Transcript of #636 - Jason Momoa

Today's guest is an actor, a producer, an entrepreneur. He's a real do it all type broada. He has a new film out with Dave Bautista called The Wrecking Crew. Highly recommend it. Great action film. He's out the mud and the water. It's Aquaman. Today's guest is Mr. Jason Momoa.

Shive on me, and I will fight We'll be fine.

We'll be fine.

I'm here to do the greatest The O'Vaugh interview ever. I'm sorry.

Oh, damn. Actually, it could be it. I'm trying to think if we've had the greatest one. We had an Amish kid that was pretty great. Oh, wow. He's pure Amish, too. He's like, Every now and then, I'll sneak to the creek, and we hide a cell phone down there, and we'll listen a little bit of Def Leopard. That was one of the best things I ever heard.

A little bit of pour some sugar on me? Yeah.

Fuck, yeah, dude. I don't even think they have sugar, which is the craziest part. Just down there listening to songs about illegal ingredients. That's all they're doing, dude. Jason, thanks for hanging out, man.

Thanks for having me, buddy.

We met at the 50th. I think it was the 50th SNL. Yeah. I just remember I was walking, and then this big, I would say semi-beautiful hand just grabbed me. This thing that definitely... And immediately I felt like I hadn't been in the gym. That was my immediate feeling. And then it just pulled me into this orbit, and it was like, Hey, man, nice to see you here. And that was it, dude. It was awesome.

This is great to see you, man.

Yeah, it made my day.

You make people smile. You make me smile. So I'm like, When you see that... It was a bit of an overload there. It was a lot. And I feel like once you're talking, When you're with Meryl Streep and Robert De Niro is on one thing, and then I flicked out when I saw Chevy Chase. This older lady is like, Come here, darling. You're the Aquaman. I was like, Yeah. And she's like, Chevy, get over here. Chevy, get over here. I'm like, Oh, my gosh. This is Chevy Chase's wife. And then she's like, Bill, get over here. And I'm-Who's Bill?

Murray.

Oh, God. Chevy Chase and Bill Murray. I'm sandwiched between them, and I'm just going like, this beautiful one brought this together. Bill's like, who the fuck is this guy? And so was Chevy. And he's like, that's the Aquaman. Our grandchildren love him. Oh, yeah. But you just go like, there it is.

Oh, that's cool.

See, In my mind, I was sandwiched. But right there, I'm a little bit more of the bun.

Yeah, you seem like more of a bun. Yeah. Or like a nice rye or something, a pumper nickel.

But it was a crazy night, huh?

Yeah, that was a lot, man. I met Hanson.

Hanson was there. Yeah.

They looked like adult Hanson kids or whatever.

Yeah, because what year are you born?

I'm born in 1980.

I'm 79. There we go. So we know what Hansons look like when they were bopping it out.

Yeah, we know the real Hanson.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I just gave my son a Cross colors. You remember that brand? It was just this brand that I had when Chris Cross came out, and my son didn't know who that was. It was a year Was it the year you were born, maybe, when it came out? 82?

Yeah, I think it was-92.

Cros cross, Cros colors. Anyways, I just gave it to my son, and I was just dating myself, man. But it was a moment. I've been unpacking my old stuff and giving it to my son, and he loves it because all that stuff's cool again.

Yeah. Oh, that's a good point. You have things come back around. You grew up in Hawaii?

I was born in Hawaii, and my parents got divorced when I was little, and I moved to Iowa. But like, Bridges of Madison County, Iowa. Dude, Meryl Street, Bridges of Madison County.

One of my favorite books. The book and the movie, it's identical. It's like word for word. The movie is the exact way of the book. Not that that matters.

I'm like, graduate.

Did you go to University of Iowa?

No, I actually went to. We like to make fun of it. University of Southern Ankeny. I went to DMAC, Des Moines Area Community College. And And then went to-Is that still open? It is, DMAC. And then I went off to get in state tuition in Colorado. And I was living out in Colorado State, and I was working with a trail crew out there and working at Lee's Cyclery and and all these different bus and tables and shit, trying to get in-state tuition, trying to postpone college as much as possible.

Trying to postpone it or stay in it?

Well, I'm just trying to get in state tuition so I could do wildlife biology there. But I went to school. It's weird because when I was in Iowa, I did marine biology. They have a place called Central Campus, where all these different schools would go into Des Moines, and you would learn marine biology. I'd have a shark tank, I had my own earl, and you'd learn about all these different things. And I always wanted to be a marine biologist. And we'd spend our spring breaks down in the keys. So we get in a yellow bus, go All the way down from fucking Iowa, all the way down to the keys.

That's so far.

Yeah. And we studied with scientists, but I did that two years. Credit for college. And then I was going to go over summertime, I was like, I'll go to Hawaii. Since I'm Hawaiian, maybe I'll get a better deal going to college. Tv show came. That was it. And I was just surfing with my family, a pretty big surf family. And then a show came, and I ended up getting it. It changed everything. I was 19.

And you were working so... They had the... Oh, my God. That's him?

Yeah, dude. Don't, don't, don't.

Don't what? Get some lotion out? To rub on the picture. Have some respect, guys. Dude, that's wild that you got to...

I was 19, man. That was crazy. My job before that was busting tables. Yeah, working in a surf shop.

I bus tables, bro. I was one of the first bussers to ever use creatine in Arizona. South of Phoenix, I was one of the best bus boys there was, I think, for probably about a two and a half year period.

Is that where you went to, Arizona?

I went to University of Arizona for one year, and then I went to some other schools. But dude, I was so good at busting tables, man.

Yeah. Well, I would take all the food because I worked at a really nice restaurant. And we were all my buddies that lived together. It was a bunch of climbing dirt bags. And I'd bring this nice pasta home because if the couple didn't look too sus, and they left their stuff, you just box that in and bring it home. And so I always had the best restaurant pasta.

Dude, I worked at a place called Dakota's Wine & Feed, and the guy there was this perverted manager who would teach us how to do He would oral sex on women, but just in conversation. Anyway, that guy was a complete pervert. But not in person, not with a real woman. Just he would tell us young kids how to do it and stuff, and we didn't know what was going on, dude. I remember when he would talk about it, all the pimples on my face would explode at once. But anyway, that was beside the point. But they had very nice food there. I remember if I'd see a couple, if they used their knife, that to me was like, Oh, they're fancy. I can eat off of their plate. So if the knife was dirty, I would definitely take a little bit of that. They have some cured ham or some specialty meats on there. And I get a stack of some special sandwich that was made of all types of stuff. Yeah, man. It was nice. That's back-Feeding the homies.

Yeah. Back then, it's like when you're at your mom's house your first time out, you're like, orange juice was like champagne. If someone had orange, I was like, oh, my God, I haven't had orange juice. Because it all went to beer and fucking booze. Yeah. Right? Milk? Never saw it again. You live mom's house, I have milk. And then it's basically water, beer. My dad still had to pay child support, so that was like that paid rent. I could just save enough bus and tables where I could work just Thursday, Friday, Saturday. I go rock climbing and snowboarding. So it'd be Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, I had to come back. So I had a little plan.

And were you with a certain group of friends from growing up, or was it still a core group, or was it just guys?

There's one guy. I didn't have too many friends growing up. I mean, I had friends, but the true buddies, They're in my neighborhood, but they stayed there. There's one guy, he is my best friend of the day, Godfather of my kids. He went out to Colorado first. So he was one year older, and then I went out there to be with him. Yeah, he's my best bud. So it was just us running amok.

So much fun. Colorado is so awesome.

It is. It was good.

God, I love being out there. Is that the altitude always gets me so much, dude. I get affected pretty easily by the environment.

It's got to be hard for you to go from Nashville to here because it gets dry. I just I came from New Zealand right now. And last night, I felt sorry for my lady because I'm just like...

Up wheezing?

Just right out.

Just shedding a skin in the bed. It's just fucking dry.

I mean, it's summer down there. You know what I mean?

Yeah, dude, New Zealand is Dude, I met people on any morning. I'm like, What are you talking about? You're not using any letters. They have people there.

It's like-I think that's Australians, but yeah.

We went to New Zealand. We had some shows down in Auckland, and we met Pete. It was just like, We met guys who it was like they had a sentence stuck in them. They just couldn't get it out of them no matter what. The people there that talk to us. Anyway, it was just some of the craziest lingo I'd ever heard. But one of the most beautiful places, we We went to... We got to meet Israel out of Sonia down there because he lives there. Stylebender. Yeah, and they were super nice to us whenever we went over there. But we went to the beach one day, and they said, You can only be outside of the beach for a certain amount of time because they don't have that much marine life.

Or they don't have-I don't have the ozone.

Ozon layer.

You're fried.

Dude, I was like, It's so beautiful, but you got to go back inside.

I know it never told me to go back inside, but I mean, yeah, if you're sitting out there, you're going to feel it. You just feel yourself cooking. Yeah.

At a certain point, you should go in, I think.

Yeah, you definitely should.

Or to stay out there and grill, maybe. So you went from Des Moines Community College, D-Mack.

Yeah.

And then you ended up over in Colorado.

Yeah, went to Colorado and then went to Hawaii. Just to be with my father, get to... Just to be in my My father gets to know him better. Was he cool? My dad's great. My dad's awesome. I'd go there when I was young, 8, 9, 10. Basically, when I was young enough to comprehend it, right enough to be with my mom. And then I'd go until high school years. We had probably a bit of a fallen out, so I didn't go too much. And maybe my sophomore, junior, senior year. So once I was like, I'm going to go back, be with dad, bury the hatchet, and see if I can get into college over there. And And then, like I said, show came and changed my life, and then tried to tell my mom, I'm on this show, and she's like, What are you talking about? My mom's in the same house I was raised in. Wow.

What are you doing? Are you doing something with Satan?

I know. She's like, You're on Bayou, which is why? I was like, Mom, it's not what you think. It's a whole different spin on it. They're in Hawaii. And she's like, What?

It's a whole different spin. They're in Hawaii. Yeah, I know.

I mean, the Hasselhoff wasn't really on it anymore, but they're trying to change it up. So anyways.

Dang.

And then I spent the next 30 years digging myself out of that hole. Yeah. Cheers to that. Here we are now.

So your mom is a white woman, and your father is more Islander?

My dad's Hawaiian, yeah., and my mom is basically German-Irish.

Is there a lot of beef between Hawaiian and Hawaii? Are there different sex of... Like, S-E-C-T-S of Hawaiian It's different, or is it if you're a Hawaiian, you're Hawaiian?

I mean, that's a good question. I wouldn't say it's like sex. Definitely, back in the day, there was different islands with different kings, and Until it was united by Kamehameha, but not everyone loved Kamehameha. You could have been with Kakehakeha. You could have been with different islands, and that obviously to unite them, your family could have been murdered. So I don't think everyone sees eye to eye. But having said that, we We're, since we are a part of America now, I think all those generations, our culture and our language was completely removed from us, like most indigenous races, and really trying to get it back. I don't necessarily think there's sex to it.

Right. So people aren't like that tribal? I mean, the tribal about being Hawaiian- I'll tell you what, not as much as if you were compared to New Zealand, where there's, don't quote me, but there's 200 plus different different Iwis, different tribes in Morais. Oh, yeah.

I met some Iwis over there. Yeah. Whereas the South Island, there's one. Like, Naito, who's just one tribe on the South Island, the North Island has many. So it definitely has to go through a lot more. If you're trying to agree on certain things, it's got to go through more people.

Got it. And does your dad have a... Is he a very Hawaiian guy?

Very much so. I mean, in the sense of like-Because there's so much pride in that culture.

It's such a unique culture.

Yeah. I come from the west side of O'ahu. My dad lives in Nanakulie. Most of my family is like, Nanakuli, Wainai, and then Mqaha. And that whole west side is called Hawaiian Homestead Land. It's like our reservation-esque thing. But my father is very much a waterman. And in that sense-What does that mean?

He likes to be out in the water?

Yeah. Out rigors, paddling, surfing. He was a coach. I mean, just a waterman as in knowledge of sailing, knowledge of-Anything out there.

And you're Aquaman, which is crazy.

Which is crazy.

That's crazy.

It is. And I've always wanted to... My family is very much... Some of the last living legends of surfing or of waterman is my great uncle is Buffalo Quilana.

Bring him up. See if we can get a gander at him.

Buffalo Quilana. And Brian Quilana is an amazing waterman, too, who's my cousin. And Rusty is a four-time world champion. So I just come from a bar, the Quilana's. Oh, wow. That's Uncle Buff.

Hell, yeah, dude.

Beautiful wine man, yeah.

Yeah, I think I've seen him on the pictures of the bronzer at the tanning salon as well. I'll just say this. They're using his name, image, and likeness over there. Okay, it's Suntan City. I'll say that fast. He's beautiful. Dude, that's awesome.

Yeah, I always wanted to be with him, but that's the family.

And he still lives over there?

He does, yeah.

Wow. That's beautiful, man. Yeah, I just want to do Hawaiian feel like It seems to me like Hawaiian always feel a responsibility to uphold their culture, or that they're Hawaiian. There just seems to be a certain level of respect that they carry about themselves with that.

I think that's true. I think there's a lot of things that What's going to happen to our people? It's been very challenging and what's happened and getting our identity back, getting our culture back, getting our language back. I'm sure there's a lot of There's a lot of things. Yeah, there's a lot of terror and trauma that's happened to the Hawaiian Islands. There's a lot.

Yeah. I think when you have something beautiful, people want it.

Yeah, absolutely.

It's so nice over there, dude. Dude, I even remember one time I was drowning over there, and I remember being like, Where else am I going to drown? It was so nice. I remember looking back at the shoreline. I was snorkeling, and I wasn't doing well. I was losing. I remember looking at the shoreline, and I thought I was going to drown. I was like, Dude, where else are you going to drown? You're going to drown in a Hampton in pool somewhere outside of Jacksonville or something. No, dude, this is where you do it. There was almost this crazy moment of peace with just how It was beautiful. It was there. It's a really special place.

Where were you at when you were drowning, man?

I was in Maui.

Was there waves? Was it just because it was deep water?

There were waves, but it was like- You just got a little too carried away and you got too far out, maybe? Yeah, I went snorkeling, and it was by myself. Bad idea, huh?

Yeah, it's bad to do anything. Yeah, go in the water and do it by yourself. Yeah.

And that's what I realized. It was fun. It was fun. And I remember I got out there a little bit and I was like, oh, man. And then I would see the fish, but then the water would go down and then I would just be almost like trying to not get on the coral or whatever, like being like that. And then we'll go back. It was just like, it just got super scary. And then I was further and further out and I started getting really, really spooked.

Yeah. Well, there's just different rips, too. Yeah.

Yeah, I caught a bad rip.

I think every surfer, everyone drowns.

Have you ever been in a drowning before out there?

Very much so.

No way.

Yeah, I've drowned. It's a beautiful teacher, in the oceans. She's the ultimate teacher, so it sucks. Driving sucks. Yeah. There's no way about it.

Yeah, RIP, man.

You just see your slow death. It sucks. Everything flashes in and you can't move your arms anymore, and you're going down and can't breathe. That's when I I used to smoke a lot. I smoked cigars still, but it took me a while to get back to it. But I used to smoke two packs a day. It was pretty just love, love, love. Then I tried to slow down. I'd be like, roll a pouch, and then I'd burn a pouch in a day.

Just rolling them yourself?

I just love tobacco.

Damn, I can't believe alcohol was a damn smoker. That's inspiring, actually, dude. You can do anything, people.

And that was the hard one to quit. I mean, that's a fair share of shit. But it's like, I think smoking was I couldn't stop for my family. And then when I drowned, someone took my breath. I came out of that water and that thing died. And I mean, I tried really hard to stop many times, and I came out. And if I tried to smoke, I'd vomit. That part of me just died because it took my breath, and I had to go through it. And then the reason I got saved is I actually hit the outer reef because I was over a half mile offshore. It's just there's two reefs. So I was on the outer reef of Maui, and it was doing some Coast pedaling, and I hit the reef, and it just touched my toe. And I just bubbled down, grabbed the reef, and just jumped up, and then got hit another wave. And I just held onto the reef and waited. I was out there for a while.

Dang. Who rescued you?

I was with Laird. I was surfing with Laird.

I saw him once at a Whole Foods.

Yeah, it sounds on point. It's not on brand. Yeah. But yeah. And Dave Kalama and my friend Joe Flanigan. Yeah, but it was my leash snapped. I was stuck out in the middle of the ocean, and it was just very windy and took the board and it was gone.

And smoking was done for you?

Yeah. Never smoked again. Damn. Look at you guys over here. Just type quick and get it up. Boom, boom, boom.

Yeah, I was looking at your new film. It's called The Wrecking Crew.

I'm I'm excited for you to see it. It's funny. I saw it.

Oh, you did? Yeah. Oh, thank you. I've seen it, dude. I know the premiere was last night, so sorry, I missed that. But no, I saw it on my computer. They sent me a screener of it. Yeah, dude, it's great. It's so beautiful. It's so nice to be able to just... You feel like you're in Hawaii for a while.

Yeah, it's just the movies we grew up with, right? Lethal Weapon, 48-Hour, all these things, buddy cop movies. I did a TV show with David Batista. He played my brother in C on Apple.

Oh, yeah. And he plays your brother in this. Go on. Sorry.

Yeah. And we just got really close. And it's like in this business, when you meet someone you really like, you're like, oh, we should. In the next one, it'd be fun to do a comedy instead of covered in blood and us beating each other. So I had this pitch to him, and now it's been for two decades. One of the first things I ever wrote was a pitch packet and told him. And the next day, he just posted it and put it out there and went viral.

What about you guys doing it together?

Yeah, and attached David Leach to it. And basically, this is what we're doing. Do you like it? Everyone freaking out. My agent's calling me going like, what are we doing? And the next morning, I'm like, Dave, I didn't even know that Dave would do that. And Dave just did it. I like that. Yeah, me and you were Twins. I mean, it just put it out there.

Faternal twins, too. Yeah. And people are like, I don't know. I don't know. People are like, this is before and after. Yeah.

Anyways, in and our showrunner, Jonathan Tropper, ended up writing it. It's just a fun movie where I wanted to laugh a little more, and it'll make you cry. Working out the family trauma, that stuff. It's never too late.

Yeah, there's some sweet stuff in it. The action is really great. I loved it. I mean, it's a nice easy... It's an easy movie to watch, and it's just super enjoyable, and it's beautifully shot. It's just in Hawaii. It's just like, Oh, if you can't afford to take your wife to Hawaii, take her to see this movie.

That's the best pitch. It's not bad. She spent too much money this weekend. Can't quite take her on vacation. The Wrecking Crew, you're welcome. Jason, thanks, bro.

Just put a little Coco butter on her arms and take her to see The Wrecking Crew. Tell her it's the same thing. You got to tell her it's the same thing, man. Was there ever a movie role where you liked it so much or the environment that you were at, you liked so much? You're like, I wish I could stay here. I wish this was my life?

That's an interesting question, where you just want to stay in that time period in that place. Yeah.

Or even as that person, even.

I did this show Chief of War, that came out last year, and I think it was really cool because it's all about-It's on Apple TV? It's all about Hawaii. Yeah, it's like when they're uniting the Kingdom. It would have been really beautiful to be in Hawaii before the white man arrived and just see see that time and place and see what our people are like, our ancestors. It was so special to make that show because you grow up in Iowa and you watch last the Mohicans and then Braveheart. You see all these things like, I would love to see my cold trip. I love Samurai movies or Native American movies. And all we had was paintings. My grandparents, they've never seen a movie with us wearing all the regalia and going into the big battles with no metal. So it's just brutal battles.

The UFC.

To the next level.

Yeah, before they had.

Like a shark teeth. You're ripping each other apart. So just imagining that or seeing a movie on that scale. It took me a long time to make that show because...

Oh, yeah, that's beautiful. And also as a gay Mardi Gras vibe as well, I'll say that. But that's just a joke. I think it's very beautiful that you get to even envision something like this. That's crazy, dude.

Oh, man.

It's crazy to even get to see moments like that. Even just on a movie set or something like that, it must be so bizarre to see moments like that. Have you seen this?

You should see just the trailers or something when I'm rolling. We have some spare time, it's pretty wild. The fight scenes in this are pretty wild.

Yeah, that's amazing.

Anyway, so that was the first thing I ever created. I was a co-creator and produced it, I co-wrote it and directed the finale and started it. So that was my big... That's my-That's your baby? Yeah, it's my baby. They're my people.

That's beautiful, dude. Was that special to your dad or special to some of your friends and family from home?

I think everyone because all the people I was... When I was 19, I hired on Baywatch to make up artists to craft services to your drivers. They knew me when I was 19. I'm coming back at 45 at the time, 44, and coming back and making something like doing Baywatch was just shit. And then coming back and doing something that's about our people. It was a real big honor, man, for sure. I mean, that's my ultimate goal. I'm done now. I'm just going to do fun shit, and I want to do comedy. We're going to do Minecraft with Jack Black again.

Oh, nice.

Excited to do that. Thanks, buddy. Sorry about that.

You're good, man. When you were doing that show, did you go to parts of the island and learn stuff about Hawaii that you didn't know before?

Yes, but also got to go and just scout and go to places I've never been. Meet uncles and aunties and people who just know so much about our culture. We had to learn. We had to do it. We did it in a little Hawaii.

You did it in where?

A little Hawaii. So we did it in our native language. Oh, native tongue? Yeah, native tongue. So all the other characters in here, I'd say half of the cast, it's all Polynesia. So you got to understand, there's Māori, New Zealand. There's Samoan, there's Tongan, there might have been some T'Hichin, but all of us in Kanaka, Māori, which is us, all these different people who had different their own languages, they had to learn this ancient language. So everyone in there doing that, it's hard. It was the hardest for me, but I thought it would have been a lot easier, but it was very challenging for me.

Yeah, the Tongans are tough, huh?

Simones and Tongans Yeah, they're all tough.

Who's the toughest one, though?

I wouldn't fuck with a Tongan.

Bring up a Tongan.

I wouldn't fuck with a Simone. I'm good.

Pull up a pair of Tongans. I heard you should never have just one.

I mean, look at that guy over there. There you go. Click on that one. That guy on the right.

Oh, my God. That guy is doing something different.

You know what? We're all Lojas, so it's nice. We don't have to fuck. I don't have to in the fight with the tongue.

Yeah, no, I'm never going to.

But that's wild. Just Polynesians in general, man. They're just like, oh, it's such a different breed.

Dude, you know who I like? Filipinos. They're like the comfortable Polynesians. There you go. And they're the smiling people. They are. And they're the last people that most people see before they die because a lot of them work in hospice care, which is crazy. When you think about that, imagine you're laying there and you open up a little, and it's just some Filipinos, dude. And they're just singing something nice to you.

I mean, it sounds nice.

That's a portable Hawaii, dude.

I just hope my kids are there, and they're looking after me. But I'm going to put that shit on them. You put me in a home, I'm going to haunt your ass. I'm not going to fucking haunt your ass. You put me in a home. Dude. I'm going to have my fans break me out.

You think you'd be a good ghost, though, dude?

There's another script right there. Me and you old, we'll just do all the old makeup. Yeah. Yeah? Just us in our dying ages in a nursing home. Yeah. Fans break us out.

And they break us out, and then what?

I don't know. Yeah. We go to a comic Con for the old-time days, and you interview them all. Yeah. We do like the hangover. We just relive all the good times.

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I love David Spade.

Oh, he's the best, dude. Yeah. So I'm excited about that.

Tommy boy, one of my favorites.

That was one of the best ever. Was there-That's just an old-time buddy, or you just were like, yeah. He and I became friends four years ago, five years ago, and we became really close friends. And then we started We had an idea, and when he started writing it. It took a year, and then we decided to just self-fund it. And it was a $4 million budget, I think. And then I think we got one investor, and we made it. We shot in 23 days. Wonderful.

What's it called?

It was exciting. It's called Bus Boys. It's about two guys who weren't doing that good. One of them loses his girlfriend to a waiter at a restaurant. We figured if we can become waiters, then everything will be great.

That's why you're still going to be the bus boy. You're talking about what we were talking about, like professional bus boys. Yeah.

I channeled this one. People like, This is just whimsicle. What are you guys doing? No, this is in me, bitch. You feel me? So, yeah, I definitely channeled that. And David was a bus boy, too, in Arizona as well when he was growing up.

They wouldn't make me a waiter. That was my last job. Yeah, I was a bus boy at two places.

I could see that.

They wouldn't let me. They're trying to hold me down.

Oh, yeah. Dude, there's a glass ceiling.

Yeah. I never made a waiter.

Yeah, it's everywhere.

Fuck waiters. Busboys are dope, dude. Bus boys are dope. Bus boys are dope. They're always the cool. They're going to have the drugs. They're going to know where the shit's at. They're going to have the drugs. They're going to have the bread. You know what I mean? Bus boys are dope. Yeah, who are you going to get extra butter? They're in with the dishwasher. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Who's got extra butter?

The Bus Boys do. For sure. I love salt and pepper. Guess he's got that. Let's go see your waiter do that. No, they're all fucking making more money than you.

Yeah, they're all counting. They're usually counting their money.

Not sharing their tips is what they're not doing.

Type shit, homie. That's what they're doing, And who's got the extra salt? You know what?

I'm going to tip my waitress less, and I'm going to slip my busboy more. I haven't been doing that. I want to say, Where's the fucking busboy at? I'm going to throw him. I'm going to throw the homies or homets some fucking loot.

Started at the bottom. It all happened because of Reagan, because of trickle down economics. Who started trickle down economics? Bring that up. It was Reagan, wasn't it? Give it to the waiters, they'll give it to the bus boys. That's not helping. I was just at the nurses' strike. The largest nurses' strike in New York City history is going on right now. Right now?

Yeah.

I just came from it a little while ago. It was awesome. I like strikes because it's like being in a parade because I'm from New Orleans. It's like you're definitely partying at a band out there. Yeah, but it's the largest nurses strike that's ever happened in New York City. It's going on right now. Oh, my goodness. So you can play that real. There you are. Play it right there.

They're from New Orleans.

The band was They played... Actually, they did Abbey Road. They did a whole album. Really? Which I thought was impressive, dude. Even that one where it's like, bang, bang, Maxwell's Silver Hammer came down upon his head. Yeah, they even played that one, and they only had three instruments. But yeah, I loved it. I really enjoy that. My sister's a nurse, so I was like, Oh, this is going on, dude. I'm out there. Now, did I think I would meet some hot nurses? Yeah. But a lot of them are men these days, which doesn't mean they can't be hot, but I had a different bedside manner in mine. Anyway, moving on, Jason, you pervert. Do you get to a point in your career? Because it is interesting to hear you say where you feel like you have some personal achievement or some personal success or something where you feel like, Okay, I'm okay. Does that make any sense to you? Because we're all trying to... Everyone's trying to feel like... We all want to feel some... A lot of people want How do you feel some success. I mean, I noticed in my own life, what makes me feel like, Okay, I'm okay for me?

It's a very complex I mean, there's many things I'm going through, and maybe that's just my age. I've been, like you were saying, trying to accomplish, get to a certain place. Just because you Just because even in those worst times and maybe not doing the things I really, truly want to be doing, but I'm doing it to put food on the table. And then I get to the place where I'm actually like, wow, I'm producing, writing, doing all these things. And this is my dream come true. Why was I happier when I was in the fucking hole? Why was I happier back then? Is it just because it's nostalgic? I mean, why? Was it because I was still hunting? I'm hungry? I mean, I got to this place where I considered, well, I don't have any I've never, per se dreams as an actor. I never thought I'd get this far in the first place. You know what I mean? The biggest dream to me is make a TV show or a movie for my people, make a real, true, authentical story. I did that. The comic book I always read when I was a kid, I'm fucking playing him.

Then you're like, the video game that I fucking loved, I'm fucking playing him, too. It's like, all these things are great. Then Sometimes, but you're not, why do you not feel?

Does that happen? You think even in career, you got such a great career. Does it happen even in careers like yours? Do you think that's just a human thing? I guess it's just a human thing. Yeah.

Yeah. But I just try to have gratitude in all of it, man, because I have so many friends that maybe could be ill, sick, dying. I'm the person, pretty high energy, and I'm really, really generally happy. I'm like Christmas morning every morning. I'm pretty fucking happy. I don't need coffee. I'm jazzed. Dang. And so I love morning. I love being up, and I don't necessarily sleep that much. So I'll probably die earlier. But my days are filled.

Yeah. They're going to be filled with freaking Filipinos as well, dude. That's for sure. If this is the rate you're going at.

But I can't sit still. And I think if I don't have those things, I was pretty self-destructive if I wasn't creating and constantly doing stuff. So I think that's what gives me... I don't necessarily think there's a measure by, oh, because I'm in this movie or this and this and that. I'm actually like, there's these little smaller things that I love doing.

Staying busy.

Yeah, but it's like the things I really truly love. I'm an environmentalist at heart. So I work as much as I can with different... It's all the things, the little small things that probably no one gives a shit about that I give about. It's like trying to do those things that I really love. And it's not about being necessarily seen, but it's trying to help in certain things that I love and care about.

Yeah. Do you think a lot of that stuff comes back to you more once you've gotten a certain level? Because life just gets busy. In your 30s and 40s, life gets busy, right? And especially if you have a busy career like yours or a career we have to travel a lot, and it varies from place to place, location to location. I find that it just gets hard to focus on some of the smaller things that are more important to me sometimes. So is it easier? Do you feel like it's easier now in your career to be able to have more time for those types of things?

I don't have any time for those things. Yeah, I have a hard time saying no. So I say yes to everything. And I'm like, I work a lot. So if someone comes in and I'm fully loaded, I'm like, yeah, I can't not not say I guess. And so I don't know. Here's the thing. I'm doing everything I love to do. So I don't ever think of it as work. I'm just doing things I love to do. And so that's maybe the biggest honor of it all. And I think that's I don't want my kids now. They look at me, they're like, Oh, my dad does what he loves to do, which maybe I didn't when earlier in my life. It was just to make sure I can put... It was very worrisome earlier because like I said, I wasn't on the best shows.

Yeah, it's more survival.

People were like, Oh, why don't you go do that movie? I'm like, I didn't have an agent. I couldn't get called. I couldn't get those things. And so now I'm in a good place. But I'm like, Oh, I'm making it for a lost time. I'm like, There's so many things I want to do in this life. It's a bit crammed in. But I I'm doing everything I love.

Yeah.

I wouldn't say I'm taking care of myself the best, but I'm like, something's got to give. I'm like, fuck, that's why I'm this big. Burn this bitch down.

Well, if it's not, if there's our muscles. Here we go. Yeah, here we go, dude. Fire up the feely truck. Back them up, dude. Let them in the room.

But what about you? You're just blown up in your time. How does it feel to you?

Do you I think this year, I just recently started thinking to having a little bit more like, okay, I think everything will be okay. I'll be able to eat and have a roof over my head for the rest of my life. I have a little bit more semblance of like, okay, what does things look like for those around me? What are some other things that I can put my time into? I've been touring mostly for probably about 17 years for probably half the weeks. This year, I don't have any tour dates. It's nice to be like, Oh, what does this look like? I had two months with no, three months with no tour dates, and I was like, This is crazy. What is this? But there's still a lot of podcasting, and there's still a ton of work to do with this, but it's not like I have to travel as much. Sometimes for the first It's the first time it feels like my spirit even can be in one place where it can gather its thoughts. I feel like I've just been playing hide and go seek with myself for a long time, just even geographically.

Having some more just Having some more solace and being in one spot has really helped me just to start to get a look around me.

Do you ghost or crazy? Because we're such gyipsy. We have to... Our careers are-A little bit, but sometimes that's a trap for me. I know what you're like, Arnie. I'm like, Oh, my God. I would love to get some rest. Then you get rest for a solid week, and you're like, I got to get the fuck out of here.

I got to get the fuck out of this rest.

I was like, my ass hurts, my back hurts.

And you're in a rest area along the interstate. You're like, This is insane.

Did you get that? Where you're just like, Oh, man, I got to get out.

Oh, for sure. But I think sometimes I got to be careful because that's a trap, man. That's just the devil trying to get me back out there.

Do you work with that in sobriety? Is that a thing? Do you have to do A?

Yeah, I go to A meetings, and I go to that stuff. I've been in and out of sobriety for 10 years, probably, mostly in, and so that's been good. Yeah, I like it just because otherwise, I just can't... I'll do too much of the cocaine, to be honest, but I'll do too much of it. I just don't want to be around it. I'll even walk and just look straight at the ground and see if anybody's dropped it sometimes outside. I'll fucking run right into something. What was that? Not an eight ball, I'll tell you that. I just peeped this whole block. But yeah, man, dude, I'll tell you this crazy story. One time, my friend and I, and I didn't even know anything about drugs, my friend and I are going to my apartment, he was staying in town. He's getting out of the taxi. He dropped a little thing of cocaine in the taxi. When I'm getting out, I just see it on the thing. I pick it up and put it in my pocket. He didn't tell me that he had ever done cocaine. He'd been doing it, but he didn't tell me.

I just thought he was itchy or whatever because it was spring. We go in my apartment, he's like, Hey, man, will you help me look for something? I'm like, Yeah, what is it? He wouldn't tell me what it was. I'm like, That doesn't make any sense, but I'll help you. Me and him are walking around looking for something that I don't know what it is. Then I kept sneaking off and doing the cocaine. Now, at one point, he gave up and went to sleep. I'm walking around my apartment looking everywhere for something. It was the drugs I was doing. Absolute insanity, dude.

Absolute insanity, bro.

Yeah. I mean, people can get lost out there. But yeah, dude.

Did you ever read that Miles Davis? You ever read Miles Davis's biography? Uh-uh. There's this great part where he was up in Harlem, and at the time, he was at the peak of his career. He had this Lamborghini. Let's just say it's bright yellow. It snowing outside, and he comes up to this spot, and he's in Harlem, gets out, goes in, and he's coming back out, and he gets back in the car. He got some drugs, comes back out, gets in car, looks down, and he's like, fuck, he like, drugs are all the coke is all over the floor, and he's fucking freaking out. And then he thinks he's going to get busted by the cops. So he just gets out, goes back in, hides in his fucking closet, waits it out for a couple of hours, sweating it out, and he's on the drugs. Yeah. Comes back out hours later. Car is still there because they know it's Miles Davis. Open up the door, and all the drugs are gone. And he clicks, and he's like, It was fucking snow on his shoes. When he got in and totally lost his mind, he thought he spilled all the fuck.

I was like, that's a good time. That was a pro story.

That's a good time, yeah. And he didn't drive, which is the best That's the best part, guys.

That's the best part. Good job, Miles.

October 21st, 1972. Miles Davis, never mind, wrecked his coked-filled Miura and broke both of his legs. So he took it for one lap. Jim Glickeenhouse was the first person on scene. Miles in the hospital for a long time and didn't play for almost a year. Dang. That'll make you quit doing drugs right there. That'll make you quit smoking, dude. That's his drying near the reef right there. Dang. But if my legs were broken, I could still do cocaine, I think. I hate to say that. And don't say that to your kids. So now you have children?

I've had them, man.

Did you collect some along the way? I didn't mean that, but did you Did you have a family that you had planned, or was it just like, did you have children?

No, I was married and kids.

Oh, nice, man. Was it cool being a father? Was that a scary thing for you?

It's actually funny. He just got into-Oh, yeah.

Beautiful kids.

He just got into acting. I mean, they've been acting and doing-Wolf is his name? Yeah.

That's a cool name.

Nekoa Wolf. But he's going to be in Dune with me.

Dune?

Yeah, he's Leto Jr. Dang. So he auditioned on his own and got it, and killed him.

Was he geeked?

I mean, those guys grew up watching me. He was sitting on Affleck's lap, and she's sitting with Gal, and we're doing Justice League. They were like six and eight. Wow. Justice League, they grew up on set with me. So it's so much. Yeah, he was in a Batman outfit for at least five years. The kid loves all that and love Dune. And so, yeah, my babies are Lo is a singer, so she wants to continue in music, and Wolf wants to do acting. Which I was very... She's such a gnarly business. I'm like, I'm going to be a doctor. Use your brain.

Yeah, and go pay these nurses, doc. Actually, it's the hospitals that aren't paying them. But yeah, dude, that's got to be interesting if your kid wants to go down that road. But then you'll have a lot of experience, too, and you'll be there to help them be supportive in that way. Yeah. Andy's doing it. He's young, so we can try it out. Yeah.

Absolutely. Guide them. You have kids?

No, I don't have any kids yet. I want to get some kids. Sorry. I would like to have children. I'm not trying to get some kids. No, I want all kids to be free. If they're not If I don't know them, I don't want to know them. That's my rule. If I don't know kids, I don't want to know them. People are like, Hey, I want you to shoot my kids. I'm like, Fuck, no. I don't want to meet your kids, dude. People are perverts, man. These politicians. Anyway, what else are we talking about?

You got a special lady you're with right now?

No, I don't. That's another thing.

You're a free bird right now, too? What's that? You're a free bird?

Free bird, yeah. But I would like to have a spouse. I would like to have a woman. Spouse, too. And I would like to... Yeah, I would like to have that, man. So it'll happen. It's just like, I just got... I think for one, two, I've just been going all the time. It was like, I'd be dating somebody, and I'd be out of town for a while, and you come back and you're like, Oh, shit, I forgot about this. Not in a bad way. It's just like my brain was somewhere else. It's hard for me to focus on stuff sometimes. I think I just feel more that semblance of like, Okay, now this maybe could be more manageable. But I got to change some of my own ways and stuff like that a little bit, too, and be more purposeful. I think about just different prayer and different things like that overall.

You come from a big family. You got brothers, sisters?

Yeah, I got three siblings, and one of them is I'm married.

You're a baby.

I'm one of the middle kids, two boys and two girls. So we got a good little group. But nobody in my family can swim that good, though. We're not big. No? Yeah, land people. Yeah. Land people. If you need us, we'll be on the land. That's our motto, dude. That's our family motto. I'm going to get it tattooed on my brother's back.

When you're in Ireland, look, what sports are you into?

Basketball. Dude, is it true that they have the team called the Tall Blacks?

Yeah.

Is that true? The basketball team in New Zealand is called the Tall Blacks? Yeah. That's freaking amazing, dude. In New Orleans, we have... Well, we have some of the players are thick over there. So we got the Round Browns over there. That's our team. No offense, Zion Williamson, but his weight does fluctuate. And he's cost our city a lot of money. But what is this? Oh, that's a New Zealand All Blacks? I don't know. This is a bunch of Ben Simmonses. They got maybe one and a half brothers on this team, dude. But hey, that's awesome, though. Good for them.

You're a big basketball fan?

I like college football. It's probably my favorite.

College football? Who's your team?

I'm a Tennessee and a LSU guy. Those are my squads. What about you?

I don't do college football that much.

You didn't get into it with your size? I'm sure they were like, Get out here, boy.

I was a hockey.

Really?

Yeah.

You were a goalie?

No, I was center. No. But I love soccer, too, man. I was playing soccer, but then I was a skateboarder. They all want you to get in the rest. Yeah, that's weird.

But if you were a surfer, that makes sense.

Yeah. No, I just grew up skating. I wasn't always this big. But that's what I was doing when I was little and took that into high school. But I love skateboarding. And then surprisingly, my main love is rock climbing. So I travel the world rock climbing, and that was my thing.

Did you ever go rock climbing with-Sharma? Jerard Letto?

No. I mean, I've seen him out when we've been climbing. He loves it. He does. He climbs a lot with Honald.

Honald? Alex Honold? Yeah. Oh, cool.

Yeah. He climbs a lot with him. They do like the old cap and all stuff together.

He took I went to a party here one time. I just remember to New York, and everybody was dressed like they looked like different birds and stuff. It was pretty crazy. And there was no air condition in the place. It was fancy. It was bizarre, but it was what you would expect out of him. Yeah, that's people out on the rock right there. Yeah, rock climbing is pretty amazing, isn't it?

I love it.

What makes you love it so much?

Well, it's something I did when I was little. At the first moment, my mom took me climbing in South Dakota, and when I touched the rock and just moved on it, it just felt like I'm probably better at climbing than I am at walking. My body just feels. It's just something that you connect with that you really enjoy. But I love just the fear and the problem solving and the fear of it all, because we'll do deep water soloing now, and Majorca, and you climb up, and then you fall down in the water. But it's just the challenge of... I love climbing stuff when I was a kid. I love climbing trees. I love just climbing. So I don't know. I'm a fucking gorilla. I don't know what to say. Being in the dirt, and I just enjoy taking my kids. My kids do it, and it just keeps us out in nature. Something to do, I guess, it'd be fishing or hunting for other people, but being in nature and going to do adventures and setting out to do something and accomplishing it. But also the other thing, too, is I think I'm very much, I'm not diagnosed ADHD, but there's a lot of things going on.

I feel like when I ride motor cycles and I go rock climbing, it's just like you can't do anything else but be there. So that's just a little bit of my therapy or meditation. It's like that's when everything just gets real clean and clear.

Makes you focus in.

Yeah. Everyone gets high on that or loves that. When you can really mind, body, spirit connects and you're flowing something, that's what you know.

When you're zipping down on a freaking motorcycle, you can't... Yeah, it's hard to be like, Oh, I got to do that email or whatever.

Which is like, everyone, you're in a car, you're doing your makeup, you're eating food, you're talking to someone, you're paying attention to shit where you're riding a motorcycle, you're going to die if you're doing your makeup while you're riding your motorcycle, you're fucked. It's not easy.

Unless they come all the self-driving motor cycles, which I read about, that's going to be... I'm like, What are we doing now? So you're driving a motorcycle? Yeah, that's not what we need.

No.

A lot of organ donors are motorcyclists, and I didn't mean to say that out loud to you, but you knew it.

I'm an organ donor. A lot of them are. You're an organ donor?

A lot of them are, yeah. You keeping them?

No. I don't know if anyone wants them. Fucking pickled. I'm actually waiting for this AI, and it should come around to go like, Yo, two new kidneys, the liver's and kidney's right here. Let's go.

Livers and kidney's, dude.

That's what I need, bro.

Oh, yeah. I want a fresh sack of lungs, boy. Them inner tits. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

And then just nail them again. 30 more years of just bashing these bitches up. Yeah, dude. Toughen up, fucker.

Bro, that'd be crazy. You're like, 95.

Swap them out?

Yeah, I'm 95, but I got a seven-year-old liver. Yeah. You're just parring on that thing.

Just getting hammered drunk on a one bud light.

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Well, we do a lot of action, and When generally, there's not a lot of big guys that are good actors and do action. It's a rare thing to have all of them. And I think Dave is a phenomenal actor, and I really wanted to fight him and see. And I was like, dude, I would love to go toe to toe with him. And it's just like, yeah, I respect him. And then when we met, we're very different, but super... There's no ego. We're very supportive of each other. We understand the story. It's just a wonderful... When you find an acting partner that you're there for the story instead of your career. A lot of guys, a lot of famous dudes can't bleed or can't get hurt. I'm like, Fuck, I die in everything. My kids beg me not to die anymore. I'm like, That's how you fucking eat. I'm like, You're not going to die again. I'm like, Everything. That's how you have your life. So I'm not afraid to do all that stuff and bleed. And I think Dave likes to get down and dirty, too. But he's just a really great guy. The reason why we want to do it again is because it's just a good working Yeah, it's a great relationship.

Yeah.

His acting is great.

Yeah. I saw him in Blade Runner, and I just thought he was phenomenal. And it was so subtle. He's very just the opposite of me. I couldn't be subtle if he tried.

I thought you did a great job in this movie, man. Thanks, bud. Yeah.

Thank you.

I don't know if I even pay attention. I guess it's like if you're not paying attention, if you're not noticing the acting, then it's great, right? Isn't that usually the thought?

Yeah. If it's not tripping you up, yeah, it's Do you feel like it's gotten easier to act over time?

Do you start to just understand it better? Does it become a little bit more like a muscle? What is that like?

I just think I'm getting chances to do it now. I've never been in a rom-com. My first comedy was last year with Jack Black doing Minecraft. So it's just now finally catching on that I can-Do other stuff? Yeah, I'm not just getting my ass kicked and dying all the time.

Yeah, you're not just a bouncer who's freaking going to the salon or whatever. Yeah.

I think after Game of Thrones, people didn't know what to do with me. So it's like, he didn't speak English. So I was like, what the fuck do you do with Drogo? We're like, who are we going to put in that rom-com? Drogo is... I mean, he's handsome. Let's get that, motherfucker. I hope he speaks English. He's French. What are you going to have?

This is hilarious. That's great.

Have you ever get to spend any time with Jack?

I haven't gotten to spend any time with him. Oh, man. So funny?

No, he's just Just the greatest human, man. You just would love just being with him. He's so much fun. Oh, that's great. It's just like he's that all the time. After work, we go eat together. I just like people who don't act one way, and then when it works over, there's someone different. I wear my heart on my sleeve. This is exactly who I am. This is what you're going to get.

Here we are. Do you ever get people that confuse you for people a lot? Because I'll let people come up me sometimes, and they think I'm Tony Cavalero. Do you get people like that sometimes, I think? Or even like this? If you walked in downstairs, somebody might think you're walking Phoenix downstairs because how we did that Letterman, remember? Pull up walking Phoenix on Letterman that time.

What?

See if we're close or not.

Yeah. That's pretty much it, bro. There's my twin brother right there, dude.

If you were walking Phoenix today this whole time- Bro, put these on. If you tell me you're walking Phoenix, bro, it's going to get crazy in here. Oh, wow.

I'm fucking blind. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, dude.

I wear this so I can see.

Those are prescription.

Yeah, no, I wear glasses.

Dude, I wear glasses. Yeah. Mine are downstairs. My eyes are going bad. I just can't do contacts.

I can't put them in, man.

I'm not putting a little thing like that in my eye, like a little sight pain.

Would you ever get the little surgery?

I don't think I would. I don't want somebody going in my eye. I don't want that. While I'm laying there like some pedophile.

I don't think you look like that guy. But do you know who the Dance and Outlaw is?

That guy that does the Tennessee Two-Step guy? Yeah.

There you are.

That guy. Which is his name? You could Jessica White? Bro.

Dude, you could totally play Jessica White.

You could.

You, dude. Not me.

I thought you were saying you look like him.

No, man. Pull up the one where he's got no beard. The one in the middle. Dude, that's you for days. What are you talking about? Oh, God.

Listen, I said nice things about him.

I know, dude.

This guy.

No, you're not getting Jessica White?

This guy is a fucking listening to Methodone all day, which is a band. But it's only... Yeah, I'm joking. Okay. All right. My bad. No, that's okay. Is there any recent... Is there a recent interview with Jessica White, or did he pass away?

He passed away. Damn. You should listen to the way he talks. It's probably because you guys... Maybe it's because you sound familiar.

That's him?

No, that doesn't look like... He looks like Hunter Thompson right there.

Yeah, that is not-No, that's not. No.

Yeah, it says Jessica White. Wow. He's dead now. That's the kid rock. You I'm going to interview Kid Rock.

Yeah, he lives in Nashville.

That'd be easy, then.

I see him there all the time. He has his name.

Oh, he does. He's got a club.

Yeah, he has a club, and he has a crazy house, where he built a replica of the White House up on this hill there. No shit. It's insane. It's insane. It It's it. And he collects a lot of cool stuff. Bob is his real name, but he's a super interesting guy, and he's really nice, too. That's his house right there.

I think, holy shit.

It's crazy, bro. And it's got a lot of kid rock stuff in it. Nobody's a You're a fan of kid rock than kid rock, dude.

I feel like, is he doing new albums?

Yeah, he still does stuff. He has a Rock the Country. Okay. Pull that up. I think it's called Rock the Country that just came out, a new tour that just came out that Ella Langley is going to be on, Jason Aldean, Williams, Hank Williams. There you go, Kid Rock. Jason Aldean, Blake Shelton, Jolly Roll, Creed. Dude, I could see you play Scott Stapp in a biopic or biopic, whatever they call it.

You getting me back at that, Jessica White. I deserved it. I apologize.

Dude, you know why I used to love Soundgarden, dude.

Of course. Yeah, man. What a legend.

And I feel... Was that them? Shit, maybe I don't know who they are. These are the eyes of disarray.

No, that's not- Would you even care? And I'm feeling...

Oh, Stonewell Pilates.

Stonewell Pilates, yeah.

Dude, Stonewell Pilates was good, bro. They were. What's the first concert you ever went to?

I was at the Iowa State Fair. What the fuck is his name? He does Bourbon, one Scotch and Beard. Jesus Christ, what's his name?

Trace Atkins, maybe? No.

God damn it. It's okay. Bad as a bone. George Sourya? Yeah, George Sourya. One bear, one Scotch, one bear. Iowa State Fair, baby.

Dude, how nice is that thing?

Iowa State Fair? Yeah. It's amazing. Haven't been in years. Funnel cake.

But I'm not driving across town for a funnel cake. But I guess that one would be the best because you'd have all the animals, you'd have all the crafts. Yeah. In the big rides?

I had a good time there when I was growing up.

Yeah, I guess people did.

I couldn't walk around there now. I'd be fucking screwed. There's no way.

Yeah. You'd have to hide. You'd have to dress up like something.

Those days are over, man.

But it's your size. Do you have to disguise yourself as something unique if you're out in the public?

There's no way I'm going to hide. You could hide. I can't hide. I mean, I'm in the flannel and the hat. It's about as hiding as it gets. If you got a special outfit. I mean, you mean if God is like Boba Fett or like fucking the helmet on, like Iron Man? I mean, I could hide if I had a helmet on. Yeah.

Yeah. If you were like a football helmet or something.

I was in Jordan one time. We were shooting Dune, and I wanted to go see Petra, and I got all wrapped up, and it was great because to walk through there, there's tons of tourists. And so I did the whole full wrap and everything's on. But it was hot, and there's a little bit of my triangles were sticking out. And we're walking through, and this This girl is seizing. She goes, and I'm like, this fucking thing gets me in trouble more than anything, man.

Because is that a...

Is that like a Hawaiian tattoo? This is basically tapped on, and I have one that goes on my head.

It goes right through there. And how do people earn? Do you earn them or how do you get it?

This is like a family crest. Think of it like that. It's like a Guardian. This is the shark, and this is for protection. Those are the Ihe, the spear. This is the mono, the shark. So basically, when I'm in the water and we're snorkeling, the shark knows to go to you because you're white and I'm Hawaiian. So it's like, this is what just lets them know.

Yeah, that's fair. I got to get something.

You just roll with me. I'll be like, I'll point it somewhere else.

I'll be on your back. Pointing out the directions that way.

Have you ever seen any sharks? Have you ever seen anything?

I went swimming with sharks one time in South Africa. We're in a cage. Have you ever seen any?

Big great Whites? Yeah. Did you see a big great white?

Oh, yeah. One came and got... So there were these two round cages off the boat. And since the The edge of the boat is like this, and you have two circles. There's a space in between the cages right up against the boat because it's two circles. And one of the sharks got stuck right in there, and he was absolutely going apeshit. And then another one came up and put his snout in the cage, and I got to touch the top of it, pat him on the head a little bit. Pretty cool. That old Doberman touch I put on him.

Did you like South Africa?

Oh, dude, it's the most beautiful place that I'd been. Is there a place you've been that really makes you feel like this is really something special?

I just got back from Guatemala. I went there with my lady. Oh, nice. She's from Guatemala. That was my first time. So we went to... We went to like, we got to go see the pyramids, which is the largest pyramids in the world. Bring them up.

My father's from Nicaragua. Really? Yeah, which is neighbors to Guatemala, I think. Is it in Central America?

Yeah.

That thing's nice. I'm surprised you don't live in one of those because people think you do, dude.

Tical, the one that... Yeah, Tical, the one that's there. They write that one. Pretty spectacular. The one to the left. Food, culture, just so rich.

How long was you all's trip for?

Antigua. I went to Antigua. Antigua was just like, I've never seen streets like that. We were there for two weeks. Sorry. Two weeks seeing family, getting the parents and the family, see if they like me. The fucking gringo's coming in.

Oh, yeah. But you weren't the gringo, though. I was. To them, huh?

Yeah.

Wow.

Dude, it's good-I got white blood in me.

That's a good point.

I say German blood, yeah?

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. In the Irish.

Don't bring that honky blood around here, whitey. That's the shit that I hear all the time.

But they love me. They did? Yeah, I got two thumbs up.

Do you get a written review? Or had it on the plane ride home? She read-I could see it in their eyes.

And I could feel the temperature. The aunties were cool with it. The nieces and nephews love me. The dad's amazing. I love her dad. We went to go see him He's a musician? He's probably one of the biggest Latin... No, he's definitely one of the biggest Latin musicians of all time. Really? Yeah, Ricardo Arjona.

Let's bring up a picture of this man. He's actually got...

He's your father?

He's actually got- He could be your father-in-law.

Yeah, he's doing- Or your stepdad. Time Square, two nights in a row. Ricardo Arjona. Ricardo Arjona, yeah. Seca is his new tour.

Secal? Yeah.

He's skinny.

Ricardo Alona.

Yeah.

God, I want to be something like that.

He looks like my old brother, right?

You and him?

A little bit, right?

Oh, yeah. You can see it. That's what's up.

If I were Latin, but I'm not, I'm Hawaiian. He's probably the biggest Guatemala in history.

He's very tall? 6'5. No way. You can't even tell from this photo. I know. They should say that on the poster. First of all, they should have a poster that says, Hey, come see a 6'5 Guatemala.

Bro, he's-Dude, I'd say 40 bucks to go over and see that. He's got two nights in a row at Times Square. I think he'll be playing Nashville, too, bro. Really? Yeah.

Dude, if he is, I'll make sure to go and watch him.

Yeah, but he'll be right on the show, too.

I'll take a Spanish girl out there on a date.

You're definitely going to meet some Spanish nurses.

That's a place to go. Yeah. How do you say nurse in Spanish? Bring that up for me, fellows.

Infermera.

Infermera? Oh, sí.

Infermera. Infermera.

Infermera. That's what I'm going to say.

That's where it's at for you. They take care of you, love you.

That's what I'm saying, dude.

Yeah, man.

Yeah. There were ages when I was like, Yeah, I'm going to get... I want to find a model or something. And now it's like, I'm getting older, I'll take a nurse. You've had all the models. You know what I'm saying? I don't know about that, but I just have like, yeah, you got to think ahead.

Yeah, I don't know if models are going to take care of you, but nurses take care of you.

Dude, no, a model is not going to I'm not going to take care of you, dude. She's not going to feed you anything because she doesn't eat anything. What do you do? Just both sit there and suck on an empty bottle together? And she's lazy anyway, probably. Anyway, sorry. What about this guitar, dude? I saw you brought this in.

Well, yeah, because we were both tired. I was going to take a little nap because I didn't want to suck on your show.

I appreciate that, man.

Yes. I'm probably like a solid six right now. I'm normally a 10. But we had the premiere before I came to Theovon, which was a big accident. So anyways, I was downstairs at Chelsea Guitars. I found this, it was '59. It got a little bit of that watermelon color to it.

Yeah, it's beautiful because it's usually cherry, right?

Yeah. And then it fades because of that paint that used back then. But it didn't have the original pot, so it was cheap. And then I'll put some new pickups in it, and it'll be back to new.

Are you a collector of guitars?

I am. I'm a big fan. I got a band. We're going to go play Dubai here on the 28th. And look, too. I forgot to show you. Really? Yeah.

I was in Dubai. I'm sorry about that, brother. No, I was in Qatar, actually.

Signed by Chuck Berry. Yeah, they have all the guitar sign on there. Wait, what did you say?

Signed by who is it?

Chuck Berry. The guy that was just up on the-That's the sound by Chuck Berry, dude?

Yeah. Oh, that's him.

I say there's a guitar.

Johnny B. Good.

There you go.

He used to carry his guitar in a roadside. He's between the tree by the road track. I loved him, dude. We used to listen to his tape all the I had his cassette tape when I was young.

Actually, it might be a good idea. My son loves Chuck Berry. I might do him right. When he turns 18, maybe I'll give him this guitar.

Just let him play it. You keep it. He just booked a role in a movie next to you. He's doing fine. Okay. He can get his own.

My love language is presence.

You can get his own stuff now. Are you? I am, yeah. Oh, that's pretty cool. Yeah. I heard that you were working with a water company.

Is that true? Yeah, I started this company called Monanalu.

Monanalu? Monanalu.

Started eight years ago. I was on a flight, and you're flying over on the plane, and you see a Coca-Cola in an aluminum can. You got beer in an aluminum can. You got sparkling water in an aluminum can, and they give you those little shitty Dessani water bottles with a cap, the label. And then there's three different types of plastic on it that we can't recycle. It goes into our land. It goes into our landfills. I'm a father. I don't want to see plastic. We don't need single-use plastic. Generally, I carry my own water bottle. When I go to the airport, you fill it up. Eight years ago, they didn't even have aluminum for water. So I went to Ball, people who make those cans, and I went to the aluminum company. I said, I'm going to make a water bottle with you. A water without aluminum cans. They're like, We're not a... We're not a... Is it? A water company. I said, Where you are now? I'm awful, man. Let's do this. So we set out to do it, and then we ended up making the first screw can. It went back on. And so we made Mono Nolo, and then it changed.

Well, now we put our movie on there. Oh, great. So we put the labels on there. But see how it's got Mono Nolo print on the top. And so once we stopped single-use plastic, and now... Because at the time, I went to DeSani, and I went to the blue and the red guy, Coke, Pepsi. I was like, Would you do this? Would you make the aluminum? They're like, It doesn't make sense to us because it's easier to do plastic. But anything that's in plastic is just leaching in there. It's just poison, man. You don't want to be drinking out of plastic bottles, man.

Yeah, that's what I think about a lot of times, especially now with people talking about all the bad stuff that's in our food and our water. It becomes such a talking point right now. I thought a lot about how do you find water that isn't because most of the water is in plastic. And even if you look up, what's the best water that doesn't have plastics in it? They won't even really tell you. It's all these Those are the gimmick videos that lead you to buy certain things, usually to buy water purifiers and stuff. Yeah.

But I mean, the idea is just to go. So now we change. Now that they are making those, we made a circular system. So we're now on an olive powered by Boomerang, and it's actually it's It's really cool, man. The idea is to be in starting with Hawaii, mainly is to be in hospitality. So you're in hotels, hospitals, schools, where you imagine just going to your room and you got a crate, like a milk crate, and there's You put all your water in there, and you drink it, and you put it back. And then down in the basement, there's a machine. It's a circular system. It sterilizes it. It fills it with your natural local water source and put some minerals back into it, and cleans it, and mix it. So it's fresh water. It's not packaged up. There's no emissions. It's not sitting in some crate in some warehouse, stagnant dead water. It's fresh water always. And if there was a COVID or anything like that, each hotel would still operate. The water still operates, right? So you can still have fresh water, and it's just bottled up. Think of it as like, you're going to a restaurant, you eat with their plates and their fork, and you're done, you leave, you come back, you're not going to take shit home.

It's just a container for it. And so it's constantly reusable and recyclable. So you're cutting out waste. Now, the idea was just to cut waste because even when you're having the aluminum bottles, you still got to recycle those. So the idea is just to either... If you're not carrying your own stuff, it's pretty cool that you can go to a hotel and you know that there's Not only are you not doing waste, it's getting recycled. So it's a full circular system.

That's incredible, man.

Just to get rid of the single... I mean, just to call it shit down because it's just absolutely ridiculous. The idea of taking shitty water, putting it in plastic bottles, shipping it to a place like Hawaii, which has the best water in the world, we drink it, and then the shit ends up in our ocean or a landfill. So it's the dumbest thing in the world. I'm going to try to do that in Hawaii first. So I mean, obviously, we're self-contained, plant island Earth. We didn't need anyone. We We were self-contained at one time. So if we can just do that with all our tourism, and people come from all over the world getting married, and they get to see what they're doing in each hotel. So we have all different hotels, Four Seasons, and Twin Fin, all these different places where it'll have their label on it. So it's still all there. So their advertising is for them. It's just we're trying to stop the waste.

Yeah, I love that. When I even think about just how many bottles, I probably drink seven bottles of water a day. So that's seven empty bottles. It's like, that's just me. That's It's ridiculous.

Oh, bro, it's the most archaic thing that we're drinking out of plastic bottles. So we're doing it in a business side, and eventually we'll try to get it where we'll have depots for it. But the idea is to get people doing... Because in every school, kids can be doing this.

I like the idea, too, that you can have your thing at home that you could just then be able to refill it. I think that's pretty novel. Yeah.

Thanks, buddy. It's Monte Nola Powered by Boomerang. You can check it out. And that's the goal is to just another That's the thing to try to fix in a very broken world. We don't need that pollution in our oceans.

Aquaman, you heard it. You heard it, man. Have you ever been a lifeguard or not?

Yeah, that's why my whole family are watermen. They're all lifeguards. I went to junior lifeguards my whole life when I was growing up.

Dang, that's like, I wish I could be a lifeguard.

It's pretty cool when you save someone's life. I've saved a person's life before. You did? In the ocean, yeah. When you do junior life cards, it's really cool to really take your time. Things slow I'm sure it's probably like a firefighter. I panicked in a fire. But I think if I saw so many of them in my practice, most people go, oh, shit. And then they freak out, whereas the natural calm comes over you, and you just assess the whole situation so you can both get out alive. You understand the rip, you understand what the ocean is doing.

And you got to save somebody?

Yeah.

Is that in Hawaii?

Yeah. Wow. But like I said, I've been many times drowned. You get caught in a rip. It's taking you out. You're not going to beat the ocean. And you can literally be... I mean, I've been at Pipeline, a leash snapped, and I'm literally eight feet from the shore. But it's like a river going by, and you're swimming, trying to get in, it's eight feet, and you're just getting It's going to burn out. And you're like, there are cameras everywhere. There are people right there. I could yell for help, and I look like an idiot. I'm going to drown in eight feet of water. And the current, the undertow is just pulling your feet out, and it's going to exhaust you. And it generally has got to go with it. It's going to take you out to sea, and it'll dump you back in. But everyone drowns like that. It's just you got to watch out for the rips. They'll go jumping into the fucking ocean. And then if you see a sign, don't go in. That's why, I mean, don't be stupid.

You're like the Yogi bear of the ocean. Remember him?

Oh, I do. He put out those fires, kids.

Yeah, dude, put them out. You know what I'm saying? I know. He was so adamant.

He was talking to me the other day. I built a fire, and I was like, Everything's green around here. Who was Yogi was? Yeah, in my head because you guys were psychos. But I was like, Listen, I could dump out-Oh, Smoky the Bear, dude.

Sorry. Who did I say? Yogi. Who's Yogi Bear?

Yogi Bear is-Pinking baskets. Picking baskets.

Oh, dude, he's starting the fires there. God, he's probably on Suboxone or whatever by now. Oh, yeah, he's not doing well. I think he was a stepdad, too. You can tell by his outfit. You could tell by that outfit. He was definitely trying to meet a lady that already had kids, probably, too.

Not like the Bernstein bear where he was locked in. Yeah. He was just a dumb dad.

That guy was a family man.

He was.

Yeah, Bernstein was a family man.

I love me some Bernstein.

God, they were good.

Especially the fall issue. It was always got snuggled down when I read those ones.

Remember those? That one scary book, one of them, there was a fire, whatever, and people were like, no, no fires in the Bernstein bears. People flipped out and shit. Oh, really? Yeah, dude. People just cannot handle real shit. That's the I'm talking about. Was there a time in a movie where you were trained for something? It was one of the toughest things you ever had to actually train for, or does it never go that far with training?

Training for Aquaman was pretty challenging. I'd have to say maybe the... I'd say Aquaman is probably the hardest I've ever had to train. I'm not a very I'm not a gym rat. I just like to do things, rock climbing, go surfing, and things like that. But actually, you do that for a roll, I don't necessarily like...

You're not in there getting pumped every day, like a maniac or taking saw arms or whatever.

No, I just want to do the things I love to do. Yeah.

But You know, like some supps monkey that's over there, G and C every day or something. Supplements guy.

Yeah, I don't even do like shakes.

Like creatine, all that. Oh, yeah.

I like to eat food. Damn. I like to eat.

Yeah.

I'm Hawaiian.

Dude, yeah. You got to get fat when you get I'm definitely going that way. Hell, yeah. I can't wait to get fat.

I'm trying not to, baby.

But as soon as I get married, I'm getting fat. And then I'm getting divorced, too. I can't wait to get divorced. What else? So people should go see The Wrecking Crew. It's a great film. It's fun.

Yeah, it's good. Actually, it's feel good. You get to go to Hawaii. If you can't make it there, put on The Wrecking Crew. Let me and Dave take care of you. Work out some trauma in your family.

Open up a can of dull pineapple for your lady and put on The Wrecking Crew. It's almost the same thing.

Some shaved coconut. Yeah. You know what I mean? Some mounds. Oh, dude. Bust out a couple of those.

My dad used to give us mounds sometimes when we were good.

Not a lot, then.

Not a lot. Not a lot of mounds. Yeah, dude. Thanks so much for taking time. I know you had a long day, man. I know it's a pain in the ass.

It's not, I don't do podcasts that much because I always get in trouble. So you're my second, and it was wonderful. Dude, it's awesome meeting you, man.

Yeah, it's a pleasure, man. Thanks for all the awesome entertainment. And thanks for just sitting and sharing some of your experiences and story with me.

You know, there's one thing, too. The thing that you have with... Oh, my goodness. David Spade. When we were at the 50th SNL-He was there. Yeah. So I saw him when we were there. My daughter is a massive, massive fan of Brooklyn 99. So Andy Sandberg It was like her, dude, she loves him most. So I saw him about last person I'm leaving. I see him and I go, Dude, my daughter loves you. Can I please get a picture with you? And I send a video to my daughter, and I said, Hey, listen, if there's anything, I'd love to do something with you. About three weeks later, he pitches his story in Hawaii. It's amazing. I laughed my ass off. We instantly saw it. I'm going in two weeks to go shoot it in Hawaii.

No way. With David Fade?

It's a fucking year later. No, with Samberg. But I'm just saying it's the same thing where you've just like mind and friends.

Oh, what you were saying.

Yeah, just friends and buddies meeting in the comedy. I've never met him before. It's just through my daughter. But you see something and you're like, dude.

And you make a friend.

But like I'm saying, you got anything in there and you want to... You see me You see, you're like, oh, dude, Mamo would be in. Oh my God.

I'm going to think it's something good.

It'll just be fun to be in it.

You know what I mean? I'm going to think it's something good. You're Paul Bunion.

I could be the Blue Ox, bro. You could be Paul Bunion.

I don't know.

Babe.

I'll be Babe. Yeah, you'll be Babe the Blue Ox then, and we got to find somebody to be Paul Bunion. I'm going to be the brother that's on methadone, but we'll figure it out. We'll figure it out, homie. Jason, thanks so much, man. Thanks for having to hear. Go see the record crew, guys. Now I'm just floating on the breeze, and I feel I'm falling like these leaves.

I must be cornerstone. Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind I found I can feel it in my bones. But it's going to tell you.