Transcript of #3144 Crappy Hour 1/5/26: Catty Cults

Well, hello, and welcome to the first crappy hour of 2026.

I'm Roni, and that's been Hello, Hi.

Hello, Roni. How are you doing?

Good. What's going on with you this fine New Year night?

Oh, what is going on? Well, I don't know if you heard, but I had to leave my mom group. It was just too toxic. No, they were God. I went on to Instagram and I saw that Hilary Duff was hanging out with Megan Trehner without me, and I just started to cry tears of joy. I thought this joy is too intense for me. I need to leave this group because I'll be just too happy knowing that Megan Trehner does not want to hang out with me. I'd rather just be in a state of wondering if she'd want to hang out with me. That's where I'm at.

For those of you who don't know what Ben's talking about, Ashley Tisdale just came out with a bombshell article about being very upset about what transpired in her mom group. Who's in this mom group? Megan Treanor. First of all, don't be in a mom group with Megan Treanor. I know.

That's where begins and ends.

Honestly, one of the most obnoxious people on the planet. Why would you do to yourself? Who else is in there?

Hilary Duff, Mandy Moore. I don't know who else. Can people tell us in the comments? Honestly, the big takeaway for me is that Ashley Tisdale is 40. That was the thing. That was a record scratch moment for me. I was like, I know our millennials are aging now. Our elder millennials are now in their 30s and 40s, and I'm barely accepting that. But Ashley Tisdale from high school musical is 40? What? In That makes me have to realize that our Laguna Beach kids are 38, 39. It's very difficult for me. But I don't know who else is in that group. Does anyone know? People are saying...

Let me see here. Let me read some of these comments. Somebody said, I think Mandy Moore was the real hit. Yeah. It was Mandy Moore. Oh, God. Mandy Moore is being in the mommy group?

She unfollowed, I think, Mandy Moore and Hilary Duff. But then, Carrie in the comment says, Ashley Tisdale is also Maga, and I think the others are not. So that could be That could be an issue. I will say this. I know this is big news in the world, this whole thing about her leaving the mom group. Some of us have been watching people leave the mom groups for years, which is called the End of a Real Housewife Season.

This isn't our first time. It's just Bravo in general. We've seen this forever. Remember they had that show on Bravo about the moms? It was like, There goes the Momber hood, or something like that, and you refused. That was one of the only shows Ben was like, I refuse. I think we did the first one, and you were like, I'm putting my foot down.

This isn't it. Because it was so scripted. It was too scripted for me. It didn't feel authentic at all. I understand that these shows have a degree of production and there's producer manipulation, but I don't want to see the seams. That's why I like Bravo shows because I feel like by and large, they are really well done. Whereas if you go on to E or you go on to certain Netflix shows, Hulu shows, it's just like you almost can see the producer off camera, waving their arms and holding up saying, Ask this question. I mean, it's just it's too much. Yeah.

Michael Horn says, Crystal Kang-Minkoff said one of her childhood friends is in this group, which is hilarious. She just saw this. Crystal Kang-Minkoff loves a getting kicked out of a mommy group story because she had her own of the 16 friends or the 14 friends, whatever. I like that she's even friends with somebody in a group that kicks somebody out. A lot of kicking out going on in these friend groups, these mom friend groups.

The kicker or the kicky? Which one is he going to be, bitch?

Well, I, Ashley Tisdale, I don't know about her politics. I don't know really anything about her, except her name's stupid. I will say this, though. I don't want somebody in my mom group who's going to go run to the press every time there's a problem in mom group. I think that that's just a symptom of what person that is, okay? Because mom group is mom group. We don't talk about mom group outside of mom group. Only our gay sons are allowed to go talk about it.

By the way, Ashley Tisdale is denying that she's a Republican, according to a very quick Google search. Who knows? Who knows what's at the core of this?

Erin said, Crystal called herself a trendsetter. That's funny. I met Crystal the other day.

Ashley was wearing- Ashley was wearing- Oh, yeah. Go on. No, I was saying she was wearing ugly leather pants. Go on.

I went to Shane Douglas's birthday party. Shane Douglas of the Jeff Lewis Show and Camp, the Jeff Lewis Camp. It was his birthday. He's so cute. Ben was busy, but I When he went to his birthday party, it was so much fun. I finally met Crystal Kongmincoff. What a lovely lady. We've met on DMs because she used to listen to Krappens when she was on it and told us, and we said, Please don't. I'm not apologizing to you, so please stop listening. We didn't know her in real life, and it was so nice to meet her. What a lovely, lovely lady. Hopefully, we'll have her on here soon to talk because, of course, I was like, Give me your number. You're coming on our show. But that was really fun. Shannon Bedore was there as well. Looking gorgeous. She looks great. Now, Shannon, I did talk to a bit, but I'm not as like, Hey, girl, what's up? Like with Crystal, I was like, Okay, let's talk and be friends. But with Shannon, I'm still talking shit about Shannon, so I can't get too close. But she is so fucking funny. First of all, she looks amazing.

She was sitting there. I think she came close to me to get a break, which little did she know. You're not going to get a break coming to stand next to me. She sat there, she's going through her phone, and just in her own world. Finally, I'm talking to somebody, and 10 minutes later, I turned around. I was like, What are you doing? You've been on your phone. I looked at what she was doing. I said, Why are you just looking at all these pictures of yourself? Because everyone kept coming by and taking pictures with Shannon. I said, What are you doing? A photo booth? She was like, No, I have to find a good picture. Don't even worry. Don't worry about it. I'm just trying. I said, Well, they all look fine. You look good. She legit looked gorge. I'm like, Who cares? And someone's like, Oh, Jeff is trying to set her up with Steve Gutenberg. So it turns out on his... I don't even know how this came up. But apparently Jeff is trying to set this lady up with Steve Gutenberg. So we're all going through his... Well, by we all, I meant me.

I immediately brought up his Insta, and I was like, Whoa, Steve Gutenberg. But then there's some shirtless pictures, and I was like, Oh, Steve Gutenberg, Shannon, you deserve this. You deserve a break today, okay? Mcdonald's this shit. And she's like, Well, I don't care about what's in your heart. I said, He has a tiny robot. Shannon has not seen Short Circuit, so she didn't get that. I was like, Read the fucking movie. You're not allowed to date Steve Gutenberg. Also, what mother were you that you didn't show your child Short Circuit?

Did you also remind Shannon that he is a proud protector of the peace as a member of a police force? I have to assume he still has that, given that he did graduate from a police academy once or three or four times. I was like, Bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop.

Steve Gutenberg.

I love that. That's why I was, Listen, I only watch Police Academy for the sound effects guy and Sharon Stone.

Yeah. Someone said, Yeah, Jeff is just trying to give you a happy life. I said, Yeah, what Jeff is trying to do is give you a very happy relationship so then he can ruin your relationship. You know how this goes, right? It's like, Oh, I don't know. It's not a relationship. It's not a relationship. I barely know him. So we'll see.

I mean, he said he just, And I, in the 1980s. I mean, he does like to take care children. That's why he raised a child with two other men. I enjoy that. Steve Gutenberg is a hero these days. It was almost exactly a year ago that he famously helped evacuate many people from the Palestine's fire. If that happens, Shannon is going to wind up with a hot commodity. I'll tell you one thing, I have a feeling that Steve Gutenberg eats vegetables. I hope that works out.

Yeah. That was a really fun night A lot of people were there. A lot of the Chumpy Chumps were there. Ryan Bailey, La Kendra Chucks, Joey Zausig, who's very himself. How's it going? Happy New Year. Happy New Year. Oh, my God. I don't know. I saw my ex. It's great. I'm not even thinking about it. I don't even think about it anymore. I don't even think about it anymore. I don't even think about him anymore. It was a good breakup. It was a good breakup. The guy just goes on and on about the most personal things. I'm like, Well, good Good to see you. I don't even think about it anymore. You're talking about it to an almost stranger at a party, but good for you. Glad you're getting over this, buddy.

I wish I could have been there. I had a long time previously scheduled board game to play that started at 11: 00 in the morning and ended at 2: 00 in the morning. One does not seem like that without causing huge ripples. That's sexy. Sorry, but I had some spaceships to move around a table for 12 hours. But honestly, I would have loved to have gone, and I hope that they had a great time.

Everybody was really sweet. Jeff was sure to tell me he loves having you on his show without me, which was very kind. He's like, Wow, Ben is so much better without you. I was like, Okay, thanks. People are asking, Was Kelly Dodd there? No, Kelly Dodd was not there. That saved my lungs. I think she was actually at Mar-a-Lago for New Year's. Oh, well, there's There's a shocker. There's that. Also, that show came out. This member's only Palm Beach since we've been gone. Speaking. Yeah, people have gone crazy for this show. Have you seen it?

I did not watch it because I took the break to not watch it.

Board games till 2: 00 in the morning.

Did you not hear I was saving the Galaxy? When the trailer dropped in December, I remember, I was like, I absolutely need to see this. It looked amazing. And so I do fully want to watch it. I love watching Rich Asshole Older Ladies, just Kevarch. So I am totally excited to see it. Originally, I was going to propose that we cover it when we get back. But this week, Bravo has dropped. We have The Valley coming back. They've dropped The Valley as a two-episode premiere, and then The Traders is going to premiere on Thursday on the same night as The Valley, and that we have to assume is a three-episode premiere because that's how they usually do it. Our dance card is full. Our dance card is actually already full, and now we're getting all this stuff. So it really bugs me out.

I don't even like to dance.

It really bugs me out because I really want to not only watch the show, but I already know I want to recap it. I think it's just going to be, at least for this first season, I don't think it's going to be possible. It's just a shame. There's just so much we could do. Honestly, if I had my brothers, honestly, I would drop... No, I don't know if I'd drop anything. All these shows are I was going to say Southern Charm or Beverly Hills. But the truth is that the shows might not be great. We can't drop that. I know, I know, but I'm just saying they're so fun to make fun of. Even when you have bad seasons, they're so fun to make fun of.

Well, I did not watch it either because I was reading, Oh, It was mega this, mega that. I just, whatever. I didn't want to make myself mad over the holiday. We had talked about he did Rivalry a little bit before the holidays. We had both only watched 20 Minutes of it. I liked it. He didn't like it so much. I mean, it was only the first 20 minutes we watched. I'm going to finish. Can I tell you? I'm going to finish. I watched it. I loved this show. I cried. I loved it. I thought it was beautiful. A lot of people were like, Oh, it's gay porn. I mean, yeah, there's a lot of that, but it was such a good show. I mean, I have the internet. I don't need the porn on. I'm not a Skinny Max a guy. I have the internet. I can see penises going in, in butts. But it was such a good show. I just loved the show.

I loved it. I'll finish watching it. I'll finish. I I watched 20 minutes of it when I had some time, and then I was just like, I wanted more buildup. I enjoy the courtship a little bit more. But that being said, I know it's supposed to be great.

The whole thing is a long courtship. I mean, you know, you know, gaze. We fuck first, we ask names later. It was that. Let's get into some… Oh, go ahead.

I just want to say some people in the comments seem a little alarmed. They're like, The Valley is coming back already. This is the Valley Persian style. It is basically the Shah's reboot, where they have changed out Mike and added in some new folks. It is just the Valley spinoff. If you think about it, you have the Valley Persian style, which is a spinoff of the Valley, which is a spinoff of Interpump Rules, which is a spinoff of Beverly Hills, which is a spinoff of Real House House of Orange County. The lineage goes deep.

It's not a spinoff of Orange County.

Beverly Hills is.

No.

Real House was a Beverly Hills is a literal spinoff of the Real House was of Orange County.

It's a franchise.

Well, sure, sure, sure.

But it's still like- Is Arby's a spinoff of McDonald's?

The point is there is a bloodline that goes from Baby Shams now up to Vicky Gunn-Bulson.

Which is mostly just because they do not want to pay for a new set. Bravo is cheap. Their asses are spending everything. All their money goes to Beverly They don't have money for any of this other shit. They don't want to even hire a cleaning crew to go clean, sir. That restaurant has not been cleaned for two decades. They are using the same backgrounds, interview sets, and all that stuff for the valley, so they're saving a little money. It's a good… Oh, by the way, I went to the old pump the other day. It's Roosterfish now in Weihau. I went out the other night. It's pump. They didn't take out the trees or anything. They just tarded up Trump, which is like, the trees were the nice part, and they kept the bar, but they took out a lot of the really Lisa-y things, but it was still pump. I was like, Good for you guys. You didn't let her sue you to get her olive trees back. Good for you.

Yeah, exactly.

It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial.

Okay, so you were trying to transition into headlines. I am here. I am locked in. What do you want to start with?

Well, the big one, obviously, was You are the headline. Because the cult of a real housewife, the Mary Cosby Tell All Cult on the classiest channel of all time, Tulsa. Ben was on there.

They always said, Don't become the story. Don't become the story.

I want this. Yeah, you were on there. One of the big controversies of this was that they were taking people's social media stuff and putting it on there without any permission. A lot of people were really pissed off about that. That Besties by Caitlin, not happy. I think Gibson- Kempire was not happy. Yeah, people were not happy. How did you feel about being blatantly ripped off, having your face splashed all over national television without your permission.

I literally could not have been happier. I'm not going to lie. Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, guys. I'm sorry. I want to have a united front with everyone. I know it's wrong. This is the most delightful way to start the new year for me. I'm so sorry. I know. I know. But no network is going to pay for this content. They're not going to pay for it. I don't know. I don't care. I don't care. It's like a stupid documentary on TLC. I literally don't care. I think it's like, whatever. I think I would be upset if they used it in a way that totally misrepresented me. But they don't pay for this shit anyway. I was like, for a moment, I was like, I said shit. I'm like, I forgot we're not on Amazon Live. But honestly, yeah, yes, they may have exploited my vagina. Sure. I just am like...

Your vagina is exploited.

Here's why I don't have a leg to stand on. Here's why I don't have a leg to stand on. I have built a career. We have built a career off of Bravo TV, okay? I All of a sudden, I'm going to act precious? I can't. Sorry. Other things I'll get mad at. Yeah, we got-We got a couple of-We're leaches. We're leaches. I can't be mad. I don't know. We're part of the leach ecosystem.

I got a couple of DMs from our friends who were on it as well, featured against their wishes or whatever. They were like, Oh, Ben, he's going to be pissed when he sees himself. They're like, Do you think he's going to be mad? I said, Girl, Ben is not going to be mad. I said, Ben, this is like a gift. This is like a Hanica gift to Ben. So please don't ruin it. Don't message him. Don't take away his joy. Don't make him mad about it. Don't message me.

People message me, and they were like, Aren't you upset? I just gave neutral responses because I didn't want to make them be like… I don't want to trivialize what they were feeling because other people are more upset than I am, and that's fine. Other people are like, this is just not… They felt violated. They felt like it wasn't right. It wasn't the kind thing to do.

You know what I thought was so funny about it? They took all They took all these accounts, right? They took clips from people's TikToks and stuff, but then they jacked up the numbers. They lied about their numbers and said, Oh, this person has 4 million followers, and they're talking about it. First of all, how truthful is this TLC documentary? Because you're not even taking the real... You're taking the footage and then adding sauce to it so you look more legitimate. It's like these people have like 4,000. The people were saying it online. They're like, I have 4,000 followers. Why are they saying I have 4,000? No. It was a bit of a followers.

Well, the funny part was it wasn't even from Watch or Crap. Actually, if there's anything, I don't know if I got... Honestly, I haven't watched it. I feel like one of those real house. I feel like Jack's being like, I haven't watched it. I haven't watched the Valley, but I really haven't watched it because you guys know how much I hate TLC. So I haven't watched it. I don't know if I got... I'm assuming they did not say Ben Mandelker or whatever. But the funny thing is that the footage that they used was when I was guesting on the Elvis Duran show on Z100 or My Heart, whatever. So it wasn't even Crap-ins. I was actually... If anything, I'm upset that we couldn't promote crap-ins on it. But luckily, I love the people over at Elvis Duran, and so I was happy that that was part of it. But just bizarre. The thing that my first thought was this. Here's my first thought. By the way, I love that I'm giving a behind-the-scenes BTS of my three-second clip on a documentary. But then when I went on to the Elvis Duran show, I wore this shirt that was It was fun.

It was a cordyroy shirt with depictions of little cabins. After I went on, my parents always call with notes. My mom was like, Why did you choose that shirt? I was like, Because it was fun. My mom was like, I wouldn't have chosen that. It wasn't a very good shirt for you. It's just not the shirt that you should wear on something like that. It's just, it's not... You shouldn't have worn it. My very first thought was when they put the the documentary footage up was like, My mom's going to be mad because they got me in the shirt.

They put me in the shirt. He's finally on TV, and He's in that shirt. He's in that damn shirt.

That's funny. For the record, I love that shirt, and I was very happy about it.

The documentarians were saying in an article on the reporter, Hollywood reporter, they were saying that the reason they used so many clips is because this story about Mary's temple or whatever, her faith temple or whatever, was already told through social media from the beginning of the show, which is true. I felt like we didn't have to watch it because we talked about this as it was happening, as it was coming out online. We had a lot to say about it back then. And by the time it gets on TV, I mean, look, it's like the Epstein list. Everybody's like, Oh, my God, the Epstein list. I've been telling you people about the Epstein list for years, and now everybody's like, Oh, now the Epstein. What do you think? Before, when I was saying it, it was like a conspiracy, and I was a crazy person, and now everybody's going crazy over it, and I'm tired. I've already read it all. You know what I mean? That's how I felt about the Mary documentary. It's not that it's not a big deal. It's that I was already so mad about it back then, and I'm like, Oh, well, I guess I like Mary now because she's just stayed on.

It's like, to me, she's weathered the storm, but she has not weathered the storm. The storm has just started. Because not everybody is as obsessed with Reddit and social media gossip as I am, apparently. So, I This is new news for a lot of people, and they're pissed. There's a lot of pissed off people.

Yeah, but it's going to… You know what? There's just bigger fish to fry. I think if this had come out maybe a year ago, even two years ago, I think maybe more outrage. They're just bigger. It's just bigger shit in the world to worry about, stuff that's bigger and scarier. I mean, literally, our country just abducted the president of another country, and so we're going to really devote time to Mary Cosby. It just seems like there's just bigger things to be worried about and scared about. I think this is just going to blow over. Also, like you said, this is old news for all of us. I think it's for newbies or casual watchers it is, but I don't know.

I mean, it's not good. I'll tell you, a lot of it's not good. Some of the biggest revelations to me were just the lies that Mary was caught in on the show, because on the show, Mary says that the reason she married her grandpa, her step-grandpa, guys, it's not gross, okay? The reason married her step-grandpa is because her grandmother willed it, basically. She said in her will or whatever that she wanted Mary to marry the husband and take over the church. That's just not true. Mary was actually married at the time to somebody else, which I don't think I knew the timeline of all this back then. But Mary was married to somebody else, and then the husband, Robert senior, took over the church after the grandmother died, and that he became closer with Mary, bought her a BMW, and then basically started to, I guess, groom her to bring her in, and then started telling everybody that God was willing him to marry Mary. They got married and took over this church, but that contradicts everything that Mary said about it. What else in here? Do you love that that's the most defensive?

I'm about to say this really just makes the Ashley and Cherie son thing. It just seems like a fun walk in the Well, that's only 10 years apart, and they're not related, even in a step way.

Why is there a little fly? Get the hell out of here. Then, let's see what else happened in here. I'm taking this from The Daily Beast, who did a pretty good article summing up this stuff. Then they went over the walkout. The mom had a fit that she didn't get it. She ended up suing over forged documents. There was a lot of there were a lot of allegations of forged documents that they were saying, Mama willed this, and mama willed that, and mama wanted her money to go here. Basically, those were found to be falsified. Mary's mother won a $1. 2 million settlement, which is pretty good. Then she had a big walkout where Mary talked about this a little bit recently. There was a walkout. The mom made a big stink at church. She took half the church with her. Mary kept half the church. The people that stayed in Mary's side of the church were forbidden from ever speaking to the people that her mother took, and to the point where one of the mothers in that congregation passed away, and her own daughter, who stayed at this church, was not allowed to go into that church.

None of it's good. The stuff with Cameron, not good. Apparently, he claimed to have had an affair with Mary. Cameron is the guy we saw on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, who died of a brain tumor after. But apparently, he claimed they had an affair and that she was giving him $2,500 shoes. He felt very brainwashed, and he had to get rid of his house to give the church money. I don't know. None of it's good, that's for sure, but it's all old.

Yeah, that's my feeling. Someone brings up this point, didn't Morgan Freeman date his step-granddaughter as ex-wife? There was something like that. There was some... Morgan Freeman did do something odd like that. Yeah, it just feels old, and it feels like the only reason why they did this documentary is because Mary became popular. Because I feel like all this stuff was just floating around several years ago. At that time, people were busy making documentaries about Jen Shah because Jen Shah took up all the air in the room. What's funny is that if you go back to season 2 of Real House, House of Salt Lake City, it's as much about Jen Shah and her legal issues it is about, does Mary have a cult? A big part of that season was questioning Mary and everything going on over there. It just felt like there was a moment where people were like, What should we exploit? We can exploit Mary's cult. We can exploit Whitney's Vagina, or we can exploit Jen Shah, and they went Jen Shah. Now, they're circling back because Mary's popular. I just feel like, I'm not saying, Oh, this is good, but we were all thought.

I guess we already had our outrage. I just I don't feel like it can be outraged again. I feel like it's over. The scab has healed over.

The outrage has moved to other things. I think that it's... I read a lot of outrage, but it seems temporary. I think that you're right, that it's going to blow over. Does it deserve to? I don't know. I'm not really saying it's not a big deal. I think it's horrible. I think a lot of this stuff is horrible. I think the way a lot of churches pray on their members was terrible. But at the same time, people try and compare it to Jen Shah and stuff like that. I'm like, meh. Jen Shah was going after the most vulnerable people and promising them things. I guess you could say that Mary was doing that, but I don't know. Look, I'm getting tired even talking about it. I think it's over for me. Yeah. Unless they bring It's like, I'm going to bring it up on housewives.

Mm-hmm. If they bring it up, then sure, we'll take a stance, more of a stance. But when an outsider, like TLC, comes in, then I'm like, I'm going to circle my wagons. My Pioneer Wagons because it's a sisterhood.

It's the late channel, okay? Because you're late.

Yeah. Yeah. It's the President of TLC is Jojo singing, It's just a little too late. A little too late.

Yeah. Okay. What do you want to talk about today?

Okay. Well, here's Let's talk about one of the most compelling people in the world of Bravo, Kyle Richards. Two things hit the news. News headlines this week. First is that Kyle has moved to Tennessee.

Oh, what a shocker.

Yeah. Yeah. Actually, this is great news because she sold her Encino house, and I could not be happier because as people know, I hate that house. I'm so glad that house, with its stupid, It's all suffocating hedges around the, around the driveway, and it's generic white, colored façade. I don't even know what style of house it is. It's just so generic.

She did sell it?

I feel like I read that, that she sold it.

Oh, my gosh. It says- She's moving there for good?

Let me read this one. This is from Bravo's own website. Because I read in a different one that she sold it. Maybe that was incorrect. Maybe it's just a fever dream, a wish for me. I just love real estate, Kyle confessed, in an exclusive interview with The Daily Dish. Kyle is the bot. I love her generic statements. I love shopping. I love real estate. She's just like a bot. She bought a house.

It's like this place, dashes. Like, wait a minute.

I generally am very passionate about it. She's calling real estate one of her favorite things since she and Mauricio, founder of the Agency Luxury Real Estate brokerage, announced their split. So suddenly she loves real estate out of nowhere. She says, This is something that I'm doing. It's my investment. Because even now, Mauricio will share things like, I'm making an investment in these investments. I'm like, What can I do on my own that I can feel good about? I've always been good at real estate. Has she? I've chosen the majority of our homes. It's always worked out well for me business-wise, except for when I choose a home and then it gets burgled. I just love that Kyle is still just taking other people's passions. This one says, This would be the second home Kyle has bought on her own. One's in California, one's in Tennessee. Okay.

She said she didn't Yeah, that's what she did.

The other article I read was poorly referenced, but she did, at the very least, she did buy a new home in Tennessee. The other thing was a little bit more alarming because if you sold your house in Encino and you bought a house in Tennessee, it's like, what's going on with that? But it looks like it's just a second property, and I'm sure there'll be a cast trip there next season on Beverly Hills if we are so blessed. The other piece of news from the Kyle Richards front is that Jim Mariscio went to a New Year's Eve bash and were very touchy and warm and very, obviously, together, according to Page 6. How about that?

Yeah, I mean, that's what I figured was going to happen, was she was going to end up back with Mo, and this other thing was either a phase or I don't know. I don't know what it was. But buying a house in Tennessee, doesn't that mean you're going to be with Morgan? I think Kyle's just fucking with people now. She's like, Look, I bought a house in Tennessee, but I'm still all over Mo. Ah, options. Who knows? Yeah.

It's too much. Also, I just want to say something. When I was reading this article, she referenced Mo, and it's spelled M-A-U. I think we need to normalize when we refer to Mauricio as Mo, we just call it M-O. Because that's not M-A-U, it's M-A-U. I'm sorry. I understand the large word is Mauricio, M-A-U-R-I-C-I-O, but it's like, it's just... When you know... It's when I say Mo, it's spelled M-O. I'm just going to say it right now.

Okay, new rule.

Or M-A-U-X. But I cannot do M-A-U and say Mo. It's just my brain will not allow it.

Yeah. I mean, all this Kyle news happening at the same time the married Cosby stuff happened, and it came out all during a holiday, and it's just like, I don't care. You know what I mean? I think that's the time where you're supposed to release news that people don't care about. I love that Kyle's huge news, and this other news It came out in the don't care period of life. I just don't care. But it's Kyle. I mean, God bless her. God help her. God, just God, do something with Kyle. Do something. Make Kyle better. God. Some other stuff happened. Wait.

I just have to say, after my little rant, someone says, Ben gets a little TV fame and is making all the rules now.

You're from us. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crap ands commercial. So, some other stuff happened over the holidays. Rich people got stuck in places, okay? St. Mart's huge stuckage. There's a lot of stuckage happening there, okay? Shep, namely Shep, got stuck with a lot of other people who were probably horrified to be stuck with Shep. I felt really bad for them.

I didn't read the fine details. I have to assume that because of the situation with Venezuela, air traffic around the Caribbean was maybe paused a bit. That way, because who knows what might happen. As a result, people were stranded in the various Caribbean islands they went to over break. Melissa Gorga is stuck in Aruba. Shep is stuck in St. Bart's. He took a video at Nicki Beach, and he was like, Gosh, I'm stuck in St. Bart's. Look at this. I guess there's a worse place to be stuck. And he pans around, and Giselle is there in the shot with her daughters, and he doesn't even say like, Oh, she's the nice lady from my network. He just keeps on banning by, and everyone's like, Giselle was there. That was Giselle.

Yeah.

Doesn't even notice. Doesn't even know where she is.

Well, he also got stuck with Tinks from Serius, and she went up to him to say hi, and he posted on his story, Well, of course. I was in a bathroom line with this girl, with this gal, chatting it up, and two girls ran up and asked for her picture. I was like, Who is this? Maybe I was bizarrely jealous, laughing face. She's Tinks, and she writes, So I'm impressed. It's a picture posing with Tinks. Here's the picture. She reposted this and wrote, Then he asked me, How many followers do you have anyway? That's how I met Shep.

I'm just sad that Shep was stranded on seeing Bart instead of Bahamas because then he could have spent some really good quality time with Siena and her… Perfect freckled lips. Oh, God. I'm sorry. Perfect freckled little lips.

As you mentioned, Melissa Gorga was stranded in Aruba. This is even better because there were no rebooking options for weeks. Good luck, Aruba. You're going to be eating some dry-ass cookies.

Yeah. It's really funny. It's also hilarious because I think it was about a year ago, we actually did an ad for Aruba. I'm imagining people I heard that ad on Watch What Happens. Ben and Roni were saying a lot of warm things about Aruba. I think this is the year we finally go, and now they're stuck there with Melissa Zorga.

How many people did we get stuck there? Monica came out with a post this week.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I know Monica, but since we're on the topic of celebrities having gone to St. Bart's, et cetera, and getting stuck there, there was one celebrity who went to St. Bart's, who did get stuck there, and she emerged with a bit of an issue. It's Bethany Frankl. Oh, God. She contracted a face infection after parting in St. Bartz.

I've only ever been once. I've been to St. Bartz dozens of times off-season. I booked it to bring my daughter because we went once before. We liked the food, the beaches, the shopping. This time, it hit different. Every day, you'd go to either a beach or a beach club at a hotel, and it would be the hunger games of fashion and money, and no one is just dressed casually.

Bethany acting like she is part of the old money establishment that was there before the other Bethany has arrived. Bethany, you are the hunger games.

You're literally hungry.

You're literally hungry. She's on there. She's talking like, Oh, my God. Oh, my God. The hunger games. It's like people came here. It's like it's like crazy. It's like so many people came down to I'm like, Yeah, because there's people like you are going there and you're being like, Oh, my God. I'm in St. Bart's. I'm in St. Bart's. How do you think the people in St. Bart's liked it when you showed up with camera crews? Okay. Yeah.

You know the original people who complained that every loser is starting to come to St. Bart's? When you started to That's those are the first. There wasn't TikTok then, okay? There was Facebook stories or whatever the fuck. It was them. It was those people like, This lady won't stop going into restaurants and giving reviews on their chicken salad that nobody asked for.

I volunteered not in tribute for this. But anyway, so she went to St. Bart's, and then she posts on TikTok, POV, you left St. Bart's three days early and brought home a bacterial infection. And her face has a bacterial... She is just full of bacterial infection on her face. And it's just like, I'm just so impressed how she's able to just step on so many rakes in her life. It's She's always something with Bethany.

I saw her posting the other day something about like, I was there, I was there. We were trying to enjoy ourselves, but it's like the hunger games, trying to go anywhere, like social invitations. It's like this whole powerful thing, like parties, this, that, who's invited to here, who's invited to that? But you know what? I had to realize at the end of the day, it's like, who you're there with. It's like, love the one you're with. I'm with my daughter, and I love my daughter. I was like, What a nice post to say you're pissed that you weren't invited anywhere in Saint Martha. What a sad post to say, I couldn't get into any fucking party that I wanted to go to. Fuck this place. When you're making a post about your daughter on New Year's Day, like, Oh, wow. Really glad I got to spend time with this little brat instead of all of the rich people I came here to hobnob with. Yey me. Anybody want to see Wicked for Good again?

I just love the woman who started the B Strong disaster relief initiative to help countries that are stricken by a natural disaster and things, specifically, Puerto Rico and hurricanes, whatever, then also going to St. Bart's and complaining about people flooding Nikki Beach.

It's just like- This is a crisis.

The perspective is amazing. Andy Cohen went on his show this morning. He was talking with John, and Andy Cohen was like, Oh, so I went on to TikTok, which I never do. Oh, man. The first thing I saw was the Margarita lady, and wow, just suffocating it so much. And so, of course, it was hilarious that he won't even call Bethany, Bethany by name. He calls her the Margarita lady. And he says, he also says that she doesn't show up on his Instagram algorithm, so he never sees her. So like when he went on to TikTok, I guess the first time he'd seen her content in a while, which was also like, there was like layers of shade in that, which is like Andy Cohen somehow like, she's not important enough that the algorithm serves her to him or he doesn't see it. Like, it It was all pretty hilarious, but that was the big takeaway, was that he called Abel, not refer to her as Bethany. And for those wondering if the status of their relationship, it sounds like it's still not healed.

Yeah, no. Not healed. Margarita lady. Something else not healed, Monica Garcia from Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Still piping up wherever she can. She goes on Carlos King often to talk about Salt Lake She posted on her TikTok, a video of her dancing, which you do you. It says, You guys stay believing the wrong ones. Six exclamation points. It's always the one projecting the most. And that's on people thinking, I can't keep Real Housewives of Salt Lake City out of my damn mouth. I haven't said, Shit, trust, but it's a new year. Let's see what happens. And the post says, When everyone wants to accuse Meredith of being an alcoholic, but she wasn't the one that was taken in an ambulance to the ER for alcohol poisoning and demanded the footage never be shown and cast stay locked in their rooms while she got wheeled away to get her stomach pumped, allegedly. So everyone was like, Who is it? Oh my God, it's Heather. Who else would it be?

Who else?

Heather's the one who pooped on herself and peed on herself and barfed on herself. We all saw it in that Palm Springs bus. Who else could it be?

Yeah, she was really drunk that season. Really, really. Well, at least, especially in Palm Springs that one night, for sure.

The Black Eye Night with Jen Shah, the Waste. Listen, I'm not against anybody getting their stomach pumped, but I am against the hypocrisy of that storyline. Sometimes, it takes a non-hero to be a hero. So at least somebody is saying it because that storyline is making me crazy. You're all drunk. You peed and barfed on yourself on TV. You do not get to call people a drunk. Whitney, you were falling off the stage of Bravo Con. You don't get to either.

But I also don't know what Monica is really trying to do here. People get too drunk all the time without being alcoholics, and they get their stomachs pumped. I don't know. I don't see when she's like, Mm-hmm, someone, she had alcohol poisoning. I'm like, That happens to a lot of people. Now, I think it's... I think after you're 24, it's weird that it happens. Is it weird? I started to brawn in myself. I'm nodding my head like, Is it weird? It's weird, but I don't know. I don't know. For some reason, I guess she's saying, Don't throw rocks in a glass house, in a glass Med spa.

Don't throw olives when you live in a Tito's bottle. That's what she's saying. I agree with that. It's the hypocrisy. But I just think it's funny because it's been a week of people being like, Who could she be talking about? What do you think? Come on, Pete. Do you watch the show? Also, who got Monica off the show? Heather. I mean, Monica is going to come for Heather for the rest of her life. Do I care that Heather's a drunk? No. It's you calling other people a drunk.

Let's see. You know who else may have some issues with substances? Grace Lily. Grace Lily was arrested over the break. Now, notably, Grace Lily was not a Bravo con. When we asked some people, some of the cast members, Where's Grace Lily? They just hedged and were like, Oh, they did that. I don't know, is Grace Lily not coming back to Southern-I don't think so, because Bradley from Southern Charm went, Oh, hey, hey, yeah, I've heard your show before.

Oh, but your girl Grace Lily. I said, What does that mean? He said, I'm not saying anything. I thought, I don't care. I know she's a mess. I still love her. He was like, Yeah.

She was barely on the show this past season, and it seemed like she didn't really have strong relationships with anyone. She shown Bright as the first season. Then she's just not... I think she did the saucy thing originally of where she was working at the restaurant, and then she stepped away because she thought she was a star. She was pulled over at a traffic stop at Circle K. I mean, already, if you're pulled over at Circle K, it's just rough. She had, I think it was a pills. She had a container that said Happy Pills written on top. I mean, also like...

Could you be subtle?

I don't really have it in cartoons. It's like she has a thing that says TNT on it.

She's rolling around a big barrel that says Acme.

She has a bottle that says XXX.

Yeah. Grace Lily. Yeah. She was charged with second-degree harassment at a circle K at Mount Pleasant, which is so funny to be arrested in a place called Mount Pleasant. It's so cute. She was arrested. Well, she It was stopped for an illegal lane change and possible wanted party. It was right by the Ravenel Bridge, which is hilarious as well.

Traffic cameras flagged a vehicle near the Ravenel Bridge, which, I don't know, I would not be surprised if those traffic cameras were just Thomas sitting at his plantation doing a sliver thing with that bridge like, Hey, there's a pretty wife. I'll take her. Pull her over. Pull her over.

But don't you think it's also hypocritical. Are you even allowed, should you even be allowed to be pulled over for a drug use next to the Ravenal Bridge? I mean, isn't that Bridge built from cocaine?

It's built on a lot of bad things. I'll tell you that much. But, yeah, apparently it was Xanax.

Oh, that's not so bad. That's not so bad. Oh, well, that's great. Everybody should have that. I don't think you should be in trouble for birth control.

Well, someone in the comment says that she was arrested for possession of crack back in 2016. Crack? I don't know the veracity of that. But, yeah, Grace Silly, it seems like it's a troubled path for her. I feel like she's not going to be on the next season, and maybe she's now in the next chapter of post-reality stardom. Then other news, Real House West at Potomac is in Colorado, currently on the show. The big thing that happened last night was that they went to Angel's house, quote, unquote house, which wasn't her house at all. They had to stay at this cabin. Well, in the wake of this, some people remembered that there's footage from over the summer of the Potomac cast being caught at the Four Seasons of Denver. What do you think this is, Roni? Do you think they actually stayed in that cabin, or do you think it was, they say, at the Four Seasons of Denver, or maybe it was once the cast trip wrapped up, they went to the Four Seasons of Denver? Because I'm looking at the video now, they're all there, the whole cast This house is there. It's dated July 18th.

We know that this trip is happening in July.

So they all ditched the house? That would be good. That would be funny because angels really do too much with that whole house.

They faked it. Maybe they didn't sleep in that house. That's like Melissa Gorga, how she didn't sleep in the house for Witeswap.

Oh, so you think they were just faking it and just acting mad but staying there? I don't know. That seems like so much work.

It seems like they were away from Denver, too. I think this is probably... My guess is that after After the trip was done, they then went down to Denver and had a nice night in the Four Seasons.

Yeah, because isn't this near the end of the season?

Is it?

Yeah, I think the season is close to being-I think it's going to end on vacation.

I think the season will end on vacation.

Yeah, so maybe they just had a nice ending vacation. I don't know because I figured if it was on the show, they would have hinted to it. It's not like they're huge secret keepers in the previews. But I don't know. I have to say this goes… I don't know, but I think it would be funny if they ditched Angel's house. I was about to say, I don't care, but I'm trying to stop saying, I don't care as much in 2026. Not to you, just in general.

You say, I don't know, and I care.

I don't know. I'm really trying to care. Does that work? Here's something I do care about. Heather Dubrow, one of the biggest-Oh, yeah. Breadcrumbs. Heather Dubrow, barks rumors of crossover to Beverly Hills with Diamond Post. As husband, Terry, and fans. React. She posted with herself in a really terrible outfit that would not pass on Beverly Hills and says, Excited for the new year, what the new year may bring. Diamond, diamond, diamond, diamond. Lfg 2026. People are like, Oh, my God, is Heather moving to wherever? Then her husband, Terry, commented, Dimonds are forever. She said, Love you, honey, I. Heart, heart, heart.

I'm I'm going to say this is a tease. I don't think Heather's going to Beverly Hills. I think she likes toying with this rumor. I think this is really fun for her. But I think that ultimately, I don't know, she's got OC stink on her. I think that Bravo views Beverly Hills as their most prestigious franchise. That's very fancy. Even though she's really wealthy and everything, I don't know. That being said, Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how she fits in with the people of Beverly Hills. Maybe she would be great on it. I think that she would try to do Beverly Hills cosplay, but eventually, her Heather De Brognes would come out. But then Kyle would be like, Wow, she was really intense, right? That's weird. She's It's weird that Heather De Bro. I think Kyle would treat her as a try-ard. It could be a really interesting dynamic.

It could be because on OC, everyone treats her like, Oh, my God, she's a goddess because she's got so much money, and they defer to her because she's got all the money. I think on Beverly Hills, they would treat her like the poor one, which I would love.

Yeah, I think they would, even though she's actually totally…

I think she's like, I'm far with everyone. Not because of money, but because she's the girl from the OC. Yeah.

Exactly. She basically came from some other school and joined those news. She's new at the private school. They're like, They would look gross. They would look gross.

She's not actually poor, especially compared to Doreet and Erica and people like that. It's not like she's really poor, but they would treat her like the poor kid. They'd be like, Oh, wow. Nice Fendi. Where'd you get that? They let you into the store?

Oh, you live next to Drake? Oh, well, Drake follows some of us. That's nice. But I know him. We are good friends. Let me into the circle, please. Let me be the one. I can be part of you, please. Drake's over.

No. This is from Reality Blurb. As OC fans may have heard, Heather has been facing rumors of a potential exit in recent weeks, especially after Crystal Kungminoff claimed on her podcast, Humblebrag with Cynthia and Crystal, that a cast member had been replaced by Vicky, whose return was confirmed at BravoCon. I guess Crystal said that she took someone else's orange. I just don't see that being Heather.

Well, people thought, Seth, I thought originally it was that it was, What's her face? Why am I blanking on her name? Katie. Katie Janela.

Oh, yeah. She's out.

Is she officially out?

Yeah, she's out.

Yeah, she's officially out, right?

Yeah.

Katie Janela, crappin's listener, I'd like to add. But we met her. Did we ever say that we met her at Bravo Con, that we saw her in the Four Seasons? She was like, You guys are so funny. She was a fan. But alas, she's also now no longer with us on Bravo.

The comments are saying, Please let it be Emily. Please let it be Emily. Emily.

They are never going to get rid of Emily and Gina. I'm telling you this. They will not get rid of them.

Maybe Emily. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. Okay, we need to get over to talk to some people for the talking to you portion of this show. For everybody listening to this on audio, we're going to end this now, and we'll be back in two weeks with more headlines for you. Everybody who's with us on YouTube, stick around, and we'll have you on to talk. We love you guys. We'll talk to you soon.

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