Transcript of US Government Admits Chemtrails Are Real (It's Worse Than You Think). Dane Wigington Reveals All.

It's always the obvious questions that are so vigorously discouraged. One of the questions that's been the most discouraged over the past 30 years are, what are those lines in the sky that you see trailing jets? What is that? Some people call them chemtrails, claim that somehow the US government is spraying poison on the population. Those people are clearly crazy. Wikipedia calls them crazy. Every news outlet calls them crazy. But the trails are still there. It's clearly not water vapor because that doesn't make sense at all. So what are they? We spent the last six months trying to find someone credible who could explain that to us, a serious, sane person with an engineering background who could tell us, what are we looking at? Because we're looking at something, and I don't care what names you call me. I still want to know what it is. We think we have found that person. Dane Wigington of Northern California has been on this subject for almost 30 years and has compiled what we believe, after looking at it pretty carefully, is the most comprehensive account of what we're seeing, and it's very bad. Dane, thanks a lot for joining us.

I never knew what to think of this topic, chemtrails or contrails, or the stripes in the sky that linger after airplanes pass. I don't remember them as a child. They're very common now. I've heard people say there's something up, something nefarious going on. So I go to Wikipedia to see what they say, and I want to read you the Wikipedia entry, the first part of it on this question, okay? You may have seen this, and I'm quoting from Wikipedia as of this morning. The chemtrail While, conspiracy theory is the erroneous belief that long-lasting condensation trails left in the sky by high-flying aircraft are actually, quote, chemtrails, consisting of chemical or biological agents sprayed for nefarious purposes undisclosed to the general public, period. Believers in this conspiracy theory say that while normal contrails dissipate relatively quickly, contrails that linger must contain additional substances. Those who subscribe to the theory, speculate that the purpose of the chemical release may be solar radiation management, weather modification, psychological manipulation, human population control, biological or chemical warfare, or testing of a biological or chemical agent on the population, and that the trails are causing respiratory illnesses and other health problems.

I read that, and the purpose, of course, of that paragraph is not to illuminate what this might be, but to attack anyone who speculates about what it might be. It's a form itself of psychological warfare, of propaganda. When I read that, I said to myself, there's clearly something going on because the people who control Wikipedia, which would be the intel agencies, as we know, don't want anyone to talk about this. With that lengthy preface explaining why this conversation is taking place, I will turn it over to you to explain what are these lines in the sky that we have all seen.

There's sprayed particulate dispersion. There is no theory in this equation. Bottom line is, when we have up-close film footage of these aircraft, aircraft at altitude, KC-10s, KC-135, C-17 globe masters, with nozzles visible, turning dispersions on and off. This is not condensation. Geoenginewatch. Org is the only entity that has taken a NOAH flying lab, National Oceanic and Atmispheric Administration flying lab, top scientists in it, to sample what these heavy aircraft are emitting at altitude. That sample was processed at Rinsler Polytechnic in New York, one of the world's most renowned testing institutions. We found exactly what we knew we would find, starting with the Aluminum nanoparticles, bioavailable free form aluminum is toxic to all life, period. That element is named in numerous climate engineering patents as part of a geo engineering dispersion element. So again, there's no theory involved in any of this. And what's so incredibly profound in this equation, Tucker, you have the entire global climate science community governments all over the world saying, We need to put aircraft in the air immediately to disperse light scattering particles. We use the science terms at gmojewatch. Org. Because the Kim Trail's term is the instant marginalization term by design.

You bring that term up, any elected official won't talk to you anymore. Media will immediately marginalize you. Solar radiation management, stratosphoric aerosol injection, cloud albedium enhancement, climate engineering. If we stick to the science terms, they can't marginalize us. So again, this elephant in the sky that we are told is a conspiracy theory is exactly what the entire global climate science community says we need to deploy immediately to slow down the warming of the planet. Stated purpose to deflect some of the Sun's incoming thermal energy. We know these programs, not surprisingly, are making a bad situation where it's not better. And, Tucker, they're being used as a form of warfare. And we know that we have countries like Iran, constantly demonized, of course, as you well know. Immediately after 9/11, we have the list of countries to be targeted given to General Wesley Clark, a list that clearly existed before 9/11 even occurred. Subsequently, every one of those countries, every one of them, was endured a once in 1,000-year drought. Statistically, mathematically, that's impossible without climate intervention operations. We have the leader of Iran on the floor of the UN on film, on the record, stating NATO was cutting off their precipitation.

We have Iranian top scientists recently saying NATO has been doing this for 40 years, destabilize the food supply by destabilizing the rain, and you destabilize the population.

So You just said a bunch of amazing things, all of which I just want to say sound plausible to me. But let's just back up a little bit. You're calling this geoengineering. The term chemtrails, you say, is a propaganda term designed to discredit people who ask sincere questions about what the hell am I looking at. Correct, because if they go with that term, they'll get what you got.

And that's what we try to avoid. If anybody is unfamiliar with the issue and they Google that term, that's the end of their search, most likely. So we try to point chest, semantics matter in this case.

Okay, so the first line of the Wikipedia entry points out something true, which is that when you look at these lines in the sky and you're told, well, it's just condensation. It's water vapor. You know that maybe that's not the right explanation because water vapor dissipates and doesn't remain in the sky for 20 minutes after the plane leaves. So that suggests bigger particles in the mist, the particulate matter in the mist. Is that correct?

Exactly correct. If you see, for example, breath condensing, if you see some researchers in the Arctic and their breath is condensing because it's very cold. Do they get a cloud starting to form over their head? If you have a vehicle that's exhaust is condensing in the morning, you have a freeway with giant clouds hanging over it from the condensation from the vehicles in some cold region, no, that's not how condensation behaves. And again, my journey into this whole battle of now 27 years. But when I built my off-grid home in Northern California, middle of the wilderness, it was the cover of the world's largest renewable energy magazine. I have Solar, Wind, and hydro. And I was losing on some days from what these aircraft were emitting, 50, 60, even 70 % of my solar update from what these aircraft were emitting. I knew that could not be condensation. When I began to research, I was very surprised at the mountain of information on geo-engineering, solar radiation management. And I looked for primary elements. I began to test my precipitation. I hoped I would not find these elements in my rain because I knew if I did, it would change the entire course of my life.

I cannot look the other way. I came up with seven parts per billion in my first rain test over the next 18 months because I took that long in researching before I was willing to speak out on this issue. At the end of 18 months, I had single rain events with 3450 parts per billion of aluminum in my rain. This is bioavailable free form aluminum, which is toxic to all life forms, period. Primary element named in climate engineering patents, and we have the world's most recognized geo engineer, specifically stating on film, on the record, their goal of using aluminum in these programs because of its high reflectivity with no consideration of the consequences. That's how I got into this battle.

If I understand what you're saying, what we're watching is an attempt, I assume by governments, and we'll get into who's doing this, to mitigate the effects of climate change, to reflect back rays from the sun so the Earth doesn't warm at a pace that is dangerous to whatever they think it's dangerous to. But this is a global warming mitigation effort. Is that correct?

That is the stated purpose.

We know this is- That is the stated purpose. I think that's plausible because there is so much energy commitment, sincere commitment in some cases, obviously, fake commitment in others, and so much money behind this effort to mitigate global warming, that that makes absolute sense. It is a religion. You're saying that you were not originally aware of this or interested in it, but because you live off-grid and you derive a lot of your electricity from solar, and you clearly have an engineer brain, you were wondering, why the hell is my solar not working correctly? And that got you into this process of learning about it?

Correct. I have friends in the solar industry and who, off the record, inform me that some of the commercial solar plants are producing half their design output, and they won't talk about why because they don't want to lose subsidies. So again, this is a very known element in many fields. In fact, with the Nation's weathermen, National Weather Service and NOAA, National Oceanic and Atmosphoric Administration, there is an illegal federal gag order on all agency operations with those two entities. Why would our government feel the need to gag the weatherman. I had a scientist state to my face, quote, We all know this is going on. We have no First Amendment protection. We don't know what to do. So the bottom line is, let's all just pretend this isn't going on while it's virtually dismantling the planet's primary life support systems and ubiquitously contaminating everything everywhere. I'm not just talking about aluminum. We have in lab tests, and again, we've done hundreds of lab tests. We did 500 working with the University of Minnesota, an internationally recognized agricultural institution. We have aluminum, barium, strontium, manganese, surfactants, polymer fibers, graphene, all of this coming down in our breathable air call, Tucker.

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Ultimately, all roads lead to those who print the money. But we know as far as the coordinating entities, certainly DOD, Darpa. And we have documents to prove the existence of these programs going back decades. Documents hundreds of pages long. We have an 800-page US Senate document from 1978, outlining the scope and scale of these programs then, specifically calling for Intergovernmental Cooperation, even between, quote, otherwise adversarial Nations, because of the cross-border ramifications of these programs. You can't just geo engineer of your own country, who's the biggest player? Obviously, the United States of America, because of the size of our military. The US military has three times more aerial tankers, which are the primary aircraft used in these operations, three times more than all other militaries in the world combined. If I could back up to the whole condensation trail narrative again, which is perhaps one of the greatest lies ever perpetrated on populations all over the world, all military tankers and all commercial aircraft are equipped with what's known as a high bypass gas turbofan jet engine. That's a jet-powered fan. 90% of the air that moves through that engine is not combusted. So by design, that engine is nearly incapable of producing any condensation trail, except under rare and extreme circumstances, which are diminishing by the day because of the warming that's occurring in the troposphere.

So much warming. We've had two former military pilots that fly private aircraft. Important people have contacted us at GEOG, at org. In both cases, they were off the Coast of the Pacific Northwest, and their aircraft were forced to emergency auto descent because the air outside that aircraft was 45 to 50 degrees above what it should have been. The air was not dense enough to carry those aircraft. These people are very, very alarmed, but very afraid to speak out.

That's an amazing fact. It points up something that I think is indisputably true, which is the climate is changing. Why it's changing is a It's a whole separate set of debates. Of course, it's always changed.

Climate engineering alone, I'm not negating the other sources of damage of the planet. We've been very poor stewards. But our point at geoenginewatch. Org is how could anybody, from any perspective, and the environmental left is the most reluctant to face this issue. And we know why, Tucker, because they don't want to lose their 501(C)(3) nonprofits. Our attorneys at geoenginewatch. Org spoke to attorneys through every major environmental group, Greenpeace, Sierra Club, WWF, all All of them, they will not address this issue because they don't want to lose their nonprofit status. Is that not criminal hypocrisy? So we're stating in the case of trapping more heat than it deflects, causing far more harm than any perceived good, they're simply using it as a weapon under the guise of trying to mitigate the climate. So again, these operations are taking us from the frying pan into the fire, so to speak. So again, the greatest, most damaging form of human activity on the planet at this moment in time must be considered these operations, climate engineering.

Well, sure. I mean, geo engineering, by its very nature, is just like textbook hubris, where you think you're God and you're in charge of the weather and the planet. No, you're just some lumpy, furry schmuck living out an incredibly short lifespan with no ability to make anything better because you're not God. The whole mindset is the mindset that gets us to nuclear war. So I'm opposed to it on those grounds. But Before we ascend too much higher, let's just come back down a little bit and to the specifics. So these aircraft seem to be everywhere in the United States. Where are they taking off from? Where do these chemicals come from? The aluminum particulate, the rest that you just, the magnesium, all the rest you've described. What's the chain that gets us to the stripes in the sky that we see?

The aircraft are taking off from countless locations. We're aware of a number of military bases where we know they're deploying from. We also have commercial aircraft with commercial markings that we know are being used in these operations. We know that because we have film footage of these aircraft, retrofit nozzles mounted on the wing pylons. We have up-close photographs aiming to the exhaust jet stream to make this look condensation. We are not implicating commercial pilots or personnel, but we are communicating with them, some commercial pilots that distribute our printed materials in pilot lunchrooms, for example, covertly, because they know their aircraft are being These are automated systems. They carry a small payload. You might remember, about in the year 2000, the weight of the aircraft became a very big deal. How much luggage you carried on, how much weight you carried on. That appears to be when this was implemented. We also know that the DOD has leased a significant number of commercial aircraft with commercial markings. Why would the DOD need or want that? Again, for the base material, because we're talking about an extraordinary amount of material here, based on our testing with University of Minnesota, we did about 500 lab tests there, and extrapolating how much material was in the precipitation, projecting that globally, it appears something in the range of 40 to 60 million tons of nanoparticles are being dispersed annually in skies all over the globe.

And the smaller the particle, the more toxic it is, the more harmful it is, the more bioavailable it is. And all the official air quality testing, by design, doesn't even look for these elements, let alone disclose them. So official air quality testing is PM10, 10 microns, occasionally PM2. 5. Those are boulders compared to a nanoparticle. You can fit up to 100,000 nanoparticles across the width of a single human hair. They're inconceivably small. And the reason they use such small particles is because they stay aloft longer. And that's the goal. Keep the particles suspended in the atmosphere. And there's more volumetric forcing. There's more surface area, the smaller the particle for a given amount of material. So It appears, and we have a published study on this, there is a peer-reviewed published study that implicates coal fly ash as a base material for these operations because it contains many of the elements the climate engineers feel they need to disperse in our skies, and it provides plausible deniability, and it gets rid of a waste product that they're always trying to get rid of. There's other elements added. American Elements Corporation appears to be one of the primary suppliers for these operations.

But again, the fact that This can go on in our skies and the mountain of data that exists on this and the continued pretending by the so-called climate science community that this is ongoing is mind-numming, and they won't be able to hide this for much longer, Tucker. I want to stress that. These programs will be forced to light. And if I could end with this, when those pretend, again, like the Wikipedia definition you read, that this is some an outlandish conspiracy, let's go all the way back to 1962. 63 years ago, President Lyndon Johnson on film, on the record, ranting like a lunatic. It's the first 30 seconds of the weekly commercial-free, non-political geoengineering Watch national broadcast we put on radios, stations out of our pocket across the country. But the first 30 seconds is this film footage of Johnson stating we had the power to control the world's cloud layer then, and quote, he who controls the weather controls the world. How far have they come since?

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This is a bit like the safe and effective narrative, isn't it? Let's all have the entire medical community pretending that injecting toxic heavy metals is safe and effective. And they still pretend to this day that that is the case when it doesn't take a large intellect or an educated individual to understand that's going to do harm. And yet that narrative still continues to this day. So again, this mass psychosis of denial is mind numbing, but you can't hide this for much longer. And we do have the climate science community now starting to speak out, starting to state how incredibly catastrophic programs would be if they were implemented. They're not outright admitting it yet, but they're getting closer. And if you look at historical present, when did the US military start its modification in hurricanes? And there's some interesting things going on on the hurricane front this year, as in none of them. They're being deflected. People that pretend that you can't manipulate a weather system of that size, that's absolute nonsense. The science completely disputes that. Us military commenced its hurricane modification operations in 1947 with Project CIRUS. And even the results of that initial small scale testing appeared to have so much of effect on a cyclonic rotation that there were lawsuits pending from that, at which time they began to be more covert about their operations.

And you said you'll notice that there aren't hurricanes in Florida. So the last few years, Florida, West Coast of Florida, in particular, just been hammered, absolutely destroyed. Tens of billions of dollars of damage done by hurricanes, no hurricanes this year. And you're saying that that's not an accident. Is that what you're saying?

I'm saying that we know the technology exists to steer storms of that size. And let me make a comparison. You could have a 10-year-old child divert the course of 100,000 ton freight train by pulling a lever, literally, and changing the tracks.

That's correct.

And that's the small input, massive output that you can have with these cyclonic quotations when they have the ability to manipulate atmospheric pressure zones, this is undisputed patented science. So why would we think they're not using these type of operations? We have historical precedent. Project Popeye in Vietnam was so successful at controlling precipitation. This is a historical record. That by 1976, they passed the Inmod treaties, forbid weather manipulation for wartime purposes, but not over a country's own population. So if we look at the- Can I ask you to stop?

I'm sorry, you're throwing I'm so ignorant on this topic, but I'm suddenly very interested that I just want to make sure we don't miss anything. Operation Popeye, is that what you called it in Vietnam?

Correct.

I've never even heard of that. I'm embarrassed to say. What is it? What was it?

Very easy research, historical record, US military was so successful at controlling precipitation over Vietnam that the international community was very concerned about this, at least on the surface. They passed environmental modification treaties in 1976. International National Treaty is forbid weather manipulation in wartime. So again, when people claimed this is conspiracy, we don't have this power and control, and they tried to muddy the climate engineering issue as being the localized, publicized cloud seeding operations. Those are two completely different animals. And we see even some state legislators doing the same. And we're trying to correct that at geoengine Watch the World because we're working with numerous state legislators now and have been. There's legislation pending 36 states to ban geoengineering over their skies. Tennessee and Florida have already done so. But we're correcting them and giving them an accurate compass heading that the localized publicized cloud seeding operations, the kind which they tried to implicate in the Texas floods that killed so many young Americans as being connected to a localized cloud seeding operation, which is virtually meaningless in comparison to climate engineering. It's an ant compared to an elephant. So intentionally, those that control media and are trying to control the narrative are trying to confuse these two issues.

They are completely different. They're trying to mask or hide the elephant in the sky, which is climate engineering operations. So again, these programs are historical record. The Chinese government is so successful at, for example, engineering snowstorms. Tucker, do you remember the blizzard in New Orleans this January? You remember that?

No, I don't.

There was a blizzard in New Orleans. First time in recorded history. There was a blizzard in Florida, blizzard on the Gulf Coast. That was January 21st, by the way. That's an interesting date to have that happen. These are demonstrations of what climate engineering can do. And the Chinese government has long since openly stated they were engineering snowstorms with endothermic-reacting elements. These are patented elements that can literally transition what should be a liquid precipitation event, a rain event, into snow. And these elements, if people understand they have a first aid kit that sits on their shelf at room temperature for 20 years. You mix the cold pack together, you have ice instantly. That's an endothermic-reacting element. That's being into cloud moisture. And they were so successful in China, they caused billions of dollars of damage to Beijing, at which time they began to be less open about this. Everybody covered it. Cnn, Popular Science, The Guardian, everyone. But if you bring that up here, suddenly you're a tinfoil hat wearing nutcase. On that same day, while it was blizzarding in New Orleans, in the polar regions, Alaska, Greenland, Iceland, Siberia, it was above freezing and raining.

Do you remember the deep freeze in Texas, Tucker, a few years ago, five years ago, something like that?

Yes, very well. Yeah, it shut down a lot of their grid.

Correct. So when it was below zero in Dallas, it was 33 degrees warmer at the North Pole. Think about that. And that's what we're not told. So when you have... Let's look at the climate conferences. You know what those are? The international climate conferences that we have? Yes. Those conferences are not to change business as usual. They are to force countries to actively or passively participate in climate engineering. So at some of those conferences, the Cancun conference, the Copenhagen conference, we had record low temperatures at the time of the conference, in spite of above normal temperatures in all surrounding areas. That's a demonstration of what climate engineering can do. So back to the hurricanes. The deflection of hurricanes so far this year, is that a demonstration to other countries as well as to the power that the US military has to manipulate atmospheric pressure zones? And again, these are patented processes. For listeners that have heard of HAARP in Alaska, I'm not sure. Have you ever heard of that, Tucker, HAARP? No. Okay. Images of that exist. There's no dispute as to its function or what the patents outline that it can do. Even Discovery channel did a long episode, which they've seen to be taken off the air now, called Controlling the Weather.

But that's a weapon of mass destruction. They play it off as a benign research facility. That's an ionosphere heater. It transmits 3. 6 million watts of power to the electrically charged ionosphere, causing an electrical chain reaction. They're literally using the atmosphere as a physics lab, which we know they do, right, Tucker? You know of Project Starfish Prime and Project Fishbowl, if you've heard of those? Those are the US military's experiments with detonating hydrogen bombs in the magnetosphere, which they thought could collapse the whole atmosphere. Did that stop them? No, it didn't. So installations like HAARP are used to control atmospheric pressure zones back to the hurricanes. If you can manipulate atmospheric pressure zones with these directional ionosphere heaters, you can literally manipulate their path. And is that what we see going on? Is that a demonstration to others right now? Does the administration want to not have a big hurricane cataclysm since they've gutded all the emergency protection, everything? Do they not want to fight that battle, too, right now? We don't know. We can speculate on those things. But the fact that there is nothing that we can call natural at this point is indisputable.

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You're going to dig it. We Definitely. Plus they're good-looking, I will say. A couple of different threads. One, the US military in this country, our military, runs propaganda operations against our population, and they do it on social media. And of course, they do it through the conventional media as well, and they have for a long time. But it's certainly gotten more aggressive. So that's illegal. It's immoral. Anyone who participates to that should be in prison. But it happens, and unfortunately, we haven't been able to stop it. So we know that they lie to our population about a whole bunch of things, including what they're doing. Two, we know that in the past 15 years, you see these fat, effeminate generals all of a sudden talking about how climate change is one of the main national security threats and the purpose of the US military is to fight climate change. There's been a lot of that, and it's very confusing to people like me who think of the purpose of the US military is shooting people trying to invade our country. What does climate change have to do with national security? But they've been saying that a lot.

And your description suddenly makes it all make sense. A lot of what they do is trying to mitigate or saying they're trying to mitigate the effects of climate change. I mean, I guess this is more out in the open than I realized until right now.

I would call it masking the effects because they're certainly not mitigating it. Everything they do, every short term toxic surface cool down comes at the cost of a worsened overall warming and damage to the planet. And you're completely correct, Tucker, completely correct in the US military top brass statements on the record that they consider the collapsing climate system the greatest national security threat of all. So when you have so many military bases at sea level, some of which are already being inundated. That's a part of the problem. But you have other elements, for example, and this is from a perspective of the existence of the human race and how much longer we're going to be here, the ozone layer is near functional collapse right now. It's not the hairspray cans. Single greatest damaging factor is climate engineering, period. Not just the oxidizing particles that are being dispersed in our atmosphere, but the manipulation of those particles with extremely powerful frequency transmissions. So we know that of all the towers being put up everywhere for communications, fake trees and all the different forms they come in, we know that many of those installations are being supplied with 10 10 times more power than they need.

That's part of my background in the electrical field. I know people that it work on these towers. 10 times more power than they need for communications. Why do they need that much more power? 1,000 % more power. And we know these facilities are being used to manipulate the electrically conductive atmospheric particulates. There's a repelling effect caused from these transmissions because we can see the effect on water vapor loops. So if we look at the flash flooding in Texas as an example that killed so many young Americans, we captured in real-time, and I'm still surprised we have access to these data loops, because we have access to the transmissions from the NextRAD network that are used to manipulate weather systems. And what happened in that case was because of the repelling effect of those transmissions, and picture this scenario, when there was that convective cell over that location and transmitters energized all around that cell, and we recorded that. It's posted online. Time. That, in effect, held that cell in one place. It precipitated out in one location. We can speculate about agendas and objectives. We can't know that. But the fact that that storm was manipulated is beyond dispute.

Same with Hurricane Helene. We recorded that in real-time. The frequency transmission is manipulating that storm and steering into place. It's indisputable. These are patented technologies. Hurricane Harvey, we recorded that. How did meteorologists know seven days in advance that Hurricane Harvey was going to go where it went and sit there for three days? How could they possibly know that? Frequency transmission is held it there. We recorded that in real-time. And again, these people are reading scripts, Tucker. They're literally reading scripts passed down to them by Raytheon, private defense contractors Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, that are neck deep in climate engineering, everything, patents, operations, everything. And they literally supply and provide the, quote, forecast, which is the schedule weather to the National Weather Service in Noah, our nation's weatherman, that passes all the way down. And local meteorologist, simply, they know how long their leash is. They're protecting their paychecks and pensions. They tow the line as well, just like the safe and effective in the medical community. Everybody just toes the line because they don't want to disrupt their personal paradigm. These storms are being steered and manipulated, period. That's beyond dispute.

I'm glad you keep bringing up the COVID vax because it would be hard for my middle-aged brain to accept a lie at this scale. How could you do that? How could you hide something this big, this profound from an entire population? Except I just saw it five years ago with the COVID vax, which was a total lie. And now There's no dispute about the fact that they lied about it, but no one was ever punished, and most people believed it. So I know for a fact, what you're describing is possible. Actually, before I forget, let me ask, who pays to do this? This is quite an operation that you're running. You're clearly, I guess, not in it for the money. This is a bigger movement than I was aware until right now. So you're running lab tests on rainwater. You're researching this actively. Is this a volunteer effort? How and why are you doing this?

Because I can find no greater point for existing. How can I possibly I looked the other way? I was restoring habitat in Northern California, east side of Lake Shasta, habitat that was decimated by irresponsible logging practices. I wanted to do that the rest of my life. I wanted to plant trees and watch them grow the rest of my life.

Good for God bless you.

I mean, there's no greater solitude than what I was doing. But how was I to continue doing that knowing what I knew? When the solar output reduction happened that I mentioned earlier, and I began to test rain, knowing the implications of toxic rain, rain that contained aluminum. By the way, aluminum in regard to not just killing soil microbiome, but tree root systems, this is a peer-reviewed study, since that bioavailable aluminum, they shut down nutrient uptake. So the trees dry a slow protracted death. And all official agencies blame beetles. The trees are dying because of the beetles. That's all we hear. And the bottom line is beetles are a symptom of a sick, dead, dying tree. My father was an arborist. I know trees. I love When I was in kindergarten, they had to come out after recess and drag me out of the tree because I didn't want to come down.

Yeah, I feel the same way.

I mean, when no trees, no people.

That's simple, right? That's right.

So how is I to continue doing that? I can't. I can't look myself in the mirror. I can't look my children in the eyes. How could I not do this? And if we carry this further, Tucker, you know the bees are collapsing, right?

Oh, of course. I know very well.

So we know this year, we were told 70 % collapse this year. That's That's staggering. That's incredibly alarming. But what's the real figure? The real figure is that's a 70 % collapse of the 20 % that was remaining. We're down to single-digit percentages of pollinators left right now. We know insect populations have declined. This is terrestrial and aquatic insect, 80 to 90% globally.

It's very noticeable. If you don't believe it, remember the windshield on your parents' station wagon as a child in the summertime was covered in bugs. That is not Drive in a rural area every night and no bugs. That's real.

No bugs, no people. Also, we publicized this in 2012 with my work with former government scientists that could speak out because they were retired. And the science community tried to marginalize us, and now they've had to admit to it. If your listeners search insect apocalypse, they'll find the alarms going off all over the globe because this translates to plankton as well. No plankton, no people. We have a peer-reviewed science study now for the Atlantic. Plankton population is down 90 %. 90. Other oceans not far behind. That's the greatest oxygen producer on the planet. That is the base of life on Earth, plankton. The human race right now, Tucker, I've used this example before, but it sends a message that's very accurate. It's like occupants of a car parked on the railroad track. The train is seconds from impact, lights flashing, horn blaring, and they're trying to decide what station to put the radio on. I mean, no matter what other issue we're facing, and I would argue power structure maneuvering right now from conflict zones to carnage zones. Many other factors are directly related to the unfolding and accelerating biosphere collapse, which climate engineering is fueling, not mitigating, it's fueling it, and they will not let go of this covert weapon of control.

It is the crown jewel weapon with which they can, have been, and are bringing populations to their knees, including our own, without those populations ever even knowing they're under assault. They're not going to let go of this weapon. In regard It's to our military brothers and sisters that are participating in this, because many ask that question, why would they? But the bottom line is, and I've heard you say, I just heard you cite this, and I thank you for doing so, that our military brothers and sisters took an oath to protect their populations. I heard this on a former presentation you just made, to protect their populations from all threats, foreign and domestic. So they're being compartmentalized, and they're being told that these programs are some benevolent, necessary operation. Just like the pilots in Vietnam, I'm sure, were told when they were spraying Agent Orange on everybody, they're not told this is going to kill your comrade on the ground. Of course, they're not told that. So here we are.

And I think in a lot of cases, people don't know. They don't think it through. I mean, again, they're so high on this false feeling of omnipotence. We're in charge. We have the technology. We can make things better. I mean, people delude themselves. I think good people, I know good people delude themselves into committing evil because They think they have this power that they actually don't have. The bees start disappearing, the bats, as you know, of course, insects, plankton. These are all phenomena that most people are not going to notice because they live in cities, they're not in touch with bees or insects. But the trees dying is very obvious. I mean, these are plants that live for 100 years, and all of a sudden, they're dying. The fir trees are dying. Give us a sense of American forestry right now? How are the trees in this country?

I think the more important statistic might be globally at this point because we have that statistic. Tree cover has declined since pre-civilization baselines, 66 %, 66 % gone. The remaining one-third is dead and dying. Trees We've changed atmospheric chemistry so much. Forests do not smell like forests anymore. Anybody who knows trees and knows what forests once smell like, knows that that scent is gone. Why is it gone? Because of the now intense UV radiation that's bombarding the planet. And we're getting, by the way, UVC in the surface. I mentioned the ozone layer collapse, climate engineering, single greatest factor. The climate science community acknowledges this, by the way, Tucker. They acknowledge openly, if we geoengineers, if we haven't been for 80 20 years already, by the way, these programs were immediately deployed after World War II. That's how long they've been ongoing. But the science community openly admits that if we were to geo engineer, it would destroy the ozone layer. We had a former NASA contract engineer working directly for geoenginewatch. Org with state-of-the-art metering equipment into five figures we supplied. And again, we do this out of pocket. We don't monetize anything. Our film, The Dimming, the ground-breaking documentary, The Dimming, which is the standard on this issue, 26 million views, non monetized, posted for free the day it was done.

I'm in this for the cause. If we don't win this battle, nothing else matters. And back to the trees, the forest, it doesn't smell like forest anymore because the trees are shutting their stomata. That's a respiratory port on the trees, allowing them to breathe, to feed on carbon, to release oxygen, they are not respirating. They're dying a slow protracted death. That's the second-greatest oxygen producer on the planet. Again, From every conceivable direction, climate engineering is pounding the nails into our collective coffins, but they will not let go of this covert weapon of control. And for those that say they wouldn't do this themselves, again, they already have. We detonated 2,400 nuclear bombs on the planet. How many people know that? The Nevada detonations, which they did in total secrecy, we know now from peer-reviewed study, the downwind fallout from the Nevada nuclear bomb detonations killed no less than 700,000 Americans. That's peer-reviewed study. How many people know So again, they don't care about the consequences of what they do. We know as far as biological testing, according to the Washington Post, as of 1977, US military had conducted no less than 239 open-air biological tests on innocent, unknowing civilians.

Oh, come on now. Biological warfare tests on Americans?

I know you know. You must know that. Look it up. I mean, this is historical record, again, covered by mainstream media.

We had a revolution over a tea tax, dude. I feel like you can't put up with this.

I encourage all of your listeners to look up every single thing I state. That is very easy to find that statistic. Washington Post first published that in 1977. I hope it's clear from the statistics I'm sighting, I'm not shooting from the hip. So again, this is business as usual, and why people can't face that is perplexing. And let's look at Zignou Bresinski. I know you know who he is, former US presidential advisor, going all the way back to Johnson. What did he state in the record? Your listeners can look this up very easily as well. He stated, With today's technology, it's far easier to kill a million people than to control them. You think these people are here to help? Really? So again, I want to stress that the amount of layers with this issue, and there's many legitimate causes or concerns at this point in time, if we don't deal with what's happening in our skies, we're not going to be here long. And if we could look at COVID for a moment, we know that, for one, the world's second most recognized climate engineer, Dr. Ken Caldera, former DOD scientist. We own an audio of him at geoenginewatch.

Org. In His words, stating what he did for the DOD, was to design methods of spraying pathogens into clouds to infect the populations below. We know in the outbreak of CV-19, at one point, 85 countries were infected in three days. That's indicative of an airborne dispersion. We know from Italian researchers, they found CV-19 attached to airborne particulates. Do not all these dots connect. They certainly would appear so. We know from our precipitation testing, we have polymer fibers and graphene in our aim. Graphene is like a vascular machete. I mean, it's listed in geo engineering patents for certain purposes. Again, they don't care about the consequences. But those two elements also, Tucker, are used militarily as biological carrier platforms to carry a pathogen from the clouds to the ground to infect the population below. Why is that in our reign right now? Could they, at any point of their choosing, put something much more lethal into the precipitation and level the playing field? Certainly they could.

This is also shocking. Have you spoken to elected officials about this, members of Congress?

Many, and I continue to, and many know, I've had private meetings with Gavin Newsom at this California State Capitol, his top eight, and not that that individual would ever do anything for the common good. He wouldn't. He's there to serve those who have them on the end of their strings. No response there. I have on my desk- I'm sorry to interrupt.

So you actually said this or a version of this to Gavin Newsom, the governor of California?

Yes. And in fact, what I conveyed to Newsom also, if these programs were allowed to continue, because I was focused more on the state of California and the impact here, that the drought catastrophes in California would be catastrophic. I supplied data, which he didn't try to dispute, because I've had meetings with California Energy Commission scientists as well, air quality scientists, But California has been concerned about, of course, the lack of precipitation, which affects our hydro power production, also affects Hoover Dam, Hitch Canyon Dam. But if your listeners looked at presentations I gave well over a decade ago, engineer drought, catastrophe, target, California, everything Everything I said in those presentations back then is more relevant now than ever. Presented that data to Newsom. And the drought has continued, which they're not even disclosing now. Even in Northern California right now, they show zero drought. That's a blatant, glaring statistical falsification. It has never been drier here in regard to soil moisture and firefuel moisture. They're lying about everything. They're lying about the UV readings on the surface. This blatant, glaring lies. They meter... We know about every single aspect of this equation. They're disclosing and metering only down to 300 nanometres in regard of the UV spectrum.

That's half of the UVB spectrum. No UV He is even metered for, let alone disclosed. Same as the air quality particulates. Pm 10 is looked for, nothing below that. I've had California State air quality officials in a closed-door meeting, five of them, tell me to my face, the system is rigged. We're testing for combustion particulates only. The rest goes out the window. Whole system by design to not show the immensity of damage being done. So back to Newsom and those officials, no, no response. Yes, they know. The Palisades fire. I'm sure that's fresh in your mind, right?

You're very.

The ability for the climate engineer to shut off precipitation is far greater even than their ability to augment it. They can shut down rain as long as they want, as we know from the Middle Eastern countries, as I just stated on Iran. So in the case of the Palisades, no rain for eight months. It's not an accident. These particulates are incendiaries. Aluminum nanoparticles are such an effective incendiary. They're used in military demolitions. Thermite. That incendiary dust coats the floor, coats foliage. And when that builds up over time, that makes everything more volatile as well. I spoke about atmospheric pressure zones, which they can and are manipulating. And in doing so, they can manipulate surface wind flows, creating extreme zonal wind flow patterns, the same as they did in La Hina. Same thing. Extremely anomalous low pressure zones, one to the north, which was an engineer high pressure zone to the south hurricane Dora. Between those two, you create a bellows effect, a blow torch effect. Whatever the source of ignition. And many online speculate about that in very fringe ideas of what might cause the ignition. Again, that's irrelevant. What's setting the template for these fires to burn with such porosity?

And that is definitely climate engineering. I'll leave it with this. We found a 140-page US military document which we posted, titled Wildfires as a Military Weapon. Within that document, 17 sites were claimed in the US as study zones, LA was one. And including that, we describe exactly the type of pre-preparation that we see happening in all these locations. La Hina was declared a flash drought zone a week prior to that incineration. So we can speculate on the agendas and objectives being carried out. The fact that climate engineering is inseparable from these equations. It's absolutely indisputable. That document, by the way, also posted at geonegeeringwatch. Org with the important sections highlighted. Shocking data.

Has there been any attempt to push back legislatively? Like, is the Congress ever taken this up?

Yes. Again, we have 36 states with legislation in some process. Two states have already passed it. I'm communicating with an aid to DeSantis. I've had an hour conference call with Latipo there on the issue. We have some very rational people involved. He is. He very much is. His whole team was on the call. We've had Marjorie Taylor-Green just address this. That was publicized well. We tried to reach Mrs. Green before this to try to give some compass heading, because if you fly into this blind, you can do more harm than good. And one thing we encourage, unfortunately, Marjorie didn't get this message. We hope she does at some point. Don't open the entire climate scenario and mix it with this issue. And that's what she did. We want to keep the focus on climate engineering. And when there's a denial of the other sources of damage to the planet, that tends to immediately alienate half the people we need in this battle. So what we would try to encourage and encourage other legislators to do is if the subject of the climate comes up, that how can we have any legitimate discussion of climate, anything from any perspective, without first and foremost addressing this elephant in the equation?

And that narrative is much more productive at building bridges instead of burning it. Burning it.

I knew the climate was changing, of course, because I pay attention to nature. But you've just singlehandedly convinced me that a lot of this is driven by human activity, just not your suburban and your hairspray. It's driven by the US military.

With both. I want to stress again, we are not denying at you, as you can watch the door, that, again, statistically, we are putting about 100 million tons of of carbon in the air a day, 26 million tons of coal, 100 million barrels of hydrocarbon. We're cutting down the forest. We're paving the planet. We're poisoning the oceans. All of these things happen in effect. We're acknowledging that. But we're saying when we have intentional intervention, which has prevented the planet from responding to the damage done, if it weren't for toxic rain, Tucker, the forest may have tried to uptake more of that carbon and to keep things more in balance, but they can't. The trees can't. The Systems are being poisoned, soil microbiome being poisoned, ozon layer being destroyed. These programs are literally disabling the planet's counterbalancing life support systems. So we will never know now how much better position we would have been in had climate engineering, aka weather warfare. Let's call it what it is. It's weather warfare. Had these programs never been deployed, we will now never know how much better a position we might have been in. But those in power, again, do not care about the consequences their actions, even to themselves.

And we know that from psychoanalysis. I've looked at this from a psychoanalysis standpoint, and it specifically cites the personality disorders that exist with those in power have a common thread. And that common thread is this, a near total lack of comprehension as to the consequences of their actions, even to themselves. That's a power addict. And I know you- That is correct. More than anybody in the world does an addict care. We're dealing with a headless, heartless, souless cancer at this point. And does an addict care the next fix may kill them? They don't care. And at this point, it's a runaway train. So for many people that walk away saying they would never do this to themselves, they already have. We know this from the nuclear scenario I outlined. If I could tie one more dot together, forgive me, but this is important because it's an existential threat. I outlined that climate engineering is decimating the planet's primary protective life support system, starting with the ozone layer. Now we're much more susceptible to a CME, a coronal mass ejection, solar flare. If we have an event like the Carrington event in the 1800s, that would shut down grid power around the world.

Now we have nuclear plants that can't cool themselves. Now we have Fukushima times 100 or 200. Game over. Again, directly connected to climate engineering.

What is the effect on animal populations? You mentioned bees, plankton, and other insects, but what about mammals? Do you notice any effect?

Yes. We have peer-reviewed study of whales that have extraordinary amounts of aluminum in their tissue. Where's that coming from? This is bioavailable aluminum. You might hear the attempt to debunk this is to say, well, aluminum is a very common element, which it is. It's the third most abundant in the Earth strata, but it does not exist in free form naturally, period. Yes, that's correct. Always to other moments. So that's the part that they leave out. So we have even whales absorbing this same material, having an obvious effect in regard to overall global animal populations, wildlife populations, down conservatively about 75 % in the last four years alone. That's 75 % of an already depleted population. The giant herds of caribou, you've seen films of that, right? Tucker, a Million Strong. Some of those herds were a million. They're down to 5,000 or less from a million. Virtual crash. And we have some extraordinary images from what chemical ice nucleation can do. It is profound. When you have an endothermic reaction, you know what an exothermic reaction is. You have this massive energy release, the splitting of an atom being the epitome of that. But an endothermic reaction is profound in many ways as well.

So we have images of, for example, hundreds of water fowel frozen solid to the surface of a lake. How does that happen? Tucker, you've seen the massive baseball and softball size hail falling everywhere, right? Yes. So much so that insurance companies are canceling any hail coverage now. Because it's increased so profoundly. That's chemical ice nucleation. The extreme form, if your listeners searched Lake Michigan iceballs, they can see the shores of Lake Michigan, coded with 75 pound, perfectly spherical iceballs. They don't fall that big from the sky. They form that way in the ocean because they're chemically nucleating over the Great Lakes constantly. That's how they pile up these massive amounts of snow in Erie and Buffalo, and they make sensationalized headlines. You can literally throw a rock to no snow, but they only show the 4 feet or 5 feet of snow in Erie and Buffalo and sensationalize. Look how much snow, snow, snow there is while we're 80 degrees at the top of the Sierras in the middle of winter in California. They don't publicize that. Do you I remember, Tucker, when Boston had the record lows, 2014, I think, Boston had record lows and they really sensational snow.

What didn't they tell us? Middle of winter, while Boston was buried in snow, it was literally no snow, 14,000 feet up in the Sierras. They never told us about that, did they? So again, there's a perception aspect in this, too. Keeping business as usual until the last possible moment, until the moment of impact, being able to retain their power in this way while using weather as a weapon. The crops are shutting down as well. Globally, we have crop collapse happening everywhere. Same scenario, they're shedding their stemata, they're not feeding, they're not absorbing carbon, they're not releasing oxygen. So again, this is a ubiquitous contamination.

I think the first step is to let people know the facts that you just laid out and to have a public debate about it. It always begins with words, anything good. So could you just end by telling us for people who have made it to this portion of the interview and want to know more, can you speak slowly and direct them to where they can get more information on this?

Geoengineeringwatch. Org strives to be a data repository on this issue. And the only way we can move this fight forward is to share credible data from a credible source. And we strive to be that source. I have one goal, one mission. I live for the day when what's happening in our skies is fully exposed and halted, which, Tucker, I would we can only do from the inside out. The legislation is good because it puts it on the radar, but it's symbolic. They're not going to stop the operations from that. Only by pushing this issue to the full light of day can we cause a shockwave around the world so that populations in countries all over the world understand what their governments have either actively or passively done to them without their knowledge or consent. And in doing so, our military brothers and sisters would hopefully waken to what they're doing to their countrymen And one would hope would stand down. I know we have the Milgram experiment as an example of most human beings, if they're being told by someone they perceive an authority, will carry out almost any form of atrocity. And we need to get past that.

But if we can fully expose this, the fur will fly. I would argue we would alter the equation and drag many other issues with it. Issues like 9/11 or the safe and effective, because you can't hide what's happening in our sky. There's many issues that people and try to put in the rear view mirror. You can't do that with this. It's getting worse by the day. The damage done is getting worse by the day. But if we share credible data from a credible source, that's much more effective at waking people up than running out in the street, pointing at the sky and ranting. If they can look at satellite images, which we capture, the moment we see them on the NASA satellite feed, we capture them because they try to scrub them off. We have satellite images that are beyond shocking, that you don't even know anything about meteorology to know something very radical and very wrong is going on. And we put that on our printed materials, which we distribute to all legislators, and we supply them for activists and populations. There's about a half million of our 20-page booklets in circulation right now.

We're trying desperately to give visuals, which are a much better key to the door. We're trying desperately, again, with legislators to not open up the whole climate condition front or climate change front. Stick to this issue. Stick to this. And we can't have a discussion about climate unless or until we deal with this first. We take this out of the equation, then we can assess where we're at. So again, by knowing how to play chess, by knowing the chess board, we need to play effectively and efficiently. And if we can do that, start spotfires of awareness, ask others to do the same, we will put enough holes in the dam that those in power can't plug the leaks, and we will push this issue to the full light of day. And if we can do that, we will alter the equation. And again, time is not on our side. We can avoid a toxic medical concoction, injection. We can avoid a lot of things. We have to breathe. Every breath we take is filled with these nanoparticles. In fact, we have peer-review studies to prove that as well. And we have, in the case of the nanoplastics, the climate science community is now starting to admit to that.

They're showing up in human brains, lungs, placentium, everything. Everything human organ. And again, we know that these particles are not just a result of plastic decomposition in the environment, because our testing with RPI in New York conclusively proved that the particles we found were manufactured. That means, and they can tell with their spectroscopy, spectroscopy, excuse me, watching too much porky pig, they know that. So bottom line is we're dealing with the ubiquitous contaminants of the planet. If we can't breathe without inhaling that, the ramifications are beyond grave. That's a fight for life right here, right now.

Yeah. Are you spraying chemicals into the air without telling me using my text dollars? Simple question that I plan to start asking people in leadership positions. So I don't know how I made it this long without knowing all of this, but I'm grateful for this conversation, and I hope it sparks a national conversation and some outreach. Dane, thank you very much.

Thank you, Tucker. Thank you so much for your voice. Thank you to your team. The importance of you and your team at this critical moment in human history cannot be overstated. And we at geoengineering Watch, in our platforms, which are much smaller than yours. We, of A million followers is all nothing compared to yours. But everybody in our ranks is 1,000 % behind you, brother.

Well, that's so nice. Thank you. We want to be helpful. I appreciate it.

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