Transcript of Local Hour: Terry Rozier's Arrest / Mike Ryan's Best Day Ever

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Does he get that today? I'm not totally sure. He beats Shams by two minutes to the story that the FBI has descended upon the NBA as soon as the season starts and is yanking players and coaches off the court because, hey, turns out gambling with your sports can be dangerous if athletes and coaches are involved when they're not supposed to be and using their own moral compasses.

Adam Silver is having a good year.

Cash Patel is going to do a dog and pony show at 10: 00 AM to show everybody that it's all Terry Rozier's fault. He's joining us? Chris Cody. He's doing a press conference.

I've wanted something different.

He's doing a 10: 00 AM press conference that has engulfed the sport and the sports world so much that Chris Cody, fed this information that he doesn't have a lot of familiarity with says, Look, Terry Rozier, feeling lucky today when Chauncey Billups' name is associated with the gambling probe. And then I just hear from the other side of the room, he's going to federal prison, Chris.

I didn't say he's happy, happier.

Optics are important, Chris.

He's happier than he was before the Chauncey thing dropped. No. I think he is. He's like, God, he can be the lead now. No. I got second billing. No. He was cleared by the NBA, and then the FBI says no. The feds say, No, you're not cleared. And all Mike Ryan is doing is trying to figure out how much salary cap does this space cause? How much salary cap space is this team going to get because of the relief of, finally, Terry Rozier, one of the least popular athletes in the history of South Florida, according to only Mike Ryan.

Only Mike Ryan.

Look at that smile on his face.

Oh, this is one of the happiest days. I believe Mike Ryan- He's playing happy music all the morning. I believe Mike Ryan is happier than he was with either of the Panther Championships.

It's right up there.

I think you're going to go over to 11 and start partying in the morning to celebrate that Terry Rozier is coming off the books.

I'm getting text messages congratulating me. Like, I got a promotion. That part's weird. I was playing Katrina in the Waves this morning. I got a perma smile. Look at me. I'm my best self right now. That NBA investigation, we should talk a little bit about that. He was cleared by the NBA. I'm sure they'll turn it around with this whole kawaii thing.

We're going to have David Samson on to explain to us an unholy mess in the NBA. And this day has been coming for a while because you can only have so many Jontay Porters before people realize- A Hall of Famer got arrested.

He has no business being in that Hall of Fame.

Wait a minute.

Don't make it a Hall of Famer. No, no, no.

He is, in this century, a face of the game. He is a Hall of Fame player, a champion, and a current head coach.

A Hall of Fame- Everyone is probably happy. A Hall of Famer being arrested for this is not as big as an active coach being arrested for this. An active coach being arrested for this is a much bigger problem than Hall of Famer was gambling. Be happier.

Right, but Chauncey Billups is both.

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I think my favorite part of that opening video is how progressively worse your father's lip syncing gets over the course of time that we've been doing this. I thought I was going to start with, Tua is now too small and can't see his receiver.

This guy.

And is Jonny Manzell in another uniform? I thought I was going to start with the heat are going to be better than people think they are because they're going to score more, they're going to be fun, but have the same problems at the end of games that they had last year when you're trusting Norman Powell as your lead option or Tyler Hero as opposed to a different option. But that's going to be a playoff team this year if they stay healthy. But the place we're going to stay, I'm imagining all show today, is a really uncommon scandal, multiple scandals now, because Adam Schefter is wandering over from football to say that the Chauncey Billup report, the Arrest, is about a separate gambling ring tied to the Mafia and poker games and is not tied to betting on games. Terry Rozier has been arrested by the feds, and at 10: 00 AM, Cash Patel is going to have a press conference because the federal government is going to make a big show of arresting athletes who are misbehaving around money because The NBA may have cleared Terry Rozier, and he's going to have some explaining to do today, but the feds have not cleared Terry Rozier.

They have arrested him. And while an arrest is not guilt, it is still innocent until proven guilty. This is the mess that the NBA did not ever want to have but knew it was coming as soon as gambling started becoming normalized. I want people to understand, I've written about this before, when competitionahologs aren't on the court at the highest gladiator spectacle level of we play in front of millions every day, they're gambling and competing like that on airplanes, in card games, with giant amounts of money. When you retire, that doesn't. Your money may be gone, but the desire to compete at that level, some people will call it just competition and get rewarded for it, others will call it gambling addiction, and all of a sudden, you're in way over your head.

Very few of the people who escalate to the place that Terry Rozier now finds himself in see it coming as it escalates and as debts rise and as they realize, Wait a minute. I've been gambling like this on airplanes all my life. What do you mean I'm in trouble now that I can't afford it?

Okay, so at the risk of sounding super ignorant, Chauncey Billups, apparently, he has been arrested by the FBI in connection with illegal gambling tied to the Mafia. We're talking poker games, stuff like that. That's illegal to play poker games?

Well, the tied to the Mafia thing, I think, is something to look at. I know you mentioned Adam Schefter, who shared the story, but it was ABC's reporting that said, while it's separate, some games may have connection to this poker game in their investigation. There seems to be a tether. We'll see, and we'll apologize for any news that we get wrong or conjecture, as this is a lot of news coming in in a quick amount of time. Nbc News went out and reported that the things that surround Chauncey Billups don't involve any games that he was actively coaching yet.

There will be more names and more information coming out over the course of the day, and I will reiterate what Mike just said. Forgive us if we're a little sloppy here on the on the front-end as this is a lot of stuff happening early in the morning, and it's pretty seismic, okay? Because it's no longer Jontay Porter and some prop bets. You now have names associated with gambling that make this the risk that has always been involved, that the Leagues were always afraid of. I've told you before, Zazlo, one of the great shocks of my lifetime is seeing the NFL in Vegas, having an NFL team in Vegas, given what the NFL was for 10 years in terms of being vigilant about we have to be very careful that nothing affects the integrity of our game.

We're going to have a whole lot of, I'm assuming, Terry Rozier is just the start. They don't do this show at 10: 00 AM involving the federal government if they've just got to Terry Rozier?

There's been a lot of dog and pony shows lately to distract people from God knows what. But I would say that I know... Let's address the elephant in the room. Our show is presented by DraftKings, and a lot of people are going where you're going, which is like, well, if this is legal in more states, then what do you think is going to happen? Gambling is not new. Athletes gambling is not new. What is new is this being a regular regulated market and these companies sharing data with their league partners because bookies aren't flagging things to the NBA. That's what's different. The only thing that's different in terms of society is these betting partners are now sharing data and you're able to catch these people because this has been going on for a very long time, and a lot of people, a lot of great names have gotten away with it.

I'm glad you pointed that out because that's obviously going to be a major talking point today that this is why it's terrible for these pro-leagues to be in bed with the gambling companies. And that is just not true. Because how many Terry Rozieres have they been over the last 100 years before it was regulated? The fact that we have this relationship now and that it is legal in most states and it is regulated is why we're able to catch guys like Terry Rozier. This is actually a good thing.

You can buck up against and say availability. You were right there, pal? I know it's accessible, but it's accessible to sloppy criminals.

Hold on, okay. To say that Terry Rozier is involved in a gambling probe that involves his federal arrest and that Chauncey Billups is playing poker games with the Mafia, I'm not willing to say just yet that this is good.

Wouldn't have caught them. Give me a day to process the information arriving on my doorstep that is different than any I've seen that involves a coach in a Mafia poker game before I say, This is good. The integrity of sport matters. You have to know that the result is legitimate.

Every single time we're talking about these games decided by these super-thin margins, you have to have the comfort as a customer that none of what you're watching is professional wrestling, that everything that you're watching is real and uncompromised by some of these immoralities that can be a very thin line, Zaz, between Chauncey Billups is in Mafia poker games.

Chauncey Billups is making game time decisions that affect the results of the games as the leader and coach. I'm not willing to go where you are yet. I'm not willing to go where Cash Patel is yet either, because they're going to make a big show of this, and I will wait to see what is actually true and what isn't true. You are correct when you are saying there are more chances to catch people and throw them into the light. I will reserve judgment on whether that's good on the customer to see how many athletes are doing this. Wait a minute. It was as a dirty secret that was in private. I liked it better then when I knew that my results might not be fishy.

No, I appreciate you tucking on the opposite side of the line, but illegal card games with the Mafia have nothing to do with sportsbooks being legal in individual state.

Again, why is it illegal? What makes a card game illegal?

I mean, you can't track any of the income. You can't track anything that's taxed. The Mafia here. And the Mafia aspect and the amount of money involved. I know.

I'm going to say this again, okay?

Look up Gilbert Arenas' for me, please.

You guys don't understand what these poker games are on these flights.

The amount of money involved, the amount of fights because of the amount of money. The amount of money you have to be betting for it to matter.

To feel like something.

For Tyrone Hill to get punched by Charles Oakley because things have escalated to such a place that now you're fighting your teammates, your brothers, your fellow soldiers, because an amount of money that hurts you on a plane When Sean McVay would have his Ram sleeping, the amount of money that you've lost on a plane makes team chemistry worse because all of a sudden two guys don't like each other because somebody just lost a quarter million dollars on the plane. Gilbert Arena has made 163 million in his 13-year career. I don't know what the true details are.

I've seen some of what's reported.

I don't know what happened with Gilbert Arenas and what circles he's running in.

For people who don't remember, it was a couple of months ago, he was arrested for renting out a home to a big poker.

Out on Bail turned it into content. There's a lot of illegal poker games that happen, pretty much with impunity. I think the connection to the Mafia, a criminal enterprise for those that don't know, is... And the fact that from reporting from MBC, this does seem to be related to the NBA in some form or fashion. It's not a coincidence that these things are coming out at the exact same time. I don't believe.

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All these high-paid analysts I don't want to mention names. Tnt, ESPM.

Oh, yeah.

They're not going to make it. Even if they win, if they lose in Miami-I need to calm you down.

I need to calm you down. That's right.

If they lose in Miami. They don't got a chance in Boston. Oh, they are going to have their ass, you know what, in Boston. Stugats. They were wrong. They were, Are they going to lose their job? No. Are they going to get a cutting paid? No. What are they going to do? Keep predicting what is the obvious. They're going to say, Oh, the Nuggets are going to win. Oh, Denver, the altitude. And you know what? They are not going to win at all. This is the Dan Levatard show with the Stugats.

We will find out together on some of this stuff. Apparently, Damon Jones has now also been arrested.

It's always the guy you expect the most.

You know what? That turnover in game seven in 2000, we had the lead with 90 seconds left. It was such a bad giveaway. Just give the ball to Shaq. This makes so much sense now, Damon Jones.

Amin has... We're behaving like a real news operation. Amin has now just flown to Pablo's side in New York. He was supposed to be here today, but Pablo is out in front on this story. Some of his producers, I won't name them, have been calling Shams a bootlicker because they beat him by two minutes to this story. They have more information. Pablo's team has been following this for a while, and so we're going to get more and more information as today progresses. But the thing that I wanted to stop you on again when you say this is a good thing, I want to go ahead and let you imagine. Just imagine if I told you right now, Hey, did you guys know that Spoh was friends with the Mafia?

Did you guys know that there were poker games? You see, it was not a big stretch. Once you're playing the poker game with the Mafia, it's not a big stretch until they get into you. And now all of a sudden, you got a Tim Donagy situation. Nobody thinks when Terry Rozier is being arrested and hauled off to jail by the feds, he did not see this escalating to this point. Wherever it is that he was gambling and doing whatever it is that he was doing, this is not the result that he considered or he never would have done it. If he thought that this was the risk, that, wait a minute, my career is immediately over. My ability to make $26 million a year is immediately over. It's the same thing I used to say when Michael Vick got He invested for dog fighting? There's simply no way he thought that those were the consequences on dog fighting, or he would have stopped dog fighting.

Terry Rozier, definitely so bad at hiding it. Too many airballs.

I'm a victim in all of this. Yeah, you are. The Miami Heat are victims. The salary shouldn't come off the books. We were defrauded. The same way Steve Ballmer alleges he was defrauded. This is bad. The league needs to do something about this. I may sue for damages.

You need damages. I saw what you became over the last year since Terry. I didn't recognize that person.

I didn't like basketball.

I didn't like the person I saw.

I had to find my smile.

You lost your joy.

I lost my smile.

You found it this morning.

Oh, I did. Katrina and the Waves helped.

It's a good song. I I wanted to point out that according to NBC News, Damon Jones, who has been arrested by the FBI in Connection-He got soup thrown in his face. With the charges being announced today, there is no indication that he is tied to bets on games he played, according to two sources familiar with the matter, no matter what Zazlo is claiming about a turnover 20 years ago with 90 seconds left in the game.

We were up by two. We were about to go to the finals. Just give it a Shaq.

Give it a shack.

Give it a shack.

He was an underachiever. There's an update in the ABC news article that says, Miami Heat Guard, Terry Rozier and former Cleveland Cavaliers player and assistant, Coach Damon Jones, were also charged in separate but related illegal gambling case. They're among six people charged Thursday with turning professional basketball into a criminal gambling operation by using inside information to place unlawful wagers. So while not necessarily betting themselves on games that they played in, this does tie to what you're talking about, Dan, which is who knows who you have debt to and what you then need to turn these games into.

I understand that it's more regulated than it's ever been. I would also say it's just as hard to regulate as it's ever been because the most normal it gets, the less wrong people think it is. Those people wear uniforms, and those people have debt, and those people have competition problems, and those people have their own addictions, and those people have a lack of awareness, and some of them are going to get arrested for doing the wrong things when you have more regulation and more normalization that requires what is presently happening for people to realize what the consequences are of what they're actually doing. Because I assure you, Michael Vick wasn't the only one fighting dogs, but I bet you it lessened after that when everyone realized how wrong it was to fight dogs.

Gambling isn't this wrong. Gambling is now a super normal thing.

Yeah, the NCAA just said that players and coaches can can do this.

Beginning November first, players in the NCAA can gamble on pro games, not college games. They still can't gamble on college games.

I've been gambling since I was 18, and I did so in a state where I couldn't. I probably shouldn't be saying that. No, you shouldn't. I'm not... Maybe I'm jaded. I don't think there's really a huge influx in gambling just because you see ads for DraftKings or you see it courtside. I really I don't. I think the people that are gambling to this level in these sports have access to all that stuff and always have. I just don't think it's more prevalent. I think more dumb people are doing it. We've seen a lot in the state of Iowa when it comes to their college football teams, a lot of people don't understand how these league partners share data. And so you're having a lot of small fish, but I think the big fish, the card games, the guys trying to get one less in a game. I think that that's been happening way longer than most people would like to admit.

Are you indeed seeking counsel to sue whom?

Who are you suing? The Miami Heat, Terry Rozier, the NBA?

Who do we come Who are you suing for what your experience as a Heat fan has been? Look, you were, I heard no one in the country, no one in the country as sour on the Miami Heat trading for Terry Rozier as you were. In fact, I'm pretty sure that you left the Miami Heat in many of the similar ways that you left the Cleveland Browns because they acquired Terry Rozier. You were so upset that they acquired such a wildly inefficient player that you have said that he is the least popular player in heat history, according to you, and they've never made a transaction that has hurt you more, personally, than signing Terry Rozier. So what you're really celebrating generating today is not just the release from the Terry Rozier imprisonment, not just the salary cap space. It's also one of Mike's favorite things, which is just being right.

Oh, yeah, it's the best. I shorted this stock long ago. As someone that has been screaming at his television, that person should be in jail for years on end. This is a dream come true, honestly. You love it when the bad guys get caught.

I'm telling you, I'm happy for you that you're able to get your joy back. But then there's another side of this where it was one of the worst nights of my life at that time. The Miami Heat had never been to an NBA Finals. They were ahead with two minutes left. And look, look at this, Dan. I remember it clear as day. There it is. Damon Jones, that he were ahead by two.

Just It was like I said. That was indeed a playoff score in 2005. They were ahead by two with two minutes left in game seven.

And Damon Jones just threw them on a shack. Look at that. He threw the ball away. Something was up. Now I know.

And you know who else was playing in this game? Who? Chauncey Billups. Got to overturn that result.

Time to throw away all journalistic credibility and get reckless. Here is something we like to call reckless speculation. I knew it.

Hold on a second. You're good. I knew it. Hold on a second. You got to wait for Roy's.

You're good before you- Look, Tim Donaghi, 06, Dwyane Wade's free throws. We're even now. I knew it. We were jobbed.

Damon Jones makes that bad pass at 2 minutes, 2 seconds. Tashon Prince steals the ball. Richard Hamilton- You I'm not Shaq. Richard Hamilton makes a three-foot jumper five seconds later.

And 20 years later, the heat acquired Terry Rozierer. Look, I know '06 was controversial, but we've paid for it in droves.

So you're alleging that Terry Rozierer should be arrested Are you arrested today for being a crime against basketball?

Yes, just for his field goal percentage. I think that's one of the charges. We'll see when the great K. P. Talks.

Put it on the poll at Levitard Show.

I do love that the guy arresting them is named Cash.

Yeah, the podcaster. He works hard.

Put it on the poll at Levitard Show. Should Terry Rozier be arrested for his field goal percentage? And also put on the poll, Should Terry Rozier be arrested first for being a crime against basketball? One of many felony counts.

There are so many things popping up. It's going to be like Whac-A-Mole, but I do want to follow the vine that Zaz established. A hell of a year for Adam Silver. Oh, yeah. A lot of trust in him. The NBA, a lot of this fell on because Shams reported, just the news that the NBA cleared Terry Rozier of any wrongdoing. And now the FBI has arrested Terry Rozier for wrongdoing. The NBA investigated this, pissed poor investigation, it would seem just reading the game as we see it this morning. The NBA has a lot of tough questions to answer, yet again. This, it just keeps getting worse for Adam Silver.

This is why I have no faith in Adam Silver doing anything about Kawhi letter? No. I have no faith.

No, Kawhi is probably a little nervous because here comes the overcorrection.

The real question is, should Damon Jones be arrested for not passing a shack?

I'm telling you, Dan, I remembered it. How do I remember it almost 20 years later? It was yesterday. I knew something was fishy. I knew it.

But Dan, the Adam Silver conversation, because before this, we were saying he's gone from the... Regarded as the best commissioner in sports to the worst of the major sports. And Hold my beer? We just got way worse than ever.

The storyline on this is easy to track, right? David Stern was going to be very difficult to replace. You never follow the guy- What a commissioner. Who is the guy. David Stern never behaved as if he worked for the owners. It always felt like the owners had to behave because of how David Stern was behaving. It made him different from most commissioners not named Kenesaw Mountain Landis. Most commissioners have been pushovers for a long time, pretending like the owners aren't in charge while everyone knows that the owners are in charge. David Stern handed that over to Silver. We were going to have a lot of questions, and the The worst thing Silver does is win public opinion during the time by taking an owner's team immediately. It wasn't because David... It isn't because Adam Silver is such a great commissioner. It's because all the other owners were already embarrassed by Donald Sterling and wanted him out for an assortment of other reasons. And so what looked like a hard decision that was made swiftly was actually an easy decision that was made over a long period of time, and that was the last drop in the bucket.

So that's where Adam Silver got best and most progressive commissioner in the league. And since then, the league has had a number of different difficulties.

But if you were measuring this the way that you measure Goodell, you'd say Silver is a great commissioner because he makes the league a lot of money.

But that's not the way you do it with Silver.

For some reason, that's not the way you do it with Silver. The league feels like it's got a lot of different problems, but one of the problems it doesn't have is money. That's not a problem. They've got all sorts of new revenue streams. The thing that he's going to have to Malik Beesley's fate also hinges on this Department of Justice announcement that is coming later today, according to Pablo Torre, and that Malik Beesley was previously investigated and cleared by the NBA.

As we know, that doesn't mean Jack anymore for making a bet or two in another sport. Pablo goes on to cite a source that says, The NBA is under strict confidentiality, but you can't control what the government releases.

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Terry Rozier has earned over $133 million in his 10-year career. His current heat contract is $26. 6 million. To the point you guys were making about the fact that gambling is more normalized, and you know that we think that DraftKings is the greatest partner we've ever had by leaps and bounds. The regulation of these things make it so that we know the following, and it becomes hard to explain why the NBA cleared Rozier on what I'm about to say. The original detail on the Rozier reporting, which is a professional better placed 30 wagers in 46 minutes, all involving Terry Rozier in a 2023 game.

Terry's got a problem.

Oh, the problem is that he had too much information and he knew he was going to win.

You don't make that many bets on just Terry Rozier unless you've got inside information. That's the thing. When you guys say this is more regulated than it's ever been, that information is more available to the league than it's ever been, which becomes the question, how did the league clear Terry Rozier? How did Shams report that the league cleared Terry Rozier? And there were no follow-up questions until now in 30 minutes, there's going to be a press conference where Cash Patel answers a bunch of follow-up questions.

I mean, because the commission of the league is the same one who said he's never heard of aspiration. I mean, that's how.

I'd like some answers to questions. They're usually not quite as simple as the knee-jerk reaction you can have moments after partial information has arrived.

I could connect the dots.

It's not the most journalistic of things to do, the connecting of dots, but it's all we have at the moment. Until a half hour from now, they give us some more information on dots connected.

Will we have the unprecedented situation where we break in live?

Should we do this? Should we just break in live to an FBI director's press conference about sports because it involves a Miami Heat player.

The Miami Heat are going to be fun to watch.

They're going to play.

That is the fastest game I've ever seen the Heat play. The Miami Heat have never played a game faster than the one they played last night. That is the fastest recorded game in the history of the Miami Heat. Only the Raptors and Hawks have played a faster game this year.

It was electric. They scored 39 points in the first quarter. I think that's the second most they've ever scored in a first quarter of an opening game. And the pace, they made the magic play at their pace, a team that's defensive-oriented, and they were just running all night. Simone Fantecchio? Simone Fantecchio with 13 points running in the open court. It was a lot of fun to watch. And Davian Mitchell, 11 assists because he's just passing the ball up the court. Norman Powell, it was a lot of fun to watch. Yes, they lost by four.

You mentioned that it was a lot of fun to watch.

I had fun. It was really fun for me to watch. They lost by 40 in game one to the Magic last They lost by four last night.

The magic are good. Magic are real good. Hymehake as your point guard in crunch time minutes, though, is not a good feeling.

The game was fun, but they got swept in the playoffs last year. They lost all of their preseason games. They lost last night. I like them to win a game sometimes.

That would be fun.

That'd be more fun. A lot of consecutive losses.

Let's mix in a win.

They're going to play fast, and I believe they will be a playoff team, but they're going to have trouble at the end of games. So many of these games are decided late, and everybody stops running at the end of the game. At the end of the game, you're not allowed to run around like that.

That is where Tyler Hero will help. He is their best half-court player and last night they don't have him. Hyme Haukees is out there, like Chris said, running the offense. To have both Norman Powell and Tyler Hero available to you, Norman Powell is really good. Having an opportunity to really be the man here for the first few weeks will be great for him, but He was a borderline All-Star last year, and having another All-Star guard next to him offensively will be helpful at the end of the games. It doesn't mean they'll necessarily come through with all of them.

Dan, I got a text from my father last night. He likes to text me during the game's local teams' play. I got a text from my father last night at 7: 36 PM, and all it says is, I don't know any of the heat players.

I'm watching the coverage of this. You understand why. It's rocked the sporting the world. I'm telling you, though, you got your eyes on Terry Rozier and Chauncey Billups when in 2002, do you have your eyes on Marist versus Ryder? Because in college, this shit was always happening. Always. You would see it on the blogs, you would see it on message boards. And now, whether or not it played out that way, sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. But there has been people fixing basketball games in particular forever, forever. Forever. I'm glad that we know about it.

Basketball is the... Forget the individual sports.

College hoops in particular, that is a cesspool of being fixed.

But basketball is the easiest of the major team sports, right?

Yeah, you could just get one player. That's why. You can affect the game more directly. I suppose you can get a pitcher in baseball, but it's easier to fix basketball games because you just have to get in bed with one player. Mike's not wrong when he says that this has been a normal thing since the Black Sox scandal in 1919, where you can have compromised athletes, athletes who are in debt.

I've told you the story before, Travis Henry, the Buffalo Bill's running back, had, I'm going to say, eight children and had a very short career span.

So what happens when he leaves the NFL and has gotten used to that lifestyle? He gets caught for selling an enormous amount of drugs because there's no other way to make a giant amount of money. You know how there is? Play a giant poker game. Play games where the gambling stakes are one flip of a card means a ton of money. But then when you get debt, you get an arrest. And I don't know the details, obviously, on Chauncey Billups. I don't know how...

He could just be having fun poker games because he, as a coach, makes $4 million a year, and it's just a lot of fun. But everywhere, there can be a debt in one of these games if you're playing against Mafia guys that you think are your friends, where next thing you know, you're underwater and you didn't even know you were swimming. You didn't know you were swimming, and all of a sudden, you're drowning.

I'm going to try to paint a picture where one of the reports is inside information. This is all just theorizing and conjecture, right? But you're at a poker game. Someone asks you, What do you think about the nuggets? Well, Jokuj has an angle thing that most people don't know about, boom, inside information. It could be like that. It could be used like that.

Well, more to the point, I would say that the best of professional gamblers, not the sloppy ones, but the ones who know how to make it a business and the ones who know how to make it an occupation, they traffic in information.

It's the most valuable thing. Inside information is the most valuable thing when you're talking about a half point buys you victory. A half a point is all you need as an advantage when you're a professional gambler to be on the right side of winning.

The information brokering that goes on in sports, I don't need to explain to anybody why Chauncey Billups can't be in a poker game with Mafia members, right?

Why the coach of an NBA team can't be in a poker game with Mafia members.

Well, also, we got to find out, do they introduce themselves as that? Hello, what do you do for a living? I'm in a criminal enterprise.

I just got to throw away. You're Chauncey Billups because you're right, everything you just said, how stupid can you be? How stupid are you?

I mean, seriously. I can see where a game of poker that you show up at, don't necessarily know who's at it, what they do.

You don't want to know who's at a super high stakes poker game you're about to show up at?

I think the whole idea is you're not supposed to.

But it doesn't cross your mind that maybe, is it possible these are bad people? Because I'm an NBA head coach. How stupid can you I get it.

A lot of this stuff is an IQ test. But again, it's especially dumb in the pros. It is because of how regulated this thing is. But in college or baked into the sport is half the time, what shot is that? What does this kid doing? They're all developing. So college basketball, like I said, sessful.

They're not all developing. Some of them are G-Leaguers now in college basketball.

Where's the line on this? Because I had a $20 buy-in at my house two weeks ago. Am I good?

You're good. Okay. No.

It's straight to jail.

Jail? Where's the line?

It sounds like you just draw snatched, player.

$20 buy-in, five people, 100 bucks. Come on, what are we doing here?

We're in a small claims.

Well, that is an illegal game, though.

That's what I mean. Where's the line?

That's an illegal It's illegal, but I guess, though-We should keep talking.

We'll find out.

Hope your name isn't called in 30 minutes.

I would assume. Am I in trouble? I wonder, journalistically, I've told you guys before, the rules on this have probably changed, but there was a time in in my life where I was not allowed to take anything that had more than a $25 value. I could take a bag from you, and that wasn't compromising my integrity. Yeah, yo.

Or should I say, yeah, yo?

But not anything that's worth over $25. I'm going to say that a $20 buy-in is so pathetic that the authorities would not be concerned in any way.

I'm going to say- That's what Chauncey did. This is what I'm saying. This is with mean people. I'm saying there are people who have dedicated their lives to monkhood and religion who are laughing at how small time a game you're playing.

It's true. Maybe it was bigger, and I'm afraid. I was worried that I revealed like, Hey, in the state of Florida, I sent a couple of Western unions when I was 19 years old. They care about money made. We got to arrest this guy for losing $7,000 over the course of 10 years.

Get my friend Joey.

Okay, so you guys think that minorities are safe to commit small crimes in today's America, do you?

No, they can't fish, apparently.

If you think that they won't get you on federal wire fraud across state lines for something to admit it to-Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Easy. Don't pay me like that. Again, everything that I say here can't be taken seriously. I am a character.

What do you mean again? That's the first time you're revealing that.

I am a character.

Since when do you reveal that?

My name isn't even Mike.

Hold on a second. Oh, my God. This is infuriating right here. Let me see what I have here. I have to have something.

I'm saying this on the record.

That penalizes this.

You'll pick anything. I am playing a role.

No, you can't explain the show that way.

Minor penalty, two minutes. Tremenda cagasson.

Translation?

I mean, that wasn't the right button to hit Tremenda Cagasson. That song is tremendous shit show, but here we go.

Minor penalty, two minutes for explaining the show.

I don't know why you're starting your sentence with, Again, I'm a character. You've never before revealed you're a character.

We can't lose another cast member.

Amin just fled the premises.

Pablo just took him. Amin was here to do the show with us today.

I wanted to talk about inside the NBA. They didn't change it. Espn left it alone. Good.

How about Barkley?

Very skinny.

Very. Are you a little worried?

He needs new suits. Okay. Does he plan on going bigger again? Because his suit is just too big. He's rich. You'd think for opening night, he'd get a suit that fits.

You guys have him as too skinny here. You have him as too fit.

It's like blousy, I'd call that suit.

It's got to be hard to fluctuate by 100 pounds, and you're not going to have all of the same right-fitting suits. But you're right that on the first opening night, he should have one that fits correctly.

Did he do Ozempic? Yes.

Okay. No, Maggiano, the other one. There are 10 of them now.

Is that an exclusive report? Do you happen to Oh, my God.

Did I just reveal something I wasn't supposed to? Happens to know? I think I just did. Great Scott.

He Happens to know. He Happens to know.

Gather, everyone.

Get the children. He Happens to know.

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