Transcript of #2386 - The Red Clay Strays

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That's where I messed up. I got called a lesbian so many times.

Mustache lesbian.

He looks like Matthew McConaher. Where'd that come from?

I don't know. Might be the chain. Maybe. It looks very lesbian-esque.

Thank you. My sister and my mom.

Not a bad one. It's not bad. It's not what's wrong with being a lesbian.

No, nothing's wrong with being a lesbian. I'm just a heterosexual male.

With a wonderful mustache.

I went back to the comments last night. Oh, don't do that. I did. Somebody was like, Andrew, come on, man, don't sit with your legs crossed. That was just the latest one.

Why is it always me getting picked on?

Did you sit with your legs crossed in the typical liberal fashion? Like the Gavin Newsom style?

Yeah, you can't do that. It was chilling.

You got a little bit of a gap there. The thing is, if you get the real deep scissor, the deep scissor is signaling.

The trick is you got to scoop then. You got to stuff out the way.

Yeah. I don't know. It doesn't seem comfortable.

I've been doing it for a long time.

You were telling me you're burnt right now. You guys are fully on the road right now.

Oh, yeah. I say that, and then the next moment, I'm walking around, I was like, Dang, this is fun. But usually about this time of year where we have a couple more months left, it's like, Man, we're almost done. Getting to be home for a while, more than two days at a time.

How long have you guys been on the road for?

To this year or just in general?

Well, all told.

We started touring in Andrews Acadia in 2018.

And has it been flat out since then?

Pretty much. Just for little breaks? Yeah. Well, We would break in December for Christmas. But it's gotten better. This year, we started touring in July, which was good because we usually start... We would usually start in April or May.

When did you end?

We end in December.

Oh, okay. That's not too bad.

No. Well, this last year, we started in March with Canada.

Yeah, Canada. But that was like a month. That didn't really count.

How long have you guys been together, all told?

We got So, Red Clay Strays got together in December 2016. But before that, Drew was the manager of a cover band, and Andrew was the bass player in the cover band.

What were you guys covering?

Everything.

The good stuff. Just blues, just really bad blues.

Yeah, we used to run people out.

The country.

How did you guys all get together?

I met Drew through a mutual friend. We were working out in a gym together. I was in high school, and Drew, this guy was like, Hey, man, I got a buddy. He's down on his look. He's squatting in my dorm, and I want to give him something to I want to give him something to do.

I didn't think I was down on my look that bad.

Nobody ever does, man. Nobody ever does.

I'm just repeating what I heard. Yeah, so Drew had never done anything like that. He had never booked or he was trying to be a middle school teacher football coach. That's what he was going to college for. Why middle school?

High school, college, that was the goal.

I know, but-Realistically.

Never had it.

That's just where I was going to land. 10: 04.

Never done anything in the business, though. And he just like, What did you say? He's like, I'm going to do everything I can to help you make it. And I was like 18, and he was like 22, 23. And he had us play in in every single bar on the Gulf Coast. And we didn't know anything about the business either. So the manager booking agent fee is 15 %. We didn't know about that. So we cut him in evenly. Oh, boy. Yeah. And so he'd show up and dream drink beer at our shows. And he'd always be at our practices. And he was fully committed. And so he got an even cut, and he ended up turning his life around. And he was able to scoot around and buy burgers and not be down on your luck anymore. Hallelujah. I think that's impressive. You've never done anything like that, and you stepped up and became a legitimate booking agent and a legitimate manager.

Yeah. I just saw something I knew that was incredible, and I was like, All right, well, what do I need to do to get this guy in front of people? I worked for the equipment staff at South Alabama, and I would sit in the equipment room between washing jock straps and setting up cone drills or whatever, and just put Post-it notes up on the wall and just write numbers down and just call all these people until somebody picked up or like, Hey, what's the email for booking? Or whatever. And I just book as much as I could.

So it was basically just learning on the job, trying to figure it out as you go. No experience in it whatsoever. No. Wow. That's a cool story. Yeah. And it was all just based on your talent?

No.

It was what you saw, right?

Yeah, that night you met. The night we met. The night I met you. Yeah.

I mean, the first time I heard you on a cell phone recording, I was like, Yeah.

It's okay.

And then I heard him in person, and I was like, Oh, my God. All right. Okay, what needs to happen here? And yeah, I had no idea. I was just fully winging it.

Wow. Those are the best stories, though.

Yeah.

The best stories are not started in some fucking boardroom somewhere where a bunch of guys sit down with headshots and demos and try to put people together. The best stories happened just like, What? What are you doing? Post-it notes. You just called people?

Those are the best stories. We didn't even know how to set up music equipment. We would have our mains set up behind us, and so the microphones would be feeding back into the mains. We didn't know what we were doing. We just knew we wanted to play music. So we'd show up to these bars Most of the time, run people out and clear the room out because we didn't know how to play music that well either. Guitar amps turned up, and we would show up and just ruin people's evening and clear out a bar. They're trying to watch a football game, and we show up playing Alma Brothers. Our guitar players just always crank their amps. We did have an old man drummer, though. That was the only thing about that band before Red Clay Stray's. You didn't have to worry about the drums being too out, I guess, because he was just doing his thing. He ended up quitting when we started traveling more, and that's when we started holding auditions. We were going to audition this one guy, and And he flaked, he couldn't make the audition. We rescheduled him, and he couldn't make the audition again.

And then we were like, How did we get in touch with John? When would we audition him?

There's an Ethan who was in Papa's Medicine cabinet. I reached out to him. I was like, Man, I know you play drums. That was the best band in town at the time. I was like, I know you play drums. You probably know a good bit of drumers. You know anybody who could use some work? And John was playing in a band called Ryan Dier Band back home. And he said, John, they just separated from that band. So John's available. You should get him for a try out. And I was like, Hey, dude, you want to come play with us or whatever? And he showed up, blaring skinnard with him and his brother in a SUV or something.

Yeah, we had- This is going to work. We had the auditions in Chanel, Alabama, which is up in the sticks, and he didn't have a phone. So he was like, Meet me at the Hardees at 6: 30 or whatever time it was, because we couldn't call him once he left his house. So Andrew left. You were driving the firebird at the time. You left him the firebird and met him and brought him back, and we auditioned him then. The audition went great. He showed up with his brother who played piano. His brother wasn't trying to join the band, but his brother just played with us. Just the first song we played, we tried them out with an original that we were working on, which was a terrible song also. But Andrew and John locked in immediately. They hit all the pauses together. And I just remember still being blown away by that, just how quickly you all locked in. And it still shows today on stage their chemistry. They've got some telekinetic thing going on, I think, because I think the big thing was coming from that old man drummer.

And then that's the first time I've ever played with a real drummer besides my own dad.

His name was Ray.

And me and John, it's really weird how when we first started, we know... A lot when we played in those bars, it was improvised. We're playing covers, we're not even playing them the right way, and we can hit those pauses without looking at each other. We just know what each other's going to do. So as a bass player, your drummer is your best friend. He Even though me and John probably butt heads more than anybody in the band, but that's the relationship.

That is a big part of the problem with a band is that you guys just get on each other's nerves, right?

I mean, just like any other. We're just like brothers.

It's a group of guys, and you're traveling all year round.

You'll get pissed off at each other for sure. If a band says they don't get pissed off, they're lying, or they just don't like each other for real. Something we actually learned as men was how to talk about your feelings with each other, too. Because in the early stages, I had anger issues. I'd just get pissed off real quick.

Was it about the mustache?

No, I didn't have the mustache yet. Maybe that's what it was. I was immature.

You had long hair?

Yeah.

Did you guys had to learn how to communicate and set boundaries and be cool with each other.

I didn't talk about my feelings growing up as a kid. Supposedly, that's not healthy.

No, that's not good.

But John, he would show up hammered to the bus, and I just had to learn to It doesn't just bite my tongue. You're not going to change somebody's mind. Just let them go and talk about it tomorrow. But we all had things we worked on together, stuff like that.

Well, the final product's amazing, and the new album is really fucking good. It's coming out in June of next year? Is that when it's supposed to come out?

We're shooting for summer of next year. We don't really know yet.

The press thing that I got said June of next year. I'm like, This should go out now. You're probably the only one that's supposed to know Oh, really? Well, everybody knows now.

But we're still working on mixes. Hopefully, June is going to be the ticket.

Well, it's really good. And the final product, you guys are very unique. You have a very unique sound. It's very fun. I know it's got to be a lot of work. Whenever I do shows and I show up at a place, and if I do an arena, it's just me and my friends. We just have to roll in there and, Hi. And I see you guys, you got fucking trucks and this and that. There's so many fucking people involved.

Oh, yeah.

It's a lot. There's a lot of moving pieces to keep together. So for you guys to consistently do it and to bang out amazing music over and over and over again. It says something.

Yeah, man. We just had to grow together. I mean, even at that rehearsal, we were like, We got one more rehearsal. We got one more try out with the guy who flaked out on us. And John was like, Who is it? I was like, Travis Patch. He was like, Oh, you're going to hire Travis Patch. But I think Travis Patch, he couldn't make the next tryout, too, or something. Then that band played for a couple more months and broke up. Then we hired Zack and just tried out Zack immediately. He just came in shredding. He was always a great guitar player. And then that's when we became Red Clay Strays.

Who came up with the name?

My brother. Oh, really? Yeah. It's not an interesting No, it's not interesting story at all. We get us all the time. No. We were just in that first stage of... Coming up with a band name is the hardest thing in the world, and we had nothing really that we liked. We had the Dirt Leg trio, Brandon Lane and the Hurricane.

Yeah, that's my middle name, Brandon Lane.

And then he shot that over.

Yeah. And I didn't like Red Clay Street. I don't think any of us did.

Brandon Lane and the Hurricane sounds good, too. Yeah, we're on the golf Coast. I might have voted on that.

I like that. Then Drew came up with that one.

I like that. But Red Clay Stries is great, too.

Yeah. That's good.

You have two great ones to choose from.

If I need to start another band, I have it in the chamber. Wow.

Talk about that another time.

God, hopefully not. It seems like once you got it all together and it's working, don't fuck that up. Yeah, man.

I don't understand why bands break up.

I don't get it. I don't know how they stay together. Really? Yeah, I just I can imagine.

I've had so many... Why do you say that?

Well, because of the internal conflicts, because of the traveling, because of the stress. It just seems like it's very difficult. It's very difficult to manage all these different personalities. And to keep everything rolling and keep all the people happy and make sure that everybody feels appreciated and everybody feels like they're doing their part.

Yeah. I think you got to have your mindset correct, man. And for us, it's a God thing. If you are just chasing worldly things, I guess, and worried about me and how I'm getting done wrong or how he's getting on my nerves, and that's what dictates your decisions, I can see you're going to walk away from that because people suck and people are always going to fail you at the end of the day. But when you turn it into a, I'm not doing this for me. I'm doing this to fulfill my calling that God's giving me. And then it becomes a selfless thing. He who is greatest among you, let him be your servant is what just always pops in my head. It's like, if I want to make this thing work, how can I serve these guys? When we'd have to share a hotel room, all five of us be like, I'll sleep on the floor. No, you're good. You take the bed. I'll sleep on the floor. We'd have to fight over who gets the floor. You know what I mean? And then once it becomes a selfless thing instead of a selfish thing, you're not...

I don't know. And when everybody shares that mindset, we're all worried about one another, I don't I don't really see how you could break up.

Well, that's very unusual. And that sounds fantastic because that's the opposite of most rock and roll bands. Most rock and roll bands, it is all about the lead singer or the lead guitarist and who's the most famous, who gets the most checks and who gets the most attention.

Yeah, we don't care about it.

So where did this mindset start with you? How did you guys develop this mindset? Is that how you grew up?

I grew up that way. My mother used to read us the Bible as children and stuff, so we always grew up knowing about Jesus and everything. That's pretty much what led me to make the leap, I guess. You know what I mean? I never had parents that were pushing me to go to college or pushing me to do something. They were just like, Have a relationship with God. That's really the only thing that I got pushed by my parents. I've always been blessed or cursed with looking at This is temporary. What's the point in it? You can't take any of it with you. There's nothing new under the sun. It's all chasing wind. What's the point in all this? And so that really getting into, well, a creator created you. He created all of this, and he put you here for a reason. Well, if that's the case, what's the reason? Okay, if this is the reason, then here I go, God. I'm going to do it. I'm going to make the leap. I don't know how it's going to work out, but I'm just going to trust work hard and trust you. That's really all we've done.

There's no plan to it. We get asked quite often, How do you make it? Just work hard and trust God. That's the only thing that I can ever think to answer with because the shows we've played and the doors we've walked through led to new opportunities many days, many months, many years down the road that we could have never planned. Then you can look back and acknowledge the stepping stones that he was placing the whole time. Even if it doesn't make sense in the moment, just being able to go back and look at like, wow, I see why that happened. I see why we went through that. I see that's just crazy to go back and look at.

That's very wise for a young person to think that way. How old are you now?

29.

Yeah, you're very young. And when you started, that's even younger. They're To be able to think that way at an early age, there's nothing new under the sun. Like, what's my purpose? My purpose is to serve. My purpose is to do something with this gift that I've been given and to follow this path. It's very unusual.

Cool.

I mean, it's great. It's great. It's a great example for people because it is a mindset, and that mindset will serve you so much better than the other mindset. The other mindset of chasing things is how you lead to Elvis on pills. Yeah. It was my favorite Elvis.

Yeah, dude. That was the fun Elvis. 70s Elvis, karate?

Yeah. I love the fake karate.

Big Elvis.

Where all the people would play along with it.

Would you have wanted to spar with Elvis?

No. Come on, man. I would have been nice to him. You had to lose.

Yeah, he would have made you.

He had to lose.

I want to see Elvis or Steven Segal do some spar.

Steven Seagal is legit at Iketo. Yeah? Yeah. I mean, he was the first American to run a dojo in Japan. Yeah, he was a legit iketo practitioner. Now, the benefits and the practicality of ikido are hotly debated. It's not really a great martial art as a stand-alone martial art. It's really for or samurized to fight against someone who has a sword. So if you lose your sword in combat, you have to understand how to transfer the momentum of energy that someone's attacking you with a sword. You have to be an expert at manipulating their attack and using against them. But as a stand-alone martial arts, not very effective.

See, I thought he had some of those videos where he was like, he just touched somebody and it would fly across the room.

Not really. He had videos where guys... It was demonstrations. So guys would run at him with a very specific thing, and he would flip them. But he could fuck you up if you didn't know what you were doing. But the problem is if you knew what you're doing, you'd fuck him up. But he's a big guy. The thing about it is, it's just no one back then really knew what the best martial art was, so you chose one and you got really good at it. That's the thing. When something truly works for you, you want people to know about it. Ag1 NextGen is your daily healthy drink. Just one scoop combines your multivitamins, pre and probiotic superfoods and antioxidants into one truly simple, delicious habit. I partnered with AG1 for so long because they're committed to constantly improving. And their latest clinically studied formula features more vitamins and minerals for more comprehensive support while still maximizing absorption in the body. And I know I've talked about AG1 for a long time, but if you haven't checked it out in a while, now's the time. Ag1 has a lot going on, including new flavors, berries, citrus, and tropical.

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And now the Dagostanis are taking over.

Yeah, Well, that's grappling. It's been around forever, wrestling. But what Elvis was doing was kempo, kempo karate with Ed Parker. And it's pretty clear that he took some classes, throw kicks in the air and stuff, but it wasn't very good.

He wasn't a black belt.

Did he have a black belt?

Yeah, he had a seventh degree or some crazy shit.

He had the Elvis black belt.

See, I did martial arts in middle school. I did Shodokon Karate, and I loved it. And part of me wants to get back into it, but there's the whole Elvis thing.

He'd never going to leave it down.

Yeah, this is Elvis. Yeah, dude.

But by the way, back then, nobody knew what was legit and what was not legit. Like these thrusts. They're pretending they could hit him and he doesn't feel it. Look at this. This is so crazy. All this, this is just fucking nonsense.

This is going to be branded on Halloween.

This is fucking nonsense.

Hey, dude, he was on top of the world.

He was. Not only was he on top of the world, he was the first guy on top of the world. That's really the important point, is that he went crazy for sure, but everybody goes crazy when you get that famous, and no one had ever been that famous before. There was no guidebook for him to follow. There was no Michael Jackson before him. There was no Prince. There was no nobody. So it's just nobody can handle that fame, especially in the 1970s.

Nobody knew what was going on. He blew up at 19, I think.

Yeah. No way you're going to be normal. Good luck. And then you got an evil manager that's feeding you pills, and you're all fucked up, and you're stuck in Vegas, and he's gambling everything away.

That's going to be my manager. We pick on Cody. You just met him back there. I was like, You're just going to end up being Colonel, bro.

One day. The snowman.

No, we hold each other accountable.

Well, that's good. Because at least now for famous people, there's a roadmap. You can see where the pitfalls are. You could see, Oh, that's Brittany Spears Road. Don't go down there. You know what I mean? You could see all the things that people have done. You know what I'm saying? You've seen all the different ways that you can ruin your life and get caught up in the moment. And then also the fact that you're very religious helps a lot because you don't believe the hype. You believe in higher power. You believe in something that's bigger and greater than all of us. If you believe in that, you will not get caught in this bizarre mindset that befalls many, many stars where they think they're superior to everyone else because they get treated that way. That's the reinforcement they get. Everywhere they go, people are cheering when they see them. People want them to sign things and take selfies with them. Everybody wants a hug, and everybody wants to be your best friend. And you really start to believe because of the information that you're getting. The information you're getting is I'm better than everybody else, right?

And If you don't have a lot of personal insight, and if you're not very objective and introspective, you will buy into that, and you'll start behaving and believing like that. And then comes the pills.

Yeah, dude. Pick yourself back up.

I think that's where we benefit from Like a solo act is that we have five individuals that are going to check each other. We always say the pack will correct.

Yes.

So if somebody acting out, we might let you go for a couple of days, but then you're going to wake up and we have a come to Jesus meeting. All of us have had that at some point in our careers together.

That's great. That's very good.

We always, too, just think about what you were talking about. We think we suck. Like The feeding end of the, I'm better than everybody. I'm famous. It's like, well, it's just probably downhill from here. People, they find new hobbies and new things to like, especially now, faster than ever. People's attention spans are so short nowadays. Oh, yeah. They forget about us. We're on top right now. Yeah, but they'll forget about us.

I think you're much better off being heavily critical of yourself. Yeah.

Yeah. I think so, too. I 100 % agree. I don't ever want to be content with anything I'm doing. I always will have notes for myself. Even after we have a solid show or something, I'm like, well, I just missed 10 notes. Then it felt like a guitar hero in my head when you're and they start booing you. That's what happens in my head. Just like, get it together, man.

It's better that way. I mean, that's going to force you to constantly work at it, constantly try to get better. The people that believe that they're the best already, where are you going to go from there?

That's exactly how we think.

We get asked a lot at VIP, What was the moment you knew you made it? I was like, I don't want to make it. What's after making it? I don't want to just be there and make it.

Making it to me is like the film where the people hold hands and walk off in the sunset. That's a crock of shit. You got to wake up in the morning. Okay, what do you want for breakfast? It's like life goes on. And this idea that there's going to be a goal where you're going to get to a spot someday where you could rest, that's nonsense.

That's when you die.

Yeah. Take a day off every now and then. Nothing wrong with that. But this idea that you're going to get to a place where, well, I made it. It's over.

I'm set for life.

Yeah. I did it. That's all bullshit. And if you get really, really rich, you want to get really, really, really, really rich. It never ends. Really? If you think like that, if that's the thought process, if you're just chasing after goals and looking for this one moment where you can say, Okay, we did it. It's never happening.

Yeah. I I say that to people, too. Just from the outside looking in, you think, if you've never done it before, man, it'd be cool to get a song in a show. It'd be cool to get a platinum single. It'd be cool to sell out Red Rocks. Then once you do it, it's like, Okay, we did it. Nothing changed. It's like when your birthday comes, do you feel older? You feel older? No, I feel the same. It's here.

It's good to have goals. It's good to have milestones. But at the end of the day, I guess the process. The thing that You were talking about, like honoring this gift that you have. That's what it's all about. That's what it's all about. And then recognizing that you're in this very unique position and you're very fortunate. And so because of that, you owe it to this gift that you've been given and you owe it to the people that love you, the people that come to see you to keep doing your best.

Well, we do stray, to play on our name a little bit. I think we do stray a little bit from the industry because our fan base is a lot of sad people, a lot of depressed people, a lot of people who were suicidal. We make music for that fan base, I guess, and you're not going to hear that at a country music festival on the beach.

How do you know that about your fans?

We get messages every day.

Oh, yeah. Sometimes.

Sometimes they email our agents and stuff. We had one lady who sent us an email saying she decided to off herself, take a lot of pills, and she wanted to go to sleep listening to music. As she was laying there waiting to take the big nap, she Our song, I'm Still Fine, came on, and it snapped her out of it a little bit. She started crying and immediately regreted it and got up and called her sister and told her sister what she had just did. They rushed her to the hospital and did whatever at the hospital for someone who takes a lot of pills at once and saved her life pretty much. Wow. Yeah, it was so moving. That's what really makes it worth it for us because Touring is a lot. Touring sucks a lot of the times. If we were just doing it to be popular or to be famous or to be relevant, make money, I don't think that's enough to keep me going because being on the road is very hard. What us going is those stories and seeing how our music at the concert, seeing how our music affects people and helps them in a positive way.

And so I don't know. That's just where we get our fulfillment from.

What do you think is about your music that appeals to people that aren't feeling good?

A lot of it came from us not feeling good. Drew and my brother Matthew are the main writers for the band. They just Our song Drounding, Drew wrote that during COVID when we were driving for Uber, trying to keep the bills paid. My goal was to make $100 a day for Uber. And driving for Uber Mobile, Alabama, sucks. I'd have to do 12, 14 hours a day to get that. To get a hundred bucks? Yeah. And then most of the time spend-So that was just five years ago?

Yeah.

Wow. Yeah. And we were locally famous at the time, so I was picking up people, and they were, Oh, my God, Rick Lee Straze. You know what I mean?

Get in. Hop in.

Really? I I want to talk about it.

Make sure to leave a tip.

That's crazy.

I was driving a Hyundai Sonata, and I picked up five black dudes. They wanted to get in the Hyundai Sonata to go to the stripper club. I was like, All five of you all can't fit in here. I can only take four at the most. So they had to leave one behind. I had to take them 30 minutes across town. That's how mobile is. Everything is a 30-minute drive. So I took them 30 minutes across town to the stripper club. There's some very interesting people at nighttime who get Ubers, just so you know. I'm sure. Yeah.

And they probably want to talk to you.

Sometimes. The worst was people with bad B. O.

Oh. Get in your car with bad B. O. And then leave it?

I'm like a-Leave that smell in your car?

I'm like a germ freak. Are you really? Sometimes, yeah. And especially with smells. I can't get a fresh air. I feel like I'm suffocating. And this frat guy got in my car one time, and he was something. And he was going to Lowe's to get something for a beer pong table. He was getting ready to have a frat party, and I had to drive him to Lowe's. And he had a smell like he had never taken a shower. And so I was just trying not to freak out.

I was just He was that loud.

Yeah, for sure. And I was sweating by the time he got out of the car.

Dry heaving up front.

Driving 100 miles an hour to get him out the car.

I'd pick some people up Oh, people just put too much faith in Uber drivers. I pick up people from the hospital. I picked up a blind lady from the hospital. That's what they do if they don't have any family. They'll call them, they'll get them an Uber. I had to help this blind lady get into her house. I picked up this one guy fresh out of surgery. He couldn't walk. I had to get him in my car, and they got him a hotel, I guess. I had to take him to the hotel, and I had to carry him out of my car and get him in his bed. I was just thinking, what if this wasn't me? Right.

What if it was an 80-pound lady?

Yeah. Or just somebody who didn't even care. Get out of my car. That blew my mind a little bit how much faith hospitals put in Uber drivers. It was very sad.

But one thing I found out during COVID, it sounds so stupid that I didn't know this, but hospitals are private businesses. This is how naive I was. I was like, well, doctors, they go to universities, they do it so that they can become the best doctor they can. And then they work for these hospitals that are set up so that all the people in the city have medical care. And this is like part of the city services. I really believe that. I really thought that. And then I have some friends that are doctors, and they would tell me, no, no, no, And not only that, you're incentivized. You're incentivized to push certain medications. You're incentivized to do surgeries that maybe people don't need. And you have to challenge your own ethics because you'll be talked into doing surgeries that this guy, you I could justify it, but really, he shouldn't get it. I'm like, oh, fuck, man, really? And then I've had friends that left and started their own practices because of this, because they tell you, at the end of the day, why did I go to school? I thought I was going to school because I wanted to learn medicine because I thought that it would be a really fascinating way to make a living and very rewarding.

You're helping people that are injured, that are sick. And then he got just enlightened to what the business really is. It's just about numbers.

Yeah.

He got sick.

Instagram reels will scare you, too, with all that stuff.

Oh, dude, I went down a rabbit hole last night. Just sitting in my bed. I shouldn't have done this. It was like nine o'clock. There's no reason for me to look at dick lengthening videos.

What?

It just popped up on Instagram in the For You section. Yeah, dude.

Stay away from that For You section.

I didn't ask for it.

I don't know what How many videos did you watch?

Oh, I watched a lot of them. I watched an hour's worth of it. It's fucking horrific, man.

Three inches of hidden penis.

It's not just that, man. It's like these guys are getting these things put in their dick so that the dicks are thicker. Oh, my God. See, the thing about YouTube is, you want to see some videos?

Yeah, might as well. We're here. I'll pull up my history.

The thing is this guy was like, Go to my YouTube video and you can see the actual surgeries. I'm like, no fucking way. And yeah, fucking way. So YouTube will actually show you the surgery. We can't show any of this on camera, right, Jamie? I'm not going to.

Why? It's education purposes.

But these dudes are just digging. They're just digging in dicks and it's just horrific.

All right. You know what? Once you get on that dark side of Instagram, usually it's when Brandon sends me reels. Brandon always be finding himself on that bad part. Then he sends it to me, and then I'm 30 minutes deep into feeling uncomfortable with my life.

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I can't believe I got to do this. I got a dick problem. Some people sign up for it. I got a dick cancer or something. The dick has to get fixed. I got to get it fixed. This is just regular dicks that people are like, I'm not happy with my dick. I wish my dick was hard all the time. One of the guys, his dick was 8 inches all the time because he had this fucking tube stuck in there, this fucking PVC pipe that they had stuffed into his hog. In YouTube, because it's medical, they could show you. So the guy just drops his shorts. I'm like, No, fuck. And this guy's get this Franken penis. And by the way, he's got the head of a little dick, but the body of a giant dick. So it's like they took a guy who's got a little tiny body, and they popped his head off and put it on a bodybuilder's body. Jesus Christ.

How do you deal with that on a daily basis?

Well, this fellow seems like he was getting a lot of play. Good for him, dude. He was in the rainbow community, and it seemed like he was just slinging that dick all over town and quite happy that it never got soft.

Quite literally laying pipe.

Yeah, literally. Litterally, piping.

Oh, Jesus, Jamie. That's a banana. That's a banana.

Okay, all right. They're showing how they do it. Yeah. Well, what is this one? This is a fat injection. And this guy was dismissing fat injections. Like, fat injections are nonsense. You need the plastic.

I think I would pass out. You wouldn't even That guy wouldn't be awake. Yeah, you wouldn't need anesthesia on me because I'll just pass out.

And then one guy, they install. Oh, that's crazy, too. Oh, there's legs extending. Where they break their legs and they stretch it out. There's a guy that I've been watching. What is it? Brian, the Sasquatch? That's his new Instagram? The guy was already 6 feet tall, but he wanted to be 6 foot, and he's a gigantic dude, built like a brick shithouse. And he got his leg stretched out like a year and a half ago, and he still hasn't recovered.

Yeah, I imagine not.

But your your mechanics are all off. So if you are an athlete and you are used to having a legs of a six foot man, and now your legs have grown six inches. Like your...

Yeah, your arms aren't going to be proportionate either.

But he had very long arms. Unusually long arms.

So does it look proportionate?

Totally looks normal. It looks like he's just a giant dude for him. But for other people, yeah, it looks fucking weird. This is the guy. So this is him trying to jump ropes now. Oh, wow. So he could barely walk. But look at the size of this motherfucker. So he's got like, this is him now.

His knees aren't even.

No, he's all messed up. That's why he's got knee braces on. I'm sure his knees are super confused. He could barely walk.

What are we doing to ourselves?

I mean, do you think eventually you would You would get the strength in the right places?

Yes, eventually. There's a guy, we looked up this one guy who did it. Remember that one guy who was running those athletic drills? He was sprinting. He was doing sprinting and pliometrics. Some people have done, but I don't think he gained six inches. This guy gained like half a foot. Look, they're going to get to the point where with CRISper, they're just going to edit your jeans, and there's going to be no normal-looking people anymore. All the interesting personality quirks that you have to develop because you got a weird chin, all All that shit is going to go away.

It's getting weird, man.

They're trying to get rid of down syndrome.

Yeah.

Probably be a good idea. That wouldn't be terrible.

Listen, there's nothing wrong. They're sweet people. My friend Shane, he's got family members that are down syndrome, and he loves them very dearly. But if you could do that and they could be normal functioning members of society, that would be a better thing.

Just delete that gene.

Yeah, manipulate it.

They're going to be able to do that. They're going to be able to do a lot of things.

Then we're going to be birthing super babies once. The things usually always seem like they start good, and then they go really bad. Then we're creating super humans in the womb.

We're at the cusp of some really, really wild shit with AI and with genetic engineering In China?

I read something where they're trying to grow babies in an artificial womb now.

See, that's where ethics gets a little weird, because then you're playing God then.

Well, there's something that happens. It's communication between the mother and the child through the entire time. So are you giving birth to a fucking sociopath? You know what I mean? Because this baby is not going to get any love, no oxytocin. There's nothing from the mother. There's no bond with the mother. When the mother's stressed, the baby feels stressed.

Some of the mother's brain, something from their brain goes into the baby.

100%. There's a lot going. There's communication. This is why the mother has to be up on her nutrients because the baby is taking nutrients from the mother. If the mother doesn't have enough, the baby is taking it from the mother. It's like an artificial womb. It's like you're opening the door for Satan. If you believe in that, if you want a soulless, bizarrely unempathetic person, what better way? Maybe that's where they are. They have no connection. That was one of the things that happened to the Unabomber. The Unabomber, I watched the Netflix documentary on him, and one of the things that happened to him when he was young, he had some a disease where he had to be separated from his mom, and they put him in a hospital with no contact. He had no... For a prolonged period of time as a baby, no one picked him up, no one held him, no nothing for a long, long time. And then, that wasn't fucked up enough, they entered him into the Harvard LSD studies. And then so he was in the Harvard LSD studies, and he was... This was during the MK Ultra period.

So the MK Ultra period, they were doing all sorts of experiments with people through the CIA. One of the things they were doing was a thing called Operation Midnight Climax, where they opened up brothels in San Francisco, and they would put two-way mirrors in, and they would dose these Johns up with LSD. So the ladies of the night were actually working for the CIA, and they would go in here, have a drink, and the guy would have a drink, and the next thing you know is like, whoa. And they were just trying to experiment and see. It was also a part of what the Charles Manson family was about. They were doing all kinds of shit with people where they're trying to figure out what can we do to humans if we manipulate them with LSD. And they did it to Kuzinski, and we saw what happened with him.

And Tuskegee, Alabama, with the syphilis back in the day.

Well, that was even more evil.

They were just seeing what would happen. Yeah. Well, it's still human experimenting without them knowing. Yes. It's a very scary situation.

Well, it just goes back to what we were talking about with medicine. There are people that are willing to do things to people that are just entirely evil for profit, for whatever justification they can come up with.

No value for human life.

None. None. And I think one of the problems with doctors, and my friend who's a doctor told me this, you just get numb when you see too many people die. It's a very dangerous state of mind because you just see someone, you're like, Well, he's going to die, and then you go have a sandwich.

We're getting numb as a society of seeing people die.

Well, the Charlie Kirk thing fucking opened up my eyes. I never expected so many people would celebrate that man's murder.

That is evil.

Bizarre. It's just bizarre. Normal people that I think think they're good people, and they genuinely think that guy was a bad guy. I don't think they're right, and I think they were indoctrinated. I don't agree with everything that Charlie Kirk said or did.

I don't care if he was a bad guy or not.

He's not a bad guy.

I don't want to see anybody die.

First of all, he's fucking your age, right? Yeah. He's a young guy, right? And he would go around to college campuses and have arguments with people or have discussions with people, have debates with people. But it infuriated people because they felt like this guy is going against the progress that was being made in society. But what he did not feel like was progress. It was a progressive agenda that was being pushed in most college campuses. It's a leftist Marxist agenda. He didn't feel like that was the correct way to live, and he felt like he had arguments against it. It's a business, too. He developed this big social media platform because of it. Like I said, I don't agree. I don't think some of the things he said, he should have said. But the fact that people were cheering when he died, normal people, housewives, moms, people working at banks, people working at various industries, ministries celebrating a man getting shot in front of his kids in front of the whole world. That's evil. What the fuck is wrong with us?

Yeah, that's evil. I don't know. I think it made me feel extra weird, too, because it was an innocent man. I'll give some leniency. Maybe they're doing a public execution of a mass murderer or a child rapist, something like that. But seeing an innocent man trying to have a conversation, get shot in front of his kids, and people celebrate that, it made me feel a certain way.

It was not justice, but I think people are poisoned by social media. I really, really firmly believe that. I think social media has people completely twisted. And I think a lot of what has people completely twisted is not even organic. I think it's all on purpose that you're being manipulated by foreign governments, by bot farms, and by various elements, either in our government or other governments. And they do it for their own agenda, for their own ends. And it's dark.

There's a Proverbs verse. I can't remember where it's at, but it's like, he who doesn't find me harms himself and he who loves death hates me. If you love God and you can't love death, you can't love somebody getting killed. There's the line right there. There's evil and good right there. Yeah. And so there's no justification for that. We've always made a point in the band to not get political. We don't care what your politics are. We just come listen to our music and come have fun at our show. We don't care. Every one of us in the band, originally, we all have different views politically and religiously in some type of way, but we managed to be brothers and be in a band together. I love a good political talk, but lately I've just been jaded from it. I don't want to ever divide my fan base or anything. How you vote or how you believe is none of my business. We are here to entertain you. I never want to use my platform to do that. But we got so sick of seeing people put politics above humanity. We actually we had wrote a song about it in April in the studio called People Hating.

We weren't going to put it out as a single At first, we were going to do another song, but after the Charlie Kirk thing, it's just like, Hey, we got together and we were like, I think we need to put People Hating Out instead for the first single. Because we've got to stop killing each other over beliefs and Stop hating each other over beliefs. Yeah, it's fucking insane. Everybody's race is different. Everybody's experiencing life different, and everybody's trying to figure it out the same as you are. And it's just really weird now.

It's really weird and it's celebrated to hate people. That's That's the weird part. And most of us know that that's wrong. And that's why, when this Charlie Kirk thing happens, there's a giant blowback. And most people recognize, Hey, collectively, as a society, this is not right. Regardless of whoever that person is, whether that person's on the left or the right, they just got shot in front of the whole world. It's not a thing to celebrate ever. And especially when you're seeing people on the left that are supposed to be progressives, these are supposed to be the kind, compassionate, inclusive people that are celebrating gun violence, public execution. That's insane. That's a public assassination. That's insane.

Yeah. I mean, you can't be against guns and then celebrate when someone is killed by a guy.

Yeah. No, it doesn't make any sense. But that hypocrisy is just a symptom of where we find ourselves. We're all just... So many of us are confused because of the rhetoric online. And again, a lot of that's not normal. It's not organic. It's not real. It's not real people. And it's not what you would ever get in real social circles of healthy people. You're only getting it through this very bizarre filter of just text on social media and videos where someone just talking to the camera, celebrating on social media. It's very strange.

Most of the time you walk around, because we travel all over the place. And most time when you walk around, stop watching the news, get off your phone and just walk around in society. It's really not that bad.

It's not that bad. And that is the key. But most people are not going to get off their phone, and that's what's fucked. Most people are just fully hooked on that damn thing.

You think it's weird now, wait till all these Wait till all these iPhone babies grow up and all these tablet babies grow up. You've seen the videos of taking the tablets away and the babies are freaking out and having withdrawals and stuff?

Oh, yeah. They're being raised with it.

Our generation was probably the last to not have... I mean, we didn't have technology growing up. We had dial-up Internet, and we didn't get that till I was 43 middle school.

I didn't have a smartphone until I was 16.

But you still have an Android.

Yeah, dude, but that's better.

All right, buddy.

Why are you an Android guy?

I've always been an Android guy because I'll give you something. We didn't grow up rich.

That's my argument. It's just to play around that.

Yeah, we couldn't afford iPhones, and I really didn't care. I didn't even know what an iPhone was. I just got whatever phone I could buy. To text people. My dad got me the... My parents got me the little sidekick and stuff. So I've always been on the Android side. And then when I started working as a teenager, I saved up and I bought my own smartphone from one of those cell phone shops in the strip mall. And it was Android. I never really got into the... I never cared, first of all, what phone people have. It's you guys who care. Oh my gosh.

I have both. But it's a weird thing in our society where if a kid has an Android phone, they're looked down on. Yeah, it's so weird. Something like 80 plus % of kids have iPhones.

Man, it was after a show one time. It was after a show one time, a long time ago. And I was talking to this girl. This was way back in the day. And she's like, Yeah, maybe we get your number. And then I pulled up my phone. She's like, Oh, you have an Android? I just walked off. She didn't like you anymore? Green bubble. Yeah. That's crazy.

Yeah, that's weird. Isn't that weird? It's weird. It's weird, but it just shows you how easy people fall into tribes.

Over anything.

What we were just talking about. Yeah.

Even down to the phone, if you have something different than somebody, they automatically don't like you. It can be religion, it can be politics, it can be the dang phone in your pocket.

When the iPhone babies grow up, they're going to be killing each other over phones.

What about the Android babies?

We just want to be left alone, man.

See, this is the identity.

It's a rebel's phone.

Oh, a rebel's phone.

If you choose it, it's a rebel's phone. If it chooses you, it's like, One day I want to get a fucking iPhone. I want to get out of this job. I'm going to get a real job, and I'm going to get an iPhone. But the people that choose it, they're the rebels.

I'm glad I married an iPhone user. I'll tell you that. I'm glad my wife has an iPhone, and we can send cool emojis. Why?

So you say that? I married an iPhone user, and I don't care if she has an iPhone. That's great. You're glad that you married an iPhone user. I don't care that I married an iPhone user. I love her anyway.

It feels like you're trying to be superior over him now. Exactly. By virtue of calling.

Brandon's just like the left.

Calling out your superiority complex. He's being superior.

Just can't win with these people.

Now he's playing victim.

He wants to say it's an American company, but they're made in China.

Well, the owner, Tim, what's his name? You don't even know. He is from where we are from. I'm supporting a local. Now, has he ever put an Apple Store in Mobile, Alabama? Absolutely not. Do we deserve one? Probably not. We don't.

It'll get robbed, dude.

Maybe the phone should be made in America one day. Yeah. But American company?

Well, If they made an American... I always said that if they made an American phone that had a little American flag on the back, but it cost $200 more, I would buy it.

Yeah, me too.

Who do you think is going to make it?

Well, it would have to be a company that start... The problem is the goal of doing that is a long goal. You would have to develop the chips. You'd have to have a plant. Samsung tried to put in a... They were putting a microchip plant in Texas, and they had giant issues because they weren't getting enough. So all of them don't meet their standards, and a certain percentage of them weren't, and it was a much lower standard than they needed, and so it didn't work out. You're spending billions and billions of dollars to find out that you can't do it. So in China, they've got that shit perfected. They've been doing it for so long because we've relied on them for so long.

Don't they have their own phone as well?

Oh, they have a lot of phones.

I forgot what it's called. They have a special Chinese phone.

Well, Huawei, because they were banned here. So Google and Apple wouldn't let them use their operating systems because it's basically a spy device. But guess what? So are all of them. If you're hanging around with me, your fucking phone's bugged.

That's always been something that does not bother me personally. I don't have anything to hide, first of all.

What about your DM?

The problem is not that. The problem is not you having something to hide. The problem is no one should have access to your private information.

No, they should not.

Whether or not it's bad, that shouldn't mean anything. No one should have access.

No, they should not.

Because it's an individual. No individual should be able to look at your phone. You can't look at theirs. It's a power thing.

It's a control thing. But you can guarantee the government's got everything.

Oh, it's not just the government. It's other foreign governments, especially if you're a controversial person. Foreign governments, there's a thing called Pegasus, too. All they need is your phone number. That's all they need. So if you're not using encrypted apps, all they need is your phone number. And even if you are using encrypted apps, the government can get into those. When Tucker Carlson was trying to interview Putin, the government contacted him and said, We know you're trying to interview Putin. We were looking in your Signal app, and he's like, What? Wow, that's wild. You can read my fucking Signal app? Yeah.

So it's just like the government saying, Back off, China. Spying on Americans is our job.

Well, because of the Patriot Act and because of a lot of other things that they've passed in this country, a lot of it's legal. They're allowed to. They're allowed to spy on you.

I think they can make it illegal, and we still wouldn't know.

Well, it probably would be illegal, but it wouldn't matter. They would find some a fucking loophole, or they would pass some bill. They'd stick it in some farm bill, something. We think, Oh, this is good. We're going to help the farmers. And you look in there like, Hey, what's this doing There's some stuff in the Big Beautiful bill where it's like they were trying to sell some National Park land or something. Yes, they were trying to sell public land. That was a part of the Big Beautiful bill. I was one of the people that was trying very hard to try to get that out of there.

I remember that. It's fucking sick. I thought that was illegal.

It should be. Foreign countries owning land.

It should be. They're trying to change laws. That's the thing, like foreign countries owning land around military bases. That's crazy.

That's weird, too. Why is that happening?

You can't do that in China. Meanwhile, China owns land around military bases. Yeah, there's a lot of stupidity with our freedom, but that doesn't mean the government should be fucking spying on you. The thing is, in other countries, they just are. In China, they just are. And the argument is, if we want to compete with China, we have to do what they're doing, which I think is insane.

Aren't they about to start or they already have the social point system?

Social credit score.

Yeah, social credit score.

Oh, yeah. So if you jaywalk and they get a photo of your face. They have biometrics. They get a photo of your face. They know it's you. You think it's ding. Now, you can't buy a plane ticket.

That's like black mirror stuff.

It's just like that. It's becoming reality. Well, they're passing that in the UK right now. In the UK, you need a digital ID. To combat, ready for it, illegal immigration. Well, motherfucker, you let the illegal immigrants in on purpose. You guys knew what you were doing, and now you're using it as a justification for digital ID.

I just watched one this morning, actually, about it was a British A guy got sentenced.

I saw that, yeah.

For however many years for a social-20 months. Social media post. It was about immigration.

It's complaining about immigration. It's wild. Yeah, it's wild. It's crazy. It's the best way to control people and keep them at each other's throats. Bring in a bunch of people that the people that live there don't want there and let them duke it out and then start instituting tighter and tighter restrictions in control.

Yeah, I I see all that happening, and it always makes me wonder, I wonder how it's going to go down here because we are the different ones with the guns and stuff. I wonder how far it's going to go here before something happens, something pops off.

They're going to try.

Yeah, you know that.

They're going to try, and they're going to keep trying. They're going to continue to try, and they're going to try to sneak it in. If it's not for independent journalists that call that shit out, we would be in real trouble. It would have already happened. It would have already happened. They trying to institute a vaccine passport, and the vaccine passport would be attached to a digital ID so that you would know. But that digital ID would then be transferred to a social credit score. And then they wanted to do a carbon tax. So they want to do a thing that tracks your carbon. So it tracks how many miles you drive, tracks your purchases. So it tracks how much carbon you're contributing to in the environment.

It's crazy. And somehow paying more money will stop that. Oh, yeah.

That's what we need to do. You just need to tax people more. You need to tax people more. It's all going to come and make normal in the end. It'll be perfect utopia.

Farmer with cows, you got to pay taxes on those cows because they're farting.

Because they're farting.

Well, how about in other countries? They're killing cows. They're forcing them to kill cows because these cows are producing too much methane. So they're saying you have to kill 2,000 cows, 1,000 cows. Wow. So they control your food. That's exactly what it is.

I remember when all those chicken farms or chicken houses burnt down a couple of years ago. That was really weird, too.

Yeah, it's real weird. But the chicken houses do burn down. It's also weird as they had to kill a bunch of chickens because some of these chickens had bird flu.

Yeah. Well, hopefully that's true. Was it people's livestock, Brandon, popping up dead, too? Bunch of cattle?

There was a couple of years ago, this one farmer posted a video, all his cattle were just dead in the field. They said it was because of the heat or something, but this farmer had just tons of dead cows just all of a sudden. It was going on the same time as the chicken house is burning down. So it could have just been news adding on to news thing. This is what's in right now.

Maybe it's aliens.

Yeah, maybe so.

Cattle mutilations.

The alien thing is just another interesting topic. I'll get random. There's random times where people are seeing all these crazy things in the sky, and it's like a big deal for a few days, and then you don't really talk about it anymore. Did you see that one thing that lady was filming? She was like, Hi, do you know Jesus? The wheels were going crazy.

No, what is that?

It's also hard to know what's real. Yeah, I know. The interesting thing about that, though, is that somebody in the Bible describes seeing something one of the angels or something. Ezekiel. Yeah, the wheels on wheels. Wheel within a wheel. That's what this thing was. And she said, Do you know Jesus? And then the wheels would just start spinning really, really fast. I was like, Whoa, man. I hope that's real. That's pretty cool. Oh, man. Is this it? Yeah.

That looks like a rocket launch.

I can't put my fingers to work. She zooms in on orb and speaks to it. She says, Jesus loves me. She's definitely have an Android.

Look how fucking she is. It's going to I'm going to turn into the moon here in a second. Watch.

Well, that's the thing. If you zoom in on stuff, especially stuff through the atmosphere, things look very blurry. If you zoom in on stars, they totally look like there's some a fucking spaceship.

It's just a star. When she says, Do you know Jesus? It starts moving. I think it's towards the end, but you get the idea.

It's just That looks like a weather balloon. Maybe it's one of them Chinese spa balloons again. Wait, I'm going to play that.

Let me hear her say it. Jesus loves me.

Look, look, look, look.

Oh, you know Jesus.

You know Jesus?

You know Jesus.

Jesus is awesome, isn't he?

Yeah, Jesus rocks. But if that is real, dude, and that random lady is filming that?

Well, that is the weirdness of the people that think that they can call these things in. So there's a group of people that supposedly successfully, they sit out and they have this intention. They go out to the desert in a clear night sky, and they have this intention to call these things in. And they're all silently calling these things in. And apparently, it's effective. Occasionally, I don't know how often, but it's not zero. Sometimes these things show up.

He was that guy. He was on Sean Ryan. He was an old man, Chris something. But people like, celebrities go out to his land, and he's like, I can call these things on command. They'll show up, and people go out to see it.

I don't know about all that.

It's hard. You should go there.

You should go investigategate.

I don't want to.

People will trust what you say.

Yeah, but the problem is I don't know what I'm seeing.

Don't tell anybody. Just go for yourself.

The thing is, you don't know what you're seeing. It could be a drone. It could be anything. It could be fucking Starlink.

Do you have the pay to go do it?

That's a good question.

I can't remember that guy's name. He's driving me crazy. But yeah, he wrote a book called UFOs of God, and I started listening to it, and I'm just terrible about reading books and stuff. So I got the first three chapters in, but It was really interesting. He's worked with... Nasa showed up at his house. Here it is.

Chris Bledso.

Yeah. I watched his... Sean Ryan, I think the guy's name is. I watched his podcast. It was an interesting listen.

And so this guy, what does he think these things are?

They're related with God somehow.

This is what Tucker believes.

Yeah, I believe it, too.

A lot of people believe that these things are not from another world, that they've always been here, and they're a part of our world that just don't show themselves to us. Does this guy have videos of these things? Watch this with an open heart, okay? Show me what you got. Okay, something moving. Oh.

There's a lot.

Okay, what the fuck is that?

I think you should go out there and take him out. Just don't tell anybody.

That could be bugs.

I see that if I look in the sky in Austin all the time.

Yeah, but that thing moving across the sky, that is odd. That's different. That thing's very odd because that's clearly moving.

I mean, you see flashes.

But the thing is, it's like you're zooming in, right? So you get distortion, right? So you don't know. And it's going behind the cloud. You don't know what that is. Have you ever seen the space station fly over? Yeah, I've seen it once.

I've pictures of it before.

Does it look like that?

Yeah, it's really slow moving.

It's usually just one, though.

Well, the rest of that stuff looks like bugs.

Probably bugs.

Yeah, that looks like bugs. That's the problem. Is it like if you're zooming in on this thing, the stuff that flies in between that looks like it's moving really fast and flying across incredible space. Yeah, That easily could be bugs. But maybe not. That's the problem.

Interdimensional angelic beings.

Is that what he's calling them?

That's what it says. There's more.

I like to see some My dad was healed. Go out there, dude. Wait to the end. What happens in the end?

It goes behind the cloud.

They simply come when we ask in prayer. Countless others were healed, too.

Joe, just go out there and see it and don't tell anybody. I don't want to waste my time.

I feel like if they want to show themselves, they should just go ahead and do it.

I think they will eventually, maybe if it's going to happen.

Maybe a lot. Maybe if things get real messy We'll find out.

Isn't there verses about there will be signs in the sky? I don't know.

Well, there's a lot of verses about the sky. I've been into the Book of Enoch over the last couple of months.

Yeah, I was wanting to pull that up. I was wanting to talk about that.

Rep Lema came in here and she was explaining to me the Book of Enoch, and I never really got into it. She's like, it could have been included in the Bible, and it was a part of the Dead Sea scrolls.

The first half was, right?

Well, the Book of Enoch is in the Dead Sea scrolls. The whole book? Yeah. At least part, it's the problem with the Book of the Dead Sea scrolls, rather. A lot of it is deteriorated and it's missing chunks and stuff. The Book of Isaiah is in the Dead Sea scrolls, and it is identical word for word. West Huff was explaining that to a version of it that was a thousand years older, which was the most recent version before they found the Dead Sea Scrolls in the 1940s, which is wild.

That is wild. That's the book that God predicts his own coming to Earth and his own death and all that.

Well, the Book of Enoch is the one that predicts... This is what talks about the watchers in the sky and that these gods made with humans and created the Nephalim. It is bizarre. I've listened to it twice now, and I keep going back over it and just rewinding and going, What are they saying? What were they trying to describe? Because this sounds completely insane.

When you get into the... Because isn't there Egyptian stuff where there's like, men coming down from space?

Stargates. There's all sorts of weird shit.

That, to me, is just like fallen angels. It's all lining up in some way or another. These whatever rebelled against God and came down here, men from the sky came down here and were pretty much posing as gods and demanding people worship them. Isn't Enoch where they teach them about money and teach them about-Sorcery. Sorcery.

Yeah, sorcery and agriculture and metallurgy. There's all sorts of weird... They talk about incantations and then how to get out of incantations. If one gets put on you, it's like- You got to think this is pre-Jesus, and so God has said, separated from man.

So we're just walking around as people not knowing what's going on. And these things come down and they're boring giants and stuff. It's like, I'd probably think it's a God, too, for God's sakes, because there wasn't... Was the Jews even a thing when the Book of Enoch was written?

Sure, yeah. It was- The God's chosen people? The people that argued over whether or not the Book of Enoch should be included in the canon were rabbis. It's all so confusing.

Is there any explanation of why it would be left out?

Well, they felt like it didn't jive with the Torah. I think that's the reason why it was left out.

Well, I mean, when I say that, at one point, The Jews were God's chosen people. They knew the God, the I am, the one true God, but the rest of the world didn't really know what was going on. So they were worshiping other gods. But aside from the Jews, the rest of humanity seeing these things walking around, it's like, I'm sure they would think that's a God. I'm sure they would worship that. What else do they have to believe?

Well, if something did come and visit ancient humans, I'm in the middle of this Richard Dolan book, and it's a very interesting book on UFOs. And Richard Dolan, who's a very objective, scientifically-minded author. One of the things he's talking about is this gene expression. It's a D-Aleal that started this gene. It was introduced through breeding. So one of the things that we know is that it came into the human population somewhere around 40,000 years ago, and that this all geneticists agree that this was introduced through crossbreeding. So the idea was, was it introduced by Neanderthals? Was it introduced by Denisovans? Like, what type of human? Well, the problem is they don't find that gene expression in any other ancient human. They don't find it in Neanderthals. They don't find it. But they do find it in Asia, like in Mongolia, most people have it. The rest of the world, it's like 70 % of the people have it, and they think it's responsible for creativity. They think it's responsible for this this giant change in the artwork that people start producing around 40,000 years ago. And his assertion or his question, the hypothesis, is that it was introduced by some other species.

And this is also part of what is talked about not just in the Book of Enoch, but also in the Sumerian text. They talk about what happened that created related human beings. And so what he's talking about is this one woman that was an academic, I forget her name, but she wrote these books about it where she believes that human beings are some a hybrid species and that we were genetically manipulated to be what we are now.

And I think going back to the flood, because every other religion has some type of evidence of a great flood, correct? Yeah. So at one point or another, if God's creation did get corrupt, that was pretty much the great reset of, he had to get rid of all that that he didn't create. I forgot where I was going with that, but yeah.

But they do all have a flood myth. Now, because of the Younger Dries impact theory, we know that there most likely was massive floods all over the Earth somewhere around 11,000, 800 years ago.

Yeah. I just think about stuff like that when they find this skull that they can't link anything to or find stuff that they can't link anything to. It's like, we don't really know what happened a long time ago. We can pretend that we did, but I personally believe there was an advanced civilization way back in the day before all that.

There's a lot of evidence that points to that. Yeah. There's also new evidence that just emerged out of China. They found a Homo sapiens skull that's 1 million years old.

Well, it's China.

Yeah, but it doesn't matter. It's still it's an actual Homo sapiens skull that was carbon dated to a million years old. So that predates what we thought of as the emergence of Homo sapiens by a thousand years. And that's just what we found, right? They might find another one six months from now that's two million years old. They don't really know. We're piecing things together. We're piecing the past together with a very limited amount of information, very limited evidence. And evidence of fossils, it's very difficult to make a fossil. Most fossils, they don't happen. The animals eat the bones, the bones deteriorate in the sun. There's a very specific set of circumstances that has to happen for something to be fossilized.

Haven't they found some fossils with grass still in their mouth? And so they were wondering how could... They found some type of evidence of fossils where it seems like this animal was fossilized instantly.

Yes. Well, That's not even fossilized, just preserved instantly. Like, this is wooly mammoths. There's quite a few of them. Yeah, they think a lot of that was what happened during the impact. Randall Carlson talks about this quite a bit. There's multiple places on Earth where there's a large number of animals that seem to have died instantaneously. And weirdly, with broken legs, broken mammoth legs, over a large field of them, thousands of them there. What happened? Some an event must have happened where they were wiped out or the ones that were in this area were wiped out instantaneously. And he thinks it's probably some a collision.

It's a mass casualty of some sort. What else can cause that?

Well, not only that, 65 %, something like that, of all North American megafauna died off at the exact same time. All of it around that same younger dryas, same bacteria time between 11,800 years ago and 10,000 years ago. Everything, wooly mammoth, African lion, African Cheetah. There was all sorts of giant sloths, all sorts of weird animals that all died off in America around the exact same time that they think this flood happened. And it used to be just complete speculation, but now they find core samples, whether they're finding Iridium, which indicates... Iridium is very common in space and very rare on Earth. So when they find a layer of Iridium, it indicates just some an impact. Of course.

Interesting.

That makes sense. Wild shit, man, Because it could happen to us at any moment. There's this guy, Avi Loeb, who's a professor out of Harvard, who is saying that some of these objects that we're seeing in space, they're moving in very bizarre ways. They're enormous. They have much more mass and much more speed. They're interstellar objects, and he's speculating whether or not they're alien.

We got one passing by pretty soon, right? I've been following that one a little bit.

Yeah, this is one of the ones he's talking about.

They think it's a spaceship.

They think it's something, whatever it is.

For it to come outside of our solar system on this path is just very bizarre.

Very bizarre, but other astronomers say, Yeah, but it just might be unique. There's a lot of stuff in space they're finding through the James Webb telescope that they didn't understand that... So they had this idea of the universe being 13. 7 or whatever it is, billion years old. But now they're finding these galaxies that were formed far too quickly, after the Big Bang. The Big Bang. And so now they're starting to say, well, this might be an indication that it's quite a bit older and that maybe it's not 13. Maybe the Big Bang is not 13. 7 billion years, but that's just as far back as we can look. And as they get better and better equipment in better and better ways of looking, they'll be able to find more evidence and more information that gives them more questions and less answers. It's really weird. It's like there's a quote by Dennis McKenna, and he said that once the on fire of knowledge expands, the surface layer of ignorance is exposed. More of a surface layer. The more you see and the more you learn, the more you realize, Oh, I don't know. Shit. That's what they're finding out about space.

It's like they know a lot, but they don't know a lot in comparison to what's out there.

More questions pop up than answers. Yeah.

I mean, it's fucking...

It might be. This is wild, too. How much of that we were taught in school was fact. And then you grow up and like, Wait a We don't really know what's going on.

I didn't even know there was dwarf planets in our solar system. There's planets that aren't regular planets, but I didn't learn about those.

I might have learned that three years ago.

It's pretty wild to think that they're at... I'm 32. That they're there, and we never learned about them.

Well, there's also a speculation there's something big that's outside of the Kuiper belt. There's some other planet that it might even be a dwarf star or what is it called? I forget what they're called, a brown dwarf. But that we might have a binary star system, and the star might have died off. And it's like in a far outside of our own sun, outside of that orbit. So there's something, there's this thing called the Kuiper belt that's outside of Pluto, and it's a belt of objects. And that's one of the reasons why Pluto got declassified as a planet, because it is a little too small to be a planet. And it seems like there's a lot of these objects out there. And then they found a couple more, and they're saying, Okay, it's not a planet, but there seems to be a drop off after that, which indicates something that is of a large mass exists. Interesting. But it's a little too far for us to be able to look at right now. So it's a lot of just speculation. What was that one paper that we looked at once that they had documented a planet out there.

They were calling Planet X, but it's like-The Earth-like?

Was it like an Earth-like?

They don't know what it is. I mean, this is the fucking Sumerian tech stuff, too, because they talk about this planet called Nibiru that comes within an elliptical orbit every 3,600 years and fucks things up. And that's where the Anunaki live. They come visit us. This is this guy, Zacharias Hitchin. It's fascinating stuff. It's so fun. It's so fun, but might be full of shit. In fact, there's a whole website called sitchiniswrong. Com that refutes it. But I'm too dumb to know who's right and who's wrong.

It's still interesting to talk about and theorize. Oh, yeah.

Well, the Sumerians had a detailed map of the solar system 6,000 years ago, bizarrely, with the sun in the center and all the planets that we know of in the relative size and the relative order, like the ones that are not exactly the right size because they're so fucking huge, but the bigger ones are in the bigger place. It shows this map of the solar system on this clay tablet from 6000 or 6000 years ago. How did they know that?

Yeah, it goes back to the advanced civilization, man. I don't know.

How advanced do you think?

I think it was a different type of advance, not power lines and stuff like that. I think they honed into natural energy from the Earth. I heard something about the pyramids may have been some type of a power plant because they just found where those pillars go down on the ground so long.

That stuff's wild. That stuff's wild. This dude Ben Van Kirkwick, and they've used that same technology to find this enormous labyrinth that existed, but that was also documented been cemented historically. Herodotus talked about it, and different historians have talked about it. This labyrinth that's even more impressive than the pyramids underground. Using this technology, they've found this 40 meter. It's 40 meter, this metallic, they don't know what metal it is, but there's a metallic tic-tac-shaped object that's 40 meters long at the center of this labyrinth. So they built a dam in the '60s to help the farmers out. And the dam, unfortunately, fucked up the water table. So this labyrinth is now flooded. So you can't get in it unless they do something to change the water and change how the water is channeled or build a tunnel inside of it. But the water table has made it impossible to get into it without doing that. But this thing, because of this tomography, this ground penetrating radar, they know that there's an enormous metallic object from thousands and thousands of years ago. That's 40 meters long.

Are they actively trying to figure it out, get in there?

There are researchers that are. But the problem is there's a lot of resistance from the Egyptian government. I figured. Yeah. They don't want any monkey wrench in the timeline that they've been teaching forever.

Yeah. I've seen one article. They just discovered some ancient city, and it was like they discovered something. It was related to Christianity. They discovered something, Christ is King. But long Long story short, the whole entire project just got shut down, and they passed Allah, you can't dig there for like 20 years.

I think you're talking about Gobekli Tepi. Yeah. Gobekli Tepi, which is in Turkey. They found that by accident. It was a farmer. A farmer was, I think it was a sheep herder, actually. He found some stone that was in the ground. He kicked at it and cleaned it off a little bit, and then realized it had a right angle to it. He was like, What the hell is this? Then he dug a little deeper, and then they called in the archeologist. They said, Hey, we got something here. And then they discovered that there's these concentric circles and these huge stone columns and 3D animals. And they've only uncovered 5 % of it so far. And they stopped digging because they get an enormous amount of tourist revenue where people want to come to the site, and they didn't want to fuck that up. There's a lot of weirdness when you let these governments decide what can and can't be explored, because through ground penetrating radar, they realize that this site, even though they've only excavated 5% of it, is one of many, many sites that are in that area. And the age of it is really fascinating.

Dating because this was intentionally covered somewhere around 11,000 years ago. So that means that someone decided to cover this all up with dirt 11,000 years ago, which means they don't even know how old it is. It could be 2000, 3,000 years older than that. They don't know.

And it's just weird to just stop finding that out.

Well, they're getting a lot of pressure now, so they might start opening up the excavation of it. And they did a lot of stupid shit. They covered it with olive trees for some reason. I think because olive trees are protected. So if they covered it with olive trees, you couldn't dig into the ground, you couldn't remove the olive trees. It was like a way to stop people from looking around. Interesting. Yeah. But now they realized that the olive trees, the roots are actually destroying the artifacts that are underneath. So now they're pulling the olive trees, and now there's discussions about continuing their excavations.

I got off on a giant kick one time reading about a giant. It's like, anytime the Smithsonian got involved, it just shut down.

The giant stuff is weird because there's a lot of documentation of people finding giants, like enormous-giant bones. 10, 15-foot-tall humans. And then there's also the in the Bible that are giants that consumed everything. David and Goliath, there's giants in the Bible, and it makes you think like, okay, is it a giant like the mountain from the Game of Thrones? Just a big guy. That's what I wanted. Maybe.

Just people were shorter and relatively back then. Right.

But probably some people weren't if they lived in some places where they had more resources and better genes.

Pertuitary gland problems, where we have guys seven foot eleven plus.

Yeah, but this seems different. The giants in the Bible and the giants in historical accounts, it seems different. It seems like it's a totally different species of human. And again, if we just found this guy recently that's a million years old, and now we know. So forever, they were saying that human beings... The timeline used to be Homo sapiens emerged 50,000 years ago, then they moved it to 150, then they moved it to 250, 300. As they find more information, now they have to push it to a million. If one day they find a fucking head as big as this table. What do they do? What do they do about that? Do they even tell us?

I don't think they would.

But why wouldn't they? That's what's weird. Why wouldn't they? Isn't that crazy? But we all agree. We all agree that if they did find a giant, they probably wouldn't tell us.

Yeah, not until they did their own, figured it out for themselves or tested on what they wanted.

If they want people to know, but I don't know why they wouldn't want people to know. Why am I convinced that they would hide that?

Well, if there is an antichrist on his way, and his goal, he already knows he lost. So his goal at this point is just to destroy as much as possible, get as many souls as possible. And finding stuff like that that would prove the Bible more true would turn more people to Christianity or to God, the one true God, then I could see if there is some type of spiritual force that is in somewhat control, then I could see that's the only way I can make sense of it is why I cover What about progress? Why not tell people the truth?

I think it's ego, and that might be also related to good and evil in a lot of ways.

Loving yourself and you're supposed to love God over yourself.

Right. Being the person that has the knowledge and the person that distributes that knowledge and is the gatekeeper of it is a very intoxicating thing for a lot of these academics. If all of a sudden something comes along, and this is the speculation about what happened with the Smithsonian, that they took that stuff and just fucking tucked it away.

I don't think they would- Femur bones. They would want to have secretly do their own test without anybody knowing about it.

I know, but to what end? At one point in time- Before everybody else knows, they would already have the answers.

I don't know.

But wouldn't there be a time where someone would want to be the guy who discovered it all and get all the credit for it. That's why it doesn't make sense.

To me, if somebody knows God, it is freeing in a lot of way. And you realize that no government above you or no man is above you. God is above you and you serve God. And if you can keep people away from God, you're that much more susceptible to being a slave to something else. It must be something else.

Whatever evidence or anything that proves that God Exists.

Yeah. Anything that's going to prove God's existence, I think that's going to be the main thing they shut down.

Right. The shroud of Turren is an excellent example.

Yeah, that one's interesting one.

That's a weird one, man. There's a lot of people that go out of their way to try to I can't prove it. But when you get into the dating of the cloth, so it used to be they were saying that it was only a few hundred years old, but now they're saying that the way the cloth is made, the cloth is made that's exactly consistent with the time that Jesus was alive and that more tests need to be done to find out the exact age of it. Because the problem is you don't know what piece they studied, and you're not studying the entire thing. And also the image of it is bizarre because the image of it, you really only see Jesus when it's a negative of it. And they don't know how that image was put on there. It wasn't stained, it wasn't burned on there. They don't know what caused it.

It's like a blast of radiation.

Somebody recreated it with gamma radiation, I think. It would need to be an extreme source of light to do that. But the only problem is the heat from the light would it realistically. They're wondering, well, if light did do it, how was there no heat? If Christ did raise and pass through it, there's also X-ray images in the shroud, apparently.

When you see the shroud in negative, Jamie, pull up an image of it, it's very strange. It shows the lash marks on his body. It shows his facial features. It shows the holes where his wrist is, where he was crucified. It's very strange stuff. Because for someone to do that as a hoax and to do just not paint it, just to do it in some very weird... Go to that. Yeah, that one right where your cursive is. So make that big. Recently said it's fake. They've recently said it's fake?

They go back and forth on it.

The thing is, who is the person who's they?

The Catholic churches who owns it.

What's that, Jamie?

Says they've been debunking it for 650 years.

Well, 650 years ago, they didn't even have carbon dating. So what were they doing to debunk it back then? There's a bunch of people that want to debunk it. A document? Well, they were talking. I don't know. Were they talked about it being bullshit. Yeah. I've also seen videos. The thing is people, I'm sure, called it and called bullshit on it a long time ago. I've seen videos of people have talked about ways that some of that stuff could have been done. Sure. But how would someone figure out that 500, a thousand, 2000 years ago, whatever it is?

It could have been 300, 200, 150, 60 years ago.

Sure. Well, it's 650 years. If they've been debunking it for 650 years, you got to assume it's at least 650 years old. So the thing is, see, it's been dated between 1355 and 1382. The text was the document. The text? What text? That we're talking about here, not the shroud. What is the text about? Medieval document has revealed the authenticity of the shroud that many believe wrapped and crucified was being called into question, perhaps as early as 1355. Okay, well, that means that it existed 1355.

Yeah.

Description, depictions by clergymen. See, it's hard. Deceptions. Oh, excuse me. Deceptions by clergymen. His writings now considered the oldest written Rejection of the Relic predate the previous earliest documented criticism by the Bishop of Troyès, Pierre d'Arcis in 1389. So either way, we know it's at least 600 plus years old, and we know that the way that it was put on there was not stained, it was not painted. It's very strange. And if you look at it like that, they didn't even know that until they came up with photography, until they could take an image of it and make it a negative, they didn't see the face of Jesus and all the depictions. It's like this image right here is like, you look at that, the shroud of Turin. Like, yeah, I could say call bullshit, whatever. But then you see the negative, I go back to those other images. So this is what it looks like when you run it through, when you use modern photography and turn it into a negative. That's really weird that this wasn't, that they didn't know about this in the 1300s. A new study says it's something else. So they're going to have studies forever that debunk it.

One thing that academics love to do, they love to call everybody retarded. Everybody's an idiot. This is all fake. This is bullshit. But whatever that is, man, just go back to the negative ones, the one that you just had, the one down. Yeah, that one, please. That's weird as fuck to me, man. That's weird as fuck that it didn't... You couldn't see it normally, and you only see it when they make a negative of it. That is so strange that someone would go out of their way to fake something. It's in that way, where it only exists in a negative?

They don't even know how it happened.

Right, exactly. They don't know how it... I mean, they're saying they could reproduce it today, but I don't think anybody has. And also, how are you going to reproduce it to such an extent with so much detail that matches the biblical depiction of the crucifixion, including the holes in the wrist, the lash marks on his back, the wound in his side. It's all really weird. At the very least, it's fascinating. The very least, it's fascinating. It's really interesting stuff.

To me, seeing that, I really don't even care how old people think it is or figure out how they did that first. To me, it's like if this is-Not only that, how did they do that 600 fucking years ago or 2000 years ago or whatever age it actually is? I've seen one article last year where they found dirt particles that matched, that traced back to Jerusalem. Like I said, they've been debunking it and saying it's authentic and debunking it. It seems like for the last 5 or 10 years now. It's a very weird stuff. Which is where we at right now with it.

How about that one church in Ethiopia that's supposed to the Ark of the Covenant there. And all the people that guard it, they all get cataracts, and they wind up dying of radiation. I haven't heard that one. You haven't heard that?

I don't know about that because the Ark of the Covenant was when God, the Father's presence was here on Earth, not through Jesus. Old Testament, the I am was down here, and that's what he resided in. And you had to do all these things to be in his presence, or you would literally just- Die. Die because he's holy. To me, it's like lightness and dark cannot exist in the in place, whatever. But God, the Father's presence isn't there anymore, so I don't understand why it would still be messing people up.

Well, we don't know what they were writing down. The problem with all of ancient, all ancient religious texts, let's assuming there was real events. The problem is a lot of these things were told as an oral tradition for 100, 500, a thousand years before they're ever even written down. And then write them down. They write them down in Aramaic, they write them down in Hebrew, and then they have to translate it, and they translate it to Greek and Latin and eventually English. You're missing a lot along the way. When I read these things, when I read the Bible or if I read the Book of Enoch or any of these ancient texts, I'm always trying to say, Okay, what were they trying to document? What was the original event? What actually happened? And The problem is people are really bad at telling the truth. Like human beings, when they see something fantastic, they always add their own little flavor to it. People add their own little thing to it. If they are of a certain belief, they're going to attach that belief to whatever this thing was. So it's no question that these people held whatever that was in such high regard, and it meant so much to them that they, like the Book of Isaiah, where it's verbatim that they wrote it verbatim for a thousand years.

Back when they started out, they were writing things down on animal skins. That's one of the things about the Dead Sea scrolls. It's so fascinating is they had to do genetic testing. So they're writing these things down on these animal skins, and they had to make sure that the skin of this one is the same cow as the skin of this one. So if they do genetic testing to make sure it's the same cow skin. So, okay, we got all this skin from this cow, and it's in this group of text. So start decoding it.

That's an interesting way of doing it. That's wild. It's wild. I would have never thought of that.

Like West Huff said, how they used to write things. They'd leave stuff out back then because it wasn't required back then. They would just write down the basics. I watched that West Huff thing, and that was very interesting. Very.

He's fascinating.

He's brilliant, man. I've watched a bunch of stuff on him.

Very, very brilliant. But it's also, again, what were they trying to document? There's clearly Something was going on back then. Something happened.

Did you ever read that story? It was somewhere in the Bible. I can't remember where it's in the Old Testament. Somebody stole the Ark. Some tribes stole the Ark, and the next day, the next morning, everybody was dead from stealing the Ark, and they pretty much said, Hey, come get this thing, take it back. We don't want it.

That's what people believe is in this church in Ethiopia, because there's these Ethiopian Jews who also their Bible is the Book of Enoch.

Yeah. Do we have an image of this?

No, you can't see it. Nobody can get. I say send in the seals. What the fuck is in there, bro? Put these guys in hazmat suits and let's get to the bottom of this.

If the US knows you got it, it's going to be ours.

Well, Yeah, you would imagine.

We're going to take it.

I'd like to see- Or they might not know at all.

Well, what would happen with remote viewers? If remote viewing is real, get remote viewers in a room.

We have talked about that.

My brother is big on... He went down a remote viewing rabbit hole. He was big on it.

I thought it was A hundred % horseshit about ten years ago. What about the submarine? Over time. Oh, yeah, no, the submarine is big. The one that they found the Soviet submarine that they were building, they knew the exact location. Not just that. Remote viewers found a downed aircraft that was in Siberia. They located it within a three-mile radius. They found it. They knew where it was. The United States went in and got it before the Soviet Union could.

Using remote viewers.

Yeah, using remote viewers. They've got actionable information from remote viewers, allegedly.

To me, it feels like it's just to scare the Soviets. Like, oh, we got people with superpowers. We know where the submarine is.

Or they're doing it, too.

Or they're doing it, too.

Or is this something that people realize that there is a developing aspect of human consciousness or an aspect of human consciousness that used to exist that we forgot, that we don't know how to do anymore. One of those things.

Yeah, that's an interesting concept.

It is because the remote view You were thinking, they spent a fuckload of money on that, and they kept that program going on for a long, long time. I don't know what they discovered or what they didn't. Unless you're in the room with the people that have the top, top, top secret information, who knows?

That whole Cold War time is also just wild. I see why we would have faked a lot of stuff on both sides. Oh, for sure. It's just a big bluff game of we can do this, we have this.

Andy I just started believing in us getting to the moon.

Well, once we went to-That was just recently. Yeah, once we went to NASA in Texas, but also that documentary, the other footage that came out, I don't really know. I could see why we would fake it. I mean, it's Soviets.

Yeah, I can see why we could fake it.

We want to beat them? That's the US government. We'd fake a lot of... Fake anything. Let's go ahead.

I'm sorry. No, go ahead. I was saying for a while, though, before that documentary came out, the story, Well, we lost the footage. We lost all of it. It's like, did they just wait for technology technology to progress, to be able to make a convincing documentary?

Well, they definitely lost the footage. They lost all the original copies of the film. So all the original film was gone. What you're seeing is just copies of copies. They also lost the telemetry data, which is a real problem. That's the hard data, the binary data that shows the distance in the craft and how far it was. It just seems fake. It seems fake when you watch it. That's what's weird to me. It seems totally hokey. It looks fake as shit. And then the weird one for me is the Apollo 11 post-flight press conference. Those guys look like a hostage video. It doesn't look real at all. And then there's Neil Armstrong, who gave that very bizarre cryptic speech at the 25th anniversary of the Apollo Moon landing. There's a lot of weirdness to them. And the fact that we haven't been back. There's not a single thing that's not cheaper, easier, and faster to reproduce from 1969 in 2025, except the Moon landing.

Yeah, it's just weird. If it is true, I've seen a video of something that was supposedly livestreamed on the news back then, and it was just this guy who was obviously hanging from a cable, and he had this pathetic-looking Earth under him. It's not at all what actual space looks like now, but this was on the news, apparently.

Well, that's probably not real. That's probably an artist's rendition or a recreation. But how about the phone call? Nixon is calling the guys from the, Hey, fellows, I hear you're on We're on the moon. Yes, sir. We're on the moon. I can't even get fucking cell phone service in my bathroom.

What else is- What's their explanation for how- Retroreflectors?

How those reflectors got up there? Well, first of all, the Russians put reflectors as well. So you can definitely remotely place reflectors. The other problem is the moon itself reflects. So there's a lot of weird arguments about that. I could see how you could say, Oh, there's reflectors, and that would indicate that people were there.

But Show us the flag. Can we point James Webb over there?

No, no, no, no. That's deep space. It's a different thing. You'd have to get a different technology just to zoom in on the moon, and they would go, Why would we do that? Why we spend billions and billions of dollars to prove something that rational people think definitely happened.

It's a lot of people that would have to hold a secret, too.

Not really. You don't think so? No, because it's compartmentalized. It's compartmentalized. The only people that would really need to know are the people who made the footage, the people that are involved in the film and the actual astronauts themselves. Everybody else, you're getting fed data.

Okay? Yeah, you think they would believe that it's happening.

Yeah. Not only that, the first time when Apollo 11 happened, they weren't allowed to get a direct feed from NASA. So what they did was they used a projection screen, and then all the news cameras pointed their cameras at the projection screen. That's why it looks like shit. Like the first, the Paul 11 video looks so bad, but it seems like that was on purpose. They made it look like shit on purpose.

Interesting.

If you wanted to gain technological and ethical and moral superiority over the evil communists, you could see why you would make some a rationalization, why you should fake that we have the ability to go to the moon. Because the ability to go to the moon is not just scientific, it's military. It's a military might. We have the best rockets, we have the best this, we have the best, we got the best, we went to the moon. We definitely did it. It just makes sense that they would fake it.

The blow of Sputnik flying over the United States, everybody could see it. It's like, we can put this right above your country. That was a flex.

I'm just saying if they were giving people LSD in brothels, I could see them faking the moon.

Yeah, 100%. Most of the history- I'm not 100% believe what you're saying.

Most of the United States history is full shit, at least some aspect of it. Look, what got us into the Vietnam War, Gulf of Tonka never happened. Full shit. False flag event. All throughout the United States history in the 1960s, during the same time where they were supposedly going to the moon, they lied constantly at every fucking turn, at every turn.

And who's to say they're not still doing that?

It was easier. It was hard to trust.

They are. They 100% are. Look, I know people in government that will tell you, they'll put your phone down, let's go for a walk, and they'll tell you. And you're like, What?

That would be, that I want that.

Those conversations are strange.

One of my favorite thing is the pizza ordering at the Pentagon. When shit starts to go down, the spike in pizza ordering because people are working late. Interesting. Very weird. It just spiked. I saw, I think a couple of weeks ago because I brought it up. I got a notification. It's like pizza spike.

I know. People started to think we're going to war.

It was at a high that was like the Panama stuff, Vietnam high.

Isn't that funny? It's pizza deliveries. This is what freaks everybody out. They're working late.

They're working late. They're ordering pizza. Now, they just call it all the generals together. Have you seen that?

Yeah, had Seth did. But supposedly, what they're doing is they want to get all the generals together and give them some a moral and ethical mandate. Like, preparedness, this is what we want the military to be. No more beards and stuff. No more fucking politics. No more identity politics and bullshit. The most important thing is be ready. Be ready, have the best, most capable military that's humanly possible, given the resources that we have today. This is where our goal is. This is where our job is.

And they needed to call everybody together to do that.

Well, you saw what the fuck was going on over the last four years. You got guys in dresses talking about how it's really important to have inclusiveness. It's the most important thing about the military is inclusivity. We had crazy people that were in charge of very important positions, including that guy that was stealing women's clothes. That guy was in charge of fucking nuclear waste, and he's running around stealing people's The panty raid. With a lipstick and a bald head. Not just stealing, but he stole this one lady who was a famous designer. It was a one-off dress, and then he wore it. That's how he got busted. He wore it to some event, and the lady was like, Hey, motherfucker, that's mine. Someone stole that shit from the airport, and that's how he got busted.

This is a South Park episode.

Yeah, it is a South Park episode. Is it?

Is it a South Park episode? No, we live in a South Park episode.

Yeah, we do.

It's getting wild, man.

It is wild, but it's always been wild. This is one of the good things about Trump being elected in Trump in office is it threw a... Because they didn't want imp to be the President, and it threw a monkey wrench into all these things that they were doing. You get to see a lot of these people scramble, and you get to see like, Oh, there's so much. All the DOGE stuff where they uncovered all these NGOs.

That was crazy.

There's an NGO for, I think it's every 600 people in India. You know how crazy that is? There's a non-government organization for every, I think it's like five or 600 people in India. There's like millions of them. It doesn't make any sense. It's crazy. It's like, what are you doing? What are you doing? Elon explained it to me, too. He said, what you would do is you would make this nonprofit and you would call this, you'd put a bunch of money into it. So you put $10 million, relatively small to them, $10 million this thing and call it Agency for Peace, Center for Peace, whatever it is. And then that becomes a non-government organization. And then you get politicians to dump tons of money into this NGO. Then through this NGO, you profit.

It's like a show company. Yeah.

There's a ton of those. There's so many of them. They couldn't even keep track of them. The more they dug into it, the more they started calling Elon a Nazi, and it just got wild.

They don't like when the elites don't like when the curtains pulled back.

Well, that was the curtain being pulled back. That was the curtain being pulled back in a way that most people were not aware. When I brought Mike Benz in, and Mike Benz laid it all out, and he was explaining that what USAID was for was the things that were too dirty for the CIA to get involved in. A lot of it was like regime change operations. It was like outlining all these different regime change operations that were all being paid for, and then your tax dollars being dumped into these NGOs, and then people are pulling money out of it, billions of dollars.

That's the world's piggy bank.

Why did they stop digging? Are they still digging? Well, I don't know. Because I know Elon's not in the White House anymore.

It was supposed to be a temporary thing.

But it just seems like it all just stopped.

Well, you don't hear about it anymore. That's true. But I think it was real problematic. They did shut down USAID, and they turned Elon into a fucking Nazi. I mean, how many fucking Teslas got keyed and tires got slashed, and his business was really troubled by it. And so he's like, I'm done. I'm stepping away. You guys, you didn't follow my instructions. You didn't follow my recommendations. So what can I do? You're ruining my life. So I'm just going to back out of this.

Go back to building rockets.

So he's just going back to building rockets. The thing is, they didn't even care that he rescued those people from the fucking space station, which was wild. No one wanted to give him credit. No one wanted to say thank you. They're like, No, he's a Nazi. People I know were calling him a Nazi because he spazzed out and went, My heart goes to you.

Oh, yeah. We make fun of that all the time. It's crazy. Yeah. Someone just took a still image.

The guy literally has a chain around his neck that was given to him by one of the mothers of one of the hostages in Israel that says, Bring them all home. Yeah. He wears it on his neck. That's what a Nazi does? Are you fucking kidding me? You think he's a Nazi? There's no evidence that he's a Nazi other than one hand movement. Yeah. That's it?

Well, it's like the whole rights being called Nazis. Why are we throwing that word around?

That word doesn't mean anything when everybody's a Nazi. It's so stupid. It's just they overplayed that hand.

It started off being pretty strong and having a lot of weight, but now it's just like they use it all the time.

Everybody's a Nazi, and then if you're not, you're a Communist. I mean, This is a real. Everything's so extreme right now.

Then Nazis are real, too. That's the part of the problem. When you call everybody a Nazi, well, the problem is that word gets overused, and now legitimate Nazis can just operate with impunity. They're real. There's legit a Nazi's out there.

Yeah. Then they wouldn't even really know what a Nazi is at that point.

It's squirrely. It's squirrely as fuck. The government just is too big. It's too big. There's too much going on, and you can only do so much to make it effective. So this administration has four years, and who knows what they're going to be able to get done or not get done. There's a lot of things they're doing that make people very upset, like all the ICE stuff and the raids and-Do you see Ice Cube's bus, tour bus?

Have you seen that? No. They burnt his bus down.

Portland, the Antifa people burnt ICE Cubes. Ice Cubes, tour bus. Because they thought it was the ICE bus.

They thought it was the ICE bus? Yes.

You haven't seen this? No. Oh, yeah. I didn't mean to interrupt you on it, but it just hit me. I saw that a couple of days ago.

It's so stupid. It's so stupid.

Yeah, burned it to the ground.

Is there a reaction video?

I would love to see Ice Cube's reaction.

Bro, Portland is wild. Oh, yeah. You guys are in Portland at all?

Yeah, we've done it. We actually had a good show there, but when you walk around-Oh, the people were so happy. It is zombie Apocalypse. We were just another one in San Francisco. First time for us going to San Francisco was about a month ago, and we were in whatever they call the Tenderloin, and it is a mad house. There's people blowing up fireworks, some homeless people blowing up these fireworks in the middle of the night on the street. Me and Drew is just watching them out the window. We're watching crime happen.

Yeah, San Francisco is pretty buck wild. Then the mayor came out and said, We're making a declaration. No one can sleep on the street. You can no longer loiter. You can only do that. Then go look at San Francisco right now. It's exactly the same.

It's just talk. Is San Francisco where they cleaned up?

The Chinese President. Yes.

Because Xi Jinping was in town. And then Gavin Newsom said, Well, when you have visitors over, you clean up your house. Bitch, why don't you just keep your fucking house clean? Why you got shit on your floor?

A hundred %.

Human shit all over your streets.

Yeah, man. That's the questions that everybody needs to be asking.

But this is the question. It's possible. If I wanted to ruin society and get it to a point where everybody... You needed to control things because it got so chaotic that you can institute some a digital ID and institute social credit score. That's how you would do it. I'm not saying that that's what they're doing, but that's how I would do it. What I would do is I would just let people out of jail the moment they do anything, let them camp on the streets, give them money for drugs, just let them just let it go crazy and then have everybody scrambling, please take away our freedom to give us safety. And then boom.

Well, you can't blame people for asking these kinds of questions when you go to other countries and it's safe to walk around at night. And it's a pretty clean city. It's like, why don't we have this? You can't blame a society for asking those kinds of questions from their leaders. Why are you aligned? And why did you just clean up for a foreign government to come visit, which is cool or whatever, but you proved that you could.

Yeah.

And then why don't we just have that all the time? I think there needs to be more stuff directed towards mental health. A lot of those homeless people and people on drugs, some of them are mentally ill.

100 %.

But we don't have any treatment for people like that, hardly.

Well, it all skyrocketed during the Reagan administration because they It means the laws in terms of what you're supposed to do when someone's mentally ill. And they just like, let them loose. Let's stop paying for it.

Yeah. We don't have insane asylums anymore or anything.

But then again, you hear stories about insane asylums.

That's not good either. We would hope we'd have some good ones.

But it's just like some people are out there with no family. Right. Their family died when they were 18, and they're not mentally able to function in society. They've been homeless for 20 years. 100 %. We need a place for people like that. Yes, 100 %.

I have a very, very close family member right now that's homeless and mentally ill. And that's all I want, man, is for people to... I don't know what needs to happen, but We need to get these people help.

100 %. Yeah, 100 %. And that should be something that we do spend money on.

I want the text dollars to go to something like that.

Yeah, 100 %. Everybody, right or left. Everybody would. You want people to get a chance. I mean, the best stories ever are people that they were in the gutter, like living on the streets. And now all of a sudden, they're helping people. They run some a nonprofit food kitchen, and they're helping people get clean, and they found life's purpose, and running, whether it is some a religious class or something that gives people hope and gives people something that they can tell you, Hey, I used to be where you are, and now I'm not, and now I'm helping people. Right or left, this divide that we have in this country, most of it's bullshit, and most of it is engineered. It's engineered to keep us at each other's throat so they can keep getting away with all this nonsense.

And we keep eating it up.

Oh, yeah. And doubling down.

It could be like if the President said, don't go buy or something about bananas. Everybody should have a banana today. The left would never eat another banana. Look at this Tylenol thing. Or the Tylenol thing.

Look at this Tylenol said in 2017, we actually don't recommend you take our product. But to see people 2017, they said.

Well, not only that, two years ago, Johnson & Johnson separated from Tylenol. Tylenol became its own company. Oh, they didn't know that. Which is probably like they saw it coming down the pipe and they're like, Hey, maybe.

We're jumping. All about the money.

Here's what's really crazy A lot of fucking crazy leftist women started taking Tylenol to own JFK or RFK Jr. And Trump. A bunch of them died of liver toxicity. Because they took too much.

I knew it was going to happen. A friend of mine. It was full of TikTok. Pregnant women just taking Tylenol just out of spite.

It's crazy.

Why let something dictate your life that much?

Because a lot of people are nuts, man. A lot of people just don't have any critical thinking skills, and they're in a cult.

Then you find a hop.

They're in a cult. Whether they're in a MAGA cult or they're in a leftist cult, they're in a fucking cult. Yeah, I agree. And they're all in on one side or the other side. And I think humanity exists in the middle. And humanity exists in the middle where you're supposed to be able to talk about ideas is. And you're supposed to say, well, what's a good for just overall society, like mental health institutions, like giving people some a chance to become a productive member of society? There's a lot of things that we all agree on. We need to find common ground instead of fighting, instead of polarizing people. And this is one of the problems that I have with this administration is that they're really good at pointing fingers at the other side and polarizing. And really bad at uniting us all and not attacking the other side and just uniting us and bringing us together.

What was the last administration that was good at uniting, in your opinion? Or has it always been a device?

It's always been like that. But maybe the Clinton administration, maybe the first one.

Yeah. Maybe Clinton. Pushed 9/11.

Yeah, Bullish 911.

But boy. On the same team for at least a year.

He was pretty divisive.

He was super divisive before that. That's for damn sure.

It was an outside influence.

But it's also what did they do with that unitedness? They forced us into a war over a bullshit premise. I mean, that just shows you what they're really willing to do if they have everybody's will. If they have everybody on their side like, Okay, great. Let's invade Iraq. Let's lie about weapons and massacres. The war on terrorism. Exactly.

They go anywhere with that.

Nuclear weapons.

That's what I have to do. They hate us for our freedom. Oh, no. I'm going to go, Fuck them up.

And take their oil.

Yeah, exactly. It's crazy, but we always fall for it. And hopefully, we fall for it less and less every year. But it doesn't seem like it when you see pregnant ladies chewing Tylenol.

Yeah, we're in a crazy time.

Again, that's what the song touches on. We're actually going to put it third because of it.

I listened to it in the gym today.

To People Hating? Yeah.

You like it? I love it. I love the whole album. It's really great.

Just jaded on it, man. It's hard people dating each other.

Oh, it's sick. It's sick and it's unnecessary. And you don't get much time, folks. You don't get much time in this life. You get 100 years if you're lucky, and you're going to waste it fighting ideological battles on Twitter and Facebook. Like, what are you doing? You're trapped. You're trapped on your phone. You're trapped checking to see how people are engaging with latest outrage tweet.

I cannot, dude. Good for you. I cannot look at the comments. I think I learned that from you.

Posting Ghost.

Posting Ghost, baby.

I've seen some of these things, and I know it's all bullshit. Somebody's just coming on here to rile me up.

But David36907. Yeah. It's so many of them.

On the inside, it gets to you a little bit. Oh, yeah. And I just don't...

Not me, sir.

Rather than not.

He loves it.

I eat it up, son. Keep doing it. Yeah, I don't care. Really? I wouldn't be doing this if I cared about people's opinion. You know what I mean?

But you do care about good people's opinions. Yeah. People that I love people.

You just don't care about the negative opinions? I don't care about the negative opinions because I'm I'm doing it for God, pretty much. But I mean, anytime I post a cover song, sorry, not whaling. Sorry, nobody will ever be George Jones. Wasn't trying to be. Just singing a song. It's not that deep.

Johnny Cash will never be Nine Inch Nails. He made it hurt. It's just a different thing, man. You can enjoy it without saying that. But there's a lot of people that are just negative. And it's why? It's because their life sucks. Do you think Michael Jordan leaves YouTube comments? No. Because he's a fucking winner. You know what I mean? That's really what it is. A lot of our society, their main contribution is bitching. That's what they spend most of their energy on.

We want to keep it about music, man. Good for you, man. A lot of drama in the world. Somebody just tried to start drama with us I don't even know if we would even reply. It's a fake place. You think I'm going to waste my time arguing with you on social media? I'm not cool. That's what you think.

It's one of the few things that we have that really reunites us. Really does. You can get people of all persuations, all different kinds of backgrounds just love a good song. It's universal.

Yeah. It's weird about social media, too, is the algorithm. Someone left leaning will have a completely different comment section than someone right leaning. Oh, yeah.

Living in an echo chamber. Oh, yeah. And that's really bad because then you think, look, and then when the election happens, you're like, What? What is going on? How do you not think the way I think?

We're all people, man.

Yeah. I just wish someone would come along that was a great uniter, and hopefully they won't get shot.

Yeah.

Jeez. Jesus.

Well, maybe it would.

They killed him first, though.

Yeah, they did it back then, too.

If Jesus did come back today, boy, would that be fascinating? Just to see how people would be.

Oh, God. Actually, I believe. I'm sorry.

It would be relieving, honestly.

Could you imagine, though? I don't want to throw shade on anybody, but just dying. It's like, Oh, God, dang it. They were right. I know. I know. I'll see myself.

I don't-Just go ahead and walk the other way.

You get to the Prairie gates, you're like, No shit. Really? And then Saint Peter's like, Come here. I can talk to you about some things. See, for me- Dude, I didn't know. If I knew, I would have never done all this. I would have never lied about my taxes. I would have never done any of those things.

A little late then. I'd have to make a stop at purgatory on the way. That's where I'll be. We make that joke.

You're going to be getting purged. Yeah, dude.

I'll be there eventually.

But music is the great uniter.

Andrew is the only Catholic in the band. Do you believe in purgatory? Yeah, but we coexist.

Yeah, we talk about... We We have a little random Bible study pop up. We just talk about the Bible. I pull out my catechism. It's fun.

I'm just going to be laughing at you because God probably will send you to a purgatory because you believed in it.

Hey, he might be sending you. We don't know. We'll know when we get there. I'm going to see you all in that.

When was Catholicism established?

With Jesus Christ, when he was crucified.

That's when it was started?

Yeah, he told Saint Peter, I'll build on top of you, you are the rock, I'll build my church on. You know where his bones are? In the Vatican. Underneath St Peter's Basilika.

Interesting. Vatican's got a lot of stuff.

St Peter's Basilika is wild. Just went for my honeymoon. Insane. Even if you're not Catholic, just going there, they have a whole museum.

It's insane. Are we going in Europe?

No, that's down in Rome. We won't make it that far.

But either way, Rome is pretty bizarre to look at, too. But there is nothing like St Peter's Basilica.

It is. It's like- By the way, how crazy is it that Rome is its own country?

How crazy is that? They have their own... It's a country. It's like 50 acres or something.

Yeah, the Vatican.

The Vatican, rather. Excuse me, not Rome.

And you have to wait in line. Yeah, you have to wait in line to enter in the morning when we went.

The Vatican being its own country is so strange. Then you get in, and you're like, this might be the richest country ever. Look at all the art. They have so much art.

They have so much art. St.

Peter's Basilica, whatever Whatever you believe, if you go to that, you'll be awestruck.

It's literally like you walk in and you're just covered.

You're blown away. You're blown away. And it didn't take like four or five hundred years to make?

I'm sure. Oh, yeah.

I think it took... I mean, this was all people with no computers and no power drills. No power saws. Like, how? How dedicated were you, motherfuckers?

I will say that's what some of my favorite memories of Europe last year was seeing cathedrals, how beautiful they are. It's screwed up. They were charging people at the door.

No, that was... God, look at that. Anglican. It wasn't Catholic, no. Catholic. Look at that. You can enter. Anglican will charge you.

And when you see it, the photos are beautiful, but being there in person, you realize the scale of it all. And it's almost impossible. It's impossible to imagine the dedication and the craftsmanship trip that was involved in making something so incredible.

And there's a whole crib underneath with all the...

It's like we move backwards. How did stuff stop being beautiful?

That's a good question. It's so plain. The construction methods got much more convenient.

You see a picture of a train from back in the day, how just beautiful a public train used to be. Oh, yeah.

Old cars are just sexy.

How about you ever see economy seating from the 1960s?

I wish I could have flew back then.

It looked amazing. They were smoking cigarettes on them airplanes.

They were turning up back then on flights, dude.

They were smoking cigarettes in couches. They had these big ass seats. Everybody looked relaxed.

Rappers don't even do that now. They were living it up back then.

Yeah, they were living it up. I really couldn't imagine sitting on an airplane next to somebody smoking a cigarette.

When I was a kid, they smoked on planes.

It has to be suffocating, right?

It was horrible. If you got a ticket late, you had to sit in the smoking section. So you're in the back of the bus or the back of the plane. If you had to go to the toilet, you had to go past all the people smoking. Look at that. That's economy seating. That looks nice.

Turbulence.

No wonder people are so depressed nowadays.

Well, they did have seatbelts, didn't they? Or it doesn't look like they do. No, it doesn't look like they have. Where the fuck is all our luggage?

You might die.

Well, the luggage is in overhead compartments. They still have overhead compartments.

Those look pretty shallow.

Yeah, those are overhead compartments. No lights.

People probably travel there.

Do you think that's fake? It might be AI-generated. It could be. They might be bullshitting us. But there are definitely real showdos.

It's an eight-year-old post on red.

I think it's legit. It's a bit...

I've seen one picture.

747 from the 1960s.

Is there a stand-up bar? Didn't they have a stand-up bar section where you walk around and go get a drink?

That's a different size plane, though. But it depends on where you're going and how far you're flying.

There's no overhead storage, it looks like.

Those people look like they're having a good old time, though, in those places.

They were actually talking to each other.

Look at the colors of the seats.

And by the way, the stewardesses were hot. They had hot stewardesses.

They had You had to be hot to be a stewardess back then.

Yeah, weird.

Also, what happened to fashion? These people are dressed up very nice on an airplane, and now people are showing up in yoga pants.

People used to dress well. I don't have any problem with yoga pants. That's the first time. Don't be hating on yoga pants, bro.

I should have worn mine, dang it.

It went well with your chain.

And the mustache. Nothing but shirtless chain, mustache, yoga pants. I don't know why people were calling me a lesbian.

Theo Von comments coming back. People were like, Oh, he looks like Matthew McConaher. I was like, Damn, when they talk about me? It was Brandon. They're like, Who's this this mustache lesbian that keeps talking? I was like, Dang.

What did I do?

Yeah, what did I do?

People will find a way to get you.

Yeah, I don't read those. I just have Brandon send me screenshots. Because you get in there, right? Yeah, my feelings will get hurt.

Man.

I get a lot of Elvis like, Oh, he looks like Elvis. He looks like Elvis. That's why I won't do karate. That's just the next thing they'll just tack on. Oh, he's doing karate like Elvis. It's a good thing to get out your aggression, though.

It's a good thing to calm yourself.

I want to do something, man. I want to do boxing.

Do some Muay Thai. Have some guy hold pats for you. If you started out with Shodokon, get some guy to hold pats for you when you're on the road.

Drew's here down 40 plus pounds in the last... How long?

I'd say about 10 months.

Really? That's great. What did you do?

I fasted. So I did 16 hour fast pretty much every day.

Okay. Intermittent fasting.

Nice.

Just that alone. Isn't that amazing?

Dude, 30 pounds by itself. Yeah. And then I started working out a few weeks ago, and I've just been doing it every single day.

Don't you feel a million times better?

One thousand %.

Isn't that crazy? You want to tell people, I know it sucks to start. Starting something is hard to do. Changing the habits of your life are very hard to do. But if you could do it, you'll feel so much better.

Yeah. I mean, I can't even go a day without running.

Really?

It feels like I will feel bad.

Isn't that incredible?

Yeah, dude.

I love it so much. And you think about the time where you felt bad all the time, and that was your base state. Yeah. That's a lot of people that are complaining online, too. There's a lot of people that just they're uncomfortable just walking around. They need to go exercise. Yeah, they're filled with anxiety and angst.

You need to get outside and exercise.

Just to fucking do something. Take a walk. Do something.

I mean, it It will cure a lot of things, just exercise alone. I mean-What's 1.

25 times better than antidepressants? Just that alone. 1. 25 times better than SSRIs.

Everybody's always... It just blows my mind Even growing up as a kid, all these fat burning pills and all these shortcuts to lose weight and the Ozempic thing. There's no shortcut. It is diet and exercise. Yeah.

Lean, mean, baby.

I think for people that are morbidly obese, like something like Ozempic.

It's going to be the... It'll help you. It's the catalyst.

It'll get you started. Sometimes it's just getting started. It's just like getting momentum going, where you're doing something positive every day. And then next thing you know, it's five days in a row. Next thing you know, it's a month in a row. You're like, I'm feeling fucking good. I really have a good program going on now. I'm feeling better. Everything's healthy. And that's a lot of life is just having positive momentum in the right direction.

We're creatures of habit. When we learn to walk by forming a habit, and you can form good habits. You get to a point where, like you said, Man, I didn't get my run in the day. I feel weird. And it's like, Oh, I need to go to the gym. I need to feel a pump or something. You get that habit going, man.

And for some people, it's meditation. For some people, it's yoga. But just do something. Do something. Do something positive. Don't just exist.

I hope that for America we'll get fit again.

Well, that would be nice.

We need that.

I feel like it's shifting. I feel like it.

There's a lot of people that are shifting.

Well, I think like with our grandparents, the importance wasn't known yet of how important moving... If you don't use your joints, you're going to lose them when you're old. And that's why we have old people are all slumped over and old. I hope when our generation gets there, we know how important exercise is. And when we're 80 years old, we can still run a mile.

Or you just go to the doctor and he give you a new body. Or that, too. That's probably going to happen.

Stress my legs out. Yeah.

Get some new knees.

Yeah. Just take your brain and download it into a new body.

Have they tried the head transplant yet?

They have done a head transplant. Did it work? Yeah. No. The person died, but they kept him alive for a short period of time. They did it to a dog? Yeah, the dog. I think they did do it to a person.

That Nazi video of the dog heads weird. Yeah. It made me feel weird.

Well, the Nazis tried a lot of shit. They experimented with a lot of shit. That shit's really dark. It's a lot of medical experiments we found out through the Nazis.

Through the Nazis. Yeah. Like spreading intestines across the wall to see how GI tracks work. Yeah.

Like they were poking on people's brain while they were still active. Some sick people.

It's going to be a smelly room, dude.

Oh, yeah, I would imagine.

Well, with genetic engineering, hopefully, they don't have to do any of that. But it is going to be weird if you could just choose your body.

Yeah.

Like everyone's going to look beautiful. Everyone's going to be looking like Thor. But your Chris Hemsworth walking around the world. It's going to be very strange.

At that point, God's just going, All right, that's it. Pulling the plug. Let's go.

Too far. Maybe.

Me and my wife are looking into IVF right now, and they're like, Do you want to pick a gender?

You can do that.

Yeah. I mean, if you had your choice, would you want to pick?

And I was like, How do I know? I'm going to need a week to think about.

Why are you looking into IVF? Why are you doing that?

So my wife has scar tissue, and so she had a mass on one of her fallopian tubes.

Oh, so they have to do it this way? Yeah. Well, see, in that way, medical science is brilliant, right? Yeah.

And it would be cool if that was covered by insurance.

Yeah, it would be.

There's a program called Carrot now that runs through our insurance that you can do it on. Oh, what?

Cool.

It's quite expensive, though, right? Isn't it like $30,000 a shot?

Something like that.

It doesn't always work the first time. You have to try it again.

Yeah. My wife puts it as, your baby's just taking the scenic route. Because a lot of people feel funny about getting IVF, but it's like, there's nothing wrong with IVF.

Listen, if it allows you to become a parent, and it's the most rewarding thing in life to become a parent, to me, at least, it changes everything. Changes your whole life, changes your on things. Dave Chappelle said it best to me, said, It didn't just change the amount of love I had. It changed my capacity for love.

Yeah.

Yeah. And if you can give that to people, that's beautiful. Yeah. Especially, there's a real population collapse problem.

Yeah, I was going to say that.

Yeah. In a lot of countries, it's real serious.

But some countries where it's not... Some countries where they're overproducing, it's like, isn't England below the rate they need to be? Yeah.

Japan is real bad.

Isn't China's upside down? I don't know.

I don't know what Japan or China is, but I know Japan has a real issue. South Korea has a huge issue.

It's funny. I wonder why it's the Asian countries. They work hard.

They're busting their ass all the time. They don't have time to make kids. If you're super dedicated to work and super disciplined, and Korea, South Korea in particular, is very disciplined culture, very hard working culture. So if they're career oriented and disciplined, those are the type of people that have less kids.

I'd like to see where they're the highest and where they're the lowest and see, is it Europe? Is it Northern Europe producing more children?

I've seen a map of it. I can't remember what's what. Is it poor countries? It was scary.

It's a lot of poor countries.

Because That's how a culture disappears over time, is low birth rates. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, no doubt. Yeah, so do your part. Get that IVF, son.

Have babies.

Have babies. Any more we should cover? We good?

I mean, I think the single coming out October third was all I wanted to make sure I talked about. But I mean, we've talked about a lot.

You guys are fucking great. I enjoy you very much. Listen to you guys all the time in the green room. You're in the green room playlist at the mothership.

Heck, yeah.

So we love you guys.

You got to come to show sometime.

I would love to.

I'll tell you the story, the Kill Tony story? No. So our first time, 2024 was a wild year for us. We We got in to kill Tony, and we were loving it and watching it. And then a couple of months later, it was like, You guys want to go see Shane Gillis? And we were like, Yeah. They pulled us up backstage, and as soon as we get out of the van, Tony sitting there smoking a cigarette. He's like, Hey, what's up, guys?

Hey, guys.

We were star struck immediately. Then met Shane, and we felt like Shane didn't know who we were. We think he slipped off to the green room to look us up and come back. 100%.

It's like, You guys just had a number one hit. Congratulations.

He Come back with a Google quote?

Yeah, 100 %.

Yeah, man. But that was just incredible. And then a few months later, we actually get to go to kill Tony. And that was just another mind-blown, incredible. Oh, my God, what is happening? And they were like, Hey, somebody was like, Rogan wasn't going to come out tonight, but he wants to meet you guys. So he's going to come out at Mitzies and talk to you guys. Cool, man. They're getting a little nervous, a little freaked out. And we were in Mitzies hanging out with Hans, Kim, and all those guys, and then turned around, and there you are sitting there. I was like, Oh, my God, there he is. You were standing there talking to people, though.

You got swallowed up immediately as you walked in the door.

Me and Andrew were sitting at the bar, and there was like, All right, I'm going in. I was like, No, man, just wait.

I was like, If you want to talk to him, I'm just going to send it, buddy. I'll send this for you. Hey, Mr..

Joe, this is my friend, Brandon. Yeah, let it happen naturally. Let it happen naturally. I was sitting there waiting on my time to strike, and I turned around to talk to somebody, and I turned back around where you were, and you were gone. So I was like, I felt like the biggest hammer drop of all time. I was like, dang, man. I felt extra bad because I was told that you wouldn't want to come out, but you were coming out to meet us, and I felt like we just sat there and ignored you.

I didn't know you guys were there.

Okay. It was a lot then.

I did come I did come out to meet you guys, but I got swarmed. It was just like, I get weird sometimes. I'm like, Got to go. See you.

I just get out of there. You had six people you were carrying a conversation with at one time.

We weren't about to be on top of that.

We know we will cross past when time is needed. We did it.

I saw you also, and I missed my chance again at UFC in December. Which one? In Vegas. Oh, okay. Yeah, you were commentating, and we were across from you on the other side of the arena. Theo was sitting behind you, I think, and we were on the direct other side. Incredible experience. Oh, my God.

This is the first time you guys have ever been?

Yeah. Theo, actually, he got an extra ticket to Super Slap, and he invited me out of that, Fontainebleau. Power Slap. Power Slap, yeah. What an odd sport. Super Slap is a better name. That won't be around for a long time.

That is a CTE.

Yeah, a factory.

Brain damage is coming.

It's a CTE farm. I don't get it. It's not my thing.

It just seems so bad for you to just... I mean, it is, obviously.

100% terrible for you.

Yeah, I don't know about that.

I mean, they're concussed and then standing right back up there to get hit again. Yeah, not good. Has there been a second impact syndrome case yet in Power Slap?

Power Slap has only been around for a couple of years.

Oh, shit. Dana is going to be paying money to keep the studies away. We got to keep this going.

I just don't like it. I don't know why people like it, but I do watch it. If somebody sends me a video and I watch some guy get slap KOed, I will watch it because I watched two hours or an hour of fucking dick operations last night.

How do you feel about like, bare-knuckle?

That's different.

It's dangerous, but it's still- It's dangerous.

It is skillful. There's guys that are really good at it and guys that avoid being hit and guys that are just really durable. And they make their mark in that. Look, if you can punch someone with regular gloves, why can't you punch someone bear knuckle? It's probably better for your brain because you can't get hit as hard.

They're not standing there just waiting for it.

You get a lot of-That connection, though, when they hit and you don't have a glove on, you see them. You see the shock it puts through you.

The noise Power Slap makes in real life is uncanny. It's weird. When you hear that in real life, it's like, I've never heard a noise like that before, and on somebody's face. Not good. Yeah. Not good.

Sometimes they get KOed, and then their head slaps the table, and then they fall backwards, stiff. Combo. I don't like it.

I felt weird. It's like watching a cockfight or something. Exactly. Yeah.

But Hey, you sign up. You want to do it. No one's forcing you. Do whatever you want. You want to ride bowls? Go ahead. You want to flip bikes? Whatever you want to do. Yeah, some people. You want to evil-knevel your way through life?

After that, though, we got to meet Dana, and he hooked us up with the fight tickets. Oh, nice. I've seen you. Then I was like, Oh, this would be my chance. Afterward, we left our seats, and then we were going out, and then you immediately stood up and walked right in front of where I was sitting. I was like, Dang, I missed it again.

Is the White House thing?

Supposedly.

There's a concert aspect to it. Really? We want to put our name in a bucket.

Is there really?

Supposedly.

Oh, wow. Interesting. Who's supposed to perform so far?

I don't think anybody yet.

Oh, I didn't even know there was a concert aspect to it.

That's what we've heard. Our agents heard it, at least.

Interesting. This is the first time I've heard of it. That makes sense, though.

Come play our sad music for-Yeah.

Heck, yeah.

He got to love sad music.

Bruin everybody's buzz.

We call it Sadboy Summer.

It's emotional. It's emotional music. I don't think it's sad. It doesn't make me sad. Yeah, the White House thing is going to be nuts. But listen, man, that's June. That is so long from now. Who the fuck knows what's going to happen in this wacky world between now and June? The aliens could have already landed.

They I can't wait to see the card, though. Oh, yeah. I hope it happens.

Well, he's going to try to put together the greatest card of all time. I know that. So they're going to try to get as many insane fights as they can.

Before people come jumping on us for that, it'd be an honor to play at the White House, period, no matter who's in office. What happened to just being able to go and meet the President without being- It should be cool. It should be a cool thing.

It shouldn't be polarized.

I'd like to meet Trump, but I'd also like to meet Obama. He seemed pretty dang cool.

That would be cool. Just going to the White House would be a big Yeah, sure.

Sure. Well, hopefully, you guys can.

Yeah, we'll see. Who cares?

Just keep kicking ass. You'll get there. We'll see.

I don't know.

Hopefully, less polarizing time by the time you get in there. But thank you for being here. I appreciate you guys very much. Thanks for having us. And thanks for making awesome music. It's been fun to meet you. Awesome.

All right.

It's been great to meet you both. Great to play straight, ladies and gentlemen.

Bye.