Transcript of The Big Suey: The Great Soup Cook-Off of 2025

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Mike Ryan is in position. Greg Cody is indignant that he's never won one of these. Greg Cody is also very confident about being able to beat Mike Ryan in the soup off. Mike Ryan, and I should say this more often than I do, the Elser has been a really spectacular sponsor and partner on everything we do here, and Mike Ryan is presently in one of their rooms, which has a kitchen. This place is always sold out with people coming from all over the world because they want to see the views off the bay. Right now, Jeremy Tasche is in the kitchen with Mike. But Billy, why are you making faces?

Well, I mean, we're having a competition, and it seems as though one competitor may have an advantage, at least in terms of time, because I see the other competitor is still sitting here. I don't know if the fix is in or what's going on here, but one person seems to be cooking while the other one seems to be here, which would appear to the untrained eye as a disadvantage to one.

Well, Billy, indignant on behalf of Greg Cody.

How is it a disadvantage for Greg?

Have you ever watched a cooking show, a baking show? Do they say, You know what, contest number two, you go sit over here in the corner for a second. I'll give someone else a Head Start. Have you watched a race? Have you heard of the Olympics? You know what? Does someone get a head start in the Olympics? No.

I've never watched a cooking show because I don't care about cooking shows. Do you eat? How do you live? I will tell you.

Sustenance? Ever heard of it?

Common sense would tell me that Greg is sitting here and he gets to watch what Mike is doing or not doing. And that's an advantage for Greg.

Let me ask you something. You like hockey when the Panthers are good, right? What does that have to do with cooking? You have a simple mind, so I'm trying to explain in terms you understand. Go on. You like hockey when the Panthers are good. Have you ever seen a hockey game where the Panthers are still on the bench and they give the puck to the other team and they say, you go and you play around with it a little bit first? Okay, you know hockey has a clock, right? And then you say, You know what? This is actually a great advantage for the Panthers because they get to see what the devils are doing.

You know hockey has a clock, right? Yeah. So does cooking- Is there a clock in the soup competition we're doing?

You know what? You cook. It has a stove. It has a clock. Show me the clock. You put something in. I'll see the clock. You say 400 degrees, 25 minutes. How are you alive?

Let me know where the clock is.

Billy ain't wrong. Thank you, Greg. Billy ain't wrong. Mike has an appreciable head start here. But you know what? My confidence is supreme like Diana Ross. My confidence is supreme. So I'm not worried about it, but Billy ain't wrong.

Okay, but what Billy has done here is now, as if I haven't lost enough manpower here. The fix is in. He sent you out of the room when I still have to do as Zazl pointed out to all involved, Hey, this is live. We do this. Not a whole lot of people do this stuff or try this stuff live because there are dangers in doing it live. But go ahead, Greg, I don't need you anymore. I did want to have a dolphin discussion with you that I think is the last remaining one that is interesting that takes this all one notch further.

Go ahead.

Well, Billy has been making fun of me, okay? And he's been making fun of me for now years about this because the two of a thing with the head stuff is so unprecedented. Troy Akeman just did the documentary here where he says he doesn't remember playing in the NFC Championship game because we were so primitive at one time that he had four concussions in 14 months, and he just doesn't even remember playing in the game. The thing that this game has that none of the other games have on top of laughing stock, and you thought the Patriots looked back. Yeah, they did. But the dolphins are the one that everyone's laughing at. This is what is being said, I became I'm a doctor on television. I'm interviewing. The thing that Billy has been making fun of me about is that we immediately got out of bed in the middle of the night. I'm live interviewing the doctor.

Some wrestler is what you were talking to.

Chris Nowinski? Yeah, please. Oh, my God. This guy sits around. Thank He waits to pounce on head injuries.

Guys, honestly, hoping for head injuries so someone can go talk to him. That's what it seems like. If we're honest, he's hoping for concussions.

He watches sports hoping for head injuries.

Exactly right. Yes, he does. As soon as someone goes down, he goes, My turn. And he starts doing that thing. My turn. That thing with his little fingers that he goes like, This Zaz is right. He does this thing, or he does the thing with his pinkies like this. I'm doing this.

Like Gargamel.

Another one for me.

Okay, totally unfair to him. I like him, but Billy's been making fun of me.

Yeah, you would.

I got to talk to him now and bring him on so we can ask him why.

No, you don't. Why do you have to?

Because I was supposed to make... It's a long story. I owe him one because I- Get you Russellmania tickets or something? Look, the head injury stuff.

Can Mike not open a microwave?

The head All the injury stuff.

Oh, he's setting a Timer. What's that? A clock in a kitchen?

Is that cheating with a microwave? What are you doing?

Oh, my God, what he's doing. Oh my God, he's taking a shortcut. Let's go to Jeremy here. Mike Ryan using a microwave.

Oh my God, look at that. I see a Campbell's can right there. This isn't even something he made.

Get caught up. Go ahead. Go in the other room and get caught up. Are you sure? Yes. Go do the soup thing.

Jeremy, talk to us. What's going on here with Mike in this microwave?

We are on site at the great soup cook-off of 2025. Mike Ryan here getting everything situated. Mike Ryan, can you walk us a little bit through your process here?

My process is to challenge the palate, make you think differently about soup, and also get the hell out of my... Get out of the way.

Get out of the way. All right. There's a little bit of frustration I'm being taken by the man here. He's looking to be the soup superstar. Roses in the way as well. This is not good. Yes, chef.

Yes, chef. Too many cooks in the kitchen. The camera angles are. Jeremy, everyone, you're surrounded by people who are having trouble I'm not able to get the right camera angle. All right, he's at work.

I have no control over the camera angle.

Jeremy.

I just heard Mike say, I think Greg was right about the peppers, so maybe there's something going on there.

Jeremy, go ahead and just give me whatever update I on. He's doing this live now. When is this all going to be ready? How soon can we go to people tasting soup? Are we going to be able to do that soon?

I would assume we'll be able to get to it soon. I'll ask Mike Ryan here. Mike, I don't want to be too many cooks in the kitchen here, but I will ask you, about what time are we going to be able to taste here during this cook-off?

Typically, I like to have my soup settled for about two days.

That's why I get so many compliments on it because the flavors blend together. So I'm guessing sometime by Friday.

All right. On Friday, during the local hour, we will be able to taste Mike Ryan's soup. Greg Cody, I imagine, as he heads up here, won't have as much attention to detail, but I know that he will be competing He's eating with a fierce effort. We have the challenger, we have the initial competitor. This is the great soup cook-off.

All right, we can fade him down.

Palette.

You can't give him a microphone.

It's such douchey lingo.

It's the worst. How do we break him of the habit of being sidelined broadcaster guy who uses 70 words where he could use seven? How do we do it? How do we do it?

Help me do it. I don't think we can.

I think me and Zaz are more complaining about just cooking lingo in general. It's so much.

I like the flavor on the palate.

The top of my tongue.

Just talk normal. Taste. It's called taste.

I let my soup sift for two days. Yo, two-day-old food is gross. Cook it, then let me taste it. Exactly right. Uber Eats. Have you ever heard of it? Get that food in 30 minutes. I have to wait two days. It's insane.

Chris, is your dad going to lose a fourth one of these on his birthday? We might have to rig this thing because the coconut milk is more delicious than anything, and that's like cheating. There's no way your dad's soup is going to be good as coconut milk soup.

We should discuss how we're going to judge this. Now, obviously, you'll have a vote, Dan. Zaz, you'll have a vote.

I'm a judge. That goes without saying.

The shipping container as a whole could have the third vote, or we could break it down Billy, me, and Jeremy, and that's five of us. Do you guys think it should be five people voting, or the shipping container is one, and then you guys, so it's best at three? How do you think we should do this?

The problem is we know whose soup is what because they told us what they were cooking. We know we already have prejudice, Zaz, as would say.

We knew with the popcorn and the turkey. We've always known all this stuff.

No, turkey was blind. We just knew they're both cooking turkey. This one, one of them is doing something with coconut. I don't think we did it blind.

Regardless, you guys can argue about this off-air.

Blind in the sense that you didn't know whose was what.

Understood. But again, we're down some manpower because you did this, Billy. You sent a great-I didn't say, let's cook today.

You think I was on a digital whatever computer making that soup thing?

You're talking about unfair advantages. Now all of a sudden, there's two of us in here, and there should have been three. That's right. How about you How about you take a little ownership?

Do I do the scheduling around these parts?

No. I'm just saying, how about you take a little ownership?

Okay, fine. It's my fault that I think that we should follow the rules and people should be-Constantly saying things and you don't care about the repercussions. Here we are. How so? How so?

I just explained how so.

How so?

There were three I'm going to see you now there's two of us.

Did I say, Greg, go cook today? No.

You started complaining about a competition clock.

I'm a man of, I don't know if you've ever heard of this word, integrity. When you have a competition, people should have a level footing.

Okay, so take responsibility How about you make the rules when your name's on the show?

It's not on the show yet. Okay, bud?

Jeremy's yelling. Look, who's Jeremy mad at, Chris? Why am I looking at a preview in which Jeremy... That's as pissed as I've ever seen him. What happened, Jeremy? Why is Greg in there? What happened?

We've got an unbelievable energy in here. We've got a ridiculous energy. Mike is yelling, Oh, God, he's frustrated. He doesn't have the type of heat he's looking for. Great, Cody, what are your thoughts on the panic that you're seeing from the other man in the kitchen?

I mean, he's not disguising it. He is panicked. Does he have to be here? He is panicked. He says the heat's not out enough. He's got a burner on his eye by the look of it. He's panicking, man.

Well, he's certainly feeling the heat up here, Dan. Mike, Ryan, what do you say to the accusations that you have an unfair advantage from beginning?

I don't know. It's either super hot or super cold. I don't understand what's going on with this.

So super hot, super cold.

Dan, back to you. For the love of God.

Does Mike have a pack of cigs rolled up on his sleeve?

He cannot help. He cannot help. He cannot help. He cannot help. He cannot throw it back to me in a pukey, broadcaster joke Billy. Guys, how do we break him? Billy.

He needs to do morning TV, honestly. Jeremy would be good as a morning-GMA. Not even news because I think he'd cry because his news would be too sad for him to report. He needs to do the local Miami, whatever it would be.

We have to break him of these habits. He gets into broadcaster man guy and just forgets that Billy's doing FIU games. Pause up.

Oh, big week. Shula week, Dan. We can get to that later. I want to get to it- Pipple was tweeting about it. When Pipple is tweeting about it, you know there's a shift in energy. That 35 nothing to lost reinvigorated this fan base. I'll tell you what, 34 nothing.

We will go back to the Elser kitchen in a second. But the point that I was trying- Why is Greg in the same kitchen as Mike?

That does not seem like the way cooking competitions go because there's only one stove in there. I was trying to argue on his behalf and get him some more time. He should get to cooking.

He seems to be wasting time. Imagine that. It's almost It was like we planned it out where Mike would go first, then we would send my dad up there, and then the bowl soups would be ready, and then we would try them.

And then guess what happened? Guess why- What happened? What happened? It's right behind you.

Billy happened. Guess how competitions work? They cook at the same time. One goes to one kitchen, the other goes to another kitchen. I don't understand. You guys don't understand cooking competitions? I really don't understand the confusion here.

Billy, this is the part. Billy's right about this, but he could have helped in the production to make Mike less panicked in this situation and help our time be better than it was.

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Don Levatard. You are a fool.

You're nobody.

You are an infant.

You have nobody to me. You have nobody to me. I literally put together a freaking stage for your toenail. Mike Ryan is nobody to me.

I am your career right now, pal. Look at me. No. I am your career. No. Stugats.

You have messed with me, David, and now you're messing with me, and I'm more dangerous, pal.

This is the Don Levatard show with the Stugats.

Can I just get back to real quick? Because I'm going to end up owing Chris Nowitzky an apology again. Why? I will tell you why. Because the things that he's howling on head injuries that are super primitive, and we've been primitive about covering, and now the sport is bigger than it's ever been. We enjoy it more, and nobody wants to talk about concussions. Of course, nobody wants to talk about concussions. In fact, I've told you this story before, and I'm not going to moralize about this too much, but the conflict of interest between John Skipper, the top of ESPN, concussion reporting, NPR. At the very end of what was happening there, at the beginning of us learning about concussions, John Skipper realized he was the conflict of interest between journalism and business. And he's like, Yes, ESPN will no longer be doing the concussion reporting stuff that we're doing. I've got to back out of this. I'm the conflict, and I've got to choose business. America has chosen business. Everywhere, America has chosen business. However, I'm not going to simply forget that two times now we've watched Tua in a game and wondered if he should stop playing.

And so the conversation I wanted to have with you guys, not the best time during a cook-off, though, when Dolphins podcast here locally, Chris Hoffman said, Tua had the worst game I've seen him have in quite a while. It makes me wonder if the accumulation of injuries and concussions have sped him toward decline. We've generally feared it would be sudden, one more bad hit and it's over, but it could also be more gradual than that. Everything that's happening with the Dolphins, no other team in the sport where everyone gets concussions, has that as the centerpiece and what's fair and what's not fair when we're all doctors and I'm in the middle of the night calling the wrestler because I don't understand what I'm covering and he knows more about head injuries than I do.

Yeah, totally not fair. With zero medical evidence from my vantage point, that right there is exactly what I think is going on with Tua. Again, no empirical data from me sitting on my couch, all right? But that right there is exactly what I'm talking about.

But are we all doctors now?

It's also irresponsible of a doctor to be diagnosing someone that they haven't seen. Just saying, I think this is what's happening with no viewing of their charts or actually seeing a person.

Jeremy, do you have any thoughts here? I feel like you've been properly chasened.

Oh, break me the broadcaster habits, break you the habit of bringing up concussions once a week. I mean, Jesus. Yes.

Why are you sad?

Why am I sad? Yeah.

I thought you did great.

Thank you.

I don't think he likes when I critique his broadcastering, when he goes into- Wasn't that my job? Isn't that why you sent me up there? Yeah, Chris.

Do it more efficiently.

Yes.

It's a good pun. We have four hours of show. Yeah, we got to fill.

Yeah, but we'll do it. It's fine.

You call this Chris guy at night? You guys just talk about concussions? Middle of the night. In the middle of the night. Chris. You remember? His wrestling was Harvard Chris or Chris Harvard.

Yeah, he was like a douchey character.

Yeah, who knew?

It's perfect to be our concussion expert, right? We're going to need to call him here at some point, have a conversation with him that can be more fun than the ones we've been having where I ruin the fun all the time. Fun cussions? Fun cussions, yes. Fun cussions. But you guys are in agreement, right? When I say there haven't been this, not in this This town, this set of chemicals around something where you're like, Oh, my God, the whole thing's going to... They can go up in flames on Sunday if somehow they're down 17 to three in the first half.

I think you're, once that's last year where he was fired at 0 and 6. And there was that first game where he switched at halftime. I forget if it was Feeley to Fiedler, I think it was Feeley to Feeley he switched.

But everyone saw it, and I didn't, Jazz.

Right. I think that's a great example. But the difference between that one and this one is not only we fire on the coach, we're also getting rid of the quarterback. The quarterback, by the way, who signed for whatever it was, $180 million. We've never done that combination before after one game.

By the way, a win this week against the Patriots doesn't solve any of those problems either. That's why I don't think that the loss is what's going to be like, Oh, my God, they need to blow up everything. Beating the Patriots doesn't make the team any better than they were after week one, regardless.

Because you know what happens? What are we talking? Five days later, they're in Buffalo. Yeah, exactly. We I don't know how that's going to go.

I have a way to potentially solve all of this for the future of the Dolphins, if you guys would like. But look, you need a coach that has stronger leadership skills. You need a coach that's a little more hard-nosed, maybe defensive-oriented oriented because obviously the offensive thing isn't working, wants to move on from Tua. Maybe a guy who actually has coaching experience before could use a second opportunity. I think the Dolphins should probably hire Brian Flores as their next head coach. He seems like the perfect Am I wrong?

No, just the joke would have been funnier as just they should hire Brian Flores next as opposed to all the preamble.

He painted it, though, so you weren't sure who it could be because you're like, Oh, man, that does sound like a great qualification. Who exists out there? And boom, he nailed the dis amount with Brian Floores. You know the thing about McDaniel that I think is interesting or telling or whatever is that at the beginning, everyone was in love with Mike McDaniel. It was different. Where I was like, he's different. Oh, look at this kookey guy. Wow, he's so Zane. Look at his shoes with tags on them, and he dresses different, and he's so fun, and the players must love to play for him. Then last year is when his schemes were getting exposed, where it was like, oh, people have figured out what he's doing, and there hasn't been any evolution. And then this offseason is really when you started hearing from a lot of the former players, where the former players were all speaking out against him.

It seemed like- Forgive me, Billy. I'm sorry. Mike's yelling at Greg. I'm sorry to interrupt you. It's okay. It's just they're yelling each other. Greg, Mike, what happened? Mike, tell me what happened. Why are you yelling at Greg? I'm for the feed.

I don't know.

He says, do you even cook? I don't have a burger. He's dominating the stove. He's in the kitchen. He She's using coconut milk by the look of it. It looks a little bit curled. I'm just saying. Curl you. Maybe it's not. Curl you.

Tell me what, Jeremy could have helped in that situation. There seemed to be some confusion up there. I don't think they can hear what we're saying, so they don't know that we're going to them.

I think Greg could, which was the problem.

Yeah. Well, yeah.

All right, let me try that again, and I'll go straight to Greg. Yes, it seems like you would want Mike to produce this segment, not Greg, but good judgment on his birthday. Let's give him all the gifts. Greg Cody, give us a report, please, on what's happening right now. How soon will he be done? How soon will you start?

I hope he's done soon because right now I'm just watching him. I'm not able to cook. Would you stop talking? Would you stop talking? Mike is in mid-panic. He's still getting over miscutting the red bell pepper. Now he's- No one likes strips, Greg. No one likes strips. He's curdled coconut milk. He's using the microwave. Is this your first time using coconut milk? It's always curdled. Is this your first time? Is it your first time? It's your first time. I hope I get the soap soon. Right now, my worthy adversary is dominating- You pre-made your soup. You're not an artist. You're not an I'm an artist. I'm working on a work and I can't do it.

He pre-made his suit.

They're just lashing out at each other. A little wordy.

Okay. Don Levatard. You owe me everything.

You owe me everything. You have added 10 years to my career. Yes, I have. This man has. You haven't. That man. Who the hell are you? Let me tell you.

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Who the hell are you? You should be banking. Bullshit. Me. You're a rude young man.

You're a fool.

You're You're a fool. I already called you a fool. You're a fool right back. You can't call me a fool.

You're an idiot again. It's a fool. You're an idiot twice.

You're an idiot for dismissing how much I've helped you.

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I want to ask you guys about a different thing before we go back up there, because give me a second on this. I want to get your actual football thoughts on this, okay? The Baltimore Ravens. We have some difficulty in our analysis of who's good, why are they good? The whole thing around, too, is basically we need to know who's responsible for his good. It's a weird thing we do. He's only polarizing because of that, because I'm not sure if he's a system quarterback or what he is. The Baltimore Ravens over the last 25 years have been one of the best organizations in all of sports. If not for the Patriots, the Baltimore Ravens would have one of the real epic stories in that sport right now because it's a very well-run franchise from back when Osi Newsom was picking players for them well. Twenty-five years is a crazy run when you look at what the Dolphins have done comparatively over the last 25 years. And everyone listening to this would say, with certainty, good football team for five years. I know that's a good football team. And then they have this affliction, more than any team in the sport, when they've got a 90 % win probability, hit the end of the games.

They blow some games. You don't see any good teams blow or bad teams blow. They've blown them more than anyone else. I don't think that that's something that they are. But I'd have a hard time making an argument against it because it's happened nine times to them, and it's not happened six times to anyone else. Now, it's happened nine times to them because they're good enough to get that far ahead in some of these games. But the next step I want to take with you guys on what the Ravens are, we all know that's a Championship good team, right? And the only thing people question are some mental frailty about Lamar Jackson that I don't think is fair, but he is a lesser performer in the playoff. And this thing that has to eat up anyone named Harbaugh, that this team can't be trusted at the end of games. And the thing I wanted to talk to you guys about, because I'm assuming now that we all know that this is a thing about them, you don't think Derrick Henry is weak, right? You saw at the end of that game what happened where on fourth and 2, Josh Allen is just running toward a sideline and it bounces here, there, and it's in the end zone.

And then Derrick Henry fumbles. That never happens. What's that? None of you listening to this think that Eric Henry is a choker who's weak at the end of games, right? Right. So this thing that plagues the Ravens is not something that I've seen a great team ever get. The Bills might lose games and be a laughing stock because they get blown out in the biggest games. But none of you listening to this think that the Ravens are actually weak. You're not allowed to think that, but they've got an affliction here that whether it's real or a part of defining them or not, is something unlike anyone else in the sport. And you'd be calling any other team wasn't this good a choker. You'd say they're mentally frail at the end of the games because there's nothing to be learned from. This has happened to them nine times now. Do you know how these guys hurt their bodies all week when not just they collided all day, they care about this thing deeply, and at the end of the They knew they were better and they farted it away. The way that week feels, there's nothing to be learned here.

This team knows what that feels like. It's all week. It's terrible. Nothing to be learned from we let up on the gas.

Well, It's nothing to be learned from Derrick Henry fumbled when he never fumbles. If he doesn't do that, which is a very fluky play, they're going to win that game. It's like if anyone wanted to have Baltimore number one in their power ranking, still after that game, ahead of Buffalo, I'd be like, All right, I don't really have a big problem with that. Buffalo won because of a fluke. That doesn't mean that Buffalo is better than Baltimore. So if you want to have Buffalo ahead- No, but it's happened nine times now, though, where- Right.

It's happened where it's two are doing it one of the times in the fourth quarter to start some of this stuff. This team has a thing. We analyze the Holy hell out of the sport. We really do. And the margins are ridiculous. It's a foot here. It was that guy's elbow in. It's just nonsense. This team, though, is good. It's good the way the Eagles are good, and you all know it's good. There's no question about, is it good? The only two flaws you can find are, do I want to question the quarterback at playoff time? Because that's what I like to do. And what we now have, which is a sample size that's asinine, Zaz, give me all the great teams we've known throughout the history of the sport that get up to these giant leads and then have nine times a 90% win probability. And the stain of none, that team also blows games at the end in a way that's super weird and doubles up how it happens to even the bad teams in the league.

Lamar Jackson is awesome. The team is obviously really talented. I think over the course of a 60-minute game, when you have that combination of a great quarterback and a really talented team, you're going to win a lot of games. When the game is tight and you're also playing another a good team and you get to late in the game, I think that's when the little things get a little bit exacerbated. Those little things being there's no margin for error the way that there is margin for error over the course of a 60-minute game. And so when Lamar doesn't make big plays at the end of games, or if there's a question, we'll play calm as far as running the clock when it comes to hardball. That stuff that we're not noticing throughout the course of a game because you have the better team normally. If we're late in the game, it is exacerbated and it could wind costing you the game.

Does anyone listening to this believe that the Ravens are mentally frail at the end of games? What's the accusation you'd make to a team that this keeps happening to if you think it's a part of their DNA? It's happened enough that I'm assuming that most of the people listening to this say this is a problem about the Ravens that they have uniquely that is structural, correct? If it's happening, these games are so important as every last one of them. The difference between home field advantage and no home field is advantage is found in a couple of these games that the Ravens have lost. So when they go to Buffalo, Mark Andrews can't catch the ball on the goal line in the cold in Buffalo because they had to be on the road. The margins are asinine. So when I tell you one team has this thing, does the audience believe that that's a flaw that is simply structural to Baltimore? That that fluke is going to happen to them. At the end of games, at the end of a playoff game, road or home, they now know it's going to happen to them because it happens to them more than it happens to anybody.

The thing that's happening to them at the end of these games, look, it happens all the time in the middle of the game, but it doesn't have the consequence that it does at the end of the game when then the clock runs out and you're trailing. But for whatever reason, Lamar Jackson, and again, I lump Harbaugh in that category, too, because we're talking about play calling and clock management there as well, which was not good at the end of the game on Sunday night. I think that then we notice it a whole lot more because then the clock runs out and they've lost.

I mean, it's the same thing with the Bills, right? The Bills, you just always expect it to happen with the Chiefs, and you expect, Oh, well, something's going to happen at the end. They're going to get close, and then there's going to be an interception, or there's going to be a pass that hits a receiver's hand. Both teams have that until they don't have it happen one time, and then they don't have it anymore.

That was Peyton Manning, right? That was Peyton Manning's whole career. He can't win until he finally does. But the difference that I find with the way Buffalo loses these playoff games and the way Baltimore loses these playoff games, Buffalo's not losing these playoff games. And then we look at Josh Allen, we're like, Wow, he wasn't any good.

Buffalo also, you think They don't have enough, and Josh Allen's lifting all of those pieces.

Josh Allen is great in these games.

Lamar does that, too, in his defense. He has Derrick Henry now.

But Josh Allen is great in these games. But okay, the other quarterback, he outplayed him. They made the plays again. When Lamar Jackson and the Ravens lose in the playoffs, more often than not, we're looking at Lamar Jacks like, wow, he wasn't very good.

The thing with Lamar, too, is Lamar has it happen in the regular season to dumb team sometimes, too, where it's not like, oh, it's just that he can't get over the Chief. It's like, oh, that happened against the Raiders in week 13 or whatever. So both teams can solve this problem very easily by just having it not happen in the playoffs once.

Just one time. Yeah, just one time.

You guys say that, though, and I just spent 17 games watching the Chiefs win one-score game after one-score game and be like, Well, that's an ability they have, right? If they're doing it 17 straight times.

I mean, but it wasn't because some of them involved field goals going off the crossbar.

But also in these close one-score games that you're talking about here, you have to play mistake-free. They have a quarterback and a coach who are apparently really good at being mistake-free late in these tight games.

To me, it's really interesting, though. If I pulled the audience right now, if I just asked the audience of football fans, what are they saying? This sticks to the Ravens now.

I think that I think Lamar Jackson show.

Until it doesn't, though. It just takes one for it to not stick.

It takes one what, though?

Overcome it one time.

In the Okay, but what about during the regular season? So you guys are doing it in the playoffs. That doesn't matter. Okay, but if the kick goes wide and the Ravens still win that game, but they choked it at the end, we're Probably not having the conversation we're having right now.

No, we'd all be applauding the game the Ravens had. Yeah.

And then it was, Oh, that always happens to the Bills.

It was a perfect spot. But also, you would agree that Lamar Jackson is at the place in his career now where nothing good can come of the regular season. We have to wait until the playoffs, and that's when something good can happen for Lamar Jackson. The regular season is meaningless for Lamar Jackson at this point in his career. Nothing positive can come out of the regular season.

Greg Cody is in the kitchen now, and he is finally... He is slicing up with a gourmets touch. Look at him go. Chris Cody, can I have? I've got Chuck Todd here in the preview, and I've got... This is the peril of live television, and I've got Greg Cody and Mike Ryan in a kitchen somewhere with peppers. Can I go to them now? Can I go to hear that sizz pan of cooking and get my payoff at the end of segment? Because I've got a media company and our audio works.

Let's get the payoff at the start of the next segment.

Right, so I can't do it. I bet Chuck thinks I'm good at TV. Excellent. I can't do it because our audio doesn't work. Okay.