Transcript of Unbelievably Friendly Organisms: Jenna Haze

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Today's a special day, ladies and gentlemen. Dreams do come alive. No matter what anybody says, no matter what your father says to you, dreams come alive.

Your father doesn't say anything to you.

No, he's passed on. But before, he said little as well. But if he did say something, he would have said, I don't know if this is going to happen. But I've always wanted to make a movie, and now I am. I wanted to create... There was a character in this. The movie is unbelievably friendly organisms. It is about a man that became very famous for writing a book about being abducted by UFOs. He changes the view of it. He views it as he had a horrible experience, but he tells the world that he was given all this wonderful information and that he's now blessed. But it turns out they just impregnated him with a baby and then they stole his baby, and they did it in a very bad way.

So unbelievably friendly organisms. That means UFO.

Correct.

That's great. That's so smart.

Fuck you. You're a piece of shit. All right? It is, Frane. It was the one that was a copyright. And That is why it's called that. So there's a section of this. This is what you know about the UFO phenomena. A lot of times when entities take someone, they want to figure out a way to calm them down, talk with them, communicate with them, and in this case, breed with them. In my mind, I was like, who would be the person that you'd pull from the very center of my brain? And holy shit, she showed up. We have here today, Icon, Jenna Hayes, the adult entertainment industry, and now psychologist.

Well, psychotherapist. I have a master's, so I haven't done the doctorate yet, but I intend on doing the doctorate. But I'm technically a psychotherapist now and a crisis counselor. That's amazing.

That's so- Thank you. What's the biggest difference between getting your master's and being in porn? What's the biggest difference? No, No, I'm just so happy you're here.

Thank you. I'm really happy to be here, too. I'm excited, and I've heard about your podcast from some friends. So thank you for having me on. Nice.

Of course. Oh, good. I'm glad they listened.

This is the least sexy 45 minutes of your life, Jenna.

For sure.

This is going to be- I don't know.

I don't know. I had to take classes on racism and oppression and stuff.

Oh, they didn't get you going? No. I didn't get it. I can't believe it. But this is- Not my fetish. That's crazy.

But I- Unbelievable fertilizing organisms.

That's another movie. I said another movie.

Sounds like something to do with a gardener.

My gardener is looking.

Is he?

Yes. But today, I'm sorry. I know I look like a person that hordes your underwear in a giant chest, but I don't. I can't afford it. I'm an enthusiast. I can't afford it. I'm an enthusiast I do sell my clothing from my movie.

It's at shoptenneheys. Com.

Good club. Amazing.

That's a phenomenal plug. Phenomenal plug.

But today, we're not going to be talking about your illustrious career. We're not going to be talking about fun, horny things. We're going to be talking about the opposite. We're going to be talking about the truth, talking about UFOs. How have you... Have you been touched at all by the new UFO news? Like the idea of UFOs being, quote, unquote, real?

I mean, I've always known that it's real. For us to think that we are the only intelligent species in the entire galaxy universe, everything is incredibly arrogant, right? So there has to be some other way.

That's how I started as well.

Yeah. And so I actually am in the middle of watching Invasion right now, but I love alien movies. I love alien shows. So I'm seeing them drop the news and saying, oh, yeah, it is real. We do have footage, blah, blah, blah, blah, Confirmation. I saw actually this morning, it's funny, I saw something about some floating, some video on Twitter or something. I still call it Twitter. It's Twitter. It's Twitter. It's like glowing things somewhere. I didn't get to really read it because I was getting ready for this. But I was like, Oh, look, this is a good sign. I'm looking at UFO stuff right before I do this podcast. How perfect.

We're going to show you some footage because I want to get your reaction. But what is your... Have you ever had what we call an anomalous experience?

Not with aliens, no. I've had a couple of spiritual experiences that have led me to believe that there's definitely some paranormal stuff going on in the world. For example, my grandfather passed away a few years ago. I've never told anyone this, but my grandfather passed away a few years ago, and I wasn't able to go to his service. I was reading a book on my couch, and in the middle, it was silent in my house, and I heard in the middle of my living room, three feet from me, the sound of keys jingling. I was like, Oh, my God. As a psychotherapist, I'm like, Am I getting... Am I schizophrenia? What's going on? I'm hearing things. My sister who happens to see ghosts and everything like that. She has a very deep spiritual connection.

Are you Italian?

I know, but I talk with my hands a lot.

I'm just wondering.

But she was like, Jen, she's like, That was your grandfather. He used to jiggle his keys in his pocket all the time. That was him saying that he's here and he understands and saying goodbye.

Why didn't you come to my funeral? You don't seem busy. You're just reading a book. You could have made it.

Well, I didn't come to the funeral because my aunt does not like me very much.

Fair enough. Well, then don't you feel like that's not the time to start drama? I actually was talking about this with somebody about a funeral is a great drama inflection point.

I feel like everyone gets a pass during the funeral.

Yeah, I mean, it's a hard time, but I'm just glad that I got to have that moment. Then another time after my mom passed away a few years ago, she came to me in a dream, and it was the most vivid dream I've ever had. I could smell her skin. I could feel the texture of her hair. It was unbelievably vivid. Those two experiences made me be like, Okay, there's way more to this world. There's some truth to this ghost thing. There's some truth to the spiritual thing. There's some truth to who knows? I mean, all the folklore and stuff, the werewolves and the vampires, who knows what grain of truth is in all of that, right?

It's been connected to... There's a guy named Jacques Follet that talks about this idea that we have been following followed by the phenomena since the very beginning of consciousness, and that the stories that we say about aliens and the Grays and all these types of things are the same stories that they said about fairies in the medieval times because they would be abducted and turned... You know the story of a changeling? A child being stolen by fairies and coming back being replaced. That's all alien abduction. All of that is the same thing. Jacques Vallée talks that we've been mirrored by this phenomenon for a long time, and it's got something to do with us. But who knows if it's got... If there is something outside of us?

Who knows? I mean, I think that there's got to be a grain of truth in all of these things. I'm obsessed with anything fantasy, really. I have fairy art all over my house, and I love anything, like horror or alien or anything like that. I get really into watching that.

Have you been reading A Court of Thorns and Roses?

Oh, my gosh. It's so funny that you say that. A friend of mine gave me that book a year or so ago, and I haven't started reading it.

We have a companion for you.

My wife runs a show on these books. They're everywhere.

They are. I've heard conflicting opinions on those books.

They're great. They do whatever. Honestly, it gets her all ready to go. She's reading a book, and it's It's sad that I'm not a seven-foot-tall, bewinged, barbed, penis, giant man.

Yes, it is sad.

But in the end, I mean, I'm there. That man would be difficult.

Yeah, I mean, for me, it was more of reading Anne Rice and Laurel K.

Hamilton and things like that. So a little bit different.

I love Laurel K. Hamilton, too. Me, too. Did you have a Goth face?

I am I hang out with a lot of Goth people in the music industry and stuff, a lot of dark wave musicians and things like that. And I wear black predominantly. So I'm a honorary Goth, I guess.

Yeah, I could see it.

Sympathizer, Goth sympathizer.

I mean, because I'm an actress and a model, I like to wear all kinds of different fashion looks. So one day I look like hippy Bohemian stoner girl, the next day I look like a goth chick, the next day I look like a rocker chick, the next day I look like a sweet little psychotherapist. It's so great. I love being able to express all the different sides of me.

I actually wonder, while you were working and all this stuff, have you run into people that have been involved in the UFO world since this? You've never ended up at Alex Jones's house? Definitely not. You've never ended up at... I'm trying to think. Is he an alien guy?

I am on the opposite end of the political spectrum with that.

Oh, Yeah, you never know. That's the problem with UFOs. Ufos is the one subject. It's truly bipartisan. It is truly bipartisan. There is true. Everybody's because guess what's the only defining trait? It's insane. As long as you're just completely, utterly insane, desperate or broken, there's a place for you in ufology.

Yes. I have to say, Jenna, I've been doing this podcast for two years now, and I would say two years and three days ago, I didn't give a shit about Aliens. I think this is your opportunity to get out now. I think it's very important for you to realize that it is a deep place to go to, and you can leave, and you don't have to do this because Henry's making it.

We can ruin Jenna Hayes today. No. We can do it today if you just go down. Let's show her the video. Let's show her the video. We're going to ruin her today.

That's the thing. I didn't give a shit. I found this video.

Yeah, that's what I did to him.

I brought this to the table.

That's what I did to him. Him. He's not even interested in this shit.

It was on TMZ.

This is the days of AI, so it's hard to know what is real and what is not real anymore, right?

It's very stupid. Yeah. Whatever, though. This is real.

I wanted to be real.

I will not. I can't be challenged. I'm too fragile to be challenged.

This came from a representative in Montana, correct?

Yes. So this came from this certain So now they were having a UAP Congressional hearing, right? So this is the only thing these fucking idiots are even going to be, can sit in the same room to hear, is about UFOs now. Yeah. And so this footage, this is hot out of the bakery from the US government of an object that was seen over Yemen that was shot at by a missile and then was fine. This is what I saw this morning. This is from our buddy, Jeremy I think you and Jeremy Corbell could also hang out.

Oh, absolutely. Oh, you love him.

I don't know. Are you a cyber truck lady? No. He loves his cyber truck. Oh, does he? Oh, yeah. You've never seen a Cybertruck? No. He has a green wrap cyber truck with a UFO vanity life and his license plate on.

Is this a UFO? Yes. Oh, God. I take back anything nice I've ever said about him. That's ridiculous.

Your whole reputation is going to be ruined.

I am not gone now.

Every single thing that you work for.

Just because you got A green-wrapped cyber truck?

He has a green-wrapped cyber truck. But nevertheless, he gets great UFO footage.

Yeah. It takes him fucking 10 days to drive to Vegas.

He said he had to extinguish the flames every... It's only once a month. Continue.

All right, so what are we seeing here, Henry?

This object was shot over Yemen. So now I guess this is a part of... This is a complicated airspace. So This was over a US military base, that this thing was flying around. The worst part, the thing about this that is truly ridiculous is the fact that it's going flat against it. Boom. So that was a actual tracking missile, shot from the base itself that just turned it. It just dropped chunks of it off and then just kept flying.

Yeah, it didn't give a shit, which is pretty awesome. Now, I got to say, you got to give that guy who hit it a raise. Yeah. Because if you're able to hit a UFO with a missile, he belongs in Yemen.

I mean, he's definitely- He's busy. He's working. He's the guy that can shoot an this guy through the window of a bathroom.

This is wild. Do they have to get clearance to just try to shoot this out of the sky?

Oh, absolutely. So apparently the way it goes is that they can get clearance, but they do have... If this was over a no-fly space, that thing's not... That guy, apparently, they had to shoot it, whether they wanted to or not. Jenna, as a therapist, what do you do with people like me that see shit like this and then are like, Why am I working? Why are the aliens just coming and taking care of everything?

They don't care about you.

No, I know. Oh, I know.

Well, as a therapist, I don't judge. I come from a non mental stance. So I've heard some pretty far-out things in therapy sessions. And I don't judge. I accept not everyone's going to believe in the same things I believe in. And I don't think it's any mental illness or anything like that to believe in different things.

But what about when you're just like, then why do I have to pay taxes?

I mean, I ask myself that every day without even seeing a UFO.

I do ask that a lot. I do ask that a lot. Normally, what helps me, my questioning taxes juice is called scotch.

I just finished my taxes. My CPA sent it over today, and I signed it, and I was like, done again for another year, and then we got to do it again in a few months.

Doesn't that make you just say aliens? Just come already.

Just take it.

Just fucking come already.

It's funny that you say that because the other day I was like, You know what? Why haven't, with everything that's going on in the world, all of this craziness and everything and all of this pain and suffering and wildness and government stuff that's going on, why haven't they come down and been like, Hey. But I think they're actually observing us and being like, These people are fucking stupid.

Oh, yeah. I'm reading a book right now called The Demonized Mail. And what it's about is the charting of violence in men, specifically because of our primate natures. I do think that there is something to the idea of, Oh, that rock is filled with very violent monkeys.

Yeah, they probably... I mean, it's like you don't go swimming in an ocean full of sharks.

Some people do, but they're white and they buy a big cage and they go down amongst them.

Who knows? There's also the theory that we actually came from an alien race and were planted on this planet forever and ever and ever ago. One of my favorite books is a sci-fi book, Sci-Fi Horror, by a writer called Christopher Pike, and it's called The Season of Passage. It's about an astronaut who goes to Mars. Basically, that's the whole concept of the book is that we were actually... There's actually a different... We were planted here on Earth by an alien race. So maybe we're just an experiment to them. Maybe that's what this aircraft was doing. It was just observing and being like, Oh, man, they're not getting any better.

It was like, Oh, yeah. They were like, Oh.

I like the fact that they might be on vacation. I think that's nice. So they come in here to just chill out.

Oh, that's nice. How I went to the Wisconsin Dells?

Yes, very similar. And you didn't want to talk to the people there.

No, I didn't.

Yeah, it's like pigeon Forge. I guess.

That is the truth. Who would you be surprised? Who would you not be surprised that you've personally met would be half alien?

Probably my friend Taylor Momson.

Yeah. Yeah. Momson. Yeah, sure.

She's pretty incredible. The singer.

Yeah.

She's awesome. The reason why I thought of her, I just saw a picture of her this morning at the VMAs, and her abs are just insane. They look almost fake. She's just such a diverse creative person. I don't know, she's otherworldly.

And abs are all genetic. That's what I say to myself every day.

That's what you have to say to yourself.

They're completely genetic. There's nothing I can do about it.

I would think her. I mean, I don't know. I meet a lot of really cool people, so I'm very blessed in that aspect.

I mean, that is really cool. Would you freak out if you found out you were half alien DNA? I actually feel like that's the big secret. The big secret that they've been hovering over us is, number one, that they have a UFO they don't know what to do with. Of course. Number two, that a lot of people are walking around with alien DNA. If you're not going to do anything about it, and if it doesn't change your lunch tomorrow, why would even care if you knew.

Well, I wouldn't care if I knew.

Exactly. Yeah.

I mean, it wouldn't bother you.

But would you care?

I wouldn't care. I mean, I've had people online tell me that I look like an alien, so there you go.

You know, it is not... I'm not going to say it's not part of That's not part of the reason that you're in UFO, unbelievably friendly organisms. Because you do. You know that was the part of one of the big conspiracy theories is that the Grays got... Okay, Jenna, this is going to see how to hang with me.

No, I love it. I wish I got stone before this, though.

No, we're going to get stone, Jenna. Don't worry. We're going to get stone. Don't worry.

That is actually what Henry's best at.

We're going to do that- I try to be professional.

I try to be professional, show up sober.

No, you're the best. No, we're going to get stone.

We totally should have told you you could have got stone before this.

Oh, we should have done this together. I would have brought my fucking dabs rig, and we would have done this together.

It's okay. We'll spend lots of time together. Yes.

President Eisenhower, during his time in office, There's a very famous, apparently real story with an alien lore, is that he faked a dental emergency. That he was in Florida, he faked a dental emergency because the Grays had landed, requested his presence, and that the Eisenhower had to negotiate with an alien Gray in literally a Florida golf course where he signed an agreement saying, Okay, we'll take X amount of technology for X amount of human beings. The idea that they would have, that the Grays that they thought they could control, would have something like 150,000, whatever, humans they were allowed to just take. That they would take those people and they would begin to begin their breeding program with them because they can't stay here. They needed to create something that can mix with their DNA that can stay on this planet. Then a part of what they did was create hybrid races. They would pick people up and pregnant them, steal the babies from them, drop them back off. Then they would Then subtly put those hybrid babies in society, creating a new beauty standard, and that eventually we would go to love. That's the reason why I'm saying right now, if you are a hybrid baby, Jenny, Jenna, I want to say thank you so much for choosing this project.

I did 23 and me, and while I found out a lot about my DNA and my genetics and where I'm from and stuff, it didn't show any alien DNA, unfortunately.

Well, I don't think they're up to date on their bullshit.

23andme, there's going to be folded. There's going to be... How would you... Okay, here, Jenna, here's the fun question. Okay, let's say your DNA was stolen by 23andMe. It was.

Let's just say...

I watch Black Mirror.

Okay, I've seen the episode of Black Mirror is one of my favorite shows, and I have seen the episode where he takes the DNA off the Coke can and he makes the whole doubles of all of his coworkers and stuff. So my hope was like, if somebody wants to clone me and make another one of me or steal my DNA, they can do it so easily. I was an exotic dancer. I was an adult film star.

It's all out there. It's out there. But in my mind... All right, so I had this debate with Natalie. Okay. Okay. Let's say they take your DNA. And instead of... So one of the big problems we're having right now is trying to figure out how do we, instead of using slave to dig for the giant, all of these things that we need to make cell phones, all the cadmium, all this shit. We're subjugating large groups of people to do this. It's horrible. What if instead, because we know we can clone humans, they can clone us, and we wouldn't even know. Our clones were there digging. The clones were digging. And we sent them to do all this manual labor and shit. How would you feel about that, morally?

I don't think cloning is morally acceptable at all, period. My ex-boyfriend wanted to clone my dog. Oh, my God. We had a dog together, and he wanted to clone her. I was like, No, because I don't know. It's not going to be her, and her soul isn't going to be there. There's so many dogs.

There's so many dogs. There's so many dogs. Don't rescue dogs. Don't clone dogs. We do not need more dogs.

It'd be a fun experiment, though, in a way.

I don't know. I'm against the ethics of cloning. It freaks me out. I think it's really dangerous. I don't know. Another one of me, I don't think the world could handle it.

I don't think they could either. Here's what I think.

I think they need it. I think we need it, Jenna.

Do clones start as babies or as adults?

Babies.

So they have to grow up?

I would hope that we could stretch them. Yeah. They age fast. They age really fast. They age fast.

They age fast. They die fast, too. So clone probably lasts a couple of years.

That's what I'm saying. If it's my clone, pay me money.

I don't want your clone working in a mine, first of all. Your clone is going to fucking suck in a mine. If you started him early.

I'm not hiring you.

Start him early. I think if we're going to clone anyone, dead people.

That's a great idea.

Clone dead people. Let them work in the mines. That's a fucking great idea. Get Jenna's grandfather in the mines.

No. We won't even know, Jenna.

Get horrible people like Hitler and Genghis Khan and stuff like that and put that in the mind.

They're going to take over the mines.

I think Genghis Khan would be a great mine worker.

No, because they're going to take over the other clones. And then the clones are going to rise up.

Give them a lobotomy.

Wow. Who cares?

It's meat.

That's not a person.

That's disgusting. I have to say all of this is completely unethical, guys.

Thank you for the- I like to get used to that phrase when you're on set. What we're doing also for UFO, the movie, I'm so excited for you to meet my second family. My whole other crew of family that is on this movie is Shane Morton, Chris Brown, and they painted me head to toe for the show that I was doing for Adult Swim called Your Pretty Face is Going to Hell, and they've been working all this stuff. And so, Jenna, I did say right before this, I did hit you with, You're going to probably be covered with a lot of prosthetics.

Yeah, I think that's fun. I think it's exciting. I did a horror movie. I had a small role in a horror movie by the Butcher Brothers years ago called Raised by Wolves. And I played an escaped cult member, and they had to douse me with blood and put these carved symbols all over my body. And at the end of the day, we've been shooting all day, and they're Oh, you can go take a shower. And I was like, No, I just want to stay in this. I want to drive home like this. I drove home and I wish that someone had pulled me over. It was the only time I ever wish I got pulled over by a cop because I wanted to see the reaction of me just drenched in blood. But I love stuff like that. I love being creative and I love seeing myself in different ways and getting to have these off-the-wall experiences. So I'm excited about it.

This is going to be fun. My boys are really good at it. Just you know, Shane is going to talk about about his... He worked for a while on... Have you ever heard of gornography?

No. No.

Gornography is pornography that is made to look like... It's like zombies. I remember one time he showed me this. He was just like, Hey, bud, you want to take a look at this? And what it was is a fake vagina on top of a vagina to be eaten off of the woman. It was to be like a guy went like, and pulled off her vagina. Wow. But it was all fake.

What's that movie?

I don't know. I've never seen the film, Eddie. I'm just saying you're going to hear about it, Jenna, because Shane doesn't know how to not talk about it. So I'm doing it here now.

Well, maybe we should get an HR director on set. No.

Nothing will be made.

I was in the adult industry. I'm still technically an industry adjacent because I still promote my awesome fleshlight products and everything like that. Oh, yeah. Nice. But Yeah. So I've always been like, adjacent to that. So I've seen a lot of stuff. It's between adult stuff, being a therapist, and being around the entertainment industry, pretty much for the last 24 years, I have seen some wild stuff.

Can I honestly ask, what do you do to take care of yourself in all of that? Because I feel like... Eddie and I had a really weird night. Remember that guy? We talked to the psychologist for hours.

Oh, that guy was great.

He was awesome, but he was all like, Yeah, I don't feel shit. We were like, How do you deal with people telling you their problems all day? He's like, I don't fucking care. Therapists usually have their own therapist.

I also do a lot of self-care. So my specializations are in meditation, mindfulness, as well as working with people who do self-harming behaviors, borderline personality disorder, anxiety, depression, and suicide prevention are the areas that I work in. So I hear a lot of really, really, really harsh stuff and really heavy things. And there's I have a couple of stories that have weighed down on me that I go home and I'm like, Oh, my gosh, and they'll pop in my head again. But we're really, really big on self-care. And since meditation and mindfulness is my jam, I do a lot of meditation. I meditate every single day. I go on vacations a lot, actually, because I love to travel. I do yoga. Where's the last place you go? The last place? I spent two months in Australia last year. Isn't it great?

It's wonderful. I love it.

I've been eight times, and I love it there so It's amazing.

You seem like you would be a naturalized Australian.

Yes. I have a lot of Aussie bits.

How do you do with the spiders?

So you don't really see them in the cities, the huge ones in the cities as much. You see them more when you go up the Coast, above Sydney, the coastline up there is stunningly beautiful. And I saw some spiders that were... And I actually have a little bit of a spider phobia that I'm trying to work through right now. So I was like, but it's getting But yeah, the spiders there are really, really intense. But yeah, so I travel a lot. I have amazing friends and stuff that I turn to for support. I do journaling. But I think I've just had such a crazy life. And I'm used to chaos in a way, so it doesn't affect me.

You seem like such a bubble of sanity.

You really do.

I am.

Are you fooling us?

I mean, you have to be as a- Are you fooling us, Jenna?

You seem like such a bubble of just I've been surrounded by chaos pretty much my whole life, and I'm like the calm in the middle of the storm.

Although everybody has their own moments of outbursts and things like that.

Not me.

I'm curious about your therapy. I don't know if I believe that, sir.

I'm one of the calmest men you've ever met.

You're turning red as we talk to you.

But I think I was almost born to be a therapist. It's what I wanted to do before I got in the industry. And yeah, it's great. I think I was born to also be an actress and an adult film star. All these things came really naturally to me.

Is your therapy in person or over Zoom?

It's in person.

Nice. He's out on the therapist right now.

We don't have another session on the books, but I do love my therapist, so I'm going to have to stick with her.

I think everybody should have a therapist. That's what I got to do. Yes, I agree completely. Every single person in the world has been through something or can improve themselves in some way. And it's always good to have somebody who you can talk to and bounce ideas off of and who can help you from a non-biased perspective.

What's some good advice you can give people for that first session? Because that first session fucking sucks. When you just got to unload your entire life in an hour.

I view it as like, here comes the show. Yeah, it's time for the show.

I'm like, let me just Lay it all out. I've never had a problem talking to people, and I'm pretty much an open book, so it wasn't an issue for me. I think it's important to find the right therapist for you because it took me five tries before I found the perfect therapist for me.

How do you properly fire a therapist?

You just say, Hey, I don't think this is going to work out. I've worked with clients before who it's not a good match. Some therapists are going to be great for you, some aren't, and that's okay. It's not a big deal. It doesn't mean it's a bad therapist. It doesn't mean you're a bad client. It just means means that it's not a good fit. And that's the same way it is with romantic relationships, too. Just not a good fit. But I think if someone's going into a session for the first time, I mean, understand that everything is confidential. We're not here to judge you. We're here to help you. And it's a very, very safe spot. So a lot of people come in and they're scared, and you have to use different strategies to get the client to open up more. And then other clients will come in and they're just like me. They're just like, blah, laying it all out there. But I mean, just realizing that it's not meant to be a scary thing. It's meant to be a safe place where we can help you improve yourself and work through whatever trauma or whatever stress or mental anguish or anxiety or depression or obsessive thoughts or whatever it is that you're going through.

Yeah, I never thought I needed it. And then I started doing it.

Everybody needs It's a bit of it.

Yeah, exactly. I started doing it as preventative because I was releasing this movie about my mother, and I'm like, I'm going to do a lot of interviews. I'm going to get all sad. I'm just like, All right, I'm just going to start therapy to make sure that I'm going to be okay when this all happens. And now it's four years later, I couldn't imagine living without it. I seem like a very well-adjusted person. You have no idea, Jenna. But everyone else is like, Yeah, he doesn't need it.

He's calm. He's genuinely very calm.

Yeah, the weed helps. But it's been wonderful for me. I can't suggest it more. I love that you're doing it, and I think it's wonderful. Now, are you a therapist there? What therapist are you?

I'm a psychotherapist. I try to keep my actual credentials a little bit secret because I don't want my fans to look for me.

That was the thing I was going to ask.

I was like, do you ever- I'm in the process of getting fully licensed and everything, and I may just go straight into doctoral program in a couple of years. I just try to... I've already had fans write me and be like, Can I be your client? Can I be your client? And I'm like, No, it doesn't work like that.

Yeah, exactly.

I work primarily with women, too. I work primarily with women, not only, but mostly. My whole goal is to have a private practice where I work with people in the adult industry, people who are actresses, models, musicians, anyone in the entertainment industry.

It could be more necessary.

Jenna, honestly, that could not be. We need your perspective, actually.

Yeah, because I I think that it's hard for a therapist and a client to have as fruitful of a relationship when the therapist doesn't understand the perspective of what it's like to be an entertainer or to be a celebrity or to have to have fan base or to have stalkers or to be on set for 14 hours a day, to have these expectations be put on you and to have people act like they know you when they don't really know you. Oh, yeah.

Don't think about this. You go to therapy, right? Any other human being, you go to therapy and you say, People are saying negative things about me, blah, blah, blah. What do I do? And they'll be like, Don't look. It shouldn't involve you. What if you're a public figure? What happens when you're a public figure? And legitimately, part of my job as a CEO of a company is to absorb the negative criticism and do something about it. And it's literally the exact opposite of what you're supposed to do. Yes.

Well, yeah. And I think that's why I wanted to go in this direction, because when I was looking for a therapist, as soon as I told them what I did for a living before, they were like, Oh, and their perspective of me would change. They couldn't understand what it was like to go on tour, what it was like to deal with signing autographs, what it was like. I know that these things sound a little bit superficial in some way, but it does have an effect on someone's psyche. And coping with all the negative comments or the positive comments or the people. It's an interesting experience being somewhat of a celebrity. And because I've toured and because I've been on and been on set and done interviews galore and all of these things, I feel like I can understand people in the music industry better. I feel like I can understand people who have been movie stars. I don't think there's a lot of therapists out there, if any, that I can think of who have been some celebrity beforehand. I think I'm going to be able to give a very interesting perspective and be able to provide my clients with a service in a safe place that no one else could provide.

Well, I also imagine you deal with something that is also also very outside of a, quote unquote, somebody who's not in the public sphere of the dangerous attention. There's a certain amount of dangerous attention that comes with it, too, because I remember when I got my first significant death threat and I asked a much more famous person about this, they said, Congratulations. They said, Welcome. They're like, That means, Oh, you're doing well then.

I mean, yeah, I've gotten them since I was 19 years old.

I It can't even imagine. I didn't even want to talk about it. I've been dealing with it for 24 years. I don't even know how you walk. What do you do? How do you not look at us as two dangerous evil creatures?

Because we're falling asleep while we talk. I know, it was different.

I feel like as a 41-year-old man, the world is... I'm starting to understand now people are afraid of me.

Yeah. Really?

As a man, just walking into places, walking into amongst I'm starting to now feel like, Oh, they think I'm a police officer.

I've had people run from me for no reason, which is fine.

They look at me like I'm some authority figure, and you're like, I need one. I need an authority figure. I never had a proper mentor. That's what they're scared of is this conversation.

I think it's good that they're scared of you.

I mean, hey, not everyone's going to love that.

They're cautious. They're responsible. You look scary.

What's scary about me?

You have pentagram hats on half the time.

Pentagram is a symbol of protection.

No, yeah, but you have to scream that to explain it.

Sorry, now you're just watching. We've literally known each other for 23 years. It's okay.

If it makes me feel better, I have a purse that has a pentagram on it, so there you go.

You're just fucking... How do you feel about Satan himself? You're already hired. Don't worry about it. How do you feel about the power of Satan himself?

I mean, I don't... Okay, so on A bad day, on a bad day, I'm an atheist. On an average day, I'm an agnostic, and on a good day, I'm spiritual, but I don't believe in religion.

I'm with you. What is the difference? As someone who's an atheist agnostic, what's the difference between atheist and agnostic to you?

Well, so an atheist means that you believe that there's nothing. And agnostic means that you just don't have the knowledge. You just don't have the information to make the right decision. So there could be or there could not be. You just don't know. And until that information, that concrete evidence is provided, you are in a limbo stage of like, could be, could not be.

I view myself as a professional agnostic. I refuse to believe in anyone, in anything. Well, that's atheist. No. An atheist is saying that there's nothing.

That there's no God, there's no spirituality, there's no nothing. And when we die, there's nothing.

I think it's all true.

Really? See, I'm an atheist leading agnostic after this I think that's how I feel about it. I'm more atheist than the other side of agnostic. But if I saw something that was true, I'd believe it. Sure.

I was full atheist until I had those two experiences I told you about, and then I was like, whoa.

There's got to be something to it. If every culture on Earth believes in some spirit, there has to be something to it.

Unless it is a literal, entirely, we literally can't understand our consciousness and reality and how our consciousness works with reality. Is there such a thing as an objective reality? Like, are you actually here or are you all just globules? Am I the only guy here? Am I the only man here?

No. Are we in a simulation?

But, Jenna, I was obsessed with that thought for a long time, and then eventually I had a therapist that said, does it If it's a simulation, does it affect the appointment? Does it affect you going out to lunch? Does it affect you? And I was just like, no. Then he's like, it's a pretty good simulation, right? Yeah.

I think the idea if it was a simulation would make me feel a little bit more free because I'd be like, oh, it doesn't really matter. It doesn't really matter.

But haven't you done everything you've ever wanted it to anyway, right?

Me? No. I have so much more I want to do. Are you kidding me?

I don't mean forever, but I mean up until this point. Do you feel like you really lived it, or is it one of those things that you not ended up here? Is it one of those that you follow your heart and ended up here, or were you were like, This is a set track.

I mean, I don't know. That's an interesting question. These are deep questions. I've never been on a podcast where they've asked me things like this before.

I love it. I'm getting to know you.

I don't know how to answer that. I mean, I don't know. I just know that I sometimes believe in reincarnation. I went to a past life regressionist. I have a lot of very hippy friends and stuff. I've done like, chakra balancing. I've done like, meet, gone to mediums to contact, like dead relatives. Every one of it. Then all of those kinds of things. I sometimes believe in reincarnation because the past life regression has said that I was a love and sex goddess that was worshiped in Italy at one point. I was like, Well, that sounds pretty accurate.

I think I could sign up for that. Yeah.

That's pretty accurate.

But I don't know. Mine Because I was a man named Grunt that was crushed by a rock? No, let's continue, please.

Are you syphilis? No, I'm just.

No, don't do this to me. I just talked about it in therapy.

He's syphilis. No.

That's not what I said, sir.

I'm clean. I'm clean. Don't I look clean?

But I think that we're still finding out so much stuff. Technology is still catching up with so many things, and we're just evolving. There's so much that we don't know. It's actually exciting to think of what we might... I'm probably almost halfway through my life or whatever. From what's happened from the time I was a kid to the time now, I grew up playing the original Nintendo. My first movies were on VHS.

We had a rotary phone.

Yeah, I had a rotary phone. I grew up without cell phones or pagers or internet or anything like that. To see where we are now, I'm just excited to see what we find out. With the government releasing all this UFO footage, and things like that. Who knows?

Things could either go uphill very quickly or go downhill very quickly. When those aliens show up, we- What did it do?

Can I ask an alien question of you?

Yeah.

Are you scared of them or are you welcoming?

It depends on how they would approach me. If it's the aliens in invasion right now that I'm watching, oh, my God, no. I would be terrified of them. But what about the footage we just saw?

Do you think that's cool or does that scare you? That it can shrug off a missile like that?

I think it's really cool.

I would be welcoming at first until they showed some sign of aggression or wanted to kill me, and then I'd be like, all right.

Yeah.

It's like, don't do that. That's what I would say.

Hit the new button. No, I'm just kidding.

Yeah, yeah. Then we get it.

Yeah. You treat them like a person. I think that's very smart.

I actually feel like that they have arrived and we have no idea. They probably have. Yeah, and we just don't know.

Man, that Eisenhower thing stinks of shit to me. Because first off, why would an alien give a shit about signing an agreement? Well, that's the whole thing. Do they even have a signature? There's no law.

That's what I've said countless times is that if the Grays were real, if it is all real, right? I'll sign your bullshit. I legitimately don't. You joke, but I think that that's what it is. I think these guys show up and like, They do this thing. Thing called contract, and they act like it's a binding thing, like we're not a timeless- They take a piece of a tree and ruin it with some weird black substance, and then they say that now I have to do this?

Yeah, they're stupid. Yeah, that's correct.

Well, I mean, I don't think that they're going to look like what we think they're going to look like. Like you said, they could already be here, and we just can't see them. We can't perceive them. We don't have the right equipment or the right senses, or we're not as evolved. Maybe as a human being, we need to continue to evolve, right?

Very much so. But then, Jenna, how do we evolve as a therapist?

Well, not what we're doing now, man.

Do you think we're heading in the wrong way?

Yeah, I think that in order to evolve as human beings, we need to do what we're not doing. I think we need to evolve in areas of empathy. I think that we need to become... In the United States here, we are a very individualistic culture, right? I think we need become more of a collectivistic culture where we actually care about each other. Because right now, we're letting children... They're cutting kids benefits, and they're doing all these things that are harmful to humanity. And I think that's the wrong direction. I think that love, compassion, as cheesy as that fucking sounds, is the way to go. And I think intellectualism and learning and growing is so important. But right now, what we're seeing from our society, specifically here in the United States, is a regression, an anti-intellectualism swing, a shunning of science of all of these things. And I think that's dangerous. And I think it's absolutely the wrong direction. Because I mean, think about how much our brains have evolved since the beginning of time, right? Our brains have grown and grown and grown. And who knows what way we could evolve if we would just be good fucking people.

It's acknowledging where we're at, too, and knowing that we've had the same... It evolved, and then we've had the same brain since the beginning of civilization. It's actually more like, how do we understand that we're limited? How do we first understand that? That we still have an ancient brain, and the world and the technology is going faster than our social networks can go.

I mean, it's fucked up. We think about just cars, right? Cars are what? Like 1888 or something like that. It's the first car. Then 1912, we're flying, and then 1954, we're in space. That shit's crazy. From all of time to that, that's nuts.

In the last 150 years, We have seen so many advances that it's scary but also exciting.

It is very interesting. Interesting times indeed.

It's a great, beautiful- We don't even know what all this internet stuff is really actually going to do to our brains. They're talking lately. They've had articles about how ChatGPT is causing psychosis in individuals, which I find fascinating. I tell everyone, Please don't use ChatGPT. I have friends who use it as a therapist, and I'm like, Stop using ChatGPT.

It's just telling you what you want to hear. There's nothing in there. It's an echo. Yes, there's nothing in the box. You're talking to nobody. That's what's hard, is that.

Plus the environmental repercussions of using AI all the time aren't that great. I think that's another aspect of it. We're killing our world. We're killing our planet. I think we need to love the planet and heal the planet. I know that's hippy-dippy, but I think that's how it works. No.

That's your question. That's how you- No. That's beautiful. Imagine if Jenna said, I want the world to burn. I want radioactive material to be spread on every elementary school I encounter. I say we call the week. That's what Jenna Hayes says, Call the week. That's how we move forward.

No, I say everybody smoke wheat.

Hell, yeah, I smoke wheat every day.

Jenna, you You are literally the change the world needs. You are changing your local area, which is a way, which is literally what needs to be done.

Thank you. I really enjoy my job as a therapist. I enjoyed my job as an adult film star. I think that a lot of people say, Oh, well, being an adult film star, that's not a big deal, and you don't really help people. But I have helped people. It's crazy how many people write to me and say, Oh, my gosh, I'm in a wheelchair and I'm paralyzed and I've never had sex, but your movies give me... And couples have written to me and Oh, my gosh, we created our child watching one of your movies. You hear all these things.

It's awesome. It is. Porn properly applied saves guys' lives in a fucked up way. It really can. In the same way, like, comedy, we get messages like that. People are like, Oh, your com-based material has really saved me.

People need to laugh, okay?

Laughing is one of the best things in the world. I love laughing, and people need to laugh. Be funny. It's great.

Jenna Hayes hates laughter. Jenna Hayes says, Eradicate joy. I got to ask another- No, no, no, no.

But everybody contributes to this world in their own way, and they can bring inspiration, amusement, entertainment, whatever it is, healing in their own way. And that impacts humanity. Whether I was an adult film star or whether I'm a therapist or now I'm getting more into mainstream acting, all of these things are going to impact people in some way.

All right. I got a therapist. You have a distinct... You can answer this question better than anyone else. All right. As a therapist, with the history that you have in adult films, how do you know if you're watching too many adult films? How do you know if it's a problem? How do you know if you're addicted? What is a good way to find out? Do you think it's bad for people? Do you think it's good for people? I know it's a lot of questions at once, but...

I think most things are okay for people in moderation. I think that the way to know if you're watching too much adult content is how is it impacting your health? How is it impacting your relationships, your work, your productivity, your hygiene? Things like that. If you're also starting to become not... How do I say this right? If you're starting to have difficulty becoming aroused to just the side of a naked person or your partner or things like that, and you're searching for more and more and more and more and more extreme things online that are starting to get into questionable territory, I think that's when you realize, Hey, this might be a problem. Also, if you're doing it all day, how many tissue boxes are you going through?

Hey, so you mean to say that it's not a good thing to shoot to be the high treasurer of Goonington? These gooners are everywhere, Jenna.

I I hate that term. I really hate it.

Gooners up and down. They're everywhere. I see them everywhere. It just reminds me of the Goonies.

I just don't like that term.

It's not the Goonies, that's for certain, unless it's Martha Plimpton. If Martha Plimpton starts gooning, then it's... Then actually, which could be interesting. I could see that film. Oh my gosh. I could see it. You're going to be making me laugh. Thank you so much for talking to us today.

I really appreciate it. It's been a I'm delighted to meet you.

You're wonderful. Thank you for being in this movie.

I'm so excited.

I'm excited to begin this.

Yes, the kickstarter is launched or it's going to be launched soon. I'm not sure the time.

It will be. By the time this is out, it will have launched. Then I will be attaching to the end of this the information that you will need to go to to give me money.

I believe it's ufo. Movie, if I'm correct. Look at that.

It doesn't even exist yet, and she knows.

She's better than me. We're very excited about this.

I'm super psyched about it. When you guys reached out, I was like, Wow, this sounds like a really fun... I love comedy. I love alien stuff. I love scary stuff. Those are the areas I want to get into in movies and mainstream. So this is perfect. It's just so exciting. And I think this is going to be a really fun project.

No, it's going to be awesome. Have you been to Atlanta before?

I have been to Atlanta. I used to dance there every year on my birthday. Oh, where?

Magic City?

No, at the Pink Pony.

Oh, yeah. Pink Pony. Oh, yeah. No, Atlanta. Is that what the song's about? No, Chappelle Ron is something else. Not that Pink Pony. It's about the same thing. Not in Weoh, but it was the one in Weoh. Let's not do this. All right. It makes us look ancient. I don't care. Us describing Chaperone. Chaperone, is that the- Was that what she was talking about the whole time? The barn she went to? With her Kabuki pop music. What are they doing eating each other out in the front seat? You got to be paying attention to the road. All these girls need to be paying attention to the road. God, Jenna. Jenna Hayes.

We're going to have fun on set. I can tell.

I believe so. It's going to be a blast.

Go check out her stuff.

Yes. You can see me 24 hours a day at Instagram. Com/jennehayes. The linktree link in my bio will take you to all of my recent interviews, my music videos that I did last year.

Because you direct and you do all of it, too.

Yeah, and I've been starting a music I was just featured on an album cover for the band Death Heaven, which was really cool. I'm a very diverse individual. I got my fingers into almost everything. I love it.

That's so cool. What a wonderful conversation.

Thank you. That was so fun. My cheeks hurt from smiling and laughing now.

Good.

Now, I'm going to go smoke some weed with my neighbor.

No, go enjoy. Thank you so much.

I can't believe you didn't.

Janet, you can always do it, too. But yeah, I'm going to bring when we go to, I'm going to bring a bunch of weed. It's Los Angeles.

It's legal here.

If you are interested ever, I know this is ridiculous ask, we're going to be up in Humboldt. Oh, yeah. We're going to be doing a live show in Humboldt that we did this last year. Oh, my God. He walked away.

With an uncountable amount of weed.

I'm talking pounds of the best weed I've ever had in my life.

I'm still smoking it a year later. It's sitting in my freezer. Wow, it's still good. How do you put it in your freezer?

Put it in your freezer. It's in your freezer. It's in your freezer. It's in your freezer. It's in your freezer. It's in your freezer. Yeah. Freezer. And then we had his dog sitter picking it. Yeah. And cutting it all.

Yeah, it was great. It was great. We had a whole operation going.

You're going to like this. You're going to like your collaboration. I think I'm going to enjoy this. I'm going to bring you a pile of weed. You don't like it. Are you a smoker, are you a vapor, or are you an edible person?

I'm a jointer.

Yes. Great.

I will bring you a garbage bag of weed.

We're going to- I'm a free-roll person. Same. I'm going to flood you with some of the best weed ever. God, that's great to hear. It's a perk.

Bring it on. My last name is Hayes for a reason.

Yeah, I know. Amen. I was praying. I thought, I saw something, I was like, I think Jenna might be sober, but I was just like, for a second, I thought you might be sober, but I was just like, I hope she smokes me.

But only recreationally, of course.

Of course. Well, yeah, it's not like you're doing it. I do it professionally.

Yes.

Thank you so much, Jenna. Thank you so That's it. All right. Obviously, we're going to be in contact. I'm going to be sending you a bunch of... We're going to be sending a new script and all that shit, but we'll be in contact. Bye. Bye, Jenna.

Talk to you soon. Bye.

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