Transcript of It’s Time to Decide: America First or Lindsey Graham’s Psychosexual Death Cult?

Good evening and welcome, and happy anniversary. Tonight is the one year anniversary of Trump's second election to the presidency. It was a year ago tonight that Donald Trump not only won, but won a majority of the popular vote. And not only won a majority of the popular vote, but one with a coalition that was broader than any Republican coalition, probably since 1984 with the Reagan landslide. So a 40 year coalition. And at the time, Looking at not just how many people voted, but who voted, it seemed really obvious if you were interested in keeping the left at bay and the Republicans in power for, say, the next generation or two, you would copy exactly what Donald Trump did because no one else has done it in 40 years. He created this amazing, not just landslide, not really a landslide, but it was an amazing victory in an environment in which most people assumed you couldn't have an authoritative victory because the country is just too closely divided. It was an amazing thing that Donald Trump did a year ago. The election was a year ago. That means the midterm election is a year from now, the next presidential election, two years after that.

It's probably not to early to start thinking through what comes after Donald Trump. No disrespect to the sitting president, but of course, there's going to be something after him because he can't run again. It leads to say people are thinking about that, and now they're thinking about it. They're already arguing and fighting Thinking about it, there is what Politico is calling a civil war in the Republican Party. It's over, of course, identity, because the only wars we have in this country, the only sanctioned wars we have domestically, are about identity, BLM, anti-Semitism. Of course, that's not really what they're ever about. These are proxy wars. These are wars waged on behalf of people who aren't directly participating for reasons that are never openly stated. And this war is actually about what comes after Donald Trump. Does the Republican Party, the party that now has power and a lot of money, revert to what it was before Trump, or does it continue to evolve in the direction that Trump has steered it? That's the question. And on that question, it hangs a lot. Well, control of the most powerful country in the world, control of the free world, such as it is, the shrinking free world, and an awful lot of jobs for people and an awful lot of military power.

So there is a lot at stake in this contest. So consider the two choices here. You can go with the Republican Party as it was, which is basically neoconservative foreign policy, libertarian economic policy, the Republican Party of the Thinktanks in Washington of the Wall Street Journal editorial page of all the deep thinkers in the Republican Party, deep thinkers in the Look at your part, deep thing. The ones who are always invoking the same three Reagan quotes and quoting Tocqueville incorrectly and doing their little we're area diet impression. Or does it continue to become what it is currently becoming, which is the party of Donald Trump. Well, what is that? What is MAGA exactly? How do you make America great again? Well, Donald Trump, in his signature way, which is to say never quite spelling everything all the way out because he's not very ideological, but instead leading by implication and by action, the position of Donald Trump in the last election was America first. What does America first means? America first means, very simply, the US government should act, foremost, on behalf of American citizens, which is to say every big decision the US government makes should keep in mind the top of the list of concerns.

How does this affect the people who pay for this and who I represent? And again, most people thought that was their system that we already had. Turns out it wasn't. Donald Trump awakened all of us to that. The system was not acting in the interest of the country. It was acting really without reference to the people who lived in the country. It didn't care. And it was acting on behalf of a bunch of other different imperatives. Donald Trump steered it back to where it was supposed to be in the first place, which was acting on behalf of America. That's what America first means. This was not just a popular message. This is the most popular political message that any candidate has delivered in many, many generations. It's popular because, excuse me, it's self-evidently true. Who wouldn't want that? That, exactly, that message is the message that drew a record high number of famous Really Black voters, Latino voters, voters of all kinds, just American voters united by a belief that the US government ought to represent them, and drain the swamp, and no more pointless wars, etc. But they're all branches of the same tree, which is America first, which is not only a non-threatening message, it's really the only legitimate message that a leader of America can send.

And it's the only legitimate principle that can guide any American leader. So that is the winning message. If you're hoping to Keep the Republican Party dominant or make it into something more positive than it currently is, cleave to that and you will win. It's super obvious. There's no person who thinks about this for six minutes who could disagree with that. On the other side is a return to the Republican Party that we had before, which is a party that has all kinds of other agendas, most of which are never publicly revealed, and that spends a lot of its time policing its own members. Now, what does it attempt to achieve by policing them? Well, it attempts to achieve silence. It wants them to shut up about what is actually happening. What is actually happening is that on the foreign policy side, which is the side that Washington cares about because it's got the most money and the most power, you can literally kill people, and there's no power greater than that. Our foreign policy is not wholly dependent on the whims of Israel. Of course, we have acting in lots of parts of the world that have nothing to do with Israel, but it is unduly influenced by the concerns of Israel.

In some cases, the US government has acted, and these are all well known. The Iraq war, for example, has acted in ways that hurt the United States in order to help Israel. It has put the aims of a foreign power above its own interests. That's immoral, it's illegitimate, It's extremely unpopular domestically, and it just doesn't work over time. That's not sustainable. There's no way to justify that. Rather than trying to justify it, they scream at people and tell them to be quiet and read them out of the movement and call them names and threaten them. But ultimately, because it's not a winning message, it cannot win over time, particularly if people are allowed or somehow managed to describe it accurately. Unfortunately for the guardians of the The old system, the old Republican Party, people have been allowed to describe it accurately, mostly because Elon Musk opened up X. When he did that, you get all kinds of filth and nonsense and lies, but you also get some truth, actually quite a bit of truth. One of the main things that people are telling the truth about that they didn't tell the truth about before is that our foreign policy really doesn't have much to do with what's good for the United States.

Once those words have been uttered, they can't be taken back, and they change people's minds, and the polls reflect the fact that they have. People People's views are different. In the face of this inevitable change of heart, collective change of heart in America, where both parties are like, Wait, why are we doing this? The people who are benefiting from the old arrangement, which only continued because it was maintained by threats and silence, those people are going absolutely bonkers. They have been all week and they're claiming it's about one thing, the Holocaust or something like that. But no, really, it's about who controls the Republican Party after Donald Trump. That's what it's really about. Ignore the moral posturing. This is a power struggle, as all political parties have from time to time. This one just happens to have a lot of emotionally unbalanced hysterical people with no limits who have access to social media, so they're carrying the crap out of everybody. But it's really a conventional power struggle. Who are the players in this? Well, some of them are in the Pundit class. The more ludicrous ones are in the Pundit class, but some of them are actual sitting politicians.

If you were to choose one who symbolizes what we're actually debating and the stakes of this conversation, it would have to be Lindsay Graham. Lindsay Graham is a senior senator from the state of South Carolina, one of the most conservative, reliably Republican states out of 50. He has been in Congress since 1994, so that would be 31 years. And he is running for yet another term as a US senator. He's 70 years old. He'd like to serve till he's 77. And he has the support, not simply of the White House, he has an endorsement from the President, but he has more donor support, probably than anyone who's ever run in the history of the United States. I mean, Lindsay Graham has so much donor support, and donor, just as a numerical question, probably represent a hundredth of one % of the American population, but have a great deal higher proportion of the money. He's the most popular candidate they've ever backed. He's like a higher IQ, less grading Nikki Haley, Ron DeSantis. And so they'll be backing him. And all things being equal, he will be reelected. And so why does this matter? Well, it matters not because Lindsay Graham is a horrible person.

I mean, he may be a horrible person. The truth is Lindsay Graham is actually a very charming person and a very interesting dinner partner and a fun person to be with. Hilariously funny. I met him for the first time. I was his seatmate on a campaign bus in 1999. He was a member of Congress, and we a couple of weeks sitting next to each other. And by the end, I thought to myself, I love this guy. He's hilarious. Always a joke, always has a drink in his hand. He's genuinely a cheerful person, probably fun to play golf with. So the reason that this is an important race is not because Lindsay Graham is like Mark Levin. If you were stuck in an elevator with him, you'd have to obviously kill yourself because you couldn't handle. He's not that. You'd enjoy being stuck in an elevator with him. The reason it's so important is because Lindsay Graham is the living symbol of the old Republican Party, the Republican Party that did a lot, almost as much as the Democratic Party, to destroy the United States. If he is reelected next November, that will be a sign that actually the democratic system doesn't work.

Lindsay Graham's views are not popular. They are despised in the state of South Carolina. His views, if you were to disaggregate Lindsay Graham from what he believes and just poll Republican primary voters in South Carolina, do you agree with this? Lindsay Graham would be less popular than the Democrat because his views are impugnant to Republican voters and to Trump voters. And so if he were to get elected anyway, it would tell you that the system doesn't respond to the concerns of voters, and therefore, the system isn't working and isn't legitimate because the point of the system is to respond to those concerns. And so a lot is at stake. If Lindsay Graham wins, it will be the most dispirating thing to happen in American politics in a very, very long time. So if Kamala Harris were to win in the last year or go to night, it would be horrible. She'd be an awful president, probably even worse than Biden, insecure, fragile, weird, dumb. You can just imagine. Nightmare. But at least you could say, well, she was elected by a party that agrees with her. Kamala Harris got elected because the Democrats are insane.

Okay. What's the excuse if you're a Republican voter, if you're a Trump voter for electing Lindsay Graham? Hard to think of one. I just want to spend a couple of minutes before we go to one of the men challenging Lindsay Graham in the Republican primary next June, Paul Danz, who we're going to talk to in a minute. We want to go through a couple of things you should know about Lindsay Graham. If Graham gets reelected, it'll be because the true Lindsay Graham, his record, his views, his priorities, his dark impulses are all lost in the haze of propaganda that surrounds him, and people only know him through the political ads that his donors paid for. We think it's important for people to know who he actually is. We're going to start with a clip. We could do this for eight hours, but we're going to do this for 20 minutes because we want to get to the guest. But we're going to start with a clip from this past Saturday, I think this past Weekend. And Lindsay Graham was giving a speech of the Republican Jewish Coalition, I think in Vegas. And he was one of many speakers who were getting hysterical and threatening violence against Republicans who don't agree with them and jumping up and down and raging about the Nazis.

The Nazis. Eighty years after we defeated them. Lindsay Graham was probably in some ways less hysterical, but he was the most important office holder at this event. And he said a couple of things that really reveal the program precisely. Here is Lindsay Graham this last weekend. He recognized Jerusalem as capital of Israel. Why? Because if you got a problem with that, take it up with God. He's the guy that did it, not Trump. So I just want to say I feel good about the Republican Party. I feel good about where we're going as a nation. We're killing all the right people and we're cutting your taxes. So there are a couple of things to notice about this that really tell you everything you need to about Lindsay Graham. First, we left the context of it, he's defending Donald Trump. He's saying, not defending, Trump is probably pretty popular in the room, but he's saying, remember, Trump's a great President. Why is he great? Well, because he moved the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. What? I mean, okay, you can make a case for it or not, but why should I care exactly? It's a purely symbolic move.

It has actual consequences internally in Israel, but it doesn't even pretend to improve your life. Graham didn't get up and say, he made prescription drugs cheaper. He's going to lower your health insurance, make it easier for your kids to buy a home. He got the cities under control. They're now safe. You can use the parks. He's improving the schools. You couldn't send your kids to public school. Now you can. You can use the emergency rooms again because he's deported 10 million illegal aliens who were hogging the space, which is where we currently are. Now, the reason you should love Trump is because he moved the US Embassy, in a foreign country from one city to another. Why does that matter? Well, Lindsay Graham explained why it matters. Because God commanded it. If you don't like that, take it up with God. God, it turns out, and this may be in one of the noncanonical books in the scriptures, God wanted the US State Department to move the American embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. I mean, it's a basic tenet of our faith. It may even be in the catechism. What? And of course, given the venue, no one raised hands and said, I'm sorry, Lindsay Graham, not a Bible scholar here, but how do we know that God wanted the State Department to move an embassy 80 miles or whatever the distance is from one city to another?

How do we know that's God's preference? But this is a tick of Lindsay Graham. He explained recently that if you have a problem within Israel, God will kill you. And that would include the United States. He said, I'm almost quoting him here, If the United States abandons Israel, God will abandon the United States and kill us all. We'll die if we don't support, as he calls it, Israel. Israel. This is the Mike Huckabee pronunciation Israel, which may be some like dog whistle meant to telegraph that I'm really on your side. It may be like the Kyiv rather than Kyiv. When you call it Israel, it's like, yeah, I got it. We're on the same page. Anyway, so the first thing we learn is the most important fact to know about Trump, the reason you should love him is because he supports Israel. Second is God demands whatever policy at the moment is God's will. Lindsay Graham was just guessing, probably not a Bible scholar. And if he is, he's skipping over certain parts of the book. Excuse me. And the third thing to learn, and this really is the heart of Lindsay Graham, is that the Republican Party is doing what you voted for us to do.

And that is, and I'm quoting now, cutting your taxes and killing all the right people. So That's the perfect distillation. Lindsay Graham is clever. He's hardly a genius. He's not like a philosopher or anything. But he has summed up the Republican Party that Donald Trump overthrew more precisely than any person I've ever heard in my life. Cutting your taxes and killing all the right people. Because that really is the crispest way to describe the marriage of libertarian economics and neoconform policy, cutting taxes and killing. One. And if you think about it, who'd want to be associated with that? It's not an argument for higher taxes. Higher taxes can be bad. But cutting taxes is not a virtue in itself. The point is, if people are overburdened by the tax system, it's hurting them. We're not getting a lot out of it. If it's growing like some completely impenetrable democracy that's hurting the country, which it is, by the way, then, of course, you want to cut taxes, I guess, to starve the cancer or whatever. You can make the argument. But cutting taxes itself is hardly a virtue. It's a contextual matter. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.

It totally depends. But in Lindsay Graham's simplistic but heartfelt formulation, cutting taxes is just a positive, but always And so is killing people. Killing people. You can sum up foreign policy. Killing people. Killing the right people. No, they got to be the right people. But killing people. Killing people is just a good thing. It's one of the things you don't need to describe. It's like sex with your wife. It's just good. Have you killed someone today? Oh, good. You have? Okay, good. That's how he thinks of it. And if you take three steps back, you're tempted if you've known Lindsay Graham, like I have for 25 years. You're like, Yeah, it's Lindsay Graham. He's always saying these provocative things. But if you think about it for a second, you're a sick fuck if you say something like that, much less if you believe it. Killing people? Have you ever met anyone who's killed someone? You probably have. You may be someone who's taken a human life. It's a very heavy thing. And it's something that even if you win the fight and walk away and the other man doesn't, it stays with you for life because it's the heaviest thing there is.

And it's the most forbidden thing there is. It's the darkest thing there is. We don't create life. And except under very rare specific circumstances, we're not allowed to extinguish it because we're not God. And so if you're casually encouraging other people to kill, and if you're gleefully in front of an audience, applauding like seals, bragging about the killing that you are doing, you're not on the team you think you are. That's really evil. And if that's what your party amounts to, cutting taxes and killing people, who's for that? I mean, some people are for it. All the The rules in the room are for it. Killing people, okay. But most people, especially when they have time to think about it, like you're on a plane, you have time to stare at the window and think about what something means, you're repulsed by that because it's repulsive. It's the most repulsive thing. And In fact, a good government, a government that really cared about its people, would do everything it possibly could to prevent people with that attitude, like Lindsay Graham, from ever holding power or wielding it over others because they're monsters. Cheerful monster, Hilarious monster, good-natured monster, but monster.

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No, not at all. Lindsay Graham, of all members, except maybe that weird guy from Florida, Randy Fine, who's openly endorsing genocide. Lindsay Graham of every member of Congress can be relied upon at every public event, every photo opportunity, every time you run into him on the street, to be calling for the murder of somebody. Killing is the point of Lindsay Graham's political career. Trying to convince the rest of us to get on board with killing when we won't, screaming at us and calling us names, and you're the hater because you're not on board with killing this or that person. It's all about killing people. I want to give you a second example. This is Lindsay Graham, who's, from the very beginning, been a staunt supporter of really one of the most brutal dictators, let's just say it out loud, in Europe in years, and that would be Zelenskyy, the unelected dictator of Ukraine, who's basically devoting half of his life to extinguishing Christianity in Ukraine. All of us are supposed to ignore that, but it's actually happening, putting priests in jail, killing his political opponents, murdering critics. That's happening right now. Lindsay Graham, of course, loves him because he's doing a lot of killing, killing the right people, as Lindsay put it.

Here's Lindsay Graham in a conversation with Zelenskyy, and sorry, another parenthetically note, Graham and Zelensky, both of whom are hardened warriors, run around in military uniforms, talking about how tough they are. Neither one will ever sit for an interview that isn't a kiss-ass interview. I've made about 100 requests to each of them. No. So they interview each other. But here's Lindsay Graham talking to Prime Minister Zelensky about killing. Watch. Free or die.

Free or die.

Now you are free. Yes. And we will be.

And the Russians are dying.

It's the best money we've ever spent. Thank you so much. The Russians are dying. It's the best money we've ever spent. Again, just encouraging you to think about what you're hearing for a second, because all of a sudden we live in a moment when a lot of people are espousing violence. It's funny, a year ago, if you would ask a year on election night, if you would ask a lot of Trump voters, Why are you voting for Trump? They would give positive reasons. I really I think that the American government should serve American citizens. I believe in America first. But they would also, I think, say, I'm really afraid of the other guys. Two of the things that bother me most about them is they don't believe in free speech. They're constantly pushing for censorship. And their rhetoric is violent. Their rhetoric, they're encouraging violence. They encourage the BLM riots. They encourage violence all the time. And yet a year later, here you have all these leading Republicans doing, what are they doing? Oh, demanding censorship. Should be fired for saying that. You shouldn't platform someone, meaning you shouldn't let them talk. And you shouldn't be allowed to talk to people we disagree with.

All of a sudden, we're in charge of who you talk to. That's not totalitarian or anything. I can choose who you talk to. And we're going to just openly say that people we don't like should die. Should die. And here's Lindsay Graham taking joy in, and I'm quoting, Russians dying. Best money we ever spent. If If you can spend money to make people die, that is money well spent. You freak. By the way, it's not, here are the five generals or 10 generals or list of people we think are responsible for war crimes in the Donbas. Okay, Okay, I mean, we can debate whether they are or not. Probably not, but maybe they are. You'd say the person who committed the crime is being punished. But Lindsay Graham, who has a completely nonwestern understanding of justice, is saying, Because they are in this group, they must die. That's the distinction. This is the actual fight. It's a fight between people who understand justice the way that Christians understand justice, which is on an individual basis, we punish the guilty, we punish the person for committing the crime. We don't punish his kids, people who share the same last name or live down the street from him or look like him or are somehow related to him, speak the same language as him because they didn't do anything wrong.

We don't punish the innocent in Christianity because we believe in the human soul, the individual soul. We don't think we're judged as a group. We think we are judged as individuals. We'll stand alone, alone before God to account for what we did. Not for what our kids did, not for what our grandparents did, not for what our neighbors did, or our countrymen did, or our leaders did, but for what we did. That is the basis of Western justice. It's being abandoned and without a fight because people don't understand what is happening. But make no mistake, the attitude that you just heard from Lindsay Graham is an Eastern understanding, a non-Christian understanding of justice. The Russians. What does that mean? What Russians? Just Russians. They're dying. Best money we ever spent. So you're watching two things. You're watching someone who's embraced collective punishment as Israel has, as most of the world has. By the way, it's not just Israel, and it's not just Lindsay Graham. It's most countries at Most times in history, believed in collective punishment and collective reward. You're the favorite group. You're the Tootsies, and you get a better deal or whatever. You're the chosen people in whatever society or religion.

But you're the Brahmans. You get, because of your DNA, a better deal. The diversity, DEI, affirmative action, they're all species of the same thinking, which is collective thinking, which denies the reality of the individual human soul, and it is, therefore, anti-Christian. The entire West was set up as a bulwark against that thinking. That's why it succeeded, and that's why it's been free and prosperous and happy. People like Lindsay Graham don't acknowledge that, and instead, they worship death. And he has, as noted, a long career of doing this. This is not a conservative principle. This is not a Christian principle. This is a left wing, atheist agnostic at best principle. This is the I am God, I'll kill whom I want, when I want principle. And it's been on display his whole life. On January sixth, Lindsay Graham said to a Capitol Hill police officer, You guys have guns. Why don't you shoot them all in the head? I wish you had. Shoot them all in the head? These aren't Russians. These are Americans. These 60-year-old ladies with pocket constitutions in their handbags and diabetes and bad knees who thought their election was stolen from them because they believe in the system.

So they marched on the Capitol. They didn't know at the time that they were 230 FBI vice, whatever they were, agents, provocateurs, that the whole thing was managed. Some of us sense that immediately. Lindsay Graham could find out. Maybe he has. He doesn't care. Those people, in some cases, lured into this trap, allowed into the capital by security. That's on videotape, we're not guessing. Those people should be executed because what? They made him scared, and he was scared on 9/11. Talk to his colleagues. I have. Lindsay Graham was terrified. Lindsay Graham is a physical coward. Of course he is. All the chickenhocks are. That's why they don't fight the wars, but they're also victims in this. When you call for the deaths of others, when you other people's lives as meaningless, when you think it's the best use of federal tax dollars to murder them, as he does, you become more afraid for your own life. It's always true. Dick The spectators are always paranoid and afraid. They're never brave, ever. And Lindsay Graham is no different. Shoot them in the face. So the idea that Lindsay Graham is a conservative, with the caveat that who even knows what a conservative is now?

Conservative? Is Mark Levin a conservative? Is Dave Rubin, whoever that is? Is he conservative? Okay, I guess. I mean, whatever. But if those are the people, Ted Cruz, conservative? I don't know. Let's take a close look at Ted Cruz's life. What's conservative about it? Let's take a close look at Lindsay Graham's life. Is that conservative? And what's the reference point for that? What do you even mean? People like that have a completely different set of values on the deepest level, not on a surface level. We're not arguing here about tax rates and whether we should allow reimportation of prescription drugs. I mean, this is not a policy debate. This is a debate that flows from deepest level convictions, from foundational beliefs, and that is evident in the way that people live. If I took a microscope to your life, what would I find? And in the case of almost every single warmonger, you find chaos and sadness and alienation and weird behavior and abusiveness and alcoholism. It's like they're a disaster. And so they're projecting outward the hate that they feel on, in some cases, entire populations and increasingly on the American population. So when you think of a conservative as buttoned down and has his act together and is committed to his family, His family and his grandchildren, it's like, this is not that conservative.

So are they conservative? Who knows what they are. But the point is, Lindsay Graham has sided with the Democratic Party from his earliest days in the Congress. I mean, this is literally the guy who convinced John McCain to turn over the ridiculous Russiagate, the original Russiagate, private investigator/intel agency files about Donald Trump, the P tape, but the rest, to turn it over to the FBI, as if it was real. Lindsay Graham believed that the 2020 election, the 2016 election, was controlled by Russia. There was never any evidence for that at all. But he believed it. He said it. He believed Trump was a Russian agent. How did he wind up in the inner circle? I mean, God knows what's actually going on. But the point is, if that's the future of the Republican Party, it's going to be a very small party, and it's going to be a small party where the worst people in the world are all clustered together, jock sniffing, yelling at each other. Who knows what they do? But if you wonder who Lindsay Graham actually is, what his gut instincts are, take a look at his first reaction to the death of George Floyd.

In case you don't remember that story, it was Memorial Day, 2020. This convicted, armed robber, home invader, drug addict, former porn star, tries to pass a counterfeit bill in a convenience store, like these poor convenience store owners, in Minneapolis and gets arrested for it and then promptly dies of a drug OD. That was all pretty obvious from day one, actually, but that wasn't Lindsay Graham's view at all. Here's what Lindsay Graham said about George Floyd.

The topic for the country is what to do after the death of Mr..

Floyd, and what does the death of Mr. Floyd mean? Well, it's a long, overdue wake-up call to the country that there are too many of these cases where African-American men die in police custody under fairly brutal circumstances. Mr. Floyd's case is outrageous on his face, but I think it speaks to a broader issue.

I think this committee has the potential to reinforce things in society that will lead to better policing. Hopefully, one day, if you're a young black man and the cops pull up behind you, you'll be wondering if you were going too fast rather than you're going to get beat up.

I mean, It is liberal white women like Lindsay Graham who are the real problem. I mean, here he is. What's his first instinct? By the way, that's June of 2020. That's like days after it happened. It's Congressional hearing Kamala Harris is looking like, As a fake Black person, I'm really concerned about what you're saying, Lindsay Graham. But he's saying exactly the same thing she would say. Exactly the same. What's the core assumption? That everything you saw at NBC News is true. The story that you were fed It was absolutely true. And it was a cop problem. Wasn't George Floyd. George Floyd had nothing to do with it. He was just like some random Black guy who got pulled off the street for being Black and executed. Thank God on camera, so the rest of us saw it, but for being Black. And this is endemic. In our society. It was happening. Every other Black person in America is just murdered by the cops. These damn white cops making $50,000 a year. They have all the power. Yeah. So that was his gut reaction. He bought the whole thing, and there he is lecturing cops. Really, the problem is we need better policing in this country.

Really? And of course, none of that turned out to be true. It was obvious to some of us on day one that this was BS. It was a manufactured crisis designed to affect broad social change. It was a revolution, and it was, and it did affect broad social change. Hundreds of thousands of Americans have died of crime or drug ODs ever since because of the so-called reforms that people like Lindsay Graham screamed about, breached about. He the other liberal white ladies, demanded that we reeducate the police because that's their fault. Imagine having that response. You know who else had that response? Nikki Haley had that response. Nikki Haley, also from South Carolina, also a craze neocon. First thing she said, the riots happening are good for America. We need to watch what's happening and feel the pain because we deserve it. It's our fault. Really? When a convicted armed robber tries to to pass a counterfeit bill at some convenience store and then dies of a fentanyl OD, it's our fault. Tell me how that works. But no one challenged her, no one challenged him. They immediately joined the chorus of the worst people in the world whose first instinct was to blame the people who did nothing wrong, in this case, the cops.

And the consequences were terrible for American society, and no one ever called them to account for it. Now, why did they do that? Partly because all the ladies in a certain income class, or many of them, have just the same gut reactions, and it's resentment toward men, and it's self-hatred, and it's guilt, and the desire to seem virtuous in public, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Books have been written about this, though not enough. But really, it has to affect. They don't care what happens to the United States because it's not really that relevant because that's not their goal. Their goal is to improve the United States, which is why they haven't, not even a little bit. Their goal is to be power players in global politics because it makes them feel strong, to kill people because you get a real electric charge from that, and to serve the interests of Israel. Oh, it's an anti-Semitic flirt. No, it's what they say out loud all the time. Here's Lindsay Graham. It's an amazing clip. I don't know I've even noticed this. Watch this. This is Lindsay Graham describing his personal travel schedule and how often he's in Israel.

Watch this.

Well, this is my fifth visit, I think, since October the seventh. I'm here for a reason to show support to you, my good friend, the elected leader of the State of Israel. I'm here also to take on, and I will talk about this tomorrow, a formal blood libel in 2024, that the State of Israel is using starvation as a weapon award.

It's like an infomercial. It's like a badly shot infomercial for prostate health cures or something, super beats. Like, stand there, well, doctor, someone tell you no. It's unbelievable. He is doing PR for a foreign country. Even Netanyahu, the Prime Minister of another country, not our country, another country, looks a little bit embarrassed. Who is this weird fauning guy? Is he going to touch my chest? I'm uncomfortable. You can feel that. But the whole point of Lindsay Graham being there, because he tells us it's the point, is to defend Israel from unfair criticism on the internet. Is that his job as a US Senator? To be unpaid, and we're guessing about the unpaid part, but I do sense he'd do it for free, to be a PR shill for a foreign Prime Minister, not even really the nation, another politician who's not an American, what the hell is going on? And then he just admits out loud This is my fifth trip to Israel since October seventh. Fifth trip. So this was in March. So that's five months after October seventh. This is in March of 2024. October. October seventh was 2023. So five months, five trips to Israel.

That's one trip to Israel a month. Is there any chance that Lindsay Graham has been in the state capital of South Carolina, Columbia, once a month during that time? No, there's no chance. In fact, he hasn't. By the way, Lindsay Graham was that same year in Ukraine more often than he was in Columbia, South Carolina. And what's he doing there this time? Well, he tells us he is there to refute the blood libel. It's not exactly what that is, but it's something to do with like anti-Semitism, or it means you hate the Jews, or you're defending the Holocaust, or something horrible. You're a Nazi, something like totally beyond the pale. The blood libel is that Israel is using starvation as a weapon of war. Now, who would say that? It does seem like a a tough criticism. Well, let's see. Who was really cabinet ministers? Smochers and Motrich and Ben Givir have both said that out loud. They're cabinet members in the current government, and they have said, yes, starve them out. Starve them out. Kill them. I mean, they're all the same. They're Palestinians. Their crime Is their genetics. Their blood is tainted. We have magic blood.

They have tainted blood. God loves us, hates them. When they die, it's just a virtuous thing because they're not human. There's no doubt always and everywhere that that thinking, thinking about other people in terms of the group into which they were born, rather than in terms of what they do, what they're like as individuals, that that thinking leads to mass killing genocide every single time. And not just in Germany in the '40s, though it did lead to genocide there, but also in the Ottoman Empire in 1918 and also in Rwanda in 1994, and actually throughout history. When people start thinking of of other people, not as people, but as components of some larger hole, whose value is determined by their blood, you will inevitably wind up killing all of them, if you can, because they're not really people. And you will also wind up saying out loud that it's okay to starve their children to death, as they have said, repeatedly. And not just some random guy in the comment section on the Jerusalem Post, but at least two current cabinet members of the current government. But Lindsay Graham is telling us that's a blood libel?

Why are you telling me that? I have Internet access. Why are you saying that? Because you're a liar, and nothing you say is true, except what you say about yourself. And that's that you love another country more than you love your own, and you love killing more than you love living. And that's enough to know. You can't be a leader in the party I vote for. I'm sorry. And so with that in mind, and we hope you agree with that. We're starting to say it, but this is not a very safe country. Walk through Oakland or Philadelphia. Yeah, good luck. So most people, when they think about this, want to carry a firearms, and a lot of us do. The problem is there can be massive consequences for that. Ask Kyle Rittenhouse. Kyle Rittenhouse got off in the end, but he was innocent from the first moment. It was obvious on video, and he was facing life in prison anyway. That's That's what the anti-gun movement will do. They'll throw you in prison for defending your sofa the firearms. That's why a lot of Americans are turning to Berna. It's a proudly American company. Berna makes self-defense launchers that hundreds of law enforcement departments trust.

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I've always liked Lindsay Graham, but I think he's is very obviously evil. If he is the face of the Republican Party, normal people can't support it, including me. It's so important to send a statement that we are not for killing of innocence or blood lust or whatever weird demonic trip Lindsay is on. I'm really praying for your victory. How did you decide? Let's just start at the end. How did you decide to run against Lindsay Graham?

Well, I'm originally MAGA. I go back to even H. Ross Perot days, and we'll get another a little bit about how I- So you supported Perot? Oh, it was Perot. Perot was my first vote for President. I came from a traditional ethnic Catholic family, working class. My parents were the first to go to college, first to actually speak English. My siblings were the first. My parents spoke Spanish and French at their households. But why am I running ultimately against Lindsay is for God family country. I don't think we have a choice at this This is about the future of the movement, whether MAGA, America First Lives or Dies. We have to start thinking post-Trump, and this is going to be the fight for the future of this country. I stand on the shoulder of giants. My family's tradition, coming here as immigrants, living the American dream, building, working for it, fighting for it, dying for it. I can't sit on the sidelines with all the gifts the Lord has given me at this point in time. I'm a dad of four, now to be five.

You have a fifth child on the-I do.

It's quite incredible. My wife is 22 weeks pregnant, and it's a blessing from God. This is what happens when two folks try to work from home.

Is that what happens? I wish I had five.

I meant to be. My wife's a famous ballerina. You can imagine she does her workouts at home and everything like that. But I've been very supportive of her business. I was working in the trenches, if you will, for the last five, seven years, really, with the Trump admin. I was the architect of Project 2025. Right now, I believe God has a plan for us all, and this is a calling, but it's also that I have the life experience. I cannot sit back and watch somebody like Lindsay Graham represent our state. I live God, family, country. When you live those values, that's how you can actually make them happen in Washington.

That's exactly right, because it's sincere, because you're defending your religious faith, your family, and your nation. It's not theoretical, it's not an ideology, it's not a personal fetish, which I think in his case it is. If I see one more homoerotic picture of Lindsay with Ukrainian soldiers, I don't know what I'm going to do. I'm not attacking him or attacking gaze or anything like that. But this is a one man sick fetish being imposed on a nation of 350 million, and I'm just sick of it. But it's one thing to oppose that. I'm not running against Lindsay Graham. How did you actually decide to put it on the line and start a Senate campaign?

Well, like I say, I was a Trump guy before Trump knew he was running. We can talk more about my family's bio because I feel that that informs so much of who I am. But I was hoping Trump ran in 2012. I'm one of these guys who was curious about the birthplace of a former president, if you will, which Trump was asking all those questions. I remember him going up to to New Hampshire here, and I thought he was going to announce. And famously, he called on for the birth certificate. But, Trump was a disruptor.

So you saw Trump even then in 2011, 2012, as a potential political leader.

Absolutely. My dad's My family came up from a cold water flat in New York City. And my grandparents built that city. They were Emma Grays. They were born in the US, but their parents weren't. And to see that city grow, my grandfather was at sea for 40 years as a merchant Marine, and my grandmother was an interpreter. She spoke eight languages in the city. But the malaise that happened in the 1970s, '70s that you never thought would change. And then it did change with Rudy Giuliani and Trump and this belief that we could rebuild in America. And so I knew of Trump long before that, just from hearing the stories from my grandparents about facing being mugged on the subway and how the city had slid down. And finally, people were digging out New York. And he's famous for the Wallman rink there. Yes. But it's emblematic of somebody who basically comes in and reorders the system and who is a strong man in a way as a mayor or somebody who can actually come in and get things done when bureaucrats are running around doing nothing. Exactly.

It's funny that you saw that so early. I didn't at all. And when Trump called me in 2015 to say he was running, I knew him, of course. I always liked him. But I said, that's why I laughed at him because I didn't get it at all, and I didn't take it seriously at all. I soon my views, but it's interesting that you saw it so early.

Well, like I say, we graduated. If we can go back to how I evolved as to be a Republican, my family My family dance in Spanish, his Gallego, and my grandparents were living down in a cold water flat. That means there's no hot water. This is a tenement that they tore down. They moved my family into housing projects. Ultimately, my dad was his only child, but you can think of it when it was just a Dukey house or a guy who was raised by his maternal grandmother because everyone was working. She was a cleaning lady. He made it to a military school, graduated College at 19, and then Columbia Medical School at 23. So he became a leading man in medicine. He was in the Berry Plan, which is the doctor's draft back in the '60s. They needed doctors for the military. So my dad was drafted into that and did his Vietnam service in the NIH. But this was at the time my grandfather was at sea, and this is when New York was really its top mercantile existence, where there were actually factories in New York City. He was later on on the Mermansk run, which is the famous convoys in the North Atlantic.

And grandpa was in the engine room, which this is If you want a definition of what a man is, because I know our culture struggles to define a woman, but you can imagine somebody like Popeye. I think my grandparents literally looked like Popeye in olive oil, but he literally had a tattoo on his forearm. But these were the people who were just brave and did it. He went to see in World War II, Nazi torpedo sunk in his boat. These guys, when they came home, the merchant Marines, these were hard scrabble people, they didn't even get veterans benefits. My family tradition is giving everything for this country and getting kicked in the teeth for it and then coming and loving it even more. Ultimately, they did give veterans benefits in 1989. I believe that Goldwater, Barry Goldwater, was one of the chief champions of this. My grandparents became Goldwater Conservatives. Really? That's how they evolved to be Reaganites. They were these hard hat outer borough New Yorkers who moved from slum tenements to public housing, and then ultimately to a little piece of the rock up in the Bronx. That's my dad's side of the family.

My mom Mom's side is even more, maybe not more patriotic, but the same crew that came from working class stock. They were French-Canadian immigrants. My grandfather was one of 22. That's, I guess, runs in our blood. But my mom was the youngest of eight in a town called Wunsocket. They worked in the textile-Wunsocket, Rhode Island. Wunsocket, Rhode Island. Textile mill workers, right? And these guys were the mechanical geniuses. Five of her brothers went off fought World War II. Their first language was French. So they actually went behind enemy lines. They cut the supply lines. They landed on D-day. And these were the simple guys who came back to the machine shops and stuff. Here here to only see the factory town move abroad in the 1990s.

It's the story of all New England. The French, the Arcadians coming down to staff the factories and then just getting marooned.

Yeah, it's the story of all over this country. We had moved around. Like I said, my dad was in the military. I know Lindsay's team likes to tag me as a New Englander, but I lived in Boston for all two months when I was a baby. But my dad was on orders from the military. So It's like he's a Vietnam vet, and we're a military family moving around. We moved to Colorado in the early '70s, and this was post-hippy Colorado. And dad wasn't quite a social justice warrior, but it was a little closer to Archie Bunker dynamic where they were questioning the Vietnam War. Dad had done his service, but there wasn't something sitting right about it. And ultimately, he stood up the first migrant health clinic because his first language was Spanish. As well as like, VD walk-in clinics. My dad revolutionized a lot of how medical care is given that we take for granted. In the old days, you only had a primary care physician We came east in the bicentennial year in 1976, and that was my wonder years. I think that's what really built the whole patriotic feeling because all I knew were these great quiet men and women who sacrificed for the country.

Living in the footsteps of Mount Vernon, we came east. That was a health policy fellow on the hill and got a taste of public policy. We got to go around Washington in the bicentennial year. My mom was a chemist. She and my father were introduced by the parish priest in 1966 in Washington. They were Kennedy-esque. They were the people who came to Washington and were not asking what their country could do for them, but what they could do for their country. So literally, I'm the spawn of two NIH scientists and very patriotic background. Back in those days, we used to sing patriotic songs in second grade and third grade and came up through that Dad ultimately got recruited to Johns Hopkins, where he stood up the first ethics and medicine course. So dad and mom, we were very faithful Catholic, and always going to church. I was an altar boy after all. But that's how we grew up, K through 12 public schools. My mom went and worked in the underprivileged schools in Baltimore, and I went to MIT. I was recruited to go to MIT. And there I encountered the first taste of globalism and what was happening and this struggle to hold on to your working class value roots and your family in the face of what they're telling you, a more global picture.

And that rubbed me the wrong way, and that's how I got to H-Rust.

You never fell for it at all.

No, I didn't. I think I was blessed with great parents. I really respected mom and dad. Ultimately, I think when you look at a politician, you should have a right to value that person. Say that person could be a role model. I struggle in life, but I was blessed with the right direction early on. I know a lot of people haven't been in those situations. No, that's right. To have to overcome things. I certainly overcame a lot in my childhood as well. But the grounding that you get and those values carry you for the rest of your life. I didn't fall for it. I saw my twin brother, identical twin, Tom, went to Brown. He's going to Brown at the same time I'm going at MIT. I'm hearing about this where they incubated cultural Marxism. My two sisters both went to Princeton. We were this family of nerds, that my dad was a professor, my mom was a public school teacher, and we were all about education, gifted and talented, always striving living. But we began to get this dosage of cultural Marxism. What was interesting, though, was we came up at the end of the Cold War period.

In public schools in Balmer County, they actually were teaching Russian, and my three siblings were Russian from probably a retired CIA agent. Oh, for sure. But they were the last off the production line of red-blooded Americans who could speak Russian. My parents had this just a great ability to inculcate us with values and arts. My mom was a pianist. She turned down the scholarship to Eastman School of Music to go to college at Trinity in Washington, the first of the full scholarship. I never fell for it. I felt quite the opposite. I pursued economics at MIT, and then ultimately a master in urban planning. That's where I became, if you will, a community organizer. Later on, knocked Obama was the community organiser-in-chief. But that's where they were training, also starting a lot of this Indigenous people work and questioning of American society from a social organizing point of view. But to backtrack to the economics, at MIT in early '90s was when they were putting up the theoretical basis for globalism. I remember MIT economics is probably the top in the world. That's where all the Nobelists hang their hat. My macroecon professor, Solo, was literally receiving the award that year in '91, I believe it was, or '90.

He was beginning to put the theoretical underpinnings for if we with the production out of the United States, but as long as the return to capital came back to United States citizens, we would be all set. What they never factored in is what they call the externalities. The externalities are the mom and pops and all the families that have built their entire life around this factory town that have all their equity in that house, that have their social- The idea was you could just move.

If you make it easy for capital to move, then human beings will move and you'll have a much more efficient system and you'll take out all the friction and everything will be great. Well, I'll be richer and happier. It was obvious immediately because Gary, Indiana had already happened. Detroit had already happened. Baltimore had already happened. The steel mill had closed in Baltimore. It's like you knew what would What happened if you took the manufacturing up because it had happened. They didn't care at all.

Well, I used to take the train up from Baltimore to MIT, and that's how I talked about seeing the passing scenery of these derelict factories. I'm the guy who's staring out the window the whole time, imagine going, What's happening here? And I'm knowing about my own family. My uncles, they fearlessly fought World War II. They came back and the mill closed and the mill moved. And now he's literally a maytag repairman. And the kids are getting into alcohol and drugs and this, and you can see it happening in real time.

It's just weird for circa 1990, anyone to be trying to expand the disaster that led to the pro campaign, ultimately led to two Trump presidencies. We knew, and I lived here, we're the same age. I remember very well thinking, Well, that doesn't work. If it worked, then what is the explanation for Gary Indiana?

Yeah. Well, the giant sucking sound from the south, when he put that in place, H. R. Ospero did, and basically talked about NAFTA and the fact of moving all these factories over the border, he He was prescient about it. To be sure, we were coming out of this peace dividend. Clinton had just come up to be President. We're talking about base closures and realignments. This is like, we had a great opportunity to make this the country of milk and honey. You have to back up and say, why are we not overflowing here? Why do we live in a society where people are literally knuckle dragging right now with fentanyl in Philadelphia and walking around? How could this be after we fought those wars and invested all that blood and treasure?

Yeah, I thought we won.

You would have thought, right? But the struggle, the fight never ends. And that's the point of why I'm running, that we need to... There's just so much shared sacrifice over 250 years from not only my ancestors, but pretty much everyone listening to this. They have a story, some root back longer. My wife's family came 300 years ago, and they were farmers in Eastern North Carolina and hard Scrabble life. You want to listen to the stories of my mother-in-law talk about the wall and the deprivation after the Civil War, even. But it's to forget all that in a generation or two is absurd. I have the ability now that I've worked on the front lines. I was a top attorney in Manhattan. I'm facing off with the progressives. Understand how they think. Then I went into government and was able to reinvent it in a way that now has allowed President Trump to come out as gangbusters. That's why I'm standing up.

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Well, I think it was that my parents were this push and pull with Reagan. I mean, to your credit, you guys saw Reagan early on, and my grandparents saw Reagan early on. I was John Anderson, if you will. If you want to really go back. In fourth grade, we had the We did our mock debates, and there was Reagan, and there was Carter, and I was John Anderson in that. To my neighborhood. No kidding. Yeah. I guess it was the independent streak was early on in me. It was really searching for the values that... I was never part of anyone's club. My dad was in academic medicine. We weren't wealthy, but we did well enough. But we were public schools, and I was a nerd, basically. I had glasses, I had headgear, if anybody remembers that. I had a tough time. I had dyslexia.

Headgear and dyslexia? Oh, yeah. I had it Can you explain, for those who are not 56, what headgear is?

Well, that was an orthodontic thing where-Yeah, you sure was.

It was also an esthetic thing.

Yeah. I mean, growing up in the '80s was a magical time, really. I wouldn't trade it for the world. I think there's a lot. I even talk about going back to the future now. But it was a little difficult junior high, but I was nurtured by my parents. I was a mass whiz.

Wait, not to linger, but on headgear? Yeah. For those who don't know, there were wires that went around the back of your neck on your teeth, right?

Oh, yeah. This was a passage of adolescence.

But it was pretty... It was extreme orthodontia. It was the orthodontic equivalent of the halo you get when you break your neck.

Yeah, it was not flattering, but at the same time-Makes a tough man, though, over time. Sure. I ultimately became an all-American lacrosse player. We We had this nurturing... I mean, the guys who ran our school system were the Korean War vets. So I really credit them in this Cold War, Baltimore upbringing, where they were like weak American teenagers. I remember my gym coach there in junior high talking about we had to do pushups and we had... It was like the showering and going out there and playing football and just stuff. Nowadays, people would be like, No, that doesn't work. But they would take wrestling and they'd be like, You and you, wrestle now in the center of the thing. That was what we were growing up with. But my principal there in public school was this quiet man in terms of humble, a war hero. He literally didn't have use of his arm, but he was Dr. Cato, would say, he saluted excellence. His entire thing was at Delaney, we do things just a little bit better. He'd get on the internet on on the intercom and basically salutes every time a student really excelled.

It was merit-based. It was all about excellence. It was always about pushing yourself just a little bit harder. That's what I came up with. That's the values I think that built our country, and we need them back.

Okay, but to be fair, to Lindsay, if you were to ask Lindsay what makes you qualified to be a senator, he would say, Well, fundamentally, not only I'm patriotic. I love this country. I'm from a patriotic family. I believe in the same values that founded this country. He would say the same. I think any politician would say the same, certainly in the Republican Party. But what is it about Lindsay that gives you the impression he's not telling the truth about that?

Well, look, he has a 32-year record. He's actually elected in 1994. Was he Class 94? Yeah. He had four full terms in the House, and now he's done four full terms in the Senate. Let's break down his record here. When he came to Washington, it was $5 trillion. Now it's $38 trillion. In debt. His entire time has been deficit spending without any regard for this debt. He also, he has marked with these endless wars everything he's supported from Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, you name it. He wants to invade it and bomb it. Then just this last couple of weeks, obviously, Venezuela and Iran before that. This notion of patriotism for him only runs towards kinetic fighting abroad. Then we have to ask, what is the purpose of that? Because every time we extend ourselves abroad, we are necessarily diminishing our ability to build this city on the hill back home. Well, yeah. He's never championed any these things. Here, I have this life experience where my parents were NIH scientists. Look, I was at my mother's deathbed when she died of cancer, breast cancer at 65. I'll never use the term death throws when you've actually seen your mom pass.

But why do we still have breast cancer? Why do we sell $300 billion to Ukraine? And likewise with my dad, great man in modern at Hopkins. I had to say goodbye to dad in the moon suit with COVID in February 2021. This is right after Trump left office. But the whole COVID thing was just so ridiculously foiced it on us. And we need to get to the bottom of that. But I walked in there on day three and they said, you could say goodbye to your dad for like 15 minutes. And then I go, well, he doesn't really have COVID. Could you test them? They refused to test them. They kept those tests didn't really work in after-fact. They told us all this transmissibility lies. But that ultimately expired on day seven. They're like, Well, you can use a laptop if you want to join him or whatever. I've suffered a lot of this personally, where I feel like we need that fire in the belly to get up there and use this perch in Congress, in the Senate, to really drill down on these people and get Americans' answers. What happened?

Do you see Lindsay as an effective voice in any of these issues, the ones that matter to Americans?

Not at all. No, I think he's quite the opposite. He's run interference for the deep state. I like to call him deep state Lindsay, because if you trace back, look, if Lindsay had his way, there never would have been a Trump. And we can't be gaslit to forget all this. He was the one of the most vociferous attackers on Trump. Early on, he said, Trump, it would be the worst nominee in the history of the Republican Party. If you want to make America great again, tell Donald Trump to go to hell. He voted for the CIA stooge, Evan McMuffin, Evan McMullen. He didn't even vote for Trump, guys. Then what happened was-He voted for Evan McMuffin?

Yes.

Did he admit that? Yes, he probably admitted it. This This is a guy who is never...

I think Evan McMuffin was literally connected to the CIA, and Mindy Finn or whoever that hippie woman he ran was same.

We can't forget history. We shouldn't forget COVID. We can't forget 9/11, but you can't forget what Lindsay Graham has been about. He did not change his stripes. This guy is a vehement, shapeshifting anti-trumper. In '17, when we had both houses of Congress and the presidency, and remember, the seminal promise was to build the wall, what did this guy I do. He went and reinforced that bogus narrative that the Russians had hacked the election. He literally had subcommittee hearings where he said, The purpose of this hearing is to reinforce that the Russians had interfered with the election. That had the point of carrying water for the Democrats to delegitimize Trump. Instead of building a wall, which now fast forward 10 years later, there's 20 million invaders in this country. This is how this guy used his in Congress to actually delegitimize it, to basically support Ray. He voted for Ray. He voted for Komi. When the President threatened to fire Mueller, he threatened the President. Every option that he ever had to do any oversight on this spying mechanism, deep state, he always abstained. Even you see a great thing where he was chairman of the Judiciary Committee in '19 and '20, and Maria Bartaroma was asking repeatedly, When are you going to issue subpoenas?

When are you going to get to the bottom of this? He said, I will send a strongly worded letter when They're wrapped on their investigation. It never happened. And this is a guy who's basically running interference for the other side.

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Well, I think When he tried to stop Trump the first time, and then he was beholden to John McCain, when John McCain died, that's when he flipped and he changed tactics. It was like he was going to literally grab his golf bag and try to cozy up to the President. He saw 2020 coming. Look, the whole state hates Lindsay. I mean, he's been booed in his own hometown for six minutes straight. He won't get on the stage with President Trump because he knows he'll face this booing. They literally turned their backs on him. But he knew that everyone in South Carolina was rabid Trump, and that was going to be the only way for him to reinvent himself.

But at the same point- How does he keep getting reelected?

Well, in 2020, I I think it was a fluke. I think it was under cover of COVID. The point was that there was no viable challenger. There is a machine in South Carolina, and I'm running against the machine. I've never been part of anyone's club, and that probably goes back to the headgear and the glasses. But I'm an outsider, and I attack. But there is serious money involved.

Again, you have to be willing. Are you saying that the donors like Lindsay? Well, do they play a role in this?

Yes. I mean, it's incredible that I'm here to wrestle this Senate seat back to the people of South Carolina.

So the donors shouldn't be totally in charge of the country. Is that what you're saying?

That's my proposition. Look, it's extraordinary that he got reelected in '20. In short order, he was turning his back right on Trump. He famously, on January sixth, he He incredibly said to the Capitol police, We gave you guns. Why didn't you shoot more of those people in the head? This is a guy who not with them- He gave you guns.

Why didn't you shoot more people? I'm really trying not to be vicious or use slurs against Lindsay Graham. He certainly used them against me. But I want to be Christian. I don't want to do that. But boy, it's tempting when you hear that because that is so evil. Why didn't you shoot? These are Americans.

These are americans. These are protester. They're exercising their first amendment rights.

They're also the most decent people in the country. They're like toting their little pocket constitutions. They believe in our system. They believe in the order that our founders created. And Lindsay Graham doesn't and doesn't care. And he's calling for their murder?

That's unbelievable to me. He's always calling for violence. It's almost a bizarre... It's killing at the top of his mind. He is.

He just did this, I think. I don't know if it was violence against me. I know he was attacking me. That's not why I'm doing this. I don't care what he thinks of me, but I just... He was calling for... Wasn't he calling for violence this past weekend?

Yeah, he was speaking... It's actually a disqualifying speech. If you look at it, it's so unbecoming of the United States center or I think it's one for the books. But he got up there in Las Vegas, the Republican Jewish Coalition, and he definitely seemed to be under the influence of something.

But he's drunk all the time. It seems to me, I have noticed that. Look, I'm I'm not calling him an alcoholic. I'm just saying as an alcoholic myself who's recovered, I would say every time I see him, he's drunk. So there's something.

Well, he was feeling his Oats, and he got up there and literally said to the audience who were Jewish in the main, and I think that this is a great slander in terms of characterizing your caricatur in your audience. He said about the administration, We are killing all the all the right people, and we're cutting your taxes.

Killing all the right people. When you find yourself... I mean, he's 70 years old. He's going to have to face the consequences of this at some point, the eternal consequences. If you're bragging about killing people.

Well, I think there is a sixth commandment against such a thing, the instruction from our Lord many millennia ago. But let's break that down to his constituent parts as an attorney. If I were taking a deposition of him under oath, I'd say, let's break this sentence down. Okay, we are killing. Who is the we in this? Okay, are we talking now about the United States government? Are we talking about the Ukrainians? Are we talking about the government of Israel? Who is we? And then killing. It's like, okay, well, are we talking about bombing people or how exactly are we killing them off? It doesn't matter. Then all the right people. Then you say to yourself, well, All the right people. You mean people on the right? Well, Charlie Kirk was just killed. Can you have a little bit of space from the man's actual wake before you're intoning violence? Then he turns in the next sentence to actually threaten violence against the right. Now, this is a guy who just said, shoot people in the head on J6, is now saying, if someone stands for office and critiques Israel, we're going to beat their brains in.

He said that? Yes. He said, Beat their brains in. And then he later on used-We're going to gaza them. Well, he said, cream them as well, which is an unfortunate turn of phrase for him. But, beat their brains in. And it's just like, who are you talking about?

Why would you talk about- He's talking about hurting Americans, killing Americans on behalf of another country of foreign power. Okay. So I don't even know what to say to that. If you're not appalled by that, go ahead and vote for him.

But where's your conscience? He's celebrating this whole rant. It's extraordinary thinking. I guess you haven't seen it, but then he goes on to- I have not seen it. Look, President Trump, we're all out of bombs. We didn't even run out of bombs in World War II. It's like China, if you're listening, you sitting United States Senator just told you that we were all out of bombs. We know that we can't restock all those shoulder fire missiles that they take 7 to 10 years to build, that we have no industrial base. But he's literally bragging about the fact that all of our munitions have been passed to defend this Eastern border of Ukraine. For what?

None of this benefited America. Nothing of this had anything to do with America. It's absurd. We were invaded while he was in the Senate.

He said nothing. It's benefited some people in America. If you happen to own defense industrial stocks and-Is he gotten rich in the Senate?

I haven't even checked.

Well, who knows? It's a good question to ask, though.

But It doesn't matter. He's 70 with no kids. So why does he care?

Well, I think that the point is that he has been supported. This Senate seat is wholly owned by a foreign interest or defense industrial components, and it's so far removed. The people of South Carolina are a mere imposition, really, the voters. It's like, We will deal with you once every six years. We will gaslight you. I'll get a couple of photos of me behind President Trump and just move along. But meanwhile, South Carolina is 50 out of 50 in roads. People die on our secondary roads. The actual infrastructure is 30 years behind, which roughly maps the time this guy has been in Washington. He's never brought the bacon home. Unless you think of home as Ukraine or some foreign interest. But certainly, South Carolina, you go off the main highways, which, by the way, if anyone's driven through on on the 95 or on the 20 or the 26, they're two-lane death traps. They've never been expanded. Now they're beginning to be expanded. But people's roofs are falling in. Rural America is decaying The industry moved out, and this is what we get. We get a senator who's obsessed with foreign war. I think it's half of one % of the South Carolina population is Jewish.

So, yes, I reaffirmed the right for Israel to exist, and certainly always defending the Jewish people in the wake of the Holocaust, particularly. But I don't derive my foreign policy views based on my theological understanding of the Bible. I'm America first guy. This is the country my family fought for, worked for, died for, and everyone else did. So this frame that a US Senator would spend three days Washington and then run off to Kyiv or Kyiv, as we used to call it, and hold hands with a foreign dictator who suspended elections, who's imprisoned the opposition, who's shut down the press.

What about a weirdly hot foreign dictator in a tight-fitting military uniform or a tracksuit? I'm just saying they're mitigating circumstances here. A young Fidel or like, Che in the Sierra Madre, 1958, cigar clenched resolutely in his teeth. There is a appeal there.

Well, maybe that's the Venezuela thing I can be explained that way. There's a little bit of the Latin, Ruby Rosa.

I actually said to myself, Don't be a jerk during this interview. But of course, I have no self-content.

Well, look, I mean, his his sexuality is his own thing. But if it's based on his psychosexual urge for violence. That's a problem.

Let's just be... Let's stop lying. Okay, I'm not being mean. This is a very recognizable phenomenon that has reoccurred throughout history, and it is tied up in your personal life, and I'm not even talking about his sexuality. I mean, the way that you live reflects your values, and it affects your opinions on everything. If you have children and grandchildren, you have, by definition, a vested interest in stability and peace. You're instinctively opposed to violence. You lie awake as the head of household thinking, If there's a home invasion, what do I do? That's how your brain works.

Absolutely.

If you don't have that, and if you're about Grinder or whatever was going here, then you've got a completely different set of values. It's just a fact. I'm sorry, that's true.

Well, look, I mean, Steve Whitkoff, who has helped to make the piece there, that's an unstable piece, but made a piece. He tells in his 60 Minutes piece how he first found common ground with his adversary on the other side, was saying, We belong to an unfortunate club where both of our sons have predeceased us. It's like, he found common ground as a dad.

But look, I Can you say of Steve Wykow, who I know well? Yeah. If you watch Steve Wykow's relationship with his two surviving sons, you see where Steve Wykow's instincts come from. He's very close to his boys, and one of whom I know well is a genuinely great guy. He reveres his dad. The dad loves the son. That's the goal. Wykow looks at the world that way. It's like, I have grandchildren. I want to continue the good things in this world. I don't want to blow it up tomorrow.

A hundred %.

It matters.

This is what we need in the statesman. We need somebody. Look, I live these values. I have a family. I have a stake in the future. I've lived a life. I've lived with a woman. We've suffered. We've survived. We've thrived. And that life experience, watching my mom die in front of me, going in with the moon suit with my dad, seeing the setbacks my grandparents felt only to see them to ultimately succeed. These are things every day I walk in the office on the shoulders of them, but I carry that weight, this shared sacrifice. And when you go abroad and you're with a culture that has maybe nothing to do with us, I'm not looking to convert them. I'm looking to find a little bit of humanity, common ground. Yes. That's where you say, Look, parents love their children, okay, in all cultures. That's an immediate thing where you can have some respect for life. Look, he is the worst, Lindsay Graham is the worst emissary or real avatar for any of these values, whether it be peace and the United States values or what he's doing now with engendering, I think, anti-Semitism. He's actually making this stuff worse.

Well, that's for sure. All these advocates, advocates for Israel, I mean, from Bibi to Ted Cruz to Lindsay, they're all making people hate Israel. I mean, that is a fact. As someone who's never hated it, speaking for myself, I've never hated Israel. I vacated there. But these people are changing in their advocacy, rabbi Butt Plug, all of them, they're all making people dislike Israel, big time.

Well, I mean, his speech-How is this helping? His speech It's shameful, and it should be repudiated to call for violence the way he did against the right, a sitting United States Senator in the wake of Charlie Kirk. The President should distance himself from those remarks. But here, again, he intrudes into women's health. If there was ever one cohort in the United States who should sit this one out, it's a 70-year-old warmonger who's never shared a life, as we can tell, with a woman. It's like he does more damage than good. With respect to those issues for life, it's like being pro-life means also not killing people. I mean, to borrow a little bit from the Pope. But having a sensitivity towards that as well.

Well, why? Because we think human beings are the most valuable thing God created. That's what we believe. And if you don't believe that, you shouldn't be in charge of human beings, right?

Well, we're committed. We are created in God's image. So every time... Look, one of the great One of the things my parents did was name me after Saint Paul. I'm always trying to walk in his way, the instructions. What a man. But that we learned to have a mutual respect for our common man, to look at the beauty. If you look at a person, you say, Look, you're creating... There's something amazing about you. It may not be evident on the surface, but I know that there's something. You may have had a troubled life, but you can always improve. To be able to have that fundamental respect. I come from a long line of janitors and chambermaids, and people did the dirty jobs. I never feel like I'm superior to them. I think that that's really the mark of liberalism, progressive government, is that there's a small group of us who know better than the rest of the world.

How does it their lives? That's some dumb credential from a credential factory. Exactly. Now, I couldn't agree more. There's a real lack of nobility among people like that. With Lindsay Graham, a true lack of nobility. That's fine. He's going to have to answer for that. But to have him in a position of leadership, particularly in a party that I voted for, don't have much option, actually.

This is not acceptable. Look, Look, this is a post-Trump election. This Senate term is six years. President Trump, the 2028 trolling stuff is funny, but he's out of office in two years after this election. That's correct. He'll be a lame duck President the day after the election, cementing his legacy. Where does this movement go? All of us who fought in the early trenches, look, that this whole thing could just be sucked right back into the swamp with this shapeshifting establishment, really neocon, deep state guy who's managed to somehow pull in Trump a little bit, or at least the inner circle around Trump.

Do you think it's weird? I'm sorry to jump around, but I'm just thinking about you reminded us all that Lindsay said after January sixth, we gave you guns, shoot them all. Of course, none of the processors had guns, not a single gun, no guns, except for the 200 and something the undercover FBI agents, all of whom aren't. But no actual protester had a gun. Lindsay Graham only speaks in martial language. Kill them, crush them, bomb them. He's a tough guy, right? He's like some reservist or some fake rank in the military and whatever. But he's terrified, terrified on January sixth. He's afraid of unarmed protesters, half of whom are over 60 and have diabetes and bad knees. And he's terrified. He cowered. I mean, I talk to people, his fellow senators who were there. He was scared shitless. What is that? Well, the guy who's always calling for violence against other people is a physical coward?

I think he knows that 2020 was infirm. It was this rigged and stolen election, and he did nothing really for it. He did a lot of pretense, the famous call. Look, I was there. Okay, what Paul Danz has is battle scars from every major MAGA battle. I was there in '16 in Pennsylvania, in Moon Township, when everyone had walked away from the President, they thought he was going to lose. And we pulled out the win there. We brought Pennsylvania over the win column, doubled the vote there and the good people in Allegheny County. And I was there in '20. I went down to Georgia. At the time, I was Chief of Staff at Office of Personal Management. We should talk a little bit about how Project 2025 came to be and how I got to serve in the Trump admin. But I had been there, again, in Allegheny County for the day on election day. We had been saying, those of us in the admin, I think we got this as long as they don't steal it from us and thinking that the RNC and the Trump campaign would have taken corrective, protective measures. Well, I was in the White House that evening and in PPO, it's a presidential office of personnel, and we were getting excited for a period of time there.

It seemed like we were going to pull this out. They actually turned the volume off of the TV and put on some music. Then ultimately, everything slowed down. It was clear that something was totally awry. Ultimately, two days later, I would go on on paid leave, leave my group. I basically ran this agency called Office of Personal Management and go down and use my work as an attorney to help out. But I got down to Georgia on the Friday morning, Thursday night was where they famously started counting ballots in Fulton County in the middle of the night. I decided to take my car from DC and just start driving. I'd see my wife in South Carolina and the kids and pick up some clothes and just get there. I got there by 9: 00 in the morning. I kicked myself for not flying because who would have known that they were counting ballots? But the bottom line is we were overrun. They had nothing in place. They knew this was coming. If When you dug in a little bit, you could tell that it was almost an inside job. Ray Fisberger, the Secretary of State, there's something odd with that dude, and the guy Gabe Sterling, there's something really off But they had to be sure said this was the cleanest election they had fought before they had finished counting the ballots.

The Secretary of State of Georgia was adverse to the President. Nonetheless, we got down there. There was no infrastructure infrastructure in place. The President didn't even have a law firm retained. There was no national law firm. This was the whole thing. There was a debacle, but I seen it with my own eyes. I stood up there. People knew what happened in that Buckhead, it's called. That's where the GOP headquarters were. All eyes in the whole world had turned to Buckhead, this one office building where I was. We didn't even have a desk. There wasn't even a law firm. I went out and bought myself a computer, sat down there, and it's Saturday of the election. Both Senate seats are now underwater. So the US Senate's in the balance as well. Finally, we're beginning to get some ground control where people are now, reinforcements are coming up from Florida, the lawyers, and we can get some command and control. I have to go out and get lunch with a guy at Pizza. I come back and the office is dark. It's just everyone left. It's like, wait a second. We're in the middle When you have a presidential election.

The thing's obviously rigged and stolen. You think people are working 24 hours? I worked in these big law firms in New York. I worked 18-hour days. We were just humming the whole time. Where was everybody? The office lights are off. They were at the George to football game. Go dogs.

There wasn't a gut level commitment to the cause, it sounds like.

No, people had left, and it was like, What is going on here? I reached out to Johnny Mac at at the White House. I said, We need a field general down here. Get me Doug Collins. Get him on and ask the President to put Doug in. Sure enough, the next day, people had snapped, too. They had gotten the word at the White House and everyone had walked out. The idea was, We're going to take a breather. I think the word had come down from the RNC headquarters to cut bait on the President in sometime mid-Saturday morning. They had the famously Trump victory had shifted into Senate victory, and they cut Trump off. He thinks people are fighting all around the country. No, I remember. Meanwhile, people are walking out on him in real time.

There's a reason he hired Rudy Giuliani because there was no one else left.

Yeah. I mean, Paul Danz is standing in the balance, and that's where I'm like, What is going on here? That Sunday morning, finally, people began to come in, and I liken it to almost like when Christ was crucified, and who were the people who came first, who, without fear, were the women. That's where I met MTG for the first time. Marjorie Taylor-Greene on the Sunday morning in Buckhead. She could have been up in Washington. She had just won. She could be measuring her drapes and everything. That woman wanted to get to the bottom of what was happening on Tuesday. That's what she's like. It was her. It was Clita. It was Jenny Beth Martin. These were the people standing up, and we had no infrastructure in place. It was basically they had cut bait on the president. I've been there when everybody gave up on that.

What was Lindsay doing at this point?

He was making feckless phone calls or something. He ultimately had this famous phone call with Raphisberger, which if you had actually been a lawyer, you'd be like, that's the last person you should be getting on the phone call, telling the President to get on the phone with because that guy's adverse to us. Yes, they're going to tape you. They're going to try to set you up. Don't you understand what went down here? So it was almost extraordinary that he could pantomime that he was doing something on election integrity.

But he was undermining Trump.

Yes. Ultimately, he was leading. I think that this man's MO is when he couldn't frontally attack Trump, he said, I'm going to infiltrate Trump, and then I'm going to walk him in down the path of danger and like, Hey, Mr. President, why don't you call up the Secretary of State and see if he can find some votes? That's a great idea, sir. Why don't you do that? And it's like a set up almost. But for anybody with their head screwed on, it was asking for trouble. And of course, then J6 precipitated after that. And so by the end of the term there, everybody walked away from the man. And I was there January 20th at Joint Base Andrews to see President Trump off.

So I have got... I just want to replay what he said or just say it out loud. After January sixth, Lindsay just absolutely abandoned Trump immediately. Yeah, he blamed it. He said it'll be a major part of the presidency. It was Trump's fault. What happened on January sixth. Of course, now we know with 230 FBI agents in the crowd, maybe it's not that simple. But we don't know that because Lindsay pointed that out. I mean, Lindsay could have at any point tried to get to the bottom of how many federal agents were in the crowd on January sixth. Everyone knew that was happening. I said it, probably got fired for it, among other things. But it was just obvious from the very beginning that this was a set up.

No, he gave his famous undone speech. The first part of that speech is interesting because he knocks South Carolina. He likes to first start out by saying, My state often the cause of the problem. So first he throws South Carolina under the bus, and then he basically says he's done with Trump. And the meanwhile, those of us are in the engine room, like my grandfather, trying to keep this ship going, MAGA, keep the US government running. We're in full peak COVID. And like I say, to have this guy now got full six years in the Senate, got everyone to say, vote for him. I mean, I had my neighbors coming up to me and saying, Paul, should we vote for Lindsay Graham? Can you really do that? I mean, that's a heinous decision. When you go into the ballot box in 2020 and you look at the Republican line and it's Lindsay Graham and you're a Republican. And that's why I'm never going to let that happen to me No, no, no, please, please. That's why I'm standing up.

Because it's just all fake. Okay, so this is my last series of questions, which is, I asked around before this interview because I'm not a political expert despite being around it my whole life. I don't really understand it that well. I don't understand how Lindsay Graham could have a shot at re-election. I called around, Oh, no. Lindsay's in good shape. I think it's to measure how much money he has. People assume the more money you have, the more likely you are to win. That's not true, as Jeb Bush. But But he does have institutional support. There are office holders in South Carolina who are endorsing him, right?

Well, not that many. Look, we are going to do this. I want to make clear to people, we announced in August, one or July 30th, and our numbers have already doubled. Ultimately, yes, we need to get the financial backing to get people, your listeners, to get behind this.

You have a year, so we're taping this the first Tuesday in November.

So you've got- June June ninth, 2026 is Liberation Day for South Carolina.

June ninth is the primary. Primary.

And we are moving up on this guy. If the election were held tomorrow, we'd be in a runoff. South Carolina, if you get less than 50%, it's an automatic runoff state. There's a reason why President Trump is doing his first fundraiser for Lindsay Graham, notwithstanding the fact that this man has 15 million in the bank.

Where in South Carolina is that fundraiser? Correct.

It's in Florida, interestingly, yes. They're going to do it on a golf course in Florida away from the actual South Carolindians. Look, we need support, I'll be frank, but I think people bemoan the money that Lindsay has. I know that I've had confidential discussions with people saying that various interest groups are ready to come in for this guy to the tune of tens of millions of dollars. Whatever it takes. Whatever it takes. But I think I was thinking about the parable of the three servants, really, and that you need, as Christians, we need to invest our money in people who are going to fight for our values. And that's where I'd ask folks out here listening, is like, invest in our campaign. Get behind us. Our message is really clicking with both the youth, the under 30 people who... They need to own a part of America. Not only do we need to end these endless wars, which I'll do right away, but make this life, this American dream affordable again for this generation to come. Let them dream of having a family and actually be able to do it. And then, like I said, get to the bottom of J6, get to the bottom of COVID, get to the bottom of the Russia hoax, get to the bottom of 2020.

Let's actually get accountability in government from a guy who stood at Project 2025. I changed the world through that. That as the architect of Project 2025.

Yes, and just stop the humiliating. Humiliation. South Carolina is one of the best states that we have. People move there. I have family to move there. People just like South Carolina. It's great, pretty well run, pretty reasonable, beautiful, of course. The Republican primary is the election. A Republican is going to have that sentence seat. We know that. So it should be a great Republican. It shouldn't be the worst Republican, probably second worst after Ted Cruz, because at least Lindsay is charming. But the best date shouldn't have the worst senator. This is a humiliation exercise meant to demoralize the rest of us. I really think that.

Well, if you want to honor Charlie Kirk's memory, this is the best way to do it. Charlie was in South Carolina three weeks before he was killed, saying exactly that. He said, South Carolina, you need a new senator. And He said that turning point action was going to be on the tip of the spirit of turning out rhino senators and Lindsay Graham.

Well, I talked about this topic quite a bit, right before he died. Yes. I hope that people will get behind campaign because I think it's important. You're obviously much more qualified and much closer to the spirit of most Americans. But it's also just so important to stop this, just to say no. If you don't stop people like Lindsay Graham, and he can go be on the board of Raytheon and go to bathhouses across Eastern Europe, whatever his future might hold, probably a lot more fun than serving in the Senate, and get sober. My gosh. But If you don't stop this, if you just allow the guy to get reelected to the Senate at 71 years old with an anti-American platform, that's a sign to everybody else that, Oh, yeah, you can just piss on America. There's nothing that people can do about it. There's no change as possible.

This is the barometer for whether America lives or dies.

I totally agree with that.

This is really... Look, I built Project 2025. If you like what President Trump's done in these first nine months, it's because I organized a couple of thousand volunteers under the auspices of the Heritage Foundation, brought together 110 member coalition of the right, and basically made these building blocks, these prefabricated policy and personnel to go in and hit the ground running. That's why he came out gangbusters. It allowed him to get this head of steam going and get world peace. This is why he's a world beater, because we actually prepared. I'm the one who was able to use this platform platform and take my MIT training. I was trained as a city planner in the vision of Daniel Burnham, who's the famous architect who did Union Station. It was this notion of we need to make no little plans. We are saving this Republic. They lack the magic to stir men's hearts. We have to give them a bold vision. And that's what Project 2025 was. It allowed the President, and now we know so much of what he's doing is coming right out of that book.

For sure, though no one wants to admit it. Yeah. Final question, how can people who support the program you just described and think that it's so essential to stop this insanity before we have World War VI, how can they support your campaign?

Look, get to pauldance. Com. We obviously love you to invest in the campaign. Support us. If it's $20 a month, if it's 100 or everyone, get behind this. This is the time you need to invest in your country. Lindsay is not a South Carolina problem. He's an American problem. Definitely. And all of us have to drive him out. There's good patriots all over the country. They know what Paul Danz did to build Project 2025, and they know that that is why so much of what Trump's doing right now is coming directly from our work. Two, get behind us on the media. If you can afford it, push out our message. It Share it on Facebook, share it on X, and prayers. Finally, three prayers will take prayers. But this is all within our reach. This is going to happen. I believe you. We have a welling up of support, particularly the youth. They really need a future. So many people can't even envision getting out of their garden or apartment or being able to own anything, let alone get married and have a family. That's an elemental American dream, and that we are sending our kids forward into this is outrageous.

I have to stand up in this moment of time. Look, I'm leaving five kids on this Earth one day, and they need the future that was their birthright. And that everyone who laid down and gave that ultimate sacrifice, whether they died on the battlefield or they died building something, or they just labored as an anonymous woman, they deserve a future in this country. That's what we have to pass on to the kids.

Do you have any billion Are oligarchs backing you?

Well, hopefully, a few of them are listening to this show. But look, I would say- Because Lindsay has that.

That's one thing he's got.

Look, what Lindsay did- If you made a fortune, I don't know, on debt, putting people into slavery or hooking them on gambling or something, you're definitely using your billions to support Lindsay Graham. Well, look, this man got us a $38 trillion breaking point. This country is in fiscal dire straits. If we collapse, the whole world goes down with us. All these foreign adventures that this man has led us on in the 32 years of his endless war cheerleading and the deficit spending, those are coming home to roost. Life is tough out there, notwithstanding what some people in the White House are saying, it's expensive. Things have not... I go to the grocery store every day. I I fill up. And if it's shocking me, what's it doing to the people from paycheck to paycheck? And we have to get real. Like today's election day, let's see what happens tonight because the kids and the generation, they're moving left because the left is actually talking about real pocketbook issues. The promise here with Trump was to return the government to the people, and it's time is burning. We need not only action at the Justice Department and answers and actually doing things, but we need to actually stop spending money on these follies abroad and start building America.

Amen. Let's get the country of milk and honey flowing here.

You got my vote.

Thank you, Tucker. Personally.

I appreciate it. Paul Dance, thank you very much.

My pleasure. Thank you, Tucker. I appreciate it.

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