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Wants to make Belichick a physical prop in these games where you just put him in a hermetically sealed cage on the sidelines.

Oh, I'm in on this.

Loser gets Belichick. That wouldn't be this weekend because I don't think Kyle Shanahan is going to be fired by anybody. Except God bless football.

He should be.

I mean, Billy and Stugott, I believe they are leading what is not a very crowded national train on thinking Kyle Shanahan isn't very good at his job.

I'm not even certain Billy thinks that.

I don't know what.

I'm sorry about that, Billy. He has no business. Like, if he loses this game to Dallas, he should be fired and they should consider Bill Belichick. Dan, you are amazed. Eight times super bowl champion, six as a head coach, two times as a coordinator for the Giants. They should change the name. I was thinking about this. Seriously. On the golf course. On a gummy. I was thinking about this. They should change the name from the Lombardi trophy to the Belichick trophy. How about that? Seriously, right?

What hole were you on?

Four.

And how many milligrams?

Valhalla? 40.

Oh, no, good God.

Oh, good God is right.

Yeah.

I mean, how about that?

You're still alive.

That's a game you try to lose, right? If you get Belichick, if that's the prize, right. You try to lose that game, you.

Can have him right now and win the game. And to not go through with the good boy, not go through with the stuff about losing the game, that's an.

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Since we're promoting things, Mike, just give people all of the information that they.

I don't know if Sue Gods will be in on that day.

I just asked Mike if I am.

In on that day.

I have no.

He was just kind of being on that day. Maybe that's when the field bets.

I just learned that I have a watch party. I've got to put in the calendar at Flanagan's because you're informing me of this for the first time, but because these are valuable things. When we were doing things like this at ESPN, people were paying 30 and $35,000. That went to the Jimmy V. Foundation. Tell the people again, because Miller Light has been a very good sponsor here. All of the information that they need to have about winning something that people would like. That includes a bit of a gambling element on the show and weekend observations. Why is Billy making faces as if his face hurt?

I'm just learning things. It's fine. Not for air.

You're learning well. Can you tell me if Sugatz is going to be in that, too?

I don't.

Yeah, I mean, observations say I need them.

I set the schedule. I did. I mean, give me some credit.

I am looking at this for the first time. Mike, any more information on how people can sign up for this?

Yeah. Go to traffickings.com and look out for it. And on my social channels and leptard show social channels channels will put out more information.

It's really cool, Dan, because I was asked some questions about how to do this and like so the people will be able to guess on a weekly basis who was back this week, you know. Okay, so if it started this week, the obvious choice would have been you. You're back. You were gone for 10 days and I had you as being back, you.

Know, so you should make these harder. You should make. You should be a little unpredictable here to see how interesting you can make the betting.

You never know who's going to be back.

Can you not get his brain going there? Because this can be a rigged competition if you are inherently evil. They're sinister or looking for an angle.

Right.

And Sukat is at least two of those three.

Thank you, Mike. So I was thinking because Dan, there are always multiple people who could be back this week. It could have been Russell Wilson, it could have been the NBA. I want you. I mean so I mean I would. I don't think a lot of people would have guessed that to be honest.

But what Mike Ryan is saying though is that we might have a situation like the one in the NBA where Porter gets gonged for betting his own prop bet. What Mike is saying is that stugots can make this so obscure that he, he's winning the watch party so he just doesn't have to come to it.

I would say if I were to handicap it right now, the odds on favorite to win this is Taylor.

Yeah, that's probably which at that point.

The contest is over because I don't want to hang out with Taylor at a flan against.

Right. But Dan's got me thinking, can I bet on this?

Since you were mentioning though things that we're promoting, we have another documentary coming out now on Netflix today, the Comeback. It's getting very good reviews. The 2004 Boston Red Sox. So that's on Netflix. Netflix tonight. If you'd like to enjoy. It's a three part docu series. If you'd like to enjoy reliving Boston's best sports moment, which I just view as one of New York's worst. That's the reason we made the documentary as a company. Let's celebrate one of the worst moments in New York sports history. Since we're doing 20 years of nostalgia around here, let's go behind the bit here. It's something that we're doing every week around here and every other week around Here Mike Ryan is working hard on an oral history that releases on Fridays. But this bit right here is the lie detector bit. Big Joe Harper made his first appearance on the show. We decided it'll be self explanatory, but to finally pin we. This was a surprise to Stugatz, as I recall. We're going to pin him down on some of his lies.

This is behind the bit. This is behind the bit. This is behind the bit.

We take you back to a better time in the show's history, a time, at least for me, where I was happiest, because we were at espn.

Joe Harper is here. He's got a bullet in his neck. Stugatz is strapped up to. He's got things around his chest. He's got a blood blood pressure machine around his arm. He's got sensors on his fingers. Joe, give us an update on what it is. All this stuff that, that is on Stugatz, what's it measuring?

Attachments on the chest. Those are to measure respiration. Okay. While you're breathing. And when someone lies, all the smooth muscles around the lungs and the heart contract. Big Joe Harper, what has he ever done?

Stugotts thought he could outsmart the lie detector, not Joe Harper. The machine and his lies ended up getting worse. Why were you bald? Had you been Paul Feinbaum like the day before?

I had lost some sort of bet that you got me, me kind of entangled in. That had nothing to do with me. It was like, I bet with like you and Golic, I think. Oh, no, that was Golic. When he. When he massaged my ass. Anyway, I'm sorry.

Didn't have anything to do with it.

It was another bad. I was bald. I think it was the fine biome. I look better bald. I look younger. I sound better. I look healthier.

You look so much healthier than.

I mean, that guy is hot. Yes.

No, less repugnant, but healthier.

Thank you.

Dan, what was the worst lie detector test result that Joe Harper ever saw and was stewed worse.

Well, first off, for the record, okay, that lie detector machine is faulty. I will tell you that right now. Because I did drink that shot in college and I did not fart that day in the studio. It was him.

Okay, there we go. And so there we go. So years after the lie detector, you didn't answer her question at all. She asked, what do you remember from the lies? That he doesn't remember his lies.

The one that hurts the most is Joe Harper recently asked me if I was okay with Pablo Torre being Hired by Metal Art Media Stugats.

Are you happy Pablo works here?

Excellent question.

Holy.

Yes. No.

Holy. What a grenade you threw into the room.

It's a good one though. Hmm. No.

Well, kind of. Yeah. He's truthful on that.

Wow, Totally truthful. I didn't realize it until I was asked. I mean, I didn't really thought about it. Now that I'm thinking about it. No, I mean, this is. You got chairs around here. I don't know when to come in. What not to come in. And I am okay with Pablo being. Well, I'm not, but he's not. Yeah, you know what? Forget it. Forget what? I'm about to lie when we're talking about the lie detector.

He did not like that Joe Hart Harper cornered him. Not liking that Pablo Torre was put.

Me in a bad spot. I mean, dad, what's the best lies.

To ever told you?

Oh, so many.

I mean, the best lie. Good God, it's a library. It's a labyrinth. Where. Help me out here.

Is there a best lie? I mean, they're probably the one he doesn't know about.

The one that Mike Ryan is perpetually saying that the most honest relationship he has is Stugouts. Because he knows. He's always lying to ask me. Which is the best of his lies. Asks me to recall everything he's ever said. The better question is, has there been in that mountain of bullshit ever a truth told?

I didn't fart in the studio. A better question. I did not fart. It was silent but deadly. He didn't realize it. Oh, look at that.

Joe Harper says that it was silent but deadly.

I did not fart.

I mean, lie, lie. Whoa, come on. Stop farting in the studio.

Big lie.

You seemed more surprised when he told the truth.

Is that.

Is that I'm.

I'm usually expecting that most of what he says. You have to understand this about Stugotts. It is an absolute truth. One of the few about Stugott that he's not feeling truly alive unless he's pulling off some sort of scam.

He knows me.

Some sort of.

It's.

He's less alive.

It's.

It's a duller state of existence to not be trying to get over on somebody.

If I could explain myself for a second. I lie because I don't like to be left out of things. Okay, so people are talking about a movie. I want to be involved in that conversation. And I could fake my way through any single movie. So I just tell people I've seen the Movie. Because who wants to be left out of conversation?

That's the reason he lies. Not for great gain. Not general greed. Not to have more things come his way.

I just want to be involved in conversations with you, Stu.

Was it really stressful being hooked up.

To that lie detector? No.

He seemed pretty confident. I gotta be honest. This made me learn something about just general dishonest criminal behavior. He's totally comfortable sitting in the weight of that.

So comfortable. I'm fighting with Joe Harper and the lie detector because, yeah, they're lying.

Still thinks they're wrong.

Would you ask me that again with my hand on the table, Joe? Because my hand, My full hand is on the table. And you told me it was important before we started to have all fingers on the table. And now they are.

Dan, do you ever lie?

And would you pass the lie detector note?

I mean, I'm not going to say that I'm an absolute truth teller, but I think in our general environment, I'm less likely to lie than the average person. Is that fair? Less likely?

I mean, I don't think you've ever told me.

I mean, I try not to.

I feel like you're lying.

One of our many weirdnesses that we have in this lovable relationship that has a lot of conflict in it is that we are very different in a couple of different places. And this is one of them telling the truth. Yes, I try to tell the truth.

Yes.

And he does not.

Well, I try.

No, he doesn't. That's the thing. He has resigned himself to the failure. He ceased trying.

Stu, who's the second best liar in the container after you?

Oh, that's a great question. Mike Ryan.

Really?

I didn't have to think long enough.

Really?

And that's not such a great question.

I just think.

Listen, everyone lies, okay? Even Dan, even that lie detector, even Joe Harper. Everyone tells, you know, a little fib every now and again. I would say Chris Cody falls more into my category where they're kind of benign lies. They're just lies. Because he wants to be involved in the conversation. Mike has more serious issues to deal with. He's corporate now. Wow. And I feel like corporate doesn't always tell the truth, you know?

Wow. So you've got Mike lying about more meaningful things than the things you lie about. You just lie to fit in about movies. Mike's telling giant corporate lies.

Yeah, well, he's. He's giant corporate executive. Wow. And what do executives do? Lies.

Shocking accusation.

I was one. I lied. I miss espn. I miss it so Much. I don't think I miss it at all, to be honest. I don't know.

They caught him off Mike. It's like that Robert Durst character in the Jinx who gives away spoiler alert the entire movie at the end by. By forgetting he's got his audio still on.

I was really torn on who to choose there. It's not. It's not Roy. Roy doesn't lie. It's, you know, Billy doesn't lie to me. I had to go, Mike. I didn't know where else to go. I had to choose somebody, and so I went with Mike.

I would have gotten Jeremy.

I'm certain. Well, it's the 20th anniversary. I was trying to do core crew here. I had to make a choice. My choice was Mike. I'm certain he's not happy about it. So I'm sorry, Mike.

It's Chris, and you're not sorry. It's Chris. And it's like, not painful lies. It's like, hey, Chris, did you get that thing that I sent you? Yeah. And he doesn't know what I'm talking about, but he'll just nod his head, yes, yes. Hey, did you edit that thing? Definitely. And then you have to, like, follow up a couple of times a little.

White lies taught him well.

Lies to fit in wise. Just trying to fit with the crew.

It's lies not just to fit in, but to get the questions to go away. I mean, that's.

Yeah, he tries to hold you at bay, but he's. He's got to tell. His face kind of changes, and he just, like, does kind of, like, his brows get like, yeah, I did that. And he knows for a fact he didn't do that.

You walk away saying, there's no way he did it.

I know.

I want.

I would rather him tell me, like, if he said, no, I didn't do that, I'd be like, oh, there's a chance.

Stu got more muscular.

I have lost ten pounds.

Have you?

Yeah, Using my peloton. I've had the peloton in my house. So my daughter, she wanted me to get a peloton. I did. She used it a couple of times.

Endorsement.

But once she left the college and the peloton was just sitting there in my office and it wasn't being used. I said, you know what? I got to use this. And I have lost 10 to 12 pounds, Billy.

So I started using peloton as a bike. Obviously, that's, like, what they're known for. But recently I discovered all of the other classes that they have. They have like a series of weightlifting classes. They have programs which for me the programs is great because I don't have to think about what I'm doing. If not, I just go and I pick a class at random. And I don't know that I'm actually accomplishing anything.

I would like some recommendations on classes because I keep going to the same class.

Okay.

It's the Grateful Dead class.

By the way, do like a four week, four program with Emma Lovewell.

Right.

I would recommend that one.

Okay.

Anyone can do that. Any level. Starts out, you know, easy and then you work your way up. And then there's like a Core Program 2 that you can do after Core Program 1 if you want to do that.

Yeah.

If you graduate.

Wait a second. You have to graduate course one to get to course two, the harder course.

Well, you can start a course too if you want, but I ease my way in. I did course one first. And you can do some strength classes with Andy. Love a strength class with Andy. Really puts me through it. I get up and I'm like a sweaty mess and I'm kind of disgusting and I love it. You know, thing about peloton Stugotts.

What?

Peloton coaches, they walk the walk.

Really?

Yeah.

Do they talk the Talk?

They have sub 3 hour marathon runner coaches. They have military trained athlete coaches, former college basketball player coaches, and so many other well rounded coaches on their team. All this experience really shows in their classes. You're never short of challenging. You can do some resistance band classes. I got some resistance bands lately.

You're my teacher.

Am I? Yeah, you know, no, I'm not. Well, I just go with the program. So then I don't think. Because I don't know, I don't actually know what I'm doing anyways. What's the like Mr. Olympia, right? Is that what it's called?

Yes.

The one where you go and you're like lifting giant boulders.

Yeah.

We should talk to Magnus again.

That's Mr. Olympia.

Yeah.

Yes. What did I say Olympus?

Did I?

I don't know.

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Okay, Tony, you can catch a thousand impersonations.

That's not bad, man.

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Pretty good Stugots.

Yours is terrible.

You just gotta get a little redder, a little pinker.

You're right there, man.

Yours is not that you're biting. What do you mean?

Oh, his is good.

That's actually not bad.

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Bush in that one.

This is the Dan Levatar show with these two gods.

I would like to talk some NFL transactions with you guys because I've told you that the Chiefs statistically, if you didn't know any better, would have a quarterback problem as the undefeated team in the league. They've got a quarterback who statistically is in the mid-20s and is losing the football like on just throwing the ball downfield. Their offense is terrible. So they trade for DeAndre Hopkins because they don't want to pay part of Cooper cup salary or the cost of going with higher draft picks. I don't know. I mean DeAndre Hopkins, it seemed to me a couple of years ago was having a hard time finding anyone who wanted to still take him in the league.

He had a good year last year. He had over a thousand yards, he had 75 catches, he had seven or eight touchdowns. And that was on the Titans.

Surprised to hear those numbers?

I was not because they were a very bad offense that needed to target somebody and somehow after nobody wanting him in the off season, he was the most targeted guy and he was getting open enough because he never drops the ball. But I don't think that that solves much of anything in Kansas City. And more interesting to me was the idea of Cooper cup being available. As Diana Rossini reported pretty casually that the Chiefs had an interest there as well. Yesterday she broke that news. And I don't know what state of health Cooper cup is, but there is one Cooper cup season that I look at that looks like about as good season as a wide receiver has ever had.

Like the Brady Anderson season.

And so what is Cooper cup worth in a market where devonte Adams goes for a second round pick?

You guys think he had like a season like that? That was an outlier. I think you can make a pretty solid argument. He's a Hall of Famer.

Oh well, he had three seasons where they were amazing seasons that helped make McBay who he is. But there's, there's one season above all else where they're throwing no look passes to him and he's a champion in the super bowl and they've got no other healthy receivers and everyone knows the ball's coming to him and you can't double cover him. You can't do anything.

You're talking about the season he had 145 catches. He's never had more than 100 in any other season. That's the season you're talking about. He had 1900 yards. He had 16 touchdowns. He was great. He was great. He is great.

The super bowl that they won was unbelievable on that final drive because everybody on the planet knew where those passes were going. It didn't matter. He would make the plays. He's. He's pretty unstoppable when healthy. From precise route running to ball winning to just a complete game, being able to block in that system, he is just an unbelievable player. It's kind of heartbreaking to see how many injuries that he's run into. He's been pretty vocal in blaming artificial turf about his injuries. So at the very least, if he does get moved, I hope he goes to a natural grass stadium.

I don't know how you guys feel about football generally. Half a season in a whole lot of injuries. And when I saw Higbee, I told you guys this last season, being folded over as their tight end worker, working in tight spaces and seams and taking these monster hits. What that offense has done to the bodies of Pukinakua and Cooper cup from afar, I'm like, oh, my God, that usage rate is going to burn up. Whatever their prime is faster than the average human beings because their bodies are all going to start falling apart.

Sean McVay Receivers have to play a physical style of football, and I don't know how much their downfield blocking has to do with some of their injuries, how active they are in some of the outside runs. Maybe that has something to do with it. A lot of people hold Puka Nakua's production against Cooper cup, but we have to remember Cooper cup has gone out of that lineup several times, one time completely undoing their season. You have to remember he also had plenty of great moments. We mentioned the Super Bowl. How about the nfc? The NFC playoff game against Tom Brady where Tom Brady does not have a good team that should be hanging with them and he starts making all the plays and then we all know where the ball is going. Matthew Stafford downfield. Cooper cup ends that story for Tom Brady. I have all the respect in the world for Cooper cup, and I really am bummed that he's run into so many injuries. And I hope he has an opportunity to show that he is not a product of that system, that he can go to another team, preferably a team with a really good system.

Because, man, Kansas City would have been awesome. If you're a Cooper cup fan, are.

You guys surprised that the Rams were Unwilling to pay that salary. The Rams are in a tricky spot because they still have a chance. They do. That division is lousy and they still have a chance.

Oh, but it's not a real.

Yeah, but they get. They get and you know, now they're talking about trading Stafford.

I mean, they're in a weird spot, especially with their head coach. But Diana said that the Rams were willing to take on some of cup salary. The Chiefs were difficult to deal with in that they don't really have a lot of flexibility on the roster because of their all world quarterback and the contracts that they dished out there. I would have loved him to go to Kansas City. It's a shame they couldn't make it work. I'm skeptical, but I kind of feel like they have the quarterback that can make anybody good.

I'm being made crazy though, by Stugatz's ability. Not incorrect to say every. Everybody but the Panthers have a chance. That everybody but the Panthers and the Patriots have a chance because it's just bodies stacked up all over each other at everywhere between 2 and 5 and 4 and 3.

But the Niners in that division are not as dominant as everyone thought they were going to be. So they're sitting at 3 and 4 and the Seahawks are 4 and 3.

Gods stugots. Just for a second. Okay, the Rams have a chance of winning the super bowl this year. Yeah. Just yes or no question?

No.

Okay.

But Sean McVeigh doesn't think that way.

There is more than just winning the super bowl if you make it to a conference championship game. Like that's a good season for everyone.

I'm simply saying that whatever it is that you view as the playoff standard is also something that I will very easily use against Mike McDaniel and the Dolphins when they get to the playoffs and then immediately lose by 20 points. And the season wasn't much better than not even getting to the playoffs.

I took a Rams preseason NFC ticket because I thought if they hung around, Aaron Donald might realize, all right, I'll come back for one final run here somehow. But if you would recall, Sunday Night Football Week one, Rams at Lions. Lions. I think everybody would concede one of the favorites inside that conference. Rams went toe to toe with them. That was when they were at their healthiest. They had puke and cup for that game. Safford made one bad mistake in that game. Lions ended up winning. But. But it kind of played out like. I don't. I think the Rams, because of their coaching, because of the talent they still have on Their roster can hang, and they've just been totally undone by injuries.

They beat San Francisco when San Francisco was healthy.

I mean, don't you guys do, though, just when. When Mike Ryan says, totally undone by injuries. Like, isn't that everybody every season? Did you. Are you guys not noticing already that the Chiefs, that Patrick Mahomes moves a lot slower than he did three years ago? Not that he's ever seemed terribly fast, but are noticing that whatever happened to his toe there, Patrick Mahomes can't move. He's not that old. He cannot move already the way that he used to move.

It's not him. The game has slowed down for him. He's mastered it. I mean, it's. You see that run last week? It was incredible.

I mean, he's bailing them out with Matrix. He bailed him out with that athleticism. I'm most curious to see how any quarterback ages in the NFL because of the impossible standard that Brady had. Mahomes is always going to be compared to Brady, but is Mahomes going to do the things to his body that Brady put it through? Brady wasn't this physical specimen, but pliability and nutrition, he really cared. Mahomes isn't a body guy. Mahomes is like, yeah, let me chug this beer and throw it downfield 80 yards and try to stop me if I roll out of the pocket. How is that going to look like when you get to your mid-30s?

Billy? I was surprised earlier in the show that when Mike Ryan went hard on the idea that get Tampa some weapons so that Baker Mayfield's season can be salvaged in Tampa with his receivers all hurt, everybody is injured. I thought for sure you were going to take that window to ransack Baker Mayfield.

Why? I mean, he's been good this year. He just, he's lost all his weapons. Like, he didn't. I mean, Monday, he didn't look good. Like, don't let the stats fool you. He looked pretty bad for the first half. He was making bad passes, he was overthrowing. He was throwing interceptions. Like, he didn't look like the MVP candidate that we thought he looked like earlier in the season. At the end, the numbers were there because it was, you know, garbage time. Yards, they got an onside kick and he was just chucking it away. But, like, he was making bad decisions early on. But, like, he, I, I think they're in trouble. Like, depending on how serious the injuries are, the Bucs are in trouble.

I would have argued that that was one of the good teams in the league two games ago. But you take away two receivers, they.

Lost two of their top receivers.

No, I know. You take away their two receivers and all of a sudden all of that is going to get constipated in a league where every Sunday I tune in and there's somebody out there being C.J. stroud 10 for 2184 yards.

Baker's got some far to him. He made a terrible interception in the end. Z you just can't make. But what I will say is he made that interception after Mike Evans simply dropped a touchdown pass. And which also was especially devastating to not just their chances of winning that game, but to their season because Evans re aggravates a hamstring injury and goes out. But one of the There was a 14 point swing on one pass that hit Mike Evans on the hand.

They were up 10, 7. They could have been up 17.

The good thing and bad thing about Baker, and this is going to sound worse than I intended to, is like he doesn't learn, like he has a short memory and like he'll make mistakes and that's not going to scare him away from trying to make the same plays again, which is what's good about him.

No, he'll make gunslinger.

By the way, the Godwin injury is worse than the Mike 1000. Not just ankle. No, not in terms of severity, but in terms of value to the Bucks. Like that's their number one.

No, he does so many things for them. Godwin's a brilliant player. That stinks. The only way to replace him is Cooper cup, which is why he needs to go to damn sideways ankle. Hey everyone, it's Mike Ryan. We here at the Dan LeBatard show with Stugotts are excited to partner with Miller Lite to let you, our loyal audience, play along with one of our most popular segments. We have Weekend Observations presented by Miller Lite on October 21st. You will be able to go to DraftKings.com in order to make guesses on what will happen during the weekend observation segment on Tuesday, October 29th. How many beeps will there be? Will Stugott swear? Who will be the first person to interrupt? Stu oh, the winner. Yeah. The winner gets a trip for you and a guest to come to Miami and hang out with us at Flanagan's for a Thursday Night football game on November 21st. Oh, and you get to see a taping of the show. Make sure you go to DraftKings and play free to win and then tune into the show and check how you did. Look forward to seeing you or not. Since only one of you will win, but the one that does.

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I don't love what's happening right now with me and Sarah Spain that I'm doing sort of a mental association where I'm generally happy to see her. But now when she's here, I know that she brings that bucket with her.

She brings pain.

Well, yeah, I see her and I'm like, oh no, this this damn thing again. So we'll get to it in a second. I will remind the people. Good Game with Sarah Spain is the name of the podcast. It's a one stop shop for the biggest stories in women's sports. What are you burning on right now? I thought you did both some good journalism and some important stuff with Christine Brennan the other day. A real pioneer in our industry, both of you really. But sounded outdated to me in ways that bummed me out because things have just sort of modernized and she's become somebody who's done it her way and done it very well. For a long time and wasn't hearing the ways that she has aged out on some stuff that has changed just societally that you've been covering very well over the last 15 years. And welcome, by the way. Kamish.

Thank you. Thank you. I do recognize the look in your eye. It's like my husband, when he sees me coming, it's like, oh, I should feel different things, but pain is on the horizon. Yeah, I actually was bummed out by Christine too. I've had her on my shows on ESPN for years and she is usually so righteous in her fights against things like the NFL's handling of domestic violence or sexual assault or things like that. And I think, unfortunately, when you have too many decades of being on the righteous side of things, you might start to hear all criticism as coming from the same place where I'm just going to push through and do the work and ask the hard questions. And in this case, it wasn't necessarily about the question so much as about the context in which she was asking them and needing to really understand the space of the W to do the work well. And that's why it's so important to have shows and folks that are covering it all the time and are really deeply invested in it because it is a different space and it is dangerous actually for players to come in and parachute in without having done the work to understand how what you're covering and how you're talking about things might affect them.

For the record, Christine Brennan, a very accomplished journalist, is writing a book on Caitlin Clark and the division and the controversy. And the thing that you learned from all of this. What? As she walked into a locker room and the black women didn't like her line of questioning. And with good reason.

Yeah, I mean, I essentially think it's the same thing that's plagued the W for years. But writ large because of the arrival of Caitlin Clark, there's a lot of misogyny, misogynoir, there's a lot of homophobia, There's a lot of sponsorships that have always gone to these like, esthetically palatable white girls as opposed to the masculine leaning players or the women of color or the women who are out lesbians. And. And there's been a sort of safety in the space that's grown over the years of the league really being so pulled together that they pushed back on that and created something very special. And when Caitlin Clark arrived, it was like awesome. More eyeballs, more people, more attendance, all the great things. But people were using Caitlin Clark as an avatar to Further social issues that she wasn't even speaking on. They were assigning her the space of white savior. And then they were aligning all of the black players, particularly physical players, as sort of like taking it out on her, being jealous, creating cat fights. And they created a division that has resulted in actual death threats for players that has resulted in black players in the league feeling unsafe, which is such a bummer because it's like everyone forgot everything they knew about sports in order to talk about the W this year.

There were actual former NBA players saying that the current player should take it easy on Caitlin Clark and let her be successful at the beginning because it would be good for the league. It's like, in what universe has that ever been how sports are played? Or they would hear Diana Taurasi saying like, oh, she's going to have a wake up call when she gets to the pros and say that was her mistreating Caitlin Clark. As if we haven't heard every single veteran ever say, you know, a rookie's going to going to get what's coming to him. It was so strange. It was genuinely. If it weren't so infuriating, it would be funny how people just forgot that this was sports.

It's a weirdly infantilizing thing that I don't totally understand, but I've always found you to be super astute on the heavier societal stuff. So I will ask you, just as we head into these next three weeks here that are going to be pretty awful, you have anything for me on helping me understand what is happening in this country with men against women, or just the division that makes it so that there's some real woman hating going on and still makes this election somehow plausibly closed.

The best thing I read during the last first Trump run for president was about the idea that when there's major progressive and social issues that move forward, there is an inevitable backlash. Two steps forward, one step. Backlash is what they described it as. And it's happened over the time, over the course of history, in major ways in a result to civil rights activism and result to women gaining the vote, all these different things. And I think when you are in power and have always been in power, as men have in a patriarchy, you fear women getting any sort of agency or voice as something that will require you to change your behaviors and, or give up some of your power. And so the response to women going to college more, making more money, handling more of the household income, all of these different things, and wanting more for themselves sometimes by not Choosing to marry men or signing up for partnerships that aren't equal has made a lot of men afraid of what the future future might look like for them, especially in terms of the way their behaviors might have to change. There's this constant storyline about the male epidemic of loneliness, but all of the numbers and research actually point to a pretty equal idea of loneliness between men and women, sometimes women even more.

But men complain about it more because they are not used to not being taken care of and they are not used to having to address the way that they behave with women as something that we will react to and care about. Right. It's always when we couldn't get our own credit cards or pay our own bills or get our own jobs, we were sort of reliant on men. And as that continues to progress in the other direction, there's a shift in power. And I think there's an inevitable response to that, which is we hate women. As opposed to, hey, cool, let's see what this looks like when we're all just human beings operating together.

I love Sarah as a woman and a human being, not as the commissioner of the bucket of Death. Go ahead and play the music.

Different person.

Yes, a totally different person. We begin with Mike Ryan. Mike Ryan is picking from the bucket. Do we have any controversies to present the commission and think only Billy has. I haven't seen a whole lot of people dressing up around here.

That's correct. Commission. I don't know if you heard, but I paid off a punishment this week. No controversies. But an interesting note. No buys this week. 20 out of 21 years, there have been straight weeks with buys. Last year, week eight, there was no buy. This year, the NFL following suit and keeping the no buys week eight. Also no buys week 13 because it's Thanksgiving week.

All right. So Mike Ryan, what do you have there?

Carolina Panthers. That's going back here.

Yes, it is.

Plus nine at the Broncos.

Don't like that.

That's a bad that. And the Patriots, the worst things ever.

Got the swap helmet. So let me pick another helmet to establish what I might be selling.

I have the golden helmet of life. Are you allowed to take that from me?

No, you got it last week.

I have the Bengal.

3 points.

Posting the Steelers favorite.

No, the Bengals are a three point favorite at home against the Eagles.

It's week 13.

Yeah. Why are you on week 13? Man?

I was confirming my week 13 stat of no buys.

I wouldn't be bummed out. I wouldn't be bummed out if I pulled the the Bengals Initially. But let's see how this plays out because I might swap.

Okay. Is it a special time for the Reaper? I wonder, are you extra busy right now heading into Halloween?

The Reaper's awfully small today, physically.

I know. Very small.

Also huge.

Yes. And Billy Mish knows the reaper cannot respond.

Wondering if you noticed that he was booked and busy.

I have the Raiders, who are hosting.

The Chiefs 10 point dog at home.

Yeah, I'm gonna put that one back.

Yeah, boy, we are pulling some garbage.

Points on that one.

Who's now a brunette, says he still follows the Raiders. I got the Eagles.

Oh, wow.

Eagles at the Bengals. Allegedly. If I've got the right schedule.

You have it, right?

Yeah, we can.

One of those two going down.

Three point underdog at the Bengals. The Bengals lost to the Patriots this year at home. I want you to think about that for a second. Roy, what do you got?

Fine Bucket. No.

Ooh.

No.

Isn't that instant death? I think that's instant death.

It is instant death.

No, he chooses.

I think it's instant death if he.

Doesn'T put it back.

If he. Yeah, you can put it back.

I don't put it in the back. Yeah, that's not happening.

That's smart.

How much money's in there?

I don't know.

Oh, God.

There's a few dollars right here.

What'd you get? What'd you get?

The Rams.

I got the Rams. Okay. They're still alive.

Yeah, they are alive.

That's right. They're at home against the Vikings. They're two and a half points.

Wow.

Could be Sam Darnold, that quarterback.

So basically it was instant death.

Billy's gonna look in the. See how much Roy just passed up on it.

Could be Stafford playing quarterback for the Vikings. Darnold playing for the Rams.

We don't know if that report is true or not. That was just.

I don't think the Big Apple.

We talked about it.

Pretending you can get the Yankees. Chris.

No, I'll go. Actually, right here.

I'll go.

Jets against the Patriots, minus seven.

Couldn't you go Bills there? If it's in New York?

Yep.

Yeah, because everyone calls Buffalo the Big Apple.

Yeah.

Jets are minus seven. I'll take the Jets.

You could take Army.

Who's at Seattle? I've got Titans at Bills. Do I have the wrong. I've got Titans. I've got a list here that has the Titans playing the Lions and the Bills.

It's going to be tough for them.

The rare tefer.

They have a double header back to Back.

Wow.

Tough Sunday.

Tough for the NFL.

How is this such a bad point spreadsheet? How is this possible?

Rummaging.

Good old fashioned typo, Dano.

Let's see what we got here. Who's playing? Are the Titans playing the Lions -11 or are they playing the Bills -9 and a half?

The Bills are at Seattle.

So why is it a typo? Can't you just print out a sheet?

I'm now too confused to know who I can potentially sw.

The Titans are playing the Lions at Detroit.

They're playing the commanders. Week 13.

Someone play the John Kelly clip.

Oh my God. This is truly a mess. What? What has happened?

Play the fascism clip. Play the fascism clip.

Oh, look at that.

Golden helmet of life. Why is it in there? I thought it was.

I'm putting it back.

I thought it was his putting it back.

That strategy.

The golden helmet.

The golden helmet of life.

So guys, you can trust me.

Put it back.

I'm not a liar.

The fine bucket had $30 plus a ten dollar IOU from Jeremy.

Isn't that money going to Jessica?

No, not anymore.

I wasn't here last week.

So what do we got here? Oh, God. I got the Carolina Panthers. Oh, no.

Golden helmet of life for the Panthers.

I can put it back though, right?

No, you're not.

That's the golden helmet rule. You can put it back twice, you get an extra put back.

You're plus nine.

Not true. You just screwed yourself. You could have had the Bengals, but you were so intent to screw over Mike Ryan that you put back the golden helmet of life and you got what you deserve.

Who does Carolina play?

Does not matter.

They're at the Broncos.

They're also playing the Titans.

How about week 13?

I like having Sarah here to make instant rulings. That makes dugout stop slippery. He stops all slithering when Sarah's here.

We're going to keep the Bengals.

Good game is the name of the podcast again. Like I said, she's covering. It's a one stop shop. Biggest stories in women's sports night. Seeing you, sort of. Sarah, thank you for being on with us.

Always nice seeing you guys.

This is just ridiculous. What do you mean?

Just a mess. Just a mess. A total mess. The whole show. I asked for the fascism clip and they put Mad Dog on the screen. I asked for the fascism clip and they put that guy who was fighting for Ohtani's ball at the bottom of the stadium.

I don't want to say drought.

That's not fair, but.

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