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All right, live on a Sunday night. The BS podcast, Cousin Salas. Here we're going to guess the lines. We're going to talk about a whole bunch of stuff. Right before we came on, Jaden Daniels got hurt. He looked like he dislocated his elbow.

It's not our fault. Are you blaming us?

No, I'm just saying this is why we were delayed on YouTube. We were going to come earlier, but he went down and it did not look great, and it was not a great night for the Washington Commanders. We will talk about that later. I'm going to do something we've never done in 18 years of Guest Alliance. What was that? Start talking about another sport to start the podcast. We got to go backwards. Not basketball, though. Not NBA, please. No, no, no, no, no, One of the great baseball games, I think of my lifetime and yours. I don't know what the greatest is. I don't know. I almost feel like it's actors. You could say Meryl Streep is the greatest actress ever. But if you say greatest actor, you can probably get list six or seven. We've had some great baseball games in the World Series in our day. Jack Morris, that World Series. 07, Cleveland, Florida was awesome. The Arizona Yankees game was awesome. That 2016 Cubs game. So there's been some good ones. This one had everything, though. And I think when you combine the other three losses or the other two losses that Toronto had, I think this was a uniquely awful experience for Blue Jay's fans.

I can't come up with another loss like this, right? For the culmination started with the 18 in the game to now. So I want to start with the loss and then go to the win. But if that had been the Mets, would you be able to do the podcast tonight?

No, I don't think so. Even a day removed? Yeah, it's as bad as it gets. And there was already the stink of game seven, Toronto, right? For the city and the hockey team can never get past game seven. And it's one of those series where you think, wow, should they have just lost to Seattle in six? Would that have been better?

Would that have been It was better for them emotionally.

Showing up, and then up three, two, and then up three, three, nothing in game seven, which your Red Sox were up three, nothing to my Mets. You weren't home at the time, but it was really eerily reminiscent. I kept thinking of you. So you think this You thought game seven was better than the one you went there, the 18-inning game, or it's just the best game seven you've ever seen?

I think I'm talking game sevens with the drama of bringing in the baggage from the 18-inning game, from game six, when it seemed like they had it, they're bringing in glass now, basically. Third and second, it just seems like something good is going to happen for them. And all of a sudden, the game's over. The guy gets doubled off off second. The announcement's gloss over. I'm still trying to figure out why he drifted over. That that far on a ball that Kike caught like this. But then going up 3-0, having it in the ninth, having Hoffman as this giant wart on your body that you're just hoping nobody picks. I had him in the ALK. I was just waiting for him to do that. And then who hits the homer to tie it? And then what happened? How the game ended? How the instant replay? Has there ever been a closer instant replay where the team didn't get it?

No. A single cleat. Look, With these seven-game series, and you'll run into the same thing with a great basketball series. But when there's a series unlike the Super Bowl and Atlanta fans will be like, 28-3, I could point to 16 things that happen. But when you have a nine or 10-day series and you lose so close, you could point to a hundred things. Blue Jays fans, I can't even imagine what they're going through. In that 18-inning game, there were six base running errors that everybody made. And then as you talk about the cleat and the double play, and it just Was he leading off third too much? And now all these Major League baseballs are coming to a left of defense. I don't even know how I'd be able to handle this as a Mets fan. It's as bad as lost as you'll find.

Yeah, I remember when I When I wrote about the game 6 of the '86 World Series, one of the great moments of your life.

Oh, yeah. Let's hear about this.

All the different moments where the Red Sox could have finished the game off, right? And the reverse of that was when the Patriots came back against the Falcons '23. And I think it was like 15 plays where if any play had gone differently Atlanta's way, they win. Like, most famously, the Julio Jones when they had to catch, but then they somehow go backwards and have to punt, then kick a field goal. But there's a million of those. And I think those are the worst ones as sports fans. Those are the ones that still haunt me. The Celtics in game four, the '87 Finals, being up six with two minutes left. And I can still remember the entire sequence where we lost the lead, where it's just like that play, that play. And you just think about it. In a way, it's way worse than it is better to win. You're more haunted by the loss than you are.

No question.

The celebration of the win.

You're just relieved. You're just relieved when you win. And then on top of all that stuff, all the plays that came down to a quarter of an inch or this or that or this weird decision. They're up against this Halloween zombie in Yamamoto who pitched game two, game six, and they're like, All right, we've had enough of him. Game seven and raises his hand, a volunteer for games before that, too? What the hell is going on here? How do you have such an intense force on the other side? And how do you keep combating that? And they just couldn't, I guess.

That's never happened, right? What was Tom Garner, the situation with him with the Giants? It wasn't the next day him pitching 40 pitches, was it? No, I don't think so. I don't remember that. I just thought when somebody started a game and through 90 plus pitches, we did not get to see that person the next day. That person's just... And Fox was never showing the available pictures, which I don't understand. That's not a graphic. We got to see the Joe Carter homer 397 times in the graphic and game-winning homers and all this stuff. And they were so concerned with the history of everything not just telling us, here's who's left for the Dodgers. Kershaw got up in extra innings. It was like, oh, my God, can you imagine? Can you imagine if he has to come in and pitch during this? But I felt so bad for the Blue Jays.

If Luke doesn't swing at ball four, Toronto wins that 18-inning game that you were at. By the way, congratulations for sticking it through. You're one of the great Dodger fans out there, I think. I'd have to say at this point.

It was great to be there with the other Dodger fans. Well, I was thinking the difference with this Blue Jays loss is the three together. I don't remember that in a seven-game series for a baseball team before. Three horrible losses. The 18-inning game alone is the worst loss you're going to have in five years. Then the blowing game six, when everybody goes there, everybody thinks they have it in the bag. Then it seems like multiple points during that game, they're going to win that one. Then game seven, when they went up 3-0, I remember that Cardinal's, the World Series in '85 when Andrew Harf flipped out, the Royals just killed them like 11. I really started to wonder, is this going to be a blowout or the Blue Jay is just going to kill them? The Dodgers, it felt like the Blue Jays were a slightly better team, and the Dodgers were just going to... They were hanging on, hanging on, doing it all in DNA, and then eventually was going to run out. And then the longer the game went, it just didn't happen.

Every two winings, they'd get a run and they'd come back there. And to get beaten, it's one thing that They must have been like, what the fuck is going on here? Yamamoto is a robot. And then you got this guy who hasn't had a hit in a month. It's a home run against us to go ahead. And then the back to back plays with the cleat on the plate. And then the-How about the collision to end it in. Then Hernández. It was insane that that ball didn't drop. That ball drops 90 times out of 100.

Yeah, I don't know what the rankings are for me, but it's hard to think of a more dramatic game seven that just had crazy plays. The collision play alone would have been would have been enough to carry the craziness for the game because it's conceivable that just could have ball could have dropped and they win the World Series that way. Yeah, absolutely. I'm positive that's never happened before.

No, not like that.

No, that's never happened before.

Then you think about it, the Dodgers hit 204 in the series, and they hit 203 last year against the Yankees, and they won both. They won last year convincingly. It's But there were still a million great plays to talk about, even though they couldn't put the bat on the ball for 80% of the time.

Yeah, that was the cool thing about game three, at least until when in the next year's meetings, was there were so many good defensive plays and base running plays. It's just this higher level of the sport, and you start comparing your own team to it. I was texting on my Red Sox thread. I was like, How many... Doesn't this make us feel like we're a million miles away from this Dodgers team? They have four starting pitchers that we don't have. We have no chance in a series like this. And some people were talking about how the Dodgers, well, they bought this blah, blah, blah. And it's like, well, Vlad did sign a $500 million contract. They're not exactly going against Hickory Very high here. Toronto is spending money, too, and they're doing trade deadline stuff. The Dodgers piece of this, though, back to back really matters to me just as a sports fan and somebody who cares about this shit. I remember all the back to back teams. The Yankees doing it in '77 and '78, and the Reds doing it right before them. And then the Blue Jays did it. We're all pissed off because that was right when baseball was starting to change.

We're like, these motherfuckers. They bought this a little bit. They had these hired guns. They didn't grow these players themselves. These weren't the homegrown stars. And then the Yankees, obviously. But to do two in a row, I just feel like the stakes are down. You must feel that way about the Cowboys. I know I feel that way about the Pats. To win two in a row, that second one is so much harder. Well, you won more than two in a row.

Oh, back in the day. I thought you meant looking forward.

Yeah, it was great. The back to back is just like... You're planting your flag on a different planet. I think they sensed that and they understood it. And now they belong to this. Anyone can win one title, but you belong to a different stratosphere, I think.

Yeah, I agree. And you feel good for these Dodgers fans, and there's going to be a parade, and there's fireworks all over the place. It's like, yeah, this is pretty great. Then our producer Jack is like, hey, my seven-year-old has seen three championships since he was well. I'm like, I get the hell out of here. I don't want to hear from you. Fuck off. Yeah, fuck off. I'll pull a David Chang and tell you to fuck off. No, we love Jack and his son. That's enough championships.

Listen, it's been a great run for them. Kershaw somehow got his last one. I'll never forget seeing him come into that 1880 game and how nervous everybody was. When they showed him in the bullpen, I'm sure all the Dodger fans were like, Oh, my God. On top of it, it was a Saturday night Halloween, which isn't unusual for the sport. Halloween, obviously, isn't on Saturday every year, but sometimes it is, and sometimes it overlaps with a great baseball game. But the combo, at least out here, it was like, Halloween parties, the Dodgers are involved, this game is going late. This was like a water-cooler moment. I do feel like baseball is in a slightly different place in the mainstream than it was pre-COVID. Something has shifted, the pitch clock, getting Ohtani in the Dodgers, having big market teams that I think people know some of the players, the sport being enjoyable. I feel like kids, there's more kids monitoring what's going on. The video game, I think, helps, but it just felt like the sport we grew up with, I felt like.

The pitch clock is great because you still would have been at that 18-inning game. That would have been a 40 if there was no pitch clock. Greatest invention of our lifetime in sports, I think. And it's sad. You say it's in a different place. It's going to be in a much different place next year when they strike. So that's going to Don't just... Please try to get your shit together and ride the wave here because there's nothing better than baseball when it's played at the level we saw this last week.

I'm glad you brought that up because we've seen them do this before with some of the worst timing ever for just the two sides not being able to figure something out. I mean, the salaries are definitely gigantic. I know the RSNs have shifted and all that stuff. But if they damage whatever has been rebuilt here, over the last five years, that would just be... I don't know if a lot of people would come back from that.

Shame on them.

I don't 94. Remember, it took a couple of years. It was really like some baby steps. It was like Ripken, that Some of the big market teams got back involved, like the Yankees and the Red Sox got pretty good. Again, Pedro went to the Red Sox.

The Yankees got going. That was shitty until '97, until Sosa and Maguire.

That brought it back. The steroids, the homer guys.

Yeah, they needed that for sure.

But Yeah, I felt like the Braves, Yankees '96, that World Series was good. The Cleveland, Florida, even though it was two weird teams, that World Series was awesome. And then we had the Bonds and Maguire and Sosa and all that stuff heading into the '90s, Red Sox versus Yankees. We had it, and then all of a sudden it was back. And it feels like it's back now. So to blow this would just be unconscionable.

Don't take it away. Don't do it. And by the way, next year is what? The Olympics? So people will find something else to watch. They better not screw this up. They really better not.

One other guy I wanted to shout out really quickly, the catcher in the Dodgers, Will Smith, who caught all 18 innings in that game three and caught every ending of this series and then hits the game-winning homer in game seven. And I know Yamamoto had to be the MVP, but it almost feels like there should be an Intercontinental champion MVP. There should be some second thing that's awarded to somebody who just had a crazy impact on it. I think to watch him get up and then couch and get up and couch for seven solid hours. I was like, this guy, they're going to have to send him to a fucking hospital in Germany to get him ready for game four. He never came out. It was unbelievable.

Taking short hops to the thighs and everything, chasing pitches and everything. Yeah, that was a tough gig. I felt that way, too. He should have shot up the MVP rankings after that game. Game. Just the idea that it was just a few years ago, he was banned from the Academy Award. Oh, no, that was a different one. Jeff Ross. It's good to see Will Smith hitting something other than Chris Rock. I don't know. It was a million jokes.

Then Ohtani, who at some point during game three, it felt like this was going to be one of the watershed months in pro sports history for an athlete. Then by the end of it, he was just barely hanging out as a supportive cast member. He got bailed out. He was out three nothing. Seemed like he had multiple chances to get those runs back and couldn't. And then his team picked him up. But it was interesting to watch this week involved. And then my guy Muki was the other one. They had to move him back in the batting order because he was killing him. But at the same time, it's just unbelievable to me that he played shortstop. This guy went from center to right to center to second base to shortstop. There's never been a career like this.

You have to do it if you're a dodger.

And then he gets a double play to end the series.

Just ear to ear smiles as soon as he fielded the ball. You did feel good for him. The one more thing I want to say about that 18-inning game, as great as that was, and that's the pinnacle of sports, 18 innings. And you see that guy, Klein, who hadn't thrown 60 pitches through college. And oh, my God, he's just bowing these guys down. Unbelievable. They're Dodgers' 10th pitcher. That's the biggest difference between my team and the team that's in there. They have pitcher number 10 is throwing 99 on the corner. And the announcers are barely mentioning it. But that could have gone from great to absurd if we saw your guy Moukibets pitching the 19th ending or the 20th ending. That would have been ridiculous. Then you're like, oh, shit. This sucks. Imagine if Ramondre Stevenson is the quarterback of the Patriots because the game went too long. So it is amazing.

What do you do? Do you do by the 18th ending, you start a guy on second base? I don't feel like you could mess with the history of this.

I did miss the Ghost Runner a little bit.

A little bit. I mean, sitting there just watching everybody go just zeros for three solid hours was the bouge as they're taking it right now.

It's a good idea. O'tana He may be the fourth time he was intentionally walked. He can get second base, right? But at least one more base. You're not allowed to throw the first so many times. They could fudge that rule a little bit.

What's the most nerve-wracking sport to you of all the sports? Is it baseball?

I just think- For a situation like that.

Or is it hockey?

No.

Is it sudden death hockey, or is it an extra innings baseball game with everything at stake?

It's got to be hockey because there's no... Okay, if your team's up at bat, you're not going to get scored on in baseball, right? So you have that, at least. It's end-to-end, rushing, hockey. You could be on a power play and get scored on in three seconds because it's back and forth and back and forth. So it has to be hockey. But the way Basically, baseball is shot and directed and the way, though, a lot of times it's cold, the pitch are blowing on his hand, they go to the dugout, the shots of the fans, you cannot match that intensity because you have so much time in between pitches.

Baseball also has that unbelievable piece where it's like, bases loaded. The guy throw, it's like two and no count. And the financer does the, there's nowhere to put them. And you're like, Yeah, there really isn't. There's nowhere to put them.

Right. Exactly.

In hockey, I guess the version that is the five on four, the five on three power play in OT. I still feel like I've been in the house for great games in every sport. I've never seen a game seven of the World Series in person. But I still think in football when it's final two minutes and every play just feels the most momentous and they're coming to the line and it's third and eight. And it's like, if we get a stop here, we might actually win the Super Bowl. There's a different energy with Oh, yeah.

Neil O'Donnell was driving towards the end zone I was in in the Cowboy Stealers Super Bowl. And I remember thinking, I'm going to have a stroke. I'm 24 years old here, and I'm just going to stroke out here in the upper deck, and that's going to be it. So, yeah, there are situations where it does look like they're actually coming for you.

I think the single most exciting thing that can happen to a fan in sports is the come from behind home run.

Yeah.

Dave Henderson in the 1986 American League Championship Series when we were down three, one of the angels, down three runs in the ninth any, and then he hit a homer off with Donnie Moore to tie it. I still think that's the most excited I've ever been by anything that's happening. Just a single play, just where it's basically like you get a second life in a video game. Somebody just gives you a quarter and you get to keep playing. You're like, oh, my God. The most famous one when I was a kid was the Bernie Carbo home run in the Carlton Fisk game. I took it from 6-3 to 6-6. But the home run in the ninth by Rojas, the classic, you just want him to get on base. You're not thinking he's going to go deep. And then it's like, oh, my God. It's out. And then it's just like you black out, basically.

And you know why it's great in baseball? Because unlike any sport, there's no hiccup. It's not going to get called back for a holding. It's not going to get-Right. As long as it doesn't wrap around the foul pole, you don't have to worry about anything. That's a home run. He just got to touch the bases and you're good. You have to worry about a penalty kick or offsides or anything bullshit.

What's your greatest home run? What's your favorite one for the Mets? The one that made you black out?

I think I have to say Dykes are against the Astros in that playoff series. Yeah, that was pretty awesome. But there were a few against you.

Every fan base has one of them. Well, the Blue Jays, I feel bad for the fans, but 32 years, they were playing that up. I can't tell if that's long or maybe we're just old because I totally remember when they won in 92 '93. It's like, all right, they did go back to back in the '90s. This isn't the Cubs. Right.

Yeah. I just think they especially want to give it to America here. That also helped in 2025. But this isn't the Cubs. Yeah. I just think they especially want to give it to America here. That also helped in 2025. But this Thirty years is nothing. Try being a Cowboys fan. Ron, about that. Same thing.

Well, it was almost the worst weekend in the history of Canada because the Bills almost blew the Chiefs game. I consider the Bills a Canadian team. I was thinking about Ariel Hauwani, who comes on this pot a lot, who I'm friendly with. His three teams are the Knicks, the Bills, and the Blue Jays. Oh, wow. Yeah. So just in 2025, we were texting about this earlier, he had the Bills loss in January. He had that fucking crazy Knicks Pacers series with that Hallibur game, which is the most improbable basketball loss, maybe ever. And then you have this Blue Jay's going against the Dodgers. That's many, many years. Losing three horrible stomach punch losses in a row.

That's 100 seasons of no winning. Yeah, that's so good.

He's basically like, I might not have on to work this week. Do you remember after the Aaron Boon game, I left Jimmy's show the next day?

Yeah.

I left at like one o'clock. I honestly felt like physically ill. I was supposed to write jokes. I wanted to I put my head in an oven.

We also were recording you clandestinally, and you're like, Fuck you. I'm going to quit this job if you play that on TV.

I did get mad.

Yeah, you were very upset.

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I mean, I just start with me. The gambling gods just said, Hey, enjoy your Yamamoto MVP winnings. We're going to take it away from you and then some. That's it. If your great uncle leaves you anything in his will, we're going to take that, too. Effing. Packers, lions, just the worst.

Well, we were worried. We did say the favorites had done really well the last couple of weeks, and we were a little worried about the Parleys, Teaser, Train. There were a lot of obvious ones, and the ones that were the big letdowns today were the packers and the lions. I got to say, I didn't have the packers on the multi-view. Really?

Oh, not on the multi-view?

Wow. I had six games going, and they were one of the two that didn't crack it, and I didn't put it on until the fourth quarter.

Good for you.

I kept waiting for them to all of a sudden be up 20 to 6, and it just never happened. And obviously, I saw that awful The fourth and eight from the 13. I don't know what Jordan loved just whipping it into the end zone.

Was that the worst pass ever? Was it the worst pass ever?

Really bad.

Yeah. They didn't ever punt it.

How do you score 13 points and not punt?

They didn't punt. They scored 13 points, the opposing quarterback at 102 yards passing and no touch downs and an interception. If you would have told me that much, I would have taken a second mortgage out on the family home here. But yeah, that fourth and eight, are we going to start with this game? Because I think these coaches are getting a little ridiculous with not kicking. Like, fourth and eight from the 13 with 11 minutes left, you're down seven.

We did it on the fourth and 17, and it actually worked. I don't understand that one either.

That's just a lot11 minutes left. They weren't 11. I get it. Like, 11? You have to score in twice anyway. I don't know. Even Atlanta passing on the field goal in your game was weird. I know it worked, but I don't know, man. I don't know why you go for it there. So much of that shit.

Well, the I think the packers have had the biggest swerb over the last week because everyone's feeling awesome about them after that Pittsburgh game. They lose to home in Carolina. It's 13 and a half point favorites, which I'm going to say will be the biggest favorite to lose a game this year. Usually, we get over 10 points. That happens, what, four or five, four times, maybe all year. Thirteen and a half is like... That's once every couple of years.

It's the biggest since 2023, Titans Miami.

So I'm right.

And tied for their largest upset loss since 1970. I don't know.

The funny thing is they've done this in the Lafleur era. They played three really shitty games each year, and you don't know when they're going to happen. And this was obviously one of them. But then the other big thing is it seems like they lost Tucker Kraft for the year. Yeah, that looks bad. He hurt his knee and they were doing the thing like, It's not good. How's Tucker Kraft's name? Not good. When they open with the not good or it's like, Hey, we'll see. Mri tomorrow. Keep your fingers crossed. When they do the not good, that means it's bad.

They think it's MCL and ACL. So that's bad for him. He's a fun player.

Well, I thought he was their best and most reliable third down guy, most reliable red zone guy. So that changes their destiny. And then on the flip side, Carolina is in the playoff picture.

Five and four.

They're five and four. They played New Orleans and Atlanta the next two weeks. So we could have... The Carolina could be seven and four and in two weeks. And the bears could be seven and three. And those teams aren't good. Nobody thinks that bears are good. Is anybody going to get offended by that?

Nobody thinks that bears are good. It's funny. When we went over who's going to be the seventh NFC team, We settled on the Niners, and you put together that parlay, and it was like, what, plus 340? And then the Niners spanked the Giants. I'm like, oh, that's looking good. But I didn't realize. I'm like, oh, shit, the Panthers are in the picture here. What is it going? Is that really going to... Now the bears are back in it.

So Let's go to the big game, the Buffalo-Kent City game, where Josh Allen beats Mahomes. He's five and one in the regular season against Mahomes, but Mahomes is one every playoff meeting. I was trying to think of a Real life example of what this is like.

What it counts.

Yeah. There is no example. It's like, you don't really get to brag about it, but it's also not nothing. Then you think about the four playoff wins they had. One of them was the 13 seconds game where Alan did everything you could possibly do to win the game.

Is there a guy who wins a nontitle match all the time? Then the wrestling and then the wrestling and then goes up against Magnificent Morocco and he just pins him in four minutes at the meta-lens.

Yeah, he's repeatedly winning the non-title matches, not the actual pay-per-view matches. I do think watching that confirms something I've been saying all year is I just think Josh is slightly better than Mahomes for whatever reason right now. And I I think the difference is the inside the five-yard line stuff and the fourth and short stuff. I think Allen is just the best guy in the league. There's the push-push in the NFC, I get it. But I just think Allen is getting into the end zone when you're inside the five. In Mahomes, they've never QB sneaked him since he got hurt that time. And over and over again, you can actually do a goal line stand against them because you never have to worry about the QB sneak because they just won't do it. They're always trying to cheat around it or ram cream hunt in the middle or do these little quick outs. And I think it's easy to play a team when you know they're never going to QB sneak. The Raiders lost today because Lawrence ended up QB sneak what? Two times in a row to get it, finally?

Well, because they're the Raiders. But yes. And they're the Raiders. Yeah, I think they have to be extra creative down by the goal line. They don't have the right. They don't have the luxury of what the Bills doing, some of these other, even the Falcons could ram it in or Seattle, as we saw. But yeah, they have to do the shovel pass to Kelsey or something weird over the middle because- The quick, the guy in motion who does the quick 45-degrees angle, Tyree Killplay. Yeah, Rishee Rice running it in. But yeah, I mean, A, what was he held to under 50% passing? This Bill's defense, I think we're at a good spot here with some of these defenses getting better. We worried about the Bills defense. Who was the other terrible? Even the Stealers defense stepped up. I didn't expect that to happen. The Ravens. Why would you?

They were terrible last week. They gave him 20 straight passes.

Yeah, but the Stealers, Bills, and Ravens might play defense now and could lead to some fun AFC games.

You know it's fun. Kc is the eighth seed right now. Wow. Are they really? Because there's only seven playoff seeds in each conference.

You don't think they'll change that? Goodell will change that. Change that to eight.

It'd be interesting if they changed that in week 12. Hey, we have an idea. 16 team playoff brackets. I'd be remiss if I didn't mention Sal. The Patriots with Tom braided as the starter only started five and four twice in 2001 and 2002. 2001, he didn't even start the first three games. 2002, they finished nine and seven. And then after that, never again. Braided had 13 Patriot seasons of four losses or less. And after 2002, never finished worse than 11 and five. So everybody can take a big keeping sip of settled down juice in the GOAT discussion. Tom braided is We're still good. Yeah, we're still good. We're still fine.

Yeah. Oh, braided is not the goat? No, he's not the goat. Oh, he is. Oh, he is. But we have to settle down?

Okay. He's the goat. Settle down.

I don't know what you're saying.

Oh, I see. To settle down.

Oh, I see what you're saying. Oh, he has to go. I don't know. I didn't know if you were... I don't know. You were put... It's fine.

Win a few more Super Bowl. Maybe don't start the season five and four, and we can throw you in the goat. I see what you're saying. Maybe you'll be Josh Allen.

Comparing them to the current Patriots. I totally misread that. Yeah.

This one had a funny one, though. We derm it. They're up seven. There's like 30 seconds left. Chiefs have no timeouts. They're on the 36-yard line. And he decides to try to kick a field goal to go up 10, misses it.

All of a sudden, the chiefs have the ball back. What do you do there? You punt?

You punt there? Yeah, I punt. You're not going 90 yards in 20 seconds. It's not happening. Just punting out of bounds on the 10. What was it?

It was 27 seconds left, fourth and 8.

Just punting out of bounds.

Yeah. How many?

What do you want to give them the It's all at the 40. That's doable. I can get a pass interference. I can get Kelsi over the middle. I can down it. It's conceivable. I can get score in three plays.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Those just always go right into the end zone. But I guess it wouldn't matter. From the 20, with your own 20, with 20 seconds left, you're right. I mean, we've seen Mahomes do it, but that was probably... But the kick just missed. Then thank God because we had teasers all over the place with... Oh, my God.

Yeah, I had the bills to win the game. And then at halftime, I did the Chief's money line. The Chiefs were We're winning by a point in the second half.

And then we were doing a little chase and a little Jamar chasing. After Jamar chasing after that.

You mentioned that thing about the punting. I thought the same thing. They're not going to do it because these teams always kick it in the end zone. What the fuck do these punters do all day in practice every day? How many things are there to practice? It's like, all right, we're in a practice where you punt it as far as you And then I thought we'd practice when you angle the punts and they don't go in the end zone. What are the other... I guess you're practicing a fake punt player. What do punters do all day? They can't just direct a punt into the... I feel like when we were kids, punters could do this routinely. It's like how nobody can bunt anymore in baseball. Right.

Well, bunting was taken out. Yeah, right. Exactly. But yes, the coffin corner, or at least kick it out at about... Coffin corner. What are you doing? You're turning your body a little bit, And then aiming it not directly at the sideline. How far is this? But 25 yards downfield and down the sideline. These guys, it's their only job.

It's not like they're also doing five other things and bartending at night. And it's like this is a real job where they make multiple millions a year. They don't know how to do a coffin corner punt.

Kills their net, though. Kills their net stats. And then when you go to renegotiate, it's not good. I think it's like the... But now it doesn't matter. Like the basketball player taking a three with two seconds left, the full court, goes against the stats.

Well, KC is the 8 seed. They're two behind Denver. And here's what they have left, Sal. Five and four. Buy week next week at Denver. Like a real chance to be five and five. Home for Indianapolis, at Dallas, home Houston, home Chargers, at Tennessee, home Denver, at Vegas. So they played Denver twice, and they already have four losses. I think their over-under for the season was twelve and a half, I'm going to say.

Yeah, I'm not doing this, though. They'll go on their twelve One and a half for sure because they can't- But what does that feel like to you?

Eleven and six? They're still making the play.

But ten and 7, I don't think Jackson will... But 10 and 7, I think, even makes it, right? Do they have an odd, sir? Yeah. I got to look here now. This is bad.

It feels like there's two more losses in there.

It's not going to be against the Cowboys on Thanksgiving. But what do you think they are to make the play offs?

I would say minus 240.

You see, it's minus 650. They're not going to let anybody steal money. Who's the seven seed? You said they were eighth.

Well, Jacksonville is in there now.

Just saying. I guess Jacksonville does have the head-to-head, right? Yeah.

They're five and three. They've beaten KC. Right. And they have rest of the way. They play the Titans twice. That could be seven minutes. They play the Jets. That's eight. They're at Cardinals. Next week, they play the Texans, probably lost. But, yeah, there's a path for them to get to 10. Next week, they might be both 10 and seven.

They might be against Davis Mills next week. I would say he's 50/50, Stroud.

Can we talk about that game?

Yeah, let's do it.

That was my worst loss of the day. I had the Texans. Stroud got concussed. And then, apparently, Demeco Ryan's got concussed with about two minutes left because...

114.

Boot and Rally Bo next, did it again. He got hammered for the first two hours of the game. He passed out. He threw up all over the American flag on the wall, sitting next to him, and threw up all, had diarrhea. They threw him in a shower. They gave him a cup of coffee, and boot and Rally Bo came back out for the next hour. Two shutdown drives, ties the game. And Houston gets the ball on their own 13 with a minute and 14 left. Tie game. Denver has two timeouts, and I'm sitting there going, okay, handoff, handoff. Third handoff, you punt it back. They have 10 seconds left. Let's go to overtime. You have Davis Mills as your quarterback. You've scored three points since he came into the game, you're not going 60 yards against Denver's defense. Can I add one more wrinkle?

Yeah. His back is to the end zone. The lighting in those Texas stadiums are so weird, and you get in the daylight right in his face. It's like a fragmented daylight. And so he's got to look into the sun while throwing downfield. Take it from there. What are the three plays they do?

Incomplete pass on first down to Christian Kirk. Just didn't even start the clock. It goes five seconds, stops. Jaden Higgens, four-yard pass, and Higgens, for some reason, goes out of bounds. So we really want you guys to have two timeouts. Third and six, incomplete pass. Putting it back to you. 55-yard punt, returning for eight. And Denver has the ball with two timeouts, thinking with a minute left, they ran 14 seconds off the clock. And other than that, Brian Callahan, when he called... What was that thing? When he called a timeout and they were going to kick the field goal, and then it was a delay of game after they called the timeout. That was good. Delay a game after the timeout. That was the worst coaching moment of the year. They should fire him again. I think this is the new worst coaching moment of the year because Houston needed the game. They don't have a lot of room for error now. Anyway, Denver wins the game. And it was the first time where I was like, Are we sure Demeco Ryans is a good coach? Because this was bad.

I'd be pissed, too, if I had the Texans, but I stayed away. I thought whoever got the 17 first wins, and that's how it was. But 34 minutes to 25 minutes time of possession for Houston. Denver had one interception and one fumble. They had fewer total yards. Houston was just three for 17 on third down. And it was because they had Davis Mills. They obviously win the game with C. J. Stroud, I would think at this point. But just the same, roll the dice in overtime. What the hell are you thinking there?

You're home. Denver Special Teams was awful, and Boatenecks was awful for two solid hours. I was going against him in our fantasy league. Near the end of the second quarter, he was minus 1. 85. That was his fantasy total. And in the fourth quarter, I think he was at five points and then finally rallied. But that's it for the Texans. I mean, I'm not ready to make them a cross-off team, but right now they are, let's see, three and five. The Titans only once. They still have a Bills game on Thursday night. They still have at Colts, at Chiefs, at Chargers, and the Colts again. It's a cross-off in Pencil. Not in Pen, but I think in Pencil. They have this That team is not going seven and two down the stretch. That team is not going seven and two down the stretch. That's the sweet of the Colts.

Yeah. I mean, they're not grabbing a wild card, right? So they have to steal that division somehow. Boy, and it's not looking good, especially if he doesn't start next week. But Denver, are they the full of shit champs of the world? This team? I think they're decent sometimes, but they beat Cam Ward, they beat Jake Browning, they beat Justin Fields, they beat Jackson Dart, they beat Davis Mills.

I mean, that is- Something to be said for turning it on in fourth and rise into the occasion. But I also think it's the team like when we're doing over-unders next August, they would jump out to us as the full of shit team.

Right.

They're like, Look at this. They went 12 and 5. They were 8 and 1 in last two-minute games.

Well, we liked them this year because they were one and six in one score games last year.

We liked them a lot. I picked them to win the division.

Now it's gone too much the other way.

I was happy because I have a lot of Broncos over and I was upset because I thought Texans. I just think if Stroud doesn't get hurt, I think this is a win. I don't know what happened. One thing I will say, they blew a couple deep passes. They're vaunted secondary. Denver got behind them a couple of times. That was the difference because they didn't really do anything else. And then, speaking of AFC South teams, Stealers Colts. So the Stealers have six turnovers, which means against the Colts and the Patriots, the Stealers forced 11 turnover. So if you want to talk about full of shit teams, maybe start there with the short passes and just let's just get a turnover every 40 minutes against teams we're playing. I feel like it would make so much more sense if they played in New Orleans and were just the official voodoo stealers where we were like, oh, there's some actual voodoo shit going on.

Aaron Rodgers injures his hand before the game. The line doesn't move, but then it does move.

Yeah, very weird. The Colts are up seven, nothing. Stealers are doing nothing. Stealers punt, punt bounces, hits the Colts kick punt returner and rolls right to a steward. And that was it. You're like, Oh, okay, here we go. Here, this is... By the way, that happens three times a year when the dumb kick returner just for some reason just is like, Hey, there's the ball. It's right next to me. It gets hit by it.

And that's just fucking it. It's over. Yeah, that was it. I How much less do you think of Daniel Jones? I knew he was due for something like this, and the team was. I'm still okay with him. I still would be very surprised if they blew that division.

So they're outdoors.

Minus 240.

They're playing the voodoo stealers. Jones looked like 2024 Giants Jones. I mean, he was bad. It wasn't just the turnovers. He was actually just bad the whole game. He missed He had pierce open on a deep one once that he's been hitting all year and over through it. He just was not the guy from the first couple of months. I was rooting against them, even though I had money on them by 11: 15 because I started to think about the pats on the one seed. I really started thinking about it. Look at you. I got excited about it.

What a great world this is. I started thinking about it.

Indy, rest of the way, Atlanta, buy week at KC, home Houston, at Jacksonville, at Seattle, San Francisco, Jacksonville, At Houston. So Houston twice, and then at KC at Seattle. So they're seven and two. Twelve and five is conceivable. I don't think anything higher than that.

Yeah, no, I think- Thirteen and four, twelve and five, somewhere in there? Maybe eleven, maybe It'll be 11. But yeah, they can't blow it. Mine is 240. I'm just trying to look at these other odds. I wouldn't take any other team to seal that division.

I would not either. Well, we should talk about the Seahawks quickly because they just absolutely destroyed Washington. They're six and two, could be eight now. They were first in DVO heading into this game, and this was the best game they put all year. Darnals on a heater. You look at their schedule the rest of the way, their toughest road game is at chargers in two weeks. It's not going to probably be playing in that. At San Francisco to end the season or at Atlanta, it's a pretty cream puffy schedule. I think there's a real case now for them to be the one seed. Do they have one seed odds for them yet?

They're very solid. I mean, they're not even favorite to win the division. Yeah, they're plus 150.

Plus 150 for division?

For the division, yeah. I don't think they have.

They don't have the one seed bet?

Yeah, they do.

They're plus 470 for the One Seed.

And they look great tonight.

Rams are plus 380. I think they're better than the Rams, personally. I think so, too. If on a neutral field, I would pick the Seahawks.

I don't know. But is Washington a team like we should be? First of all, we should probably cross. I'm okay crossing them off, especially with... That's our next cross-off. It's Mariota the rest of the year. They're not going to get much better. They have an angry lions team, Broncos, eagles in the next five weeks. They It has to be a cross-off.

I had two cross-offs for you, actually, because I think Arizona is a cross-off now.

Oh, you don't even want to see them beat the Cowboys by three touch- No, because I think the NFC West moving away from them like it has, I don't see a scenario where they climb back.

We basically have to have... They'd have to flip places with one of the three teams, and I don't see it. They have to make up three wins because we're going to have at least two from the NFC North. So I have for cross-offs, Jets, Browns, Tennessee, Miami, New Orleans, Vegas, Cleveland, the Giants, Arizona, and Washington. Washington. That's 10.

Yeah, let's do it. We're almost there.

That's fair, right? We're heading into week 10. We have 10 cross-off.

So it's 22 teams How many teams were 16 spots.

Twenty-six spots. Or 14 spots. Yeah, 14 spots.

They look so damn good, Seattle. And the only good part of the game, really interesting, was Collinsworth. Well, he was like, Darnold, you said he was on the heater. He was like, 16 for 16, 17 for whatever he was. And Collinsworth circles the defensive line for Washington. He's like, Do you know how hard it is to have these monsters chasing you? He said, Monsters? Monsters? It's a pass-rush variation. But I'm like, all right, that's a speech thing at this point.

Monsters. Yeah.

They're so damn good.

I don't know. That turned out to be the move of the year. We thought it was going to be a wash, and it was going to be an interesting argument over the course of the year, Darnold versus Gino. And we were like, I'll be changing our minds on this one nine times. It's like, no.

I was talking about with someone else, and Darnold and Baker make so many teams look bad for passing on them in free agency, right? And just not or not sticking with them. But imagine if those guys didn't pan out, we'd have two more teams with terrible quarterbacks. This would suck so bad.

I had Seattle to win the division and Denver to win the division before the year. Looking good. The Pats to be a playoff team. Those are my three best ones. And Miami to stink. I guess those are my four best ones.

Yeah.

I've had some bad ones, though. I had Vegas to make the playoffs. Not feeling great about that because they're really, really awful. We were both under on Washington.

I wanted to win the division. That was my worst thing. But there's more to come. Don't worry, people.

We'll take a break, and then you want to apologize to some people. All right. Staying here on YouTube. All right. You wanted to apologize. We wish some luck from Baby Doll Dixon a couple of weeks ago. Today, you just have some apologies to hand out. Yeah.

I just feel like a lot of people said, F you. You guys, you're talking too much shit for a week. A month, two months, whatever. I think JJ McCarthy is at the top of that list. We're talking about, is he even injured? Or is he coming back? You know what? It doesn't matter.

Hiding an ankle sprain?

Yeah. Wentz with a broken torso is better. I think these are temporary apologies. I feel like we could take them back. You still have to pass the road test, but pretty damn good. If Caleb Williams had blown that game, I was going to say, You know what? Jj McCarthy is the best quarterback in the NFC North. I take it all back. I apologize, JJ McCarthy.

I thought he was all over the place in that game. He was basically streaky the way some guys are in a season. Over the course of four quarters, there was a couple of stretches where he looked awesome. And there were a couple of other stretches where he looked like a rookie QB playing his third start, basically, like some ran out of bounds stupidly in one play. But for the most part, I thought he was really solid. That was great win, combined with the fact that Flores and his defense finally figured out Goff had to bug him. And Goff is one of those where you know 40 minutes in, if you have him in a tease or parlay, if the defense is hitting him a certain way, And he starts fucking bounce pass in those passes over the middle, you're like, oh, my God, here we go.

Yeah. Flora has dialed up a nice plan for Goff. I think both teams had five sacks, but the Vikings five sacks were definitely more effective. The lions couldn't muster more than 65 yards rushing, I don't think. And that just screwed Goff. I knew it ended up being a close game, but probably wasn't even that close.

It was weird because they came out. Good drive, Laporta, Laporta, Laporta, a countdown. It was like, oh, here we go. Lyons, I can't wait to cross this one-off. They only ran for 65 yards. They were five for 17 on third down. And yet again had another game where multiple guys either limped off the field or were helped off the field. And And they're five and three. It was a team I really battled on whether I wanted to put them in the playoffs or not. And I finally begrudgingly got there. I had them at 10: 00 and seven as a wild card. But this has been the uneven lion season, I think all of us were worried about, right?

Yeah, but I wouldn't...

A lot of injuries, obviously.

I also don't think I'd be betting against them much. There'll be a couple of spots, I think, where they're on the road, and this week's not one of them. But I still think top to bottom. I was surprised Campbell just didn't have them ready. He had scored 88 points off of buys this last two years. So I thought, like you said, they did come out scoring. But yeah, Flores was the MVP of that game.

That was a flash sale line. We talked about it last week. The line felt like two and a half, three points higher than it should be. And they were dying for anybody to take the Vikings. And we were all like, No, we're actually going to parlay the lions and put them in teases. And we got screwed. What's your next apology?

I'm I'm going to say Colston Loveling. Tied end for the bears. We were all like, Tyler Warren, Tyler Warren, Tyler Warren. The bears are nuts for passing on Tyler Warren. Colston Lovalen State. Saves the game, saves a pick. That was like one of the I'm going to quit gambling, pics the bears.

Can we go over that? I actually took it off the TV because they did a pick six and they were up 48 to 27 with three minutes left. And not realizing that they reviewed the pick six, I still don't understand how it wasn't a pick six.

It was like the guy, the intended receiver, breathed on him or something. I don't know what touched the interceptor there. That was ridiculous. But they called him down.

We do this a lot with football where we're like, we watch football every day and the rules seem to just change depending on the situation. That's one where it's like, I watch football every week. He gathered the ball when he finally caught it and he got up and ran. And And they always call that a countdown. And why are they bringing this back? So anyway, they have to pun. All of a sudden, Flacko scores. I didn't even know about it until Hinch texted us.

Hinch texted like, Flacko has 400. I'm like, yeah, who gives a shit? So what? They're down six with the ball driving.

And it would have been one of the worst losses of all time. Then it seemed like the bears were going to win by two and not cover. And then Lovalin saves everybody.

Amazing. And there's a still of Lovelin twisting in the air with three defenders around him. The caption is, he scored on this. He just bulldozed it. Probably should have gone down at the two like Gunner Stockton did for Georgia Saturday. Then they just kicked the field goal, right? But thank God he didn't. But by the way, I'm not going to... Ben Johnson says, and you love those, right?

Ben Johnson is my favorite. I seek them out now. I'm like, What did he do a postgame?

You're going to pay him to come to your house. I love it.

He's like, This is what we do. It's like, This is what you do. You blew a 41, 27 lead with two minutes left.

Yeah. Don't apologize for a win, he tells him. All right, maybe apologize for allowing 15 points in 49 seconds.

He may be apologize to giving up 480 passing yards to a guy whose shoulder was so bad. He threw a 40-yard heel Mary. It's a slight apology. I love his things.

But as a gambler, I don't want to... I feel like I was taking it chill. Everyone's like, Oh, you got so lucky with that bears game. It shouldn't have been close.

No, that's a win. We should have won that by a three touch sense.

It's like saying a guy born without any limbs. He wins a trip to Porto Vallarta on the price is right. It's like, Oh, you're so lucky. Like, no. There's so much bullshit going on before the kick-off return for a countdown, the block field goal, the on-side kick recovery, 15 points in less than a minute. The interception, like you said, for a touch, and I was called back. All that wasn't very lucky. So eat it. I'm taking that win.

Swift's replacement was awesome. I have him in our Ringer fantasy League. Yeah, where'd you get him? That guy, if you didn't watch football all year or you were in a coma or you were in outer space and just landed and watched these games as your first games of the year, you would think that he was like Jonathan Taylor. He was fucking incredible. He was over and over again just doing shit. The wrong guy.

And that's why I turned it off. I'm like, He's just going to... He's running for seven yards a clip and they just need to kill the clock.

And then Ben Johnson gave him a game ball.

Oh, he did? Okay, good.

Yo, man, I love everybody in this room, man. It's a great win. We got to keep it going. They all said the same thing.

It's unbelievable. It's good.

Nobody ever gets it. It's like, I knew I was better than DeAndre Swift.

I've been telling all you motherfuckers all year.

This is my team.

Well, the other locker room that was different. Like Jamar Chase and Chase Brown going off on the defense. I like it. I like it. I really do.

It's in the running for the worst defense I've ever seen. Yeah.

It's now many, many games.

They're just ripping off 10-yard plays over and over again. I had Caleb in fantasy who had 40. 5 points in our league that we care about. That's nice. Monagal had 198 total yards. The bears ran for 283. Flacko had 470 for 14. I think the bangles are the most entertaining team in the league now. If they can play another shitty team, it's going to be a 40-37.

Should they play the Cowboys leading up to the Super Bowl? Like the morning of the Super Bowl?

Like a Saturday game?

That'd be great. Or even the morning of, yeah. Yeah.

Making like a $100 billion game. Get Netflix to do it. Oh, more apologies. Who do you have next?

Let's see. Who else do I have? Oh, did he? I mean, he's going to be out of jail soon. That's great. How did he do it? We'll never down him again. What a legend. You know what? This is Dumb and B. I'm going to apologize to YouTube TV. I don't know why I didn't know you could customize the four box. Why didn't I? I'm sitting there like a forensic scientist in a lab trying to match up screens.

You didn't know you could just press the thing? I didn't know. Oh my God, that's all I do.

This is great. This is unbelievable. This is a game changer. And I apologize for anything I've said to YouTube TV.

I've gotten to the point where I like for good luck putting the pats on the bottom left. Oh, really? So I'll keep moving the multi views, like trying to do it until I finally get the pats on the bottom left.

I'm an idiot. Bad job by me. I don't know why I did that. And I'll apologize.

I have an apology. Can I do an apology? Yeah, go ahead. I'd like to apologize to Mike Tomlin.

Really?

Two weeks in a row betting against him at home in Pittsburgh as an underdog. I should have known. I should have known he was going to do all the dumb stealer shit that they do all the time. I should have known it looked too easy. Daniel Jones on grass. This was the exact type of situation Tomlin loves. They were just going to get six turnovers out of nowhere. I just should have known. He This is who he is. He's going to be this guy until he's 70. Just winning game. They're always going to go 9, 8, or 10, and 7. I don't know why I went under with them. It doesn't matter who's on the team. They can have a 42-year-old QB. They can have a defense that gives up 20 straight passes the week before. They're always going to be fine. They're always going to go 9, 8, or 10, and 7.

Well, 9, 8 was still under, wasn't it? Wasn't it 9, and a half?

There were 8, and a half this year.

Oh, right. That's right.

If you wanted to go all the time. I still went under. All right. What's your last apology? One more.

I just have nerd clusters. They They're fantastic. I laughed at them. I'm like, you kids are wasting your time with these nerd clusters. They're all of a sudden. Have you had them? They're my favorite non-chocolate candy now. They've grown on me.

They're literally growing. Is that what Brad threw on our ribs?

He just did regular nerds, but they have these clusters now. It's like in a gummy. You haven't had this? You're not living right. You're just. Yeah, of course, it's unhealthy. Look at me. We can give you a.

We need a lot of KitKats lately. Been on a Kit Kat run.

Oh, that's your thing?

Kit Kat's are really good. Well, Look, my wife bought Halloween candy and bought the bigger KitKats.

Yeah. Can I tell you something? I think bigger Kit-Kats are so much better than the smaller ones. And I think it has to do with the ratio.

So much better. I think they make them differently.

They must. I think the ratio of whatever is perfect.

There's more chocolate in the bigger ones.

On the big ones. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm with you. Okay, good. Pats Falcons, Pats win, don't cover. All the Pats fans are worried about this game. And yet the Pats were up 21-7, driving before it halftime. At midfield, it was like 25 seconds left. It felt like 24 to 7 minimum. And then may get sacked, fumbled. Falcons come back down.

It didn't even get sacked. It was such a wuss play. Just gave the ball off.

Almost like a tap.

What's wrong with that guy? He's not that good. But go ahead. Yeah.

He's on pace for 4,400 yards and 34 TDs and 8 picks and breaking the completion record. Completion percentage record. He actually would have the record all time in history of the NFL right now.

I just can't believe this. I really can't believe we're doing this. Years later, you should have had to suffer like a Cleveland Brown. I did suffer.

We suffered for half a decade. What do you want Please, please.

Half a decade, and then you should have stayed with Mac Jones. You shouldn't go half a decade and now have a junior goat here. This is so stupid.

Well, he got sacked twelve times in two weeks and was under a real duress. And there's some issues with this Pats team, which we've known, but they are seven and two. They are going to, I think, be a playoff team just because of their schedule. And they do have the trade deadline coming up with $48 million under the cap. They need a pass rusher. They need another receiver. The game flipped today, not because of that fumbled, but because Boody got hurt. And all of a sudden, the Pats had nobody getting open. Diggs is still on a snap count. So it's like pop Douglas. It's Kyle Williams, the rookie receiver who every time May throws to him, either William gets crossed up with May or vice versa. He's never in the right spot. And basically, they're just throwing the tight ends and throwing swing passes. I thought they were really lucky to win the game. Jake London was killing them. It was the worst Gonzales has looked all season. Jake London was dominant.

Very tough to cover that guy.

They shut down Bijan. I thought Pennex was really up and down, but it came down and they missed an extra point.

You get to play all the teams with all the bad coaches, all the bad quarterbacks, and all the bad kickers. It's hard to lose. And you're going to have A. J. Brown against Tampa next week.

I don't think it'll be A. J. Brown, but I am looking at those Dolphins guys. That Jalen Phillips, Hendriksen would be great. The Bengos lost again. I don't think the Raiders will trade Max Crosby.

No. But look at you. The rich get richer here with this team. Do you think Vrabel a two to one for Coach of the Year is a better bet than maybe for MVP? Because he's sneaking up there, Vrabel. It's Steigen.

It's either Vrabel or Steigen, right?

Yeah. So that's who you'd have to beat out.

Does that come down to who has a better record? That's who wins Coach of the Year?

I think if you win the division and Well, I don't know. This is some schedule.

I had Vrabel at plus 750.

You do?

That's good. From before the year. I picked that in our futures draft, too.

Oh, no. It's one more thing I'm going to lose. It's terrific.

You had some good ones in the future.

You forgot who I had. Yeah. I had one stupid thing. I did a couple of good ones.

I think the Pats are missing a couple. I think they have a real chance to do something in January and maybe win a playoff game or two. But the offensive line is becoming real concerning. Will Campbell got worked a couple of times. He got just shoved backwards into May a couple of times, which I have not. I don't remember seeing that before. They never mined it either. Quickly, do we care about Forty Niners, Giants, Dabal being first coach fired? Probably not.

No, I will say- Niners are six and three. We just need to be smarter about some stuff. We need to start respecting our cross-off teams and treating them as cross-off teams. And when you could bet against them getting two and a half points, just go for it, especially since San Francisco is one of our playoff teams. How do we think this is all going to work out if we're not- How do you bet the Niners when you don't even know who's playing for them? I know. But the Giants had worse injuries, it turns out. Although now San Francisco lost someone else, too. But they heard us loud and clear about being the seven seed, and they just demolished that team.

Jags Raiders. Jags win, don't cover. They win an OT. They win because they score in overtime. Another weird overtime thing. They take seven minutes, even though they basically took the kickoff almost to midfield. Then they were just doing 40 seconds of play. They go down in the red zone. Nothing has been more exciting this year than watching the Jaguars execute plays inside the 10-yard line. They had a pick in the end zone in the first half. They actually scored. Raiders come back down, they score, but they don't get the two-point because instead of throwing to Brock Bowers, who had 12 catches, 127 yards, and three TDs, and was running a mock. He was busy. They were like, No, we're going to have Gino try to hit Tyler Locket over the defensive line. There's no way this will get tipped. And they lose.

We knew we were on a tech chain like, This is 30, 29. As the Raiders got the ball. There's no question.

They're going to overthink it.

You said it was weird over time. I thought that was the perfect... That is exactly how it should be. One team gets it, goes six or seven minutes, scores. The other team has a shot, has three or four minutes, scores, and goes for two.

I would go 12 minutes.

I love that. I know. I just think it worked out one possession each. That said, I thought this game should not have been in the late window. It should have been in a cricket stadium in Prague at 3: 00 AM Pacific Time.

I I have three questions coming in this game. Would you like a rule addendum that if you score the first TD in overtime, the first team to have the ball, they score a countdown. If they go for two and get it, the game's over.

No, I still want both teams touching the ball. It's not fair. The defenses are exhausted. It's not fair if one team wins a coin toss and the other team doesn't get it. But I get what you're saying. Whatever avoids a tie is best.

Here's my next question. Is Pete Carroll the new klapper or is he the new Joe Biden? Because it's one or the other. Because he's on the sideline. He's not really... It doesn't seem like he's doing that much coaching. His mouth's open. He's chewing gum. He's chewing gum or he just has that vacant look. Chooze gum hard. It's a lot of clapping. I know. I feel bad for him. Klapper 2. 0?

I mean, he's sitting there watching 68-yard field goals, and he must be like, What the fuck? But this is This is not my day and age, my game here. I mean, before we're going to win that game.

It does speak to how well liked Pete Carroll was and how disliked Bill Belichick is, that they're basically in the same situation in college and pros.

Yeah, well, if he had a 24-year-old girlfriend, I think it might be a different story. But they covered. I'm proud of them. And I'll say this, Bowers makes them watchable. Has a tight end ever...

He was awesome.

But has a tight end ever made an unwatchable team watchable? Just a tight end?

I don't remember. I have them in all my fantasy league. He was awesome against the pats. He got hurt. They played him hurt for three weeks, then stopped playing him. And now he's great again. It was like... That touched down pass was phenomenal. Whatever injury he had, he's fine. He was like an absolute beast. And they were throwing it to him, throwing it to him, throwing it to him to the point where it was like, Hey, man, don't get this guy hurt again. 12 catches is enough. How many? What is he going to have? 17?

Was Russ Francis your guy? I love Russ Francis. I love all those guys. But the Patriots were bad. But you watched because of Russ Francis. I'm trying to figure out another- No, we were good.

We were good in '76 all the way through. We were famous to win the AFC every year, basically. Really? Yeah. We had Russ Francis. We had Stanley Morgan and Darryl Stingley and Phil Jackson.

You weren't favorite over the Raiders and the Steelers. What are you talking about?

There was a year where we were favored to win the AFC.

Yeah, 2009.

No, 1978, maybe. Really? One of those years.

Yeah, we were like- Like when Denver went?

We almost made the Super Bowl in '76. We got Rob in the Raiders game.

We were good. All right. I'm trying to think of another tight end that made a team great. That was not great, but watchable.

I'll come off with it. Kelen Winslow.

That team was good, though.

Gonzales.

Good team.

Ben Coates? Maybe. One more thing for that game. 68-yard field goal. We've talked about this before. Not even a blip. I don't even think it made SportsCenter that somebody broke the record by two yards. So I think 75 yards has to be the number that people would actually be impressed by at this point. Interesting. 68, it's bouncing off people. 70, I don't even think people would care. 75, we're like, oh, wow, that's long.

75. Yeah. I want this to go up the record one per year for the rest of my life.

And I want it- So 101 yards?

A hundred and one. I'm not going another 33 years. No. But if I got another 15, 16 years- That's a few nerd clusters. Eighty-four-yard field goal is what I want to see. Yeah, but you're right. There were only three games played in that late window. The guy kicked the 68-yard field goal. And I was like, All right, if we get to it, we get to it.

There should never be less than four games in the late window.

Right.

Amen. They should have moved the Houston game.

I thought the cold stealers would move. Or Colts Stealers. But they wanted all the eyes, the CBS eyes on Buffalo, KC.

Ram Saints. Nothing to report here except Stafford is the MVP candidate of the week. That'll be a story tomorrow. Stafford. Why isn't he the MVP? Last year is Jonathan Taylor. This week will be Stafford.

Plus 500. It's moving up.

Chargers, Titans. Herbert, eight picks this year and a couple of really bad ones. It's like year five for him.

He just doesn't care. I don't think he is just slinging it. It's Brett Farbish, I think. I got to be honest. I didn't have this on. This is the one that kicked in until Until it got close to the spread at the end.

I had this on instead of the packer again. Chargers, to be a sneaky fall out of the playoff's team. Right now, they're six and three. There's three, seven, and two teams. Chargers are six and three. Buffalo is six and two. Chargers, the rest of the way. Pittsburgh at home. They're road games at Jacksonville, at KC, at Dallas, at Denver, and they also have Philly and Houston in LA. If offensive line is going to look like it did in the second half of the game and how it's looked without Joe Walsh. I think this is a team that could drop out. You don't think they got four? I think they go from six and three to nine and eight. It seems conceivable. Really? All right.

So let's see. I don't know. Three more wins here. Fandle agrees with you. Minus 225. So they're right there.

Ten wins, we think?

Yeah.

That has to be AFC. You can't get in with nine, I don't think. I think it has to be 10.

No, I don't think nine.

I think four wins is going to be hard for them. They're done with the Raiders? When they play KC, KC is going to need the game.

Definitely.

When they play Denver in week 18, that might be Denver playing for the one seed. They're going to give a shit about that. Philly. So it'll come down to Pittsburgh. If they lose to Pittsburgh next week, I think they- So that's Sunday night.

We're going to go over this in a second, but it's Sunday night, and it's going to be 80% Steelers fans. Yeah.

All right. One more break for the pod. We'll keep going on YouTube. Guess the lines. Week 10, I'm up 6-3.

Yeah, you're up 6-3.

Buy weeks. Cincinnati. They need time to figure out a defensive plan. If they're ever going to trade Trey Hendrickson, this is the week. He doesn't have a long term contract. Teams go nowhere. How are you going to pay him when you already paid your receiver as a borough? Why not try to get a second or a third for him?

No doubt. Or maybe he'll just drive off a cliff, take the easy way out. You're right. Poor guy.

Sintzee, Tennessee, KC, and your team, Dallas. You get a week off from not watching them.

So excited.

Thursday night. Broncos, home for the Las Vegas Raiders. The Broncos are almost definitely going to be eight and two on Thursday night. I have Broncos by nine.

I had ten and a half, and it's nine and a half. Oh, you get that. Shit, I got excited for a second because I can't do math.

Nine and a half.

I know what you're thinking.

Can they just rest Brock Bowers for that game for fantasy reasons, or if they're down 10, just not play them anymore? I need Brock Bowers in week 15 and 16. Don't get hurt in this game, Brock Bowers. Take it easy.

Gino is going to take it easy. We know that.

Gino is just doesn't have it anymore. There's just basic passes over the middle where he'd one pass in the second half, the guy's across the middle. If he leads him a little, I think it would have been a countdown, but he throws it behind. The guy has to fall down to catch it. It's just a lot of those. He just doesn't have it anymore. It's too bad. Germany game. Colts, Falcons. Pretty good game.

Yeah. I feel like there's going to be- They're going to be like Germany more than That's my takeaway for this year. I think Gondal is going to be like, Hey, we didn't realize these teams were going to be decent at this point. We'd like to take a rain check. We'll send you something else. Hey, the Jets are playing the Browns. We'll send you that instead.

Let's get started in another world war. England's like, What the hell?

Germany.

Colts, neutral field. I have in Vegas, five and a half over the Falcons.

Is this going to be one of these days? I had five, it's six and a half.

Oh, So what does that mean if it was Indianapolis? It would be Colts by eight?

Well, what was your team? Your team opened at five and a half at home, right? It went down to four and a half, but the Colts are power ranked a couple of points better than Patriots. I guess that makes sense.

If we were playing the Falcons on a neutral field, that would have been three or three and a half.

I think that's fair. You just don't know what Atlanta team is ever going to show up here.

Sunday's marquee game. We did it, Sal. We're back. You made it. The Patriots are in the Sunday marquee game.

No argument.

They're sending Nance and Romo and Tracy Woodson. Romo is going to do, Okay, Jim, here we go. Here we go, Jim. Drink me. How did he get that?

Do you think he had to pay the Howard Letterman's estate? Is Howard Letterman still alive? For that? Okay, Jim. Okay, Jim. I have Larry Holmes, four rows to two.

I love Harold Letterman.

He's great.

I have this as a hardcore TikTokTak game. Bucks minus one and a half at home against the New England Patriots.

Good. I get this one from you. I said three. It is two and a half. Oh, look how consultant you are.

Well, so how healthy are the Bucs going to be?

Well, you're playing I'm paying them at their best spot, right? It's off a buy, right? Yeah, they were off this. I don't know how healthy.

This guillotine league that we're in, which I've really enjoyed. It's the best.

Everyone do a guillotine league. It's so much better. I just want to say it's like the scramble you have to make to add drop players every week, whereas in your other league, there's no players on the waiver wire.

Yeah, because every time somebody gets voted out, you get their players or you get to be in frenzy.

Right.

I tried to gamble this year and tried to not spend a lot of our $1,000 budget on free agents and just tried to patch it together week after week, hoping if we could get to week 10, I'd have more money than everybody else. Right. And today I had Caleb Williams, who had 38. 7 points and singlehandedly carried me. I have Bucky Irving, Mayfield, and Anikbuk on the bench, and I have more money than everyone else. I'm starting to get ideas. I might have survived.

And there's only four bench players, right? Yeah. That's pretty good.

I'm starting to get ideas. Good.

I hope they light up your Patriots next week. You'll be happy.

Well, Bucky Irving, I think, will be back, right?

They were saying it looks decent that he's back. Yeah. I have a bunch of links, too.

This is a Obviously, the Pats have won a few in a row here.

You could lose one here. What is it? Six in a row? It's a tough spot. And six in a row against the spread? Just enough. It's enough. Let the other kids have a shot.

I do think they're going to make a trade. I really do. I think they're going to add somebody important. I think they're going to add an impact guy. I think the AFC is wide open, and they know what they need. They need a pass rusher. If they got an awesome linebacker, probably not conceivable. But yeah, offensive line, everybody's looking for that, whatever. Pass rusher an extra receiver they need.

It's going to be Vita Vea, taken right off the Tampa roster, thrown right in there. That'd be great. I'd take that. Head to head Sunday.

Watchables. I only got one. Rams at San Francisco. I have the Rams favorite by three points.

Yeah, I said one and a half. It's three exactly. No, it's three and a half, but you got it. Three and a half it went to.

Probably Purdy for this?

I mean, you keep saying that. Probably every Sunday night, we've said probably Purdy, but... Mac Jones looked good today. He didn't want him to come back. No, he looked okay.

Did these teams play already?

Yeah, they played that Thursday night game, right?

Oh, yeah. They beat him.

Yeah.

So big It's a bigger game for the Rams because they need to split this with the Niners or else... Yeah. Okay. That's our last watchable. Sorry, Sal.

Is that really it?

We have four fairly watchables. Ravens at Minnesota?

Yeah, that was the close.

That's the only one I would put. Would you put that in a watchable? I guess that should be in a watchable.

At this point, it is. At this point, it is. The Vikings play good enough. Yeah, I think that's fair.

I'll put that in there. I have the Ravens favorite in that game by one and a half.

Oh, I said four and a half. It is three and a half.

Really? Yeah, really. We're just all in on the Ravens as a contender again, even though they're- I think you have to be. Three and five, really? Because they look good against Miami Dolphins, who fired their GM the next day and should have already fired their coach and bench their quarterback. We're just back.

I think it's two... God, it wasn't against good teams, but it was all What about the defense, right? Is this team going to allow 40 a game?

Did you see the montage of all the terrible two passes? I actually watched that on ESP in the next day. I was having coffee. They showed a montage of the all 22 of two just missing guys. It was like It was like six passes.

He's great. He's really good.

He'll be on Good Morning Football in two years.

Maybe that's one of the guys you trade for. You got a lot of money. Good backup.

Fairly watchables. Three then. Texans, home for the Jaguars. I would have had this a watchable, but I'm going to guess C. J. Stroud doesn't play in this game.

I can't say that.

The concussion is Usually, you get scratch for a week. Right. So knowing that, I'm going to say Texans by two and a half at home against the Jaguars.

All right, I ease this one. I said one, it's one and a half. That'll move around a bunch, though, right?

I thought ETN was really good today.

Yeah, he did everything but score. I have him in fantasy.

He really had a huge impact on that game. Brian Thomas got hurt. Brian Thomas had an awesome play over the middle, ran for 40 yards, he got hurt. It was just when it was like, Here he comes. He's back. Seahawks home for the Cardinals. Wow. I did these guesses in the afternoon, and I guess Seahawks by six and a half. I'm bumping that to seven. Seahawks seven.

It's six and a half. I had eight. No, you win it. I had eight. I thought that should be higher. I don't know. Arizona, short week, going to Seattle.

So you're playing them tomorrow, and there's a weird, briset Kyler Murray thing happening.

Where Kyler Murray is available but not starting. Yeah.

Yeah. I think there's seasons on the line.

Kyler Murray is nine and oh at 18 Tee Stadium. He won a schoolboy tournament there, and he won this high school thing. I'm aware.

It seems like they don't want him to play because if he does well, then they're stuck with him for the rest of the year because he played well in this Monday night football game in Dallas.

Interesting.

So they would rather play Berset, maybe try to win anyway, but then they don't have this Kyler thing. I just think it's weird if he's available to play and you're not playing him. If Jake May was available to play, we would play Drake May.

Right. I think it's exactly that. Like, Briceet, anyone should look good, right?

Going to this. They don't want Kyler Mair anymore. It's a John Maran situation. It's a John Maran situation.

Cowboy's defense, yeah. Yeah. Briceet almost beat the Colts in Indy, so it might not be that bad.

Third watch, fairly watchable. This might be a poop factor if Daniels is out. Oh, yeah. Lynes, Washington. I got to change my pick on this. Yeah, I'm going to change it, too. Even though it's in Washington. How many points am I allowed to bump it up? Three?

I'll bump mine You bump yours three.

All right. I had minus six for the lion, so I'll bump it to minus nine.

Plus nine. Yeah, you get it. Shit. It's eight and a half. I said six and a half. That was dumb. Dumb. Five to three, you're up.

Teaser?

Oh, you love Detroit. Carly? Detroit and Denver so far. Let's keep going. You'll find another.

Denver? I do like those, too.

We're not going to screw us two weeks in a row.

Come on. That does look. Broncos over the Raiders just to win by three, and then the lions to win by three. There's another one.

That sounds great. There's another one for you.

Oh, I see it here in the poopfectalist.

You see it? Bills Dolphins. That's the one.

Bills in Miami. Dj Mikey Max staying for the rest of the year. I guess so. It's going to be spinning his records for seven more weeks here. I have Bills by nine over the Dolphins.

I had nine. I got this exactly. Nine and a half it is. So there you go. Who screws that up? Bills just to beat Miami, Detroit just to beat Washington.

Is it wrong that I'm still scared of Miami after that Falcons game?

Extended rest. They're home. They played them tough when they played on that Thursday night, right? They covered. Yeah, you shouldn't be scared.

I got to ask you, how many wins did the Dolphins end up Because I may or may not have multiple win total understand. At six and a half, four and a half, and three and a half on them for the season.

Oh, man.

Right now, they have two wins.

They have two, right?

They played the Bills, so that's a loss. They played the Commanders in Madrid, Saints Home, at Jets, at Stealers, Bangle's Home, Bucks, at Patriots. Six seems improbable, right?

Jets and Bangle's, they have to split that for you to sweep the board here.

Four and 13? Four and 13, I win. I think every bet I except one that was- Good for you.

Yeah. Don't get beat by the Jets. Or get beat by the Jets.

At Pats, week 18.

Oh, two seed that doesn't care. Oh, boy.

I'll be able to hedge it. All right. Poopfecta. Bear's home for the Giants. We don't apologize for wins. We You're three and one in the second quarter.

Thanks, Coach. I wasn't planning on it. He didn't apologize to the dry cleaner. Who's he supposed to apologize to?

He might need a sedative before those speeches. He's too jacked up. He gets too fired up.

I think Caleb Williams should paint his nails before every game. Just calm him down a little bit.

I thought Caleb was pretty good today.

Yeah.

But then I kept remembering that he was playing the bangles.

Yeah.

You just had to keep remembering. It was like watching one of your sons play a video game, but it's on the all-rooky level, and you're like, whoa, Harrison's doing really well in this game. And it's the easiest level.

You know what he was good at, though? The guy's wide open. Sure, the secondary sucks. He was pretty nifty in the pocket. He really was. There were a bunch of times I thought he was going to get sacked. To me, that's not all the front seven's fault. They had a Paul on him a bunch, but he was good escaping.

I had him on two of my fantasy teams and had very high hopes for him in that bangles game. The bangles defense might be the first defense we've had in a while where you just want to start whatever quarterback is going against them. I think I guaranteed 25 fantasy points.

Flacko is just... You see it in his face. It's just exhausted. These guys just want to kill all the defendants. What did they score? Like 38? Two games in a row? The only team to lose both games after scoring 30? Ever. That doesn't seem right.

Cowboys will do that. Jets, Browns in New Jersey. I mean, this is like first pick. This is first pick in the draft, maybe.

Oh, you think?

No, just it's in the Jets, Brown, Saints. Those are probably three of the- Titans.

No.

And Titans. But I thought the Titans were pretty encouraging today against the Chargers. I had that game on. I thought they looked all right.

They just had a good start. They had a couple of big fluky plays.

Kate Mord look good in that game? I have Jets minus one and at home.

You nailed it. I thought tic-tac, but really, I don't know why I thought the Browns would be favorite by one and a half.

But one and a half. I'm really worried I'm going to put this in Ringer 107 as a Browns plus one and a half.

Because you always love doing Gabriel on the road. You always love it.

Well, that's why I hope I don't do that. But I just keep thinking of the Browns defense against the Jets just sounds delicious.

Would this be a fun one to put Shador in if you were ever going to try him out? In New York, big good game, right?

The Sanders family needs something. Deion is getting violated in Colorado. Panthers Home against the Saints. With a chance to go six and four. Their over-under was six and a half. I have the Panthers by three and a half.

I said five and a half, so we split that. It's four and a half.

No, they've taken some of us.

The Saints can't be on the road getting less than... To a five-win team?

I'm not sure the Saints are going to win again.

Yeah. Sunday Night- The Mother Shockers didn't have a ton.

Sunday Night Chargers, Stealers in LA with... There's going to be a lot of Stealers fans. Yeah. A lot. Like a lot. And I have the chargers by two and a half.

You edge me out here. I said two, and it's three. Did you win again? Five, six, seven, eight. One, two, three, four, five.

That's it? No, we got a Monday night game.

We didn't do Giants, bears, did we?

Did we pick it? I guess we talked about it and didn't actually pick it. Yeah. Bear's home for the Giants. I had bears by five and a half.

Yeah, I had five, and it's three and a half.

So you win that one.

I don't think that's enough, though. One, two, three, four, five, six. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. What happened? We ran out of These teams can't be on buys. I need more games here. I'm sorry. Come on again.

Sunday Night Chargers, Stealers.

Yeah, we did it.

No, I know, but it just...

Let's do it again.

A lot of Aaron Rodgers in primetime games.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It seemed dubious before the year, but they've actually been pretty entertaining.

This works out.

Monday night, packers-evals.

Sorry, before I move on, they are going to have to move Washington out. Washington's got some prime slots here. They play in Denver on Sunday night football. Can you bounce a Madrid game? A Madrid game against the Dolphins. That's pretty bad. Washington against Miami.

Instead of a loser leaves town, there might be a loser stays here match. Loser just has to stay in Madrid.

Loser leaves the globe. Yeah.

Oh, man. Hey, Madrid, we hope you guys like football. Here's Tua Tagliboa and Marcus Mariota. We hope you like this.

Good luck pronouncing their names and then watching.

Yeah. So they have Washington's on... I mean, at all those TV games you listed, the Christmas one is probably the biggest thing.

Oh, yeah. It's my thing, right? That's a really tough one. Yeah, that's bad.

Because that's one of those where you're not going to the streamer intentionally. You're not stumbling across that one. All right, Sunday night or Monday night, we have Packers eagles, which I mentioned. I have Packers-Egals, which I mentioned. I have Packers in Green Bay, favorite by two and a half.

All right. Well, so you win anyway. I said two. It is two and a half. And watch the Packers be great. And we're talking about how they're the best team in the league again because they look past the Panthers.

Let's all agree not to do that again. They burned our trust too many times.

I don't get it. I don't get it. I also think if you wear like 1920s outfits, you're destined to play that way a little bit. You're going to go three yards a clip, and then you're going to get stuck on fourth down, and that's that.

Not to step on parent corner, but the packers are like my son, where he's like, When are you going to be home? I'm going to be home at 3: 30. Let's hang out. And then he comes home at 7: 30. I'm like, Then are you going to be home at 3: 30. Oh, yeah. I went there instead. Now I'm home. And after a while, when he gives me a time, I just don't believe it until he actually walks through the front door.

To me, that's the Green Bay package. Should Can you guess what time Ben- I don't trust the packers at all anymore.

The packer is like, We're going to win. We're taking this seriously. We're going for the Super Bowl. Cool.

I don't trust you. I think that should be added to a line. All right. Ben says he's going to be home at 3: 30. All right, what, Bill, what did you pick?

Sounds like 7: 25.

I put 5: 15. You get it. I picked 6: 30.

He did a good one today. He said 1: 30, and he came home at 5: 30, which is anytime he can be an extra four. And there's always a weird excuse, too. Yeah. Always something with the girlfriend. We didn't realize we had to study. It's always we I didn't realize.

He's like a mattress delivery company. He gets a four-hour window, right?

Spectrum cable. Right. We'll be there between 9: 00 and 1: 00. All right. That's it for Guest Alliance. I'm so away. You're right.

Screw you.

We do have a... I don't have the parent corner. I guess I'll have to do that read. I don't have the read for that. See, this is what happens when we're live on YouTube. What are you going to do? We'll just have to insert it in after the fact. Parent corner, go ahead. Let's see what we got.

All right. We're trying to raise funds for Cooperstown, which is the end of July. So this is my 12-year-old Harrison's team goes up there, and it costs a lot of money. So we want to offset a few of the costs. So one of the parents runs a little league, actually, and has access to fields, and was nice enough to throw a fundraiser where all eight-year-old teams from all over the area would come and play. And the 12-year-olds, Harrison and his buddies, would umpire, right? So they had to go through some slight training, but they, whatever. They're bumping eight-year-old games. So it's okay. So Harrison is going to ump four games this weekend. So two yesterday, two today. And I'm not going to watch him on two games. There's too much college football for me to bet on.

Wait, you were expected as a parent to watch him be an umpire?

I don't think so. But he had to get there and I had to pick him up. So when I picked him up, I caught the end of his second game. And he did fine. He didn't screw up, right? It was just two close plays at first, and that was it. And then he went back today, and my wife, Melissa, was in charge of it. So I get home from watching games today, and she says to me, she's like, how did he do today? She's like, well, I thought he did well, but one of the fathers was complaining about a couple of his calls.

What? I was like, what?

I was like, you were watching and you saw this? She's like, yeah, he was pissed that his kids team lost, and And he's like, well, we probably would have won if there weren't so many botched calls. And I was like, well, he was probably kidding around. Did he know Harris? He's like, no, he wasn't kidding. And I said, well, did you say anything to him? She's like, no, he's an idiot. And I said, well, who was it? And he says, I don't know. I think Michelle knows who it is. I'm like, well, tell Michelle to tell me who the fuck it is because now I got to who the hell is going off on a twelve-year-old umpire in an eight-year-old game. She's like, well, he didn't yell anything. He was just very vocal. And I'm like, yeah, that's enough. If he was vocal and like, pointing out my son, that's weird. So she's like, well, what are you going to do? I'm like, I'll think of something. And so I said to Harrison, what happened? He's like, dad, I was right about both calls. The runner came off the base. He came off second base twice.

It happened within an inning, and I called him out. I was right there. So I was really pissed off. I don't know what I'm going to do. But Michelle, if you're listening, I want names. I want to find out. I need to know who this is. And then I realized an hour before the podcast, I'm like, this was me four years So what can I really do here? It's all come full circle. Yeah, it really is. Such a mess. I still want his name.

I still can't believe you haven't been in a near altercation on the sidelines. Keep waiting to see that on TMZ Sports.

Would that be great? Would that be just the best to catch that? I would love it. I would love it. Didn't What's Her Name get arrested for that? Janice Soprano. Wasn't that an episode? A soccer game.

Remember a Million Parent Corners ago? My wife got into it with some older lady who was the grandmother of another team and was going off on the lady.

Right, right, right, right. Yeah, grandmothers, they're rough. They are really... They get in there.

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Yeah, I saw that. Good job.

When they get to 18, it's different than when you have a daughter that gets... With the sons, it's like you just start thinking of all the missed calls where they may not have made it to 18. The times they almost went to death or the time when they fell or they almost fell down the stairs or they dropped a rock on their foot. It's weird. It's not exactly... You're not Just thinking it's not like a hallmark card. It's just missed calls. But we had a party, and then my son was supposed to be home today to help clean up after, backyard, some stuff out there, and instead took his girlfriend to breakfast and then somehow ended up back at her place and then told us that she got him as one of his birthday gifts a puppy yoga session.

You're familiar with these?

What is that? This is like an LA thing that's pretty funny, actually, but I've never done it.

I'm going to hate this. What is it?

It's in Burbank. You relax, stretch, and cuddle puppies in a unique yoga experience. So that's what my son was doing at some point today. And he was supposed to come home at 1: 30 to clean up and came home when it was dark at 5: 30 and then immediately started making himself food. I was like, You're going to clean up in the back. And he said, Dad, I haven't eaten yet. And I was just like, happy birthday. I'm glad he made a. He's now more like a roommate. I would say less like a son, more like a roommate that we're running out a studio, one bedroom apartment to on the second floor of our house. And he just comes in and you have to go in and you have to go like, Hey, the cable bill, we got to pay the last two months. I just need a check or Venmo me. Yeah, I'll get to it. I'll get to it. Yeah. Happy 18 to Ben.

I have to hit him up. I'm going to contact him because you're not focused on the right thing. You want him to clean the fucking backyard. Who cares? He should not be doing puppy yoga. He can't do it. He can't. This is a gift your girlfriend gives you.

Puppy yoga club.

You say, Thank you. I'm going to go. And then you lie to her and say you went and it was great, but you don't need to do it again. But they went together. They probably went together.

They went together.

Oh, Ben. All All right. Puppy yoga.

We went through a lot of the college app process, which I know you went through with Archie. It's just so different than when we were applying to college a million years ago. There's early decision, there's early action, there's the Common app, there's these essays, but then there's these 200-word little mini-essays where they tie it to what school, what How do you see something specific to the school and all these little things? And they try to flip stuff around and try to find out more of you. I was thinking about how hapazard it was when you were going to college.

Oh, it didn't matter.

It was like, Where are you applying? I don't know these schools. Then it's like, Yeah, there's an essay. Then you got to send them a transcript. You have two teachers.

Does he have regrets? Does he have anything carries yelling at him saying, I told you you should have worked here or you should have volunteered here because that's a lot.

No, it's actually it worked out great because he's writing a 650 essay about how the puppy yoga class changed his life.

Good. Rejected.

How puppy yoga taught me more sensitive side of myself. I want to do it now. It sounds great. Maybe I should have brought them on.

Don't freaking do it. We don't have to be that gritty, but come on.

Don't do it. Speaking of parent quarter, my daughter's in the playoffs next week soccer. Oh, nice. And had a great season, and it was really fun to watch her. The div 3 athletes crossed the board. There's a lot of colleges. These kids are 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 grad school students. They're doing all their stuff and then on the side also playing for these teams and they're committed to it. And it's just cool. I really think if you care about sports, the D3 athletes putting in the time when they don't really have to. It's not like they're going to school for scholarship and it's almost like a job, and they made a commitment. This is a little different.

Are you going out there for it?

Of course, I'm going out there. Yeah.

Do you feel like she gets more nervous? I'm sure she's appreciate it.

She likes when I go. Maybe 10 years ago would have been more nervous. Oh, really?

Look at you. You're all grown up.

Nice. No, I just go. I have my little spots. I don't do the pacing, and it's really fun. This is it. Second to last year ever.

If for whatever reason there's a 12-year-old ref, take it easy on them, There might be a 12-year-old rep for the round one playoff game.

We'll see. Anyway, good luck to Emerson. Good luck to everybody in the puppy yoga class.

That's a baby doll. Good luck, by the way.

That was today's Paracorder. It was sponsored by workday. Com. Learn more at workday. Com. So we completed October. We reached daylight savings time. We got through the World Series. Nba is starting to calm down a little bit. Now we have actually a feel for the teams and what's happening. Football is in the grind. Are you starting to get sad about football? This is right when it really starts to hit you.

No, not yet. Should I be? You tell me when.

I think- We're almost at the halfway point now. We're at the halfway point of the regular season. Headed toward Thanksgiving. Playoffs. I guess we're... No, you start to get sad after Thanksgiving is when the depression comes in.

I would say that's it, yes. Right after all All the food is wrapped up and given away on Thanksgiving. I was definitely, I'm not going to lie, I was definitely sad when Jordan Love threw that pass in the end zone to a guy in the opposite- Puppy yoga there, right? It really did.

That was a puppy yoga pass of the year. From the Panthers.

So that was it.

But yeah. All right.

What do you got to buy? And by the way, I bet, I'm sorry, I bet against your Celtics. I thought you were too high on the Celtics packing it in. And I told house Wednesday, I'm like, I'm taking Boston over Cleveland here at home. I'm taking the money line. And there you go. So you're going to jump back here. They're going to make a run at the NBA Cup, and then they're going to suck again, right?

It's weird. Them and Indiana, there's just so much infrastructure from being good once upon a time that Indiana beat Golden State last night. This guy, Quentin Jackson. Carlyle is just regenerating guards in his garage that you've never heard of. The guy had 25 points to assist. But there's proud dudes on each team, and they play these games, especially like national TV or against a good team. So I don't know. I feel like all these teams are going to be probably closer to 500. I wonder if the league is so deep now that we're just going to see a lot of weird Charlotte beat who? Phoenix beats San Antonio today. It makes no sense. San Antonio hadn't lost all year. Phoenix beat them by 20 and shut down Wemby. All these teams are pretty talented.

You were very excited about- Except for Brooklyn. Our NBA Cup parlay that you put together. We're like, all right. Oh, yeah.

What was that? Read that one.

Oh, shit.

Now I don't have it. It was Philadelphia, Milwaukee, San Antonio, and OKC. It was 116 to one on Fandil. Just to win their groups, right? To win their groups. And then Philadelphia lost to Boston.

That's all right.

We'll get it back. But they can still get there. Yeah, we were excited. We needed something to make the NBA Cup more fun. All right, guys. We'll see you on the Ringer Gamut show. Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday. Friday. And then the pregame show. Maybe at the end of the year, we'll have you rank the shows and see which one you like the most.

Right. Okay, good.

Then Rahim, did we settle the thing where he tried to cheat on the Sunday pregame show or no?

We didn't settle it. I don't know what... You could have settled it. You could have said minus 120s or less.

I think minus 120s should be the highest you can go on a single bet.

He gets mad because he thinks they're moving during the show, but it never moves against them. Anyway, he lost. He wanted to take the chargers minus nine and a half, and not 10 or 10 and a half as Fandel had it. And so whatever, I gave it to him. But still in the first place.

All right. That's it. We're wrapping it up here on YouTube. Cus, as always, great job by you. Good job by you. All right, that's it for the podcast. Thanks to Cus and Sal. Thanks to Jonathan and Eduardo as well. I'm going to be back with the rewatchables Monday night. I'm not sure the schedule of my podcast this week because I'm going back east to watch some soccer. I know we're going to have a Thursday podcast and hopefully one more during the week. So stay tuned. Bear with me. I will see you a little bit later in the week on this feed. Must be 21 plus on President Select States for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 plus in President DC, Kentucky, or Wyoming. Gambling problem, call 1-800 Gamble or visit rg-help. Com. Call 888-79-7777 or visit ccpg. Org/chat-in-connect, or md-gamblinghelp. Org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit gamblinghelplinema. Org or call 800-327-5050 for 24/7 support in Massachusetts, or call 877-8 Hope, N-Y, or text Hope, N-Y, in New.