

Is he coming out with a pasta sauce?

Of course he is.

Can you look that up? Is, is, is, is it Fauci with the sauce? For real, can somebody tell me, is it Fauci with the sauce?

Yeah, is— I think he has a new pasta sauce.

I plead the fifth. Is it called I Plead the Fifth?

It's called Co-Vodka.

No, it's not. Yes, it is.

It's a new Italian. It's a Co-Vodka sauce.

No, it's, it's not. It's not.

If you liked COVID, you'll love Co-Vodka. This, this And it has a booster in it. It has also a booster in it.

Booster. That's that. They were discussing that. They're like, people are vaccine hesitant, so we're just gonna start putting it in the vegetables and it'll naturally just like, we're just gonna give it to you in lettuce.

Yeah.

I also don't like, and I haven't looked into it, but you know, I'm a vibe person. That whole, the entire announcement that Trump made about we're gonna get beef from Argentina. I was like, nope.

Yeah.

Nope. Stamp the beef with Argentina. I'm not buying it.

'Cause that's something like, something— why do you need immediate beef from someplace that where the rulings of how they can process it and stuff are probably different, probably safer, even though—

No, buy from American farmers. It's the one thing that people can do. Is it a little more expensive? Yes, it is, and I get that that's hard, but you and I always talk offline about what are the little changes that we can encourage people to make, and that's a huge one, getting to know who your farmers are and doing whatever you can to support them and trying to avoid, but definitively I can tell you whatever is going on with that Argentina beef, beef. Something's not right.

Oh, that Tina beef.

I think they're gonna give us more parasites or something. Something is not right with that beef.

I think they could have been launching some— something new into the community because that Tina beef be hitting, cut.

I, I mean, I'm— the Tina beef is gonna have parasites. That's my assumption.

Tina beef got parasites?

It's gonna have parasites because I think we're waking up too fast and they gotta just get parasites in our stomach as fast as possible.

I know.

Or something.

It's gonna be a long Halloween, man.

It was random. Such a random announcements. Like, here's what I'm doing.

We got 3,100,000 tons of Argentina beef.

And it's gonna be cheaper.

Yeah, it's gonna be cheaper.

I was like, you know what, I'm happy to spend a little more money on my beef, actually.

Yeah.

I want American beef.

Yeah, I'll just fast.

Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? I'll do something. But yeah, when you think, when you kind of step outside and look at it, you're like, yes, something's wrong here. This isn't— yeah, like, what's wrong here?

Just woke up on a random Tuesday and just decided Argentina beef I was, nah, I'm okay. And it's such a reverse in everything that he was doing during the first term.

Yeah. What do you think happened there? What do you think really happened? Do you think that he was a— well, there was always alleged that he had a past that was definitely splotchy, right?

Splotchy.

But that's every American, really.

Absolutely. It was splotchy.

That's every American.

Right. And there was something even almost relatable about that.

Right. People thought he was going to be— there was going to be a possibility there. Right? Like, oh, this is— yeah, this is a guy who was on a TV show, um, who— like, he's at least in this realm, in this rich realm, right? He's always been looked at as kind of a loser in that realm, maybe by those people, unless it's financially based. He's always kind of— it seemed like he'd always been kind of made fun of as an adult. Do you think so?

Yeah. I mean, I think we all just thought he was gonna Like, yeah, what did we think? Blue collar, you know, he spoke like a regular person. And I think we thought that he was going to sort of enact common sense policies. Definitely was going to be anti-war.

Yeah.

And then 2.0 just hit different. I think what happened was the Epstein files.

Really?

Yeah. I mean, look, he took $300 million from Miriam Adelson. At least now we know how much it costs to buy a presidency. So we can all aspire to that. If we've got $300 million sitting in the bank, we can just buy a presidency. Yeah. Right. And beyond that, I think the Epstein files are problematic. I mean, when Pam Bondi said that if they release all the files, she said something along the lines of if they release all the files, it would crush the global economy. That's a pretty strong statement. And I want to make sure I get that right. So you can look that up.

Pam Bondi says that if we prosecute everyone in the Epstein files, the whole system will collapse. Fuck.

And by the way, that's— I feel like that's kind of what we want. So that seems aspirational, but you have to wonder what's in there. And I think we don't really need to wonder. We know what's in there.

Yeah.

So it's just global trafficking elites, everyone blackmailed, every politician blackmailed all over the world. You know, the kid stuff is a component of it. Weapons trafficking, everything.

Something crazy.

That's what's in the Epstein books.

It's like this Pandora's box.

And the Truman Show people. The White Walkers.

Yeah.

As well, like, who they're just MKUltra-ing and are just in these positions. I mean, that was kind of the wildest part of the Brigitte lawsuit was I said one flyaway comment of Brigitte Macron was born at the beginning of— on the date that MKUltra became, uh, became a program. And they mentioned it like 12 times in the lawsuit. I was like, this is a weird sensitivity. Why are you so sensitive about someone mentioning MKUltra? And I do think that a lot of these people are hypnotized, and they're traumatized from their youth, and they are literal White Walkers among us. And then they're kind of put into these positions of power, not based on a meritocracy, like, just like you've gone through their program or whatever, the Epstein program, so to speak. And yeah.

Do you think they go through the program without even knowing it, and then they realize, oh, this is where I am?

I think they're— no, I think they're farming children legit, like trafficking children. sending them to certain schools.

I hope they're farming them locally. That's all I hope.

Yeah, at least I hope it's just not from Argentina.

Yeah, I hope it's not. But no, I— yeah, it's—

but that's— I think that's what's going on. And so that's what we were looking at in some of the series that we were doing, was how many times— I refer to it as the Midas touch— that somebody's just like pulled through the ranks that's not actually an impressive person, and yet they were told that they were some genius. And you start looking into their past and nothing makes sense. And they're actually kind of dumb. There's a lot of those people. And then they're put at the head of a company or at the head of a country.

Yeah.

Like Emmanuel Macron gets a little dicey. You start looking into his past.

So Emmanuel Macron, that's the president of France?

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

And that's— and you guys are in a law— are you guys currently in a lawsuit still?

Yes. Yes.

Is it something you have to keep dealing with?

Yeah, you have to keep dealing with it because that's one of the strategies of how the state tries to take you out is just to bankrupt you. you for asking questions. And, um, but this was unusual though, because I think this is the first time in world history that a sitting president of a country has sued any media person in another country. I mean, it's just weird. I mean, it'd be very strange if like Vladimir Putin sued you, right? Just be weird.

Yeah.

No, I don't care what it is that you say about Vladimir Putin. Like, he's not gonna— it would just be weird.

It'd be weird.

You'd be weird to think that like, oh yeah, he's coming to Nashville because he's got a court date with you. Again, we're getting to this inflection point where we're like, hey, man, is this real? Like, the sitting president of France is suing Candace?

Uh, yeah.

Kind of weird.

It's kind of weird. It's kind of like getting to be like Lost at the end of Lost, where they were just fucking like, you know—

Running out of ideas? Yes.

Like at the end of Lost, where they just did too many things, like the black smoke and the like—

I never saw it, but I know what you mean, when the writers were like, is just they're running out of ideas, and you just gotta shut the show down at that point.

And I think Lost might have been the original kind of— it was our first kind of TV COVID, I think, 'cause it was like, how much are people willing to go on such a journey? Lost was like a 7-year journey that most of America was on.

Okay, I was not on that journey.

And ended basically—

Crazy.

It didn't end.

Okay.

Right? So it just kind of—

Like Game of Thrones.

Yeah.

We were with you, we were on this journey, and now it's getting weird.

So they start to do that, and then it's like, then they make it a little bit more in real life. with something like COVID. I think they've done it in the mental health sector too. I think SSRIs were a big thing, depression, that coming out. And then 20 years after that, I think that bipolar disorder was something that was starting to be really, really diagnosed all the time. And now it's something I hear everybody have. I hear so many cases of it. Can you look that up? When was bipolar disorder? I mean, Frankenstein was the first one, or Dr. Frankenstein or whatever, but when was it Current bipolar disorder. When did that start popping?

When did it start popping?

I mean, Halloween's just gonna be— it's gonna be a good one. Will people dress up like you for Halloween?

1st century.

1st century CE. Yeah, but this— that's just, I think, like men dressing up like women and stuff. Um, yeah, because I think the last time that you were on here, we had talked about that— they— that about that lawsuit.

Yeah, but just think about how weird that we're talking about a lawsuit with the sitting president of France. It's just, this is bonkers. They have to end. It's got to be, we got to end the series now, right? Because we're getting— the ideas are getting too crazy. How do we go beyond that?

Is there a way that lawsuit will end? Do you guys see an end to it?

Just imagine being in the court and just going, I'm sorry, what is the case I'm looking at? I don't even— the sitting president of France. You're the sitting president of France. You're supposed to— now we can't take a lot of these people seriously. That's also what the problem is with stuff like this, is I feel like there was this—

I want to—

I don't want to say like, um, like we almost like respected certain things. Like we thought it was real.

For sure.

This illusion of power, at least. And the illusion matters. Like, we have to— it has to feel untouchable, you know? It has to feel like it could be real. It's untouchable and it's aspirational. And then when you have like the sitting president of France suing podcasters in different nations, you're like, okay, you're not a serious person. Like, you're not a serious person. Like, you're like the rest of us. Stop this pretense. This is coming out of the Élysée Palace. Just forget it. You're just like a regular homeboy, you know? And that's— I'm really upset about that. Like, we now— we have to realize that everyone's an idiot, everyone's emotional, and they're all— they also happen to be liars. And so for them, they're like, how dare you expose me? I, I have the state behind me, so now I can sue you. And it's like, even if you get beyond the lawsuit, you're like, how does this work? Like, you're the sitting president of France. Even if you won the lawsuit, what's going to— am I going to be shut up here? You're going to take money from my bank account here? What are we doing?

Talk about realizing that the entire system is globalized. What are you talking about? And then you have Trump cheering it on.

The lawsuit?

Yeah. You have Trump cheering it on saying that he hoped Brigitte triumphs in court. I mean, who knows who controls his Twitter feed or whatever. But—

Have you communicated with Trump about it at all?

Well, he told me to stop talking about Brigitte. He called me in February of 2025.

I didn't even know that.

Yeah, because I was doing a whole series on potential Mossad ties and all this stuff. And I got a phone call from him asking me to just stop talking about Brigitte and Sergio Gore. And I'm going, where— what is going on? Does the White House care about what I'm talking about on a podcast? And they wanted the conversation to stop. But I think now in retrospect, which I've been talking about the podcast now, I think it all actually relates to the Epstein files because the Epstein is a France story. Like, Ghislaine Maxwell, they were— this is a French family. And we were getting into, like, the House of Maxwell and her father, Robert Maxwell, being the central piece.

It's deep.

It's deep. And then you realize that his partner was Jean-Luc Brunel. It was the modeling agencies. It was all French. And so, I didn't put two and two together really until after Charlie's passing.

The French modeling agent and founder of Karine Models and MC2 Model Management, backed by Epstein, which was financially backed by Epstein, was one of Epstein's companies. closest associates.

Yeah. So, I think we didn't realize what tree we were barking up when we started the series looking into Epstein. And I didn't realize that these pieces could obviously come together if you're talking about a world of trafficking. And I think, you know, the modeling companies were a front for trafficking a bunch of people from Eastern Europe. That seems to be the picture. Epstein also was involved in weapons and And so, it gives you an ability to do that. And so, a lot of these— I look at the fashion industry now different because you expect to see young women. They're like, oh, this model from Estonia, and she's 14, but look how beautiful she is. And now I'm going, this was kind of all happening right in our face. 'Cause as you start to look through the Epstein files, and he was like picking who was gonna win pageants.

Wow.

Epstein won the lottery twice. Talk about us just realizing that's fake.

Did he really?

Look that up. I wanna fact-check that, but I'm pretty sure he won the Powerball twice, or maybe it was the Powerball twice.

Did Jeffrey Epstein win the lottery? The studies show—

No official state or national lottery organization has recorded a winner by the name connected to a major verified jackpot. Okay, so is that, was that actually misinformation?

So let me see.

Oh wait, go to Tucker's thing. For some reason I feel like I read that somewhere 'cause I, you can't trust AI either.

I mean, who knows if this is—

Powerball. Maybe it was Powerball. So that's different from lottery or jackpot. I don't know the difference between all these things, but yeah, in Oklahoma, maybe it was just one once, but it's like a bit weird. Like, you know, and so you, you take a look at that and you're going, what's happening? Are we just laundering money?

We're— Is it about children? Like, yeah, what is— because here's the thing in the end, what is it all about? Is it, is it about sex? Is it about money? It's just about power. Like, um, because now, like, all of it.

I mean, the women, Red Sparrow. Like, I think that they are probably running the most—

Who's Red Sparrow? Not that pizza place, is it?

Is there a pizza place called Red Sparrow?

Yeah, I think so. Look that up.

Uh-uh.

Oh my God.

No.

I've eaten there. I've dined in there.

No, there's no Red Sparrow Pizza. What?

I've dined in there.

That's crazy that there's a pizza— is that in Nashville? What the fuck, man? Is that in Nashville?

Oh shit.

It's in Australia. What were you doing in Australia eating pizza?

Oh, I fucking— I was hungry. You think I don't get hungry just 'cause I'm traveling?

People gotta eat in Australia too, but I'm banned from Australia, so I can't, I can't go. You are? Dude. Me and Kanye, I think, are like the only people that have ever been banned from Australia.

It's crazy. Okay, hold on. We gotta back a couple things up here. Okay, first let's get it. And yeah, and I'm not sure if this was— yeah, this may or may not have been the place that I was. I, that I went to. But yeah, thank God. I— yeah, anyway, I didn't get—

No, nothing bad happened at this pizza place. I was just— I was— I wasn't even referencing a pizza place. I was saying Red Sparrow like the movie.

Okay, I haven't seen that. I haven't seen that. Yeah, I thought you meant Red Sparrow Pizza.

They're gonna get hit with so many reviews like, what's going on at Red Sparrow in Australia?

Yeah, bro, sorry, bro. You guys are chill.

We're very sorry. Allegedly, allegedly, just throw a couple allegedlys.

Yeah, allegedly, allegedly. Good day, mate.

No, Red Sparrow the movie is like all of these spy women.

It's fucking Halloween.

That have like been put through the MKUltra program since they were kids. And then they're just sent to marry. 'Cause if you think about that, more broadly speaking of what Courtney Love was saying about the publishing rights, well, power in general, like you gotta have a way to access power. So you get all of these women who are like completely hypnotized to marry these men. Because what's always gonna be, you know, biblically speaking, what's gonna be the easiest way, no matter how much power a man has, if you want to control them, send a cute girl, you know what I'm saying?

And send a cute girl looking for sugar or whatever.

Yeah, so they like are— this was, I think, based on like— it was real, like they were training.

So this is— this is a book by this guy. The story is based on the best-selling Red Sparrow novel by former CIA officer Jason Matthews. It draws on historical Cold War sexpionage tactics. Yeah, I mean, there's still this shit.

It's just marry a dude. They can just right now Now you're like, look, you're building a little empire so they could just send you a wind-up doll and then you love her and then you just leave everything to her. You know, that's scary.

And she's just a— she's just like a data center of a woman. She's not even a real woman.

She's not a real woman.

Wow.

I think a lot of people are thinking about that right now too. Like, who the bleep did I marry?

Right.

That's the show.

Who the bleep did I marry?

Yeah. That's scary. That stuff scares me. The idea of not knowing who you marry or what they're capable of, even in real world scenarios. Like there was that case that just happened, Caleb Flynn or whatever.

I didn't see that.

It was just— I don't know what's going on with people. He was having an affair. Of course he was.

It's a man?

Christian pastor, or was at least involved, a worship leader at a church.

At least he was having an affair with an adult. Was it with an adult?

It was, but it's like he then wanted out of the relationship, and like rather than just filing for divorce, he kills her, his wife. And you just go, okay. Oh yeah, also former American Idol singer.

It's a dark world.

Guys, there's so many other options here, you know? And it is, it's a dark, dark world. But that, even in the retrospect—

He staged a home invasion.

Yeah. And in the retrospect, what's crazy is her sister, like the victim's sister, was comforting him. She's like, I had no idea that he was capable of this. That is so scary. And for something so dumb, like you just wanted, you had a with a girl. Like, that's crazy to me. Just leave the marriage if that's what it comes to. So you wonder what's going on in this person's head. You don't know who you marry. That is the draw of that, where people, I think, are wondering, like—

Oh, yeah.

When people say, why are women attracted to true crime? It's actually because you learn things about people.

You think that's true?

Absolutely. It's a psychology. It's the different mindset of hunters and gatherers. Like, women are different creatures. We socialize more. We speak more from the time that— and speak more words than men from the time that we start speaking. We speak faster. And you have to develop those certain traits over time.

Yeah.

Over, you know, it's evolutionary. So women socialize, and they communicate, and they learn information because they have to be the ones that keep the kids safe and all of, you know. And so then you're talking to each other like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, that's crazy. I didn't even think about the possibility that the housekeeper could do this, or whatever, as you're watching some show. I didn't think about the possibility that a best friend could do this. then suddenly you're watching somebody else's story and you're thinking, let me make sure that this is taken care of in my household, that my kid is not being exposed to this. And— but yeah.

Yeah, I could see some of that. I could certainly see some of that. I think sometimes when— I think I always thought that women watch those shows 'cause they secretly, like, this might sound crazy, but they secretly respect these murderers.

What?

Because at least it's a guy making a commitment, right? Like, say what you want about it, that guy is— that is commitment.

Men and women will never understand each other. That is what I've just learned right now. Men and women were just— men are from Mars and women are from Venus. No, women watch it because there's like— it's a draw of like, how could something have gone so wrong? Like, where could— it's a safety thing.

I don't see it. I see a lot of women like, oh, at least that guy's willing to commit to her.

Yeah, no, that's not— that's not the conversation.

Like, he said he would come over and he did come over.

No.

Yes, he killed her, right? But at least he showed up.

That is not the conversation that's going on. I always love thinking of what— it's like that meme of what guys think is going on in a girl's head and what girls think guys are thinking. And it's just, we're just from different planets.

Yeah.

We are. It's fine. We're from different planets. That's what I've realized. Having boys and girls is just, there's no comparison here.

Yeah.

Completely different. What's going on in their minds is never what's going on in our minds. Guys think we're crazy. That's what they think we're thinking. And then we look at guys and we're like, you're crazy. Like, how are you guys so chill about this?

Yeah.

In, in certain regards. and it's just hunters and scavengers.

Yeah, we're all just— yeah, we're just fish passing in the night or whatever it's called.

I think, I think it's the ships.

Ships?

Yeah.

Passing in the night. Yeah, if fish are passing in the night, dude, dude, they probably wouldn't even notice because there's so much water. But yeah, dude, I'm telling you, it's freaking Halloween.

To be clear, fish do pass in the night as well. There's nothing wrong with that expression. We can say fish passing in the night.

It's fish pass.

Yeah, they pass each other.

Fish passing in the night. Her, I bet he is thinking of another woman. Him, why do we throw our bait towards the middle of the lake when we fish from the bank, but throw our bait towards the bank when we fish from a boat? That's a good question.

This is girl versus guy.

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Kids— like, some kid got one tit put on his back or whatever the other day to help him with like, like some of his— like the way he plays soccer or whatever.

It's like he got a tit on his back, or like doing like everything. You can't just drop that casually. What do you— you can't just say a kid got a tit on his back.

I'm just saying they're remodeling it. Like, we— with soccer, just like, I think it gave him a little bit more spacing when they were like lobbying for like a header near the net or whatever. But it was just like— what I'm saying is this, Candace, it's all turned into Halloween. Like, it's, it's like we're at the inflection point where it's just weird. It's Halloween, man.

Yeah.

Everything's Halloween.

But what do you think contributed the most to it? Because I do think that the majority of people— let me think through this, 'cause I wanna make sure I'm not gonna regret the statement. But I do think that the majority of people are normal. And I think we see the extremes a lot. Right?

Right.

And so that's one of the things, like, because my life is very, like, real and we don't kind of, I guess, play Hollywood or DC games and we have our friend— nobody knows who our friends are. Like, you're kind of our only friend that's famous, so to speak. And we keep our kids off the internet. Like, I just feel like my life is very real, and so I know real people.

Mm-hmm.

And so I'm wondering if we are also responding to the extremes because we then open our phones and we see, like, BBNet and Yahoo saying this, or someone making a strange, like, I don't know, know, just doing something insane. And that's what the media is going to cover because they can't cover people being normal.

Yeah.

So I think the majority of people are normal, but the people who have power are eccentric pedophiles.

Right. And so they have to keep escalating things.

Because they're angry that the normal people are now going, oh, I think you guys are a bunch of pedophiles. And so then they have to be more extreme in their insanity and trying to gaslight us and make us think that we're the crazy people. Like, I don't know. I think about that sometimes. what's contributing to it. And they want— basically, they want to make us think that they're the majority, but they're actually not the majority. Like, the majority of people don't want to put a tit on their back to balance them at soccer, right? Some people, sure.

Yeah, some people do. But pedophiles are trying to get that because they want to— it needs to be a new marketing surgery. It needs a new thing.

That's the problem with Hollywood. It was like the illusion of a majority because they had so many fans. But they're not the majority.

And now it's changing. And so they gotta turn up the furnace.

Yeah.

Oh yeah, you guys are gonna be the Titbacks or whatever. And you guys are gonna be, oh, who's your son play for? The Titbacks?

Not a terrible name for a team.

I agree. But it's just, you're right. It's getting fucking weird. It's turning into Halloween. Do you think that you've influenced a lot of Halloween costumes? Is there any Candace Owens Halloween costumes out there?

They're probably scared 'cause they're gonna be like, instantly blackface.

Yeah, I will say this. When you have, when you have, uh, an artist or, um, when you have like a personality or someone from the world that you like that is Black or even dark, dark Native American—

I've never been offended by that. I think it's crazy when they're like canceling 4-year-olds and they want to dress up as Moana because they love Moana. Yeah. And then they dress up as Moana and your parents canceled. I was like, come on, man.

Like this 4-year-old's racist or whatever.

What do you mean? She loves Moana.

She can't even spell racist.

I know, that's why my kids, it's great 'cause they're mixed so they can just, they don't have to—

Yeah, they can do either one.

Either one. Oh, that's a thing. Slide in and be Cinderella. No way.

Whoa, shorty bae.

No way. Oh no, that's a tweet. No, they were making fun of this week's thing where they found a video of me. Okay, it wasn't even, it's literally from my college project.

Oh, with the lesbian stuff you mean?

Yeah.

But that is—

No, the lesbian stuff wasn't from my college project, but this is just someone just doing a—

Who is that? Now what period of your life was this, Candace?

So I was playing a police officer. It's actually a very funny long, long video.

So this is a real photo?

No, it's a real photo. I was playing a police officer for my sophomore year college. Uh, I was a journalism major, so you had to like, you know, this is back when you had the video camera and like the early editing in 2008 or whatever. And so your final project was always to pick a topic and then you had to like create a video and submit it. So somebody hacked my— and then you put up on YouTube, and I guess I didn't private or unlist it or So for some reason, back in June of 2025, somebody hacked my YouTube account from college, which only had this video, 'cause you have to just send the link to your professor or whatever. Sorry.

Yeah, you're good.

Is that good? Yeah, I, I guess somebody hacked my YouTube account last year from— so it's a 2-decade-old video. It's still hilarious. People should actually go watch it. And it was just, we were covering the Adderall epidemic on college campuses. Yeah. And we were obviously being— it was, it was satire, so we were leaning into like getting arrested for— this person was a drug dealer who was selling Adderall.

Um, so it's just a video from school, but is that why? Because there was something I saw last week, it was like about lesbianism or something like that. Did you ever practice lesbianism? I don't care if you did.

It's a form of witchcraft. Did you ever practice lesbianism? No, of course it was totally fake. It was their, it was their latest like Candace And it was so insane 'cause we were like, what is going on? How are you taking this innocent college video? And so they're like, we hacked this. And then we found that she had a Twitter account. And I'm like, yeah, like what's— what is wrong with any of this? And then of course, if you put it all into Claude, they're like, and then they just pretended that this account, they're like, we can't show you how, but this connects to all of these crazy lesbian accounts from 2008. I'm like, dude, 2008 is too early, A, and they made a mistake.

Could you have been a lesbian at that time?

No, but if I was lesbian at that time, you just go to the bar. I'm on a college campus. Like you don't, You go to a frat party, you don't make— like, 2008 wasn't a time where people were making—

Oh, you could hang your tongue out of your mouth and run down the street.

Exactly. I'm like, this is— I think they just got the—

it's like, what are we even talking about?

What are we talking about? People don't need to make accounts. We— Facebook just started. Like, you know, people weren't doing this kind of stuff. The world wasn't that weird in 2008. Yeah. Um, so, but anyways, what was really funny though was they only messed up on one point. So they then like, of course, tried to find all these accounts that didn't have, uh, didn't have a person's face. And it got debunked pretty quickly. But the thing that they forgot, you wanna know what saved me? I had a trashy tattoo and a belly ring and they forgot to put it on there. And I was like, see, Mom, I disobeyed you.

I told you.

Dunking on my mom 2 decades later. I'm like, you see, I told you this tattoo would pay off.

Wow.

Yeah, because they forgot the tattoo and the belly ring and the belly rings 'Cause millennials, and I always talked about it on my podcast at The Daily Wire, she'd be like, this was the regret because tattoo removal is very, very painful. But they just forgot it in the Candace series. And then so the whole thing got clearly— I was like, guys, it's just weird.

So you never did it then?

No, of course no. Do you notice what they were accusing me of? They weren't even casual. It was so Epstein-coded. They were like, this website, she's had 6 profiles on a dating site. trying to find group, like, group sex.

Group activities or whatever.

Yeah, like, I'm like, people weren't doing that. Like, we had BlackBerrys, man. It was a simple— it was a simpler time. Yeah, dude, first of all, we had BlackBerrys.

And also, any woman with a BlackBerry—

BBM—

T-Mobile was like that sidekick.

That was a lesbian item. I never had a Sidekick. Maybe it was a lesbian item.

I feel like—

I know my mom had a Sidekick.

Did she?

She did.

But where— so wait, was there a photo that's not— so none of the things that they were saying were sexual pictures, right?

No, no, they— then they tried to like— like, there was no— there was no sense. It was totally schizophrenic.

But lesbian Candace and see what it is.

So then they— yeah, they tried to put up this photo.

Oh, this whole thing's gonna be half WNBA, so we can't do that, dude.

Yeah, so then they tried that photo in the corner, and then they—

Let me see it.

They didn't know I didn't have a— they didn't know that I had a belly ring and a, um, a tattoo. So then they tried to go back and be like—

Whoa, Candace, is that you?

It ain't me, unfortunately. Who is that? So then they found the photos after of my tattoo, and I was like, y'all, you guys already, uh, fumbled the ball. You can only do the fake— you can only try the fake porn thing once. I was like, you missed the trashy tattoo and you missed the belly ring. And then they found the photos, actual photos of me in college, and I had a trashy tattoo.

Oh dude, when you're in college, dude, every— who is— I couldn't name 75 people, also men, when I was in college that weren't lesbians, first of all. But yeah, I mean, everybody, dude.

Brunette— what was it, brunettes, bro?

You hang your tongue out the freaking— just out of a moving car window and something will run across it.

It's literally disgusting.

You know, it's just a different time.

But I mean, I kind of benefited from just— I was always just very honest with my audience about, like, I talked about the tattoo regret, the belly rings, the, like, Christina Aguilera phases, drinking in college. And I think that you get this, like, that's one of the things that I think I've benefited from I was just— I've never pretended to be this perfect person, you know? Like, I, I mean, I—

Well, that's all normal life.

Yeah.

It's not like you're not gonna have a normal life, right?

But like, then like going to like the sex route and like trying to pretend that people are prostituting on your net, it's just because I don't support Israel. Like, it's just like we're getting a little crazy, you know what I mean? Like, there's something about that that I was like, it feels— I don't know, like not—

Well, it just feels cheap. I mean, it feels—

But it's like it goes back and you're trying to edit my character. It's like, I've already told you the flaws. Like, you don't need to, right? You know? And like try to sexualize things is crazy to me. But—

Well, I think we're in a different time where you can't use those types of things as much anymore, right? Say you were somebody that had even dated a woman, who cares? And say you were somebody that was having— going through a tough time and was selling and was like involved in like some sort of sexual thing. So what? Yeah. Like people are human people, right?

Yeah. What somebody then also said is the new thing now, like, we're also just lucky that the internet wasn't what it is now. But someone was even saying that now what they do is they get these, like, you know, there'll be these like data leaks and they'll be able to find like an old password of yours. And so then they'll go— this gratefully didn't happen to me— and they'll, but they'll like access dormant accounts and then they'll create profile, like they'll create a digital profile for you and you've never even been on this website.

Wow.

So now it's getting very sophisticated and people just need to be careful on the internet. Like, and maybe that goes back to my point earlier about me just not wanting to put my kids out there. Because if you're putting your kids out there on the internet and you're public, how do you know they're not already creating fake identities for your kids? You know what I'm saying? Like pretending your kid has a TikTok or whatever it is, just using a dormant account and creating a whole profile. Like there are entire profiles of me, profiles of people, you know, good fan profiles. But then there could also be profiles that are not fan profiles that hate you.

Yeah, I saw one. There was one of you, I think it was somebody had said it was like dark farmer women or whatever. Bring that one No, do not.

Is it— what is it?

It's not illegal or anything. It was just like, it was like kind of a farmer's only dating thing or whatever. Oh, farmer's only. It was darker farmer women or tanned farmer women, and you were like the most tan on there.

Oh, me?

Yeah, it was just a conservative female dating site or something.

What? I have an account on darker farmer women?

Look, I don't think it's a bad look.

No, that's so crazy. No, pull that up.

You make it sound very negative. No, it's a good thing. place for people to meet people, especially in Murfreesboro.

There is no way. Are you kidding?

I'm not kidding. I know I saw this. Or I, you know, you go through, you just like, you scroll and you see stuff.

No, this she has to actually find.

Or like, uh, or like Mahogany Farmer, something like that. I don't know what the terminology was used. Sorry.

Wait, so is it like a website dedicated to Black farmers, literally?

No, it's, uh, yeah, it's like, it's sort of like an urban farmer dating I think.

Or wait, like urban, like city, or urban, like Black people?

I mean, whatever you want it to be.

I don't know. I've never heard of this.

Okay, I think it's Black people, but I don't know.

Why are you on these websites?

I'm not on them all the time. I'm just trying to do my best.

Yeah, this I didn't know about.

But I'm telling you, it gets— I gotta get it. Yeah, I gotta get a family suit.

You gotta get a family suit. I didn't even know about this.

And this is how you get one sometimes. Yeah, you gotta You gotta go, you gotta search, you gotta shop around.

There you go. You learn something new every day. An urban farmer site. Are they using my photo though?

For real? No, I— it was somebody. I think it could have been something that was fictional. Who knows what's real anymore?

Oh, oh, oh yeah. I don't know about that. Yeah. I was like, I thought you were saying like you were on the website and there was a profile for me.

No, I saw a profile, but I don't think that it was— it wasn't a sexual thing. Black female farmers, farmer dating.

I didn't know this was a thing. Single farmers dating. Okay.

this. Let me see, cuz we need more Black foreign women. And look at this white woman sneaking in, even the third woman.

This is crazy. I didn't even know it was— what, like, there's so many websites?

Like, oh, there you go down there. Let me see it. Women of a Different Breed right there. I'm that special lady. Pull up.

What are you doing on this website, huh?

I'm just looking to see what's online.

That's so crazy. Everything— wait, she's not Black.

That's what I'm saying. Some of these girls be trying to late. Oh, that seems like a bot. Some of these dating sites are so bots. And who is that lady? I'm a professional high fashion model. That's how it starts right there.

There you go, right there. That is hilarious.

And that's your Epstein bot right there. It's dark, Candace. And I'm not talking about the women.

Easy.

It's dark out there. I think we all just gotta— some of it's too much online sometimes.

It is. And I was even— because we were just talking about it now, of like the millennials, we kind of carved it all out. And even the earlier dating sites, like it was so much more innocent then. Like people were on like eHarmony, there were like commercials for it. And then I was, I was telling my producer Ashley, I was like, even when Tinder got started, my friends that were on Tinder, they— it was people would go on dates and it was normal. And then everything became so sexual. Like I feel like in like 2012, things kind of went down the drain.

Mm-hmm.

And maybe a little later, maybe it was like 2015. But I don't know, there was like an innocence to the internet in the beginning, and then it got very dark and sexual and weird. And Tinder got taken over, and then it was like Netflix and chill. And then people kind of migrated and went to Bumble because they were trying to get out of that filth. And now it's just like, I can't imagine trying to date at all. Like, it's just really, especially online, like you just don't know. Like everything is so scary now.

Well, yeah, yeah. In the beginning it was kind of like, It used to be a lot more innocent.

And Google used to be real, by the way. The results that we got back, there were so many different options.

Yeah.

And then I feel like we stepped into like a totally different era where everything now is like fake, fake and gay. Like I always say, it's just fake and gay.

Fake and gay.

And you're like, okay, what's real? Are these like— we just got bots everywhere. It's trying to tell you what to think. Google is no longer giving you every answer. It's like telling you what the answer needs to be. As soon as you answer, you can't even trust the first answer on Google. You actually have You to go should to the second answer. just dismiss the first answer on Google, and then you have to like used to have all of these options. And I try to explain to people: I'm like the internet is now fake. It's just everything about it is a veneer, right?

It started to almost eat digest its own self in a weird way.

But they got smart and were like no, we need to tell them what to think and not show them what other people are thinking. Wow! You know the dead internet theory that is 100%.

I believe I believe that the dead internet theory is an online concept which suggests that the internet is now mostly controlled by automated. generated bots and AI-generated content instead of real people. I agree.

X, definitively. I mean, X is just a bot farm.

X is the grossest. It's so gross, dude. X, what did Elon do? What happened? Because it is the sickest place. You don't even go on anymore. I don't even know anybody who goes. It's just like kind of a trashy spot where people are trying to sell meme coins.

Let's just be honest, Twitter was better when Jack Dorsey ran it.

Wow.

We gotta just drop that right now.

But do you think that something happened where then like the people, maybe Elon bought it and they just— haters bought so many bots. Do you think it's bots or do you think it's—

It's bots. They're obviously fake profiles. I mean, I remember at the inflection point when they were really trying to get Trump to go to war and Trump was like, I have 100% support, and they put a ridiculous poll that's so obviously not true. But I remember Michael Knowles, he tweeted something and he ran a poll of, do you support the Iranian war? And it was like 100% of people supported it.

It's all full of bots.

Come on, Twitter. And that you can see sometimes where they launch all these bots and the trends are completely controlled now. So like, you will never see a bad trend about a Zionist. And then no matter what people who are anti-Zionist do, they like try to clean it up and like go after people. So they're controlling the trends, the bots. And I don't know why he allowed that to happen because he kind of came in like, I'm going to rescue X. But, you know, maybe it wasn't a good business deal. And so he's just cut some deals on the side, but everyone knows that it's bots. But I will say this because I don't think it's a bad thing because people are aware of it. So I think now we're kind of becoming antibiotic resistant. Do you know what I mean? They're trying to ascend and we're just like, okay, this is obviously nonsense. Nobody actually believes this.

Nobody's buying this. Nobody believes these charts.

Nobody believes any of this. Yeah. So it's having the opposite effect. And so it's a good thing that we now realize that the internet is dead, like the dead internet theory is real. And—

But now what happens from here? Because here's the thing, say if there's these higher, like, dark powers and they control everything, once people start to look up and just not be stuck in, in the confusion anymore, right, to realize that, oh, everything's being controlled, it's all like kind of so much of things are a myth, you have to immediately control all of them or they'll get out of the cage. You know what I'm saying?

Then that's where we're at right now.

Right. That feels like—

I don't think they know what to do. They're like pouring more of it on and it looks even more ridiculous.

Yeah, it's bizarre. It's like, yeah.

We know people don't think this. What are you talking about? We know these are bots. What are you saying? That's what I'm saying. The average person doesn't think like this. So I don't think they ever thought through this plausibility that there would be this awakening this quickly, because it did kind of happen quickly. Like we went the last few years, have been— I feel like—

Everything's gone faster. Everything's gone faster. The evil has gone faster. The hope has gone faster. I think more people are kind of like, hopefully heading towards faith and trying to find that maybe this is the time where it's just another time in history where you realize that maybe this is something that brings a lot of people back to faith.

But even faith is getting exposed. The faith grift, so to speak, has been exposed. exposed in some areas for sure. I think over the last 3 years as well, where you got these like pastors who are like ripped jeans and trying to relate. And now we're like, wait a second, you're totally just a government—

Oh yeah, like Calves for Christ. You'll see those guys doing like the workouts or whatever. Like these calves are for Christ. You know what I'm saying? Christ.

What pocket of the internet are you in? I've never seen Calves for Christ. I've never seen Black Farmers. Like, where are you right now? Bro, I want the abs for Christ. Bro, I'm online. Please pull this up.

I'm online, Candace.

As for Christ, I've never heard of this.

But I'm just saying, Jesus, he might've been able to hold himself up on the cross if he'd had these calves.

No way.

Yeah, there's a lot of dark stuff out there, Candace.

I gotta, I gotta, I just gotta like jump into your entire algorithm right now. You're seeing things that I'm just not seeing on the internet. But yes, to your point, I was talking more about like the megachurch sort of cool pastor.

Oh yeah.

That like relates to you and all that stuff.

Well, yeah, I think everything can get corrupt. Right? It's like, the ego is very scary.

Yeah, but I think it's actually started corrupt, like some of these megachurches, because when I— yeah, I mean, the kind of money they're bringing in. I'll tell you where I was, my moment where I said, okay, this is— something's going on here.

All right.

I don't know if we're drug trafficking, what's going on here with these megachurches, who's funding them, was when Joel Osteen, a plumber, went to go fix a toilet at his megachurch and he like accidentally hit a wall and found $300,000 cash.

You're lying.

Behind the toilet.

Let me see.

And then Joel Osteen comes out and he's like, oh, there it is.

Like, oh dang.

Oh, there it is. We didn't realize. $300K. That's, you know, you hate— I hate when that happens. I accidentally lose $300K behind the toilet. And I'm going, are we all accepting this answer for like $300K cash found in like— I think something else is going on here. I don't know. I'm not an expert. I'm not I'm not an expert.

If these walls could talk.

If these walls could talk.

They'd say, hey, I need to get to a bank.

Look at this. This is real. The plumber was Justin Cauley.

A plumber named Justin Cauley found roughly 500 envelopes containing cash, checks, and money orders hidden in a wall behind a loose toilet at Joel Osteen's Lakewood Church in Houston on November 10th, 2021. The old loose toilet trick, huh?

Yeah.

Let me come over there. You heard you got that loose toilet.

And then look at the resolution there. The church stated that the original stolen amounts had been covered by insurance and that the recovered funds were inventoried. So you're telling me—

So—

It was stolen and then someone just put it in a— behind a toilet? Like, what would be the purpose of that?

Sounds like laundering.

It sounds a little bit like maybe we need to be investigating that a little further.

Houston police confirmed that the serial numbers and dates on the recovered checks linked the stash to an unsolved March 2014 burglary worth $600,000. About $200,000 in cash and $400,000 in checks.

So the burg— like, think about the story they're trying to tell us right now.

Was reported stolen from the church safe. So—

You stole it, and instead of just walking out with it, you decided to put it in a toilet? Like, I don't think that happened. I think there might have been something going on inside of the church, and then you filed for insurance and you got money. And then, like, of course on Sunday when they find it and it's a whole scandal, it's just like, oh, praise God. You know, afraid to say it, Anthony. And there it is, there it is, there it is. I'm going, wait, are we accepting?

There it is. My money has come along. They're over there filing off their fingerprints. Yeah, yeah, I know.

I'm like, guys, come on, I've been around. You don't just find $300K behind a toilet.

Different times.

Different times. But yeah, I was like, okay, these mega churches are getting real mega, you know?

Well, it's all— everything is like— that's the thing about it. It's like, I don't know, it's a— everything's a tough balance to take care of yourself and not to get too— and not to get, uh, caught up, corrupted.

Yeah.

Um, it's Halloween, man. It's turning into Halloween. Um, yeah, what are some good— yeah, what are some good Halloween costumes, I wonder?

Oh, what are you gonna— what are you gonna be for Halloween?

Probably Brigitte's wiener.

Probably Brigitte would be a great costume. Brigitte would be a great costume. Do you think—

would people be Macron's wiener for Halloween? Has anybody ever been that? Is that a crazy thing to say?

I don't think, um, any— I don't think so. I think they'd be thrown in jail. They don't have free speech in France.

In France?

Yeah.

Really?

Yeah, we're headed that direction. They don't have free speech in France. That's why the journalists that like covered the story had to like move out of France.

Nuh-uh.

Yeah, for 8 years. Xavier Poussard, to work on the story. The government was just coming after him.

Have you ever spoken to him?

Xavier Poussard? Yeah. The whole basis of the podcast I did was his work. So he's the one who— he's the real hero of the story. I mean, he was— you can't— that's old school journalism to commit yourself to one story for 8 years. And people aren't used to it because we live in such an ADHD society. That's been like me with the Charlie Kirk case. I just haven't let it go. It's how journalism used to be. You don't just cover something for 5 seconds and then just dismiss it, because you can't. If it's actually a case or something that big, you have to read the documents. You gotta follow what's going on. You have to know the characters. There are a lot of characters. Yeah.

I wanna ask you about it really quick. Let me see this. So this says, France has freedom of speech, but it is not absolute and comes with specific legal limits.

So you don't have freedom of speech. French people trying to be tricky. Turkey, so you don't have it. We have freedom of speech, but it comes—

yeah, all right, exactly.

Like, take that Statue of Liberty.

I never been, man. And honestly, bro, and no disrespect to the French, bro, but I've never really been a big fan of the French, bro.

You know, I will say— and that's fine with me, cuz people, people in Paris are not like the people in the rest of France. It's like a diff— it's kind of like judging all of America based on New Yorkers.

That's fair.

Or more like LA people.

I just think, I don't know, my favorite place in the world is in France. So it's called Annecy. Can you look it up? That's random.

What are you doing at all these places?

I was cruising. I had a lady at the time and we was cruising through there.

Is this the basil lady?

Netflix and chilling? No, different girl.

No?

My old girlfriend. Annecy. Yeah. Can you see just the downtown? It's just a small place.

Wow, beautiful.

It's a little town over there.

Yeah.

Get you a little chocolate latte.

You must have really liked her.

It's like being in that show Chocolat. You ever remember that movie?

You must have really liked her.

I did like her.

Yeah? What happened?

Oh, I don't know what happened. I think I was—

It was you.

I was cheating, probably.

Mm-hmm. It was you.

Running around. Just being just a wiener head.

That reporter was amazing.

That what?

That reporter in France and—

Is he?

Yeah.

Did you ever have him on your show?

He— yeah. So I actually went out and interviewed him in London because I just couldn't even comprehend the idea of dedicating yourself for 8 years to one story.

Yeah.

Do you know what I'm saying? And then having to move your entire family. There's no upside for your family. Like, he's—

So they made his family move because he was working?

No, he was getting chased by the government. They were doing things, and they went after every single journalist that tried had to cover the story.

What's his name? Picard or whatever?

Xavier Poussard.

Xavier Poussard.

Poussard, yeah. And he just did the most amazing work and had to wait years, even when he was filing for things that he rightfully was supposed to get. I mean, it's like me right now trying to file FOIA requests, and the government just keeps telling us, nope, doesn't matter, don't have to answer, don't— you know? And so he, for 8 years, he fought them on this Brigitte story. And the book Becoming Brigitte, which I based podcast series on. It's amazing. It's absolutely amazing.

So, um, so this is the guy who's— and what are his major beliefs?

Major beliefs in regard to—

in regard to all of his research? The whole goal of the research is what? Is it just to—

And he's never been sued, by the way, by Brigitte. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, he's never been sued by Brigitte for defamation.

It says Xavier Prissard published articles and subsequently a book titled Becoming Brigitte. Oh, that amplified debunked online—

See, debunked online hoaxes. It's just not true. It's why you can never trust the AI overview, because it's just the government.

So you're saying that what the AI overview here is saying is not true?

Yeah, it's never been debunked.

Okay, let me—

Never been debunked ever.

Let me read what it says real quick. That amplified debunked online hoaxes claiming Brigitte was born biologically male. These false narratives subsequently gained international traction after being shared by various commentators and media figures.

Looking at you, Candace Owens.

But what really happened?

For him, they never sued him, but they came after his businesses. It's the squeeze like I was talking about. One of the mechanisms is they'll try to bankrupt you, terrify you. They went after other journalists on the case and sued them for defamation, never on the point that Brigitte was born Jean-Michel Trogneux. My lawsuit is not about whether or not Brigitte Macron is a man. And that's what they do is they they try to win these cases on a technicality. Like, she's suing me, like I said, for mentioning MKUltra, for saying that she stole her brother's idea because she didn't steal it or whatever. So accusing somebody of theft is accusing somebody of being a criminal. And that's basically what they did. And then they tell the press, and so the press runs, Candace Owens being sued for defamation for calling Brigitte a man. Read the case. I'm not being sued for calling Brigitte a man.

But people, we never go read the case.

We just read the front. Nobody reads the case. And that's the problem with the— And then what happens is you then go on to AI and it scrapes. And so it's Candace Owens is being sued for saying Brigitte's a man. I'm not being sued for saying Brigitte's a man.

Fuck.

She's never sued anyone for saying that she was born a man.

And do people think that she was born a man?

A lot of lawsuits are like that now. It's just for PR reasons to say that you're suing over something that you're not suing. Of course, the entire nation—

She's got a small frame. I don't even know if she could hold a little wiener up on— if she had one on. Pull her up.

Brigitte's old now, you know? Brigitte's like 80-something now.

Pull her body up a little bit. Or not her body, don't do it like that, but just pull her up as a tall person.

Do not pull up Brigitte's body. I'm gonna strongly say reject. Do not do that right now.

Yeah, get that gander right there. Oh, that body couldn't hold a strong frank at all. I'll tell you that straight up.

The case is absolutely fascinating.

The real wiener right here is that dude next to her Who is that?

Freaking one of the most protected people ever. Brigitte.

Like, is she really?

Is she really is the question.

Do you, uh, how do, how is really she is, or is really he?

Hey, if these, hey, hold on. To he or not to he? I'll say, look, that is the question.

If these vaginal walls could talk, you know what I'm saying, bro?

It's funny.

They wouldn't, hey, they wouldn't say a word cuz they not here.

Mm-hmm. The little crazy story, but Brigitte, I'm not taking back anything that I've said, that's for sure.

Hey, bro, we can't all be wieners.

Exactly. It's just that the Brigitte story is crazy.

We gotta stop. But if I had a little wiener, I'd fucking keep that bitch on me, bro. If I was a woman, I wouldn't mind having a little wiener, probably.

Like, if you were a woman— what, you couldn't if you were a woman?

Right. But if you had one, I'd keep that thang on me. Keep that drink on me.

Yeah, you would.

Pull it out every now and then.

Yeah, I sense—

Be like, hey, I'm gonna set something in your hand. Guess what it is, or whatever. Dude, do you think— this is a new game I like to play with people— is, do you think you could—

I don't want to play that game.

Okay, sorry. Well, the follow-up there, it's, could you draw your wiener from not even looking at it, just guessing what it looks like? I think it would be an awesome contest to have. You had people, and you had like 100 people, they draw their wiener. They don't show their wiener or anything, they just draw their wiener. Whoever gets closest wins almost maybe $2,000.

So this is the thing where I say women and men will never be able to understand each other.

Why?

'Cause I don't think that that's a thought that's ever crossed the mind of a woman thinking about what men could think about.

Oh yeah. A little wiener contest. A little art.

'Cause I think we normally think—

Women love art.

Like it's hot dogs.

Yeah.

Wiener competition is Kobayashi consuming as many hot dogs.

Oh, maybe rich women. They want that Wagyu frank or whatever.

Yeah. That's it. So this, that competition.

I'm talking about the Lord's Lincoln Log. I'm talking about that bun. Anyway, let's move on. Sorry. You have done a lot of research, probably maybe more than anybody on the Charlie Kirk case.

I have.

Right. And I'm sorry about the loss of your friend.

Thank you.

I've seen just some— just you've been able to share some emotional moments over the past year talking about him and some of you guys' relationship. What is the one thing about the case that you just can't get over? What's one thing about the case that keeps you up at night that has you believing there's something else going on here?

So if we're talking about just the facts of the case, the thing that everything fell apart instantly was when they said that his neck stopped a .30-06 bullet. It's so crazy that we shouldn't be required to have to argue it. It's so It's from 150 feet away. It's just nutty.

Yeah, I think that's most— I think that, to me, that was most people's, like, this is a red flag.

Something's not right.

Yeah.

And then I would say on the broader aspects of the case, the personalities surrounding it, is the lack of transparency from the organization that's now run by his wife. Like, that's kind of— people are learning things about what he was going through in his last days from me, Megyn Kelly, Tucker Carlson. And it just seems that the organization has done a complete 180 from what he was going through. And so that would be the most alarming, I guess, social aspects of the case is what's happening. Obviously, last week, the UVU finally released the independent review.

And that's Utah Valley University?

Yeah. So for a year, they outsourced the Lake Forest group to go through the— see what went wrong that day. And so we have been told from his wife, from people, that all of these things happened because UVU did this. Brian Harpole went on Sean Ryan and said the rooftops weren't covered because of the chief of police, and here's the text message. And then what it exposed was that they were lying about everything. And so that's the reason why they've just been attacking me all week, is because the UVU review, independent review, came out, and everyone should read it. Like I always say, don't ever take my word for stuff. Like, I'm telling you what is in it, but you should also go independently look at it because it's shocking of, you know, they were the ones, Turning Point USA demanded that he be outside. And the university said, we don't recommend this. You shouldn't, you know, this is not a good place because there's no— Is that true? Yeah, that's 100% true.

Why did they want him to be outside?

They claimed that it was because Charlie loved the amphitheater setup. And I don't doubt he liked the amphitheater setup, but I think when we now learned that the night before he was worried he was going to be killed, like, and if UVU was saying, you should not do this, and they're forcing it before they even knew what the event was going to be. Their main thing was it has to be outside in the amphitheater. And I don't think Charlie was ride or die amphitheater. I've done UVU with him. We didn't do it in the amphitheater.

Hold that up. Can you find something specific about that? Trevin?

You could find it in the UVU Independent Review, and you could just search it. Courtyard is what they call it in Toronto. The Courtyard. And so when you realize that the insistence was coming from Turning Point USA and they tried to play it the opposite, then they dedicate 2 pages to just debunking everything Brian Harpole said on the Sean Ryan episode. And most crucially—

The UVU report does?

And this report is not theirs.

It's an independent outside group that sits in So do you believe that this report is reliable or not reliable?

Everyone participated from the feds, the local police, UVU. The only people that didn't participate was Turning Point USA. So they had to go off of Turning Point's public statements and they went off of Brian Harpole's interview with Sean Ryan.

And Brian Harpole is?

The security, one of the 13 security members that were there that day. That's right.

I saw him on Sean Ryan and he talked about it.

And so he kind of got out in front of it and said all of these things like we— he said the opposite. He said that they told us the event has to be here. Then we find out, and they put in text messages, emails, and talked like they— there's— it's not like they're just saying trust us, bro.

Got it.

It took a year.

The outdoor location insisted upon by TPUSA for their event created significant protective operation considerations. The speaking area was located in an open-access campground. campus environment surrounded by buildings, elevated space, pedestrian routes, and multiple vantage points. UVU personnel recognized and responded to some of these concerns, including the Hall of Flags outdoor pedestrian walkway above the speaking location. However, the planning process did not include a documented line of sight assessment.

So they had emails, and then we learned that it was Turning Point headquarters that requested this event to happen, which was a major question that we had. Who requested this event so late in the day, a couple of weeks before when that's not how these events typically come together. And it turned out it was Turning Point headquarters, not even the student chapter didn't say, hey, can we have Charlie? They were like, you're getting Charlie. And so call the school and see if that—

So Turning Point approached the school about him being there?

Yeah. They wanted the school typically, because I used to work for them, the students request, they'd say what speakers they want to have.

For sure.

And so then they were making a request to headquarters like, I want Candace, I want Charlie, I want whoever's on the roster. And they try to make it happen for them because obviously we can't do every school. And they— it's kind of like a reward system. How did you know? How well did your chapter perform? This time, uniquely, headquarters reached out to the student chapter and they put the guy's email in there because he's like, my field director just reached out to me. They're being vague, but they want the courtyard. Is it available?

Got it.

So that's a big problem.

But wouldn't Charlie have had something to do with that? Like saying, this is what I want? Like, was he part of TPS, uh, Turning Point headquarters?

I can just tell you my experience working there is like they— the students give all the requests. There's a meeting about what events you want to do. Sure, if Charlie would say like, I really want to do like the big ones, the big 3, like Berkeley, Stanford, and UCLA, we did those because you know they're going to be like really fun events. This— but those kids, they cannot come together as quickly is the point, because they— you're fighting with the administration. They don't want you there as a conservative on campus. They want to to make sure things are safe. They make all of these specifications. There can only be this many people. And so—

Everything's got to be gluten-free, all that.

Yes. So people were wondering also why there was no ambulance on standby. Well, it turns out this report reveals that the president was like, headquarters basically filled out the form. They told them there was only going to be 600 people, and they ticked no on needing an ambulance.

No way. So every single security measure That seems like a crazy thing to put.

Yeah.

That seems crazy to put that.

Yeah, why would you say— would you say yes to the ambulance in general?

What if there's 7 people around? Dude, if I'm even swimming with 2 of my friends, I'll have somebody around just for safety.

If it's an option.

Yeah.

Right? If it's an option. And I was saying that I had never done an event where there wasn't an ambulance on standby, and I worked with them for years. So all of these things, and if they had been forthcoming, if they had been not gaslighting us for a year, if they had been like, we reviewed our policy. If Turning Point USA came out and was like, we made so many mistakes, we actually were the ones who told them not to have an ambulance. Instead, they were on a high mighty horse, high on their own supply. UVU did this, the police chief. And it turns out the police chief of UVU is the hero of this. He was the one that said, oh, we're going to need more people.

There's actually— Have you had him on your show?

No, he hasn't spoken to anybody, but they basically tried to blame this guy for a year, and he was the only person that seemed concerned about Charlie's safety. They never— he tried to meet up with them on the day of the event. They never did a walkthrough.

For the September 10th TPUSA event, the director of emergency management and safety assigned 2 UVU emergency medical services personnel. Both were EMT technicians trained to provide pre-hospital emergency medical care before patients reach a hospital. EMTs may deliver non-invasive life-saving interventions and help stabilize patients during emergencies.

Yeah, both elsewhere where they they talk about the forms and they checked off no.

It is important to note that the EMTs could not transport patients, including Charlie Kirk, to the hospital. No ambulance was staged on site for the September 10th—

Yeah, but it tells you elsewhere why there was no ambulance. And it was basically like, once you book the event, then there's a form that they send you. And the person who was the student chapter head—

Didn't get it done? He—

no, he did, but they said no. So it's like you Why are you telling the public like you're some victim of what UVU did when you guys were the authors of it? And they also controlled ticketing. So UVU, when they say, oh, it was understaffed, they never— when the police officer on September 3rd asked them how many people are coming, they never told them numbers.

But they knew how many.

Headquarters was in control.

But you said UVU was in charge of ticketing.

No, they weren't.

Oh, they weren't?

Turning Point USA requested to be— they did not want to use the university's ticketing. system. I mean, it's a damning report. You have to read it. It's crazy. And it really shows you how manipulative they've been over the last year in their communications to the media saying that they want answers. Why would they not? Give me one reason they would not participate in this.

Yeah.

In the beginning, it lists everyone that participated from the feds to the local police to the EMS. I mean, these people are giving their text messages, their emails, allowing them to investigate for an entire year what went went wrong. There's no reason in my mind that they would not participate in this unless they knew that their hands weren't clean. And I saw one person trying to say, well, it's because there's a pending suit. This is not about Tyler Robinson. This is about the lead-up to the event and what safety measures were taken and what went wrong and why ambulance was not on standby. This has nothing to do with them going into the forensics of Charlie Kirk being shot or what happened.

TPUSA preferred to hold the event in the Fountain Courtyard and use its own ticketing system rather than the university system. Those—

and they blamed them for not having enough security.

Those decisions placed the event in an area that was more difficult to control and limited UVU's availability to obtain reliable real-time information regarding anticipated attendance and crowd size. Um, UVU should have retained decision-making authority over key security-related issues including venue selection, ticketing, access control, and other conditions necessary to support campus safety. It's unfortunate too that mostly for this university, university? Because this is probably a university that's just trying to grow itself and keep it together. It's a place that obviously a lot of people come to that wanted to hear a speaker and be a part of something.

Yeah. And they were told there was going to be 600 people. Turning Point never updated the numbers. And then there's 3,000. They wouldn't give them access to the tickets. And the police officer was asking these questions on September 3rd. And Dan Flood said he didn't know how many people were going to go be there in that Turning Point headquarters control Who's another good source outside of yourself to discuss, to go through a lot of this stuff with, do you think? You mean just independent investigators or people? I feel like the only sources are people that are investigating this independently because it feels like we've just been— the Department of War has been protecting this narrative and lying to everybody, and the journalists have been so dishonest in everything. But I really love the work work of— appreciate the work of Baron Coleman, and he's done fantastic work looking into different areas of the case. There are so many YouTubers that have just done fantastic work. I mean, from being on the ground, you know, pulling the warrants, seeing what happened that day. And it's crazy that we would expect for Charlie's wife, who is at the helm of this massive organization, that she would dedicate an entire department doing this?

And nothing. Wanted to accept the narrative. 10 days later, was back in the office and everyone needs to move on. In fact, explicitly, their team members, which I haven't shown the—

So TPUSA doesn't have their own private investigation going on?

No. They accept the narrative fully.

Do you think Tyler Robinson did it?

I do not believe Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk. Do I believe that he was a part of some broad thing that was going on that day? Was he around the campus? Yes. Could he potentially be guilty of, you know, the charge of hiding clothes, which people said that he was at the Dairy Queen doing that? Absolutely. Concealing evidence and things of that nature? Absolutely do not. He's not the person on the rooftop. Nobody shot Charlie from the rooftop of Losey is where I'm at. And so, I look into alternative theories of whether or not Charlie was was hit closer by, whether or not it was on him, um, and something explosive went off. That makes more sense to me based on the injuries that Charlie has and the impossibility and how quickly they tried to hide the footage behind Charlie's head, which would have shown the public that the bullet didn't go through.

Well, so bizarre that immediately they went and took those cameras, took the cards out of those cameras.

Yeah, and specifically the one behind his head. And that's why, because I, I believe they were going to tell public that the bullet went through because they were going to go with a .30-06 narrative. And then along came Candus, and I'm the one that revealed that it didn't. And that's why they have so much animosity toward me, because from that point on, they couldn't control the narrative because you were asking people to believe the impossible. You're like, pigs fly. That's it. And they can't prove that. So I, to them, represent the complete unraveling of the narrative that would have been fine and people would have believed that the bullet went through. And now they have to say that bullets do weird things and that necks do weird things.

Right. Or people are saying, yeah, bullets do crazy stuff. They'll stop by their girl's house on the way to wherever they're going. You're like, what the fuck? What is even happening?

What are you talking about? This is a 30-odd 6 from 150 yards. It's not going to be— and into a neck of all places. Maybe you could get there if he got shot in the sternum or a neck. Come on, man.

I want to read this theory. This is the one that to me that stood out the most. The exploding microphone theory is an unfounded conspiracy claims suggesting that conservative activist Charlie Kirk was killed by an explosive device attached to his microphone rather than by a gunshot.

If you looked at what there's more evidence of is that something was on Charlie and hit him, and he was hunched over and hit him right in the neck, and it actually created a shallow wound, but it hit his artery, obviously exploded. We then presented the evidence, which was never supposed to be seen, of what the car looked like. And you see just what looks like black shards all over over. And so that's—

So you're saying that— yeah, can you get me this, Trevin? Okay, thank you so much. It should be just a simple, like, it's a RODE, R-O-D-E, exploding microphone theory.

But again, going back to our point about Google, like, this shouldn't be hard. It's a pretty big theory that's out there, but they're just like, this is not true. This did not happen. That is the reason why they put that AI overview, because that's the state's narrative.

Do you think that this could be the reason, not Charlie Kirk specifically, but just Overall, right? That, that's why AI is so important so fast right now, because they need to be able to have complete control over the information. It's a deleting of all old information. Anything that's not written in a book, anything that's not entered into AIs won't even be able to be usable or searchable anymore. So imagine they're kind of doing what was done like in Cuba.

No, just delete a file.

Right. Once it's out, it's gone forever. So they're kind of like, and then that kind of locks you in to this whole new space of information. And once you start to believe what you're only able to search for, then that's where you'll be stuck forever. Like, once they can delete the past, yeah, and all you have is this fictional narrative of like, of this current or semi-past, we're going to be like— that's what they did.

A never-ending present.

That's what they did in Cuba. They got rid of all the books in the '40s.

That's what they're doing in Gaza.

Yeah, they're getting— yeah, they're just kidding.

That's what we're doing the Middle East, just destroying ancient, ancient, um, dang. This is getting rid of history. They want a world where they can control and we're going to live in an ever-present. That's, yeah, that's, it's dystopian, but that's where, that's what they want. But I think it's now being stopped because people are aware of it and having the conversation of what's going on right now. Why don't I recognize Google? Like, you used to just be able to Google that. And then the first thing that would have popped up would have been John Bray's video describing the theory, because that's the thing people have watched the most and people, this is a big theory, so that should if algorithms are fair at the top. Instead, they give you the AI model, which scrapes the mainstream media, which is controlled by the state apparatus. And they give you, this is a debunk. Brigitte Macron, this is a debunk.

Yeah, there ain't no wiener.

Everything's debunked.

Ain't no wiener here.

Exactly. Everything's debunked. And so you're just getting the Department of War's narrative. And so you have to know how to research. And this is why they're trying to get a handle on podcasting because it's disrupted the state media. media. And I guess you could say the monopoly the state media had on ideas. And it's because what they're saying doesn't make sense. I mean, how many times? And in part, by the way, the reason why we got here was because they overplayed their hand during COVID So people don't trust the mainstream media.

Yeah.

You don't get to do that twice. You don't get to now then do COVID and then try to Charlie Kirk us too. You don't do COVID to Charlie and then be like, start repeating The social distancing, save lives, you know, save— wear a mask, save lives. And they're like, 30-06 can do strange things. And it's like, 30-06, not working this time.

Some of the bullets will do backflips now. It's like these new, like, kind of like Jamaican bullets, and they'll backflip on the way to the destination.

Yeah.

And you're like, what? It's a fucking bullet. They're like, no, it's a new Jamaican bullet, man. It fucking pulls— it'll gamble on the way to the destination.

And then also common sense. Tyler Robbins and stuff is like, people generally don't do nothing and then do murder and jump off of buildings. First off, jumping off of a building, yeah, it takes some guts. Just try what it takes to jump like the first time. Just go without looking down, seeing if you can.

Oh yeah, if I even get on the third step of my step stool, I get a little bit nervous, right? Pull it up, see how far that jump was. But leave this up. I want to— I want to read this Road A, this road thing. theory real quick. Do you have that Rode mic theory? It alleges that the wireless microphone transmitter on his shirt, often identified online as a Rode Wireless Pro, contained a small explosive or shaped charge rather than Kirk being killed by a rifle shot.

Right.

And to be clear, I'm not saying Rode did this. Someone tampered with their mic. And wasn't there a connection to Tennessee because they had allegedly—

Yeah. So I have never covered that. There was this sort of mysterious explosion of an AES plant, which did manufacture The manufacturer, the, like, yeah, Acute Energetic Systems was the name of it.

The online theory of this Tennessee manufacturer connection says that if Charlie Kirk's apparent RØDE Wireless Pro unit had been weaponized, the explosive component could have originated from AES because AES makes specialized energetic products. AES is Acute Energetic Systems, which is based in Bucksville, Tennessee. Snort, Humphreys County, Tennessee. The more elaborate version specifically claimed AES had a contract involving miniaturized anti-personnel—

And they did. There was a contract that was shown to make a small explosive. And so people have covered that. And then this, it just exploded the whole thing. What was October 10th?

Right. And then that whole facility where some people allege that the microphone that was—

that are the rigged The rigged microphone.

The rigged microphone was. It then points to a deadly AES facility explosion. So this place, one month after Charlie Kirk was killed, this whole place blew up as supposed evidence of a coverup or destruction of records.

Yes. And everyone died. I think there was only 2 people that survived that were in that particular— I mean, there was multiple—

That's Halloween.

I never covered this because I always wait until their piece of information where somebody who— I don't know, maybe a family member of somebody who worked there, but they definitely— they contracted with the Army. And so it definitely was weird. It was weird. The timing of it was weird.

Yeah.

But a lot of people have looked into this and said, what's going on here? And again, when everyone around the situation is just accepting the narrative immediately, 10 days after, with no questions, and wanting to move on, that's not— obviously the public is going to sniff that out and go, this is not normal. We have questions. So how do you not have questions?

Right.

We have questions.

There's nobody to ask our questions anymore.

They're just like, that's it. It's really sad. He's gone forever. We're going to do this big memorial and we're going to be really happy and we're going to be dressed up. We're going to celebrate and then we're going to move on. And his wife has the company. If you ask any more questions, you should be in prison. You should be locked up. You should be sued for defamation. that's not going to sit well with the public. And so they've sort of come undone because people are still asking questions.

Yeah. And this says right here, on September 23rd, AES received a $120 million firm fixed price contract from Army Contracting Command Rock Island for the procurement of TNT. Some people are saying that some of this order could have had that some of that funding would've been part of— that funding could've been connected there somehow. What is— I mean, it's Halloween. I'm Macron's wiener. Oh, I'm the ghost of Charlie Kirk. What is— oh, here's the guy jumping off this building.

I just feel like if you're not— the first time you just You kind of would have some— you'd be a little more concerned, you know, like, am I going to make this jump sort of a thing? Never been to this campus before, you know what I mean? That's a pretty big jump.

It's pretty big. Was he an athletic guy though?

No, no. Huh. Thin guy, Fisher.

And was he allegedly a homosexual fella or not?

Yes.

A lot of gay dudes can jump pretty far now. I may— I Yes.

I'll just say yes to that.

Times are different. You got a damn— bro, you got a damn fucking—

Yes.

You have a— yeah, I know gay dudes jump damn 6 feet, 7 feet. What is the strongest piece of evidence that supports that Tyler Robinson did this so that everything isn't—

The state's strongest piece of evidence is the text, the alleged text messages between him and his lover. And I find that not to be compelling because his lover's testimony was prerecorded in a way that they would never allow it to play out. It's only because there was this basically hearsay clause that they could just use hearsay.

Mm-hmm.

They could not ask him any questions back. The defense couldn't question him at all. And so he just recorded his testimony and said, these are the messages where he fully confessed to the crime. That seems suspect to me. I don't care if you're a drug dealer selling a gram of pot, you're not going to fully text a full confession. I did it. Here's when, why, how. It was totally crazy that you would try to get away with it, but then also text this full confession. And then Lance, that's who his lover is, or his boyfriend was, is granted immunity for this testimony.

So that means he can say whatever he wants and he won't be liable by the courts.

Why does he need use immunity?

Yeah. Why does that matter? But why could it matter? Let's look at it from the other side. It could matter because he could need immunity because maybe they would, what, think that—

No, the story is he just did this randomly. Lance had no idea. So if he was implicated in some way of like, I gave him the— nope. Lance says he slept through the whole thing. Slept through the whole thing, had no idea he was going to do it.

Dude, I know this. I have some gay family members and pretty, or semi-gay or whatever. And I know this, if one guy is out there shooting somebody or something, the other guy is going to be and milling around, having a Celsius.

No, he says he's going through everything.

By the window, clutching his chest or whatever. He's so sick.

Even when he found out and he got these messages, he was just, why did you do it? It's so staged. It's like every single answer.

It feels so fake. Yeah.

And that was also the problem. It's not like he said one thing like, hey, need to see you, let's meet up. And then he tells a story that when they met up, he told him what he did in person. It's like, people don't believe this. Who texts every layer of a confession? Here's where I did it, here's how I did it, here's what I was wearing. wearing just feels very sus.

Here's what I was wearing is what a gay dude would text to his buddy though. Like, I was wearing this or whatever.

I, I think he did say in the messages that he changed or whatever.

Like, never shooting somebody again.

He changed outfits. It's like exactly what the feds were like, hey, we got to have— these are all the holes, can you just put this in the message sort of a thing?

Zoom in on it, let me see.

Yeah, give us your motive, you know? It's like, it's like, it's like every single piece of it is right there. Give us your motive. Some hate just can't be negotiated.

Uh, shouldn't be long until I can come home, but I got to grab my rifle To be honest, I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age. I am sorry to involve you. You want the one who did it, right? You weren't the one who did it, right? I am. I'm sorry. Oh, that's very Sense and Sensibility, isn't it? Like, I loved him as he loved me, or whatever, you know? That's very, uh, William Brontë or whatever that guy's name is.

Why run if you're just gonna text a whole confession? Why run?

Right, why run? What are you running from? Why are you at Dairy Queen?

You think you weren't gonna get caught writing an entire novel describing where you were, how you did it, what you were wearing, how you changed the clothes?

I'll never shoot someone again in a Givenchy jacket or whatever.

Even down to the outfit, he's discussing it. And so when people saw the messages—

These sandals do not go with murder, I'll tell you that, Frank.

I'm waiting just around the corner trying to grab my rifle.

Is that what it says? No, they You grab some crazy old dude. I'm then interrogated in someone in similar clothing. I had planned to grab my rifle from the drop point shortly after, but most of that side of town got locked down. He's not writing all this.

The drop point? I mean, just common sense.

The drop point to most gay dudes is a place to buy a little bag, maybe, and some poppers so you and your buddy can get wicked or whatever.

Sounds like a cop is writing them. It's like, okay, what do we need now? Motive, right? What do we need? Drop point. Oh, what do we need? Like, we just need it all covered so that the public could not ask any questions. Why'd you do it? Who? What? When? Where? Why?

How?

Yeah. And then he just writes it, writes it all. And so these messages didn't register as real. This is their— this is the state's strongest piece of evidence that he did it.

And then his buddy— first of all, I'll say this, his boyfriend doesn't really give a fuck. Like, he's over here ranting.

That's the other thing. I just told you that I killed someone and you're not gonna be like—

Right, his buddy's like, who else knows? Or whatever. Stay safe, he says.

I wouldn't even answer because I wouldn't want to be implicated. First off, first of all, I'm not answering.

You're right. Yeah. Even if my best friend texts me, I just murdered somebody, I would be like, phone off. Yeah.

Didn't receive it.

I'd be like, oh fuck, hold on a second, I got another call or something like that. Yeah. I would do something.

I'm not even texting back.

Yeah.

Because I'm just like not texting.

I would do this one.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

And that is it. Maybe 2 of those.

There's no way I'm texting back. Common sense to me says I don't know what this, but I'm going to find another friend to talk about it. He texts me, this is crazy. Like, I'm not—

I'm not being like, stay safe, or I love you, Moorsies, mwah, mwah, mwah.

Mwah, mwah, mwah.

Okay, that is— what are we talking about?

Mwah, mwah, mwah. What?

Mwah, mwah, mwah.

Drop what you're doing, look under the keyboard. And they said he handwrote a confession, but then he burned it, or somebody burned it.

Drop what you were doing, look under my keyboard, or whatever. And that could be a euphemism too.

They have the full letter that he allegedly wrote. and said, I did this, but then he burned it. But then he also then wrote it in a text. So why write the letter? I mean, the whole thing just doesn't make any sense.

Right. Why did— have you had Lance on, the boyfriend?

Lance is protected by the feds immediately. Has federal protection, witness protection.

But does it— you can't find him, do you think?

You know, I mean, people know where he is. They know that he's in Texas, but he's just— he's— I think he's the person who was much more involved in this.

Oh, you think so? You see, you think Lance got to Tyler early and somehow even was able to help him get in a position to be set up to where he is.

Yes, because he would have access to all this stuff. They're roommates, so you could get his stuff, drop it wherever.

Is there a picture of Lance anywhere?

Yeah.

Dude, that's crazy, Candace. What if that's it?

I do— that's my sense, is that Lance is— and I think generally CIA, he's much more involved. I think he's blackmailed. He was, you know, troubled kid. He's kind of the personality you're looking for, like troubled kid and like into these furry community, which is like you create an avatar of yourself. So there's some dissociative personality. So we don't even know who he really is. Definitely got in a lot of trouble, was passed around from his family members, volatile, you know, was addicted to drugs, was into weird internet stuff. Like, he's— if I'm CSI, this is the person, the profile of the individual that we'd be looking for. And, you know, there's a whole entire blackmail system. So if you're doing weird stuff on the internet, That's him? Yes.

That's Lance?

Mm-hmm.

I mean, what is even fucking going on?

Mm-hmm.

And what is he wearing? That car— it's like a—

Furry.

That's a furry thing?

Mm-hmm.

Oh, they just said he's been on airplanes a lot. This is unbelievable, dude.

Mm-hmm.

What is— can we get any other pictures? And do we even know his last name?

That's him in the court hearing, like the prerecorded testimony. Which they— the defense wasn't allowed to ask many questions because it was a preliminary hearing. So—

This looks like a show.

It feels like a show.

What are the side effects of— oh, the Lance Twigs. So that's him too. And now he's out. Now he's on Survivor?

No.

What?

Yeah, I think that's just an old picture of him.

Which team was he on? Shooters Twink or whatever?

Whatever.

Was he team shooters, twink? What is even fucking happening here? It's weird. It's Halloween.

It's all very weird.

So it's Halloween.

So it's all just attack Candace for not accepting, you know, ruining the narrative, I guess, is what it was supposed to— I ruined the narrative.

So by, like, by sharing, like, bringing this narrative to light, right, that, like, people think that something else happened. I do believe that people think something else happened, right? Because it seems so— usually if there's a shooter of somebody that's a big thing, the court case is a huge thing where you're seeing all of it and you're like, they're like trying to get like information from the guy and everything. And it doesn't— none of that's even happening. It's almost like it's just disappeared completely.

Well, it's the actual hearing has to now has to start. So they had the preliminary hearing, which basically is just probative, and they say, well, we have enough evidence to move it forward. And so now the trial of Tyler Robinson will begin. And so—

Will you be able to go to the trial?

I'm not going there. I'm not. There's no chance I'm going to Utah. I will follow it. I will watch it live. I will do what I do, take notes like I did with the preliminary hearing.

You look nice in there.

I think there's some weird stuff—

You think it's dark arts?

Happening in Utah.

Oh yeah, dude. I'll tell you there is. 'Cause I took an electric bike. My brother lives there and I e-biked about 2 miles from his house and saw some stuff. stuff. But what's the 2-minute version of what do you think happened to Charlie Kirk?

I think Charlie was taken out by the deep state and it was because of his shifting views on Israel.

You do?

Yeah, that's my opinion.

And do you think his Turning Point USA people knew that?

I think it's hard given everything that we now know a year on and the way, again, their lack of engagement. also blatant lies like Brian Harpole told, it's hard for me to imagine a scenario where no one in that organization knew or peripheral to the organization knew. It's hard for me to imagine that.

You'd have to have an insider, kind of.

I think so. Because otherwise, why not be instantly forthcoming? I mean, again, I'm speaking to common sense here, but yeah, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to hide. So when people if you said, Candace, what were you doing on September 10th? Here's my whole phone. I was sitting at the table with the team. We were working on the show. Savannah came downstairs and told us that Charlie had been shot. And then we stopped every— So, I can't imagine a scenario where they try to go, oh, well, because the hearing's going on, that's why, and people can't be forthcoming. What would the truth— how could that impact the hearing negatively? Either this person did or he didn't. So if you have Candus Owens' text messages from that day at that time, and I say, well, I'm not giving them to you because it could potentially put the case at risk, that doesn't make any sense.

Yeah.

It doesn't make any sense. How could it put it at risk? Is it going to introduce a fact that means that Kyle Robinson's innocent? So for me, everything that he was going through, the way they even lied about that, Israel shift. And I just feel like people only lie when they have something to hide. I do not think everybody around him has their hands clean. And I think, again, that's largely— I've been vindicated on that opinion with just the UVU independent review. Brian Harpole, what's up, man?

Why did he lie, do you think, if he lied?

I don't know. Why is he suing me?

Is he suing you?

Yeah.

And he's saying that you fabricated— that just that—

I mean, there's a bunch of claims, but among it, he stated that I said that I found his interview with Sean Ryan to be unconvincing and that he lied. Well, now you have a whole independent review that says you lied. You have the UVU police chief that says you lied, that you misrepresented the text message, that you weren't even involved in the text messages that you presented. So, what are we supposed to think? He got confused?

I wonder why he would— if he did that, why would he do that? I wonder.

Why would you go on Sean Ryan, one of the biggest podcasts in the world, and think that you're not eventually going to get exposed for misrepresenting things?

Did Sean think that he lied? Or did Sean think he seemed like a believable guy?

I think Sean just thought, this is a big case, that he wants to talk about it. And he just sat there and let him talk. And I'm glad he did. I'm glad he did. I'm glad he did because—

But it seems wild if you didn't want to say, why even go say anything?

I don't know.

You know what I'm saying? Like, if you don't believe what you're saying, but maybe UVU's report is wrong. Do you think it could be?

I think there's some— no, I don't think that report could be wrong because they, again, it was an investigation. So they described in the beginning what they did, how many hours went into this, sitting down, interviewing, reviewing the messages.

Who was the outside group that did it? And we got to get to that. We got to get you out of here soon. Um, Lake Forest Group.

Illinois.

Lake Forest Group law firm Brownstein Hyatt Farber and Shrek. Oh, donkey. Uh, conducted by a consortium of independent experts including the Lake Forest Group and then that law firm as well. Who owns Lake Forest Group, I wonder? Just curious to see who they are.

I think it's like Bain Capital, actually, or something.

Bain.

Not totally positive, though.

I mean, everything fucking Bain Capital is doing, the Charlie Kirk— it's all this crazy thing. Michael Verdin. Verdin. You never know. I mean, it's all interesting. Oh, 21 years as a US Secret Special Service agent. I wonder if he'd be an interesting guest to talk about that stuff with.

Yeah. And so, again, why wouldn't they participate in this? interview. These are the questions that people have.

Why wouldn't Turning Point USA?

Yeah. You have nothing to hide. Just be like, look, and I would've instantly gotten in front of it and been, here's some things that we did wrong. There's a level of arrogance at the organization too that I think is making people sick.

Do you think that they're happy that Charlie's out of— that's a crazy question to say.

Do you— Do they look happy at the memorial? Yeah.

It's kind of crazy. That's a fair question. Some of what they've done has been kind of crazy. say?

Absolutely.

I mean, they look happy in some of these instances.

Yeah. They seem mad now because I feel like the public has turned on them. But, like, right after the assassination, they were very bizarrely happy.

But do they still have a huge following? I was confused. Like, how big's the following that it's like—

No, it's collapsed.

Oh, it has?

Because people—

Are curious what's going on. It seems odd.

Yeah. People know when something's not authentic. And I think they are blaming me for that. And it's like, no, guys, we asked you really basic questions. The whole world was on your side, myself included. No one could have imagined a scenario where this organization would collapse within a year. And it's because of their own arrogance. And now they think that they— we're friends with Kash Patel, we're friends with Harmeet Dhillon and the president, and that should be enough. We're with the president now. It's obviously not enough. You need to be forthcoming with information. You need to be— how about exercising some humility? Saying what you did wrong off the bat would've gone a long way. And—

They're not even speaking about it at all.

They don't care. They're just like, we've got power. We are the state now. That's the vibe, right?

From TPUSA?

Mm-hmm.

It's—

Call my friend Vance if you have a question. And then—

J.D. Vance, you mean?

Shame on you guys for not believing Erika's emotions. Like, we're just kind of getting like the wagging finger all the time as opposed to answers that make sense.

Well, you met up with her right after it happened, didn't you?

Not right after, but about 4 months later. And that's when I changed my perspective, like my perspective on talking about her and going after her, just because she was then doing the public rounds and she was telling lies. Like she initially said, or you could say she didn't know, but she said, I have his phone and he was not worried the night before. And now that story has been debunked and she hasn't come out to clarify or apologize, exercise some humility. Yeah, you know, actually Candace was right that the night before he was texting people concerns. That's the arrogance that I think makes people sick, is that you send out all of these bots and people to attack me and to attack my family, uh, you know, to create narrative after narrative about George and Candace because you don't want to tell the truth. And then the truth comes out and your response to it is to attack a us again for being right. That's not going to— it's not boding well for them, but they're not trying anything different.

Are they suing you or no?

No, Turning Point US, not yet.

Are you in any lawsuits against other people?

No, I just tell the truth. I'm not suing anybody. Lawfare is not thinking, I'm going to crush you, I'm going to bankrupt you. Tell Tell the truth. The truth is enough, man. Candace said this. Okay, actually, here's reality. That should be enough. But when you don't have an answer to the truth, that's the route you go. I'll bankrupt you. I'll destroy you. I have lawyers in high places. I have the president on my side. I can get him to tweet that you're the most vile person of the year. That's the mentality.

It's capital. Yeah. It's kind of just a dark side of somebody having so much capital that they could just keep suing you, keep making you go to court things. Yeah. What do you think? So with Charlie Kirken specifically, there's so much information around it. You've done so much research. Is there any way that the research helps affect anything in the actual case, or do you think this is just for public knowledge?

I think for sure some of the things that we brought forward that call into question the timeline, timeline. Was he in Panguitch?

But will his defense attorneys use any of this stuff?

Now they have to start looking at all that stuff. So before, it was too early for them to use it because this is the prosecution.

Oh, got it.

And they're basically saying to the court systems, we have enough probative evidence that this case should move forward. And you can do that with just hearsay. Now you're moving to the trial. So their initial job of the defense is to just get as many charges dropped. And you're basically just saying to the court at that time, the state should drop this because of existing laws on the books. They didn't fulfill this, they didn't fulfill that, they did this wrongly, whatever. They're not making an argument. They're not actually defending Tyler Robinson yet. Now that the state said, no, there's enough evidence to at least move it forward, now they have to go out, do the research, and issue a defense of Tyler Robinson. And I would strongly suspect that a lot of the things that we have presented and discovered will be used or come out naturally, of course, in the course of things. That's their job. I mean, if you're a good defense attorney, your job isn't to just follow people's ideas. I mean, I don't know if they're going to explore alternative theories, but they are definitely going to have to get into the timeline where he actually was, if there were other people that were involved, other people that could have been— Is this Tyler Robinson on camera or is this somebody else, right?

So we'll see a lot of that.

Well, it's a weird place, existence. Um, real quick before you go, uh, Peter Thiel speaking in town. You know this? Did you hear about this?

Yes, he's been doing some weird stuff.

Yeah, what about the Antichrist? Did you think about— because there's— part of me was like, let me go see what this is just to even see what's going on. But then I was like, I don't know if I even want to be around that Part of me also was like, let me see if he would podcast just to talk, like say, hey, everybody thinks you're like the scariest guy, or like, or I don't know, it's like, do you— if you think somebody is like devious, do you talk to them to ask them what's going on? Like, what is your school of thought on that?

I feel like, yeah, I think you should just ask him if he's the Antichrist.

Peter Thiel draws hundreds downtown for Antichrist lessons.

This has been— he's been on this for years. Just so you know.

Hundreds?

Going across the world.

Oh, I didn't know that.

Yes, he's obsessed with the Antichrist.

A big part of why I'm doing this series is because I believe it is dangerous to focus on just one risk. There's one existential risk that nobody seems to want to discuss, which I would like to add to the list if we're going to enumerate existential risks, and that is the risk of a totalitarian one-world government. But why are you saying you're part of helping us talk about the If it seems like some of the stuff he's allegedly attached to would be the ones that would be the stuff leading us towards that.

That's the point. There's a conflict of interest here, and that would be a great reason why you should interview him and ask him.

And even then, Thiel's host, a Masonic lodge, opened the evening by distancing itself from the content of its talks.

It's like, it's just a lot happening. I saw it and I was going, what on earth? Again, we're at that inflection point. point. We just are just— what's go— like, it's, it's too much.

Well, and look what it says here. Hunt described Nashville— Davis Hunt, uh, a conservative activist, vixen blogger— described Nashville as one of the last remaining regions in the Western world with authentic Christian beliefs where it still thrives. Huh. Um, when's that baby? When's that baby popping?

Hopefully today.

You're lying.

I don't know. The baby— you don't get to, like, to have— the baby doesn't tell you.

Show they cook, man. Mm-hmm. You gotta get shorty, get shorty to cook fast. Get in one of those red light therapy things.

What? You think that'll make the baby come out?

Yeah. Are you kidding? No.

Have you had a baby using red light therapy?

No, but imagine that thing, dude. That thing's gonna have nice skin for 2,000 years.

Do you use it?

I don't use it, but I'm thinking about getting one.

Okay. I don't have one. I've never done the red light thing. I know that's like taking off, but—

But you already, you guys are big.

Are you talking about like, wait, which red light? You're talking about when people just put on their face? Are you talking about the— The full thing.

They have a whole bed. They have— they do have the face one.

I've never done the bed one. I thought that's what you were talking about.

The bed one seems kind of cool. I mean, or yeah, or even just one of them. A lot of people are just like putting it— there's even leggings now that allegedly have it. There's like all kind of bullshit. I mean, look at this lady.

What pocket of the internet? Leggings, red light therapy?

Those red light leggings or whatever.

Never heard of it.

It's supposed to keep your knees from sagging or whatever. I'm like, who the fuck's knees are sagging and who gives a shit? Yeah, just sit down. If you bend your leg, your knee doesn't sag. But yeah, people are just bonkers. But yeah, I just didn't know, are y'all using any— will George massage your stomach at night? Are you guys doing anything to try to get the baby out? Is there any—

Nah, they just come whenever they're ready. It's not that you could really— it's ready or it's not. It's like putting a chicken in the oven. It's either cooked or it's not.

Yeah.

It's gotta get cooked.

Do you feel pressed?

I feel like I have an oven that runs a little cold. cold. Like, some, some women always have kids like 36 weeks. I'm like, man, your oven runs hot, so lucky. Mine's like a little bit like right on time or like a little cold, and I'm just not okay with that right now. So I'm hoping that I'm doing whatever— what I'm doing is I'm doing your podcast, and then I'm gonna go do Tim Dillon's podcast, and then I'll be expecting results.

Tim Dillon is the— there's nobody like— right, there's nobody more entertaining than him right now.

funny. He's just so funny. He gets away with it.

Yeah, he's just exceptional.

He really is.

And he does it— he just, he kind of does it all perfectly. Um, uh, will this be your last baby? You don't know? I don't know.

I'm Catholic. I say it's the last baby, but you know, I don't know. Catholics are crazy.

And if you—

and they're cute. That's what's weird. Yeah, right. I feel like if you just had some kids that were like not adorable and funny, then you'd be Yeah, okay, let's just—

Yeah, it's not— what's in it for me?

Yeah.

I agree. Any unique experiences while you've been pregnant?

You get weird dreams. You get pregnancy dreams, and they are on point. You get visions when you're pregnant.

I like that.

Yeah. Women will tell you. If my sister's pregnant and she says she had a dream about something, I'm like, uh-oh. Hopefully it's a good one. Bad one. You definitely dream a lot more. And that's because there's obviously some association between dreaming and hormones. and whatever. But that is interesting. You start to like— I'm at the point now where I can almost see the future, you know? Get some weird dreams. I had a weird dream last night. I can't remember what it was. It'll come to me. It was a very strange dream.

Can you smell anything? I used to know this lady 'cause when she was pregnant, she could smell copper. She smelled copper real strong.

A lot of women have like super strength. No, unfortunately for me, that never happens. But you will get a whiff of something and be super nauseous. That's for sure.

Can you sleep fully? Do you have to sleep on your stomach?

No, that's exactly what you shouldn't do. That's exactly what you shouldn't do. It's the exact opposite of what you get to— Do people do that? No, you can't.

Why?

'Cause you're on a— can you sleep on a ball?

Nope.

Mm-mm. Can you sleep on a basketball, Theo?

No, I don't know. But I don't know what you guys are doing. You know what I'm saying? I'm trying to think of what gets it to come out fast.

No, think about how you would look if you slept like—

You're just like a Bosu ball of a person. But hey, I'll tell you, that thing will be out in a half hour. It'll be out. I'll tell you that for free.

He'll be out. Exactly.

Is there any smell of something? Like, can you smell a certain thing that would help? Like, I'm just wondering if there's like some old wives' tales. Have you looked at some of that? Probably.

Of what?

Of like how to get that.

Oh, you can induce labor with castor oil.

Oh, you can?

Yeah, I did it for Louise.

No.

Yeah, I evicted her. She was sleeping the whole time. She wasn't there for one appointment.

Oh yeah.

And she was— it was Tennessee, July. She was overdue by a week. I said goodbye, girl.

Bye.

No, I walked outside one day and it was like the heat was violent. You know how it gets down here.

And what do you just rub it on your belly?

No, you just take it. So I took, um, I took more than they even— they suggested 1 tablespoon. I think I did a 4th a cup. Yeah, she flew out. It was my best birth. Oh, I like that. Fantastic. I told my doctor I was doing it. I was like— because he knows I'm like crunchy in those ways, and so I don't— like, don't do it, come take our medicine, our Pitocin, we'll do it. I'm like, no, best birth, one push. Out. Slip and slide, castor oil.

Oh God, I love that.

Yeah, she was out. So she just got evicted. I tell her all the time, I'm like, I, I promise with her I would still be pregnant today. That's how she gets down. So she was the only kid that got evicted.

Uh, happy early Halloween.

Thank you. And if anybody does do a Candace costume, please tag us so we can look it up faster.

Oh yeah, that's a good idea.

I don't know what you're gonna do. I feel like I'm so boring, but yeah. I mean, I would be pregnant.

That's a good point. Pregnant.

Yeah, be pregnant. Be Black.

Yeah. Do a darkish wig or see if you could get ahold of some darker skin.

Go onto Farmers Black.

Dark and Farmers.

Dark and Farmers.

Dark and— I think it was Dark and Farming.

Dark and Farming.

Or it was Mahogany Soil Goddesses, I think was another one. I gotta look it up.

Yeah.

Um, thanks for hanging out, Candace. I appreciate you.

You are so welcome.

And give a hug to George for me, and, uh, I'll see y'all soon.

See you soon.

I can feel it in my bones, but it's gonna take a little— I can feel it in my bones, but it's gonna take a little—