Transcript of David Samson Reacts To The Death Of LIV Golf | Hour 1 (feat. David Samson) New

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David Sampson, nothing personal. We'll talk some baseball with him here. And a reminder that Jeremy Tasche is doing many, many baseball things all over the place, including interviewing Liam Hicks on his own television program that can be found where?

Marlins.tv, Dan. Anyone in the state of Florida.

Yeah, it's on television program.

Yeah, it's called Talking with Tashay.

Yeah, it is. What do you mean?

Why are you laughing?

Wordplay.

Did you pick the name, or—

It's a good name.

He's got a lot of jobs. And, uh, David Sampson. I've got some baseball questions for David Sampson, but first, as our resident germaphobe, uh, polite or impolite to put lotion on your body in front of people?

At the beach?

No, like here at the office.

Unacceptable. Go to the bathroom.

Polite or impolite to use a Q-tip in public?

In your ear?

Yeah.

Hey, yo.

Hey, fist me. No, in your— No.

Up your—

Yeah, up your—

If you're using a Q-tip to clean a surface or using a Q-tip in a way that— then that's fine. If you're using it to clean an orifice, do it on your own time.

An ear. An ear.

Nope.

Polite or impolite to floss in public?

The string floss? Out of the question. Okay, well, these things you can use that are, um, they're like Scope little things with tiny strings. The sticks.

That's what Tony was doing.

Yes, Tony, that's fine, but you got to do the hand cover. I learned this from Ichiro. You do the hand cover where you, you, it's what you do in Japan. You take the toothpick or the floss stick, you cover your, cover your mouth, and you do your teeth just like that. That's totally fine. And that's expected at restaurants, actually. That's why there's toothpicks at restaurants.

Thank you, Dave. So Dan came in during the shadow show, was like, Tony did something disgusting. He was picking his teeth with floss. And I was like, first off, did not use floss. Floss indicates that I've got it around my hip and fingers like a long fishing wire and taking stuff out of my teeth, which I wasn't. I had a tiny little fish— uh, not fish, damn. I had a tiny little floss stick.

You said fish, you didn't mean toothpick.

Floss stick, okay? And I took out one little piece and I turned around, Dave. I was facing Pat— right, Pat Riley over here. This is exactly what I did.

Bad, right?

Tone.

Tone.

That's true, Dan. That's legitimate and expected. Because if you're going to be on TV, you don't want a head of lettuce in your teeth. Thank you, Dave.

All right. Tony has wildly misrepresented everything, and it's not the worst thing about what just happened. Okay. I don't know what happened to Tony, but the only reason I noticed is not because he turned his back to me and not because he had his hand covering it. It's because he was flicking shit out of his teeth in front of everybody. And so the thing that I want to do with you, which of these 3 things is the least polite of the 3? It took me a while to get here, but which would mortify you the most? Uh, any of the 3 examples I gave you?

It is just unbelievably disgusting to have string floss around your fingers and floss yourself.

No, that's not the one he was doing. He was doing it with a stick, but he wasn't doing it discreetly.

He was, he was basically—

the hand was not up here.

Nobody else noticed.

But you. Okay, he might as well have been flossing with a towel between his legs. It was such an act of intimacy that I shouldn't have been seeing.

Is it old man crocodile arms with skin flakes coming off during the lotioning process?

Eh, it's just lotion on the skin. It's not disgusting flakes on the floor.

Because that would win. Just regular lotion would not rise to the level of extracting a piece of food from your teeth in front of people.

Have you ever—

lotioning your arms when flakes are coming off? That would be like scratching your dandruff in a meeting.

Have you ever done an ear candle?

That's a private question.

What? That's the question?

No, no, not that I haven't paid for.

That's okay.

You're not willing. You're not willing to answer that question.

I have not.

All right.

Just tell me what we need to do here, because I've gotten us in a bit of a quagmire. I want to talk sports and sports business in a second. However, I've got corporate breathing on my neck. They're worried about setting fires near ears of employees. I didn't do everything that we've done as a company to be fearing fire around the ears, but I've got a lot of people worried about liabilities out there. And now Zazz is doing the worst of the things, because when you're worried about liabilities, what you don't want to do is check the internet for your maximum fears.

No, you gotta.

It's like, it's like checking your sickness at WebMD.

You don't want to read any of what's there. Uh, because this is not as scary as people think it is just because it's fire near the ear.

No, it's the smart thing to do. And it says here, ear candling is an ineffective and dangerous practice where a hollow-lit candle is inserted into the ear to remove wax, often causing burns to the face, hair, or if it falls on you, yeah, ear canal, and can lead to ruptured eardrums or ear canal blockages. It continues with proponents claim the heat creates a chimney effect or vacuum that pulls out wax, toxins, or debris. However, this has been thoroughly debunked as a pseudoscientific myth. You know about that pseudoscientific myth?

By whom? What's your source there?

By pseudoscientists.

But aren't they the ones creating it?

It's worse than a hot pepper, Dan. Just keep that in mind. Fire near the ear inside a studio where I can't imagine that the sprinklers are working or that the alarm actually would be listened to given how often it goes off. I would say that the fire is worse than the hot pepper.

Zaslav, I don't believe pseudoscientists are the ones who debunk pseudoscientists.

I believe it's scientists who would debunk pseudoscientists.

What are those scientists up to, by the way?

Debatable.

They're getting killed. We need to look into that. We haven't talked about that.

We haven't talked about that.

There's 15 scientists dead across 2 years. We haven't talked about it. Just go ahead, Dave.

You want him to talk about it?

No, I would like his thoughts on it because I'm sure he's tapped into the news like a real man.

Tony, you will not believe this, but I had dinner last night with my children, and the conversation that came up was all of these scientists who were dying, and I hadn't heard of it. And it came up last night at dinner and now today with you. So I must tell you, I did zero research post-dinner pre-show. I was watching basketball and preparing for shows, so I know nothing about it other than what I was told at dinner between courses, which is there are mysterious circumstances surrounding the disappearances of certain scientists who may believe that there's stuff going on that could smell of simulation. That's all I got for you, Dave.

When you get up to snuff on what you got going on with the UFOs, you can have me on, on, you know, nothing personal. Me and you can discuss notes and we could talk about it.

Tony, I'm gonna take a break. Just, I'm not gonna throw you in the penalty box. Just cool off outside.

Take a walk.

Just, just, just for 90 seconds.

Just, I've been upset about the science. You haven't, you haven't rang the alarms, okay? As the Paul Revere of this show, you haven't ran any alarms. I'm the one that has to do it.

The only time you haven't been talking is when you've been flossing your teeth.

The Paul Revere of this show.

Rung.

True or not true?

I haven't rung any alarms. Just go sit outside for 90 seconds and just cool off for a second.

One if by land, two if by sea. What about through the air, Dan? How about that? How about the UFOs?

Just gather yourself, and I will put on the poll for you. Uh, are we in an apocalyptic place when no one's talking about the mysterious dying of the science? Because it is fair commentary from you. Uh, we will get more of it later, perhaps more coherently than we've gotten it thus far. Uh, among the questions I want to ask about, uh, local business here before we get off the topic, because it's an important job and an important time at a university that I care about in a region I care about, and so the University of Miami athletic department head job, A, is that a good job now given what your business experience has been in Miami, and B, How disastrous would it be on a scale from don't do it over my dead body to totally apocalyptic to have Yormark, Yormark in that position?

When I read that Michael Yormark was a candidate, I laughed because it can't be that the University of Miami has gone into such a sinkhole that it would consider hiring someone whose main claim to fame is fraudulently doing deals in order to make a team look as though it's performing when it's not. And I have firsthand knowledge of this because when we were— would have the president's club down in Florida for the professional teams, the deals that Yormark was making up in Sunrise were absolutely— he was giving away tickets, signage, sponsorships in a way that when we would approach companies or the Dolphins or the Heat, they would say, pay, pay for tickets or for signage. Are you kidding me? We go to the Panthers and we get it for free. When we go to law firms or go to individuals, pay? I'm not paying for tickets. I get them free. If you want to give everything away in Miami and not be respected by anyone in your conference or your city, then that's who you hire. And that may be your gig. That may be what the boosters want. They want someone they can, you know, say is a name because the Yormark name has sports business cred.

Except for everyone in sports business, ironically, and except for anyone in business business, ironically. But again, I digress. So I would say that that would be a straight loser hire. But listen, if that's what Miami wants to do, then good luck to Miami.

No, no, no. It can't be what they want to do. It must not be what they want to do. Is it a good job or not?

I wouldn't say it is a good job anymore. It used to be 10, 15 years ago. The job of the AD in general was a really recherché job. People wanted that. It was a step up that. But what it's become within the era of NIL and in the time of, of boosters having control in a way that they didn't used to have, the fundraising has completely changed. The budgets have completely changed. How you operate has changed. So for me, being an AD in general is now a downtick babysitter. But being in Miami, I love the University of Miami. I love the campus. I love the people. So it's good in that regard. But AD jobs in general are on the downtrend.

As I mentioned, Jeremy and Adnan Virk will tackle some of what's going on with the Red Sox. But I want to ask you, as our baseball guy, the management of both the Red Sox and the Phillies, Don Mattingly becoming the manager of Philadelphia and everything that just happened in Boston. What were your most interesting takeaways on both of those situations?

No matter how much analytics becomes part of the game, what really matters in business and in companies, whether it's Metal Ark or the Red Sox, it's who wins the power struggles. Because there's always power struggles and there's always winners and losers. And the smartest people at lower levels choose the right horse. And if you chose the Alex Cora horse over Craig Breslow, you chose the wrong horse. Because Craig Breslow has the power there, as granted by John Henry, the owner, and Sam Kennedy, the president and CEO. So I would just caution you and everybody who's listening, when you see a power struggle, just choose wisely because there will be a loser. And that's what happened in Boston.

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Did you think that that could or would happen to Cora? I understand that you don't have generally too much regard for managers, but I thought he was one of them who had actual and real power.

Yeah, I was right. Well, what we've seen develop, certainly when Craig came in, there was a concern. And remember, we had him as a Marlin, and the concern was that he was going for something in Boston that would go against what they had been doing, which means he was going for more power than had existed. Because remember, Cora, Chaim Bloom, Cora wins. There's always power struggles. I didn't think Craig would win one so quickly, but it didn't help that the Red Sox have not performed. But to me, that's been a personnel issue, not a manager issue.

Do you have a personal power struggle story? Do you have— or one that you've enjoyed because it's a baseball power struggle story that doesn't involve you, but you think of it as the most fascinating of the power struggles? Because I just— I really— I may be an idiot about this, but I did think that Cora was kind of in charge.

Well, Larry Beinfest lost a power struggle to Dan Jennings in the Marlins, and that's how Larry lost his job as president of baseball operations. There are power struggles between GMs and managers. Joe Girardi lost the power struggle that he had. He lost to me and to Larry, actually, in that power struggle in terms of how he got and lost his job. Yeah, there are power struggles at every level. So I don't know what you mean when you thought Korra had it, because you can have it one day and then not have it the next day. There's only one person— and here's a spoiler alert for power struggles that involve an owner— always go with the owner because the owner doesn't lose power struggles. And the case of Metal Ark as an example, it'd be wise to go with you, Dan, in a power struggle. So a little word to employees that in a power struggle situation, always choose the person in charge.

Yeah, you say that, except I always feel like I lose power struggles around here. I can't even get Tony to clean his teeth right and then speak correctly.

So that's not a power struggle. That's just a respect issue. And that's, you know, show and I and you and you. That's your, that's your shtick. Like, oh, I lose every power struggle and oh, I'm not a business guy and oh, I don't even know what's going on in my own company. But none of us really buy that.

That's his impression of you.

I mean, it's a terrible impression, and you may not buy it, but you know that— you actually know that it's true, and you're putting on a public face here. You see anybody getting fire around their ears? Yeah, do you get it? Do you see anyone getting fired is what I would say.

If I—

a couple people.

Yes, I know.

No, I have not seen anyone around here fired.

Are your glasses fogged?

Wait to see.

Vancouver police here have denied FIFA a motorcade. This is my entry point on the World Cup here because this Gianni Infantino is carrying the tradition well of Sepp Blatter, who once ran FIFA.

Let me tell you, I like you. You brought me again into the FIFA. I stay with you. You have voted for me. Although they have voted for the Prince Ali, I congratulate you. It's a good candidate. But I am now the president of everybody. So I am the president of everybody. There is no retentions. That's just president of the whole FIFA.

Voilà.

So Gianni Infantino wanted a motorcade and Vancouver said no motorcade. Is FIFA the most corrupt organization in all of sport?

It is, but it has nothing to do with the motorcade. It's such a funny fugazi that people are doing right now. They're saying, look at what a crook he is. He wanted a motorcade. The number of times that we requested motorcades in Miami, you get granted those motorcades if you pay the right amount of money, you pay the expenses of it. There are certain rules in place of priorities of if there are multiple people looking for motorcades at multiple times. So what him requesting is not a big deal. Them turning it down because they claim the rule is that it's about heads of state only and it didn't rise to the level of what we would consider to be motorcade worthy. Well, if the price is right, you can get a motorcade. But Infantino, to me, the reason for his corruption, just look at what's going on with the World Cup. Look at who's hosting the World Cup over the next couple of World Cups and the previous one. And you know, that the only way they do business is by making sure that they personally profit, which, by the way, in our country is happening at the highest levels in the White House.

So it becomes something that is normalized. So I was not taken aback by this story the way other people were. But that's happened to me with several stories recently, which means it must be user error where I'm viewing things not as big a deal as other people.

Well, but I was taken aback when I saw that the, the US Open isn't selling tickets. And when you talk about the price of things, Like, I did take notice of that because that was not one that I saw coming. The price of tickets being so high that you would have trouble selling for the opener.

David, when last reported, only 40,000 tickets have been sold to the U.S. World Cup opening match. The reason for this is the ticket prices are insanely high and FIFA has crunched the numbers and this alleged nonprofit organization has decided They would rather have a half-full stadium at the current price point than have a full one at a lower price point because they make more money this way. And that is the driving factor here and not growing the game or making it accessible to O's Nation.

If you could have one person in your ballpark who pays $100 for a ticket, would you rather have that or 100 people paying $1?

Isn't it obvious you'd rather have 100 paying $1 because they'll buy concessions and It's the opposite.

Why?

I want one person paying $100 because I can lower my operating expenses of running the facility. It guarantees me way more profit. So that, that's the math that people use. That's why when you look at attendance, you always have to look at average ticket price. Too many people look at the attendance numbers, forget whether we make them up or not. Always look at total revenue, right? And then divide it by people turnstile. And that gives you your average ticket.

Let me, let me follow you down this. But this is one of the reasons why FIFA is corrupt. You were a private entity. Enterprise, that was your logic, you were in charge of staffing. When FIFA is putting these, these World Cups up for bidding, part of the draw is the boost it brings to the local economy. You guys staff the building, I don't have to pay for it, I'm FIFA, I'm putting on the tournament. Like, the draw here is the boost to your local economy, hotels, transportation, tourism industry, all that stuff goes up. If you don't give a rat's ass about how many people are in that building, you are falling short of what you sold to the host committee.

I'm sorry, the draw for who, Mike? Are you talking about FIFA choosing North America to host the World Cup?

Yes, yes, the draw for the United States to bid on the World Cup is not like, oh, they'll charge $100 as opposed to $1. Like, they are staffing this, they are hoping that a bunch of people come to these host cities and spend lots of money. That's how they rationalize the cost. Of putting one of these on in the United States. And for FIFA to not give a rat's ass about delivering more tourism— and I know that there's stuff going on in the United States that's also explaining why that is— but to not help with getting more people in the building, that is affecting people's bottom line that help pay to put on this event.

But Mike, in the RFP, all of that is addressed. When North America bids to host, they have in there what the ticket prices will be at every level of every ballpark. There's literally a chart out of, of every single stadium and what sections will be at what price. And FIFA agrees to that. And there's also an agreement of when that can change. What is the mechanism to lower the price or sometimes to raise the price if you hit certain goals of sales at certain times? So it's not that FIFA has had a change of heart or North America has. It's all predetermined when the bids happen.

I'd like your analysis, please. And I recommend to all of you, nothing personal. If, for example, you are thinking to yourself, well, this LIV story seems complicated. Where can I get something that no one else is doing on the business expertise of what just happened with LIV? Please explain to me what was accomplished in other— what was accomplished bigger than being the initial whitewashing for it's okay to take dirty money this way. You might as well have golf tournaments where where you have somebody wandering around the premises with a chainsaw because, you know, we're now taking money from— or a bone saw, excuse me. We're taking money from the bone sawing of journalists. We whitewash that money. What did Live create that was bigger and better and more successful than that?

We led Nothing Personal with this this morning. It is a big story. The Saudis have walked away from Live. The chair has resigned. The chairman of the board who runs the sovereign fund has walked away. And you've got a CEO, not Greg Norman, a guy named Scott O'Neill, who is telling you as his home is burning, hey, everything's fine here. Do you want to keep playing, you know, Scategories? And so what's happening is that a business that has never been a business— LIV, let me be clear, that's not a business. It's not a competing tour for PGA. It was something that was propped up by billions of dollars in order to fake it. They were faking being competitive to PGA by paying the amount of money they paid to get players to defect. But the minute that money dries up and you hear the new— they have a new board chair this morning that was just announced, by the way, Dan. And what he said is, hey, we're good. We're going to find media deals. We're going to find partners. We're going to get financing. No chance. LIV is finished. There will not be LIV.

LIV, what happens to the players, how they get reintegrated into PGA. We talked about this morning, it's going to be a process and it's not going to be— it's not going to work out for all of them, I'll tell you that. But in terms of what we'll remember about LIV, we won't. It's nothing. It's a tiny zit on a huge antelope as you're going 80 miles an hour.

But what was accomplished? How much was nothing? How much was spent and what was accomplished?

Billions of dollars have been spent over the 5, 4, 3, 4, 5, 6 years. Zero was accomplished. Because if you think that the reason why they're stopping funding LIV is, hey, you know, we've, we've done it, we've finished our sportswashing, we finished our money laundering. Everyone looks at Saudi Arabia and sees nothing but butterflies and unicorns. Our work is done here. That's not what happened. What happened is we realized that in fact the Saudis, sometimes it is about business and they've got capital needs elsewhere right now. Take a look at what's going on in Iran. Take a look at what's going on in Saudi Arabia. Take a look at the things that they cannot do. And you realize that cuts have to be made. What do you cut when cuts have to be made? Most companies cut the least profitable things. Live was like number one of idiotic investments. And they decided it was time to move on, and they did rather quickly.

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Chris, how do you absorb that as a golf fan? The, the entire experience of, well, we're gonna tarnish Phil Nicholson forever as the first one who's not allowed to accept this money. Uh, Tiger Woods is going to turn it down, uh, famously, even though it could have been just a billion dollars clean on some absurd—

crazy—

on some— and just turned it down. Uh, what do you make of the exercise, uh, failing so spectacularly that I think we can say, like, is, is, uh, I guess maybe the UFL would be something of a precedent here on spending billions of dollars to try to compete with something and then just collapse?

It's just wild that it was such a failure, yet the guys got so paid. Like, the golfers made so much money off of this. Like, there are so many golfers that are going to— their lives are different because of this. And it was just a useless, meaningless— no one give a shit about it. Like, they wore shorts.

That's it.

Golfers got paid and they wore shorts and it was loud.

Yeah.

Best I can tell. That's the only thing.

That's what I'm going to remember about LIV Golf.

They got to wear shorts.

Yeah.

How does that end up being the result on billions of dollars and a competing sports franchise? I mean, is it funny? Like, Yes.

As a return on investment, the answer is they got to wear shorts.

You never got to see their legs before.

It was loud.

Chapter 11.

Yes.

That's not my memory of LIV, but that's a funny thing that that's what's in your head.

That's what's accomplished for billions of dollars. It was loud and they wore shorts. Like, that's, that's a bad—

Jon Rahm seems like he hates it.

All right.

So, so I'm starting with billions and billions of dollars. And the end result is at the end, I get to see golfers wearing shorts and it was loud at golf tournaments. That's what we did.

And that cool, like, Austin Powers plane. Like the 17th hole at the celebrity tournament, but all the holes and with no celebrities.

I think LIV will be remembered for something different than shorts, Chris. I think LIV will be remembered as a cautionary tale for when there is such a huge amount of money put into something. And when you've got people in this country and around the world who are worth $250 billion, or the question of Steve Cohen and the Mets, it's sort of the same thing. Do I just keep pouring money into a losing situation and hoping for a result? And the answer is yes, until— and the until can be 2 years, 5 years, 8 years. Sometimes it can be a month. With CNN+, it was a night. So there's always a time where you decide, okay, that's enough. And that's to me what I'll remember is that Live, it was enough during the conflict in Iran. That's how I'll remember it.

That is a great phrase. With CNN+, it was a night because that was one magical night where it looked like there would be spending and then the spending was gone. But I just want to re-ask the question. You're saying that the way LIV will be remembered, the greatest thing LIV will be remembered for, is successfully sportswashing blood money by wasting it?

No, no, I think that actually will pass as well. I think when you look back on LIV 20 years from now, I think you'll correlate it to the time that it stopped being funded and the impact. We have to see now whether these sovereign funds will continue to be big-time investors as limited partners in sports or in, in universities or with teams or what they're going to do now. But if this is the beginning of them not just being a blind source of huge money for people, I think they'll go back to live and say this was the beginning of the end for that.

Are you someone who has strong opinions one way or the other on ABS?

Yeah, I want to get rid of the challenge system. I do have strong opinions and I think I'm going to be right on this. I think the challenge system is not going to be around for very long. I think ABS will just exist for every pitch and there won't need to be challenges and we'll get the 63 seconds back that we lose every single game because of ABS. And I think that that's what we'll see. I love the calls and I want them to be right. I don't need for Jazz to get embarrassed as much as he gets embarrassed. I don't need the umpires to be upset or embarrassed. There's no need for it. We've got the technology to get every pitch right. And once the latency becomes a millisecond, it'll be a little dot in the ear of an umpire and they'll call strike or ball and it'll be immediate and there won't be a challenge and every call will be right and we'll move on.

I don't think it's a bad 63 seconds. First off, it's only 63 seconds. I do think that there's a little amount of fun tension there. I like the strategy behind it that you only have a certain number. I think it's going pretty well, Jeremy.

Yeah, I mean, fans are loving it. Like we just talked about it yesterday at the Reds game in a 7-2 game in the 9th inning. People are going ballistic because they get a strike overturned for a strikeout. It's creating these little moments. It's creating strategy amongst teams. And that's something that's been missing from baseball with the implementation of the DH. Now, now there's an extra little piece of strategy that's adding 1 minute to a game, but it's already trimmed a half an hour.

I agree with you that it is fun, but David's totally right. It's unnecessary and it will eventually be just fine.

But humanity, like, there is a humanity in baseball that the human error is such a part of it in every aspect of the game. And now we've eliminated it being a big issue in big moments. This feels like the perfect compromise to me.

Yeah. Count on baseball, Jeremy.

They showed Dan sleeping.

That's our leader right there. You want to know why baseball's not a focus on the show?

I was listening to him. I had my ear to the mic.

You know, Liam Hicks has the most— you're here—

the microphone—

most RBIs by a catcher before the month of May in the history of baseball. Liam Hicks.

That's what's wrong with baseball.

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Jeremy, I'm sorry. That is not not supportive at all, and that's just wrong.

Look at me.

There I am, me and Liam Hicks.

He's got shorts on.

He's my size.

Oh, he doesn't look it.

Those Viore shorts. Uh, David, did you want to engage with the sparring, or did you not want to engage? Because it sounds like you are coming after something that is universally regarded as positive, a change for baseball, that, uh, that people no longer complaining about baseball games being too long, and furthermore don't mind this particular minute added, even though, yes, of course they could be more efficient and they're going to get this more right as it goes. They're going to perfect the technology so it'll be even faster. But you seem to have an unpopular opinion here. I don't hear people saying that.

Yeah, but when I join your show, you always say take your lead and take the lead of the container. And if you're asleep, why would I engage in sparring on a subject that you're—

I wasn't asleep. I was thinking you guys were about to argue. I was not asleep. I was listening to the two of you and you guys bailed on the argument.

It sounds like there's genuine disagreement here.

Your forehead was on the microphone.

It sounds like there's genuine disagreement here. And now you're just disagreeing with me as opposed to disagreeing with something that you're espousing. That's an unpopular opinion.

Well, it's unpopular to be efficient. And Jeremy talking about human error. Well, who wants human error? Nobody wants that. We don't sit in committee meetings in baseball and say, you know, we want more of— we want more human error. No, we want to eliminate it. Do you miss the lines, people? At tennis tournaments? Do you miss the guy on the net seeing if it's a let? Give me a break. There's no ABS. The technology is there. We don't need the going ballistic in the ninth.

I was actually whispering in Dan's ear there, Vlad Guerrero, and he was thinking on which team he associates Vlad Guerrero with.

Who, who is it?

Expos. Yeah, of course.

Do you want to play this game with David?

Because I think he's going to be appalled by what some of your answers were.

Roy saying he thinks of Clemens as Blue Jay is offensive.

Like, Red Sox.

I mean, but it's offensive. Like, that's— no one— not people in Toronto are not associating Roger Clemens with the Blue Jays.

Yes, they do. He was really good because I'm not saying he wasn't good.

I'm saying he's a Red Sox.

He was good everywhere.

He was good everywhere.

Fine.

Astro.

Astro.

He was great there too.

I don't want to play David.

Say a player.

I think he won a Cy Young as a Blue Jay, correct? Did he— did he not win a Cy Young as a good everywhere? Yes. That's a big one.

Because his wife got sent steroids, not him.

No, that's Peyton Manning.

That's Peyton Manning, I think.

I think Bronco.

Look it up.

What did Clemens use the Peyton Manning before Peyton Manning used the Peyton Manning?

Go if you, if you want to look it up, but you don't need to.

He won a Cy Young for every team he pitched for.

Good everywhere. What are you reviewing for us this week, David?

This is something that please help me in this. Did you see that? Documentary about the false prophet.

I did.

Okay. Can you explain to me why fat, ugly greaseballs get all of these women to have sex with them and convince other good-looking guys to let this greaseball have sex with their wives and they can't anymore?

You want to—

you want me to—

you want me to explain to you why it is that the cult—

yes, that cults are always sex cults and that the sex cult documentary is something that's a very successful genre right now.

No, I want to explain why are the head of cults always so ugly and greasy and fat and ridiculous? Why can't there be like a stunning Adonis-like cult leader? And you're like, of course my wife wants to have sex with him. Look at him. He's amazing. This guy, this guy is— is he— forget the fact that he's physically disgusting. He's a pedophile. There are men giving their daughters to him to have sex with. The good news, and I don't care about spoiling it, when you give your daughter who's underage to have sex with a slimeball, you're going to prison for decades. I would do it differently. I'd cut off the schlong and then I'd do capital punishment, but that's me. But this documentary goes through the entire process of how this prophet got taken down, and it was an unreal job by an undercover previously victimized cult person who got herself in there and then worked with the police and the FBI to take him down. And I'm so happy the guy's rotting in prison. He cannot be violated enough for me, and frankly, he should be killed for what he did. But it is an interesting documentary, and I encourage anyone listening to this, if you feel like all of a sudden you want someone else to have sex with your child, please seek Koresh kind of had it cooking.

Yeah, he's got a thing.

He's like a psychopath, guys.

Jared Leto too. I mean, Jared Leto's cult— it's objectively a good-looking guy.

You wanted me to explain to you false gods and how it is that all of these cult leaders in all of these genres end up, uh, tricking an assortment of people into thinking that they could get closer to God by having sex with them.

Yes, I would.

I mean, I think— but I think this genre is popular because everyone is confused by how any of this happens.

Like, there are so many movies like this about the cult guy who promised spirituality and it had to be had through having sex with him.

It's okay. It's not that much. There could be a lot of movies about it because it's like watching a train wreck. You can't turn away. My only point of it is that it makes me so sad. You watch this 4-part series and you're devastated for these women and for these children. And you think about whether it's Scientology or any of the other cults out there, you're thinking about the power that people have over others who are just insecure and looking for reason.

The part—

the part—

looking for reason now too, but not for a cult.

But the part to me about that particular documentary that stuck out wasn't whether he was good looking or not, was the general absence of anything in the way of charisma. Like, I didn't understand why anybody was following him for any reason because he had had no charisma.

Is that a cult thing that you have to have charisma?

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