Transcript of Trade Targets + TNF Preview, Backup Options - Fantasy Football Podcast for 9/24

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Wednesday, September 24th.

Mike, the fantasy hitman, is here Jason Moore. He made it. And Andy Holloway, that's my name. We're back. That's the first. I introduced myself like I was. I'll allow myself to introduce. You were bebopping, Jay.

The music was soaring through me today. So thank you, Mike.

You are most welcome. Gloria Estefan.

Oh, don't get those horns going in my head.

The rhythm got you.

Look, I can take some compliments, but... Can't be grouped. You can't be lumping me in with that. That is-Legend. Yes. Thank you, Jason.

You should dress up as... Come on. You should dress up as her for Halloween. Because I did one of the pop items one of the years. You did. You could do like an '80s.

I'm going to consider it. Health of Shape. Does she have a beard?

Yeah, no, she does not have a beard.

Also, the amount of people listening to our show who are up to date and current with Taylor Swift versus Gloria Estefan. Gloria Estefan. There's not much of a crossover.

They do that, Congo.

I believe it's the Congo. But the Congo, you did. That is a-It's a different place.

More of a jungle. All right, we've We got a trade episode today. Thursday Night Preview, NFL News, backup options, and some mailback. That's a lot.

It's jam-packed.

It's jam-packed. We also have a current leader in the Megalable, Sweet Pickens. Sweet Pickens is in the lead with 472 points right now.

472 points.

Sweet Pickens. I hope you got George Pickens on your roster. It seems likely. With a name like that. I mean, George Pickens, the opportunity It's a great opportunity for him to secure the bag.

Oh, it's gone up.

It is in front of him. I didn't think about that. If he has three to four weeks of, Okay, can you be the number one guy? If he goes out and balls out, he will earn himself so much money.

That's a really good point. We got to watch it all on Sunday Night Football.

Oh, are they? Yeah. Nice.

Wow. Sorry, I was curious.

What are you reacting to?

Mr. Walkin.

What are you reacting to? Wow.

Speaking of golf, you're talking about 470 points for the Megalibole leader right now? Yes. I'm crushing in Megalibole in my league. I'm 6-0. I've got more points than everybody. I'm just below 400 points. I was like, What place does that put me in? I am in 1,020th place.

Tough. It's tough in the Megalibole streets, man.

I'm not in the top 1,000? No. That's crazy.

No, but you're undefeated. Yes. So far, so good. There's a long way to go. So, reminder, you can follow us on X at the FF Ballers. Watch the show, youtube. Com/thefantasyfootballers. It's a good chance to get over there. Click subscribe, click that bell, be notified when we're live over on YouTube as well. And if you have a moment, we always appreciate your reviews over on Spotify or Apple, wherever you're listening. If you have a minute and you want to help the podcast, drop us a five-star review, and we would appreciate it. Time to jump in.

Backup Options, presented by Progressive Insurance.

All right, we have another edition of Backup Options. We just had all of the WaverWire. All the WaverWire players were just picked up in all of our leads this morning, right before we started the show. We always remind you, after WaverWires go through, we like to say, drop it like it's hot. Take a look your Wavers and who was let go. And maybe you can pick up a steal of somebody that got frustrated and shouldn't have dropped somebody. So most dropped players right now on Sleeper over the last 24 hours, Russell Wilson, I don't care. Jake Browning, don't care that much. Dak. I think he is. Dak is somebody you could stash if you needed to.

I think so, yeah.

The next four weeks, Green Bay.

Tough matchup, but without Seedy, you're not going to play him anyways. Yeah.

In New York.

Jets, Carolina, Washington, the next three. There is a chance. I'm not currently up to date what the by-week situation is for over those, not this week, but the next three. But you will need quarterback options, and I would stash Dack. If he were on our wavers, I would have stashed him immediately.

Top six drops right now at running back. You tell me if you want him on your team. Dylan Samson? No. Najee?

Not possible. Why did I read that name? I'm not sure. I don't know. I wouldn't pick him up.

Ramondre?

Yes, definitely.

I would pick him up.

Without a doubt.

I would pick him up with so many doubts.

Tank Bigsby? Yeah, you don't need him. Kyle Monongai?

I'd stashed Monongai.

Then Jaden Blue? Probably. No. Probably doesn't matter.

He's too far removed. Not at all. I mean, if Givante went down, then you might pick up Jaden Blue, but the starter would be Miles Sanders.

Romeo Dobbs, who could bounce back this week.

I would not drop Dobbs.

People did. They already did. Troy Franklin and Marvin Mims after a disappointing week. I'd rather have Franklin.

Yeah, I'd get Franklin immediately.

Jaden Higgins. That's fine. There's not really a path. There just isn't. I mean, now you got Christian Kirek.

Yeah, he came in way ahead of him.

They're horrible offense. Higgins had his chance to try and steal that starting job, but he did not take it.

Yeah, they cannot pass the football.

No.

C. J. Stroud is a whole discussion.

He is. I shared it in our Slack, the Anthony Richardson v. C. J. Stroud numbers over the past 15 games or whatever it was.

I don't remember what that one was. Oh, this is good, Mike.

You got to bring it up. Let me... Okay, I got it. Okay.

Richardson probably hasn't played 15.

In 15 career starts for Anthony Richardson.

Oh, okay.

So he did play 15. This was a tweet from John Davis from Colts Report. Anthony Richardson in 15 career starts. Now, it's, of course, very dumbed down, but 8 and 7 record, so winning record, 21 total touch downs, 13 interceptions. C. J. Stroud in his last 15 starts, 6: 09, 15 total touch downs, 12 interceptions.

He's actually not playing good football.

No, he is not.

We've done all of the blaming of other things so far, like the offensive line, the fact that Tank Dell and Stefan Diggs went out. He's got weapons now.

So I I went back yesterday and I watched every passing snap from Stroud, I should say, because I wanted to know for Dynasty on the Dynasty podcast, how did he look? Because he's been terrible. He's been objectively bad, and I feel like he doesn't have weapons. He had Nico out there who had a drop or two, had a bomb, touched down. Stroud, to me, looked like he is still good, but he doesn't run the ball. His offensive line is many pieces away from being deep. They are tremendously bad. And outside of Nico, there just felt like there was no running game, no running back to dump the ball off, too.

How fast did Dalton Schultz look?

Dalton Schultz was like a locomotive getting started. Started rolling and then caught the ball and then his tackle.

Tires confirmed.

They're not using motion. They're not using play action.

They don't have a running game.

You could still play action. It still works.

But it would help If Joe Mixon was there, this would be a better offense by a lot. Travis Hunter, frequently dropped. Maybe he's somebody you could pick up and stash.

Yeah, I think I said yesterday that he is so close to being dropped, but I wouldn't drop him just yet.

I think the fact he had six or more targets the first two weeks, you could hold him and wait and see. Evan Ingram, Harold Fanon. Harold Fanon is- I'm not dropping Fanon. They played Green Bay, and he had a big play called back on a penalty. So there you go. Let's look at some other backup options that we think are beyond what got picked up on waivers that might be worth a stash.

All right, I will jump in because mine is for... We got our friends and our listeners who are running in deep league. So this is a deep league pickup, but it's something that I think should be paid attention to. The Kansas City Chiefs runningbacks have been bad, objectively bad. And will that improve? That is TBD. But in the meantime, if you're in a deep league, Brashard Smith is a name you need to pay attention to. Bless you, Jason. Thank you. You okay over there?

I was muted, but it was a big one.

I'm not muted. But Brashard Smith, he's a seventh-round pick, so the odds are already low. But you know the situation with Pacheco. He's running the wrong direction on plays, causing fumbles. Kareem Hunt is so past his prime. I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me if at some point, they just say, We got to try somebody else.

I actually completely agree with this because they-Oh, got you with the deep stash.

Nice.

Well, I was thinking about it during the game when I saw Brashad Smith out there briefly. I was like, Well-He has juice. I was like, This team is not... They're not going to be patient with a completely unproductive running game. There's a reason Pacheco ever got snaps. There's a reason that we've seen different lower-tier runningbacks get opportunities. Jerrick McKinnon had a resurgence of career in Kansas City. Taekwan Thornton is another example. Whether it's Prashard Smith or literally another back off of the waiver wire, they're going to run out of patience if they keep losing ball games and cannot have a productive running game in any capacity.

We've seen... Clyt Edwards-Alaire had first-round draft pedigree, and he got, I think, two years or so because of that draft capital. Then they were like, Hey, Pacheco, you have juice. Show us what you can do.

Just going back the sneeze. Jason muted your mic.

I muted my microphone.

But it was a very volume-ish sneeze. It was pretty loud. We're flanking you on both sides. And so apparently, we got a really good stereo mix of the sneeze. Is that right?

Must sound really good in a car.

And so Al's like, Oh, gosh, why are you talking about this? Because I was going to totally get that sneeze wiped out of the recording. It's there to stay. Who doesn't want a stereo sneeze?

I want people in their cars to feel like it hit him in the face.

It felt like Mike- It was in my brain. That was a pretty quick draw, bless you, too. You're like, I got to stop this sneeze with the bless you.

I feel like now you should just unmute my mic. Let it go through.

Oh, yeah, that's on the- You can do that in post. Oh, man. Aarande Gadsen.

Yeah.

Who is the second? The second. He is the second. His dad was a tight in.

We're bringing you some nasty boys today.

This is a tight in for the Chargers.

His dad played in six NFL seasons, primarily for the Dolphins.

Yeah, he had a nice one-handed catch. Did you see that one?

Yes. Do you know who his dad is?

Who Aarande Gadsen's dad's dad is?

Also known as his grandfather, pioneering Texas sausage maker, Orange Holloway.

Okay. Now you know. Okay. So you've dug that out.

I thought we were going to get three layers of football- This is a sausage maker. Orange.

So they went from- It goes by Orange. Orange. They went from Hollowway to Gadsen?

That's right. They're like, Holloway is so bad. They're like, That's the name sucks. They're like, We've got to go to Gadson.

Holloway is associated with the sausage making. Yeah. Okay. Thank you for that fact. You're welcome. We go deep. Please return to sneezing now. But he was a fifth-round pick. He had a nice debut in place of Will Disley for the Chargers. If Dizly was to miss more time, seven targets, five for 46, athletic. We've actually only had three tight ends in the last 15, 20 years that are day three tight ends that have caught five or more passes in the first game. He's got the pedigree. So pay attention. We're giving you the deep stashes in this backup option.

And mine is not that deep of a stash, but it's someone who was cut in a lot of weeks. I personally had him, played him two weeks ago, Zackert, cut him this last week for marking Andrews because I needed those points.

You are the Mark Andrews whisperer.

Yeah. And it was going to be Marcus Mariota. And now you need to pick Zackerts back up. He's a very good play. He was the tight in two before this last week. If If he's got his starting quarterback, you're probably without Terry McLorn, almost certainly right now. Sure. This is a very used, necessary weapon that has been good, is looked at the goal line, and he's on the majority of waiver. So Zack Hertz, if you are tight and needy, I think a very good pickup. And honestly, without McLaurin, now I'm willing to play him with Mariota. But if Jaden Daniels comes back, it's even better.

All right. We gave you three names, and that was backup option, Sponsored by Progressive Insurance. Quote today at progressive. Com. Time to talk news.

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Very, very petite news section today.

Yeah, we don't have a lot, but we do have some important news, wide receiver news. I mean, let's start with Terry McLaurin. Doesn't sound great. Seeking additional opinions. I can tell you this in my life, when I get the opinion from someone that I want, that's where I stop.

That's what I was going to ask.

I stop there. I do not seek additional opinions.

If I walk in the room- Has anyone ever gone to a doctor, got great news, and then been like, I need I need more.

No, the second opinion is never like, maybe it's worse. Jason, I walk in the room, I go, Do I look nice? You go, Yeah, I'm not looking for other opinions. You tell me, I don't look that good. I'm going to find some other people. Tara McLaren getting additional on his injured quad. The concern that I'm seeing is that they're not 100% sure it's quad versus core muscle.

I did see that, which was really weird to me.

I saw that and it's like, Oh, this could be a core muscle. But isn't your core above your hips?

How can you confuse that with a quad? I always thought your core went... Your core is just under the nips, and then it goes down to a little mid-thigh.

It's your core. It must. Nips to hips? Because if You can't- A little bit below the hips.

That's what I'm seeing. All right.

Okay. Well, below the hips makes sense then.

Anyways, not a doctor. He's getting additional opinions on the quad. He could miss this week.

Terry, give me a call. I'll give him an opinion.

I don't think his real issue is where his core is. I think he just wants to know what the injury is. But you never know. Chiefs are optimistic Xavier worthy will be able to play a limited role in the offense while wearing a small harness. It's just not the best sentence for confidence for fantasy.

No, it's not. No, we had talked about when worthy comes back, he's so needed right now. You just watch these chiefs and see Patrick Mahomes running because he doesn't have someone to throw the ball to, and you want to plug worthy right in. This is actually a really good report because it's going to stop people from doing that. It's going to stop people from the first week he's back, throwing him in a lineup, thinking maybe you can get something deep, maybe you can get a bunch of little dink-a-duck screens and PPR leads. He's not going to get enough work his first game back if it's soon.

This is now something we say, so that tells you where we're at with Atlanta. Falcon's head coach, Raheem Morris, said, Michael Pendex will start week 4.

Oh, goodness gracious.

You got to answer that question with, I'm not answering that question. We have a quarterback.

He said, Kirk lost his job last year. We're not even close to that with Mike. He had a bad game. So there you go. I mean, he did have a bad game. I'm getting to now. No, no, no.

It's upsetting by the media.

Yeah, it is a little bit. Ask better questions. Yeah, it's not. I mean, it's the inevitable question every time. This is what not trading Kirk. This is why I thought Kirk was 100% traded.

Yes, because you had to get rid of this.

It's because I didn't want this to happen to them in week four. Is you can't have the player sitting back behind.

Yeah, but then they overvalued Kirk Cousins.

Yeah, that was news and note sponsored by Progressive Insurance. Quote today at progressive. Com, Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and third-party insurers not available in all states or situations, covered, subject, policy, terms, limits, and conditions. I told you we had a Trade episode. Let's do it.

Let's talk Trade.

Three Trade Four players, three trade away players. That is what we're going to cover today before we get into the Thursday night preview. Do you have a preference? Do we want to talk about trade aways before we talk about the Trade Four?

Sounds like you do.

I don't know.

It sounded like it.

It sounded that way?

So let's do that.

Okay. Who do you want to trade away right now? Who do you think the best trade away candidate is? Because I got a name that I don't know if either of you guys will agree with.

Then you start.

I do not agree with yours, so why don't you start?

Jivante Williams.

Okay.

Jivante Williams is my number one trade away candidate. And Unfortunately, there's always a direct correlation between trade away and I think you're bad at football. I'm not trying to make that case. I think Jivante has surpassed expectations. I think he has looked good. S One fumble/handing the ball off to Chicago. I mean, he has looked really good. Now, he has scored three touchdance. Do you believe in the Dallas offensive line?

No.

Do you believe that they have the same threat in the passing in without CeeD Lane? No. Do Do you believe he's going to score 18 touchdance?

No.

Okay.

Those are the three- Do you believe you can trade him like someone believes that he's going to score 18 touch downs?

I think because we're at that point now where the inclinations and the first impressions have given way to more established opinions. I think that that's the reason this segment is showing up on heading into week 4. I think Javante Williams has gotten a ton of deserved praise. But I think this is a turning point for the Dallas offense and the Dallas situation. They have a very difficult schedule throughout. They have Green Bay coming up. I don't think Green Bay is going to be a great game for Javante Williams. They just had more offensive line injuries. It always comes down to what you can get for them. But the running back position has been very, very scarce, very difficult to find any production. If you were a team that drafted R. J. Harvey or Trevian Henderson, Ashton Genti, who we'll talk about, You are hurting. Givante has represented tremendous production, and he's highly ranked. To me, this is your moment. If you're going to get a maximum value out of Javante, this would be the time.

I think you are right that you're going to get your max for him right now. That part I agree with. And honestly, for your play style, Andy, you're a mile a minute trader in the league that you play in. This is perfect. This is day trading. This is like, you recognize that these next couple of weeks, playing against the packers with two injured linemen and no CD lamb. It's not going to be a good game. Here's the next four.

Green Bay is the number one team against the running back position. Then it's the Jets who are 12th. Carolina is sixth. Washington is eighth.

Carolina is not a good run defense. Maybe the first couple of weeks, they looked good.

This exact same thing happened with them. We've seen this with teams that are not great defenses. I mean, it's not like Béjan blew up on them last week. Right now, they're giving up the sixth least fantasy That's all I'm saying.

My pause to move Juvante away is that it is not just an overwhelming efficiency on the ground. He is so important to the offense right now and the targets of week 2, seven targets, week 3, five targets. Those types of numbers for someone who is also getting the bulk of the carries, it can be pretty difficult to find. I agree with the sentiment that you'll see a dip in value of Javante after this upcoming week, because it's probably going to be pretty tough. But at the same time, because CeeDee Lamb is not going to play, is Javante going to see another seven targets in that matchup, and he might just half or full point PPR his way into being an okay type of performance.

Yeah, I like the target totals. I don't like the yardage on the targets. That's got to really high for It feels more like a Chuba situation in the passing game. Five for 16 last week.

Maybe. What's so difficult with Javante is, coming out of college, that was something he could do. That was a part of his profile. Chuba is just... That's never been part of his game as a running back. Javante was a fully well-rounded running back who just had his entire career derailed by a knee injury that he couldn't seem to bounce back from. And through three weeks, it looks like he has bounced back, finally.

We saw last year. Last year, Javante had a ton of work in the past game. 70 targets ended up with 346 yards. I think he will get a lot of PPR value, but not So right now, he has the fifth most targets at the running back position.

That's a tough one.

Chuba has a higher yards per catch career-wise than Givante does. That's all I'm saying. Oh, yeah. I'm saying he's going to get the targets, but it's not necessarily going to be the big plays. And so I do think it's the opportune time to trade him because, like I said, I don't think that their offensive line that is getting weaker is good. I think he's not scoring 18 times. And I think that this Dallas offense is really going to struggle for a long period of time.

I think just a quick reminder for everyone, trade away does not mean fire, sell these players. Correct.

No, this is an opportunity to see who will give you maximum value. Right. All right, we'll take a break and come back with your two trade away candidates. And I'm really sad about Mike's. All right, two more trade away candidates, then we'll get into our trade four names. But I teased it before the break, Mike. I don't like it. Sure. I probably agree with it, but more like secretively. I don't want to publicly agree.

I got you. We'll start it with this. He's still Bill is extremely exciting. J'cory Crosky-Merritt, AKA Bill Crosky. Oh, no, Jamie. Bill Crosky. You don't got one for me today?

Oh, I didn't know we were telling jokes here on this show.

You didn't know I was talking about Bill Crosky?

You were supposed to have one. You didn't know we were telling jokes on this show?

You're supposed to have Bill Crosky could get a Big Mac for Burger King.

Okay, thank you. Thank you. I think that his name still carries some value, some trade value. Of all the guys out of Washington, he is the one that I would want. So again, this is not a fire cell of Bill Crosky, but there are some things that I don't like. Zero snaps on third down. He's probably not going to be anything when it comes to the receiving game.

Yeah. How many catches does What do you have on the year? Do you know?

Is it zero? It's probably zero. It's one.

Oh, it's one? It's one catch for five yards. That sucks.

When he's getting opportunities, he's looking good. But it's strange, right? Of Chris Rodriguez from a healthy scratch for multiple weeks to two of the first drives. Perhaps it was a make good with Rodriguez. That's to be determined. The biggest thing for Bill that I'm concerned about is while he has to play his way into being the main guy. His schedule is rough. Atlanta, right now, I know last week was a disaster, but they're good against... They've been good against runningbacks. The Chargers, Chicago, Chicago. You do have two plus matchups, at least based off of how defenses are playing right now. You have Dallas in four weeks. And then Kansas City. I don't know if they'll be able to... I think Kansas City will turn it around. But then after that, it shuts down even more. So while we're only three weeks in and you don't want to make concrete decisions about schedule and who defenses are at this point, got to start making some decisions about how things are trending. And for the trend of the Washington runningbacks being a three-person timeshare with the schedule, I think I would try to get out if I could.

Do you think what would turn it for him would be a couple of big runs? Do you think if he had a 65-year-old shutdown run or a big play, that he would start to force their hand a little bit in the running game?

I would think so, but that also happened in week one. You had the very nice shutdown that he had. And then as they were closing out the game, he was the one who broke off a huge carry that essentially ended the game. And then he was rewarded the next week against Green Bay with four carries.

Their schedule is pretty brutal.

That's what I mean.

Four out of five games on the road coming up.

And it's like after... So after Kansas City, Seattle, Detroit, then after the buy week, Denver, Minnesota, a game against Philadelphia right in the middle of your fantasy playoffs. He's a player that you don't have to trade. But if someone is interested in thinking that Bill is going to take over and be the main guy for Washington, I might try and get out because the passing work freaks me out, and we still don't know if he will definitely be the goal line guy over Chris Rodriguez.

Jason, you said, Thank you for your service. 6 for 109 and a touch down.

Yeah, I got a sweet trade offer for this guy in League of Records immediately.

I have been trying to unload my trade away player, AJ Brown, who is-You're trying to capitalize on the big week? Yeah, he's awesome. He obviously hasn't lost anything as a player. You saw that this last week. Breaking tackle, stepping over guys, Mossing guys, 100 yards, a breakdown.

I can't tell if we're getting pitched right now.

No, I mean, this is the pitch. I'm not trying to trade him away for pennies on the dollar. I'm trying to trade him away off of- Drake London?

Would you rather have Drake London? Yeah. Because that situation sucks, too.

Drake London situation sucks. I think you should be able to get Drake London plus something with how bad he's played. He has not had the career, he's not on the offense. Aj Brown is on. He's not coming off of a good performance. In most league, I would think it would be Drake London plus something. That's the type of deal that I would be looking to make. Obviously, there's a lot of context in every league as to, is Is this a keeper league? Is this more nuanced? But A. J. Brown scares me from a Philadelphia Eagles's perspective. Their defense and their running game is so doggone good that they don't always need them. We saw that the first couple of weeks. I think you're going to have a lot of disappearing acts. This is where I'm just saying, because he just had a monster game, a lot of people saw him looking like himself. He's obviously A. J. Brown. He carries a humongous name. You feel good with him on your roster. If you can trade him for someone that is more up and coming- Would you trade him for Keenan Allen? I would not trade him for Keenan Allen.

I think that Keenan Allen, what you've seen from Lad McConkey has been very disappointing. I think that'll pin-pull back and forth between Keenan Allen and Lad McConkey.

Do you trade him for Marvin Harrison?

I mean, so these are the type of players where I'm looking to trade. If If I'm going down, if I'm going to another disappointing player, I'm looking to get them plus something, Marv plus something. Abuka? Yeah.

Would you trade him for Abuka straight up?

Straight up for Abuka. I think I would.

You're getting finished right now.

What's that? You are definitely getting a trade offer in your- No, I'd rather have Abuka.

Oh, okay.

I think I would trade him- With the injury to Evans, I wouldn't do it. I think I would trade him for Abuka straight up.

You can send it and I'll decline it.

Yeah, there you go. I also think that- I dare you to send it. He's a great name.

Then I take it, and then I take the offer.

Oh, that'd be the- That's- That would be the most amazing.

I'll go show you how fast I declined this offer. Except. Got you, sucker.

That's how I trade.

But he's also someone that coming off of a big game with a big name, you can trade him plus something to maybe elevate, to maybe go up a notch.

Oh, yeah. You throw A. J. Brown plus somebody that... Maybe a younger player, A. J. Brown plus Keion Coleman, A. J.

Brown plus Zé flowers. Try to go to someone that is looking like, Hey, he's going to be a stud this year. And it's okay because I'm giving you a stud in A. J. Brown. A. J. Brown is going to have tons of great games, just like he did this week. I am not calling A. J. Brown a bust on the season, but I think it will be a very-If you offer me- His consistency score is not going to be great.

No, because they'll be disappearing actually. If you offer me Jonathan Taylor and A. J. Brown for a bouca, I'll still turn it down. I promise. All right.

I'll make the offer.

If I don't want to send that through. All right, let's talk about some trade four candidates. How about that?

Sure.

Oh, my gosh. For a moment there, I genuinely thought, Mike, you had put Javante Williams in as your name, and I was like, We really got to get talking about what we're doing on the show here Give me a second.

No, I can start because the generous trade offer that I received from Jason was for my player.

Which is a trade four player. Which is a trade four player. So he was trying to do what- Also my second round pick. Okay.

Yeah, I was looking for Garrett Wilson plus.

Yeah. My trade four. Sometimes you have to buy players high. That is part of the game. We all want to trade for players when they're the lowest in value and see them skyrocket. We all want to buy a penny stock. But sometimes you got to buy a big boy stock. I think that Garret Wilson is here to stay. He is currently the wide receiver nine on the season. In terms of... I mean, these are the...

So your trade four is Garrett Wilson.

My trade four is Garrett Wilson. Now, target share There, percentage of team receiving yards, percentage of first read targets. He is right there with Puka and JSN. Of course, his quarterback play is not the same as those guys. But if you don't have the quarterback play, you better have an amazing amount of opportunity. And then Kyle was digging in. And part of our concern with, say, Marb, we're not getting any layups. And that was part of Garrett Wilson's problem, too. From 2022 through '24, he was running a go route, which is very valuable if you catch the ball, but low percentage odds that you're going to come down with it. In the mid '20s through three weeks, he's only running a go route on 7% of his routes, which to me, when you pair that with the quarterback play, that is good management. That is, I need to make sure that my best player is around my quarterback and can get the ball, and then he can make something happen. So I'm varying on Garrett Wilson being good for fantasy football. Regardless of if it's Tyrod or Justin Fields, I think either of them will have the ability to get it done.

He'll have some down weeks like he did week two, absolutely. But the way that they are utilizing him, I think that it is more here to stay than it has been in the past for Garrett Wilson. And on top of that, his schedule is quite juicy. I warned about making concrete things about the schedule. But again, trends. Right now, where it stands, I think the Jets are the fourth or fifth easiest wide receiver schedule moving forward. And then his fantasy playoffs, as people like to talk about it, at Jacksonville, at New Orleans, and then against the New England Patriots. Those are three juicy matchups. González will probably be back for New England by then, but that is looking pretty good, along with the rest of his schedule, his utilization, his market share, everything about Garrett Wilson right now screams that he is going to be a top 12 wide receiver at the end of the year.

How do you feel about Justin Fields in the long term?

I like him. I think that it is worth going and getting him. That week two was terrible, and you had the concussion, but there will be huge, huge spike weeks, I still believe, for Justin Fields.

I meant to ask this during the AJ Brown conversation, but where are you guys now with the push three weeks into this I've shared it in, I think it was week two, that I want to defend it because when I look at it as, It's just a play we can't stop, then you sound like a coward.

But The amount that they are doing it and the amount that they are getting away with offside or false starts is like, you can't keep doing this, and you can't make the refs call a false start every single time you're doing the play. I think that's the part of their shtick is like, Okay, go ahead. Call it every single time. I dare you to try and do that. People will be so mad about the product that they just don't do it.

I can't wait to watch it this week, man.

It will be gone next week.

Do you see who Tampa Bay signed?

490 pounds.

Desmond Watson.

To the Practice Squad, right?

Yeah, baby.

They're going with the big goalie approach. You're like, In the NHL. Move this. Why haven't we tried just putting a sumo in the goal?

You have to have one giant dude on every roster to stop it. What are we doing? Nobody thinks this is fun to watch.

I agree. I tried to defend it, and then they just abused it.

My trade for candidate, it was a trade-four going into last week. It's a trade for going into this week. It's Ashton Genti of the Las Vegas Riders. I understand how frustrating it's been. He's the running back 33. Jason's two for two, two consecutive years in predicting which rookie was way overdrafted. It was Marvin Harrison last year. It was Ashton Genti this year. That's been the case. And do I think it will be smooth for Genti? No, not really. You talk to Raiders fans, Raiders reporters. I don't know if they can stop talking about how bad this offensive line has been. And then connecting it to the potential nepotism of Pete Carroll's son, who is the offensive line, and how he needs to go, and how this offensive line is the major problem for the team. All that being said, it is hard to find true Belcow every downbacks, and Ashton Jenty is one of them. He scored one time on the year. It has been tough slutting, but the player, Jason talked about it on Monday, I think. Ashton Jenty is very, very good. He is making the very, very most of a really difficult situation.

I think you're going to see some improvement from both the offensive line from his production, the shutdown numbers, and the getting into the flow of this offense. It takes time for rookies. There's nobody to threaten him. Raheem Mostard hasn't seen a snap. Zamir White, we've been there, done that. Lauby, come on. I don't like that. I think he's a perfect buy low right this moment because we got a really pedestrian week from him again. But the attempts and opportunities, I think you're going to see the targets go back up, at least four or five targets a week. It's been hard. It's been frustrating. But I'm actively looking to pick up Ashton Genti because I think that the schedule is going to lighten up a little bit, and they're going to I figured out how to utilize them better. You are smirking a lot. I am smirking.

I don't really know- Because you have found your Ken Walker.

Oh, gosh. Welcome in. Why is that my Ken Walker?

Oh, I get it totally.

Because it's the exact same argument argument that I've been making for Ken Walker.

Ken Walker's argument is all based on injury. If Ken Walker never got hurt, I would not be on the opposite side of Ken Walker.

The inefficiencies- I get that part, yes.

You're like, I'm telling you, it's the stupid offensive line. The talent should overrule at some point in time.

There's already plenty of carries of seeing Genti where you're like, That is a special player.

He's been hit at or behind the line of scrimage on 57% of his rushing attempts.

Is that or Walker?

Probably both. That's exactly the Walker story. Yes, it is.

Look, it is- Because offensive line matters so much.

I mean, you look around the league right now. A frustrating name.

I would trade Javan Jente for Ashton Jente.

You look at the teams that are- It might go through. Wait, who would you trade?

Javante.

Oh, sure. Yeah.

I think that that's what it might go through.

I think you might be able to 1-2 on that.

I doubt most people that spent what they spent on and Jenti.

That are 0 and 3. Go on.

No, I get it. I'm not saying don't offer it. I would offer that. I'm saying I think more often than not, it will get rejected.

But if you can get that to go through, great. Look, that's not the only name, but I think Jenti is a target. I I think this is the time. I think the sentiment, the fact that any rookie struggling at so much publicity now with fantasy football. We saw it with Hampton, we saw it with Henderson, we've seen it with Caleb Johnson. It's almost more exciting to dump on these when they're not performing. And Genti, to me, it's just a matter of getting this team in this offense, which is a new quarterback, dealing with the injuries to Bowers. I think they're going to figure it out.

I do. Yeah, Bruce just posted, Givante is at 51 total points, and Genti is at 23.

Yeah, if you're ever going to try it, you never would have dreamed of such things before the season began. And I don't mind throwing in something with Givante to make it go over the finish line. If you want to throw whatever. You got Travis Hunter on your team with Givante? Sure. Javante and Travis Hunter to try to get Jentey, some sexy production and name. I don't know.

That's my pick. No, it makes sense. My trade for candidate is someone who's been great. It's going to cost you a lot. It's just like what Mike was saying. Sometimes you got to pay up. This is not, Oh, he's been so bad. You're going to get him for pennies on the dollar. No. People love Josh Jacobs. He's been okay. He's the running back 19. He's just been okay, but he's still been... Two runningbacks have seen 40% of their team's total rush attempts and targets in all three games this It's Saquon and it's Jacobs. Four fantasy runningbacks have seen 20 plus opportunities in all three games this year. Cmc, Saquon, Jonathan Taylor, and Jacobs. The workload is there. The thing is, his schedule so far, he Just is coming off of a game where they shockingly lost against the unbelievable defense of the Cleveland Browns, who shut down Derrick Henry and really shut down Josh Jacobs. Sixteen attempts for 30 yards. That was not Jacob's fault. That was the Cleveland Browns' fault. They are awesome. They're about to go to Dallas, and Josh Jacobs is going to be unbelievable. I see Josh Jacobs, personally, as a top five running back.

I see him not as an R-B-1. I don't know how his situation can be any better than it is. He has a great offensive line, a great offense, a passing game that is struggling, but also a defense that is maybe the best in the league. This is the recipe we saw with Saquon last year. I think that my issue I have with packers wide receiver is just I don't know how much they're going to be needed. Sure. Josh Jacobs is awesome. He looks good, and he hasn't gone off this year yet. He's been- The big game. Yeah, he hasn't had a big game. He hasn't had a single game of... Yeah, he hasn't had a top 10 performance, hasn't scored 15 fantasy points on a week. Welcome to Dallas. And the rest of season, oh, packers have the easiest rest season schedule for runningbacks. Their upcoming schedule, Dallas, bangles, Cardinals, Steelers, Carolina.

Juicy.

Let me ask you. I've got some... Real quick, I've got some things in mind. If I had someone who has been going off and is a stud, a Jonathan Taylor.

I was just going to literally read you the names that are finished above Josh Jacobs on the year.

Exactly. Jonathan Taylor, James Cooke, Chr. Mccaffrey, B. Jean, Gibbs, those type of guys. I would be willing to go get Jonathan Taylor in another really good... I'm weak at wide receiver, let's say, and I've got Jonathan Taylor. Go see if the Josh Jacobs team can give Josh Jacobs in a really good wide receiver Because I think you... Well, I'm not... I think Jonathan Taylor might finish as the running back one.

He might be the RBC one.

But you're not going that far down when you go to Josh Jacobs. Alternatively, there are guys like Devon Achan who scored more than him and looked great. I would much rather have Jonathan Taylor.

Kyren?

Yeah.

You mean you'd rather have Josh Jacob?

I would rather have Josh Jacobs.

Derek Henry. Would you rather Derek Henry or Josh Jacob?

Straight up, I would rather have Josh Jacob.

I think that's a big question right there.

There are also guys below him where you pair people together and go get Josh Jacobs. But I think Josh Jacob's rest of season is a top five running back.

Okay. All right. No, it makes sense. We'll take a break. We'll come back. We'll talk some Thursday Night Football.

Thursday Night Breakdown.

When you have to talk about the Cardinals, is it better to just get it out of the way like this?

Yes. Rip the band off.

Rip it off.

Thursday Night Football, Seattle, 2: 1. Cardinals, 2: 1. Vegas Line, Seattle, on the road, minus one and a half.

Opened with the Cardinals, minus one and a half.

Interesting. The people have spoken. Yeah.

Arizona's defense has played well. The overruner in this game is 43 and a half. Seattle's defense, same story. Special teams last week. Defense was the story. I do see the game as a coin flip. The fact it's in Arizona. Seattle won both games last year. One of them was 16 to 6. Hopefully, we don't get that on Thursday night football. That'd be a tough start to the week. Week 14 was 30 to 18. They won them both. Kyler is one and three on Thursday nights in his career, two and eight versus Seattle. Seattle getting back some key pieces in the secondary. Seattle had a really easy time at home last week against the New Orleans Saints. One of the big pieces of this game that I'll start with, the running game, Arizona Lodge, James Connor for the season. It's going to be Trey Benson.

Which he's a good play this week.

He's a good play. He's a good back. Do you see him slotting in an Rb2 range this This week?

Yeah.

Chase Brown and how bad he's been. Would you rather play Trey Benson?

I would play Benson. I would as well.

What about quench on Judkins and what we saw last week versus Trey Benson?

Judkins, he's got a tough match up week.

Detroit.

Yeah.

You mean Vincent?

I want Judkins in my lineup.

He had a tough matchup against the Green Bay Packers.

Let's try to have an unemotional, real conversation about Marvin Harrison Jr.

Fair.

It was rough? Is it silenced?

Is it deafening? No, there's me.

You said fair. Oh, he meowed?

You said fair, and Jason is only being fair at this point.

That wasn't me. That was Marvin. Sorry. Go on. All right, I'm done.

I doubt it. Marvin Harrison or D. K. Metcalf against Minnesota. Tough, tough defense and match up for Metcalf Jeff, do you believe that Marvin Harrison will bounce back this week from a really frustrating, disappointing three for 44, blew a breakdown, blew up maybe a 75-yard breakdown earlier in the game? If you wanted to... I think Marvin Harrison is a baby by now.

Yeah, I agree. I actually do because it's so negative. It's so negative. And what's ironic is that the thing that pushes it over the top in negative is his two drops in that game. Sure. But also, they're frustrating because what could have been. And if he had actually caught those, which obviously Marvin Harrison knows how to catch passes, he's not going to drop every pass. This should not be a sentence we have to say. I know, but it's like he's going to catch those more often than he drops those.

Put your hands vertical, my man.

Had he caught those last week, it would be the exact opposite. It'd be like, wow, how can you He can't possibly bench Marvin Harrison after he gets 125 yards and two touch downs, which is basically what he would have had.

I just sent Mike a trade offer, a one-for-one trade offer for Marvin Harrison. You did? Mike can bring it up, and then you can discuss what side you'd rather have.

Oh, my.

It's not the player I think it is. No.

It's Marv for Zee flowers.

Oh, okay. I was like, You wouldn't have done a bouca for Marv.

Of course not. Okay. No, Marv sucks. I don't want a sucky player.

We wouldn't be talking about it. We'd be I'm talking about a trade that went through, right?

Yeah, that one would be... By the way, if you send Jonathan Taylor and AJ Brown over, I will reject that.

You already sent that offer to me, and I declined it.

But if you send it, I'll decline it. That's what I'm saying.

That is an interesting conversation that I will have to think about.

Yeah, you'll have to think about that. Yeah, but Marvin Harrison right now is sitting in the wide receiver 2, 3 fringe range. It's hard to go away from someone like Cuge for Marv. Cuge has been-Oh, I would not. I would be playing Cuge. I'd be playing Brian Thomas Jr. Because of the target volume. Would you? I think I would.

Trevor Lawrence is really, really bad at football.

Yeah, I would be playing-How about Kyler? Brian Thomas.

I think Kyler is better than Trevor Lawrence.

That's the Arizona side. Trey McBride leading all tight ends in target chair. You keep playing him. Don't worry.

The Seattle Seahawks are currently dead last in allowing fantasy points to the tight end position. Keep playing Trey McBride.

Yeah, I mean, the Cardinal's offense runs through not wide receivers. That's been the depressing part of it. Sam Darnold is your stream of the week. Mike Kenneth Walker has been on fire. Charbonne will play. He was a full practice on Monday and Tuesday. So you will figure out what the balance is going to be. The Cardinal's defense has been pretty good so far this year, but I don't think it's going to stop you from playing Kenneth Walker, is it?

No. The Cardinal's defense, they did an admiral terrible job against Christian McCaffrey. It's a very difficult player to try to stop, and they looked pretty good doing that. They didn't give up a ton of points to the 49ers last week. However, obviously, they didn't have a starting quarterback in there, even though Mac Jones is so good. Of according to Mac Jones. I think you certainly keep starting Kenneth Walker, because while you'll get dud games, you'll get those massive big blow-up games, too.

Jason's in your lineup. Where are you with Cooper Cupp versus Tori Horton? Cupp had a huge week, two, and two and two duds. Tori Horton, not a big yardage guy yet, but he got into the end zone. If you had to choose between one of those two for a spot start.

For a spot start, I would currently be starting Cupp, but I would much rather roster Horton and have either one on my bench right now.

Yeah, I can agree with that. I don't really want to force either of them into the lineup.

Okay.

Cup blew up week two, but 15 yards week one and 31 in week three is not yet.

Do you guys have any other thoughts on this matchup? Do you have a prediction for Thursday night?

I do think Seattle wins the game. They look like the truly better team. The Cardinals cannot score. Their offense right now looks broken. And while their defense has been playing admirable, they've had pretty easy go of it so far.

I don't think they've been tested. It's funny because all three of the teams, San Francisco, Arizona, and now Seattle, have all got to play the Saints. Right.

And the Seahawks blew the tar out of them, and the Cardinals eeked out a win.

As did the 49ers. Yeah. All right, we will turn the page then and jump into some mailbag.

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Hey, Ballers. This is Wayne from Kansas City.

Love the show. This week, would you start Baker Mayfield or Daniel Jones in a one-quarterback lead.

Thank you.

Baker Mayfield against the Philadelphia Eagles or Daniel Jones on the road against the Los Angeles Rams. Also, I'm so thrilled that this is a... Yeah. This This is a real question.

It might be a real answer of Daniel Jones.

That's my real answer. He's ahead in my rankings, and it makes more sense.

So far, Daniel Jones-Losing Mike Evans.

Yeah, exactly. Losing Mike Evans, playing against the Philadelphia Eagles. It's not going to be easy for Baker to do enough with Sterling Sheppard. I think they're going to have to really run the ball well if they want to compete against the Eagles this week. Whereas you look at Daniel Jones, he was the quarterback 4, the quarterback 6, and the quarterback 12 so far on the season. And one of those, the quarterback 6, was against a very good defense in Denver. And so the Rams, this game is a 49. 5 point over under.

It's currently the highest of the week.

Yeah, I would like to play Daniel Jones.

Ed in New Zealand. Start. Bonjour. Jamieson Williams or Brian Thomas Jr. This week. Underdog going into week 4, sitting at 1: 00 and 2. Don't want to keep getting hurt by BTJ, but I feel like the floor is the same with both players. Love the show. Please help.

It's Brian Thomas Jr. You can't go away from the amount of targets that Brian Thomas Jr has been getting. I mean, obviously, his catching problem has become a mental yip. It's in his head because it's happening too often right now. But this is a guy who's seven targets, 12 targets, 6 targets. He's on pace for 141 targets. We What is the ceiling for either guy? The floor for either guy is really, really bad.

Who has more catches on the season?

Well, you're going to say Jamison Williams, of course, because- Because he has more catches. I believe Brian Thomas has catching 28% of his passes.

I'm just saying that's shocking to me. I did not I like to see that. I knew the targets were out of control on the Thomas favor, but literally, Jamison Williams, who has eight catches on the year, has more than Brian Thomas.

If you zoom out, do you have any concern just overall for Detroit this week? They're playing the Cleveland Browns.

I do not think they'll He'll be able to throw the ball deep. So I would agree with Jason. I think Brian Thomas Jr. Is the play. The biggest problem, we saw this frequently last week and every week, you don't have time. You ever seen Miles Garrett before? Tell me. You ever seen Mason Graham?

Miles Garrett is a superhero.

Mason Graham is making that Travis Hunter trade look like the worst trade in the history of sports. He has pressure on the defensive front for Cleveland. You do not have time.

I have wondered that, suddenly, They traded so much for Travis Hunter.

He was a very good trade right now for Cleveland.

Of course, it's early, but it's like, you traded all that and then use the number two pick on that. You're like, That guy better be making an impact. It feels like he's not right now.

Yeah.

He's not a trade of that magnitude impact.

Yeah. Unfortunately, I would say so far through the season, despite the huge week, too, I mean, I'm definitely disappointed in Jamieson Williams' play in production. He hasn't really changed his utilization. It's been big play dependent. I was hoping to see more like 6, 7, 8 target range.

That's what we saw the whole second half of last year.

If you want to have a little bit of encouragement there, now it's not going to come this week with Cleveland, but you've played at Green Bay and at Baltimore in two of those games. Those been difficult matchups where the running game has had to dictate things. I think it will open up a little bit for them, but I've been bummed. I've been disappointed. Somebody insult me because that's when he scored last time. The last time you insult me about him, he had a big touch down.

Halfway through the game, hop on Twitter.

And victory lap me. That worked really well. All right, we got another voicemail.

Yo, yo, yo, ballers. Love the show.

I just got Debo Samuel in a trade by giving away Chase Brown.

I have another league mate, though, asking for Debo in exchange for cues.

Should I do it or should I keep Debo?

Thanks.

I think you're going to get different answers from this group on this one. I'm on the Debo side by far. Right now, you have a significant injury potential for Terry McLaurin. Debo's only bad game was the one game he had no Jaden Daniels, and he actually didn't play poorly. He had a monstrous near-touchdown return on a kickoff.

I would push back and say his week 2 was bad. He salvaged it.

You had eight targets, though.

Yeah, but- That's great. 7 for 44 is not great, and it was It was... All of us admit, that was the garbagey, garbagey, countdown. That saved the day. I'm not saying I'm completely out on Debo because week one was very nice. But between the two of those guys, I would buy into what Quintin Johnston is doing, and the charges passing attack.

I actually like both players. This is not an anti-either-player take, but the yardage... Forget the touch downs, right? Touch downs aren't very sticky, and they're pushing huge up drastically. 79 yards in week one, 71 yards in week two, 89 yards in week three. And two-thirds of those were against really good defenses in the Broncos and the Chiefs. What Quentin Johnston doing, and more so, what we're seeing the chargers do with how they're playing, I'm buying into Cuj as being a legitimate top 20 wide receiver this year. So Cuj is your answer? Yeah, Cuj is my answer.

All right. Well, then your answer here. Primetime in Hawaii, A. J. Brown or Debo in a PPR?

A. J. Brown.

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