Transcript of Week 6 Studs & Duds + Injury Depression, Monday Punday - Fantasy Football Podcast for 10/13

The fantasy footballer's studio is sponsored by Walmart. Welcome to the fantasy footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Mohr, and Mike Wright.

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Monday, October 13th. Welcome into the fantasy footballers. I think this was about the time of the year last year. I became inspired to dress up as a blue medical temp for Halloween, and it would be appropriate again. It would be appropriate again. What a painful weekend of football.

Yeah, a lot more significant, important injuries this week than the usual.

There's always one. There's always one or two weeks every year where you exit Sunday and you go, What happened? How could it possibly hit all the star players?

It does every year. It felt like climbing into a dryer and hitting tumble and then coming out the other side going, What happened? If your name ended in an uca, I'm sorry. There are injuries that are devastating for your fantasy teams, and then there are ones that are emotionally devastating. Agbuka's injury.

Come on, man. That was all you had left was your long- That was all I had left in the world.

I'm buying a buca cards all weekend.

It's been taken from you.

And then Puka, obviously. And then there were a ton of... I mean, we get into studs and duds today. There were so many underwhelming performances and disappointments.

Here's the best example of how wild and wacky fantasy can be, and sometimes these weeks are bad. In our league of record, there are two teams that are nine and one. We play against median, so you get two points.

Also known as the number one and number two scoring teams.

Yeah, of course. The highest scoring teams, you guys are dominant.

This is the most important thing you could be talking about today.

I'm just pointing out.

Dominators.

These two teams, which one of them is mine, one of them is Josh.

We didn't like, tweak through. No, you guys are super teams.

This is a nine and one It should be 10 and 0, really.

Both of them. Our League of Record is a keeper league. It's not just, Oh, you guys drafted well. It's, You two came in this year having sold a little bit last year, accumulated extra draft pick. There's a wider gulf of disparity in keeper leads, and you guys are at the top. You are the presumed one A and one B, like the super teams that I'm going to have to try to beat this year, and I know that the road goes through you guys. Well, your matchup this week-Yeah, comfort yourself with this data, folks. Is to win in our league, you usually put up about 135 points in our scoring system. Right Right now, Mike, you have 72 points. Your Super team has 72.

Hold on, I still got one player, though.

You got a player left.

You're probably going to lose by a lot, then.

Yeah, because my Sunday started with Bo Nicks.

Let's hear some of these stars.

Bo Nicks, Courtland Sutton, Garet Wilson, Juan Johnson, Zay flowers. I had that combo.

Yeah, Zé flowers. What is that?

About five guys for about 25 points or so.

Yeah, I mean, those are just Duds, Duds, Duds, Duds. And you're going to win. You're going to win because Papa Josh is sitting at 62 points right now. And he had Judkins.

Givante.

Pukha and- Kenneth Walker.

Just. Henderson.

It's really crazy. Sometimes weeks are wild.

Yeah. I walked away from this week and just going like... Well, we always say the beginning of the season, a team can look like a super team, and then it changes quickly. This is why we say stay active because teams, an injury, like Puka goes down, that's going to mess up four or five of my teams. I mean, I lost everywhere this weekend. I lost everywhere, and I lost players everywhere. It was just a horrific. I'm going to survive in our Cut League. I thought inevitably I would also be chopped. I think I'll survive. Maybe not, but probably. But it was just one of those miserable, awful weeks where you just have to try to survive. But to the rest of the point I was going to say, it's just like you need to try to wait a little bit on trade sometimes as well. Because it's like if you accumulate early, injuries really disrupt the way the final part of the season is going to go. Obviously, you need to adjust and make trades all the time. I'm just thinking, if you want to make that stretch run, that might mean pushing right up to the trade deadline sometimes to see who has the clearest path the healthiest players.

Because you can build a super team today in week six, week five and a half.

You still need to have-It's not going to be that in week 11. You still need to have depth. Then as your trade deadline, and you're really making... That's when you can consolidate into really turning in two spots into one great player.

Yeah. Papa Josh is like, So you mean we shouldn't have traded every draft pick we have already?

I don't know. Maybe. I just know that you got absolutely dismantled.

Yeah.

Mike, what happened on Thursday, Mike?

You had such... Wasn't it Thursday that you had terrible games and you thought the week was already over?

No, it was Sunday morning. It was the London game.

Oh, London. That's what it was. It's the stupid freaking international game.

Disgusting game of football. Oh, yeah. Don't make us wake up for that.

It was so disgusting on offense for the Jets. Like, Every week, we've had a rant of some sort. The Cardinals got their time, and we could rant on them forever. This week is the Jets. Oh, man. The Jets are so bad at football. Disgusting. I'm wearing their colors today. I don't know why. Maybe a final farewell as they get relegated into the collegiate football ranks. It was the worst coaching, quarterback performance I've ever seen.

Yeah.

It's up there, man. It's down there.

Kurt Warner was tweaked He was waiting while he called the game because he was so like, What am I watching? He's like, I'm calling a game with no forward passes.

The Jets, it was horrifically bad. I didn't think it would be that bad, honestly, because that was impossibly bad. But if the Jets, if Garrett Wilson is locked up with a true number one shutdown corner-Oh, yeah, end the game. Then the team can't do... If Garrett Wilson is so good that he can make the Jets look competent from time to time. It's like what Mason Taylor had one catch, I think, after- Ask how many Breese Hall had. Hey, it's zero, right? Zero. Yeah. As soon as Garrett Wilson is eliminated, which Sertan can do that, then the Jets are eliminated.

They took nine sacks.

Nine sacks.

He had net negative 10 yards when you look at his passing completions with sack yardage lost. So he lost more yards on sacks than he even completed in total. Goodness gracious. It was just... And then they said this morning, I'm not going to bench him for one bad game.

Yeah, you can't. Is this what put Tyrod in?

Yep.

No. 45 total passing yards.

Oh, 45? I thought it was only 43.

No, it's the net. Oh, 43.

No, that's not the net, Mike.

That's the net negative.

All right, we'll dig in. We've got Monday, Sunday. We've got studs and duds. We've We got lots to talk about news. We'll see how long players are going to be around, and we'll dig in right now. I asked Jason to jump in and help me with the-Oh, you're just shifting blame? The Monday, Sunday. I don't think he did. No, I didn't. Why don't you start us off, Jay? All right.

We'll start with the good. We'll remember Kam. Scatter boom. Wham, bam. Thank you, Cam.

Hey, Gamunni Vidal, Oh, baby. There were some running back situations where, what in the world do you do? Well, hindsight says it was Gamani Vidal.

Yeah. Jackpot Smith and Jigbo, one of the best in fantasy. Yeah.

Rico Bow Chickawaddle.

I didn't get to be here last week.

Rico.

Rico Belcowdl.

Yeah. Yeah. Unbelievable.

Yeah. Yey, McBride.

Td Roa, McMillon. Mm-hmm.

Kendrick Horn Supremacy.

Oh, J. S. Wyn.

Yeah. We had some bad ones. I'll start. Amecaegg Big Boo. Yeah.

Quinshawn Dudkins.

Quinshart Judkins? Yeah.

Toilet Tagovoiloa.

I love that one. All right. Matthew Stafford.

Kenneth Walker, the turd.

Stefan Diggs, My Grave.

Courtland, Nothing. And Troy Stafford. Go. Kenneth Walker, the turd. Stefan Diggs, My Grave. Courtland, nothing. And Troy Stafford.

Wait. Oh, puke, Nakuwa. Puke, Nakuwa. I was like, puke, Nakuwa? I don't even puke. Puke. Yeah.

Oh, man. Here's the thing for everybody. I had a great fantasy week, No.

Honestly, if you look at your team and you had a great week this week, feel it. Take that in. Let it be a positive light because there are so many that had that one.

And remember that it was skill. Right. It was skill that got you the dub. It was bad luck that got you the L.

Always true.

Sometimes you got to remember, because you have weeks like this, remember that you have good weeks.

I told you guys I thought I'd make the playoff last week.

No, you said, I'm making the playoff.

Yeah, I really thought I was set up.

Then halfway through the games yesterday, you sold.

I sold my players. I mean, Marvin Harrison went out with a concussion mid-game. Emeka Agbuka went out mid-game. I I knew it was over, and I got out. Let's talk news.

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We found out that the Cowboys had placed Miles Sanders on season-ending IR.

That escalated quick.

Just remember, you're like one twisted ankle from Jaden Blue being a meaningful fantasy contributor.

Yeah, no. Jaden Blue should be on rosters.

And a younger talented speedster, so pay attention to that.

What's the status Phil Mafa. When is he still on IR? I think he's still in IR. He should be eligible to return soon.

Did they even keep him on the roster? I think so.

They had moved him to IR, yeah.

Okay. Yeah. I mean, Jaden Blue. He'll be in the WaverWire show. Kyla Murray dealing with a mid-foot sprain, uncertain for week seven against the packers. They have a week eight buy, so I would expect him to miss one more week.

Did you see the... I don't have the true stat in front of me because Jacobi beef brisket, briset, threw for 320 and 2.

Yeah, it had been like- It was like the last time Kyler Murray threw for 302, it's been like a thousand plus days or something. It's been weird because I think there's been three times Kyler's missed games where the backup came in and looked really good for one game, and then it all fell apart. Dobbs. Yeah, Joshua Dobbs was one of them for sure. But with the week eight buy, Kyler might not be back. Who knows if Marvin Harrison will be back right away because he had a concussion in the game in his return to Indianapolis.

Cardinal's offense got good as soon as you got rid of Kyler and Marv.

Yeah, they were productive. They should have won the game.

It was like Zade Jones looked great. All of a sudden, these wide-receivers-Yeah, Dorks scored, and Trey McBride got into the end zone, and he should have scored at the end.

I thought he was held on that play.

Oh, yeah, he definitely was.

Anthony Richardson, this was crazy. He was using a... I can't believe it's true because it's a terrible injury.

Yeah, I would have not let them- It seemed made up.

Yeah, you wouldn't have let him tell.

I would have gone with the narrative that the team is just so done with me that I'm been inactive.

Or at least like, I got into a big fight. Someone swung a helmet at me.

He basically had an accident with a resistance band, and it fractured his eye.

Oh, it was... Oh, man. I didn't know it was that bad.

It's an orbital eye fracture.

Right.

And he missed the game. And then...

Oh, man.

They also had... Who was it? Kam Ward? No, it was... Well, not Kam Ward. Chedavius? Tredavius Ward? Tredavius Ward.

Yeah, in warmups.

They have the video of it. In warmups, he's just running coverage out to the outside, and their tight end came onto the field. He ran into him, and he got a concussion. Yeah. And he got knocked out of the game. They had two players The player is knocked out of the game in warmups. Darnell Mooney is out for tonight. Colson Loveling, questionable. Dalton Kincaid, questionable for the double header. And then Debo Samuel, they said they'd take it down to the game time.

Yeah, he's talked about him on Sunday Live. He's It was listed as questionable, but the follow-up on that was a true game-time decision.

So it was- I expect him to play. I think he will, but you better have an option. Yeah, I added Luke McCaffrey. Yeah, there you go. Because you're not going to have Terry McClorent. Well, that was back when I had Debo, and when I started the games yesterday. Yeah, of course. He's not on my team. I don't care anymore. But the other one would be Jalen Lane. You could decide between Luke McCaffrey, Jalen Lane. You could pick up Cole Komet as an emergency play.

I think Cole Komet is not bad, especially if Lovelen doesn't Yeah, if you had to flex somebody over Debo.

Yeah. If you got word about it. Rashi Rice, eligible to return from suspension this week against the Raiders.

Oh, man.

And they just beat the lions.

The Chiefs. Guess who's back?

Yeah, and Mahomes is. He looks great. He's a good football player. Mekka Abuka left early with a ham string injury, didn't return. He's going to have an MRI today. Initial reports were that they don't suspect it to be as bad as Mike Evans ham string strain, but we don't really know.

Can we just talk about how good Baker is? Just serious. Laser Mayfield.

He is-He's the MVP right now.

For sure. If voting was today and the season was over, he would be the MVP. He's doing it all. It's like he just keeps losing one more piece at a time. It's like, well, he... Okay, it's this-Dog don't care. He can't handle that much. It's just like, Yes, he can. He's powering up still.

I love so much.

Yeah.

It'll be a big part of the waiver show is looking at options on that team. I traded Debo mid-morning and had to fill in an emergency flex, which I did with Tess Johnson.

Oh, my gosh.

Which was my highest scoring player.

Hey, that was a great catch.

Yeah, it was a great catch.

It was a fingertips lay.

Yeah, that was a good catch. It was a good one. But I think it was... Somebody else caught a touch down there. Tyler Johnson. Who was it?

Yeah, it was the other Johnson.

Caleb Johnson. Yeah. Caleb Johnson, maybe.

No. Caleb Johnson is the stealer.

Kam. Madison.

I'm doing great.

It's one of those weeks, man.

It's Cameron Johnson with a K.

Cameron with a K. Yeah. Did you see the story from Tess Johnson, by the way? His little... Yeah. It was so funny.

The MVP chants started because he made a great play.

He made a great play. They start chanting MVP. The way he says it is just so innocent and funny as a little rookie. He goes up to Sterling Sheppard and he goes, They're chanting MVP. He's like, I ain't done nothing this year. He goes, It's for Baker, man. He goes, Oh, yeah, that makes sense. Pukinaku, ankle sprain. It's likely to miss. He's going to miss some time. There was a report this morning. The probable liar, Sean McVeigh came out and said he's day to day.

It was almost identical to CeeDee Lamb.

Yeah. You see this all the time.

He tried to get back up, and he's like, I'm going to walk it off. Nope. Goes down, half-time, comes back. He's doing some warm-ups on the side. He's just like, No, you're done, man.

Yeah. It'll probably be a couple of weeks.

I bet it'll be three weeks.

Well, they have a buy in week eight, so definitely-That helps. Adds up, right? I mean, 6-7, then the buy.

6-7.

Oh, my gosh. You both did that. Oh, man. It's for the youths. Yeah, wow. Garrett Wills, the fact you simultaneously have the problem. Garrett Wilson suffered a knee injury in Sunday's game in London.

That didn't help.

And a brain injury from having to be a part of that offense. Marvin Harrison Jr. Left early with a concussion. He had a couple of catches, hit his head on the ground. It was Pretty obvious that he was going to be hurt in that one. John Harbaugh expects Lamar Jackson to return after the buy.

They need him.

We lost Ontavian Wix to an ankle injury. Gusicki this week, Najoku with a knee injury. That one's big Because Harold Fanon had... I mean, there was 48 pass attempts in that game by Dylan Gabriel, and I think only three went over 10 yards. But Harold Fanon, like PPR that game. Are you pulling up his stat line, Jay?

No, I was just surprised you said 48 because I thought it was more. It was. He had 52 passing attempts.

Okay. Maybe 48 of them went to Harold Fanon based on those numbers.

Yeah, Fanon, he will be an option. But man, those injuries that were... Like Najoku got blasted.

He had two different injuries.

Gabriel is throwing hospital balls, and we'll see how long that he can keep doing that before players are like, No, dude, I'm not going to get a head injury for you.

Yeah. Calvin Ridley got hurt, too.

Judy had one where he's running a post right into the safety, and Gabriel's like, Sure, here you go.

And Judy's like- Yeah, go catch this.

And Judy's like, No, I'm not doing that. And I don't blame him. You It, you cannot throw those.

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Well, the number one passer and running back for the Kansas City Chiefs, Patrick Mahomes came in at number one.

Goodness gracious.

He is the number one quarterback on the season. Do you guys realize that?

I did not. But it makes sense after- You're number one in points per game?

I'm just on the course of the season, total points. I don't know if it's per game or not.

Okay. I'll look it up. He's played so well.

Held that team together. With Rice back.

Yeah, I mean, they're going to be great.

The faithful that stayed true to Mahomes. I do not count myself as one. I was like, I'm done with this.

He is number one in points for a game. Lamar Jackson, number two. Josh Dellen, number three. So after that performance, he's at 31. 3 points per game. Wow. Drake May was number two on the week, 18 for 26 for 261 One and three. Two of those went to Keishaan Boody, which is pretty cool. I don't know if you saw his interview either, but just talking about how he had to... He was a completely different person three, four years ago. Had to change everything about his life. Good for him. And now he's turning it around, becoming a really valuable player.

If you don't know the story of Boody, he was a highly recruited player. At LSU, he was going to be on next big thing. And then things just fell apart for him with a really late draft pick. And so it's cool to see.

Jackson Dart, 23. 6 fancy points. Daniel Jones is number 4. Dak was number 5. Dak staying in the top five. They did lose against Carolina because they don't have a defense.

Man, my favorite part of football this year is Dallas's defense. It's delightful. Any team they play can score 30. It's just great. That was Bryce Young on the other side.

Well, you can't stop Carolina with Rico.

Yeah.

It's so great.

Chuba is in trouble.

Chuba is in big trouble. It's a real issue because you can't just- Can't take that off the field. Binch Rico. But also, Chuba was doing great and has paid to be their main starter. So it's like, will this turn into a 50/50 split?

If Chuba is lucky.

You think?

I do.

As long as the production is what it is right now.

He is running like a bat out of hell. He has his tails on fire.

I love Rico, so this feels- Yeah, you do.

You can victory lap all you want.

You deserve it. It feels so much fun and so good watching it happen.

No, let me help you for a second.

Oh, please. Okay.

These are the two games where I made the joke, he won't get to 200 yards. Which he didn't. I said he'll only get to 180 on the show, and that's what he got to. Yeah. 180 and 200 is insane. But if you look at all his starts, if you accumulate his starts between Dallas and now, and I think it's the last eight or 10 of them, and you run them in towards the season, he's on pace for 2,000 yards.

I have the lines here from his last nine starts. This was a tweet from Brett Whitefield. 19 for 86, 22 for 112, 18 for 131, 25 for 149, 13 for 23. Bad 23 for 104, 22 for 72, 23 for 206, and 20 for 183. He's dominating.

The Givante Being back. Great story. Feels good. But the fact that no one saw what Rico did at the end of last season, talking the NFL, Dallas, I don't know what the negotiations were, but clearly, they didn't want him back enough. He had to go to Carolina on a one-year... I don't know. He's making nothing there. It was... Well, number one- So they had... Man, Rico's got to feel 10 feet tall right now.

Number one on the week for the second consecutive week. Cam Skatebu at number 2, Josh Jacobs at number 3, Jason's Trade 4 candidate. Yeah, by the way. Devon Achan at number 4, and Jonathan Taylor at number 5. Jacobs had two rushing touch downs, five for 57 through the the air. We had talked about Cincinnati, right? And you knew Jacobs was set up. Jonathan Taylor did his thing per usual. And Devon Achan, just a shining star in a really negative-In a toilet.

It's like a golden nugget in a toilet. It's like, do you want- Would you go in and get it? I think you need to go get it.

It's gold. Did somebody just go number two in there, though?

Yeah, you could wash your hands. Of course they did. That's what they do in toilets.

Was it Mike Big Daniel that went number two in that toilet?

Yeah, so it's a little tiny turd.

That team is in so much trouble.

Because it's too much fun. Who has more rushing yards on the year?

You can do whatever you want, Mike.

Rico Doudal. Oh, my gosh. Or Saquon Barkley.

It has to be- It has to be, yeah.

Because Saquon is not on pace for 1,000 yards right now.

Yeah, Saquon is at 325 yards in six full starts. Rico has started twice. He has 472 rushing yards.

Kamani Vidal, 18 for 124.

And looked good.

Which is what he looked the week before. That's why I liked Vidal.

It's just I thought what I saw in the field. You said you liked him better than Haskins despite the fact that he wasn't starting before the injury happened to Amari and Hampton.

You had reports going into the morning. Yes, Sunday morning. Big beat writers out there. Well, first they said Bam Knight was the starter, and then they said- Which Bam Knight did play more, I think.

He played more- He played over DiMarcato.

Yeah, but it wasn't over Michael Carter.

Well, I think I looked at it, but I think he had more touches and stuff.

I don't think so. But you can look at that. But Kamani Vidal, right before the game, it's like, Hassan Haskin will be the lead back, the feature back. No, it was Vidal.

Yeah, they got us good.

Christian McAfee got his first rushing countdown. Still just 17 for 54 on the ground. They cannot run block right now.

No, they cannot. Okay, so Michael Carter, nine carries, five targets. Bam Knight, 11 carries, two targets.

Okay. He got hurt, though. Carter? No, no, no. Bam Knight got hurt.

Yeah, I think that report actually ended up being correct. He did score the touch down. But it didn't really... Oh, man, he's running back 12 right now.

Well, and Carter was literally the first drive he was out there, so it was a little confusing. Kyren got back into the end zone like he always does. Ashton Genti.

Your trade for Canada.

Yeah, so much work. I mean, 23 for 75 They managed to beat the Titans.

I mean, the Titans are awful. Abysmal. Do the Titans play the Jets this year? Does that game exist?

Because we got to look at the schedule. But Rich Rebar tweaked this out, pointed it out to us. Next week, as of right now, the New York Jets and the Cleveland Browns are favorite.

What? To win. To win their game.

Their actual-So one of them plays the Titans. What's the schedule for those two teams?

Carolina. The Jets play Carolina.

At home then.

At home, of course. And the Browns play the Dolphins.

Neither of those teams is winning.

I'm just telling you what it opened at.

If they played each other, you know they have a mute button on a remote? They need one that also turns the screen off. Oh, they've got that. They do. It's a power button. No, I want the power on, but I want it blacked out and muted. So symbolically, just blotching nothing versus that game. All right, top five wide receivers of the week, George Pickens continues his absolute money-making scheme. I mean, he is going to get $100 million.

Nine for 168 in the countdown on only 11 targets, and still Still doing what he always does with drawing deep pass interference yardage as well that doesn't show up here.

That is the most... Like, George Pickens can thank CeeDee Lamb's ankle for $100 million.

Yes. Well, I mean, the fact that he has balled out, he had to go do it.

But the way Dax is playing and being the only target, it's awesome. The timing-It'll still be good when CeeDee returns. It's just we won't be talking about him as number one every week. Jsn. Boy, he's good. Do we believe now?

I mean, I think we've believed for a while, but he is a true alpha, and I just love how he can do it in all parts of the field. He gets his deep shots, too. He reminds me a lot of Seedy Lamb in the sense that they move him around, they'll play him in the slot, they'll play him outside. He does short area stuff, and then he goes across the field deep down. He's doing everything. Also, Sam Darnold is, I think, playing good football. He's not going away. Darnold is young enough and has a good contract here, so there's stability for the Seahawks here.

You realize JSN was 50 84% of the targets?

Delightful.

Yeah, there was a point... Was that the game? Yeah, there was a point in that game, I think, that Darnold had 117 passing yards, and JSN had 17 receiving it.

That makes sense.

They were completely the only receptions of the game.

Why go to other people if it works? We said this forever, but if you have a CeeD Lamb or if you've got a Justin Jefferson- The best teams. Just throw it to him. It works every play.

Just keep doing it. That's what they did with Cooper Cup in Los Angeles. Matthew Stafford knows that lesson better than anybody.

Oh, for sure.

Calvin, Cooper Cup, Puka. Yeah. We'll see how long that injury is. Devante Adams is going to get a lot of work. Keishon Booty, two touch downs, five for 93. That's a confusing receiving room because Demario Douglas caught a long shutdown pass in this game.

Diggs disappeared. Two. Douglas had another one that got called back, right?

Yeah, he did. Diggs the Beard, Diggs the Beard? Diggs the Beard? I don't know. Diggs disappeared? And then Boody's back. Maybe. Hunter Henry didn't get involved.

Drake May is playing great football. We've seen it on film. This is what Now, talking about him as the start of the week this last week was he played so good in Buffalo despite having not a great fantasy output. The fantasy output should come, and it did this week. But the issue is to start the year, it's like, Oh, okay. It looks like Boody is the guy, is the leading target. He's going to have the target share. But then it was Douglas, and then it was Diggs, and maybe it's Hunter Henry. I think what it is, is it's whoever's going to be open. Yeah, it's Buffalo Bill. He's going spread the ball. Exactly, the Buffalo Bill. Josh Allen could be great. Josh Allen could throw for a ton, and you're not sure that you want to start anybody because if Coleman doesn't get a countdown, it's bad. I think that's what we're going to have here in New England, which is you can start them and you can get big games, but there's absolutely no predictability to who the number one guy is.

Jamar Chase, 12 targets, 10 for 94 on a countdown.

That countdown was redonkulous. It was. It was. I mean, that is... You got to have hope and optimism. Joe Flacko, I thought, played pretty well.

I mean, they-That breakdown was very...

Yes, it It was Jamal Jason, Give me that.

Yeah, there were two defenders, one that was pretty much just wrestling him mid-reception, and with one arm, his left arm, not even his hand, his arm that was facing He towards the ball, just squeezed it and caught it. Give me that.

He's so good. One week, but I would be... It's nice to have at least some hope after what we've been experiencing with Jake Browning.

Lad McConkey with no cuge was very good. Seven for 101, the big play, if you watch the very end of the game. Stopped on a dime, passed his defender. Did you watch Hassan Haskin's on that play by chance? No. If you go back and watch that play, well, he was past blocking, and then he stayed with the play and started sprinting. The whole field ends up out in front of Vlad McConkey or just behind him to cut off the guy. It was just an impressive play and effort for them.

With that, we're going to have to have a Keenan Allen conversation.

Yeah, Keenan was- That's three weeks in a row. It was real bad.

Did he do the old man thing?

Maybe. Where? Maybe.

You get off really to a hot start because you're a great football player, and then you run out of steam?

It's not too much different in terms of total... Well, I mean, two bad yardage games in there, but he caught a shutdown in the first three weeks, and then he's been five for 37, five for 58, four for 27, damaging your starting roster.

There were a few sigh of relief players, two of them in particular, maybe three. Brian Thomas Jr, eight for 90 in a touch, and had one- There it was. Had one taken off the board. I've been telling people, Please just trade for him. He's too good. So this was nice. The other one, Jamieson Williams. Yeah. 6 for 66 in a countdown. It was nice to see that happen. Oh, Mark of the Beast. Thank you, Jason. You're welcome. Also, Metcalf, 4 for 95 in another countdown.

He's been- And should have had a bomb.

I didn't see that play.

Oh, dude. He torches this guy, two of them. He's behind the defense. Bad pass? I mean, five, six, seven yards under thrown. And it was to him. It was like, Roger saw it.

He only He got four passes on nine targets. You love the nine targets. He scored in four straight. He's been top 10 two straight weeks.

Yeah. It's working. Maybe we're turning a corner. He gets the bangles. That's going to be a great start. I'm not going to start the week yet. Oh, where are you? Yeah, Dibs. But yeah, it was. I mean, Roger's two years ago hits that pass. No problem. It felt real bad.

It was a weird week. It was cool that Ted McDonald scored, but he only caught three passes for 29 yards in a game that they won with 30 points- Rico.

Yeah, I mean-We don't need to throw.

Yeah, you're right. So five targets, three for 29 and two. It was inevitable, right? And then Dallas got it. It was the number one tight-end, Trey McBride, Tyler Warren, Sam Laporta, Michael This felt like a better week for tight ends because the top of this list are the guys that you want, that you expect.

Like Tyler Warren, Trey McBride, Laporta. Like, yeah, good. Let the good tight ends go do something and be great. I think Tyler Warren, it sticks out the most to me from this list. He has been really dominant. He's been more dominant than... Like right now, he's the tight in two on the season, I believe, behind Dallas Goddard, which we should talk about, even though I don't know what to do with them.

It's been long enough now for Goddard's involvement. I mean, you're not just talking about the occasional shutdown. You're talking about- Sort of because it's- 11 targets, 9 targets the past two weeks.

But 33 yards, 37 yards, 19 yards. A hundred and ten. What if I told you that- With shutdowns in all of those? I don't know.

How many weeks in here? Six weeks in? Yes. He has his career high in shutdowns.

No, he already did before this week. I mean, we mentioned that Last week, he had five, and that was the most he's ever scored. I don't understand why we can't be in on that if we were trying to hang on to, I don't know, Jowan Johnson and some of his other tight ends.

It's over for Jowan.

Two out of three weeks, you're number one. You need a tight in, man. We need tight ends. You say don't chase it, but he's scoring a lot of touch downs.

But to get back to Tyler Warren, Tyler Warren very well might finish this season as the number one target for this team. Ahead of Pitman, ahead of Downs. He had a 30% target share in this game.

The targets have tightened up the last couple of weeks. I saw a tweet about it where it's like Downs, Warren, and Pitman are all within one target or so of each other.

Yeah, Downs got involved early in this game. Pitman had a tough one. I think he was only like 2 for 20 in this game.

He should be in the duds.

Trey McBride into the end zone. Sam Laporta, another breakdown for him.

Oh, he hit the man.

That was a really great touch.

That was a man catch.

Back of the end zone. Harold Fandon was 7 for 81. Tucker Kraft saved the start of the week with a nice breakdown run. Jake Ferguson can't stop scoring after he's been his whole career not scoring. But just three for 33 in First game, a little bit disappointing.

Very surprising.

Travis Kelsi, 6 for 78. He's been serviceable, and there you go. We'll take a break, and we'll jump into the Duds. Well, we're done talking about the studs. It's time to talk through these guys.

Pooped in his big boy pants.

We did have an update. Todd Bowles, Bucaneers head coach, wanted to let us know ahead of time. The Bucky Irving and Chris Godwin are not in play for next Monday night's game.

So Mike Evans, maybe. Yeah.

I mean, by that rule of thought, Emeka Abuka, maybe. Who knows? He's getting imaging right now, but no Bucky, no Godwin, and we'll see if he has a starting wide receiver room of Taz Johnson and Sterling Sheppard and Kate Otton, right? Yeah, Kate Otton is going to be- You ended up starting him, right?

I did. I started Kate Otton. I was happy with that.

What did he end up with? Because we didn't talk about him in studs, but I saw him a few passes.

He was five for 51. That's very useful.

At the tight end position from what I've been getting, I think I had zero last week.

In true Kate Otton fashion, did you guys see the... Because I talk about how every time Kate Otton catches a ball, he gets a huge hit. Oh, he always takes a huge hit. Did you see him get body slam? Yeah.

Yeah, he got lifted over somebody's head.

Dude, every week.

Every week. That's legal, right? So you can't- You can't do the slam, but you can lift him?

No, you can't lift him, but he jumped.

He was the one who jumped.

He jumped, and then the guy, he was on his shoulder, so he raised up. Because at the time, I was like- It looked like a fine play.

You should be able to lift them if they're over 250. That should be the rule.

I think that's fair, right? Yeah, because it Well, one, it shows your own strength and skill. I mean, not everybody can do it. Two, they're big. They're going to be able to handle this fall.

Oh, but the bigger they are, the harder they fall.

That's what makes it awesome. That's what makes it an awesome play. If you were to take like, Devon Echan and suplex him, that feels wrong.

You can throw him, but you have to catch him.

Guys, K. D. 65, 247. Oh. Illegal play.

Because I said 250? Yeah.

Should be 225.

Do they weigh him without the pads? Yes. Then he's over 250.

Well, that's a good point.

You got to have at least three pounds of pads, right?

But I'm not. When you go to a fight, they're not like, Hey- This is the dumbest conversation. You're going to fight, you weigh in, try to be as low as possible. Yeah.

Justin Fields, 9 for 17.

He's so hard to watch.

I'm watching this game. I had traveled this weekend. I'm out in Los Angeles. I'm trying to eat a breakfast, and I'm having to watch this. Nauseating performance. I don't know how many times I exclaimed, I hate the Jets. It was a lot. Because I have Breese Hall. I want them to do well. I like seeing Garrett Wilson have success. I believe, statistically, this was the worst performance of any quarterback on the season outside of Jake Brown. Yeah, it was the second. It was one performance.

It was the second.

He took nine sacs. His average time to sac was almost four seconds. That is so long. It's ridiculous.

And he will be so back next week.

Against Carolina? It will. At home?

I've never had the courage to play him because this is the possibility all the time. It's not, Oh, man, he only got you 15. It's like, he put a blindfold on and then took a crap in the backfield.

In four-point scoring, it has been 29. 5, 4, 27. 1, 25. 9, 4. 9. There you go.

So do you want It's roulette.

Well, yes, but the horrible games, Buffalo and Denver. You put them up against Pitt when their defense was really reeling, then Miami- I'm sure he'll be fine against Carolina. He will be. I'm I'm not going to sit here and tell you that Justin Fields is... It's going to be awesome quarterback play. It should be awesome fantasy point.

This will be the end of him as a starter. Yes, he is. This will be the end of him as a starting quarterback.

He is one that you don't want to watch, though. You just don't. I really wish. I know it's insulting to him, and he would never accept it, but he should be a running back. He would be so good.

Well, he could go Tarroll prior. He became a wide receiver, and then he He's versatile. You are just such an amazing athlete.

You are just such an amazing athlete. When you get in the open field, no one could tackle him. He pulls away from people.

If they had Jacobi Berset as a quarterback, they'd be way better off.

Yeah, as a team, for sure. As a team. He's such a great athlete. I want to watch him do what he's great at. But the problem is he keeps trying to play quarterback.

Jordan Love, 19 for 26 in just one breakdown. I know that Papa Josh was deciding between Jordan Love and Drake May this week, and it was such a tough decision.

I would have Love, too.

You played Love, right? Yeah. And Drake May scored double the points.

I mean, Jordan Love and Matthew Stafford. Yeah, Stafford. Humongous disappointment.

Stafford was a huge letdown after being a pickup. And then Bo Nicks, man, you watched this game against the Jets. He's weird. He is weird. He makes plays that look like he's really great. And then he feels like he... I don't know. He almost gets overconfident.

And can't see the field.

How much do we... I feel like these London games, it's not a guarantee that they're going to be bad, but so often we are seeing bad football.

Anecdotally, it feels like they're all bad.

Yeah. It's like, should we be a little bit more concerned going forward of just the chance that these teams are playing bad football?

Well, we'll get another one next week. Who is it? Ram's. Then we get another one after that.

Oh, my gosh.

Do we get another one after that?

Oh, Ram's Jaguars next week. Yeah.

We're going to get them forever, Jason. Bo Nicks, though, really on the fringe of the start category at this point. He's He's really been disappointing. When you looked at the late round shot on him versus a Drake May, his best two weeks, he was the quarterback 12 in week 2, quarterback 3 in week 4. But other than that, he's been outside or 15 or later with some real duds in this season where, I don't know. He should be able to perform against a good opponent, a good matchup, you'd think, but he is a matchup play.

I would agree with that.

Saquon, 12 for 58. Judkins, 12 for 36. The Judkins responses were very strong. I don't really understand the offensive decision-making. What in the world are you doing?

I know you're down early. I know you're down early. Twelve carries? You had to keep throwing it in the second half. I'm all about throwing it. It's more efficient than running it. But you also look at your personnel, look at your team, and say, What can we do well? Because Judkins has been awesome, and Gabriel is not very good, and you're putting the ball in the wrong player's hands over and over. I kept thinking when I was watching the games, I was talking to Mike, I was like, Where's Judkins? Why aren't they using him?

His previous three weeks, 20, 25, and 25 opportunities. It's not like they were winning all those games. In this game, he got 13 total opportunities. He didn't catch a pass. To your point, Jay, okay, maybe it's more efficient.

Get him the ball in the screen game.

Do something. Very frustrating. Yeah.

I'm certainly not going away or worried.

No, but it's just this point.

It's the way it is. The Givante performance was really...

It was a bummer.

That was a pretty Big bummer because you talked about Carolina's defense. I mean, 13 for 29. He did catch five passes for five yards.

Hey, that's what he does.

Saquon Judkins, Givante. Gibbs had a a down performance. It started strong, but I don't know. A bunch of people were saying, is Jamier up the middle? Gibbs, what are they doing? Like, Brees Hall, he tried his darndest. I watched this game. 22 rushing attempts. You got to hold on to the fact that I think his running back opportunity share is like 93% the last two weeks. He should be okay. You talk about Carolina next week, and then no targets in the game. Not one. Checkdown in this game.

Fields.

It was awful.

It was trying to stop the sacks is what it was. Though checkdowns didn't happen because they were keeping Brees Hall in to try a chip, and that helped him only suffer nine sacks.

It helped him get sacked later in the play. He was allowed to hold the ball longer.

Jk Dobbins, 14 for 40. His first real dud of the year, first game under 11. There were a lot of running back duds. Travis Ian, 12 for 27.

It was the week. It was not just injuries. It was also a lot of low scores.

There were lots of Ken Walker commentaries because it's been three bad weeks now, and it just keeps getting worse.

What is What are you?

Ken Walker, sometimes you look like the best player in football, and other times, you don't even matter.

Yeah, and Charbonne as well.

You played 35% of snaps. You realize this?

Yes. The snaps were way down after two weeks, even though the fantasy performance the last couple of weeks, not there. What are you? But 19 for 81. That should be good. 10 for 86. That should be good.

You're talking about the past two weeks?

Yeah, for Walker. I know it didn't turn into huge fantasy points, but this week was bizarre.

And the Seahawks have to be saying, What are you? Because they don't know what they're doing as far as with these two backs.

You had 60% of snaps for Charbonne.

Charbonne played 60% of the snaps.

I think they had a three Charbonnay runs in a row at the goal line. Just stuffed every time.

They were moving the offense great, throwing the ball awesome, get down the field, get near the goal line, and then they're like, Let's screw this. Let's give the ball to Charbonnay three times and then kick a field goal. He's 2. 6 yards per carry on the season, and they still are just like, That's fine. They give him the ball 12 times for 24 yards.

Yeah, they could not run on Jacksonville.

Yeah, which Jacksonville does have a really good-Was that 22 for 58?

Yep. Okay. Speaking of not running, couldn't it look more pathetic? Honestly, just a perfect... There were some little nuggets of extra pain during the weekend, the Ibuca injury on top of the Harrison injury. And then Ramondre Stevenson, I am the Wheel of Shame on Friday. I've broken the ice. I'm finally going to spin it. I deserve every bit of that Wheel of shame because I expected Ramondre to get 43 rushing yards. They didn't beat the New Orleans Saints, did they? They did. Oh, easily. Oh, they beat him easily. Okay, 13 for 18. Now, I mean, Travian Anderson, 9 for 27. Travian is never going to happen. That's how it feels.

Yeah, I wouldn't give up, but it feels like it. But holy moly.

I mean, you realize the snap count? Remember, the whole argument for me saying trade for Ramondre Stevenson is that I think he's going to get a ton more work. Do you know what a snap count was?

Looking at 72 %.

72 % in this game.

That is a wonderful number for a running back. A running back, you want 60 % is good. They're going to have a great fantasy game if they're up at 60%. 70% is you're like a bell cow.

And Trevian was 50% last week, so it's going down for Trevian. Did you see my controller stuck moment for Trevian Henderson? Yes. Oh, my God.

What in the world?

He was in this pass protection.

I missed it.

And he's in the pass protection stance, and he's real serious about it.

Yeah. Three-point stance. Three-point stance, hands out in front of you, doing the little shuffle feet.

And Drake May is running. He's He's running out of the pocket to the right, and Chavian is just stuck in the position and not moving.

He is there ready to block no one. Yeah, go watch that. There's no one in front of him, and he is ready to block him, though. If there was If there was someone there, he would have blocked the crap out of him.

My controller's unplugged is the moment.

He's looking at... There's a guy on the outside, and he's not sure if May is going to run or throw. So I can see what he's doing.

He did look like- But it is very funny. I know what he's doing, but it just looks so stupid.

It looked like maybe he got reamed for some pass protection problems.

Honestly, I think that- And so he kept zoned in. I think it's a part of the problem for Henderson is this is how people use players, and it's like the We can go to the Detroit, how they are uplifting their players. There was even an interview with Guns Mahony, and he was like, We don't accept guys who take plays off. And then there was a follow-up. He was like, Okay, well, what do you do? He's like, Well, when we see it, we correct it. We build them back up. We get them out there. And it's like, I think that Henderson is just getting crapped on by his coaching staff, and he is not really sure how to handle it. So now he's overthinking everything.

He's up in his head. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think that that's a big part of it.

He is still clearly the more efficient runner. I mean, if they could get him going- He's doing more with less. He's just not allowed to get more, is what it feels like right now.

It's That's so brutal.

Tony Pollard, Ezea Pacheco, Kareem Hunt, and then Hassan Haskins, who people spent some money on and took a shot, were other disappointing performances. At wide receiver. Eew. Yeah. Corland Sutton, one for 17.

Yeah, it's shocking stuff. Bo Nicks has a bad day, and Corland Sutton has a bad day. Maybe throw him the ball more.

Michael Pitman Jr, 2 for 20. Devante Adams is 4 for 39. Was wide open on multiple touch downs that Stafford just missed him on. It would have changed the whole day for both of those Stafford had the down week. You talked about Keenan and the conversation around Keenan Allen, 4 for 27. And Jacobi Myers continues to be worthless. Romeo Dobbs, back down to 5 for...

5 for 55 is...

For Dobbs. That's normal for Dubs.

Yeah, that's not... I don't like that. I'm just saying it's...

I'm just saying it's... Yeah, you just couldn't chase three touchstones, obviously. But any players you want to talk about there?

No.

Are we done with Juan Johnson?

Yeah, we are. Yeah, it seems so.

The other guys are back. Oh, we got Taysam. Taysam Johnson. We got Taysam again. Oh, that's right. Oh, he's back.

Right at the goal line.

He's back, everyone.

And it worked.

Yeah, but for fantasy, it did not work for fantasy. Oh, man, we're back.

Mason Taylor just had one target. This game was... There were no wide receivers.

He had two yards. So two yards is a pretty good market share of Justin field's passing.

He was not allowed to bring his Miam mix into the country.

Was that? It was a-Yeah.

So little kitty cat was hungry.

How many... Garrett Wilson, we didn't talk about him. Did we on the wide receiver? What was his total line?

Very bad.

Was Josh Reynolds the leading receiver in that game?

Let's see, Garrett was eight targets, three for 13.

Okay. Hunter Henry, three for 27. Mark Andrews, four for 24. Isiah Likely has done nothing because the Baltimore Ravens-Yeah, I don't even put-Are they one and five?

Yes, They are one and five. Likely, to me, is going to be someone that we need to remember to pick up next week coming out of the buy because we really haven't seen him and Lamar together this year. Coming into the season, I think there was high hopes, maybe even expectations for likely, and the season is basically starting over for the Ravens in two weeks.

That game was interesting. I didn't want to play Derek Henry. Derek Henry had a very good day. He was He got 24 for 122. And the Ravens, the game was very tight for a long time. And then eventually, the dam opens up and the Rams are scoring more points. And so then that turns into, well, we have to have Cooper Rush, and then eventually, Cooper Rush is benched for Hunt. But it was nice to see Derrick Henry finally get something going again. We get the bye week, we get Lamar back, we get Chicago, we get Miami, we get Minnesota. So it should be brighter days ahead for Derrick Henry.

I don't know for certain that this is correct, but it looks to me like there have been two teams in the last twelve years that have made the playoff starting one and five. 2015, Kansas City Chiefs, 110 straight after starting one and five. I remember that. The Colts were one and five in 2018 and made the playoffs. It's very rare, obviously. Hard to do. You're talking a one or 2% chance, probably.

How many division games do they have left?

Oh, by the way, the Steelers have been... They've won the last two weeks. The entire division has lost two consecutive weeks. The whole division, 0-3.

That's what I mean. They might be able to make up some ground.

Well, you can beat the Browns.

Yep.

You can beat the bangles.

Yeah. Just can they get healthy enough to beat the Steelers?

Yeah. Is this the buy week coming up for them? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, you got your shot. You better go on a run. Problem is that defense has been so beat up, I don't know if they can do it. That was Studs & Duds presented by Loz. Loz knows Sundays are for NFL football. Learn your Sunday with Loes, official partner of the NFL. We'll be back tomorrow with a WaverWire episode, and you're going to need it.

It should be a really interesting one.

Yeah, there's a lot of question marks. Hopefully more information around some of these injuries and how long they're going to be out. We'll be back tomorrow, WaverWire, and a lot more. Take care.

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