Transcript of Local Hour: Let's Be Giannist

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Zazlo, I need some details on this dream that you had last night. I need you to put us inside of your sleep, please.

I had a good dream. I think it was a good dream. Do you remember your dreams, Greg?

Rarely.

Yeah. Well, I guess if you don't remember your dream, you wouldn't know. Anyway, I remember my dreams. Last night, I had a dream that I was doing a regular shift on ESPN radio. I was doing radio. I had a new co-host. My co-host was Yanes Antetekunpo.

So your sleep is being interrupted by your amount of work. You're working a lot. You're working day and night. You're working on weekends.

You know why? Wives, they love something.

You also like money as well. I think that's part of it. I don't think it's just your wife that likes money. I think you also like money.

So he replaced Amber.

Yeah, and it's not like we weren't together. I was broadcasting where I was, from my home, and he was broadcasting wherever he was. We were not in the same-So you were on Zoom?

You were on Zoom? Yeah. Yannis was on Zoom. Covid radio. Do you remember the subject matter that you were tackling?

Yeah. Well, we talked about a bunch of things. It was like a regular show. But I do remember when we were talking about football, it was not his strong suit. Realistic. He was not strong on the NFL.

So do you remember you were throwing him questions? Yeah. He was in Milwaukee, and you're throwing him questions about the packers or what was happening there?

We were talking, I mean, maybe probably Monday night football because that's what I was last watching before I went to bed last night. So we're probably talking about that game, talking about the Dolphins boy, too. It's shit. But Yannis, he was- Was that his take or yours? No, that's mine. You better believe that. We were talking about everything. But then I woke up at one point. I think it was probably when I woke up this morning when my alarm went off. I thought to myself, I was like, damn, I wanted to see where that was We were in the middle of a good conversation on the air, and I didn't get to finish the dream.

Was that a second job for him? Did you ask him, Why are you in the studio talking to me? No.

It was realistic, Greg. He was imagining that it was a co-host of his, and he was just doing a regular show. Yeah, it seemed normal to me. But do you recall? God, I'm really carrying him right now. He doesn't know anything on football.

Yeah, he's a lot better at basketball than he is in radio.

My co-host isn't giving me what I need here. Yeah.

I do remember, actually, I was late to the show, all right? So we didn't get to do any show prep. We didn't do any pre-production meeting or anything like that. I didn't know who my co-host was until I sat down and we turned the show. I was like, Oh, Morgan went Yannis today.

Was his show called Let's Be Yannis?

I like it.

That's pretty good.

That's good humor.

That's my boy.

I didn't really like it. I was just trying to support you.

I would have preferred the silence last for about four months. I would have preferred to just sit in the silence instead of you, yes, Anning, the idea that the name of the show would be Let's be Yannis.

My clue guy.

It's just we could have sat in that silence and made everybody wonder whether or not we'd gone off the air, whether the power had gone out, and it would have just been Chris sitting and stewing in his own diarrhea. Instead, you rush in to support him, but not well. I like it. It isn't much in the way of support. It's just filling the silence with three syllables.

I'll be honest, I could have been better.

This is the Dan Levatore Show with the Stugats podcast. I had something happen to me yesterday during that Dolphin game that has legitimately never happened to me before in the history of covering the Dolphins. When Tua slid in front of the first down, didn't get the first down, needed a yard, got half a yard, and then they had to punt, the next 10 years of football flash before me because when he wasn't athletic enough to get a first down that required half a yard, I thought to myself, at least, Drake May and Josh Allen aren't at the top of the division with their athleticism. It's legitimately never happened to me before where I'm watching something, I'm like, Oh, my God, that is not not good enough for whatever evolves in this sport. Never mind the division. Whatever evolves in the sport. He's run 20 times this season. He's got one first down. Barry Jackson had that stat last night. To run 20 times means you have a quarterback who cannot get you out of trouble under any circumstances while in a division with quarterbacks who are wildly athletic that you're going to have a hard time catching up to if the sport changes much more.

The The game last night was frustrating to watch for a number of reasons, not just because the Dolphins lost. I am so tired of nobody throwing it down the field, like just throwing it to tight ends, throwing it to running backs. But how does Aaron Rodgers at 41 look more athletic than Tua?

Because he is. Is he? Yeah.

Oh, yeah, of course. Most quarterbacks.

I took him out for sneaks, dude.

The thing that they did with Aaron Rodgers that was funny, trying to build the mythology around him, because I was frustrated by that game, the number of push-pushes, third and one, push your way twice with a 311 pound tight end. To get a yard, just waste my time. The watching of this season has been a waste of time to anybody who cares about football in South Florida. But the way they tried to frame Aaron Rodgers, the wording that they used, Aaron Rodgers is standing 10 feet behind the line of scrimmage. He's got nothing to do with the play. He's watching it the way the rest of us are. And they say, There's Aaron Rodgers doing his thing.

That's great.

What do you mean that's him doing his thing? He's just standing there watching. He's a spectator like the rest of us. They also, one time that he did it, called him a gunslinger. I'm like, What are you talking about? He's throwing 50 times to gain well and his 10 tight ends.

And the best part of that was his hands were in his pockets staying warm. So had there been a fumble right in front of them, his hands were-He's only got one good hand.

He can't even do anything with the other one. There was a sequence in which there was a small button hook route that would have been a down, and Aaron Rodgers short hopped it moments after screaming at the sideline about how they got the play in. I was like, There's Aaron Rodgers doing his thing.

How much do you guys love Darnell Washington? It took six-He's electric. It took six dolphins to bring him down. That's crazy. He's still listed as 267. They put him at 267. He's 50 pounds heavier than that.

He's three bills easy. That's how bad that game was. I was just watching him a lot. Let me tell you, Adam Thielen, masterclass in wide receiver block. It was unbelievable.

Would you agree with me that the best number for a big giant guy to wear is number 80? That you've got two round numbers and it fits on a 311 pound person better than any other number? Maybe double zeros would be better, but the number 80-69 slaps.

One would be funny.

I can't do 80. It's a wide receiver number in my mind. It's just Jerry Rice. I can't get it out of my mind.

Best 80 for the Dolphins? Irving Friar.

Farrell Edmonds.

Wasn't Joe Rose number 80?

I think he was 84.

Was he 84? I think he was.

No, I think he was 80.

It's good. I think Zaz might have this right. Can you look this up for me? I can't remember. I'm terrible at this. I'm really bad at uniform numbers, but I think of Joe Rose. Famous number 80. He was number 80? Wow, you really inserted Joe Rose by going to Irving Friar and anybody else other than Joe Rose.

Irving Friar was so good with the Dolphins. What are you talking about?

Joe Rose is an institution. If I said Irving Freier, legend, locally? Are you a zombie or not a legend? No, not a legend.

Not a dolphin legend?

Not a Dolphin. Joe Rose is a legend. Is he?

Yeah. Yeah, but Joe Rose is a legend because of his radio career.

Irving Friar was much better on the football field for the Miami Dolphins than Joe Rose was.

I think Joe Rose's greatest season was About 350 yards at tight end.

Irving Friar was pretty good for that day and age.

He was very good for the Dolphins.

If he's not a legend, he's a luminary.

Not for long, though. What? Two, three years at most? Yeah.

345 yards for the big dog.

But Zazlo has said that he's a legend and that Irving Friar is not a legend. And so if someone's a legend and wore number 80, then he is the most legendary number 80.

No, he's not wearing number 80 leaning into a mic. He's better at radio than he was at football. Good point.

Irving Friar had back-to-back thousand-year-old seasons.

That's pretty good. He had a couple of seasons with a lot of touch downs, too, didn't he? Didn't he have one season? I remember- His first year was a Dolphins.

Was it? Was it? Was it? It was awesome.

Guys, Brian Hartline had a couple of thousand-year-old seasons.

It's a different era.

In '93, he had 1,010 yards and five touch downs. In '94, he had 1,270 yards and seven touch downs. Then in his third season with the Dolphins in '95, it was 910 yards but eight touch downs before going to Philadelphia, where he caught 11 touch downs the following season.

Fred Barnet trade.

Three seasons. Not a legend.

Chris, are you aware of where Brian Hartline is now? You are aware.

Follow the news, Dano.

Better coach than player. Easily, right?

We got a recruiter. I don't think we know about coach yet. We know he's a good recruiter.

He's coaching them up.

But you want to share with the audience the whereabouts? South Florida. Brian Hardline.

A bull. Dan's beloved USF Bulls. Loves everything that's in Tampa.

Don't they They play. They play tomorrow, don't they? It doesn't sound Florida. The bowl season is about to kick off, is it not? Yes, it is. I saw that the interim coach for Michigan said that the players feel betrayed by the Sheron Mohr's story. He was quoted at the Cheese It Citrus Bowl, and I'd learned his name then. It's a terrible name, Biff Poggi.

Have you seen what he looks like?

You know about Biff. Google him.

Have you seen what he looks like?

Have you seen this guy before? Biff Poggi? Yeah, you've seen this guy before.

At Lebitard Show, can you be great athlet, or can you be a champion athlet if your name is Biff with two Fs at Lebitard Show? Let's talk about the end of this Dolphins season and the problem of architecture that they have, because if you cut to it today, it will hurt you just as much as if you keep him all of next season against the salary cap. It's the same amount.

This is such an easy decision. I don't understand why this is a thing where it's, Oh, if you cut to it, it's 56 million dollars. If you cut them, it's the same amount of money if you keep them. Great. If you have a bad player and it costs you the same amount of money to have a bad player on your team as it would to not have a bad player on your team, wouldn't you always pick to not have the bad player?

Not if you're in transition next year and it's a bad quarterback class this year. It's a bad quarterback class. Your solution next year won't be better than two. It's not saying much.

Get whatever veteran off the scrapheat for $10 million.

You want Minchou? Yeah. I mean, Philip Rivers. Do me the favor. Jeremy, I don't know the backstory. I have heard over my life the phrase Old Man River. I don't know where it comes from. I don't know anything about it other than a phrase. Does anyone here know the phrase Old Man River?

I know it was a famous song. I don't know the origin of the phrase. Maybe the song popularized the phrase.

Please find out for me because Philip Rivers is obviously a ridiculous selection. And Zaz, I think you're being sports radio short-sighted. Any veteran is better as if you could just go get Kirk Cousins and feel better about your bandage next year than the one you presently have to pay anyway.

Greg Cody is right. From the musical Showboat with music by Jerome Kern and lyrics by Oscar Hammerstein II.

Dan, how can you expect to ask fans to pay their hard-earned money to come to games next year and you continue to throw Tua out there? That's why you get rid of him and just pick someone up off the street.

Okay, but when he's decent, he's decent. That's the issue. Okay, yes, his peaks are very, very low. But what he can do when everything is clicking, got him best completion percentage in the league.

He's not that quarterback anymore, though.

He isn't, dude.

He's not that guy. This is a different player.

As an independent, every time that guy dropped back, it was a disaster. It was a disaster. And it would fool box score, too, because if you see the stats, you're wondering. I fell asleep during that game. I thought the quarterback play was so poor on both sides. I actually left that game thinking, Philip Rivers is better than both these guys.

He gets 60 yards in the third quarter.

Every time that dude dropped back, you were fearful of a disaster.

Yes, he was sacked a bunch of times last night, but the IQ is so low now. The decision-making is so unbelievably low.

It's fair to question what's happened to his brain.

It's fair. It's like there was a play yesterday late in the game, right, where Aaron Rodgers, and grand, Aaron Rodgers is probably one of the smartest quarterbacks to ever play the game. But there was a play where Aaron Rodgers, instead of throwing the ball away as he was about to be sacked, he decided to fall down so that the clock would keep running.

It literally caused me in my fantasy season. We don't have to get into that.

Because, hey, this is a good thing to even take the sack but have the clock running. And the possession right before that, when the Dolbets are trying to conserve time, which maybe they He didn't really know that because they were huddling. But you would want to conserve time. And Tua, he's rolling out. And instead of throwing the ball away to stop the clock, he takes a sec.

Let's be honest. He's done. He's done.

This isn't like, Hey, you think Tua is good over here. I think Tua stinks over here. This is not the same player the previous five years.

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Don Levatard.

We got to go back out there. That was big. Wake him up.

He doesn't want to be bothered anymore. Now it's getting tense because he didn't need that as a result. He needs something that happens. You can see him mother-effic.

Can we bother? Are we bothering you right now?

Turn your microphone, Greg.

My microphone's on.

Stugatz.

Paint the scene.

The paint the scene is I got to go to work. Good night.

This is the Dan Levatard show with the Stugatz. So Zazlo last night on Twitter says, We're watching the worst starting quarterback in the entire league. Get rid of this guy. He's completely cooked as an NFL quarterback. Here are some stats. He's 0 and 6 in temperatures below 40 degrees. He's 3 and 12 in his last 15 games against winning teams, 3 and 12. And in seven of those, half those games, he hasn't gotten to 20 points. And as Tony mentioned, the stats at the end of the third quarter, 6 for 10, 65 yards, one interception. And the interception was him trying to throw the ball down the field. And It was just a terrible throw.

It was a bad throw.

Bad decision and a bad throw, and it fluttered. It seemed like his arm's strength was affected by whatever the cold was. The ball started waffling as if you were skeet shooting and it just hit a quail. The ball just didn't go anywhere and was easy to pick off. Now he leads the league in interceptions with 15.

Here's one more. All 15 of his interceptions have been against zone defenses. That's a big problem because when you see that stat, you throw a zone I'm going to say him.

To add to that right there, I'm not some football expert, but to me, that feels like that's a Qby who doesn't know what he's seeing then. Am I right about that?

Well, they kept giving that stat last night. I did not know that stat before last night. They kept giving the stat last night. I will also add to this. Jelen Waddle is a number one draft pick. There have to be ways to get a number one wide receiver more than two catches a game unless by design, you're so scared of your quarterback throwing the ball down the field that you're just going to throw to Achan, throw to Achan, throw to Achan, and then spend the fourth quarter throwing to Waller. But Wadl, the amount of investment that you made in Wadl, both financially and where it is that you selected him, if he's not a bust, he's pretty close to it for where it is that you drafted him. I know he had trade value, and I know they didn't want to trade him. But in the present confines of what they're doing, Jalen Waddle is not someone you can trust to be any game-breaker. First of all, he drops the ball too much. But a number one receiver... Show me all the number one in the receiver's in the league who go two catches for 20 yards.

Any time. A. J. Brown.

A. J.

Brown, yeah. He's had three straight 100-yard games. I know.

It happens. And we're getting to the point with Waddle. Waddle has impressed me a little bit this season. I know he does a thing where he pulls himself out of games, but it's gotten to the point with Waddle where, how am I supposed to evaluate this guy fairly with this quarterback who is so dreadful?

I just hate that we're all judging to a based on this one terrible season. If in the next three games, he looks better than he has all season, that counts, too.

Oh, but why is that going to happen?

No, if he looks like the best quarterback in the league for his next three starts, I'd be like, Hold on a minute.

Why would you think that's going to happen?

Because that's what he's playing for right now. See, Tua has become the underdog, the long shot. If you like that a story, all of a sudden, Tua is your guy because you're rooting for him. I don't disagree. That's fantasy land. I don't disagree that he's had a terrible season. It's his worst season of his NFL career.

Greg, you've got to give up on him. You think this is correctable? You think the things that he's talking about where Mike's saying it's fair to question his brain. Zaz is saying that you simply cannot trust him. He's the worst quarterback in the league. And you're pointing out that he's thrown 15 interceptions more than anyone in the league all against zone, which required decision making.

No, I'm not excusing this season. I'm not.

You're saying it's fixable, and I don't think anyone thinks that.

Well, what I'm saying is, and I wrote this in my column in The Herald, I've been one of his biggest supporters, and he's losing me. I have two, by the way. That's how bad he's been.

I have also. I have been one of his biggest supporters.

He's lost all his supporters. Joe Rose was supporting him all to the start of the season. What do you support? Everyone is out on him. I don't know anyone's still defending him at all.

I saw a stat during the game that the Dolphins, the last 16 third and 10s, have completed zero. They've had zero conversions of third down and 10 or more, and 16 tries. That's insane.

Well, that was the problem in the first half. That's why they're down 28 to three or whatever the score was, because they couldn't make a third down. And that's on Tua. He had a terrible game, and the fourth quarter inflated his stats and his rating made it seem statistically like he wasn't the problem. He was the problem.

I know that this is somewhat redundant that we've done this, but I will tell you the last time I saw something in my own opinion making that feels like what you're presently doing with Tua and have been doing it all season. When Wadstet, the first couple of seasons was 11: 05 and 10: 06, I'm like, You can't fire that. You can't fire 11: 05 and 10: 06. You can't. Everybody was howling about it. Then 4: 12, they don't have a quarterback, and I'm too late. I didn't have any vision whatsoever. You sitting here holding on to Tua, and frankly, the dolphin sitting here holding on to Tua, gets in the way of anything in the way of progress if you think this is fixable. This is not fixable. He cannot do anything other than- Just stop right there. Other than throw the ball sideways and behind the line of scrimmage.

No mobility, no arm, no situational wear.

That's a bad problem, the mobility Yes, it is.

All of it. No vision.

No. Look, I'm not excusing- What are you doing? The season he's had. I'm saying to a next season versus what is the alternative? Zack Wilson? No, thanks. No. I don't think so.

The alternative is moving on. That's the alternative.

Yeah, it's just closing the book there. It's not a great quarterback draft class, but there are going to be some quarterbacks available. Make a move.

And by the way, please laugh more on the sideline with the camera on you down Down 28 to nine. Please, please chuckle it up. You know what? The only thing missing when he was laughing on the sideline there down 28 to nine, give him a microphone so he could yell to everyone, Show me the money. Laught some more.

Are we sure he's not sobbing?

I watched the play. Somebody must have said something hysterical to him. Laught it up to him.

You can be screaming in pain, maybe, like giving a nice little war cry for the team's ass.

Greg Cody It seems to be making the argument that this is fixable, that this is redeemable, that this is a blip, that it's a bad season, that it's an aberration.

Yeah, I would not write him off at this moment, okay? But I would also say he has a lot of proving to do in his sixth year, which is terrible. I remember when Ryan Tannehill was in his seventh season, and the narrative around him was, Is he good enough? Is he the guy? And you don't want to be saying that in the sixth or seventh season, and we're doing it again with Tua.

Actually, you're the only one doing it. Everyone's out on him. Tannehill, actually, we were still having the conversation sixth and seventh.

It was actually worse with Tannehill because we didn't know.

We were still wondering Where's he? Bring him over. Seasons in. This is crazy to think about, the idea that You're talking about the entirety of the 2000s so far. We're sitting here arguing about, well, maybe it's AJ Healey. We're arguing for 25 years about, do the Dolphins have a quarterback? And the answer, except for one The season is no.

I want to play devil's advocate for Greg. The argument for keeping Tua is working with him, seeing if he can recapture some of that for him because it is pretty much a quarterback wasteland in terms of who's available. You have Daniel Jones coming off an Achilles injury is the best name. You have Sam Howell, who's played some starting quarterback in the league. In terms of trade targets, Kyler Murray is your best option over there. That's a bum, too.

It's not great. Jacobi Brisset came off the couch, Mike, and they have- Jacobi Brisset, if he were available, let's go.

He was on the So much better than two of us.

He was on the team a couple of years ago.

We've done that, guys. We've literally done that. He wasn't better than he wasn't.

No, he wasn't better than that to us. He's certainly better than this to us.

The thing that is also concerning to me, because you guys have heard me for practically 25 years say, I don't understand how it is that the Dolphins keep drafting offensive linemen and can never block anybody. He did get sacked four times last night, but that offensive line hasn't been something I've been complaining about all year in terms of protecting him. They've been fine. They've been protecting him.

Much better. Paul's good.

He's holding the ball, though. He's holding the ball, Greg. It's not because... At some point in the last couple of years, I would have blamed the offensive line for some of what was happening to him. I can't do that this year. Yeah.

And the defense, which had been much better lately, had a- They were good last night. They had a horrific second half, though. They were always on the field. They couldn't... They I missed more tackles last night than I've seen them miss all season.

Here's the thing that we're doing today and this season that we hadn't done until now. If I'm not blaming the offensive line, and he's got the support of a running game, because he does, like Achan rushes the ball. He's got running game support. Then your problem is the quarterback. The problem on your offense is your highest paid player. I mean, that's an architectural flaw that can't be overcome.

No, it has been this season. I mean, Pittsburgh was scheming to take away Achan and force the game into Tua's hands, and rightly so, because Tua didn't do anything with it. He's had a terrible season. Is this the end of his Dolphins career? Probably. But for me, I think he's got three more games and next season, and then that's it.

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Don Levatard.

Quiet man. Yes. I'm a married man. I don't cheat on my wife despite that gratuitous line back in my day.

That you wrote. Stugatz.

I wish you were here, my wife. I really miss her. No, I don't. That's the thing about being married. You're not allowed to say, I don't miss my wife. I've been gone two days. I haven't been gone long enough to miss my wife. I'm sorry. I call her. I'm on the phone with her for 30 seconds. What am I? Hello. All right. All right. We'll see you. All right. And then I'm going to see her in two days. How's jumping Charlie? Good.

This is the Dan Levatard show with the Stugats.

Considering what the coach did with Tua when he got here, wouldn't you be slightly interested to see what the coach can do with another quarterback? I would.

Sure. Yeah, I mean, of course. Yeah, of course. But Tua, everybody's going to have grown. Tua did make a pro ball. We have seen good Tua. We haven't seen six years of abject failure. We have seen Tua when he's pretty good. And I'm just not ready to write him off. Now, if you read the column I wrote, you're not going to get the idea that I'm forgiving his good season, and I think all as well. It was probably the most critical column I've written about to her because I've been, and you, too, I think I've been to his biggest supporter, and he's losing me. I get the narrative that we got to give up on this guy, everybody calling him a bum, the worst quarterback in the league. It isn't true. But Maybe this season it is. I'll give you that.

Let me again, though, do what it is that I did over a half-yard that I can do over the next 10 years, okay? When Tua's last nine games, and many of them have been wins, they were winning in a way that made Rex Ryan go on television yesterday and say, Hey, nerd boy, you turned it around. Congratulations. Hats off to you.

Term of endearment now.

Over the last nine games, Tua is 10 touch downs and 11 interceptions. Now, the 11 interceptions are problematic enough. But I would also say when Josh Allen is putting up four touch downs a game, nine games with 10 touch downs is also the same problematic. It's not even like you're getting the turnovers and the plays. You're getting an equal number of turnovers to touchdowns, which makes you Jay Fiedler. That's what that makes you. If you're going to be in the modern... It's not even Jay Fiedler.

Yeah, he's not as good as Jay Fiedler.

It's not even Jay Fiedler during an age that was different. It's during this age. Actually, during Jay Fiedler's age, you could be a quarterback who had as many touch downs as interceptions. Now, nobody turns the ball over. But when you're playing against Drake May and Josh Allen in your division, and that's what you're going up against it with, we have to acknowledge that everything that happened with Tua leading the league in passing, Tyreek Hill was that. That's the reason that all of that happened. You take Tyreek Hill out, and you've got a totally pedestrian quarterback.

It was also the system that kept everything decisive, right? That's when Tua was at his best. Decisive. One step, throw. One step, throw. Tyreek, yaq. Waddle, yaq. Hane. Yeah, now you take Tyreek out. Wadl can't do anything. Wadl has been decent when he's been on the field, but you're going to give the ball to Hane 40 times a game. You're going to kill him.

Of course, you missed Tyreek, and so did Patrick Mahomes, by the way, and still does. But look, if you're judging Tua solely by this season. I have no rebuttal because he's been awful. He's been terrible this season. There's no excuse for it. I'm not equivocating it. I think he's better than he's shown this season. I think he's young enough not to give up on his future. He's got a ton to prove. I'm giving him three games. He's got next season because they don't have a great alternative to him next season beyond the financial aspect. And so that's the only place I differ. Everybody else is saying, he stinks. He's the worst. No, he's not. Give him one more season.

I think what's fooling you is what we're seeing right now with Tua with a 27-year-old quarterback is normally what we wind up seeing with the 37-year-old quarterback. Because if you were 37, you wouldn't be saying he's just having a bad year. Maybe he'll bounce back and be like, No, this is the end. He's cooked. And I think that's the confusing part for you because he's only 27, but I believe that is the case that his career is ending now after just six years instead of being in the league for 12 years.

Okay, you may be right, but I'm not confused about anything. I know exactly how old he is.

Talk to the mic.

I know exactly how old he is.

But we've never seen this before, a quarterback at 27 looking like he's 37 is what I'm trying to say.

You've seen plenty of quarterbacks have bad seasons in their prime. It happens. The problem with Tua is that he doesn't have another part of his game to make up for it, right? No, I totally agree with that. And part of that is you're worried about, Oh, my God, I hope Tua doesn't get another concussion because that'll retire him. Well, what he's doing is playing a game to avoid concussions.

Oh, he looks scared out there.

Well, and that's a real problem, man. When he's running and has to pick up two yards for a first down, what are the odds against that?

And the field's open in front of him, and you see that he looks like he's running in molasses. What do you make of this, Jalen Ramsey sound? Jalen Ramsey traded to the Steelers on the field. This is Jalen Ramsey. He's talking about to her, right? He's weak as fuck.

After a big play, looking at the camera, going off the field, he's weak as... He's weak as fuck. Just mean. I'm as out on two as anybody. I'm not like that. He's weak as fuck.

You're the one playing it.

I want to turn your attention to examples like Carson Wents and Robert Griffin III, quarterbacks that had it cooking for a little bit, both an MVP consideration and then injury changed their careers. Carson Wents has fought like hell to stay in the league. Robert Griffin III pushed out of the league. Injuries caused that. Injuries might be causing this one. It's just not one that you can see. He's not this guy that leaned on his athleticism like RG3, or it's not an elbow injury the way that it was with Carson Wents. It's between the ears.

He's an avatar for our lack of understanding of brain chemistry and brain injuries in that sport, because I don't know how to discuss responsibly that his brain is scrambled. But if the performance, if you had to hypothetically come up with a performance that would look like what the hell happened, it would look a lot numerically and in play, Greg, like what it is that we're watching, where you could play zone defense against him. Zone doesn't work against anybody in that league who's any good at quarterback.

It has varying levels, but it's not... Look, he's faced zone in his career and hadn't had these types of issues.

Fifteen interceptions in today's League, whatever it is you guys think of inflation in the economy, him having more interceptions than Gino Smith. Give me the stat of the day for a second. Give me the stat of the day music so I can tell you what it is that Kenny Picket was doing on Sunday against the Seattle Seahawks.

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That's a good one. Speaking of the Seahawks- Can I give the stat of the day?

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Well, I was going to just mention as an aside that Sam Darnal has more turnovers this season than Tua. The reason you never hear about it is that Sam Darnal is surrounded by a great team, and so his faults are not exposed under a microscope like Tua's are. That's all.

And also Seattle is great, and so is their offense.

That's what I just said. Thank you. I just said he's surrounded by a better team than Tua.

You get some of the pluses with Sam Darnal. What's the stat?

The stat is that the Raiders had 75 yards of total offense against the Eagles. That is the lowest number the Eagles have ever held an opponent to. It's the second lowest total the Raiders have ever had in a game. The 75 yards, nine teams have had a player do that on a single play this season. On a single play, the Raiders going pick it to lock it, which I like poetically, pick it to lock it. They We didn't do anything. The fact that Gino Smith has fewer turnovers than Tua when that team offensively has not only been a disaster, it's been a disaster that makes me wonder what the American media was doing thinking Tom braided was cheating by wearing a headset to help the Raiders' offense. We all yelled about that. He wasn't helping, isn't helping at all. Neither was Chip Kelly. And what it is that Tua has done in terms of turnovers in an It's designed, by the way, Greg. This is the thing about the 15 turnovers that's most alarming. It's all designed so that he doesn't turn the ball over. The only time he's turning it over is when he dares to go down the field.

It's not like any of these screen passes are ending up in the turnovers. They're trying to hide their quarterback. You can't do that in the NFL.

Like I say, I have no excuse for the season he's having.

Tua threw the ball away on the two-point conversion attempt.

Yeah, he Why would you throw it away on a two-point conversion?

I can return that. That's two points.

Did just have a pick two.

That never happens.

I do think it's curious, and I know they have axes to grind, and I know they're outspoken. Hell, one of them retired after playing the Dolphins. But Xavier and Howard and Jalen Ramsey. Those are guys I went up against in practice often, and they don't seem to have the greatest things to say about them. Xavian Howard said, You take away the primary read, he's done. Xavian Howard, the same Xavian Howard.

I think he said something about Tua panicking, right?

Yeah, the same Xavier and Howard that decided, I can't play anymore. He had a pretty good game against the Dolphins week one because he knew who he was going up against Tua. It is just curious. They're former teammates.

I hate watching him. I do. I hate it. I hate watching him.

Everybody does this season.

You're pretty alone here.

I know.

And you've been alone all season on it. You're like Mr. Lown.

I feel like he's sitting on the fence, if you ask me.

Really? Fence sitter. You just wanted to play that sound. That is absolutely not fence.

He's like, I see why everyone's criticizing him, but I'm not. It's like, What are you... I'll do it again.

Fence-sitter.

Have an opinion. Have an opinion. The easiest thing in the world is in the middle of the season he's having to say, Tua stinks. He's the worst quarterback in the league. Let's get rid of him. You're zagging? He's done. He's spying.

He's zazing.

I mean, that's the easy opinion is to say Tua sucks.

It's It's also easy to talk in the mic, but we don't all do it.

It's a fair point. Closer to a pragmatic view is that at age 27, I'm not willing to give up on this guy entirely, particularly when I look at their economic situation and who's better next season. Give him three more games, give him next season, and then make a move. The Dolphins have shown, by the way, in that four-game win streak in five out of six, they've shown that when you have HN running and a better defense, you can win games.

No, they just played bad teams. They just played bad teams, Greg. They were really bad teams. Come on, I gave you the stats, Greg. The last 15 times they played good teams, teams with a winning record. They've lost 12 of them. He's 06 in 40 degrees temperatures. What do you think you're going to get on the road in December when you have to go on the road? You're going to get those flutter balls that he was throwing last night whenever he dared to go down the field. It's weird to me that I've just felt over the course of this hour and this season, Chris, what your mom feels like married to your dad. He's just stubborn. I am stubborn.

I'll give you that. But that's all you're doing.

You're just sitting here saying, Well, I've still got a chance to be right. Let's just give him 20 more games.

I acknowledge what everyone sees, and I see it too, but I know he's terrible, but maybe he'll stop being terrible.

I know he's in the middle of the worst season of his career. Whether we're writing him off because of that is where we all differ. I'm not writing them off at age 27, come on.

Guys, I'm very excited to announce. I've been moving. I've been moving stuff out of the house and trying to find stuff and whatever. Look what I found, the Things to Ponder file. Zaz, you know about this? No. It's things that you want to ponder. You put it in the file, you take it out, you ponder them.

He's moving homes, and you locate a bunch of things that you haven't seen in a while. I think that's pandemic era. I think that file is four years old. Where did you find it? Where was it?

It was underneath a book somewhere in an attic. But the question de jour- It was supposed to be hiding things. This was three years ago? Baker, 20 million or two at 55 million. That's something that we were asking a couple of years ago.

That's what they're putting that out there. I'm not positive you didn't write that last night, but go ahead.

Why would I do that? You're accusing him of being counterfeit?

That takes too perfect, a little too perfect me.

How about this? How about, will Aaron Rodgers finish top three in MVP voting? Is that carbon dated enough for you?

With what team?

It doesn't matter.

Who cares? He would have if the voting was last night.

How about this one to carbon dated? Will Bill Belichick ever coach again?

Yes.

Unfortunately. These are four-year-old things that you found in a file under a book. I don't believe you have either a book or an attic in your house, so I don't believe you're being accurate about.

Not an attic. It was like a top of a closet. My How about China buying US farmland? Thanks to Ponder. I don't know what happened there. Who put that there?

Bill Gates.

How did that get there?

This does seem authentic.

It does seem like that's a little bit dated. Can you imagine if they had Baker Mayfield right now? I imagine it would feel a little bit different, although they would still be behind Josh Allen and Drake May in their division.

Last one, Russell Wilson at 2 million or Tua at 55 million?

That one you actually got wrong.

Russell Wilson will be available if you guys want him next year.

I'll take him. Jeremy has 11 quarterbacks that will be free agents next year that he wants more than two.

Name them with fanfare. Let's go. Top 11. All right. 11.

Well, I don't know. All right. Sam Howell.

Number 10.

Tommy DeVito.

Oh, God.

Number 9. Garner Minchu.

Number 8.

Carson Wentz.

Number 7.

Trey Lance.

Oh, God.

Number 6.

Case Keenum.

Whoop. Number 5.

Mitch Trubisky. Number 4. Jimmy Garoppolo.

Number 3.

Tyrod Taylor.

Number 2.

Marcus Mariota. Number 1.

Russell Wilson.

Wow. This proves our point. There's probably two or three guys there you legitimately want more.

You wouldn't rather have Marcus Mariotta? You wouldn't rather have Joe Flacko? No. You wouldn't rather have Jimmy Garoppolo?

Jimmy G.

You wouldn't rather have Mitch Trubisky?

No.

Are you serious? I absolutely would. Then another year of this?

I got one more thing in the Ponder file. Zaz, I want you to ponder this one long and hard.

You ready? Don't waste my time.

That is a Viking.

Christian Ponder.

Oh, that is a Ponder. I'd rather have him, too.

Christian Ponder in the Ponder file.