Transcript of The Big Suey: What Is Your Spaghetti Policy? (feat. The 65-Inch Jewish Texan)

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David Samson is here with us. Nothing personal is the name of the podcast, and I keep telling you to listen to it. He's developed an unusual connection with his audience that is seeing some humanity as he comes through a very difficult time and tries to do his show, which is better on sports business than any I've heard. And I will tell The Sporting Class with Pablo Tori finds out is the best sports business podcast that there is. If you listen to it, you will find more expertise in an hour than you will find anywhere else in podcasting. I don't think I have that wrong. I've listened to enough people in this business who don't know what they're talking about, David, that it makes me wonder, honestly, how often you're listening to people on television talking with expertise about sports business, and you're like, This person's an amateur. This person is speaking about this very poorly.

It is amazing what happens when people have no idea what they're talking about, but think they do, or they think they're journalists, and they're not, and they have opinions that are based on the belief that they have, which isn't actually grounded in any reality. And then we sit there and decide, Are we going to react to that? Are we going to say, no, that's not the case. And I spent too much of my career trying to explain to people what was real, and it turned a few people off. So I apologize for that.

Good thing we got nothing but journalists in this room right here, David.

Was that a shot at Zazlo? Was that a shot?

It's just funny. Zaz, I love you, man. You're not a journalist.

My degree says otherwise.

Really?

That's your rebuttal? Clip it.

I know. I win. I want to be nice because Zaz has been super nice. So I'm having an issue because I'm not a journalist, and I don't know how to not show grace to people or showing grace to me. But Zaz, I'm just going to escape my personal situation for one minute and say, just because you have a degree in journalism does not make you a journalist. Are you a lawyer? I am admitted to the bar, but I'm not a practicing lawyer.

If I said to you, David, are you a lawyer?

Your answer is what? Yes or no? Yes. Okay, then. God is us. I have a law degree.

You should have been like, I'm not a practicing journalist. Same here.

No, but if you're saying that, Zaz, then I'm good. If you're saying that you're not a practicing journalist, then I'm good.

All I say is I'm a journalist. Sometimes I do come in here and I report things. You know what, Dan?

A lot of times those are right. He's been on fire.

He's broken more news than you. He's had five stories in the last six months that you haven't had, David. He's been a newsbreaker.

I'm not a newsbreaker, Dan. Is this the first time you're listening to nothing personal? You'd say that you listen every day. I don't break news on nothing personal.

I'm just saying that as a jerk, he's got the degree you mentioned, and he breaks stories.

What were these stories?

Hold on. What's the last story you broke Zaz?

Nico Harrison being fired?

He had it before anybody. The day of?

You said he should get fired. No, I said he's going to be fired.

No, he reported it as fact. Okay. One. No, he's got five in the last...

Yeah. One.

I also reported that Jimmy Butler, Steph Curry, and Jammer Green are not playing the game here, and everyone want a lot of money. I think Juju included. That wasn't a report.

He did report that. None of these are. Let's move on. Three.

We're still doing this?

He's got more.

He's Yeah, Dan keeps saying he got more. So far, two of them, not actual reports, but we keep moving.

Let me think about it. He had some... Didn't you have the Florida coach first?

Yes, that's right. Yeah, no, he totally had that. That was Zaz exclusive.

I had Lane Kiffin going LSU. What are you doing? You were on the group chat. How dare you?

He's a reporter. Anyway, you guys are questioning his credentials. He's saying he's a journalist, and all of you... Anyway, all right. I could talk about this for a long time, but there's There's some sports business stuff to talk about. And the bears moving to Indiana, what are we doing there?

I want everyone to stay calm. The bears are not moving to Indiana, but they're threatening. So page one of the new stadium playbook is when you're not getting the amount of money from the taxpayers that you want, you threaten to go somewhere. So the CEO of the bears released an open letter to the fans yesterday saying, The whole Arlington racetr stadium that we told you was a go, actually We can't get enough public money, so now we've got to look elsewhere, including Northwest Indiana, which is me running the Marlins saying, You know what, Miami? We're so angry, we're going to look in Broward. That will really get everyone's going. No, I threatened to move to Texas or Vegas, or Oregon. You don't threaten to move to Northwest Indiana. But then the governor of Indiana came out and said, We are all in on getting the bears here to Northwest Indiana. I laughed at the whole thing. The whole thing's crazy.

David, didn't you wear a cowboy hat in order to...

He did. I did. I wanted people to think I was a Texan, a little 65 Five-inch Jewish Texan. I had cowboy boots, too.

How effective is this move going to be? Because this is a page out of the Chief's playbook, and the Chiefs are probably positioned even better because they're in a border town. Getting Kansas to throw public money at this, that makes Kansas feel like it's big time. It's a big league market now. How often are we going to see this, or is this just unique to the geography?

Oh, no. You want people fighting against each other as much as possible. And when you can have two different state legislatures who are each fighting to give you money or a local municipality versus a state, really for teams, it's just dollars. And the more competition, the better. And so the interesting thing about the Chiefs is, Kansas, it's like the person at the prom who is the last one, and she's just or he's just standing there. And then all of a sudden... In baseball, they used to be called slump busters. And so what that means is it's last, and that's just what you're doing. That's what Kansas is to the Chiefs. It's a slump Buster, and that's what Indiana is to the bears. It's just not going to happen.

David, I have a number of things I want to throw at you at one time just to increase the degree of difficulty what we're doing here. Can you find on your phone a best photo of you in cowboy hat, cowboy boots, as we play you stuttering earlier in the show as a professional broadcaster?

And we put on the screen a guy eating spaghetti, a weird choice out of a bag at a recent Chicago game.

Because spaghetti... What is the worst food I can put in a bag for you to say someone fat can't be doing that. I'm not saying this person is fat. That you and I, if we did this in public, Chris Cody, this would be a source of eternal shame eating spaghetti right out of a bag. It's not something we've ever seen before. It looks delightful, honestly. As Amin asks you a business question, David, send us the photo over to Louis of you in a cowboy hat and cowboy boots.

Well, first of all, the spaghetti out of a bag thing, me and Jeremy, that's an always sunny thing. Yeah, what's your spaghetti policy? I don't think of a fat person. I think of Charlie Kelly, moron, eating spaghetti out of a bag. But David, I wanted to know, you say, Oh, this is just posturing, and you try to pit communities against each other to get the money up. What did you think at the time, I know this was a long time ago, when the NBA was like, We're going to move this team to Oklahoma City out of Seattle?

Remember, I had some experience with Oklahoma City, and there was a minor league team there called the Oklahoma City 89ers. I didn't work for Jeffrey Lauri at the time, but I went to Oklahoma City and was a part of that city many, many times. And it was not a big league city by any stretch. It was a straight, minor league town. And there was so much going on with the Seattle Sonics. And I was a fan back in the downtown Freddie Brown days, then up toward Jack Sikma, and then Kevin Durant comes. But what happened is that team got sold to someone who it was clear they had an interest in moving to Oklahoma City. And it turns out it was an amazing move. It's one of the great dynasties, potentially in NBA history. But now Adam Silver is bending over backwards to get a team back in Seattle. And the irony is the city of Seattle is going to pay more to get the team back than they would have paid to keep the original team there. And that's what I try to explain to cities all the time. So no, Oklahoma City is not a big league city.

But again, does it matter? Green Bay is not a big league city. And if you've got a big league team, I guess by definition, you're a big league city.

I'd like for you guys to come up with hypotheticals that either Chris or I, I might go to the Jake Paul fight. If I was in one of the good eating a food out of a bag, what would be the most embarrassing photo? I'm saying if I was doing spaghetti out of a bag, that whether it's always sunny joke or not, it's simply something I cannot do in public. There's no way for me to eat spaghetti out of a bag.

Pudding.

Particularly tapioca pudding.

Hands down, if you're eating pudding or moose-Out of a ziploc?

Out of a ziploc bag, yeah.

More disgusting than carbs in the middle of the night with sauce on them? You guys got to be kidding. It's a better visual with spaghetti.

At least it's a meal.

Spaghetti is-Spaghetti is a pretty good visual.

Chris, would you ever be photographed? Let's do that. Let's do that at the Jake Paul fight. Let's you and me go to the Jake Paul fight and just go with bags of disgusting food to eat.

What if it's lasagna?

I don't think you can do much worse than spaghetti. That would be annoying. Mike's got a business question for you here, David, because what's going on with the FIFA prices is interesting, and what's going on with the Jake Paul ticket prices or ticket discounts is interesting.

Well, let's stay with the Jake Paul thing since they're already. There's emails going out, email blast. Two for one specials, ticket specials for Jake Paul and Anthony Joshua. That's not good news, right? That means this thing is struggling. There's billboards saying low ticket alerts, and that's also a move and an indicator that there's actually not a low ticket alert.

Oh, wait. You're saying when the low ticket alert comes, that means that people pretend like at a restaurant where you put red. What's the damn name of it? I'm having a day here, Dan. The red ropes that indicate the next exclusive- The velvet ropes? Velvet ropes. And then you walk in the restaurant, you're like, Dude, there's a million tables here. Why is there a line outside? Or when you're waiting to get to a club in Vegas, and by the time you get in, there's plenty of room on the dance floor. So I think that what we do when we're selling tickets and we're pretending that there is demand as we make up the demand. But when we're the promoter and it's actually our money, then I have no shame. If I need to get tickets moved that I know we're not being moved, I'm going to do a Bogo. I'm going to cut the prices because Because I know that $5 is better than $1. So it just depends on supply and demand. But Jake Paul hasn't experienced this yet, but it's very normal for any entertainment act, which is really what he is. It's just an entertainment act.

He's not a boxer. He's just an entertainer. So it's very normal that you will do these things as demand and supply ebbs and flows.

Maybe clam chowder?

What draw is this to the consumer? Hey, come see Jake Paul get pummeled. I do think that if they are indeed struggling to sell tickets like these specials suggests, maybe we should look at this as a business plan, as is this perhaps the end, or does Jake Paul require the tomato can to move tickets?

Well, he's a promoter now, as you know. So he's smart about what he does. He's not just getting purses. He's actually taking it on both ends. And so when you get in that business, you are not going to have an A plus every single time, but you still promote the C plus pluses and the B minuses and the Bs. And the fact that he is participating in it on both sides makes a C plus still profitable, just like in school. You get a C plus, you get to move on to the next class. So I'm not worried about his marketability because he's already diversified his business interests so much that he's not a fighter. He is a business mogul, and that I have great respect for.

Ramen noodles?

Let's turn our attention to the FIFA World Cup. It appears as So FIFA bowed to the pressure of the European sports consumer. We've said several times, American consumers beaten down by the system and ticket fees and all that. In Europe, they have actual power, and they rose hell, raised hell. And they actually brought about change. Does this say more about their power, though, or the lack of demand here in the United States that FIFA probably overestimated?

What change? Are you talking about the $60 tickets, like 500 per side for supporters?

The Arrowhead Stadium sea graphic is crazy. But I do think that the demand... I do think that FIFA overestimated what demand there would be here, and I do think it correlates to the economy.

No, I don't think it correlates to the economy. I think it correlates to people have actual fear for World Cup, you count on travel. And I think that there are people, especially after watching last night's presidential address, I would say that if I am from out of the country, I would probably have no interest in coming to our country right now, especially if what they're going to do is what they say they're going to do as it relates to five years of social media history and your electronic signature history in order to secure permission to come into the country. I would say that that would have a quash and impact. There is not enough local soccer interest in the United States with US-born people to fill up any stadium anytime. So you do need people to travel. And my guess is that it is way less than they thought.

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Chris Cody, I need your help with an editorial decision. I'd like for you and Jeremy to stop fooling around. I have a number of topics that I need to get in front of David Samson, but I don't know where to go because Trista wants to talk to him about the CBA negotiations. He's got strong opinions on what's going on with the Oscars and YouTube that I think would actually be something that people didn't know about everything that's changing in streaming. But you just told me that you have the sound of Jimmy Cefalo calling the Miami Miracle and Gronk fooling everybody by not being athletic at the goal line. Let's see if you guys can figure out what would you go to here among those three things, Chris.

Cefalo Well.

Let's hear the sound of Jimmy Cefalo trying to call what was a number of different laterals. Kenyan Drake at the end scores after about six passes to beat the Patriots at home on the last play of the game, and Gronk stumbles at the end. Daniel, last shot, back to Schroen.

They throw it down. They try to pitch it, and they do.

But Parker, Parker pitches it. And it's Greg, 30, The county's got to tackle him.

No way. He got in the end there.

No way. What's that? The Dolphins winner.

That's unbelievable.

Are you kidding me?

That is unbelievable.

I don't believe what I just saw.

There are no flags. No flags.

And the game is over. Holy view.

The biggest flag.

6-9, but I just saw. There are no flags. No flags. And the game is over. Holy view. The biggest flag. 6-9. Buhet. The question is, would he have been able to tiptoe that sideline? I think he did.

Oh, my gosh.

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This is an ed Morris. Com today. Wait a minute.

Wait a minute.

I love that part. That call was great.

It says, I just got it I can't believe that was a 70-yard countdown play, though. It only picked up around like, Yard 25.

Your supplies, they were ranked last on all full announcing's local NFL broadcast.

I think Zaz has got this wrong.

No, it was not. They didn't give any details other than saying, Pitch to Parker, and now, Drake. They're not giving any detail.

I thought it was spectacular, especially the Ed Morse, of course.

If that's radio, how can you say, I can't believe what I just saw? We We can't see it. We're listening to it. If you're Joe Buck, you can say it because we're watching it on TV what Kirk Gibson has done. But on radio, obviously, we're not seeing it. So don't you tell me that you can't believe what you can't. That was the worst call I've ever heard.

No, I love it. David says, I can't believe what I just saw. What did you see? Tell me. No, I know.

Journalist Zaz reported that all that that call was when he was driving around listening on the radio was Cefalo saying something happened at the 10-yard line. And that's not what that call was.

I thought that call was very unclear. I actually don't know the play you're talking about, and I still don't know the play.

Okay.

That's an interesting way to gage it because he has no idea what we're talking about. I'm already wrapping my brain around, this is the miracle of Miami, and it's a huge last play. But David's approaching this as like, you're just playing it for him. I understand how he doesn't know what happened.

You know what? I'm now going to ask to recreate what he thinks happened based on that call. Tell me what you think happened on that call since you don't know the play we're talking about.

It sounded like there was some either an interception return at the end of a half or the end of a game. It sounded maybe like a lateral, and then 30, 20, 10. Then they screamed. I assumed there was a countdown, but I don't know if they won a game or if they tied a game or if it was a playoff game or a preseason game. I I don't know the players involved at all. I didn't recognize any names.

The interception would explain why Grunkowski is out there better than what actually happened.

Let me try this again, David. It's the end of an NFL football game that's just been decided. I'm going to play it for you again here, including with the advertisement, which is the funniest thing about the entire thing. It's my favorite part about listening to the local college broadcast on SiriusXM. The local furniture store that's sponsoring the I also love the start of it.

He could care less at the beginning of this. Dana Hill. There's no chance.

No, no, no. This is the end of the game, David. You're going to hear a couple of names. Tell me what happened here at the end of the miracle in Miami.

Dana Hill, last shot, back control.

They throw it down.

They try to pitch it, and they do.

It's a Parker.

Parker pitches it.

It's Greg. Greg.

30, 20. That counselor's going to tackle him. No way.

He got in the end there.

No way. What's that? The Dolphins winner.

Unbelievable.

Are you kidding me?

That is unbelievable. I don't believe it. I don't believe it.

Really? What I just saw.

There are no flags. No flags.

The game is-Oh, you.

69 yards. They've got to review it. The question is, would he have been able to tiptoe that sideline? I think he did.

Oh, my gosh.

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Did he mention- Okay. Did he mention Kenny Sills caught the initial pass? No.

No. All right. They're at the 31-yard line, and Tana Hill does a hale Mary, but it's not as far as he can go. He does, I would say, maybe a 20-yard completion, and somebody catches it and then laterals it to somebody else who goes down the sideline and scores. I'm showing my ignorance here. I thought Gronkowski... I was thinking, Brady's tight end, but that can't be because it's got to be the defense of a team. I'm not thinking straight of who the defender was, but apparently there was a defender who could not push the the Dolphin player out of bounds. And Ed Morse is a sponsor.

All right, I just watched the play. If you listen back to it, you would think that Devante Parker caught the pass. You don't know how far that pass went. He did not catch the Pass. Kenny Sills caught the pass, lateral did to Devante Parker, who then lateral did to Kenyan Drake, and Bill Belichick, the greatest head coach of all time, had Rob Grunkowski, his tight end as a last line of defense, as a knock it down guy, expecting, I guess, an 80-yard pass from Ryan Tannehill.

You can find so many funny sounds in that. Please find all of them. I think we have some disagreement here, though, David, on how it is that you've been talking about the WNBA collective bargaining agreement. So, Trista, the floor is yours. Yeah.

So I just saw the athletic reported, David, that the WNBAPA is countering, and they asked for 33% of a revenue split. Now, I think it's down to about 30% I asked Nafisa Collier at this unrivaled event in the middle of the WMBA All-Star Weekend what percentage they wanted, and we now finally found out what that was. It seems like this is getting contentious, but I guess to you, what's the percentage that you think gets this deal done? I don't think Adam Silver has any interest in pegging it to a percentage at all. Adam Silver addressed the media during the League Cup final in Vegas and said that he'll get involved if they want him to. But here's a surprise. He's been involved from the beginning. What he was saying is, will I go to the actual table? You don't need the Commissioner of the NBA to be at this table at any time. But what they've done is they've extended the deadline first by 30 days, 40 days. So it's been a total of 70 days, which all you're doing is delaying a work stoppage. You want to get to that work stoppage because that's a legal term of art.

You want to get to some lockout or strike so then it can go to the next stage of these negotiations. But the biggest His misunderstanding here is that the players in the WMBA want to have a pegged revenue number the way they have it in the NBA. And Adam Silver is saying no because the NBA owners are saying no because that's not taking into account all the money that the WMBA owners need to profit and take off the table to pay down debt that has been accruing over the decades of losses. So that is why they're not having a meeting of the minds on any percentage, which is why the NBA is offering minimum salaries increasing, like up to a million dollars, because then you can absolutely chart and express what your expenses will be and then what your profits will be.

David, the reports are, I think the WMBA's stance is 15 %. There is a percentage they're pegging it to. It's 15 %. But the way they're getting around it is by saying, Okay, and we'll have higher maximums for the top tier players. But also within that, we're going to take away some of the benefits because all of these proposals up till now, I've had, Well, this is 30 % of revenues minus the benefits paid out, like housing and transportation and all that. So what they're trying to say is, hey, we'll get rid of housing, but we'll have the max salary be higher. And I was just interested in your experience. How many times do do league do that? Where it's like, I'm going to try and cater to the elites because that's a big headline, and this is going to screw over the constituency.

No, it's funny. The union tends to do that more than we do, but we just keep a piece of paper and we put a value to everything. So we know the exact price per team to establish housing for the players. We know the exact price per percentage of ERISA benefits that we would give, which are retirement benefits. We know what it means for every team's payroll if the minimum is 250 grand instead of 150 grand. So we're just trading off a column during CBA negotiations, where if we give this, we want that back. And what the owners always say is that they want to come out ahead on their columns. They want to get more than they give. So that's why there's no specific landing point to any issue during a negotiation, because all the issues are intertwined, and you tend to settle everything at the end, and that's when an agreement comes. But until that point, you've actually agreed to nothing. Well, the truth is, you agree to a bunch of stupid stuff that get out of the way when negotiations first start, and then you get an issues list of 50 items that are all negotiated together because they move in lockstep.

So you're really trying to get a landing spot for tons of issues, not just housing or minimums or tagging a percentage of revenue.

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Dan Levatard. Go Peepee. Stugatz. Go Peepee. This is the Dan Levatar Show with the Stugatz. If the players are not going to move on a revenue split versus derived revenue share off of a fixed number, what is your opinion on what happens? Maybe the end of the WMBA, the players will move. There's not going to be a fixed number. It doesn't make sense to me for the WMBA to demand that, for the players to demand that right now. I understand. The biggest thing they did wrong, they said this is their moment. And so they They put a lot of pressure on themselves to make huge changes in the collective pardon agreement because this is their moment. What you try to do is make incremental benefits through the course of multiple agreements. And so I I don't think they should have gone for everything they're going for right now because they put themselves in a corner where they feel like they have to get it or it's like a major loss.

What did you say on the front end of this? He said the end of the WMBA. What are you saying is going to happen if Let's be clear, Dan, people are not talking about this enough.

We talked about it on the sporting class, and obviously, John Skipper's involvement in Unrivaled. But you also have talked about what Project B is. You understand there are players who are getting paid multi-millions of dollars to go play in another league in another country. This is the moment. If you had any ability to invest and you wanted to start a league to compete with the WNBA, this is the time. Every player is a free agent. All of them want money and need money. If you have a well-capitalized and well-funded business the way Project B may be, that could be the end of the WNBA. I promise you that Adam Silver is thinking about that, and the players are thinking about that.

How real is that? How real is what you're saying? How real is it to be possible, the idea that because you're meeting a moment where profound asks are being made of a business by a group that has never been stronger than it is right now about asking for money in a culture where it will be very unpopular if the WNBA does what you're saying, how probable is that?

It'll be unpopular if the WNBA folds. Unpopular to who? To the large majority. I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. If what you're saying that there have been expansion fees paid and they're trying to expand and they've got broadcast deals that were totally pinned to the NBA deals, is that what you What do you mean by unpopular? What I'm telling you is that if the players get too greedy, it will be the end of the WMBA. That's not the end of the world for them because they have options.

I don't hear anyone saying, though, that we're on the precipice of it collapsing in needing to reinvent himself. I haven't heard that anywhere.

It's just because people are not actually paying attention to what's real about this negotiation because they believe that this is their moment because of all the great press around Caitlin Clarke and the excitement of the WMBA. I am not in any way impuning the right of players to make as much money as they can, because if you can go overseas, if you can go to unrivaled, if you can go make a living, and it's a better living, go make it. It's like on any business. If you can make more money at the Ringer, people are going to go to the Ringer. That's how it goes in life. And in the WNBA, if the players can make more money elsewhere, they're going to go elsewhere, and that's what's going to happen.

It seemed like a very specific example. Too soon.

I don't think it's too soon or too much.

The joke you made in the middle there, it's too soon. No, okay. No, it's too soon. Very specific. Yeah, it was too specific. Give me a date. Predict it now. Tell me when this is going to happen, because it sounds to me like you're predicting it's going to happen. Because you know business and you know the problems involved with, We think we're worth more, and this is the moment to capitalize on more, and we've We've never been stronger as a movement, not just WMBA League, but a women's movement we will get our worth. You know where that can collapse with optics and everywhere else when the pressure of this rises. Give me a date.

I'm telling you right now that there is not going to be an agreement before the new year, before this extra extension, which ends January seventh, I believe. I think there are more moves to be made by both sides, but an agreement is not a guarantee. And if the Players Association believes that Adam Silver is going to cave, they are wrong. I can't give you a date because it's not even journalistically proper to give a date because this negotiation could go on for three months, six months. It could go on for two years, negotiating with a Players Union. We've seen that in sports. You just don't know. But I would be very careful being cocky if I'm the WNBA Players Association. But finding optionality matters, and that's what the women have been doing. So I give them credit for that. But I'll tell you, owners don't Don't care. If the WNBA folds, they will be just fine.

What is the movie you're reviewing this week?

Only if anyone's watched it, the Alex A. Rod Documentary. I assume you did, Dan.

I have failed to watch it, but only because I learned that he had some hand in being able to control the content, and therefore, I thought it would be manipulated, so I didn't bother to watch it.

Does that mean you didn't watch The Last Dance?

I did watch The Last Dance. So good.

During COVID, there was nothing else going on.

You'd watched The Last Dance, but not Alex Vieira, when there's way more Miami in Alex Vieirad than in The Last Dance. Was it good? I found it enjoyable. I enjoyed the fact that I could speak to him about it both before and after I watched it and understand what the game is. And the game has been...

What are we doing?

The game has been a very calculated, planned, not surprising, a desire to rehabilitate an image, and everything has happened exactly in step. This is a person, Aarod, who was loathed within baseball circles, just despised. And think about where he's come. He is now the face of on-air talent on a network, on Fox, on the biggest MLB partner. He is now an owner of a team, the Minnesota Timberwolves, something that he's wanted to be an owner since the beginning of his post-playing career.

That's how you got $1. 2 billion off of Jeter is by pitting him against A-Rod.

Well, yeah, they hate each other so much. It's unreal. When they pretend to like each other on Fox, it always makes me laugh. Does anyone believe that they're being jocular? That makes me laugh. But in any case, yes, A-Rod wanted to buy the Marlins, and so did you see the Jorge Moss tweet about buying the Marlins after Inter Miami 1, Mike Ryan?

I did not.

Someone asked Jorge Maas to buy the Marlins after he brought the Championship to Inter Miami, the League Cup, MLS Cup. And he wrote, That ship has sailed, or that time has passed. And I smile because Jorge Maas was a bitterer of the Marlins, and he did not win the day that day because it just wasn't the right time for him and his family. But I'm smiling at all of the people who were involved in Marlins who are now involved in other things. And A-Rod has moved on his way, and so has Jorge Mas. The only one who is not able to move on, of course, is Jeter, because he shouldn't have been there in the first place. So it's all an interesting thing. The documentary is worth watching, especially to remind people of how low Alex fell and how high he has climbed. And just his personal story. People may not remember. He was maybe the second greatest baseball player I've ever... Well, certainly one of the top five greatest baseball players I ever saw play.

Shepherds pie?

I have not seen David Samson smile like that in a few months. The Jeter shouldn't have been there in the first place. What crept out sinisterly from behind that beard at enjoying Jeter shouldn't have been there in the first place. Well, I'm right. But it's sinister. The glee you got from it was super unusual. I haven't seen you smile.

He's a bad person, and he knows it. Everyone knows it. He's totally fake. I It's so crazy because with Jeter, everyone's just over him.

Not everyone knows he's a bad person, David. What are you saying?

People who are around him know it.

No one thinks that. David.

You're wrong, Dan. I'm sorry, but you're just wrong on this. You really are. But that's okay. You're not being a journalist.

You think the public knows as a fact?

No, I said people... Fans don't know athletes. You know they say, Don't meet your heroes? Fans don't know players. They know players on the field. Zaz, you don't know Tua. What? You've interviewed him five times? Whatever. You don't know the first thing about him. No one knows anything about Derek Jeter or Andy Pettit or Jorge Pasada or any of them. And Dan, you're included. The only one you know about are people who are your friends. You know about Ricky Williams or Pat Reilly because you're friends. What? You cover the Marlins, so all of a sudden, you know about these people off the field?

Chilly?

Does everyone know... Put it on the poll, Juju, please. Does everyone know that the captain, Derek Jeter, is a bad person?

I didn't say everyone. I said, Those who know him, why do you misquote me for purposes of your show, trying to get clicks? I didn't say everyone. David, I agree with what you're saying, but you did say everyone. I didn't say everyone. Uh-oh. Play it back. You guys are so good at playing stuff back. Yeah, we'll play this back for you. You got the stutter back in three seconds.

Professional broadcaster, David Samson. First time I've heard you speechless. I've never heard you speechless before. Did Zazlo get you?

That was Zazlo that jumped you. It's hard to win a debate against a real journalist.

Checkmate. Real quick, Samson. The thing I love about Zazdan is that he actually is paying attention. He's so knowledgeable and fun to play with on and off the air. But he did render me speechless with his conversation about being a journalist. I was just laughing.

Yeah, me as well. Do me a favor here, though. Give me the best of what you've got on people not understanding what the Oscar is moving to YouTube. I will tell people, last couple of episodes of the Sporting Class, everything that's happening with Warner Brothers, with Netflix, everything that's about to hit the consumer that the consumer doesn't understand they're about to get mad about, can you condense it for me in a couple of minutes?

Yeah, that show came out today. We recorded that, and John Skipper, Pablo Tori and myself did a sporting class all about the Warner Brothers discovery and what's happening with Paramount and Skydance and what's happening as well with Netflix. It is a fascinating business story where there is a hero and a villain, and it happens to be the same person, and his name is David Zaslow, and he is going to enrich himself tremendously. But I explained that, and then John Skipper, who plays a very funny character, except it's really him in terms of his position on these things, forgetting the fact that he was the evil Empire at one point, and now he's just full of love and happiness. It's a show explaining what's happening with Netflix and Paramount and Warner Brothers Discovery. It's well worth watching. Now, in terms of the Oscars, I didn't get to talk about that, but we should get Adnan here. But listen, YouTube is a network television property now, period. It's okay to watch it. It used to be, Oh, you're only on YouTube? I don't know about you guys. Did you ever say, Oh, I used to be on ESPN, now I'm on YouTube?

Did you feel a little shame in that?

Youtube has been very good to us.

Oh, yes. It's the opposite of shame. When you get to say you're on YouTube and that you make a living on YouTube, it means that you've made it. And that's just different than it was five years ago, forget 10 years ago. The Academy Awards are going to be streamed exclusively on YouTube. Unthinkable since Disney acquired in 1976. But ABC and regular network television It's done. It doesn't even matter anymore, except for live sports. What YouTube can do for the Academy Awards, the award show can go four hours. It can go eight hours. It can go two hours. You can swear, you can get naked, you can do whatever you want on YouTube. It's going to be so positive for movies and for movie lovers. People viewed it as a booby prize to be off ABC and on YouTube. I viewed it as an amazing evolution of the Academy Awards, bringing gravitas and bringing a new audience into it. I was so excited. But the deal doesn't start until '29. It's going to start earlier. Disney is going to walk away before then. Wait for it.

You can't get naked on YouTube.

He's right. I tried. Well, you can just wear a banana sack and a pasty. You can.

Put it on the poll, please. Can you wear a banana sack and a pasty on YouTube? Also, David, I'm sorry to do this to you, but while you weren't multitasking and getting us the photo of you in cowboy hat and cowboy boots, Zaslow did uncover the incriminating evidence as a journalist that you did absolutely say, Everyone in the world knows that the captain is a bad person. Zaslow just gave me this sound while you were talking. I haven't seen you smile.

He's a bad person, and he knows it. Everyone knows it. He's totally fake. It's so crazy because with Jeter, everyone's just over him.

I'm sorry, David. I had to do it. I'm sorry. Checkmate.

Just got journaled.

I just got absolutely journaled.

I'm sorry, David. Nothing personal is the name of the podcast.

I guess you're going to have to just go with that.