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Bunny, who used to be a former sex worker and now hosts the podcast Dumb Blonde.

Most little girls grow up wanting to be doctors and lawyers and shit, and I was like, I wanna be super hot, make a lot of fucking money, and be a rock star's wife.

That was my goal as a child, and here we are.

We are. What's up, you sexy motherfuckers. Welcome to another episode of Dumb Blonde. Today we have the one, the only Bam Margera and his girlfriend, Danny Marie.

What's up guys?

What up?

I know. So excited to be here. I think she says the F-bomb more than me.

I do. I am constantly cussing. People get so mad at me. They're like, why do you say fuck? I said, because intelligent people cuss. That's what we do. Yep.

I love it. It's like my favorite word. And when I heard your, first podcast, I'm like, oh, this is gonna be fun. I don't have to think before I say that word.

I love that. What have you guys been up to, bam? What have you guys been doing?

We've actually been on the road. Um, we met 8 months ago, and about 6 of the months we've been all over the place— Texas, New Mexico, Florida, South Carolina, Indiana— made our way down here. Um, and, uh, we've just been enjoying the road trip. We have 2 dogs and, uh, And soon we'll be making our way to California, but we have been booking a lot of Comic-Cons and horror cons just because, um, you know, we've been doing so well at them. And I've been in treatment for the longest Florida shuffle you could call the Guinness Book because it was like 2 and a half years at $660,000.

Yeah, we're gonna get into that later because I did, I did research a little bit of that, and I'm telling you right now, I preach it on my podcast non-stop, the mental health system in America is fucking broken, whacked.

And especially in Florida.

Yeah, it's so bad. I wanna let everybody know at home that since you've walked in here, you've literally had like a smile on your face. And that makes me happy because you know—

Why wouldn't I? Look at this eye candy.

Dude, she's hot. I was, when you were, I was hitting on her when you walked out. I was like, hey baby, you are fine.

Man, girl, fine girls in here.

You manifested her though. I heard on an interview that you manifested her. Tell me about that.

Well, I was pretty much— I checked into the Sunset Marquee in Los Angeles, right on Hollywood Boulevard. I was just over everything. I have 5 lawsuits, a custody battle that is never ending. I'm just spending all my money on that. I just got 3 of my credit cards stolen and they all racked up $20 grand on each one. The last one was a stripper from Spearmint Rhino who racked up $20 grand in a nightclub in one night. How do you do that? That means every valet—

Very good point.

Don't know those guys, but I'll pay for them. Don't know that crew, but I'll pay for their bottle service. How? $20 grand in one night at one nightclub?

Come on. Well, I worked at a strip club, so that's very easy. As a bartender, you can get all your girlfriends drinks and there, there's the $20K.

So when I checked in, I, I got a whole bunch of drugs and I was like, I, I really just don't even care to wake up, and if I do, fuck you, God. So the next morning I'm like, man, I'm awake, fuck. I'm like, all right, I'm going to go to the pool bar. You better do— God, you better deliver me the hottest eye candy. I want a tan pit bull and A-cup tits because my prior girlfriends, they always talked me into buying these fake boobs and they were always rocks. And they always say that they'll settle down within a year. And then 3 years goes by, I'm like, they're still rocks.

I want to chomp on them. They didn't massage them properly. Yeah.

So when I went to the pool bar, I ordered a drink, of course. And I overhear somebody talking, listen, I'm 43 years old. I was born in Jersey. I'm Sicilian. I'm like, and I look over, I'm like, wow, who's—

Sicilian Irish.

I'm Sicilian Irish. I was born in Philly over the bridge. Who are you? She's like, I'm a stretch coach. I'm like, and she's like, I have to go home and walk my dogs. I'm like, what kind of dog? A tan pit bull.

I'm like, thank you God.

I've been saved. And I was on a mission. And, you know, the doctor told me in 2013 that my legs were like dry rotted rubber bands from alcohol abuse. And he was pretty much like, good luck trying to skateboard again, which is what my passion was. I've been pro since I was 17. And because of that, it just made me drink more. So when I met her, she's like, don't listen to him at all. I stretch you an hour a day and you're gonna get your legs back. And sure enough, they're like 100% again. Every day, first thing we do is stretch, walk the dogs, and then I'm out looking for a skate spot.

Yeah, that's what I heard. What was your first impression of this hot mess over here?

A hot mess? We were actually looking at photos today. I don't even, I mean, I don't, I mean, it's, It's so hard to even say how it connected, but it was, I was invited by somebody who I didn't really know, but it was the Hollywood scene, you know?

Yeah.

And later found out wasn't the best crowd, but I showed up by myself. My friend Heather, I'll call her out, she couldn't make it that day, but that's okay. I went alone and, you know, I didn't know anybody. And she sent me this text that was like, celebrities are here. I hate that, of course. But my mom's like, well, I'm literally fighting myself 'cause I lived in Koreatown. Couldn't find parking. It was a disaster. So to leave your house in Koreatown is a big deal. You have to take an Uber.

It's just a nightmare. Anywhere in fucking LA is a nightmare, dude.

So I'm like, is it really worth going? Like, she's already dropped a celebrity name. Like, who knows if whatever. So my mom's like, well, you didn't go to LA to stay in bed, blah, blah, blah. So she put a little firecracker in my ass. I like mom.

Yeah.

So I got dressed, put on my little LA hat, and then I went to the pool party. And of course, how some girls can be, they weren't, you know, being very friendly once this one and I started talking. I do remember him kind of coming over, but I was alone, blind. Mindfolded and just wasn't really wanting to date at the time. I just got out of something really shitty.

Did you know who he was?

I remember like, they were like, Bam Margera's here. I'm like, bam. I'm like, you know, they're like, oh, Jackass. I'm like, oh, okay. But we are the same age, so it wasn't like I was really watching it every day. Like, I hate to bring up Ridiculousness, but how it's like constantly on the TV, you know, like you can't get away from it. So I knew, but I didn't really know, you know, the whole type of Bam.

Right.

So when we interacted, you know, the girls, as they know who they are, had kind of like pushed me towards him because they weren't being bully-ish, but they weren't being friendly because the one girl had taken a shower with him the day before. Oh.

So did you even remember that, Bam?

Yeah, I did.

Okay. Because he was fucked up, so you gotta— I did a lot of shit when I was fucked up that I don't remember, you know?

So basically they just—

His face is turning 3 shades of red right now. I don't think I've ever seen you blush.

He admitted it. I mean, at least he told me, and I'm like, okay, well, are y'all like dating? Because I'm single, it's LA, like whatever. And I just, we just had fun. Like we ended up going, I can't even tell you where. It was just some little place in LA. It was like a strip club of some sort that was completely packed.

Were you using then or were you sober?

No, I haven't, okay, so we'll get into all that, but I was a drinker. I mean, I've had my share of things. I've been a model since I was 14, so I've definitely partied. Lived in Vegas, lived in LA. But for me, I won Miss Bikini, I went through, okay, so 2019 I had an ankle surgery, which was, mortifying. I lost my 14-year-old dog, and then a 10-year, almost 10-year relationship ended, all within like a year. So I went through a really bad time. I was drinking a little too much, started drinking more, and then, you know, I started getting sick, like literally sick, and in the hospital. I was getting alcohol poisoning is what was happening. I just didn't want to tell anybody that I knew when I was throwing up what was happening.

Because you're like binge drinking.

Yeah, it was just like, you know, rosé starts at 10 AM, and then before you know it, it's 8 o'clock at night, and you know, it's just Sounds like a good time. Yeah, bad, just I was going down a bad, bad path. I was getting, after the breakup, I hung out with the wrong guy. He was younger than me and I started doing bad things again and then just really nipped it in the butt and just had to break up with a lot of people. So I ended up entering a bikini contest and didn't realize how intense it was, but I was already in it and I couldn't pull out. I wanted to 'cause it was like, I'd rather just have another cocktail and go whatever, so. I ended up placing 5th and I stayed serious that whole like 4 months of training for the bikini. So once I started to get away from the alcohol, I just quit completely. So I really haven't been drinking since 2021. But when I went out to LA, it was like a couple drinks here and there. But then I, you know, when you're not drinking, a couple drinks will get you buzzed.

Oh, absolutely.

So that was the day, like I was in an eff it mood, fuck it mood, whatever. So I was drinking at the pool that day.

Yeah.

And we had a great time. The connection was obviously there because as a person, You know, and the alcohol helped me kiss him a little bit, you know, a little makeout bandit. We were FaceTiming just okay.

She's still committed to the gym at 5 AM the next day and dropped a 40-pound weight on her toe.

I broke that shit basically.

Oh my God.

I like shattered the toe and then I wake up the next day and I'm like, damn, I think I made out with Bam. Like I woke up, like the dogs are like, where were you for 7 hours? So I was getting railed. Yeah, feeling rough. And then I just, I remember like wanting him to call. Like I really wanted him to call. I was like, oh, it's already 4 o'clock, he hasn't called yet, that's weird. So something inside told me to take a shower, which I did, and I'm laying in Koreatown and of course the phone rings and he's like, eh!

Not from my phone because the stripper stole it as well as my credit card, so I called randomly from a number that had South Carolina area code, which is where she's from.

Yeah, I grew up in Charleston, so it's like 843. Why did I have to— I'm like, where are you?

Poor Bam, Bam got his card stolen, his phone stolen.

Yeah, he was a hot mess that weekend.

I don't even know if you know this, but Then I, I saw this psychic lady who basically told me to be a yes man, say yes to everything. So I'm going to see my—

Oh, that's not— don't tell Bam that.

I pull in with the Bentley to this gas station in Vista, California, because my phone died and I didn't know how to get to his house, so I had to charge it in the gas station. So as soon as I pull up, these M13 gangsters with their tattoos, face and everything, they go, yo, you Bam from Jackass? I'm like, yeah. They're like, can we get a photo? I'm like, yes. And they're like, 'Can we sit in your car and get a photo?' I'm like, 'Yes.' They're like, 'Yo man, this thing must be fast. Can we go around the block and whatever?' I'm like, 'Yes.' So then we go around the block and we're cracking jokes.

I do not know this.

I park at the gas station knowing that my phone's still charging, and I'm like, 'Hang on guys.' I leave the car running. I'm like, 'I gotta go get my phone.' They're like, 'All right, cool.' So I go in and I'm like, 'Hey ma'am, could I get my phone?' They're like— she's like, 'I gave it to your friend.' I'm like, 'What friend? I'm from Pennsylvania. I don't have any friends here.' She's like, 'Well, I gave it to somebody.' I'm like, 'You gave my phone away? I was forced to call 911.' So 3 cop cars pull up, and I guess they were larried up on whatever, but they thought it was for them. So they took my car as the police show up, not knowing that it's for me and my phone. It had nothing to do with them. This guy just got out of jail for 5 years for guns and drugs, and apparently he had guns and drugs on him. So he took my car. I walk out, there's 3 helicopters in the sky, and I hear from Officer Bentley— I'll never forget— Bentley's been crashed in the house. I'm like, awesome! And I didn't want to press charges because I don't need these guys after me.

I tagged that I'm at the Vista skate park. Next thing you know, I'm getting drive-by shooting. So ate the cash on that as well.

Oh, I had no idea about that.

So why does— why does— why do you think this shit happens to you all the time, Bam?

Because I listened to a lady say yes to everything that day.

There has to be some level of discernment in your gut though. You got to be like, no, maybe I shouldn't be riding around with these guys.

I don't understand that one.

It was just like she just said it. So the first thing that— just say yes to everything. Yo, bam! Can we get a photo?

Yes!

What was her point in this? I would love to talk to her and just be like, what was your point? Why do you think telling Bam Margera to say yes?

She's one of the ones who spent $20 grand on my card.

Oh my gosh. Was she a stripper?

No, she was a psychic, and then the stripper was next, and then a buddy—

Was the psychic in the strip club?

He had a tiny bit— no, it was not.

Okay, so totally unrelated.

My buddy was recording at Sun Studios in Memphis at Elvis's place, and he had a small bill to pay, like $3,000. So I gave him my credit card information because the label was going to pay it back. He gets so drunk that night that he spends $20,000 on sunglasses and jackets on my card and doesn't remember doing it.

It sounds like you're surrounded by a lot of people.

Well, he was, and he's so broke, I think he has a payment plan of like $50 a month, which will take eternity to pay off.

Well, that's why you're attracted to Bam, because Bam is funny all of the time.

Yeah.

So it's never a dull moment with, with him. And it was like that, you know, people always, you know, he's— when he's not drinking anymore, but he's just elevated, and it's just funnier. Yeah, that we want him drinking, but he's not like a bad drunk. I mean, he's fun, he just gets funnier. Yeah, so that's where the attraction definitely happened. I mean, who doesn't love a guy or a girl or whomever you're with that makes you smile?

Oh, I love funny guys. That's why I married my husband.

Yeah, so like, he just— I just— we died rolling all night long, and I just remember like really want him to to call the next day. And then once he called and said, do you want to go for pizza at the Rainbow Room? I'm like, the Rainbow Room has pizza? He's like, it's the best pizza.

That's Jay's favorite fucking place. So forever in LA, I'll call you guys because Jay, last time for the Grammys, he went and rented out the Rainbow Room and got shit-faced and then swam in the pool or swam in the fucking fountain at the fucking Beverly Hills, whatever the fuck we were at.

So on our first date, I was, I really wanted to know, but I was just doing small talk, you know? I'm like, I just gotta know, how are your teeth so perfectly white? She's like, because I brush my teeth with your dick.

I'm like, fuck, bro, I love you.

That was after he had tortured me in a funny way for 2 days.

I know how to handle somebody like you and your friends.

Yeah, I was like, I can keep up with you. So it was cute. It was just like the Rainbow Room pizza. And then honestly, Bunny, like, it just— I never left.

That's how it happens. That's how Jay and I were. Once you meet that soul partner, that soul connection, it's just like, it's like fireworks.

And you guys are just together. I was in my turmoil over and I was ready to just check out. I didn't care unless— and I knew she was the runaway and I asked what happened to her. She's like, I had to flee the scene in Miami. I was dating a professional baseball player who was very abusive and I just packed up the dogs and I just hit the road and LA was my destination. And, you know, he saw a photo of like us in Us Weekly holding hands in a little tabloid thing with a purple dress on. He's like, I'm coming out there. I'm going to find you and like hunt you down. And this— I believe that he died of a fentanyl overdose in Texas on the way here. Wow.

Oh my God.

Yeah. So she just knew that if she stayed in that relationship, it was not going to end well.

Yeah. He wasn't a good guy.

How long were you guys together for?

It was, it was, you know what, if we ever write a book, it'll just be the booty call gone bad.

Oh, fuck.

That's the worst. The first guy I slept with in 9 years. So it was just like, wait, you didn't have dick for 9 years? I was with somebody.

Oh, okay. Gotcha. Gotcha.

Okay.

I was like, wait a second.

How did that work? But he was like the first after the, after the ex. Ex. So it was just, you know, he was a professional baseball player and he just was, you know, rest his soul because we don't want to send bad energy in the air. Yeah, but he was like dating multiple women who one of them are now friends.

All the girls were like, who are you and why are you here? Well, I'm her boy. For how long? 9 months. What about you? 9 years. What about you? 2 years. What about you?

Like, that's how athletes are though. Athletes, musicians, like, that's how— that's the whole, you know, that's their whole game.

I'm surprised it didn't wind up being one big brawl with a bunch of chicks.

But yeah, he doesn't understand. Like, sometimes the world doesn't understand that I wasn't really happy in LA though, because if you go back to LA— no offense to LA, I love LA— I lived in LA when I was 19 to 20. Yeah, and it's just changed.

It's— I always tell everybody, Los Angeles has lost its sparkle.

It really has. It really—

back in our time, 10, 15 years ago, that place was fucking just like money, glitter everywhere, you know? And now it's like, it has no soul.

And another thing is like, no soul. You, you could barely get a 1-bedroom, 1-bath with no land near the beach of Santa Monica for 4 million or whatever. Out here you could have 20 acres. Yeah.

You know what?

If you're so obsessed with the beach, just buy a nice pool, put a sandbox next to it.

Yeah.

What a fucking day.

Yeah. Are you guys gonna move to Nashville?

We don't know what we're doing. We're just trying to figure out what the best place is.

Yeah.

Because he needs to be close to Phoenix. Me, I just need great girlfriends, some water, and some sun.

Yeah. Well, there's not a lot of water and a lot of sun here except for in the summertime. I'm a Vegas girl. I'm a West Coast girl too. It took a long time for me to get adjusted here, but once I did, Nashville is like LA but with a soul. And it's like your peace. Like, it's like everybody here is just so sweet and welcoming and loving.

Southern hospitality.

It's so healing here.

That's what I love about little towns like this and in West Chester, Pennsylvania. If you're a bartender, you're just simply happy being a bartender. If you're one in Los Angeles, you are just simply trying to make ends meet until your big break of becoming a model or an actor or whatever it is. And everybody's so fake that I just did a test with a friend because we were at a party. I'm like, just watch this. Yo, Ben, what are you up to? Oh, I'm actually got to do Jimmy Kimmel because Jackass 2 is coming out, which was true. And they're like, dude, we got to work together. Next person that comes up, yo, Ben, what are you up to? I actually just flew myself out here with my own money and I'm kind of looking for work. You got anything going on? Good talking to you, pal. Like, if you're up to something, they all want to be a part of it. And if you're not, then— That's so true. It's just, it's really fake town is what it is.

No, it is, it is. It's definitely gone down the drain in the past few years. So let's circle back to how are Phil and April doing? How's your relationship with them?

Well, I just realized that right now it's just a good time to just back off and time, because they were a part of the whole treatment thing. I got a guardian just like Britney Spears, and her only answer to everything was lock me up and throw away the key, put him in treatment, put him in treatment. And I knew that that was not the way.

That's the Lima girl.

Yeah.

And like Lima.

Yeah. And her last client, Amanda, she, she faked the autopsy report. They did research and found out that she, she died in the care of her own hands of having a seizure. And I've never had a seizure in my life until I met her. I went into 5 of them. In a row, and the last one I couldn't breathe on my own. I woke up 8 days later on a fucking life support tube with COVID and pneumonia.

That's why.

So like, all I knew is I had to— once you get Marchman Acted or Baker Acted, it usually happens in Florida. That means that you have to do 90 days in treatment, and if the interventionalist knows that you have good insurance, they will find reasons to keep you there for eternity. So I'm like 88 days in, and I'm like, I get to— in 2 more days I get out, hip hip hooray. Then he walks in, he's like, you've been rocking those same shorts for like days now. I'm like, yeah, I'm not trying to get any pussy around here, I don't care. They're like, that's bad hygiene, you're doing another 90 days in another place. Then I'll do 88 days at another place, flick the cigarette out into a bush. They filmed it smoking like any cigarette would smoke, it was not on fire. Like, you could lit the whole national forest on fire, you're doing another 90 days in another place. They just kept doing it and doing it and doing it.

It's called body snatching, basically.

Yeah, straight up body snatching.

It's the insurance. Yeah. Let's toss you through. Yeah, you know.

And I realized that there's nothing that you could do to get out this stuff. They will find—

yeah. Oh yeah, once you're in the system, you're pretty fucking Right, am I better now?

You know, we're gonna keep you here for another 90 days. For what? I've done everything you've asked. I've been here for 2 and a half years. Get me the fuck out. And when I did get out, I appreciated life a lot more. I'm like, I'm in a car, it's a convertible, there's the beach, I'm in a fucking Starbucks outside talking to you.

Or just the music. They can't even hear the music.

I was using music. I had no interweb, no fucking music, no TV. A little bit of TV, but it was just terrible.

Well, let's, let's rewind. So you feel like, you feel like April and Phil had something to do with the— is it, was it a conservatorship that you had?

Yeah, I guess guardian ad litem.

But, but did they hire this guardian?

So basically, where did she come from?

She got hired from, from Nikki's brother. They all teamed up on me and, and said that he needs to go away for a long, long time. They talked my parents into it by like saying Oh yeah, $500,000 is a lot of money, but if you don't write this check, you're going to be real sorry when he's 6 feet in the ground, you know, making her, my mom, feel really bad about it. So she just got talked into this. And then Lima has such a nice voice that she could pretty much con anybody into anything.

Is she an interventionist? What do they call those people?

She tried to like create rehabs and stuff. If you look up her— I try not to talk about her too much because she's listening to everything and I don't care if she hears me today. It's about time she does.

But it's—

if you're— I would have been dead if I would have kept doing what she was making me do. And she was making me say things like I was in the longest Florida shuffle. It's a fact. It's called a shuffle. She's like, man, there's no such thing as a Florida shuffle. You have to do a statement saying that you didn't know what you were talking about. And I really went on. She like forced me to do it. Like, hey guys, I know I was talking about the Florida shuffle, but I don't know anything about it or what I was talking about. And I was not in the Florida shuffle whatsoever.

Lies. How did she get you?

I was definitely in the fucking Florida shuffle. I was in 13 different treatment centers at 90 days apiece, and one of them was doing it. 20. It's called a shuffle. They kept me in there for—

why?

For no reason. I already know the alcohol is good and it's not any bad. What do I have to do at the next class? Learn that alcohol is bad, it's not any good. I'm very aware of that. What are you going to do when you get out? I'm going to sip on a White Claw because fuck all y'all.

So Nikki's— Nikki and her brother hired this girl.

Yeah.

Okay, this woman, and she came in and pretty much just like took over your life and completely 50/50'd you.

The answer to everything is yeah, 50/50 me. And, you know, what hurts the most is that this chick, very good friend of mine, BJ Investigates— it's also called The Surprise Witness. She does a podcast.

Surprise.

She, she decided to buy every 911 call of me or that I've done. And body cam footage. Every document, every house I bought and sold, every car. She just wanted everything. And why? Because she just wanted to find out the truth. She knows that something shady was going on. And she— when we looked at the body cam footage, my Aunt Missy, my mom, they were all in on it. I'm like hiding in a hotel. And then all of a sudden the police show up. I'm like, are you— and my mom's like, bam, I have no idea. I have no idea about it. Then as soon as I get handcuffed and taken away, she's talking to the cops like, like they fucking arranged this.

Well, the Aunt Missy, or whoever she is, was like, tell them I'm not here. When you watch it, you'll cry. I can't watch it because it shows betrayal from family and I can't watch it. I was crying through like the third one. And BJ is a very good friend of ours. They don't like her because she's speaking the truth.

Yeah.

Right. And she's uncovered things that he was too fucked up to realize.

Yeah. And, and you can't deny physical body cam proof, which is what she has, and documented proof. So she doesn't— BJ doesn't know what she's talking about. Yes, she does, because it's documented in the court of law.

She's a lawyer.

She's a lawyer.

Yeah.

Let's— so, okay, circling back. I'm sorry I had to cut you off in such a crucial moment, but That betrayal has got to be fucking traumatic.

Yeah, and if my mom is able to say that for a whole year, she's like, "Bam, I swear I had no idea about it." And then a year later, BJ got the body cam footage. I'm like, "What do you have to say about this?" "Well, Bam, we didn't know what to do." It's like, but you lied to me for a whole year. Like, I think you even swore on your whatever's, you know what I mean?

Yeah, were you using a lot then?

No, because I was in treatment for 2 years, but as soon as I would get out, The first thing I wanted to do was that because I had no reason to stop. My kid has been taken away from me and they have no plans on arranging me a visit. I'm paying rent, um, for my girlfriend's place. And I said, if you move to Burbank near your brainwashing brother, I'm leaving you for good. So I'm like, I'll move to anywhere with you in Phoenix on the planet except there. So I sent the money. I'm like, congratulations, you— I heard you got a place. Where is it? She's like, Burbank. I'm like, all right, I'm leaving you. And she thought that I was fibbing, but like, I— the only reason that made me stop right here, she gave me the perfect ultimatum: her pussy or the vodka. I really like vodka, but I'm not gonna go with that. I'm gonna go with the first option. And her stretching an hour a day is so effective. Anytime I was sore back in the day, I'm like, man, I'm sore, I need a massage. I should have got a stretch coach.

Ah, I just want to go back to like the— just because the family and everything, because we could talk all day. We all probably have ADHD and in this room, but I, the thing that I noticed when we got together is, and I'm gonna say it 'cause this is the honesty day today, is I've never had a chance to talk to the world. So what I experienced in the beginning would be devastating to me because whatever issue you have, your family's supposed to be the ones that you can count on and your friends.

Yes.

So when you see a situation like Brittany and now, and Bam, it's the money. I worked for a big company piece of shit who was in the Florida Shuffle. His name's Joe McBratney. I dare him to come for me. He owes me $900. But like, he was in the Florida Shuffle and he was sleeping with these girls. Like, I'm a very—

What was he?

He was an owner of a rehabilitation center. So the definition of the Florida Shuffle, where Bam was, which his parents seem to be in denial at times, is that they will just take you and then say, you and I have one. It's like, hey, Bam's about to get out, so let's get him fucked up. So they'll let— they would let the girls—

Yeah, because if they let you out and you have a couple days left, they're hoping that you relapse so they could keep you for another 90 days for insurance purposes.

So they would let the girls go out and then say— I'd say, hey, you know, Haley's over on 10th Street in Delray, go get her. And then you would keep her for 30 days and we would split the $100,000. And that's how it goes. And that's what he was in. So when you have someone like our men here that have money, it's just a constant shuffle. So when I saw some of the body cam, I was like pretty disturbed that people that were calling my phone brand new trying to get a hold of him that I'm realizing don't want to call me either, right? Because they just wanted to get to him. There's just a lot of facts out there that show that they just wanted to keep him there. And if he wouldn't have met me, he'd either be dead or he would have just been in the Florida—

For sure. And these places are so shady that I had a roommate named Big Ben, and an ambulance took him out at 3 in the morning when everybody was asleep and they pronounced him dead. And they— I woke up and I overhear everybody saying like, hey, where's Big Ben? He left. And, and all the staff members are like, oh, he moved along to a different facility. I'm like, different facility? Yeah, the fucking morgue. He's deader than shit. They pronounced him dead when I was sitting next to him.

That's got to be traumatic.

But this whole place is trained. They were— they, they taught everybody to say that he moved along to a different facility. Yeah, the morgue. He's dead.

That's got to be traumatic also, having your roommate die right now.

They put me in— I had to go in on under jackass rules with Paramount that I read about and pay for it. So I'm going in on Adderall and alcohol, which I had a prescription for, and, uh, I go in, I'm on more drugs than I've ever had. I was a fucking zombie to the point where I couldn't even cry or come. They put me on fucking bupropion, propranolol, lithium, latuda, trazodone, Seroquel, um, every Wellbutrin and Abilify known to man. But But you could say like, hey, bam, your cat. Oh, my cat died. Neat. You know, hey, Angelina's over there naked and she wants to have at it. Oh, she does?

Cool.

Like, I was just numb. I had no feelings whatsoever. I was better out at the fucking Irish pubs cracking jokes on Adderall and alcohol rather than all that shit.

Do you feel like they keep people overmedicated in these places so that they can control them?

That's— of course that.

And they—

and the doctor probably gets a big kickback on writing all these prescriptions. If they leave, if you leave on nothing, then they lose a client. Yeah. Oh, he's good to go. Well, looks like we don't need him anymore. No, they want you forever to be on their shit. What did it do? Nothing. I— they said they diagnosed me with manic bipolar and then they said, are you depressed? I go, I don't know if I am depressed. It's because I'm now too, I'm, I'm top heavy and I can't skateboard how I used to. So they give me all these new prescriptions and I'm eating salads in there and I'm like gaining weight. I'm like, that's it. So I type in Depakote, number one weight gaining pill. Zyprexa, number one weight gaining pill. I'm like, Doc, why would you give me a weight gaining pill if I told you I'm depressed because I'm heavier than I'm supposed to be? He's like, well, it's an antidepressant. Well, if I keep getting fatter, I'm going to be fucking more depressed, you e-eyed.

They, um, they literally just give you a pill for everything. That's why I won't take any medication. I barely even want to take a leave like around my period because it just fucking medications are just— they're like a Band-Aid and they don't fucking help. You don't— they don't heal you.

Yeah.

If anything, you get strung out on them or you are dependent on them for the rest of your life.

Exactly. And I did learn this— the interventionist Steve Timmer was on the body cam footage, and if you tell the police, don't listen to a word he says, he's schizophrenic— if you say he's schizophrenic, you could be like, hey police, if you look right there and just lean your head over, you will find a dead body. Yeah, yeah, you're not No, no, no. Just take 2 steps and take a look. Yeah, you're schizophrenic. You don't know what you're talking about. Like, no, just fucking take 2 steps and fucking look. Like, they just do not believe anything. As soon as you say schizophrenic, don't believe a word.

It's actually one of the body cams. You can hear one of the cops go, he's about to go in the room. That's when I can't watch it anymore. His friend Paul was on the phone. Now that I'm very good friends with Paul, Paul said it was devastating, but you can hear the one cop go, oh, he's just going schizophrenic, don't worry about it. Like, it's something in that manner of like, "Don't pay attention to anything he says." Did they diagnose you with schizophrenia? He doesn't even know!

No—

I think so.

I think Steve Timmerman just wanted to see me get arrested and go back to a mental institution.

My stepdad was schizophrenic, he ain't schizophrenic.

Yeah, what are your diagnoses?

So outta the 13 places I've been to, I think two of them diagnosed me with manic bipolar, the other 11 said that I'm not that. Every time I'd go to a new treatment center which would be every 90 days, they'd be like, They have you on this, that, and the other thing, and this, this, this. What kind of cocktail is this? We never seen anything like that. I'm like, they said that they were the best of the best. No, we're the best of the best, and you're going to be on this, that, and the other thing now and switch it up. Then I go to another place. They're like, what did that place put you on? This is the craziest cocktail I've ever seen. I'm like, well, they said that they were the best of the best, and that place that was the best of us said that they sucked. I'm like, you're all fucking idiots.

Minus the only one that wasn't an idiot that we just happened to run into. How angels come back around is his, and I'm going to say her name, is Anne Marie. We were just in Doylestown, Pennsylvania, and she hasn't seen this person in so long. And there's a table we usually set up with the Duffs. The Duffs, this is Ed Duff rides for Tony Hawk and—

Vero restaurant in the back room. She was just sitting there. I'm like, what? My therapist? What are you doing? She was there for a different—

She's your original therapist?

And she was the only one that I listened to and loved. Everybody else, you know, and that's another thing. I I had to spill my guts to a whole new therapist out of— I had 13 therapists in the past 2 years, so it's like, here we go again. I gotta spill my whole guts out to every another person and get nowhere because I'm just gonna leave again and they're gonna give me another one.

Okay, you be quiet for one minute. So she basically— we just ran into her though, and it was— so she was one of the only ones that told me personally that she didn't want to do what companies were making him do, the Paramount thing and everything, that didn't want him on all these things. So they didn't want her, they didn't like her because she wasn't following the poisonous rules.

Right.

So somehow they lost contact. We're going to meet Pamela for dinner. We walk in this restaurant to go to Pamela's table and she's sitting there. She's in this beautiful pink suit. I'm like, who's this bombshell? Where's Pamela? And then they're like almost crying because they haven't seen each other in so long. So I just want to say like there was one good one, but she was too good to make it because because they want good to go away.

They wanna feed the system. Yeah.

So if I stop taking the 18 medications, then I don't get the $5 million that I usually get on a Jackass movie because I broke my contract. So I stopped taking it. They're like, looks like you broke your contract. I'm like, well yeah, what's the point? What's the point of getting $5 million if I'm dead?

Yeah.

'Cause that's what was gonna happen if I kept taking that. Absolutely.

But if you read about Britney, they say how they open your mouth, they make you swallow the pills, and you just actually throw up. That's actually so fucked up. So it was like they were making her throw up.

Didn't you have to like sit on FaceTimes with them and take your medication every day for ages? Honestly, all fucking day.

Only to get up to piss or go to the refrigerator. And I would just go back to bed. I was like basically just dead inside.

They did it to him again recently when I went to go pick him up. That's like another part of the family. Like, and now that I can talk about it, you know, everyone is aware that it happened fast. But when we started dating and then we had our one first fight ever and he was like, I'm going to Nobu to bang bull. I was like, you are?

Don't do that.

I like you.

So then I met my best friend Heather. I'm like, do you really think he's gonna go go to Nobu and do that? She's like, I don't think so. And then 2 hours later he's like, bam, knocking on her door, LaBrea and Hollywood. And I'm like, all right, we're dating.

It's over.

Don't do that again to me. I was stressed out. But, um, you know, when he had to go to court was when it was a reality check. He asked me, will you fly to Pennsylvania with me and go to court? And it was a really big deal, but I didn't know that he wasn't coming back. So they kept—

I didn't know either. So, so it was because I had a little tiff with my brother. I lent him Castle Bam. To turn into a recording studio. He got Prince's soundboard from Paisley Park. And, um, and I knew that I would be in treatment and once I got out, I was going to go to California to hike with the shaman to lose all this weight. So I came home, didn't think that I had to make an announcement that I'm coming home because it's my home. So instead of like, hey, welcome back, it was more like, so when are you leaving? Fuck you. When I'm leaving. So we got in a little tiff about that. I, I, read his phone on a 3-way conversation with the people that were working in the studio at my house saying, we did not know Bam would be home. Um, he's ruining our program. We need to get him back to California ASAP or $5,150. And for no reason, just to not— so I ripped off the first thing I saw, which is signed Billy Idol guitar, and, and either smashed it with him or on the kitchen, whatever. And then I told his girlfriend who was trying to rescue a cat, she fell off the ladder and shattered her heel.

So I said I'd put a bear trap on her other foot. Knowing that I don't own a bear trap and I certainly didn't fly in with one. So I got a terroristic death threat charge of a bear trap and I put my fucking hand in one in Jackass 2 and it didn't even break. So cool your goddamn jets, everyone.

That's gotta be so hurtful that the people that are supposed to love you the most seem to be so against you. It's almost like they're just—

It's the little things that piss me off. Villa Valla from him is my favorite band, so I have a big picture right as soon as you walk in. There's a piece of cardboard duct taped over his face with like a, you know, just super disrespectful. And then I just bought Phoenix a little blue Lamborghini car, special car that I left because when I got arrested on the manhunt, when they called the police on me to 5150 me, I left that car there because I got locked up. He could just put it right in the house. It got so sun-dried that it's gray. It's not even worth giving it to him anymore.

What is your relationship with Nikki now?

There isn't one.

Yeah.

The lawyers— she, she lawyered up with a lawyer, which was completely ridiculous because we're not married. We got married— it was a fake wedding in Iceland that you, you have to be a resident there to make it legit. We didn't know that. So thank God on that. We're— we— so she's trying to tell the, the lawyer that her name is Nicole Margera. That name does not exist on paper. It doesn't exist on the planet of Earth. So I was giving her $5,000 a month out of the kindness of my own heart for child support. I'm like, I'm being more than fair. And then finally we went to court with her getting a lawyer, and the judge was like, you only get $500 a month, you're not even married. So I'm like, you, you should have been happy with the $5,000. Now I've given $200,000 to my lawyer, and your lawyer wants me to pay for him too. All the money has gone to the lawyers. Congratulations. Over a matter we could have figured out in one second. When's a better FaceTime for Phoenix? Yeah. High Noon on Wednesday, or is Tuesday better? But they always say, we're still working on it, so if you send me another 50 grand, we'll still be working on it.

Yeah, you're gonna work on it for eternity till my bank's running dry.

So you aren't in Phoenix's life right now, or you are still—

it's still an issue. Apparently I get to see him once, um, every weekend, but I'm fully booked with these Comic-Cons every weekend to pay these legal fees.

It's working out though. Like they have, you know, unfortunately just to speak on this subject, I, you know, push him all. I come from a divorced family. I have daddy issues right now. I'm pissed at him right now, but it'll work out. And Phoenix is so young that he just wants to see dad. Dad's famous. So dad's busy and he's doing better than ever and he'll be okay. You know, it's just getting on a schedule so they can see each other and spend time. Right now it's monitored. So that's been a little hard on him, but you know, you gotta prove to the system them that you're not a nutball, even though he's kind of crazy. But I told him just to do his part. Yeah, they're gonna be just fine.

It almost doesn't even matter if a decade went by. Like, hey, do you know, uh, can Bam see Phoenix now? Because it's been 10 years and he's been sober as a judge. Well, he'll probably just relapse. I know him. You know, there's nothing I could do to win on this matter.

And unfortunately, he's been so up and down that they're— I don't think that they believe this. I think that I'm a fly-by girlfriend, right? Some people think I'm here for the fame. I'm famous in my own way. I don't need it.

You know, it's really shitty because I'm missing him grow up.

Yeah.

You know, if I walk in the mall and I see some teddy bears or a fucking Paw Patrol poster, I'm crying my eyes out. If I even go past a playground and I see kids playing, it's like, that's all I want to do. But I have to have a fucking supervised visit from the Supreme Court with a microphone on just It's like, I've been living at the Black Rifle Coffee compound with a little 8-year-old and a 10-year-old. How come I get to live there and play with them all day, but when it comes to my own kid, I have to have a Supreme Court visit with a fucking microphone and people filming me just to make sure I don't do anything wrong? What am I gonna do wrong?

But my sister is not famous, and she had to go through this. Yeah. And she just, in Georgia, has like, and he won 51%, and my sister is an angel. She has to pay child support, so they have a good connection, and he knows he's not alone. Alone. There's a lot of parents out there that are fighting for their kids, whether you're famous and have money or broken, have nothing, and they're fighting for no reason when it should just be about the child. So I support him 100%, and he knows that.

I don't even know what school he goes to. I don't even know where he lives, even though I'm paying for it. I don't even know anything about him— what friends he has, what he even likes, what cartoons he likes.

Don't know anymore because everything has to go through the lawyer, and it's just such a pain in the Is Nikki willing to put her hurt aside and have some sort of friendship with you so that you guys can—

can— I think when a girl is scorned, then all they see is fire in their eyes and Babylon's burning and it's gonna burn your fucking house down. There's nothing you could do to save it, right? It's just—

there's— it's hard and the kid's young. So just, I think right now, like, me personally, I just— like I said, I come from a You know, divorced family and, you know, it's all about him and Phoenix. It's not about her. It's not about me. It's not about April and Phil. It's about those two.

And you know that everybody on her end, they're hearing her one-sided story. She's probably going around saying, "Bam left me high and dry and he gives me only $400 a month." Yeah, I was giving you $500 until the judge said you're only getting $400. And I gave all my money to lawyers when I begged you not to get one. 'cause we don't need that. So it's all gone anyway. There's nothing to divide anymore. You know, the lawyers take everything. But I have started from scratch and I love it that way. So now if we want to get a house, we pick out our own furniture, we do it. I like starting from scratch. I've never been more happy in my life on this great adventure of just going from spot to spot, meeting new people, coming up with new deals, new whatever. It's great.

Sounds like you, Data Boss, bitch. When you date a boss, you're stuck at home.

You know. In a vicious circle of the hair of the dog. I wake up, I'm like, oh, I feel like shit from drinking. But if I have a drink, I'm gonna feel pretty good. And if I have another one, I'm gonna feel even better. If I have a third one, I'll feel great. Next thing you know, you wake up, oh, fuck, I feel like shit. But if I have a beer, I know—

Yeah, it's a cycle.

It's cyclical. Why do they call it hair of the dog?

Like, I would've never understood that.

It's the hair of the dog that bit you.

But why? The dog hair doesn't bite.

Yeah.

I like dog hair.

I've never understood that saying either.

Me neither. I use the method often, the fast.

It sounds to me like you have found some sort of purpose.

Yes.

And that's what's driving you and that's exciting to you because even though you have done everything that you've done, it almost like seems like it started so young for you that you weren't able to appreciate it.

Exactly, like—

Amen, buddy.

I mean, I made my own video at the age of 16 and through word of mouth sold over a million copies without even putting an ad in anything, mom-and-pop skate shops were selling it, and everybody said, you need to see this video. So then I did another one, and then that's when Jackass found me. I was the first person ever ride for Nike. And when Element put out my skateboards, they also put out Bam wallets, Bam sunglasses, Bam everything. And when Jackass became bigger than MTV could imagine, I already had all this Bam stuff out before they could even make Jackass stuff. So I was clocking mega banks and every wish that I had, any goal that I set would come true quicker than my deadline date. And I fucking ran out of goals.

I feel like you made Jackass though, because you already had like a little mini empire with CKY before even getting onto Jackass. I knew who you were before Jackass. Everybody knows that.

All the fans really say that.

Like people who really grew up with you, 'cause you raised some of us, you know, like we grew up with you and you were like, you were pretty much like one of the first real content creators. If you think about it, like really influencer or whatever the fuck they want to call it.

That's the hottest thing living in Pennsylvania.

And that's the hottest.

That's when Jermaine and Knoxville, they would be in Los Angeles making all these secret deals. Then they do a fucking documentary about how Jackass got created and talking about Big Brother the whole time. And at the very tail end, probably about 5%, oh yeah, and then Ben was doing CKY in Pennsylvania. If you do the math, I sold millions of copies. You fucking barely sold 20,000 copies. Copies of Big Brother's video called Poop and Tit and fucking Crap.

I don't even know. I've never even heard of that. Yeah, I know. Exactly. I know who CKY is.

Never heard of that. I have learned how to fucking forgive and be happy, and I deleted anybody that's given me a problem. But I just want to take my anger out on one person. Jeff Tremaine's too much of a fucking pussy. Knoxville, get into a ring with me. Take off your boxing gloves. 1, 2, 3, I'm fucking done for.

So you're still really angry and hurt with Knox?

Put me through hell, made me pay all this fucking treatment money, and they're filming behind my back while I'm in treatment. So they already set me up to fucking fail, and then, and then as soon as I do the slightest thing wrong, I'm not in the movie. So I paid $100 grand to go to treatment only for me to fuck up, and then now I'm not in the movie. They had it all planned out, and I think Knoxville tried to do this movie called Action Point in South Africa, and they had a $15 million budget, and he tried to do it without us, and it was a fucking flop. They only made $2 million. So when that happens, the label says, you're not free to go. You're either gonna have to pay this back or fucking put your house up for sale or do a Jackass 5. Well, if Bam's not in it, then that's already $6 million, $5 million that we don't have to pay back. So we could already say he's a fucking liability because he's drunk out in front of a hotel room on TMZ. Yeah, well, on Jackass 2, I got a high five for fucking good press when I got a felony charge having Bratz Knuckles at the LAX airport drunk as hell.

It's all what they need from you at the time.

Yeah, but now I'm a liability. Fuck you guys.

I'm just going to say on that note, since we skipped right forward to that, you know, it's funny how recently my DMs and phone calls and text messages— I'm gonna let them all know right now to stop texting him.

Yeah. And if you double dog Knoxville to do any stunt, oh, I'm so brave, I'll have to do it. Why triple dog dare you? You step into a fucking ring with me, you're done for. You're over.

When you say your DMs and stuff like that, who's DMing you and calling?

Well, just in the beginning, I mean, I'll just say, you know, Novak reached out, but I don't even know who he is. So I don't want to get involved with their relationship. I have a 30-year friendship relationship and no one will get involved in that either, you know?

Brandon was around during the CKY days too, wasn't he?

He was.

And you know, I've helped him with over a dozen treatment centers. I've rescued him over a dozen fucking overdoses at the hospital. I've paid for all of his mistakes and I don't want any of that money back now that he's doing good. But like, he stole my S55 Mercedes, $125,000 car when I was in Germany, high on pills to go get more pills, wrecked into the Dean's car, Westchester, fled the scene. They tried to charge me over it till I proved I was in Germany. But he says, you always got to take accountability for your actions. All right, well, you owe me a fucking car. You're buying your 7th treatment house. In Delaware driving around in your Range Rover, you owe me a car.

But even just recently, 'cause I go through his phone, so anybody who's texting, actually I read everything 'cause I'm allowed to, and if I need to change the number I will because there's nobody allowed but our little small circle right now of happiness.

Which is probably what's keeping him safe and sober.

Yeah, I can't have any of that, and I've gone through the phone and I saw the message of like, let's go to the sausage castle and you can knock me out. I'm like, I love Mike, but I'm like, and Mike Busey wasn't the one texting, but Steve-O's asking, asking him to like punch him. Like, we're not— what do you talk— like, we're doing— he's doing great. Like, you should probably want to talk to him and ask how he's doing instead of doing something that would benefit you.

And that's why I like just putting my phone down. I like to just focus right now. We spent all day, every day— like, we are such a fucking powerhouse team that she takes better photos than most of the people on Thrasher.

Those are all my pictures.

I tell her what the angle is, we get the stretches me beforehand, and it's— we just have like a perfect day that I don't need any fucking phone calls interrupting the flow of that. And you know, everybody asked me like, if they did another Jackass, would you want to be— hell no, it is done. Jermaine has ruined the legacy. It was supposed to be a fucking tribute to Ryan Dunn. Now he puts these fucking new hee-haw heads in there, and, and too many balls.

Like, why were we stapling balls the whole time? It was very disturbing.

And all he does is sit behind the count— the camera and say, get hurt in action. Poopies got bitten by a fucking shark. He could have died. And the movie made $150 million in the box office. And apparently he got like less than $40 grand. You can't even buy a fucking Datsun with a used tire on it with that kind of money. Meanwhile, yeah, you had a Hyundai, but you had to sign a contract on Jackass 4. Everybody could get fucked with at any given moment except for Tremaine because he's the director.

No, because he's a fucking So circling back to Steve-O, I had a conversation with him the other day because he's coming on the podcast, and Jay just did his podcast, and I told him that you were coming on, and he said, um, that he is—

I can't—

I'd have to look at the text message, but so much— I think he said around the— like, he's hurt. He's reached out to you and he's hurt because he hasn't heard a response.

I won't let him respond right now, so he could be mad at me, but that's okay. Yeah, maybe when I get, um, to know a little bit more of the situation Right now my focus is his mental health and my relationship. Like, I've only been with this person for 8 months and it went public kind of immediately, which I can handle. But, you know, right now they don't know him anymore. Right now this person is on a whole new chapter. It's not about counting days. It's not about how, you know, it's about he's changed. He's turned a page. And if, if those friendships can survive, then that's great. But right now—

I love Steve-O. When the time is right, we'll We'll talk and everything's cool. But I mean, like, I did his tour. He asked me to go on tour to open up for his comedy show and get some money to pay some legal fee bills of the mess that I'm in. And I completed my mission. Everything was a success. I didn't drink like how he asked. And, and then I find out that he puts all my money in a Phoenix Wolf trust fund when he turns 18. I'm like, I earned that money. Yeah, but we didn't want you to spend it on alcohol or drugs. It doesn't matter. I did the work. Fucking pay me. And it's not like I need your money. I have a fucking couple bank accounts. I could just go right to the store and get some. But like, you're not at liberty to be starting a Phoenix the Wolf trust fund and he gets it when he's 18. It's not— fuck, fuck that.

It sounds to me like you're really hurt and upset and tired of people making fucking decisions for you.

Making decisions for me. And I can't even trust, you know, it's just hard to trust anybody. I don't know what their fucking real agenda is.

Yeah, that's tough. Yeah, that's heavy to not be able to trust anybody like that.

Yeah, I always say friendships are meant to be like they will, right? I mean, they've known each other a really long time.

I'm always 100% bubble of friends that right now is— you know, we have a perfect circle of tight friends and I'm not going to let anybody fucking dent it anymore, right? Viva la bam! I let in so many friends that bubble just burst. Yeah, and you— when you keep giving everybody your phone number, then you start talking to you start forgetting to talk about the important ones. There was a point where my manager Terry Hardy was so great, he would get me fucking commercials to do, right, Card, for a million dollars of one day of work. Yeah. And now I'm pawning off his phone calls to a friend of a friend because I don't have time to fucking answer it now, which I highly regret doing. You know, when I look back at everything, I'm like, shit. Yeah, he had this movie ready for me to go. I was too hungover to make the flight. Flight. And because of that, I think that's when he was just like, you know what, enough is enough. I can't— I just had a lot of money on the line for you to be producing this movie in Hollywood, and you were just too hungover to get on the flight.

Well, I'm done.

I think that circles back to doing this at such a young age and just not appreciating the opportunities because you didn't know, like, you literally grew up doing this. So to you it was just like, oh, another fucking deal, I'll get another one, you know.

And you don't realize $100,000 to spend a week for 65 weeks.

That's unheard of. They would never give somebody a budget like that now.

That's unheard of.

Our meetings at MTV would be fucking bonkers. It's like, so what do you want to do this week? And most people be like, is this guy crazy? I'll be like, how about we paint the entire kitchen blue and then we'll have an elephant come in and we'll make the outside a fucking moat with a drawbridge. And then I'll keep wrecking Don Vito, my uncle's car until he gets fed up and drives my house off a cliff. RIP Don Vito.

Boom.

Done. Deal.

No. Now he saves elephants. Yeah. I love that.

Circling back to you and Ryan Dunn's relationship, let's focus on that for a little bit. You guys were like best of friends.

Yeah.

Take me on that journey with you guys.

Well, we met in— I was in 9th grade, he was in 11th at East High School in West Chester, Pennsylvania. He just moved from Cleveland, Ohio. He was just such a character. He was— he didn't know how to skateboard, and he knew that I was making the CKY video, and he became a part of the crew just because he would be the guy to do the gnarly thing that everybody would back out on, you know. He's big. So, so what does everybody push out on? To get in that wheelbarrow and get pushed off of that 3-story building into this prickly bush? Just give me a shot of Crown Royal, let's get it done and over with. So, so he would be like— we call him Random Hero because he would always save the day. And, um, and we did everything together. Anytime we did an MTV interview, he would always be right there. If I started trailing off or, you know, he would always take over. So to find out that he got in a car accident, it was very devastating because I never had anybody die that I was close to. And I never knew what it felt like.

It was always like, hey, did you hear Aunt Audrey from Pittsburgh died? I'm like, who?

Yeah.

We had Thanksgiving dinner with her 5 Thanksgiving. All right, whatever. Are you gonna go to the funeral? I guess if I have to, I don't know. So anybody that died until then, I never knew. I didn't— You never knew a pain. But then when that— it hit so hard, to the point where I remember we were outside of Phoenix, Arizona. I was doing an appearance the next day, and we were in the woods having a campfire. You could see all the stars, and I'm like, man, I am really happy right now. I couldn't be happier. Then all of a sudden, I just punch out the van window and break it for no reason. And the tour manager was like, why did you do that? I'm like, I don't know. I'm just mad and I don't know why. I just don't know why. Turns out he wrecked at 12:28 in Pennsylvania and I smashed the window at fucking 9:28 in Phoenix. So it's like we had such a connection that I knew something bad happened and I didn't know what till I found out the next morning.

It's like, it was like he was one, like a soulmate.

Like he wanted you to know.

Yeah. Soulmate— soulmates can be your friends too. It's not always a romantic link.

And my mom would always tell him, like, you get these fucking fast cars with these fast engines, you're gonna get into a wreck. He's like, yeah, a fiery wreck. And that's how— and that's how it happened. He wrecked— he flipped me in a car 8 times into oncoming traffic when I was 16 years old in school. He was doing a radio— he was installing radios, and he's like, hop in the car, I got this Jetta.

Not the Jetta.

So we were flying 110 miles per hour. Somebody cut us off. We slid for so long, like a football field. As soon as we hit the, uh, grass in the median, we started flipping into oncoming traffic. My brother got flown out on the last flip. He was 40 feet in like a moat. I could see his feet sticking out. And when I saw him, he was just like— A helicopter had to come get him out. I had a big softball on my head from bashing the window out on the first flip. But I got to thank Chris Rabb because he was sitting next to me and he put my seatbelt on and I ejected. I said, I'm not a pussy. And then he put it on again and then we flipped instantly after the second time he put it on.

Oh my gosh. Yeah. Do you feel like after Ryan's death is kind of when you started spiraling?

Hell yeah. Because I was so lost that I didn't know what to do. It's like, well, now we can't make a CKY video. If we do another Jaggers, it won't be the same. Yeah. And instead of like drinking as a celebration, it was just drinking to forget. And it became a real fucking problem and I didn't even know it. I would always, I was always that guy to go, you know, 90 days and be like, all right, you know, we're going to Ruth's Chris Steakhouse tonight. I could have one wine for dinner. Yeah, it might be one wine that night for dinner, but the next day I'm going to have two. The next day it's going to be two bottles and then I'm out looking for drugs. It always happens that way.

And getting your phone stolen was—

Over a baker's dozen of tries to realize that.

Oh my goodness.

Yeah, so jumping back in, do you think, Bam, um, you know, all the trauma that you've been through— have you had— I know you've been to all— did the Florida Shuffle, but have you ever had any like trauma therapy?

Yeah, I mean, they put me through everything. I like— a part of the, uh, Jackass thing, I had to blow into a Soberlink 4 times a day. I had to pay for $800 of therapy twice a week. Neurofeedback, same thing. Yeah, and, and—

But I think you were forced. I think if you did it like on your own—

I have therapy of hearing sirens when I— because I was on— when I was on that manhunt, it was gnarly. There's 3 helicopters in the sky, 8 police officers circling around trying to find me through the woods. I am a professional at hopping barbed wire fences. I was scared shitless on the 4th one, but on the 8th one I became a pro. And then I drank the Brandywine River because I was dying of thirst. I I slept in a box at a fucking house that I thought was abandoned until they pulled up. And they were so terrified. They come up to unlock the door and they just see a pair of feet hanging out this box. And all of a sudden I just jump out like a bat out of hell. I just go, I'm sorry.

And I keep running down the railroad tracks.

Oh my God. I was fucking Harriet Tubman from the Underground Railroad. I had fairies hide me, take me to an Albanian restaurant. And then they took me from there. Finally, I, I made it to the Jersey Shore at a buddy's house, and, and I was telling random people just to see how far it would go. I told my mom that I was in North Carolina just to see if that would travel anywhere. Sure enough, turns out like, we found out Bam's in North Carolina on a high-speed chase, all Larry'd up, because if he made it to North Carolina that quick, that means he was driving 120 miles per hour. I'm like, that was a lie that I told to my mom just to see how far it would go.

Oh my gosh.

I'm in Jersey, asshole.

There's just so much betrayal and there's so much trauma here. And I think that whenever you're ready to sit down and kind of deal with it without— with it being on your terms, like Danny said, I think it would help you out a lot because you just are so hurt. Yeah, you know, like there's just so much turmoil inside, and that's why you drink, that's why you do the drugs you do, is to hide and cover up all this pain that you have.

And with the relationship, it's all about trust. If you don't have trust, you got nothing.

Right, absolutely. That's 100% right. And now you've got Danny.

Yeah, hell yeah.

Fuck queen. We know there's no filter here. It works for sure.

So how many days sober are you now?

Since August 1st.

Okay, so that's actually a good while. Is that the longest you've been sober?

Well, minus the Florida shuffle, 'cause I was forced to be.

Right, on your own. This is you on your own. On my own, yeah. Yeah, that's amazing.

Love it.

What are you guys' plans to just keep this going? And like, what do you guys do differently now than any other time?

I had known this. All I needed all along was a structured schedule. That's fun because I had no 9-to-5 job. I had no boss ever tell me what to do. And you know, I need a structured bedtime schedule. I know when I'm with her, I'm in bed by 9:30.

Yeah, I texted her last night at like 9:30.

I texted her at 9:30. I woke up at 10:00. Woke up this morning, I was like, I missed something.

We were in bed and, you know, he was already asleep. And that's why I love having the dogs, because we wake up, I walk the dogs, we take care of— if I, if I can't take care of myself, I can't take care of the dogs. But we walk the dogs, she stretches me, we go to the gym, then I look for a skate spot, she shoots the skate photo or films it for me, we get it done, we go get something to eat, and then I either paint or read or write or edit or whatever it is. It's a whole fun structured schedule. And Steve-O would always tell me, dude, if you just get sober, you'll see that neat things will happen. I'm like, well, I've been sober and the only neat things that happen is nothing because I'm forced to go to treatment. I'm forced to go to AA to learn that alcohol is bad, it's not any good. I'm forced to go to therapy. I'm forced to go to neurofeedback. Nothing fun is happening at all.

Right. I couldn't imagine. Could you? Our personalities. I could not imagine someone making me swallow a pill and put me in a room with no freaking music or my phone or you or a text. They want you to go crazy.

And I gotta say this.

I mean, it's like a setup for disaster.

How come the fucking FBI or no one has done research about this Amanda Rabb client that Lima, my guardian, she died under her care and she changed the autopsy saying that it wasn't from what she died from, it was from a cardiac arrest seizure, which is what I started getting as soon as I met her.

And it's online. So these things that are being said, she's already tried to go—

I did, I read about it.

She tried, but it's on the internet. I mean, people are now aware of her lies.

People aren't still in her care, are they?

Well, I don't know, they better not be.

People are backing up from her.

She made me talk about this neato fucking helmet that she made.

Listen to this.

And I put on this helmet and she forced me to say how neat it is and how it helps with therapy. In one eye, you see a little fucking kitten drinking milk, and then the other eye, you see a Tyrannosaurus Rex is coming at you at full speed trying to eat eat you. And she's like, which eye do you pick? I picked the kitty cat. You're on the right path. No shit, I'm on the right fucking path. Why would I pick the left eye, which is a T-Rex coming at me to eat me?

So they're basically using like psychedelic, you know, things to kind of trick your brain, right? And you know, if I went down the rabbit hole of BJ Investigates, and that's, that's how I— when he was sleeping and resting, I wanted to know. And Pamela and BJ are friends, and they showed me that I started to understand the system even working in the shuffle. I was familiar with it.

Right.

And then watching how they use certain tools to manipulate the brain and they can keep them. So there's a word for it. And it's a very scary—

All BJ Investigates wanted to do was free Bam. She started the Free Bam movement. So if you're against that, then you're against me.

BJ is a big, big deal with the Free Britney movement. So she's the one, in case Not just Bam, but she's uncovered the Wendy Williams recently, Casey Kasem back in the day. She's someone who is speaking for those—

We need to get her on the podcast.

I'll definitely connect you two. Let's not forget, this isn't just happening to famous people. This is happening to someone like you and I. Well, you're, you know, crazy.

I don't care about that.

But I mean, just like you and I sitting in a room and your mom thinks you're okay and you're not because the person that's in control of you is a liar and money hungry.

No, we went through this with our daughter. We had to put her in a treatment center last year in September, and I researched everything because I was so scared of something like what happened to you happening to her.

So it's scary.

I mean, yes, mental health system, yes, fucking nightmare.

We definitely don't want to bash the good ones.

I'm sorry.

I went to Aurora Mental Health in Pasadena, California, and I was just talking to the other people. I'm like, so what happened to you? He's like, I was just here for a 48-hour hold. And then they found out that I had insurance and I had nowhere to go. And I've been here for fucking 150 days.

They keep you like a shell. Like, it's really scary.

And I can't even get on the phone and I don't even know who I would call for help. But they found— I was only on a 48-hour hold and then they found out I had insurance and I had nowhere to go. I've been here for 150 fucking days. I'm like, this is fucked up.

And then if you go and say you kind of need help, like we just had a friend and we're not going to name drop him, but he was going through kind of the same thing that Bam's going through with custody, and he said he just had a couple bad days and he went to 5150, or he went and they 5150'd him and he had to check out. He was like, I don't belong here. Like, I just am having some personal issues and asking for help. They put him in with, you know, the people that really need help. So it's like you're having a bad day, you can't really get the help, and then once you do, you're labeled, you're in the system, and they want your money.

If you're in a mental institution and you're hanging out with dudes that are fucking yelling at the trash can saying, why didn't you marry me and the other one's trying to fucking French kiss their own sneaker, you're gonna start doing that shit too over time.

It could be fun for a day.

Yeah, you can't beat them, join them.

Why? Because everybody else is.

Just grab your sneaker and make out, it's fine.

Oh my God, Bam, just hearing this stuff is just fucking wild, dude. Like, it is crazy. This is— it hurts my heart for you, honestly.

Yes.

You seem like such a jovial dude.

The best thing to do is just to just shut your fucking cocksucker, because the more you talk, the more they can hold against you. My one buddy, Hannafin, called me from the mental institute. She's like, Bam, you don't understand, I don't I don't belong here, you gotta get me outta here. And I hear, koom, koom, koom. I'm like, are you banging your head against the wall? He's like, yeah. I'm like, you just bought yourself another month, you idiot.

Don't do that, then you're definitely sick.

Don't do that, you hot air buffoon. You just bought yourself, yeah, bang your head against the wall. That's a real good idea.

He's actually really good in the gym too, this one. This one has been giving himself benefits for.

Ah, let's talk about some good stuff. So what are you doing now that's different? Like you're getting stretched, which I just discovered stretching this year because I too, I heard you say something that you had ripped your thing, your hamstring. I was fucking doing a TikTok thing. I fucking like was joking around and like doing this fucking stupid dance, not like a genuine TikTok dance, but I was like making fun of something and snapped my fucking, uh, Achilles heel in half, dude.

That is so painful, bro.

It's still fucked up. And this was on Halloween. Yeah. And I fucking was like, fuck that, I gotta start stretching.

Oh yeah.

And, and that's what I've been doing is stretching, and it's phenomenal.

Yeah. I thought that there there was no hope for me. Like, I was even— I was putting tacks in the— in my calf muscles. Like, there was a bunch of calves. My friend was like, what are you doing? I'm like, I'm putting tacks in. Why? I'm like, to relieve the pain.

Oh my gosh.

So like, that's how stiff they were from just alcohol abuse and all the medication, the side effects of stiff muscles. It was for real. It was that painful. And, and, uh, one yoga guy was like, just reach down and touch your toes, see if you can do it. I doubt I can. And I went, and my hamstring popped right here. I was out for a I even— when I got out of treatment, they let me skate a 3-foot halfpipe with my friend Jeff Rasp, and I didn't even get to drop in yet. I ran up the 3-foot ramp and basically got such a cramp that I couldn't do it anymore. Tried the easiest trick on the planet, looped out because some little shit-ass waxed the coping like a fucking Eskimo, and I hyperextended my elbow to the bone coming out and broke my wrist for the 16th time, and my arm still won't go straight. Straight from it.

It's getting better.

My gosh.

We'll straighten that shit out too.

So stretching, working out, being on a regimen.

Dogs.

Dogs.

He has such a good relationship with them. That's like another thing, not to backtrack, but—

Did you never have animals before?

I've always had cats because—

Okay, gotcha.

Yeah, but anytime I would have a dog, I leave too much, I travel too much, so a friend would watch them. And when a friend watches your dog for a month and it's a brand new puppy, you come back and they're like, I can't give this back to you. I'm like, I I get it.

Yeah, gotcha. But you know, Bam, I think a lot of his friends will say like, you know, bringing up how he has been in this world for so long that he's always had people around him. And sometimes they'll say, gosh, I just can't believe you're letting him go hiking with the dogs. I'm like, letting him hike with the dogs? Like, what do you mean letting him? Like, number one, I get a free moment to hang out and watch maybe some trash TV for a second. And then, you know, I'm thinking and learning that people have never left. Let him be, like, alone.

Let him be a human.

Just be in the woods. And I've— they've kind of created anxiety for me, which, who wants that? I don't want him going, you can't go work out in the woods, you know? It's like, who wants that relationship? So if Bam's gonna fuck up, he's gonna fuck up. He knows what he's gonna lose if he fucks up.

It sounds like he's finding peace though.

Yeah.

I don't feel like you've ever had peace your entire life.

And I just, like, I'm saying, I let him just go do his thing.

Which is one thing that was We have such a harmonious day. Harmony is what I needed. And man, I just—

Spending time like alone with the dogs and he takes them for hikes, like things that, you know, at 40-degree weather. Pennsylvania is very cold for me. So yeah, I'm not hiking at 5 AM with them.

I don't want to.

But he goes and does that and it gives them time to bond with the dogs and it gets him, you know, they have their own little relationship, which I love.

I'm starting to think so. You know what? But maybe the interventionist really thought that I was schizophrenic because some of the stories that I tell just seems like a nut in treatment. Like I was telling somebody, yeah, so I shipped my purple Lamborghini to North Korea because Kim Jong-il likes sports cars and he wouldn't let me drive it around, but he let me park it at the airport. And then Iggy Pop played my wedding and Billy Idol cut the roof off of the Lamborghini. He's probably like, this guy is fucking batshit crazy. But if you look it up on YouTube, you're going to find that shit.

You've lived 20 lives.

He really has. Yeah, I mean, the people that he knows are insane.

I feel like you guys talking about shipping his Lamborghini for Kim Jong-il. Nobody goes to North Korea and he probably doesn't even have a Lamborghini. Fuck you, it's all true.

I feel like the reason why you're so happy right now is because you actually don't have to put on a show every day. You don't have to please anybody else but yourself and Danny, and you're actually just being able to be Bam. And I think you're finding who you are now.

And I have a strict diet. The only thing I eat is pussy meat.

Yeah.

Oh.

Well, I mean, that doesn't sound like a bad diet at all. It's not a bad diet. And I mean, I don't blame you. It's like sushi. It's like filet mignon over here, you know?

Filet lobster.

Are you eating healthier though and stuff like that? I'm sure Danny has you eating healthier.

Once my leg—

He's actually a healthy eater.

So good now that all I want to do is eat right. And I really don't— I never thought the day would come— to where I, I would stop. Because it's always free if you're at a nightclub. You wouldn't do a bump in the bathroom? Sure, you know. And then, you know, you get really addicted to it.

Not these days, you'll die in the bathroom.

I've been on the ground on this rug with a fucking microscope looking for crumbs, you know. And I'm like, I'm never gonna stop. It's just a matter of time I'm gonna do it again. Now I don't feel that way. You could put it right in front of me, I'll flush it down the toilet. Don't want any.

But you know, like, people always say— forget the haters online too, like, I can't believe you're fucking bad, blah blah. Number one, my mind your business, fuck who I want.

Right.

And number 2, I wasn't gonna leave him as a person. I'm a good person, a people person, and the people that I believe we're connected to, and when you have a connection, it was whether we were gonna last sexually or not, or what, booty call or not, I still wanted to be his friend. Be his friend, yeah. And when he, especially in Hollywood, it's so hard to find normal people in this world as it is, but when he did have to go to Pennsylvania and we had the 2 days together, which people don't know, The judge gave him 2 days with me before I had to leave. And the attorney, because I was upset, and the attorney said, you know, you guys have to have him in by Sunday. And this was Friday. So we had a couple of 2 really good days. And I remember saying like, he just said, just don't leave me here because they're going to shuffle me. Like, he knew that if he stayed in the system, we weren't going to be able to see each other.

With the little tiff with my brother when we went to court, we flew in from California. My Bentley was there parked at the LAX airport because we thought we were coming right back. We put the dogs up. And, and he's like, you're sentenced to stay in Pennsylvania for 3 months. I'm like, but your honor, we live in California. My car's in the airport. Our dogs are there. And my brother lives at my house. So he's like, ain't my problem. Yeah, it's my problem. It's a fucking big one. So now the judge basically— I can't even go home.

I'm gonna go get your car.

I was like, what do you want me to do? Float around of Motel 6s around fucking Pennsylvania? All day for— why am I sentenced to be in Pennsylvania? All my stuff, I moved to California. Well, tough shit. Like, yeah, it's very tough.

So that's when you know you like somebody, because basically I had to fly back to LA by myself. I had a lot to think about. And then I went to my best friend Heather's house in Hollywood and La Brea, and I'm like— and his good friend Dre, you know, a few good people were— I said, what do I do? And they're like, go get him. He had 8 days, and he said, if you don't come get me on the 8th day, they're going to keep me here. So basically everyone gathered, got his— I got his Bentley, they checked the oil, they made sure it was fine. I grabbed the dogs, Heather packed me up, Dre packed me up.

Two dogs in the Bentley?

Two dogs in the Bentley and me and enough to get across the Pacific. That's a fucking— that's a TV show.

It took me 5 days.

Yeah, it took me 5 days to get there.

Really like made me appreciate everything again. We'll be on a road trip and I'll just like pull over on the side of the road. She'll be like, what are you doing? I'm like, just appreciating this view for a moment.

Yeah.

Like you gotta understand.

Probably sees it different than we do.

I was locked away. The only outside I got to see was a fucking barbed wire fence to smoke a cigarette. Brutal.

God, it's like prison.

And it's such a dick move because the beach is literally right there.

This doesn't feel helpful.

That's terrible.

Yeah, they make it seem all nice on the brochure. It's right by the beach in Del Rey. Yeah, but I'm locked up and the beach is right there and you won't even let me go to it.

That is so sad. So you guys are engaged now?

We are.

Is there gonna be a wedding?

Yeah, yes, but we wanted to—

Okay, I want to be the flower girl.

Okay, perfect.

I don't have one. And Jay gets to be the ring bearer.

Yay!

No, we don't want to take it from Phoenix.

We really want, you know, like Yellow Wolf or Tokyo Hotel or something to play during it, and that's not an easy thing because you need the lighting and the stage and all that, so it's not something that's gonna happen soon. We're gonna plan this really well.

Yeah, yeah, it happened, you know, it was just a fun day, and then I forget that people zoom in on us now, Yeah. So I wasn't gonna take the ring off, even though it was like a cute little antique. He made me pick his hand.

He's like, "Pick a hand." Yeah, tell me how it happened.

Yeah, it was really cute. So there was this house in Pennsylvania, Mrs. Pamela Duff, that they have that has a waterfall and a lot of potential to live.

So, hold on, to sum it up, the Duff family, Ed Duff is a pro skateboarder for Tony Hawk's company, Birdhouse, and me and him are friends, and when I had nowhere to go and I'm sentenced to stay in Pennsylvania and I can't even go home, he said, "Come stay with me." 'cause they own Duff Electric, they have a bunch of properties.

And you couldn't stay in your own house?

No, so they took us in and they had this really nice house that they wanted to, that they just owned, but it needs a lot of work and it's right on the Delaware River in this cool town called New Hope, which is like this cool little beach town.

But you're gonna leave out a fun detail and the girls need a detail. Yeah, we need the girly details. So, I'm a butterfly mom, I raise butterflies, I've been doing it for like 9 years. I wanna be a bee mom one day too. So I saw potential at this place. He was talking skate parks. I saw the waterfall. Pamela just would love for us to live there 'cause she's ready for another project.

Right.

And I see in the front, I'm like, "Ooh, that'd be a cool butterfly garden," you know? And I'm like looking around 'cause it used to be a restaurant. So there's a lot of potential, but could be a little crazy. So as we're like driving, which I thought when we were in the Poconos, I was in the worst outfit, this purple jumpsuit with a beanie. And he takes me to this like heart-shaped hotel and I'm like, I'm like, not this outfit, please Lord, no. I was thinking like, I hope he's not being like romantic in a weird, this heart, you know what I mean? It was like heart-shaped. I'm like, okay, not looking too good. Long story short, it was that night that we left that place. Nothing happened. So I was like, oh cool. I was like, that was fun. So then we're like driving, driving, driving. And he literally goes, oh my gosh, do you know? And it was pitch black. It was like 10 o'clock at night. And he's like—

But we were just having such a good road trip listening to all of our— favorite music, and I noticed that that was the house that we wanted to fix up and everything. So I just pulled over.

In the butterfly garden.

I had these rings in my hand. Once, once I kissed her at the, at the Duff property, I threw the rings near the waterfall. They're still sitting in there somewhere. We haven't been back long enough to go find them again.

Okay, so he proposed to you with the rings. Pick one. Pick one and then threw them.

Yeah.

Such a bam move.

And then he brings these rings and I'm like, okay. And then he like sat up against this little wall and he's like, will you marry me? And I'm like, are you fucking around? Like, are you kidding or whatever? 'Cause we were like sitting in that little butterfly garden and it was just like super cute and romantic. He knows I'm not like all blingy and need anything crazy. So it was just really fun. And I was like, well, duh, yeah. Like if you're being serious, you know, we kept it quiet for a little bit. But then of course those little people out there got ahold of my finger and were zooming in. So they started asking questions. I'm like, oh yeah, I guess they think they should say something, that a really good friend of mine asked, so I told her yes, and then that's how we know Leigh-Anne with us. So you're in good hands with her because she's like, can I talk about it? I just looked at him, I'm like, well, I'd rather someone talk about it from us before they start talking about it.

Before the rumors start.

As you know.

Yeah.

So then I was like, all right, let's talk to her, and here we are.

It's been crazy. So what does 2024 have for Bam and Danny? What do you guys have planned? I know you guys are doing all these horror cons We're booked till like October, which is exciting.

Save or die and save the world or what we can.

We skate, we save. Well, I'm the big animal saver.

Save the world or what we can of it tour.

So like he skates and I'm like, you know, we were in New Orleans and the people are just walking over the pit bull. I'm in all glam.

Yeah.

And I'm like, I'm gonna cry. I'm gonna cry. Glam's gone.

I'm like holding the pit bull.

He was all broken.

Everybody walking past the dog, like he's just searching for food, starving to death. They're just like, I was like, look at, they didn't want anything to do with it. And she gets out, she's all done up like this because we have to go to a horror comic con.

I just picked the dog up.

And we're in the ghetto at the skate park under a bridge. They were probably like, who is this chick that just pulled up in a purple fucking Bentley to save this dog with fleas all over it?

Don't care. But then, you know, the skater community, people don't understand how rad they are. So these two like rad chicks come over, they're like, do you need help? These skater chicks. And I said, well, I just called the SPCA and she happened to have a 561 number, West Palm, me, I had the same area code. So she scooped him right up, took him out of hell. And it's just, it's a good balance because I'm not a skateboarder, but I can kind of fit in anywhere. And the skate parks we go to unfortunately aren't very, they're not in the best areas. So you see a lot.

And you always find weed there.

Well, yeah, true. But you see like the cats and the dogs and it's It's sad because to bring up the world we live in, everyone wants to play pickleball and tennis and basketball when the skate parks are like in the middle of bad places that you really don't wanna take your 6-year-old after 5 o'clock. So those are the places that we're hitting up and opening my eyes to this world needs to change.

And we'll be sitting there fucking planning shit and I'll be like, I thought the rule is no phones. Hold on, I'm saving a goat from fucking Idaho right now. I'm like, give me that. You really are doing that.

Yeah, we have like a phone thing, but I'm like, hold on. I'll have to pledge on this elephant real quick.

That is hilarious.

It's true. I'm like, most of the time I'm on my phone, I'm just yelling at the mayor of LA or screaming with PETA.

What are you doing? I'm calling 911.

Why? Pedaling to death.

Because this guy got arrested for trying to save dogs. He's getting a trespass charge. Wayne. Yeah, what's up with that Wayne situation?

Wayne and Zoe Rooster, you're gonna see hopefully the Today Show here soon.

They're ready.

I love that.

I want to tell you guys, when Jay and I we first got together, we immediately went out on tour, and it's the best bonding experience for a couple. It will either make or break you. You guys are either meant to be together or not. Once you guys are in a car, fucking traveling all the time, like working together, that's when you really figure out what you guys are about. And you fall in love fast because you get to know somebody so personally and so quickly.

Totally. And there's a lot of things that I didn't know. You know, if we show up in Indiana and I have a bunch of friends there to do a Comic-Con and we're only there for 2 days, like, she'll be like, I know you guys got to see him and I'm sorry, but we're having fucking date night tonight because, you know, I'm like, cool.

You know, I never had the courage to say— I'm like, it's 8 PM.

Everybody come along to date night.

Yeah. I'm like, it's 8 PM. We're done. He's like, another hour. Nope. I'm in bed by 10. Dateline's on. I need Keith Morrison.

I think he needs you because nobody has ever really been able to not tell you no. Or like, I don't even know if the word— I think it's you guys run wild together. You just have more structured wild.

Structured wild.

You know, I was at the hotel, it's 10 o'clock, and I was like, you have tamed the Apollo.

I'm all sick.

I'm like, Apollo? What does that supposed to mean? You've tamed the Apollo? What do you mean? You've got me in bed by 10. I'm very impressed. You've tamed the Apollo.

And then you really just go to sleep, but you don't have sleeping problems or anything?

No, I was always on so much Trazodone and Seroquel, and I thought I needed that to sleep, but at the end of the day, I'm so exhausted from skating and going to the gym and been, you know, having such a fun, productive day that I sleep on time.

Are you 100% sober? Yeah, raw dog in life.

Just a couple puffs of weed.

Yeah, yeah, I mean, that's sober to me.

Yeah, totally sober to me. And he has a medical card, people, relax.

Yeah, I don't think weed— there's, you know, you know, there's— everybody has a different definition of sober. I'm completely straight.

Water and skateboarding is my medicine.

Someone just told that the other day. They're like, well, then you're not 100% sober. Like, he's fine.

There's They're California sober and they're straight edge. I'm straight edge, my husband's California sober. He'll drink and he smokes weed all day. Some people have to have a vice. I would love to have a vice, but my anxiety, the way it's set up, I can't.

It's just drinking pussy meat, my vice.

See, weed for me is something that just levels my brain out, so that's why I smoke.

I'm never gonna call a vagina a vagina again. It's strictly pussy meat from now on.

That was the word of the month when we first started dating at the restaurants. I was like, can we not say that in the middle of 4 PM?

Geez.

He'd be like, is her pussy meat on the menu? I'm like, oh my God, I'm just gonna go to the bathroom. Oh my God.

Shock value, that's what I'm after. You know how to handle it.

I think you guys are fucking adorable, and I love seeing him so happy. Like, that really makes me happy to see him.

Well, I'm just learning. Yeah, learning. Like, the— you guys and the fans that have loved him so much are teaching me, like, where he really was. I mean, I knew he had some things going on, but when I'm, you know, the best part about working with him and seeing, you know, helping run the show and make sure he's downstairs and the fan, you know, I say hi to them. They're so, most of the time they've been really nice to me. I know it's just the trolls. His fans that are in line are very sweet to me.

They're not coming— Bam's iconic.

They're not coming up trying to spit in my face or whatever, but you know, they're teaching me so much about him. And I love all the people that are coming up and saying that you're helping them get through recovery or They're just so proud of you to be back on the skateboard. It's amazing to see the skateboarding community. They're so stoked to see him back on the skateboard. There's so many people rooting for me. I'm learning like what a badass skateboarder he was.

You have to watch all the CKYs. You have to make her watch. You have to make her slumber one day and do that. You have to watch them because then you'll really—

She's seen like bits and pieces.

I've seen bits and pieces.

The last one she saw, she's like, so hold on, Ryan Dunn was drunk at the bar in Westchester and he's like all drunk. He's like, if we're in Iceland, Iceland tomorrow, I would have gone off that water, that 40-foot waterfall. I'm like, but you didn't last time because you wussed out. Yeah, but if we were there tomorrow, I would do it. I'm like, sign this right here. Next day he wakes up and I'm like, you signed the contract and I bought crazy tickets to Iceland. He's like, son of a bitch. So we get there, we didn't even scope anything out. I found a random-ass barrel on the side of the road, sealed it up, pushed them off.

I'm like, you did that to Ryan.

I'm like, you pushed him What if something bad happened? I'm like, we really didn't think about that. We're fucking—

I looked up, but like, that was—

Yeah, crazy.

What's your relationship with Billy Vallo now?

It's good. We saw him, um, at his last tour in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. We went up with Jimmy Pop from the Bloodhound Gang, and, um, it was rad catching up with him.

But, um, quiet, quiet, quiet.

You know, the last time— the first time he went to treatment, we were at the, um, Château Marmont. He— and we just got a deal signed for him to be on Warner. They got a really good deal. And, um, he was drinking a lot, and he knew I had a prescription to Adderall, and he kept asking me for one. And I'm like, dude, I've given you enough. And, and he's like— I'm like, you know what, just because it's you, I'm not gonna say no. So he like started hyperventilating, and, um, an ambulance came. And that was the first time he went to treatment. And I think Warner Brothers found out that that I was the one that had my prescription that he kept asking for, which kind of sucks because, you know, I didn't drink at all. I didn't drink till I was, well, 23 years old and all that. And when I was hanging out with him in Helsinki, Finland, I was so mesmerized by just how rad he was that when we stayed in the same hotel together, he opened up the minibar and cracked open a beer. I'm like, you're just drinking in the day?

I thought people only do that at nighttime.

That's crazy.

He's like, I'm like, I'm not going to let you do it alone. So that was the first time I've been introduced to, like, day drinking.

That's crazy.

Tables turned to where I'm the fucking bad—

When did you start using drugs?

Probably about—

Tell the truth.

I'd say 24 or 25. That's wild.

I would've thought it would've been so younger.

We were in Davos, Switzerland doing this thing called the Winter Jam for MTV. Sum 41 was playing and this band called Guano Apes and Jackass was there to host the whole thing. And I remember we were staying at this nice hotel in the Alps and somebody like started putting these lines out on the table. And that was the first time I tried it. And I had a massage booked right after that. I'm like, oh God, I got a massage. All right. If everybody else is doing it, I'll do it. And I did it. I was getting a massage like, when are you going to be fucking done? I can't even relax.

God, I couldn't imagine my first fucking bump of coke and I'm getting massage. I would go crazy. There's no way.

But never— that's why I'm terrified of a needle. Never messed with heroin or anything.

I was surprised.

What's the hardest drugs you've done?

Probably just meth and coke. Anything upper. Yeah, you know, like, shocking. I don't know why people would do heroin or Valium and show up to a bar and fall asleep into their beer. It makes no sense.

Yeah, I used to be one of those.

I love Xanax.

Yeah, Xanax was my shit.

I love it.

That was an upper.

Anna Nicole, I used to call myself—

like, I would only take that if I was on like an airplane. But man, you have one beer on a Xanax, you're fucking loud.

Oh, lit. Just lit. It's a party.

There's the closet problem.

I appreciate you guys coming on the podcast, and I look forward to seeing you guys just blossom. And I really feel like this is a new friendship for all of us too, because my husband loves you and I love you.

So yeah. I already told Jen and Jesse, yeah, we need to— us three can be on the bus and you guys You guys can get your own bus.

Are you guys gonna come see us on tour?

We are. For sure.

In San Antonio. Yay, yeah, come to a show. We always have so much fun and it's just, I have, the girls have their own bus, the boys have their own bus, and I know all the band would love to see you guys. And I'll steal Melissa.

I wanna let them know Melissa Quinn, Michael Quinn, they love you. So the boys will be together, we'll steal her. Melissa actually manifested this. I love her. I love that. She kept saying that you and I would get along great and that was literally 2 days later had your phone number. I'm like, this is crazy.

Ah, I love it. I'm so happy that we were able to work this out.

No, well, hopefully Jenna can come, but, um, Melissa and Michael will go, right? Meet her then.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you guys for coming. What you got? You want to shout out your socials so everybody— I'm sure everybody knows where to find you, but you guys go ahead.

Danbury Official.

They are the Captain Cream Stain or Captain Crème Brûlée or something.

I don't know. Just save a dog.

Just Google Bam Margera. You guys will find everything.

I think maybe the fans are realizing, like, they wanted to see me, uh, every now and then, but I'm just gonna blast them with shelter dogs. So please adopt.

Yeah, I watched your story the other day, it was all dogs. I was like, I love this girl.

I go through my moments where I'm like, shoo, shoo, shoo, and I'm like, calm down.

Everybody wants to give shoutouts and plugs, everything. I give a plug to Curiosity Donuts from fucking Doylestown. They're awesome.

Yeah, I love that.

They only open on Wednesdays because they They make them so fresh.

Oh my God, we'll have to try it on tour. We'll go on tour. We'll literally say, "Bam recommended this," and do a whole TikTok on it. It'll be awesome. There you go.

Black Rifle Coffee, rock and roll.

Thank you guys so much for coming.

You're stuck with us.

I appreciate you.

Love you too.

Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Dumb Blonde. I'll see you guys next week, bye.